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It's a Shame About Ray

It's a Shame About Ray is the fifth album by American alternative rock band the Lemonheads, released on June 2, 1992. The album was produced by the Robb Brothers. At the time of principal recording, the band consisted of Evan Dando (lead vocals, guitar), Juliana Hatfield (bass, backing vocals) and David Ryan (drums). Though not originally on the album, the band's cover of Simon & Garfunkel's "Mrs. Robinson" was added to the album in later pressings after it had become a major worldwide radio hit, and it features a later lineup of the band with Nic Dalton on bass.

History
The title track was inspired by a quote that band leader Evan Dando had seen in a Sydney newspaper in reference to a kid called Ray who kept getting kicked out of every school he went to.

The album became an international hit for the band, reaching #31 in the UK Top 100 as well as #5 on the Modern Rock Tracks chart in the U.S. The song was later included at #138 on Pitchfork's "Top 200 Tracks of the 90s" list. The music video features Johnny Depp.

Actress Polly Noonan and her car appear on the cover of the album.

Rereleases
After its initial release, the album was reissued with a cover of the song "Mrs. Robinson", written by Paul Simon and originally recorded by Simon & Garfunkel. The Lemonheads' version was recorded to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the release of the film The Graduate. The band recorded the song in Berlin while on tour, with Nic Dalton on bass guitar. It was released as a single.

The album was reissued by Rhino in 2008 as a collector's edition that includes several demo versions of album tracks, the B-side song "Shaky Ground" and a DVD containing the previously released (on VHS) Two Weeks in Australia.

Notable performances
The Lemonheads toured Australia in late 2010, playing the album in its entirety along with songs from their other albums.

The band performed the entire album at London's Shepherd's Bush Empire on September 14–15, 2005, as part of the All Tomorrow's Parties–curated Don't Look Back concert series, with "Mrs. Robinson" missing from the setlist.

The band performed the album in its entirety while opening for certain dates of Jawbreaker's 2022 spring tour.

Track listing
All songs by Evan Dando unless otherwise stated.
 * 1) "Rockin Stroll" - 1:48
 * 2) "Confetti" - 2:47
 * 3) "It's a Shame About Ray" (words: Dando, Tom Morgan; music: Dando) - 3:08
 * 4) "Rudderless" - 3:21
 * 5) "My Drug Buddy"- 2:52
 * 6) "The Turnpike Down" - 2:34
 * 7) "Bit Part" (studio version) (words: Dando, Morgan; music: Dando) - 1:52
 * 8) "Alison's Starting to Happen" - 2:00
 * 9) "Hannah & Gabi" - 2:41
 * 10) "Kitchen" (Nic Dalton) - 2:55
 * 11) "Ceiling Fan in My Spoon" - 2:00
 * 12) "Frank Mills" (James Rado, Gerome Ragni, Galt MacDermot) - 1:45
 * Re-release bonus track
 * 1) "Mrs. Robinson" (Paul Simon) - 3:45

 * Bonus material
 * 1) "Shaky Ground" (B-side) - 1:49
 * 2) "It's a Shame About Ray" (demo version) - 2:57
 * 3) "Rockin Stroll" (demo version) - 1:49
 * 4) "My Drug Buddy" (demo version) - 2:47
 * 5) "Hannah & Gabi" (demo version) - 2:27
 * 6) "Kitchen" (demo version) - 3:13
 * 7) "Bit Part" (demo version) - 1:55
 * 8) "Rudderless" (demo version) - 3:21
 * 9) "Ceiling Fan in My Spoon" (demo version) - 2:18
 * 10) "Confetti" (demo version) - 1:16

Personnel

 * The Lemonheads
 * Evan Dando – guitar, vocals
 * Juliana Hatfield – bass guitar, backup vocals
 * David Ryan – drums
 * Nic Dalton – bass guitar on "Mrs. Robinson"
 * Jeff "Skunk" Baxter – slide guitar on "Hannah & Gabi"

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Mrs. R cover on DVD of Graduate 25th Anniversary release?
After its initial release, the album was re-issued with a cover of "Mrs. Robinson", originally by Simon & Garfunkel, which was released as a single, recorded to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the release of the movie The Graduate, for which the song and video appeared in the dvd release.

 * The Graduate - 1967
 * 1967+25 = 1992
 * DVD - invented 1995

Can we get some clarification on whether the song was on the 25th anniversary VHS of The Graduate, or was it included on a later edition actually on DVD? KConWiki (talk) 05:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Track Listing #5
on my copy of this album, track 5 is just listed as "buddy", not "my drug buddy". is this significant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.77.80.237 (talk) 20:41, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

According my collector's edition(2008), track 5 is "My Drug Buddy". In the Allmusic review(reference 1), it says: As Dando approached stardom, the album was repressed again with the title of "My Drug Buddy" truncated to "Buddy." It was later restored to its original title. So I think the track list is alright. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silentsilen (talk • contribs) 08:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

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New Forest pony

The New Forest pony is one of the recognised mountain and moorland or native pony breeds of the British Isles. Height varies from around ; ponies of all heights should be strong, workmanlike, and of a good riding type. They are valued for hardiness, strength, and sure-footedness.

The breed is indigenous to the New Forest in Hampshire in southern England. DNA studies have shown ancient shared ancestry with the Celtic-type Asturcón and Pottok ponies. Many breeds have contributed to the foundation bloodstock of the New Forest pony, but today only ponies whose parents are both registered as purebred in the approved section of the stud book may be registered as purebred. The New Forest pony can be ridden by children and adults, can be driven in harness, and competes successfully against larger horses in horse show competition.

All ponies grazing on the New Forest are owned by New Forest commoners – people who have "rights of common of pasture" over the Forest lands. An annual marking fee is paid for each animal turned out to graze. The population of ponies on the Forest has fluctuated in response to varying demand for young stock. Numbers fell to fewer than six hundred in 1945, but have since risen steadily, and thousands now run loose in semi-feral conditions. The welfare of ponies grazing on the Forest is monitored by five Agisters, employees of the Verderers of the New Forest. Each Agister takes responsibility for a different area of the Forest. The ponies are gathered annually in a series of drifts, to be checked for health, wormed, and they are tail-marked; each pony's tail is trimmed to the pattern of the Agister responsible for that pony. Purebred New Forest stallions approved by the Breed Society and by the New Forest Verderers run out on the Forest with the mares for a short period each year. Many of the foals bred on the Forest are sold through the Beaulieu Road pony sales, which are held several times each year.

Characteristics

Standards for the breed are stipulated by the New Forest Pony Breeding and Cattle Society. The maximum height allowed is. Although there is no minimum height standard, in practice New Forest ponies are seldom less than. In shows, they normally are classed in two sections: competition height A, 138 cm and under; and competition height B, over 138 cm. New Forest ponies should be of riding type, workmanlike, and strong in conformation, with a sloping shoulder and powerful hindquarters; the body should be deep, and the legs straight with strong, flat bone, and hard, rounded hooves. Larger ponies, although narrow enough in the barrel for small children to ride comfortably, are also capable of carrying adults. Smaller ponies may not be suitable for heavier riders, but they often have more show quality. The New Forest pony has free, even gaits, active and straight, but not exaggerated, and is noted for sure-footedness, agility, and speed.

The ponies are most commonly bay, chestnut, or grey. Few coat colours are excluded: piebald, skewbald, and blue-eyed cream are not allowed; palomino and very light chestnut are only accepted by the stud book as geldings and mares. Blue eyes are never accepted. White markings on the head and lower legs are allowed, unless they appear behind the head, above the point of the hock in the hind leg, or above the metacarpal bone at the bend in the knee in the foreleg. Ponies failing to pass these standards may not be registered in the purebred section of the stud book, but are recorded in the appendix, known as the X-register. The offspring of these animals may not be registered as purebred New Forest ponies, as the stud book is closed and only the offspring of purebred-approved registered ponies may be registered as purebred.

