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Talk:Fred Agabashian

nov 30 2006
Not sure what the problem is.... presumably your secret source of info. clearly, if, as his 1952 run is universally described, "It led for most of the way, but broke down after the engine ingested debris" in 1952, the table probably shouldn't say that he led 0 laps. Given that, in addition to the oddity that your "laps" column bears a suspicious resemblance to the points column in the Formula 1 results table you deleted as POV(??), the odds are that either you or your secret source goofed and the column is GP points, except that he got 1.5 points for finishing fourth, not 1 point. Similarly, given that the 1952 engine was notable as the first incidence of a turbocharger at Indy, it's less precise to call it a supercharger failure instead of a turbocharger failure. Also, could use an explanation of what the rank column in your table means.

Not sure why you want to delete the three sentence summary of his Indy career, along with the two references; did you intend to revert back to your last version prior to my meddling where you had deleted all reference to Indy from the intro as well ("Fred Agabashian (born 21 August 1913 in Modesto, California, United States, died 13 October 1989) was a midget car driver.") and deleted the reference section entirely? Gzuckier 15:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Indy ain't F1
Freddie Agabashian was no more an F1 driver than I am. Indy's participation in the F1 is a footnote to the history of both series, not a significant part of either. Don't include F1 points in the Indy results column! For more information take a look at the discussion here.

The column you've co-opted is the "laps led" column, not the F1 points column. --Mycroft.Holmes 15:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

 * On, I absolutely agree he's not a F1 driver, but he is an indy driver. I'm starting to lean towards the "laps led" theory after all, since I can't find anything that disagrees anywhere. Although I don't know he can dominate the race leading 1 lap, but that's not my problem.... Gzuckier 16:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Here are some references to Agabashian's career.

 * http://www.indy500.com/stats/drivers.php?drivername=Fred%20Agabashian

 * http://indy500.tjs-labs.com/list-driver?name=FRED+AGABASHIAN

 * The Indy 500 was a Formula One World Championship event from 1950-1960. As such, he technically participated in Formula One, even if only for this one event. Twirlypen (talk) 06:07, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * More precisely, the Indy 500 was a round of the World Drivers' Championship from 1950-1960 (the championship wasn't officially called the "Formula One World Championship" until 1981). It's labelled as "Formula One (World) Championship" in the section heading and infobox for consistency across articles and per WP:COMMONNAME (i.e. it's "the championship which is now known as the Formula One World Championship"), even though that wasn't the name when Agabashian participated. DH85868993 (talk) 06:27, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

High compression
In '48, Agabashian qual'd a Cummins-powered roadster that broke on Lap 71. Colin Chapman 17:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Removed Asian-American category
Iranians and Armenians are an Indo-European and Aryan people. They are not Asian.--CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 00:16, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Michele Alboreto

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Modified the image text beneath the Tyrrell, because that is clearly a ground effect car, judging by the size of the sidepods, which means that it cannot be the car he drove in 1983. Most likely it is the car that he used in 1982 to win at Las Vegas. 86.105.254.20 (talk) 19:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Removed the following 'records' - they're ludicrous! Damiancorrigan 14:33, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Most 5th Fastest Laps (14) – set at 1988 Germany
 * Most 5th Fastest Laps (15) – set at 1988 Portugal
 * Most Consecutive 7th Place Finishes (4) – set at 1992 Germany
 * Most 7th Place Finishes in a Season (5) – set at 1992 Hungary
 * Most 7th Place Finishes in a Season (6) – set at 1992 Italy
 * Most 25th Place Qualifications (12) – set at 1993 Portugal

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Talk:Jean Alesi

Complete Formula One results
The results table is obviously wrong.
 * Please correct it, I have filled it to the best of my knowledge.Hektor 15:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Decision to go to Ferrari.
I want to make a few changes to the article and thought I'd offer my views here for comment before doing so.

It's become common for people to talk about Alesi making a "mistake" and "letting his heart rule his head" when he signed for Ferrari, but I think this is revisionist, unfair, and incorrect. No one knew at the time that in 1991 Ferrari would experience a downturn and Williams a resurgence. A few facts about how things looked in 1990: -Ferrari almost won both the driver's and constructor's championship in 1990. -Williams was 4th in the constructor's championship, and their highest-placed driver was 6th in the driver's championship. -Ferrari won 6 races in 1990, Williams won 2. -In the 3rd-to-last race of 1990, Ferrari scored a 1-2 win, showing they were still in winning form late in the season. -His teammate at Ferrari was a 3-time World Champion who had won more races than anyone in the sport. There wasn't that kind of experience and learning opportunity at Williams. -In the first race of 1991, Alesi was quickest in the first qualifying session, and his teammate's Ferrari finished 2nd in the race. They were still in competitive form, whereas Williams didn't start winning until the 6th race of the season.

I think just about everyone thought at the time that the decision to go with Ferrari was the one that most logically seemed to maximize his chances for the championship. That this didn't turn out to be so was just another case of bad luck for Alesi, not a "mistake" he had made because of some kind of emotional immaturity. Further, I think some of these comments in the article are too subjective and POV for a Wikipedia article.

