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older entries
Is this article showing a bug in MidiaWiki?

The link to George III shows red when looking at the article, but when doing a diff or a preview it looks right.

--KayEss 16:15, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

External link(s)
Enough people told me that it shold always be External links even if there are only one as a matter of policy that it was pretty standard. That appears to be what most people hve used over the last year. The External links article now says singular, but I note that that was only changed on March 18 and the person who put it there was an anonymous user. Based upon the comments on the talk page saying that it should be plural even when there is only one, and there being no contradiction to this elsewhere except by this one anon user, I am going to remove what the anon user said from that page. DreamGuy 14:49, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

 * We're discussing this on your (and my) talk page, as it does not pertain specifically to this article. JFW | T@lk  21:12, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * It refers to edit comments on this article, which is why I placed it here. DreamGuy 22:07, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I am not responding to you here. How's that for an oxymoron. JFW | T@lk  13:51, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Fine by me. :-)  Looks like consensus on the External links page is that there is no consensus. DreamGuy 16:48, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

 * Heh. Agree not to disagree. JFW | T@lk  17:03, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Frederick William II of Prussia
Someone added Frederick William II of Prussia as a porphyria sufferer. Google had virtually nothing compared to George III, so I've removed this as distant speculation. JFW | T@lk  06:50, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Request for expansion
The article could still do with some epidemiology, prognosis and complications. I've been expanding piecemeal but am a bit hesitant to continue, as I have nil clinical experience with this condition. Does anyone else have experience with this? JFW | T@lk  19:58, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

more on porphyria...
I have a very active case of coproporphyria and stay in touch with many persons who have other types as well. Symptoms and prognosis vary tremendously. I will post suggestions here as I study the original article.

Enzyme location
Out of the 8 enzymes listed in the Heme biosynthetic pathway, it is stated that the first and last 3 are in the mitochondria and the remaining 4 (????) are in the cytosol... Does anybody know what the truth is? I will research it, but if someone knows offhand please correct at will...

Cheers

 * See diagram on Porphyrin. JFW | T@lk  08:32, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Drinking blood
This article (on cursory examination) doesn't seem to mention the reason I looked this disorder up... the blood-drinking that may or may not be involved (See ). Do some people with this order need/want to drink blood? -GregoryWeir 00:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

 * No, which is why we cite a source debunking the vampirism link by The Straight Dope. Haem does not survive the digestive tract (wow, we'd be able to avoid blood transfusions) and blood drinking is not an adequate treatment for acute porphyria.

 * Haem arginate and haematin (which are haem analogues) are administered intravenously for the treatment of acute porphyria. The article states that. JFW | T@lk  23:48, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Vincent and porphyria?? Are you kidding? There are more likely hypotheses.

I know...
I know people with this disease.. they drink blood, then want and as they say, they "need" blood... they cannot be on sun for long time and they are allergic for gold. This people are from Prague.

I think you know vampire-wanna-bes, not real sufferers of the illness.

 * Are you a vampire troll? JFW | T@lk  08:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I have this condition, I do not have a need or want for any blood at all. I am however very sensitive to light, have EXTREME back pain, EXTREME Vomiting, and my urine turns purple, but normally only during the attacks. This condition did not start effecting me this badly until I became an adult. I can't stand it because the doctors don't know how to treat it, or what to do about it, and I am basically powerless over it as well. Until the day I die, I will be a prisoner of my own body. TheСyndicate 18:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Lipids
This study again confirms that hemin is good in acute porphyria. JFW | T@lk  08:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

In reference to my edit
I have been informed that Google does not return any results as Porphyric Haemophilia being another term for Porphyria. While this is true, we can also say that Google is not infallible. In the 1950's, Porphyria (especially Hepatic Porphyria) was sometimes referred to as "Porphyric Haemophilia", based on the way that blood injections were occasionally used to temporarily stabilize the afflicted person. While the diesease is not in reality a Haemophilia at all, this term was used in error for lack of understanding of the disease, especially in a book I have a copy of, "An Encyclopaedia of Obscure Medicine" by Joness Denver, Published by University Books, Inc., 1959.

This, because of the use of this term in Morrowind, is why I added the Disambig at the top. Thank you for your time. ~  Porphyric Hemophiliac   §  00:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Comment: Before you spend precious time searching, I cannot find any other copies of this book anywhere, since it is long out of print. ~  Porphyric Hemophiliac   §  00:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Working
I've finally managed to weed out the piles of anecdotal crud once inserted by a porphyrophiliac anonymous editor. What it is now is all that I know about this condition; I will try to reread the Kauppinen review and update the article accordingly.

This article apparently sheds some light (no pun intended) on the history of porphyria. I'll need to locate fulltext with the help of our nice librarians. JFW | T@lk  21:45, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Recent Vandalism
Apparently, someone vandalized the Porphyria page by erasing the entire page, and putting "I LOVE PIE!!!!" and a bunch of non-Latin symbols. I undid the changes and I would like to cite the last user for vandalism. They were logged in. Someone please check the history for me. Geosultan4 02:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

CSI Episode 121 "Justice is Served"
In this episode 121 from the first season, “The Justice is Served”, A woman with phorphyria, is the responsible for the murder of a jogger found mauled in a park by a dog. She tells Grissom that she needed the victim’s liver and other organs, in order to made a nutritional drink against her disease. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.134.69.125 (talk) 19:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC).

 * Actually it was CSI episode 120 "Justice is Served" but who's counting. -ROMARO- CSI Expert

Werewolf Legends
I agree that the case for vampirism being explained by a porphyria does not stack up because drinking blood would not correct the associated anaemia as previously mentioned .. in fact it could conceivably lead to iron overload. The werewolf legends do fit better ....consider for example persons with Congenital erythropoetic porphyria which goes untreated ....this could lead to

a)loss of mental competence(possibly leading to odd behaviour and vocalisations) b)hypertrichosis c)Severe photosensitivity so sufferers would only come out at night and may have developed an otherwise odd appearance due to light evoked scarring. d)Fluorescent red/brown teeth ( presumably best seen at night under a full moon!) One can envisage a situation in isolated communities in densly forrested areas where consanguinity has increased the likelihood of this autosomal recessive condition occuring.

all speculative of course but certainly worth consideration ... Doctorpete 11:06, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

This might be your opinion, but it would be wrong. Considering that the Vampire legends and the Blood letting had no link with the Porphyric part of the Vampire stories.

They are two separate things. The Porphyric part of the Vampire legends should be completely obvious to anyone, the sunlight part of the stories are really the only part dealing with Porphyria.

The Blood drinking and youth parts of Vampirism had to do with people needing an explanation for why some rulers would drink blood, or kill virgins and also them needing an explanation for why the recently buried people were bloated with blood all over their mouths when uncovered —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.108.181.98 (talk) 11:15, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

 * 206.217.11.124 (talk) 12:17, 26 October 2009 (UTC) ← I just watched a show about werewolves on animal planet explaining Porphyria as the cause of it explaining many symptoms like: blood lust, purple urin, mental lapses, and excessive hair growth. They also named the medical conditions for Mermaidism, cyclops disease, and some others. They claimed that the blood kept the condition under control. → 206.217.11.124 (talk) 12:17, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I find it bordering on the ridiculous that the first sentence in the "Vampires and Werewolves" section is tagged as 'citation needed' when the next three sentences cite the very references requested. Is it standard Wikipedia policy to consider immediate following references inapplicable to a previous statement's need for citations? 170.141.177.61 (talk) 22:21, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

False statement.
Personally I'm not sure how to handle the edit for this since I have infact read such criticisms elsewhere and in books.

The article states "The theory also operates on a highly-flawed premise: mainly in regards to a perceived harmful effect sunlight had on vampires. But this is a much more recent innovation in vampire "lore": its origin is from 1922, with the release of vampire movie, Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens."

However, in Bram Stoker's original Dracula novel published in 1897, the vampire, Dracula, was infact affected by sunlight. His powers were much weaker and he was very vulnerable in sunlight. It didn't kill him, but it was in a sense his kryptonite. Also, there's a prevailing tradition that vampires only come out at night extending as far back as a time when vampires were thought to be merely evil spirits the possess both animate and inanimate things. Anything from a rabid dog to a rusty door latch could be seen as a vampire at one point.

If need be, I can dig out my books from storage to provide citations for this, but it'll take some time. Still, the statement is obviously flawed as anyone who's read Bram Stoker's Dracula will know, 1922 wasn't the start of sunlight being harmful. If anything, it's "Nosferatu" started the sunlight is lethal bit. Even then, historically speaking, Nosferatu and Vampires were two entirely different things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.254.163.150 (talk) 19:33, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

 * You are correct. If people would just use their heads. In the original Vampire legends, FAR before Bram wrote his book, They would dig up the recently buried corpse of a person to see if they were a Vampire. This had to do with them looking for the body to be bloated with blood around the mouth. Their belief was that the "Vampire" was only active AT NIGHT, and would FEED on sleeping people. Last time I checked, people sleep at night and in order to be in a defenseless state, you either have to be drugged/drunk or asleep. Again the majority of the population slept at night. They dug them up during the day time, then put a stake in them to hold them down. Again, I would like to point out that I have this stupid illness, and I in no way, so far, have had ANY urge to drink blood in ANY way. TheСyndicate 18:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.108.188.221 (talk)

Royal family
The following book would appear to be a suitable source for the speculation that members of the Royal family had porphyria. I've only read the reviews, which indicate it specifies several names that are currently unsourced in this article, and the reviews seem to regard it as a serious work. Colin°Talk 10:11, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

ALAD porphyria
I would like to suggest possible treatment for ALAD porphyria. I was thinking that Lead poisoning causes the same symptoms and probably has had alot more research. I looked up how to treat lead poisoning and it's suggested chelation therapy and vitamin C. I mean, that's something to think about. We really need more research of ALAD and other porphyrias too. Interestedperson (talk) 02:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Relationship between Mary Queen of Scots and George III
On July 15 2008, the article stated that Mary QoS was George III's "grandmother six times removed" – a phrase I do not understand. I looked up the relationship, and edited this to read "first cousin nine times removed". Recently, someone changed this to "great great great great great grandmother", and someone else changed it back.

