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Talk:Merlot

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Can we split this page? Justinc 14:43, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Seems like a reasonable idea. I just created Merlot (disambiguation) with a link from here and moved the online community info to a stub name Merlot online community.  If someone wants to create a article about the XML editor it should be linked from the disambig page. -- Rick Block 18:18, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I editted the f word at the end of that page since, I know it was not totally necessary to spell it out.

 * Despite the fact that you "know" it was "not totally necessary", there is a rather strong majority believing that even graphic sexual content should not be censored (see Votes for deletion/Oral sex (no pictures) for one of several recent discussions on this). In this case, I think it is even more obvious. The movie character said "fucking" and not "f--", period. If the quote should be there (which, on the other hand, might be discussed, albeit on entirely different grounds) it should read as it was actually spoken. Changing it could be seen as falsification.

-- I agree. Don't censor what was actually spoken.

Sideways
Is it true that Merlot sales dropped, quite signifigantly after sideways came out? maybe something could be added about this.--Richy 13:10, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I've added links to the research that seems to have sparked this debate (if it's a debate) and one of the "anecdotal reports" that resulted. -- Darthsco 20:12, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

 * The thing is, the NPR report about the movie's effects came out in 2004, but the Nelson report cited is from 2005. --24.180.25.249 19:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

"Connoisseur stuff"
I think there might be some way of salvaging it -- easiest way is to reference tasting notes. Anyone got a source for a general merlot profile? I know Robert Parker's website requires registration, but surely there's another? Haikupoet 04:35, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Needed: A writer's touch
I've been working on this article and adding facts/references but prose is not my strongest suit. If anyone out there is willing to string this together into more compelling prose that will be great. Agne 14:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

"Verhonda on the Verge"
Someone keeps adding a trivia fact related to the play "Verhonda on the Verge" even though, as far as I can tell, this play does not exist. I'm removing it again, but if you want to include it please explain yourself. Korny O'Near 14:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation
I have never heard the mer-LOH pronunciation in England, so have highlighted that this is the American pronunciation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.117.34 (talk) 16:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have to say that I hear mer-LOH more often than not in the UK - amongst casual drinkers it's far more common than the French pronunciation. I'm not sure that one person's experience really justifies splitting the pronunciation into British/American versions. I'm also pretty sure there are Americans who say MERL-oh. So..not sure how to change it, but I think it needs to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Headbeater (talk • contribs) 23:45, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Also "mare-low" is a shit way of denoting the pronunciation, because that would depend entirely on whether it means that's the pronunciation in a rhotic or a non-rhotic dialect.--122.61.8.81 (talk)

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In Ticino Region exist white Merlot and it is white. For example you can see one of those type of merlot at http://www.schuler.ch/weisswein/schweiz/kanton-tessin/cagi-2009-bucaneve-bianco-di-merlot-031270081.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.203.190.5 (talk) 15:56, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Red?
What is red about the merlot grape? Is it not true that red wines are mainly produced through blue grapes? I e the wine is red, the grape is not?'--Paracel63 (talk) 13:50, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Merlot is considered a red grape because it makes mainly red wine. Though the juice is colorless and it can make white wine but usually "White Merlot" is actually a blush wine since some color gets leached from the skins even with very careful handling. Technically you can describe the actual skin color of the grapes as blue (or even blue-black) but that is usually just semantics since it is more about the color of the wine than the grape itself. AgneCheese/Wine 00:04, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Wine photos
I am going to revert once more the deletion of free-use wine photos in this article. I believe the photos are valid use of illustration and, frankly, am somewhat offended at the claim that they are advertisements. Beyond the very obvious fact that these are photos from many different wineries, from many different regions, owned by many different owners, imported/distributed by many different entities, sold by many different retailers/restaurants, etc (making the advertisement claim laughable), I would like to think that even a cursory look at my user history (such as my work on WP:WINEGUIDE) would showcase that I'm probably one of the most vigilante anti-spam wine editors on the project. My objective is to have illustrated and informative articles and, as a wine educator, I take advantage of my ability to snap free-use photos of many different wines from the trade tastings I get to go to and classes I conduct. I have zero interest in advertizing for any winery, receive zero compensation or even recognition, and (most importantly) I never let my own personal opinion of the quality the wines influence whether or not I feel the image has information value. Believe me, there are several photos of wines that I would never drink but I'll use an illustration of an absolutely atrociously bad wine just as willingly as I will for a wine I'll actually buy all the same if it serves some benefit to the article. While I have absolutely no qualms, ever, about the photos being replaced by better images (whether they be better quality since my iPhone photo skills are admittedly not the best or some other free-use image that could better illustrate the topic such as a free-use vineyard or winemaking image), I do object to the wholesale deletion of valid, free use photos that illustrates (among other things) A.) The appearance of the wine (red Merlot and White Merlot look quite different) B.) The regions the wine is being produced (illustrates the global significance of the grape and, potentially, the region) C.) The importance or prominence of the wine in how it is labeled (certain international varieties, such as Merlot, have such universal recognition that the grape variety is often printed in larger font then the region and sometimes even the winery name). So, again, feel free to replace with something better but deletion for the sake of deletion is pointless while bad faith and unfounded claims are reckless. AgneCheese/Wine 02:24, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I will add that the one photo I am slightly uncomfortable with is the File:Beringer_White_Merlot.jpg pic since, unlike the others, it doesn't focus on the wine in the glass. I still feel there is immense informational value in having an illustration of the color of "white" Merlot and you can see the color through the bottle. It's not ideal though and, someday, I would like to get a free-use photo that is focusing on the wine in the glass. Again, the charge of "advertisement" is laughable and I sincerely doubt Beringer is seeing any uptick in White Merlot sales due to this picture. But since this pic is solely of the bottle, without the wine in glass, I would concede if this one is removed even though it loses an illustration. AgneCheese/Wine 02:37, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I came here because of your comment at WP Wine. I disagree with you here and I think that it was necessary first to gain consensus and then to revert, taking in consideration serious concerns. This issue is much wider than Merlot so it might be a good idea to have centralized discussion for all wine grape varieties. The point is simple. There are thousands of brands of wines and presenting a picture of one of them might be seen as giving undue weight to one brand of wine and maybe even an advertising. As far as I could see, nobody accused you for taking money for this, so there is no need for you to take this personally. Photo of particular brand of wine can have its place in more specific article, i.e. about some winery or some list. It is much more illustrative to present a map of the region or the picture of its vineyards then picture of bottle of specific brand of wine.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:47, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that is a tenuous stretch to think these images provide any advertising benefit. There are hundreds of thousands of different wines in the world, with many of them limited geographically to where they are found (part of the reason we tend to take a strict stance on WP:WINERY notability). What wine I find up in the Pacific Northwest to snap a picture of may never be seen by a reader in the UK, Australia, India or even the rest of the United States at any restaurant or retail shop. Maybe if the articles were covered in pictures from the same large, massive global brands like Yellow Tail or Gallo, we could have an argument. But I have been very deliberate in being indiscriminate and snapping pictures from a wide range of different random, mostly small, wineries so even if there is the teensiest of advertising benefit, it is highly marginalized and spread out over hundreds of different wineries. In this article, the only picture of potentially a global brand is the Beringer White Merlot (an image I already had some reservation about). If it comes down to it where that image is the most troublesome then we can probably compromise and I can keep an eye open for another free-use White Merlot image. AgneCheese/Wine 17:44, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that the photo of bottle of wine with visible label does provide an advertaising benefit, whether they are limited geographically or not. The less they are limited geographically, the more beneficial photo is. My remarks do not "indicate that there should be a complete ban on any picture on any product where you can identify the producer" because I clearly stated "Photo of particular brand of wine can have its place in more specific article, i.e. about some winery or some list". WP:UNDUE "applies not only to article text, but to images.... as well." --Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:31, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * While thought has to be given to how wine is illustrated using photos where labels are visible, saying that any identifiable label (even when it is photographed together with a wine glass or something else, to make the overall composition pass as free) is "advertising" is a bit ridiculous. Rather than saying that it could give WP:UNDUE weight to some producer or brand, this claim goes much wider than just wine articles, and seems to indicate that there should be a complete ban on any picture on any product where you can identify the producer. That seems a bit strange too me. As it happens, advertising tends to not just consist of a neutral picture of an object, so saying that any picture where a product and the name of the producer can be identified is "advertising" is not a very serious claim in my view. I agree with the idea for a centralised policy (and then not just for wine-related articles), but I definitely don't think that Agne27 was wrong to revert. The user who deleted the picture did not refer to any Wikipedia policy in the edit summary, and has not written here or at Agne27's talk page. Disallowing this type of picture would be to change the standard practice that has been in use for quite a number of years, and I think that the "burden of proof" rests with whomever wishes to do that change. If there already exists a Wikipedia policy that clearly forbids this type of images that I wasn't aware of, I will of course change my mind. So where should be have this discussion? (And, by the way, I'm personally much more fond of pictures of vineyards and grapes than of bottles/labels/glasses, but we have to work with what's available.) Tomas e (talk) 15:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * So, at least my issue isn't "strange" or "ludicrous" to everyone. Phew. -  NewTestLeper79  talk  16:30, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Tomas that pictures of vineyards within wine regions, the grapes themselves and winemaking practices are much more ideal and, as I noted above, I would never object to any editor replacing images with better ones. I have no WP:OWNership issues over these images because this is a team effort to build the best articles we can. I do object to wholesale deletion of valid images without any effort to replace them since this ends up diminishing the quality and informative value of the article rather than improve it. We are limited by what WP:FREEIMAGE are available and while I have certainly contributed many free use winemaking (such as those on the malolactic fermentation article) and vineyard photos, it is far easier to take free-use pictures of the wines themselves. AgneCheese/Wine 17:44, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

