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Talk:Jackie Stewart

Very crowded 1973 schedule
Re this bit - "It was at Indianapolis and I was getting depressed by the pace of my life, the limit of being at home." It is worth pointing out that (due to various delays) the 1973 Indy 500 (which Stewart commentated on for ABC) took place on Wednesday May 30 and not on the previous Sunday as planned, and the Monaco GP (which he won) was then on Sunday 3 June (with practice and qualifying for it taking place even earlier in that same week). It just gives an idea of how crammed his schedule had become.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Indianapolis_500 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Monaco_Grand_Prix — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr gobrien (talk • contribs) 11:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Stewarts Dunlop Rain Tyre Advantage in 1968
From the article: "even though his rain tires were probably better than the ones of the competition." I don't know I believe it was Dunlop tire while as far as remember Lotus and Ferrari were using Firestone. What were Mclaren and Brabham using ? Ericd 23:40, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The Dunlop rain tyres Tyrell Matra, French V12 Matra and BRM used in 1968 were far better than the Firestones and Goodyears. Stewarts win by a 4 minute margin at Nurburgring and the 1st and 2nd by Stewart and Beltoise at the Dutch Gp reflects this. In both races they ran away with the race. Rodriquez BRM with Dunlops was immensely fast for much of the Dutch GP and the fastest on road for much of the French GP at Rouen eventually one BY Ickx on hand cut firestones. In the German GP the BRM's finished 6th Rodriqiez, 8th Courage and last and lapped Attwood possibly reflecting the fact that the BRM team bosses the Stanleys bias to old Etonians and Harrow old boys in Courage and Attwood was not a good one , but mainly BRM had lost its way and interest by Nurburgring and the P133 and P126 cars lacked even a rear wing to hold them down over the bumbs. Rodriquez engine will have been poorly or he would be furthur up. The only possible opposition to Stewart at Nurburgring would have come from Dan Gurney in the Eagle Westlake because the Eagle heavy and lacking in power was well suited to the circuit and Gurney who led in Germany by 45 sec in 1967 when he retired two laps from the flag, was good here. However he hit a kerb here on the second lap and had to pit and finished 9th. The fact jackie won at Zandroot and Nurburgring with an injured wrist and probably wouldnt have started these races unless they had been slower because of heavy rain, shows the immense superiority of the Dunlop rain tyres.

Trivia
Should there be a mention that he "cameos" in the music video for the Robbie Williams song "Supreme"? (Specifically, footage of Jackie from the 1970s is spliced with footage of Robbie, to make it look like they were both 1970s racing drivers). --Athcnv 20:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

 * No. Otherwise you're going to have to start listing every mention of Stewart in popular media. Halmyre 07:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Slow down!
What the devil was McLaren doing testing an F3 car?
 * Just part of his job as a works Cooper driver. DH85868993 13:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, is it correct "It is a testament to his success that fewer drivers have been killed in the period since his retirement than in a single season before him."? Trekphiler 21:11, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * List of Formula One fatal accidents identifies 11 drivers who have been killed in F1 cars since Stewart's retirement. Off the top of my head, I can't think of an individual season before Stewart's retirement in which more than 11 F1 drivers were killed, so it's possibly a bit of a stretch. DH85868993 13:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Degree
He was awarded an honourary degree from University of Edinburgh in 2006, is this ok to add? Or is it not that notable? James (talk) 12:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * To my knowledge he has several, IIRC 1997 one from Glasgow Caledonian University. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.195.8 (talk) 12:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Nationality
Should Jackie's nationality be listed as British or Scottish? Krashski35 (talk) 13:21, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Nationality of F1 drivers has been standardised as the nationality of their racing licence, so JYS is listed as British. The lead makes clear that he is Scottish. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 13:24, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Surely the lead should refer to his as British as is consistent with other articles on Wiki? Paul Di Resta is a "a British racing driver from Scotland", Jim Clark was "a British Formula One racing driver from Scotland" Sue De Nimes (talk) 08:36, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Team Jackie won his championships with
This page http://www.formula1.com/teams_and_drivers/hall_of_fame/127/ says Jackie won all of his Championships with BRM. It never even mentions Matra. Whats up? --158.106.52.10 (talk) 16:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

 * No, it says he won them all with Tyrrell, which is true - one with the Tyrrell Matra-Cosworth, two with Tyrrell-Cosworths. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 22:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Mortality rate?
"During Stewart's F1 career, the chances of an F1 driver who raced for five years being killed in a crash were two out of three."

While the number of drivers killed in crashes was undoubtably high, a perfunctory examination of the numbers reveals the 'two out of three' to be an exaggeration. Many of the drivers of the time also raced in Formula 2, Le Mans, Indianapolis, and other events such as hillclimbing and sports car races. Of those who started the 1965 season 11 out of 49 died in crashes during their careers, and 5 of these were F1 related. The majority of the drivers of Stewart's era who raced for five seasons or more actually survived. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.9.97.204 (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

RBS incident
this text is constantly overturned. I suspect somebody is vetting this page - note there is virtually no discussion of resentment about Stuart's tax exile status or his initial refusal to waive his RBS fee. We do not want a page that is just an advert for the man.

"Stewart is also the head sports consultant/ patron for the Royal Bank of Scotland. In March 2009, Jackie finally, after earlier refusals, waived his fee for the year in response to the bank losing £24bn in 2008. "  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.179.82 (talk) 22:38, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Not having been involved in these edits, I'm just going to make a few uninvolved comments. For starters, the Heritage Scotsman link reads very a blog, it doesn't really meet WP:POV, or potentially WP:Reliable source perhaps? A question though is resentment for tax exile status a significant issue? No Wikipedia is not supposed to be an advert, nor is it supposed to be a method of broadcasting issues of minor significance.
 * And please can you sign your talk page posts as requested? Thank you. --Falcadore (talk) 23:08, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Spa crash
This section currently reads " The marshals had no tools to help him, and it took his teammate Hill and Bob Bondurant, who had both also crashed nearby, to get him out." I saw him on TV last night describing the accident and he related that Hill pulled over and stopped to help him "when he could have carried on racing". He mentioned nothing about Hill crashing. d a n n o 17:37, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Both spun without hitting anything, I think. --Ian Dalziel (talk) 22:30, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you're right. There's a clip on YouTube of Graham Hill talking about Stewart's crash. Hill spun off at the same place and it was only by chance that he spotted Stewart's car in a ditch - I don't think he'd have seen it from the track. Halmyre (talk) 06:32, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Buckinghamshire?
How long has he lived there? Can anyone find something that verifies this 'fact'? Not saying it's not true, I just though he still lived in Switzerland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boredreiver (talk • contribs) 15:50, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * This interview indicates that he has had a home in Buckinghamshire since at least April 2009, and that he also has a home near Lake Geneva. DH85868993 (talk) 02:02, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Place of birth
To be pedantic, are we sure that he was born in Milton, West Dunbartonshire? Even in 1939 probably most mothers gave birth in a maternity hospital rather than at home. As it happens, there was a maternity hospital at Overtoun, which was arguably within Milton, which might have been open in 1939 although it is now closed. However he could have been born further afield e.g. in Braehome in Helensburgh or even Lennoxtown. PatGallacher (talk) 00:08, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Our usual source says Milton, same as his brother. If any sources can be dug up to suggest somewhere else, then it can be changed. His autobiography should clear it up, if anyone has a copy. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:19, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * According to the Wikipedia entry for Overtoun House, it didn't become a Maternity Hospital until 1947. The Statutory Register of Births indicates that there was a John Young Stewart born in the parish of West Kilpatrick in 1939, which rules out Lennoxtown and Helensburgh. I'll check the autobiography when I can lay my hands on it. Halmyre (talk) 07:16, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

 * UPDATE - I've checked the autobiography and he does say that both he and his brother were born at the family home in Milton (on the dining-room table!). Halmyre (talk) 13:58, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Pretty impressive stuff. I bet Vettel wasn't born like that. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:40, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

The article says "Stewart was born in Dumbarton, a town not far from Scotland's largest city, Glasgow. Stewart's family were Austin, later Jaguar, car dealers and had built up a successful business in Milton, West Dunbartonshire, Scotland where Stewart was born." so it provides two places of birth. According to Halmyre, Jackie's autobiography says that Jackie was born in Milton. If this is the case, the sentence above should be fixed.

