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Wilderness Road

The Wilderness Road was one of two principal routes used by colonial and early national era settlers to reach Kentucky from the East. Although this road goes through the Cumberland Gap into southern Kentucky and northern Tennessee, the other (more northern route) is sometimes called the "Cumberland Road" because it started in Fort Cumberland in Maryland. Despite Kentucky Senator Henry Clay's advocacy of this route, early in the 19th century, the northern route was selected for the National Road, connecting near Washington, Pennsylvania into the Ohio Valley of northern Kentucky and Ohio.

In 1775, Daniel Boone blazed a trail for the Transylvania Company from Fort Chiswell in Virginia through the Cumberland Gap. It was later lengthened, following Indian trails, to reach the Falls of the Ohio at Louisville. The Wilderness Road was steep, rough and narrow, and could be traversed only on foot or horseback. By contrast, wagons could travel along the National Road route (originally the Braddock Road blazed by the competing Ohio Company and George Washington circa 1750), particularly after the improvements.

Despite the adverse conditions, thousands of families used the Wilderness Road. In 1792, the new Kentucky legislature provided money to upgrade the road. In 1796, an improved all-weather road was opened for wagon and carriage travel. The road was abandoned around 1840 (construction on the National Road after Vandalia, Illinois also stopping owing to the Panic of 1837 and early railroad construction), although modern highways follow much of its route.

Early exploration
The first European explorers of the southern Appalachian Mountains were Spanish. Hernando de Soto and his troops traversed the region in 1540 and 1541 searching for gold.

The first recorded English explorations of the mountains were those of Abraham Wood, which began around 1650. Later, Wood sent exploring parties into the mountains. The Batts-Fallam expedition reached the New River Valley in 1671. In 1673, Wood sent Gabriel Arthur and James Needham to the Overhill Cherokee of modern Tennessee. The purpose was to try to make direct contact with the Cherokee for trade, so as to circumvent the Ocaneechee "middlemen" traders.

The expedition did reach the Overhill Cherokee area, but Needham was killed on the return trip. Gabriel Arthur was almost killed, but was rescued and adopted by a Cherokee chief. For his own safety, Arthur was then sent with one of the chief's raiding parties. For about a year, he traveled with the Cherokee throughout the Appalachians. He was probably the first European to visit modern West Virginia. In 1750, Dr. Thomas Walker, an investor in the Loyal Land Company, with five companions, made a famous exploration through the Cumberland Gap and into eastern Kentucky. The Loyal Land Company settled people in southwest Virginia, but not Kentucky.

In 1769, Virginia longhunter and explorer Joseph Martin made the first of several forays into the region. Acting as an agent for Dr. Thomas Walker, to whom Martin was connected through family relationships, Martin began an expedition to Powell's Valley in early 1769 in return for a promised 21000 acre land grant from Walker and the Loyal Land Company. Martin and his men built the earliest westernmost frontier fort at present-day Rose Hill, Virginia, a fort dubbed Martin's Station. Later that year Indians chased off Martin and his men, who returned to Albemarle County. Martin returned six years later to rebuild the fort, and a few months later became an agent for Richard Henderson's Transylvania Company.

In 1774, Richard Henderson, a judge from North Carolina, organized a land speculation company with a number of other prominent North Carolinians called the Transylvania Company. The men hoped to purchase land from the Cherokees on the Kentucky side of the Appalachian Mountains and establish a British proprietary colony. Henderson hired Daniel Boone, an experienced hunter who had explored Kentucky, to blaze a trail through the Cumberland Gap into central Kentucky.

Boone, the trailblazer
The Appalachian Mountains form a natural barrier to east–west travel. From New York to Georgia there are only five ways to travel to the west, with only three natural interior breaks allowing animal powered travel without great engineering works. These were the Gaps of the Allegheny and the several ways such as the Kittanning Paths in Pennsylvania, the Cumberland Narrows in northwestern Maryland host to Nemacolin's Path, and the Cumberland Gap in the four-state region of North Carolina and Virginia on the east side and through the gap, Tennessee and Kentucky.

While late 19th and 20th century technologies would later bridge the mountain chain in other places, these all required significant civil engineering works to make a road bed past the barrier range geologist classify as the ridge-and-valley Appalachians. Settlers from Pennsylvania tended to migrate south along the Great Wagon Road through the Great Appalachian Valley and Shenandoah Valley. Daniel Boone was from Pennsylvania and migrated south with his family along this road. From an early age, Boone was one of the longhunters who hunted and trapped among the Native American nations along the western frontiers of Virginia, so-called because of the long time they spent away from home on hunts in the wilderness. Boone would sometimes be gone for months and even years before returning home from his hunting expeditions.

Boone recommended three essentials for a pioneer: "A good gun, a good horse, and a good wife." He also would need a strong body, a sharp ax and good luck. Another essential was salt. Before 1776, it had to be shipped into the Thirteen Colonies from the West Indies at great expense. It was the only meat preservative available for men on the move and Kentucky had an extra lure with its large salt brine lakes near what is today the community of Boonesborough, Kentucky. The many "salt licks" of Kentucky are today reflected in the many place names in the state that use the words "lick" or "licking". Starting on March 10, 1775, Boone, along with 35 axmen, cut a trail from Long Island in Kingsport, Tennessee through the forests and mountains to Kentucky. It was a rough mud trail, hardly more than a path. The Transylvania Company had obtained title to Kentucky from the Cherokee and Iroquois, and even the Shawnee chief Cornstalk, defeated in Dunmore's War, had promised at the Treaty of Camp Charlotte on October 19, 1774, that his tribe would no longer hunt or claim land south of the Ohio River in Kentucky.

Notwithstanding this promise, the Shawnee viewed Boone and other settlers as invaders. On March 24, 1775, Boone and his party were only 15 mi from their final destination of the Kentucky River when they camped for the night. Just before daybreak a group of Shawnee, slinging tomahawks, attacked the sleeping men. Some of Boone's party were killed and a few were wounded but most were able to escape into the woods. Boone regrouped his men and managed to drive off the hostile Shawnee. The party lost some of their horses. Here Boone built a temporary open barricade with 6 to 7 ft high logs.

By the next year, the Shawnee had been joined by the Chickamauga Cherokee in the Cherokee–American wars with the settlers, which lasted until 1794.

Route
. The route of the Wilderness Road made a long loop from Virginia southward to Tennessee and then northward to Kentucky, a distance of 200 mi.

From the Long Island of the Holston River (modern Kingsport, Tennessee), the road went north through Moccasin Gap of Clinch Mountain, then crossed the Clinch River and crossed rough land (called the Devils Raceway) to the North Fork Clinch River. Then it crossed Powell Mountain at Kanes Gap. From there it ran southwest through the valley of the Powell River to the Cumberland Gap.

After passing over the Cumberland Gap the Wilderness Road forked. The southern fork passed over the Cumberland Plateau to Nashville, Tennessee via the Cumberland River. The northern fork split into two parts. The eastern spur went into the Bluegrass region of Kentucky to Boonesborough on the Kentucky River (near Lexington). The western spur ran to the Falls of the Ohio (Louisville). As settlements grew southward, the road stretched all the way to Knoxville, Tennessee, by 1792.

Western spur

Due to road realignments in many places modern roads do not always follow the old wilderness trails.

Skaggs Trace
The western spur of the Wilderness road was originally known as Skaggs' Trace, named after the longhunter Henry Skaggs. The trace began just outside Hazel Patch, in present-day Laurel County, and continued to Crab Orchard.

Logan's Trace
In 1775 Benjamin Logan's party, that included John Floyd, split with Daniel Boone's party and turned westward on Skaggs Trace. The trail went through the Crab Orchard approximately 10 miles where a Blockhouse was built to protect settlers in the area and named Logan's Fort. From there the trail went to the area that became Danville (1783) originally named Crow's Station in 1774, what would become Springfield (1793), Harrodsburg referred to as Harrod's Town or Oldtown and founded by James Harrod on June 16, 1774, abandoned and resettled in 1775, Bardstown (settled in 1780), Shepherdsville (founded as Bullitt's Lick in 1773), and the Falls of the Ohio.