New Forest ponies have a gentle temperament and a reputation for intelligence, strength, and versatility. On the whole, they are a sturdy and hardy breed. The one known hereditary genetic disorder found in the breed is congenital myotonia, a muscular condition also found in humans, dogs, cats, and goats. It was identified in the Netherlands in 2009, after a clinically affected foal was presented to the Equine Clinic of Utrecht University. DNA sequencing revealed that the affected foal was homozygous for a missense mutation in the gene encoding CLCN1, a protein which regulates the excitability of the skeletal muscle. The mutated allele was found in both the foal's parents, its siblings, and two other related animals, none of whom exhibited any clinical signs. The researchers concluded that the condition has an autosomal recessive mode of inheritance, whereby both parents have to contribute the mutated allele for a physically affected foal to be produced with that phenotype. The study suggested that the mutation was of relatively recent origin: the founder of the mutated gene, as all the ponies who tested positive for the mutation are direct descendants of this stallion. The probable founder stallion has been identified as Kantje's Ronaldo; testing is now underway to identify which of his offspring carry the mutated gene. All carriers will be removed from the breeding section of the New Forest Pony Breeding & Cattle Society's stud book, and all New Forest stallions licensed in the UK also will be tested, whether or not they descend from Kantje's Ronaldo, to cover the possibility that the mutated gene may have appeared earlier in the pedigree, although it is believed that the mutated gene has now been eradicated from the British breeding stock. All breeding stock imported to the UK also will be tested.

History

Ponies have grazed in the area of the New Forest for many thousands of years, predating the last Ice Age. Spear damage on a horse shoulder bone discovered at Eartham Pit, Boxgrove (about 50 mi from the heart of the modern New Forest), dated 500,000 BC, demonstrates that early humans were hunting horses in the area at that time, and the remains of a large Ice Age hunting camp have been found close to Ringwood (on the western border of the modern New Forest). Evidence from the skeletal remains of ponies from the Bronze Age suggests that they resembled the modern Exmoor pony. Horse bones excavated from Iron Age ritual burial sites at Danebury (about 25 mi from the heart of the modern New Forest), indicate that the animals were approximately – a height similar to that of some of the smaller New Forest ponies of today.

William the Conqueror, who claimed the New Forest as a royal hunting ground, shipped more than two thousand horses across the English Channel when he invaded England in 1066. The earliest written record of horses in the New Forest dates back to that time, when rights of common of pasture were granted to the area's inhabitants. A popular tradition linking the ancestry of the New Forest pony to Spanish horses said to have swum ashore from wrecked ships at the time of the Spanish Armada has, according to the New Forest National Park Authority, "long been accepted as a myth", however, the offspring of Forest mares, probably bred at the Royal Stud in Lyndhurst, were exported in 1507 for use in the Renaissance wars. A genetic study in 1998 suggested that the New Forest pony has ancient shared ancestry with two endangered Spanish Celtic-type pony breeds, the Asturcón and Pottok.

The most notable stallion in the early history of the breed was a Thoroughbred named Marske, the sire of Eclipse, and a great-grandson of the Darley Arabian. Marske was sold to a Ringwood farmer for 20 guineas on the death of Prince William, Duke of Cumberland, and was used to breed with "country mares" in the 1760s.

In the 1850s and 1860s, the quality of the ponies was noted to be declining, a result of poor choice of breeding stallions, and the introduction of Arab to improve the breed was recommended. The census of stock of 1875 reported just under three thousand ponies grazing the Forest, and by 1884 the number had dropped to 2,250. Profits from the sale of young ponies affected the number of mares that commoners bred in subsequent years. The drop in numbers on the Forest may have been a consequence of introducing Arab blood to the breed in the 1870s, resulting in fewer animals suitable for use as pit ponies, or to the increase in the profits from running dairy cattle instead of ponies. The Arab blood may have reduced the ponies' natural landrace hardiness to thrive on the open Forest over winter. Numbers of ponies on the Forest also declined as a result of demand for more refined-looking ponies for riding and driving work prior to the introduction of motor vehicles. Later, the Second World War drove up the demand for, and thus, the market value of, young animals for horse meat.

Founded in 1891, the Society for the improvement of New Forest Ponies organised a stallion show and offered financial incentives to encourage owners of good stallions to run them on the Forest. In 1905 the Burley and District NF Pony Breeding and Cattle Society was set up to start the stud book and organise the Breed Show; the two societies merged in 1937 to form the New Forest Pony Breeding and Cattle Society. Overall numbers of livestock grazing the Forest, including ponies, tended to decline in the early twentieth century; in 1945 there were just 571 ponies depastured. By 1956 the number of ponies of all breeds on the Forest had more than doubled to 1,341. Twenty years later pony numbers were up to 3,589, rising to 4,112 in 1994, before dipping back below four thousand until 2005. As of 2011, there were 4,604 ponies grazing on the New Forest.

In 2014, the Rare Breeds Survival Trust (RBST) conservation charity watch-listed the New Forest pony in its "minority breed" category, given the presence of less than 3,000 breeding females in the forest. Over the course of five years, the number of foals born each year had dropped by two-thirds (from 1,563 to just 423 in 2013) – a change attributed by The New Forest Pony Breeding and Cattle Society to a declining market, and by the New Forest Verderers to steps that had been taken to improve the quality rather than the quantity of foals.

For a variety of reasons, including normal trade in the area and attempts to improve the breed, Arabian, Thoroughbred, Welsh pony, and Hackney blood had been added to ponies in the New Forest. Over time, however, the better-quality ponies were sold off, leaving the poorer-quality and less hardy animals as the Forest breeding stock. To address this situation, as well as to increase the stock's hardiness and restore native type, in the early twentieth century animals from other British native mountain and moorland pony breeds such as the Fell, Dales, Highland, Dartmoor, and Exmoor were introduced to the Forest. This practice ended in 1930, and since that time, only purebred New Forest stallions may be turned out. The New Forest Pony Breeding and Cattle Society has been publishing the stud book since 1960. New Forest ponies have been exported to many parts of the world, including Canada, the U.S., Europe, and Australia, and many countries now have their own breed societies and stud books.

Uses
In the past, smaller ponies were used as pit ponies. Today the New Forest pony and related crossbreeds are still the "working pony of choice" for local farmers and commoners, as their sure-footedness, agility, and sound sense will carry them (and their rider) safely across the varied and occasionally hazardous terrain of the open Forest, sometimes at great speed, during the autumn drifts. New Forest ponies also are used today for gymkhanas, show jumping, cross-country, dressage, driving, and eventing.

The ponies can carry adults and in many cases compete on equal terms with larger equines while doing so. For example, in 2010, the New Forest Pony Enthusiasts Club (NFPEC), a registered riding club whose members compete only on purebred registered New Forest ponies, won the Quadrille competition at the London International Horse Show at Olympia. This was a significant win, as the British Riding Clubs Quadrille is a national competition, with only four teams from the whole of Britain selected to compete at the National Final.

Ponies on the New Forest
The ponies grazing the New Forest are considered to be iconic. They, together with the cattle, donkeys, pigs, and sheep owned by commoners' (local people with common grazing rights), are called "the architects of the Forest": it is the grazing and browsing of the commoners' animals over a thousand years which created the New Forest ecosystem as it is today.

The cattle and ponies living on the New Forest are not completely feral, but are owned by commoners, who pay an annual fee for each animal turned out. The animals are looked after by their owners and by the Agisters employed by the Verderers of the New Forest. The Verderers are a statutory body with ancient roots, who share management of the forest with the Forestry Commission and National park authority. Approximately 80 per cent of the animals depastured on the New Forest are owned by just 10 per cent of the commoning families.

Ponies living full-time on the New Forest are almost all mares, although there are also a few geldings. For much of the year the ponies live in small groups, usually consisting of an older mare, her daughters, and their foals, all keeping to a discrete area of the Forest called a "haunt." Under New Forest regulations, mares and geldings may be of any breed. Although the ponies are predominantly New Foresters, other breeds such as Shetlands and their crossbred descendants may be found in some areas.

Stallions must be registered New Foresters, and are not allowed to run free all year round on the Forest. They normally are turned out only for a limited period in the spring and summer, when they gather several groups of mares and youngstock into larger herds and defend them against other stallions. A small number (usually fewer than 50) are turned out, generally between May and August. This ensures that foals are born neither too early (before the spring grass is coming through), nor too late (as the colder weather is setting in and the grazing and browsing on the Forest is dying back) in the following year.

Colts are assessed as two-year-olds by the New Forest Pony Breeding and Cattle Society for suitability to be kept as stallions; any animal failing the assessment must be gelded. Once approved, every spring (usually in March), the stallions must pass the Verderers' assessment before they are permitted onto the Forest to breed. The stallion scheme resulted in a reduction of genetic diversity in the ponies running out on the New Forest, and to counteract this and preserve the hardiness of Forest-run ponies, the Verderers introduced the Bloodline Diversity Project, which will use hardy Forest-run mares, mostly over eleven years old, bred to stallions that have not been run out on the Forest, or closely related to those that have.

