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1970 in Ireland

Events in the year 1970 in Ireland.

Incumbents

 * President: Éamon de Valera
 * Taoiseach: Jack Lynch (FF)
 * Tánaiste: Erskine H. Childers (FF)
 * Minister for Finance:
 * Charles Haughey (FF) (until 7 May 1970)
 * George Colley (FF) (from 9 May 1970)
 * Chief Justice: Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh
 * Dáil: 19th
 * Seanad: 12th

January

 * 10 January
 * Huge anti-apartheid demonstrations took place as Ireland played South Africa in rugby union.
 * President Éamon de Valera and his wife Sinéad celebrated their 60th wedding anniversary.
 * 11 January – The Sinn Féin party split into Provisional and Official wings over a disagreement on abstentionism.

February

 * February – A rock from the surface of the Moon, brought to Earth by the crew of the Apollo 11 mission, was displayed to the public at the United States embassy in Ballsbridge.

March

 * 29 March – Irish language pirate radio station Saor Raidió Chonamara began broadcasting.

April

 * 3 April – Garda (policeman) Richard Fallon was murdered on duty in Dublin, the first policeman killed in the Republic of Ireland during The Troubles.
 * 10 April – The United States Ambassador John Moore visited President De Valera at his home in Áras an Uachtaráin to present him with an Irish flag flown on the Apollo 11 moon landing mission, and a fragment from the lunar surface, as a gift to the people of Ireland from US President Richard Nixon.
 * 16 April – Ian Paisley won a by-election to the House of Commons of Northern Ireland.
 * 21 April – The Alliance Party was founded in Northern Ireland.
 * 22 April – Taoiseach Jack Lynch presented a budget in the absence of the Minister for Finance, Charles Haughey, who was injured in a riding accident.

May

 * 4 May – The Minister for Justice, Mícheál Ó Móráin, resigned from the government citing ill-health. The Taoiseach stated in the Dáil (parliament) on 7 May, "I wish to state that Deputy Ó Moráin's condition is not unassociated with the shock he suffered as a result of the killing of Garda Fallon".
 * 6 May – Arms Crisis: The Minister for Finance, Charles Haughey, and the Minister for Agriculture, Neil Blaney, were asked to resign by the Taoiseach. He accused them of an attempted illegal importation of arms for use by the Provisional IRA. Kevin Boland, the Minister for Local Government, resigned in sympathy with them.
 * 27 May – Captain James Kelly, Albert Luykx, and John Kelly were arrested and charged with conspiracy to import arms.
 * 28 May – Charles Haughey and Neil Blaney appeared in the Bridewell Court in Dublin charged, along with Albert Luykx and Captain James Kelly, with conspiracy to import arms.
 * 31 May – The racehorse Arkle was put down at the home of his owner, Anne, Duchess of Westminster.

June

 * 4 June – Kevin Boland was expelled from the Fianna Fáil parliamentary party.
 * 25 June – Bishops meeting at Maynooth lifted the ban on Catholic people attending Trinity College Dublin.

July

 * 2 July – Neil Blaney was cleared of arms conspiracy charges.
 * 5 July – After a special cabinet meeting the government demanded a ban on all parades in Northern Ireland and the disarming of civilians.

August

 * 2 August – The British Army fired rubber bullets in Belfast for the first time.
 * 9 August – The Galway-Aran Islands air service was launched. A return air-fare cost £5.
 * 21 August – The Social Democratic and Labour Party was founded in Northern Ireland under the leadership of Gerry Fitt.

September

 * 1 September – The New University of Ulster was presented with a Royal Charter by Elizabeth II.

October

 * 3 October – United States President Richard Nixon and his wife Pat were greeted by Taoiseach Jack Lynch on their arrival in Ireland. In Dublin, an anti-Vietnam War protest took place.
 * 4 October – Pat Nixon visited relatives and her ancestral home in County Mayo. Another protest took place outside the United States embassy in Dublin.
 * 14 October – Astronauts Jim Lovell, Jack Swigert, and Fred Haise, survivors of the aborted Apollo 13 spaceflight to the moon, landed at Dublin Airport as part of a European tour with wives Marilyn Lovell and Mary Haise (Swigert was unmarried). They were received at Áras an Uachtaráin by President Éamon de Valera on his 88th birthday.
 * 23 October – Charles Haughey, James Kelly, Albert Luykx, and John Kelly were acquitted in the Arms Conspiracy Trial.
 * 26 October – The Taoiseach was questioned on his return from the United States, and said that there will be no change in fundamental Fianna Fáil party policy regarding Northern Ireland.

