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Double jeopardy
Just thought I'd let you know I tweaked a change you made on the Double jeopardy article. You added a sentence mentioning res judicata. I changed it so that it talks about collateral estoppel. IANAL, but as I understand it, the two are similiar but not the same. I always thought that res judicata applies to decision of law made by a judge, while collateral estoppel applies to judgements of fact made by a jury. If that is the case, then collateral estoppel applies, not res judicata. [***] →Raul654 06:11, Jan 30, 2004 (UTC)

 * The three concepts have nothing to do with whether a judge or a jury made the decision--the effect is binding regardless as long as the judgment is final (the different degree of deference a judge or jury decision may receive under appeal is not relevant here). True, juries are typically the factfinders, but not always.  Civil trials can be had under judge or jury (not all states guarantee the right, and the right in federal court only applies to cases at law, not in equity), and in the US, even a criminal defendant can always waive his right to a jury trial and be tried by a judge instead, and double jeopardy will apply the same.

 * Res judicata (L. "a thing adjudicated") includes both claim preclusion and collateral estoppel, or issue preclusion. Issue preclusion applies to whatever factual issues were necessarily resolved with the final judgment of a claim.  You can have res judicata without collateral estoppel--when a judgment for the defendant could have been based on the failure to prove any or all of multiple elements, so that it is uncertain what issues were actually decided--but not the reverse.  --Postdlf 30 Jan 2004, 3:22 am (EST)

 * Ok, thanks for clearing that up. →Raul654 09:07, Jan 30, 2004 (UTC)

I think it could be slightly edited to provide more clarity on when jeopardy attaches in U.S. law (particularly with regards to the dismissal -- with prejudice, without prejudice?). I don't know if you'd be interested in this. --Daniel C. Boyer 15:47, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * Someone with a little more knowledge of criminal law than I have will have to tackle that, at least for right now. But the whole meaning of prejudice, in a civil context (and I assume criminal is the same) means that the same claim can't be refiled against that defendant.  Without prejudice means it can be refiled.  In the federal civil court system, prejudice attaches, for example, after the second time the plaintiff has himself withdrawn the same claim, preventing him from refiling it a third time.  A dismissal with prejudice acts as if the claim had been adjudicated in favor of the defendant (and so double jeopardy would follow), I just can't speak to the details of when exactly a judge would attach prejudice in a criminal context--that would likely be a matter of state and local law anyway.  --Postdlf  18:19 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Capitalizing animal common names
Hi, welcome to Wikipedia. I hope you enjoy your stay. Re: capitalisation of species names... there is a long history behind the decision to capitalise species names.. if you are interested in hearing all the reasons behind the decision give me a shout and I'll dig 'em out. Til then best not to change articles on an ad hoc basis - often, like Orca they part of a whole series of articles and it'd be nice to have the capitalization the same across all of the them. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 15:27, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

 * I assume you mean that there are wikipedia-specific reasons. I suppose I would like to know why animal names are being capitalized like proper nouns when they are common nouns.  If there is inconsistency among the articles, it should be resolved in a grammatically correct manner.  Thanks!  --Postdlf  5:07, 2 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * See Naming conventions (capitalization) and Naming conventions (fauna). --mav 03:57, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

RESPONSE: I'll respect that convention if it is accepted on wikipedia--I don't wish to disregard established custom. I agree that it would avoid ambiguity with those particular species names that begin with common adjectives. However, the cons are that it's contrary to established english grammatical rules for capitalizing nouns, and I don't see it being used consistently at all from entry to entry. Do we then capitalize every occurrence and form of the common species name Human as well? --Postdlf 1:49, 3 Jan 2004 (EST)

 * Re your con: Actually it is common to find species names capitalized in books (and I include popular books as well as academic tomes in this). For example I have used the National Audobon Society Guide to Marine Mammals of the World and Mark Carwardine's Whales, Dolphins and Porpoises as sources for many of my cetacean articles - they always capitalize species names. In works specifically telling you about the animal the name is capitalized. This is not just a Wikipedia convention - there are manuals of style that confirm. However you are right in that more general articles are unlikely to use capitalized forms for common animal names. Thus we wouldn't expect to write "XYZ was famouse for owning Dogs" in article about person XYZ. This is also consistent with other established norms of writing. Thus we have the hybrid situation of capitalisation on rather scientific articles and no capitialisation on more general articles. This is perhaps not ideal but I see no way of having and enforcing a global policy. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 22:50, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

 * I guess that sounds reasonable, and I did not know that it is a convention in use elsewhere. You don't have to worry about me lurking through the site and maliciously de-capitalizing every animal name I find (as much as I may be tempted...).  --Postdlf  3:11, 5 Jan 2004 (EST)

Hi, just stubbled across this. Genus should be caps, species not. 1 exception, plants named in honor of a person, e.g. Livingstonii, or as a real example Encephalartos Woodii. signed, me. [editor's note: not Postdlf]
 * I think you are talking about the scientific name, over which there which there is no dispute. The discussion here is about the common name. I am not sure if the anonymous user and postdlf are the same person as you have both signed 'me'! Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 06:47, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

 * I figured that using "me" on my own talk page would be clear--I didn't count on anonymous imitators! I've changed the "me"s that are actually me to my nick.  --Postdlf  3:12, 5 Jan 2004 (EST)

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Treaty
Re: Treaties. What I was getting at is that the treaty power allows the federal government to legislate in areas that it would normally be unable to do so under the division of power between the Federal government and the states.

Yes the Federal government can't use the treaty power to get around the explicit constitutional limits on the powers of the Federal government, but it can use the treaty power to exercise powers beyond those delegated to Congress in Article I.

The relevant case is is Missouri v. Holland 252 US 346 (1920). -- User:Roadrunner

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Re: various chameleons : Thanks for including the taxonomies. Eventually I'll be doing each species for the genus... Rhymeless 04:10, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

MediaWiki:VfD-Daniel C. Boyer
Thank you for your insightful comments at Template:VfD-Daniel_C_Boyer. UninvitedCompany 15:46, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for noticing my thoughts on the VFD page...I think there's a principle at play here that Mr. Boyer is missing. Please help me keep an eye on him, and take a look at the last couple edits on International Union of Mail Artists—full explanation now on the talk page.  Postdlf  16:28 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I keep an eye on his contributions when things get slow, as he has added all manner of dubious material. Surrealism is another of his babies and is a frightful mess, and a look in any print encyclopedia, art survey, or book on surrealism will tell a very different story than our article does. I checked all the references at a regional library once for confirmation. His article has a revisionist POV held by a small school of thought: that surrealism is a dynamic movement continuing yet today; that surrealism is not a mere style, movement, period, or form (etc) of art but rather A Separate Entity In Its Own Right; that there is important, influential, highly regarded work being done in surrealism in the United States right now. Real world is that the surrealism movement in art and culture was largely over when abstract art took center stage in the 1960s.

But there's no point in trying to reason with Boyer, because he'll spout all manner of references that purport to show how surrealism has been misunderstood by the mainstream art movement. As you have found, he is adept at coming up with supporting references that are not really authoritative. The effort involved in refuting these is high, since it is so hard to "prove" the absence of something, or "prove" that something is unimportant. The right way would be to try to get, say, three college professors, at different institutions, to write a 1-2 page letter summarizing their views on the topic.

 * But they would have not to be art historians, as that would be begging the very question that is in dispute. --Daniel C. Boyer 15:07, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedians may respond with apathy and even with such evidence an edit war could drag on.

Surrealism as an article is more important to Wikipedia than IUOMA or Natatoria, because people actually come to Wikipedia to read about Surrealism. It's too bad the article is so poor. I am not up to the challenge of improving it, however, since I don't have the background, and since FightingIsBoring.

As for IUOMA, it should just be deleted, since there is less to say about it than the Podunkton Methodist Church Women's Group, which at least holds a bake sale and a quilting day every year, and actually *has* a treasurer and a president.

UninvitedCompany 18:30, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * Despite your vendetta against surrealism, there is a term for this "revisionist POV": Surrealism. Check any primary source.  Check Breton's Manifestoes of Surrealism, in which he provides the following definitions for surrealism:

 * "SURREALISM, n. Psychic automatism in its pure state, by which one proposes to express-verbally, by means of the written word, or in any other matter-the actual functioning of thought. Dictated by thought, in the absence of any control excercised by reason, exempt from any moral concern."

 * "ENCYCLOPEDIA. Philosophy. Surrealism is based on the belief in the superior reality of certain forms of neglected associations, in the omnipotence of dream, in the disinterested play of thought. It tends to ruin once and for all all other psychic mechanisms and to substitute itself for them in solving all the principal problems of life. The following have performed acts of ABSOLUTE SURREALISM: Aragon, Baron, Boiffard, Breton, Carrive, Crevel, Delteil, Desnos, Eluard, Gérard, Limbour, Malkine, Morise, Naville, Noll, Péret, Picon, Soupault, Vitrac."

