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Thargomindah

Thargomindah  (frequently shortened to Thargo) is a rural town and locality in the Shire of Bulloo, Queensland, Australia. The town of Thargomindah is the administrative centre for the Shire of Bulloo. In the, the locality of Thargomindah had a population of 243 people.

On 17 April 2020, the Queensland Government decided to reorganise the nine localities in the Shire of Bulloo, resulting in six localities. Thargomindah, previously being 43.0 km2 of the area immediately surrounding the town of Thargomindah, was enlarged through the incorporation of all of Bullawarra (except for a small portion in the south of Bullawarra which was absorbed into Bulloo Downs), all of Dynevor and all of Norley, creating a locality of 15213 km2.

Geography
Thargominah is located in South West Queensland on the Adventure Way, approximately 1000 km west of the state capital, Brisbane, and 200 km west of the town of Cunnamulla.

The town of Thargomindah is the administrative centre for the Shire of Bulloo. It lies on the Bulloo River in the centre of the locality.

Five main roads radiate from the town:

 * the Bundeena Road goes west to Noccundra
 * the Quilpie Road goes north-east to Quilpie
 * the Cunnamulla Road (also known as the Bulloo Developmental Road and the Adventure Way) goes east to Yowah and Eulo and beyond to Cunnamulla
 * the Hungerford Road goes south to Hungerford
 * the Bulloo Downs Road goes south-west to Bulloo Downs

Thargomindah is part of the Channel Country where the rivers are mostly dry riverbeds except for seasonal flooding. The locality contributes to three major drainage basins:

 * in the south-east, creeks flow into the Paroo River system in the Murray-Darling basin
 * in the centre, creeks flow into the Bulloo River system in the Bulloo-Bancannia drainage basin
 * in the north-west, creeks flow into Wilson River system in the Lake Eyre basin

The Bulloo River flows through the locality from the north-east (Quilpie) through the town and exits the locality to the south-west (Bulloo Downs).

The land is principally used for low density cattle grazing. The Dynevor Downs homestead is located on the Cunnamulla Road (-28.0911°N, 144.3585°W).

Lake Bindegolly National Park is located in the east of the locality (-28.0086°N, 144.1939°W). A portion of the Currawinya National Park is on the south-eastern boundary of the locality (-28.2041°N, 144.5293°W), although the bulk of that national park was in adjacent Hungerford.

Lake Bullawarra is in the northwest of the locality (-27.8898°N, 143.5993°W) approximately 25 km NW of the town and is a nationally important wetland. It is a habitat for a vulnerable species, the Major Mitchell's cockatoo.

History
Thargomindah lies on the traditional lands of the Kalali people who seemed to have had a close association with the Wongkumara, Margany and Badjiri peoples from neighbouring regions along the Bulloo and Wilson Rivers. The Margany language (also known as Maranganji), the Badjiri language and the Kalali language (Galali) are now mostly extinct, although some revitalisation projects have been commenced.

The Thargomindah area was first explored by the British in the early 1860s by colonist Vincent James Dowling, who established the Thargomindah pastoral property in 1865 with his brother John Dowling. Violence with the Aboriginal people soon ensued and John was killed. In retribution, the Kalali were pursued by Vincent Dowling and a Native Police detachment under Sub-Inspector James Gilmour from the Yowah barracks. A large massacre of the Kalali subsequently occurred at and around the nearby Thuringowa waterhole. Recent research has shown that there was no massacre of Kullilli (Kalali) in 1865.

After the massacre, a new Native Police barracks called the Bulloo Barracks was established on Dowling's property at a crossing of the Bulloo River. From the 1870s, the town of Thargomindah developed around these barracks. Thargomindah is an Aboriginal word meaning echidna.

A post office was established in 1870 and a telegraph line connected the town to Cunnamulla in 1881.

Thargomindah Provisional School opened on 1 April 1884. In 1892 it became Thargomindah State School.

The 1890s saw the town prosper as the service and administrative centre of a pastoral district. An extension of the Western railway line to the town was planned for many years; however it never eventuated. The railway did reach Cunnamulla in 1898 and Quilpie in 1917.

Thargomindah was one of the first towns in Australia to produce hydroelectric power from 1898 until 1951. The old bore into the Great Artesian Basin was a source of energy when electric street lights were lit and coupled to a turbine driven by the bore's natural water pressure. The generator was taken from a unit powered by a steam engine and purchased by the Bulloo Divisional Board becoming the first municipality owned power plant. After that power was supplied by diesel generators until 1988, when the town was connected to the state power grid via Cunnamulla. The power station is still operating with a daily opening to the public.

St Edmund's Anglican Church at 60 Dowling Street (-27.9963°N, 143.8229°W) was dedicated on 22 October 1960 by Archbishop Reginald Halse. Its closure on 28 May 2003 was approved by Venerable Gary Frederick Harch, Archdeacon of the West. It is now used as a private home.

On 17 April 2020 the Queensland Government decided to reorganise the nine localities in the Shire of Bulloo, resulting in six localities. Thargomindah, previously being 43.0 km2 of the area immediately surrounding the town of Thargomindah, was enlarged through the incorporation of all of Bullawarra (except for a small portion in the south of Bullawarra which was absorbed into Bulloo Downs), all of Dynevor and all of Norley, creating a locality of 15213 km2.

Demographics
At the, the town of Thargomindah had a population of 20 people.

In the, the locality of Thargomindah had a population of 270 people.

In the, the locality of Thargomindah had a population of 243 people.

Heritage listings
Thargomindah has a number of nearby heritage-listed sites, including:

 * Bulloo River, Bulloo Downs: Dr Ludwig Becker's Grave
 * Nappa Merrie Station, Durham: Burke and Wills Dig Tree
 * Wilson Street, Noccundra: Noccundra Hotel

Facilities
An information centre is located at 37 Dowling Street, Thargomindah. The building is a renovation of a children's hostel which was built in early 1960, it then became a block of flats and ended up being an empty run-down building until converted to a very modern facility containing the Visitor Information Centre, Library and Coffee Shop. The hostel was used for children who lived in remote properties where they would board at the hostel during the week, returning home on the weekends to their families.

The Information Centre contains brochures, pamphlets and maps on the South West Queensland corner and surrounding areas. It is the first place where people stop when they visit Thargomindah to get the latest road conditions, directions, places to stay, things to see and do and the latest information on events.

Bulloo Shire Council operates Thargomindah Library at Shire Office, Dowling Street, Thargomindah.

Thargomindah has two fuel stations; Thargo Motors which is open Mon to Fri and Sat mornings and Thargo Roadhouse which has 24 hour fuel using an EFTPOS facility.

Accommodation consists of the Oasis Motel, Bulloo River Hotel Motel, Explorers Caravan Park and Napunyah Caravan Park.

Dining out options are the Oasis Motel, Bulloo River Hotel Motel, Coffee on Dowling and Thargo Roadhouse.

Education
Thargomindah State School is a government primary (Early Childhood to Year 6) school for boys and girls at Dowling Street (-27.9952°N, 143.8267°W). In 2018, the school had an enrolment of 24 students with 3 teachers and 5 non-teaching staff (3 full-time equivalent).

The nearest government secondary (8–12) school is Cunnamulla P–12 State School.

Water
Thargomindah has a pressurised hot spring from a bore into the Great Artesian Basin and has produced hydroelectric power from the basin in the past. After 2 years of drilling, a good supply of water was found in 1893. The temperature was 86 °C. In 1924, it was recorded that the bore had a daily output of 2500 m3 and today of 1300 m3 at 84 °C. There is a plentiful water supply for the population and the arid area available for irrigation in front and backyards and public warm showers are provided.

Transport
Thargomindah Airport is located to the north of the town on Kerr Street (-27.9872°N, 143.8156°W). It is operated by the Bulloo Shire Council and there are 2 scheduled flights from Brisbane each week on Regional Express Airlines. There is a sealed runway 1463 m long and an unsealed runway 846 m long. It was completely rebuilt in 2018.

The Dynevor Downs Airport is located immediately to the east of the Dynevor Downs Homestead (-28.0912°N, 144.3695°W) with three unsealed runways (north–south, east–west, and NE–SW), the longest being 1050 m, the others being about 800 m.

Climate
Thargomindah has a hot semi-arid climate (Köppen BSh), very closely bordering on a hot arid climate (BWh), which is found in the western part of the shire. Summers are sweltering and generally dry except when monsoonal incursions into the continent bring heavy rain, whilst winters are warm and dry with cool to cold mornings.

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The Farm (franchise)

The Farm is a reality competition television franchise format created by the Swedish producer Strix. Over 100 licenses sold around the world and aired in more than 50 countries, The Farm is one of their most popular formats, including The Bar and Fame Factory. It has been constantly on air somewhere in the world since 2001. The format is distributed by Fremantle.