I'll make some changes soon if no one objects.

--Ok, made some changes, finally.

Schumacher poaching Benetton's technical team
I've removed the comment to the effect that "Benetton were about to go into a slump as Schumacher took the core of their technical team with him". Although it is true that Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne went to Ferrari with Michael, they moved for the start of the 1997 season. They were both at Benetton throughout 1996, Byrne designed the B196 and Brawn was running the race team, so it cannot be true, as implied, that their departure led to Benetton's drop off in form in 1996. The 1996 and 1997 Ferraris were designed by John Barnard - Brawn and Byrne picked up another team's design when they arrived at Ferrari in 1997. Happy to discuss. Cheers. 4u1e 02:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

IZOD Indycar Series
I updated this section to reflect the fact that Newman Haas Racing is not defunct, but rather now competing in ALMS. I also updated the series name to correctly reflect IZOD Indycar Series instead of IRL. Kevneely (talk) 15:32, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Translation from Italian article
I've had a go at expanding the article with translated text from the Italian article as suggested. Some of the references probably need tidying up though.Tws45 (talk) 21:09, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

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Essay like
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Talk:Philippe Alliot

Picture issue
Okay gents, let's take a sensible pill here. The image request thingy adds an WIP feel to the article and is highly unlikely to turn up anything, possibly also a self-ref. A MS Paint drawing of a 'helmet' is not the answer either. Suggested compromise - we add a request for an image to the talk page. AlexJ 20:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Agreed. If somebody puts up that "please give us a free image" picture, I'm going to satisfy it with a free image made in MS Paint in response, because I don't like that "free image" picture. This is a sore point for me. Guroadrunner 13:18, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Here's a version of his helmet
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Talk:Cliff Allison

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2023
The results of the 2023 Bahrain F1 race hasn't been updated with Alonso's 39th podium. Strangerguitar (talk) 17:28, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Please mention the specific changes that you want to me made in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 17:39, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2023
Add the fact that Fernando Alonso is, to date, the only man to have won both WDC (World Driver's Championship)[Formula 1] and WEC (World Endurance Championship) Snowman157 (talk) 01:18, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
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podium count
change nvm 78.84.232.56 (talk) 18:54, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

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Split racing record to own article
I saw the Juan Pablo Montoya article and noticed that his "racing record" section is separated into its own article. So, is anyone interested in separating the "racing record" section in this article into "Career results of Fernando Alonso"? F1fans (talk) 01:30, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Why? I'm not sure such a split would be appropriate or in the readers best interest. Yes, this article is very large, and yes, it could do with a split, but moving all his results to a separate page doesn't seem the best way to go about it. Surely a better split would be Formula One career of Fernando Alonso - then we can also move the race-by-race results for Alonso's F1 career there and only have the broad season summary here. Because the big problem with Montoya's articles at the moment is that tables of results are best viewed with the context of prose about those results, and the prose is best viewed the context of the results (in my opinion). So I don't think the way Montoya's articles is split is a good way to go about it. SSSB (talk) 10:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * erm no no noe of that 2A00:23C8:5717:FC01:822:281C:4AA3:C92F (talk) 11:32, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2024
In his 'Personal life' section, change: He is 174 cm (5'9") tall

to: He is 171 cm (5'6") tall

The current information shows an incorrect conversion of cm to feet/inches, and the height in cm shown is *only* shown in the cited source and nowhere else. Therefore, also change the source to any of the links below:

- https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-driver-heights-who-are-shortest-tallest-drivers/10581491/ - https://www.planetf1.com/news/f1-drivers-height-weight - https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/85893/f1-drivers-height/ - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1898955/ - https://www.eurosport.com/formula-1/fernando-alonso_prs11697/person.shtml - https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/aston-martin-driver-fernando-alonsos-life-outside-of-f1-from-net-worth-to-cars-2/ - https://racingnews365.com/height-weight-f1-drivers Aossa (talk) 20:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

✅ Also, used the WP "convert" template to ensure unit conversion was correct. PianoDan (talk) 22:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Chris Amon

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Input please: if the person is still alive, isn't it more proper to say "is a former F1 driver" instead of "was a F1 driver?" JCCyC 00:06, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

(UnclearWinter 13:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC))
 * Is it really necessary to call him "one of the greatest" never to win a World Championship GP? Surely there's no argument about it? The only other driver to come close was Stefan Bellof, and, well, he was Stefan Bellof.