 * Check the journal La Revolution Surrealiste, check the Chicago journal Arsenal: Surrealist Subversions, check the Surrealist Subversions anthology (this is reviewed, for example at http://eserver.org/bs/reviews/2002-10-28-2.43PM.html, and I would like to point out a quote therefrom: "Any art student who ever saw surrealism as a primarily artistic or intellectual movement rather than a political one should have no such conceptions after reading this book -- almost every essay underscores the intrinsically revolutionary and political nature of surrealism"); that is, check any surrealist source in addition to things just written about surrealism. In terms of it continuing after the 1960s not only might I point out the huge flood of surrealist publications coming out of not only Chicago but Paris, Portland, Prague &c., but -- would you be willing to accept it as a mainstream source -- this quote from the Grove Dictionary of Art: "Breton's death in 1966 left no heir who could impose cohesion, although some activity continued in Brussels (with Marcel Mariën and the painters Jane Graverol and Felix Labisse), Prague (with the artists Jiri Kolar, Josef Istler, Eva Svankmajerova and the film maker Jan Svankmajer) and Chicago (coordinated by Franklin Rosemont)."   In my view "some activity" is an understatement (the 1976 World Surrealist Exhibition in Chicago (at which 31 countries were represented) obviously postdated the 1960s, and it received substantial mainstream media coverage, as did the "Surrealism Here and Now" show at the Heartland Cafe in Chicago), but it is at least a mainstream source showing surrealism continuing after the 1960s.  --Daniel C. Boyer 20:38, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

line-item-VfD
I'm not aware of any line-item-VfD. Pretty much edit wars are the only way people use to prevent people including themselves in articles. Sad. A better way might be to ask for page protection. - Tεx τ urε 16:32, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Daniel C. Boyer
Please do not interpret what I am about to write as lobbying to keep Daniel C. Boyer; I have no position on this. Neither is it an attempt to control or alter any of the content of the article should it survive. I am just asking you to explain why you would say "Googling you, I couldn't find anything that you hadn't posted yourself, or that wasn't just a representation of wikipedia content" when this is not what the Google results would show, and by your own admission you hadn't actually examined all of the Google results (this is not an attempt to say that I am not an "aspiring artist," just to examine this claim on its own merits and nothing more); why you slightly shifted your claim that with one exception "everything I saw was on sites that either allow users to post profiles directly, or at least exclusively post unsolicited submissions", when this claim was based on again not examining the evidence; and what is the implication of "I've had art professors with work in the permanent collections of museums who I don't even think merit entries. If webzines and group shows were enough, everyone with a BFA would have their own article" when by examining Wikipedia you will see that my artwork has also been included in books and my articles and responses to inquiries have been included in (print) journals, and I am currently preparing for my seventh solo exhibition. This is not an argument as to my famousness or non-famousness, or whether there should be an article on me (I could still be obscure or "aspiring"), but I think you should confine your arguments to facts; otherwise, you should explain yourself. --Daniel C. Boyer 15:41, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * I said I didn't find anything else other than what I stated I did. One reason may have been that my search was for the single term "daniel c. boyer", not the occurence of "daniel" together with "boyer."  As for the "facts", you presented the long list of links as all being examples of content you were not responsible for yourself, which clearly wasn't the case, and I honestly described what I found in what I did look through.  If you actually look at what I said instead of interpreting my statements to be broader than what they were, I never pretended to take anything more than a sampling of your links, links that you misrepresented as ALL being something that, at the very least, not all of them were.  And from my sampling, I only found one link that was of a different character than what I had first found.

 * Most of my listed links were for "Daniel C. Boyer," so I don't think that point is that significant. What I was questioning was whether you would characterise Wikipedia as being an objective academic project and then be inconsistent by being so casual about research and forming an opinion on that basis.  I also, rightly or otherwise, took your original statement about content I had posted very literally (in none of the links did I actually physically post the material), but you then shifted gears to content I was reponsible for.  However, most of the links I provided I wasn't responsible for the content of either; an example is the P.S. Rabel biography (I don't read German!).  --Daniel C. Boyer 18:49, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * I don't have anything against your work--I actually liked some of the drawings that I saw online--and I'm not disputing that you apparently have had some success in your profession. As have many, many people, however.  My point about art professors is that there are plenty of people that have been successful in art, in terms of getting their work shown, but that alone doesn't make them notable for mention in the content here.

 * I don't dispute this in the slightest. If you are going to say that I'm not notable enough for mention here, I won't dispute it.  All I am asking for is that you refrain from making factually-inaccurate claims.  I'll let this statement go to address what you claim my motives are as well.  --Daniel C. Boyer 18:49, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * I think you're letting your ego about your work get the best of you, and I think your claim that you have no position on whether or not your titular article should be kept is a little disingenuous, considering the great lengths you've gone to in order to dispute comments about your significance. Perhaps you should have taken to heart the comment about your "disgusting self-promotion" posted in your talk page last year, from the very one whom you say started your article (under an anon IP, it appears), as well as the unanimous agreement, but for one vote last I saw, in the VfD page.  Just ask yourself how appropriately you've handled this, in choosing not to stay out and let others who are disinterested argue for and against something in which you are personally invested.  --Postdlf 18:15 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Beer ads
Thanks for the head's up, and for your vigilance! I've spared two articles that aren't as spamish; Mountain Crest Brewing Corp. and Mountain Crest Classic Lager (which seems to be the company's only noteworthy brand). I'm not sure if they can be NPOVed adequately; if you think not, by all means list them on VfD. We do have articles on other beer brands, but of course, they don't read like ads. Cheers, -- Hadal 19:23, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * Nicely done! I know how you feel, but thanks to your effort they're not getting the hyped plug the company desired. It's also odd that only the brother, and not the president, was originally mentioned. Sibling rivalry, perhaps (though that might be assuming too much about the submitter). -- Hadal 20:52, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

VfD-Electional astrology
I'm hoping your comment that you can't tell electional astrology apart from astronomy was a slip of the fingers. -- Cyrius|&#9998 20:08, Apr 18, 2004 (UTC)
 * Sorry if that sounded a bit snippy, it's just that it's really annoying when people don't know the difference. -- Cyrius|&#9998 20:17, Apr 18, 2004 (UTC)
 * No, I agree. I just feel so ashamed now...everyone's going to think I'm a regular Weekly World News reader or something.  Postdlf  20:20  18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

VfD-Skull (mythology)
I hope you'll change your mind and discover some of the skull symbolism in Western art. How about Wolk (mythology)? Would you permit that? It's not as interesting as beer can labels I'll admit... Wetman 20:53, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * I hope you noticed that I said on VfD that I liked your prose--I just don't think it's of the right descriptive nature for a wikipedia article--it's too much of a meditation. (maybe wikibooks instead?)  But more to the point, the reason why I listed it on VfD is that I have serious doubts as to whether there could be a full article on the topic (and by "mythology" I assume you mean to include symbolism and artistic uses...so "skull (symbolism)" would be a better title).  I can't think of any skull symbolism beyond use as a proxy for death or the dead, and as a warning...also of death (i.e. on poison, pirate flags, etc.).  I can think of two options that would be better:  include a "cultural references" section in skull, or a page on death (symbolism) that would include skulls and everything else.  As for wolves, I also think a cultural references section would be appropriate there in the main article...that's how it's done for apple.  If I'm wrong about the varied and multiple uses of skulls in culture, myth, etc., then I'd love to see that reflected through expanded information in your article.  Postdlf 22:16 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * and I just noticed there is a small section on wolves in folklore in that main article, btw... Postdlf 22:18 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Speedy deletion candidates
I have deleted Growling Dog Productions since it was previously listed on vfd and deleted. Someone else has deleted Scott Ross Schaefer. The guidelines for speedy deletion candidates is located at Candidates for speedy deletion. What does or does not need to be listed on vfd is a matter of some interpretation. Maximus Rex 21:37, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

This may provide some insight into Anthony DiPierro's voting. (Or maybe it won't.) Requests for arbitration/Anthony DiPierro and Requests for arbitration/Anthony DiPierro/Evidence. -- Maximus Rex 16:19, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks...I try to be objective in judging the behavior of other wikipedians--it helps to see that many others have had the same concerns that I have. It looks like those arbitration dialogues had concluded that he had stopped trolling on VfD...I think it's time to revisit that conclusion.  Postdlf 18:23 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Suggested areas for more articles
Hey, on Georgetown University Law Center, you mention, WRT the military-gay school issue, recent law changes that deny university funding to universities that refuse to discriminate. It would be really cool if you wrote an article on the particular law at hand, and linked it. Improv

 * I expanded the explanation of it on the GULC page (as well as on the Association of American Law Schools page I just started). Eventually I might create a separate article for the "Solomon Amendments", once I research it a little more.  Until then, http://www.law.georgetown.edu/solomon/Index.html on the GULC official site has a lot more info about it.  Postdlf  21:48  28 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Palestine in short
Hi. I agree that Palestine in short should be deleted but it is not a candidate for speedy deletion - please list on Votes for deletion if appropriate. - Tεx τ urε 15:30, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

This also applies to Range and borders of Palestine. I can't find a reason under Candidates for speedy deletion that allows me to speedy delete this article. Please list on VfD. - Tεx τ urε 15:32, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I thought Palestine in short was at least borderline for speedy deletion, but I thought it was also clear that it was redundant content posted to avoid peer editing on the main article, after the creator had spurred an edit war seen by many as vandalism on his part. I didn't list the Range and borders one for speedy deletion, though I still think it's also a solid vfd candidate.  Postdlf 7:20 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Dealing with redundant categories
If anyone's wondering why I have a lot of vandal-appearing edits relating to the variously named United States history categories, it's because I'm really confused and trying to fix it. Yeah. Redirects unfortunately don't seem to carry over the articles that link to them to the target category. Anyway...I'll sort it out. Postdlf 3:27 04 June 2004 (UTC)

