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The following cocerning the botanical gardens has been removed:

 * In the nineteen-nineties, a peyote cactus in the hot house was stolen, allegedly by local youths after watching the film Young Guns.

The original editor said this is a local story (I entered "alledgedly"). Can it be verified for inclusion again, or is it an urban myth?

Dainamo 01:45, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I added it, I recall it as being true but it was 15 years ago, and possibly exageration. As for the chalk letters, we didn't damage them, just slightly rearrange them... 62.3.233.9 01:34, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Captain Hockney
I removed the following reference to the Captain:

 * ...a large and rundown building in the centre of town cells all kind of odd stock. It is run by a gentleman billing himself Captain Hockney.

as it seemed slightly derogatory (calling his place run-down) and not particularly informative. But if anyone's got any more info on him, and why he's worthy of special mention in the article, then bring it on. Naturenet 13:40, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

He really was called Captain Hockney, and the place wis pretty run down, although that's kinda editorial. 62.3.233.9 01:34, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

You're right - he appeared recently in the Country Press having his shop accused of looking untidy, so he's still there, but I think passing judgement on it is best left to newspapers and the Council, rather than this article. Naturenet 11:08, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Celebrate Ventnor Day
I removed the reference to Celebrate Ventnor Day. As far as I know it only happened once - maybe it will happen again, but it's hardly a major event at the moment. And what about the Smuggling Pageant? I've never heard of it. Anyone else? Naturenet 22:45, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, celebrate ventnor day has happend more than once now, to my knowledge, so I've put it back in. It appears to be a thing for locals more than tourists. It's possible that the smuggling pagaent no longer runs. It ran up to when I left in 1994. 62.3.233.9 01:34, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I don't think either of them are running any more. I can find no reference to them anywhere on or offline, and nobody I know in Ventnor has heard of them. Plus an enquiry on iwight.com forums about Celebrate Ventnor Day brought no response. Can anyone provide any evidence that these events are real? If not, they're going. Naturenet 15:45, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Gone Naturenet 11:09, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * The Smuggling Pageant did exist and ran for a number of years, my grandmother (now deceased) was one of the organisers. I'm afraid I don't know too much about it as I was a disinterested teenager but my father was also involved (roped in) so he might know some more. Photos https://www.flickr.com/photos/ericiw/13947331765/in/photostream/ --Heathd (talk) 09:19, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Mark King (Level 42)
Wasn't he born and schooled in Cowes? Dainamo 00:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

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User talk:Waka

So like, say something.

I think you reverted my changes in Adventure game too hastily. I moved the information contained in the paragraph you reverted into two paragraphs later on and expanded on it a bit. With your revert, there are duplicate sentences in the article. I'm not positive that there are fewer total adventure games sold now than there were in 1991, since there are a lot more video games total sold now than in 1991. There certainly could be, and it does seem like it, but I think we should get a source for that. The demiurge 04:55, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Hi there, sorry about that. I managed to miss the fact that you'd moved the paragraphs around--I thought you'd just removed that first section of text. I've reverted back to your edit.

I do think it's valid to say that the Adventure genre is in serious decline though. In the mid-1990s, Adventure games rivaled Platformers in their popularity; titles like The Secret of Monkey Island, Alone the the Dark, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Phantasmagoria, 7th Guest, Sam and Max, Full Throttle, Myst, Day of the Tentacle, Space Quest, Leisure Suit Larry, Broken Sword, Kings Quest, Gabriel Knight, Rise of the Dragon, The Last Express, Bad Mojo, Journeyman Project, Loom, etc were considered the cream of the crop. I think that the last few years have seen the Adventure genre waste away into obscurity; there are plenty of games released, but almost none of them are (apparently) of interest to the public. Excepting the Myst sequels, Still Life and Siberia, there genre is basically nonexistent relative to the rest of the game industry. It might be the case that the number of releases per year has not fallen (I can't seem to find hard data to prove this one way or the other), but certainly the quality of those releases (in aggregate) has decreased and the publics interest has waned. Note that I am not counting hybrids like Survival Horror or Beyond Good and Evil.

Anyway, I think your edits are fine and I apologize for rolling them back prematurely. --waka 07:15, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I think it's in decline too, but while you see almost no "hardcore gamers" talking about adventure games, they're still doing surprisingly well if you look at sales on the Amazon most popular PC game list, for example. Not that that is a very scientific way to deterimine total sales either, but I've seen plenty of adventure games I've never heard about when I look at the bargain software at retailers.  The demiurge 16:59, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

I'm certain that there are a higher volume of Adventure games than there were before, but I think the audience has shrunk and the quality has declined in aggregate. There are a few extremely good Adventure games still making their way through the popular market, but the rest of the genre has become a niche, confined to value software for PCs. The degree to which Adventure games have fallen is amazing--Myst is one of the most popular games of all time, but these days even the highest quality Adventure titles can't even compete against platformers and first person shooters; it's a whole 'nother league. Witness the cancellation last year of LucasArt's Sam and Max remake, the Europe and Japan-only release of Broken Sword: The Sleeping Dragon for PS2/Xbox, the transition of the Leisure Suit Larry franchise from solid Adventure mechanics to a collection of mini-games. Microids spent $2.5 million on Syberia, and it was their most expensive game to date (linked article calls it a "huge gamble"). But the average Playstation 2 game costs between $5 and $15 million to produce. The economies are different because the audience size is different... because Adventure is now only a minor footnote in the grand scheme of things. Survival Horror carries on the mechanics, but the Adventure genre defined by the mid-1990's games is long gone. All that said, I think the way the article reads is correct. Someone unfamiliar with the genre should get the correct impression given what we have there. --waka 06:17, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Proposed Earless Hoichi move...
You seem to have done most of the real work on that article, so I figured you might have an opinion on my proposal to move it to Hoichi the Earless, which is by far the more common translation. Good editting! elvenscout742 01:18, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up! I do indeed have an opinion, and I've voted on the proposal page.  ---waka 09:44, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Regarding your Silent Hill edit and message...
That's not what happened at all. Who said the site even belonged to me? Have added other sites besides that RD one. Just thought it would be better to keep the links within the Silent Hill community, rather then add more links to general sites. You should have researched more before making them look like ass(es).

Waka!?
Does your name conflict with Wanka?:P
 * >x<ino 21:29, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Xino + RfC
Based on Xino's conduct here, and in previous disputes, I've placed a request for comment on this argument. I'd appreciate it if you would provide a statement for it, or better yet, endorse it so the request can proceed. I believe his conduct has been poor enough to warrant this kind of action, particularly in earlier (and ongoing) disputes - I'd really appreciate your help with this. RandyWang 12:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Thank you for supporting this. It's very much appreciated. :) RandyWang 13:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Shenmue Article - Many Thanks
Hi there! Just to say thankyou for your input in the Shenmue article. I am very eager to enlarge and improve the article, but it will only be a truly good article with people like you making sure the grammar and writing is appropriate. I really do appreciate your work 'cleaning' up the article and hope you will continue to help me improve it in the future. :-) Regards  Translucid2k4 21:11 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem! The work you have been putting into that article is really great--it's already much improved.  I am glad that you didn't take offense to my edits: your changes are all very sound, and I'm just editing for grammar and flow, not for content.  --waka 01:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Of course! I think your edits are having a very positive effect on the overall article and as I say, I'm very grateful. I will be improving all Shenmue articles over the coming weeks. I will be adding full character profiles e.t.c, so keep an eye out for even more updates. --Translucid2k4 13:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

