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Andrew Laming

Andrew Charles Laming (born 30 September 1966) is an Australian politician who was a member of the House of Representatives representing the Division of Bowman for the Liberal National Party of Queensland from 2004 to 2022. He sat with the Liberal Party in federal parliament.

Laming was a medical practitioner and a management consultant before entering politics. He is the son of former Queensland state Liberal MP Bruce Laming, who held the seat of Mooloolah from 1992 until 2001, and served as Deputy Speaker of the Queensland Legislative Assembly.

Early life
Laming was born on 30 September 1966 in Hobart, Tasmania. He was educated at the Anglican Church Grammar School. He studied medicine at the University of Queensland and is a fellow of the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Ophthalmologists. He also holds a Diploma in obstetrics and gynaecology from the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, as well as a Master of Public Administration from the John F. Kennedy School of Government of Harvard University, a Master of Public Policy from Charles Darwin University and a Master of Philosophy in Public Health from the University of Sydney. He has worked in public health, economics, ophthalmology.

Medical career
After graduating from the University of Queensland in 1990, Laming worked as a rural GP in Gundagai, New South Wales, and the rural Queensland towns of Goondiwindi, Mungindi, Dirranbandi and St George. In 1991, he researched anterior cruciate ligament injuries at the Perisher ski fields. In 1992, he worked as a gym manager and rigger in South Africa as well as three months in Afghanistan clearing land mines with the British charity Halo Trust and doing basic war surgery with the International Council of the Red Cross in Kabul. He continued obstetric training in 1993 with a diploma of obstetrics in Bromley and Farnborough Hospital in the UK.

Laming worked in the Northern Territory community of Lajamanu in 1995, combining ophthalmic surgery training and public health. As part of a Master of Philosophy in Public Health, he was the principal researcher in evaluating single dose azithromycin for mass treatment of trachoma. This treatment became standard practice partly as a result of Laming's research. He conducted eye disease surveys across the top end as an ophthalmic registrar and co-founded "RedANT" – Australia's first mobile eye disease database, earning a Master of Public Policy from Charles Darwin University in 2000.

In 1999, Laming established FIDO – Friends In Deed Organisation – while completing ophthalmology training at Sydney Eye Hospital and Royal North Shore Hospital. FIDO was Australia's first internet-based volunteering service which partners skilled volunteers with not-for-profit organisations. Fido is now operated by The Centre for Volunteering in New South Wales and in 2006 it became known as Fido Skilled Volunteer Search.

In 2000, while studying for a Master of Public Administration at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government, Laming was one of three people who established the now annual Kennedy School Review. He co-authored Let's Go Turkey in 2001 before joining the World Bank Group's Health Nutrition and Population section in Washington DC. He then worked with the East Timor Transitional Authority as Health Planning Specialist as the country's health system was rebuilt.

At the 2001 federal election, Laming unsuccessfully challenged Con Sciacca in the federal seat of Bowman.

In 2002, Laming was employed as then Health Minister Kay Patterson's medical and public health advisor, then worked as an ophthalmologist, and a public sector consultant to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission.

Laming was one of seven Liberal MPs in the 46th Parliament of Australia who had obtained degrees at an Oxbridge or Ivy League university, the others being Alan Tudge, Angus Taylor, Josh Frydenberg, Dave Sharma, Greg Hunt and Paul Fletcher.

Parliamentary career
After the 2004 federal redistribution in Queensland, Sciacca nominated for the newly created seat of Bonner, which contained historically safe Labor areas formerly in Bowman, and Laming secured the now notionally Liberal seat of Bowman, centred on Redland City.

In his first parliamentary term, Laming was appointed to represent the government on the UNESCO National Commission and in 2005, he participated in the International Election Observer Mission as an observer of the election of Bougainville's first autonomous government.

In 2006, he was a contributor to the debate on a bill to lift the ban on the "abortion pill" RU486. He said that while undergoing post-graduate training in obstetrics and gynaecology in London, he was required to perform late-term abortions which he found "harrowing". He introduced an amendment to the bill, which would give Parliament a right of veto over the quasi-autonomous government drug regulator – the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA). He failed to win support for the amendment and ultimately supported the bill.

At the 2007 federal election, it initially appeared on election night as if Laming had lost Bowman to Labor rival Jason Young on a large swing. However, counting of pre-poll votes which progressed over the next couple of weeks placed Laming marginally ahead, and the Australian Electoral Commission eventually declared him the winner on a 0.04-point margin – just 64 votes ahead – having suffered a two-party-preferred swing of 8.86 points, compared with the Queensland state average of 7.53 points.

At the 2010 federal election, Laming was re-elected to the seat of Bowman with a swing of more than 10 points. He was subsequently promoted to the position of Shadow Parliamentary Secretary for Regional Health Services and Indigenous Health and onto the front bench. Through this shadow portfolio, Laming was critical of the Government's handling of intervention in Indigenous communities in the Northern Territory.

Throughout his political career, Laming has served on a number of parliamentary committees. These include the House of Representatives' Standing Committee on Communications, Information Technology and the Arts from 2004 to 2007, the Joint Committee of Public Accounts and Audit from 2004 to 2007, the House of Representatives' Standing Committee on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Affairs from 2006 to 2010, the Joint Standing Committee on Treaties in 2007, and the House of Representatives' Standing Committee on Employment and Workplace Relations in 2008.

In May 2013, Laming announced that he would maintain his registration as an eye specialist by applying to the newly constituted AHPRA; stating that this would give him the opportunity to volunteer in Aboriginal communities to perform eye exams and screen for disease to save surgeons time. The Medical Board of Australia granted Laming six time extensions to complete the required paperwork and an unsuccessful application leading to an order to pay the Medical Board's legal costs, Laming's second AHPRA application was successful.

In 2006, Laming supported reform of the PBS, but his proposed changes caused backlash from the Pharmacy Guild.

In 2018, he supported Peter Dutton's calls to treat white South African farmers as refugees. Laming's support of the bill has been linked to a view expounded by the NSW Young Nationals used to influence the party to adopt alt-right views in a report by the ABC. The attempt to prioritise white South African farmers, who are sometimes targets of attacks, above other humanitarian crises at the time was labelled as "'dog-whistling' to racist voters" by opponents of the bill. Elected to the House of Representatives for Bowman, Queensland in 2004 and re-elected in 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016 and 2019, he retired prior to the general election in 2022 after several controversies.

Controversies
In 2007, Laming and fellow Queensland Liberal MPs Gary Hardgrave and Ross Vasta were investigated and subsequently cleared of breaches relating to parliamentary entitlements. This included A$67,000 for printing campaign material and Laming's five-day employment of a staff member who worked in the office of Hardgrave. There was speculation in the media and the Queensland Parliament that funds had been diverted to the Liberals' 2006 state election campaign. On 2 March 2007, the Australian Federal Police conducted a search on the three MPs' electoral offices as well as those of a printing company and a graphic artist.

On 13 August, Ross Vasta was cleared and Gary Hardgrave was cleared on 11 September. Vasta had admitted making an "administrative error" during the investigation, and repaid nearly $24,000. On 28 September 2007, the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions announced that there were not "reasonable prospects of conviction for a criminal offence against Dr Laming", effectively clearing him.

In January 2013, in response to clashes between groups of Indigenous Australians and Pacific Islanders in, Queensland, Laming twice posted the following statement on Twitter: "Mobs tearing up Logan tonight. Did any of them do a day's work today, or was it business as usual and welfare on tap?" The federal Labor ministers Penny Wong and Craig Emerson subsequently criticised Laming's post, with Emerson calling it "disgraceful and inflammatory", while fellow Liberal and shadow Minister Greg Hunt stated that there was a need to be cautious about commenting on the clashes. Laming later posted another tweet which stated "To clarify: Working together to resolve these riots the priority. Training and a chance for jobs are key". The acting opposition leader Warren Truss told reporters that Laming "has got to take responsibility for his own actions. He's done that by correcting the tweet".

