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Talk:Poodle Hat

Hardware Store a parody?
I don't believe that Hardware Store is a parody of anything, especially not of "Life Is a Rock (But the Radio Rolled Me)". It does not appear anywhere on his Parodys/Polkas page on the official site (here). Bkid 23:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

 * The official page only lists direct parodies and unchanged lyrical elements for the polkas. Nobody is claiming that Hardware Store is a direct parody, it's mentioned as a "possible pastiche".  There is no debate that "Everything You Know is Wrong" is a They Might Be Giants pastiche, or that "Dare To Be Stupid" is a Devo pastiche, in part because Al has said outright that they are.  But they're originals, not parodies, so they're listed as such, just like "Hardware Store".  Incidentally, his most recent album marks the first time that he listed subjects of his pastiches in the "Special Thanks" section of the liner notes (for example, "Virus Alert" is not a direct parody of any Sparks song, but the founding members, Ron & Russell Mael, are in the "Special Thanks" list). - Ugliness Man 11:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Al himself says that Hardware Store is not a style parody: "In fact, I enjoy doing these kinds of songs so much, I hardly ever do an 'original' original any more. (I guess 'Hardware Store' could be considered a true original – but truth be told, that was actually a screwed-up style parody. I started out trying to write in the style of a particular group, but I got it so wrong that I just gave up and did it my own way instead.)" http://www.weirdal.com/aaarchive.htm#062806 --Jere7my 23:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Interestingly, his original has been parodied...scan down this page for "Dumbledore" I mention :-) 78.86.230.62 (talk) 22:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Genius in France
Has Al mentioned it taking elements from Frank Zappa? Because it also seems to contain Todd Rundgren's style of music, instrument use, and definately vocal tones. Further discussion should take place here. - Silvanos| 7:16, 28 October 2006(UTC)
 * Al has stated plainly and unambiguously that it is a Frank Zappa tribute . Frank's son Dweezil plays guitar on it, too.  Al has, however, never mentioned anything about Todd Rundgren.  There does indeed need to be further discussion, specifically something verifiable that points to a Rundgren tribute, and a personal opinion stating an apparant similarity isn't verifiable.  I'm removing the reference, if you intend to restore it come up with something more solid please. - Ugliness Man 15:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I know this isn't an acceptable justification for a well referenced article, but if you've listened to much Zappa it's very, very clear that it's a Zappa tribute and a Zappa tribute only. I only own one Todd Rundgren album, and there are similarities between their styles, but I think it's generally accepted that Rundgren was heavily influenced by Zappa; in fact, it even says so on the Todd Rundgren entry (although it is unsourced...). I personally don't think it's worth mentioning Todd Rundgren, that's like saying the White Stripes are influenced by Jet because they are both influenced by Iggy Pop... Mrjohn 03:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Cover Art
All the other albums have cover art references...this one (front and back) is a reference to Billy Joel's Turnstiles, although his song Piano Man (which is parodied on Poodle Hat) comes from a different album. ZimZimmah 20:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Money?
Someone added a comment that the beginning of "Hardware Store" sounds similar to Pink Floyd's "Money". I am removing this because the similarity is vague. You could just as easily say that it sounds like the beginning of "Silly Love Songs" or "Allentown". All of the aforementioned songs start off with rhytmic sounds that resemble basic industrial noises ("industrial" referring to tools and heavy machinery, not the musical genre). Further, "Money" is in 9/8 swing-time, whereas "Hardware Store" and the other two songs I mentioned are all in straight 4/4 time. - Ugliness Man 13:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Which Backstreet Boy is Gay?
It's not mentioend anywhere on wiki, so I wonder if it's actuall his song. - Darkhawk
 * No, it's not a Weird Al song, it's by a guy called MikeBoySlim. In fact, it's odd that you ask about this on the Poodle Hat article, considering that this is the album which has a parody of that BSB song that Al actually did perform ("eBay").  Anyway, you might want to consult the Not Al list for future reference, there are literally dozens of songs attributed to Al which he had nothing to do with. - Ugliness Man 05:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

P.O.D.
Since it was asked why the mention of P.O.D. in the Trivia section got reverted for "no good reason", I just wanted to deal with it a little here. The fact that none of the members of P.O.D. are white is pretty much incidental. The title "Angry White Boy Polka" is just a title, and, aside from the Eminem capper, the common thread among the artists chosen is the music style, not race. On another album Al did a medly called "Alternative Polka", but some people would argue that many (or even all) of the artists chosen are not necessarily "alternative" (Sheryl Crow comes to mind). However, there is currently no mention of this on the Bad Hair Day article, because it is unencyclopedic and largely irrelevant. This is an online encyclopedia, not a fan forum, and such comments might be relevant elsewhere, and perhaps if the polka medly ended up with its own article (which won't happen), such a tidbit might be noteworthy, but it's certainly not something worth mentioning on the article about the whole album

In addition, the way that the comment was phrased was awkward. If it was decided with consensus that the comment should be included in the article, it will need to be rephrased. - Ugliness Man 08:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Wanna B Ur Lovr = Beck, not Prince
The title of Wanna B Ur Lovr may be a Prince reference, but the song itself is blatantly a Beck pastiche. The "Girl, you must be Jamaican" repeated line is a direct riff on "Keep your lamplights trimmed and burning" from Peaches & Cream, for instance. Beck was himself influenced by Prince on that album, which may account for some of the confusion. --Jere7my 22:44, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, here we go. Al himself replies to a fan question: "Jeannie of Tokyo, Japan asks: Was 'Wanna B Ur Lovr' intended to be a style parody of anyone specific? It totally sounds like Midnite Vultures-era Beck to me, but I was just wondering. AL: You’re right on the money. The Prince-like title throws a lot of people, but that song is actually intended to sound like me trying to sound like Beck trying to sound like Prince." http://www.weirdal.com/aaarchive.htm --Jere7my 23:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

messed up song links
Some of the songs link to pages that do not exist, yet some of the songs link to not song pages, but "EBay" links to the website eBay, Bob links to Bob (song), and others link right back to "Poodle Hat". People have created redirect pages linking back. Should these redirect pages be removed? Changed? That wasn't very thought through. Although, I don't know how I would go about fixing this. Yelling Bird 03:37, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

5 Senses
Somebody posted that "Starting with Alapalooza, through Poodle Hat, the center of the CD represents one of the five senses. The 'sense' for Poodle Hat is the sense of taste."

The problem with this is between Alapalooza and Poodle Hat, there are only 4 CD's so it can't represent the 5 sense. I don't want to delete it if it is true, but can somebody fill me in. I just assumed the covers were weird pictures. I guess it makes a little sense:

 * Alapalooza: Probably Smelling
 * Bad Hair Day: ??? (Possibly the ability to 'Touch')
 * Running With Scissors: ??? (Possibly 'Hearing')
 * Poodle Hat: Supposedly Taste

Can somebody fill me in.--Gen. Quon 17:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Nowhere does it say *all* 5 senses are covered through the 4 CDs...perhaps Lynwood is the 5th one and the guy's neglected to mention it? 78.86.230.62 (talk) 05:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Jewish Background
Why does "Hardware store" list that Yankovic has a jewish background? Because Al's own Wikipedia entry lists that he has none.

Namrepus221 05:57, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

"Dumbledore" a parody of Hardware Store
http://www.themadmusicarchive.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=12283

I have the MP3 of this song, and I believe it is a part of the Dr Demento archive...it's a very faithful parody with perfect music and the song itself is pretty good...however, I notice it's not mentioned on the main page...I think it's worth mentioning because it's the first time Al's made an original song and someone ELSE parodied it rather than the other way around :-) 78.86.230.62 (talk) 22:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

"Genius in France" subject?
"Genius in France" is obviously in reference to Jerry Lewis: is there any reference which so states? (Or has Al been 'polite' on this point?)

137.254.4.8 (talk) 22:19, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Actually, he's pretty open about it. He first confirmed it in an interview with VH1, but VH1's website recently changed everything, so I can't find it at the moment. This also means that every Wikipedia source that links to VH1 (including the ones already on this page) no longer go anywhere, unfortunately.

Bob (song)
Why does Bob (song) redirect to this article instead of the disambiguation page for Bob in the  music section that includes this article?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob#Music --108.211.193.185 (talk) 12:45, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Hardware Store
Hardware store is not actually a style parody; it was originally intended to be one, but the idea was scrapped, and the song was turned into a full-fledged original. Shouldn't this be fixed? Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2as5t1/this_is_weird_al_yankovic_amaa_ask_me_anything/ciy9cqa SebYB67 (talk) 19:38, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

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Footloose style parody
“Party at the leper colony” is clearly a style parody of “Footloose (song)” by Kenny Loggins, both in lyrics and arrangement, but that is my original research, and I can’t find a citable reference. Design (talk) 08:15, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's a good guess, but alas, without a citation we can't do much.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  16:25, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

"Wanna B Ur Lovr" influenced by "Down Home Girl"
I can't find any reliable sources for this, so this original research can't be added to the article. Adding this here in case reliable sources can be found.