 * Keeping photos that promote wineries, intentionally or not, because there aren't free-use alternatives doesn't hold much water. Even free-use ones would still promote wineries anyway. If there's nothing wrong with this practice, I'll be uploading photos of my favourite wines shortly. -  NewTestLeper79  talk  17:57, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * By your logic, any photo of anything is promoting something. You can say that our photos of the Grand Canyon are promoting tourism to Arizona or our photos of specific works in articles like Literature, Poetry, Film, etc are "advertising" for various books and movies. There is no limit to the skeptical eye we can cast on the "advertising" benefit of anything which would leave us with very little left to work with. We are a visual medium and illustrations can provide a benefit to enhancing the informative value of our articles. I think, in the end, we should all judge images by what value they bring versus taking a hyper cynical approach to what hypothetical benefit some obscure small winery might get from a random picture on a Wikipedia article. Believe me, if we had a winery making a deliberate intent to spam our articles with numerous images of their particular wines, I'll be the first with the machete hacking them down. But I do think the random, indiscriminate and varied approach is the most useful and unbiased way to help us illustrate our articles with free-use images.
 * Though, yes, you are certainly welcome to upload more free-use photos that can be of benefit to the project and help illustrate our articles. (And if you happen to have one of a Bonamico wine, that would be very awesome) Though you don't need to interject POV and limit yourself to just your favorite wines. Even if you are at a restaurant and absolutely hate the wine you're drinking, if it is one of the many articles at Category:Wine grape varieties that don't have pictures (some of which are also cross-categorized at Category:Wine articles needing photos), then snap away. We could use the help. AgneCheese/Wine 19:15, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Does the Grand Canyon have "Visit Arizona" painted on it? I don't see the comparison. -  NewTestLeper79  talk  21:35, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It doesn't need to have anything painted on it to meet your criteria of promotion, "intentionally or not". The mere display of an image can be enough to trigger a random reader's subconscion and thus act as advertisement. You need to consider the context - otherwise the article on Merlot itself serves as advertisement. You just found a hole in the cheese.--Nwinther (talk) 13:29, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The Grand Canyon doesn't have a brand name slapped on it, which is the point you missed. -  NewTestLeper79  talk  18:43, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Exactly.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:50, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The Grand Canyon is a brand name--a universally recognized one that numerous entities (including the US Federal Government) profit off of due to tourism. It's not beyond reason to surmise that more people who visit the Wikipedia article on the Grand Canyon and look at the pictures of the Grand Canyon end up visiting the Grand Canyon and putting money in the pockets of all the related businesses and entities than we have people who are looking up Merlot end up eventually seeing (much less buying) the random and obscure wines with images on this page. IF we want to talk about advertising, the Grand Canyon is certainly getting a hell of a lot more bang for the (metaphorical) buck. But, you know, frankly I don't think it is worth fretting about all those folks making money off of tourists visiting the Grand Canyon after reading the article and seeing those pictures because the educational and informative value of those images outweigh the "dangers" of Wikipedia inadvertently advertising for tourism to the Grand Canyon. I think we need to be careful to avoid getting so caught up in worrying about individual trees (such as the hypothetical harms of something inadvertently advertising) that we miss the forest that we are here to build an encyclopedia. AgneCheese/Wine 01:23, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * We're getting a bit silly now. -  NewTestLeper79  talk  10:16, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * @Agne27, The Grand Canyon is universally recognized name, just like Merlot. The main problem here is that you did not present a picture of Grand Canyon (a map of the region or the picture of its vineyards). You presented a picture of Grand Canyon together with bilboard which says "Papilon offers helicopter the Grand Canyon tours, call (888) 635-7272 to book it" (a bottle of wine with visible brand). The position of editors who do not share your opinion is clearly presented. You failed to gain consensus here. If you insist on your position you can proceed with RfC or some other DR method. Any further discussion seems pointless. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:49, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Failed to get consensus? For what? The wholesale deletion of valid images from an article? In the WP:BRD scale, we are in the "discussion" phase after NewTestLeper79 was bold and made a change which was reverted. The onus of consensus is on him for his wholesale deletion (note that there has been no objection to replacing with better images) with so far only you of the other participants in this discussion showing support for the wholesale deletion. And I will add that neither of you have been able to demonstrate why these images aren't valid or serve an informative purpose outside of concern about a wholly hypothetical advertising benefit that you feel that some small random, obscure winery may/possibly/kinda/sorta/whatif/wellidunno get. Oh and I fail to see where on any of the images there is a phone number/website link/address/where to buy type information that would show we are actually promoting anything like your Papilon example. Labels change, wine names change and if your whole contention is that the mere presence of seeing any type of item (even if it is wholely obscure and random) as images in an article will create some insatiable subconscious desire for readers to hunt down these items to purchase then you may need to spend many hours vanquishing the "advertising" images from our numerous articles on Films, Literature and Art (many of which contain images that are FAR less obscure than small, random wines). AgneCheese/Wine 12:10, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