Today I checked the relationship, and found that "great great great great great grandmother" is in fact correct. I do not know why I got it wrong first time – I guess I followed a different line of relationship. The direct one goes through Sophia of Hanover, great granddaughter of Mary and great great grandmother of George III. I have corrected the article. I offer my apologies to those whom I misled. Maproom (talk) 19:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Serious errors
Just for the record I do not know of any person with Variegate Porphyria with developmental delay and I should know we have 24 sufferers in our family and absolutely no one has any form of developmental delay as a matter of fact they all are highly intelligent from an early age. There is serious problems with this article maybe some one who is a porphyria specialist should edit this page fully.

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.176.161.35 (talk) 06:45, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Porphyria, Vampires, and Werewolves: The Aetiology of European Metamorphosis Legends
Sincerely I cannot find this book/article anywhere, not even in official David Dolphin's bibiography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.186.232.30 (talk) 19:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Error in porphyria types classification
In the chapter "Signs and symptoms" the Porphyria cutanea tarda (PCT) is reported as acute, but is non acute, and the "ALA Dehydratase Deficiency" is missed within the acute types. Also the links acute-->hepatic and cutaneous-->erythropoietic in the preamble and the subsequent division seems wrong (as far as I know the correct subdivision is "acute" and "non acute") Unfortunately I'm not an expert, therefore I don't feel confortable in modifying this page and I prefer somene else to do it. Jimmi61 (talk) 09:54, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

George III
In the current issue of “The Psychologist” magazine, Peter Garrard, Reader in Neurology the University of Southampton, writes:
 * “Thanks to a widely publicised series of articles by psychiatrists Ida MacAlpine and Richard Hunter (1966), it has become widely accepted that King George’s bizarre behaviour was due to acute exacerbations of the inherited metabolic illness porphyria. An exhaustive analysis of historical records, however, has revealed that this claim was based on spurious and selective interpretation of contemporary medical and historical sources (Peters & Wilkinson, in press).”- Garrard, P., (2010), “Literature, history and biology”, The Psychologist, Vol 23, No 3, March 2010, pp 262-263. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The reference, now published, is this: Peters, Timothy J.; Wilkinson, D. (2010) "King George III and porphyria: a clinical re-examination of the historical evidence", History of Psychiatry 21: 3–19. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:29, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Images
Could someone upload an humann image of porphyria showing the skin lesions and perhaps one of discoloured urine. These would add a lot of value to the article - the paintings of kings and queens add little I'm afraid.ROxBo (talk) 05:12, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

History
10.1016/S0738-081X(97)00199-5 - Goldberg's history 1998, Clin Derm. JFW | T@lk  03:30, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Hard to understand
This article is particularly difficult to understand. The pathogenesis section especially "This is not the main problem in the porphyrias" - well what IS the key problem. Cut to the chase more - don't tease us with this. If I understood it I'd rewrite it myself, but I'm certainly not getting the quick answer people look to from Wikipedia at the moment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.183.184 (talk) 15:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, how we agree with you! My gf and I are sitting here, having read this article, feeling "so what IS porphyria? Did we miss something or is there no actual list of symptoms, as such.  We gather that it is a wide group of different diseases with some kind of common cause, but even so- what is it?  What do these things have in common IceDragon64 (talk) 21:06, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

 * 78.145.183.184 (talk) & IceDragon64 (talk) - This has long been a huge peeve of mine, that Wikipedians get carried away writing in dense jargon. It makes articles inaccessible to someone without a doctorate in any given topic. The hover-overs that are now used are helpful, but not a cure-all. When someone reads something they don't understand, the hover info doesn't help, and they jump to a link to an another article that they cannot understand (etc, etc, jump, jump, jump), they tumble down a deep maze-like rabbit hole and leave the site in frustration.

 * For a long time I have suggested that the initial parts of a technical article be written in plain language and that the in-depth jargon be held for the end for those readers who are truly interested. But I seem to be the only one with this opinion. If Wikipedians made the site more user-friendly, maybe getting donations wouldn't be so hard.

 * Thank you for your time, Wordreader (talk) 19:43, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Sunlight and vampires
Just a small thing about vampires being harmed in sunlight being a new development. The film Nosferatu (1922) is supposed to be the first record of a vampire being harmed or destroyed in sunlight. Was wondering if this was any use to anyone in order to create a citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.16.209 (talk) 14:26, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Vlad III was also said to have suffered from acute porphyria, which may have started the notion that vampires were allergic to sunlight.

 * Should the circumspect reader now assume the opposite? 178.38.108.161 (talk) 15:40, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Review in Blood
10.1182/blood-2012-05-423186 is a recent review. JFW | T@lk  10:01, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

 * British/Irish national guidelines (http://bipnet.org.uk/index.php/bipnet-clinical-guidelines/management-of-acute-porphyria.html). JFW | T@lk  15:09, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Case series (108 pts) - diagnostic delay can be a decade 10.1016/j.amjmed.2014.06.036. Needs a secondary source for backup, but very illustrative... JFW | T@lk  09:05, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia needs page/section regarding Homozygous Acute Intermittent Porphyria please
Hello, I am a mother of a child with Homozygous Acute Intermittent Porphyria (AIP). She is the only known case in the United States with this disease to my knowledge. Homozygous refers to two gene mutations of the HMBS gene vs just one (heterozygous). People with AIP as described in the Acute Intermittant Porphyria wiki page and the general Porphyria page only have one gene mutation. I have not been able to find ANY online published information either on Wikipedia or other similar sources that would describe the Homozygous version of the disease, its symptoms, its treatments, its prognosis, etc with the exception of pubmed. I think its critical for families who have a child with this disease in the future to have access to information about this disease,in Wikipedia and other accessible and widely used places. Before my daughter was diagnosed, we spent 2 years searching through reams of online information to try to figure out what her disease was. Porphyria did NOT come up because the symptoms of Homozygous porphyria vs heterozygous porphyria are DIFFERENT. Had we been able to diagnose her earlier than we did perhaps her outcome could have been better. At the very least we would not have had to drag her around the country to doctors of every possible specialty who were also stumped. My goal in writing this talk page is to see if anyone would be willing to create a page or section regarding Homozygous AIP. I am not a Wikipedia contributor and I am probably not qualified to do it myself (I wouldn't know where to start). But I know just about everything about the disease and I know of the papers that have been published about it (just a few). I could certainly be a consultant to start the page. In other words, I would really like this disease to be known and documented but I really do not know how to get it done. Any help you can provide could ultimately save another child's life in the future, especially as gene therapies become reality in the next many years. Thank you Cmaestas1970 (talk) 18:58, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

 * Cmaestas1970 (talk) - This article touches on HAIP. If this is not enough, perhaps you could begin editing articles, too. There is a steep learning curve here on Wikipedia, I know, but you might find it rewarding to meet your goal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hereditary_coproporphyria

 * All the best to you and your child, Wordreader (talk) 19:58, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Updated review
10.1111/bjh.14459 JFW | T@lk  16:06, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Text
This text was added "The most frequent type of porphyria is porphyria cutanea tarda (PCT), which manifests solely with skin complaints and is usually sporadic."

Ref however says "Most porphyrias are inherited disorders"... "For example, porphyria cutanea tarda is most common in the United States, and variegate porphyria is most common in South America."..."Porphyria cutanea tarda is usually an acquired disorder"

So it is not saying that PCT is the most common globally. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:03, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I assumed the refs would be comprehensive, I shouldn't have. Here are three sources that do say it is the most common:

 * https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1820519/
 * https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18093456
 * https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28321838

As for hypertension and tachycardia as manifestations of acute attacks here are two sources:

 * http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/957604-clinical#showall
 * https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27982422

Fuse809 (contribs · email · talk · uploads) 07:49, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * This references looks good https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=27982422 Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 08:06, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

NEJM
10.1056/NEJMra1608634 JFW | T@lk  08:51, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

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Relationships
This article lacks a description of many (claimed-to-be) past members of the band. Specifically, David Westlake is not linked in the article main, and his sidebar link under "Past Members" does not link back to this page. I'm not questioning the authenticity of the claim, just that it could use some clarification. Feel free to revert my proposed changes (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sneaker_Pimps&oldid=504488903 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sneaker_Pimps&oldid=504488509) if you feel that they are confusing or misrepresentative of my concern. (Sorry for not being logged in) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.29.164.238 (talk) 20:38, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Untitled
It is unclear why and how Kelli left the band. Her website, Sneaker Pimps' site and miscellaneous fan sites all offer different interpretations of this, some are very biased. Also, I couldn't find any mention of the year when the band was created. I removed "formed in 1993" because some of the biographies stated that Becoming X was released several months after the band found Kelli Dayton.. which makes it somewhere in 1996, since the album was released in 1997. Yet Dayton heard demos of 6 Underground before she sang for it, which means the song was composed earlier.. It would be great if someone could clear this up :) - Jashiin

Kelli makes it pretty clear on her site that she got sacked, no? Djbell 04:02, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Movies/Soundtracks
It would be good if we could list all the movies this song has been used in and if it's appeared on any soundtracks. KannD86 (talk) 14:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Format
Yo, i dont know whats going on with the format, particularly of the infobox. The picture needs to be far smaller, and there is some extraneous text at the top, though i cant identify where this is on the editable version of the article. Could someone who is better at formatting infoboxes than I am sort it out at all? I'm adding a clean-up tag until this happens... Jdcooper 18:54, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Seems it's ok now. I've removed the clean-up tag. Jogers 19:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ace work, it looks really good now. While we're here, do you (or anyone else) have any idea where they come from? Jdcooper 21:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * All Music Guide says that the band was formed in Reading, England . Jogers 21:21, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Rolling Stone interviews state they are from Hartlepool, England . Isamu-alva (talk) 15:14, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

POV
The 'Dayton's departure...' paragraph seems like POV to me - very much advocating the idea that Dayton leaving was a good thing. Who are these 'fans' and 'critics'? The band's commercial appeal pretty much evaporated after the vocalist switch.