Drifts to gather the animals are carried out in autumn. Most colts and some fillies are removed, along with any animals considered too "poor" to remain on the Forest over the winter. The remaining fillies are branded with their owner's mark, and many animals are wormed. Many owners choose to remove a number of animals from the Forest for the winter, turning them out again the following spring. Animals surplus to their owner's requirements often are sold at the Beaulieu Road Pony Sales, run by the New Forest Livestock Society. Tail hair of the ponies is trimmed, and cut into a recognisable pattern to show that the pony's grazing fees have been paid for the year. Each Agister has his own "tail-mark", indicating the area of the Forest where the owner lives. The Agisters keep a constant watch over the condition of the Forest-running stock, and an animal may be "ordered off" the Forest at any time. The rest of the year, the lives of the ponies are relatively unhindered unless they need veterinary attention or additional feeding, when they are usually taken off the Forest.

The open nature of the New Forest means that ponies are able to wander onto roads. The ponies actually have right of way over vehicles and many wear reflective collars in an effort to reduce traffic fatalities, but despite this, many ponies, along with commoners' cattle, pigs, and donkeys are killed or injured in road traffic accidents every year. Human interaction with ponies is also a problem; well meaning but misguided visitors to the forest frequently feed them, which can create dietary problems and sickness (e.g. colic) and cause the ponies to adopt an aggressive attitude in order to obtain human food.

New Forest ponies are raced in an annual point to point meeting in the Forest, usually on Boxing Day, finishing at a different place each year. The races do not have a fixed course, but instead are run across the open Forest, so competitors choose their own routes around obstructions such as inclosures (forestry plantations), fenced paddocks, and bogs. Riders with a detailed knowledge of the Forest are thus at an advantage. The location of the meeting place is given to competitors on the previous evening, and the starting point of the race is revealed once riders have arrived at the meeting point.

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Kriss Kross

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 * A variation of a Fill-In word puzzle
 * "Kriss Kross" (song), a 2008 single by multinational band Guillemots

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Kings of Sleep

Kings of Sleep is the second solo album released by bassist Stuart Hamm. It was released on June 19, 1989 on Relativity Records.

The title of the album and many of the songs were inspired by the novels and short stories of William Gibson, including Neuromancer ("Black Ice" and "Terminal Beach" are both references from that novel), Count Zero (referring to the name of the novel as well as the hacker handle of one of the protagonists), and the short story The Winter Market (Kings of Sleep is the name of a fictional stim-album in that story).

Track listing
All songs written by Stuart Hamm, except where noted.
 * 1) "Black Ice" – 4:23
 * 2) "Surely the Best" – 5:19
 * 3) "Call of the Wild" – 4:41
 * 4) "Terminal Beach" – 3:57
 * 5) "Count Zero" – 4:13
 * 6) "I Want to Know" – 5:39
 * 7) "Prelude in C" (J.S. Bach) – 2:30
 * 8) "Kings of Sleep" (Kim Bullard & Stuart Hamm) – 8:23

Personnel

 * Stuart Hamm - Bass guitar
 * Harry Cody (musician) - Electric Guitar on "Surely the Best", "Call of the Wild", "Count Zero" and "Kings of Sleep"
 * Buzzy Feiten - Electric Guitar on "Black Ice" and "I Want to Know"
 * Jonathan Mover - Drums
 * Amy Knoles - Percussion
 * Scott Collard - Keyboards
 * Dick Zimmerman - Photography
 * David Bett - Art Direction
 * Stuart Hamm - Producer

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Talk:List of places in Berkshire

Ashford
Anybody know why there is an entry for Ashford in this list. And if so where it is?.

According to my Phillips Gazeteer of Britain, there are plenty of places called Ashford, but none of them are in Berkshire. There is a village or hamlet called 'Ashford Hill' just over the border in Hampshire, and judging by one or two googled web pages, it looks like postal addresses in that place take the form 'xyz, Ashford Hill, Thatcham, Berkshire'; but that of course is saying that Thatcham is in Berkshire, not Ashford Hill. -- Chris j wood 18:54, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Hello Chris - About time I said hello. Looking back at the page history, I think both these 'towns' must have been / were included during my edits. I was attempting to add current Berkshire placenames to this list, although I have been adding historical Berkshire placenames, e.g. Abingdon, etc., to the Berkshire category. (e.g. Slough appears as both category Buckinghamshire and Berkshire). Most of my sources were online gazeteers, e.g. Streetmap, the Internet generally and the Berkshire Atlas - out of reach at the moment. Looking again, I agree with you that these towns should not be present on a list of current placenames, and would not object if you removed them. I found a New Ashford in Berkshire County, USA, but would have spotted this and I don't think this was my source. Thanks for your diligence in this editing, Ian Cairns 19:18, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Removed -- Chris j wood 21:26, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Aston Tirrold
The only Aston Tirrold I can find references to is in Oxfordshire, although probably it was in Berkshire pre-1972. However this page seems only to list current places (ie. it doesn't list the pre-1972 county town of Abingdon). Any ideas why it is here?. -- Chris j wood 18:54, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * See above comments. Ian Cairns 19:18, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Removed -- Chris j wood 21:26, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Please add this template to all villages/towns/cities:

I have been adding it to as many as possible, but as only ~5% of the pages have actually been made it is too big a task for me to do all of them.

please link to the 2001 census in 'external links' thanks
 * Grid reference, post code, lat/long can be found at http://www.multimap.com/
 * Population and dwellings are found at http://www.westberks.gov.uk/WestBerkshire/services.nsf/Public/AllServices/9202C5FEE8D3E93780256DD400426149?OpenDocument

To add this template, 'edit' this page, then copy and paste the table into the correct article. thanks Bluemoose 10:55, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I like what they've done over at List of places on the Isle of Wight, which contains places of interest as well as settlements. Also, instead of ordering it by A->Z, perhaps ordering it by districts and then 'towns'/'villages', anybody object if I do that? -- Joolz 19:22, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * No problem with adding places of interest. I do have something of an issue with not ordering A->Z, as I don't think most users know what district many places are in, and so non-alphabetic ordering makes the list harder to use. If we want to list places in districts, I suggest that we do that in a separate parrallel set of list articles. -- Chris j wood 19:33, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

List
This (temporary) section lists all the settlements that need to be input into the #Other settlements section of the article. [ cycle~ ] (talk), 23:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ Done (see history for list). Cycle~ (talk) 01:20, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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Capital Name
I assume Laascaanood is the same as Las Anod since this news article mentions the capital of Sool with a kind of similar name. I mentioned it in the main article and created a redirect for it.

"Las Anod is the capital of Sool, which both regions claim, along with neighbouring Sanaag." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard Cane (talk • contribs) 18:18, 31 October 2004 (UTC)

LASSAANOD IS CITY IN SOMALIAND, BUT MOST IT PUPOLATION ARE AFAR —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.67.142.171 (talk • contribs) 16:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

October 2007
Since October 15, various editors have changed the article to show Las Anod as being under the jurisdiction of Somaliland, Puntland, or Somalia. The Somaliland claim is the only one accompanied by an attribution and so I have reverted to that version of the article. If you believe this information is incorrect then please cite sources to the contrary. Thank you. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 19:11, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Laasanod is currently the administrative capital of SSC khamtumo state of somalia. it has nothing to do with somaliland or puntland. please rectify and type Lasanod capital of Khatumo state 197.156.137.136 (talk) 10:08, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

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I am copying the following discussion from my user talk page to this article's talk page. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

January 2008
Las Anod (Laascaanood) is a capitol of Sool State of Somalia. The population of this city is between 100,000 and 150,000. is you need prove contact the UN. it's not part of Somaliland because no such entity is recognises by any world body. Aslo the people are called Dhulbahante and not AfAr as mentioned in one of the above entries. --Libaaxy (talk) 16:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If the UN can corroborate the population number, then feel free to provide a citation. As for the disputed status or non-status of Somaliland, please see my earlier comments under "October 2007." Thanks! -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

LAS ANOD IS A TOWN IN SOMALILAND'S REGION OF SOOL, ITS JUST BEEN LIBERATED FROM THE PUNTLAND MILITIA. OFCOURSE THERE ARE ELEMENTS WITHIN THE DHULBAHANTE CLAN WHO SIDES WITH PUNTLAND, BUT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THE REGION FEEL THEY ARE PART OF SOMALILAND.