"Wanna B Ur Lovr" seems to derive some inspiration from "Down Home Girl," first performed by Alvin Robinson and then covered by the Rolling Stones, both in song structure and theme (a man making rather unflattering comments to attract a woman). Davidwbaker (talk) 18:27, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Layforce

Comments
This ‘Layforce’ page has the same data as on the Commandos page plus yet another eulogy for Sterling and the SAS which already have their own pages? Is there anything going to be actually written about Layforce and its other 2000+ members? CVA

I added "was a light military force" to the first sentence because on the first read I had no idea what was being discussed. Apologies if "light" is the incorrect term... --Bookandcoffee 19:54, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I have added some more, brief facts and explanations on this page drawn from one of the British demi-official histories 'Special Forces in the desert war 1940-1943' by Wynter, plus other official British sources. It is still a seriously inadequate and misleading piece. 81.19.57.130 14:50, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Since my last post above I have entered up some additional hard facts and made a few corrections to previous writeup. It is still not very satisfactory.132.185.144.120 07:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:MILHIST Assessment
What country did this force fight for? I seriously can't tell from the article. It may be implied, but it needs to be stated explicitly, preferably in the first sentence. LordAmeth 09:13, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

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Bernard Valcourt

Bernard Valcourt (born February 18, 1952) is a Canadian politician and lawyer, who served as Member of Parliament for the electoral district of Madawaska—Restigouche, New Brunswick until he was defeated in the 2015 federal election.

Early federal political career and Mulroney cabinet
Valcourt was first elected to the House of Commons of Canada as a Progressive Conservative candidate in the 1984 election that brought Brian Mulroney to power. He was appointed to the Cabinet of Canada in 1986 as a Minister of State. In January 1989, he was promoted to Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs, but was forced to resign from Cabinet in August when he was involved in a drunk driving motorcycle accident that cost him an eye.

He returned to Cabinet seven months later as Minister of Fisheries and Oceans. In 1991, he was promoted to Minister of Employment and Immigration, and held the position until the government of Mulroney's successor as Progressive Conservative Party leader and prime minister, Kim Campbell, was defeated in the 1993 election. Valcourt was defeated in that election, along with every Tory MP in Atlantic Canada except Elsie Wayne.

Provincial leader
In May 1995, Valcourt was elected leader of the Progressive Conservative Party of New Brunswick. While he won a seat in the Legislative Assembly of New Brunswick in the 1995 provincial election, his party only won six seats against 48 for Frank McKenna's Liberals. Valcourt resigned as leader in 1997 following a lukewarm endorsement of his leadership at a party convention, and was succeeded by Bernard Lord.

Return to federal politics
On March 28, 2011, Valcourt declared his candidacy in the 2011 federal election, running in the riding of Madawaska—Restigouche, which covers the bulk of the territory he'd represented two decades earlier. He was elected on May 2, 2011, defeating Liberal incumbent Jean-Claude D'Amours. He was subsequently appointed to cabinet as Minister of State for both the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency and La Francophonie. His sister Martine Coulombe was elected to the Legislative Assembly of New Brunswick in the 2010 provincial election. On July 4, 2012, he was given the additional portfolio of Associate Minister of Defence. Valcourt was part of the AEG initiative, saying co-operation between both the federal and provincial governments, as well as utilities, is key. "The Atlantic Energy Gateway initiative has brought the critical players in the region's energy sector together to not only work toward an affordable, secure, clean energy future, but to also maximize the business and job growth potential of further developing our region's clean and renewable energy industries," said Valcourt in a release.

On February 22, 2013, Valcourt became Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development in a cabinet shuffle. Valcourt stirred controversy when he claimed that the high rates of suicide among aboriginal youths were "the responsibility of their parents".

In the 2015 federal election, Valcourt was defeated by Liberal René Arseneault, finishing third with just over 16% of the vote.

Electoral record

 * Pierrette Ringuette
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 * align="right"|48.8
 * align="right"|+5.0

 * Bernard Valcourt
 * align="right"|15,045
 * align="right"|45.7
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 * Parise Martin
 * align="right"|844
 * align="right"|2.6
 * align="right"|−5.4
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 * Bernard Valcourt
 * align="right"|14,747
 * align="right"|48.2
 * align="right"|−3.7

 * Romeo Rossignol
 * align="right"|13,385
 * align="right"|43.8
 * align="right"|+1.9

!align="left" colspan=3|Total !align="right"|30,573 !align="right"| !align="right"|
 * Réal Couturier
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 * align="right"|8.0
 * align="right"|+1.8
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 * Bernard Valcourt
 * align="right"|16,411
 * align="right"|51.9
 * align="right"|+29.0

 * Gerald Clavette
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 * align="right"|41.9
 * align="right"|−23.9

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 * Floranne McLaughlin-St-Amand
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 * align="right"|6.2
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Talk:Reiser4

Stub
Well personally, this article is very scant. Its really more like a stub. In fact, if no one objects, I'd add the stub tag to it. Namely, it only generalises the features of reiserfs, does not explain why its that way...ie. it does not mention the fact that it uses dancing trees instead of B+ trees, or several other critical principles. I think we could all agree that someone who has expertise in this area should improvise. Take for example, the windows filesystem FAT32, its quite a simple filesystem, far more inferior (we can agree on that, I think, that FAT32 is far less advanced) - yet it has dozen or more long paragraphs. Surely this article deserves more? -- Natalinasmpf 04:13, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * The article seems to have passed the stub stage. Would anyone mind if I archived (deleted) the above comment?  It doesn't seem to apply anymore, and then the TOC for this talk page could move to the top. --- Markspace 23:28, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Problem solved. AlistairMcMillan 01:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Journaling Link
The Journaling link seems to point to a list of writing techniques (as in, literature writing.) Can someone more knowledgeable than me give a better description of Journaling with respect to Filesystems and link to that? --RustB 03:30, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * This has already been fixed by someone. -- intgr 16:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Further information
Does anyone know a good source for following the inclusing process of reiser4 into the kernel? Chotchki 00:14, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

 * KernelTrap or the Reiser Mailinglist http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.reiserfs.general --Hhielscher 00:21, 15 November 2005 (UTC)--Hhielscher 00:21, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Stability
I've moved the following from the article.

 * Reiser4 is of very questionable stability at its current state. While the creators state they cannot make it crash any longer, there are still frequent reports of corruption and data loss. As with any new technology, avoid using in production.

The POV style of the text isn't really good, without some better citations I think we should leave it at the obvious.. the article already says that it's beta still and we really should leave it at that. --Gmaxwell 02:38, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Wait -- beta? No, the article says it's not in the mainstream kernel and not really supported, which is true. It's also true that Namesys has officially "realeased" it, and encourages everyone to try it, while simultaneously warning that until millions of users have tested it, there will be obscure bugs not found in more mature filesystems. I actually agree with you in that it's beta or release candidate quality, by Linux standards, but by the standards of most commercial software, it's first-release quality. -- David Masover (not registered yet) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.18.2.149 (talk • contribs) 10:31, 5 January 2006

I'm surprised there's no mention of filesystem operations being atomic. It proved quite an amazing stability feature when using a defective motherboard and a lot of system crashes. 98.156.97.208 (talk) 00:20, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

 * File operations are atomic as specified in POSIX standards in every journalling Linux file system. Maybe you are confused by the fact that Reiser4 was going to export some sort of API for transactions, but that never happened. -- intgr [talk] 13:35, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

can "at the moment" be dated?
The second paragraph ends with "at the moment". I can't tell if this is true today, and in 5 years time I will really have no way to tell. Can someone state an approximation for when inclusion in Linux became the priority. 85.28.66.218 19:42, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, you can tell by checking the diffs when the comment was added. I agree with what you are saying, though, "at the moment" is not clear to a casual reader.  I think there is a wiki date format that allows it to change from, something like, "now" to "as of Dec. 25, 2005".  Let me see if I can find it and I'll add it to the article. --- Markspace 23:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

 * You want As of 2006 or the like... That way, the "as of" page will list this article as having assumptions that need to be rechecked later. Zuiram 10:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Crypto/Compression
Reiser4 supports these through a "CryptCompress" plugin. The Article should updated. I don't know if it is included in the default distribution though. You can read more about it on namesys website   -- Johannes Jordan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.188.30.63 (talk • contribs) 14:57, 9 May 2006

 * The reiser4 kernel patches do apparently include sources for the crypto and compression plugins, but as far as I know, there are no userland tools to instruct reiser4 to use these. It's probably already available from the (so far undocumented) libreiser4 library. I changed the entries to read "compile-time plugin" -- intgr 16:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

 * The Reiser4 cryptcompress plugin will be active when mounting the filesystem with the "reiser4.1-beta" mount option. -- intgr 19:02, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

 * It would be nice to specify in which versions of reiser4 this option is available 212.220.107.79 13:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

 * As he wrote: this option will not be available in Reiser4.0, but in Reiser4.1 --Hhielscher 16:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Reiser4 in fact does support cryptcompress already, although I don't know in which stage (speak stability / readiness) it is, you can create cryptcompress partitions with reiser4 (v4 not v4.1-beta ?) with the recently released reiser4-progs 1.0.6
 * I'm running my GNU/Gentoo system on a partition with lzo1 compression & have my portage-tree on a gzip1-partition, for more information you might like to refer to ::::following thread:
 * mkfs.reiser4 options are:
 * mkfs.reiser4 -o create=ccreg40,compress=gzip1 /dev/foo
 * mkfs.reiser4 -o create=ccreg40,compress=lzo1 /dev/foo
 * --Medwikier 12:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Filesystem performance unimportant?
It is typically twice the performance of ext3 for general-purpose filesystem usage patterns, but since most real-world applications are not heavily utilising the filesystem, the performance improvements might not be noticeable.