QTEs
Hiya Waka. I agree with the person above that you've been doing good work on the Shenmue article. I'll assume you're American. If so, do you have Shenmue (or the sequel) at all? I looked in my PAL manuals for both games, and QTE is given as an abbreviation of Quick Timer Event, so I'm intrigued if Quick Time Event is official in the US/Japan, in which case feel free to go back to that spelling. Regards, --Dreaded Walrus t c 06:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected! I looked at my American Shenmue manual and it does indeed refer to them as "Quick Timer Events."  It appears, however, that I'm not the only one who made this mistake; I googled for "qte quick time event" and got a huge number of hits from review outlets and other places with "journalistic integrity."  It appears as if the "Quick Time Event" form, if incorrect, is more widely used.  Still, I think it's best to stick to the definition provided by Sega, as they coined the term to begin with.  As an aside, I also looked at the manuals for Resident Evil 4 and Indigo Prophecy to see what they call their versions of QTEs, but unfortunately neither really addresses the mechanic.--waka (talk) 23:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Sorry about taking so long to respond to this, I must have missed it on my watchlist. In the past, I think even I have reverted to the "Time" spelling. I long ago sold my copy of Fahrenheit (as it is known over here), and my GC copy of Resi 4, but a quick peek in the Wii manual for the game, and over here too, there is no real mention of the mechanic.
 * In truth, it's not a big issue for me which way it is spelt, and I certainly wouldn't have got into an edit war over it.
 * The way I see it, though, is as this is an article about Shenmue, it should probably use the spelling Shenmue used, while for other games, perhaps the more common Quick Time Event spelling should be preferred. There is quite recent discussion on the talk page at that article (along with a few ugly cut-and-paste moves, it seems), it might be interesting to see what happens there... --Dreaded Walrus t c 13:43, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Silent Hill
Thanks, Waka, the idea of using "Cheryl Morris" made me laugh! Marasmusine (talk) 17:19, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

IRC
Hey. Would you mind coming on irc://irc.freenode.net/wikipedia-medcab sometime? If you're not familiar with IRC, I can show you how it works. Basically I want to discuss a few things with you and a few others. It's not going to be a "debate" or anything like that; nothing dark or nasty. It's just a more informal medium and it speeds up communication a bit. - The Prophet Wiz ard of the Cray on Cake  00:37, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure. I haven't used IRC in years; I don't think I even have a client on my machine at the moment.  Alternatively, I'm fine with having a discussion right here.  --waka (talk) 09:01, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

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Impressionism which began as a private association of Paris-based artists who exhibited publicly in 1874. The movement was named after Claude Monet's Impression, Sunrise (Impression, soleil levant) (1872/1873); the term being coined by critic Louis Leroy. Impressionism is also a movement in music and a literary tendency.

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Sky (disambiguation)

The sky is the area above the Earth as seen from the ground.

Sky or SKY may also refer to:

 * The atmosphere, gases surrounding a planet or other material body
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Surname

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Giger

Giger is a surname. Notable people with the surname include:

 * Albert Giger (1946–2021), Swiss cross-country skier
 * Fabrice Giger (born 1965), Swiss publisher and film producer
 * H. R. Giger (1940–2014), Swiss painter, sculptor, and set designer
 * Paul Giger (born 1952), Swiss violinist and composer
 * Peter Giger (born 1939), Swiss percussionist and bandleader
 * Walter Giger (born 1943), Swiss environmental chemist
 * Werner Giger (1949–1974), Swiss motorcycle racer

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Frederick Van Ness Bradley

Frederick Van Ness Bradley (April 12, 1898 – May 24, 1947) was an American politician who served as the U.S. representative for Michigan's 11th congressional district from 1939 until his death in 1947. He was a member of the Republican Party.

Early life and career
Bradley was born in Chicago and moved to Rogers City, Michigan, in 1910 where he attended the public schools and graduated from Rogers City High School. He attended Montclair Academy in Montclair, New Jersey, and in 1918 joined the United States Army for World War I. Bradley served in the Student Army Training Corps at Plattsburgh Barracks, New York.

He graduated from Cornell University in 1921. His father was president of the Michigan Limestone and Chemical Company, and Bradley worked for the company as a salesman in Buffalo, New York, from 1921 to 1923. He was a purchasing agent with Bradley Transportation Company in Rogers City, Michigan from 1924 to 1938.

Congress
In 1938, Bradley was the successful Republican nominee to represent Michigan's 11th congressional district, defeating incumbent Democrat John Luecke. He was reelected four times and served from January 3, 1939, until his death. He was chairman of the Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries in the 80th Congress. With his longtime interest in Great Lakes shipping, Bradley was the legislative sponsor behind the construction of the Round Island Passage Light.

Bradley died in New London, Connecticut, on May 24, 1947, while there to attend a meeting of the United States Coast Guard Academy board of visitors. He was interred at Rogers City Memorial Park.

Family
In 1922, Bradley married Marcia Marie Hillidge of Front Royal, Virginia. They were the parents of a son, Carl, who died in 1938 at the age of two.

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Category:Abstract expressionism

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Robert Hoddle

Robert Hoddle (21 April 1794 – 24 October 1881) was a surveyor and artist. He was the first Surveyor-General of Victoria from 1851 to 1853. He was previously the Surveyor-in-Charge of the Port Phillip District from 1837 to 1851. He became Surveyor-General upon the proclamation of the Port Phillip District as the new Colony of Victoria within the British Empire in July 1851. He is especially recognized for the design and layout of the Hoddle Grid in 1837, the area which forms the Melbourne central business district (CBD) of Melbourne. He was also an accomplished artist and depicted scenes of the Port Phillip region and New South Wales. Hoddle was one of the earliest-known European artists to depict Ginninderra, the area now occupied by Canberra, Australia's National Capital.

Early life
Hoddle, the son of a bank clerk for the Bank of England, was born in Westminster, London. He became a cadet-surveyor in the British army in 1812. Hoddle worked in the Ordnance Department and took part in the trigonometrical survey of Great Britain. Hoddle then sailed for the Cape Colony, South Africa in 1822 where he worked on military surveys.

Surveying in Australia
Hoddle migrated to the Australian colonies, arriving in Sydney, New South Wales, aboard the William Penn in July 1823. Governor Brisbane appointed him assistant surveyor under Surveyor-General John Oxley. Hoddle spent the next twelve years in Queensland and later still in New South Wales where he surveyed the sites for the towns of Berrima and Goulburn as well as Bell's Line of Road in the Blue Mountains. Between 1830 and 1836, Hoddle made several visits to the rural district now occupied by the Australian Capital Territory where he surveyed property boundaries. Squatters were urgently pressing for government surveyors to legalise their rural holdings. Hoddle's field book indexes the history of the aforementioned areas and pastoralists— George Palmer, Robert Campbell and Hamilton Hume.

Hoddle arrived in Port Phillip, the future site for Melbourne, in March 1837 in company with Governor Bourke, as senior surveyor with his assistants D'Arcy and Darke. He was to take charge of the surveying work which had been begun by Robert Russell, who many years later claimed to have surveyed the first grid of streets. Whether Hoddle surveyed from scratch or used Russell's initial survey has been the subject of controversy, but they both followed the then standard grid layout and alignment. Hoddle's survey, a copy of which survives in the Public Record Office of Victoria, is dated 25 March 1837, and covered the area from Flinders Street to Lonsdale Street, and from Spencer Street to Spring Street. The principal streets were one and a half chains wide (30 m), and at the insistence of Bourke, smaller east–west streets a half chain wide (10 m) were inserted, intended to furnish back entrances (but quickly became frontages in their own right). This layout came to be known as the Hoddle Grid.

In 1837, at the same time as Melbourne, Hoddle laid out the first blocks of Williamstown, but without rear laneways. In 1838 he laid out Geelong, including narrow laneways as in the Melbourne grid. His layouts for each were typical of the time, being square or rectangular grids, aligned with features such as rivers or waterfront, surrounded by government reserve for future expansion, government buildings, ports and the like.

Hoddle subdivided the land beyond the angled city grid on a one-mile north–south grid, creating much larger allotments. The areas closest to the city in what is now Fitzroy, Collingwood and Richmond, were soon subdivided by speculators creating the sometimes quite narrow streets and irregular grid pattern. Hoddle's subdivision of East Melbourne was far more regular.

Hoddle was in favour of the principal entry streets being a generous width of 60m, which he applied to what are now Melbourne's tree-lined boulevards, such as St Kilda Road, Victoria Parade, Elizabeth Street in Carlton, and the roads branching off that: Royal Parade and Flemington Road. He advocated widening the other existing major roads without success. In 1853 he was gently asked to retire in favour of Andrew Young, who is credited with the subdivisions of Carlton, Fitzroy North and South Geelong that include formal parks, squares and crescents.

Artist in ink and watercolours
Robert Hoddle is the earliest-known European artist to have depicted the Australian Capital Territory area. Many of his works are held in the National Library of Australia, State Library of Victoria and the State Library of New South Wales.