And again, Antidiskriminator, if you have access or find any Free-Use images of maps or Merlot vineyards in the regions that can be used in this article then, by all means, upload them and add them to the article. As long as they are relevant to the article and make sense within the section, go for it! If there are better free-use images that can enhance the educational and informative value of the article, you will find no objection from me and I doubt any other editor. The only objection is to wholesale deletion---replacement and article improvement is wholeheartedly and ardently welcomed. AgneCheese/Wine 12:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * "Wholesale deletion"? No. Less than half of images were deleted.
 * Was there anything particularly educational or informative in deleted images? No.
 * Is there consensus to keep disputed images in the article? No. On wikipedia text of the article is based on consensus.
 * I think I gave a fairly clear reason for my position, and I don't really have much to add to that now. You are of course free to disagree, but I don't think you should expect everybody to be now somehow obliged to keep discussing this with you for as long as you are dissatisfied with it. All the best.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:59, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I've been on Wikipedia long enough to notice the signs of someone futilely trying to defend their stance (bringing up examples of other articles around the site, for one, saying "if they can do it, why can't I?"). It's my opinion that you have a connection to all of the wines you've uploaded photographs of. If a "burden of proof" exists towards me, I return it with interest. And, let it be said, I'm not in favour of replacing the photographs with free-use ones depicting labels of wines for the reason I gave above. Future photograph removals will be summarised with reference to WP:NOTADVERTISING to assist in your understanding. -  NewTestLeper79  talk  23:09, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Wholesale deletion--Deletion for the sake of deletion without any effort made to replace the images with better free-use alternatives. This is the whole crux of the issue. My entire focus (and 8+ yrs of Wiki service) is making Wikipedia's wine articles the most well developed and informative they can be. As I've repeatedly said I have zero qualms about the images being replaced. I am not wedded to these exact images. I am wedded to the goal of having illustrated articles and after years of searching and scrimping for free-use images to help illustrate our wine articles, I finally decided to take matters into my own hand by snapping photos of wines I've tried with my iPhone.
 * My connection to these wines? I've tasted them. All of them. Some I've purchased. Some I got to try at trade events. Some I've had at friend's homes. Some I've had at tastings at my wine locker. Some I've had at the wineries (as a regular tourist). Some I've had at restaurants. Some I've had in wine classes I taught. Some I've had at wine classes and wine seminars I've attended. Some I've liked, some I've hated, some were just meh but in no way was I going to let my own personal POV influence my editing. I took pictures of them all. No winery, restaurant, distributor, retailer or anyone ever asked me to take these pictures (and I certainly have never received any sort of compensation). In fact, I'm willing to bet 99.999% of the wineries don't even know pictures of their wine were ever taken. I made the decision to be indiscriminate and random, getting a wide assortment of images and trying my best to find wines from regions that were under-represented on Wikipedia. The objective is not to endorse or sell wine. The objective is to illustrate and inform.
 * As noted above, and cut and paste here, there is educational value in these images. A.) The appearance of the wine (red Merlot and White Merlot look quite different) B.) The regions the wine is being produced (illustrates the global significance of the grape and, potentially, the region) C.) The importance or prominence of the wine in how it is labeled (certain international varieties, such as Merlot, have such universal recognition that the grape variety is often printed in larger font then the region and sometimes even the winery name)
 * But, again, the objective is to illustrate and inform and to make the most well developed and informative wine articles we can. This is a team effort and I very, very enthusiastically welcome any assistance in working towards this objective. You can accomplish your agenda very easily and vanquish these images that trouble you so dearly. Just replace them with something better. Help Us Build an Encyclopedia. Roll up your sleeves and get in the trenches to see where we come from and what it is like to search for viable and relevant free-use images that can be used in our articles.
 * And you'll win! You can walk away knowing you won this "internet squabble". Completely, hands down. You da Man! But, yeah, I'll win too because, hopefully, we'll end up with a better article and, in the end, Wikipedia will win. AgneCheese/Wine 23:46, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The photographs don't need to be replaced. Let's start there again. -  NewTestLeper79  talk  15:13, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Then I'm fine with the status quo and leaving the article as is. It's informative and illustrated. Though if you change your mind and find some of the images troublesome then, again, you can still win and have your way by finding something better that will still leave the article informative and illustrated. You'll never find an objection to that and can add your "internet victory" notches to your belt. But wholesale deletion just for the sake of deletion that leaves large swathes of unillustrated sections which lessens the quality of the article will be objected to. AgneCheese/Wine 15:57, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Help Us Build an Encyclopedia
Oddly, after stating that the photos don't need to be replaced, Dudesleeper/NewTestLeeper went ahead and did the wholesale deletion, lessening the quality of the article by gutting valid images and leaving large swathes of the section unillustrated. This, after receiving not only concession but also encouragement that he can very easily achieve his personal agenda and have his way in removing images he doesn't like, just don't leave the article gutted and unillustrated. That's it. In everything else, you win. Remove the pics you don't like, just replace them with something that either maintain that status quo quality level of the article, with all sections relevantly illustrated with informative pics, or maybe even improved with better quality free-use pics. They don't have to show pictures of wine, they just need to be relevant. So either the pics are unoffensive and don't need to be replace or Dudesleeper/NewTestLeeper doesn't need to Help Us Build an Encyclopedia. Instead, I suppose, he feels that he is entitle, without consensus, to do wholesale deletion, lessening the development and quality, without any effort to either maintain or improve the quality of the article. If that is the case, that is unfortunate and objectionable. We have only had 5 participates in this discussion, with only one other editor endorsing his wholesale deletion, but if he is not content to wait for consensus to develop here, he can open up an RfC to seek his desire change. AgneCheese/Wine 18:33, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * You're building your own grave, so I don't need to add much. Might you point me in the direction of some text that shows consensus is needed to remove advertising? Merci. -  NewTestLeper79  talk  19:02, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has been a grave for my free-time and social life for many years now so veiled threats from anonymous usernames doesn't phase me, especially now that your actions are starting to strongly hint at trolling. You have not shown that these images are advertising (merely stating yours and one single other user's personal opinion). When other editors have noted that there are value in these images and that your personal opinion could be extended towards determining that images of anything are advertising, you have dismissed them rather than answer those points.
 * And despite this... you have been given ample opportunity, and even encouragement, to get everything you want (assuming good faith that what you want is in line with building an encyclopedia). You can achieve your personal agenda, vanquish these images that you don't like, and know that you won. The request is simply that you don't gut the article with wholesale deletion, that you Help Us Build an Encyclopedia and replace the images with free-use images that you feel are better. That's it. As long as they're relevant to the topic of Merlot and are free-use, I don't care and I doubt any other editor would. Despite your ludicrous claims of advertising, I could care less if the current images stay in the article (guess I make a pretty shitty ad girl). My only care is that we have illustrated and informative articles and I will object to wholesale deletion that tear down, rather than build up, the encyclopedia. You are the one that cares about these particular images so the fact that you have been given many opportunities to achieve your personal agenda in ways that don't hurt the project, yet have refuse to consider it, is starting to make the assumption of good faith for your actions here suspect. AgneCheese/Wine 17:15, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I didn't see an answer to my question in all of that. -  NewTestLeper79  talk  20:56, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I should be pointing to WP:DONTFEED but the mother in me doesn't want to give up on you as a lost cause despite the growing evidence. I could also point to WP:NOTADVERTISING but you've already demonstrated that you haven't even read that page (much less Spam) and instead is just going to run (perhaps in some Carbrini Sportswear) with whatever your own personal interpretation of what are advertisements (regardless of any challenges to your logic). But until the enactment of your personal interpretations get slotted into the list of decisions not subject to consensus of editors, I kindly request that you still work with the community to build consensus--especially for actions that can significantly and negatively impact our articles.
 * But still.... even if you DON'T WANT to build consensus, even if you don't want to work with other editors to sway them to your POV but just want the satisfaction of having your way, for the sake of peace and compromise, I've been willing to capitulate to your agenda and let you win. I have and I will continue to encourage you to replace the photos with something you think is better. It might be an over extension of good faith but I still want to hope that deep down if you care enough to come to this talk page over the course of several days to argue that maybe, just maybe, you might care enough to want to Help Us Build an Encyclopedia and roll up your sleeves to pitch in. AgneCheese/Wine 23:06, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I've built a fair portion of the encyclopedia, as the relevant page in my profile illustrates; I don't have any intention of adding to wine articles — just removing the blatant "buy this wine"-ness of it all. I'll start the tiresome RfC process tomorrow, because the broken-record replies I'm receiving here aren't exactly expanding my horizons. -  NewTestLeper79  talk  00:03, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * My apologies if working with other editors to help build an encyclopedia is tiresome. You seem quite willing to add your personal agenda and WP:IDONTLIKE it enforcement to this article so it seemed fair to extend good faith that you would be willing to do that is a constructive fashion rather than just destructive, drive by wholesale deletion. Despite your bad faith "buy this wine" assumptions, if working on the RfC becomes tiresome as well (or doesn't go according to your agenda) know that the same, repetitive capitulation to your whim will always be an avenue for you. You will always be able to win and get everything you want. You can remove every single image from this page or any other wine page, just simply replace them with something (hopefully) better that is relevant and free-use. That's it. Always has been and always will. As long as we are building an encyclopedia and keeping our articles informative and illustrated, I don't care. While you are obsessed with images and enforcing your agenda, I will continue working on building the encyclopedia. AgneCheese/Wine 00:29, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that's the 23rd reference to winning. Charlie Sheen might get in touch at this rate. I didn't realise it was a competition. And your questioning my integrity - by putting words in mouth - means I'll have to point you in the direction of the no personal attacks policy. Below is where you'll give an example of where I did it earlier. -  NewTestLeper79  talk  18:51, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * As a women dealing with the male dominated internet, you play to the norm. When you reach a point like I have where you're not emotionally invested in the "small things" (like keeping these exact pictures in the article--despite your accusations of advertizing), you let the other side know its okay for them to "win". Usually this paves the way for them being more receptive with both sides reaching a compromising since it minimizes any ego bruising. It also allows me to focus on what is more important--the integrity of the project and the work that has gone into getting our articles developed to where they are informative and illustrated. If you don't follow the norm of needing to "win" each disagreement and to keep your ego in tact by pounding your opponent into capitulation to your whims then kudos to you, sincerely. The internet would certainly be a less hostile place if we had more of your kind. AgneCheese/Wine 02:41, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