ICE77 (talk) 03:44, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

 * OK, done. Halmyre (talk) 09:55, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

More ingredients
This BBC profile has good stuff on his safety campaigning. Onanoff (talk) 20:06, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

That spanner
There are three places in the article currently that mention the spectator's spanner. Two of them contain paragraph-length descriptions of how this incident intensified his interest in safety. One of those ought to be removed. I think it should be the first one, but I'll leave the decision to you folks who have been working on this fine article. 98.247.224.9 (talk) 02:43, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

 * I've had a shot although I think it could do with a bit more work and tidy up e.g. the consistency - the article constantly switches between referring to the names of Grands Prix or the names of the tracks, for instance. I've cut back on the commentator references in the lead-in and replaced it with a line about his safety campaign, which is surely more notable. Halmyre (talk) 07:33, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

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Donington Park
(The following text was added to the article by 80.192.156.23 on 22 October 2018; transferred to the talk page by DH85868993)

As a young man l worked as a Mercedes mechanic for FBW Motors in Oadby, owned by Frank Bernard Wheatcroft (FBW) who lived in Wigston, along with his many classic cars. I understood he and Jackie Stewart were instrumental in ‘buying’ the defunct Donnington Park racing circuit close to East Midlands Airport. However, if that is true l’m surprised there is no mention of the project here.

Nickname in lede
"The Flying Scot?" That was Jim Clark's nickname given to him by the racing press. Jackie, junior to Clark on the professional scene, was "The Wee Scott." I never heard Stewart referred to as "The Flying Scott, " although admittedly I haven't followed Stewart's life for many year. Was Clark's nickname conferred to his countryman Stewart after Clark's death? The entry was made without a source. ShelbyMarion (talk) 12:25, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I've added the following references for Stewart being nicknamed the "Flying Scot":
 * https://www.hotcars.com/fast-facts-about-sir-jackie-stewart/
 * https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/shop/art-and-prints/posters/matra-ms80-sir-jackie-stewart-the-flying-scot-1969
 * Also noting the existence of Mike Kettlewell's book "Stewart: The Flying Scot", and the 2001 documentary "Jackie Stewart: The Flying Scot". I suspect the nickname was transferred to Stewart after Clark's death, in the same way that there have been several "Flying Finn"s over the years. DH85868993 (talk) 06:05, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

"By Stewart's reckoning, a driver who raced for five years had a two-thirds chance of being killed in a crash"
The source does not say this was said by Stewart - it simply states this as fact. This seems to have been changed following complaints on this talk page that the figure is obviously an exaggeration - but seeing as those complaints still stand, this line should probably be removed. --Eldomtom2 (talk) 20:39, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

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Complete Formula 1 statistics
I reverted the career statistics format to the Wikipedia standard chart for all Formula 1 drivers. Please see Wikipedia articles for Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart among others. The information you added is useful though and can be added to the text section recounting Surtees' Formula 1 career. If you would like to change the current format, you could post a message on the Wikiproject Formula One page.Orsoni 09:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd support addition of this information - not so relevant for current drivers, but very relevant for the 50s, 60s and 70s where really small independent teams were much more common. I see Pyrope has rasied this at the old discussion to this effect at WP:F1, so suggest we carry on there. 4u1e 10:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that the 50s and 60s were different times. My concern is that a myriad of facts in the results column would obscure the main focus of the chart which is to summarize the driver's results. In my opinion, the differing chassis and engine combinations can be addressed and fleshed out in the main body of the article. I also think it's important to keep a standard results chart for all Formula 1 drivers so as to make things easier on the reader linking from article to article.Orsoni 12:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I cannot see how my table was a problem. The "standard" chart was created by neophytes with no long-term view. I had spent quite a bit of time making sure that I wasn't overloading the table with information, and I think that the resultant chart was clear, concise, and most importantly, correct. I hav posted message on the Formula One wikiprojet page and was using John Surtees as an example of how the format could be better. You have now removed that, thanks. Pyrope 13:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I apologize for that. No slight was intended. I was only trying to maintain the current standard used in the other driver's articles and wasn't aware you were using this article as an example. You can revert to your edit by using the history section.Orsoni 13:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's ok, I didn't mean to jump down your throat. I do however give significant thought when I make large-scale changes to articles and I expect others to do the same. Crediting Surtees with driving for Lola in 1962 is simply wrong, Reg Parnell bought chassis from Lola and ran them under his Bowmaker-Yeoman Racing sponsorship. Lola was credited with Constructors' Chamionship points, but they emphastically were not Big John's "Team". Pyrope 13:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

john surtees accident at mosport in can am
two young men from the detroit area were watching the practice allong side of me. when surtees left the road we knew it might be bad. we ran down thru the underpass, and hollered at the safety crew, where was surtees. they said to stay away because the car could blow up. we ran to the car and john was pinned under the cowl. i lifted the rear, one of the guys from michigan lifted the front, and the other crawled in and released the belts and killed the power switch. i tried to find out how john was at watkins glen, but the pit crew didnot understand me. respectfully; bob merritt, [personal information redacted] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.240.166.214 (talk) 23:34, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

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I deleted ref to "success in Grand Prix"; I suspect they were unofficial GPs, since many races were ID as such in that period (& every CART event still is...). Also, I question, "In 1955, he drove a Bugatti Type 251 in the French Grand Prix, becoming the last driver to represent the famed marque at a Grand Prix race." Angelo Anselmi, in "Bugatti" (World of Automobiles, Vol.3, p.271) says the Tp251 never ran. Trekphiler 22:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:List of prime ministers of Iran

To do
Found this guy using google: Mohammad Hossein Khan Esfehani. check with Persian Encyclopedia. roozbeh 22:47, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)

Found another two: Mehdi Gholi Hedayat and Mokhber os-Saltaneh Hedayat. Second was premier under Reza Shah for six years. May be same guys. roozbeh 00:25, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)
 * I will look for Mehdi Gholi Hedayat.--Sina 12:46, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hassan Pirnia was Prime Minister for one month in 1915 - this does not appear in the list —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.104.28.65 (talk) 02:11, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Mozaffar al-Din Shah Qajar
Nice list, but there is a mistake: Mozaffar al-Din Shah Qajar died January 7, 2007.! --Wvk (talk) 06:26, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Mistakes
Really there's some mistakes. According french and german wikipedies the list are different. I can check that the french and german wikipedies are more corrects following Enciclopaedya of Islam; thus the prime minister Vosough od-Dowleh apper 3 times in the english list, two in french-german wikipedies (same as Enc. of Islam) and 5 or 6 times in worldstatesmen (http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Iran.htm). --95.17.89.240 (talk) 15:17, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

E'tedalion Party
Several entries in this list were marked as being members of the "E'tedalion Party" - an organization for which the accompanying article has subsequently been deleted as an apparent hoax (see List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/E'tedalion Party).

To address this issue, I have replaced the references to apparently fictional "E'tedalion Party" with the Party either previously listed against their names, or which might be reasonably from reading their articles. However, the changes could do with review by someone with a more detailed understanding of Iranian political history.