Some of the paintings he made during this time are held at the National Library of Australia. They include:
 * Ginninginderry, i.e. Ginninderra, Plains, New South Wales; watercolour
 * Ginninginderry, i.e. Ginninderra, Plains; watercolour

Additional works by Hoddle include:
 * View from Limestone Hill called Campbells Hill, New South Wales, March 1832; watercolour
 * The seven day's in the Week's Occupation of the Australians, hunting, 1835; ink wash
 * Unidentified coastal landscape, New South Wales, 1; watercolour
 * Unidentified coastal landscape, New South Wales, 2; watercolour
 * View from Illawarra Range en route to Kiama, 1830; watercolour

Later life
William Lonsdale appointed Hoddle as auctioneer at the first sale of crown land on 1 June 1837, at which he sold half-acre (0.2 ha) allotments for £18 to £78, considered at the time a very high price. Hoddle's commission was £57 12s. 7d., from which he bought two allotments for himself at a cost of £54. Hoddle built himself a house on the corner of Bourke and Spencer streets where, in retirement, he tended his trees, played organ and flute and translated Spanish.

In 1840, Hoddle was granted a gratuity of £500 as he was leaving the survey department on account of ill-health. However, after a few months holiday he recovered his health, took up his duties again, and the gratuity was not paid to him. He later did valuable work in the country districts of Victoria, became Surveyor General of Victoria in 1851, and retired in July 1853 with a pension of £1,000 a year. He had bought in 1837 the block of land in Elizabeth Street, Melbourne, on which the Commonwealth Bank now stands, for a comparatively small sum, and he became a wealthy man. After his retirement he took an interest in the Old Colonists' Association and was elected a life governor in December 1873.

Personal life
He was married twice and left a widow and children.

Death
He died at his residence on the north east corner of Bourke and Spencer Street, a lot he bought at one of the first land sales, on 24 October 1881.

Legacy

 * Hoddle Highway
 * Hoddles Creek, Victoria, a small town located East of Melbourne.
 * Hoddles Creek, a tributary of the Yarra River.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Megan

Megan was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE

Wiktionary at best? See Meghan, which I Vfd'd above. (I rather agree WP isn't a baby-name book.) — Bill 01:51, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I would prefer not to see WP not head down this path. Delete.  Joyous 02:02, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * Please mentally remove a "not" of your choice from the above comment. And I even previewed.  Joyous

 * Delete. Perhaps someone might have the interest to create "Wikinames" or some such thing, but it doesn't belong here. Dsmdgold 02:48, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete.--Samuel J. Howard 03:09, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Betty, Liz, and Beth,/ All are known as Elizabeth. Geogre 18:46, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a baby name book. --Improv 19:15, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Ambi 04:26, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Apart from anything else, it's illiterate -- "Welch" indeed, in all modern usage it's "Welsh"! -- Arwel 10:55, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to wiktionary, which does have names (it may already be there, I dunno), then delete. Tuf-Kat 06:50, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like other '/delete' pages is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion or on the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

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Tomorrow People

Tomorrow People or variant may refer to:
 * The Tomorrow People, a British science fiction franchise, with a 1970s TV show, 1990s TV show, 2000s CD audio series
 * The Tomorrow People (American TV series), 2013 American remake of the British franchise
 * The Tomorrow People (novel), a 1960 science fiction novel by Judith Merril
 * Tomorrow People (band), a seven-member New Zealand reggae band formed in 2010
 * "Tomorrow People", a 1988 song by Ziggy Marley from the album Conscious Party
 * "Tomorrow People", a 1993 song by Billy Idol from the album Cyberpunk
 * "Tomorrow's People", a 2001 song by 21st Century Schizoid Band from the album Live in Japan
 * "Tomorrow's People – The Children of Today", a track from the 1971 album McDonald and Giles
 * "The Tomorrow People", a 1963 melody by Raymond Scott featured on the album Manhattan Research, Inc.
 * "People of Tomorrow", a 2001 song by Eiffel 65 from the album Contact!
 * The Tomorrow People (Ultimate X-Men), a story arc in the Ultimate X-Men comics

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Category:Cubism

Cubism was an avant-garde art movement that revolutionized European painting and sculpture in the early 20th century. The essence of cubism is that instead of viewing subjects from a single, fixed angle, the artist breaks them up into a multiplicity of facets, so that several different aspects/faces of the subject can be seen simultaneously.

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Category:Mazda platforms

This category contains links to car platforms from Mazda.

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Evenimentul Zilei

Evenimentul Zilei is a formerly physical and now exclusively online newspaper in Romania. Its name means "The event of the day".

History and profile
Evenimentul Zilei was founded by Ion Cristoiu, Cornel Nistorescu, and Mihai Cârciog, and the first issue was published on 22 June 1992. Ion Cristoiu, one of the 3 founders of the newspaper, was also its first director, but he is currently columnist at the same newspaper

The newspaper reached its peak daily circulation of 675,000 in 1993. In 1997 chief editor Ion Cristoiu quit and this job was taken by Cornel Nistorescu. The newspaper was purchased along with its parent company Expres Publishing in 1998 by the German company Gruner + Jahr (owned, in turn, by Bertelsmann), which later, in 2003 sold it to the Swiss press trust Ringier; at the time of purchase, Ringier representatives stated that there would be no direct or indirect intervention in the newspaper's editorial policy.

In September 2004 more than 50 Evenimentul Zilei journalists protested Ringier's management decisions. Similar issues were raised at the same time at rival daily România liberă, owned by Germany's WAZ-Mediengruppe. At both papers, journalists have complained that foreign owners are telling them to lessen the political coverage and tone down their negative reporting of the government. Their concern has been echoed by a variety of organizations including the Open Society Foundations. After this scandal, Evenimentul Zilei became one of the most fervent attackers of the government's corruption. Nonetheless, Evenimentul Zilei remained "The biggest thorn in [Adrian] Nastase's side" throughout the 2004 Romanian elections.

Ten days after Năstase's defeat in the 13 December 2004 runoff elections, the Ringier group moved the EZ editor-in-chief, Dan Turturică, to Bacău (officially, to look into the possibility of starting a free newspaper there) and began changing the editorial policy, to become a tabloid. As a response, 80 journalists signed a protest against these decisions and organized rallies in front of the Swiss and EU embassies. Subsequent negotiations were unsuccessful and on 4 January 2005, 30 journalists resigned, in addition to another five that resigned several days earlier. Paid circulation dropped at least 40% from a high of over 100,000.

In 2010 Ringier sold its shares in the paper to Bobby Păunescu. In 2019, the newspaper ceased to exist on paper after 8650 numbers. From 1 January 2020, the team moved exclusively online.

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Albatross (1920 schooner)

Albatross, originally named Albatros, later Alk, was a sailing ship that became famous when she sank in 1961 with a group of American teenagers on board. The events were the basis for 1996 film White Squall.

Early history
The Albatross was built as Albatros, a schooner, at the state shipyard (Rijkswerf) in Amsterdam, Netherlands, in 1920, to serve as a pilot boat (named Alk) in the North Sea. The ship spent two decades working the North Sea before being purchased by the German government in 1937. She served as a radio-station ship for submarines during the Second World War. In 1949, Royal Rotterdam Lloyd bought her for use as a training ship for future officers of their company (Dutch merchant marine). The fact that she was small made her ideal for this kind of work, and the dozen trainees could receive personal attention from the six or so professional crew. While under Dutch ownership she sailed the North Sea extensively, with occasional voyages as far as Spain and Portugal.

The American aviator, filmmaker and novelist Ernest K. Gann purchased the Albatros in 1954, re-rigged her as a brigantine, and she cruised the Pacific for three years. According to Charles Gieg (The Last Voyage of the Albatros), the Albatros survived a tsunami in Hawaii during this time. She was also used in the 1958 film Twilight for the Gods (starring Rock Hudson and Arthur Kennedy), whose script and the underlying novel by the same title were written by the Albatros' owner Gann.

Albatross at the "Ocean Academy" and loss
In 1959, Christopher B. Sheldon's Ocean Academy, Ltd., of Darien, Connecticut, acquired the ship to use for trips combining preparatory college classes and sail training. Over the next three years, Christopher B. Sheldon, Ph.D., and his wife, Alice Strahan Sheldon, M.D., ran programs for up to fourteen students in the Caribbean and Eastern Pacific Ocean.