Format
The Farm puts a group of 12 to 14 people living together in a farm. The contestants must work as a normal farmer, raising animals and doing agriculture. In regular periods of time, one of the houseguests is evicted, usually in a ceremony called The Duel where they compete in a physical endurance, but in some adaptations of the show, it is the audience that decides, by telephone voting, who must leave The Farm.

Celebrity format, with participants being well-known public figures, is also common.

International versions
there are 132 winners of The Farm format.

: Currently airing
 * An upcoming season
 * Status unknown
 * No longer airing

Current franchises

 * Season currently being aired.
 * Upcoming season in casting process.
 * Casting process completed, and ready to be aired shortly after.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Talk:Intel iAPX 432

iAPX 432, not i432
This page should be renamed. Intel NEVER offically referred to it as the i432. It was always the iAPX 432. --Brouhaha 02:55, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Seems reasonable. Perhaps the acronym expansion should be included as well? (is it actually intel Advanced Processor ArChitecture? -- a wild guess on my behalf is that the X stands for the Greek letter Chi...) --Wernher 14:41, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * So there; fixed it. I also did some editing incl sectioning to (hopefully) make the article more readable. --Wernher 23:37, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I've never seen any explanation of "iAPX" from Intel; there may not have been an official one. Your conjecture that it stands for Intel Advanced Processor arCHitecture seems reasonable, but I don't think it should be stated as fact unless a reasonably authoritative source can be found.  --Brouhaha 16:26, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * iAPX means Intel Advanced Performance Architecture (rather than Processor) according to dvorak.org and according to the same source the X refers to architecture. The iAPX designation was also used for the 8086 (iAPX 86), 8088 (iAPX 88), 80186 (iAPX 186) and 80286 (iAPX 286) chips according to Intel's programmer's manuals (see the iAPX article), and according to iAPX 286 (80286) programmer's manual Intel refers to the x86 architecture as iAPX 86 series after the first processor, iAPX 86 (8086). The iAPX designation, which seems to be a marketing term, is not used anymore. Sofia Koutsouveli (talk) 18:45, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

 * I have done some searching around on the net, and me neither can find an acronym expansion of "iAPX" from Intel. The "best" I've found is Aad Offerman's CHIPLIST. Note, however, that I used the term "reportedly" when citing the expansion; one might perhaps find another term to specify the lack of authority in this minor(?) matter. Of course, nothing should be related in such a way that it might be wrongly interpreted as a fact -- I'm with you on that. --Wernher 20:42, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Speaking of which, I'm a little dubious of the cited slogan "mainframe on a chip". Where did that come from?  Did Intel actually use that phrase anywhere?  --Brouhaha 16:33, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Again, no clear evidence. I have amended the intro paragraph to reflect this. Thanks for mentioning it; I should've been a little more careful in my initial wording. The term "slogan" was used in a more general context, as the "mainframe on a chip" phrase has been an (official and unofficial) advertising slogan of several high-end µP projects. --Wernher 20:42, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I seem to remember Intel gave a book, updated each year of product dscrtiption sheets. This had the phrase micromainframe. Maybe the Computer History Museum has one of these in their library.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.20.170.4 (talk) 18:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

I just saw "micromainframe" somewehere, I'll check when I get a chance. Peter Flass (talk) 18:26, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's a reference to "Micromainfrane" from Intel: http://bitsavers.org/pdf/intel/iAPX_432/172283-001_Reference_Manual_for_the_Intel_432_Extensions_to_Ada_Dec81.pdf Peter Flass (talk) 23:20, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

BiiN µP correction; i960 Mx information
The BiiN processor was not the i960MC; it predated all of the i960 family. When BiiN flopped, Intel redesigned the processor to remove the tag bit and the microcode support for objects, and introduced the result as the i960. The i960MC, i960MM, and i960MX were later designs that added back the tag bit (and perhaps the microcode?), and were targetted at military designs. It is unclear whether any i960Mx customers actually made effective use of the tag bit. --Brouhaha 00:57, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This is close but not quite right. The BiiN processor was known internally at the time simply as the "P7" -- it's code name according to the system at the time (the i386 had been the P3, the intervening numbers were for future 386s, and the i860 was the N10 because it started life a a numeric co-processor). The i960KA, KB, LC, MM, and (essentially non-existant) MX were all the same chip -- the exact same die, with some packaging differences. The tagged memory support was never removed from the design until the i960C-series, and it was certainly never added back. See my page on the i960. -- gnetwerker 1/1/05

Unclear connection to 432
The following two sections were included in the article, but has now been moved here for discussion of their relevance to the 432 CPU—as no characteristics of the 432 pertaining to the sections' material are mentioned in their text. There are, however, some references to an/the operating system, but if this information is to be interpreted as being of relevance to the processor, one would expect the combination of processor and OS to be specified (not just the OS). Please 'preciseify'; I may have missed something (happens now and then). :-) --Wernher 10:23, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

==Garbage collection==

Software does not need to explicitly deallocate objects that are no longer needed, and in fact no method is provided to do so. Instead, the operating system provides garbage collection using Edsger Dijkstra's on-the-fly parallel garbage collection algorithm. It is a mark-sweep style collector, but through the use of the system object table and a three-state indicator (white, black, grey) associated with each memory segment, it can operate fully concurrently with user processes.

==Virtual memory==

An attempt to access a segment that does not reside in physical memory will result in a Fault (software interrupt), and the operating system will bring the segment into memory, possibly swapping out another segment to make room for it.

 * Both are features supported by microcode interpretation of fields in the system object table. Without all accesses to objects being indirected through the object table, and the microcode support for the three-state marking of the object status, Dijkstra's parallel garbage collection algorithm couldn't be used.  How many other systems have you ever seen that support parallel, on-the-fly garbage collection?  Most systems have to pause their normal activity to run a garbage collector.

 * The Virtual memory section is less important, but does explain how the 2^40/2^41 byte virtual address space is provided. Virtual memory is commonplace now, but is almost always implemented by paging, and rarely if ever by swapping variable-length segments.  There were plenty of other systems that swapped variable-length segments, but did not provide virtual memory thereby.  The iAPX 432 architecture cannot support paging.

 * The operating system is iMAX 432. It's the only operating system that was available for the iAPX 432, so specifically mentioning it by name in descriptions of the features of the hardware architecture didn't seem necessary.  If there had been another operating system available, presumably it would have used the architectural features of the object table for the same purposes.  There should be a description of iMAX 432 elsewhere in the page, or maybe it should have its own page, but describing it adequately is a large task and I'm not yet sure where to start.
 * --Brouhaha 16:14, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * The iMAX 432 OS should be mentioned, I think, as it was the only available OS for the processor -- an important fact in its own right, and a clear qualifier for the treatment of garbage collection & virtual memory. One could just put in a short description of the OS, and include an empty link to be made into an article later on. Very 'wikipedish', BTW :) --Wernher 20:09, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Added garbage collection section back into article, reworded to indicate role of hardware/microcode. --Brouhaha 08:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Efficacy of OO, etc?
Can someone explain to me why this line isn't totally POV:

 * Sadly the market appears to have taken away the wrong lesson from the iAPX 432 failure. Generally the market has concluded that object support in the chip leads to a complex design that will invariably run slowly. However it appears that the OO support was not the problem at all, the problems were much more general and would have made any chip design slow.

Sadly -- wrong lesson -- there is much contrary opinion. I would reword: "Chip designers seems to have learned from the 432 that object support leads to .... -- the 432 was a favorite (bad) example in discussions of RISC designs. Whether this is the right lesson is still being debated, etc, etc.   -- gnetwerker 1/1/05 -- DONE - Gnetwerker 18:40, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

External link suggestion
There's currently a link to a paper by King et al. Perhaps a link to the parent web page about the iAPX 432 would be reasonable? I haven't added that since it's my own web page.

 * I guess I'll see to it. Lots of 432 info there, no doubt. --Wernher 20:45, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

250,000 transistors, not 250,000 logic gates ?
> Together the three-chip system used about 250,000 logic gates, making it one of the largest designs of its era; > the contemporary Motorola 68000 contained about 68,000 for instance, about 1/3 of that for its microcode.

I do not have any data to verify it, but I would think that this should probably mean "250,000 transistors" instead of "250,000 logic gates". I think I remember I once found an old iAPX432 preliminary datasheet dated 1978, and if we assume 4 transistors per gate, then 1M Transistors would seem somewhat overambitious even for a three-chip set for the late seventies. Also, I think the 68K was suggested to have 68K transistors, not gates - though this was surely incidental and probably anecdotal, as the M68K should have been named after the successful 6800 series of 8 bit microprocessors.