Happy to discuss if required. -- Euryalus (talk) 03:24, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Farmanfarma: dubious first term
I very much doubt the information about Farmanfarma's first term (Feb-July 1915). I have here a detailed chronology of his life, which carefully details each and every position he held, but in which there is no mention of this alleged first term ("A chronology of the life of Abdol Hossein Mirza Farman Farma", in: "Shahzdeh's Tree" by Mitra Farman Farmaian Jordan, Universal Printing, Seattle 1997). According to this book, in 1915 he becomes Minister of Interior; then he is mentioned to become Prime Minister at the end of the year, while keeping his position of Minister of Interior as well. The chronology clearly then states: He has served as Prime Minister for only two months and ten days: this accounts for the "second" term; I think the "first" term never existed. (Maybe it was invented to fill a hole in the list!) Sapphorain (talk) 09:37, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You seem to be right. I checked his Iranica article and that also says that he only served one term as PM. The fawiki article also only mentions one term. Brustopher (talk) 10:31, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I checked the history of the page, and it seems this "first" term appeared on Jan 5, 2007, by an ip (89.216.181.132) which contributed only in January 2007, only on various lists of rulers, for which it never provided any source. And this entry has never been questioned afterwards, except by a (banned!) user who slightly modified the span of this "first" term. I am afraid the whole first part of the list is very suspect. Sapphorain (talk) 10:36, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * … And thanks for the link to Farmanfarma on Iranica, I didn't know this entry existed. Sapphorain (talk) 11:10, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have removed Farmanfarma's first term, so there is a gap now between February and July 1915... I have also remodeled Farmanfarma's article and Template:Prime Ministers of Iran to reflect changes on this list. --Sundostund (talk) 14:14, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, this might be a little hasty. Since the whole list is dubious, and very different from both the German and Iranian lists, it might have been better to put first a warning template on the article (I'll do that anyway). Sapphorain (talk) 21:49, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've just realised I've got online access to a copy of Iran between two revolutions by Abrahamian. I think I might be able to use it to iron out the chronology a bit within the next few weeks. From what I can see so far (you can't quickly flick through this kind of ebook) it doesn't contain a complete chronology of all the prime ministers in it. Brustopher (talk) 23:22, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sapphorain, I just wanted to help here. If you and other editors disagree, you are free to revert my edits... Brustopher, if you plan to iron out the chronology, please don't use sources which doesn't contain a complete chronology of all the prime ministers. It can lead to even more confusion. Try to find sources with complete chronology before you change anything. --Sundostund (talk) 00:04, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Iranian Parties and the leader of the Council of Islamic Revolution
Morteza Motahhari was assassinated before the resignation of Mehdi Bazargan, and at the time of Bazargan's resignation, Abolhassan Banisadr was the leader of the Council of Islamic Revolution. Iran does not have long-lasting parties. There were few Prime ministers who were the members of specific parties during their incumbency. Shfarshid (talk) 23:56, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That still doesn't explain why you completely removed the Constitutionalist Party of Iran from the list, or why you decided to scrap the general division of parties (conservative, reformist, etc) which was in use until now... Anyway, we'll see what other users have to say about your edits. In the meantime, I'll correct/improve your edits where I see it as necessary. --Sundostund (talk) 14:08, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

A lot of mistakes
There are lots of mistakes in this list. In Persian article, it was fixed. 109.162.217.245 (talk) 20:42, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * 5 years ago I wrote this message with IP. Finally, I myself edit this article, and correct its mistakes! However, it needs more edits. Shfarshid (talk) 02:04, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I had to revert your edits. As you can see from my edit summary, I think that we should keep parties divided along a general line: liberal, conservative, reformist, etc. Next, your version totally eliminated the Constitutionalist Party from the list, although it was the most important party until the 1920s. Also, Banisadr wasn't the leader of Revolutionary Council in 1979–80, it was Motahhari. I'm sure there are some more controversial aspects of your version, I just wanted to highlight the most obvious ones. --Sundostund (talk) 14:40, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I think there is a gross confusion between being involved in the constitutional revolution - which everybody in a position of power at these times was, and in particular every prime minister - and belonging to the party of the constitutional revolution (whatever this might mean: there were no political parties in a modern sense at this time). In the version Sundostund defends, the tags "Constitutional Movement" seems to have been distributed randomly and very generously on this list. One must not forget that if the Majlies were in majority constitutionalists, the prime minister was chosen by the Shah, and although he had to obtain a vote of confidence of the Majlies, he was himself usually not a constitutionalist. For instance Farmanfarma was definitely not a constitutionalist: he was on the contrary a prominent figure of the class the Constitutionalists wished to oust from power! (Note that, correctly, the related wikipedia category reads "People of the Persian Constitutional Revolution", meaning of course everybody having to deal with the constitutional revolution, and not only those in favour of it). On the other hand, the version Shfarshid defends contains no tag "Constitutional Movement", which is impossible, and also contains incorrect dates (Farmanfarma was born in 1857, not 1859; he resigned on February 5, 1916, and not in March - his resignation was commented in the press on 12 and 16 February, and then on 2 and 3 March). So both versions appear very incorrect to me. Unfortunately I am in no way a specialist of the subject: I am just interested in the life of Farmanfarma for personal reasons Sapphorain (talk) 13:39, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That's exactly my point here - Shfarshid completely removed the Constitutional Movement from the list! I never argued that every Iranian PM of the period was Constitutionalist, of course there were some different factions in power. I have no problem to admit that the version which I "defend" contain many mistakes, that's obvious and it should be and must be fixed... As for your observations about Farmanfarma, please change what you see as incorrect in the list (and don't limit yourself to just Farmanfarma). --Sundostund (talk) 14:17, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Dear friends, my defended version is supported by the reference that I mentioned it at the end of the article. If you disagree it, you should support your versions by at least an accurate reference. As far as I know, in Wikipedia we have to mention almost everything with an accurate reference.

I want you to notice that my edits were not only changing the prime ministers' political parties. I deleted the name of 3 politicians who were not prime ministers of Iran. They are Malek Mansur Mirza (Mohammad-Ali Shah's brother), Morteza-Gholi Khan Hedayat (speaker of parliament) and Momtaz os-Saltaneh (Iranian minister plenipotentiary in France). There are also lots of changes in the order of this list that are in accordance with the reference.

Dear Sundostund, please notice that Morteza Motahhari was assassinated before the resignation of Mehdi Bazargan, and at the time of Bazargan's resignation, Abolhassan Banisadr was the leader of the Council of Islamic Revolution (Please refer to the article Council of Islamic Revolution).

Dear Sapphorain, the Constitutional movement was not a political party. In the first parliament, there were no parties. Iran does not have long-lasting parties. There were few Prime ministers who were the members of established parties during their incumbency. If you like to know more about the early Iranian parties, please see this Iranica article. Kind regards, Shfarshid (talk) 15:00, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I read the article concerning the political parties, and I now agree that the constitutional movement was not a political party but a revolutionary movement, and that none of the prime ministers can be said to have clearly approved of it (although some of them had ties with politicians who did). I also approve your suppression of people who clearly were never prime ministers. However, I noticed you changed a number of dates, and according to VIAAF you are always wrong. I only checked one instance on iranica online: according to iranica on line, Mirza Ali Asghar Khan Amin al-Soltan is born in 1858, and not in 1843 as you changed it. There are also some blue links that became red because you modified some names. Sapphorain (talk) 16:28, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Even if not a single PM was officially Constitutionalist, there must be some of them who were very strongly linked with that movement (we all know the importance of the Constitutionalist Movement in the early 20th century Persia/Iran), so that should be reflected in this list as well. Next, as I said - I truly believe that we should mark parties by their political orientation (conservative, reformist, etc), not as Shfarshid did in his version. Iran has a long-lasting tradition (not just after 1979) of "classifying" parties as either conservative, reformist, moderate (or something else) and we should keep that model in this list as well. As for the Motahhari/Banisadr issue, I'm satisfied by the given explanation. I wasn't aware that Motahhari was assassinated while Bazargan was still in the office. --Sundostund (talk) 16:38, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

According to Iranica, Farmanfarma was born in 1858. Regarding Amin al-Soltan (Atabak) date of birth, I made a mistake, sorry. According to "Iran in the Great War (1914-1918)", Farmanfarma resigned on 29th February 1916, so I accept another mistake. I am going to fix these mistakes and add the references. Furthermore, the only blue link that became red is Javad Sa'd al-Dowleh (Saad ad-Daula). Unfortunately, the article Saad ad-Daula is another misleading WP article. The image of this article belongs to Najaf-Qoli Samsam al-Saltaneh not Javad Sa'd al-Dowleh. This article considers these two different prime ministers as the one person, without citing any reference!