Yeah, a source is definitely needed there. Greenagain 23:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I get the impression that Corner wanted to be centre stage. He should have realised that with him singing there wouldn't be anyone in front of the stage to listen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.111.47.29 (talk) 00:19, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

electropop
the first paragraph immeadiately says sneaker pimps are an electropop band- and whilst they do incorperate alot of electropop into their music, they also put in alot of trip-hop in there aswell, along with various other genres. Perhaps the word "electronic" would be a more appropriate word? i think it fairly sums up their sound without specifying genre too much. --Skellyscribbles (talk) 00:55, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

SP5
What about the second unreleased album, SP5? A short audio sample from that album was used on the official Sneaker Pimps website (now offline).--Kernpanik (talk) 22:40, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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Claude B. Hudspeth

Claude Benton Hudspeth (May 12, 1877 – March 19, 1941) was an American cowboy, rancher, and lawyer from El Paso, Texas.

Biography
A native of Medina, he represented Texas as a Democrat in the U.S. Congress from 1919 to 1931. He also served in the Texas House of Representatives and in the Texas State Senate.

Hudspeth moved to San Antonio in 1940, and died there on March 19, 1941. He is buried in the Mission Burial Park in San Antonio. Hudspeth County, Texas was named for him after he supported its creation in the state senate.

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Talk:J. Fred Muggs

Deletion discussion
From the VfD discussion:

 * Keep, but I have to wonder if the guy was serious about Garroway drugging the orange juice. I suspect he might have been goofing on the reporter, and maybe we should delete that quotation. JamesMLane 21:40, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Well, the newspaper did say that Preis said it, and I think it's clear from the article that Preis is the source. Could use some tweaking. The trainer and his son are certainly not neutral reporters. Somewhere else, they dispute the claim, elsewhere presented as fact, that Muggs bit Imogene Cocoa on the elbow. I've been sort of wondering about the alleged ages, too (i.e. are these really, as implied, the original J. Fred Muggs and Phoebe B. Beebe? But based on the citations below, I guess I'd say it's by no means impossible.

Lee S. Crandall (1964) The Management of Wild Mammals in Captivity says the "best longevity recorded here" (i.e. at the New York zoo as of 1964) is 25 years, 6 months; "at least four animals are known to have lived in zoological gardens in this country for well over 30 years," and mentions reports from other zoos of "37 years, 9 months, 17 days" and one born 1924 and still alive "apparently in excellent health" in 1963.

 * Chaffee zoo "Longevity is around 40 to 45 years"
 * Honolulo zoo "Longevity in the wild is 40 to 45 years with exceptional animals reaching 50. There are chimps in captivity that have lived more than 60 years."
 * Science Times, animal longevity "Chimpanzee 55 +"

OK, I found the actual New York Observer article, which adds the detail that the alleged drug was Benzedrine. I've added stuff Muggs biting Martha Raye, which Preis says didn't happen. I think it's adequately NPOV now. I believe that Hagan a) heard the story from Preis and b) didn't really believe it but c) thought it was too good not to mention. So he carefully avoids attributing it and prefixes it with the word "Legend has it..." I believe a, b, and c as well and have dealt with it by putting statement, including the disclaimer "Legend has it," in Hagan's mouth. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 16:53, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ooops... I found more stuff. Now, I guess the page is a little lopsided on the anti-Muggs side. Oh, well. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 17:06, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Any truth to the story that Muggs once nearly killed Garroway on-air when he almost strangled him with his necktie? User:JB 20:16, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Nothing like that popped up in my very limited research. Maybe someone else visiting this talk page will know.... [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 10:57, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * My bad: the incident happened to Ronald Reagan while filming Bedtime For Bonzo. User:JB 23:37, 23 Oct 2004

Continuing our foray into all things Muggsian, I note that the article on Wyckoff Township, New Jersey claims him as a resident. Well, he had to stay somewhere in the NYC area during his period of stardom. Can any of you chimpanzee researchers confirm this point? JamesMLane 15:05, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Coronation
Wasn't there a certain amount of controversy in Britain in 1953 because J. Fred Muggs' messages had interrupted (recorded) coverage of Elizabeth II's Coronation? RobinCarmody

Indeed there was. Entry altered accordingly. RobinCarmody

Kokomo, jr
Wasn't he replaced on the Today Show by Kokomo, jr?  The article should say when that happen and why.Edison 20:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Updates?
Does anyone know if he is still alive? The last reference to that is from quite a few years ago, and I haven't been able to verify anything else through Google. I'm probably using the wrong search terms or something? At any rate, I think an update would be in order, especially as this is the 60th anniversary of the Today Show this week. (I remember watching this show when I was young, anticipating seeing J.Fred. I might have never developed an interest in current events and history if something hadn't piqued my interest, and that 'something' was the chimp. Until then I had zero interest in 'the news'. In the end, I majored in World History in college, and went on to teach the subject. Without J Fred, who knows what my life would have been like. I might have never developed the passions I've held for so long now without the chimp. As an adult I have always tried to have a 'gimmick' to interest children in this subject. And, it works! As for myself, I read a dozen (or more) Wiki entries each day, beginning with a concrete subject in mind, and following the links from thereon.For instance, yesterday I wanted to learn more about Anderson Cooper, and ended up, more than a dozen links down the road, at Weroance. We're never too old to learn new things. At any rate, J.Fred will live forever in my mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.2.48.84 (talk) 16:37, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Who is Hagen?
In the process of editing apparently the first reference to "Hagen" was removed so we have no idea who that person is. 70.72.223.215 (talk) 17:41, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

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Hollingbourne

Hollingbourne is a village and civil parish in the borough of Maidstone in Kent, England. The parish is located on the southward slope of the North Downs to the east of the county town, Maidstone. The parish population is around 900 and has three conservation areas: Upper Street in the village centre and the outlying hamlets of Broad Street and Eyhorne Street.

Geography
The village is four miles (6.4 km) from Maidstone. Its church is dedicated to All Saints. Hollingbourne railway station, on the Maidstone-Ashford line, serves the village. There is also a bus connecting Hollingbourne to Maidstone.

The North Downs Way National Trail passes through the village, as does the Pilgrims' Way, an ancient trackway historically associated with pilgrimage routes to Canterbury. The village has two large public houses.

Hollingbourne Hill was a major measuring point in the trigonometric survey linking the Royal Greenwich Observatory and the Paris Observatory. The Anglo-French Survey (1784–1790) was led by General William Roy. It was also the origin (meridian) of the 6-inch and 1:2500 Ordnance Survey maps of Kent.

The parish hosts (adjacent to the historic village) part of the M20 motorway and the High Speed 1 rail link to the Channel Tunnel, and residents in 2007 joined forces with the neighbouring village of Bearsted in voicing their objections to the proposed Kent International Gateway development. The plans after a planning inspectorate appeal were in 2011 rejected by the government. Maidstone services lie within the parish on the north side of the motorway.

Hollingbourne village centre
Hollingbourne appears in the Domesday Book of 1086 as Hoilingeborde. It was held partly by the Archbishop of Christ Church, Canterbury and partly by Bishop Odo of Bayeux. Its Domesday assets were: 24 ploughs, 8 acre of meadow, woodland/herbage worth 40 hogs, two mills and one church. It rendered £30.

All Saints’ Church is a Grade I listed building, made of flint and stone, parts dated 14th, 15th and 17th centuries. Within the church are monuments and stone tombs to Francis Culpeper, d. 1591 and his wife Johanna Culpeper, d. 1597, Martin Barnham d. 1610, Baldwin Duppa d. 1737, Samuel Plummer, d. 1705, Dame Grace Gethin, d. 1697, Philippa Culpeper, d. 1630, Elizabeth Culpeper, d. 1638 (freestanding chest tomb with white effigy) John, Lord Culpeper, d. 1660, erected 1695, Cheney Colepeper, 4th Lord Culpeper, d. 1725, the latter were among the governing Virginia/ North Carolina Culpeper family and were major landowners in the village for many generations.