Robert Emmett McDowell (1914–1975), Kentucky historian and Filson Historical Society member since 1956, claims there are errors in Filson's map. The map shows the trail leaving Louisville through Sullivan's Old Station, Kuvkendahl's Mill, the Fishpools to Bullitt's Lick, then through Bardstown to Danville. McDowell claims that originally the trail went through Harrodsburg not Danville, and Sullivan's Old Station and Kuykendahl's Mill were not on the main road but high water alternate paths. Further claims were made that the Wilderness Trail was improved after General George Rogers Clark landed at the Falls of the Ohio which would facilitate the movement of troops and supplies as well as settlers.

In 1784 Filson, also an historian, wrote The Discovery, Settlement and present State of Kentucke and an Essay towards the Topography, and Natural History of that important Country. Reuben Thomas Durrett indicates there are inaccuracies as well.

Dangers
Because of the threat of Native American attacks, the road was so dangerous that most pioneers traveled well armed. Robbers and criminals also could be found on the road, ready to pounce on weaker pioneers. Although the Transylvania Company had purchased the region from the Cherokee, and the Iroquois had ceded it at the Treaty of Fort Stanwix, other tribes, such as the Shawnee, still claimed it and lived there. Often entire communities and church congregations would move together over the road to new settlements. Hundreds of pioneers were killed by Indian attacks.

Defensive log blockhouses built alongside the road had portholes in the walls for firing at Native American attackers. They were often called "stations". No one knew exactly when the next attack would happen. The Shawnee came from the north, while the Chickamauga (Cherokees who rejected the land sale treaty) came from the south. The tribes were resentful of the settlers taking their ancestral hunting lands, and the French and Indian War had further stirred up their passions against the white man.

There was a great variety of animal life in the wilderness. At night, the pioneers could hear the hoots and screeches of owls, the howls of wolves, and the cries of panthers and wild cats. Sometimes the Native Americans imitated these sounds. Venomous snakes such as copperheads and rattlesnakes blended into the leaves and undergrowth and were a danger to the pioneers, their horses and cattle.

Settlement
Judge Richard Henderson had made a treaty with the Cherokee at Sycamore Shoals in 1775, purchasing over 20000000 acre of land between the Cumberland and Kentucky Rivers. On March 28, 1775, he left Long Island (Kingsport, Tennessee) with about 30 horsemen on the grueling trip down the Wilderness Road to Kentucky. At Martin's Station 40 to 50 additional pioneers joined the venture. On their way, they met nearly a hundred refugees fleeing Native American attacks further down the road.

Despite the danger, the party kept going toward Kentucky. Since some of the streams were flooded, the pioneers had to swim with their horses. On April 20, they arrived at Boonesborough, a fortified town, named by Judge Henderson in honor of Boone. After 1770, a surge of over 400,000 Scots-Irish immigrants arrived in the colonies to escape the poor harvest, high rents and religious intolerance of Ulster. Since the better lands had already been taken, they constantly pressed onward to the western frontier of the foothills of the Carolinas.

The flood of Scots-Irish, German, and others immigrants kept coming. Over 200,000 pioneers came over the Wilderness Road, enduring severe hardships. In the winter of 1778–79, the weather was so cold that the Kentucky River froze to a depth of two feet. The frontier settlements alongside the road struggled to survive. Many of the cattle and hogs froze to death. The settlers had to eat frozen cattle and horses to survive.

Often the Chickamauga, under the leadership of Dragging Canoe, would hide in ambush for weeks between Cumberland Gap and Crab Orchard, a distance of 100 mi. They would not attack large groups but wait for weaker ones who were not able to defend themselves. More than 100 men, women and children were killed in the fall of 1784 along the Wilderness Road. Many families, even in ice and snow, crossed the creeks and rivers without shoes or stockings; they often had no money and few clothes. They lived off the land by hunting in the woods and by fishing in the streams.

Since they had hardly any money, entire families sometimes walked hundreds of miles after landing in America. They even used cattle as pack animals to carry their heavy loads. Cabins were built and land was cleared of trees and undergrowth so crops could be planted.

Chestnut was the most popular wood since its logs could be used to build cabins and rail fences to protect crops from wild animals. It could easily be split into shingles for roofs to cover cabins and barns. Its bark was used to make medicine and tannic acid for tanning and dyeing. In the fall, its rich nuts were used to fatten razorback hogs for the market and the home. Hemlock was also highly valued for its many uses.

Commerce and mail
The Wilderness Road served as a great path of commerce for the early settlers in Kentucky, as well as for wagon-loads of slaves being transported through Tennessee to plantations in Mississippi and Louisiana. Horses, cattle, sheep and hogs herded in the other direction found waiting markets in the Carolinas, Maryland and Virginia. Hogs in groups of 500 or more were driven down the Road to market. Beef in Eastern markets had become a main source of income for farmers in Kentucky.

A postal road was opened in 1792 from Bean Station, Tennessee through Cumberland Gap to Danville, Kentucky. This was due largely to the efforts of Governor Isaac Shelby of Kentucky. This connection of Kentucky to the East was a great advantage. Frontier settlers considered the postal riders heroes and waited eagerly for their arrival for news from settlements along the trails as well as getting their mail and newspapers.

Civil War and decline
Use of the Wilderness Road fell when the National Road was opened in 1818, allowing travel to the Ohio River on more level ground from the East. The Panic of 1837, geology and new railroad technology doomed the James River Canal, once envisioned as augmenting this commercial route. At the same time, the steamboat first appeared on the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers, allowing faster and cheaper travel both up and down the rivers. During the 1850s, the Virginia and Tennessee Railroad was constructed along part of this route.

During the American Civil War, both the Union Army and the Confederate States Army used the Wilderness Road. An early battle (Camp Wildcat), stymied the first Confederate attempt to seize control of neutral Kentucky. The Cumberland Gap changed hands four times throughout the war. Southern troops used the road for marches into Virginia. General Ulysses S. Grant came down the road for the Union campaign in Tennessee in 1864. Grant was so taken by the Road that he said, "With two brigades of the Army of the Cumberland I could hold that pass against the army which Napoleon led to Moscow."

Preservation

A segment of the Wilderness Road was among the first roads in the United States to be paved. The old road from the town of Cumberland Gap, Tennessee to Middlesboro, Kentucky through the mountain pass was paved and completed on October 3, 1908. This was an "object-lesson" road (a new kind of paved macadam construction funded by local communities but with federal governmental supervision) initiated by the U.S. Office of Public Roads. At that time, only about 680 mi of paved roads existed in the United States. Its name was later changed to U.S. Route 25E. This new road brought a new industry, tourism, to the rural areas filling hotels and restaurants with travelers. Cumberland Gap is a National Historical Park, and portions of the Wilderness Road can be visited at Wilderness Road State Park in Virginia. Additionally, a reconstructed fort at Martin's Station in Virginia on the Wilderness Road can be visited about 5 mi east of the Cumberland Gap. Since the completion of the Cumberland Gap Tunnel in 1996, a project has been underway to restore the original appearance of the Wilderness Road as it crosses the historic Cumberland Gap.

Since 2001, Hwy. 25E has been obliterated over several miles of its length and the original grade restored, including the addition of 32 ft of elevation to restore the Gap to its original contour, with virtually all modern artifacts, buildings and roads removed. The replanting of thousands of seedlings from original forest stocks in the area is intended, over a period of decades, to recreate a forest that will allow visitors to view the crossing of the Gap on the Wilderness Road as travelers would have experienced it circa 1790. This section of the Wilderness Road is now a hiking trail, including an interpretive center about the road's history located on the Tennessee side.

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Talk:Z Pulsed Power Facility

foam cylinder
From 81.62.242.92; The magnetic pulse crushes an array of tungsten wires into (?inside?) a foam cylinder that produces x-rays.

see

Duk 15:11, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Z machine as a particle accelerator

 * The Z machine may also be used as a particle accelerator. It gets its name because current travels vertically into the target, which is conventionally the z axis (x and y being horizontal).