THE POPULATION NUMBER IS WELL EXAGIRATED, ABOUT 20 000 TO 30 000 PEOPLE LIVE IN LAS ANOD. A POPULATION OF 100 000 OR MORE CANNOT LIVE IN SUCH A SMALL TOWN WITH NO HIGH RISE BUILIDNGS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.241.246 (talk) 19:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

 * No the people are a part of SOMALIA and not a part of an oppressive and violent Somaliland EditorSom (talk) 23:15, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

This is true. There is no WAY Las Anod has 250,000 people-- that is what the UN estimates as Bosasso's population. The entire Somali population is probably under 10m. 76.68.36.206 (talk) 04:11, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Again, attribution would be useful. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

POV tag
This concerns POV tag cleanup. Whenever an POV tag is placed, it is necessary to also post a message in the discussion section stating clearly why it is thought the article does not comply with POV guidelines, and suggestions for how to improve it. This permits discussion and consensus among editors. This is a drive-by tag, which is discouraged in WP, and it shall be removed. Future tags should have discussion posted as to why the tag was placed, and how the topic might be improved. Better yet, edit the topic yourself with the improvements. This statement is not a judgement of content, it is only a cleanup of frivolously and/or arbitrarily placed tags. No discussion, no tag.Jjdon (talk) 23:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Ghost town
On 13 May 2009 IP editor 65.93.166.24 added the sentence: However, since Somaliland has taken control of the city it has virtually become a ghost town since civilians got displaced during the take over. Since the inhabitants were mostly members of the Darod clan which has close ties to Puntland, it is not surprising that this might happen, but can anyone find a source? --Bejnar (talk) 21:52, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Las Anod
@:NastradamusNas, why are you vandalising the page? Las Anod is not disputed. You can look at the Sool page, In the summary it says: The city has been under full control of Somaliland for over 10 years; "In 2007, forces from Somaliland assumed control of the region". There is no other administration in Las Anod. Koodbuur (talk) 18:49, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

@:Koodbuur, Why are you lying about the location of this city? The Dhulbahante people of Northern Somalia will never accept the secession Somaliland.The Dhulbahante occupy Sool, Sanaag and Ayn regions of Northern Somalia, which covers half of the territory that has been dubbed as Somaliland. They are staunch supporters of a united Somalia have formed their own autonomy region called Khaatumo which has pledged allegiance to the Somali Federal Government. They have their own president called Professor A noli Khaliif Galaydh, a former prime minister of Somalia, and are based in Buhodle town, Ayn region. This is the birth place of the Dervish movement which fought for Somalia independence. Please keep your political ideology to yourself. You are not stating facts but opinions. Control of the territory is disputed between Khatumo State (SSC) and the autonomous region of Puntland and the "self declared" autonomous state of Somaliland. Please refer to the Khatumo State page. Thanks. NastradamusNas (talk) 19:51, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Please back your assertions. There are no sources that indicate that Las Anod is under the control of Khatumo group. Koodbuur (talk) 21:53, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

 * Las Anod is a town in Somalia, can you please stop vandalising the article. The fact that the city is under Isaaq occupation does not make it part of the Somaliland clan enclave of Somalia. I will not ask again!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cagadhiig (talk • contribs) 16:50, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 May 2018
Assadbomar (talk) 05:30, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

lasanod is a part of somali city is and it capital city of sool region, and it is part of somalia not somali land , it is also disputed area between somali land and pun land region. punt land region is a part of federal government of somali. somalia has sitting president. so we need to clarify, this page is has misleading informotion and should be available for editing for the viewers so they get honest and fact information.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:36, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Somaliland
Laascanood inhabitants don't align with somaliland nor is it a country? Wikipedia should differentiate actual country and claims from internationally unrecognised puppet states Hurbad (talk) 10:13, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Disruptive edits.
@ Dabaqabad once again you're resulting to disruptive editing as you have done in the Dhulbahante article. |Here |here. The text added on this article is relevant for readers and cited from reliable sources. Please do not remove it again. Whether a stable version of this article existed or not is not for you to determine, anyone who adheres to the rules of Wikipedia can contribute to the article. If you have any other issue you can engage here on the talk page.

Moreover, you have deleted cited text again |HERE, I can't keep reminding you. Shirshore (talk) 18:08, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Again, I never deleted any cited text but rather moved it to its appropriate section. Somaliland has had full control over the city since October 2007, including governance as well as services. To call the situation "contentious" is not true if that's the case. Your edits fit better in the "Territorial dispute" section that seems to be a bit short and has plenty of room for expansion. Please show me where I deleted cited content?

 * As for your second part about popular support; I checked both citations and none of them back up your claim, or even mention such a thing. You can only add content that is supported by reliable sources. I advise you to beware from POV editing as well, not saying that you are but still, an offense that you have been blocked for previously. Dabaqabad (talk) 18:23, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Hi @ Shirshore,

 * I have reverted your edit in the introductory section as the content is already present within the "Territorial dispute" section on the page. There is also a link to the main article Puntland–Somaliland dispute. I can see no reason for it to be mentioned again within the introduction.

 * Many thanks Jacob300 (talk) 18:24, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

 * @Jacob300 and Dabaqabad, I'm aware that Somaliland currently controls the city. The edit informs off the territorial dispute between Somaliland and Puntland and the popular demands amongst the local inhabitants to remain part of Somalia. As the centre of this highly contested region, it is imperative that the introduction to the article addresses the dispute and the political allegiance of the local people. This has been a defining feature of the city in recent history. A brief mention of the city's disputed locality is not sufficient for an introduction. There are abundant reliable publications that can be cited to inform readers of the issues.Shirshore (talk) 18:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Arguments like popular demands are very vague and are very hard to prove, and is irrelevant to the situation on the ground since inhabitants of one area are not one monolith. For the sake of your argument, recently the Somali flag as well as a portrait of Somalia's president Farmaajo was burned in Laascaanood while in another case the flag of Puntland was burned by protestors  while yet again countless people attended celebrations of Somaliland's independence day this year, as well as 2015  and 2018 . Another case is the recent elections where many of Las Anod's residents voted.

 * The dispute obviously needs to be covered, however it already has its very own section dedicated to it, which has explained it perfectly and on which you are more than happy to improve so long as it is free of bias and is cited, and where I put the content you added even though you accused me of removing it. There's no need to keep mentioning it again and again within the introduction, which is dedicated to the town itself and would constitute WP:WEIGHT. Dabaqabad (talk) 20:39, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * @Dabaqabad, First, I'm not here to debate or "prove" any point, original research is not allowed on Wikipedia. My intention is to cite widely available literature in academic journals, reports and reliable news sources. This is necessary to provide the reader an objective viewpoint regarding the point of contention here. I understand that YouTube videos uploaded by unverified users are not sufficient for Wikipedia. Second, as Somaliland is not the only entity that lays claim to the city it's imperative and fair that Puntland's claim is also mentioned in the introduction, to do otherwise could be misleading the reader. I agree I shouldn't be repeating this over and over again, this a was constructive edit that does not preach WP:WEIGHT nor should cause any disagreement between editors - it is neutral and fairly represents "all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources". Third, I will be editing the article within Wikipedia guidelines, you are welcome to make corrections if any are preached, other than that please refrain from reverting or removing content is sourced. Thanks, Shirshore (talk) 22:15, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

 * The dispute, including Puntland's claim is not only extensively covered in the Puntland-Somaliland dispute article but also has an ENTIRE section dedicated to it in the article where, once again, you're more than welcome to contribute to as long as it is not original research or biased. Adding it to the introduction as well is giving it undue weight per WP:WEIGHT; and is simply redundant and unnecessary. Then is the fact that Puntland has no control or influence over the town or most of the region since October 2007, when Somaliland seized control over it and has fully controlled it ever since.