I am quite dubious that "most" real-world applications do not heavily use the filesystem. Seeing that there's no citation, I'm removing that claim. Clement Cherlin 22:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

 * It should be fairly obvious that the average application rarely does more than open a few files and do straightforward reads/writes on them, with the bottleneck being speed of the CPU, hard drive, internet connection, etc. Heavy use, where filesystem performance really starts to matter, is when dealing with (hundreds of) thousands of files. That said, I guess the claim should be removed for now unless anyone can point to some real sources. -- intgr 07:59, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

 * In my experience, most tasks are either I/O bound (file system, network, etc.) or memory bound (memory bandwidth / latency). Usually they're disk I/O bound if you're serving a LAN, e.g. SQL server. This all varies widely, though, and it was a very encyclopaedic statement. Zuiram 10:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Badly POV overview of controversy
On 14. July 2006, User:12.47.58.194 made the following edits to the article, which I removed for now:

 * Reiser4.0 is roughly twice the performance of competing filesystems, with users on the mailing list reporting that the Namesys benchmarks roughly correspond to their real experiences. Reiser4.1-beta with its compress on flush to disk plugin roughly doubles that while reducing disk space usage by half --- at the cost of substantial CPU usage increases. Interestingly, due to its plugin architecture, you can switch between 4.0 and 4.1-beta using a mount option which simply changes what the default plugin is.

Not all filesystem benchmarks are conclusive. While I can agree that the Reiser4 filesystem is indeed faster than other filesystems in many circumstances (as I've been using it for months now), filesystem performance primarily depends on the usage pattern, fragmentation, etc. The "roughly twice" claim is clearly bullshit - it rarely happens outside of synthetic benchmarks. Also, most applications don't heavily stress filesystems and thus the performance increase will not be noticeable. All applications do, however benefit from a proven solid filesystem - given the number of issues ReiserFS had in the beginning, I'm not suprised that people are worried about Reiser4's reliability.

There have also been a number of benchmarks to claim the opposite, usually when dealing with larger files. Many people have concerns about Reiser4's performance under fragmentation, and until Namesys releases their online repacker, this will remain an issue. -- intgr 10:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

 * The Reiser4 vs. ext3 rivalry is perhaps the most political issue in the Linux kernel. When Hans Reiser released benchmarks of ext3 vs. ReiserFS as ext3 was being first released, Ted Tso was deeply offended, and he was a Linux old timer with a lot of friends. When ReiserFS V3 was offered for inclusion into the mainline kernel, all emails from RedHat were opposed and all emails from SuSE (now Novell) were in support. The issues were ostensibly technical. When Reiser4 was offered for inclusion, the treatment it received was completely different from that received by the experimental ext4. Unfortunately, other Linux filesystems also receive such treatment, such as XFS which was delayed more than it should have been by the difficulty in getting some of its innovations into the core kernel, and lost key developers as they became discouraged from Linux. Many at first interested Linux filesystem contributors have simply walked away from Linux rather than deal with the lack of welcome to outsiders. Sadly, these political issues, reminiscent of BSD in the old days, are perhaps a good study of how not to manage free software projects that gain enough market share to for a while seem unassailable in their niche.

The writing style as well as the portrayal of people in thes second section above is highly POV, and cannot be acceptable for an encyclopedia. The editor also fails to refer to any sources at all regarding the claims made. The fact is that the primary issue for not merging the reiser4 filesystem remains coding style issues which Namesys has had plenty of time to fix. Hans Reiser's responses to criticism on the LKML have also been counterproductive at best, and have certainly won him a negative bias from other kernel developers. (for an example,, esp , there are plenty of more examples ). -- intgr 10:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * While I agree that had to go, I think this article has to be improved. It implies the reason Reiser4 is not in is because of coding issues. This is the claim of Linux kernel developers but it appears Hans Reiser claims otherwise and does allege political issues etc are the primary reason it is not in. The bit about ext4 vs Reiser4 has also been mentioned by Hans. As such, I think we need to mention these issues. It is not out job to decide whether the view of Linux kernel developers or Hans are correct. We should simply present them as neutrally as possible. It is up to the reader to decide which one to believe with the help of our references (and perhaps the fact that Hans Reiser has been arrested and charged with murder might influence their decision) Nil Einne 14:19, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Absolutely, my problem with the preceeding edits was that it violated WP:NPOV much more than the original article [while admittedly, I am somewhat biased towards the Linux POV]. A neutral overview of the Reiser vs Linux controversy, from both points of view would be very much appreciated - it's already on the TODO list above, just noone has done it yet. And now that you mentioned it, I changed the coding style statement to make both points of view more clear; nevertheless, an extensive section on this is still needed.

 * It can be stated as fact that the decision thus far has not been influenced by the murder of Reiser's ex-wife, since the Reiser4 merging conflict has persisted for years, while Nina Reiser went missing on 03-09-2006.
 * For the record, Morton's Linux 2.6.19 merge plans currently state :
 * reiser4. I was planning on merging this, but the batch_write/writev problem might wreck things, and I don't think the patches arising from my recent partial review have come through yet.  So it's looking more like 2.6.20.
 * -- intgr 15:26, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Hans Reiser arrest
Should we mention the future of Reiser4 is currently in doubt with the arrest of Hans Reiser? Nil Einne 14:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I would say no – I don't think it will make a big difference. Namesys will probably still remain operational, with or without Hans Reiser. And as the Reiser4 code is GPLed, Linux developers are free to merge it without anyone's consent, once someone sorts the remaining issues out. As far as I can tell, comments from Hans Reiser himself often made the problems worse for the code review/merge of the filesystem. -- intgr 15:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Alexander Lyamin from Namesys says that development on Reiser4 will continue . -- intgr 19:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Quite a point. Will Reiser4 ever be merged without Hans Reiser's strong efforts at getting it in, or will Reiser4 finally be merged now that developers dont need to worry about it being packaged with a Hans Reiser? :) -- 68.215.209.95 20:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well a long time later and I wrote the above with limited experience with wikipedia and BLP (which was less than a year old). Clearly there should have been no comment on Hans Reiser's arrest in relation to Reiser4 without good sourcing. That said while hindsight is 20-20, it looks like I was mostly right. From what I can tell Reiser4 is still out of the Linux kernel and seems to be in some sort of no man's land. btrfs is probably the best alternative (I've read some suggesting it's overtaken Reiser4 by now), and maybe ZFS for those not bothered by licencing concerns (or for those outside the Linux world). Of course we can never know what would have happened if Hans Reiser hadn't done what he did, the IP has a point that perhaps he wasn't a help in many ways. But at the same time, actually having a company behind it would likely have helped. While Intgr was right, it was theoretically possible for Namesys to survive, it didn't. I don't think this is that surprising since while I know little about them, it sounds like they were in many ways Hans Reiser's company and further the main thing the company did was develop ReiserFS and Reiser4. In particular, I assume they offered paid support for those file systems and their users. Even if they had the management team etc to survive the arrest and any sale, buying a company from someone accused of murdering their wife, and where the company's primary new product is a file system still not in the Linux kernel and with no clear prospective for it being in, named after said person accused of murdering their wife and where their old product had just been abandoned by one of the only significant users and likewise was named after said person, doesn't sound that appealing. I also wonder whether some of the developers both those who worked for Namesys and those for other companies and independently, were some demoralised by what happened. (Especially those who worked for Namesys, since it sounds a bit like why weren't surprised by the arrest and may have also expected the eventual outcome. Also from what I've read, quite a few of them were in Russia which may not have helped.) I can't help wondering if it was also a factor in the development of btrfs, although OTOH, even without Reiser doing what he did, it doesn't sound like he was the easiest person to work with. Nil Einne (talk) 19:34, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

This section was removed. WHY?
Hans Reiser, a technical genius, is the main developer of the Reiser3 (ReiserFS) and Reiser4 filesystems.

Reiser3 was an advanced filesystem, in its time, but is beginning to show its age.

Reiser4, the replacement Reiser3, is truly cutting edge, an outstanding filesystem.

To get some idea of how good Reiser4 really is, you should consider the following test results. The first column names the filesystem tested. The second column records the total time (in seconds) it took to run the filesystem benchmarking software bonnie++ (Version 1.93c). The third column records the total number of megabytes needed to store 655 megabytes of raw data.

SMALLER is better.

Each test was preformed 5 times and the average value recorded. SMALLER is better.

The bonnie++ tests were preformed, with the following parameters:

bonnie++ -n128:128k:0

More on the tests can be found here: http://linuxhelp.150m.com/resources/fs-benchmarks.htm

The above site provides a script, so that you can check these results for yourself.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.88.158.100 (talk • contribs) 04:27, 22 March 2007

 * The obvious problem is that it's a copyright violation; in addition to that, file system performance is not limited to trivial operations like copying files and being done with it — degradation due to fragmentation have long been pointed out in ReiserFS and Reiser4.
 * In addition to that, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia — encyclopedias summarize existing research and knowledge, and do not present that research directly. See WP:NOT -- intgr 11:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Also, an obvious violation of WP:NPOV. -- intgr 11:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

 * You obviously don't know Jack about filesystems. Pity an ignorant person like you gets any say at all. Bonnie++ is standard filesystem benchmarking software. The other tests, test extremely important filesystem operations like copying and how much space is wasted by filesystem inefficiency.

 * Degradation due to fragmentation, only occurs when the hard drive is essentially full (a not too common occurrence with todays large hard drives). A minor problem that may have a simple solution. Compared to Windows, the problem is non-existent.