How do the meanings of these sentences connect? The "current" here is the movement of electrons, and so in that way the Z machine is a particle accelerator? Does this make the Z machine comparable in function to CERN? ✈ James C. 16:57, 2004 Oct 26 (UTC)

 * good point. The sandia website mentioned that it could be used as a particle accelerator, but didn't give and examples, so i removed the sentance. Duk 19:19, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

From where comes the plasma?
Needs to say where the plasma comes from - is it produced prior to the main event or is it a side effect of the vaporization of the tungsten wires? Leonard G. 05:28, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think the plasma refers to the superheated tungsten wires collapsing on themselves. In reality the wires aren't collapsing all at once; their outer layers are going in first while the inner cores of the wires remain relatively intact. The cores do eventually move inward as well, however. -- brian0918 ™  11:39, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

2GK production timeline

 * In 2006, the Z Machine produced plasmas with temperatures in excess of 2 GK (109 K) or 3.6 billion oF. Project scientists were doubtful about the results, but after fourteen months of computer modeling and further tests, they have concluded that the results are, indeed, valid.

I don't exactly understand how 14 months of testing could be done if this was first done in 2006, anyone understand the timeline here a bit better? Perhaps it should be "In 2005"... Leebert 02:23, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Unknown Energy
Can someone add a comment on the recent finding as described on Sandia's website and the theory Haines suggests.

"Ordinarily, in non-nuclear reactions, output energies are less — not greater — than the total input energies. More energy had to be getting in to balance the books, but from where could it come?

Second, and more unusually, high ion temperatures were sustained after the plasma had stagnated — that is, after its ions had presumably lost motion and therefore energy and therefore heat — as though yet again some unknown agent was providing an additional energy source to the ions."

http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/news-releases/2006/physics-astron/hottest-z-output.html

 * I'd say the press release was written by a journalist without an inkling of science understanding and not much more journalistic ability: Z is housed in a flat-roofed building about the size and shape of an aging high-school gymnasium. How does the size and shape of a gymnasium change with age? --Art Carlson 20:05, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Is there some debate as to the accuracy of the reported findings? The contact listed is Neal Singer who is a science writer for Sandia National Laboratories. He specializes in pulsed power research, computing (modeling and simulation), basic research, the Laboratory-Directed R&D program, and the Microsystems and Engineering Sciences Application (MESA) facility and research?

 * What's the matter? You gotta problem with ad hominem arguments or somethin? ; )

 * Singer, as illustrated by your quotes, makes the results sound like some kind of over unity device. The real situation is interesting, but hardly dramatic. It's not a question of a mysterious surplus of energy, but only of how the magnetic energy, which is undoubtably present, gets converted to thermal energy. According to this report, the overall efficincy is 10 to 15%. (See also Haines' abstract.) --Art Carlson 14:17, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

How about adding something to that effect to the article? It is significant, if only to address the concerns you raise over the wording of the press release?

Confusing sentence
What isthis sentence suppose to mean? "The Z machine is now able to propel small plates at 34 kilometers a second, faster than the 30 kilometers per second that Earth travels in its orbit around the Sun, and three times Earth's escape velocity."

It is worded poorly.... I wasnt aware the machine could propel stuff... I thought it only crushed them with xrays

The machine uses the energy that is normaly produced to well, crush things with X-rays is put into a coil/railgun to propel things. 71.196.157.153 (talk) 12:24, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Power question
"Z releases 80 times the world's electrical power usage during its short burst." -- world's power usage over what time period? 68.170.53.236 04:15, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * updated with information from http://www.sandia.gov/media/NewsRel/NR1999/thermo.htm. Duk 04:59, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Power usage over a time period is energy, making the comparison with the Z machine's power meaningless. -- 140.158.48.243 18:07, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * yes, power usage over time is energy. But the sentence is a power rating, during a brief period of time, not an energy rating. Duk 18:26, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * This sentence is indeed meaningless as it stands - how can something which itself contributes to the world's power usage produce more than that figure?

 * Its not meaningless. the instantaneous power output of Z is incredibly high (hundreds of trillions of watts) the instantaneous power output of the worlds electric power plants is far below that. I think you are misunderstanding the definition of power (physics). --Deglr6328 19:54, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Z machine upgrades
Cool article, not enough time/knowledge to add it to the article -Ravedave 14:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Z Machine Pictures
http://www.sandia.gov/news/resources/releases/2007/rapid-fire-pulse.html

The pictures on this page are free to use according to the author. Are any of them good for the article? M@$+ @   Ju  ~  ♠  03:25, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Highest man-made temperature?
It says that the 2 billion kelvin is the highest man-made temperature. This is not true. They have already created trillion kelvin temperatures in RHIC (Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider) in the form of quark-gluon plasma.
 * For how many "particles" ? Croquant 16:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed the section altogether. The claim is generally believed to result from a misinterpretation (interpreting the kinetic energy as temperature). Since the original publication 16 years ago, no other peer-reviewed study has claimed anything even remotely close to that figure. Evgeny (talk) 16:31, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

History?
A History section would we wonderful. What lead to the creation the Z Machine? Who was behind the creation of the Z Machine? How has the Z Machine changed over time? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.179.217.154 (talk) 05:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Desmond Hume? Seriously?
Operated by Desmond Hume of Sandia National Laboratories, it gathers data to aid in computer modeling of nuclear weapons. The Z machine is located at Sandia's main site in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Desmond Hume>? The link is to the Lost character page so this is obviously some prank or vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.163.163.17 (talk) 00:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Dead Goldfish vandalism
"The end result of the program (scrapped in 2011) was the destruction of a goldfish named Frank." <-- located at the end of the article.

This is not referenced and seems to be vandalism. I've removed it from the article on 28/06/2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabrieldillon (talk • contribs) 20:35, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Right Opposition

This is a bad enbtry at the present. it jumps about from country to country and pays little attention to chronology. basic facts are incorrect too. Thus the ILLA dissolved in 1941 not 1940. And the BOC was not in the ICO just as MN Roy wasn't either. Basically anyone contributing any more to this needs to read Alexanders bok first and then draft out a structure for the entry until then.....

Jock Haston — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.67.65 (talk) 04:16, 25 October 2004 (UTC)

IVKO?
Was the IVKO the same as the International Communist Opposition? If so, the article should be moved to its correct name. --Soman 10:57, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Praise!
The Emergence section first paragraph is very clarifying! Praises to the authors!  Said: Rursus   ☻   07:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

India?
I added an OR tag on the "India" section. Is there any source for the comparison between US and Indian splits? Also, I removed the mention of current CPI(M) and Forward Bloc. Neither are particularily similar to the ICO, nor do they trace their roots to ICO. --Soman (talk) 20:21, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

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Arsenal de Sarandí

Arsenal Fútbol Club, usually referred as Arsenal de Sarandí , or simply Arsenal, is an Argentine sports club from the Sarandí district of Avellaneda Partido, Greater Buenos Aires.

The football team currently plays in Primera División, the top division of the Argentine football league system. The squad plays its home games at the Estadio Julio H. Grondona, named after one of the founders, which has a capacity of 16,000. It opened in 1964 but was not used in the First Division until 2004. The club's colours are red and light blue, in honour of the traditional teams of Avellaneda (Independiente and Racing). Arsenal won its first Primera División championship in 2012. Until then, club's major title had been the Copa Sudamericana win in 2007.

Apart from football, the club hosts other sports such as field hockey, futsal, and handball.

The beginning
The club was founded in January 1957 by brothers Héctor and Julio Humberto Grondona, inspired by the English club Arsenal. Not only does it share its name with the eponymous Gunners of North London, the stories of the naming of the two clubs are very similar – both had military arsenals nearby. The team's shirt colour is light blue with a diagonal red band (similar to the shirt used by River Plate). The colours were chosen as a combination of the two older clubs in Avellaneda – Racing (light blue) and Independiente (red).

Julio Grondona went on to become president of Independiente, and then, in 1979, president of the Argentine Football Association, until 2014. He was also a vice-president of FIFA. Héctor Grondona, and then son Julio Ricardo, became presidents of Arsenal.

The club's best known former player is Jorge Burruchaga, who started his career at Arsenal in 1979, and had several stints as coach. Burru, as he is nicknamed, scored the winning goal for Argentina in the 1986 FIFA World Cup final against Germany.

Arsenal's football team was promoted to successively higher divisions in 1962, 1986 and 1992, finally reaching the Primera División in 2002.

On 6 September 2006, Arsenal and Spanish club FC Barcelona (Barça) struck a deal whereby in exchange for the option to acquire young players that have not played more than one year in the Arsenal first team, Barça would help to improve Arsenal's infrastructure.

A member from Barça was to oversee the project, and visit the club on a monthly basis. This deal, however, fell through in 2007, reportedly because Arsenal could not afford the infrastructure to keep up with the plan.