From fall 1960 to spring 1961, a crew of four instructors (including the Sheldons), a cook, George Ptacnik, and 13 students sailed the Albatross from the Bahamas through the Caribbean to the Galápagos Islands and back to the Caribbean; a fourteenth student had been on the ship for the first part of the voyage, but had left in Balboa, Panama. At the beginning of May, the Albatross was en route from Progreso, Mexico, to Nassau, the Bahamas. On 1 May, skipper Sheldon decided that they would make a stop at one of the Florida Keys to refuel.

Shortly after 8:30 am on 2 May 1961 the Albatross was hit by a sudden squall about 125 mi west of the Dry Tortugas. She heeled over suddenly and sank almost instantly, taking with her Alice Sheldon, the ship's cook George Ptacnik, and students Chris Coristine, John Goodlett, Rick Marsellus, and Robin Wetherill (John Goodlett was on deck in the last minutes, but probably became entangled in some of the lines or a sail of the sinking ship while freeing a lifeboat, and Christopher Coristine reportedly went below deck in an attempt to save someone else). As there had not been time to send out a radio distress signal before she was lost, the remaining crew used her two lifeboats to make way towards Florida. Around 7:30 a.m. on 3 May, the two boats were found by the Dutch freighter Gran Rio, which took the survivors to Tampa, Florida.

According to Sheldon, the squall hitting the Albatross was a white squall, i.e. an unpredictably sudden, very strong squall. His opinion was that the Albatross was essentially a stable, "safe" ship, and that the crew of teenagers—who had already spent about eight months on board—were sufficiently trained, but that this rare weather phenomenon left the ship no chance. Critics of this view, however, have argued that refittings of the Albatross over the years by her various owners had made her top heavy, which affected her secondary stability, that is, her ability to remain stable or even right herself after tilting to the side, as opposed to capsizing. In her times as North Sea pilot schooner, the ship had had a far smaller and lower sail area, which means that the force of the wind did not have as much power and as powerful an angle as it did the day she sank. Almost 40 years after the loss of the Albatross, Daniel S. Parrott reanalyzed some of the documents about the ship and comparable ships in his book, Tall Ships Down. He suggested that due to the ship's impaired stability, even a "normal" squall could have sunk her; according to him, only the expert handling of the ship and the habitual prudence of the ship's captain(s) to reduce sail area early had prevented the refitted Albatross from capsizing in previous strong wind conditions.

In 1932, the German sail training ship Niobe suffered a similar fate, killing 69. Parrott draws parallels to the sudden losses of the Marques (1984) and the original Pride of Baltimore (1986), which were similarly affected by large sail areas; in the case of the Marques, this was likewise the result of refittings over the years of her existence.

Aftermath and narrations of the ship's loss
The loss of the Albatross prompted the United States Coast Guard to undertake a thorough review of the instantaneous stability—i.e. the ability of ships to remain upright—and design requirements for sailing school ships. The new rules were codified in the Sailing School Vessels Act of 1982.

Narrations of the last voyage of the Albatross were published by two of the survivors: Charles Gieg, who had been one of the students on board the ship, and Richard Langford, who had been the English instructor.

The 1996 film White Squall, starring Jeff Bridges and directed by Ridley Scott, presents a real version of the ship's loss.

After the loss of the Albatross, Sheldon worked for the Peace Corps and briefly started another sailing school. He died on October 5, 2002, of pancreatic cancer, in Stamford, Connecticut. He was 76.

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User talk:Ral315/Archive 10

This is sort of a milestone archive, containing all talk page edits from December 1, 2004 to March 2, 2006.

You editted Dark Throne, do you play?
If so, could you let me know on either my talk page, by adding yourself to the Category:Wikipedians who play Dark Throne category, or both? Thanks!

Lady Aleena 12:08, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Even if you don't play anymore, would you still add yourself to the category? Lady Aleena 23:52, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Ahh... "Idiots"
Thanks for pointing that footnote's possible interpretation out to me. I had simply picked out the lower frequency word in David's comment, if it was an attack it was a subconscious one!

The problem with the civility issue is two-fold: Although the times when I'm uncivil are a diminshingly small protion and restricted to a very narrow audience, when I do let fly it is usually 1) Quite public and 2) Served sizzling hot.

An example of how I normally deal with low-level conflict would be Talk:Advanced Individual Combat Weapon. For a non-Tony-related incident, we could look at Gmaxwell. On several occasions he's sunk the boot into me with very little provocation. I compare the way that I responded to him a few months ago to how I responded to him recently. I've learned that it matters not who fires the first salvo, if I don't fire back there won't be a war.

Thanks for taking the time to raise this with me, brenneman (t) (c) 22:45, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Copyvio
Please check the history. It was not me who put the copyvio on, I merely reverted the original author removing it himself, something sstrictly prohibited. if you believe it is not a copyuvio remove it yourslef. Neither Zapatancas or I as the contiributors to this article should remove it as wikipedia policy clearly states, SqueakBox 15:46, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I only had Zapatancas' word for it, which is not enough as I assumed he could have been lying (if we don't assume people can lie about copyvios we will quickly gertn infected). Zapatancas made no attemopt top prove it wasn't a copyvio and I asked him to get someone else to check it ouit. According to him that is beijng disruptibve but his poor explanation was not. Do you want copyvio's on wikipedia. If so I hope you are the first in line to be sued, SqueakBox 16:21, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I assumed that to check on the copyvio was a job for admins, and not my job. If Zapatancas had given a satisfactory explanation in the first place, as he eventually did today, though not on the article talk page, none of this would have happened. Instead he gave an insatisfactory explanation and kept reverting a copyvio notice where the alleged copyvio offendor was him, which as you well know he was prohibited from doing without giving a reasonable explanation. I asked him to get an admin to get look at the case but he ignored me and kept trying to revert a copyvio that he had allegedly created without giving a satisfactory explanation or waiting to get an admin to review the case, instead personally attacking me, for maybne the 50th time.

I would have been more civil to you if you had not misjudged the situation by making assumptions in the first place (eg that I put the copyvio on the article) instead of checking the facts. Acting as an admin is a position of responsibility which makes a basic attention to detail and not making assumptions without checking to see if they are correct or not an important part of that work, SqueakBox 23:35, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Poll
Dear Ral315, I would like to in vite you to my 1st poll, Best DCOM. Thanks! : ) Tcatron565 9:47 am CST 2/04/06

 * Can you please tall me how you changed that photo?!!!!!!!!!!!! Tcatron565 9:09 pm (CST) 2/05/06 (P.S. Thanks for voting on my poll! : ) Thanx!!!)

 * But everytime I try to do that It says that the file is corrupt. Tcatron565 9:15 pm 2/05/06

WP:RFR
Your oppose on WP:RFR (request for rollback privileges) has me confused. The RFR proposal is nothing like WP:RFA; there is no poll. There is no vote. It's just a centralized discussion area for people requesting rollback privileges. B-crats make the decision entirely on their own. All that is allowed is discussion. If there's language that can be changed on the RFR page to better explain that this is not a vote and not a poll that's being proposed, I think everyone working on this would be all ears. In any event, thank you for leaving your comments; I hope you'll take a second look at the proposal and reconsider endorsement of this (for lack of a better word) process. —Locke Cole • t • c 05:29, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, thanks for your response. =) —Locke Cole • t • c 05:31, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Locus
Locus is the proper word. Homey 20:10, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Well
Oh, well. Thanks anyway! Tcatron565

Re: Signpost update
Yes, I'll update it now, and I'll also include CheckUser rights if no one has done that already. (Heading over to newsroom...) Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 23:08, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I'll see what I can do; I'm updating to reflect all 5 de-sysoppings now, I'll add in the granting of CheckUser rights to News and Notes, and also the new CSD for userboxes. I'll take a look at the other article and see what needs to be done. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 23:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I need to stop for now, but I'll be back shortly to finish up. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 23:36, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