 * Like I said previously; I have not removed any content but merely moved it to its appropriate section. Stop accusing me of something that I did not and of which you have no proof of. As an editor you are supposed to assume good faith. In the meantime, please refrain from disruptive editing as you have been blocked for it before. Thanks, Dabaqabad (talk) 00:06, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

We’re going around in circles here. Like I said I will cite trusted publications in the edits. I don’t intend to cite unverified blogs or anything similar. If you don’t agree with the content of the edit (which doesn’t violate Wikipedia guidelines) you can raise a dispute. In the meantime please don’t revert my edits, thanks. Shirshore (talk) 11:15, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

You're making a huge issue off a non-issue. I'm not denying that you cited trusted publications, nor have I said that you cited or intended to cite unverified blogs or anything similar. I agree with most of your content however there's a whole section dedicated to it, as well as an entire article, therefore you should be expanding that section instead. Stop putting words in my mouth. Again, you're supposed to assume good faith as an editor. Dabaqabad (talk) 12:12, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * @Dabaqabad, I believe it is a very important issue that should be addressed in the introductory section. There is plenty of reliable publications which highlight the significance of the territorial dispute and the political aspirations of the local people which is easily accessible. I intend to expand the section regarding these issues and the whole article, but first I will work on the introduction which is also in need of expansion. I'm just reminding you, you cannot dictate the location of these edits within the article. Your duty as an editor is to ensure trusted sources are cited in edits, you cannot determine the significance and relevance of the edit for the article, this would enable subjective bias. If you're not satisfied you can raise a dispute. Moreover, the edit was made in good faith - it provides an objective and unbiased overview for readers. You're also free to contribute to the article, I just ask that you make effort to avoid Edit Warring. I hope that is clear enough. Many thanks. Shirshore (talk) 13:45, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Again you're once again being uncooperative over a non-issue. Like I said before, while the dispute is important to mention, it is NOT the defining feature. Expand the section that is ENTIRELY dedicated to it please. See how articles of towns in disputed territories (see Srinagar and Gilgit for Kashmir, an area subject to a similar but much more heated land dispute between two sides) are built; brief mention of the dispute in the appropriate section with a link taking you to the main dispute article for more information.

This article is about the town of Las Anod itself, not about the Somaliland-Puntland dispute which is, once again, COVERED in the "Territorial dispute" section already, expand that section please.

To keep mentioning it would be redundant as the introduction is dedicated to general and significant facts about the town itself, not the dispute of which it might be a part of.

The burden is on you to prove that it is significant enough to be included in the introduction. Dabaqabad (talk) 15:49, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * @Dabaqabad, I have cooperated and tried to be reasonable with you. I have refrained from any edits before consensus over the issue is reached but you remain adamant to revert any edits. You should raise a dispute! I can't see how else you could be satisfied here. The edit doesn't violate Wikipedia rules, thus there is no reason why the introduction cannot be expanded to include Puntland's claim to the city as it does with Somaliland or inform about the political contention regarding the city. I'm aware that other sections cover these issues, and I intend to expand those sections too, you don't have to repeat this. The introduction provides a general overview of the city, hence why such a defining contention must be mentioned in the introduction.

 * Nonetheless, if I attempt to understand your reasoning here, effective control must be the determinant factor in locating a city/town in a geographical entity? and in this case you have located Las Anod in Somaliland because the entity currently administers the city? If this is so, shouldn't articles regarding cities/towns in the disputed regions such as Buuhoodle, Badhan, Las Qoray, and Dhahar base their location within Puntland or as self-governing cities? After all, this is why you're referring to the articles concerning Srinagar and Gilgit if I understand correctly? Furthermore, how do you intend to resolve issues arising in articles that concern towns that have nominal control from both Puntland and Somaliland such as Taleh and Bo'ame? or even the articles for the Sool and Sanaag regions, as parts of both regions are controlled by either of the two entities? would it not be better if the articles mention both claims in a neutral, unbiased and uniform format? to elevate Somaliland's claim over the other is misleading and biased in my opinion Shirshore (talk) 16:55, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Hi @ Shirshore, Thank you for your message.
 * As explained previously, there is a dedicated section on the page explaining the territorial dispute. I see no reason for this to mentioned in the introduction of the section of article for a second time. This is in addition to the link to the main article.

 * Many thanks, Jacob300 (talk) 20:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Las Anod Dervish role
In the introductory section is states "During the pre-independence period, Las Anod served as an early center for Mohammed Abdullah Hassan's Dervish resistance" - However, I am unable to find any reference to Las Anod on the main Dervish movement (Somali) article, only Eyl and Taleh.

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2021
The population of this city is extremely wrong. Because these figures are from the 1999. Current population is well above 500000. Edit the page correctly or leave it plank. Thanks 2A02:C7F:E8FC:EA00:CDA7:DB9C:6FD3:A36D (talk) 10:06, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. melecie   t  10:18, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Students

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Removal of content
Hello ,

I removed some stuff (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Las_Anod&diff=1058498472&oldid=1058497260) whose citations did not match up with what was actually on there (it seems that you reused the same citation). Could you please provide with reliable sources that back this up?

Also, this Diiriye Guure figure keeps popping up however you have not provided a reliable source for that. Just a friendly reminder; anything that has no reliable source backing it up is original research. I left you a message at the Somali aristocratic and court titles talk page however you did not reply.

Many thanks, Dabaqabad (talk) 22:39, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Hi Dabaqabad. "Some stuff had bad citations" doesn't really specify what needs sourcing. Please do not remove content whilst being vague about what you object to. Heesxiisolehh (talk) 00:25, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I removed this part:

"According to notes by H. E Stanton, a British CHief of Staff officer, between 1903 and 1904, a precursor map of Nogal District which was undemarcated, stated that the expeditions would primarily consist of operations in the thereupon non-demarcated and inaccurately drawn Nogal District:[6]

''It was obvious from the first that the main operations would be conducted in the Nogal district. This tract of country was very badly and inaccurately shown on existing maps.''

''Further corroborating that Darawiish territorial boundaries and Darawiish jurisdiction consisted solely of the Nogal District is that all three geographic maps envisioned, and then used for operations against Darawiish in expeditions one to five, were called "Nogal maps" by the British colonial empire, and individually Nogal no. 1 map, Nogal no. 2 map, and Nogal no. 3 map. The 1900s expedition era definition of Nogal included the Ciid region of haud as evidenced by the inclusion of the Gumburu locality:''

''All demands for maps were met with great promptitude, and, in the case of the three Nogal maps, which were compiled in the field and sent home for reproduction,... Nogal No. 1 was compiled in the field and sent home for rapid production ... I had Nogal No. 2 compiled from all the above sources, with the addition of Wellby's route, which had been accidentally omitted from No. 1. ... I had no hesitation in making his work the basis of the new map, Nogal No. 3, and the work previously compiled in No. 2 was fitted on to it. ... They went to Gumburu (see Nogal sketch) ...''"

Due to the fact that the source that was cited for it (British war office, 1907, page 392) does not support it. Per WP:VERIFY the citation needs to directly support the part where it was cited, hence the removal.

I also modified this part:

"According to Said Samatar, British authorities initially opposed Dhulbahante appointees to government during the 1920s and early 1930s out of judiciousness, due to their background in the Darawiish sultanate of Diiriye Guure"

To reflect the actual content of the source. Said Samatar does not mention a "Darawiish sultanate", let alone Diiriye Guure. This is original research, which I suggest you desist from and learn more about on WP:OR.

I'll revert the page. You're free to add content as long as it is verifiable and reliable, and is directly supported by the citations you have cited. Dabaqabad (talk) 00:44, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 January 2022
Gg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muxummed (talk • contribs) 11:19, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 February 2022
80.227.130.142 (talk) 11:21, 8 February 2022 (UTC) The population of Lasanod in the latest census has been estimated to be around 175450 conducted by Norwegian NGO, the rural population of sool of which lasanod is the capital of is estimated to be 3 times that of lasanod. please update after you verify this onfo.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:04, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 January 2023
I wanted to inform you with a direct and clear messege,Somaliland is a federal state within the federal republic of Somalia,the correct location and the right thing to say is las anod sool region of Somalia. 197.211.11.98 (talk) 01:18, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. The whole topic of Somalia/Somaliland is contentious. Such a change will require consensus. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:38, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Lead section and info box
The lead section and information box should be the summary of the article. If we remove the information that this town is a disputed area, as you did in previous edit, readers may misunderstand that this town is not a disputed area. Freetrashbox (talk) 11:34, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