International tournaments
The club's first appearance in an international tournament was in 2004, when, coached by Burruchaga, Arsenal reached the Quarter-finals of the Copa Sudamericana, eliminating Banfield and River Plate before losing to Bolivian club, Bolívar in its first ever official tie with a non-Argentine team.

Arsenal's results in the Apertura and Clausura of the 2006–07 season, qualified them for two major international tournaments, the secondary 2007 Copa Sudamericana and the top 2008 Copa Libertadores, the first time in their history that Arsenal qualified for South America's premier club tournament.

Arsenal's run through the 2007 Copa Sudamericana would lead Sports Illustrated to declare them "the underdog that couldn't be stopped". They beat reigning Argentine champions San Lorenzo in the qualifying round to earn a place in the Round of 16 where it faced Brazilian team Goiás. Arsenal won 3–2 in Brazil and recorded a 1–1 draw in the second leg to win the tie 4–3 on aggregate, achieving its first official victory over foreign opposition. Arsenal then met Mexican side Guadalajara in the quarter-finals, with a 0–0 draw at home, and a 3–1 victory at Estadio Jalisco. Advancing to the semi-finals, Arsenal met the other Argentine team still in the running, River Plate. Both games against River ended 0–0, Arsenal progressing to the final after winning the penalty shootout 4–2, with a number of saves from Mario Cuenca, Arsenal's goalkeeper.

In the first leg of the 2007 Copa Sudamericana final, Arsenal beat Club América of Mexico 3–2 at Estadio Azteca. Their upcoming home field advantage was mitigated by the fact that the second match could not be held in the Estadio Julio H. Grondona, because its capacity of 16,300 did not meet the CONMEBOL criteria of 40,000 for major finals. The game was finally held at the Estadio Juan Domingo Perón in Avellaneda. Arsenal entered the match without captain Carlos Castiglione, who was suspended due to a red card in the first leg. With these mitigating factors, Arsenal needed to avoid letting Club América win by a two-goal margin. The match started badly for the Argentine team when Christian Díaz scored an own goal inside the first 20 minutes. José Luis Calderón then hit the woodwork twice for Arsenal. In the 2nd half Arsenal conceded a second goal, but with only 7 minutes remaining Martín Andrizzi scored, giving Arsenal their first major title on the away goals rule.

Arsenal was not as successful in the 2008 Copa Libertadores, which started the month after their 2007 Copa Sudamericana. However, on 30 July 2008, Arsenal won its second international cup, the Suruga Bank Championship, which they qualified for as Copa Sudamericana champion. The rival was J.League Cup champions Gamba Osaka from Japan. After a hard match, captain Carlos Casteglione scored the only goal with a precise header on the 86th minute of play.

First domestic titles
Arsenal won its first championship on 24 June 2012 after defeating Belgrano de Córdoba 1–0 with a goal scored by Lisandro López. The squad totalized 38 points over 19 games played, with 11 matches won and only 3 defeats. Arsenal also became the first team to win a Primera División title after playing in the five divisions that Argentine football league system is made of. As champions, Arsenal classified for the Supercopa Argentina, a one-match tournament between the Primera División and the Copa Argentina winners. On 7 November 2012 Arsenal defeated Copa Argentina champions Boca Juniors 4–3 by penalties after a 0–0 draw.

Arsenal won the Copa Argentina on 16 October 2013 by defeating San Lorenzo de Almagro 3–0 in a final match played at the Catamarca Province

Stadium
The Estadio Julio H. Grondona in Sarandí has a capacity of 36,300, and is known as el Viaducto (The Viaduct). It is located at 3660 Juan Díaz De Solís in Sarandí.

Arsenal's first stadium was started to be built on 11 October 1962, officially opening on 22 August 1964. When Arsenal won promotion to the Primera, its basic concrete stadium was deemed unfit for the league and the team played at the grounds of Lanús and Racing for two seasons until work on the stadium was complete. The remodeled stadium (named "Julio Humberto Grondona") was opened on 7 August 2004 with a party for the fans. The first game was against Banfield in the Copa Sudamericana. The new stadium has witnessed defeats of the biggest teams in Argentine football such as Boca Juniors and River Plate.

Current squad
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Former coaches

 * 🇦🇷 Oscar López
 * 🇦🇷 Juan Emilio Elena (1961–72)
 * 🇦🇷 Roberto Iturrieta (1973–74)
 * 🇦🇷 Juan Emilio Elena (1974–82)
 * 🇦🇷 Roberto Iturrieta (1983–84)
 * 🇦🇷 Juan Emilio Elena (1985–89)
 * 🇦🇷 Roberto Iturrieta (1989–94)
 * 🇦🇷 Roberto Ferreiro (1994–95)
 * 🇦🇷 Humberto Grondona (1995)
 * 🇦🇷 Roberto Iturrieta (1995–97)
 * 🇦🇷 Roberto Ferreiro (1997–98)
 * 🇦🇷 José María Bianco (1998–01)
 * 🇦🇷 Roberto Mariani (2001)
 * 🇦🇷 Jorge Burruchaga (1 Jan 2002 – 30 June 2005)
 * 🇦🇷 José María Bianco (1 July 2005 – 22 March 2006)
 * 🇦🇷 Luis de Luise (interim) (2006)
 * 🇦🇷 Miguel Ángel López (2006)
 * 🇦🇷 Gustavo Alfaro (1 Dec 2006 – 30 June 2008)
 * 🇦🇷 Daniel Garnero (1 July 2008 – 26 April 2009)
 * 🇦🇷 Jorge Burruchaga (1 May 2009 – 30 April 2010)
 * 🇦🇷 Carlos Ruiz (interim) (1 May 2010 – 30 June 2010)
 * 🇦🇷 Gustavo Alfaro (1 July 2010 – 14 April 2014)
 * 🇦🇷 Martín Palermo (18 April 2014 – May 2015)
 * 🇦🇷 Ricardo Caruso Lombardi (May 2015 – Nov 2015)
 * 🇦🇷 Sergio Rondina (Nov 2015 – Nov 2016)
 * 🇦🇷 Lucas Bernardi (Nov 2016 – Dec 2016)
 * 🇦🇷 Humberto Grondona (Dec 2016 – Dec 2017)
 * 🇦🇷 Sergio Rondina (Jan 2018 – Aug 2021)

League

 * Primera División (1): 2012 Clausura
 * Primera B Nacional (1): 2018–19
 * Primera C (1): 1964
 * Primera D (1): 1962

Cup

 * Copa Argentina (1): 2012–13
 * Supercopa Argentina (1): 2012

International

 * Copa Sudamericana (1): 2007
 * Suruga Bank Championship (1): 2008

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Jelon Vieira

Jelon Vieira is a Brazilian choreographer and teacher who, in 2000, achieved recognition by New York City's Brazilian Cultural Center as a pioneer in presenting to American audiences the Afro-Brazilian art and dance form, Capoeira.

In 1975, Vieira and fellow choreographer/performer Loremil Machado became the first capoeira mestres to live and teach in the United States. Vieira states that their first jobs in New York were doing capoeira demonstrations in Bronx public schools and that he spent the summer of 1975 doing weekly demonstrations in Central Park. His early supporters included choreographer Alvin Ailey, off-Broadway theater pioneer Ellen Stewart, and Brooklyn schoolteacher and martial artist Robert Cooper. In the 1970s, Vieira and Machado taught and performed in multiple locations across New York City, with notable venues including the Clark Center for the Performing Arts and "for four or five years," a weekly performance set to jazz music at the Cachaça nightclub on East 62nd Street.

For over a quarter century, as the founder and artistic director of The Capoeira Foundation, Vieira has guided the dance company, DanceBrazil through critically acclaimed engagements across the United States, including performances at Spoleto Festival USA, the Kennedy Center and Lincoln Center. The company has also toured in Europe, Asia and Brazil and has been featured on the PBS documentary series, EGG, the Arts Show and Alive from Off-Center.

Vieira has worked with numerous major cultural institutions, including NYC's Caribbean Cultural Center and San Antonio's Carver Community Cultural Center. In 1999, City Lore, a New York City community organization, inducted him into its Hall of Fame for lifetime contribution. In addition to his solo performances and works for DanceBrazil, his choreographic credits include the films Brenda Starr, Rooftops, and Boomerang.