 * News and notes has been updated with CheckUser and the CSD; I've expanded the other story to reflect the 5 de-sysoppings. I haven't broken up that article into two seperate ones, but if you think that's necessary, feel free to do so and expand the section on the cartoons. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 00:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Replied via email; taking it to WP:AN now. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 22:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Signpost questions-reply
Sure. Wiki e Zach 01:53, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Neuro-linguistic programming
You are a mentor! Please familiarize yourself with the case and conflict. I've posted notices to the article's talk page and AN. You may want to introduce yourself to all the parties (though that's a lot). Again, thank you. Dmcdevit·t 10:51, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Mediator section
It's locked, so I can't add it in, but I wanted to mention that if you look in the archives, Headly Down DID accept my mediation. It's the entry that starts off "Hmm. Well your cred seems to check out...". As a neutral party, I'm not making any judgements here, but I do feel it important to mention that Headly did accept my mediation. If I can offer my advice: In my time dealing with that thread, I found out that the sides are so firmly entrenched that neither one wants to accept anything by the other side as acceptable. Further, some of the participants (most notably the NLP opponents) deem any mediator or administrator's pointing out policy violations such as personal attacks to be "biased". I strongly believe that a heavy hand is going to be needed to solve this issue, or at least some big gun administrator powers that I didn't have access to (nor would have right to use as a mediator due to conflict of interest.) Cheers, I'll be monitoring the thread myself. ⇒   SWAT Jester     Ready    Aim    Fire!  00:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Check all revisions
I didn't create it, and I don't remember who did. It was someone on IRC, I think. It's so simple that I think it would be ok for you to go ahead with it. Whoever I asked wrote it quickly in a minute or so. — 0918 BRIAN • 2006-02-9 19:39

I didnt realize I was attributing them to anyone...
I added a new barnstar to my page from the site you gave me, I thought people just put them on their pages because it made their pages look cooler, and told about some of the things they've done. Can I grab other images and put them on my page, or will those be attributed to other users as well? pickelbarrel 22:15, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Ive readded a barnstar...
But I think its okay because it doesnt have anyones name attached to it I dont think...Please take a look and let me know if its okay...Is it okay if I give other people the barnstars?...also Im curious if you would like one of my barnstars...for helping me out? pickelbarrel 23:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

A Barnstar for clearing things up for me...ENJOYpickelbarrel 02:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)|

Another Esperanzial note...
Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

The other major notice I need to tell you about is the upcoming Esperanza Advisory Council Elections. These will take place from 12:00 UTC on February 20th to 11:59 UTC on February 27th. The official handing-over will take place the following day. Candidates are able to volunteer any time before the 20th, so long as they are already listed on the members list. Anyone currently listed on the memberlist can vote. In a change since last time, if you have already been a member of the leadership, you may run again. Due to the neutrality precident, I will not vote for anyone.

Yours, as ever, Esperanzially,

--Cel es tianpower háblame 09:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

(message delivered by FireFox using AWB on Celestianpower's behalf)

Well Ive been triing to get that barnstar page
I cant seem to copy whatever it is I need to copy to reproduce those barnstars, so I asked my freind Emperor Cenestrad to give me some awards, but between you and I, I dont think Ill keep the ones he gave me... I was hoping you might be able to "walk me through the process" abit so I can give away some of these things, and hopefully keep some as well. Thanks pickelbarrel 04:31, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I wonder if you could check
To make sure that my barnstars are okay...Also some of the barnstars I got from different people I really am not fond of showing off, so I was hoping there might be a way to lump all the "picture awards" into a smaller setting...Ive seen some users have a nice little collection without it being too big...that way I wouldnt upset the people that got them for me, but I wouldnt have to show a picture of a bleached anus on my discussion page...thanks pickelbarrel 12:58, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Uncatagorized articles
Oddly, it worked when I tried it on Wikisign, here. I don't know why it would make a syntax error on the live database... I suppose I'll just wait and ask Interiot. JesseW, the juggling janitor 09:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Oi
Yikes!. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 12:03, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

AN Navbox
Hey there,

This brought a smile to my face.;-) I used to archive the AN boards in the past. Many of us placed redlinks in the navbox each time we archived, for ease of use of the next archiver. The navbox has a link to the main archive template Administrators' noticeboard navbox all which can be used to access any relevant archive. No hard and fast rule about these things, I know; just thought I'd drop you a (rather bemused) line about the "incorrect" updating. ;-) Very warm wishes  ENCEPHALON  18:14, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, there's absolutely no need to apologise, Ral; quite understandable, what you meant. You're right about leaving a blue link to the old archives; I remember leaving the latest blue along with three redlinks when I used to do them in the past. No matter. I hadn't known, incidentally, that archiving is now done by bot. We had a big discussion on this just before I went off on a wikibreak, and I've been wondering these last few days whether a bot was doing it. Who's running it, do you know? Probably Cryptic or Curps. I daresay it may be a good idea to reconfigure it to archive more frequently: the boards have been so large recently that, combined with WP's slower page loading times these days, I've sometimes simply been unable to load the pages. Anyway, thanks for the info. Best ENCEPHALON  19:51, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Moving CBB
I object moving it to bottom. It is only changing part of the comm portal (well, featured content also changes). It is supposed to be on top! Everything else is very static and visitors already know what's there anyways. Renata 04:49, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

RfM
Would you look over and consider taking Requests for mediation/East Sea (disambiguation)? No special reason, I'm just matching available poeple up with available cases. If you're agreeable, would you leave me a note on my talk page? Thanks! Essjay Talk •  Contact 00:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:User-AmE-0
I noticed you deleted this. However, a DRV has been completed with the result of undelete and send to TFD. Here is the current TFD for this Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_February_19/Userboxes. Please undelete this.--God of War 07:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

 * please restore this template so that users can make an informed decision at TfD. This template deletion was overturrned at Deletion Review, so I'll assume you didn't know that when you deleted it again citing T1 (which is the orriginal reason for the deletion that was overturned), Thank You: Mike McGregor (Can) 13:55, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Divisiveness is up for interpertation and the DRV has ruled that this is not divisive. Therefore T1 does not apply.--God of War 18:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Elections
Hello there Ral: Thank you very much for your support on the ongoing Esperanza elections. I know that the election still has some time left, but I wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your vote. Let's keeping working for a better Wikipedia, regardless of the outcome. Cheers, Bratsch  e talk 02:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Hello Ral, thank you for supporting me in the Esperanza council election.-- Dakota ~   °  06:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Tony Sidaway/Workshop (Again)
I have just readded three proposed remedies to Requests for arbitration/Tony Sidaway/Workshop, which had been removed. I have also refactored these comments to

 * remove personal attacks, irrelevant comments, and bickering
 * make the page readable and usable for the arbcom, as Minspillage recently has done.

As your words appear on that page, I'm letting you know so that you may review the changes. I have tried not to let any bias or POV I may have color my summaries; however, it's a wiki, so if you think I've misrepresented your words, please fix them. Respectfully yours, InkSplotch(talk) 14:41, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:R from UN/LOCODE
Hi, can you please update Template:R from UN/LOCODE? Right now it contains a link to geographic code, which is a redirect page; please change this to geographic code to avoid unnecessary redirecting. Right now there are hundreds of indirect links to geocode because of this. (I requested this on the talk page there, but got no response.) — Johan the Ghost seance 11:52, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you! — Johan the Ghost seance 20:51, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Anderson12 blocked for 24 hours.
Thank you for your help. The page in question has been protected by another admin, so hopefully we can get on with proper editing. :-) Ardenn 05:40, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

AQ acres/meters
What was the point of the recent unit removal on Aquinas College (Michigan)? Euphoria 16:28, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Signpost News and Notes
Hey there. I noticed that the News and Notes section in the newsroom says "anyone can take this over." If I wanted to do so, what process would I need to go through? How do I get myself acquainted with Signpost procedures and whatnot? I would like to contribute more to Wikipedia and I think this might be an area where I could. --Avery W. Krouse 04:13, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza elections
Hi Ral315. I have decided to leave Wikipedia for good. Before I go, I wanted to thank you for your support in the Esperanza elections. M o e  ε  04:51, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Beldin Kee
hi, may you release "Beldin Kee"? that's my name =) Thank You.