 * Lasanod is under somaliland government control as of 2017. There is already a dispute article which highlights this. Hawkers994 (talk) 15:21, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Laascaanod is no longer under the control of "Somaliland" and cannot be called a part of "Somaliland". It is under control of pro Somali goverment forces as of january 2023 and the people there want to be part of the Federal Republic Of Somalia again. As we are speaking there is a pending application to make (Laascaanod) along with other cities also under pro Somali goverment forces a new state under the Federal Republic Of Somalia called Khaatumo. Any claims on the city is just foolish and the argument "laascaanod is under Somaliland controll" can no longer be used. Therefore i wish. Therefore i wish on the improvement on this article and correctment of wrong and false accusations.  Theguywholearnhistory (talk) 11:04, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Sources are required to modify the article. Please provide the URLs of news sites, etc. that support your explanation. Freetrashbox (talk) 10:29, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Controlling a town does not mean that the town is not a disputed area. Las Anod has been controlled by Somaliland since 2007. However, the BBC reported in 2022 that the area including Las Anod is a disputed area. If you are going to write that this is not a disputed area, please indicate a more reliable source than the BBC.--Freetrashbox (talk) 12:05, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 January 2023
Koolkid715 (talk) 14:56, 25 January 2023 (UTC) Laascanood is no longer under the control of Somaliland

Not done: the source doesn't seem to mention either "Laascanood" nor "Las Anod". Colonestarrice (talk) 22:41, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 February 2023
It is inappropriate to label a region as part of a state that is not officially recognized as being part of Somalia. This undermines the sovereignty of Somalia. The people living in the region are in conflict with the current regime and have publicly declared their independence from it. The situation is tense, and there is a possibility of war. However, it is believed that the Somaliland administration will be defeated, and the region will eventually become part of Somalia, as has happened in the past. We are requesting that this information be corrected and updated. 2601:601:1900:2C50:199F:BBA8:EE81:4301 (talk) 09:47, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lemonaka (talk) 10:43, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 February 2023 (2)
The request is to either remove the flag of Somaliland or update the information by including the flag of Somalia 🇸🇴 and clearly indicating that the status of the region is disputed between the “Somaliland”, local authorities pro Somalia and the federal government of Somalia. It is expected that soon the local authorities will regain control of the region and the influence of the Somaliland regime will diminish. 2601:601:1900:2C50:199F:BBA8:EE81:4301 (talk) 09:53, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lemonaka (talk) 10:43, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 February 2023
There’s developing story in Lasanod. On the morning of 6th February, 2023 Somalinland troops have attacked Lasanod city, local malitia from the locals have resisted the attack, resulting death of 34 people of both sides, also large number of households displaced. Therefore want to add more crucial stores to the page. Dolf133 (talk) 22:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:48, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Needed an update on this Article ' Las Anod '
Hallow!

There are needed a few changes on this article after a declaration of independence affected to day Feb 06, 2023.

In the last few months Las Anod residents reported dozens people have been killed and injured in the violence. Somaliland which is called region in northern Somalia authorities reportedly launched the mortars that killed many innocents including children, women, men, youths, and political elders. For that reason it has become necessary to hold a self determination conference that brings together all the tradition leaders, religious scholars, intellectuals, women and youth groups and all other representatives of society groups in Las Anod on this Monday. Therefore, Following two weeks of conference meetings in Las Anod, the traditional elders and leaders from the Sool, Sanaag, and Ayn regions announced on Monday February 06 2023 that the three regions would not be part of Somaliland.

The elders said in a statement that the SSC-Khatumo territories are part of the federal republic of Somalia from now on and stand for the unity and integrity of the Somali Federal Republic and publicity declared that it was not part of Somaliland anymore. That declaration of independent letter has been sent to The President of The Federal Republic of Somalia and all other diplomatic.

With that being said, what we need to request is to makes a few changes on this article and you will leave everything else as it was before.

 * 1) First, you will change this first statement      to
 * 2) We also going to change   to
 * 3) Also   underneath the map needs to be changed to

Recources:

 * 1) https://www.hiiraan.com/news4/2023/Feb/189809/ssc_khatumo_elders_and_leaders_declare_autonomy_from_somaliland_sparking_violent_clashes.aspx
 * 2) https://muqdisho.online/war-murtiyeedka-kasoo-baxay-shirkii-laascaanood-ee-sababay-dagaalka-socdaa/
 * 3) https://wardheernews.com/bayaanka-laascaanood/
 * 4) https://www.somalidispatch.com/latest-news/breaking-news-ssc-clan-leaders-summit-release-a-13-point-declaration/
 * 5) https://twitter.com/alihwarsame/status/1622498537047998464

Khaatumo2023 (talk) 03:52, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

There is a requested changed made by the username khaatumo2023. If you don’t make these changes untill 02/10/2023. We will report to the administration attetion of Wikipedia. If war break out because you let misinformation in the internet you will be held a fully responsible for publishing that misinformation articles to the World Wide Web. Khaatumo2023 (talk) 18:22, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

 * I don't think Wikipedia can declare the territory as Somalia yet, but it's likely to get there.
 * The area is clearly self-determining as Somalia atm (per 2023 Las Anod conflict). However it was assimilated by military force by Somaliland in 2018. As of today (March 18), Somaliland troops are present in the region shelling Gooja Cadde from outside the city border. There are no troops within the city border per Twitter. Twitter reports that Abdi Madoobe (president of Jubaland, defected from Al-Shabab) has entered the city and burned all Khat (a huge loss for Hargeisa).
 * To no longer be considered Somaliland, the Dhulbahante would need to defeat the Somaliland Army or secure their surrender. That looks somewhat likely now but hasn't happened yet.
 * If Puntland declared their support for the conflict or even military assistance, then it would be fair to put  MathAfrique (talk) 12:19, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Listen, Somaliland is not a real country, it’s an secessionist state. Even if Las anod has not yet got out of that state it doesn’t negate the fact that Somaliland isn’t a internationally recognised country and Somaliland still relies on Somalia for funding today like every other national somali state. Change the location of Las Anod back to Somalia. Not one country recognises Somaliland as a country yet a Wikipedia mod does? Atp you show me a source because you’re spreading Misinformation.
 * Sources: https://reliefweb.int/report/somalia/somalia-health-cluster-laascaanood-conflict-update-09-march-2023 Somalistar7 (talk) 01:43, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 February 2023
The city nor Sool, Sanaag & Cayn region is not disputed by Puntland or Somaliland. In 2007 the representatives elders of the community entered into an agreement with the administration of Somaliland to be governed under. However the community have been neglected due to their tribal differences with the rest of Somaliland which led to the outbreak of protests against the Somaliland administration in December of 2022. The Somaliland military responded with a brutal force and many casualties as a result which has increased the bridge between the community and Somaliland. Since 5th of February the city of Laascanood has officially cut ties with Somaliland and instead wants to self-administrate under Khatumo State of Somalia. 85.230.76.247 (talk) 22:27, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:44, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 March 2023
There is No country so called Somaliland, it’s ever Somalia 🇸🇴 2601:143:500:5740:F9F7:6AD8:16A3:B3D (talk) 03:29, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 01:21, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

it is nolonger somaliland now change please 102.220.41.252 (talk) 19:51, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Update the “Disputed Territory” section
SL influence over Las Anod has greatly dropped. There has been an ongoing war for the last month+ with SL forces and local militia wishing to leave SL. Currently, many of the visible flags of SL in the city (and surrounding towns/region) have been painted over with blue flags.

https://reliefweb.int/report/somalia/lasanod-crisis-unfpa-somalia-raises-alarms-devastating-impact-women-and-girls

A pillar in the middle of one of Las Anod’s main roads now painted with the flag of Somalia (previously SL flag).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq2UfrlXoAAnraP.jpg HotBallah (talk) 04:56, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 March 2023
2A02:C7C:64E9:C200:25C7:B0C2:791F:A33C (talk) 02:01, 18 March 2023 (UTC) las Anod Is a region in Somalia,
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Sirdog (talk) 02:44, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 March 2023 (2)
LasAnod is not somaliland region. LasAnod is sool region, Somalia.

Dhulbahante tribe owns this region and they are part of somalia. not somaliland. please edit that. you can make more research. thank you Yusuf. Farahy1990 (talk) 16:02, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. stwalkerster (talk) 17:52, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

The State in Somaliland Draft PhD Chapter September 2020
The State in Somaliland Draft PhD Chapter September 2020 Omarrhisi (talk) 21:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Page has misinformation, Las Anod is internationally recognised as city within Somalia and not Somaliland.
I viewed this page and noticed that someone wrote Las Anod is in Somaliland which is completely false. It’s in Somalia and the residents there also claim that, the whole world recognises that city is located within Somalia so I don’t know how someone could even accept this edit and then protect the page on top of that. The las anod natives have just been through a war based on the fact that this secessionist state wants to force them to join but they defended themselves and claimed Somalia same way Somalia recognises them and the whole world.

Can you change the location of this city back to “Somalia”.

Reference below shows Somalia cities and Las anod is found at the bottom of the page.