Categories of Airports
I noticed you changed the category of Bolton Field Airport to Airports in Ohio. Just to let you know, I am categorizing every airport currently in Wikipedia. The topic of subdividing countries is still one under discussion. Please go to WikiProject Airports/categorization and post a note there. Until then, I am reverting them to Category:Airports of the United States.
 * Secondary note, the current style is Transportation in * not * transportation. Burgundavia 04:17, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

New York City categories
I am not certain if you know, but the standard for naming, is * of * or * in *, not * *. Ie. Transportation in New York City, not New York City transportation. I moved most of the transportion categories to the standard style, but there remains: Category:New_York_City_history Category:New_York_City_neighborhoods Category:New_York_City_skyscrapers which should be moved to the the standard style, as well as Category:Manhattan neighborhoods. If you have any questions, give me a shout on my talk page. Burgundavia 00:15, Jun 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * As for conventions, most is just observing and asking. As for the moving, I did it all the hard way. Go to the deepest level and start there, then change each level as you. I really do hope they make categories expandable. Hope this helps. Burgundavia

Categorization of United States National Security Advisor
You made seven edits in a row to this page, but you marked them all minor and didn't give edit summaries for any of them, so it's rather hard to figure out what you were trying to do. In any case, the overall effect of your edits in total was to:

 * 1) Categorize this article into Category:National Security Council and Category:Executive Office of the U.S. President
 * 2) Remove the See also section pointing to Category:United States National Security Advisors
 * 3) Categorize this article into Category:United States National Security Advisors

While no. 1 makes perfect sense, I'm not sure what your goal was with nos. 2 and 3. The article describes the office of National Security Advisor. The category lists people who were National Security Advisors. United States National Security Advisor isn't an example of one of the United States National Security Advisors. I've backed out those two changes. In the future, please mark down at least a word or two of edit summary to let people know what you're trying to accomplish when the purpose of your edits isn't self-evident. --TreyHarris 04:00, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * I think my point in putting it there was that it contained a list of National Security Advisors—perhaps a better alternative would've been for me to simply name the category for inclusion "National Security Advisor" so that way it would more sensibly contain the article describing the office as well as those who have held the title. As for as edit summaries, I knew that unfortunately someone along the way would be displeased by my omission of them, but when I go on my categorizing frenzies, I try to work very quickly.  I think for the most part, my categorizations speak for themselves (at least in the end—sometimes it takes a few tries to fix them because they don't show up in previews).  Postdlf  11 June 2004 4:06 (UTC)

Non-tariff barriers to trade
Hello to Manhattan, I very much like Krzysztof Kieslowski as well! I made a comment at the discussion of the article Non-tariff barriers to trade because you have the understandable perception that tariffs are tariffs, which, I am afraid, some economists try to pretend is not the case. Good luck with your studies! Please also check my page and let me know there in case you are interested in my learning project. Get-back-world-respect 17:37, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Moving articles
Hello. Nice work with all the categorization. I noticed you moved a Supreme Court Case article recently by cutting and pasting the content. This is not recommended as the article history does not move with the content when you do this. Reccommended method is to use the Move function (tab) at the top of the article. Of course, if there was an article at the target name already, you'd have to ask and admin to delete it first, which is generally no problem if it is only a redirect. older ≠ wiser 02:06, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Yeah, that was the case...there was a redirect there. Thanks for noticing my work on the categorization...I've been quite pleased with how the organization has been coming along so far.  ---Postdlf 2:09  13 June 2004 (UTC)

User:IZAK
I think IZAK isn't capable of being objective about anything related to religion. He's completely blinded by his ideology. See User talk:John Kenney, Talk:Jew, and User talk:Eequor. It's really a shame he can't understand and forces Wikipedia to his beliefs by his persistence. --Eequor 13:42, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Robert Jackson
I decided to undertake the disambiguation of "Robert Jackson" since we had a lot of ridiculous links. I was working on the article about the NYC Councilmember. Then I saw that, at the same time, you'd created the disambiguation page. Was this just an amazing coincidence? It doesn't matter at all, but I can't help being curious! JamesMLane 19:04, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC) Thanks, I forgot I'd done that link first. It seemed like too much of a coincidence to be true. Anyway, thanks for doing the Robert Jackson page. JamesMLane 20:47, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * I have the Barnette case on my watchlist, and saw that you had disambiguated the Jackson link in that article...then I noticed that Robert Jackson itself needed to be disambiguated. Tha's all.  Postdlf 19:11, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Grand Upright v. Warner
I see that you added a neutrality dispute tag to this article, noting that it was someone's personal critique of the case. The article is very stubby at the moment (no description of the case itself, for example!) but it seems accurate, so far as it goes. Do you see any errors in Mr. Cronin's analysis of the case? Do you think that the law does say that a request for permission is equivalent to stipulating that there is a valid copyright, or that use without permission is copyright infringement? Jamesday 18:54, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * I haven't had time to read the case, and your questions about what I thought about it are missing the point of what is wrong with the article. The stub may have sound criticism of the case, but at current it contains nothing but criticism without actually explaining what the opinion said or how the court's reasoning could be otherwise justified.  That wouldn't necessarily be fatal, just a sign of a work in progress, but the choice of language furthermore treats the criticism as accepted fact—its very definition is that it is "a flawed US copyright infringement decision..."  It is acceptable NPOV to point out that courts or legal scholars consider it flawed.  It is unacceptable POV to say that it is flawed.  Postdlf 19:04, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Place categories
Thanks for your help with Louisiana places categories. -- Infrogmation 20:53, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Columbus area FM stations
I must strongly disagree with your moving of Columbus FM stations from articles such as WNCI to WNCI-FM. This only introduces inaccuracies into the wikipedia and violates FCC naming conventions. Please use the FCC database to do station queries before moving articles to prevent these bad edits. Richardsur 04:05, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * I have no idea what you're talking about—I've done no such thing. Postdlf 14:27, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * My sincere apologies. I didn't do enough research before posting to your talk page. It was shortly after you added the category information that the articles were moved, so I figured you were moving them. Sorry. By the way, great job with the categories. --Richardsur 22:09, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Harvey v. Horan
I hope you don't think I've abandoned this article. I'm afraid it's taking a bit longer than I expected, as there's a lot of information in the appeal that I'm trying to incorporate into the new article.

Again, thanks for your help,

Acegikmo1 16:36, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Towns category
You might want to be cautious about creating and populating categories for Towns in XX State. In many states, "towns" have no official meaning and the term was only used in Wikipedia articles because Rambot-generated articles used it for Census-designated places that were not cities, villages or other official entities. Of course, in some states, "town" does have an official status. older ≠ wiser 02:26, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * If that's the case, then the categorization can be changed as the individual articles are corrected—otherwise, there is no way to categorize them now. I noticed under one state, someone had unthinkingly categorized all municipalities as "cities"; at least I'm using the terms currently present in the article.  Postdlf 02:31, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Category:Books that start with B
I read your message and if the category and sister categories are really such a problem then I'll allow an administrator to delete them if we could get ahold of one to remove them and the links to them. -- [[User:LGagnon|LGagnon Talk ]] 20:00, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Washington Metro
Re your comments on User talk:Bryan Derksen. You're right about (Washington Metro), I just figured that could wait until those had actual pages (And I did it pre-emptively with a few, specifically Pentagon City (Washington Metro)). That is a worthy project, I could get on it. Leave the recategorization to him. ;) And you do have a good point with crowding out the category. --Golbez 08:08, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

County Categories
Please review the comment I put on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Counties, and comment there. I'd like to get some other mids looking at the subject as well. If you think I'm out of line, feel free to use my talk page as an alternative. Thanks, Lou I 19:39, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC).

 * Still thinking about your update. Re: Category for colunial governors, I'd suggest the title if Category:American Colonial Governors with a sub-category of Massachusetts Colonial Governors, etc. This avoids some conflicts, since Nova Scotia Colonial Governors is no problem, but still leaves the otther naming problem of PROVINCE vs COLONY. The term province is a two plus century dead legal term. The British secretary of state and trade lords used it, but even in the eighteenth centry Americans only used it on legal documents and formalisms. I'll still have to thrash that one out with Jengod. Regards, Lou I 20:53, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * Did the difference in term between a "province" and a "colony" actually have any legal impact, or was it pretty much mere semantics as between "commonwealths" and states today? Postdlf 17:50, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Help, please
You have done a lot more with Categories than I have. I modiied the category entry for the American Revolution, hoping to make the Revolutionary War a subcategory, but not the other way around. Yet after my change, each category will refers to the other as a subcategory. If you could take a look, and let me know how or why I failed, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Lou I 16:11, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

For some reason, the way the database works, changes to categories don't always update right away. If you look at Category:American Revolution, it's only a member of Category:United States history, so nothing more needs to be done except waiting for the system to refresh Category:American Revolutionary War so the changes will be visible there too. Postdlf 17:45, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * BTW, I've been pondering whether there should be a Category:Signers of the U.S. Declaration of Independence or a Category:Signers of the U.S. Constitution. I'm leaning against it right now so I've held off, but I don't yet have any conclusive reasons why or why not.  Postdlf 17:48, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Legal Citation
You're the law guy, I'm not. Is it really universal to use "U.S." rather than "US" in legal citation? -- Jmabel 18:20, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)

 * Yes—while not every jurisdiction uses the exact same citation forms (for example, some state courts put the case name, then year, then reporter rather than the standard Blue Book case name, then reporter, then year form used in federal courts and law schools), case reporter abbreviation is something in which there is total consistency. "U.S." refers specifically to the "United States Reports", the official Supreme Court case reporter, and is the only accepted way to refer to it.