For Times Square 2000, the globally televised, multinational 24-hour dance marathon in New York City, Vieira was chosen to create the only Brazilian performance. He has been a guest master teacher at Yale University, Oberlin College, Columbia University, Princeton University, Stanford University and other institutions.

In 2000, he was the Bacardi Distinguished Visiting Eminent Scholar at the University of Florida in Gainesville. He has taught Capoeira to legendary footballer Pelé and American movie stars Wesley Snipes and Eddie Murphy. Snipes, himself a top martial arts practitioner, has described Vieira as one of "the masters of the martial arts of the 20th century".

He is a recipient of a 2008 National Heritage Fellowship awarded by the National Endowment for the Arts, which is the United States government's highest honor in the folk and traditional arts.

Upon returning to Brazil, in his home community of Boca do Rio, a bairro of the nation's third-largest city, Salvador, Vieira continues to teach children and young adults the art of Capoeira to build self-esteem, instill self-discipline and raise social consciousness while at the same time becoming a vital part of their own community. In 2007, after having devoted many years to Grupo Capoeira Brasil, he founded Grupo Capoeira Luanda.

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Talk:Myoclonic twitch

I'm not certain that myoclonic twitches are necessarily tied to sleep. From my reading, it appears that the myoclonic twitches that preceed are called hypnic jerks. If myoclonic jerks are not really sleep related, I believe that this article should be removed from the "sleep" category. I don't feel that I'm well enough learned in the area to make the determination, though. Anyone else have any better knowledge? Amoore 04:21, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)

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WikiProject Organizations
Hello, I added my comments on the talk page. You are currently creating the WikiProject-structure as in WikiProject Military history? Hope to hear from you. Best regards, Brz7 22:25, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Redir
No problem! I suppose your best bet would be either the talk page of the place it originally redirected to, or WP:RFD.  > R a d i a n t <  15:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Combining Organizations with Companies and Corporations (dropping corp from title)
Hi.

I would love to work with you on this. There has been a merge tag at Notability for Organizations and discussions at the talk page for both pages for some time, but the discussion had lagged. I brought the subject up at both pages in December or late November, and then the discussion was merged to Companies with a redirect message posted at Organizations. The conversation soon regressed into specifics rather than looking at the big picture, then went dormant. In mid-January I suggested that we end the discussion on the merger by the end of January and make a decision as to whether we should develop text for a combined page, with the goal of completion to be mid February.

I had also proposed a very simple set of guidelines in my initial message, but it seems to be too simplistic, and at minimum should be more consistent with the central criteria for notability.

My concern is that we have too many specialty criteria in potentially conflicting locations. In an attempt to be very specific, we have become very ambiguous, since most situations can be seen as fitting into multiple categories and the notability projects have diverged as they evolved.

Sincerely,

Kevin --Kevin Murray 20:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

A brief question: do you consider companies to be a subset of organizations? --Kevin Murray 20:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, I agree, and thus see them as pertinent to the same critieria as other organizations, thus the advocacy of the merger at notability. --Kevin Murray 21:10, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

At Company there is a good discussion of the varying worldwide definition of "Company." This is consistent with our understanding. --Kevin Murray 21:13, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

CfD
Hi there! At the CfD for Organizations by geography, etc., would you mind giving a link to the renaming discussion about the "brand new organizations category scheme"? We could use some context. Thanks. Her Pegship  (tis herself) 01:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Okey dokey. Thanks for the link. Cheers, Her Pegship  (tis herself) 06:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: WikiProject Assessments
WP:PROJGUIDE should have most of what you need. Kirill Lokshin 16:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

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Hello, I left a couple of days ago some ideas in the Categories Talk page (Aims and Legal Status categories) and in the main talk page of the project about IOs and IGOs from a legal point of view. Tell me what you think when you have the time  Dao  ken  19:07, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

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Hi Oldsoul - first I want to thank you for your persistent moderation during the first two months of "An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything". I think you've done a great deed to Wikipedia and the public, in two ways: (1) you've made sure the stub stays, and (2) you've helped adding valuable material to it. -- Since the article was quiet for a while, the bloggers were quiet since X-mas, and I believe everything that should be said for now was said (and a lot more was said that probably shouldn't have been said ... that's the sad part of the story) I've posted a full rewrite of the article. Please see whether it is agreeable, whether I've done mistakes (please correct), and for my motivation see the talk page. Thanks again for your great work! Jens Koeplinger (talk) 05:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Artificial island

Canal construction resulting in artificial islands?
The article states:
 * Another, less distinctive, type of artificial island is formed by the incidental isolation of an existing piece of mainland by canal construction.

Is this really so? I would understand a reference to phenomenas as for instance the Curonian Lagoon, that however isn't artificial, but canals... aren't they too narrow? --Johan Magnus 22:36, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, this particular phenomenon isn't terribly interesting, hence the words : less distinctive, incidental; however, it is one way that an island is artificially created and a piece of land is surrounded by water. For examples, see Dithmarschen and particularly Marble Hill, Manhattan, New York, which shows a real complex history: first a part of Manhattan Island, then isolated for about twenty years, and finally reconnected with the opposite shore of the Bronx. This of course was a recipe for municipal chaos. It wasn't really clear what borough it was now in; when a judge found it to be legally still a part of Manhattan in the 1930s the Bronx Borough President declared it 'the Bronx Sudetenland' (things worked out a little more peacefully here). The Romans also created one from the Tiber, called Isola Sacra, the holy island. Anyway, sometimes interesting (like Marble Hill), usually not so much, I think its something that should get a mention in this article.--Pharos 00:08, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for your interesting answer. Dithmarschen is the only example physically close to me (200 miles), and in that case it wouldn't at all correpsond with my understanding. It would be, to me, similar to say that North-America was made an "island" through the digging of the Panama Canal. --Johan Magnus 00:27, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

An expanded islet = artificial island?
The article claims, that...

...it is usually constructed on an existing reef or may be an expansion of a small natural islet.

But is this so? An islet is a small island, so why would an artificially expanded natural islet turn it into an artificial island? Ellis Island do not actually belong to this article.--Huaiwei 15:12, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Artificial island here does not exclusively refer to structure that is entirely man-made. — Instantnood 15:22, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Precisely why I am asking this question. Is this statement verified?--Huaiwei 15:34, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

If no one is able to provide verification by the end of next week, I will go ahead and correct the article and List of artificial islands accordingly.--Huaiwei 16:30, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I guess the first thing you'd have to do is to ask why Ellis Island is considered an artificial island on the Wikipedia article, and possibily many websites and encyclopædias, at talk:Ellis Island. — Instantnood 16:35, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * This is simply because when one authoritative source makes a mistake, others are prone to follow. How many websites (besides those which feed on wiki's articles) and encyclopedias make the above mistake? Do list them out here.

 * If I may quote from encarta :
 * Ellis Island, complex of one natural and two artificial islands, joined by causeways, in Upper New York Bay, northeastern New Jersey and southeastern New York, near Manhattan.
 * To therefore call Ellis Island an artificial island is only partly correct. If one may look at maps, aerial pictures and satelite images  of the island, even that definition by Encarta is in doubt, because it is evidently clear, that the "complex of islands" is in actual fact just one. The US Supreme Court judgement over its ownership  does not talk about three islands, but one expanded island. The official website of Ellis Island makes no mention of it being so, nor of its "artificial island" status . Non of the sources listed in the Ellis Island page support Encarta's view either. In fact, this page  has an excellent diagram on the land reclamation profile of Ellis island over the years. Three islands? An artificial island? Hardly.
 * Is anyone able to provide any data or sources to counter any of the points above?--Huaiwei 17:50, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Ellis Island is 90% artificial; it is much more artificial island than natural island. Most "traditional" artificial islands have been built on some existing natural structure, either a reef or a tiny bit of stone or dirt sticking above the water.--Pharos 17:41, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * As I constantly say above, please provide any source which states that an "artificial island" includes one which was expanded from an existing island. Also, please show any source which tell us the % of landfill needed before the island "becomes" artificial.--Huaiwei 17:50, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course there is no International Commission on Artificial Islands that sets up an official definition. Many sources describe massive expansions of tiny islets as "artificial island".  The point is, that if an island is 90% artificial, it should be discussed in an artificial island article.  We should adopt a pragmatic definition when discussing this phenomenon.--Pharos 16:39, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I dont mind helping, although I must caution again if this definition amounts to original research. HKIA is only 75% reclaimed land, and one of the original islands can hardly be considered an "islet". Why is it erroneously being called an "artificial island" by less than authoritative sources? Conversely, are all islands which were substaintially expanded called artificial islands? The point is engineers, reporters and governments even and etc like to use the term "artificial island" because it feeds their self-ego into believing they have created something purely out of human hands, even when it was not entirely true.--Huaiwei 16:45, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Oil-platform = artificial island?
A recent comment made by User:Instantnood in has aroused my attention to a line I missed in this article:

 * although some recent developments have been constructed more in the manner of oil platforms.