 * Degradation due to fragmentation, is mainly a Windows filesystem problem, where it is so bad that it knowlegable people (not you) don't use Windows filesystems. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

 * I am not going to feed the trolls. -- intgr 08:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If you want to know how fast it really is, just try it with a recent "stable" kernel (non mm-branch), e.g. viper-series, which can be found on gentoo-forums: Benchmarking-results are just "theoretical" stuff, I think using it is the best way to create your own opinion (sorry I'm not a native-speaker). Always posting the same benchmarking results everywhere will only annoy people & prevent them from using / considering inclusion into kernel --Medwikier 12:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC))
 * Then don’t feed yourself and starve and hence shut up. Problem solved. … Funny how crazy people always call everyone not obeying their insane views a “troll” when they happen to become the ones in power. Philosophical protip: Just because you got the biggest club doesn’t make you right. No matter how much Wikipedia is designed to enable (yet disguise for purposes of being able to argue the opposite to clueless people) that kind of totalitarian dictatorship. -- Evi1M4chine (2A0A:A546:A8E:1:C27C:C014:A0D8:FCC3 (talk) 14:49, 15 April 2023 (UTC))

 * Removed this again, per WP:OR and WP:NPOV. Reiser4 may be a great filesystem, but it's not the place of an encyclopedia to assert which is better or to publish benchmark results. Triona (talk) 23:54, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Distributions
I didn't want to go ahead and remove an entire section without consulting first. Isn't it a bit silly, and leaning towards an add to say that The only distro to use R4 by default is thingy? Martijn Hoekstra 22:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Looks out of place indeed. -- intgr 23:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

reiser4-alive: http://linuxhelp.150m.com/installs/compile-kernel.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.65.134.248 (talk) 22:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Citation re: sabotage is questionable
The citation of http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9509 is incorrect, first of all, because the original source of that forum post is located here: http://linuxhelp.150m.com/. And second of all, I challenge the citation because the source is very questionable. The person who wrote that page has made multiple unfounded accusations and assertions on his page that themselves really need citation. For instance, after displaying some benchmarks of Reiser4 vs other filesystems, he states in red text (for emphasis), "As you can see, REISER4 is a truly remarkable filesystem. This is the real reason that REISER4 has not been included in the Linux kernel. This is the real reason that Hans Reiser languishes in an Oakland prison cell at this time." I am not convinced this person is mentally stable, and that this citation should be changed to point to a more reliable and accurate source. Neunon (talk) 04:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

"convicted murderer" in here?
Do you think it is necessary to mention in _this_ article that he killed his wife? I think it is background information about the creator, and not really belongs in here. What's your opinion? -- Keks ger (talk) 21:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I took out the "murderer" bit in the lead. That was rather irrelevant and over-the-top (and it was just added today). It's still mentioned in the "Future of ReiserFS" section, but that seems relevant, at least to me, since he was the main architect of the filesystem, and, being imprisoned, he can no longer work on it, which is why the future of the filesystem is up in the air. --Slowking Man (talk) 23:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

new maintainer Edward Shishkin?
Following some talk on lkml.org, I got the impression, that Edward Shishkin seems to be the guy, who heads all decisions. Should we actually name him the new maintainer of the Reiser4 file system in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.73.142.216 (talk) 12:26, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

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Madhavrao I

Madhavrao I (15 February 1745−18 November 1772) was the son of Peshwa Balaji Bajirao and grandson of Peshwa Bajirao I who served as 9th Peshwa of the Maratha Confederacy. During his tenure, the Maratha Confederacy recovered from the losses they suffered during the Third Battle of Panipat, an event known as Maratha Resurrection.

Early life and ascendancy to Peshwa
Madhavrao Bhat was the second son of Peshwa Nanasaheb, son of Bajirao. He was born in Savnur in 1745. At the time of his birth, the Maratha Confederacy was stretched across a sizeable portion of Western, Central, and Northern India. On 9 December 1758, Madhavrao married Ramabai in Pune.

Nanasaheb had greatly expanded the Maratha Confederacy and had tried to establish better governance. However, he was held partially responsible for the severe defeat of the Marathas by Ahmad Shah Abdali at the Third Battle of Panipat in early 1761. The Maratha forces suffered heavy losses, including Nanasaheb's eldest son and heir Vishwasrao Bhat, and cousin, Sadashivrao Bhau. He died on 23 June 1761, at Parvati Hill in Pune.

After his father's death, the sixteen-year-old Madhav Rao was made the next Peshwa of Maratha Confederacy. His paternal uncle, Raghunathrao was to act as regent.

Early reign and Battle of Uruli
At the ascendancy of Madhavrao, the Maratha Confederacy was in complete shambles as their defeat at Panipat had accumulated big debts to their wealth. At Shaniwar Wada, the prime residence of the Peshwa, religious rituals and ceremonies were frequently being conducted. The discipline required for the smooth running of administrative affairs was almost non-existent. The security at the treasury was poor. When these weaknesses were brought to Madhavrao's notice, he introduced changes by personally looking into the administration, accounts and the treasury. He also reduced the religious practices being followed at Shaniwar Wada.

In February 1762, Peshwas set out to conquer Karnataka. This was one of the earliest wars against the Nizam (Battle of Uruli). When conflict arose between Madhavrao and his uncle Raghunathrao. Due to difference of opinion between the two, Raghunathrao decided to abandon the troops midway and return to Pune, while Madhavrao continued. Eventually, a treaty was signed with the Nizam and Madhavrao returned. Both Madhavrao and Raghunathrao had their preferences even over the Sardars (Generals). Madhavrao usually preferred the company of Gopalrao Patwardhan, Tryambakrao Mama Pethe, Nana Fadnavis and Ramshastri Prabhune; while Raghunathrao was dearer to Sakharam Bapu Bokil, Gulabrao and Gangoba Tatya.

Disputes with Ragunathrao
The discord between Madhavrao and Raghunathrao was increasing, and on 22 August 1762, Raghunathrao fled to Vadgaon Maval where he started grooming his own army. Raghunathrao's men started looting the nearby villages for warfare and this act angered Madhavrao. He decided to wage a war against his uncle Raghunathrao on 7 November 1762. However, Madhavrao didn't wish to battle against his own uncle and thus, proposed for a treaty. Raghunathrao agreed to sign the treaty with Madhavrao and asked him to move back to a non-attacking position. Madhavrao did so. However, Raghunathrao deceived Madhavrao. When the Maratha camp under Madhavrao was relaxed and unsuspecting of a battle, they were caught unawares as Raghunathrao attacked treacherously. Thus, Madhavrao was defeated in the Battle of Alegaon and on 12 November 1762, surrendered near Alegaon. After the surrender, Raghunathrao decided to control all the major decisions under the assistance of Sakharam Bapu. He also decided to befriend the Nizam, but this proved to be a wrong move as the Nizam slowly started infiltrating the zones of Maratha Confederacy. As time slipped by, Madhavrao pointed out the gravity of the situation to his uncle. Eventually, on 7 March 1763, the Peshwas, once again under Madhavrao's leadership, decided to attack Aurangabad to crush the Nizam. After months of chasing, the Peshwas faced the Nizam's army on 10 August 1763, in the Battle of Rakshasbhuvan near Aurangabad. the Nizam's army suffered huge losses in this war, and Nizam retreated.

War against Hyder Ali and Mysore
In January 1764, for the second time, Madhavrao gathered his defences and conquer Hyder Ali. This time his massive army included efficient generals like Gopalrao Patwardhan, Murarrao Ghorpade, Vinchurkar and Naro Shankar. Raghunathrao declined his offer to join him, and instead chose to visit Nashik. This was a particularly long conquest which went for almost a year in and around the districts of Karnataka. However, Hyder Ali somehow managed to escape the clutches of the Peshwas. In November 1764, the major Dharwar Fort came into the charge of young Peshwa with the assistance of Gopal Rao and Anand Rao. Only Bankapur was left under the control of Haider Ali. Again Madhavrao defeated Hyder ali on many occasions on such occasion of Battle of Jadi Hanwati and Battle of Rattihalli which eventually gives Hyder Ali many casualties. Eventually, Madhavrao decided to call Raghunathrao for his assistance, but Raghunathrao only signed a treaty with Hyder Ali, much to Madhavrao's disappointment. Raghunathrao intentionally made this move, since he was now fearfully aware of Madhavrao's burgeoning power. The power of the Young Peshwa Madhav Rao could be seen from a letter which Raghunath Rao wrote to Gopika Bai in 1765 which was as follow. " He has become very wise. He is managing everything and doing more than Nana Saheb Peshwa and Bhau Saheb ever did." Additionally, his loyal assistant Sakharam Bapu also warned him against the consequences of conquering Hyder Ali. The Peshwa's failure to impose his authority over Hyder Ali triggered a major setback on Madhavrao's health. In 1767, Madhavrao I organized a 2nd expedition against Hyder Ali and inflicted defeats on Hyder Ali in the battles of Sira and Madhugiri and made a surprise discovery of Queen Virammaji, the last ruler of the Keladi Nayaka Kingdom and her son who were kept in confinement in the fort of Madhugiri by Hyder Ali. They were rescued by Madhavrao I and were sent to Pune for protection.

Alliance with Nizam

The Peshwas were expanding their territory in the northern regions of India. Raghunathrao, Holkars and Shindes together marched towards Delhi with the intention of expanding the Maratha Confederacy in these territories. Meanwhile, Madhavrao made a bold decision of bonding with his old rival, Nizam Ali Khan, Asaf Jah II. The Nizam also genuinely expressed his desire to do so, and thus the two met at Kurumkhed on 5 February 1766. The next few days saw some cultural exchanges and open expressions of concern. A level of mutual understanding was reached and this relationship started growing stronger.

Relations with the East India Company
On 3 December 1767, an East India Company officer named Mastin arrived in Pune. Mastin wanted to establish a military presence in the regions of Vasai and Sashthi, but was confronted by Madhavrao who was suspicious of his intentions. Mastin's repeated requests to acquire these regions in return for defeating Hyder Ali fell on deaf ears, and Madhavrao never agreed to them.