Dear Sapphorian, could you please explain more about VIAAF. I'm not familiar with this source.

Dear Sundostund, if you could find an accurate reference, we can improve this article as you wish (the political affiliation of PMs of Iran). Please notice that at the moment this article has one reference. I know that it should be improved. At least the order of the names is now fixed and 3 fake PMs were deleted. I am so keen to cooperate with you to improve this article with accurate references. Shfarshid (talk) 02:54, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for all the changes and correction of mistakes. According to WorldCat Abdol-Hossein Farmanfarma was born in 1857: . According to the Virtual International Authority File, also: . These informations (if available) are to be found on the page of each person on the english wikipedia. As you can see these represent not only one, but a large number of sources that all say he was born in 1857. So only one source saying differently is not enough to change that date (unless it is his birth certificate!) I have two books on Farmanfarma's life, translated from the Persian. One says he was born in 1858, and the other in 1859. Both are very imprecise regarding occidental dates, and it is probably in part due to the fact that there actually was a change of calendar in Iran.Sapphorain (talk) 08:31, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you Sapphorain, please edit the Farmanfarma's date of birth with adding your references. I agree with you. Shfarshid (talk) 10:56, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Of course, I'm looking forward to our cooperation on this article as well. I have plans to change some stuff in your version. For instance, I'll change some party colors which you added (colors for New Iran Party, Rastakhiz, Islamic Republican Party, military officeholders, and maybe some more). I'm sure we can find some better solutions about that... Also, you added a wrong coat of arms in the place of missing pictures during the Qajar period (instead of Qajar, you placed the coat of arms which was used during the Pahlavi dynasty). --Sundostund (talk) 14:37, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, I finished most of the changes which I planned to do. I hope you'll find it useful. --Sundostund (talk) 18:50, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

The (3 days?!) premiership of Kamran Mirza Nayeb es-Saltaneh appears to be very dubious, according to Iranica: (which also gives 1929 as the year of his death, as his article says: I am correcting this). Sapphorain (talk) 22:37, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * According to the first reference of this article, Kamran Mirza was prime minister for 3 days. In the 8th paragraph of Kamran Mirza Nayeb-al-Saltana entry of Iranica, this is also mentioned in a vague manner.

Thank you for paying time and effort to improve this article. You chose 3 green, 2 red (one of them maybe pink) and 2 blue colours for the parties. They are so similar. I believe you should choose more different colours with high contrast. Concerning Lion and Sun (former emblem of Iran), I should state that it was the official emblem of the state of Iran according to "the supplementary fundamental laws of October 7, 1907". This emblem did not belong to Qajar or Pahlavi dynasties. This was also used during Safavid, Afsharid and Zand era. The tag of is misleading. Anyway, I have a better idea. There are appropriate images in Persian Wikipedia for all of Iranian PMs. We can also use them in English Wikipedia. Do you know how they can be transferred to Wikimedia commons? Shfarshid (talk) 00:48, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I believe those colors should be similar - they represent parties of similar political background (royalist, Islamist, etc). They can't be represented by some random, unrelated colors. Its the principle which is used in almost every list of officeholders on English Wikipedia... As for Lion and Sun, we'll see what to do about that. In my opinion, we should keep the (currently used) coat of arms of Iran during the time of the Qajar dynasty, as it contain Lion and Sun anyway. As for images, I'd support inclusion of images of all Iranian PMs, but its not easy to meet all the criteria at the Commons (many images placed there are quickly deleted due to that). I'm really not an expert in that field (most of my images there where deleted over time). --Sundostund (talk) 01:20, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, anyway thank you. Shfarshid (talk) 02:40, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I wish to thank you as well - you did a really serious work on this article, found sources, and corrected many mistakes which existed in the previous version. I think that we, together, managed to turn this article into something which is acceptable to both of us (and to other editors, I hope). --Sundostund (talk) 14:12, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Constitutionalist Party of Iran
This article appears very suspicious to me, in the light of for instance the Iranica article on the political parties during the Constutional period that you showed me:. It claims this party was founded (in Iran) in 1908, which appears blatantly false. It has only one source, that mentions foundation of the party in 1994 in the United States, but not that it existed before as a party in Iran. What do you think? Sapphorain (talk) 11:55, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Dear Sapphorain, you're absolutely right. In the only reference of that article, there is nothing regarding the foundation of the party in 1908. Unfortunately, it is totally misleading. Shfarshid (talk) 12:27, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * If that article is indeed misleading and without references, it must be corrected somehow. As it stands now, it suggest that the Constitutionalist Party was the most important political organization in the early 20th century Persia/Iran. --Sundostund (talk) 14:16, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

List of Speakers
I see that Sapphorain already removed misleading content from the Constitutionalist Party of Iran article. In the light of that, as well as having in mind changes which are implemented in this article, I must raise the issue of parties at List of Speakers of the Parliament of Iran. We must change it as well somehow, remove misleading stuff (Constitutionalist Party is quite present there, etc). What you guys think about that? --Sundostund (talk) 14:24, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, clearly this must be corrected also. In fact this is not another issue, it is all linked together. It appears somebody had been trying to promote this Constitutionalist Party of Iran by inventing an early foundation in Iran in 1908. As you can check, the english page I pruned is now similar in content to the iranian page. A "Category:Constitutionalist Party of Iran politicians" was also created, in which a number of old politicians were unduly inserted. I have removed all of them, and the category now contains a single person (who is the founder in 1994 of this party). The article on the party will probably be nominated for deletion, as a notability template is on it since April 2016.
 * However, I am not a specialist on iranian politicians and I don't have at my disposition the documents User:Shfarshid has. For the time being I am (little by little) reflecting the recent changes by Shfarshid on the individual pages of old PMs. Sapphorain (talk) 09:38, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Dear friends, I agree. But the main problem is finding an accurate reference. The information for the speakers of the parliament before Islamic revolution is totally wrong. Unfortunately, the dates of this table are also wrong. For the first step, I think it's better to remove the party colors totally for this period of parliament of Iran. Shfarshid (talk) 13:57, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, this issue is clearly linked to our discussion here - I used the term "another issue" just in general meaning. Anyway, I changed the name of this section... Shfarshid, please be more precise - do you want to remove colors of all speakers before Islamic revolution? I can agree with that, but not in all cases - we have colors for National Front, Rastakhiz, and some other parties. There's no reason to remove them as well. Of course, Constitutionalist Party should be removed completely. --Sundostund (talk) 14:22, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I meant that. Mohammad Tadayyon was one of the principal members of Revival Party. Mohammad-Sadeq Tabatabai was one of the founders of Moderate Socialist Party (Ejtem'iyun-e E'tedaliyun), but when he became the speaker of parliament, this party was not active. Abol-Ghasem Kashani was not a member of National Front. Abdollah Riazi was independent. (After foundation of Rastakhiz Party, all of politicians have to be a member of this party, but there were 2 or 3 factions inside this party.) Unfortunately, at the moment I do not have an accurate reference for these party memberships. I only want you to know that the information in this list is quite misleading and I think for now, it is better to delete all the parties before the Islamic revolution. After finding an accurate reference, we can improve the list. Shfarshid (talk) 23:50, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * As I said, I can't support the removal of all colors of speakers before the Islamic revolution. That especially apply for the Revival Party and the post-1975 (Rastakhiz) period... I think you should find some accurate reference(s) about speakers before we start changes on that article, in the same way as was done here, on the list of PMs. --Sundostund (talk) 23:58, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, I agree. Maybe one of the useful references for this subject is "Iran Between Two Revolutions (1982)" which is written by Ervand Abrahamian. I also thank you for the recent useful edits. I want to notice you that Mozaffar al-Din Shah was died on 3 January 1907, so Mirza Nasrullah Khan Moshir al-Dowleh was also the first prime minister (or more precisely grand vizier) of Mohammad-Ali Shah. Could you please show this in the table? Furthermore, I do not believe that Ali Mansur was deposed by occupying Anglo-Soviet forces. Reza Shah ordered the resignation of him, as it mentioned in Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran. Shfarshid (talk) 01:13, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