On Australia Day in 2014, at a barbecue in his electorate of Bowman, Laming sculled a beer while performing a handstand, attracting significant media attention. The stunt was criticised as attention seeking, prompting then-Prime Minister Tony Abbott to comment that "it wouldn't be how I would choose to celebrate Australia Day", while a witness at the barbecue stated that they were "a little bit surprised when he did it, but in the context of the party it was OK". Earlier that week, Laming voiced opposition to reduced licensing hours for drinking establishments, using Facebook to post: "Why should idiots remove my right to stay out late celebrating a special occasion?"

In March 2015, Laming was suspended from Parliament for 24 hours by the Speaker Bronwyn Bishop for bringing a jar of blackfuel into the Parliament House chamber and pouring it out onto his hand, in protest at the pollution left by cruise ship liners. Bishop said "In his remarks the member himself acknowledged the dangerous nature of the material, setting aside the member's own offence in making use of props it is highly disorderly to bring dangerous and flammable substances into each of the chambers. I consider the member's actions to be totally disorderly, disrespectful of the House and the Federation Chamber and potentially dangerous to the health and safety of members and staff of the Federation Chamber".

He gained notoriety in December 2016 when he spent eleven hours on the comment section of Facebook page 'The Simpsons Against the Liberals' after they published a meme making fun of his proposal to stop hiring PE teachers. This spawned a large amount of media attention, especially regarding his use of curious phrases such as 'mashing lefties'.

On 23 January 2021, Laming made a Facebook post suggesting that Indigenous Australians were petrol sniffers. He has since claimed that posting "Deny it's Australia Day. That'll help petrol sniffing and school attendance in remote Australia" was not racist.

In March 2021, it was reported that Laming had repeatedly made abusive posts on Facebook targeting two women, with one of the women stating that he had been doing so for six years. Prime Minister Scott Morrison told Laming to apologise for this in parliament before the story was broadcast, which he did. As part of his apology Laming stated that the women are "highly regarded individuals within our Redland community", though in a subsequent exchange he reportedly said that "In this climate – I willingly apologise – I didn't even know what for at 4pm when I did it." On 27 March, after a third woman accused him of misconduct, Laming issued a statement saying, "I will step down from all Parliamentary roles effective immediately and complete both the counselling courses I committed to; as well as additional clinical counselling." The following day, Laming announced that he would not stand for re-election. However, he did not withdraw his nomination for preselection after his announcement. On 12 April 2021, he was disendorsed by the LNP, making him eligible for a taxpayer-funded 'resettlement payment' of six months' salary, amounting to  $105,600.

On 6 April 2021, Guardian Australia reported that Laming had set up and operated around 35 Facebook pages, supposedly for community groups and suburbs in his electorate, which he allegedly used to promote political material and attack political opponents, seemingly in contravention of Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) rules requiring political authorisation for information intended to influence how electors vote. On 7 April, the AEC confirmed it was investigating the Facebook pages regarding their lack of authorisation disclosure.

In March 2022, the Independent Parliamentary Expenses Authority, which audits the travel and expenses of Members of Parliament to ensure they meet parliamentary standards, ordered Laming to repay over $10,000 for travel expenses he claimed in 2019. Laming refused to pay back the money and claimed that the relevant emails proving the purpose of his travel were 'lost'.

Post-parliament
In January 2024, Laming announced he would run for mayor of Redland at the local government elections. On 25 January, he confirmed he had dropped his LNP membership, saying it had "no place" at a local level".

Publications

 * Laming, A.C., Currie B., Mathews J.D., "Azithromycin and trachoma; the first three months", The Northern Territory Communicable Diseases Bulletin, NT Department of Health and Community Services, 1995.
 * Laming, A.C., et al. "Trachoma six months after the first azithromycin program in Australia", The Northern Territory Communicable Diseases Bulletin, NT Department of Health and Community Services, 1995; 2:1–3
 * Laming, A.C., "Azithromycin Trachoma Evaluation Group", Central Australian Rural Practitioners Association, 1995, Number 20.
 * Laming, A.C., "Afghanistan tragedy: war, public health and human suffering", Australian Family Physician, 1995, 24: 2191–5.
 * Laming, A.C., Martin F.J., "Right problem, wrong solution; Medical provider number restriction", ANZ Journal of Ophthalmology, 1997, 25: 5–6.
 * Laming, A.C., Leach A.J., et al., "A prospective study of azithromycin treatment of trachoma on carriage and resistance of Streptococcus pneumoniae", Clinical Infectious Diseases, 1997, 24: 356–62.
 * Laming, A.C., Hallsworth PG, "Chlamydial detection in trachoma". Medical Journal of Australia, 13 February 1999.
 * Laming, A.C. (founding editor), Livesey F., Lyman L., Kennedy School Review, Harvard University, 2000,.
 * Laming, A.C., et al. "A targeted single-dose azithromycin strategy for trachoma", Medical Journal of Australia, April 2000.
 * Laming, A.C., (co-author) Let's Go Turkey, St Martin's Press, 2001.

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== Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2017 - Sakura's new official surname should also be added at the beginning of her Wikipedia page, just like Hinata's new surname already is on her own Wikipedia page. ==

The words "Sakura Haruno (春野 サクラ Haruno Sakura)" from the first line of Sakura's Wikipedia page should be changed to "Sakura Haruno (春野 サクラ Haruno Sakura) (later Sakura Uchiha (うちはサクラ Uchiha Sakura))" since this is Sakura's official surname now. Also, this is how the first line of Hinata's Wikipedia page begins: "Hinata Hyuga (日向 ヒナタ Hyūga Hinata) (later Hinata Uzumaki (うずまき ヒナタ Uzumaki Hinata)". Therefore, if Hinata is also addressed to as Uzumaki Hinata in the beginning of her Wikipedia article, Sakura should definitely also be addressed to as Uchiha Sakura too. LaLaLand123 (talk) 22:13, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: I know this is because I'm not very proficient in Japanese, but could you at least try to find a source confirming that those are indeed her most recent Japanese names? ToThAc (talk) 15:27, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

 * I spyed with my eyes on the Road to Boruto video game where Sakura is an adult and she is introduced as "Sakura Uchiha". I also checked the Naruto wikia and saw that the Boruto movie guidebook also used that name.Tintor2 (talk) 16:39, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Furthermore, Sakura was officially addressed to as "Sakura Uchiha" in the official page with character mentions from "Naruto Gaiden: The Seventh Hokage and the Scarlet Spring". Sakura was also officially addressed to as "Sakura Uchiha" in her official description from "Boruto: Naruto the Movie". Thus, in basically every single official part of the story that happens after Sasuke and Sakura got married, Sakura is addressed to only as "Sakura Uchiha" since this is her new canon surname. Also, Sakura is addressed as "Sakura Uchiha" in more official descriptions than Hinata is addressed as "Hinata Uzumaki" (for example, in the official page with character mentions from "Naruto Gaiden: The Seventh Hokage and the Scarlet Spring", as I already said above); so, as I said above, considering that Hinata's official Wikipedia page already mentions at the beginning that Hinata's canon surname now is Uzumaki, the fact that Sakura's canon surname is now Uchiha should definitely also be added at the beginning of Sakura’s Wikipedia page. LaLaLand123 (talk) 20:06, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Shouldn't we mention that in the a brief mention about the characters' role in Boruto mentions? I mean look at Naruto Uzumaki and Sasuke Uchiha whose roles in Boruto are mentioned in the lead too.Tintor2 (talk) 23:17, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Well, it could be, but I definitely believe it will be fairer if Sakura's new official surname (Uchiha) is mentioned at the beginning of her Wikipedia page, right after her original surname. I am saying this because, when it comes to this matter, Sakura's Wikipedia page should be organised in the exact same way that Hinata's Wikipedia page is organised since we're basically talking about the same thing in both situations. Both of the Wikipedia pages should mention their new official surnames in exactly the same place. LaLaLand123 (talk) 02:27, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

 * I forgot to mention that even in the latest version of the second Boruto ending (which first appeared at the end of the 23th Boruto episode), in the cast section, Sakura is clearly introduced as "Uchiha Sakura" (うちはサクラ) right below Uchiha Sarada (うちはサラダ) and Uchiha Sasuke (うちはサスケ). In this scene, only the names of Sarada, Sasuke and Sakura are listed since this is meant to show that they are a family, the Uchiha family.