Raghunathrao faces house arrest
Though Raghunathrao had marched to the north to expand the empire, he failed to do so. Instead, he came back to Anandvalli and was again tempted to form an alliance with his generals and fight against Madhavrao. This time, however; Madhavrao was extremely agitated with his uncle's repeated attempts to overthrow him. On 10 June 1768, he waged a war against Raghunathrao, captured him and put him under house arrest at Shaniwar Wada along with his assistant Sakharam Bapu Bokil.

Assassination attempt

The incident occurred on the evening of 7 September 1769. Madhavrao was returning from the Parvati temple at Pune with his comrades, when one of his generals Ramsingh suddenly attacked him with a sword. Madhavrao was warned just in the nick of time, and he suffered a blow from the sword on his shoulder as he tried to dodge Ramsingh. Madhavrao believed that this was Raguhnathrao's attempt to murder him, but he imprisoned General Ramsingh.

Northern campaign
In 1769, Madhavrao sent a large army under the command of Ramchandra Ganesh Kanade and Visaji Krushna Biniwale in order to recover territory lost in the North due to the defeat of Third battle of Panipat they were joined by Mahadji Shinde and Tukoji Rao Holkar. This Maratha army marched towards Udaipur. The Rajputs there agreed to pay him 60 lakhs as tribute. On 5 April 1770, the Marathas defeated Jats of Bharatpur. In October 1770 they vanquished Najib Khan Rohilla, the main opponent of the Battle of Panipat (1761). In November 1771, Visaji Krushna Biniwale was appointed ‘In Charge of the Northern front of Marathas’ by Peshwa Madhavrao I. In February 1772, along with Mahadji Shinde, he overpowered the Rohillas of Rohillkhand at Shukratal by defeating Zabita Khan. They avenged the defeat of Panipat by breaking the tomb of Najib Khan, by looting the artillery and wealth of the Rohillas, and by recovering from them an additional tribute of Rs.40 lakhs. Mahadji Shinde made his mark as a Maratha general while serving with Biniwale in North India. During his northern campaign Biniwale persuaded the Mughal Emperor Shah Alam to return to Delhi and reclaim his throne in 1771. Peshwa Madhavrao I was so delighted with Visaji Krushna's grand victory in the Rohilkhand that he specifically mentioned in his written will to shower golden flowers on him during his arrival at the border of Pune.

The Capture of Delhi was a battle in 1771 when the forces of the Maratha Confederacy led by Mahadaji Shinde captured Delhi along with the Red Fort, and gave Mughal Emperor Shah Alam II the throne back with the treaty. The Marathas captured Delhi from Najib Khan's son Zabita Khan who was put in charge by the Afghans. With this capture, Marathas regained their lost supremacy in North India after the Third Battle of Panipat and conquered much of the lost territories which they lost after the Third Battle of Panipat.

Shah Alam spent six years in the Allahabad fort and after the capture of Delhi in 1771 by the Marathas, left for his capital under their protection. He was escorted to Delhi by Mahadaji Shinde and left Allahabad in May 1771. During their short stay, the Marathas constructed two temples in Allahabad city, one of them being the famous Alopi Devi Mandir. After reaching Delhi in January 1772 and realising the Maratha intent of territorial encroachment however, Shah Alam ordered his general Najaf Khan to drive them out. In retaliation, Tukoji Rao Holkar and Visaji Krushna Biniwale attacked Delhi and defeated Mughal forces in 1772. The Marathas were granted an imperial sanad for Kora and Allahabad. They turned their attention to Oudh to gain these two territories. Shuja was however, unwilling to give them up and made appeals to the English and the Marathas did not fare well at the Battle of Ramghat. The Maratha and British armies fought in Ram Ghat, but the sudden demise of the Peshwa and the civil war in Pune to choose the next Peshwa forced the Maratha army to retreat.

Death

In June 1770, the Peshwas set out to conquer Hyder Ali for the third time. However, Madhavrao was infected with tuberculosis, and his health started deteriorating. Tuberculosis was also termed as "Raj-Yakshma" or the "prince of diseases". Madhavrao had to return from Miraj as the effects of the disease had started becoming prominent. He was even recommended an English doctor for treatment of the terrible disease, and he would follow the advice given by the doctor. However, there were no signs of improvement and slowly it started developing further. The disease had affected his intestine. There was no cure for tuberculosis in those times. Madhavrao decided to spend his last days in his favourite Ganesha Chintamani Temple, Theur. According to Grant Duff "The third battle of Panipat was not that much fatal to the Maratha empire than the early death of Peshwa Madhav Rao in 1772. "

On 6 October 1772, Raghunathrao tried to escape from the house arrest at Shaniwar Wada, but he was caught again. Madhavrao had become excessively weak, and he could no longer bear such incidents. He had constructed a garden, a wooden hall and a fountain outside this favourite temple.

18 November 1772, early morning approximately at eight: Madhavrao died at the temple premises of Chintamani, Theur. Thousands of citizens visited the site and paid their last respects. Madhavrao was cremated on the banks of the river which was about half a mile from the temple. A small memorial carved out of stone rests today at that place as a memorial.

His wife Ramabai chose to commit sati with his body at the time of cremation.

Character
Madhavrao Peshwa I was a prominent figure of the Maratha Empire, renowned for his administrative acumen and leadership. During his tenure, he implemented significant reforms and exhibited a deep sense of empathy for the populace.

Humanitarian and Administrative Abilities

An incident highlighting Madhavrao's compassion occurred during the aftermath of a war. Pune's citizens, facing dire circumstances due to the conflict, sought relief at Shaniwar Wada. Despite being occupied with treasury management,Madhavrao personally met with the affected families, ensuring their losses were compensated. This episode exemplifies his reputation as a benevolent ruler.

Despite a strained relationship with his uncle Raghunathrao, Madhavrao maintained personal affection. He imposed a fine on Raghunathrao for misconduct during the Nizam's invasion, a decision that led to a temporary estrangement from his mother, Gopikabai. However, their bond remained strong, as evidenced by their correspondence.

Madhavrao was instrumental in reforming the Maratha administration. He introduced stringent measures to combat corruption, including public flogging of errant officials. The judicial system was overhauled under the guidance of Ram Shastri, establishing a reputation for impartiality. Furthermore, Madhavrao prioritized the welfare of the citizens,optimizing revenue utilization for public benefit and strengthening the empire's military capabilities.

Character and Leadership

While feared by his servants, Madhavrao was approachable to the common people. His leadership style was characterized by decisiveness and a disregard for conventional constraints. An anecdote involving the Bhonsle chief of Nagpur illustrates his ability to gather intelligence and enforce his will.

Madhavrao Peshwa I is remembered as a transformative leader who left an enduring legacy on the Maratha Empire. His contributions to administration, welfare, and military might solidified his position as one of the most capable figures of his era.Justice Kashinath Trimbak Telang citing James Grant Duff narrates an amusing story that illustrates Madhavrao's ruthlessness, omniscience and disregard for religious restrictions.

Legacy
Assessing the impact of the loss of Madhavrao, the writer James Grant Duff eulogised: And the plains of Panipat were not more fatal to the Maratha Confederacy than the early end of this excellent prince…

In popular culture

 * In the 1987 Marathi TV series Swami, Madhavrao's character was portrayed by Ravindra Mannkani.
 * In the 1994 Hindi TV series The Great Maratha, Madhavrao's character was portrayed by Rahul Awasthee.
 * Alok Rajwade portrayed Madhavrao in the 2014 Indian Marathi-language historical drama, Rama Madhav
 * Chinmay Patwardhan plays Madhavrao in the Indian Marathi-language television serial Swamini which airs on Colors Marathi.
 * Swami, a Marathi book written by Ranjit Desai on the life of Madhavrao.
 * "श्रीमंत माधवराव पेशवा: व्यक्ति आणि कार्य" A Marathi Political biography written by historians Guruprasad Kanitkar and Parag Pimpalkhare.
 * "The Mastery of Hindustan - Triumphs & Travels of Madhavrao Peshwa", a book written by Uday S. Kulkarni on the life and tenure of Madhavrao Peshwa. (ISBN 978-8192076935; published in 2022)
 * "Pratishodh Panipatcha",a marathi novel written by Kaustubh Kasture on the life of Madhavrao Peshwa.(published in 2019)

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A New Kind of Army

A New Kind of Army is a punk rock studio album originally released by Anti-Flag on May 25, 1999. It was reissued by A-F Records on October 19, 2004, and is also the only album to feature only Justin Sane as lead vocalist. All other albums featured at least one song sung by either Andy Flag or Chris #2.

Background
After the band released Die For the Government in 1996, Andy Flag left due to personal issues with Justin and Pat (they would later reconcile). After that, Sean Whelan of Pittsburgh band the Bad Genes filled in on bass. It was during this time that Sean was also playing in another band (57 Defective) with guitarist Chris Head, whom he introduced to the band. He then joined the band in early 1997 to play bass. Later that year, Jamie "Cock" Towns joined as the new bass player, allowing Chris to move to rhythm guitar (which he preferred). Justin said that he wrote nearly 30 songs during this period.

In 1998, Towns told the band that she wanted to leave the band. The band, looking for a new player, ran into a fan named Chris Barker who told them he could play. The band let him in, and he took the name Chris #2 (sometimes simply called #2).

By the time Chris #2 had joined, the album had already been mostly written and recorded. The band had spent time recording in various houses in Pittsburgh, including Justin's parents' house. When he joined, the band reconvened at the house so he could record his bass for the songs. Recording was finished in January 1999, while Chris was still in high school. Justin remarked that there was more pressure on writing the songs than on the previous album due to Andy's departure, and him having to write all the lyrics.