Can examples please be given with regards to this kind of "artificial island", because this effectively suggests that any man-made structure which protrudes isolated in the sea is now an artificial island, even if it was supported by piles or a floating platform? What are we gonna call an island next? A ship which dropped anchor?--Huaiwei 21:39, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Please take a look at chinampa and crannog, which are linked to in this article. — Instantnood 21:47, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * From this, can I now put it to you that you support the idea of calling all oil rigs islands, and that a Kellong is an island too? I want to know your clear stand and justifications in this one instead of quoting me sources which appear to need correction too.--Huaiwei 16:50, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The link to Kellong doesn't work. My position sticks with the definitions on Wikipedia, and the convention that HKIA is frequently cited by the press as being built on an artificial island. Please don't challenge if these are artificial islands, before successfully changed the definitions by modifying the articles on Wikipedia through discussions, and before the established conventions has been changed. — Instantnood 17:21, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * An indonesian version of a Kellong: . An artificial island by your definitions, surely, since you agree that oil rigs are islands, and so are anchored ships? HKIA is frequently refered to the press as an artificial island? How frequent, when it does not even fit into the definition claimed by this article? Your last few requests sounds strange. What "established conventions" are you refering to? I do not see any such convention here, so what needs to be changed, except for this article, and corresponding articles which dont quite tally?--Huaiwei 17:56, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Final call
One more day left before I edit this page tomorrow.--Huaiwei 14:55, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The preferred procedure is to request for comment. ;-) — Instantnood 15:02, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, that is still not too late in being used now. Or even after I have already edited the article. My one week deadline remains.--Huaiwei 15:41, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Via RFC:

I would not call oil rigs artificial islands. I can see why someone might want to though. Whoever is trying to change it has to know that generally oil rigs are not referred to as islands, because it is silly. They just want to change it to be more inclusive. I can respect that, I argue semantics all the time. I think it is easy to solve, you can make up some conditions if you want, how about these:

 * An island: is not floating
 * An island: is attached to the ground
 * An island: has a coastline

With this, all islands and artificial islands (since this is really about the defintion of "island," not just "artificial islands") fulfill all the conditions easily and obviously. Nothing else but an island would really fulfill it (I think). Oil rigs, not so much. This actually sits well with me, because you might be able to call the tube parts of oil rigs "artificial islands" (if they are attached to the ground) which is ok with me, but then the whole structure itself, the oil rig, isn't an island. This works with bridges and stuff too. Their supports would be little artificial islands, and I don't know if anyone would get too upset over that. You wouldn't call a bridge an artificial island that's for sure. What do you think?--Ben 10:25, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

On the other hand, if you don't like defining things so much, you may just want to go with the more subjective culturally defined "island," and defer to "the things that people call islands", but since no calls oil rigs islands, then you simply don't call them that. I think whoever is wanting to call oil rigs islands has their own personal definition of island that they think is neutral and objective but it doesn't fit with other people's, so that means consensus either on a more hard-line objective definition like I suggested above (but which more than likely counts as "original research"), or consensus that the definition should defer to common usage. Or something like that :). I think mine is close enough to the subjective defintion, but I do understand that it can seem out of line to people. Personally, I like to keep things subjective when they are as common as the word "island" but I also like seeing if I can make up an objective definition. Anyway, I just hope these ideas help in your discussion.--Ben 10:39, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm I see you have already solved it a couple weeks ago. Good job too in the introduction. Oh well, maybe if people are still grumbling they can at least get another perspective.--Ben 10:42, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

What About...
A peninsula which is made into an island by a canal, like the Isle of Dogs, London?

René-Levasseur Island?
Would René-Levasseur Island in Quebec count as an artificial island? If so, it would be by far the largest in the world.

The formation of the Manicouagan Reservoir in the months following the construction of Daniel-Johnson Dam in 1968 caused two pre-existing natural lakes to become connected, completely encircling a land area of 2020 sqkm. (Incidentally, the area that is now an island was itself an ancient impact crater.)

Should it be added or not? — Dale Arnett (talk) 16:33, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Kansai Airport appears twice in Artificial_island
What is the justification for Kansai Airport appearing twice in Artificial_island? cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 18:11, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Is René-Levasseur Island an artificial island?
User:Io Herodotus added René-Levasseur Island to Artificial_island and provided a reference, but the reference does not state that it is an artificial island. Moreover, the site does not look like a reputable source. Does anyone have an opinion on this? cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 18:19, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * to my point of view, there should be 2 categories,

 * reclaimed islands and
 * islands made by other means, (dams or else).--Io Herodotus (talk) 08:08, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If there's a lack of references, my instincts are that the island itself is natural, even though the water surrounding it is artificial. de Bivort 02:30, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * As a related example, is Cape Cod an artificial island because there is a man-made canal detaching it from the mainland? de Bivort 02:31, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, both Cape Cod and René-Levasseur can be described as islands that wouldn't be islands if it weren't for humans, and therefore as artificial islands (at least by the definition in the lead of this article). Should a new column be added which gives details on how each island was formed? I don't really see the necessity for a separate table just for the one island that wasn't reclaimed from water. Si Br4  ⚑ 23:00, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I think this is a more of a problem than you've suggested, I'm afraid. Cape Cod would be third in the table if it counts. The Delmarva Peninsula would be first (due to the C&D Canal). Southern Florida because of the Okeechobee Waterway. Scandinavia because of the White Sea Canal? etc etc. de Bivort 02:19, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Whether lands separated from mainland by canals count as artificial islands is a different issue than whether only reclaimed islands are artificial islands. Are North & South America and Africa & Eurasia separate landmasses because of the Panama and Suez Canals? Also, by that logic, wouldn't all of Southern and Western Europe be one big island because of the Rhine–Main–Danube Canal which connects the Rhine and the Danube? René-Levasseur Island was separated from the mainland by flooding of an adjacent valley (connecting two lakes on either side of the island), not by a man-made canal. Si Br4  ⚑ 20:54, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, you've nicely extended my examples. I was following your definition of "islands that wouldn't be islands if it weren't for humans". We should probably just defer to sources. If there is no supporting reference for RLI, it should be removed from the table. de Bivort 01:35, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Africa could be the largest one! I have removed René-Levasseur Island, perhaps here we only talk about reclaimed lands. There is another problem; most islands listed here are 100% reclaimed lands, but some artificial islands include parts of existing islands. Perhaps another column could give the size of the reclaimed land.--Io Herodotus (talk) 19:32, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

My point wasn't that only reclaimed islands should count as artificial islands, but that waterways such as rivers and canals don't separate landmasses (while artificial lakes such as the one surrounding RLI do). IMO René-Levasseur should be included in the list, if there are sources which support its "artificial island" status. Si Br4 ⚑ 06:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

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OK theres have been a few AIs Artificial Islands. Anymore soon(2018)
A gret idea.But are there any more large artificial islands planned? How about a Nova Tesla Land a artificial isalnd and powe generation source(From tiddal action) To brooadcast FREE elletric power per inventor Nikola teslas ideas? Thanks MinEdsonAndreJohnson (talk) 05:03, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Singapore
I removed the following:

The source says "For example, Singapore drastically damaged 500 million tons of sand in southwest Cambodia, causing devastating fishing villages and destroying ecosystems. " (Google translate). It cites news.com, with no links.

I found sources that Singapore has imported 500 m tons of sand, to extend its size by 50 square miles. This is not by creating an artificial island, it is land reclamation, and does not belong in this article.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 12:39, 28 August 2019 (UTC).