1: https://www.citypopulation.de/en/somalia/

2: https://reliefweb.int/report/somalia/somalia-health-cluster-laascaanood-conflict-update-09-march-2023 Somalistar7 (talk) 01:32, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 April 2023
"Change Somaliland to Somalia as Somaliland itself is not an internationally recognised country and therefore Laascaanood is still apart of Somalia." 81.145.156.110 (talk) 12:49, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 07:05, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 May 2023
The flag and state of “Somaliland” should be removed and replaced with Somalia and the blue flag 🇸🇴 since the city has been under the control of pro-Unionist forces for the last 4 months. 2607:FEA8:255C:F300:9D90:5323:4655:CE94 (talk) 11:19, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. M.Bitton (talk) 13:48, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 May 2023
Laascaanood is part of Somalia it’s under the control of pro-unionist, pro-Somalia. Please change it to “Laascaanood, Somalia” 🇸🇴 2607:FEA8:255C:F300:7C7B:A149:A199:6BB4 (talk) 12:25, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Callme mirela 🍁 16:36, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 May 2023 (2)
The city of Lasanod is currently under SSC-Khaatumo admistration, and Somaliland admistration has been removed from the city. Please change this accordingly. Assadjama221 (talk) 17:09, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Actualcpscm (talk) 17:48, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 August 2023
I request this because I’m from Lasanod and I lived my whole life there, I wanted to express that we are oppressed and we’re currently on a conflict for our own self determination and we’re not Somaliland, we’ve always stood for Somali unity and Somalia, this information can be verified and even our highest somaliland officials had resigned to join the struggle to govern ourselves and stay within Somalia and not join the secessionist regime of somaliland. I also want to indicate Sool is Somalia as a whole, Lasanod, Hudun, Boame, and Buhotle. Saidboateng1431 (talk) 12:32, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 12:36, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 August 2023
Multiple typos Abdul0m1 (talk) 09:58, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 00:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 August 2023
Los Anod is in Somalia. Somaliland is neither recognize internationally, nor does its militia forces have any control of this territory effective yesterday. 2607:FB91:8201:5086:AB1B:A36A:94F3:4B96 (talk) 22:48, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 23:34, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

LASANOD SOOL SOMALIA
Since 25th August 2023 Lasanod is controlled by Ssc-Khaatumo administration which is under Somali Federal Republic and it isn't more so-called Somaliland administration please I kindly request you to update that Thank you 94.109.240.166 (talk) 09:14, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Laascaanood edit
This page is locked by deluded secessionist who still think a city where they were defeated and fled belongs to them. This page should be open for editing as it belongs to SSC-Khatumo State. 78.145.175.151 (talk) 20:33, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 September 2023
Wanted to update the current situation in Las Anod, as a civil war just wrapped up after 8 months. 105.28.117.163 (talk) 18:30, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Recoil16 (talk) 22:58, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 September 2023
Somaliland is no longer in control of Laascanood as a result of the recent clashes in 2023 which resulted in the Somaliland troops being expelled from the region by the unionist (Pro-Somalia) forces.

Somaliland's direct control in Laascanood lasted 15 years from October 2007 to February 2023

I think it is fair that this change in control be reflected (or even mentioned) in the article.

Therefore I suggest changing the country section of this article from Somaliland to Somalia. 2.28.117.176 (talk) 13:03, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Lasanod is not part of “Somaliland” (which, despite the misleading information in this Wikipedia, is not a country). Lasanod is the capital of SSC-Khaatumo State of Somalia. 2603:8000:8E40:165D:E098:368D:D028:E01 (talk) 22:02, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Lasanod is not part of “Somaliland” (which, despite the misleading information in this Wikipedia, is not a country). Lasanod is the capital of SSC-Khaatumo State of Somalia. 2603:8000:8E40:165D:E098:368D:D028:E01 (talk) 22:03, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 09:09, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 September 2023 (2)
1. Change “Las Anod is the administrative capital of the Sool region of Somaliland” to “ Las Anod is the administrative capital of the Sool region of Somalia” 2. Change the country which Lassanod is in to Somalia

Why? This Wikipedia page states that Lasanod is in Somaliland. There are two issues with this claim: 1. There’s no recognized nation/country called Somaliland and as such, this information is completely false. 2. In 2023, the communities of Sool (including Lasanod), Sanaag, and Ayn regions (SSC-Khaatumo) in North-central Somalia separated from the secessionist movement of Somaliland. As such, the self-determination of the people of SSC-Khaatumo should be respected. This page should be updated to indicate that Lasanod is part of Somalia. Waraabe12 (talk) 22:25, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Please provide reliable sources. Liu1126 (talk) 16:19, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 September 2023
I WANT TO CHANGE SOME İNFORMATİON ABOUT THE CITY AND UPDATES Muscab30 (talk) 14:04, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:13, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 September 2023
 102.211.212.2 (talk) 16:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌ Duplicate request. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:13, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 October 2023
The reason I want to make an edit on the Las'anod page is that there is an error when mentioning Somaliland because Somaliland no longer governs the city of Las'anod or even the surrounding areas. I want to emphasize to the leaders of Wikipedia that now there is a new regime in Las'anod called the Khatmo State of Somalia after the war that lasted for approximately 8 months between the Somaliland forces and the Khatmo forces. I repeat and repeat that the error must be corrected. Thank you very much. Yasohssn (talk) 10:53, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌ Duplicate request, see * Pppery * it has begun...  18:27, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Change somaliland to khatumo
Please accept my request Yasohssn (talk) 10:56, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 October 2023
Laascaanood is located in Somalia not Somaliland. There is no country called Somaliland 2003:C0:3722:9200:21D1:143D:506E:8587 (talk) 20:13, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Let's keep it neutral here. Drmies (talk) 20:15, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 October 2023
Request to update city's country and management. It has been under the control of SSC-Khaatumo, Somalia for more than 9 months as of today. 197.57.249.195 (talk) 04:12, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Andumé (talk) 01:15, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 October 2023
Hello, I want to request a change that many people have been asking for many months. N1, Somaliland may have had control over Las Anod (2007-2023), but now they do not have control over the city, or even the whole region of Sool. N2, The government of Somalia has now recognized and have ties with the state of SSC-Khatumo. Somaliland has no effective control over Las Anod, or even the rest of Sool. This is the reality, especially after the Khatumo soldiers took over he biggest base SL has in Sool, in Goojacde. I would highly request you to change the country from Somaliland to Somalia. There is no more dispute anymore. It ended in August 25th, 2023. My other request is to update the timeline on the events happening in L.A, as it seems lackluster, and not up to date. Many developments have been happening, even the UN making claims to look into war crimes. I ask this respectfully, please change the country from somaliland to somalia. The people of Las Anod are under SSC-Khatumo rule as of 10/13/2023. Thank you... https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15436.doc.htm https://www.citypopulation.de/en/somalia/ https://hornobserver.com/articles/2415/Khaatumo-State-forces-capture-bases-outside-Laascaanood-as-Somaliland-forces-retreat https://www.hiiraan.com/news4/2023/Oct/193371/ssc_khatumo_leader_meets_president_mohamud_and_prime_minister_barre.aspx https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=747022914135517&set=a.297424222428724 (offcial facebook account of villa somalia) Khaatumo 12 (talk) 22:52, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe that the Horn Observer and Hiiraan articles are reliable and do support your edit, but as I am not a regular contributor to Horn of Africa articles, I will begin a discussion below to allow more experienced editors to make the decision. Liu1126 (talk) 16:34, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Chiming in here - the UN citation doesn't state that SSC-Khatumo or the Federal Government of Somalia explicitly controls Las Anod. Citypopulation.de is an aggregator and not verifiable. Horn Observer and Hiiraan are valid sources with a physical address. Facebook can't be used because of prior consensus (agreed around the time of Trump's third election season).
 * I've found a bunch of sources to add!
 * Faysal Cali Waraabe oo ku hanjabay in ay Laascaanood dib ula wareegayaan - BBC News Somali
 * Maxay tahay doorashada Maanta kasocota Laascanood? - BBC News Somali
 * Somalia: We shall revenge against SSC-Khatumo forces, says Somaliland leader - Garowe Online
 * New Leadership Elected in SCC-Khatumo Region | Ongoing Conflict in Las Anod (bnn.network)
 * Somali Federal Government Recognizes New SSC-Khatumo Administration - Horseed Media
 * MathAfrique (talk) 15:58, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ I have WP:BOLDly updated the status of Las Anod. There is no point in letting this discussion linger on for years with minimal participation. The change happened in August, and although Wikipedia has no deadline, lagging behind current events by three months is too much. I'm closing this edit request, and further discussion can go in the section below. Liu1126 (talk) 22:14, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Updating status of Las Anod?
''Hello, I want to request a change that many people have been asking for many months. N1, Somaliland may have had control over Las Anod (2007-2023), but now they do not have control over the city, or even the whole region of Sool. N2, The government of Somalia has now recognized and have ties with the state of SSC-Khatumo. Somaliland has no effective control over Las Anod, or even the rest of Sool. This is the reality, especially after the Khatumo soldiers took over he biggest base SL has in Sool, in Goojacde. I would highly request you to change the country from Somaliland to Somalia. There is no more dispute anymore. It ended in August 25th, 2023. My other request is to update the timeline on the events happening in L.A, as it seems lackluster, and not up to date. Many developments have been happening, even the UN making claims to look into war crimes. I ask this respectfully, please change the country from somaliland to somalia. The people of Las Anod are under SSC-Khatumo rule as of 10/13/2023. Thank you... https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15436.doc.htm https://www.citypopulation.de/en/somalia/ https://hornobserver.com/articles/2415/Khaatumo-State-forces-capture-bases-outside-Laascaanood-as-Somaliland-forces-retreat https://www.hiiraan.com/news4/2023/Oct/193371/ssc_khatumo_leader_meets_president_mohamud_and_prime_minister_barre.aspx https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=747022914135517&set=a.297424222428724 (offcial facebook account of villa somalia) Khaatumo 12 (talk) 22:52, 13 October 2023 (UTC)''