 * Jean Behra -- this fellow managed to go to the final race of a championship with mathematical chances to be champion. He was one of the big names of the 50's. I think "one of the greatest" is appropriate for Mr. Amon. JCCyC 19:53, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

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BLP status change
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Family
Is the father Ngaio Henry Amon, born 1915?Royalcourtier (talk) 18:37, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

One of the poorest quality articles on wikipedia
I consider this article one of the worst on wikipedia. Its unbalanced, dosen't include many of the most basic facts about Amon's career; the judgements of the editor/editors in completly wrong. I happen to know quite a lot about it as I wrote a book draft on Amon in the mid 1980s which Collins in the UK was prepared to publish but failed to find a NZ co publisher. I have not done any work on Amon on wiki during his life for rather obvious reasons, but the article is very poor in my view. Many of the great motor racing writers have written on Amon and opinion is tremendous divided. But there are some facts Amon was more of tester and unqualified engineer than a racing driver let alone a grand prix driving. In those days motor racing was about the duel and passing and Amon couldn't. Also in terms of results he achieved very little and his high practice results rarely resulted in much performance in the race. In terms of luck, it is unlikely he would have achieved more 1/2 win with the Ferrari F1 team in 68/9 because driven at winning pace the 312 would not have lasted to the end in Canada and Spain in 68/9 almost certainly. Belgium in 68 is the only likely victory and possibly the US 1970.

 * Whose opinion would the average punter consider carried more weight: someone who can’t even be arsed to sign their contribution to a Wikipedia talk page, or Mauro Forghieri? Tricky one, that… Mr Larrington (talk) 17:32, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

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Nationality?
English, or British? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.114.177 (talk) 19:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:F1 convention is to list racers from England as "British", which is their nationality as recognised by the FIA. DH85868993 (talk) 16:12, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Is the TT convention different then? - He is mentioned as English there.... 78.146.114.177 (talk) 19:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what nationality the TT organisers recognised, but it appears to be WP:Motorcycle racing convention to list English riders as English in the TT infobox (see Geoff Duke and Mike Hailwood as other examples). I recognise that it's less than ideal showing two different "nationalities" for the same person in the two infoboxes. DH85868993 (talk) 01:40, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Mario Andretti

Move discussion in progress
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Italian-American?
Most articles describe him as Italian-American rather than simply American, including the F1 world champion quiz. --2A01:36D:1201:606:34CF:4034:684E:2E6 (talk) 10:55, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Well, he was born in Italy to Italian parents and had exclusively Italian nationality for the first few years of his life, before his family immigrated to the USA and he obtained US citizenship. By many definitions this certainly qualifies him as Italian-American. However, the form of words used in the lead to this article emphasizes that he is an Italian-born person who is now an American citizen, and not an American-born person of Italian heritage, which is the more common implication of the term "Italian-American". To my mind, simply calling him "Italian-American", while technically correct, actually obscures his true history. Pyrop  e  14:13, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Andretti Hairpin
I don't know when it was done, but it should be mentioned that the front hairpin at WeatherTech Raceway Laguna Seca is named in his honor. Wolf O'Donnel (talk) 08:18, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

 * agreed, but I couldn't find a source... SSSB (talk) 11:19, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Replace / upgrade infobox to 'Infobox racing driver', instead of current (F1 driver box)...
... similar to implementation in J.P. Montoya article, so as to provide a more accurate overview of Andretti's extensive career - especially in Indycar, and other U.S. autoracing series ? --GeeTeeBee (talk) 19:51, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

 * @GeeTeeBee IndyCar and NASCAR infoboxes have been added. RegalZ8790 (talk) 00:08, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Michael Andretti

Rewrite
This article needs a rewrite. It simply does not cover enough of his time in IndyCar/ChampCar. There is too much discussion about his ill fated season in F1, and not enough discussion about the rest of his career. I don't understand why Wikipedia highlights a driver's Formula 1 career so much when they were best known for being in another form of racing. It makes sense for drivers like Michael Schumacher or Aryton Senna, but not Andretti. What if Dale Earnhardt drove a season in F1, would that write out all of his NASCAR accomplishments? He has had a great IndyCar and ChampCar career, and there needs to be more emphasis on that. Tkd73

 * There is a large number of people working on F1 articles, and unfortunately not many on CART/Indycar. CART has lost favor, and NASCAR seems to have taken over the void. We occasionally have problems with too much F1 in WikiProject NASCAR drivers too (but there have been very few crossovers - "Marshall Teague"). When I think of Andretti I only thing about his CART career, and his F1 career is an afterthought. Royalbroil 03:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * F1 is considered...and considers itself...the absolute pinnacle of all racing, period. While it would not cancel out a driver's NASCAR perfomances, international motor racing would care vastly more about Earnhardt's theorized single season (or single race) in F1 than all his NASCAR performances combined...and on that vein, most F1 fans consider Montoya's move to NASCAR from F1 idiotic, or worse, throwing in the towel against the absolute best, or worse. Not my opinion, just reporting F1's. --Chr.K. 03:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * In other news, we're the ones who have to get cracking at putting up, and putting in, drivers' American open-wheel racing series statistics. --Chr.K. 03:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Now doing so, volunteers for the prose on his American Open Wheel career are invited. --Chr.K. (talk) 18:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

It's also fair to note that his short career in F1 was high profile within the F1 world and amongst its fans for a couple of reasons, firstly his surname and also that the series he came from gained a vastly increased profile amongst the F1 fans due to Nigel Mansell's transfer in th eopposite direction - much was made at the time of the contrast between Andretti's failure and Mansell's success respectively. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.113.170.97 (talk) 15:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