Music
Nearly all of the songs were written by Justin alone. As a result, this is the only album that features only him as the primary singer. While primarily a punk record, the album also features elements of Ska, Folk, and Melodic Hardcore. The lyrics cover a wide variety of topics including abortion, corruption, police brutality, racism, fascism, and unity within the American Youth. Tearing Everyone Down and Captain Anarchy continue the themes from Die for the Government of criticizing the "fake jock punks" who were ruining the scene at the time. The band would later point to Tearing Everyone Down as the track that would pave the way for their future songs, including "I'd Tell You But..." and "The Criminals". During a live show, Chris #2 joked that Justin was the only one who liked playing Captain Anarchy live, as he and Chris Head "hated the song", and Pat "hated playing any Anti-Flag songs". The title track was written by Justin as one of the last songs for the album. He explained that he was having a difficult time coming up with concept for the record, then came up with the song on a walk, returned home, and wrote the song in 30 minutes. The song was inspired by President Clinton ordering the bombing of Iraq in order to distract the nation from the Monica Lewinsky Scandal. That's Youth describes the band's experience growing up in Pittsburgh with their friends.

Got the Numbers is one of the heavier songs on the album, and features pounding drums from Pat and fast-paced bass playing by Chris 2. It remains one of the band's more popular songs, even though Chris 2 said Pat didn't like the song either. Even though Justin is the only singer on the track, Chris 2 usually sings the chorus when they perform it live. No Difference is a slower track that describes freedom of being at a punk show with fellow friends. I Don't Believe is similar to songs from Die for the Government in that it questions the wave of nationalism throughout the country as a result of the Gulf War. Right On is credited to the entire band and mocks people who have insulted the band in various cities.

What You Don't Know questions the secret nature politicians engage in that results in US laws and policy, presumably without input from the American people. Free Nation? attacks the Christian Right and the Republican Party for claiming to uphold "christian values" while pursuing policies that attack non-whites. Chris 2 said that he had difficulty recording this song because the band didn't have a click track, so he had to manually count himself in to start the song on time. He later called it one of his favorite Anti-Flag songs. Outbreak references the Lewinsky Scandal and the bombing of Iraq, similarly to the title track and asks "Who is the real terrorist?". An early version of the song appeared on the A-F Records cassette This Is East Coast Punk, and featured a spoken intro by Sane. Police Story describes the Death of Jonny Gammage by the police in 1995, claiming "We've got no rights when cops can kill". The song remains one of the band's most request songs to play live, but Chris 2 said that they don't play it because they never found a way to make it work live.

Consumer Song was one of the last songs included on the album, along with New Kind of Army. It's a mournful, slow song featuring Justin playing guitar by himself, similar to folk-punk artist Billy Bragg. He had written the song at the end of the sessions, and the band were unable to record a full version of it. They decided to include the solo version on the record in order to show off their appreciation of Bragg. The song addresses the flaws of capitalism, and calls for people to watch where they spend their money, as their buying habits "support abuse in the third world scene". This Is Not A Crass Song features 3 minutes of silence at the end of the song before featuring audio of the band jamming in the studio.

Recording
The band recorded the album in a similar manner that they did with Die For the Government, renting equipment from local stores to use. Joe West, who had helped produce and engineer the previous album, returned to help them record again. Some of the songs featured guests, including former bass player Jamie "Cock" Towns, Azi Masladahan, Hoss, Mike Poyzle, Reagan Squad, Jim Weber, and Neil Linn.

Packaging
The album features a drawing by Justin's sister, Lucy, that parodies the famous flag image at Iwo Jima during World War II for the cover. Underneath, the band wrote "Anti-Flag does not mean Anti-American. Anti-Flag means anti-war. Anti-Flag means unity." The booklet also featured a prayer from Mark Twain, and a fold out poster with the phrase "Too smart to fight. Too smart to kill. Join now. A new kind of army."

In the album's liner notes, the lyrics spelt women as "womyn". The band wrote that this was "not a misspelling, but a result of feminist conscious". The band would continue to do this for every album that contained the word.

Release
The album was released jointly on Go-Kart Records and A-F Records. Greg Ross, the label owner, was friends with Pat and offered to sign the band to release the album. They later revealed that the album was originally scheduled for an April release date, but it got pushed back to May because the CD wasn't ready.

The band had wanted to release the album on Fat Wreck Chords, but Fat Mike didn't want to, as he felt the band were too different from the other acts. He offered to release it on Honest Don's Records, the subsidiary for Fat, but the band declined, viewing it as a "second-tier label". When they met on Warped Tour in 2000, Mike told them he was so impressed by them saying no that he offered to sign them to Fat for their next album. They would release their next 2 albums on the label.

In 2004, the band rereleased the album on A-F Records due to the rights reverting to them. The rerelease included new artwork.

The band later said that this was the first Anti-Flag album to sell more than 100,000 copies.

Track listing
All songs written by Justin Sane, except where noted.

Band members

 * Justin Sane – lead vocals, lead guitar
 * Chris #2 – backing vocals, bass guitar (Credited as #2)
 * Chris Head – backing vocals, rhythm guitar
 * Pat Thetic – drums, percussion

Legacy
Both Police Story and The Consumer Song would later be rerecorded for the band's 20 Years of Hell Series. The Consumer Song received a full band recording for the first time.

Tearing Everyone Down, A New Kind of Army, and Free Nation? would all be featured on the band's album Mobilize as live recordings. In addition, Tearing Everyone Down and Got The Numbers would be featured on the live albums Live Vol 1 and Live Vol 2, respectively.

Justin would later go on to call A New Kind of Army his least favorite Anti-Flag album.

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Miniara

Miniara (منياره) (also transliterated Minyara) is a village in Akkar Governorate, Lebanon, 9 kilometers east of the Mediterranean Sea, and 3 kilometers south of Halba. The population is between 7,000 and 10,000.

History
In 1838, Eli Smith noted the village (named Menyarah),  whose inhabitants were Greek Orthodox, located west of esh-Sheikh Mohammed.

In 1856 it was named Menyarah on Kiepert's map of Palestine/Lebanon published that year,

Miniara is the birthplace of Ibrahim Beik El-Sarraf, the first member of the Lebanese parliament to represent the Christian seat of Akkar for 2 terms when Lebanon was still a French Mandate, and his younger brother "Afandi" Zeki EL Sarraf the first mayor in the municipality of Akkar in his village Miniara. Dr Yacoub El Sarraf, son of Ibrahim El Sarraf, was elected the Minister of Health of Lebanon in 1964 and was known for treating poor people free of charge and his many public services.--. The current mayor of the village of Miniara is Toni Naim Aboud since 1998.

Demographics
The population is religiously diverse. A Christian village but of several different denominations with a majority of Greek Orthodox and including Melkite Greek Catholic, Maronite Catholic, and Evangelical.

Education
The majority of Miniara's teenage population is either in high school or has completed high school.

Miniara has both private and public schools.

Private Schools

 * Saint Joseph's High School
 * Saint Joseph's Elementary School
 * Modern School

Public Schools

 * Miniara Female Public School
 * Miniara Public High School
 * Miniara Boys Public School

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also, see John Sullivan (U.S. Rep) that makes 6 in all. Wolfman 04:24, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:ReiserFS

Stubbing
As I had explained in the Reiser4 talk page, I also feel this page is very scant. Although ReiserFS is less advanced than Reiser4, it has many of the same complex principles (and great advantages) over ext2 and FAT32, but this article only skims over them. Therefore, if no one objects, I'll add stub status to this article. As I said, even the rather straight-forward FAT32 filesystem, which has severe disadvanatages to reiserfs, is far more detailed than this article. --Natalinasmpf 04:22, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I totally agree. --Fredrik Orderud 23:55, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * The article also seems to be generously larded with FUD. I have been using ReiserFS on all my machines for more than 5 years and have never had anything go wrong. Recovering data fom ReiserFS partitions of failed drives posed no filesystem specific problems. Had ext3 been stable before Reiser I probably would never have started running Reiser, but I have never had any reason NOT to continue to run Reiser. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.215.115.31 (talk) 17:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Is the link to Linuxmafia flamebait?
The "ReiserFS dangerous on commodity PC hardware" link to Theordore Tso's critique of ReiserFS journaling technique seems like flamebait. The link should be removed because it expresses an derogatory opinion without providing evidence that the incorrect behavior actually happens.

Regardless, the issue of block journaling commit policy is very technical and inappropriate for this article. Full treatment would be best given in another article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.39.175.134 (talk • contribs) 03:51, 2 June 2005

 * I don't find it too bad, the link, but it is without much of any information to back the opinion up. It's just like you'd expect a BBS post on the topic. I'm definately not opposed to the link's removal. More opinions on this would be nice. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 03:55, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Put it that way: reiserfs was said to "eat data for breakfast". Bug reports over Bug reports came and most times Hans Reiser replied by telling the problem was no bug. This behaviour didn't help the users. Bug reports about dataloss especially wrong recovered or - at your choice - corruptet files after a crash with a journailed fs are severe as keeping data consistent is the whole point for journailing. It boils down to a simple fact: if you have a fs that leads to data loss while others don't and you are told that the problem will not even be looked at, the only thing you can do is to warn others about the problem. Maybe all problems solved now, but who knows? hans always told that and who dare to give it a try if the risk is lost data ... See, with other filesystems might be also dataloss but if so, a warning is sent out to the users. E.g. ext3 had dataloss problems - but they didn't hide them until they were fixed - that makes all the difference.

What's with the disadvantage section?
The majority of "Disadvantages" are quite obsolete, or simply nonissues.

 * "ReiserFS in versions of the Linux kernel before 2.4.10 is considered unstable by Namesys and is not recommended for production use, especially in conjunction with NFS."