 * Strictly speaking, I think "U.S." is probably the only right way to abbreviate "United States" in general anyway, despite the common use of "US". It isn't the same as state abbreviations such as "NY" or "DC" that are proper without periods because they have accepted use as postal codes.  Postdlf 19:11, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Article rewrite
Hello again Postdlf,

I have finally completely rewritten what was US Constitutional right of access to DNA testing. It is now located at Harvey v. Horan. It's about fifteen times as long as the original article and (I'm hoping) as many times more accurate. I would greatly appreciate it if you'd look over the article. I will graciously accept any corrections or suggestions you have.

Sincerely,

Acegikmo1 05:19, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Experiments that Work and Ones that Don't
Are these necessary considering how we have categories now? They seem like unnecessary clutter. Postdlf 23:10, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I think you're mostly right. It was practicable and (I think) helpful with Roman myth. It's clearly breaking down with Greek myth, where things are much more open-ended and complex. Where something like nymphs or the figures associated with a god are loosely defined and wide-ranging and potentially hierarchical, categories are much better. So I'm mostly dissatisfied with the experiment.

The only ones that I think might be worth keeping, in stripped-down form, are Template:Greek myth (Titan) and Template:Greek myth (Olympian) - maybe or maybe not (sea) and (Hades). At least the first two data sets are small, heterogeneous and closely interrelated enough where it could still work. Bacchiad 00:10, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Fun with Religion
Thanks for the update regarding that "Aldism" article, or however it's spelled. Funny stuff. Oh, well...wouldn't be the first time I was quoted out of context! :^)) Take care. - Lucky 6.9 16:12, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

FHM
Thanks for taking the time to deal with the FHM category. In the end, it just came down to the fact that MK wasnt happy with the idea of his 'hard work' going down the drain. Anyway, its not the last of it - a while back we went through and deleted a bunch of "Year in MTV" articles, which someone was going nuts over. The FHM lists are about the same thing, only they seem more acceptible given how fast things are moving around here, and the fact that policing thest articles would be impossible. It might require 3 people to do nothing but scour categories to prune them, without really the avaliable tools to do a good job. Category pruning ought be a system task for sysops, IMHO, but that would require some upgrades. Thanks again. -SV 18:38, 2004 Jul 20 (UTC)

User:Arevich
Have you seen the delightful message that has been left on my user talk page by this user? I'm glad I'm going away for two days, I can tell you... -- Graham ☺ | Talk 20:08, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * It gets even better—check out what he last wrote on his talk page. Postdlf 20:48, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Check out what I wrote about him removing your text, etc. - UtherSRG 22:54, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Category:Eighth albums
I suppose there are no more appropriate kudos for your contributions on this dialogue than: Rock on! *grins* - UtherSRG 20:19, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Vate
My vate entry has been deleted, although it was posted in the undeletion list :( This discourages me to contribute in wikipedia. The lesson or others: It doesnt mean it doesn exist if you don't know it --Vate 16:45, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * Vate, your re-creating of the article was out of process. It was deleted back in Novemeber of 2003. Proper process to restore an article is to list it on Votes for undeletion. Then, if concensus dictates that it should be restored, an admin will restore it. Since you decided to not follow this process, I deleted the article so as to restore correct process. - UtherSRG 16:53, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Stubs
You asked me about stubs. I have little or no intention of expanding stubs. If you'd like to delete one or more of them, you're welcome to do so. —Vespristiano 02:34, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * It's fine to create stubs and rely on others to edit them, but make sure that even as stubs, that they aren't worthy of deletion—we shouldn't have to follow you around deleting stubs that you have given little time or thought to. With many of your stubs, it was impossible to see what was notable about the subject, or in some cases even what the subject was.  At a minimum a stub should tell someone exactly why they would want to research the subject more and contribute to the article.  Please see Perfect stub article, and I hope you can incorporate some of those guidelines into your further work.  Thanks!  Postdlf 17:06, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

New Rome
Here's the NBC4 article on New Rome. http://www.nbc4columbus.com/news/3598592/detail.html

Senators
Thanks for the kind words. I have noticed some pages like that, but some states have an alphabetical list (which is useful) and some have a chart (which is almost made redundant by my charts, inspired by US Congressional Delegations from North Carolina). I figured I'd deal with that once my superior ;) tables were done. Am I missing anything?

Unfortunately, right now, I'm trying to figure out how to do California. :P I've finished half the districts and am wondering if it's best to split it up. Maybe you're a good person to ask - Should I split it into several 15-district-wide tables, or just do one, 54-district wide table, and make people scroll horizontally to read it? And I have noticed the alphabetizing issue, that's a simple fix. --Golbez 06:39, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * I just reread your comment. My tables are specificaly lists of the delegations; i.e. a horizontal reference for whom served in what year. There's still a place for a vertical reference, i.e. an alphabetical list of senators and representatives. Such a list, if not made wholly redundant by a category, probably does not belong on my delegations pages, since they aren't grouped by delegation. That's the whole point of the tables.  Any suggestions? --Golbez 04:28, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Art categories
Hi,

I noticed that you have recently created some sub-categories in the visual arts. Can I also encourage you to join the categorisation discussion at Category talk:Art -- Solipsist 20:53, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Atlantium
I appreciate your response. My apologies concerning talk page deletions - that was a misunderstanding of etiquette on my part. --Gene_poole 07:02, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

listings on WP:CFD
Heya - I think it's a good idea to make the category listings subheadings. That way when the category is deleted and delisted, it can show up automatically in the edit summary. Keep up the good work! - UtherSRG 12:04, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Ohio categorization
Just wanted to say that I've been watching your work on Ohio counties, etc. which some interest. (Actually I've been watching recent changes and noticing the frequent appearance of the word Ohio.) Good work - also, it makes me happy because I'm currently an out-of-state Ohioan and it reminds me of home. :) Aranel 18:16, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Sympson the Joiner
--Jerzy(t) 04:25, 2004 Aug 16 (UTC)
 * 1) Sympson the Joiner survived VfD with two Del votes (including the nomination to VfD), three explicit Keep votes, and two arguable implicit Keeps (via mentions of Cleanup).
 * 2) In accord with severalWP:CU mentions, it
 * 3) went on,
 * 4) got a one-word M(inor) edit after 18 minutes, and
 * 5) was kicked off by one editor after 14 hours, with summary "nothing more is likely to turn up".
 * 6) Your comment at Talk:Sympson the Joiner would assist me in determining what next.

User:Hemanshu
I think you were very polite and appropriate in your notes to him. - UtherSRG 12:11, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Category:Academic institutions
I started several threads on Category talk:Academic institutions, so we can clarify things there, rather than on scattered user pages... -- Beland 04:30, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC).

Grandes écoles
I note that you capitalized the É in Category:Grandes Écoles. Why this decision? École is a common name; you would not use "Universities and Colleges in France", would you? David.Monniaux 06:50, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No problem. :-) Grammatically, it should definitely be a lowercase é, but, when referring to the full set of French grandes écoles as a whole, some people use capitals for added pompousness. It just means "great school". David.Monniaux 07:27, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Dana Snyder
Good show old chap, link to Dana Snyder from Aqua Teen Hunger Force, which redirects back to Aqua Teen Hunger Force. Dana's page used to have useful info, mainly the fact that it wasnt a reflective wikilink (Link from a page that returns to the same page) before. I've made it back into the slighly informitive page, to prevent the reflect. As your User: page says, you need to stop smoking crack. --TIB (talk) 01:27, Aug 22, 2004 (UTC)
 * I believe you have me confused with someone else. It happens to me alot; I apparently have that kind of face.  Postdlf 02:04, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Ok, I know what you're talking about now. I did make Dana Snyder into a redirect, because all it said was that he was a voice actor on ATHF.  I did not however link back to Dana Snyder from ATHF, but I should have removed the wikilink that was already there.  If the article doesn't contain any additional information, then it isn't really a separate article.  Postdlf 02:07, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Viral categories
Ugh, I took one look and ran away in horror. Maybe if I get more energy ... RickK 20:20, Aug 22, 2004 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/European Union Olympic medals count for 2004
You may be interested in a last-ditch attempt to save User:Pgreenfinch's endangered article European Union Olympic medals count for 2004 which is on a subpage page of VfD at Votes for deletion/European Union Olympic medals count for 2004. Because this is a subpage it may not be noticed by those scanning the regular VfD page. Recent votes to keep appear to be sock-puppets or people who have become users only to support this article. You may wish to add your vote or comments or both. Jallan 13:28, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Towns in Pennsylvania
I recall from CfD that you had found one Town in Pennsylvania. What was it and what did you do with it? I think I may have found another McCandless, Pennsylvania. Seems that it used to be a township (and is still listed in Census data as a township) but has incorporated and has home rule powers. The elected representative and the Allegheny County web site both refer to it as a town. I found a note that there are 12 other such townships incorporated with home rule powers, so there may actually be a few more towns in PA. See   older ≠ wiser 18:48, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC) And one more that you might find of interest:  older ≠ wiser 18:55, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC) OK, I think that despite several quasi-official looking documents that refer to it as the Town of McCandeless, there are many more equally official looking docs that still call it a township. Unless I come across something to the contrary, I'm going to assume that it is a township with pretensions of being called a Town without the legal basis for doing so. older ≠ wiser 20:08, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * The town was Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania—it was the only one listed as a town in the 2000 census data, so I only stuck it in its county category. That's great if you've found more recent info on what is incorporated in that manner—go ahead and recreate Category:Towns in Pennsylvania.  Postdlf 22:48, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Supreme Court Case Categorization
I just wanted to let you know that your categorization of the U.S. Supreme Court cases into relevant cases dealing with similar subjects is much appreciated. I am currently in the process of revamping the entire List of United States Supreme Court cases and every article on the list. I would like to make everything a little more uniform so that a person going from one case to another is not entirely confused by the context (assuming they are not a law student). I am doing this in waves. Currently I am simply revamping the citations on each case article's page. Once I am done that, I'll be revamping the citations and comments on the list itself. Any help you want to give in putting the proper categorization in the articles would be a very welcome contribution. Thanks! Skyler 13:44, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)

Edit summaries / categories
Hello. I'm a little bemused. You clearly care a great deal that WP has a cogent categorisation scheme. Yet, according to your contribs and the attached page histories you regard changing the category people are in, deletion of categories applied to articles, addition of categories to articles as minor edits and undeserving of an edit summary.