December

 * 15 December – Aer Lingus took delivery of its first Boeing 747 Jumbo Jet, the largest aircraft it ever operated. The plane was stored temporarily in Everett in Washington State, USA until it arrived for service in Ireland the following March.

Unknown dates

 * The first Regional Technical Colleges opened, at Carlow, Athlone, Dundalk, Sligo, and Waterford.
 * A Magnesite processing plant opened in Ballinacourty in County Waterford.

Arts and literature

 * 1 March – The national song contest was held.
 * 21 March – "All Kinds of Everything" sung by Dana won the Eurovision Song Contest for Ireland for the first time.
 * 1–3 May – The first Oireachtas Rince na Cruinne was held in Dublin.
 * 9 November – David Lean's film, Ryan's Daughter, was released. It was filmed largely in Ireland.
 * John Banville's short story collection Long Lankin was published.
 * Leland Bardwell's first poetry collection The Mad Cyclist was published.
 * Christy Brown's autobiographical Down All the Days was published.
 * J. G. Farrell's novel Troubles, set during the Irish War of Independence, was published.
 * Brian Moore's novel Fergus was published.
 * Máirtín Ó Cadhain's first short story collection An tSraith dhá Tógáil was published.
 * The Royal Hibernian Academy moved to new premises in Ely Place, Dublin.
 * The crossover band Clannad was formed in Gaoth Dobhair, County Donegal.

Horse racing

 * The horse Nijinsky won the Irish Derby

Football

 * League of Ireland
 * Winners: Waterford

 * FAI Cup
 * Winners: Bohemian F.C. 0–0, 0–0, 2–1 Sligo Rovers F.C.

Gaelic Athletic Association

 * All-Ireland Senior Football Championship
 * Winners: Kerry 2–19 v 0–18 Meath (played at Croke Park, Dublin)

 * All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship
 * Winners: Cork 6–21 v 5–10 Wexford (played at Croke Park, Dublin)

(This was the first 80 minute All-Ireland Hurling Final)

Births

 * 1 January – Rónán Ó Snodaigh, singer and bodhrán player with Kíla.
 * 16 January – Ciarán Carey, Limerick hurler.
 * 2 March – Edward Moore, cricketer (died 2021).
 * 24 March – Sharon Corr, violinist with The Corrs.
 * 27 March – Eleanor Maguire, neuropsychologist.
 * 21 April – Glen Hansard, actor and vocalist-guitarist with The Frames.
 * 10 May – Mick Fitzgerald, National Hunt jockey].
 * 27 May – Glenn Quinn, actor (died 2002).
 * 29 May – Mary Kingston, television presenter.
 * 3 June – Stephen Geoghegan, association football player.
 * 6 July – Tony O'Dowd, association football player.
 * 13 July – Sharon Horgan, actress and screenwriter (in London).
 * 17 July – Siobhán Hoey, triple jumper.
 * 24 July – Julia Bradbury, television presenter.
 * 31 July – Johnny Pilkington, Offaly hurler.
 * 27 August – Jeff Kenna, association football player.
 * 18 September – Vinny Arkins, association football player.
 * 21 September – Samantha Power, journalist, academic and United States government official (in London).
 * 13 October – Rónán Mullen, journalist and senator.
 * 11 November – D. J. Carey, Kilkenny hurler.
 * 12 November – Bláthnaid Ní Chofaigh, television presenter.
 * 3 December – Brendan Kehoe, software developer and author.
 * 17 December – Craig Doyle, television presenter.

 * Full date unknown
 * Aidan McArdle, actor.
 * John Moore, film director, producer and writer.
 * Mark O'Rowe, playwright.
 * David Quinn, painter.
 * Ruth Turner, Director of Government Relations within Tony Blair's Downing Street office.
 * David Wheatley, poet and critic.