Eyhorne Street
This hamlet in the southwest of Hollingbourne parish has the Grove Mill House downstream on the Hollingbourne and its own conservation area. It has no church and has always been part of the parish. There are 26 Grade II listed buildings and one Grade II* listed building is shown on maps as restored Godfrey House.; its listing describes it as 16th century, restored 1859, timber framed with plaster infilling, 10-light ovolo-moulded mullioned and transomed oriel window with moulded cornice and plastered ogee base immediately below each eaves dormer, and one of six lights to first floor of porch, three rectangular ground-floor bays with 10-light ovolo-moulded mullioned and transomed windows on stone bases. Totnams was an ancient farm in the Eyhorne district, and is now the site of Grade II listed Cotuams Hall.

Colepeper / Culpeper Cloth
The church is best known for the centuries-old 'Culpeper cloth', sometimes described as an altar cloth although it is probably too large to have served that function; several books attribute it to the four daughters of Sir John Culpeper, Lord of Greenway Court. It may in fact have been a funeral pall.

Hollingbourne Manor, a former home of members of the Culpeper family, is a Grade I listed Elizabethan manor house, located at the foot of Hollingbourne Hill. Cotuams House in Eythorne Street was also owned by the family.

Governance
Hollingbourne in elections every four years elects one representative to Kent County Council, this is currently: Hollingbourne elects one representatives to Maidstone Borough Council, currently: The parish council has 8 elected councillors last wholly elected on 3 May 2012, with elections every four years.

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La Prairie (federal electoral district)

La Prairie (previously known as Laprairie) is a federal electoral district in Quebec, Canada, that was represented in the House of Commons of Canada from 1867 to 1896, 1968 to 1997 and again since 2015.

History
The riding of Laprairie was created by the British North America Act of 1867. It consisted of the Parishes of Laprairie, Saint-Philippe, Saint Jacques le Mineur, Saint Isidore and Saint Constant, the Indian Lands of Sault Saint Louis, and all islands in the River Saint Lawrence close to the county. It was abolished in 1892 when it was redistributed into the Châteauguay and Laprairie—Napierville electoral districts.

The riding was re-created in 1966 from Beauharnois—Salaberry and Châteauguay—Huntingdon—Laprairie ridings. It consisted of:
 * the City of Saint-Lambert;
 * the Towns of Brossard, Candiac, Châteauguay, Châteauguay-Centre, Châteauguay Heights, Delson, Greenfield Park, La Prairie, LeMoyne, Léry and Préville; and
 * in the County of Laprairie: the parish municipalities of Saint-Constant and Sainte-Catherine-d'Alexandrie-de-Laprairie; and the Indian Reserve of Caughnawaga No. 14.

In 1976, it was redefined to consist of:
 * the City of Saint-Lambert;
 * the Towns of Brossard, Candiac, Greenfield Park, La Prairie and LeMoyne; and
 * in the county of Laprairie: the municipality of Notre-Dame.

In 1980, it was renamed La Prairie. In 1987, it was redefined to consist of the towns of Brossard, Candiac, La Prairie et Saint-Lambert.

The riding was abolished in 1996 when it was abolished into Brossard—La Prairie and Saint-Lambert.

This riding was re-created during the 2012 electoral redistribution from parts of Châteauguay—Saint-Constant and Brossard—La Prairie.

Following the 2022 federal electoral redistribution the riding will be renamed La Prairie—Atateken. It will also gain a small piece of territory north of Autoroute 30 in Saint-Isidore and a small piece of territory near Ch. St-Bernard in Châteauguay from Châteauguay—Lacolle.

Profile
The Bloc Québécois is more popular in the central and southern portions of the riding, in areas such as Saint-Constant, Sainte-Catherine, Delson and rural areas, with significant support in La Prairie. The Liberals are the main competitors to the Bloc, having won in 2015. Their support is concentrated in La Prairie and Candiac. The Mohawk reserve of Kahnawake is dominated by the Liberals and NDP, but turnout is generally low.

Members of Parliament
This riding has elected the following members of Parliament:

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Talk:Battle of the Beanfield

NPOV
With facts so thin on the ground, independent indications of the intensity of action would be useful. The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jun/12/ukcrime.tonythompson - para 7) states, "In total, 537 people were arrested - the most arrests to take place on any single day since the Second World War."

Is this so? If that statistic is true, it gives a totally non-POV indication of general intensity of behaviour.

- Sonic_Hawk (a festival-goer) - 29 Aug 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.69.47 (talk) 19:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Is this even nominally NPOV? --chbarts 16:23, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)

 * Ahahahahaha..... ahahahahaha! I'm not entirely sure, but its extremely funny. [[User:Sam Spade|Sam Spade Arb Com election]] 18:47, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Rewritten, including personal observationsSquiquifox 18:46, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * this is so not NPOV. tag added (tim)

I was a policeman on the ground during this time. The article has been edited to remove obvious bias against the police. Sadly there is very little real news footage of the event due to the police desire to keep it low key so other groups didn't perform copycat actions. (217.44.169.79)

The NPOV tag has been removed until the reasons and how to fix them are listed on the talk page. You don't just tag stuff without that - David Gerard 07:55, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think 217.44.169.79 just biased the article in the opposite direction. I prefer the prior version. Jamie

Suppressing the truth
I have restored the NPOV tag, because it seems everyone on all sides here has some problems with the pov in this article.

In particular, the following sentence keeps getting summarily blanked out by a couple of new editors

(even though wiki custom and courtesy dictates that when a sentence is removed, it should be removed to the talk page)

Anyway, to blank it out without putting it here is commonly known as "suppression", so here it is:

"Basically the police were extremely violent and beat up men and women with children."

There is no POV with this statement, it is factually true. If you have a problem with the truth (I seriously doubt either of those editors was an eyewitness to the pregnant women getting truncheoned) read what the Earl of Cardigan said and please discuss how you would modify this sentence to make it more factual and less "pov"...

Also I see that one of these new editors has just accused ME of reverting a third time, but that will not hold water because my last edit was not a revert but simply to put up a NPOV tag, and that is perfectly allowed. The NPOV tag is gone already, but I hope noone will object if I now put it back up a second time.

Regards, Codex Sinaiticus 15:11, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

i decided to do a section on this as most of the media went missing, the police tapes went missing during the court case against them and the earl of cardigan sued the media for libel after they called him a liar (he won). not only is this all factually true but it was all proven in court. if anyone disagrees with the accounts of police violence perhaps cardigan can sue them too! --Gothicform 23:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

There is no doubt the police were voilent against women and children
....this is a NPOV. There is no 'bias' against police. Nobody who has seen the (NPOV) BBC film footage or read the (NPOV)Guardian reports can assume otherwise. In 1993 the (almost always NPOV in the police's favour)  courts found aginst the police and awarded the victims £120,000 in compensation (although incredibly this was swallowed up in costs). The Beanfield, like Orgreave has come synonomous with the excessive police voilence that was common in the Thatcher era.

Double Standards
82.143.162.72 18:36, 29 January 2006 (UTC) One source is from the mainstream media (ITN). There have been documentaries presenting two sides of the dispute between travellers and landowners. In them it has been mentioned that a lot of New age travellers do not have the necessary tax and insurance for their vehicles. This is not seen as admissible in the article so why is a television report admissible here? There is also testimony from an eyewitness. Eyewitnesses have also said things of a negative nature to journalists, such as the lack of tax and insurance mentioned above, on a great deal of subjects across the political spectrum. Again, if it is negative it may not be mentioned in the entry for New-Age travellers so why is it admissible here?
 * Erm, in the context of the New age travellers article, whatever footage there is of showing coppers beating up travellers is a good primary source for the actual events mentioned here, and a TV documentary would likely be a good secondary source to verify that the events depicted here happened in the way the article says. I imagine your TV documentary, or Hansard mention re: tax discs isn't a good source, in that all it's a source for is that someone, somewhere says that some unspecified New Age Travellers don't have license plates. I'd be surprised if the people saying such things have done ANY verifiable research into the subject. I hope WP:RS clears things up. --Aim Here 02:40, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

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'The incident became notorious for the Police riot that was reported to have taken place'
I changed that because 'that was reported to have taken place' is unsourced. ninety:one 21:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

 * On this day, Police actions were extreme to say the least. I considered Police Riot to be a good and reasonable definition because, particularly,

Police, whose duty it is to enforce the law and prevent violent conflict, are subject to the same crowd psychology as any other group of armed men and women when in large confrontational groups, in encounters whose outcome is uncertain, and when in the grip of fear, anger, or other strong emotion. However, they are also provided with deadly weapons, and so have a special responsibility to keep their fear, anger, and similar emotions under control.

 * I thought this was fairly 'neutral' it suggests that the Police are human too, and subject to the same emotions and reactions as everyone (obviously). When one considers the facts of the matter, the video evidence and the eye witness accounts from journalists (not the Police and travellers) it is understandable that Police actions that day were excessive and that their was a 'loss of control' either by the individual Police officers themselves or whoever was responsible for briefing / instructing / leading them. Consider Sabido's comments above and also those of Nick Davies, at the time Home Affairs correspondent for The Observer within the article. Stephenjh (talk) 22:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

 * How about 'some claim [source to excessive violence] that there was a police riot'? ninety:one 12:46, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Here's my suggestion: "The incident became notorious for the police actions, described by some[ref] as a police riot." Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 12:50, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That sounds good :) ninety:one 17:52, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Citation standards
I have no vested interest in this article other than the observation that the majority of citations provided fall way short of WP:CITE. BBC Sources are good, as are major news publications. Random druidic websites and essays are not. Perhaps there was excessive police brutality, but it should be presented objectively (not with weasel words) and with proper citation. Djma12 (talk) 20:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

 * RE: WP:CITE - In what respect, exactly, do the citations fail? Are you suggesting that the "random druidic websites" are not reliable, or as reliable as the BBC? If so, I would suggest that there is possibly more factual information about the Battle of the Beanfield in them, than most of the major media websites. Stephenjh (talk) 01:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes, I am claiming that a herbalism website and an individual's personal blog is not as reliable as the BBC. As the incidents occured to neo-druids, druidic websites are inherently NPOV.  Please read WP:QS, WP:SPS and specifically, WP:NPOV. Djma12 (talk) 03:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes but NPOV means presenting both sides of the argument in a balanced way. Thanks, SqueakBox 03:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I definitely agree. I think we're all in agreement that some form of police brutality occured. But wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so the sources have to be encyclopedic. Please refer to WP:RS.