User:Anderson12 3RR
As you blocked Anderson12, I figured I would point out that there is a very strong possibility that Anderson12 is a sockpuppet of a banned user (User:Lightbringer, more recently User:Basil Rathbone), and I don't believe that he plans to edit in good faith (noting that if he is a sock, ArbCom prohibited him from editing any article relating to Freemasonry.  So, you might want to reconsider your approach to him. MSJapan 00:13, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, they're very much the same. If you look at the ArbCom case (I don't remember the link, unfortunately), the main complaint came down to POV editing.  One of the last things Lightbringer and Basil both tried to do was revise the 'forget-me-not" section.  The sources used did not say what they claimed, so it was rved.  Anderson's 3rd edit here was that revision (Bernheim makes a distinction Anderson12 ignored), Anderson's 7th edit was a 3RR, and if you look at the Talk page on Scratchpad, he jumped all over it, despite being on WP less than a day and having under 10 edits (knowing 3RR and how to do it, and knowing a section was gone when you were never here to see it in the first place is pretty good).  WegianWarrior has also posted some IP range evidence on Talk:Freemasonry, and Anderson12 deleted it.  So, I'd say that the evidence and his actions prove him guilty.
 * I also believe we have a similar pattern with User:WMMrgn- he's using the same sources the others did, only editing Freemasonry-related articles, and putting in blatantly incorrect sources (the last was trying to prove Poe was an anti-Mason by using a page about US Presidents who were suspected Masons, and furthermore insisting John Quincy Adams died in 1829).
 * All of this nonsense prevents us from working on these articles, and instead rving them to death, which is why I get so adamant about needing to do something about these accounts ASAP. MSJapan 15:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Elections
Hey Ral315! I wish to say thanks for your vote at the Esperanza elections.

I've made my way into the Advisory Committee, so if you ever need any help or have any queries about the stuff we do, please do not hesitate to ask. Thanks again, KnowledgeOfSelf 09:43, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Ral315! A note from me too, thanks for your vote! Like KnowledgeOfSelf said, please let us know if there's anything we can do for you! --Joann e B 21:04, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Archiving the Signpost
Since you seem to be the one who always updates the Signpost, could you take a look at my suggestion at Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost and tell me (on that page would be fine) what you think? If you're not averse to the idea, I can make all the necessary changes to the current archived issues. You would just need to start following the new scheme starting with the next issue. What do you think? - dcljr (talk) 21:28, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

2006 Town Meeting Season in Merrimack, New Hampshire
Hey, there's 40 or so other articles i've started, feel free to nominate those for deletion as well. "Kick Karmafist While He's Down Week" is almost over, so you'd better get your shots in while you can. Karm a  fist  05:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * To be honest, i'm not in the mood to be tactful right now, especially with someone as inflexible as yourself, so we might as well end this discussion with us disagreeing. This is an election that will decide what goes on politically over the next year in a town of 28,000+ people. Karm  a  fist  05:10, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Removing a Generic Picture of Fireworks to Celebrate the 1,000,000th Article
I think I found your long lost relative. Karm  a  fist  05:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * And as I've said time and time before, there's no legal precedent for the paranoia of your side other so you invent a witch hunt to help censor Wikipedia. We're done talking for tonight. Anything from you on my talk page until tomorrow will be removed or reverted, since I will construe it as a hostile action. And you know what the ironic thing is? I was going to go to these people and ask them to stop their endless arguing and chattering and work collaboratively towards putting that article you decided to nominate for deletion to featured status(I can't recall any real world organized collaborations like that on here before), and then write a Signpost article about how a bunch of internet trolls put aside their differences to write an article and voter guide about their annual municipal elections. I used to have faith that Wikipedia could bring out the best in people like that. That faith is just about gone... Karm  a  fist  05:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

It's Tdxiang
Unblocked now (IP).Thanks, sir! Tan DX 05:47, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Alienus is the issue
Content isn't to issue with Alienus. Its is stalking and baiting and disrupting. ONE MILLION pages and he shows up messing with Borderline Personality Disorder. ONE MILLION pages and he goes after David Horowitz and Rodeo Drive. This person is stalking people that disagree with him and doing it without shame. Alienus is baiting people and disrupting multiple pages everyday. Are you going to tell me that the administrators on Wikipedia can do nothing about it? If that's true what good are you? Check out some of the other pages.

Objectivism and homosexuality Gay rights opposition Homosexuality Cloning Jesus Gay rights opposition Principle of charity Objectivist philosophy Biblical inerrancy Bible scientific foreknowledge Abortion debate Abortion in Canada Same-sex marriage Humanism Parental notification Marriage

That's just the last week of edit wars and it includes over fifty reverts and countless moments of uncourteous and down right mean comments. This person baits and baits and eggs people into fighting on one article after another and is doing it with impunity. Billyjoekoepsel 07:13, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

 * The issue is that I keep bumping into the sort of people who take offense when their POV contributions are cleaned up. In response, they go after me, using any trick they can find. The question here is whether you want to be used by Billy. Alienus 07:33, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Just read the Alienus Contributions.Billyjoekoepsel 07:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Feel free to read whatever you like. I'm quite proud of the work I do here. Alienus 07:38, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:Fireworks.jpg
Fine, fine... here's the source... Linkage. Note that I changed the image. --Mas  T   er  of Puppets Peek! 14:45, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

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Pinwheel

Pinwheel may refer to:

 * Pinwheel (toy), a spinning children's toy
 * Pinwheel (cryptography), a device for producing a short pseudo-random sequence of bits
 * Pinwheel (shogi), an opening in the game shogi or Japanese chess
 * Pinwheel (TV channel), a channel which would later turn into Nickelodeon
 * Pinwheel (TV series), a children's show on Nickelodeon that ran from 1977 to 1984
 * Pinwheel calculator (part of), a type of early mechanical arithmetic machine
 * Pinwheel escapement, part of a mechanical clock
 * Tabernaemontana divaricata, also known as pinwheel flower
 * Pinwheel scheduling, problem of devising a rotating sequence of tasks with given frequencies
 * Pinwheel tilings, aperiodic tilings of the plane whose tiles appear in infinitely many orientations
 * Catherine wheel (firework), a form of pyrotechnic display device also known as a pinwheel
 * Coenocharopa elegans, also known as the elegant pinwheel snail, a land snail found in Queensland, Australia
 * "Pinwheels", a poem by Patti Smith from her 1978 book Babel
 * Pinwheel USY, part of United Synagogue Youth covering the Pacific Northwest
 * Wartenberg wheel, a neurological medical device

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Licata

Licata (, ; Φιντίας, whence Phintias or Plintis), formerly also Alicata, is a city and comune located on the south coast of Sicily, at the mouth of the Salso River (the ancient Himera), about midway between Agrigento and Gela. It is a major seaport developed at the turn of the twentieth century, shipping sulphur, the refining of which has made Licata the largest European exporting centre, and asphalt, and at times shipping cheese.

West of the port city there is a series of pocket beaches separated by wave-cut headlands as high as 40 m. (Amore 2002).

Ancient
The settlement was frequented by the Phoenicians who traded there between the 12th and 8th centuries BC. At the end of the 7th century BC the Geloi (inhabitants of ancient Gela, in Magna Graecia) built a fortified station to guard the mouth of the Salso (Himera) river. In the first half of 6th century BC Phalaris, tyrant of Agrigento, built a fortified outpost.

The first settlement was probably founded by colonists from Gela.

At the Battle of the Himera River (311 BC) near the town, Agothocles was beaten by the Carthaginians and the town fell into their hands.

The city itself was re-founded on the right bank of the Salso in 282 BC, by Phintias, tyrant of Agrigentum, who named it for himself (Phintias), after razing the city of Gela and resettling its population here. As late as the 1st century BC, inscriptions and coins show that the inhabitants retained the name Geloi.

Phintias was laid out on a great scale, with walls, temples and an agora. The setting took advantage of a small natural harbour, about 80 m across, in a bay on the coast that is now infilled. The site was protected by the headland now named Monte San Michele. Phintias, however, never rose to the importance of Gela.

At nearby Cape Ecnomus, in 256 BC the Romans won the Battle of Cape Ecnomus in the First Punic War and freed the city from the Carthaginians. In 249 BC it afforded shelter to a Roman fleet which was, however, attacked by the Carthaginians and many of the ships sunk. Cicero also alludes to it as a seaport, carrying on a considerable export trade in corn.

Under the Romans Phintias became a large commercial emporium. But in Strabo's time it seems to have fallen into the same state of decay with the other cities on the south coast of Sicily, as he does not mention it among the few exceptions. Pliny, notices the Phintienses (or Phthinthienses as the name is written in some manuscripts) among the stipendiary towns of Sicily; and its name is found also in Ptolemy; but it is strange that both these writers reckon it among the inland towns of Sicily, though its maritime position is clearly attested both by Diodorus and Cicero. The Antonine Itinerary also gives a place called Plintis, doubtless a corruption of Phintias, which it places on the road from Agrigentum along the coast towards Syracuse, at the distance of 23 mi from the former city. This distance agrees tolerably well with that from Agrigento to Licata, though somewhat less.