 * I also want to thank you, for editing the articles of prime ministers of Iran, with regard to recent changes in this list. Shfarshid (talk) 01:16, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

 * If you can find that book of Abrahamian, please use it as a reference. It can certainly be helpful... As for the corrections in the table - of course, I'll do it as soon as possible. --Sundostund (talk) 01:31, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

 * As you can see, I changed the reason for the end Mansur's term from "deposed" to "resigned", while keeping the link to the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran (as his resignation was clearly connected to the invasion). As for the change in the table about Mirza al-Dowleh being the Grand Vizier of both Shahs, I don't really know how to do that. Its not an easy change to do, and apparently I've forgot how it should be done (its been awhile since I did last such change)... Its not a huge deal anyway - the present version creates an inconsistency of just two months in the list. --Sundostund (talk) 14:21, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

 * I agree with the word "resigned". I tried to fix the problem of Mozaffar al-Din Shah death and Mohammad-Ali Shah succession during Nasrullah Moshir al-Saltaneh incumbancy. I hope you agree with the changes. Furthermore, I should explain that the word "Mirza" is not a given name. If it is used before a given name, it's just a style (like the word "Sir"). If it is used after a given name (for example Kamran Mirza) it means prince (Prince Kamran). On the other hands, the epithet of the first prime minister was "Moshir al-Dowleh" (at that time, few Iranians had a family name). So because of preventing such misunderstanding, I changed the order of the first prime minister's name in the list. Please notice that the other names were already simplified. For example, the fourth prime minister's full name was "Mirza Ahmad Khan Moshir al-Saltaneh", which was simplified to "Ahmad Moshir al-Saltaneh". Shfarshid (talk) 00:09, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

 * Yes, I agree with the changes. At the moment, I don't have an idea how to do it differently (if I get an idea, I'll try to do it in some other way). As for the word "Mirza" etc, I really don't see some big issue in it. I have no problem to accept your changes about that as well. --Sundostund (talk) 00:34, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Jarno Trulli

Worst Finish
I'm inclined to include the fact that, in '00, Jarno suffered the worst finish of any F1 driver ever, placing 10230h. It was at the New York Marathon, of course; his Jordan wasn't that bad... Trekphiler 04:25, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Section headings
Isn't it just easier if, instead of having Jordan to Renault and Renault to Toyota and what-not, to just have Prost/Minardi, Jordan, Renault, Toyota, like every other article?  Lra drama 08:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Hiya! I'm working on this article and hope to have it ready for the start of the 2008 season. Any suggestions would be great. It can be found under 'Sandbox 2' of my user-page. Woggle eye (talk) 04:35, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Gilles Villeneuve

Villeneuve alive when medics arrived?
I heard somewhere that he was still barely alive when the medical teams reached him, maybe could be worth researcing?
 * According the Donaldson biography, which is a pretty highly regarded book, he was not declared dead until 9:12 that evening and had been maintained on a life support machine up to that point. There were attempts to resuscitate him immediately after the accident, but Prof Sid Watkins is of the view that the outcome was inevitable once the accident occured. This pretty much fits with what the article currently says. 4u1e 09:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation
How do you pronounce his name?
 * Something like 'Geal (soft 'g', like 'generate') Veel - nerve' and camp up your French accent (Yes, I know, French-Canadian not the same as French!) Hope that helps, I don't know how that fancy phonetic notation works. If anyone does, they could add it to the article :) 4u1e
 * I've rather dubiously come up with this: for pronunciation. Anyone know if that's right? 4u1e 21:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No, the phonetic notation in the article is correct: ʒil vilnœv is the correct French-Canadian pronounciation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.87.230.199 (talk) 20:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC).
 * Good to know. I got the one used in the article with the help of some people on the help desk. Cheers. 4u1e 08:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Selected article
It has been suggested at Portal talk:Formula One that this article be used as a selected article. It is also suggested (by me, not by any higher authority) that the following work is needed before doing so:
 * Provide references
 * Tidying up structure with suitable headings
 * 'Family life' for example. The period of Gilles' early career was quite hard for his wife, and of course there is Jacques as well.
 * Probably split into something like:
 * Lead
 * Early and family life
 * Racing Career
 * Pre-Formula One (Snowmobile racing, anyone?)
 * Formula One
 * Death - Much of the current wording would end up in this section, or the next one
 * Legacy - Villeneuve has made it into racing folklore, so I think 'Legacy' is appropriate here. Wouldn't be for most drivers. Done 4u1e 06:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Refs etc Largely done? 4u1e 11 July

 * Consider whether the list of quotes is a suitable format for this article (personal view, here, so don't take that as gospel!)
 * Suggest it would be more suitable to move most of them to wikiquote (and then put the wikiquote box at the bottom of this page) and maybe keep a couple to illustrate the article. 4u1e 3 July 2006
 * Well, I've taken executive action on this one - the quotes were all in Wikiquote already, so I've deleted them from here. 4u1e 11 July 2006

 * Usual spelling, grammar and wikilink checks.
 * Expand lead to provide suitable draw for readers. Think I've covered this. 4u1e

Feel free to knock any items off that list, or provide justification as to why they are not needed. Cheers. 4u1e 6 June 2006

I would also say that some more pictures would be good. 4u1e 19:09, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * One of Villeneuve in a 312T3 added (Thanks again to Barry Boor) 4u1e 11 July 2006

The current intention is that this article should be brought up to Good Article status by 16 July. I likes a challenge. 4u1e 19:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Article also needs a summary table of results - anyone feel like knokcing one up, using the model from Mark Webber or Damon Hill? 4u1e 11 July 2006

Done. Cs-wolves 14:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Good work there Cs-wolves. I've been away for a few days, should have checked on that before setting my deadlines! :-D Give me 24 hours to have a look over it. Off the top of my head I'm still a bit concerned about NPOV (not from your work, but from the article as it was) and it probably still needs fuller references. I can sort those - I've got Donaldson's biography here. Maybe you can look at NPOV and I'll do the references and if we sort that out we can go on as selected article tomorrow night. Cheers 4u1e 22:15, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Museum?
Is there actually a Gilles Villeneuve museum near Ile Notre-Dame? I don't remember seeing one when I was there, it's not listed on the Parc Jean-Drapeau map (which includes Ile Notre-Dame), and the only reference to a Gilles Villeneuve museum I can find is in his hometown of Berthierville, far enough away from Montreal that it wouldn't be considered "near Ile Notre-Dame". --CanSpice 00:34, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * On that basis I've removed this bit, leaving only reference to the museum in Berthierville.

Selected Article
OK - I reckon this is pretty much there (Apologies for the delay over references!). I've put it on the portal as the 'Selected Article'. Well done to all those who contributed! I've also nominated it for Good Article status, which will probably take a couple of weeks to come through, judging by the backlog on the nominations page. Cheers! 4u1e 08:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

GA passed
I have passed the article as a Good article as I felt it was an excellent read. With some extra work this could easily be made a featured article. Pascal.Tesson 02:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Reversion of changes to Pre-F1
I don't normally so this, but I really feel that the changes made to the 'pre-Formula One' section recently did not benefit this article at all. I have reverted that section only to the version of around 25 August. There were some spelling and grammar errors, but I'm afraid that the worst thing was that the logic of the writing went completely. If anyone wants to go into I can cover it point by point. Always happy to discuss, either here or at my talk page.