 * You are correct. The three chips together contain about 250,000 transistors.
 * Of course, it is somewhat silly to add all three together, since a 432 system might have any number of GDPs (43201/43202 pair) and a different number of IPs (43203). It would make more sense to quote the total for the GDP and a separate count for the IP.  Reminds me of a road sign for a town that gave the year the town was founded, the population, and the elevation, then a total.  --Brouhaha 08:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

End Of Life?
Can anyone provide an official "death certificate" for the iAPX 432? Did iNTEL ever officially discontinue the product (perhaps with a press release,) or did it just sort of disappear from the product lineup one year?

The article talks about a "failure", and says that iNTEL was "loath to abandon it entirely" but they must have, at some point, or else I should be able to buy one today.

The brouhaha article gives a 1986 date, but without any formal reference or explanation of why that year was chosen.

--Eliyahu S Talk 00:40, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I/O
The 43203 Interface Processor (IP) allows a more conventional microprocessor to be interfaced as an Attached Processor (AP) to an iAPX 432 system. The AP acts as an intelligent I/O controller. The IP allows the AP to access objects in the iAPX 432 memory through the use of memory-mapped windows, but will enforces the access rights applicable to the objects.

Jamesbootman (talk) 22:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

16 bits vs. 32 bits
Dave House in a 2005 interview states that the project started out as a 16-bit processor, known as the 8816. See http://silicongenesis.stanford.edu/transcripts/house.htm M.smotherman (talk) 02:10, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

It was 32-bits, but not completely; segment size was 64k (16 bit), but the capability registers much larger - IIRR it could support a VM space of far more than 4 GB - I seem to recall 40 or 48 bits. So you could have massive programs and data sets, but individual objects were limited to 64k. That made sense back in 1980 :-) dww  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.9.90.50 (talk) 14:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Instruction Set as P-code
Reading articles about the processor when released I recall that most of the hype was that the instruction set was basically P-code. The idea was that high-level (ie Ada) programs could be as fast as assembler. At the time most Pascal and Ada compilers generated P-code that was then run by an interpreter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.41.222.1 (talk) 02:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

 * P-code is usually defined as code for a virtual machine that is simulated by machine code running on a real processor. The 432 instruction set is not P-code in that sense; it is the native instruction set of the machine, as implemented by the hardware and microcode.  The semantic level of the instruction set is somewhat similar to a typical P-code, but that is true of many stack machines.  --Brouhaha (talk) 08:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Price ?
Given intel's expectations of a 32-bit "super chip", I'm guessing it wasn't cheap to buy :)

And the need for 32-bit support chips presumably made for motherboards significantly dearer than those for x86... So, how much ?

86.25.123.52 (talk) 06:22, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

 * The only info I'm aware is is this $25,000 rumour but it refers to today's collectors' price (if true) rather than then Intel's price. Sofia Koutsouveli (talk) 18:52, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

 * There's some actual component pricing from early 1984 on my web site. At the time, the pricing was somewhat expensive compared to e.g. the Motorola MC68000, but compared to modern x86 processor pricing, even adjusted for inflation, it was not that outrageous. --Brouhaha (talk) 17:12, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

x86 compatible or not?
I think it's not clear from the Intel iAPX 432 article to a non-technical person whether iAPX 432 was x86-compatible or not, so perhaps we should elaborate and explicitly say it was incompatible with x86, what do you think? Sofia Koutsouveli (talk) 18:48, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

So, who exactly?
This article manages to contradict itself within a single paragraph:

...with Justin Rattner as the lead engineer. ... The lead engineer of iAPX 432 was Fred Pollack

Wow. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:50, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Neil Cicierega

PoV
"Cicierega created one of the most original genres of Flash animation..." This bit probably doesn't belong in Wikipedia, which doesn't want content that expresses an opinion. What would be the best way to express this in a more neutral way? AdamAtlas 02:56, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

How about "Some believe that Cicierega created one of the most original genres of Flash animation..." JoeyETS 00:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The change is good, much more accurate as well as unbiased. JoeyETS 22:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Deletion Vote
Vote for Deletion again - If every 17 year old internet geek had an article on Wikipedia then there would be twice as many pages as there are now. Seriously - this guy in unknown to 99.9999% (approximately) of the world's population. Maybe his 'invention' deserves a stub, but I doubt he does. Arcturus 21:54, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Next time you would like to put something on AfD, please do so using the procedures found at WP:AFD. The problem with not following the outlined procedure is that you get a page like this that has had an AfD discussion on the talk page for about a year, with nobody concluding it because it doesn't use the proper templates and does not have a discussion of its own.  Since the vast majority of votes on this page are keep I am going to be bold and "conclude" it, moving the AfD-related contents of the talk page to a separate archive, and adding a "survived pseudo-AfD" notice to the top of the page. --TexasDex 02:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Quite frankly he's prolific enough to warrant his own site. Even as a mere "internet celebrity".203.131.167.26 13:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Neil is a teen-geek idol. He is very famous in that crowd, a veritable genius to some. He deserves an entry here. Middleearthhare 21:57, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe Neil is extremely relevent and his disputes with Eric Bauman should be documented in this and Eric's article. 70.90.61.57 (talk) 17:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Not a wiki user, but this randomly came up. How is this remotely notable enough to be in an encyclopedia? Does every high school garage band or nerd flash animator have a page? If so I'm sure wiki will be tripling in size shortly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.153.248 (talk) 19:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

He's notable for Animutations. He is NOT notable for his music, his band, his self-promotional PR projects or any of his other side projects. Brief internet success in 2001 does not give you a lifetime pass to pollute Wikipedia with references to your non-notable music projects. I've deleted the references to his band (which do NOT have citations aside from links to his own website) and the changes have been reverted three times now, within seconds, by a Cicierega associate claiming to be an objective Wikipedia editor. It's this kind of thing that opens Wikipedia up to accusations that it's no more than a public blog. Once again, Animutations are notable, Cicierega's music is not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.238.97 (talk) 18:00, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

 * i bet this guy feels rather silly now GordonFreeman1997 (talk) 22:29, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Ultimate Showdown: Should It Get It's Own Article?
I voted down the presence of Ultimate Showdown's article a while ago. Back then it wasn't significant, important, or anything. However, now it seems to have become a very, very big online hit and has a cult following big enough to result in incredible increase in traffic to Cicierega's weblog, forums, and ultimately way more album orders. I was thinking; now that it's become such a significant thing, should it have it's own article again? The "list of characters" is rather cumbersome and near-irrelevant to Cicierega himself here, and the huge stuff about it makes it feel like it's all Cicierega is when it isn't. Tenniru 00:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes it is worthy Matilda the rat (talk) 01:55, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

The Ultimate Showdown seems fine where it is, but the "list of fighters" section is more than a little superfluous.

Yeah, I don't think it's important enough to be on the main article either. In fact, it's a bit useless. Any thoughts on if it'd be good to remove it? Tenniru 21:24, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

discography
is dimes an actual cd? cause i think it isn't. it's not on Neil's discography page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mreddy1 (talk • contribs) 02:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I have a copy of Dimes, it's real. Was sold via the old mp3.com cd printing/online sales combo method along with the other Trapezoid albums like Microwave This CD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.27.186.106 (talk • contribs) 22:25, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Lemon Demon
I'm thinking that there may be enough information on Lemon Demon for it to be given its own main article. (Lemon Demon currently redirects here.) Neil is putting together a live band; at past performances they've been a duo, Neil with his friend Alora Lanzillotta as the bassist, but they are now working with a guitarist and drummer, so Lemon Demon will soon be more than Neil. I think the fact that Lemon Demon is frequently played by Dr. Demento meets the WP:MUSIC notability guidelines. Any thoughts? —Adam Atlas 03:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe that Lemon Demon had its own page before, but it was decided that it would be deleted and merged with this one. I could be mistaken. Andrew zot 16:53, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I also think it should have it's own article. Adamatlas said, they've been performing live shows and they're more of a band now. Plus their music has been made into many flash movies and is being distributed across the net. Leemorrison 23:04, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Lemonic Demonade
Was this event worthy of putting the the article? It sounds like Neil intends for this to be an annual event... — X S  G  03:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I think it's supposed to be a quiet and personal thing, not an annual rock fest. Ashibaka tock 04:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Neil has made a passing mention of it on his LiveJournal, although it was nothing more than a "see you next year". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.91.230.250 (talk • contribs) . 13:32, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Um, is there any reason to think that this is any more than just a glorified house party? --128.111.215.14 18:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Other names?
Neil is also known by several names not mentioned at the beginning of this artical. He has also has music produced under the names "Trapezoid", "Deporitaz", and "MEGO vs. SPAGO". Should this be mentioned at the beginning with the others? 24.144.151.182 20:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Trapezoid and Deporitaz are the same thing, and MEGO vs. SPAGO isn't nearly important enough to be mentioned at the beginning, seeing as we only know of two songs done under that name. --BranER 22:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