Environmental Impact
I am planning on adding additional content to the "Environmental Impact" sectionBiostudent2 (talk) 19:17, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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Comanche (video game series)

Comanche is a series of simulation games published by NovaLogic, later THQ Nordic after their acquisition. The goal of each of these games is to fly military missions in a RAH-66 Comanche attack helicopter, which was in development and prototyping at the time of release.

Comanche was the first commercial flight simulation based on voxel technology via the company's proprietary Voxel Space engine (written entirely in assembly language). This rendering technique allowed for much more detailed and realistic terrain compared to simulations based on vector graphics at that time.

Games
Throughout the years, several games and add-ons have been published:
 * Comanche: Maximum Overkill (1992)
 * Comanche: Global Challenge (1993) - three new campaigns
 * Comanche: Over the Edge (1993) - four new campaigns
 * Comanche CD (1994) - a compilation of Maximum Overkill and mission disks, plus 10 bonus missions. Rereleased in 1997 from SoftKey As Comanche CD Special Edition. Includes a demo of America Online, and features Windows 95 compatibility.
 * Werewolf vs Comanche (1995) - a pack of two games with a compatible multiplayer mode
 * Comanche 2 (1996) - the stand-alone release of the Comanche portion of Werewolf vs. Comanche.
 * Comanche 3 (1997)
 * Comanche Gold (1998) - Comanche 3 with additional campaigns and various enhancements
 * Comanche 4 (2001)
 * Comanche (2021) - set in the near-future. Early access version was released on Steam on 12 March, 2020 1.0 release was on 26 August, 2021. The game was developed by Nukklear before early access release and then by Ashborne Games.

Reception
Computer Gaming World's reviewer—United States Army Aviation AH-64 pilot Bryan Walker—liked Comanche Maximum Overkill in 1993, calling it an "eye-popping glimpse into 21st-century helicopter warfare". He stated that it created a "more believable terrain model than the Army's Combat Mission Simulator" and was the first game to replicate "the thrill of low-altitude flying". Walker enjoyed the flight model's stability and ease of use, and reported that the cockpit corresponded to MANPRINT ("Manpower and Personnel Integration") principles. He compared the helicopter's handling as akin to "a slug ... joystick jocks may end up gritting their teeth", and also criticized the "meager" choice of missions and enemy targets, and the unrealistically high durability and weapon loads. Walker nonetheless concluded that "cutting-edge graphics firepower gives [it] the edge to sweep more than a couple of competitors off the battlefield".

In 1993 Walker reviewed Mission Disk One for the magazine, stating that he "honestly expected more from an add-on disk that retails for $40". He criticized the lack of improvement in the flight model ("CMO's Comanche still flies like Barney Fife is at the controls"), and concluded that it "is like refueling a gunship without rearming it". In 1994 Walker liked the harder difficulty of the Over the Edge mission disk's "40 tough new missions", as well as the improved graphics and controls. He concluded that the expansion "clearly shows the superiority of the new features and makes for a far more enjoyable game". Walker also liked the Comanche CD compilation but only recommended it to those new to the game or without the expansions. He reiterated, however, that "many of the limitations I noted in my review of the original CMO are still present ... it would be nice to see NovaLogic produce a chopper title on par with Falcon 3.0 in the technical realism arena".

A reviewer for Next Generation opined that "For pure multiplayer action, Werewolf vs. Comanche is hard to beat." He noted that because the two crafts are on separate discs, gamers only needed to buy half as many copies of the game as the number of players in a networked session. He scored it four out of five stars.

Comanche Maximum Overdrive was nominated for an award at the 1993 Game Developers Conference.

The overall Comanche series achieved combined global sales of 2.5 million copies by November 2001, before the release of Comanche 4.

Comanche Mac received 4 out of 5 stars from MacUser. In 1995, Flux magazine ranked Comanche 18th on their Top 100 Video Games. They praised the game calling it: "One of the most graphically pleasing flight sims around."

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Please visit that page to support or comment on the nomination.''

well, actually Artificial island, but that redirects here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.192.191.12 (talk • contribs) 04:27, 25 October 2004 (UTC)

 * No it doesn't, not any more, anyway... -- ALoan (Talk) 23:33, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hong Kong-Macau Ferry Terminal
This entry was added, and I wonder if this is pulling things a little. Is an island, or simply a large pier?--Huaiwei 16:07, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * FYI: .  — Instantnood 16:25, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Both images dont make it clear if they are islands or not. If even a dock is counted, I will be adding the Singapore Cruise Centre next, a prospect which is going to raise eyebrows amongst other Singaporeans.--Huaiwei 17:14, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * What about this one? The berths and the immigration facilities are on the two islands off the coast, and the buildings are connected by the three bridges. The ferries can basically go under these bridges. — Instantnood 17:34, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes I can see the "bridges" are elevated. By question is whether the two piers themselves are simply anchored to the seabed via pillings or any other form of anchorage, or are they sitting on reclaimed land? These pictures simply are not showing it.--Huaiwei 17:45, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * As far as I can recall, they're land instead of pillings or anchorage. No matter what, the definition of artificial island from the article on Wikpiedia is perhaps relevant here. — Instantnood 19:14, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * If I have to remind. Verify your statements. Wikipedia is not a reflection of assumed fact. If this remains unverified, the entry will be removed.--Huaiwei 16:53, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * To repeat: the definition of artificial island from the article on Wikpiedia is relevant here. — Instantnood 17:00, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Does the definition in artificial island say that a building suspended in water on piles or some other anchor other than earth is an artificial island?--Huaiwei 17:57, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Richfield Island
California: There is an artificial island near the seacoast between Carpinteria and Ventura. IIt was constructed for oil drilling. I believe that it is called 'Richfield Island'. LorenzoB 22:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds like you're thinking of Rincon Island (California), which reportedly has a "Richfield Pier". It's on the list. -- Beland (talk) 01:56, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Islands or not
Several entries were taken out in Huaiwei's recent edit. The entries he has taken out include: I suppose wider input is needed to decide whether to remove these entries. Qaka 10:53, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hong Kong International Airport
 * Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre new wing
 * Ting Kau Bridge central tower
 * Tsing Ma Bridge west tower
 * unnamed artificial islands to the south of the two piers of Kwai Tsing Bridge
 * Hong Kong International Airport is built on land which expands on two existing islands. The mounds of earth around the other entries are there specifically to facilitate support for their respective structures, and can hardly be consdiered islands. Even if they are so, how significant are they to appear in this list? Are we going to start listing every mound of earth arificially created for no purpose than to support a single structure?--Huaiwei 12:50, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

 * The new wing of the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre is not built on any existing islet. It is neither standing on a "mound of earth". The two artificial islets to the south of the columns of Kwai Tsing Bridge are not "mounds of earth" "to facilitate support for their respective structures". If the HKIA is not qualified, in what way are the Ellis Island and the Jurong Island qualified? By how many times are they expanded? Qaka 13:07, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Is it usual for suspension bridges and cable-stayed bridges to have their towers standing on artificial islands, as the Tsing Ma and Ting Kau bridges do? Qaka 13:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre is not built on a mound of earth, than I suppose no island exists. Mounds of earth meant to suppost the foundations of bridge towers are just that...they arent "artificial islands" per se, and even if they are, mind telling us what their names are, and if they have enough significance to appear in this list? Lastly, you are most welcome to remove other contentious entries. Jurong Island is not an artificial island in my book, and is not added by me, but your altar-ego seems to promote it to his last breath, as you do now, obviously. Time to sound the alarm bells!--Huaiwei 14:34, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

France
There is no entry for France, even though I remember they have a small stone sea fort, which was built artifically in the 1700s in an area where the sea is only about 10 meters deep. Nowadays they use the former fortress as a studio for shooting adventure TV shows. 91.83.1.235 (talk) 19:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Remarkably, from that description I managed to find Fort Boyard (fortification) and added it to the list. Thanks for the tip! -- Beland (talk) 01:53, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Rearrange
This page needs a rearrange, Netherlands mentioned 2 times, Idea : remove Europe and just sort alphabetically --  MJKubba  |  talk  |  contributions  10:03, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This has since been done. -- Beland (talk) 01:48, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Notability criteria
I added Challis Island to the list and was thinking about starting a page. Then I read the guidelines regarding [notability of geographic features] and I'm not sure this island is notable enough. I'd like to hear a second opinion. If the island is not worthy of a page by itself, then should it also be removed from this list altogether? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corntrooper (talk • contribs) 11:34, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Based on the amount of information available and its quirkiness, I'd say that yes, this is a notable island that could use its own article. -- Beland (talk) 01:30, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Land surrounded by water including man-made canals
Should be have such a list? We could have Peloponnese separated by Corinth Canal, and maybe include south Sweden, separated by Göta Canal and France+Spain+Portugal, separated by Rhone–Rhine Canal.--BIL (talk) 20:44, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Why not, for completeness! Islands created by adding water should definitely be kept separate from islands created by adding land; the former are often not considered islands. I have started the section "Land disconnected by artificial canals". -- Beland (talk) 08:07, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