 * , while I'm very grateful for all the good work you've done in this area, I agree with the deletion of the photos and have reverted your reinstatement. Let me address 's comment first: something doesn't have to be forbidden forbidden forbidden to be excluded. There is, likewise, no mandate that requires that we insert photos of wine bottles and glasses. I was struck by the images in that they paid way too much attention to a specific product by a specific winery, more than the wine. That these images illustrate the color, for instance--well, that's hard to get across on a computer screen anyway, and it depends on the lighting when the photo was taken, etc. Merlot is dark blue, reddish, whatever--it's not that important. In addition, I can't say that I'm very impressed by the quality of the photographs; they are a bit pedestrian, like my own photos of beers (sorry). Now, I'll not say it's advertising, or intended as advertising, but I will say that they stress the producer over the product; the focus of these sections is on areas, not on individual wineries, and to say that we need them to illustrate that wine comes from those places is a stretch. We don't need any photos to illustrate such a thing, and if we want them, they should be (as Tomas said) of vineyards, for instance. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 16:20, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * So you don't believe they're advertizing yet are removing them because .... ? Again, I have absolutely ZERO issue with the images being replaced with free-use vineyard pictures or anything else (as long as they're relevant to the topic of Merlot). They are only here because these are the best free-use images that we have ATM. I would LOVE to have better images. But wholesale deletion that leaves this article less developed and less illustrated (especially when there is no policy against these images) is objectionable. Now this article has just a massive wall of unillustrated space that is far less appealing or serviceable to our readers. I will not quickly revert you and give you and Dudesleeper some time to try and fix the damage to the article with finding some replacement images but we can not leave the article in this state---especially when the only reason it is in this state is because of personal opinions and not any valid policy reason. We are here for the readers and our goal should always be striving to make our articles betters. It is easy to envision this article being better without these images but the current abysmal unillustrated state is not it. Help us reach that better state. AgneCheese/Wine 16:31, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * And, yes, I know they are of pedestrian quality. You don't have to apologize :) I'm not a professional photographer by any stretch of the means and these are just iPhone photos shot at wine tastings and such (sometimes after a few tastes :P) But especially since we weren't advertising anything, having pristine quality wasn't a priority and the expectation was always that hopefully better images will come along. But in addition to showing color, there was also informative value in showing the wine region on the label and that this grape has become prominent enough to be featured (often bigger than the wine region and sometimes in bigger font than even the winery). The actual winery itself is irrelevant. It would probably look ridiculous but, heck, I wouldn't care if we Photoshopped the images with a box over the winery name. AgneCheese/Wine 16:49, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I removed them because of the reasons I gave. a. they don't "illustrate" that Merlot comes from those places b. they're not high quality c. they focus way too much attention on the particular winery that made them. Articles don't have to have illustrations to be decent or good (or even Good) articles. Showing a bottle of wine with a certain label on it tells the reader nothing. Properly verified text does: I've visited wineries in the Snake River Valley in Idaho, and had a great time, and drank Merlot, but it doesn't show up in our article. Drmies (talk) 16:53, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * A.) How does a wine with the label MERLOT and Wine Region not show that it comes from those regions? It also shows that the grape is popular enough and well regarded enough to be features from those region. There is a reason why we don't see many varietally labeled Bonda (grape) wines. Also, to some degree it is more valid than a generic vineyard pic since outside of trained ampelographers most people can't recognize a Merlot vine to know that it is a Merlot vineyard. B.) I agree with the quality but that is a personal opinion and while I wholeheartedly welcome better quality pics, there is no minimum requirement for pics to be of professional quality in order to be used. C.) Again, personal opinion. For me the focus is on the wine and the wine region. The winery is irrelevant. D.) I would have no objection to a picture of a Snake River AVA Merlot. That would show the growing prominence of that wine region and its embracing of international varieties like Merlot. Ideally, it would be nice to have more reference text about Idaho Merlot to go with the pic. AgneCheese/Wine 17:02, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * BTW, I agree that just showing a bottle of wine is not helpful, which is why I'm not a fan of the Beringer White Merlot pic (though the fact that it was a clear bottle is somewhat redeeming). That is why I always make it a focus to show the wine with the bottle as a background prop to help properly identify it (i.e. this is a Merlot from a specific wine regions). That way the reader can be sure that what they are looking at is relevant and they can place the context clues (color of the wine, cooler climate--potentially lighter, potentially more reddish hues versus warmer climate--potentially deeper, more bluish hues due to potentially more riper/over ripe grapes). AgneCheese/Wine 17:10, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Might we start removing them from the plethora of other varietal articles (including the one I uploaded in Chardonnay in an act of irony)? That'd be great. -  NewTestLeper79  talk  17:17, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you really feel compelled to be WP:POINTy? AgneCheese/Wine 17:19, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Baby with the bathwater?
Also, can you explain how you feel images like this focus more on the winery rather than the intent--showing how lighter Merlot from Old World wine regions like Lalande-Pomerol are often used for food pairing? Can people even make out the winery name without enlarging the pic? Yet this is objectionable? AgneCheese/Wine 17:18, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't say anything about that photo without being offensive. -  NewTestLeper79  talk  17:22, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That it is unfortunate if that is the case. I would like to know thoughts because, based on his reasoning above, this picture should be acceptable. However, as it usually the case with wholesale deletion--editorial discretion gets thrown out the window. If you are going to use Drmies partial agreement with you (even though he didn't agree with your POV that this is advertisement) to go on a WP:POINTy deletion spree through wine articles then it would be nice to get some clarity on what IS and isn't acceptable. AgneCheese/Wine 17:29, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I have to explain that a plate of partially eaten food isn't acceptable? Please stop being defensive; you aren't helping your stance. -  NewTestLeper79  talk  18:49, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Some areas that could particularly use help
I just finished an updated expansion of the article (about 26,000 bytes of prose) with info from Wine Grapes. This necessitated splintering off some of the wine regions into their own sections. We now have a pretty significant wall of text in the European wine sections from Italy, Spain/Portugal, Central Europe and Rest of Europe. Any help with illustrating those sections with free-use images will be greatly appreciated. AgneCheese/Wine 04:01, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

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User talk:Ehurtley

Astronaut Badge
Sir-

Where did you get the new image for Astronaut Badge? While it is a good image, it looks very much the original Astronaut Wings picture, which was created by the National Personnel Records Center, was modified by “tacking on” the FAA image. I don’t know the copyright rules about that, which is why I’m asking. Thanks for your time! Husnock – 6 Oct 2004

 * Hi, I used the same base NPRC image, and did indeed 'tack on' the FAA image. As both are U.S. Government agencies, and all pictured designs are U.S. government created (therefore, in the Public Domain,) I figured there wouldn't be any copyright issues.  If you know otherwise, I would be happy to re-edit the image using other sources for the military images.  (I did find other sources, I just got lazy and didn't create an all-new image.)  Ehurtley  - 12 Oct 2004

Windows XP 64-bit Edition
User AlistairMcMillan has not yet replied to my 15 October 2005 inquiry as to why he removed my edit on the Windows XP 64-bit Edition page. I figure five days is enough time, so on 20 Oct, I'm going to re-revert to give a page with some detail. Here is my reasoning:

Windows has indeed been ported to different architectures over the years. The most prominent were the ports of NT 4.0 to PowerPC, MIPS, R4x00, and Alpha. These were simple, direct ports. The code for all architectures was on the main NT 4.0 CD (indeed, the disc was bootable on PowerPC, when it was not bootable on x86!) These deserve to be mentioned in the NT 4.0 page as ports.

Windows XP 64-bit Edition, however, is as separate a version of Windows as are Tablet PC and Media Center editions. I am actually of the thought that Windows XP Professional x64 Edition should be listed as a subcategory of Windows XP Professional, as it is closer to being a 'simple port' like the NT 4.0 ports. The Itanium version, however, is specifically *NOT* 'Windows XP Professional'. It is 'Windows XP 64-bit'. It is a separate product.