I will work back in some of the extra information that had been added though. Cheers. --4u1e 17:58, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Watkins Glen 1979
I don't know which is correct, but I noticed that the page for Gilles states that he was eleven seconds faster than anyone else during wet qualifying at the above race whilst the page for the race states he was nine seconds faster. Knowing Gilles, it was probably a combination of the two! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mighty Antar (talk • contribs) 02:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
 * I've referenced it now, which helps :-) It is given as 11 seconds by Nigel Roebuck. I've not been involved in the 1979 race article, but the quote is worded differently and most likely comes from a different source (Road and Track). The probable answer is that one (or both) of the journalists got the figure slightly wrong in their notes and it's been carried over from there. If anyone has the full stats for that race, we could confirm either way.4u1e 19:41, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Journalist Richard Chartier says that it's 11 sec during the Sunday race, not during practice. http://www.monvolant.ca/article/20070505/MVCOURSE/70505013/1002/CPSPORTS BTW, the journalist has an interesting story, if it is true. Here is what he says about the Watkins Glen 1979 race:

Les essais du vendredi se déroulent au sec. Le lendemain, il pleut, mais on annonce sec pour dimanche, alors tout le monde reste dans les box puisque, de tout façon, les temps de la veille ne peuvent être battus pour la grille de départ. Tout le monde, donc, reste dans les box, samedi, sauf un : Gilles Villeneuve. Il en fait rire plus d’un à rouler d’une manière un peu dérisoire dans la flotte, affichant des temps sans intérêt. Mais surprise, le jour de la course, il pleut. Tandis que les voitures, une à une, partent en aquaplaning et s’écrasent dans le décor, Villeneuve contourne calmement les flaques – il ne les voit pas, il a simplement mémorisé où elles sont – et file sans ambage vers la victoire. Messieurs, échec et mât! Marcus wilby73 (talk • contribs) 14:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC).

 * Can you point out where Chartier says it's 11 seconds during the race? The only relevant bit I could see was the section you've given above, which doesn't give a figure for how much faster Villeneuve was, either in the wet session or in the race. Indeed it doesn't actually say he was faster (although he did win, which is a clue!). For those who can't read it, the interesting story is that Villeneuve (who won the race) 'calmly avoided the puddles - he didn't see them, he had simply memorised where they were - while other cars aquaplaned off the circuit'. 4u1e 06:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty certain it's not 11 seconds during the race. Nelson Piquet had the fastest lap of the race - see here. 4u1e 07:03, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

To recap the sources supporting the current version: Although the details vary in the number of cars and the size of the gap, all accounts agree that the wet session was on Friday and that Villeneuve was fastest by a large margin over Scheckter. I note that Donaldson very probably based his account on Roebuck's and Walker's versions. Roebuck was present on the day, by his account. The others may or may not have been. 4u1e 08:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * "On Friday, the rain was heavy enough all day that only a few cars even took the track, and fewer still made any serious attempt at a lap time. Of the six that did actually record a time, Villeneuve was fastest by over nine seconds! Scheckter, second fastest, thought he was mad, but was also quite in awe of the Canadian's performance in the conditions." Rob Walker (January, 1980). "21st United States Grand Prix: Muddier Matters". Road & Track, 104-107.
 * "...during the first afternoon of practice at Watkins Glen in 1979, when conditions were as bad as I have ever seen at a race circuit. In places the track was flooded, and only eight drivers ventured out. One of those who did was Scheckter, who was second fastest behind team mate Villeneuve. Eleven seconds behind..." Nigel Roebuck, Grand Prix Greats (1986) p.208 (This is the ref used in the article at present.
 * "The patented Villeneuve display began on Friday when the track was soaked and few cars even ventured out of the pits. In fact, most drivers thought the flooded tarmac was simply undriveable." The section goes on to quote Denis Jenkinson, Nigel Roebuck and Jeff Hutchinson - including Roebuck's comment (presumably from the same notes) that Villeneuve was eleven seconds faster, with Scheckter second. It goes on to say "his car was less manageable on dry Michelins and on Saturday Gilles's best efforts produced only third on the grid behind Jones and Piquet". Gerald Donaldson, Gilles Villeneuve (1989, 2003) pp.203-4.
 * By contrast Chartier says that the wet session was on Saturday and that no-one else went out on track. He does not offer an opinion on Villeneuve's speed. 4u1e, 9 May 2007, 09:55
 * This one has always puzzled me. There have been many references over the last 30 years to this but I have never seen any of the timing. Does anyone know if it was a just a single lap - which would point to the possibility of a timing error - or if it was a consistent gap? If it cannot be substantiated in a meaningful way then it probably should be regarded as myth, much as we'd all like to believe it to be true. I have heard that both Scheckter and Lafitte commented at the time but I have no readily available references. I certainly got the impression that they accepted it as a matter of fact.Flanker235 (talk) 10:42, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Mike Lang's Grand Prix! Vol 4 quotes times of 2:01.437 for Villeneuve and 2:11.029 for Scheckter and adds that Villeneuve "[pushed] his Ferrari to its absolute limit of adhesion ... for lap after lap", implying that it was a consistent effort, not just a single lap. DH85868993 (talk) 13:18, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reference. I knew he was out there for longer than the others and Scheckter made the point that he was scared stiff in the conditions while Villeneuve pushed on. I'm not saying or implying that it should be removed either: the story is still promulgated by a lot of people, including many drivers who were there. I would just like to know if a record of the lap times still exists. Given my suspicions of the possibility of a timing error, I still think it would make sense to try to verify it.Flanker235 (talk) 03:13, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Lang gives the full list of times as: Villeneuve: 2:01.437, Scheckter: 2:11.029, Brambilla: 2:24.957, Jones: 2:37.742, Lammers: 3:10.436 and Arnoux: 3:46.012, and also says that Reutemann and Stuck each gave up after a single, untimed lap. I couldn't find the full list of times anywhere on the 'net for confirmation, but presumably the FIA or the U.S. sanctioning body (ACCUS?) would have an official record of the times, if you're that keen to verify them. DH85868993 (talk) 11:23, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. These are the only times I have seen so in the absence of anything contrary, that seems proof enough. Thanks for digging them up. I have not been able to find any other times myself. What I did find out was that the difference was far less the following day when it was dry. No matter. He won anyway.Flanker235 (talk) 08:47, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Cause of death
Le Journal de Montréal reports today that a mechanic failure on the Ferrari car---the accelerator being stocked down at full speed---was the cause of Gilles Villeneuve going so fast at this portion of the race in the deadiest round. Also, the same journal reports that the Ferrari team would have forgotten to put a metal plaque underneath the seat, a plaque needed to solidity the grip of the safety belt. The lack of the plaque weakened the grip of the safety belt which failed to tie Villeneuve to his seat and thus avoid the deadly injuries that he suffered from his falling down the ground after being projected so high and so fast.

Okay, I found the article here: http://www2.canoe.com/sports/nouvelles/archives/2007/05/20070508-094707.html

Here is an excerpt:

Gilles était donc dans sa dernière tentative pour devancer Pironi, tandis que Jochen Mass, avec sa March, roulait au ralenti à l'entrée d'un virage après son dernier tour rapide.

Le Québécois a été éjecté avec son siège, ce qui l'a tué sur le coup (...) Plus tard, on a su qu'on avait oublié de mettre une plaque sous son siège afin de solidifier les attaches des ceintures de sécurité.

Il y a cinq ans, lors du 20e anniversaire, nous avions dévoilé la cause de cet accident : un accélérateur coincé, tout simplement. De son vivant, Gaston Parent n'avait confié cette information qu'à quelques personnes. «À l'époque, j'avais signé des documents de confidentialité avec monsieur Ferrari concernant les véritables causes de l'accident ainsi qu'une renonciation d'engager des poursuites afin d'accepter, au nom des héritiers de Gilles, des avantages financiers, nous avait-il dit. Après 20 ans, il est temps que la vérité soit connue.» Cela n'a rien changé à la triste fin, sauf qu'il n'a pas été victime d'une erreur de pilotage, mais bien d'une défaillance mécanique.