 * @Beland: What about Barro Colorado Island, a hilltop in an artificial lake? Meanwhile distinction may have to be drawn between canals with no locks which allow free flow between two bodies of water (like the Corinth), and canals with locks at different levels (e.g. the case of Göta or Rhône–Rhine mentioned above). Not too sure whether Södertörn (by the Södertälje Canal) should be counted as such a case. 116.92.226.246 (talk) 14:38, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

South Korea
South Korea has one major artificial island,the Sevit Islands, among other minor islands such as Seorae and Banpo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.241.78.242 (talk) 01:03, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Added as "Sebitseom (Sebit islets)" and "Banpo Seorae Island (Seoraeseom)". Thanks for the tip! -- Beland (talk) 02:08, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

London Gateway
I couldn't find any source (in an admittedly quick web search) that verifies that London Gateway is an artificial island. (It was added in this edit.) It doesn't look like an island on Google Maps, and that article doesn't say it's an island. I've removed it from this list for now, but if you happen to remember where you learned that it's an artificial island, we can re-add it with a citation. Thanks! -- Beland (talk) 01:47, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Peninsulas
Should artificial peninsulas, like Dubai's La Mer or the US' Spiral Jetty count? Should it be a different page? AAEexecutive (talk) 20:34, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Sticky headers not working?
I tried various devices, but the headers are not "sticky" as intended. George Ho (talk) 04:27, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Hmm... It works only when I enable this wiki's gadget. --George Ho (talk) 15:10, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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Too serious
Hi Matthew,

I noticed your comment on WP:FPC - Wikipedia takes itself too seriously sometimes. Well overall, an encyclopedia does need to be serious most of the time, although its also important to enjoy using it and editing it. You might like to join Department of Fun. -- Solipsist 08:37, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Green Monster
Hi there. I did most of the original work on the "Big Dig" article, and was surprised to find that the guy who "wrote the book" on the project used that term ... which I for one had ever heard only in reference to Fenway Park's more famous "Green Monster". I put it in the article in deference to his expertise. I imagine you found the reference confusing for the same reason. We'll let it stand as you left it. BTW, as if it's not weird enough for a guy from Montana going to school in SoCal, you had to go read up on the East Coast too! Sfahey 03:15, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

VfD help
Please, help at VfD of Ivan Cherevko. -- Mykola Petrenko 09:42, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

24.91.96.179
I had already blocked him again before you even asked. This time for longer. Thanks for letting me know, though. Jayjg (talk) 00:06, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/First Photograph
I just got a high-res version, and the image is public domain. Please support the high-res version. -- brian0918 ™  17:02, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Tone deaf
I like your changes. I read over them and added some text. You may wish to add yourself to Wikipedians/Montana (or not). Hyacinth 22:16, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Adams in color
Not wanting to clog the FPC page with discussion (more than I already am doing)... I was surprised to find that Adams did do some later work in color, although this book of the results doesn't seem to be that well received. - Solipsist 19:25, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Inclusions not Deletions
Are you an inclusionist? Can you take a look at the Talk on apartheid? There is a editor Jayjg that keeps trying to delete a factual 2-Word Inclusion. Thanks.6920923073 16:49, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you Matthew, that means a lot to me. Jayjg (talk) 14:26, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you Matthew, for your input. I appreciate your recommendation to Jayjg to take a break and let those not so personally involved make educated decisions about neutrality.69.217.123.174 15:18, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Did you notice his recommendation that you do the same? Let's both take a break, ok? Jayjg (talk)  17:16, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I see you like getting the last words.69.221.60.181 20:03, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Fun for the whole family! - Matthew Cieplak (talk) (edits) 07:14, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Apartheid
"my closing statement is simply to say that you haven't provided any counterarguments or refutations of my points (or anyone's really)."

Matthew, refutations are summed on the Talk page. Thanks. PS sorry about the earlier confusion. I thought AIW was about text inclusions, I have been corrected that it's about article inclusion/deletion.69.209.222.92 28 June 2005 19:50 (UTC)

Important VFD
Please see the VFD for commons:List of victims of the 1913 Great Lakes storm. This is of vital importance. This list and others like it are being pushed off of the entire Wikimedia project. It started at Wikipedia, where they were VFDd in favor of moving to Wikisource/Commons. Now they are being VFDd off Wikisource (they don't really belong there, since they are not original source texts), with people there saying they should be on WP/Commons, and it is also being VFDd on Commons, where people don't realize that Commons accepts texts (says so right on the Main Page). This will set a precedent for any user-created lists. -- BRIAN 0918  22:25, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Response
Yes, there's an explanation. As a result of being tired (having done RC patrol all day), I saw an anon IP address and the vandalism, and immediately clicked revert. You'll see that I immediately saw my mistake, and reverted myself back within 5 seconds. I then proceeded to block the offender for 24 hours. Thanks for your diligence! If there are any questions, let me know. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 21:16, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for your understanding; I'm probably going to get some rest now. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 21:24, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Skull (symbolism)
Don't fear, there's no edit war on the cards. I look forwards to the new version! Soo 09:45, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

User categorization
Greetings! Your user page hasn't been vandalized :-) --it was updated to use the new User Categorization scheme. I have categorized your User Page as a Wikipedian in Montana (Category:Wikipedians in Montana) since your name was listed on the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Montana page.  The Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Montana page is scheduled for deletion.  Thanks!   Roby Wayne  Talk •  Hist 23:19, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

re: vandalism
I don't know if this is "vandalism", really. Is the phrase "biting, complex" POV? Yeah, probably. But it's not like writing "booger" all over the article. The series of "yeah"s is, actually, the real chorus. There's a difference between a POV edit and vandalism. Matt Yeager 04:41, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Skull (symbolism)
Hi, you might want to join the mediation on this article. There was a slight revert conflict going on and we're going to try and solve it :) See Mediation Cabal/Cases/1 01 2006 Skull (symbolism) and Talk:Skull (symbolism). Thanks for your time! - FrancisTyers 00:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

"TJWhite / Revolution" vandal
That particular vandal used a considerable number of sockpuppets to vandalize Wikipedia. He spammed his "revolution manifesto" all over, over a number of days... not merely to user talk pages, but overwriting quite a few Wikipedia articles with it. I blocked and blanket reverted. -- Curps 22:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Request for assistance
I'd love to have your input on the List of people from Montana page that I have been working on enhancing. Despite your hatred, I hope that you can provide some information on your home state. Any additions/corrections would be greatly appreciated.

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Metal Skool
A tag has been placed on Metal Skool, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be a biographical account about a person, group of people, or band, but it does not indicate how or why he/she/they is/are notable. If you can indicate why Metal Skool is really notable, I advise you to edit the article promptly, and also put a note on Talk:Metal Skool. Any admin should check for such edits before deleting the article. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Please read our criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 7 under Articles. You might also want to read our general biography criteria. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. To contest the tagging and request that admins should wait a while for you to assert his/her/their notability, please affix the template  to the page, and then immediately add such an assertion. It is also a very good idea to add citations from reliable sources to ensure that your article will be verifiable. RidG Talk/Contributions 08:51, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi - thanks for the message. I can't delete the tag - I promise you, if I hadn't tagged it, someone else would have. Reread the above message for how to proceed. If you think the group is notable, by all means submit the info necessary to keep the article. On its face, however, it doesn't quite meet the level of notability. I've been wrong before, though, so go for it!

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Skull (symbolism)/Revision
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Roberto Berdecio and Marion Davis Berdecio
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Kinfolk
Thanks for the coffee! The Kinspiracy Tumblr is hilarious - I found a link to it elsewhere yesterday, but it entertained me all over again today. More work to do there - onwards! VagrantDarter (talk) 12:57, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

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