In my version of the page, the redirect to the x64 page is gone, in its place is a stub page describing the actual Itanium version. This is a case where someone looking for information on one product is shunted to a page on a different product. (Which is how I found it in the first place, I was looking for detailed information on the Itanium version.) How would you like it if you tried to go to a page on the Ford Taurus automobile, only to be shunted to the Ford Five Hundred page, with no mention of the Taurus at all? Ehurtley 00:01, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Speedy-D Music
Thanks for your note. It's not an original phrase, but when I saw it I decided I had to use it. I did add the "Once more, with feeling" part. It seemed appropriate for a Music discussion.— Bill W. (Talk) (Contrib) –  February 23, 2006, 16:06 (UTC)

IFD / Macintosh II images / the Mac gallery on Commons
Hi Ehurtley,

I saw that you replaced the Macintosh II image on Apple Macintosh. Well your new one is certainly much better - but you listed the old one on WP:IFD, which is kind of pointless, since it's located on Commons, where an en.wikipedia IFD will count for nothing and redundant images are rarely ever deleted anyway. In fact, I've been the main maintainer of The Mac collection on Commons for quite a while now, so I've added you new image over there as well, even though we already had another, better Macintosh II image - I just never noticed that the old one was still on Apple Macintosh. Anyway, now the local copy of your image is redundant and blocking the Commons one, and with your permission I'd like to delete it. Please contact me if that's okay with you.

Oh, and you might want to consider getting a Commons account and uploading any further free images you contribute over there, it's a great tool and a great resource, especialy for smaller Wikipedias. If you want more information, I'm an admin over there and would be glad to answer any questions you might have.

Greeting and happy editing,

-- grm_wnr Esc  13:39, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the note. I always forget about the commons.  Yeah, that one is better than mine, go ahead and replace mine with that one, then delete mine.  I just thought that the existing one was so horrid that it had to be replaced.  (heh.  And I like the note at the top of your talk page.  I also can't stand fragmented discussions.  They're too hard to follow.)  Ehurtley 19:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

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Iperó

Iperó is a municipality in the state of São Paulo in Brazil. It is part of the Metropolitan Region of Sorocaba. The population is 37,964 (2020 est.) in an area of 170.29 km². The elevation is 590 m. The Sorocaba River flows near Iperó. Iperó is accessed with the highway SP-280.

Demographics
According to the 2000 IBGE Census, the population was 18,384, of which 12,649 are urban and 5,735 are rural. The average life expectancy was 72.42 years. The literacy rate was 91.8%.

Media
In telecommunications, the city was served by Telecomunicações de São Paulo. In July 1998, this company was acquired by Telefónica, which adopted the Vivo brand in 2012. The company is currently an operator of cell phones, fixed lines, internet (fiber optics/4G) and television (satellite and cable).

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Ipeúna

Ipeúna is a municipality in the state of São Paulo in Brazil. The population is 7,687 (2020 est.) in an area of 190 km². The elevation is 635 m.

Media
In telecommunications, the city was served by Telecomunicações de São Paulo. In July 1998, this company was acquired by Telefónica, which adopted the Vivo brand in 2012. The company is currently an operator of cell phones, fixed lines, internet (fiber optics/4G) and television (satellite and cable).

Religion
Christianity is present in the city as follows:

Catholic Church
The Catholic church in the municipality is part of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Piracicaba.

Protestant Church
The most diverse evangelical beliefs are present in the city, mainly Pentecostal, including the Assemblies of God in Brazil (the largest evangelical church in the country), Christian Congregation in Brazil, among others. These denominations are growing more and more throughout Brazil.

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Margaret Juntwait

Margaret Ann Juntwait (March 18, 1957 – June 3, 2015) was an American radio broadcaster, best known as the announcer of the Metropolitan Opera radio broadcasts. After thirteen years on the air at WNYC-Radio, she debuted as the Met's announcer on December 11, 2004. She was also the Met's first announcer on Sirius XM Satellite Radio from 2006, and remained in both jobs until her death in 2015.

Early years
Raised in Ridgewood and Upper Saddle River, New Jersey, Juntwait attended Northern Highlands Regional High School, where she first developed an interest in choral music. Later, she studied to be an opera singer – she was a lyric soprano – and earned a degree in voice from the Manhattan School of Music in 1980. After marrying, she withdrew from an operatic career in favor of raising her three children.

Broadcasting career
Juntwait began her career as a classical music radio announcer in 1991 at WNYC-FM radio in New York City.

In 2000, while continuing at WNYC, she began her Metropolitan Opera career as the back-up announcer for radio host Peter Allen, who retired from the Metropolitan Opera radio broadcasts in May 2004. With the 2004–2005 broadcast season, Juntwait took to the air on her own, introducing a performance of Verdi's I Vespri Sicilani. She became only the third regular announcer for the broadcasts, following Milton Cross and Allen.

On September 20, 2006, the Met announced that Juntwait would become a full-time Met employee, having been appointed as announcer of all programs on Sirius Satellite Radio's new Metropolitan Opera Radio channel. On Sirius, Juntwait hosted three or four live broadcasts a week during the opera season, and recorded introductions for hundreds of archive performances aired on the channel.

Juntwait also performed in radio theater plays produced by NPR veteran Joe Bevilacqua, including The Whithering of Willoughby and the Professor. In episode 16, Juntwait essays three roles in a parody of the British show The Prisoner from the 1960s. In episode 17, Juntwait portrays Willoughby's mother, a mermaid and god. The plays aired on "The Comedy-O-Rama Hour", heard on XM Satellite Radio's Sonic Theater Channel.

Juntwait died of ovarian cancer at a hospice facility in Saddle River, New Jersey on June 3, 2015, aged 58. According to a memorial published on the Metropolitan Opera website, Juntwait had been diagnosed with cancer over ten years prior to her death, but continued working with the Metropolitan Opera, missing only one Saturday matinee broadcast before January 2015. Her final live broadcast was on SiriusXM Radio on December 31, 2014. She recorded material for future broadcasts just a few weeks before she died.

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Ipiguá

Ipiguá is a municipality in the state of São Paulo, Brazil. The population is 5,476 (2020 est.) in an area of 136 km². Ipiguá is located 20 km from São José do Rio Preto. The municipality belongs to the Microregion of São José do Rio Preto.

Media
In telecommunications, the city was served by Telecomunicações de São Paulo. In July 1998, this company was acquired by Telefónica, which adopted the Vivo brand in 2012. The company is currently an operator of cell phones, fixed lines, internet (fiber optics/4G) and television (satellite and cable).

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Iporanga

Iporanga is a municipality in the state of São Paulo in Brazil. The population is 4,199 (2020 est.) in an area of 1152 km2. The elevation is 81 m.

Iporanga contains parts of the Alto Ribeira and Baixo Ribeira sub-basins of the Ribeira de Iguape River basin. The municipality contains part of the 488865 ha Serra do Mar Environmental Protection Area, created in 1984. It contains part of the 41704 ha Intervales State Park, created in 1995. It contains part of the 40175 ha Caverna do Diabo State Park, created in 2008. It contains 55% of the 64625 ha Quilombos do Médio Ribeira Environmental Protection Area, established in 2008.

Media
In telecommunications, the city was served by Companhia de Telecomunicações do Estado de São Paulo until 1975, when it began to be served by Telecomunicações de São Paulo. In July 1998, this company was acquired by Telefónica, which adopted the Vivo brand in 2012.

The company is currently an operator of cell phones, fixed lines, internet (fiber optics/4G) and television (satellite and cable).

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Kolbuszowa County

Kolbuszowa County (powiat kolbuszowski) is a unit of territorial administration and local government (powiat) in Subcarpathian Voivodeship, south-eastern Poland. It came into being on January 1, 1999, as a result of the Polish local government reforms passed in 1998. Its administrative seat and only town is Kolbuszowa, which lies 30 km north-west of the regional capital Rzeszów.

The county covers an area of 773.93 km2. its total population is 62,389, out of which the population of Kolbuszowa is 9,075 and the rural population is 53,314.

Neighbouring counties
Kolbuszowa County is bordered by Tarnobrzeg County and Stalowa Wola County to the north, Nisko County to the north-east, Rzeszów County to the south-east, Ropczyce-Sędziszów County to the south, and Mielec County to the west.