Let's put it this way. I had absolutely no knowledge about the events described here until I read the wiki article. (I found it via wikilink from Stonehenge proper.)

Being reasonably skeptical of wiki, my first reaction was, "Wow, that's horrrible. What did they cite?" I see several BBC and Guardian articles (so far so good), then some herbalism websites, a personal blog, and a self-published book. My opinion of the article immediately drops into, "Well, this is just disgruntled hippies exaggerating events." Stephenjh was good enough to fill me in on a few details, but the underlying problem remains. When you use substandard sources in an encyclopedic article, it cheapens the article and lowers your readers impressions about its reliablity. ESPECIALLY when you a describing an atrocity, objectivity must be maintained, otherwise readers get turned off. Djma12 (talk) 03:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

 * I do agree (and as someone with very strong memories of the event). It was a major media event at the time and there was lots of publicity at the time re alleged police brutality, though this was far more destruction of property than it was actual people getting hurt. Thanks, SqueakBox 03:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm not convinced that 'auto-assumption' the BBC is entirely accurate when compared to a 'druidic website' is proper. In fact, Sabido's reporting (and statement about the Police violence) only finally made it to TV as part of a documentary years later, the other half of that same documentary was a report about how the BBC reversed footage taken at a Miners picket line / demonstration to make it look as though the miners attacked the Police when, what happened was the opposite i.e. their stone throwing a reaction to a Police charge. We are dealing with an event that took place over 20 years ago and its reporting in the media at the time was itself highly subjective and contentious, remember, Lord Cardigan (see article) won his legal actions against all the largest newspapers at that time The Times, The Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Daily Express and the Daily Mirror. I think viewing of the documentary (via YouTube) should be considered before people get too defensive about some issues in the article. It shocked me as a young man to see and hear Sabido's words and I have never forgotten them, I'm glad that this matter is still being debated.

 * My NPOV tag removal was based on the comments within the NPOV paragraph above. I didn't see these POV arguments within the 'Citations Standads'. My error perhaps. But where does it state that sources outside of the mainstream media aren't acceptable? Druids can be honest too ;) ! Stephenjh (talk) 06:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

 * It has nothing to do with honesty, but objectivity, and preventing even the appearance of non-objectivity. The WP:RS standard for an allowable source states that: Wikipedia articles should use reliable, third-party, published sources... and later: Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.   Just as you wouldn't trust a police website for publishing what happened, you can't trust a druid one as well.  They can't, by any definition, be third-party. Djma12 (talk) 12:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Suggested improvements
Rather than get caught up in the negative, why don't we talk about how the article can be improved? Here's some of my suggestions:

 * 1) Include a rationale on WHY Stonehenge was off-limits.  The impression I get so far was "It was declared off-limits, people tried to go in, badness happened."  This just doesn't make sense to a discriminating reader.  In legal terms, sine qua non!  WHY was it off-limits?  WHY were the police so psycho in defending it?  Did they just come off the Coal Strikes?  Were there previous episodes of mischief?  Having a violent act without an impetus is simply puzzling.
 * 2) The most potentially powerful section of the article is, right now, also its weakest.  All these quotations are used, but do we have an original citation?  All I can assume, since the overarching citation is to someone's book promotion website, is that's its either adversting or fabricated.
 * 3) Do we have any police accounts, properly cited, of the event.  This article is told entirely from one POV.  It may be that they were total fascist pigs, but the lack of their POV sticks out as a glaring omission to the casual reader.

Just my thoughts. Djma12 (talk) 04:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

 * While the police were clearly unhappy about the selling of drugs openly at the festivals English Heritage were concerned about damage to Stonehenge itself and the archaeology of the surrounding area. I agree we need more factual information about the exclusion zone. Most of the festival goers were young, alienated unemployed people at a time of high unemployment etc in the middle of the Thatcher era, rather than being lots of druids. I think a great part of the problem is that the police have been far more circumspect than the convoy about whta happened but I do agree that we need to present both POVs with equal value. Thanks, SqueakBox 04:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Almost everything related to the period 85-89 is disputed. IIRC, Wiltshire Constabulary said that EH asked them to intervene, EH said that WC suggested that their help would be needed...

I am not sure what the truth is. I do know that the Free Festival had done a lot less damage to the environs of Stonehenge than the Army had done to the ancient monuments on the Plain - around 60 substantially damaged. I think it will be very, very difficult to get any sort of consensus on a NPOV for this, despite the fact that some of the facts were established in court.Buffalo Bill talk to me 14:49, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

how can you create a full article without any leading citations? the enitre "media" section is completly unfounded. For example a channel 4 show recently documented this event after finding more articles/evidence? Which? The operation is not marked or known to wikipedia also. Ive tried searching relevant documents and news websites to trace the specific programme to these events so surely it should be removed? Jw 22/09/08 10:54 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.239.159.5 (talk) 09:54, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

 * How on earth is the enitre media section unfounded? That statement itself seems "unfounded" to me. The sources for the statements quoted are within the news footage taken that day and they are all viewable on the Channel 4 documentary cited within the text. This documentary remains the 'best' coverage of the incident and I would ask people to watch it before editing the article. I'm all for encyclopaedic standards, but I fear that by removing some of the sources and information from this article, the history of the incident is being re-written, incorrectly.

 * Prima facie, 'Druidic' websites might not seem the best source to use, but considering the event (summer solstice) and the type of people that were there that day (including druids!), I believe they are relevant. I don't believe it encylopaedic to remove the POV of one of the groups that attended that day. Stephenjh (talk) 13:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

"none of the riot police involved had been wearing identifying numbers"
This supposedly happened recently during the G20 protests. Surely the police are required to display their identifying numbers are all times? If this is the case, surely there absence suggests intent. If the police are required to wear their identifying numbers and where not doing so on this occasion surely this should be spelt out in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.90.89 (talk) 15:45, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

12th year or even 13th
Hi

The article states that this was to be the 11th festival - unfortunately this is not quite correct as the actual festival was the "Peoples Free Festival". That festival moved to Stonehenge in 1975 but existed before that in Windsor I seem to recall... and so the 1985 event would have been the 11th at Stonehenge. The whole reason that the government was so eager to stop the festival was the law which stated that "after 12 years of gathering in the same place of celebration a national event automatically came into being" and as a national event they would have been unable to prevent it from occurring again in the future. It was imperative for the government to stop the festival that year or the next to prevent it from becoming a national event by the next year 1986.

I will research more but the main refs, and  (Google news so Firefox users may have to switch to IE to look at them)

Chaosdruid (talk) 20:17, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

The Peace convoy - The Convoy
The "Peace Convoy" was only a part of "The Convoy". The Convoy was made up of smaller groups from all over Britain and it would be wrong of anyone to say that the convoy was, as a whole, the peace convoy.

"The actual ‘Convoy’ in 1985 was made up of groups who had come from different places, including the Rainbow Village from Molesworth via Glastonbury and the Peace Convoy from Bristol."

It is also true that someone who was a part of the Peace Convoy could make the mistaken assumption that others from the rest of the country, once joined together alongside them, would consider themselves part of the "Peace Convoy" - Please recheck your sources.

thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 22:14, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

 * So on that logic, I must be from Bristol... News to me!  Sounds like a typical case of the source being rather divorced from reality, but I suppose WP:VER policy says we have to go with it until a more accurate source can be found.  My own observation and experience is that "Peace Convoy" ("Convoy" for short) was used internally as the main generic name, and most of those I travelled with were from Manchester. There were multitudinous subgroups with all kinds of self-names like Rainbow village, Rainbow warriors, Green warriors, New Age, straight up anarchists who belligerently rejected any "labels" whatsoever, and lots of others... Yes, yes, I know, my own observation and experience counts for nothing unless I can find it in a published source... Os Cangaceiros (Yippie!) 22:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

 * And the same is true for me lol :¬)
 * I joined from over in East Anglia having moved here in 82 from (you'll laugh) Manchester lol
 * One of my good friends was the man that took the Landrover off the police at another famous confrontation...
 * Later in around 87/88 we did the Winter Solstice at Stonehenge - everything was sort of calmed down by then but the police took our number plates and we got chased by 4 or 5 police cars after we left the convoy - they stopped us about 60 miles after leaving - I remember sitting in a field at about 3 in the morning in our marina car eating peanuts whilst watching them drive all around us trying to catch us lol
 * There were so many little elements, one I particularly remember was the "Brew crew" - famed for their incredible capacity for drinking 10 or more cans of special brew and still managing to walk lol and lots of old sunblest vans and ford box lorries for some reason
 * I know it can get problematic as the original intention was peace but those years 84/85/86 were not a good time for freedom of anything and peace was soon overtaken by a strange poll tax escape which led to many new New Age travellers and a gradual decline of intent.
 * We put on a couple of fairs here in the late 80s and early 90s and by that time we had to ban the convoy ourselves as they seemed to think they could takeover the gate and demand money from us - it was a bloody charity festival for a Woodland trust ! I remember having to walk round site with a firemans axe while ppl asked for them to turn the noise down so that we wouldnt get closed down by the local council and their db meters...bloody rules lol
 * Chaosdruid (talk) 23:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Category for Renaming
 Cottonshirt  τ   10:09, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Media Coverage section / quotations
This is a note to say that I have been working on this article of late and at this juncture I am planning to remove much or even all of the quotations from the media section. There are several reasons for this:

 * The quotations make up pretty much the entire Media Coverage section and all contain highly partisan language that strongly advocates one side's POV. Therefore the neutrality of the section is compromised. There is obviously consensus against this from WP:NPOV and the essay WP:QUOTE also specifically advises against this particular usage of quotations. In addition Wikipedia is WP:NOTSOAPBOX or a means of promotion.