Kernel 2.4.10 was released in September of 2001. At this time, there have been 21 updates to the 2.4 series since then. This issue is obsolete.

 * "Tail packing initially broke many bootloaders, which assumed file contents to be perfectly block-aligned. GRUB and LILO, two popular Linux bootloaders, have since gained support for reading tail-packed files. Tail-packing also imposed a significant performance penalty (because reads and writes for normally-contiguous files would have to seek to get to a tail packed elsewhere); Namesys recommends disabling the feature for performance-critical applications."

This states by itself that the problem is both obsolete and a nonissue; the bootloaders now have support for tail packing, and there has always been a way to turn it off.

 * "ReiserFS had no bad block handling prior to release 3.6.12."

Version 3.6.12 of ReiserFS was released in August of 2000. You'd have much difficulty finding somebody who uses it. This issue is obsolete.

 * "Converting a legacy ext2 filesystem to ReiserFS is also non-trivial and commonly requires a full dump and restore. ext3, in contrast, allows an in-place conversion."

I'd like to attack the use of the word 'legacy'. Making ext2 seem standard is misleading, because use of it is becoming rare as it is difficult to justify its use over the use of ext3. Also, ext2 and ext3 and practically the same thing; the only difference that I'm aware of is that ext3 is journalled. The fact that reiserfs can't convert from an entirely different filesystem is a nonissue; there isn't a filesystem out there that can.

To support my point: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?postid=1177376 Obviously a poll like this won't boast 100% reality, but it gives you an idea. --Laitment 20:24, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree, the "disadvantages" section should be renamed to something that better describes the contents, eg, "Problems" or "Issues"? Or should it be split into two, as in problems with (1)earlier and (2)current versions? Ideas? -- intgr 11:59, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

ReiserFS as default fs for Linux distros...
One could argue that the wording may give an impression that those distros not listed may not support reiserfs by default or during install. Debian and Gentoo (and probably most of the up-to-date distros) definitely can format and install onto ReiserFS, and my experiences tells me many Gentoo installs meant for home uses tend to use ReiserFS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calyth (talk • contribs) 16:59, 9 August 2005

 * Debian can not create ReiserFS-filesystems during install. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.161.228.253 (talk • contribs) 23:35, 6 February 2006

 * Really? Surprises me since Ubuntu, which is based on Debian, can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.217.2.112 (talk • contribs) 16:41, 2 April 2006
 * wrong. reiserfilesystem installers for debian existet at least since kernel 2.4.1.(that was 2001). nowadays debian uses initrd and you can allways use raiserfs with initrd. in the past debian didn't by default and installers that had reiserfs built as module didn't work as the modules themselves stored on that filsesystem - but as stated other installer had them built into the kernel.  never the less, raiserfs was always considered dangerous...
 * Debian 6.0 installer doesn't support reiserfs by default. (You can do it by manually enabling installer plugin)

Doesn't Slackware use ext3 as it's default FS? Anyone has proof that Slackware uses ReiserFS as default? I know that it supports ext2, ext3 and reiser3 though, as shown by Comparison_of_Linux_distributions 86.139.202.10 21:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

The default for Slackware since at least version 9.1 (and probably earlier) was reiserfs. Starting with Slackware version 12.0, the default was changed to ext3. Patrick V. can probably verify with a quick email to a Slackware mailing list what version he started making reisferfs the default. 65.219.140.66 22:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC) Tom Lahti, Slackware subscriber.

Seems unclear
1) Tail packing, a scheme to reduce internal fragmentation. Tail packing, however, has a significant performance impact; Namesys recommends disabling the feature in performance-critical applications.

2) Compared to ext2 and ext3 in 2.4, when dealing with files under 4k and with tail packing enabled, ReiserFS is often faster by a factor of 10–15.

The conjunction of these two sentences seem rather unbelievable. Moreover, benchmarks do not seem to confirm the second one. 81.65.26.186 06:19, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I guess it depends on whether you pack (a) a huge amount of tiny files, or (b) just the tails of larger files.
 * In case b, tail packing will probably slow you down significantly since without tail packing, files are more likely to be consecutive, resulting in less seeking and better readahead efficiency.
 * But in case a, when accessing a large number of tiny files, then packing means that the tails of the succeeding files might already be found in the disk cache from previous reads, thus resulting in fewer seeks and reads from the disk - and this is especially the case when most files are much smaller than the block size. It has also been said that ReiserFS shines when dealing with large amounts of directories and entries. An empirical example of these claims is the performance of the Gentoo Portage package management system.
 * I think the reasoning behind these cases should be pretty clear; I'm wondering why the developers haven't implemented a way to disable tail packing for larger files (since the space efficiency is negligible anyway). -- intgr 10:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * This is really very simple, and I believe it has been explained on the linked pages. In the (a) case, latency improves because you do not have to do an additional seek because the data is stored with the metadata (unlike for ext2), and bandwidth improves when accessing many small files with locality of reference due to increased density and readahead. In the (b) case, the slowing down is not at all related to sequential access (as metadata is generally kept in memory when the file data is resident, meaning the tail is in memory already from the time you open the file) but rather due to copying (the tiny file must be copied to a page of its own when read and copied back when written). The (b) case is, as pointed out, similar to what FFS experiences when growing a frag to a full block.
 * Reiser is hoping that we will eventually move to file systems where most of the "files" are about 10-100 bytes, which makes some sense, as few objects are larger than this; it's just a matter of turning the current collections of objects (files) into sets of objects. Paging hardware will make this difficult to do properly without a major paradigm shift, though.
 * Zuiram 10:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

lsattr and chattr
One should write there about incompability with ext2/3, which disallow user to use extented attributes of files. (like append-only, etc) It's a big disadvantage of ReiserFS.

openSUSE talking about dropping Reiser
openSUSE (perhaps SUSE Linux too?) is probably dropping ReiserFS as its default file system. --Spug 22:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

 * The linked mail seems to be just a proposal, this isn't time to even discuss it on WP. Gronky 11:37, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

 * If it was was a proposal it became fact. The default filesystem in openSUSE 10.2 is ext3 (but you still have the choice to use reiserfs). 81.96.206.228 16:57, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

 * As the author of the proposal, the link between Hans Reiser's arrest and the proposed change to the openSUSE default file system is entirely misleading. As a point of fact, I actually found out about Hans's arrest several hours after I sent the email, and the topic itself had been under discussion internally for a while before. Also, the default only applies to openSUSE, not SUSE Linux Enterprise as noted in the article. JeffMahoney 21:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Max filename length
The table says the maximum filename length is "4032 bytes/255 characters"

This doesn't make any sense; 255 characters would be 255 bytes, or 510 if using Unicode. Which is correct? Or does it mean bits -- but that would be 4080? 134.53.26.79 15:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Indeed, that's dubious. -- intgr 08:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 255 bytes is incorrect here - it's actually blocksize - 64 bytes, which is normally 4032 bytes -- SaguratuS 08:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The disk format supports blocksize - 64 bytes, but the Linux VFS imposes a 255 character limit on path components. -- JeffMahoney 21:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Redirect from "MurderFS" to "ReiserFS"
whoever created this link is just plain respectless, Hans deserves the right to be treated as innocent until proven the opposite (seemingly the prosecution has a hard time to do so ;) - that's a really strange case ...) so could anyone with "admin"-rights please block the entry "MurderFS" from being redirected to this entry in the future and/or prevent any associations being made with the murder (case) and Hans' filesystems (there simply isn't any) ? many thanks in advance --Medwikier (talk) 19:34, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I just saw that it was removed, thanks a lot ! --Medwikier (talk) 11:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately the link is still there. I just searched for murderfs and it redirects here. (June 10th 2008)

 * Inserting link here for convenience:
 * if is(link, blue ) then { delete(MurderFS); }
 * Sir June-10, don't forget to sign by inserting tilde*4: ~ ! ... said: Rursus ( m bork³ ) 11:00, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Murder conviction
There seems to be a significant group of people who feel that Reiser's status as a convicted murderer is pertinent to the article. Another body seems to feel that this is interesting, but completely irrelevant. Should it be included, or should it only be discussed if it is shown to have affected adoption of the FS. Your thoughts? 207.164.21.130 (talk) 01:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

"designed and implemented by a team at Namesys led by convicted murderer [1] Hans Reiser." - This makes it sound like the murder happened before the filesystem. It doesn't belong in the lead paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.87.186.107 (talk) 02:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. The question is whether it belongs at all. 207.164.21.130 (talk) 03:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

 * The right thing to do here is to not mention it as if the conviction predated all the Reiser FSs, nor to mention it in the lead; but only mention it if it affects the filesystem. As ReiserFS (the first one) was completed long before Nina disapeared, and IIRC is considered in maintenance, his murder conviction has little relevance. Now, I know I've seen some RS articles speculating about how the murder conviction impacts Reiser4's development, and that article should definitely include a section on 'Future Development' or something. That article is not this article, however. --Gwern (contribs) 03:41 3 May 2008 (GMT)

While the development of ReiserFS is irrelevant to the fact that its creator is a convicted murderer, given the sensational and despicable nature of the crime, I believe associating the crime to the creator is relevant. There is a moral obligation to any action we take, and alerting potential users of Hans Reiser's crime allows them to make an informed decision.