The series he owns a team in is no longer Indy Racing League, it is Indycar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.54.174.98 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Roman Catholic
He is a famous Roman Catholic, but I don't know where to put it in the article. Royalbroil 13:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Gee, don't you think there's lots of Roman Catholics in high places? Does it really matter what his religion is? You dont know where to put it in the article? Just leave it out. 74.166.156.250 (talk) 01:03, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

High school
I am trying to update high school affiliations for Lehigh Valley people. Does anyone know where he went to high school? PAWiki 18:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
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Results tables
I recommend combining the two "Champcar" tables into a single table (labelled "CART" - I think the series was called "CART" the whole time Andretti competed in it). I don't think it matters that he did a year of F1 in the middle. DH85868993 (talk) 06:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Celebrity Apprentice
There should be a paragraph regarding Michael Andretti's participation in the 2012 season of Celebrity Apprentice. Let me add, when they had the boardroom deliberations on who should be fired, the accusation was that Michael did not contribute enough to the project, which was a presentation to Buick executives, and other studio guests, of a new Buick vehicle, the Verano. The other celebrities said Michael did not make clever use of his status as a famous racecar driver, to promote the vehicle. "I'm not a salesman" was Michael Andretti's defense of himself. However neither Trump nor the contestants articulated a key point which was obvious to me, but apparently not obvious to them. Michael Andretti sat in the driver's seat for the mens team's test-drive of the Buick Verano. Michael Andretti has the professional understanding of why a car performs the way it does;    So it begs the question:  did Michael Andretti learn something about the Buick Verano during that test drive? And the most important point, which nobody addressed during that episode, was why didnt Michael Andretti transfer what he learned from that test drive into a communicable piece of information during the final presentation? Marc Smilen, Dania Florida, writing as 206.192.35.125 (talk) 21:27, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Why is the participation on a TV game show that has nothing to do with the subjects core notability even worth mentioning? --Falcadore (talk) 14:45, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Because he was one of the stars of a major network TV series and a Google News Search for "andretti apprentice" comes up with 194 results. Seriously, there's no argument for omitting it from the article completely. I have added a paragraph about his participation (which is already practically the only content in the article referenced to reliable sources). Theoldsparkle (talk) 18:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * So a well sourced appearance in a TV game show is more important to the article than the article subjects reason for being a "celebrity" in the first instance? Is cataloging TV show appearances really that important to Wikipedia? --Falcadore (talk) 21:25, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 194 isn't a lot of hits. If this deserves a mention at all, and I'm not sure it does, it should be a brief mention. We really don't need to give it undue weight by banging on about what he should or shouldn't have done on this pointless show. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:28, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Indded, to take a previous example, is it importnant now some ten years later to write extensively about Andretti's appearances on Home Improvement? While it was a very popular sitcom for its time, it is not necessary to mention beyond the briefest of single sentence mentions as it does not describe any form of Andrettis primary notability. If you had the describe Andretti now would you describe him as a racing driver and guest actor on sitcoms, or just racing driver? Game show appearances is similar. Celebrity Apprentice does not really need to be described on this article anything other than he appeared on this show. To suggest any significance beyond that is WP:RECENTISM. --Falcadore (talk) 03:07, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