New Picture
Perhaps there should be a new, clearer picture of Neil at the upper portion of the article? I just thought this might be a good idea seeing as this is the article on Neil Cicierega the person, not just his band. Depending on how exactly things work, there are multiple pictures throughout the Internet of his face, recent ones. Captainstoat 02:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Composition
Neil has done compositional work on a number of short films. Though I'm not sure a complete list is necessary, I think the volume of work produced merits at least a mention. http://www.lemondemon.com/lemondemon/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3679 - 206.75.99.84 20:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Links
Should we make the video links head to WikiLemon articles for the videos instead of the videos themselves? WikiLemon has a lot more useful stuff pertaining to the video, such as transcripts, trivia, and stuff Neil said about the videos. --BranER — Preceding undated comment added 01:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Source
I just edited the opening paragraph to say not that he had a fan following but instead that his videos became popular and were watched millions of times. These facts are included in the Boston Globe article in the references section, so the need for citation is gone. Is this okay? Does anybody have thoughts? JoeyETS 18:33, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
Whomever thought the claim about him being a multiple rapist would be funny needs to grow up. I've removed it; let's not require an edit protection on all of Wikipedia, eh? Berym 13:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC) dude, you are not serious. that ACTUALLY happened? has everyone stooped to the level of ebaum?!?oh wow.--Demoncat 23:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Falsetto
It says he is in the category of falsettos. Is he REALLY a falsetto??? Leemorrison 13:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

He has said that any female-sounding background vocals in his songs are him in falsetto, and he does sing in falsetto occasionally, but I don't know if that qualifies him for the "falsettos" group. 71.114.90.217 15:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

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Cleanup
I have done some cleansing in this article. Much of the informations in this article was about his life, the software he uses and a long list of pretty much everything he ever released on the Internet. He truly deserves a wikipedia article but it should stick to what makes him worthy of one: his known work, his status of the internet, etc. and not a long list of what he has done and how he did it. I understand it's easier to find information on an vivid Internet than for a extremely known composer such as Hans Zimmer —Preceding unsigned comment added by WillTheHedgehog (talk • contribs) 14:16, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

 * I have done some more cleanup, in particular to provide a more neutral point of view. The cleanup tag is still on the article. I leave it to the Wikipedia community to determine if and when it should be removed. The article could use some basic biographical information, for example when and where was he born. Truthanado 16:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Potter Puppet Pals
Given the extreme amount of views for The Mysterious Ticking Noise and its significant popularity above that of even The Ultimate Showdown, is it not worthy of its own article by now? --Mattgcn —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.96.99.223 (talk) 22:02, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I would say so and support the creation of such an article, however I am unfamiliar with the relevancy rules of wikipedia so am unsure if PPP is in fact relevant enough to warrant its own article. The Light6 11:55, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I doubt there's enough information to credit an article of its own. Plus, some wu seem to have a personal vendetta against pages off the internet (e.g. chocolate rain fiasco) 88.110.172.27 (talk) 05:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Is it notable that in Wizard Swears they insult Neville's mother, who is insane at St. Mungo's? The scene seemed a little insensitive. Pizzadinosaur (talk) 01:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Insensitive to an imaginary person. --76.27.38.164 (talk) 11:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I know she's imaginary. I'm just saying that this is the kind of trivial continuity error that people would get a kick out of reading. --Pizzadinosaur (talk) 23:47, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

 * I support this movement! Though I'm a nobody so it probably doesn't matter what I say...I dunno though, it would be nice if there was a little more elaboration. Like, I've been told he does the voices for all of them, but then why is there credit for three other people in his videos? Do they just hold the puppets? But like I said, I'm just an average lurker for the most part.75.2.21.75 (talk) 03:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the other creditted people are usually puppet holders. --67.204.199.151 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:42, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, the Potter Puppet Pals section is taking up a considerable amount of the article. So I agree with this. --88.111.37.25 (talk) 13:35, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

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Dumbledore
In the section about Potter Puppet Pals, it mentions that Dumbledore often strips off his clothes in the videos and that foreshadows JKR's statement that Dumbledore was gay. Am I missing something? It seems like quite a leap to go from public nudity to homosexuality. 70.157.79.165 (talk) 02:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's no good. Removed. tgies (talk) 04:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Why I'm taking Neil Cicierega's Infobox off
I just found out that Neil Cicierega is not an internet celebrity. Don't get me wrong, he does a ton off stuff on the internet, but he's also known as a musical artist who performs for people. That's the thing, he's famous for a lot of stuff, not just being an Internet celebrity. That's why I'm taking his infobox off, and yes, I edited the parts of his page and put an infoboxes on both the Potter Puppet Pals and Lemon Demon. But don't take it as though I was vandalizing it or something, it's true that the Potter Puppet Pals is a real internet video series, that's why it needs an infobox, and Lemon Demon is a real band that performs in real life, that's why it needs an infobox, but the main Neil Cicierega part of the page doesn't need an infobox, because he's the one who created both Potter Puppet Pals and Lemon Demon (and Animutation, forgot to mention that).

Bottom Line: the Neil Cicierega part doesn't need an infobox.

RedRose333 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

 * That doesn't make sense. Whether or not he "does a ton of stuff off the [I]nternet" (which I am hard-pressed to agree with), he is still first and foremost an Internet celebrity. The venue of most of his work is the Internet. He found his "fame", such as it is, on the Internet. He releases 100% of his work exclusively on the Internet.
 * Everybody else seems to disagree with you on this, anyway, so I'd suggest you stop taking off that infobox. You're also violating the three-revert rule, repeatedly. tgies (talk) 23:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Fine, forget everything I said. I promise I'll never take the Infobox off again.

RedRose333 (talk • contribs) 02:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Wiki lemon
Somethings wrong with the site, It showed up an error. Rodimus Rhyme (talk) 04:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah the server broke a while ago, it was suppose to go back a few days ago but I think the guy that's hosting it got lazy. The Light6 (talk) 09:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Trapezoid the goon
This article still needs to mention Neil's notable connection to the Something Awful forums and the raid on Ebaumsworld two years ago. Ninja337 (talk) 20:53, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, his participation in Internet forums and meaningless Internet rivalries is not notable. tgies (talk) 16:37, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's in the Ebaumsworld.com article already, we just need to adapt the information to this article.Ninja337 (talk) 21:46, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find it.
 * "A web site, EbaumsWorldSucks.com, was set up by Newgrounds/Something Awful supporters Neil Cicierega, Shawn Vulliez, and Abi Rendon (a former eBaum's World employee) to document the ongoing eBaum's World controversy. The site hosted a page containing statements from content creators claiming that some of their works appear on eBaum's World without permission. Bauman has demanded that the site be taken down, a request that was ignored."Ninja337 (talk) 04:31, 24 August 200CDFreedom8 (UTC)

Neville
Why do you think Neville is a butternutsquash, He looks more like a potato. Rodimus Rhyme (talk) 01:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Because Neil has said that he is not a potato but a butternut squash, people trying to change it is what caused me to add the citation which you failed to check. It can be found at this link: . The Light6 (talk) 05:33, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

WAIT, WAIT...
WHY THE HECK DOES LEMON DEMON REDIRECT TO HERE!? I mean, Potter Puppet Pals? I wanted the band! 76.173.92.70 (talk) 23:33, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

There's a section on Lemon Demon?? Just look at that.
 * Lemon Demon redirects here because Lemon Demon is just a performance name for Neil. Potter Puppet Pals is by Neil but isn't exclusively Neil's and judging on it's popularity should be notable enough for it's own article (there have been talks to make a separate page but nothing happened), but there is no Potter Puppet Pals band, just Potter Puppet Pals which have animations, live-action videos and music (which doesn't seem to be mentioned in the article either). The Light6 (talk) 04:48, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Potter Puppet Pals has its own article
I split the Potter Puppet Pals section off into its own article, which entailed rewriting almost all of it. It's now a lot more encyclopediac and even cites a few sources here and there.

After the exhaustion of writing all that and citing stuff etc. I couldn't really be bothered with the section on here, so it's kind of short. I think someone should extend it, maybe me in the future. Smurfy 19:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * While I agree that Potter Puppet Pals should have it's own article an administer called Seresin (Talk) does not and has reversed it. The Light6 (talk) 03:26, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

hppp
Shouldn't harry potter puppet pals be a seperate article like the ultime showdown?--Spittlespat (talk) 02:01, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

That's alreday been discussed. Most people think that, but...

but what?-- Spittle spat! ǀ  T  ♦  C  ♦  S  23:05, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you not read the section directly above this one? I think it clearly shows what he means. The Light6 (talk) 16:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, real quick, in the episode "Wizard Swears", i thought voldemort answered the phone "Dark Lord Voldemort speaking", not DR voldemort. they sound alike, but i think i'm right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.111.76 (talk) 17:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Semi-protection
Should this page be semi-protected? It's getting vandalized a lot.
 * Err, any replies yet? YOWUZA  Talk 2 me! 19:00, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Potter Puppet Pals: Internet phenomena?
PPP should have its own spot in the list of Internet Phenomena. MILLIONS of people have viewed it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zxcvbnmalex (talk • contribs) 01:01, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Where did the lemon demon section go
The Lemon Demon paragraph is entirely unsourced and the subsection for "Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny" contains links to two sources, but those links do not actually contain any mention of Cicierega or his band, they're simply general links to an internet radio show.