The most miserable conclusion that might be drawn from this is that you're trying to do this stealthily. Perhaps you can tell me about your working methods and what you hope to achieve. --[[User:Bodnotbod| bodnotbod »  .....TALK Q uietly  )  ]] 17:48, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * True, I don't always include in the edit summary that I have added or removed something from a category, but a lot of the time I do, and sometimes I do consider it a minor edit because I think the category change that I have made was done for a blatantly obvious reason. Do you really need an explanation as to why I would include a Supreme Court case dealing with free speech in Category:U.S. free speech case law?  Or to explain why I would remove a clearly redundant category?  If I think there will be controversy because of the nature of the category and related dialogue, I will likely explain why I removed a category, such as several that I have removed from Category:Gay, lesbian or bisexual people because their articles have contained absolutely no information about their sexuality one way or another.  Why would you think I'd want to work "stealthily"?  Is there actually a specific edit that bothered you?  Postdlf 22:00, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * I feel that even if it's a blatantly obvious reason, it helps to include it in the edit summary so that it shows up on Recent Changes and in the history (Not to describe your reasons, merely paste the edit in the summary box).

 * It's not that I need an explanation...

 * OK. Let me come entirely clean here (and this also addresses your question about a specific edit).

 * It is clear to me, looking at your edits and talk page etc, that you're putting a lot of good work into Wikipedia, and that your aim is to do what you can to make it an even better resource. I'm the same way.

 * I think we have different thoughts and feelings about categories, however. You appear to have very definite ideas about categories, whereas I think I'm a bit more laissez-faire and willing to see what evolves - very much less proscriptive than your good self.

 * At the moment - and you'll have gathered this from stuff I've said elsewhere - I'm getting the feeling that your forthrightness and sense of direction is in danger of overpowering or steamrolling consensus on categories. For my part I'm trying to drum up interest in the page and get more people involved in the voting.

 * I guess, in the meantime... ech! I hate the way this sounds, but it's the truth, so gulp, here goes... I'm inclined to look at your contributions to see what is happening with categories, as I'm fearful that you're moving too fast and too determinedly.  Obviously, if you were to fill out edit summaries I would then be able to make sense of your contributions more quickly.

 * Aside from all that, I do feel that any category change (moves, removals, additions) are not minor edits. I guess my reasoning is that I would class minor edits as something nobody would argue with (fixing typos, formatting etc).  Whereas a category edit is always going to be putting you in conflict with a previous editor:  you are either saying:

 * No, you (Mr Previous Editor) have put someone in the wrong category.
 * No, you have created a category that shouldn't exist.
 * Or, in general No, you have done something I disagree with, which I am now changing --[[User:Bodnotbod| bodnotbod »  .....TALK Q uietly  )  ]] 12:21, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC)

 * To mark such things as minor seems dismissive of the editor who made the contribution you disagree with.

 * All I can do is ask that you not mark category edits as minor and that you paste the initial cat. -> and then your new cat into edit summary (or put "del. cat..." or "+cat...).

 * Phew, sorry to be so long-winded. Regards, --[[User:Bodnotbod| bodnotbod  »  .....TALK Q uietly  )  ]] 12:21, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC)

 * The silence is deafening, but you appear to be using edit summaries, so I appreciate that. --[[User:Bodnotbod| bodnotbod »  .....TALK Q uietly  )  ]] 01:12, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)

re: Bradley Amendment
Good evening, Postdlf. On 30 Aug, you voted to delete the article about the Bradley Amendment because it was a POV rant. Even though the discussion period has run out, no one's acted on that thread yet. I've completely rewritten the article. I'd appreciate it if you'd take a read through and see if it's now worthy of a keep. Rossami 01:20, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Case citations
I refer you to Talk:List of United States Supreme Court cases where I explained my way of formatting case citations. I am trying to keep a uniform style for all supreme court case articles. I'm aware that normally citations do not have the case reporter volume and page number underlined, but I found (for the sake of readability) that it would be better to underline them rather than bold them as many contributors have done on the List page. I announced my intention and have since gotten through reformatting around half the case articles on the list with my proposed format without objection. I am changing the citations in Chisholm v. Georgia back to my proposed format and would appreciate any argument you have against this to go on the List Talk Page for debate among other contributors to supreme court case articles rather than changing the format unilaterally.

Thank you, Skyler 03:08, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)

Categorization -- a specific question
I left a comment on Talk:Arlo Guthrie about your de-categorization there. You haven't responded, so I mention it here in case you aren't following the page. JamesMLane 14:26, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Cabinet
That sounds good to me as to making a new subcategory. As to whether CIA and FBI directors are politicians, I'd say "probably," although I'm not sure. Judges should only count if they also held a political post, I think. For instance, Charles Evans Hughes wouldn't count for his time as a judge, but he would count for his time as Governor of New York. john k 15:19, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Categories: Atheists, Atheist Thinkers & Activists, Atheist scientists
Hi Postdlf,

I'm a great believer in Falsifiability, so I took the liberty of crash-testing the new (& still experimental) categorization of people, with one of the controversial issues from the past.

So, although the test I intend is primarily about whether or not "categorization of people" will stand for the time being or whether it still needs further refinement, I still also felt the need for a good device for categorizing people for whom their atheist approach had a major effect on the things they were most known about, and that were neither thinkers that publicised atheist philosophies, nor were atheist activists.

(The atheist category CfD procedure was from before I ever visited that page; many of the problems raised against that category at that time are maybe not longer in place today, e.g. "atheists" is now only a "supercategory", not intended for immediate use on "people" articles, only its subcategories)

The sentence "Dieu? Sire, je n'ai pas besoin de cette hypothèse" kept jingling through my mind (which I learnt very long ago). After an extended search I found back whom it came from (Laplace), discovered this was an Age of Enlightenment Scientist, and set to work. (Eventually also adding a third subcategory to the Category:Age of Enlightenment.

Could you please check whether content-wise there is something wrong with what I did?

And of course: what your personal views are on the present procedure proposals (The "Categorization of people" page maybe also gives some insight in what way I am presently trying to de-problematise the atheists category issue).

--Francis Schonken 21:29, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Michigan politicians
I notice that you've been removing articles on individual politicians from Category:Michigan politicians. Any particular reason?
 * Because they fit into an applicable subcategory, such as Category:Members of the Michigan House of Representatives. As for those holding federal office who never held state office, see below discussion.  Postdlf 01:43, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Other politicians
A related question to above: What's the threshhold? You changed the cats on Alfred P. Swineford from Governors of Alaska, Alaska Politicians and Michigan Politicians to just Governors of Alaska and Members of the Michigan House. Don't get me wrong; I like the change. But I wanted to know the threshhold. For example, if someone was a governor from Alaska AND a senator, and there is currently no category only for Alaska senators, should the person remain in Alaska Politicians? (Example: Frank Murkowski) Or, should I be bold and make categories for all the offices that I come across? And what if they are a Governor, and were also mayor of Fairbanks? Do they stay in Alaska Politicians, or make a category for Mayors of Fairbanks, or maybe just Alaskan Mayors? Thanks. --Golbez 01:21, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)
 * I'd say make the categories. I haven't really come up with a coherent theory yet on when someone should just be included in the parent (state) politician categories, though I've tended to leave individuals there when they are (or have been) merely candidates for office.  I figure if there is an office to put them into, put them in it.  As for Fairbanks mayors, do we have articles on enough of them to make a category for it?  Many city mayors we do (Category:Mayors of New York City, Category:Mayors of Chicago, etc.).  I suppose if there aren't enough to substantiate a category for a particular office, leave them in the parent politicians category.  Postdlf 01:42, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * But...if by "senator" above, you meant a U.S. Senator representing Alaska rather than an Alaska state senator, please don't make a Senators subcategory for the particular state. I think it's a great thing to have all the U.S. Senators in one category, and we have list articles that break them down by state that are included in the state politicians categories.   At least for right now, I'm leaning away from (but not totally opposed to) including a U.S. Senator from Alaska who never served in a state-level office in Alaska politicians.  That may end up being the best solution for such individuals, however, to make sure that the category can be navigated to directly from their article, but I'd like us to think of another if possible.  Postdlf 01:47, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I did mean US Senate, yes... and a US Senator (or US House member) from Alaska is still an Alaskan politician. And there we run into a problem. You're right about not needing to split up the categories; there's only so many US Senators. And yes, if they want to find the senators from Alaska, there are the list pages... but they might seem conspicuously absent from the Alaska Politicians category. --Golbez 02:52, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)