 * It is exactly like this:
 * うちはサラダ
 * うちはサスケ
 * うちはサクラ

 * (And, at the right, in this ending scene there also are the names of their Japanese voice actors.)

 * This scene can be seen right at the beginning part of that ending, in the top left corner of the screen.

 * And the Boruto anime is, of course, official and the fact that the arc which this ending was made for had been created by Kishimoto himself ("Naruto Gaiden: The Seventh Hokage and the Scarlet Spring") makes the ending utterly important. LaLaLand123 (talk) 15:03, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Important edit: Now, I've seen that Hinata's Wikipedia page was edited in the way Tintor2 suggested - this way, now the fact that Hinata's official surname is Uzumaki is mentioned at the end of the first paragraph on her page, in the line about her role in the anime sequel "Boruto: Naruto Next Generations". So, the same should now also be done to Sakura since, as I said above, Sakura's and Hinata's pages should be organised in exactly the same way when it comes to this matter. So, the fact that Sakura's surname is now Uchiha should now also be mentioned at the end of the first paragraph on her page. And one more thing: I also see that there is actually nothing said about Sakura's role in the anime sequel "Boruto: Naruto Next Generations" in the first paragraph of Sakura’s Wikipedia page. So, this short information should also be added along with the fact that she is now called "Uchiha Sakura (うちはサクラ)" in this anime sequel. Therefore, something like this should briefly be added right at the end of the first paragraph on Sakura's page: "In the anime sequel Boruto: Naruto Next Generations, Sakura, now called Sakura Uchiha (うちはサクラ, Uchiha Sakura) is a doctor of the Konoha hospital." LaLaLand123 (talk) 19:27, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

 * I tried doing that. Thanks for pointing it out.Tintor2 (talk) 19:34, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Thank you too for including the information in the page! LaLaLand123 (talk) 23:45, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

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Seeing as the Byakugō Seal is her most powerful Jutsu, and is key to her medical skills, i added it in. This article seems weirdly limited.Y'all haters corny with that Illuminati mess. (talk) 19:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)Bluefleet

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Oliver Paipoonge

Oliver Paipoonge is a township in the Canadian province of Ontario, located directly west of the city of Thunder Bay. The municipality was formed on January 1, 1998, with the amalgamation of the former Township of Oliver and Township of Paipoonge. It contains several communities within its boundaries, including Baird, Carters Corners, Harstone, Kakabeka Falls, Lee, McCluskeys Corners, Millar, Murillo, Rosslyn, Slate River Valley, Stanley and Twin City. The remainder of the municipality is agricultural or rural.

The municipality is part of Thunder Bay's Census Metropolitan Area.

Geography
The geography of Oliver Paipoonge transitions from river valleys in the south, through flat open farmland and rolling hills in the central areas, to the rough Canadian Shield in the north. The most notable geographic feature is Kakabeka Falls, located on the western edge of the municipality in Kakabeka Falls Provincial Park.

Communities
Murillo contains a post office, a store, a municipal hall, and a Public Library. New commercial enterprises, located in the Rubin Industrial Park, include a well driller, self-storage facility, a forest products manufacturer, and the Rural Roots child care facility. Each year the village hosts the Murillo Fall Fair, which features chariot races.

The village is the location of the government offices for the Municipality of Oliver Paipoonge as well as the Oliver Paipoonge Police and the Lakehead Rural Planning Board.

Murillo was originally a water stop on the Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR). The stop was named after the Spanish painter Bartolomé Estéban Murillo, as the CPR was at that time using the names of painters to name the many new communities springing up along its trans-Canadian line.

Rosslyn contains numerous commercial enterprises and is home to approximately 1,200 people and the Paipoonge Museum. A golf course and housing subdivision, named King George's Park, are currently being developed in a former gravel pit. There is also a skating rink here, and a community centre and Public Library beside it.

Kakabeka Falls takes its name from the nearby Kakabeka Falls waterfall. The Lauber Arboretum is located in the community.

As Kakabeka Falls' economy is based on tourism, its main street is lined with tourist oriented businesses such as hotels, restaurants, and camping sites. A three-day street fair is hosted in the village every August. Kakabeka Falls has a public school, called Kakabeka Falls Elementary School, located on the community's main street.

Demographics
In the 2021 Census of Population conducted by Statistics Canada, Oliver Paipoonge had a population of $6,035$ living in $2,323$ of its $2,390$ total private dwellings, a change of NaN% from its 2016 population of $5,922$. With a land area of 350.51 km2, it had a population density of in 2021.

According to the 2016 census, 51.2% of Oliver Paipoonge's population were male and 48.8% were female. Children under five accounted for approximately 5.1% of the resident population of Oliver Paipoonge. This compares with 5.2% in Ontario as a whole.

In mid-2001, 9.7% of the resident population in Oliver Paipoonge were of retirement age (65 and over for males and females) compared with 13.2% in Canada. The average age was 37.9 years of age comparing to 37.6 years of age for all of Canada.

Transportation
The municipality is served by three major highways. Highways 61 and 130 are located in the southeast corner of the municipality and serves as the backbone of the Slate River Valley, an agricultural community. Highway 130 connects to the Trans-Canada Highway (Highway 11/17) at Rosslyn, the largest settlement. It also serves as the main street for Kakabeka Falls. Approximately half of the population of Oliver Paipoonge lives within five kilometres of Highway 11/17. Highway 102 runs through the northeast corner of the municipality.

A small grass airstrip is located northeast of Kakabeka Falls, and two rail lines run through the municipality.

Economy
Oliver Paipoonge's primary industry is agriculture, followed with tourism focused around Kakabeka Falls and forest products manufacturing in Murillo and Rosslyn. Many residents commute to work either to Thunder Bay or the surrounding woodlands.

Politics
The municipal office of Oliver Paipoonge is located in the village of Murillo. The current mayor of Oliver Paipoonge is Lucia Kloosterhuis; first elected as mayor in 2003, having previously served as a councillor in both Oliver Paipoonge and the former Township of Paipoonge. The first female elected as mayor in Oliver Township was Iris Calvert, in 1991. Previously, the Municipality of Paipoonge had not elected a female as mayor.

Sites of interest
Each year Kakabeka Falls hosts a street fair, Murillo hosts the Murillo Fall Fair, the Slate River area hosts the Slate River Ploughing Match, and the Agriplex hosts an annual summer fair.

There are two museums in the municipality: the Paipoonge Museum in Rosslyn and the Pioneer Museum in the Slate River Valley.

Education
Oliver Paipoonge is served by the Lakehead District School Board. There are four schools located in Oliver Paipoonge, Crestview Public School in Murillo, Kakabeka Falls Public School in Kakabeka Falls, Valley Central Public School and Thunder Bay Christian School (JK - Grade 10). High schools students are bused to Thunder Bay. A daycare centre is located in Murillo.

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Re-submitting this as a good article
The article has been fixed up, and what was needed to be added has been added. I believe this is ripe for a good article review now, so I am submitting this again. Last time I had removed the nomination myself to fix issues someone pointed out, such as the production of the film and its lead section. If there are still issues you may have noticed then please let me know. -- NowIsntItTime 21:32, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The Critical reception section reeks of direct quotes. Consider reducing the amount of quotes, see WP:QUOTE and WP:RECEPTION, and try building a commentary out of those reviews. See The Shawshank Redemption and American Beauty for excellent examples on how to do this. Also, what do German film critics have to say about the movie? It's very important to report on the film's reception in Germany. A lot of the reviews in the article came from Western publications. Tks,  Slightlymad  (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:03, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh ok, up until now I had no idea that direct quotes would have been a problem, so I'll get right to changing that up! I'll also look around for the German critics so that it's well balanced. -- NowIsntItTime 04:16, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * There are some statements that I tagged as unsourced/needing a better source, so please resolve them. Can you find a citation that says the movie was well received in Germany? Tks,  Slightlymad  (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:01, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Done! Added sources, but I had to change it to reflect its divided reception at first. I also added another reference for Hermann Graml, but I didn't know whether you meant the whole of Germany or the critics for Germany. Which one do you mean? -- NowIsntItTime 16:09, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Nah never mind that one. I searched it myself but yielded no results. I will expand on the DVD/Blu-ray releases shortly instead. Tks,  Slightlymad  (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:35, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Naming?
I'm wondering... Outside of the Anglosphere Der Untergang seems to be the more used title, plus it's the original title. And for older movies generally the original titles are used from what I remember. So why is the Englified title used? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:980:1234:1:C50:7924:D52B:EAB5 (talk) 00:10, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The film was released under its English title outside Germany, in which case it should be used as the article's title, as per Wikipedia's naming conventions for films.  Slightlymad  (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:56, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