Administrative division
The county is subdivided into six gminas (one urban-rural and five rural). These are listed in the following table, in descending order of population.

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Ipuã

Ipuã is a municipality in the state of São Paulo in Brazil. The population is 16,604 (2020 est.) in an area of 466 km². The elevation is 555 m.

History
The municipality was created by state law in 1948.

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Iracemápolis

Iracemápolis is a municipality in the state of São Paulo in Brazil. The population is 24,614 (2020 est.) in an area of 115.1 km². The elevation is 608 m.

It is known as the birthplace of footballer Elano.

Media
In telecommunications, the city was served by Telecomunicações de São Paulo. In July 1998, this company was acquired by Telefónica, which adopted the Vivo brand in 2012. The company is currently an operator of cell phones, fixed lines, internet (fiber optics/4G) and television (satellite and cable).

Religion
Christianity is present in the city as follows:

Catholic Church
The Catholic church in the municipality is part of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Limeira.

Protestant Church
The most diverse evangelical beliefs are present in the city, mainly Pentecostal, including the Assemblies of God in Brazil (the largest evangelical church in the country), Christian Congregation in Brazil, among others. These denominations are growing more and more throughout Brazil.

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Talk:Integrable function

Should p be restricted to $$p\ge 1$$ for $$L^p$$-spaces?

 * Well, its a well defined set for any $$p\ge 0$$, its just not a Banach space. p between 0 and 1 appears in Hardy space theory, and $$L^0$$ appears occasionally in uniqueness theory. So I guess we can leave the text as it is. Gadykozma 22:27, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

"measurable space X with a sigma-algebra σ"?
The measurable space is the pair (X, σ) so this is wrong. I'm changing it to "set X with..." but I'm not sure if it's best. Is "measure space (X, σ, μ)" better, or "measurble space (X, σ) and a measure μ"?

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Irapuru

Irapuru is a municipality in the state of São Paulo, Brazil. Its population is 8,325 (2020 est.) in an area of 214 km². The elevation is 436 m.

Media
In telecommunications, the city was served by Telecomunicações de São Paulo. In July 1998, this company was acquired by Telefónica, which adopted the Vivo brand in 2012. The company is currently an operator of cell phones, fixed lines, internet (fiber optics/4G) and television (satellite and cable).

Religion
Christianity is present in the city as follows:

Catholic Church
The Catholic church in the municipality is part of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Marília.

Protestant Church
The most diverse evangelical beliefs are present in the city, mainly Pentecostal, including the Assemblies of God in Brazil (the largest evangelical church in the country), Christian Congregation in Brazil, among others. These denominations are growing more and more throughout Brazil.

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User:Haxwell

A computer programmer by trade, currently in Denver, Colorado, United States. Speaks English, and some Spanish. Interested in the Truth, economics and finance, Bitcoin, the funk, science, religion, also history, and congas.

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John Bull (locomotive)

John Bull is a historic British-built railroad steam locomotive that operated in the United States. It was operated for the first time on September 15, 1831, and became the oldest operable steam locomotive in the world when the Smithsonian Institution ran it under its own steam in 1981. Built by Robert Stephenson and Company, it was initially purchased by and operated for the Camden and Amboy Railroad, the first railroad in New Jersey, which gave it the number 1 and its first name, "Stevens". (Robert L. Stevens was president of the Camden and Amboy Railroad at the time.) The C&A used it heavily from 1833 until 1866, when it was removed from active service and placed in storage.

After the C&A's assets were acquired by the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) in 1871, the PRR refurbished and operated the locomotive a few times for public displays: it was fired up for the Centennial Exposition in 1876 and again for the National Railway Appliance Exhibition in 1883. In 1884 it was purchased by the Smithsonian Institution as the museum's first major industrial exhibit.

In 1939 the employees of the PRR's Altoona, Pennsylvania workshops built an operable replica of the locomotive for further exhibition duties, as the Smithsonian wanted to keep the original locomotive in a more controlled environment. After being on static display for 42 years, the Smithsonian commemorated the locomotive's 150th birthday in 1981 by firing it up; it was then the world's oldest surviving operable steam locomotive.

, the original John Bull is on static display in the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History in Washington, D.C., and the replica is preserved at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania in Strasburg, Pennsylvania.

Construction and initial use

The John Bull was built in Newcastle, England, by Robert Stephenson and Company for the Camden and Amboy Railroad (C&A), the first railroad built in New Jersey. It was dismantled and then shipped across the Atlantic Ocean in crates aboard the Allegheny. C&A engineer Isaac Dripps reconstructed the locomotive to the best of his ability (the shipment did not include any drawings or instructions to assemble the locomotive) and ran it for the first time in September 1831. On November 12, 1831, Robert Stevens (then president of the C&A) repaid some political debts by inviting several members of the New Jersey legislature and some local dignitaries, including Napoleon's nephew Prince Murat, for rides behind the newly delivered locomotive over a short test track. The prince's wife, Catherine Willis Gray, made a point of hurrying onto the train so she could be declared the first woman to ride a steam-powered train in America, though unknown to her, men and women had already ridden behind the steam powered maiden runs on the Baltimore and Ohio, South Carolina Railroad, and the Mohawk and Hudson by this point in 1831.

Until the railroad was completed, the locomotive was placed in storage; horse-drawn cars served the construction efforts until 1833. The C&A applied both numbers and names to their first locomotives, giving this engine the number 1 and officially naming it Stevens after Robert L. Stevens. However, through regular use of the engine, crews began calling it the old John Bull, a reference to the cartoon personification of England, John Bull. Eventually the informal name was shortened to John Bull and this name was so much more widely used that Stevens fell out of use.

In September 1836 the John Bull and two coaches were shipped by canal to Harrisburg, and became the first locomotive to operate there.

Mechanical modifications and early exhibitions

Stephenson built the locomotive originally as an 0-4-0. Power was transmitted to the driving axles from pistons that were mounted under the boiler between the two front wheels and in front of the front axle. The main rods of the inside cylinders were connected to a rear crank axle, with a connecting rod between the two axles providing power to the front axle.

Due to poorer quality track than was the norm in its native England, the locomotive tended to derail, so the C&A's engineers added a leading truck to help guide the engine into curves. The leading truck's mechanism necessitated the removal of the coupling rod between the two main axles, leaving only the rear axle powered. Effectively, the John Bull became a 4-2-0. Later, the C&A also added a pilot ("cowcatcher") to the lead truck. The cowcatcher is an angled assembly designed to deflect animals and debris off of the railroad track in front of the locomotive. To protect the locomotive's crew from the weather, the C&A added a cab to the locomotive, and C&A workshop crews added safety features such as a bell and headlight.

After several years serving as a switching engine and stationary boiler, the John Bull was retired in 1866 and stored in Bordentown, New Jersey. Toward the end of its life in revenue service, the locomotive worked as a pump engine and as the power for a sawmill.

The C&A was soon absorbed into the United New Jersey Railroad and Canal Company (1869), which, in turn, was merged into the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) in 1871. The PRR saw the potential publicity to be gained by exhibiting such an old engine, showing it at the 1876 Centennial Exposition in Philadelphia; PRR workshop staff then retrofitted the engine to look more as it originally had. The wide funnel was replaced with a straight metal tube and the cab walls and roof were removed. The PRR then exhibited the engine in 1883 at the National Railway Appliance Exhibition in Chicago, Illinois. In 1885, the Smithsonian Institution accepted the donation of the John Bull from the PRR as the Institution's first large engineering artifact.

Smithsonian Institution and locomotive restoration
At the exhibition in 1883, the Pennsylvania Railroad ended up resolving two problems at once. In the Smithsonian Institution, the railroad was able to find a home for the historic locomotive, as well as a suitable new employer for a young civil engineer named J. Elfreth Watkins. Watkins had been involved in an accident on the railroad in New Jersey a few years before the exhibition. He had lost a leg in the accident, so he was no longer suited to the physical demands of railroad work, although the railroad did employ him as a clerk for a while after his accident. The PRR employed his engineering experience as an expert curator for the Smithsonian's new Arts and Industries Building, which was opened in 1880. The locomotive's first public exhibition at the Smithsonian occurred on December 22, 1884, where it was displayed in the East Hall of the Arts and Industries building.