Middle and Modern Ages
The historical centre of the town, near the coastal castle of Lympiados, dates from the period of Byzantine domination. In 827 the Arabs conquered Licata, and their rule lasted for more than two centuries, ending when the town was captured by the Normans on July 25, 1086. During the Norman-Hohenstaufen age the town flourished and was awarded the title of Cittè Demaniale ("Crown's City").

In 1270 Licata (then having some 7,000 inhabitants) rebelled against Angevine rule as part of the uprising known as the Sicilian Vespers. Thereafter the town came under the control of the House of Trastámara, who in 1447 granted it the title of fidelissima ("Most Faithful"). In 1553, after the city was sacked by Dragut's corsairs, it was decided to rebuild the walls, together with a large tower which was erected on the summit of Sant'Angelo hill.

Licata began to flourish once more in the 16th century, thanks in part to the presence of a community of Maltese immigrants, and this period of prosperity continued well into the 17th century, when the first settlements appeared outside the wall, housing the growing Maltese community, and numerous buildings were constructed or rebuilt in the Baroque style. The port also enjoyed a period of prosperity, largely resulting from the export of grain.

Contemporary era
In 1820 Licata rose against the Bourbon rulers of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, led by patriot Matteo Vecchio Verderame. During the Expedition of the Thousand under Giuseppe Garibaldi, the town contributed with a whole corps, and housed for a night Garibaldi's son Menotti and his general Nino Bixio.

The 1870s saw the construction of two bridges connecting to the sulphur mines inland, and five refineries (including the then largest in Europe) were built. This brought a considerable economic expansion, leading to the creation of several elegant residences in Licata.

Licata served as an Allied landing point during the 1943 Operation HUSKY Allied invasion of Sicily of World War II. War damage and the decline in competitiveness in the sulphur industry caused economic decline, forcing many people to emigrate to northern Italy or abroad. As a town occupied by the Allies, it served as a model for John Hersey's novel A Bell for Adano.

Licata has however maintained its artistic importance, and tourism has begun to flourish again in recent times. Nevertheless, the economy is heavily reliant on the fishing industry.

The Museo Civico displays many archaeological finds, notably material from burial grounds dating from prehistoric times to the 3rd century BC.

Geography
The municipality borders with Butera (CL), Camastra, Campobello di Licata, Naro, Palma di Montechiaro and Ravanusa. It counts the hamlets (frazioni) of Mollarella and Torre di Gaffe.

Main sights

 * Archaeological remains of the ancient Greek city, including 7 domus near the centre of the city at Monte Sant'Angelo. The 17th century Castel Sant'Angelo is located nearby.
 * The necropolis of Monte Petrulla
 * The Grangela, and hydraulic work of Pre-Hellenistic times
 * Frourion of Falaride, a Greek fortress
 * The lighthouse, which is the third tallest in Italy
 * Church of Santa Maria La Nova, built in the 15th century but renovated in later years. It houses the Black Christ's Chapel.
 * the Carmine (13th century), including a church and a convent, rebuilt in the 18th century under design by Giovanni Biagio Amico.
 * Palazzo di Città, a noteworthy example of Sicilian Liberty style, designed by Ernesto Basile.

Sister cities

 * 🇫🇷 Cestas, France
 * 🇩🇪 Reinheim, Germany

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The Sleepwalkers: A History of Man's Changing Vision of the Universe

The Sleepwalkers: A History of Man's Changing Vision of the Universe is a 1959 book by Arthur Koestler. It traces the history of Western cosmology from ancient Mesopotamia to Isaac Newton. He suggests that discoveries in science arise through a process akin to sleepwalking. Not that they arise by chance, but rather that scientists are neither fully aware of what guides their research, nor are they fully aware of the implications of what they discover.

Synopsis
A central theme of the book is the changing relationship between faith and reason. Koestler explores how these seemingly contradictory threads existed harmoniously in many of the greatest intellectuals of the West. He illustrates that while the two are estranged today, in the past the most ground-breaking thinkers were often very spiritual.

Another recurrent theme of this book is the breaking of paradigms in order to create new ones. People, scientists included, cling to cherished old beliefs with such love and attachment that they refuse to see what is wrong in their ideas and the truth in the new ideas that will replace them. (This point was developed a few years afterwards by Thomas Kuhn in The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, in which the concept of "paradigm shift" came to the fore.) Without denying the greatness of Galileo Galilei and the other modern scientists, he pointed out their mistakes and sometimes intellectual dishonesty, arguing that the scientific revolution's intellectual giants were dwarfs from a moral point of view.

According to Koestler, the great cosmological systems, from Ptolemy to Copernicus, have always reflected the metaphysical and psychological prejudices of their authors. Furthermore, it would be wrong to think of the evolution of scientific progress as if it moved in a purely rational way on an ascending vertical line. In reality, he states, the trend has been much more irregular and uncertain, to the point that the history of cosmological conceptions has been, "without exaggeration… a history of collective obsessions and controlled schizophrenias". From here we understand the title: the great scientists moved like "sleepwalkers" rather than according to the current model of the "electronic brain".

In the epilogue, Koestler argues that the "divorce" between science and religion has certainly benefited scientific and technological development, allowing humanity to enjoy prosperity never seen before. However, this has also produced a new "dullness", a kind of new "scholastic" thinking, which has dried up the human soul. Growing materialism has not only deprived man of a meaning in life, but has come into contradiction with the very developments of the most advanced physics. "Mechanism" is now put aside by quantum mechanics and the theory of relativity, in which the role of the observer, and therefore of the human spirit, is decisive in establishing what reality is. This is why Koestler openly contests the contemporary rejection of possible "non-causal interactions" and phenomena such as telepathy and extrasensory perceptions, to which he will return in his subsequent research.

"The conclusion he puts forward at the end of the book is that modern science is trying too hard to be rational. Scientists have been at their best when they allowed themselves to behave as "sleepwalkers" instead of trying too earnestly to ratiocinate."

Analysis
The historian of astronomy Owen Gingerich, while acknowledging that Koestler's book contributed to his interest in the history of science, described it as "highly questionable" and criticized its treatment of historical figures as fictional.

According to Gingerich, Koestler was entirely wrong when he said of Copernicus's De revolutionibus that it was a "book that nobody had read" and "one of the greatest editorial failures of all time."

French mathematician Alexandre Grothendieck cites The Sleepwalkers as one of his sources of inspiration.

Irish writer John Banville stated that the "original idea" of his Revolutions Trilogy came from his reading of The Sleepwalkers, and also that Koestler "deserves to be remembered also as a bridge between the two cultures. The Sleepwalkers, his account of cosmology from the Greeks to Einstein, is still a wonderfully exciting and informative book. It was his misfortune as a writer that his best work was done in the inevitably ephemeral medium of journalism."

Publication data

 * Arthur Koestler, The Sleepwalkers: A History of Man's Changing Vision of the Universe (1959), Hutchinson
 * First published in the United States by Macmillan in 1959
 * Published by Penguin Books in 1964
 * Reissued by Pelican Books in 1968
 * Reprinted by Peregrine Books in 1986; ISBN 0-14-055212-X
 * Reprinted by Arkana in 1989; ISBN 0-14-019246-8
 * Chapters on Kepler excerpted as The Watershed published by Doubleday Anchor in 1960, as part of the Science Study Series.


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Talk:Gattaca

Biopunk?
The source cited in the lede does not support the claim that this is a biopunk film. In fact, the whole point of biopunk is that people should control their own genetic and biological destiny, which is the exact opposite of the eugenic vision of this film. --- The Old Jacobite The '45 16:10, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

 * It’s right there in the cited article. And if you don’t like that one, do a Web search, where innumerable articles designate it as biopunk. Your opinion on the meaning of biopunk is not accurate and not relevant. Strebe (talk) 17:52, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

 * No, it is not in the cited article. There is one parenthetical use of the word biopunk, which is not helpful.  And it is not my opinion, it is the canonical definition of the genre.  Where is the biopunk in this film?  Where is the substantive citation that indicates how this is relevant? --- The Old Jacobite The '45 23:51, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

 * Then go invalidate the biopunk article, which cites themes that show up in Gattaca, in contradiction to your personal, uncited, unsupported, counter-to-etymology belief about its meaning. And why you’re burdening me with having to hunt down and copy and paste references that you yourself could just find and glance at yourself, I cannot say, but I don’t appreciate it.