There is also a practical side to mentioning Reiser's crime: you do not want to describe what a wonderful product ReiserFS is without realizing its creator killed his wife. Swfong (talk) 21:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with the preceding argument (previous 2 paragraphs). In addition to this, the article in its current state makes a passing reference to a 'murder charge' without going any further, which may give the impression that that's all that came of it.  I think that is misleading; while we do not need every fine detail about the murder case, if we are going to mention the murder at all we should at least admit that he is, in fact, a convicted murderer and perhaps link off to the main Hans Reiser article for more information. mmj (talk) 05:33, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

There is also the question of how this will affect future development of the filesystem - I came here while searching around to see if Reiser might have had the decency to consent to changing the name of the FS, and if not, how future development of the filesystem would be affected. Seems silly not to mention that the guy who the filesystem is named after committed a pretty high-profile murder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.13.132.178 (talk) 00:17, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

While a murder is a terrible awful thing, it does not take away from the fact that this may be very useful technology. Someone should at least fork the code, under a new name. Perhaps a "murder controversy" section could be added later, to note that Hans Reiser has been convicted but that this does not detract from what may be great technology. 81.100.182.131 (talk) 00:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I added the fact that he was convicted; the placement probably ain't the greatest, but I didn't want to spend twenty minutes working out the best place the put it(I did, however, give some thought to the wording to prevent any association betwixt the conviction and the "did they drop it because of what happened?" thing). BioTube (talk) 00:50, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

stop linking to convertfs
In the 'external links' section there is a link to convertfs. I suggest this link to be removed. convertfs is completely unrelated to the article and the ReiserFS filesystem. It's a proof of concept of a great idea that allows you to convert any filesystem to any other filesystem in place (and resizing it while you're at it). However the implementation is so bug ridden that you're not likely to see your data again soon. It's unmaintained since 2002 (except for a minor fix 2005 contributed by someone else) and never got past its proof-of-concept stage. Because it's buggy and unmaintained, most Linux distros have kicked it out of their repositories by now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.178.71.238 (talk) 21:59, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Link to Reiser4 description
On the bottom of the page, it says: "Namesys web site is now offline but try a cached version of the Reiser4 description (without figures)." The Google cache is gone, so I suggest a link to that page at Archive.org instead. --82.171.70.54 (talk) 20:33, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Article protection
I can only view the source, which seems to indicate this article is protected. Why isn't a lock image being shown automatically in the top right corner? (I mean one of these.) --82.171.70.54 (talk) 20:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, the protection seems to be gone now. --82.171.70.54 (talk) 11:42, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Performance (not NPOV!)
The paragraph about ReiserFS' performance is not neutral. It ignores one major benefit, and relativizes another in a non-neutral way:

 * ReiserFS does not require a file-system check on start-up. On today's harddisks this check can easily take 30 minutes.  ReiserFS does not need it, and in conjunction with its full journalling, this feature (still!) makes ReiserFS the ideal choice for all systems that re-boot frequently like laptops.

 * ReiserFS outperforms everything else - including XFS, leave alone ext3 - available on the Linux market, when it comes to handling of a lot of small files. Both ext2 and ext3 get outperformed by everything else available on the Linux market unless you deal with extremely large files.  The article incorrectly justifies this discrepancy by stating that ReiserFS' advantages in this sector are "nullified" by a mysterious feature called "cycbuf" (the search term "cycbuf" currently triggers 722 hits on Google).

In practice - and contrary to what the article says - you have two choices when dealing with large quantities of data sets: You either rely on a well-tuned file system or you use a Relational database system. If you decide for a database, all serious databases offer options to organize data in raw device files, completely bypassing the file-system. Performance on very large files is irrelevant today, and even in this area ReiserFS is not a failure; it is just on eye-level with its competitors. The supposed "cycbuf" approach is just a workaround for file systems that croak on many small files.

The link in the criticism about usage of the Big Kernel Lock currently leads to la-la-land; not without reason. ReiserFS enforces file system integrity at run-time. This is why it can make do without a file system check at start-up.

A fair evaluation of ReiserFS would state under "Performance" that it is the leader of the pack for many small files, for laptops, and still acceptable everywhere else. If you criticize it, then please add real proof.

--GFlohr (talk) 17:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I edited relativates as I hope yoi meant it, Jabberwoch (talk)

oh yeah, and btw, the guy who was in charge of it is in prison for life for murder
and the company is no longer engaging in commercial activity.

im assuming that uhm.. that might be worth mentioning in an encyclopedia article... simply because many 'secondary sources' have written articles pondering what will happen to the project since its former leader can no longer lead it or contribute to it, and obviously many customers are wondering the same thing (and im wagering that if you dig around you can probably find articles about the customer's questions as well). I personally am probably not going to touch it because of the wikistress involved.

Example: article by Justin Mann, http://www.techspot.com/news/23188-the-future-of-namesys-and-reiserfs.html, 2006, "says Oleg Drokin, the former release manager at Namesys. "If he is convicted, that might cause problems for Namesys [because] it is operated solely by Hans.""

Decora (talk) 06:44, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

 * ohhhh.. i see what happened ( i guess? ). the article did used to mention it, sort of. then someone deleted this mention because it was 'unrelated to the filesystem' and was 'gossip'. ...... i dont really agree with that.... however..... the part this person deleted itself had several problems, including:

 * 1. the citation lacked a proper title and author (there is no article at that link named ""Announcement was unrelated to Reiser's legal troubles" written by Jeff Mahoney or anyone else. . Mahoney did wrote a comment on a blog post, in october, that was about a proposal he had made in september, of 2006, mentioning the 'legal trouble', i assume that was what the original author had intentioned to link to....)

 * 2. the article text said that 'suse claimed the switch was unrelated'. Mahoney had an email address at suse.com, but he specfically states on that page of comments that he did not speak for SuSE or Novell(nor would one expect an posting on a public blog comment section to be considered as speaking for a company). also, he specificalyl says his email was not an announcement, it was a proposal

 * 2.5 the article text had date problems. it said 'two days before' the announcement by novell, 'suse' had said it was 'unrelated' to reisers 'legal problems'. actually the link says the announcement was made on thursday, which would have been october 12, which is 8 days later than oct 4, which is the day listed on the comment Mahoney made on the blog that the citation linked to, not two days.

 * 3. the citation had a url that was a dead link to linux.wordpress.com, that was broken and/or unavailable. i found the original text using archive.org.

 * perhaps there is some other article out there, that mentions the things the article text said, authored by who it said authored it, referring to things that happened on dates it says they happened on... but the url provided is not it, the title isnt it, the author doesnt match, and there is no obvious article that would be a candidate for the 'missing article'. so... i tried to fix it up a little and fix some of these problems.. i kept the citation link, and add a little note in the 'ref' section describing what it is, and tried to provide proper title, archiveurl, url, dates, etc. i put it in the 'ref' section because i couldnt figure out how to fit it into the main article without writing an entire section on the suse switchover, but i dont feel like doing that major of a change. guess time will tell how i did. Decora (talk) 08:25, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

 * ok.. i .. felt like there was no 'right way' to do this other than to add a section about novell switching to ext3. i mean, the original editor linked to some important stuff, it was just described wrong and cited wrong, (or linked wrong? is there some missing article that backs up the original article text?). so i tried to link to the same thing the original editor linked to.., but to rewrite the description of what was linked to. i.e., that Mahoney of Suse specifically says he is worried about people connecting Reiser's "legal trouble" with the switch to ext3, then that he specifically states it is not a reason for the switch, and he also lists a bunch of technical reasons for the switch. hope i did ok.... Decora (talk) 09:16, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Looks good to me, thank you for your efforts! -- intgr [talk] 08:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:2nd millennium BC

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It says in both the 2nd and 3rd milleniums that the first Chinese sighting of a comet was in those milleniums. Can anyone confirm which millenium it really was?

And how was it possible for the Chinese to see a comet when China did not yet exist? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.252.73.196 (talk) 19:00, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

To whoever changed all occurrences of "BC" to "BCE"
Are you aware of how many articles need to be changed? Do you have a plan? A [developer] could write a bot that could do change all of the terms automatically. Since they haven't done that, they may have a reason. - Brunnock 22:16, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

Too poetic?
Does anybody else think this article is far too poetic?68.14.84.43 20:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

 * As long as it's both poetic and cogent I think it's fine. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 20:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Don't think so --Antariki Vandanamu 18:46, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

the article is far too poetic, and so belies the factual nature of the entry. have tidied this up a bit. Tescoid (talk) 10:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Where is the NPOV dispute?

 * The page refers to a NPOV dispute and directs to the talk page. But where is the NPOV dispute here?--Antariki Vandanamu 18:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I was just wondering about the same thing; given that nobody has seen fit to answer your question or otherwise provide an explanation here (which should be standard when an article or section is tagged as being disputed), I'll remove the tag. -- Schneelocke 12:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Fall of Troy?
To the best of my knowledge, the existence of Troy is disuputed. It was part of a story involving gods and monsters, and there is only limited evidence that it ever even existed, let alone "fell" on a specific date. 99.246.109.131 (talk) 21:19, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Where is first Korean civilization?
Dangun founded state of Gojoseon in 2333BC, both recorded by Chinese & Korean texts. And with archaeological discoveries including Bronze daggers/arrow/spear tips and ancient Korean Dolmens are evidence of Gojoseon. I think this is worth to mention at the article.Korsentry 05:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by KoreanSentry (talk • contribs)

Stars in Cave Paintings
Mention of the Lascaux cave painting in which the Pleiades star group appears would be appropriate for around 1,700 B.C. See url http://www.mazzaroth.com/ChapterOne/LascauxCave.htm SyntheticET (talk) 18:52, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

you missed a zero there, the Lascaux paintings date to about 17,000 BC, not 1,700 BC. --dab (𒁳) 13:39, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

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Assyria
Just wondering why there is no mention of Assyria on this page, even in the list of civilizations? Joaquimds (talk) 14:51, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

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