 * Now that's interesting! I'm out of time now, but will come back and have a closer look at this later today. Cheers. 4u1e 08:28, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Couple of quick comments:
 * Looks good to include. Quick translation (don't hammer me on total accuracy, please!): "Five years ago, on the 20th anniversary [of Villeneuve's death], we revealed the cause of the accident: simply a stuck accelerator. In his lifetime, Gaston Parent [Parent was Villeneuve's manager, for want of a better term] only trusted this information to a few people. 'At the time, I signed confidentiality documents with Mr Ferrari concerning the true causes of the accident, as well as an agreement not to pursue [legal action] in order to obtain financial benefits for Gilles' inheritors. After 20 years, it is time that the truth be known.' This does not change the sad outcome, except that he was not a victim of driver error, but of a mechanical failure."
 * One quibble with the account of the crash in that article - it's a bit inconsistent about the seat, stating in one place (correctly according to other sources) that Villeneuve was still strapped to the seat when he was thrown out of the car. Elsewhere it seems to suggest that there was a problem with the straps holding Villeneuve into his seat.
 * Not to be Francophobe, but it would be best if we can find an original source for this story in English somewhere, in the interests of making it as accessible as possible on the English language wiki. If we can't, then obviously we'd use the French language one. 4u1e, 9 May 2007, 10:40

 * The article states that Villeneuve lost his helmet before he was thrown from the wreck. I have often wondered about this. The preferred helmet of the day was a GPA, which used a unique clamshell method of fastening from underneath, so there was no chin strap at all. Villeneuve definitely used one. I have never read anything in the way of a coroner's report on this so I have no idea why it happened. What did happen was that GPA helmets seemed to disappear while other brands like Bell and Arai became more popular. GPA, as a motorsport helmet manufacturer, apparently went out of business in the 1980s. Does anyone know if there is a connection between the two events?Flanker235 (talk) 03:14, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

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Dead links
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 * Deleted 1, fixed 2 others. Thanks for pointing it out. DH85868993 (talk) 11:47, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Why the external link referred to http:/www.ventisetterosso.com is continuously erased from the "link section" of the article? Please, explain me the reason, thanks.
 * I've explained several times before, but let's go through it again. Your site is a self-published tribute site (in other words it is not a recognised authority on the topic). That is not to say that it's not a good site, but as you can imagine, we need to have rules about which sites can be linked, otherwise a page such as this would fill up with all sorts of spam. Those rules are set out on this page: External Links, and specifically at item 11 here. It specifically says that we are to avoid "Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority (this exception is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for biographies)." Your page falls within that category and is not suitable. I hope this makes it clear. I have removed the link again.
 * Can I recommend that you register for an account if you are going to spend much time on Wikipedia? It's difficult to talk to you because you're on a dynamic IP account, so you won't always see messages left for you. Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 15:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

 * OK, I understood. This means that the most referred and complete link about Gilles Villeneuve, without spam, without sponsor, without banner, without subscription and without any commercial purpose is ignored. If this for you is the meaning of "Free(?!) Encyclopedia"...
 * Because it's not created by a noted expert on the topic? Yes, I'm afraid so. 4u1e (talk) 13:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Many thanks and good luck to all your experts...
 * I'm sorry you take it personally. Please don't - no websites similar to yours are allowed as external links anywhere on Wikipedia. 4u1e (talk) 20:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Introverted
Flying, snowmobiling or driving, he was a risk-taker of classic proportions. Yet his fellow drivers said that on the track he was scrupulously fair and did not put anyone's safety other than his own in jeopardy and those who worked with him usually referred to him as introverted. This combination of traits made him exceptionally popular not only with fans but with teammates and opponents as well.

I think that I might be able to reference this with Gilles Villeneuve: A Photographic Portrait, but it would have to wait until my term ends in March.-- Diniz  (talk)  09:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Shall we leave it out for now, and put it in in March when you've got access to the book? I'll mostly be working with Donaldson's biography - there might be something in there, but I don't remember it if so. Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 10:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, identical wording appears at ddavid's site, so I'm not sure whether we've had a copyvio here for the last few years! 4u1e (talk) 18:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Number 27
The association with number 27 is a bit of a myth really - he only used it in 1981 and 1982! He used 12 for longer than he used 27. Readro (talk) 14:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * True and I've edited to suit. However, although he only used it briefly, there does seem to be a strong association with it (I imagine it's why Jacques has used it so frequently, for example). This is sort of why the word 'iconic' is appropriate around Gilles - myths and legends have grown up around him, some supported by the facts, others not. 4u1e (talk) 18:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. I assume it's because he was using 27 when he died that it has become attached to him. Readro (talk) 18:53, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Richelieu
Where was he born? Richelieu or St-Jean-sur-Richelieu? These are totally different places. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.144.126.111 (talk) 11:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

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Helmet colours
The article currently contains the following statement: "Villeneuve's helmet carried a stylised 'V' in red on either side — an effect he devised with his wife Joann. The base colour was black.", quoting page 95 of Gerald Donaldson's book Gilles Villeneuve as a reference. However this 2020 Motor Sport interview with Jacques Villeneuve identifies the colours as orange and blue, and even goes into detail: "Again, there was no explanation about the design, but it was very precise. The blue needed to be very deep, almost black. The orange had to be very deep too, but not red. He surely had an idea, but it didn’t represent anything in particular." It certainly looks "orange and blue" in the photo accompanying that interview (compare the helmet colour to the Ferrari's red bodywork). Thoughts? DH85868993 (talk) 00:20, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The article has now been updated (not by me) to say "orange" and "blue" rather than "red" and "black". DH85868993 (talk) 04:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

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I don't think the "Criticism of Daniel Ricciardo" section belongs in the biography. It really is not notable to the subject of the article and, as noted by another editor, appears to be more a case of WP:Recentism. I recommend removing it. Bahooka (talk) 14:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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Five year finishing streaks
Rodger Ward's performance from 1959 to 1964 generated the two best five-year streaks in "500" history.
 * http://indy500.tjs-labs.com/list-streak.php?streak=5&sort=A

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Clarification
At the time of his retirement, was the only driver to be in the top 10 of all Indianapolis 500 statistics. Could somebody clarify what this statement means? Thanks Bk5545 —Preceding undated comment added at 02:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
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Mark Webber → Mark Webber (racing driver) – no clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC Joeykai (talk) 00:58, 10 September 2021 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support and make DAB at base name.--Ortizesp (talk) 04:09, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Support (on the condition that Mark Webber (disambiguation) moves to Mark Webber or the Mark Webber redirects to Mark Webber (disambiguation); because if that doesn't happen, then this move makes no difference to the situation) per WP:10YEARTEST, Mark Webber (actor) is still likely to be atracting sufficently many views that there still won't be a primary topic. SSSB (talk) 11:18, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Support and move Mark Webber (actor) to Mark Webber. Pageviews show that the actor page gets |Mark_Webber_(actor)|Mark_Webber_(guitarist) more views than the driver article, even with the disadvantage of the basename pointing to the driver page. When we make the switch, the actor will be even more clearly the primarytopic. Either way, the basename should not remain a redirect to the driver page after whichever move is made. Dohn joe (talk) 15:24, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Support and move Mark Webber (disambiguation) here, although the actor does get more views (27,756) than the racing driver (24,793) its close and PT swaps can be problematic.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 07:02, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Support moving this article to Mark Webber (racing driver) and Mark Webber (disambiguation) to Mark Webber. There clearly isn't a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The racing driver appears to attract slightly more pageviews than the actor from what I'm seeing, but there's very little in it between them. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 19:47, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

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Article appears to be way out if date, referring to him "currently" working for Lotus (since 2009!), driving in the Audi RMS thing etc for only slightly fewer years etc. I am pretty sure he has no involvement with racing at all now, except in a media/pundit capacity. Let's face it, he wasn't any good. - Sitush (talk) 12:48, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

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Misinformation about the Lausitzring accident
Did anyone fact-check the line that Zanardi "suffered severely broken bones in both legs. Doctors felt that surgery would not save both legs in time and that Zanardi needed amputation" when they removed the previous report that he'd suffered a traumatic amputation of both legs? There are numerous corroborating sources (text and video documentary) that medical staff were dealing with the profuse blood loss of Zanardi's stumps. On top of that, there is one particularly gruesome still photo available showing pieces of Zanardi's legs in the air when Tagliani collided with him. The amputation that the doctors performed was to tidy up the trauma of the primary amputation caused immediately by the crash. I'm curious what the motivation was behind replacing fact-checked information from multiple sources reporting a consistent course of events with a differing story. Dazman83 (talk) 20:47, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

September 11th reference
I don't really like the sentence "Ironically, the race was the only sporting event to take place after the 9/11 Terrorist Attacks on America, dispite pressure to have it postponed."