There has been no independent, objective coverage of Lemon Demon in recognized media, there is no verifiable information about the festival Lemon Demon supposedly headlines, and Google searches yield no information about the band aside from self-promotional material created by Cicierega and his associates.

The claim that Cicierega has more than 1 million plays on Lastfm does nothing to establish notability -- the rapper DZK has had more than 10 million plays on Soundclick, but his Wikipedia page has been repeatedly deleted for not being notable. There are many similar examples -- the number of plays an artist has on Myspace, for example, is not considered a threshold for notability.

As mentioned earlier, Cicierega's Animutations are notable, but his music is largely unknown. Wikipedia is an information source, not a public relations tool, and the burden for notability is on the editors who post information. In this case, it's clear that Lemon Demon does not meet the site's guidelines for notability, and the section on the band should not be reinstated without reliable sources independent of Cicierega and his associates. Stormstrike (talk) 09:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

IT SHOULD STILL BE HERE Smurfy 17:17, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I will re-add it, as I believe it to be a vital part of the page. Pacarama
 * Where are the necessary independent sources to show its real-world notability, then? Without these, the band has no notability. We shouldn't just add content based on some knee-jerk, "I like it" reaction. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 17:41, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Lemon Demon has almost 1.25 million plays on Last.fm, as can be seen here, it yields about 2,500 results when "Lemon Demon" searched for on YouTube and, with 3243 members on the Lemon Demon forum I think it counts as notable. Pacarama (talk) 15:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Where are its reliable, independent sources, though? This is what defines notability, not arbitrary search results and statistics. Unless its real-world context can be verified in this way, there is no justification for it to be covered on Wikipedia; notability is not inherited, either; it being something that NC has done does not make it something that needs to be covered to such depth on Wikipedia. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 15:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Independent and reliable sources are not demanded by policy for absolutely everything in an article. Contributing to overall notability is also not necessary. Notability has to do with the topic, not the content of an article on a notable topic.  Sources can be self-published or otherwise defective, subject to WP:V etc,  if they are what is available for what common sense suggests is something important enough for inclusion in an article on a notable topic.  (e.g., any reasonable source is commonly used for birth and death dates, and the fact that a person was born or died does not contribute to notability)  The article just should not be dominated by such sources and material. The most important policy concerning whether such things should be included is Neutrality - whether undue weight is being given them.John Z (talk) 17:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Why give so much attention to this subject, though, if no reliable sources exist to show its real-world context? This is entirely what WP:UNDUE is about—if the band isn't covered in reliable sources, then we shouldn't be asserting otherwise by giving it such coverage. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 17:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't seem to be a great deal of attention to the subject to me, (I know nothing of the topic and have no idea why this article is on my watchlist though) and there are RS's on Lemon Demon (some gnews hits). "Reliable sources" needs to be read broadly in WP:UNDUE, including notable and acceptable sps's for example; the real question is how important the thing (Lemon Demon) is within the larger topic (Neil Cicierega). People can differ, people debate how much background info is relevant for BLP articles, but it is more a matter of consensus than strict policy exclusion.John Z (talk) 20:02, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The "RS's" you linked include one legitimate source (Boston Globe) mentioning Lemon Demon once, in passing, while the majority of the others look like SEO sites posing as legitimate news sources. It's a tough sell to say if something is mentioned once in a newspaper, it has crossed the notability threshold for Wikipedia -- if that were the case, every person mentioned in a local police blotter could make the same argument. Ultimately, with between one and zero legitimate reliable sources, the question then becomes whether the section on Lemon Demon contains information that is notable to Wikipedia readers, or whether it serves as a public relations tool for Cicierega and Lemon Demon. Because there's evidence Cicierega and people associated with his projects have edited this page, and because there's a clear dearth of information on the band elsewhere, the section on Lemon Demon essentially serves as free advertising space for Cicierega. I am not aware of any rule or guideline on Wikipedia that says if a person has achieved notability in one area, he or she has a lifetime pass to pollute Wikipedia with their self-promotional materials. Once again, the burden of notability is on the editors who added that section, not with those who have deleted it. Stormstrike (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 10:03, 28 June 2009 (UTC).

 * I have restored the details of Lemon Demon as they are clearly notable and there is no consensus to remove them. Note that Lemon Demon redirects here and so we must provide relevant content or spin it off as a separate article. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * How could it be spun off? There's only one secondary source to justify its inclusion here. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 17:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Lemon Demon has several members and so it is arguably better to cover them separately rather than an as a subsection of the article for just one of them. Colonel Warden (talk) 18:22, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Wonder if this well end up on WP:LAME? :) -- YOWUZA Talk 2 me! 18:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's one of his projects and therefore a relevant enough subject to Neil Cicierega; the article as a whole is underdeveloped, so to go splitting out its constituent parts seems far too rash right now, especially with the single secondary source the LD section has. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 18:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Semi-related: do we really need a View Monster article? Pacarama
 * Definitely not; that doesn't even make any assertion of notability. I've redirected it for now. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 16:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Lemon Demon section removed again. It is unsourced, unverified material and there has been nothing to support the claim that the band (not Cicierega himself) meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. The two "sources" that subsequent editors keep restoring do not link to any mention of Lemon Demon; the links lead to a generic description of a radio program. Once again, the burden is on those who wish to add the section to prove the band is notable -- Wikipedia is not a public relations tool for Cicierega and his associates to advertise projects that have not had widespread recognition or impact, and the site's guidelines are very clear in asserting that advertising or promotional copy is not allowed. Stormstrike (talk) 06:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Define "associates"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.214.75 (talk) 15:57, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it's worth a whole article, but it's certainly worth a short paragraph that, at the very least, explains who recorded the Ultimate Showdown. Not only that, but the section was deleted in a very half-assed manner, leaving Ultimate Showdown and the Deporitaz discography in the Potter Puppet Pals section. Chiphead (talk) 20:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

 * The notability standards for music acts are high, and Cicierega is known for his Animutations, not his music. Again, notoriety for one thing does not guarantee you the right to deface wikipedia with public relations materials about your side projects for the rest of your natural life. Notice that the Wiki entry for Keanu Reeves says nothing about his little-known and not-particularly-celebrated rock music efforts. That's because he is an actor, and he is known publicly for his acting. Cicierega is known as the creator of a short-lived internet fad that didn't spread beyond its own small corner of the web. And most of those people who watched his flash movies have no idea what his name is. His band is not well known, and his proponents and associates have been devious in linking to supposed "sources" that contain no mention of Lemon Demon or even Cicierega. That kind of deception smacks of people who feel Wikipedia is their personal public relations platform, just another Facebook where they can celebrate themselves for their imagined fame. In reality, the burden is on you to prove Lemon Demon is notable. Until you can do that, please refrain from adding this unsourced, unverified information back into the article. Stormstrike (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC).
 * I made a much scaled down version of the Lemon Demon article. The Boston Globe article is a suitable source which describes the band at some length, as well as the Newgrounds link for Ultimate Showdown which shows it to have far more views than Animutations. The Potter Puppet Pals section could use a similar cleanup-- a play-by-play of each episode isn't really needed. I think the main articles for Ultimate Showdown and Animutations are unnecessary as well (especially since neither of them are as popular as PPP, which doesn't have its own article.) --Trapezzoid (talk) 00:03, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Personal life
Don't most biographical articles [regardless of their on/offline notability] have "personal life" sections? The least I know is that he has a sister, Emmy Cicierega. I'm sure that he has parents, too, or something like that. Paperxcrip (talk) 05:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently Neil Cicierega used to post on the somethingawful.com forums under the username Trapezoid according to this thread (and here's a link to his posts in that thread). There's a good amount of information to be found there, including that he was homeschooled after he killed another kid when he was eleven  (he claims the other kid was bullying him), and as recently as 2008 he lived in his parents' basement and their ten cats, who were part of what he calls a "cattery business." I hope someone finds this useful. tildetildetildetilde  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.69.63 (talk) 01:45, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Looks like Neil was "permabanned" from Something Awful a couple months ago: http://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php?userid=53712 --JohnnyLurg (talk) 04:33, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Discography
The Album titles in the Discography section need to be in Italics instead of surrounded by quotation marks. The way it is, they look like individual songs or singles, but they are really full albums. I would do it myself if I knew how71.130.206.82 (talk) 07:36, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