The locomotive remained on display in this location for nearly 80 years, but it was transported for display outside the museum on certain rare occasions. The most significant display in this time occurred in 1893 when the locomotive traveled to Chicago for the World's Columbian Exposition. The Pennsylvania Railroad, like many other railroads of the time, put on grand displays of their progress; the PRR arranged for the locomotive and a couple of coaches to be delivered to the railroad's Jersey City, New Jersey, workshops where it would undergo a partial restoration to operating condition. The PRR was planning an event worthy of the locomotive's significance to American railroad history — the railroad actually planned to operate the locomotive for the entire distance between New Jersey and Chicago.

The restoration was supervised by the PRR's chief mechanical officer, Theodore N. Ely. Ely was confident enough in its 50-mile (80.5 km) test run to Perth Amboy, New Jersey (which took two hours and fifteen minutes), that the governors of all the states that the locomotive was to pass through and the then President of the United States, Grover Cleveland, were invited to ride behind the engine on its first leg toward Chicago. The John Bull was to pull a few passenger cars in a train that would carry dignitaries and representatives of the press. The train traveled to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in the charge of one locomotive crew. From Philadelphia, local engineers (train drivers) were employed to ride on the locomotive's footplate as pilots to advise the operators for the trip over the local engineers' territories for the rest of the journey to Chicago. Traveling at 25 to 30 mph, the train departed from the Pennsylvania Railroad's Jersey City station at 10:16 a.m. on April 17 and reached Chicago on April 22. The locomotive operated during the exhibition giving rides to the exhibition's attendees, and then the train left Chicago on December 6 for the return trip to Washington. The locomotive arrived back in Washington on December 13.

In 1927 the John Bull again traveled outside the museum. The Baltimore and Ohio Railroad was celebrating its centenary that year in its Fair of the Iron Horse in Baltimore, Maryland. Since the locomotive's original tender (fuel and water car) had deteriorated beyond repair and was dismantled in 1910, the PRR built a replica of the tender at its Altoona, Pennsylvania, workshops. The locomotive was also refurbished in Altoona for operation during the fair. This fair was the last steam up for the locomotive until 1980.

(Mostly) static display
After the locomotive returned to the Smithsonian, it remained on static display. In 1930 the museum commissioned the Altoona Works to build a second replica of the locomotive's tender for display with the locomotive in the museum. This replica tender integrated some of the fittings of the original that the museum had retained when it had been dismantled twenty years earlier.

The Smithsonian recognized the locomotive's age in 1931, but, since the museum did not have the funds to refurbish the locomotive for full operation again, it was decided to run the locomotive in place (with the driving wheels lifted off the rails using jacks) with compressed air. The museum borrowed an 1836 coach from the Pennsylvania Railroad to display on the track behind the newly rebuilt tender, and the locomotive's 100th birthday was officially celebrated on November 12, 1931. The locomotive's semi-operation was broadcast over the CBS radio network with Stanley Bell narrating the ceremonies for the radio audience.

The PRR again borrowed the locomotive and rebuilt tender from 1933 to 1934 for the Century of Progress exhibition in Chicago. Unlike its earlier round-trip to Chicago under its own steam, the engine was hauled and displayed as a static exhibit. During the exhibit the Altoona Works built a operable replica, which was operated in 1940 at the New York World's Fair, while the original locomotive returned to the Smithsonian.

The John Bull was displayed outside the museum one more time in 1939 at the New York World's Fair, but the museum's curators decided that the locomotive was becoming too fragile for repeated outside exhibits. It was then placed in somewhat permanent display back in the East Hall where it remained for the next 25 years. In 1964 the locomotive was moved to its current home, the National Museum of American History, then called the Museum of History and Technology.

The John Bull had remained on static display for another 15 years, but the locomotive's significance as one of the oldest in existence, or its use on the first railroad in New Jersey, was not very plainly noted in the display's literature. As 1981 and the locomotive's 150th birthday approached, the Smithsonian started discussions on how best to commemorate the John Bull's age and significance. There was very little question that special publications and exhibits would be prepared, but museum officials were left with the thought that the exhibit could still be so much more than that.

Many superficial inspections were performed on the locomotive in 1980 and it was found to be in relatively sound mechanical condition. No significant amount of deterioration was noted in these early inspections, and when the wheels were jacked off the rails, as they had been 50 years earlier, the axles were found to be freely operable. One morning in January 1980, before the museum opened to the public, museum officials used compressed air to power the cylinders and move the wheels through the connecting rods for the first time since its last semi-operation. After the compressed air blew some dirt and debris out of the locomotive's exhaust stack, it was soon running smoothly.

The running gear seemed to be in good order, but it was still not known whether the boiler could still handle the pressure of steam and a live fire again. The museum asked the Hartford Steam Boiler Inspection and Insurance Company to inspect the locomotive's boiler for operation. The inspections were conducted after hours at the museum (from 6:30 p.m. to 4:00 a.m.) over three days and included electromagnetic, ultrasonic, and radiographic tests. The tests did reveal a few flaws, but it was projected that the engine could operate at a reduced boiler pressure of 50 psi (340 kPa); as delivered to the Camden & Amboy, the boiler was rated for 70 psi. The Smithsonian's staff, after a few further hydrostatic tests, were confident that the locomotive could again operate under its own power. The items that needed repair were serviced, and on October 14, 1980, the locomotive was successfully field-tested on the Warrenton Branch Line in Fauquier County between Calverton and Casanova, Virginia. The site was selected because at the time only one freight train per week used the branch line. On September 15, 1981, the locomotive operated under steam on a few miles of branch line near the Potomac River within Washington, D.C. With this exhibition, the locomotive became the oldest operable steam locomotive (and oldest self-propelled vehicle) in the world.

, the original John Bull was on static display in the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History and the replica was preserved at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania.

Timeline

 * June 18, 1831: The John Bull is built by Stephenson and Company in Britain.
 * July 14, 1831: The John Bull departs Liverpool aboard the ship Allegheny bound for Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
 * September 4, 1831: The John Bull arrives in Philadelphia.
 * September 15, 1831: The John Bull makes its first runs in New Jersey under its own power.
 * November 12, 1831: Robert Stevens hosts a group of New Jersey politicians on a series of trial runs pulled by the John Bull.
 * 1833: The John Bull is one of a few locomotives operating on the newly completed Camden and Amboy Railroad.
 * 1866: The John Bull is retired from regular service.
 * 1876: The John Bull is displayed at the United States Centennial Exposition in Philadelphia.
 * 1883: The Pennsylvania Railroad displays John Bull at the National Railway Appliance Exhibition in Chicago, Illinois.
 * 1884: The Smithsonian Institution acquires the John Bull from the Pennsylvania Railroad
 * 1893: The John Bull operates at the World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago.
 * 1910: The original tender, now deteriorated beyond repair, is dismantled by Smithsonian staff. Usable fittings from the tender are placed in storage.
 * 1927: The Baltimore and Ohio Railroad borrows the John Bull to operate at the Fair of the Iron Horse in Baltimore, Maryland.
 * 1930: A replica tender is commissioned by the Smithsonian and built by the Pennsylvania Railroad using the fittings previously salvaged from the original tender; the new tender is displayed with the locomotive at the museum.
 * November 12, 1931: The Smithsonian celebrates the locomotive's 100th "birthday," using compressed air to operate the stationary engine (stabilized on jacks) within the museum's exhibit hall.
 * 1933–1934: The Pennsylvania Railroad borrows the John Bull to display it at the Century of Progress Exhibition in Chicago.
 * 1939: The original John Bull is displayed in the opening of the New York World's Fair.
 * 1940: A replica of the John Bull, built by engineers at the Pennsylvania Railroad's Juniata Shops in Altoona, Pennsylvania, is displayed at the New York World's Fair, and the original is returned to the Smithsonian.
 * October 14, 1980: The John Bull is restored to operating condition, and tested on the Warrenton Branch Line in Fauquier County, Virginia.
 * September 15, 1981: The John Bull operates in Washington, D.C., on the 150th anniversary of its first use, becoming the oldest operable steam locomotive (and oldest self-propelled vehicle) in the world.
 * 1985: The John Bull is carried aboard an airplane for an exhibition in Dallas, Texas, making it the oldest locomotive in the world to travel by air.