 * It's unclear to me what the objection is. Are you objecting to the information about Celebrity Apprentice currently in the article, which is one 1k paragraph in a 55k article? (And, as I pointed out before, that one paragraph currently provides 1/5 of the references cited throughout the whole article? And I could easily provide a dozen more sources for that one paragraph, because it received widespread media coverage, because a starring role on a major network TV series is notable, regardless of whether you personally have any interest in it.) If, on the other hand, you're objecting to some imaginary version that suggests the TV role is "more important" than his work as a racing driver, I would agree that that imaginary version sounds pretty stupid and shouldn't be implemented. Please clarify what, if any, change from the current version you are advocating. Theoldsparkle (talk) 15:20, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Falcadore:  You completely miss the point. Yes, Andretti has either done many appearances, or had the celebrity credential to do many appearances. But the appearance on Celebrity Apprentice had DIRECT RELEVANCE. Andretti is a RACE CAR driver, and he was fired from Apprentice for his performance on a project which was to promote a BUICK VEHICLE!!!! .....Theoldsparkle: I edited your paragraph again. It is completely incorrect for you to say Andretti's firing from Celebrity Apprentice was due to "reluctance to lead his team." Theo: It was NOT Andretti's job to lead the team. It was Adam Carolla's job to lead the team. Adam Carolla was the mens' team project manager on the Buick Verano presentation. ...And you really should add at least one sentence stating that Andretti was in the driver's seat for the test-drive. Marc Smilen, Dania Florida AKA 206.192.35.125 (talk) 19:46, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Being a racing driver does not give you any insight whatsoever in selling cars. Your analogy is such that you believe the 15-year-old girl running the counter at a 7-Eleven should be able to explain how the milk she sells is produced. There is no connection between racing open-wheelers and selling Buick sedans. I don't think Andretti has even raced a Buick or even a Buick powered open-wheeler. You are assuming "direct" relevance based on an incomplete understanding the subject material. I did not miss your point. Your point just has no foundation in reality. --Falcadore (talk) 22:27, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm with Falcadore on this one. It's a huge leap from driving a racing car to knowing how to promote or sell a road car. Different world. Plus I don't see any sources backing up 206.192's implication that Andretti was somehow deficient because he didn't seem able to deduce some gem of information from driving the Buick and be able to translate that into promoting the car. Maybe the Buick was a shitbox and he had nothing good to say about it. Who knows, and who cares. These minutiae of his appearance on the show are way above what is required for his article. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:37, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And even if it was, it is not Wikipedia's role to analyse or criticise people's performance. An encyclopeida records what IS and does so without providing opinions. I refer you to WP:NPOV. --Falcadore (talk) 22:56, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Andretti understands braking. He understands skidding. He understands how to steer in a skid. He understands vehicle response to acceleration. Andretti understands wheel-base, and suspension, and how a car takes turns. So don't tell me there's no relevance. There are inherent principles in a road vehicle that Michael Andretti understands more than the average driver on the city road. Legal Highway speeds are up to 75, which means some jerks are going to try to do 85 on the highway. Skills like Andretti's are more important on todays highways than they were twenty years ago. Todays four cylinder engine completely blows away any four cylinder engine from twenty five years ago. Theoldsparkle, where are you???? Whats your response? MArc Smilen, Dania Florida 74.166.156.250 (talk) 02:36, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Even if he thought the Buick Verano was a shitbox, thats irrelevant. His job was to help his team leader sell the Buick. The consensus of a whole boardroom of Celebrity Apprentices, Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, and Ivanka Trump, was that racecar driver Michael Andretti has clout to sell a vehicle, and should have given some sales points to the Buick executives. Marc Smilen, Dania Florida 74.166.156.250 (talk) 02:47, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

An analogy much better than your 7-11 Analogy, which makes no sense, would be a camera. Like a racecar is an expensive souped-up vehicle for professional exhibitions, there are professional cameras which cost upwards of two to three thousand dollars. There are people who make their living as photographers. The average consumer camera, just like the average consumer vehicle, has a range from very cheap to very expensive. If you own a camera company, you want to promote your product. You might hire professional photographers to test your new camera. You might hire them to endorse and promote your new camera. You might argue that the consumer camera is not the same as a professional camera. But there's inherent principles in all cameras that are the same: Aperature; focus; shutter speed; landscape mode; portrait mode; fast-frame mode....  the average photographer can choose to be lazy or disinterested, and continue to be a lousy photographer. And the average road driver can continue to be a lousy, unskilled, unknowledgeable driver. ....milk at 7-11 was a weak example. ...people dont buy tickets to watch professional milk drinkers. ...and the retailing specifically of milk does not involve big promotional effort. ...and a cashier is not considered a sales function. A Car dealership has cashiers; What does a cashier have to do with sales and promotion? Marc Smilen, Dania Florida 206.192.35.125 (talk) 12:45, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It made sufficient sense that you are able to understand the point I was trying to make and substitute a superior example.
 * And (getting back on track) what exactly is wrong with "Andretti appeared in the 2012 season of Celebrity Apprentice]]." That's all it needs. The reason Andretti is a celebrity is because he's racing driver and racing team owner. He isn't a Celebrity because he makes appearances on Celebrity TV shows. It is not part of his core notability, so per WP:UNDUE a short mention is more appropriate for this article. Andretti's performance on the show is not particularly important to understanding Michael Andretti, which is the purpose of this article. It might be more appropriate to add this level of detail, without any editorialising, on the article for The Apprentice (U.S. season 12). --Falcadore (talk) 13:55, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

 * The version that I support (and wrote) includes three sentences, each conveying a piece of information:

 * 1) He was on the show;
 * 2) His participation was due to unusual circumstances having to do with his family and his son's career;
 * 3) He was fired in the fourth episode for reason X.
 * I don't think we're in disagreement about including #1. I think it's entirely relevant to include #2. As for #3, given that this is not simply a matter of appearing on the show, but competing in a contest, it seems quite reasonable to mention how well he did in that contest. If anything were to be omitted, I could compromise by removing the reason that he was fired, but I would prefer to keep it, because I think it's relevant (especially because it's so directly tied to his career, as opposed to being fired for not selling enough mops or something, do you know what I mean?) and because it's very clear and well-documented (there is a wide array of sources reporting that he was fired for this specific reason). And it's thirteen words.
 * I'm having trouble understanding the vehemence of the opposition to including this information. Virtually every article on a celebrity includes information that is not explicitly about the reason for the celebrity's fame. This article contains more text about various homes that Andretti has owned (with no working citations about any of them) than I'm proposing to include about his Apprentice role. (And if it helps, I'm not insistent about keeping the separate "The Celebrity Apprentice" heading, if you want to suggest that the information would fit under one of the other headings.) Theoldsparkle (talk) 18:05, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