GA fix-ups
Hello. I've had almost a week of free time to work on the article. Just want to let you know that I've done almost half of what you've asked me to do so far and I'll be looking for more info to do the rest in the future. Oh and I had an idea to add a section for the score, but I don't know if it exists yet. NowIsntItTime(chats)(doings) 03:11, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Would you want to take a look at the state of the article now to see how it's coming along? I'd like some comments on what I can do next to improve the article, even if I have to end up re-submitting it later. -NowIsntItTime(chats)(doings) 16:45, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Unless you are willing to go over it again, as I have fixed the issues you had with the article, I am going to request that another reviewer come on-board to determine whether it now qualifies or not. Just giving you notice, as you've been inactive in checking on its progress for a while now. -NowIsntItTime(chats)(doings) 01:52, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey! Since this review here is closed, you will have to open a new one anyway. I will see, if I find the time to do the second review. Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:05, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, sounds good. I will open the second review page in the meantime. I will give you a few weeks or so to come back and re-review it. -NowIsntItTime(chats)(doings) 11:51, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * NowIsntItTime, you are not allowed to open a GA review page for someone else, and you are especially not allowed to open a GA review page when you're the nominee. Please request a deletion for Talk:Downfall (2004 film)/GA2 right away (see WP:G7 for instructions on how to do so). Zwerg Nase is the one who needs to open the review, assuming they get around to doing so; if they don't, it might get taken up anyway, since there's a GAN backlog drive going on at the moment. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:22, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, please delete the review page. I will not be able to come back too this review at this time unfortunately. Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:36, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Ah, shit. I'm so sorry. When Zwerg said I needed to open a new review I thought they meant for me to open up another page, my bad, I'll delete it right away.

that's too bad you won't get around to reviewing it. The next person, then, will do it. -NowIsntItTime(chats)(doings) 11:08, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for having it deleted, NowIsntItTime. I've adjusted the GA nominee template (the page should still be 2). The note you added is not necessary, but I've left it in. The nomination is now ready for a new reviewer to come along; I hope it happens soon, but it can take quite a while, unfortunately. Best of luck! BlueMoonset (talk) 15:27, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yah not a problem. I just had no idea you couldn't do that for someone else, but now I know for next time. -NowIsntItTime(chats)(doings) 15:32, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Parodies again
Surely it's the Fegelein tirade that's been most used? Perhaps this can be sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:35, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

"Oppa Hitler Style" listed at Redirects for discussion
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World Music Wikiproject
Hello! I'm the one who started expanding Music of Uruguay. I read the World Music Wikiproject page. Very interesting. However, the Wikiproject's Talk page is empty. On the other hand, a lot of talk about the world music project seems to happen on your personal page. Can/should this be rectified? Also, is there a community of people working on the World Music Wikiproject who have a space where they talk that I'm not aware of? And finally, the box you added to Music of Uruguay about the Wikiproject mentioned six articles in need of work (Chechnya, Java, etc.) but that list does not appear on the Wikiproject page. Wondering why. Maybe just respond onto my talk page, or the World Music Wikiproject talk page, since I'm not going to bookmark your page (unless you tell me I should to stay informed about the Wikiproject). Thanks for the explanations. Mona-Lynn 09:22, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Hi again. Just looking around, I see a lot of little things that need doing in the various music pages include some general reorganizing. I've started a to-do list on my personal page, but I'm wondering whether we should start a communal list on the World Music Wikiproject page. Or is there a better way to get organized as a group? Please respond on my page. Thx Mona-Lynn 22:01, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

world music/muslim
Hi Tuf-Kat. Saw your request for help for world music sections. Just wondering about category "muslim music". Does such a thing exist? Do you mean religious music? I find it pretty confusing cause the cultural expanse is so varied -doesn't seem to make sense.

kashasu

- I wonder if all these music samples are such a good idea. According to fair use, audio samples are never fair use, regardless of length:
 * One of the few cases where this factor is irrelevant is in sampling a piece of a copyrighted sound recording. If no permission is obtained to use a sample, then no matter how small the sample, an infringement has been committed.

- Fredrik 23:56, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * The fair use article was wrong. It did look that way for a while but subsequent decisions have changed the picture back to something approaching more normal fair use. I've corrected the article but haven't yet linked in all of the decisions. Jamesday 21:37, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

what up BIIOOTCH..Just wondering what your up to. My cell is working again so hit me up XXX. peace Tucci

fire department alert
We've had trouble tonight with a vandal, see Block log. Some suspect it is the same user as User:Bird....it looks like the worst is over...but please help us keep an eye on the situation. thanks. Kingturtle 08:34, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Solar deity
Could you please move Solar Deity to Solar deity? This would not only be more correct, but also consistent with Lunar deity. Thanks. (Please respond to me on my Talk page.) --Lowellian 21:45, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for doing the move. --Lowellian 20:51, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

Isis
OK, I'm not reverting to the disambiguation page. I have, however, restored the external links and other comments I had added. Formeruser-83 04:37, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I saw that and tried to fix it but couldn't Formeruser-83 05:02, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Outlaw country
Can you help with the references in outlaw country, please. Tiles 08:10, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for having a look. Tiles 07:03, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thank You!
I want to thank you DEEPLY for your support in the vote to promote me to a sysop. I promise to do my best to be as helpful, sensible, and neutral as possible. Your friend, Ryan.

Request for bureaucracy
TUF-KAT, as the only bureaucrat I saw in RC just now, do you mind promoting three admins? They all are unanimous (well, except for fabiform, who asked for an oppose vote or two for modesty's sake), and it would be great to get them all in the loop. I'd do it myself if I had the power -- failing that, I rely on the old-fashioned system of "asking a favor". Hope you have time to give it. :-) Thanks again for your help in a myriad of ways here. Jwrosenzweig 21:13, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for responding so quickly! I appreciate it -- sorry if I took you away from something.  Hope the rest of your day goes well, Jwrosenzweig 21:34, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Cartman's penis
Between the two of us, we may have seen the whole episode -- I missed the beginning. But I actually laughed out loud at the scene in question (you may or may not...I may be warped! -- actually I'm not sure anyone else would call it the Cartman's penis scene...it's very unobtrusive) -- Nunh-huh 01:48, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, it was the unobtrusiveness that was hilarious, if you get my drift. Let me know your reaction if you do happen to see it. (You're right, it's inevitable). Even bongless, it was a rip. -- Nunh-huh 01:56, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I am not, however, involved in any disputes over naming of places in Poland or anywhere. I am involved in being called an anti-Polish bigot because I disagree with the handful of Polish nationalist editors on certain questions of Polish history. There is nothing in this situation I am not used to and I don't feel in any need of mediation. Adam 01:46, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your support on RFA! It is much appreciated. –Hajor 16:31, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi Tuf-Kat. I don't know if you've seen, I've been making some changes over at the mediation boards. I think that we need to make some real decisions about mediation policies, and I think the voting facility on the boards could be useful for that. I've made a section for "mediation policy" - the poll facility there is set to only allow votes by mediators. I'm intending to move all the discussion about policy into that area. I'm not sure if all of the committee members have been to the board recently, it would be good if we could all get together there to make some decisions. What do you think? -- sannse (talk) 17:40, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Please check Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship so you can make an informed decision on my Request for Adminship --Hcheney 17:37, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Mediation on placenames
Tuf, what's the next step? I accepted being a mediator, but I haven't had any response from those seeking help. Surely they don't expect me to wade in and rewrite the articles for them.... --Uncle Ed 18:47, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Message received and returned
I have read through your discussion at User talk:Kingturtle after seeing the request for mediation. As I understand things, you are both willing to accept mediation but can not agree on the method? Is your only option private chat or this talk page? Do you have any opinions on who should mediate? Tuf-Kat 20:25, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)

ANYONE other than rickk. GrazingshipIV 20:40, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)

mediation
sure, how about you? If you don't want to, or if he doesn't want you to, then I'd have to think about it. I don't so much have preferences as people I'd rule out, and I don't think its helpful or nice to list off who I don't want mediating. Sam Spade 22:44, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

strange rudeness from anon
Fool. Sucker.