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Talk:Porsche Carrera GT

Famous owners list
There is a discussion of having a list like the one on this one deleted, well I am totally up for it. Well it currently under discussion here. Willirennen 20.51 2 December 2006
 * As with other supercar pages, this owners list has been vandalised before and also because it is unsourced, therefore at the end of this week, this famous owners list will be deleted. If there is any objections, feel free to discuss. Willirennen 17:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Technology
Removed this sentence: "The overall technological concept of the Carrera GT could be described as representing the absolute pinnacle of classic mechanical engineering, as opposed to other supercars like the Enzo Ferrari, which rely more heavily on the ever increasing influence of electronics and computers on the driving experience."

Sorry to annoy anyone who frequently edits this site, I just thought this was a bit speculative. Feel free to replace. --86.139.109.242 23:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Porsche GT1 Technology?
What about the Porsche GT1, though? (Yes, I know it's a rumour right now, but let's just speculate.) Do you think it'll be more influenced by electronics and modern technology? Or will is still be the "absolute pinnacle of classic mechanical engineering"? And is that necessarily a bad thing? I mean, everything has its advantages, but they also have there disadvantages, too, don't they? Hmm, how interesting... --RyanRainbowPorscheGuy, August 06, 2007 (ASU)

It does carry the racing pedigree of the GT1 but in its own way. U1Quattro (talk) 12:43, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

72 degree v10?
As if mechanically inclined are never gonna ask. there is ridiculous v10 and then there is one the correct angle of 72 degrees. Can anyone answer in the article? this isn't a dodge viper here!

 * Yes, the Porsche Carrera GT does in fact have a V10. You can easily find this information by searching Google. —Mr Grim Reaper (Talk | contribs), 01:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Retarded Jeremy Clarkson quote
The intro used to say "In Jeremy Clarkson's own words, 'Super Car Un-Plugged.'" Ok- A) who cares what Jeremy Clarkson says, he's one of the most biased car reviewers out there, and B) what the hell does "Super Car Un-Plugged" mean? I removed this quote as it doesn't have a clear meaning, and doesn't add anything to the article. Dont know how to sign edits ... 9:06, 27 July 2007

 * I would agree, Jeremy Clarkson's opinion about a vehicle is irrelevant outside of England. The guy is an absolute auto zionist, who claims cars built in England are far superior to anything made elsewhere. If you disagree, just take a look at the Clarkson's Top 100. While entertaining to watch, he's a novelty to the UK and not relevant to the rest of the world. Korismo 21:35, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

the rest of the world doesn't matter Jeremy Clarkson is God! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.107.190.44 (talk) 17:43, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Ummm
it was "nominated fastest car of 2005"?Geoman888 (talk) 13:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

History of the name "Carrera"?
Does anyone know where the name Carrera came from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.123.133.47 (talk) 10:12, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_911#911_Carrera_RS_.281973_and_1974.29 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.86.206.119 (talk) 19:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

 * What I'm interested in is that I always used to think that Carrera referred to the 911, but then I saw this car. How does Porsche decide what cars are going to be called Carrera? Sbwoodside (talk) 01:48, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Carrera refers to the Carrera Panamericana, casually referred to as "the Great Mexican road race." It was held for several years in the 1950s and Porsche 550 Spyders did particularly well in it. Hence Porsche's adoption of the name, much like Dodge calling some of their cars Daytonas.173.62.15.245 (talk) 19:33, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Famous deaths
I suggest all sports car entries show a list of deaths connected with these cars. Otherwise the entire industry is biased towards hiding one of the massive causes of painful, agonising deaths in the history of humanity. Fast cars - superfluous and absolutely unnecessary. RIP Paul Walker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.240.155 (talk) 06:26, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Just like the movies he's made should list all the people dying because they stupidly copied his behaviour? 91.195.79.7 (talk) 17:06, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not the place for this, and while it is sad that someone has died in the car, the notability factor as it relates to the car should be on his page, not here as this page is about the car itself.. --talk WPPilot 03:15, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

CNN reference
Here's a source of details that could be worth adding: Since the article is currently semi-protected, here are some excerpts that if properly edited and located would be worth considering as an addition: The CNN ref can also be cited as a confirming ref as to how many were produced. 67.100.127.160 (talk) 20:27, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Todd Trimble, an exotic car mechanic in Las Vegas, said the Carrera GT is a "very hard car to drive... It's [a] pure racer's car. You really need to know what you're doing when you drive them. And a lot of people are learning the hard way."
 * The Carrera GT is also unusual because it has no electronic stability control.
 * As per above, Wikipedia is not the place for this, and while it is sad that someone has died in the car, the notability factor as it relates to the car should be on his page, not here as this page is about the car itself.. --WPPilot talk 03:15, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
 * First I'd argue that Paul Walker's death should be mentioned since that's one of the most notable facts about the car and is one of the main reasons people know about it. For comparison the largest section in Porsche 550 Spyder is about James Dean. Second, contrary to your statement two of the proposed additions are about the car and talk about the car's driveability and safety. The fact that the car is incredibly difficult to drive is a very important fact that would probably be both interesting and potentially quite important to users who might have an opportunity to drive one. Right now the article reads more like a press release. Aluchko (talk) 09:47, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * "This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject." that is the second sentence at the top of this page. That being said it is a matter of notability: the Wikipedia guidelines, as noted in the top of the page does not really take into account the fact that someone notable died in a vehicle. I have driven this car as well, my father owned one. The fact that a third party was driving a car that a notable passenger died in does not really meet the threshold required to make this notation on this page. If it did, then any person, of notability that has died in a car, plane, boat or so on, would be listed in that vehicles/watercraft/aircraft's page, not really practical as you can see. Jay Lenno has/had a GT, he crashed it but you do not see that mentioned. James Dean was in fact the driver of the car that he died in, the page on the car he was driving hardly mentions it, yet the page on him, does in great detail. For continuity we need to make sure that refs are properly sourced and linked in the story. If CNN has a published story about the cars handling that it can be used. Sadly, it was the driver of this car that was responsible for Paul Walker's death, not the car. He was a professional driver at that. Had he been driving rationally, this would have not happened. WPPilot 17:13, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

"This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject" I don't believe that's been violated, the discussion has been the content of the article. As for notability, I was mistaken in the degree to which the Spider page mentioned James Dean's death, I'm not highly versed in wikipedia guidelines but a notable person dying in a vehicle where a primary characteristic of the vehicle was a factor (the GT being a difficult to handle sportscar) does seem relevant. To be clear a reference where the subject is the safety of the car would be acceptable, and but not a reference where the subject is the handling of the car from the perspective of Paul Walker's death? Aluchko (talk) 05:04, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

 * It would require a published professional report, that can be linked in the story to something that supports your perspective. I do not think that the police think it was a handling issue, it had more to do with the driver doing 130 on a 45mph street. The fact that this car does not come equipped with traction control does not help the driver limit the speed. The police will not have a accident report to make public for 90 days. The driver that was at the controls, was a professional and should have known the cars driving quirks when he took the wheel. Once again, the details are well placed on HIS page, but for the story about the car to include who died in it as a passenger would set a standard that would not be practical, as mentioned before you would then have to apply this logic to all things that have had famous people die as passengers in them. Airplanes are hard to handle, shall we publish the lists of all those that were killed as passengers too? WPPilot 14:57, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * When you drinking with speed of 160 km on top of the hill, the car left up and going off the ground , Roger Rodas landed a second later on a cat's eye retroreflective safety device . Then the front suspension broken. 2A02:A460:3E5B:1:B81C:8215:8FE5:D1DD (talk) 20:28, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Porsche Carrera GT's predecessor
The Porsche 911 GT1 was not developed as a successor to the Porsche 959. It succeeded the Porsche 962 and doesn't hold any further successor due to Porsche pulling out of GT1 class racing. In the light of the above facts, the GT1 isn't the Carrera GT's predecessor. U1Quattro (talk) 12:55, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

The legend of the beech-wooden gear knob
Unbelievable how long this joke entry survives in the article. And no one notices. --91.47.20.137 (talk) 07:45, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It appears that I don't have the sophisticated sense of humor required to get this joke, but I took out the whole thing about the shift knob. Larry Hockett (Talk) 08:04, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Also a solution (especially when there's lack of humor). --91.47.20.137 (talk) 10:57, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

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