First sale doctrine
Why did you move the article to first-sale doctrine? While there have been a handful of court opinions that have implanted the hyphen, this is the exception—the overwhelming majority of courts do not use a hyphen, including all Supreme Court cases I could find. The same appears to be true in the academic literature. The article should be moved back to the most common usage (as well as the more authoritative one). Postdlf 00:33, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Because it already used that phrase, with the hyphen, in the article, and because I think the more traditional way of using hyphens makes sense. Michael Hardy 01:31, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

You might want to look at the article titled hyphen. The traditional way of using hyphens has been very slowly dying out for a half-century or more, but it's still generally followed magazines and newspapers. Michael Hardy 21:09, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Fair dealing
I based my change mostly on Canadian law of fair dealing. While in some areas it is more restrictive than fair use, in other areas it is more liberal. For instance copying and selling an entire book, under certain conditions, has been judged fair use under Canadian law. Recent rulings allowing peer to peer file sharing have also, in part, been based on fair dealing laws. In general Canadian fair dealing allows greater use of materials for purely private collections, while American fair use is far more open to the public use of works. - SimonP 20:58, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)

Patty
Hi Postdlf,

I read your message. I thank you for your correction so I can work better in english wikipedia. Ciao from Monza Italy --Patrizia 17:47, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Art museums, galleries, etc.
Thanks for fixing these categories. It was nice to come back to see everything neat and tidy after being distracted from Wikipedia for a while. 8) -- Beland 03:53, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Nomination for Adminship
Hey, would you be interested if I were to nominate you for adminship? --Improv 18:13, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Certainly, thank you! Postdlf 20:15, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Union Navy categories
You may want to see my notes on these categories at Categories_for_deletion#Category:Union_Navy_officers. Please don't depopulate them again until a decision has been made. I think they are useful, even though the overlap with another category. Jinian 17:43, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

You're a sysop!
I'm pleased to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. Congratulations!. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | Talk 20:50, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Yay! Thanks!  Postdlf 13:05, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Lori Berenson
AAAAA is trying to impose his personal label on Lori Berenson, despite the fact that the (category description page says that the label is only for people who "personally used terrorist tactics" and "have admitted to or endorsed violence against civilians...the use of terrorist tactics should be well-documented and undisputed." I consider this a case of vandalism, not an edit dispute. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 14:54, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC) Lori Berenson
 * I noticed that you've been conflicting with User:Neutrality as to whether this article should be included under Category:Terrorists. Is it just this particular inclusion that you disagree on? You've already reverted from the removal of the category several times, so it would be great if you could instead resolve this on the article's talk page. Please let's try to avoid edit wars, and not violate the three-per-day reversion rule. Thanks! Postdlf 14:49, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. This should be resolved on the article's talk page. However, User:Neutrality has made NO ATTEMPT to respond to my personal messages or the postings I have made in the article talk page.--AAAAA 15:08, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, I just read the "Terrorists" category page and I have to agree with Neutrality in that the category is not suited for Lori Berenson. Maybe there should be a category for "Non-Violent Terrorists" or "People associated with terrorists" or something like that.  In the meantime, I will not revert the article.  What I do think though, is that Neutrality has acted like a Vandal.  I have posted my reasons in each edit, in his Talk page and in the article's talk page.  And he DID NOT CARE to respond to any.  That is NOT RIGHT.--AAAAA 15:18, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * No, it's not proper to keep on reverting edits without discussing it, but let's not all throw the "vandal" label around. Terrorism is obviously an emotional topic, but you've had a legitimate difference of opinion on this article, and I can see both your points regarding the content.  Category:Terrorists is a problematic but needed category, because obviously there are many individuals that would not have articles but for their violent acts.  So what to do about those are convicted of terrorism in what seems to have been a kangaroo court?  Maybe we could all work together on a solution?  Postdlf 23:35, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Most recent common ancestor

Human MRCA
I have deleted the statement that the human MRCA may be as recent as 3000 years ago as it is not supported by the sources. The first is about a computer model and the second, 'JC Virus Evolution and Its Association with Human Populations', says "this virus should not be used as a marker for human population history". Dudley Miles (talk) 18:02, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * @Dudley Miles - this is a theory with high likelihood, not a categorical truth. The word "may" is the key. A lot of prehistoric knowledge is essentially result of models. I would not write off so easily a mathematical model or a model based on a virus so closely associated with humans, specially when more than one model give similar results.
 * My own genealogical research showed me that a closed community of one thousand individuals today, are all related to everyone who lived there 6 generations ago. Assuming 20-25 years per generation this means 100-150 years. The mathematical model expresses this more generally with a formula and deduces the time range for the whole world population. What is wrong with that? An indication of the approximate range for truth is better than complete ignorance. Publishing a range is a call for improvement which is better than censorship. Cobanyastigi (talk) 02:33, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

 * , following our policies and guidelines is not censorship. We rely on sources that meet our criteria for reliability and back the text we are using them for. Neither of these sources seem to do that. Our own opinions, experience or research are irrelevant. By the way, @ by itself does nothing, if you wish to notify someone you need to do something such as - and you have to get it right the first time, you can't fix it. If you get it wrong you need a new and signed post.  Doug Weller  talk 13:16, 20 August 2018 (UTC) Ironic, I couldn't see that your name was spelled with a y because my software was underlining it for spelling.  - my bad for not using preview.  Doug Weller  talk 13:18, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Isn't the current statement about 200,000 years also just local research of what random contributors thought to be logical? No cites and odd edits from one dim wording into other. 84.50.190.130 (talk) 14:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC). Agree. The current statement “It is almost certainly less than the age of either the Y-MRCA or the mt-MRCA, estimated at around 200,000 years.” would have one thinking the MRCA is on the order of 200,000 YA when both modeling (Chang et al) and genetic results from Europe (Ralph and Coop), the best data we have, indicate MUCH closer timeframes. The article should reflect this.

Also used in evolution of tumour cell lines within one cancer/patient
MRCA is Also used in evolution of tumour cell lines/clones within one cancer/patient  - Rod57 (talk) 13:12, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Human MRCA "almost certainly lived in East Asia"?
This doesn't seem accurate. And the statement is not even supported by the one (I would argue low-quality) source. Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 12:07, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Why was this revision undone>

 * "The MRCA of all humans alive today almost certainly" https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Most_recent_common_ancestor&oldid=959975986

The "alive today" was reverted. The stated reason was that "Article is about scientific view, not religious one", but that doesn't make any sense at all. Nearly all scientific studies that discuss MRCA are considering only people alive today, which is why that qualifier was added. See for example here: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature02842. Note that I am a scientist and published on this topic. Sswamida (talk) 00:55, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree and apologise as I am the editor who reverted, I am not sure why. However there are problems with the whole paragraph. It appears to be stating one theory as if it is a universally accepted view and the references are unsatisfactory. One is a newspaper, which is not a reliable source for science, and the other is on an unrelated subject. I suggest you re-write the paragraph and add a reliable source.

Thanks. I'll do that when I get a chance, but first want to suggest a larger alteration. MRCA is really not the right term to be using here, because it usually refers to genetic common ancestors, not genealogical common ancestors. In my work, I used the term MRUGA, to mean "most recent universal genealogical ancestor." This makes it possible to tersely and clearly discuss the difference between e.g. the y-MRCA (Y-Chromosomal Adam) and MRUGA (genealogical universal ancestors. So, with your permission, I was want to see about reworking the article with that terminology, making some of these distinctions clear. What do you think? Sswamida (talk) 03:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

 * This would need a discussion involving other editors. I suggest you propose a move using NewName . See Template:Requested move. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:40, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Existence of MRCA not discussed
No reason is given for having a common ancestor. The argument is simple, but has to be included, eg, why could life not have evolved twice on earth? If there is life elsewhere in the universe, is there a common ancestor? Neutron230 (talk) 17:29, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

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Umpire (field hockey)

An umpire in field hockey is a person with the authority to make decisions on a hockey pitch in accordance with the rules of the game. Each match is controlled by two such umpires. In theory they are responsible for decisions taken on their respective half of the field, but practically they "control' on either diagonal half of the field. In many higher-level events, a "reserve umpire" is appointed in addition to the two "field umpires" to act as a back-up in the event of injury or other issue preventing a field umpire from commencing or continuing a match. In World-Level competitions, a video umpire is also appointed in addition to the field and reserve umpires.

Role and positioning

The role of the umpires is to control the match, apply the rules of hockey, uphold a duty of care to the players (keeping the game safe), be the judges of fair play and keep the flow. Each umpire has the primary responsibility for decisions in one half of the field, and is the only one allowed to award a penalty corner, penalty stroke or goal in their half of the field or a free hit in their circle (see diagram). However, they may consult with their colleague before making these decisions. They must also ensure that the correct amount of time is allowed for the match and record the scoring of goals and issuing of penalty cards to players. Similarly to football referees, most decisions are signalled using a whistle (and the use of the whistle is specifically instructed in the Rules), and the use of various hand signals.