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Dr. Demento #1
The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny was #1 on the Dr. Demento show for the year 2006, as seen on this end-of-the-year playlist: http://dmdb.org/cgi-bin/plinfo.pl?drd06.1231.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weirdojace (talk • contribs) 08:14, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Should Spirit Phone get its own article?
I'm not sure if it would meet wikipedia's notability guidelines, but out of all of Cicierega's albums, it seems to have the most reputable reviews online (including a video review by Anthony Fantano), and was the first Cicierega physically distributed in many years. Cicierega also released a commentary for it, so there would likely be enough to write in a "music and lyrics" section. LilyT (talk) 22:31, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * To be fair, it was also the first LP of original music he'd released in a nearly a decade (by any means). —BlackTerror (talk) 21:53, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I hate to be THAT GUY, but 8 years does not a decade make. casualdejekyll 20:33, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd say Yes per the reasons listed above. Paintspot Infez (talk) 13:15, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Discography issue
To whomever was adding 1998 and 1999 to Neil's discography last month (and if they proceed to), these are added pieces of unofficial uploads of music under the name Deporitaz on Spotify by a random fan and are just the MIDI files that Neil published to his Youtube channel (and Patreon I believe). Peeper811 (talk) 14:43, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Personal life
Hi! I was recently reading this article and I realized that the "Personal Life" section is very short, I totally respect that the guy might not have shared a lot of information about his life, but I feel like you could find something more about his family, for example, his brother (who you can find information on) is mentioned once, and not even by name. I personally don't know how to edit articles, but I feel like someone reading this does. Lemondemonfan56 (talk) 22:16, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

 * I'd entirely agree. I put in extra information recently, including the name of his daughter and a mention of his pet cats, but it was reverted. Evidently someone did not think the information was relevant enough or thought it was too personal, which I can understand. Mikuvoicefeminization (talk) 09:44, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Sketch Comedy
There is no substantial mention of his sketch comedy work on YouTube with New Kids on the Rock or Guaranteed Videos, which makes up a substantial portion of his professional creative career outside of his viral hits. I feel information about these projects should be added to his career section. 104.192.239.173 (talk) 19:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:Neil Cicierega


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We should move this to OMON. There are 8,600 hits on Google for "OMON" and "Russia," and only 127 under this title. Plus every author of fiction and non-fiction seems to use the OMON term. -Joseph (Talk) 02:59, 2004 Oct 10 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Chris 73 Talk 11:53, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)

Needs radical improvement
The factual items of the article are largely incorrect. Authors, do you speak Russian enough to understand Russian TV? Forgive my intolerance, but do we have a WP template for bullshit? Actually, I don't care about RF pages. But this one is a part of the common Soviet heritage so I have a full right to question it. You people work harder on it, or should I write the Real OMON page? Best wishes, AlexPU
 * I wrote most of the article, based on different online sources. I do not speak russian. You are very welcome to improve the article, but please use a neutral point of view. The article should NOT read like a promotion brochure from Omon. In any case, could you give more detail on what you believe the factual errors are? -- Chris 73 Talk 03:57, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi Chris. First of all, I question organization/subordination issues. SOF? Federal level? Comparing to FSB (that nonsense navbox downthere)? By "denying" I mean that I live in USSR for all my freaking life, and the nearest OMON/Berkut base is few blocks from my house (not to mention that I'm a local journalist). I guess all these structure nonsenses come from Spetsnaz page and also low standards of those Western journalists who describe CIS affairs. I had no time for reading the middle of the article, but will study it more thoroughly. And also, OMON "using helicopters" (at least outside Chechnya) is definitely a non-sense. To be more straight, I tell you: OMON is nothing else than a Soviet militsiya analog of SWAT but with deeper involvment in ordinary police tasks. OMON's mission in Chechnya is explained by the bitter personnel lack, not by its (imagined) SOF nature. Every militsioner in Russia have a chance to get there one day. I hope to present you my broader remarks on the issue ASAP. And I'm far from promoting OMON, militsiya or any Russian government body. Forgive my emotional style. Best wishes, AlexPU
 * Hi AlexPU. I am not a professional journalist, just a volunteer editor, and I am no expert on OMON. Feel free to change the article as needed, and I would be happy if you could expand and improve the article. -- Chris 73 Talk 13:52, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

Ok, Chris. I'll see how much time I can find for this. It doesn't matter if you're a journalist or not. Instead, you seem to be a "professional" English writer (unlike me :(, and more, you're an admin. So I count on your copyediting and Wikitechnology help on this page. Best wishes, AlexPU
 * Deal. You write, I copyedit :) -- Chris 73 Talk 23:02, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * Took you at your word :), Chris. For something to start with, why don't you remove that navbox at the bottom (not only from here, but everywhere)? FPS definitely has nothing to do with police, FSB is only partially related, while all the rest may be generalized under either MVD or militsiya terms. It's so misleading, that deletion is definitely the best decision. I need some time to formulate a new one.

 * Removed "black berets" as misleading. They did have them in 1980s, but, since 1960s, black beret is a constant and official headwear for Russian marines.

 * BTW, Chris, can I address you (as admin) regarding non-OMON issues? First, is there any way to have the statistics of opening pages for reading? I think it would be very useful for guiding the contributing efforts, and other guys agree with me. At least, where can I raise this question best (links to special Wiki talks?)?

 * And, consider doing something to our Russian fellows, namely, to their weird priorities. I mean they eagerly edit (and vandalize : Ukrainian and other pages. But, at the same time, they refrain from working on the very fundamental Russian articles. E.g., nobody moved his ass to create Russian Navy and Black Sea Fleet (until I started shouting) - while those things are extremely emotional for Russian patriotic pride. Not to mention OMON, which is much more informing about modern Russia, than, for example, Nevsky Prospekt Paradox, you know. AlexPU

 * Thanks for your edits. They look good to me. About the navbox: You can modify it on Template:Police forces of Russia.
 * Most popular pages: List of articles frequently visited through Google shows the most popular pages we get from Google. Most Referenced Articles shows the most referenced articles within Wikipedia. There is (was) a page listing the number of accesses to all individual articles, but I can't find that now. Requested articles and Requests for expansion list articles that were requested explicitly for creation/expansion. Special:Wantedpages also shows a list of pages that are linked to but do not yet exist.
 * About article creation: All people here are volunteers, there is no specific plan when to write what, hence sometimes important topics get overlooked in favor of less important topics. Nothing I can do about that. They can be isted on the pages above, but this may or may not help. Hope these answers are useful to you.-- Chris 73 Talk 01:05, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

 * IMHO, a SEE ALSO entry pointing to the French Gendarmerie Nationale would be fruitful. The tasks, capabilities and training of the OMON are much closer to those of the gendarmes than to SWAT units, among others. Main and only difference: the French Gendarmerie is (oddly enough) subordinated to the Ministry of Defense. --Emigrant123 20:36, 21 August 2005 (UTC)Emigrant123

Black berets: They, um, do wear black berets. Even here in the illustration. --HanzoHattori 18:24, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

What the Hell is the OMON Tiger-Unit? The Tiger ist used by MVD as a sign for the far east (amur river region) military district (as in the interior forces - bear for siberia, deer for the Volga district, a horse for the northern Caucasus...). In this case the picture shows a patch of the Ussuiyrsk (in the far east) Special task force.

Oblast
For me, it doesn't really make sense to specify that Moscow city has an OMON force which is different from the one of Moscow Oblast, as Moscow city is not part of Moscow Oblast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.76.75.187 (talk) 20:29, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikiproject Law Enforcement tag

 * I removed the WP:LE tag because it appears this article is more about a military unit than a Law enforcement agency.EMT1871 16:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if OMOH officers realize that OMOH is HOMO backwards? And if they would change the name when they do. ~Sergey~
 * The letter "H" in OMOH is a letter "N". So OMOH backwards "NOMO." So why would they change it?
 * It is an 'N' in Russia, still an inside joke for english speaking countries, and of course several photos of them standing in front of reflective surfaces. Ironic given their role in assisting the enforcement of the laws there.Cliveklg (talk) 10:03, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Homo mean "human". Guess they are. --HanzoHattori 14:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * But then again that could be why they changed their name to KON, so that people in Latin countries wouldn't get their giggles by flipping a photo of a man in an OMON uniform. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 03:25, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Like this 90.184.223.136 (talk) 20:04, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Article
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/11/wrussia11.xml

needs info on their riot gear
Short. --HanzoHattori 14:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Done Degen Earthfast (talk) 21:54, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Unsourced
OMON has been accused of corruption, including protection money, to improve their salaries. Since August 1999 they have also been accused of checking the identity papers of anybody who seems to be a foreigner in order to extract bribes from illegal migrants. In the early 1990s there have also been allegations that the group appears to not always be under the full control of the government and often acts independently.