 * Wikipedia is not a directory (WP:NOTDIRECTORY), meaning that Wikipedia is not the place for collections of quotations which should be hosted at Wikiquote. WP:QUOTE also advises against the overuse of quotations. Since Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information (WP:INDISCRIMINATE), this also conflicts with isolated collections of quotations.

 * The majority of the citations are not cited which justifies their removal alone.Levelledout (talk) 20:42, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Tim Malyon listed at Redirects for discussion
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Anita Desai

Anita Desai (born Anita Mazumdar; 24 June 1937), is an Indian novelist and the Emerita John E. Burchard Professor of Humanities at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. As a writer she has been shortlisted for the Booker Prize three times. She received a Sahitya Akademi Award in 1978 for her novel Fire on the Mountain, from the Sahitya Akademi, India's National Academy of Literature. She won the British Guardian Prize for The Village by the Sea (1983). Her other works include The Peacock, Voices in the City, Fire on the Mountain and an anthology of short stories, Games at Twilight. She is on the advisory board of the Lalit Kala Akademi and a Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature, London.

Early life
Desai was born in 1937 in Mussoorie, India, to a German immigrant mother, Toni Nime, and a Bengali businessman, D. N. Mazumdar. Her Bengali father first met her German mother while he was an engineering student in pre-war Berlin; and they got married during a period when it was still unusual for an Indian man to marry a European woman. Shortly after their marriage, they moved to New Delhi, where Desai was raised with her two elder sisters and brother.

She grew up speaking Hindi with her neighbours, and only German at her home. She also spoke Bengali, Urdu and English out of her house. She first learned to read and write in English at school and as a result, English became her "literary language". She began to write in English at the age of seven and published her first story at the age of nine.

She was a student at Queen Mary's Higher Secondary School in Delhi and received her B.A. in English literature in 1957 from the Miranda House of the University of Delhi. The following year she married Ashvin Desai, the director of a computer software company and author of the book Between Eternities: Ideas on Life and The Cosmos.

They have four children, including Booker Prize-winning novelist Kiran Desai. Her children were taken to Thul (near Alibagh) for weekends, where Desai set her novel The Village by the Sea. For that work she won the 1983 Guardian Children's Fiction Prize, a once-in-a-lifetime book award judged by a panel of British children's writers.

Career
Desai published her first novel, Cry The Peacock, in 1963. In 1958 she collaborated with P. Lal and founded the publishing firm Writers Workshop. She considers Clear Light of Day (1980) her most autobiographical work as it is set during her coming of age and also in the same neighborhood in which she grew up.

In 1984, she published In Custody – about an Urdu poet in his declining days – which was shortlisted for the Booker Prize. In 1993, she became a creative writing teacher at Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

The 1999 Booker Prize finalist novel Fasting, Feasting increased her popularity. Her novel The Zigzag Way, set in 20th-century Mexico, appeared in 2004 and her latest collection of short stories, The Artist of Disappearance, was published in 2011.

Desai has taught at Mount Holyoke College, Baruch College, and Smith College. She is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature, the American Academy of Arts and Letters, and of Girton College, Cambridge (to which she dedicated Baumgartner's Bombay).

Film
In 1993, her novel In Custody was adapted by Merchant Ivory Productions into an English film by the same name, directed by Ismail Merchant, with a screenplay by Shahrukh Husain. It won the 1994 President of India Gold Medal for Best Picture and stars Shashi Kapoor, Shabana Azmi and Om Puri.

Awards

 * 1978 – Winifred Holtby Memorial Prize – Fire on the Mountain
 * 1978 – Sahitya Akademi Award (National Academy of Letters Award) – Fire on the Mountain
 * 1980 – Shortlisted, Booker Prize for Fiction – Clear Light of Day
 * 1983 – Guardian Children's Fiction Prize – The Village by the Sea: an Indian family story
 * 1984 – Shortlisted, Booker Prize for Fiction – In Custody
 * 1993 – Neil Gunn Prize
 * 1999 – Shortlisted, Booker Prize for Fiction: Fasting, Feasting
 * 2000 – Alberto Moravia Prize for Literature (Italy)
 * 2003 – Benson Medal of Royal Society of Literature
 * 2007 – Sahitya Akademi Fellowship
 * 2014 – Padma Bhushan

Novels

 * Cry, The Peacock (1963) Orient Paperbacks ISBN 978-81-222008-5-0
 * Voices in the City (1965), Orient Paperbacks, ISBN 978-81-222005-3-9
 * Bye-bye Blackbird (1971), Orient Paperbacks, ISBN 978-81-222002-9-4
 * Where Shall We Go This Summer? (1975), Orient Paperbacks, ISBN 978-81-222008-8-1
 * Fire on the Mountain (1977), Random House India, ISBN 978-81-840005-7-3
 * Clear Light of Day (1980), Random House India, ISBN 978-81-840001-5-3
 * In Custody (1984)
 * Baumgartner's Bombay (1988), Harper Perennial, ISBN 978-0618056804
 * Journey to Ithaca (1995), Random House India, ISBN 978-81-840007-7-1
 * Fasting, Feasting (1999), Random House India, ISBN 978-81-840005-8-0
 * The Zigzag Way (2004), Random House India, ISBN 978-81-840007-6-4
 * Rosarita (2024), Picador, ISBN 978-10-350444-3-6

Collections of novellas and short stories

 * Games at Twilight (1978), Vintage Publishing, ISBN 978-00-994285-3-4
 * Scholar and Gipsy (1996), Weidenfeld & Nicolson, ISBN 978-18-579976-5-1
 * Diamond Dust and Other Stories (2000), Vintage Books
 * Collected Stories (2008), Random House India, ISBN 978-8184000566
 * The Artist of Disappearance (2011), Mariner Books, ISBN 978-05-478401-2-3
 * The Complete Stories (2017), Chatto and Windus Penguin Random House UK, ISBN 978-1784741891

Children's books

 * The Peacock Garden (1974), Mammoth Books, ISBN 978-07-497059-2-3
 * Cat on a Houseboat (1976), Orient Longman, ISBN 978-08-612502-8-8
 * The Village by the Sea (1982), Penguin India, ISBN 978-01-433354-9-8

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Kemsing

Kemsing is a village and civil parish in the Sevenoaks district of Kent, England. The parish lies on the scarp face of the North Downs, 20 miles south east of Central London and 4 mi north east of Sevenoaks. Also in the parish there are the hamlets of Heaverham, 1 mi to the east and Noah's Ark 0.5 mi to the south. The population of the civil parish in 2001 was 4,014 persons, increasing to a population of 4,218 at the 2011 Census.

History
Kemsing was the birthplace of Saint Edith of Wilton, a daughter of the Anglo-Saxon King Edgar I between 961 and 964. The well at the centre of the village is dedicated to her, a plaque on the wall recording the local legend that her saintly presence has given the water healing properties. Given the village connection with St. Edith it is perhaps surprising that the parish church, Saxon in origin, is however dedicated to St Mary the Virgin. Another local legend states that the knights who murdered Archbishop Thomas Becket rode through Kemsing on their way to seek him out at Canterbury. Following his canonisation Kemsing became a stop-off place on the Pilgrims' Way, along which pilgrims travelled to visit the saint's shrine at Canterbury Cathedral.

The lordship of Kemsing had a long royal and noble association: it was held by King Henry II who passed it to Baldwin of Béthune, the Earl of Albemarle. It was acquired by the Earl of Pembroke by his marriage to Lady Alice, Baldwin's daughter. The manor passed later to the de Grandison and Fynes families, becoming part of the estates of Baron Say and Sele. In the reign of Edward IV, Kemsing was sold to Sir Geoffry Boleyn, father of the future queen Anne Boleyn, and later reverted to the crown. Briefly in possession of Anne of Cleves, it was then granted by Elizabeth I to Sir Henry Carey and eventually acquired by the Duke of Dorset.

The historic village centre area around the well includes the war memorial of 1921 (Grade II listed by the architect Godfrey Pinkerton), a cluster of picturesque cottages and St. Edith's Hall of 1911 (Grade II listed by the architect Godfrey Pinkerton), the front of which is adorned with a statue of the saint and a clock which chimes the hours and bears the inscription:

"'Tis mine Each passing hour to tell. 'Tis thine To use it ill or well."

The Women's Institute organisation opened its first institute in Kent in Kemsing in December 1915. During the first world war St Edith Hall was used as a hospital and staffed by the Kent Voluntary Aid Detachment. Wounded soldiers from the western front were returned to England and the hall at Kemsing was one of many facilities in the south east of England used during the war.