 * I think the section as it stands is more than adequate. I don't accept that his role on the show was directly related to his career, and the IP's claim that because Andretti can drive a racing car, he should automatically know how well a particular road car handles, is rubbish. All road cars handle terribly compared to racing cars, plus he didn't drive the Buick on the limit anyway. He has no experience of developing, testing or reviewing road cars, and if he's like every other racing driver, only average experience of driving them. To take the camera analogy, it's like giving a video camera to a professional stills photographer and saying, "Well you know about cameras, make a brilliant video." The IP's posts are starting to look like a bit of an WP:OR rant against Andretti. Falcadore is right - take the detail to the relevant Apprentice article. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:58, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

 * No, Falcadore is Not right about taking the detail to the Apprentice Article.  Im sure the Apprentice Article already mentions every Celebrity Contestant of every season.   What do you want to do, Clutter the Celebrity Apprentice article with a cut-n-paste of each Celebrities Wikipedia page?    ...The relevance of Celebrity Apprentice in the Michael Andretti article is the fact that he is a racecar driver, and his team was assigned to a presentation for BUICK.  That is the key point.  Marc Smilen, Dania Florida 206.192.35.125 (talk) 14:09, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

 * AGAIN, I had to edit Theoldsparkle's Celebrity Apprentice paragraph. Theoldsparkle perhaps did not read what I wrote above.  I have to say it again:  You CANNOT write "his reluctance to lead the team."  It is INCORRECT.  It was NOT Andretti's job to lead the team.  He was not project manager.  ...But I support keeping it as a separate section.   Trump and Celebrity Apprentice are high-profile items.   If it was an obscure item, then I would support fitting it into another section.    Marc Smilen, Dania Florida 206.192.35.125 (talk) 13:46, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess I understand the point of confusion better now. In writing that Andretti was reluctant to lead the team, I'm referring to his reluctance to serve as project manager, which is clearly what was expected of him and what he did not do. Your suggested phrasing, "his reluctance to assist his project leader Adam Carolla in the team's presentation", indicates that the judges were fine with Carolla being the leader, but wanted Andretti to help, which he did not do; I don't think that describes the situation at all. These four sources all say that Andretti was fired because he didn't lead the team:    Theoldsparkle (talk) 15:28, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * As opposed to cluttering up contestant pages with material not related to their reasons for notability, which is apparently preferable. You are aware that the entire concept of celbrity game shows is that the contestants are notable for reasons other than their appearance on the game show, regardless of the notoriety of that game show. Your Key point is part of the operation of the show, not of Andretti himself. The operation of the show belongs in its own article, not the contestants article. If it was specific to Andretti in some fashion (you've not demonstrated he has any connection to Buick or its products) maybe. But as the ability to drive a car is available to more than half of the adult population. If the game show feature a Dallara Indycar rather than a Buick production car, I'd concede you may have a point. --Falcadore (talk) 14:58, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

 * Falcadore: Am I speaking Chinese?  Do you understand the terms Road Handling?  taking turns?  Over-steering? Anti-Lock Braking? skidding?  Defensive driving?   ....The adult population that drives does not take the time nor the effort to educate themselves on automotive principles which just might save them in an accident.  A racecar driver can communicate these things to the average consumer.   A racecar driver can judge the performance of a new car and communicate these abilities of a new vehicle to the consumer.  Yeah, if Andretti was on wheel of fortune, or family feud, or Jeopardy, those appearance would not belong in the article.   But the Celebrity Apprentice project was a presentation for Buick.  This is relevant enough with regard to his profession, to be in the article.   Connection to Buick??  Yes, for that episode, he had connection to Buick.   For that Episode, he was professionally responsible to the Trump organization and to the Client, which was Buick!   Marc Smilen, Dania Florida 74.166.156.250 (talk) 23:53, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

 * I'm genuinely confused about whether I should respond to you (Falcadore); it seems like what keeps happening is that I post something, then the IP posts something, and then your response seems to be directed specifically at the IP. For clarity, I'll consider this response, and any other responses where such confusion is reasonable, to be directed at the IP and not at my own comments unless you refer to me by name and address the points I've made. Thanks. Theoldsparkle (talk) 15:28, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Then don't be confused. If I had been talking to you, I would have added an additional indent, like here. --Falcadore (talk) 01:37, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, my apologies. I understand clearly now that you were choosing to ignore my comments and did not expect a response from me. I didn't want to be rude by appearing to ignore your comments if they were intended to address me. Theoldsparkle (talk) 15:36, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You're not speaking Chinese, you're just assuming incorrectly that race driving open-wheelers and defensive driving road going sedans is similar. Your comparing economic theory analysis to high-school mathematics. They start from the same basic theory, but diverged a veyr long time ago and one is very highly specialised and able to be mastered by few, the other is teachablee to anyone with a couple of days of training. The careers of Christian Fittipaldi and Dario Franchitti, extroadinarily talented open-wheeler drivers who failed completely to make any impression in NASCAR are an indication that these skills are highly specialised and not easily translatable into other fields which might be interpreted that they should be. --Falcadore (talk) 01:37, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