--HanzoHattori 18:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

POV
Article is too biased, in my opinion. It looks like a Dissenters' fly-sheet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.110.57.87 (talk) 07:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I notice that all the high profile operations are bad. I also notice that in some cases those are just allegations. This article is ridiculous; it cannot possibly be presenting a neutral point of view. 74.14.101.89 (talk) 01:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Belarus....
Why is there a headline for OMON in Belarus but no article below? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.17.167.114 (talk) 18:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

OMON to OPON?
In Russia, The OMON Unit currently (May 3 2011) is subordinate to the CSN - Center for Special Purpose, Because the Militsiya was dissolved earlier this year(In March 1 2011), and the President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev formed the Politsiya - The Police in his Czarist Name. So the the troops name (OMON) is just did not match to the current situation, about this unit in particulary and about the Police of Russian Federation, in General. Some people thought that the new name is OPON - Politsiya instead Militsiya, but is not true and there is a report about the establishment of Center for Special Purposes, officially: The Center for Special Purposes Forces of Operational Reaction. So, the article shuold to change his name?
 *  M@xim  | Max, May 3 2011, 18:35 [Jerusalem Time] (IDT) —Preceding undated comment added 15:35, 3 May 2011 (UTC).
 * Hi, Max! Recently, the russian government decided to keep the OMON name, despite the change from Militsiya (Militia) to Politsiya (Police). They came up with a new abbreviation, which is Otryad Mobilniy Osobogo Naznacheniya (Special Purpose Mobile Unit). This has been stated at the russian wikipedia article for OMON (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9D_%28%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F%29) with all the required prooflinks. I'd love to change the english article for OMON myself, but I'm afraid I won't do justice to it. Whoever is watching over this article, please apply the require changes, and thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.26.47.174 (talk) 14:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Motto
The motto mentioned by "The Telegraph" author (its image, probably taken on the same press-conference, can be seen here) is not that of OMON but that of Spetsnaz. The latter is quite a general term for Russian special forces but it does not include OMON. Abolen (talk) 22:50, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

South Ossetian OMON != Russian OMON
"the South Ossetian separatist OMON took" It's not the Russian OMON and i thought the article is about the Russian OMON ? South Ossetia is not Russia! There is no connection beside the name, it would be the same if I say British marines are the same as US marines.

Picture
The first picture is humiliating, there is no sense to show them how they are shopping ?!? The only sense of the picture is to undermine their capabilities and discipline and to show them in a bad light. This is not objective! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.254.111.50 (talk) 17:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

It is still active.
In the article it is said, that OMON was disbanded in the 2016. But it is not true. It was made part of the National Guard, but units still exist. You can find the information about its activity in the official site of the Russian national guard (in Russian only): http://rosgvard.ru/pri-silovoj-podderzhke-omona-zaderzhany-podozrevaemye-v-sovershenii-moshennichestva-v-osobo-krupnom-razmere/ In this news i is said^ that "Muscovite OMON unit of the Federal National Guard was participating in the arrest of three persons, who are suspects in the fraud case" (very rough translation). So, this units are still active. Please, change the information.Pvjatchkilev (talk) 17:30, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

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Semantics: зачистка =/= "Cleansing"
Without in any way arguing about claims of brutality and illegal activities of the servicemen, which are described in the section on Chechen war, I would like to raise the issue of translation. The Russian word "зачистка", in regards to a military or law enforcement operation, is translated into English as "sweep". If we go into splitting hairs, this Russian word is indeed semantically more intense - the closest direct equivalent would be the word "cleanup". But in practical terms, зачистка is traditionally used both in media and by authorities to denote sweeping raids, e. g. of the same nature NATO coalition forces performed in Iraq or Afghanistan.

The notion of "zachistka" involves combat patrols, ID sweeps, leads investigation, targeted raids and searches (with all the potential of abusing one's responsibilities, of course), and implies that active enemy combatants are strongly suspected to be in the AoE. Meanwhile, cleansing is a political or punitive action aimed at intimidation, terror and straight up murder. Thus, I move to change the strongly loaded translation "cleansing" with the more neutral and fitting "sweep" and derivatives thereof. (Note: "cleansing" has its equivalent in Russian, "чистка"; "ethnic cleansing" would be "этнические чистки".) AyeBraine (talk) 05:11, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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OMON original.jpg
This image has been reversed on the x-axis. This is clear from the obvious fact the name OMOH reads like HOMO (a very popular joke these days), and their sleeve patches are on the wrong sides (the unit insignia should be worn on the right arm and the national flag on the left). 70.26.131.40 (talk) 18:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely correct, it seems to be someone's poor attempt at a joke. I've reverted their edit. Kryomaani (talk) 04:01, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

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Giorgio Sadotti

Giorgio Sadotti (born 1955 in Manchester, UK) is a conceptual artist based in London.

In 1993, Sadotti exhibited at City Racing, and in 1996 participated in a group show organised by City Racing at Bricks and Kicks in Vienna run by Muntean and Rosenblum. Other solo exhibitions include the Henry Moore Institute (2006).

He described his work, Went to America Didn't say a word (1999): "On the morning of Saturday March 20, 1999, I flew on American Airlines from London Heathrow to New Yorks John F. Kennedy airport. I was wired for sound and upon arrival switched on my mini-disc recorder. I stayed overnight at a hotel on Lexington and 21st and flew back to London the following evening whilst in America I didn't say a word, but all my waking hours were recorded. He then exhibited the recordings in a three day exhibition. In order to experience the whole show the spectator would have to stay in the gallery for the full duration."

His work is held in the collection of the Tate and the British Council Art Collection. In 2003 he won a Paul Hamlyn Award for visual arts.

In December 2012, Sadotti exhibited in a one-person show at studio1.1, east London.

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Sexual disorder

A sexual disorder is a type of medical condition which may refer to:

 * Sexual dysfunction (e.g., erectile dysfunction, hypoactive sexual desire disorder, female sexual arousal disorder, anorgasmia, delayed ejaculation, premature ejaculation, spontaneous orgasm, sexual anhedonia, dyspareunia, vaginismus)
 * Paraphilia
 * Hypersexuality
 * Sex offending
 * Disorders of sex development
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Talk:John Howard (American actor)

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Citation?
Does anyone know where i can find his Silver Star citation? It would be great to know which vessel he served on... V. Joe (talk) 18:41, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:John Howard (Australian actor)

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Citation
Not sure how to use the same citation for different parts of the article, so if someone can fix that or give me a hint, that would be great. Here's a list of all the films, TV shows, and play's he's participated in from this :

Theater
Black Swan Theatre Company:
 * Shrine
 * Rising Water

Sydney Theatre Company:
 * The Recruit
 * Mongrels
 * The Life of Falileo
 * Dead White MAles
 * Coriolanus
 * The Crucible
 * Much Ado About Nothing
 * Measure for Measure
 * The Life and Adventures of Nicholas Nickleby
 * The Cherry Orchard

State Theatre Company of South Australia:
 * The Rover
 * King Lear

Queensland Theatre Company:
 * Gift of the Gorgon

Melbourne Theatre Company:
 * Nothing Sacred

Nimrod Theatre:
 * King Lear
 * On Our Selection

TV

 * Janet King
 * City Homicide
 * Packed to the Rafters
 * All Saints
 * Jessica
 * Always Greener
 * Changi
 * Sea Change
 * State Coroner
 * Heartbreak High
 * Wildside
 * Children's Hospital
 * Blue Heelers
 * Cop Shop
 * Silent Reach
 * A Town Like Alice
 * Young Ramsay

Film

 * 25
 * Jindabyne
 * Am Man's Gotta Do
 * Japanese sStory
 * In A Savage Land
 * Blackrock
 * Young Einstein
 * Razorback
 * The Club

I'm not sure what to include or what's irrelevant. Hibbit (talk) 04:16, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Adelaide railway station

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"Almost all trains either depart or terminate from the station" - what do the other trains do?
 * Depart or terminate from somewhere else, I'd imagine. Ambi 03:05, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Prolly the casino upstairs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thortful  (talk • contribs) 01:18, October 10, 2004 (UTC)

Still tortured English
"Almost all trains either depart or terminate from the station." As the station cannot handle through trains, it is a silly statement. And how does a train "terminate from the station"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.16.122 (talk • contribs) 01:30, December 24, 2004 (UTC)