Can we changed this sentence? I don't find it especially ironic that an Italian was injured in Germany following attacks on American soil. The sentence also uses Lots Of Capital Letters for No Particular Reason. Instead, can we just put the exact date of the crash in there? (I'm not sure what it was.) If you feel the September 11th date comparison is useful, it could be put in as "days after" or something. In short, I don't find the idea of comparing dates invalid, I just don't think it was done in the best way possible.

This is just my opinion, and I'm definitely willing to discuss it, which is why I posted to the talk page rather than just doing it. :) --Steven Fisher 03:03, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The new version (not written by me) seems more balanced. --MartinUK 19:16, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

 * The new version is completely untrue. The race was not the first major sporting even after the 9/11 attacks, there were Champions League football matches (for instance) held after the attacks and played in incredibly subdued atmospheres. Blankfrackis (talk) 12:12, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Then maybe it should be rephrased to read "first major American sporting event", which IIRC it was.87.143.156.165 (talk) 04:45, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Stuff
I've heard Alex has more CART podia than anybody; can somebody confirm & include? Trekphiler 05:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe more in a season or in succession than anyone else, but I doubt he took more in 3 competitive seasons than guys like Michael Andretti or Bobby Rahal did in a decade. --MartinUK 19:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Recent New York Times article on his F1 test drive - http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-CAR-F1-Zanardi-Return.html

 * My bad. It's in 1 season.... Trekphiler 04:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Place of birth
Zanardi was born in Bologna, Official Site --79.25.4.188 (talk) 08:55, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing on that page says that. 4u1e (talk) 22:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've ref'd it from his autobiography. 4u1e (talk) 14:21, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

TV career
Last year he was a TV conductor, see following video and articles (in Italian):

 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOSdG6fgu-M
 * http://www.rai.it/dl/portali/site/articolo/ContentItem-7ee0b22d-fa82-4e56-9621-c6b818ff8600.html
 * http://www.sorrisi.com/2010/10/29/alex-zanardi-presenta-e-se-domani-su-raitre-da-domani-sera/

--Legolas558 (talk) 10:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

And also mentioned in the Italian wikipedia: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_se_domani_%28programma_televisivo%29

--Legolas558 (talk) 10:26, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

handbiking
This article is missing a section for his handbiking career stats, as it already contains his motorsports career stats. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 05:59, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Some photos of it would be good as well. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 06:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Paragraph
the following paragraph, does not seem or sound objective "Zanardi was not only back behind the wheel, he was also racing again, with the aid of hand-operated brake and accelerator controls. He completed the final thirteen laps at the race track which had nearly killed him in 2001, and did so at highly competitive speeds approaching 310 km/h (193 mph). In fact, had he been qualifying for the race that weekend, he would have been fifth. It persuaded him that a race return was something to pursue" A less "fan[s]natic" view may help the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.221.23.190 (talk) 23:47, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

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Why does this article list Alex Zanardi as having died in Heppenheim? I'm pretty sure he's still alive and racing...185.192.69.118 (talk) 19:41, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * It was vandalism. It's been fixed. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 20:59, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

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Does anybody know if he's related to Tiago Montiero (whose mother is Brazillian) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MartinUK (talk • contribs) 14 October 2006

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List of female mystics

This is a list of female mystics.

Bahá'í faith

 * Táhirih
 * Bahíyyih Khánum
 * Ásíyih Khánum

Buddhism

 * Alexandra David-Néel author of books on Tibetan Mysticism
 * Yeshe Tsogyal 8th century CE Tibetan mystic, consort of Padmasambhava
 * Khema
 * Yaśodharā
 * Patacara
 * Uppalavanna

Christianity

 * Adrienne von Speyr
 * Alexandrina of Balazar
 * Anna Kingsford
 * Anna Maria Taigi
 * Anna Schäffer
 * Anne Catherine Emmerich (blessed)
 * Bárbara de Santo Domingo
 * Beatrice of Nazareth Flemish nun
 * Benvenuta Bojani
 * Bernadette Soubirous
 * Bridget of Sweden Swedish Saint
 * Catherine of Genoa
 * Catherine of Racconigi
 * Catherine of Siena Italian saint
 * Catalina de Jesús Herrera
 * Cecilia del Nacimiento
 * Christina Ebner
 * Christina of Markyate
 * Claire Ferchaud
 * Consolata Betrone Italian nun
 * Cora Evans
 * Edith Stein German Saint
 * Faustina Kowalska
 * Flower A. Newhouse
 * Gemma Galgani
 * Gertrude the Great - Saint
 * Heilwige Bloemardinne
 * Hildegard of Bingen German saint
 * Itala Mela Italian Venerable
 * Jeanne Guyon
 * Joan of Arc French saint
 * Julian of Norwich
 * Juliana of Liège
 * Karmni Grima
 * Lilian Staveley
 * Louise Lateau
 * Lucy Brocadelli
 * Luisa Piccarreta
 * Lydwine of Schiedam
 * Maria Maddalena de' Pazzi
 * Margaret of Ypres
 * Margareta Ebner
 * Margery Kempe
 * Marguerite Bays Swiss (blessed)
 * Marguerite d'Oingt
 * Marguerite Porete
 * Maria Angela Astorch
 * Maria Bolognesi Italian (blessed)
 * Maria Domitilla Galluzzi
 * Maria Esperanza de Bianchini
 * Maria Franciszka Kozłowska
 * Maria Grazia Tarallo
 * Maria Petyt
 * Marie Julie Jahenny
 * Marie Rose Ferron
 * Marthe Robin
 * Mechthild of Magdeburg
 * Mother Shipton
 * Natuzza Evolo
 * Rosa Egipcíaca
 * Simone Weil
 * Sister Lúcia
 * Teresa de Cartagena
 * Teresa Luisa Gardi
 * Teresa of Avila Spanish saint
 * Teresa Urrea
 * Thérèse of Lisieux
 * Ursula Benincasa
 * Ursula de Jesus
 * Úrsula Micaela Morata

Vedic and classical

 * Ghosha
 * Gargi Vachaknavi
 * Maitreyi
 * Lopamudra

Medieval

 * Akka Mahadevi
 * Sant Andal (Nachiar or Goda-devi)
 * Sant Avvaiyar
 * Isaignaniyar
 * Sant Bahinabai
 * Sant Janabai
 * Sant Kanhopatra
 * Lalleshvari
 * Sant Mirabai
 * Gangasati
 * Sant Molla
 * Sant Muktabai
 * Sant Nirmala
 * Sant Rupa Bhawani, saint-poet
 * Sant Sahajo Bai, 1725-1805
 * Sant Sakhubai

Modern

 * Amma Sri Karunamayi
 * Anandamayi Ma
 * Mata Amritanandamayi
 * Ma Devi Jnanabhanishta
 * The Mother
 * Mother Meera
 * Sarada Devi
 * Gurumayi Chidvilasananda
 * Daya Mata
 * Sister Nivedita

Islam

 * Dada Masiti
 * Rabi'a al-Adawiyya
 * Hazrat Babajan

Judaism

 * Hannah Rachel Verbermacher

Jainism

 * Sister Champa

Sikhism

 * Bebe Nanaki

Taoism

 * Sun Bu'er

Western mysticism and syncretism

 * Helena Blavatsky
 * Annie Besant
 * Alice Bailey
 * Mabel Collins
 * Helena Roerich
 * Florence Scovel Shinn

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