Local infrastructure
The main roads in the village are High Street, St Edith's Road, West End, Dynes Road and Childsbridge Lane. Along West End can be found a motor repairs garage, a 'Londis' convenience store that is also an Amazon collection point, and a chemist, In the High Street is a veterinary surgery and St. Edith's Social Club. In St Edith's Road there is a tearoom. At the end of Dynes Road there is a newsagent, a 'premier' convenience store, a hairdressers, three takeaway restaurants including Chinese, Indian and fish and chips, which are all collectively known as Dynes Parade.

High Street was the location of two public houses, The Bell and The Wheatsheaf, sited directly opposite each other. On 3 June 2011 The Wheatsheaf suffered a serious fire, leaving The Bell as the only public house in the village. The Wheatsheaf was demolished in October 2012 to make way for three private dwellings.

Further to the east at Heaverham is the Chequers.

One mile (2 km) south-east of the village lies Kemsing railway station. The M26 motorway passes through the parish. Between the motorway and the station lies the area of Kemsing known as Noah's Ark.

Kemsing is a key stopping-off point on the North Downs Way which runs north of the village along the ridge of the Downs.

Local environment
The village lies in an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty and Kemsing Down Reserve, managed by Kemsing Parish Council and Sevenoaks District Council, lies above Pilgrims Way on the North Downs. It is reached from Childsbridge Lane, and is an area of chalk grassland.

Sports facilities
To the east of the village is the large open space known as The Common Field, used for cricket and football, and the Sir Mark Collet Sports Pavilion, with tennis and squash courts.

The cricket club has been in existence probably since the early 20th century, though no records can be found to establish a firm date. Matches were played in the cricketing field, close to the current site before World War I. The Common Field was given to the parish in October 1923 by Sir Mark Collet, with football and cricket being played there after that. The cricketers used other parts of the village between 1945 and the late 1950s, but the new (current) pavilion was built in 1987, with a new square also being laid, which has been used since that time. There is also a boxing club that operates and participates in local boxing events.

Crime prevention
Kemsing has its own police community support officer and officers as well as being covered by regular police patrols. Neighbourhood officers hold frequent consultations with residents and Kent police. Crime in the Kemsing fell by 31 percent in the period 2010-2011.

Well dressing
In 2011, well dressing was introduced to the village and the 2014 well dressing (below right) commemorates World War I.

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Yvert et Tellier

Yvert et Tellier is a postage stamp dealer and a philatelic publishing company founded in 1895 in the northern French city of Amiens, where the head office is still located. The logo is a circle divided into a snowflake and a smiling sun. It is a pun on the name of the company: hiver, été liés ("winter, summer together") sounds a lot like the French pronunciation of Yvert et Tellier.

The family company was founded by Eugène Yvert in 1831 as a printing works for a legitimist newspaper. The switch to philately was decided 1895 by Eugène's grandson Louis Yvert and his chief printer Théodule Tellier. Nowadays the company is still run by the Yvert family.

Products
Yvert et Tellier's major product is a stamp catalog which is a reference for stamps and countries that are most collected by French philatelists: France, Andorra, Monaco, and the former French colonies and their philatelic history as independent states. In France, it is one of the most important philatelic publishing companies, along with Cérès and Dallay.

Continuing the old association between Louis Yvert and Théodore Champion, the Ancienne Maison Théodore Champion edits monthly and yearly a colour catalog of newly issued stamps from all over the world. Usually, Yvert catalogs for non-European countries were printed in black and white, but in 2008 they started with full color prints.

It is one of the international references as well, with Michel, Scott and Stanley Gibbons. The Yvert catalogs list stamps issued by all countries in the world, but for non-European countries, the volumes are organized in alphabetic order whereas the German company Michel uses a geographical classification.

Genesis and management successions
During the 1890s in Amiens, the Yvert family's printing works is the property of Louis Yvert, grandson of the founder, and his chief printer Théodule Tellier; Tellier kept the company running after the premature death of Louis' father. Louis did not like being in charge of the legimist paper founded by his father, L'Écho de la Somme. He discovered stamp collecting thanks to Tellier, a philatelist, who had already added a small philatelic newspaper, L'Écho de la timbrologie, to the papers printed by the company.

In 1895, Yvert and Tellier started getting involved in philatelic books. In November 1896 they published a worldwide catalog of stamps and a stamp album. The success was immediate because of their logical and permanent numbering, in contrast to most of their contemporaries, who changed the numbers in their catalogues upon discovering forgotten stamps.

In 1900, Yvert et Tellier associated with Paris stamp dealer Théodore Champion, who sold unused stamps from all over the world. He fixed the prices of the stamps sold by the company. After Champion's death in 1955, Pierre Yvert and the brothers Ladislas and Alexandre Varga bought Champion's company and the new firm continued to fix Yvert et Tellier's prices.

In April 1913, Tellier sold his share of the company to Louis Yvert because of the loss of his young grandson. Due to their friendship, Yvert decided that the catalog would continue to be named Yvert et Tellier.

During the 1920s and 1930s, Yvert prepared his two sons and his son-in-law to run the firm. Henri ran the printing works, his brother Pierre directed L'Écho de la timbrologie, and Jean Gervais took care of the publishing.

Pierre Yvert's and Jean Gervais' two grandsons have run the company since the 1990s.

Recent commercial history
Since 2001 the apparition of the Dallay catalog has had a major effect on the French philatelist public by providing larger pictures of stamps and information not found in the Yvert et Tellier catalogs, such as the name of the artiste and/or engraver, first date of issue, use, etc. Yvert has been fighting on two fronts: it has successfully defended the rights to its numbering system, and it distributes a free CD-ROM with its French stamp catalog.

Nevertheless, in March 2005, by urging of the French Conseil de la concurrence, Yvert agreed to sell the use of the Yvert stamp numbers to other publishers.

In June 2006 Yvert et Tellier published a new catalog of French stamps, a cheaper pocketbook version containing just pictures and prices, as did Cérès, the second main philatelic publishing company in France.

Genealogy of the Yvert family
The Yvert printing company and Yvert et Tellier editor have been ruling mostly by members of the Yvert family. This family tree presents the people who managed these two companies since they were found in the 19th century.

Eugène Yvert (circa 1794-1878), journalist, and founder of the printer company in Amiens where he moved to create a legimist paper. │ └──> Henry Yvert (died 1885), the company's owner after 1870, legitimist journalist too. │     └──> Louis Yvert (1866–1950), co-founder of the Yvert et Tellier catalog with Théodule Tellier. │          ├──> Henri Yvert (died 1956), manager of the printer plant. │              │           ├──> Jeanne Yvert │   married Jean Gervais (died 1974), a physician, then manager of the Yvert et Tellier publisher. │   │           │    └──> Jacques Gervais, président-directeur général of Yvert et Tellier. │        │           │         └──> Benoît Gervais, succeeded his father in 1993. │          └──> Pierre Yvert (1900–1964), manager of L'Écho de la timbrologie magazine. │               └──> Jean Yvert, succeeded his father and manager of the printer plant. │                    └──> Christophe Yvert, manager of the printer plant.

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Fats Pichon

Walter Gabriel Pichon (April 3, 1906 – February 25, 1967) professionally known as Fats Pichon, was an American jazz pianist, singer, bandleader, and songwriter.

Biography
Pichon was born and raised in New Orleans, Louisiana, and began playing piano in his childhood. He also played baritone horn in brass bands in his youth, already a professional musician by 1920.

He first went north about 1922, playing at various venues in New York City and New Jersey before settling in Boston for a few years where he studied at the New England Conservatory of Music. After touring the United States and Mexico with various bands in the mid-1920s, he settled again in his home town of New Orleans for the later part of the decade, leading bands under his own name at dance halls and on river boats on the Mississippi River. On visits back to New York he made some recordings, mostly as a vocalist on novelty numbers, with Luis Russell and other New Orleans groups.

In the 1930s, Fats Pichon led what some considered the best big band in New Orleans; it also made Mississippi Riverboat excursions. Musicians included young Dave Bartholomew. This band never recorded. In the 1940s he began a long gig as the house pianist at The Old Absinthe House, a popular venue on Bourbon Street in the French Quarter, where he remained until about 1960, with occasional tours of other parts of the U.S., Latin America, and the Caribbean. Pichon moved into the role of Eddie the Waiter, replacing comedian Eddie Green on the NBC weekly radio comedy Duffy's Tavern during the show's last season, 1950–1951. After several episodes the waiter's name was changed from 'Eddie' to 'Fats'.

He died in Chicago in 1967, aged 60.

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One

Welcome to WikiProject Formula One. We aim to create, expand, update and standardise Wikipedia articles related to Formula One.

Introduction
Anyone who would like to take part in WikiProject Formula One is welcome to do so. The project aims primarily to create and standardize complete articles on all people, teams, races, and other aspects of Formula One.

If you are interested, please feel free to help, and add your name to the list. If you have any questions, please inquire on the project's talk page.

Goals

 * 1) To divide the subject of Formula One into appropriate subtopics
 * 2) To gather complete and accurate information in all F1-related articles
 * 3) To standardize the appearance of F1-related pages, such as articles on Grands Prix, drivers, and constructors, as well as race reports and season summaries
 * 4) To maintain Portal:Formula One and keep all F1-related articles up-to-date
 * 5) To improve Formula One and as many related pages as possible to Featured Article standard

Members
Feel free to add yourself to the list. Once you've done this, you may want to put the Wikiproject:Formula One user box on your user page by adding User WP:F1.