Deaths

 * 5 January – Cyril Fagan, astrologer (born 1896).
 * 6 January – Peter J. Ward, Sinn Féin party (later Cumann na nGaedheal party) Teachta Dála (TD), member First Dáil (born 1891).
 * 6 January – David P. Tyndall, businessman (born 1890).
 * 28 January – Gerard Sweetman, former Fine Gael party TD and Cabinet minister (born 1908).
 * 8 February – Cahir Healy, Nationalist Party member of parliament (MP) (born 1877).
 * 11 March – Patrick Lenihan, Fianna Fáil TD (born 1902).
 * 21 April – Enid Starkie, literary critic and biographer (born 1897).
 * 27 April – Arthur Shields, actor (born 1896).
 * 11 July – Bobby Kirk, ice hockey player (born 1910).
 * 12 August – Joseph Blowick second leader of Clann na Talmhan party, TD and Cabinet minister (born 1903).
 * 14 August – Tommy Henderson, Ulster independent Unionist politician (born 1877).
 * 20 September – Leo Rowsome, teacher, player and maker of uilleann pipes (born 1903).
 * 25 September – James Ryan, Fianna Fáil TD, member of First Dáil and Cabinet minister (born 1891).
 * 29 September – Mark Killilea Snr, Fianna Fáil TD, senator (born 1897).
 * 15 October – Liam Ó Buachalla, Cathaoirleach (chairperson) of Seanad Éireann (Senate) 1951–1954 and 1957–1969 (born 1899).
 * 18 October – Máirtín Ó Cadhain, Irish language writer (born 1906).
 * 24 December – Tom Farquharson, association football player (born 1900).

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Talk:British American Racing

Demise of BAR
BAR is no more. It has ceased to be. It 'as shuffled off this mortal coil. Someone is adding 2006 Honda details to this article on BAR. This years results etc should be on the Honda F1 page. Please don't revert the changes I've just made without a discussion here. 4u1e 20:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, BAR only two pole positions (San Marino '04 and Canada '05), not 3 as stated. Jenson Button has 3 poles but his third was achieved in a Honda. Thunderous503 14:35, 22 August 2006
 * In particular, BAR never won a race, end of story. Honda took over the team and won their first race since the 1960s in 2006, but this should be (and is) covered in the Honda F1 article.

 * Agree - if we had one article for BAR and Honda, Toleman/Benetton/Renault would have to be merged to maintain consistency - seperation is appropriate. Adrian M. H. 19:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Jenson Button Photo
The photo of Jenson button is titled "Jenson Button driving for British American Racing at Indianapolis in the 2005 United States Grand Prix" yet no cars other than Ferrari, Minardi, and Jordan participated in that GP. I'm not sure where the picture is from, but it probably should be 2004 or labeled 2005 qualifying. --152.121.16.49 16:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * "Grand Prix" often refers to the hour or two on a Sunday when the cars actually race. However "Grand Prix" can also refer to the Grand Prix weekend. In this case the weekend in question was 17-19 June (with the race on the 19th). The picture is from either a free practice session or qualifying (i.e on the 17th or 18th). Also the 2004 livery was quite different from this image. Having said that changing it to "2005 qualifying" would be more precise. Mark83 10:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Speed Record Attempt
I have undone the last alterations. The explanation is below.

The last alterations made to the Speed Record Attempt section were not meant to inform. They are clearly an opinion of a CART fan who changed the text to praise CART and bash F1. The speed record attempt was to break the 400km/h barrier with a F1 car according to 2005 F1 regulations, so no comparison to past CART cars is useful to the reader of the article. You can compare how slow CART cars are compared to rocket-powered cars as well, but that has nothing to do with BAR and its speed record attempt, the same is applied to the comparison between CART and F1 cars. Tilinelson2 (talk) 17:26, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

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Josef Wagner (composer)

Josef Franz Wagner (20 March 1856 – 5 June 1908) was an Austrian military bandmaster and composer. He is sometimes referred to as "The Austrian March King".

He was born in Vienna on 20 March 1856, at that time the capital of the empire of Austria-Hungary. He studied with Johann Emmerich Hasel and, in 1874, he joined the band of Austrian Infantry Regiment No. 23 led by Philip Fahrbach jnr.

As military bandmaster he served in 1878–91 with Infantry Regiment 47 in Trento in Tyrol, Vienna, and Marburg (Maribor) and Graz in Styria. Then in 1891-1899 with the Infantry Regiment 49 in Krems near Vienna, Mostar in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Brno in Moravia. During its stays in Krems and Brno, his military band often travelled to Vienna to give concerts and, in 1900, he set-up his own band there.

Wagner composed approximately 500 works, mainly dance music and marches. He is best known for his 1893 march "Unter dem Doppeladler" (Op. 159) or "Under the Double Eagle", referring to the double eagle in the coat of arms of Austria-Hungary. The march became a favourite part of the repertoire of American composer and bandleader John Philip Sousa, whose band recorded it three times. The piece was the official regimental march of Austrian Artillery Regiment Number 2 until its dissolution in 2007.