The above is the most recent edit request for the article. From what I have read, the Horn Observer and Hiiraan articles appear to support the editor's claim that Somalia now has full control over Las Anod, and as far as I can see there aren't any significant reliability or POV issues with the two sources. However, I am not familiar with Horn of Africa articles, so I would appreciate if regular contributors to the area could comment on whether this edit should be implemented. Thanks! Liu1126 (talk) 16:40, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

 * Thank you for considering my edit, recent events suggest that Las Anod, the whole regions of Sool, Sanaag & Cayn are under The federal goverment of somalia rule. No dispute anymore from SL & PL. Thank you. The edit should be "Sool region of SSC-Khatumo."
 * Source (https://horseedmedia.net/somali-federal-government-recognizes-new-ssc-khatumo-administration-383891) Khaatumo 12 (talk) 15:47, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The Horn Observer, Hiiraan Online, and Horseed Media are reliable sources of information, but they are Somalia's mass media and are not neutral when it comes to territorial issues between Somalia and Somaliland. It is preferable to use sources that are not connected to either region. Freetrashbox (talk) 12:07, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The federal government of Somalia has recognized it as a FMS on Oct 19. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F84j-zgWQAApRH9?format=jpg&name=medium <This is their statement. This is a source that can't be ignored. Every town and village in Sool (Except Oog and Caynabo), and Cayn regions should be labeled under (Somalia & Khatumo). Thanks Khaatumo 12 (talk) 02:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Even if the Somalia federal government recognizes SSC-Khaatumo, it is not clear which towns in Sool are SSC-Khaatumo territory. However, as for Las Anod, it is clear that SSC-Khaatumo controls it, so how about it as "Effective control by SSC-Khaatumo (in dispute with Somaliland)" in this article? Freetrashbox (talk) 12:44, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I can confidently say that the only villages that are under somaliland control in Sool is Oog and Caynabo. Other then that, Khatumo has full authority. Some villages even in Sanaag are under Khatumo but i will have to do some research on what specifically are those villages. You can say it is claimed by Somaliland, but there really isn't a dispute because of the recognition. It is part of Somalia. Thanks Khaatumo 12 (talk) 00:18, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * What is needed is reliable source, not "confidently." The source you indicated is that Somalia government recognized SSC-Khaatumo, but it did not indicate which town belongs to SSC-Khaatumo. I would add that the source should be indicated on a reliable website (e.g. the official Somalia government website), not on Twitter. Freetrashbox (talk) 21:53, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have WP:BOLDly updated the status of Las Anod. There is no point in letting this discussion linger on for years with minimal participation without anyone daring to actually make the edit (echoing Pppery's comment in the edit summary here). The change happened in August, and although Wikipedia has no deadline, lagging behind current events by three months is too much. I have closed the edit request above, and if someone WP:BRDs me, the discussion can continue down here. Liu1126 (talk) 22:17, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for making the corrections! Can you also adjust the filter on the map to Somalia? Zara1066 (talk) 01:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 November 2023
Saidboateng1431 (talk) 22:37, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 00:09, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 November 2023
Country is Somalia not somaliland 2607:FEA8:2122:1600:DC8C:513F:247A:D808 (talk) 14:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌ Duplicate request. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:42, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 November 2023 (2)
It's somalia not somaliland. The city Las Canod is under khatumo state of somalia. Qalas23 (talk) 15:10, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌ Duplicate request. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:42, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 April 2024
In map filter section replace Somaliland with Somalia. Zara1066 (talk) 11:46, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Not done: duplicate request as above, already declined. (talk | contribs) 11:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

 * The map filter contradicts this wiki. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khatumo_State showing LA as being in Somalia.
 * Filter is also internally inconsistent as the wiki shows location as Somalia, not Somaliland. Makes more sense to filter first on Khaatumo State and then Somalia.
 * Las Anod is the capital of Khaatumo State which is a region of Somalia. It's not part of Somaliland. Note: both Somaliland and Khaatumo are regions of Somalia. That's why the filter is incorrect. Those are two separate regions within Somalia.
 * More background.
 * Khaatumo was established by the Federal government of Somalia. The Federal government responsible for Somalia which is an internationally recognized sovereign country that can create regions called federal member states. See Somali constitution for references to Federal Member States articles 48- 53.
 * https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Somalia_2012
 * Here are some news links about when Khaatumo was established as a region by the Federal government. The first link contains the press release from ministry of interior in Somali.
 * https://thesomalidigest.com/somali-government-makes-a-strategic-move-by-recognizing-ssc-khaatumo/
 * https://www.reddit.com/r/Somalia/comments/17bgkq1/breaking_news_federal_government_of_somalia/
 * https://horseedmedia.net/somali-federal-government-recognizes-new-ssc-khatumo-administration-383891
 * Hope that clarifies. Kindly correct the filter in the map section. Zara1066 (talk) 01:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of abortion supporters 2

List of abortion supporters
This was already deleted and should be again unless the other list is also revitalized! Pitchka 18:57, Oct 3, 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete. If it was already deleted it should be a speedy. JamesMLane 06:34, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I don't find any history of this having been deleted. Is there another name for it?  RickK 06:50, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * It seems the previous deletion discussion is at Votes for deletion/List of Pro-Life Supporters & List of Pro-Choice Supporters. List of abortion supporters was as a redirect, and the content of List of Pro-Choice Supporters was moved to it when that page was deleted. -- Gregg 11:05, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. zoney ♣ talk 20:04, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Sarge Baldy 03:24, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)


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Harvey Lonsdale Elmes

Harvey Lonsdale Elmes (10 February 1814 – 26 November 1847) was an English architect, the designer of St George's Hall, Liverpool.

Life

The son of the architect, James Elmes, he was born in Chichester. After serving some time in his father's office, and under a surveyor at Bedford and an architect (Henry Goodridge) at Bath, Elmes became partner with his father in 1835.

One of the first buildings Elmes designed was 10-12 Queen Anne's Gate, Westminster, London, for Charles Pearson, the City Solicitor. In July, 1839, he was successful among 86 competitors for a design for St George's Hall, Liverpool. The foundation stone of this building had been laid on 28 June 1838, but, Elmes being successful in a competition for the Assize Courts in the same city, it was finally decided to include the hall and courts in a single building. Consequently, Elmes prepared a fresh design, and construction work commenced in 1841. He superintended its progress until 1847, when because of failing health, he was compelled to delegate his duties to John Weightman (City Surveyor) and Robert Rawlinson (Structural Engineer) and leave for Jamaica, where he died of consumption on 26 November 1847. Charles Robert Cockerell took over supervision of the project in 1851.

Notable buildings

 * St. George's Hall, Liverpool
 * Liverpool Collegiate Institution
 * Thingwall Hall
 * Rainhill Hospital (now demolished)

title: Harvey Lonsdale Elmes