 * Theoldsparkle: then the sources are WRONG!!!!!   Its a black and white issue.  Theres no interpretation.   Celebrity Apprentice has projects.  The Celebrities pick a project manager.  The Project manager leads the team.   Andretti was not Project manager.  Therefore there was no by Andretti reluctance to lead.  He was not the chosen leader.  Adam Carolla was the chosen leader.  Corolla was the project manager.  It was NOT Andretti's job to lead the team.74.166.156.250 (talk) 23:39, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is all about sources... and in this case, they are not wrong: Trump fired Andretti solely because he did not take Trump's suggestion to become project manager (ie to lead the team).66.87.2.96 (talk) 16:33, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * "Andretti's reluctance to lead" means "Andretti's reluctance to be the project manager." Theoldsparkle (talk) 15:36, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe he was reluctant to be project manager, but that is irrelevant in light of the bigger issue that he was fired from Celebrity Apprentice.  His job was to help his project manager.  He did not give his project manager the support that was expected of him.  Ayways,  A couple of weeks ago, I created the separate section for "Other activities,"  with some minor edits by you guys, and It looks like we all are in final agreement on how it should be.   Marc S., Dania Fl  206.192.35.125 (talk) 20:32, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm glad that we're both okay with the current version. But I admit, I just have to ask: when, in the episode that you watched, did Adam Carolla ask Michael Andretti to do something that Andretti did not do? Or did the judges say something along the lines of, "Michael Andretti, Adam Carolla wanted you to do this and you did not do it"? Theoldsparkle (talk) 15:16, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

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One minor Grand Prix entry?
Probably a silly question, but what happens with drivers - such as Apicella - who had an insignificant F1 career, but were far more successful in other formulae? I'd find it very irritating to have one minor Grand Prix entry given greater weight than a whole slew of championships elsewhere. Loganberry 23:32, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * True, but unfortunately people add what they are familiar with, and there is less data on sports cars and other championships on here than there is of Formula One. Feel free to add more career details if you have them. --MartinUK 13:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

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Cast
I'm fairly sure this show had a cast of characters besides Chuck Norris, why doesn't someone try posting it??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.193.200.145 (talk) 12:59, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Theme Song Vandalism
I'd like to say that theme song is pure vandalism, but I honestly don't know. What's the deal? Ipsenaut 04:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Is this correct?
The article states that the show:"emphasized values such as refraining from the use of drugs, participation in community service, and abstention from public displays of bleeding"

I'm not really sure that "Abstetion from public displays of bleeding" is realy considered a "value" per say. Deathawk 23:19, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Probably meant to be a joke, I removed it. ROUNDHOUSE KICK TO THE FACE! --Liface 00:04, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The same anon user claimed the show "was named for Aaron Emerson Walker," a tidbit that's been roundhouse-kicked out of the article. - Hedgey42 08:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

top right picture
Can anybody get a picture like the one in the top right that doesn't have that annoying TV rating on it?

Fix up the tense
People have been adding things in the past and current tense. Someone needs to go through and standardise it "Walker, Texas Ranger is an American television western/police dramatic series" vs "The show was known for its moral values"

Looking for help writing an article about the spin-offs and crossovers of this series
I am writing an article about all of the series which are in the same shared reality as this one through spin-offs and crossovers. I could use a little help expanding the article since it is currently extremely dense and a bit jumbled with some sentence structures being extremely repetitive. I would like to be able to put this article into article space soon. Any and all help in writing the article would be appreciated, even a comment or two on the talk page would help. Please give it a read through, also please do not comment here since I do not have all of the series on my watch list. - LA @ 17:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Nitro button?
Walker had a nitro-button in one of his cars in one episode. Does anyone know what season and episode this was? It would really help out! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.109.253.239 (talk) 19:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

DVD releases section
Is it wrong? I see that some sections are N/A as a DVD release may not have actually happened for a certain season in certain territories but imdb lists nine seasons, not eight. Wikipedia's DVD list goes from 'Season 7' to 'Final season'... 86.160.59.243 (talk) 21:02, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Weapons
I have changed some mistakes in regards to weapons that Walker carried, It is a Taurus PT92 and not a Beretta 92FS Inox as clear by the Taurus's frame-mounted safety as opposed to the Beretta's slide-mounded safety, The other was listed as a Colt Government variant which is in part correct but to be 100% right its a Colt Combat Elite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by R.M.Hale (talk • contribs) 07:25, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Show creators?
The body of the article attributes the development of the show to Allison Moore, J. Michael Straczynski, and David Moessinger. However, in the infobox there is a "Created by" credit for Christopher Canaan, Albert S. Ruddy, Leslie Greif, and Paul Haggis, none of whom are mentioned in the main text at all. Is there a source that can resolve this seeming contradiction? --RL0919 (talk) 19:54, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Characters
I am looking for suggestions for the 'recurring characters' list. Anybody know any? I would prefer if they appeared in 3 or more episodes. Who was that lady who used to argue with CD all the time at the bar during Season 1? Any villains that appeared a lot? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolknot (talk • contribs) 04:56, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Season 12? Since when was there a 12th season of Walker? Coolknot (talk) 08:25, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