Wagner is also known for the march "Tiroler Holzhackerbuab'n" (Op. 356), or "Tyrolean Lumberjacks". In 1895, his only opera, Der Herzbub, premiered in Vienna. Also popular are his Gigerl March (op. 150) and 47th Regimental March (op. 180).

He died in Vienna on 5 June 1908.

 * Tiroler Holzhackerbuab'n
 * Tiroler Holzhackerbuab'n

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Talk:Ron Dennis

Personal Life
Shouldn't there be a bit about his personal life too?

Does anyone have a source for Frank Williams' accident being a factor in Honda adding support to McLaren, considering that the crash was over a year before the deal was done?

MartinUK 18:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

This has been stated by Sir Frank himself in interviews. When I have another free afternoon I will try to get a reference for you. Peter Graham White (talk) 16:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

If there is no citation found about him being a "Committed Christian", I would request it be taken down. I've never heard of this or seen any information on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.100.183 (talk) 12:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, i don't know much about Wikipedia changes, so i don't want to mess up anyone page. However, I watched an interview of Ron Dennis yesterday, that was very informative and concise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh2iQSU9DJE He discusses many aspects of his life and career,  including his car accident that nearly claimed his life which could be included on this page. I just thought the people that look after this page would be interested in this to help them expand this article. Cheers. Oz Juice24 (talk) 06:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Disputed section
The section that seems to be a matter of some dispute currently reads: "The FIA World Motor Sport Council stripped the team of their 2007 constructors' points and handed out a US$100 million fine. While the Ferrari management rejoiced at the verdict, many Formula One insiders felt that the evidence that had convicted McLaren was never adequately proven. Similarly, Dennis was vindicated personally; indeed, so keen was he to cooperate with the investigation and protect his own and McLaren's fundamental reputation for integrity, that he personally informed the FIA of new evidence which was ultimately used to convict the team."

Most of this seems pretty POV (and is all unsourced). Ithink that everything after the first sentence on the fine should be stripped out. Narson (talk) 23:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * My edits were reversions of unsourced material - plain and simple, per WP:BIO and WP:V. Of course your right though that this too needs to go for being unsourced and also selective choice of events to mention. Mark83 (talk) 23:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I wasn't commenting on your edits Mark, sorry if it seemed that way. I agree extra unsourced additions are unhelpful. I just didn't fancy making a bold edit when there have already been reverts. Narson (talk) 23:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No no, I realise you weren't commeting on my edits - I didn't write the section you raise above. I was just explaining that I don't have any "axe to grind" as Peter Graham White put it. i.e. - I fully agree with pro-Dennis unsourced statements being removed in contrast to his belief that I only have an interest in removing anti-Dennis statements.
 * And just for the record to anyone who reads his edit summary, and as I stated on his talk page "it is against the fundamental Wikipedia principle of assume good faith. ...[I have] no personal, academic or commercial relationship with McLaren Group, Mercedes-Benz or any other related companies -- including employees (Dennis or other)." Anyone who knows my record on Wikipedia, rather than a drive-by judgement and personal attack, knows that I don't edit from a POV position - on this article or any other. Mark83 (talk) 23:48, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

For the record I have unconditionally apologised to Mark83 about this matter. My own feeling is that the robust defense of Dennis's integrity should remain, but that it should be made clear that he himself has advanced this view. I have slightly altered the wording to reflect this while adding the contrary position of the FIA president. Complete with what I hope are adequate citations this time. I did it this way because it would seem to me that the first part of the paragraph would make no sense as a statement of fact (without citations) if it were to be followed with a properly referenced contrary argument. This is a controversy which is and will remain part of Dennis's life. As such it would seem appropriate to include the matter in the biography. Peter Graham White (talk) 16:41, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Request for Comments
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 07:03, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

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Ronspeak
Ronspeak wasn’t a thing until someone tried to make it a thing by adding it to Ron Dennis’s Wikipedia article. It’s not encyclopedic and certainly does not deserve a whole section. I understand that it is referenced but that doesn’t make it worthy or inclusion.

Dennis has done a lot of good work for charity yet it seems that it’s barely worth a mention.

Eddie Jordan is know as a village idiot but there is no mention of it in Wikipedia, Max Mosley was widely know as Mad Max but again no mention of it in his Wikipedia entry.