Templates on Railway Station pages
From User talk:Cyberjunkie

You replaced the line information I added to Adelaide Railway Station with adjacent station information. I would like to have both as used in Tokyo Station and other Japanese train stations (and the ja wikipedia for Tokyo Station as an example) Softgrow 07:57, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Having each template is excessive, which is why I intend to replace them with station adjacency templates. The complete line information could be retained for use in each line article.--cj | talk 06:19, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll copy this discussion to Talk:Adelaide_Railway_Station and continue there. Softgrow 06:30, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * A consensus among editors should be reached on this matter. You can't just decide the matter yourself.
 * I've stated the common use in Japan in both the English and Japanese wiki. Looking around both line and adjacency templates are used in Eastwood railway station, Sydney. Comment from other editors is invited. Softgrow 06:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a fair comment that cj makes about some of the inner southern lines having three blocks and some two blocks of templates, and I have talked to cj about this before, but in the case of Adelaide Railway Station perhaps the five is a bit unnecessary as it is obvious that it is the start of the rail system. Also, some suburbs have two council areas, and we put two templates on these, so being part of two rail lines is not too bad IMHO. It would be best if there was a way of making a template, where you can click "expand" or "hide" when you want to see the whole line. I don't know if this exists.Blnguyen 07:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't say I'd go ahead - I said it was my intention to replace them. What I was proposing to do is the same as has been done with other Australian train stations. The station you point to seems to be an exception. Even still, it doesn't correspond directly to what had been done here. Blunguyen, such a thing does exist - in fact I've used it quite a few times.--cj | talk 07:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's the page with line templates on it.
 * The shortcoming I see with having adjacent station's only as a reader is probably not interested in the station that is geographically adjacent. They would be interested in stations that are accessible on the network in one journey from that station. This is particularly so in the case of Adelaide station as (with the exception of Bowden) most trains do not stop at the adjacent station.
 * Looking at the existing templates there are probably too many which doesn't help. The Tonsley line is really a branch line off the Noarlunga line and should be part of the same template. (TransAdelaide and Adelaide Metro treat it as one). The Grange line could be considered a branch off the Outer Harbor line at Woodville). Disused stations could also be dropped. These measures would reduce the amount of screen real estate devoted to the templates but still allow the reader to navigate from station to station easily. Softgrow 09:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Article name
Should the name of the article be simply Adelaide station?Endrū Hejs (talk) 12:16, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Endrū Hejs, the answer is no as per the following link from the state government agency responsible for public transport in Adelaide - Adelaide Railway Station Near: 125 North Tce, Adelaide Stop Code: 16490. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 11:38, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

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The reason cited for this action was “''Unapproved edition. . please specific all the changes with reference”.'' Well, besides being unclear what exactly you mean by “unapproved”, I would argue that it is quite clear that Wikipedia article development proceeds by consensus, and there is clearly no “approved edition” of any article on Wikipedia at any time - Wikipedia simply does not work that way. And if it does, then could you please explain to me who it was who approved it, on what basis and criteria, alongside the location/forum where that discussion and approval is recorded?

As for the justification “please specific all the changes with reference“ I would argue that this is clearly not grounds for a blanket reversion of 28 intermediate revisions by 2 users over a period of 5+weeks – particularly when most changes were simply copy (rather than content) edits – edits aimed at improving existing content. Similarly, rejecting edits such as the renaming of a heading, or the moving of an image or sentence simply because there was no “specific all the changes with reference” is clearly a misunderstanding of how citations work. I also note that you yourself have made 41 edits to this article since 2 July, however none of these included references. Further exploration of the article's edit history shows a similar warning that was added by yourself on 6 July (one that was quickly deleted by another user), namely “*IMPORTANT* ALL INFORMATION WITH NO EVIDENCE WILL BE EDITED OR DELETED”, which to me begins to raise warning bells (despite Assume good faith) regarding possible perceptions of Ownership of content.

Further, I note that you have been on and off Wikipedia for about 6 months. I recall, when I was at a similar period (about 8 years ago), I often boldly edited too, always in good faith, but often without a complete knowledge of the required or acceptable procedures and protocols. To that end, I would strongly argue that the onus is on yourself as the reverter to be specific and clearly explain, based on Wikipedia's protocols, why any individual edit is determined to be detrimental to the article, rather than a blanket rejecting of all edits. As facilitation, I would invite perusal of articles such as What Wikipedia is not, Edit warring, Disruptive editing, and BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Please note that I am more than happy to discuss in detail each of the 28 individual edits that have been reverted, and look forward to hearing your specific input to this discussion. Thank you. JabberJawJAPAN talk 14:18, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Platform count
Hi all,

I've noticed the platform count on this page has been edited recently. Anyone who uses the station would know that there are 9 platforms. Station signage and announcements attest to this. I've gone ahead and changed it back to "9 (4 island, 1 side)". If you look at the Wikipedia page for Perth Railway Station, it currently reads, in regard to platforms: "9 (1 island underground, 2 island above ground & 3 side above ground)". So, it seems that railway stations are now being described in this way, ie a total platform count listed, followed by the number of island and side platforms in brackets. The number added up in brackets does not equal the total number listed before the brackets, because each island platform is only considered 1 single platform in the bracketed section.

I don't edit on Wikipedia often, so would like to hear everyone's thoughts. Whatever the consensus, I think we should still list 9 platforms as the total in this article, due to the station signage and announcements reflecting this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.91.186.49 (talk) 20:31, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

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Zbigniew Lengren

Zbigniew Lengren (2 February 1919 in Tula – 1 October 2003 in Warsaw) was a Polish cartoonist, caricaturist, and illustrator. He was awarded the "Order of Smile" amongst other, numerous awards. His most famous creation is Professor Filutek, who appeared once a week on the last page of Przekrój magazine, together with his dog Filuś, for over 50 years, a record run in Polish comics. Lengren was also a writer, especially of poems for children.

In 1947, whilst a Fine Arts student of the Nicolaus Copernicus University, he won a competition to design the Super Ex Libris for the University Library. The design is still in use today.

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James Sanders Holman

James Sanders Holman (February 7, 1804 – December 8, 1867) was a soldier, entrepreneur, and the first mayor of Houston.

Early life
Holman was born in Murfreesboro, Tennessee to Isaac and Polly Anne (Wiggleworth) Holman on February, 7, 1804. When he was about 13 years old, his family moved to Lincoln County, Tennessee. He married a first cousin Martha Wilson Holaman just after he turned 18 years old. He had at least 8 children.

Career
Holman first arrived in Texas in 1834. His brother followed him to San Augustine, Texas, with several family members joining them the next year. Holman participated in the Texan Revolution, and fought in the Siege of Bexar. In 1836, the Allen brothersAugustus Chapman and John Kirby hired Holman as a real estate agent for the paper town of Houston. His signature appears on the city's earliest known map, and also on many early deeds, as he both advertised and sold Houston lots.

Late in 1836, Holman organized the Texas Railroad, Navigation, and Banking Company with Augustus Chapman Allen and several others. The First Congress of the Republic of Texas granted the corporation a charter to construct canals and railroads, and to establish a bank after accumulating stock subscriptions of $1 million. The company, however, did not survive sustained political attacks by Anson Jones and the Panic of 1837.

Holman served as clerk for Harris County, Texas, and while serving in this position, he assisted in bringing an incorporation bill for Houston in the Texas Congress.

On June 5, 1837, the Republic of Texas granted a municipal charter to Houston. In a three-way contest for mayor, Holman beat Francis Lubbock and Thomas J. Ward, 12-11-10. After he was elected in August 1837, her served for just three months. After a failed campaign to gain a seat in congress in 1838, he was elected as district clerk of Harris County and served from February 1839 to April 1841.

During the American Civil War, he served on the Texas State Military Board from 1864 to 1865, a body established to help the Confederacy trade with foreign powers in spite of a blockade from the Union. After the war, he supervised construction of the Houston and Texas Central Railway.

Death and legacy
Holman succumbed to yellow fever in Bryan, Texas on December 8, 1867. The city of Houston named Holman Avenue after him.

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Archytas (crater)

Archytas is a lunar impact crater that protrudes into the northern edge of Mare Frigoris. To the northwest is the comparably sized crater Timaeus, and the smaller Protagoras lies in the opposite direction to the southeast. Further to the southwest, beyond the opposite edge of the mare, is the dark-floored crater Plato.

The rim of Archytas is sharp-edged and shows little appearance of erosion due to subsequent impacts. The outer wall is nearly circular, with a slight outward bulge in the southeast. The interior is rough, with a ring of material deposited at the base of the inner wall. Just to the east of the crater midpoint is a pair of central peaks.

The surface surrounding the crater is relatively smooth to the south due to the lava flows that formed the mare. The surface is more rugged to the north and northeast. The satellite crater Archytas B, located to the northwest of Archytas, forms a lava-flooded bay along the edge of the Mare Frigoris.

Archytas is a crater of Eratosthenian age.

Satellite craters
By convention these features are identified on lunar maps by placing the letter on the side of the crater midpoint that is closest to Archytas.

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