How to help

 * Complete a task on one of the to-do lists:
 * WikiProject Formula One/Task template, which appears on the project's talk page template as well as the F1 Portal
 * WikiProject Formula One/To-do, the auxiliary list
 * Contribute during important moments by updating the articles and templates listed on the updates subpage when appropriate
 * Help with the management of Portal:Formula One
 * Contribute 'Did you know' items at Portal talk:Formula One/Did you know
 * Request an article by adding it to one of the to-do lists
 * Pick an old race report article and standardize it according to the guidelines below. A complete list may be found at List of Formula One races
 * Keep an eye on recent edits to all Formula One-related articles
 * Help clean-up articles here (outdated) or on the

Formula One and its series
The sport's primary article is the "top" article of a series which includes four other related topics. The Wikipedians who created these articles intended to divide the topic of Formula One into specific subtopics, and chose the four topics they thought would best accomplish this goal. The appropriateness of the subtopics is open to discussion.

All five articles should include the template Formula One at the top.

 * Formula One is the main article for the sport, including general information; summaries of the articles on history, cars, and racing; general sections on drivers/constructors, Grands Prix, and circuits; a section noting the important people in F1's history; a 'current season' section; and a section on the future of F1.
 * History of Formula One – the sport's history, in detail. This should include major regulation changes, major technical advances, and the most important drivers and constructors of each era.
 * Formula One cars – a detailed description of the modern F1 car. Information about historical F1 cars belongs in the History article.
 * Formula One racing – the schedule and procedure of an F1 Grand Prix weekend; information about racing strategy.
 * Formula One regulations – both current and historical information on the FIA's technical and sporting regulations.

Lists
There are twenty-one Formula One-related lists. These should be historically complete, and include the template Formula One. Each, when updated, should also be marked "Accurate as of [date]" in order to assist future editors.

 * List of Formula One broadcasters
 * List of Formula One circuits
 * List of Formula One constructors
 * List of Formula One Grand Prix winners (constructors)
 * List of Formula One drivers
 * List of Formula One drivers who set a fastest lap
 * List of Formula One polesitters
 * List of Formula One Grand Prix winners
 * List of female Formula One drivers
 * Formula One engines
 * List of Formula One fatalities
 * List of Formula One Grands Prix
 * List of Formula One World Championship points scoring systems
 * List of Formula One Promotional Trophy winners
 * List of Formula One records
 * List of Formula One driver records
 * List of red-flagged Formula One races
 * List of Formula One seasons
 * Formula One World Champions
 * List of Formula One World Constructors' Champions
 * List of Formula One World Drivers' Champions

Race reports
A long-term goal of this project is to create articles containing a summary of every World Championship race since the sport's inception in 1950, as well as every non-championship Formula One race since the category's original definition in 1946.

Thanks to a bot written by Bill Cook, articles containing full classifications of every past race now exist, but most need summaries and many need standardization.

The standard structure may be found at WikiProject Formula One/Example race report. The wikitext is annotated with comments and may be copied to assist with the creation of a new report.

The infobox templates to use for race report articles is Infobox Grand Prix race report, which caters for both championship and non-championship races. A cut-and-paste pro forma is available at the template doc page.

Each race report article is named "[Year] [ Race title]": e.g. 1980 Austrian Grand Prix, 1950 Indianapolis 500.

Seasons
All season summary articles contain, as a minimum: Articles for more recent seasons contain additional information. As a general rule, the current season article is in the "ideal" format; future season summary articles should use the same format.
 * an overview of the season
 * the overview section generally contains a calendar of that season's races. An upcoming season's article instead features a list of contracted races. This list is transformed into the more familiar calendar format once the FIA published one through its World Motor Sport Council. Even if that is a provisional one. But not earlier than that.
 * a table of entrants
 * a Drivers' Championship table
 * a Constructors' Championship table (from 1958 onwards)

Grands Prix (titular race articles, not individual race reports)
There should be a complete article on every race title which has been a part of the Formula One / World Championship calendar since the series started in 1950 (see List of Formula One Grands Prix). Keep in mind that the terms "Formula One Grand Prix", "Formula One race", and "World Championship race" have not always been synonymous – see Formula One for a detailed explanation.

If a race with a given title was only run once, the titular race article should redirect to the individual race's article, and the article should be structured like a race report.

Each article should contain:
 * At the top, an infobox:

 * History. This should cover all F1/WC races held under that name, and should note changes in venue, and the reasons for the change. The history should also cover races from other series held under the same name, if applicable.

 * A chronological list of winners in table format, including year, driver, constructor, location, and links to the relevant race reports, formatted thus:

 * If a race was run as a non-championship event in some years (e.g. Moroccan Grand Prix), then those years should be highlighted in pink in the results table.
 * If the races were held at the same circuit on successive years, rows in the "Location" column should be combined in the table by using "rowspan". Rows in other columns should not be combined, even if they contain same data in successive years (e.g. same driver winning a few years in a row).

 * At the bottom, the template Formula One Grands Prix.
 * All articles falling into this category (i.e. titular race articles, not individual race reports) should be also part of Category:Formula One Grands Prix.

Circuits

 * All F1 circuit articles (i.e. any circuit ever used for an F1 race) should include an infobox:
 * All articles on F1 circuits should be also part of Category:Formula One circuits.

Drivers

 * All articles on F1 drivers should be part of the relevant national subcategory of Category:Formula One drivers and should contain the infobox, Infobox F1 driver.

 * Example of Infobox F1 driver for a current driver (Fernando Alonso when he was still current):

 * Example of Infobox F1 driver for a former driver (Ayrton Senna):

Constructors

 * All constructors' articles should be categorised as Category:Formula One constructors. Current constructors should have an infobox, Infobox F1 team, at the top:

For a former F1 Team such as British American Racing, use Infobox former F1 team:

Cars

 * All Formula One car articles need to be categorised either under the general Category:Formula One cars or the specific manufacturer category, and should have an infobox, Infobox racing car, at the top:

For an unformatted, cut-and-paste pro forma, please see this template's doc page. For Formula One articles, most details should be available. Otherwise simply leave blank any unknown fields and enter n/a for irrelevant or highly variable fields. Many customer cars will have had highly variable set up, I would suggest using either the most common configuration (if such a thing exists) or simply stating a brief range of options in lieu of precise specifications.

People
... nothing yet :-)

Updating
Since Formula One is a constantly-changing subject, its pages need constant updating. Click here for a list of what needs to be updated and when.

Templates
Templates should be inserted using the syntax Formula One.
 * Navigation templates:
 * Formula One – top of Formula One, the articles in that series, and the six F1 lists.
 * Formula One teams – bottom of articles on currently active teams and drivers.
 * Formula One races – bottom of every Grand Prix article (i.e. every article listed on the template, and at List of Formula One Grands Prix).
 * Custom templates:
 * Infobox F1 team – top of all F1 constructor/team articles; see above.
 * Infobox F1 race – top of all generic Grand Prix articles (e.g. Australian Grand Prix); see above.
 * Infobox Grand Prix race report – top of all individual Grand Prix race report articles (e.g. 2014 Australian Grand Prix).
 * infobox F1 driver – top of all driver articles; see above.
 * Racing car – top of all car articles; see above.
 * F1 race report – bottom of all race report articles; see above.
 * Others:
 * F1 driver results legend 2 – to accompany World Championship results tables in F1 driver, team and car articles.
 * F1 driver results legend 3 – to accompany non-championship results tables in F1 driver, team and car articles.
 * F1 driver results legend 4 – to accompany results tables in season summary articles, e.g. 2005 Formula One season.
 * F1-stub – all Formula One-related stubs, except for biographies (F1-bio-stub). Use motorsport-stub for more general motorsport stubs.
 * WikiProject Formula One – this WikiProject's template; belongs at the top of the talk page of every F1-related article. For more details on its use, see WikiProject Formula One/Assessment.
 * WikiProject Formula One Member – for use on user pages.
 * User WP:F1 – userbox.
 * WikiProject Formula One Topicon – topicon.

Categories

 * Category:Formula One – F1-related articles which don't fit into one of the sub-categories listed below
 * Category:Formula One drivers – articles about any driver who has started in a Formula One race
 * Category:Formula One entrants – articles about entities which have entered Formula One races (commonly referred to as "teams", but also includes individuals)
 * Category:Formula One constructors – articles about constructors of chassis. Does not include teams which did not construct their own chassis, e.g. BMS Scuderia Italia
 * Category:Formula One engine manufacturers – articles about companies which have maufactured F1 engines
 * Category:Formula One circuits – articles about circuits, such as Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari
 * Category:Formula One Grands Prix – articles about a single race, such as Monaco Grand Prix
 * Category:Formula One non-championship races – articles about races run to World Championship regulations, but that were not eligible for Championship points, such as the BRDC International Trophy.
 * Category:Formula One races – articles about a specific race in a specific year, such as 2004 Monaco Grand Prix
 * Category:Formula One seasons – season review articles, such as 2004 Formula One season

Assessment
Statistics

Standard table formats
Standard formats for the driver and constructor/team summary tables are defined here.

Other conventions
Other conventions observed throughout the Formula One articles are listed here.

Parent project

 * WikiProject Motorsport

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User talk:Dusandz

Hey, Dusanedz, samo da te pozdravim :) --Dejan Cabrilo 16:35, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Article Improvement Belgrade
You may wish to vote for Belgrade at the Article Improvement Drive page, here. --estavisti 21:54, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Invitation
Hello! I invite you to join the WikiProject Serbia. All the best, -- serbiana -  talk  02:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

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