Originally their half of the field was taken to coincide with the two halves of the pitch as divided by the halfway line. Now the division is generally taken to run down the diagonal of the pitch, from top left to bottom right in the accompanying pitch diagram. For breaches of the rules bordering the umpires' 'area of control', jurisdiction is generally given to whichever umpire the play is coming towards. When play is in and around their shooting circle, the umpire will generally take up a position in the shooting circle, particularly if play has come from the further side of the pitch, and when play is more in the middle of the pitch will be closer to the right-hand sideline (facing the goal for which they are responsible). Positioning in the shooting circle is critical as correct decisions are necessary here to maintain the control of the match as well as the outcome. Exact positioning will be determined by the need to keep the ball in view, the desire to be reasonably close to the ball and the relative pace of the game. The preferred position of most umpires is behind and to the right of the play as the lead umpire, whilst the other umpire (the trailing umpire) is around 15 m behind at a 45-degree angle with the engaged umpire.

History
The early history of hockey officiating is quite similar to that of football refereeing: decisions could only be made on appeal by the players (compare with cricket where this is still the case for some decisions); and if no dedicated official was available the team captain could act as an umpire in addition to playing. Over time it has come to be desirable that the umpires should be neutral, although many matches are still played with one umpire from each club involved in the game.

Uniform
Umpires are required by the Rules to wear clothing of "similar colours to one another, but different from those of both teams".

In practice, umpires appointed by their Association, National body or the FIH wear black slacks (male) or a black skirt with knee-high black socks (female). In club competitions, particularly in colder climates, females often adopt the black pants instead of a skirt. Each competition has its own approved umpiring shirt, sometimes with various colour options and sometimes with different shirts for different competition divisions (for example, the premier league may have a different shirt to the remainder of the competition).

In February 2012, Grays International became the new supplier of official's uniforms (including umpiring shirts) for FIH competitions, replacing TK. Grays manufacture three colours of umpire shirts for international matches - red, yellow and blue. Previous colours used by the FIH include cerise, turquoise and yellow (circa 2005) and fuchsia, turquoise and purple (circa 2000).

Video umpires
In FIH World-Level competitions, where facilities are available, a video umpire is appointed in addition to the field and reserve umpires. The scope of the video umpire's role is restricted to making decisions as to whether or not a goal has been legally scored. To this end, the video umpire may assist in decisions to determine: Decisions may be referred to the video umpire upon the request of a player of either team, or directly by a field umpire. Each team is permitted one video umpire referral per match, which is retained if the referral is successful and forfeited if the referral is unsuccessful. There is no limit to the number of field umpire referrals in a match.
 * whether the ball crossed the goal line (within the area bounded by the goal posts and crossbar);
 * whether the ball was legally played or touched inside the circle by the stick of an attacker and did not travel outside the circle before passing completely over the goal-line and under the cross-bar;
 * whether the ball travelled outside the circle before it entered the goal from a shot by an attacker during the taking of a penalty corner;
 * whether a breach of the Rules has been observed within the attacking 23 metre area in the play leading to the awarding or disallowing of a goal. It is then for the Match Umpire to take any breach into account in reaching their decision.

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The Mike Douglas Show

The Mike Douglas Show is an American daytime television talk show that was hosted by Mike Douglas. It began as a local program in Cleveland in 1961 before being carried on other stations owned by Westinghouse Broadcasting. The show went into national syndication and was moved to Philadelphia in 1965. The program ran until 1981. It was distributed by Westinghouse Broadcasting, and for much of its run, originated from studios at two of the company's TV stations in Cleveland and Philadelphia.

History in Cleveland
The Mike Douglas Show premiered on KYW-TV in Cleveland on December 11, 1961, and featured a mix of light banter with guests and musical performances, along with more serious interviews with prominent newsmakers. Local entertainment shows were popular in the early days of television. Joining Douglas as part of the everyday lineup was the Ellie Frankel Trio, a local jazz group. Instead of an opening comedic monologue (as was the case with The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson, for example), Douglas, given his vocalist background, would begin each show by singing a popular song for the audience. Each week would have a different co-host who would appear every day with Douglas.

The inevitable growing pains of a new program were evident during the first week of shows, when the scheduled co-host, Irish singer Carmel Quinn, missed the first two shows due to a scheduling conflict in New York. In addition, faulty microphones on the inaugural broadcast were coupled with equally problematic chairs that caused a pair of guests to fall off stage.

Some moments of controversy developed in the opening months, including a guest's satirical look at First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy's televised tour of the White House that was criticized for bad taste, and a look at censorship that was to involve the reading of selections from books such as Lady Chatterley's Lover and Tropic of Cancer. The show was postponed until a representative for banning such books could be found.

In February 1963, singer Barbra Streisand was the show's co-host. During that week, she was performing in a local night club, and was asked by the club owner to promote her appearances on The Mike Douglas Show each day. The reason given was that Cleveland newspapers were in the midst of a lengthy labor strike, preventing any consistent advertising. Douglas later said that the station erased the videotapes of Streisand's appearance, as most early television programs did, in order to re-use them for station editorials.

Just a few months later, Douglas had atheist Madalyn Murray as a guest, three days after the U.S. Supreme Court had ruled in her favor in the Abington School District v. Schempp case, which banned mandatory Bible reading in public schools.

In September 1963, The Mike Douglas Show was syndicated to four other television stations owned by Westinghouse: KDKA-TV in Pittsburgh, WBZ-TV in Boston, WJZ-TV in Baltimore and KPIX in San Francisco. Less than one year later, the show had expanded to a total of 27 cities.

On November 22, 1963, Douglas was speaking with Federal Housing Administrator Robert C. Weaver, when station newscaster John Dancy interrupted the live broadcast by walking through the audience in order to give the first reports of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The show soon ended as NBC began its four-day coverage of the tragedy.

On July 23, 1964, comedian Henry Morgan made a brief appearance at the start of the show, but later walked out when Douglas was interviewing Dr. Sam Sheppard, who had been released from prison one week earlier.

History in Philadelphia
In 1965, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) reversed a 1956 station switch, in which NBC strong-armed Westinghouse to move to Cleveland, so it could have a station in the much larger Philadelphia market. With NBC forced to move back to Cleveland, Westinghouse regained control of what had been NBC-owned WRCV-TV in Philadelphia and transferred the KYW-TV callsign there. NBC, which took over the former KYW-TV, subsequently rechristened as WKYC-TV, tried to buy The Mike Douglas Show to keep it in Cleveland. However, it was the only really big moneymaker for Westinghouse's syndication unit at the time, so the show moved with KYW-TV to eastern Pennsylvania in August.

At first, The Mike Douglas Show was broadcast from a 140-seat basement studio located in the WRCV/KYW building at 1619 Walnut Street (see photos on right). It continued to be aired live until the following year when Zsa Zsa Gabor called Morey Amsterdam a "son of a bitch" for interrupting her joke during the April 29, 1966, program. After that, the program aired on a one-day tape delay basis, allowing for the editing out of any objectionable material. Live broadcasts (with a seven-second delay) were attempted only on a few special occasions thereafter, such as when the Philadelphia Flyers won the Stanley Cup.

Future political consultant and Fox News Channel founder and CEO Roger Ailes served as a producer beginning in 1965, then as executive producer from 1967–68. It was while working on the show in 1967 that he met Richard Nixon, with whom he had an off-air discussion about television and politics. Nixon subsequently hired Ailes to work as a media consultant on his 1968 presidential campaign, thus launching Ailes's career as a national political consultant and media strategist.

In July 1972, the show moved to a new studio in the newly constructed KYW-TV studios at 5th and Market streets in Center City Philadelphia. That studio ("Studio A") was the first and only studio especially constructed for the program. While the overall new studio was larger, it accommodated only 120 seats. Ellie Frankel continued as musical director until 1967, when Joe Harnell, an accomplished musician, composer, and bandleader took over the position until 1973. Harnell was followed by Frank Hunter, and the show ended with Joe Massimino in that role.

During much of its time on the air, the show remained strong in ratings, consistently finishing among the most popular daytime television shows nearly every season. Douglas took the success lightly. He made a surprise visit in 1976 to the set of Match Game, a competing program that managed to score higher ratings than The Mike Douglas Show during the mid-1970s. Douglas wanted to congratulate host Gene Rayburn on making his game show the #1 daytime TV program.

The show's run spanned 21 years and more than 4,000 episodes. In 1978, production of the show moved to CBS Television City in Hollywood, where it remained until the end of the show's run in 1981.

In the fall of 1980, Westinghouse dropped Douglas, deciding to give younger entertainer John Davidson the show. Douglas' show continued, with Syndicast taking over the program's distribution. However, in an effort to boost falling ratings during the show's final season, a third of the staff was fired and the program was revamped with a traveling roadshow format, re-titled The Mike Douglas Entertainment Hour. The format change did not help, and Douglas' show was canceled mid-year during the 1981–82 season. The final episode aired on November 30, 1981.

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Rosa glauca

Rosa glauca (syn. Rosa rubrifolia), the red-leaved rose or redleaf rose, is a species of rose native to the mountains of central and southern Europe, from the Spanish Pyrenees east to Bulgaria, and north to Germany and Poland. It is also found as an introduced species as far north as Scandinavia and Finland.