You are supposed to validate information by comparing it with a reliable source, not by reformating it so it appears valid.

Hello.

- Re: mediation. No thanks. To be honest, I think that Sam's mediation request is just a form of trolling. I know that you mean well, but this I'm sure that mediation won't do any good. 172 09:33, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for all the great work
I just wanted to stop by and thank you again for the phenomenal job you're doing with the music-related articles. Keep it up! Dori | Talk 20:50, Mar 29, 2004 (UTC)

Europe
No need to get offended, really. My explanation of changes was that short on purpose - it's easier to write one sentence in the "summary" section, than to write an essay in the discussion. Especially that it would be off -topic. Anyway, apparently you understood what I meant and G*d bless you for the change in the table header.

Also, note that Eastern Europe gives Generally this means that it lies between the western border of Russia and the Ural and Caucasus mountains as the primary meaning of the term.Halibutt 03:57, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

WikiProject
I see you did a lot of reorganizing here, and I think it looks great. Thanks. —LarryGilbert 05:06, 2004 Apr 1 (UTC)

Please stop supporting User:Exploding Boy for adminship. He makes innapropriate articles like Finger fucking and Collar (BDSM). Radical WiKi 13:21, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Doe Maar
I came across Doe Maar, an article in long-time need of editing. I gave it a decent edit. Maybe you can give it some more work? When you have some time. Kingturtle 10:50, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Coke La Rock
So, can you turn that into a real article? john 05:17, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Mediation
Tuf Kat, thanks for your message. I don't at this time have a preference for who mediates. I'm not even sure that mediation is what I need. I do need User: RK to stop personally attacking me and vandalising the traditional Chinese medicine article. It looks like there may be other ways to resolve this problem that are being addressed elsewhere, such as here: Requests_for_comment/RK. I'm clearly not the only person having these problems. heidimo 23:38, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

No probs. I'm going to sleep now, but if you need help tomorrow, just holler. Danny 04:00, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Electronic music genres
Hi Tuf-Kat, looks like you've been busy on musical genres recently. I've been away for a while, but it's great work! I was wondering whether you'd mind me having a stab at the electronic music genre list, since I've done a fair bit of work of those pages. I will first try modifying your current template at User:TUF-KAT/Fun with tables. --Lexor|Talk 08:19, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * I decided to be bold and go ahead and do the updates. --Lexor|Talk 11:34, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Pine Barrens
Thanks for the edit on the page, it was getting lonely out there! However, I had the article at "Pine Barrens (New Jersey)" because pine barren and pine barrens are apparently general terms. See and. Admittedly, all of the links on Wikipedia currently refer to the ones in Jersey. Perhaps a note in the lead of the current page, if not a move back. would be sufficent right now? ~ FriedMilk 10:58, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * Ok then. I suppose I shouldn't worry about it, until someone with an interest in enviromental science comes along and decides to give pine barrens in general proper treatment. I'm no more prepared to write that article than I would be to write tropical rainforest or coastal plain. ~ FriedMilk 20:07, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Leaving Through The Window
Hello. I noticed you moved around the pages and links associated with Something Corporate's album. On both their official site and amazon.com the album is listed with a capital 'T' in 'The,' so I created the articles to reflect that. I know the 't' is usually kept lowercase in titles, but here it seemed that the articles should reflect what the band had chosen. If there is another reason to keep it how it is (after the move) that I'm not aware of, please let me know so I can change a few more articles where that title is listed. Thanks! -- Jrdioko 01:17, Apr 21, 2004 (UTC)

 * Actually, when I created the article I assumed the 'the' was not capitalized but checked around just to make sure and it does seem to me that the band intended it to be that way (as well as most of their songs too, it turns out). I'll move it back, thanks for the info. -- Jrdioko 03:54, Apr 21, 2004 (UTC)

Response to Tori Amos Glue Queery

 * I think the paragraph says it was a few copies which were sent out ahead of the actual release to reviewers. I have no idea if Amos ever did this, but many artists have, so it doesn't seem unlikely. Tuf-Kat 11:19, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * Before the commonality of internet music trading, artists and labels would often issue full-length promotional copies of their CDs (often with unique packaging) to music industry professionals for the purpose of review. The technology of copy-protected CDs was invented to prevent this, but it was flawed and often broke people's CD-players. For Scarlet's Walk, Amos and her husband and crew invented a glue-substance; they then put promotional copies of the album inside CD-discmen and glued them shut; these were mailed out to industry professionals with the demand of their return within a specific time frame. If one attempted to open them, the disc would shatter inside the device. This is what occurred. Pacian 03:45, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

User:MeenakshiM contributions
Regarding your posting of User:MeenakshiM contributions on Copyright problems - I need to know the page names that have had a copyright violation notice on them for more than seven days so they can be deleted. In the future, please list all pages tagged with the copyvio notice. - Tεx τ urε 16:52, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Dionne Warwick
At the beginning of your article on Dionne Warwick:

"(I could've sworn she was dead, but allmusic doesn't mention it)"

Wasn't the marijuana arrest as recent as the middle of 2002? Wiwaxia 14:21, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Requests for mediation
Hi Tuf-Kat. I'm tidying Requests for mediation again. Can I clear RK / Heidimo? It has you as "initial contact" but I'm not sure what happened from there. Did anything come of this one? Regards -- sannse (talk) 20:53, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks I'll archive it then. -- sannse (talk) 08:45, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Let'sStayTogether.ogg
Hi, could you take a look at, it appears to be 0 bytes long, and someone has put a speedy deletion notice on it. Thanks, Dori | Talk 00:34, Apr 29, 2004 (UTC)

Hi. The states left are (in order of size) Kansas, Nebraska, Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Dakota , Louisiana, Montana , Maine. I'd be happy to help, but my connection is really slow. Danny 03:50, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Just a little question
"(=B Dog should be B Real= :You can change this yourself! Click on "view article" then "edit this page", and you fix it. Secfan 08:10, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC))"

This was written by you on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_rappers

But why couldn't you edit it yourself? I mean it's good that you pointed out such an error :) but you could've fixed it as well in case nobody reads the talk page :D

0 byte file
A file (Image:Let'sStayTogether.ogg) that you uploaded has a size of 0 bytes. This usually happens when the wrong filename is specified when a file is uploaded. Maximus Rex 22:43, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Vocabulary Project
Hi there, I have started a project for learning, particularly vocabulary. It is based on the belief that it is best to learn foreign words by learning typical sentences. The program can also be used for learning other stuff that works with the question/answer scheme, e.g. the theory for the driving licence or anatomy. Unfortunately I wrote it in qbasic, which can be downloaded here. It also uses images and sound files for alternation and in order to work on the pronunciation. I currently have files in English, French (with sound), and Spanish. Catalan and Portuguese are in the planning. Corrections or additions are very welcome. The easiest thing to start with for improvements would be adding new vocabulary, sound files or images. In the long run the program should be rewritten in a better language like Visual Basic. Afterwards it should be possible to switch languages within the program. Up to now there is a different version of the program for each language. Sj suggested to include the lists of vocabulary in wikibooks, and since I saw you have bureaucrat status over there I thought you could advise me about how to do this best. Get-back-world-respect 00:39, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Question for you at my talk page! Get-back-world-respect 15:34, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

Something else, I saw you are a mediator, so maybe you have an idea of how to deal with someone who tries to personally insult me on his userpage by creating a "crybaby of the year award"? TDC already got banned once for telling someone to "suck his own dick". I also asked Bcorr and Sannse about it. Get-back-world-respect 17:15, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks, I tried and asked him abou it. However, dispute resolution clearly says no personal attacks. Over there it says Many Wikipedians remove personal attacks on sight. In extreme cases, users have been banned for repeatedly engaging in personal attacks. TDC already got banned once, was listed as a vandal, and someone created a page Requests_for_comment/TDC. I listed his crybaby image for speedy deletion. Get-back-world-respect 23:06, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

continue discussion at MediaWiki Talk:California?
Hi, Tuf-Kat. Haven't heard back from you --- I'm trying to analyze and understand your objection, to see if we can come up with something mutually agreeable. Would you like to continue to discuss the footer box? -- hike395 07:41, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

Request regarding Mediation Committee
More than two weeks ago, on April 25, the Arbitration Committee referred a case to us which it had considered regarding Anthony DiPierro and a number of other user to us here: Requests_for_mediation.