For the Main character's template, shouldn't somebody add that Trent and Carlos were recurring characters for Seasons 4-5 (having both appeared in two episodes of each season)? Nashwalker (talk) 03:30, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

End of series due to stunt driver death
I've seen a claim (in the comments here: http://io9.gizmodo.com/walking-dead-season-8-production-suspended-after-tragic-1796916194) that the series was cancelled due to stunt driver death (http://edition.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/TV/9901/12/tvstunt/index.html, http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tv-stuntman-dies-during-filming/). Is this correct? if it is, it should probably be mentioned in the article. Slsh (talk) 10:37, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, now looking at the dates, the accident was on the news January 12, 1999, so seasons 7 and 8 were at least aired after it. I guess also filmed after the incident. Slsh (talk) 10:43, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

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Top Gear
Can someone please mention his appearance in top gear where he was the fastest person for the kia cee'd (F1 Board) Anish9807 (talk) 20:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

star
I removed the comment about him being the "newest" Brazilian star as he isn't (that mantle goes to Massa). And I don't think he is unpopular amongst Brazilians, so I removed that too. If I am wrong, put it back, but provide a source.Damian Corrigan 18:38, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

You are correct about him not being a star in Brazil, but your statement: "I don't think he is unpopular amongst Brazilians" is untrue. - This is an encyclopedia, opinions shouldn't count and it is a known fact to anyone who has lived in Brazil in the past few years that Rubinho is extremely unpopular and not very well liked because of his inability to race. Because of Senna, the standards were set high and he, unfortunately, was unable to make himself an idol. He is known in Brazil as: "Rubinho pé de chinelo" which refers to his inability to race - therefore I think it should be added that he is very unpopular in Brazil. --Nandogm (talk) 20:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Italian origin
What does "of Italian origins" mean? Are his parents Italian? Or it's just that "Barrichello" sounds Italian? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.125.34.151 (talk) 21:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC).
 * His family is from Treviso, as is duly referenced. Macgreco 00:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The information was here already, anyway, in the references section. Rubens's greatgreat-grandfather was Italian. Macgreco 00:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Photo
Would it be appropriate to switch the photo to him in a Honda uniform? Or would it be better to keep the current image since his career will probably be defined by his Ferrari days? The Dunnie 18:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd stick with the Ferrari picture, as it was taken during his prime. It'd be a bit harsh to immortalise him as the poor sap in the appalling Honda Earth car! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.232.208.134 (talk) 14:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Do we have one of Brawn then? Chubb  enna  itor  12:05, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

JOKE
This joke is funny to a Barrichello when he was in Ferrari team. [] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.32.175.45 (talk) 13:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Retirement?
Until the information the the Honda team have failed to find a buyer and that by implication Barrichello has retired can be sourced it is still only someone's opinion. Please do not waste your time adding anything that implies this to the text as this page is watched and until confirmation arrives it will be reverted faster than a Jarno Trulli qualifying lap. Britmax (talk) 19:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

starts
The succession box lists most F1 entries, what about F1 starts? 70.29.213.241 (talk) 07:06, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Results?
I was wondering if whether his results table has gotten so long it deserves it's own page with the last three years on the main page. Chubb enna  itor  12:04, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd be loath to do that. If we do it for Barrichello, then it could be argued we should do the same for Patrese, M.Schumacher, Coulthard etc, etc. DH85868993 (talk) 16:53, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, and I don't want to call time on Rubinho's career, but there probably won't be more than one or two more seasons anyway. I don't think it's too long. Bretonbanquet (talk) 17:33, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree with the others. No need to remove years, as it doesn't amount to an excessive length. Take Paul Tracy's article for instance, that's got results from all of his seventeen ChampCar seasons. Cs-wolves  (talk)  17:47, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Quick action by officials ensured survival in Imola
The first officials who arrived in the scene turned the car and caused Barrichellos head to shake violently. So i think the first officials actually didn't help at all. They only could have made it much much worse. I think the line should be changed that Sid Watkins with his team ensured survival. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.250.84.83 (talk) 18:23, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Other
On the 11th July 2010, Barrichello appeared on the TV show Top Gear. He set the fastest time round the track beating most notably The Stig, and others such as Jenson Button, Lewis Hamilton and Nigel Mansell. His lap time was 1:44.3 ahead of the Stig's 1:44.4. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lime-green-lime (talk • contribs) 20:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

F3000 Results
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubens_Barrichello#Complete_International_Formula_3000_results - Apparently he finished the season in "3th". Obviously should be 3rd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.16.43.219 (talk) 01:49, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Resolved. Cs-wolves  (talk)  02:13, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

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