Description
Rosa glauca is a deciduous shrub of sparsely bristled and thorny cinnamon-coloured arching canes 1.5-3 m tall. The leaves are distinctive, a glaucous blue-green to coppery or purplish, and covered with a waxy bloom; they are 5–10 cm long and have 5–9 leaflets. The fragile, clear pink flowers are 2.5–4 cm in diameter, and are produced in clusters of two to five. The fruit is a dark red globose hip 10–15 mm in diameter.

Cultivation and uses
This rose was not widely grown in gardens until the end of the 19th century. The flower petals fall off easily in the spray from watering hoses, as well as from wind and rain. The species is naturalised in northern Europe north of its native range, particularly in Scandinavia.

This plant has gained the Royal Horticultural Society's Award of Garden Merit.

A hybrid with Rosa rugosa has been given the cultivar name 'Carmenetta'.

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Talk:List of United States Marine Corps installations

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"Marine Corps Logistics Base, Albany" is listed as being in New York, maybe this is a joke?

Also, what about Washington DC, and Henderson Hall, and Marine Barracks 8th and I?

Question : what about units in Europe? e.g Stuttgart? 145.253.108.22 16:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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Just added Camp Lemonier, Djibouti
Though command of the Camp was handed over to the Navy in 2006, the Marines remain a presence on the base and provide security. --Petercorless 07:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Organization
I think the organization by location is a bit awkward. I'd like to float this idea: Reorganize by active and closed, then by MCB, MCAS, other bases, reserve locations, and detachments. People can still find locations because each installation lists its city, state/prefecture/province, and country. Thoughts? ''' bahamut0013 ♠  ♣  02:54, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about doing something along the lines of the List of United States Air Force installations. I'll go ahead & throw what I'm doing in my user page for now.WikiMachineGhost (talk) 09:26, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I just finished drafting up the revised list. It can be seen here: User:WikiMachineGhost/sandbox/List_of_United_States_Marine_Corps_installations. It's pretty heavily revised. If I don't see any questions or comments here or on the draft's talk page for a couple of days, I'll go ahead and move it over to here.WikiMachineGhost (talk) 11:24, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * No objections noted, proceeding with transfer. --WikiMachineGhost (talk) 12:37, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Latrobe Gate
What is the Latrobe Gate classified as? (It's four blocks south of the Marine Barracks, Washington, D.C.) Is the barrack located above the gate considered an installation?  APK  that's not my name  10:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * According to the article, it is the entrance to the Washington Navy Yard, and thus part of a Navy installation. The simple prescence of Marines doesn't make it a Marine installation, and given that it is simply a structure on a currently active base, doesn't warrant inclusion on any list of installations (at least, not any more than any other building).  bahamut0013  words deeds   12:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok.  APK  that's not my name  12:39, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Arifjan
I wouldn't considered the camp a USMC facility. It has joint base qualities but is mostly ran by the U.S. Army.--NortyNort (Holla) 22:58, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Coordinates
Curious, why do we have latitude and longitude coordinates of each location? Is this typical in such a list? --Elonka 20:19, 13 March 2022 (UTC)


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User talk:Deane

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Spencer House, Westminster

Spencer House is a historic town house at 27 St James's Place in the St James's area of Westminster, Greater London, England. The house is Grade I listed on the National Heritage List for England.

Early history
The house was commissioned in 1756 by John Spencer (who later became the first Earl Spencer), as he required a large townhouse in London to augment his position and status. The architect he chose was John Vardy, who had studied under William Kent. Vardy is responsible for the facades of the mansion that we see today.

In 1758, James "Athenian" Stuart, who had studied the arcadian values of Ancient Greek architecture, replaced Vardy as the architect of the project. As a direct result of this, Spencer House was to have authentic Greek details in the internal decoration, and thus it became one of the first examples in London of the neoclassical style, which was to sweep the country.

As the home of successive Earls and Countesses Spencer, the staterooms of the house became a theatre for the pageant that was London high society. Members of the Spencer family occupied the mansion continuously until 1895, when the house was let out. The Spencers returned for a brief time during the first quarter of the 20th century, after which the house was let at various times as either a club or offices. During the Blitz of the Second World War, it was stripped of its few remaining authentic treasures, specially made furniture, and fireplaces.

Recent history
Spencer House remains in the ownership of the Earls Spencer, the current freeholder being Charles Spencer, 9th Earl Spencer, brother of Diana, Princess of Wales. However, since the Second World War, the house has been continuously let out. In 1948 it was leased to Christie's auctioneers, in 1956 to the British Oxygen Company, and in 1963 to the Economist Intelligence Unit.

On 25 December 1986, RIT Capital Partners, the family company of Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild, secured a 96-year lease (with an additional 24-year option) with an annual rent of £85,000.

In a restoration, the state rooms and garden were returned to their original appearance. The lease of Spencer House was valued at £35 million in the 2017 annual report of RIT Capital Partners.

Together with Lancaster House, Bridgewater House, Dudley House and Apsley House, Spencer House is one of the last of the many aristocratic townhouses which once adorned central London.

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Membership of the Royal Colleges of Physicians of the United Kingdom

Membership of the Royal Colleges of Physicians of the United Kingdom (MRCP(UK)) is a postgraduate medical diploma in the United Kingdom (UK). The examinations are run by the Federation of the Medical Royal Colleges – the Royal College of Physicians of London, the Royal College of Physicians of Edinburgh, and the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow. The three Royal Colleges of Physicians share this common three part assessment in general medicine which consists of two written parts and one clinical examination. Examinations are held throughout the UK and in overseas centres.

Holders of the MRCP(UK) can subscribe as "collegiate members" to any or all of the three UK Royal Colleges of Physicians. Thus the MRCP(UK) qualification has replaced the former MRCP(Lon), MRCP(E), and MRCP(G) qualifications. (Similarly, the MRCS is also now intercollegiate.)

There is a separate MRCPI qualification, run by the Royal College of Physicians of Ireland, based in Dublin in the Republic of Ireland.

History
The three Royal Colleges of Physicians have been holding membership examinations for many years. In the London College the Censors, helped by other examiners, had the duty to carry out the assessment of candidates and advise the College. The MRCP (London) examination began in 1859 with a numerical marking system devised in 1893. In the late 1960s the need to have a single recognized membership examination throughout the United Kingdom was recognized. Such an examination made it unnecessary for junior doctors to enter several membership examinations and removed the suggestion that the standards of the examination at the three Colleges were different.

Aims and content
The exam incorporates both examination of the candidate's knowledge of basic medical sciences as well as testing the clinical skills required for the diagnosis and management of disease. Changes to the exam in recent years have put more emphasis on communication skills and professionalism. Obtaining the "MRCP(UK)" is a prerequisite to anyone wishing to go on to a specialist training post as a Physician in the United Kingdom. Various companies, including the Royal Colleges themselves, have developed preparatory courses that focus on the nature of the questions and the required background knowledge.

In partnership with the relevant specialist societies, the three UK Royal Colleges have set up the MRCP Specialist Examinations Unit responsible for the organization of new knowledge based assessments. The ultimate objective is to ensure that NHS consultants have demonstrated their acquisition of sufficient knowledge in their chosen specialty to practice safely and competently. This will bring the assessment of physicians in training in the UK into line with those training in North America, where most specialist trainees sit a specialist examination as a further test of excellence, usually after having acquired certification in Internal Medicine.

Parts
The MRCP exam has three parts: MRCP Part 1 (written paper); MRCP Part 2 (written paper); and MRCP Part 2 Clinical Examination (PACES).

The MRCP part 1 examination consists of multiple choice questions in the best of five format. Starting from September 2019 MRCP part 1 exam will be available in USA.

The MRCP part 2 examination consists of multiple choice questions in the best of five format.

The MRCP PACES examination consists of a carousel with 5 stations that were updated in 2023.

 * Station 1: Tests the candidate's communication and ability to examine the respiratory system.
 * Station 2: Tests the candidate's consultation skills.
 * Station 3: Tests the candidate's ability to examine the cardiovascular system and perform a neurological examination.
 * Station 4: Tests the candidate's communication skills and the ability to perform abdominal examination.
 * Station 5: Comprises a brief clinical consultation requiring the candidate to take a focused history and examination, formulate a differential diagnosis and management plan, and communicate the plan to the patient.

Countries hosting PACES
The MRCP PACES examination is held not only in the United Kingdom, but also in many other parts of the world. Hosting sites include Brunei, Dubai, Al Ain, Egypt, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, India, Pakistan, Singapore, Malaysia, Malta, Hong Kong, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Kenya and Sudan. Examination fees at centres outside the UK are significantly higher than at UK centres.

In Singapore, the MRCP(UK) and MMed are often taken together. In Hong Kong, MRCP(UK) is taken with MHKCP intermediate examination.

Fees
At present, the examination cost is £1495 from start to finish if all parts are taken in the UK and £2390 if are taken overseas  - assuming each examination is passed in a single attempt without attending any courses. Candidates may elect to participate in any of a number of training courses, online revision websites or use mobile applications as revision aids to improve their chances of passing.


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West Chester, Ohio

West Chester, Ohio, can refer to:

 * West Chester Township, Butler County, Ohio, a civil township of southwestern Ohio
 * Olde West Chester, Ohio, the original settlement that gave its name to the township
 * West Chester, Tuscarawas County, Ohio, an unincorporated community in Tuscarawas County

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