While Anthony has agreed to mediation, so far, there has been no response from another party in order to begin working on the Anthony mediation. We have drafted a statement at User:Bcorr/mediation statement draft that we would like to post on the Requests for mediation to the Arbitration Committee and all other interested parties, but before we do so, we want to check with the rest of the Mediation Committee. Please review the statement and let me know if you approve, wish to make/suggest changes, or have another way you'd like to suggest that we proceed.

Also, in that statement we refer to ourselves as co-chairs of the committee. There was discussion at the mediation bulletin board on the bottom half of the page, but we wanted to confirm that there was agreement on our being co-chairs for the period noted there before we post the statement. Also, if people are amenable to our serving as co-chairs, I will add that information to the Mediation Committee page.

Please take a moment to comment on these issues at User:Bcorr/mediation statement draft.

Thanks, BCorr | Брайен 01:53, May 13, 2004 (UTC)

 * I've made a change to the statement to add in llywrch's comment. Please let me know if you object.  Unless anyone dislikes this change I will pass on the statement tomorrow evening.  Regards -- sannse (talk) 19:59, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

Runnin' (Dying to Live)
Hiya, I saw that you deleted the article Runnin' (Dying to Live) (good move, song lyrics in Wikipedia are a terrible idea, both non-encyclopaedic and a copyright problem), so I just thought I'd let you know that the exact same content is at Runnin (Dying to Live) (same title, no apostrophe). --Stormie 05:42, Jun 3, 2004 (UTC)
 * Never mind, it's been listed on Votes For Deletion, it'd probably be rude to speedily delete it now. --Stormie 06:31, Jun 3, 2004 (UTC)

Categories
It seems to me that Categories, at least for musical topics, are proliferating with little sense of logic. As you have probably noticed, for example, there are categories for "Male singers" and "Female singers", which are now listed as sub-categories of "Vocalists". This doesn't make sense. If you look at it from a strict taxonomic POV, gender would be at the bottom (or top), no?, with separate branches for each genre underneath. Also, if you look at "Female singers", you will notice that some singers are listed by first name, others by last name. It appears that for the most part people are just making up categories on a unilateral, ad hoc basis, with no real planning involved. Is there any consensus, for example, as to whether broad categories are desirable or in fact fine-grained ones? As you know, I have written many articles on musical topics, but I haven't started categorizing them because the whole system seems so haphazard and I don't want to waste my time in futile endeavors. Since you have written more on music than anyone else here, would you be interested in trying to (help) coordinate this business together with a few other people like Camembert and myself? Simply a project page somewhere where we could discuss categories before they are implemented would be good start. I realize that central coordination is an anathema in this anarchic environment, but we have no choice; otherwise the categories system will just be a mess. I will leave you with something Anthere posted on the ML recently (I think someone else wrote it):

Proper meta tagging will allow our content to be neatly organised and easy to search. Proper meta tagging implies neat categories, which may be crossed by other neat categories. Internet is a huge mess of data, most of them are very poorly referenced. We'll become a serious reference if our content is cleanly tagged, hence searchable with complex queries.

list of museums in Australia with a chinese flag hanging above the entrance door is of no use.

Search "museum" where "country is 'australia'" and "topic is 'China'" is useful.

To be useful, meta-tags must be large rather than very specific. Query gives the specificity.

-- Viajero 11:11, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your note. Given what you say, I think that for the time being I will probably not spend much time on Categories and just continue writing articles. Enjoy your two-month break and see you in August! All the best, -- Viajero 13:54, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Music sample
Hiya Tuf-Kat, off the top of my head, I seem to remember that you added the music sample to Bright Eyes, but it doesn't seem to be working over here. I was wondering if you could fix it, or maybe you could tell me that it's just a problem on my end. :-) --cprompt 14:35, Jun 15, 2004 (UTC)

Lam - Mor lam
Hi, I was just wondering why you put Mor lam and Mor lam sing in the category Lam after you merged the Lam article into Mor lam. I am very curious as to this.... Waerth 04:55, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Oh no, no need to change, just wondering. I live in Bangkok myself and am the only contributor (more or less) to the Dutch wikipedia about this region. I do not know everthing so I regularly translate articles from en or de wiki's also this article. So just curious. Waerth 05:02, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Great editing
I just added you to Great editing in progress. Good job on the music categories. moink 05:19, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Whew
Dang, you scared me! Good luck, hope you come back refereshed. RickK 06:15, Jun 17, 2004 (UTC)
 * Have fun. :-) Kudos on the user-page.....which I hope you realize will get duplicated by all those indiscriminate mirrors and forks and live out on the net for a year or two after you're back. I hope everyone else will find it as hilarious as I did. :-) Jwrosenzweig 23:32, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * I came to leave a mediation-related note but discovered you're taking a wikivacation. Enjoy, and come back happy and calm. Peace Profound, BCorr | Брайен 18:42, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Bogus Categorization
Please do not include anything further in the category Oceanid and remove anything you have placed there unless you know from a primary text that the person is called an Oceanid or called a daughter of Oceanus. User Tucci528's work is generally careless, inaccurate and often suppositious and Tucci528 almost never gave a source for statements. Tucci528's list of Oceanids is not to be trusted. Tucci528 also incorrectly applied the feminine word Oceanid to masculine river gods.

I was going through the list intending to fix it up and ended getting side-tracked into fixing up an enormous number of inaccuracies in the entries linked to by the list and the entries those entries linked to and so on and got sidetracked again into fixing gross errors in entries in middle-eastern mythology and adding necessary background entries in that area.

Tucci521 also added various rivers to his list of children of Oceanus apparently on the basis that every river god is a son of Oceanus. They aren't. Your listing male river gods like Alpheus in the category "river goddesses" is doubly wrong.

I plan to get around eventually to redoing that list giving sources for each name listed.

Do not trust anything supplied by Tucci521.

It begins to look like categories provide a method by which errors once limited to particular lists in particular entries are now spread thoughout Wikipedia.

My feeling is that no list which doesn't give sources for its entries, and most of them don't, can be trusted. jallan 18:22, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Argentina
Just a note that the adjective for Argentina is Argentine, not Argentinian. You made a Category:Argentinian culture which duplicated Category:Argentine culture. I am going to attempt to sort out... Secretlondon 05:00, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * LOL. Dumbass. ;) -Stevertigo

[[TUF–KAT
You might want to see User:TUF–KAT. Somebody decided to impersonat you with an m-dash instead of a dash in their name. Rick'''K

long time no see
hey, this is an old friend from richmond. it was a pleasant surprise discovering you on here. you should drop me a line when you get back. hope you had fun in the mountains.

Lachatdelarue 19:55, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Come back soon
You scared me there for a second, as I thought you had left. As I read your user page, I first thought your account had been hacked. And finally I read about your vacation :) Dori | Talk 13:41, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)

Question About Master P/No Limit/Cash Money
I've been reading and editing some of the articles that you created on No Limit rappers, for example Juvenile, Master P, Mystikal. Your edits seem to imply that Cash Money and No Limit are either the same thing and/or are somehow related. Is Cash Money a sub-corporation of No Limit? I was under the impression that they are two completely different and unrelated labels, with No Limit being Master P, Silk, Fiend, Mystikal, Lil' Romeo, and Cash Money being Juvenile, B.G., the Big Tymers (who created the label), Lil' Wayne, and the like.