Strebe (talk) 00:46, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * List of biopunk works with three references;
 * Calls Gattaca a “pioneer” in the genre.
 * Essay from Inhabitable Infrastructures: Science Fiction or Urban Future?.

Removed 'plot/synopsis'
My added Plot got reverted without any mentioned reason. Said edits are as follows Director Josef push Irene and Jerome to end the investigation immediately so as not to delay the launch further. When taking Irene on a dinner, Vincent learns the identity of the detective who closed the case, his brother Anton, who in turn has become aware of Vincent's presence. If they were removed for being to much, I would say so for a 106 minutes movie to have 6 long paragraphs as as a plot. For my second synopsis this is an important development for the plot which would lead to climax. If it got removed for being "spoiler/twist", then so is the follwing sentence — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyoroemon2 (talk • contribs) 10:42, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Your edit was wrong. Director Josef does not push Irene and Jerome to end the investigation. Irene and Jerome are not the ones investigating and they do not control the investigation.Strebe (talk) 16:17, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

On the NASA list
Per The Guardian the supposed meeting at the JPL never happened, so including mention of this NASA list is not appropriate. --M asem (t) 16:46, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

 * Even The Smithsonian re-reported the original list and its attribution. Sad. Strebe (talk) 18:09, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was in the middle of posting a question on another board about pre-ponderance of RSes vs one blog post, but then I saw the Gaurdians' statement which cinched it for me. --M asem (t) 18:11, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Since it's recently been re-added and re-deleted, my two cents: it should stay out. It does not matter whether the meeting (reported at happened or not. The claim in the sentence is "It was voted by NASA as one of the most plausible science fiction movies ever created." Let's assume the Smithsonian account to be accurate, and completely disregard the Guardian account (I'm not saying we should, I'm just assuming the best-case for inclusion to avoid strawman). From the Smithsonian description, it was an ad-hoc vote by a number of scientists (no mention of whether they were NASA scientists or not) attending a conference at JPL (which is a joint project between NASA and CalTech, not a part of NASA itself).  First, it's not "voted by NASA"; there's no indication that the voters were all from NASA, or that the vote was offered to all of NASA. Second, the report is on which films were "best" and "worst", not which were most or least "plausible". Presumably, with scientists making the call, plausibility would be a significant factor, but that's not what was reported. Finally, it appears to have been just a bit of entertainment for those attending the conference; not authoritative or statistically significant in any way. Seems silly to have in the article. TJRC (talk) 16:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Theatrical release poster replacement
Why was this edit made? What is the difference? Strebe (talk) 07:06, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The file's name; the previous name suggests that the poster is an alternative one, which it isn't. QuestFour (talk) 07:09, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Drama?
In this edit, User: Dimadick states, ''Reverted. The lead does not mention drama at all, and this seems like OR. It suffices to refer to any of many WP:RELIABLE source      to discover that Gattaca is also'' a drama (as well as a romance). Drama is not mutually exclusive to thriller (indeed, it’s part of a different system of classification). The claim that the movie is not a drama is an unsupported opinion by someone who does not seem to have looked at any evidence. The fact that the lead does not mention drama is an omission, not evidence. Strebe (talk)
 * Really? The lead does not mention drama, and you did not just add drama to "thriller". You simply removed the thriller categories. Dimadick (talk) 06:16, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Genre again
So discussion on the films genre has come up again, I would like to refer to WP:STICKTOSOURCE which states that "Source material should be carefully summarized or rephrased without changing its meaning or implication. Take care not to go beyond what the sources express or to use them in ways inconsistent with the intention of the source, such as using material out of context. In short, stick to the sources." and per MOS:FILMGENRE which states "Genre classifications should comply with WP:WEIGHT and reflect what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources." In short, we should apply only the genres that are reflected in sources. I'll go through some reviews here and come up with what the general organization. I'll try to be unbiased with this, and not just google search "Gattaca drama" or "Gattaca space opera" or something to hunt and find sources. That chill is largely absent from the rest of "Gattaca," and so is another science-fiction kick"source
 * New York Times: "Gattaca is rated PG-13 (Parents strongly cautioned). It includes clinical scientific detail, one brief sexual situation and some violence in its final moments. Older children with a taste for science fiction should find it intriguing." source
 * Roger Ebert, Chicago Sun Times: "This is one of the smartest and most provocative of science fiction films, a thriller with ideas"
 * Hollywood Reporter: "n Oct. 24, 1997, Columbia Pictures unveiled Andrew Niccol’s sci-fi thriller Gattaca, starring Ethan Hawke and Uma Thurman, in theaters. The Hollywood Reporter’s original review is below....Gattaca is an intelligently-conceived sci-fi chiller starring Ethan Hawke and Uma Thurman. source
 * Empire: "Sci-fi written and directed by first time helmer Andrew Niccol, a vision of the 21st century when genetic engineering is the accepted norm to produce perfect people" source
 * Variety: "Andrew Niccol's impressive feature debut, is an intelligent and timely sci-fi thriller that, with the exception of some illogical plot contrivances, is emotionally engaging almost up to the end." source
 * Entertainment Weekly: "That's not a coincidence. Gattaca's mournful pace puts it squarely in the tradition of Big Think sci-fi, especially films like George Lucas’ THX 1138, Ridley Scott’s Blade Runner, and Jean-Luc Godard’s Alphaville (as Hawke’s love interest, Uma Thurman exudes some of the luminous sadness of Anna Karina)." source
 * IGN "...Gattaca marks Niccol's directorial debut. His translation from page to screen of such an ambitious sci-fi mystery showed the world that he had what it took." source
 * Time Out ". Self-consciously at a remove from the trashy B-movie sensibilities which have dominated science-fantasy movies in recent times, this harks back to the vacuum-packed, classically alienated dystopia of Brave New World and Fahrenheit 451. Chilly, elegant, and a little bloodless." source
 * CNN "It's not very often that you see a real honest-to-God science fiction film."source
 * Los Angeles Times: "Niccol’s script, which has the earnest simplicity of a freshman philosophy paper, is merely naked exploitation, a sci-fi snow job that projects a contemporary ethical question--would a perfect human be human?--into a solemn future where the worst-case scenario unfolds as conventional Hollywood melodrama." source
 * Austin Chronicle "For all its genre-hopping (science fiction, mystery, love story, socio-political exploration), Gattaca never gets away from itself; it's firmly rooted in Hawke's masterful humanity, making this less a sci-fi epic than a simple (and simply wonderful) lesson in humanity and the direction in which one hopes it's not heading." source
 * SF Gate " In that moment "Gattaca" has the science-fiction chill that audiences want and expect.
 * USA Today "...if smart sci-fi is your vial of tea, Gattaca won't disappoint." source

So from the above (and we can find more, but I think this is plenty), I primarily see science fiction and occasionally it says Science fiction thriller, but usually attached, and a few other scattered classifications. With this, I'd suggest we label it as science fiction in the lead. Perhaps if there are more specific genre discussion to be had, a section can be made for that in the article. Tagging on this for further discussion. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:01, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I’m confused by the intent of MOS:FILMGENRE (thanks for drawing that to my attention). There is benefit, and no harm, to listing all the genres that appear in reliable sources, since we are not talking about mutually exclusive categories. Categories help people make sense of things. As long as the category does not represent a WP:FRINGE belief, it’s going to be a useful angle to understanding the film. The crispness of a single genre doesn’t reflect reality for many films. Not that I’m trying to start a referendum on this, but… I disagree with the applicability of WP:WEIGHT to categorization in the context of blurred boundaries or boundaries that simply do not exist (not just film, but all topics). And do I trust Ebert’s designation of “thriller” more than Austin Chronicle’s omission? Sure. Anyway, a second-best way to deal with this is as you propose: a section discussing the genres. Strebe (talk) 20:41, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The purpose of it is not to swamp the lead with genres as genre is subjective, we should go with the one that is most primary. In this case, from the search above, I do not think I'm out of line in saying science fiction makes sense for the main genre in the lead. Again, I did not see any serious applications of what genre it fits into more from my quick look above, but we don't use our own personal perceptions, we go with what the general discussion is (and in this case, I have found science fiction predominantly). I think it could be good to create a section discussing nuances of the genre if you can find any, I did something similar for the film Drug War in the past. Maybe something like that ? Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:39, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, I also made one for Tetsuo: The Iron Man which could also work. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Gattaca