Am I wrong or are you? In the meantime, I'm assuming that Master P has some sort of connection with all of them. I've updated the article on No Limit and include the Cash Money Millionaires in there as well. Any additional information would be appreciated.152.163.253.104 01:28, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Please return
I too got worried that you'd quit in the face of relentless irritation, but what a brilliant piece of resignation writing anyway! thanks for finding the Alan Stivell quote, hope you return refreshed, don't let the nerds and trolls grind you down, you are clearly( as many on this page state) doing excellent work !! Norwikian 14:15, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Welcome back
Did you enjoy you leave? Acegikmo1 21:35, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * It was not as fun as I was hoping, and I'm glad I'm back, but overall, it was a good time... Ready to wiki... Tuf-Kat

Welcome back, Tuffy! Great to see you again!

Welcome back! :) Angela. 02:18, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC)

Bot Request
I moved your Medal Count bot request to Bot requests. Kevin Rector 14:31, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC)

Music genres
Thank you for helping improve on the music genres color listing.

Andros 1337

Punk music in Terengganu
Hi, have you seen Punk music in Terengganu? Do you think this should be folded into Music of Malaysia? RickK 05:16, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)

Grindcore
Why removing grindcore local bands ? Aren't they grindcore bands ? Isn't the goal of an enclyclopedia to contain the whole knowledge of the world ? Does it make the article less readable ? How, if even the article about Grindcore does not mention it, am I supposed to find an article about an infamous grindcore band ?

BTW, i guess there should be an article List of grindcore bands. Ukuk 12:59, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * "In order to be mentioned in the Wikipedia, a band must be fairly notable. Local bands are only notable enough if they are extremely influential on the local scene".

 * Any page on wikipedia giving this rule ? Ukuk 18:03, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

D&D deities
''Deities of Dungeons & Dragons is mostly redudant with list of Forgotten Realms deities, but not entirely. D+D does not have deities -- it is a set of rules which can be played in various settings. Most of the gods you are combining are part of the Forgotten Realms setting, but some are not (I think). In any case, why not have a separate article for each? There's plenty of material, and combining them, even just the Forgotten Realms deities, will be way too long for a single article anyway. Tuf-Kat 04:58, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)''

 * I'm aware of list of Forgotten Realms deities. I'm not sure what the best way of combining the two is, but I am sure that the wrong way to handle this area is to create dozens of stub articles. Let's continue the discussion on Talk:Dieties of Dungeons & Dragons. -- Netoholic @ 05:03, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

WikiAwards
Hi there. Just to thank you for being the 2nd participant in the WikiAwards Project. Unfortunately the project is causing some controversy and I need to know if it is worth going on. I respect your neutrality but for now I really need to know if there's anybody in this world that supports my idea. I truly believe it is a great way of developing Wikipedia.--Gameiro Pais 05:36, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Template:MusicTimeline
Very welcome. I think it was the at the top that might have thrown off the layout. -- Netoholic @ 05:44, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Category name
Hi. I notice you added links to Category:American musicians on 18 August. I assume you hadn't noticed that Category:United States musicians had become the used category. I've changed them to the later category. Best wishes, -- Infrogmation 22:01, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Nice Job on the Jazz Ogg's
I've noticed your Ogg attack on a bunch of my watchlist. Checked out the samples. They sound great. Good choices too, for the most part. It must have taken a lot of work. Nicely done! -- SeanO 12:37, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)

Modulation
Greetings! I recategorized Modulation (music) to musical terminology instead of musical eras, where you'd put it... I'm guessing that was a slip of the mouse. (Was it?) Mindspillage 22:35, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Cats
Maybe you should slow down with the categorizations. See: Category talk:Musical terminology. Also, "Category:Musical movements" is not redundant with "Category:Musical eras". For examples: Minimalism is, arguably, a movement, but it is not arguably an Era, and the Classical Era was more than a movement. Hyacinth 20:47, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Image:MerleHaggard&WillieNelsonPancho&Lefty.jpg
--Diberri | Talk 18:03, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)

Music of Bangladesh
Don't worry about the 'dranking'. I'm in college right now, so I'm used to it. But you do deserve an explanation, and that's my fault for not being more open on the discussion page. Essentially, Bangladesh the nation formed in 1971 (West Bengal in 1947). It is therefore extremely strange and anachronistic to say that the Bauls or Rabindranath Tagore are part of a culture called 'Bangladeshi music.' In fact, it's wrong. In the same way, I couldn't say with a straight face that either of the two are part of a 'West Bengali' culture. Rather, we should place these on the Music of Bengal page (which I've made the destination page for any search on Bengali music). I mean, Kavi Nasrul Islam, who wrote most of his great work before the 40's had elapsed, is not really a Bangladeshi writer: he's a Bengali writer. Now it should also be added that he did move to Bangladesh post-partition (at that time East Pakistan). In fact, Islam never even lived in 'Bangladesh' (created 1971). So how much sense does it even make to call him Bangladeshi? Now, I would agree if you said that Music in Bangladesh may contain a discussion of what people in Bangladesh like listening to, how their history includes these people before the creation of the state and how it carried over. But as it stood, it was 'mis-informative.' --LordSuryaofShropshire 15:04, Sep 6, 2004 (UTC)

Mediation Committee application
Hi TUF-KAT, just a note to say that Grunt has applied to join the mediation committee. There is a vote at Mediation_Committee if you want to participate. Regards -- sannse (talk) 22:18, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Good work
Nice job on Music of France and Music of Germany. I've been looking at the articles "Music of European Country" for a while wondering how much detail belonged in the histories before, say, 1900 (my specialty, on Wikipedia anyway, is mostly stuff before about 1650). You fleshed 'em out well! Happy editing, Antandrus 04:35, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Anon edits of Singapore
I happened to notice this guy/girl (probably a guy) making all these edits and your reversal. I assumed vandalism, but when I looked at his/her edits, they didn't seem POV or wildly misrepresentative of a particular theme; certainly not all of them. Why are you reverting them?--LordSuryaofShropshire 06:43, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)

 * I had no idea about the Talk page history and User:Ran's efforts to discuss the edits. I just read the talk page and understand exactly what went down. You're absolutely right about supporting Ran. Thanks for thorough response.--LordSuryaofShropshire 15:55, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)

They're at it again! I've asked for help on WP:VIP. How do people respond to these situations? -- ran [[User talk:Ran|(talk)]] 20:31, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)

List of albums
Do you know what's happening with List of albums? You put a do not edit notice on it in March, and currently it is content free. Deletion candidate? --Tagishsimon

 * Ah no, I'm just being very slow on the uptake. I found it from Offline reports/This is one of the shortest articles, but evidently had my stupid head on. Now all is clear. No deletion threat from me. Thanks --Tagishsimon

Music of Canada
Thanks! I was reading over it last night and realized that it was overly simplified and not altogether accurate (Loreena McKennitt as a representative of Maritime music?!?), so I decided to flesh it out some more. Helps that I've been working on a lot of music-related articles lately, so I've been reminded of a lot of trends and bands and other such stuff I'd forgotten about. Bearcat 20:20, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Harmonious editing club
Hello, user former known as ...,

A (possibly familiar) troll is categorizing a bunch of stuff as including the Harmonious editing club.

I don't object to the categorization as such but want to be sure that the Club is still active enough to merit listing. I have created that may be more applicable if it is not.

Since I see you have been involved over at Harmonious lately, I thought I'd ask your opinion.

uc 19:19, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thresher music
Hi,

Over on the disambig Thresher, I removed your red-link to "Thresher music". No google hits, and it seemed to me doubtful that it's a real term because of the confusion that would occur with "thrash". If this removal was incorrect then please fix it. Tempshill 21:11, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

U.S. Southern Wikipedians' notice board
Hey! I've created this new notice board specifically for articles related to people from the U.S. South. If you are interested in contributing, leave a message on the page and add articles you feel need to be reviewed, contributed to, or started. Mike H 21:15, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the support. RickK 06:19, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)

Australian elections
Thanks for the note on the Australian noticeboard. However, the elections aren't two months away - they're six days away, which means there's not enough time to compile one for Australia. Ambi 01:25, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sesame Street
Sesame Street is up as a possible featured article. Would you mind putting your ideas in to the discussion, as you've worked on the article? See Featured_article_candidates. -- user:zanimum

URGENT: Opposition to "Sam Spade": See User:Spleeman/Sam Spade
See a critic's tracking of SamSpade's activities on Wikipedia at User:Spleeman/Sam Spade Vote "NO", or reverse your vote, even at this late hour. This is criticle (and critical) information! IZAK 09:58, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

See: User:Spleeman/Sam Spade:

 * From Sam's own user page: User:Sam_Spade/Theoretical_Biases
 * Removes references to groups such as the KKK as "right-wing"
 * Attempts to sugarcoat racist views
 * The claim the Geli Raubal was Hitler's mistress is just that, a claim.
 * Wants Hitler labeled as a socialist on the communism page (see Talk:Communism)
 * Insists on including his personal theories regarding a relationship between nazism and Chinese communism in nazism article:
 * User_talk:Andries
 * Talk:Nazism
 * From Talk:Socialism:
 * "I intend to do what I always have, which is insist that the Nazi's were socialist because... they were." (Sam Spade 00:32, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC))
 * Called another editor a "fascist" (Talk:Socialism). This is similar to his attempts to try to provoke me by implying that I was a nationalist, or not an anarchist:
 * "Enforcing american spelling is a sign of nationalism, and would therefore seem to suggest your not an anarchist? Or perhaps your a "anarcho-nationalist"? ;p" (Sam Spade 08:06, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC), User_talk:Spleeman)
 * "Censorship isn't very anarchist" (Sam Spade 23:25, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC), Talk:Anarchism/Archive10)
 * More on belief in non-racial eugenics: Why Sam is Right Wing (a list by User:Stopthebus18)
 * Stopthebus18: "People (including our country) have done horrible things in the name of eugenics." (StoptheBus18 16:02, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC))
 * Sam Spade: "Seems to work in Singapore. Bad things have been done in the name of all sorts of medicine, but we don't stop going to the doctor, do we?" (Sam Spade 17:21, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC))
 * Guess what everybody!!! "The attempt to paint them [the Nazis] as "reactionaries" is a propagandistic fraud." (Sam Spade 16:11, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC), Talk:Nazism) Wow! You learn something new everyday.... Not.
 * Hmm. For some reason, Sam doesn't want anybody to know that white-supremacist Wolfgang Droege was involved in drug trafficking.

My nomination for adminship
Thank you for supporting my nomination for adminship. I will do my best to serve Wikipedia. --Slowking Man 00:08, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)

Calypso Music
Hi. Just curious about your removal of the list of calypsonians on the page - granted it was an almost ridiculously uneven list, but I was just wondering if you moved it somewhere else, or if you simply deleted it. I think a list of calypsonians is useful - after all, I don't expect that we will get individual bios on most of them very soon. Thanks Guettarda 15:38, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. I have another question, not sure who to ask so I might as well ask you - on the Port-of-Spain page a user has posted what seems to be a cut & paste from 'Lonely Planet' and a picture of the town which has a watermark from Triniting.com. I enquired on their talk page about whether they had permission for the pic (can always fix the text, that's not a huge deal) and they have not replied. If they don't do anything, what next? Should I leave this to a sysadmin or what? Thanks Guettarda 17:35, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Category:Morris County, New Jersey

Articles and categories related to Morris County, New Jersey.

title: Category:Morris County, New Jersey


text: User:Ta bu shi da yu/navbox

title: User:Ta bu shi da yu/navbox


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BANZSL

British, Australian and New Zealand Sign Language (BANZSL) is the language of which British Sign Language (BSL), Auslan and New Zealand Sign Language (NZSL) may be considered dialects. These three languages may be considered dialects of a single language (BANZSL) due to their use of the same grammar and manual alphabet and the high degree of lexical overlap. The term BANZSL was coined by Trevor Johnston and Adam Schembri.

BSL, Auslan and NZSL all have their roots in a deaf sign language used in Britain during the 19th century.

American Sign Language and BANZSL are unrelated sign languages. However, there is still significant overlap in vocabulary, probably due largely to relatively recent borrowing of lexicon by signers of all three dialects of BANZSL, with many younger signers unaware which signs are recent imports.

Between Auslan, BSL and NZSL, 82% of signs are identical (per Swadesh lists). When considering identical as well as similar or related signs there are 98% cognate signs between the languages. By comparison, ASL and BANZSL have only 31% signs identical, or 44% cognate.

According to Henri Wittmann (1991), Swedish Sign Language also descends from BSL. From Swedish SL arose Portuguese Sign Language and Finnish Sign Language, the latter with local admixture; Danish Sign Language is largely mutually intelligible with Swedish SL, though Wittmann places it in the French Sign Language family.

Anderson (1979) instead suggested that Swedish Sign, German Sign and British Sign share one origin in a "North-West European" sign language.

Languages

 * BSL (sign attested from 1644 may not be BSL), with approximately 151,000 users
 * Australian SL (1860. ASL and ISL influences), with approximately 10 000 users
 * Papua New Guinea Sign Language (c. 1990), which is a creole formed with Auslan, used by 30,000 people
 * New Zealand SL (1800s), used by approximately 20,000 people
 * Northern Ireland SL (19th century - with American Sign Language and Irish Sign Language influences)
 * South African SL (somewhere between 1846 & 1881), used by perhaps 235,000 people
 * Maritime SL (c. 1860), with perhaps 100 extant users
 * ? Swedish Sign Language family (1800)
 * Swedish Sign Language (1800)
 * Finnish SL (1850s, with local admixture)
 * Finland-Swedish SL (1850s, a middle form between Finnish and Swedish SL)
 * Eritrean Sign (1955, with much local admixture)
 * Portuguese SL (1823)
 * Cape Verdian Sign (1990s, with local admixture)

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Against medical advice

Against medical advice (AMA), sometimes known as discharge against medical advice (DAMA), is a term used in health care institutions when a patient leaves a hospital against the advice of their doctor. While leaving before a medically specified endpoint may not promote the patient's health above their other values, there is widespread ethical and legal consensus that competent patients (or their authorized surrogates) are entitled to decline recommended treatment.

The available data suggests that in general, patients discharged AMA have an increased risk of hospital readmission, and potentially death. This data however, describes groups of patients discharged AMA, and therefore should not necessarily be applied to an individual patient wishing to leave AMA, and who may have different clinical circumstances and risks.

Although common hospital practice for an AMA discharge involves the patient being asked to sign a form stating that they are aware that they are leaving the facility AMA, the hospital is generally not legally required to use it. Rather, the legal and ethical requirement is that the authorized health care professional has an informed consent discussion with the patient regarding their choice to leave the hospital before it has been recommended. This discussion which includes disclosure of the risks, benefits, and alternatives to hospitalization, as well as the patient's understanding, should be documented in the patient's chart. Many physicians incorrectly believe that insurance denies payment for the hospitalization of patients leaving AMA, leaving such patients financially responsible. This "pervasive 'medical urban legend may lead to ethical problems, as it "scare[s] patients with misleading information" about their exposure to costs, leading to a "breakdown in the patient–doctor relationship" and an infringement of patient autonomy.

Authors across numerous disciplines have begun to question the wisdom of the practice of designating a discharge as AMA, as it doesn't follow professional standards, lacks evidence of its utility to improve patient care, and may harm patients by reducing their likelihood of following up. Finally, there is widespread ethical consensus that even when patients decline recommended treatment, health care professionals still have a duty to care for and support patients.

The limited research in this area has led to a stagnation in effective interventions designed to alleviate AMA discharges. Multiple retrospective studies examining AMA discharges over the last 4 decades have attempted to identify risk factors in order to develop interventions to reduce the likelihood of AMA discharges in the future. The majority of studies have identified patient risk factors for AMA discharges that included low socioeconomic status, history of a substance use disorder, and male sex. No studies have yet attempted to identify physician factors that increase the risk of an AMA discharge. More research is needed to understand this practice and intervene effectively in a patient-centered fashion.

Statistics
In the United States, the total number of stays discharged AMA increased 41 percent between 1997 and 2011. For adults ages 45–64 years, the percentage of AMA discharges increased from 27 percent in 1997 to 41 percent in 2011. By payer, the share of AMA discharges increased from 25 percent to 29 percent for Medicare and decreased from 21 percent to 16 percent for private insurance.

title: Against medical advice