I’m happy to hear other people thoughts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.103.144.17 (talk) 08:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You seem to fundamentally misunderstand how Wikipedia works. Ronspeak certainly is a thing, as you've conceded yourself it is covered in reliable secondary sources (besides those in the article, it's also been covered by Sky Sports). Thus, it is presumed notable since it has received coverage and is therefore worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedic article. If you believe that Dennis's charity work deserves a larger section, feel free to expand it using reliable secondary sources. As for others, what goes on in those articles has no bearing on what goes on here. If you find sources that cover character traits of Jordan or Mosley, than they can also be discussed. You've called this section "slurs" and "insults" without taking into account that the entire second paragraph (which is larger than the first) is a defence of Ronspeak. On the whole, Wikipedia's coverage of Ronspeak at the moment is quite balanced and certainly not unencyclopedic. 5225C (talk • contributions) 08:46, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I understand how Wikipedia works, there is no misunderstanding on my part. This section has been here for years but it shouldn't be here, its unbalance and not notable and it needs to be removed. I said nothing about reliable references, I simply said it was referenced. In my opinion it is badly referenced. Any additional references that you may find to support this inclusion are almost certainly circular and postdate the inclusion into wikipedia. Someone a long time ago has attempted to conjure something into being by editing this Wikipedia article but that doesn't mean it should remain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.103.144.17 (talk) 09:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm going to ignore the IPs attacks on Jordan and Mosley. But, he does have a point when he says that something being referenced doesn't automatically mean it warrants an inclusion. Otherwise Wikipedia articles would be full of gossip and fringe opinion. I can't access the source cited here on Wiki, but looking at the content on Ron Dennis and based on the sources I found when googling "ron speak", Ronspeak looks like a term coined simply to tease Dennis and whilst there are some sources that call it Ronspeak, this manner of speaking is not unique to Dennis, nor is it refered to as Ronspeak outside of the F1 community. Therefore, I feel that, in its current form, it falls under WP:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. I would suggest changing the opeming paragrapgh of this section to:
 * "Dennis is renowned for his excessively verbose, evasive and cautious answers to tough questions from Formula One journalists. It started about 1980, when sponsorship started to play a more prominent role in the sport. This style of speaking has been dubbed as "Ronspeak" within the F1 community and the term is further used to describe sentences of unneeded complexity."
 * I would then suggest changing the heading to something such as "Communication style". This, I feel, would mean the section no longer falls fowl of WP:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. SSSB (talk) 10:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that is a good solution. Thank you for your suggestion. Would you make the alteration? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.103.144.17 (talk • contribs)
 * The section does need a few tweaks, but the anon editor is way off in claiming the term is defamatory. It's also wrong to say it's unbalanced. As 5225C points out, there are complimentary elements in the section. I'll rework it. In the meantime, some more references to negate the fiction that the term was dreamt up by a Wikipedia editor:
 * He is notorious within F1 circles for his use of tortuous jargon, known as “Ronspeak”, which leans heavily on use of the word “optimise’. James Allen. (September 21, 2016 Wednesday). Ron Dennis: McLaren’s man behind the wheel. FT.com.
 * "He is a straight but considered talker, only occasionally lapsing into the management jargon dubbed "Ronspeak" in racing circles." IMON DUKE. (January 18, 2015 Sunday). Winning Formula One was simple: now I'm revving up for a tech race; Ron Dennis secured 17 F1 titles for McLaren. Now he has an even bigger ambition - to take its expertise out of the pits and into FTSE 100 boardrooms. The Sunday Times (London).
 * "the phrase 'Ronspeak' describes the business-oriented way in which he speaks during interviews." NICK TOWNSEND. (July 31, 2005, Sunday). Independent on Sunday (London).
 * "We have not heard much from the great supremo since his return, which, given his habit of using 10 words where one will do - affectionately known as Ronspeak - is perhaps no bad thing. The appropriate forum, as he might say, to lay bare his thinking will present itself soon enough." KEVIN GARSIDE. (January 25, 2014). Return of Dennis gives Button a timely boost; Formula One British driver considered options but is looking forward to revitalised McLaren. The Independent (London).
 * This is a side of Dennis, a shy man whose efforts not to say the wrong thing to journalists occasionally lead him to use a sentence structure so convoluted, and consequently opaque, it has been christened "Ronspeak", that the average Formula One supporter simply never sees. Richard Rae. (March 2, 2008). Driven to the end. The Sunday Times (London).
 * "McLaren chief Ron Dennis is renowned for giving excessively businesslike and cautious answers to tough questions. Try these for starters: "Nobody came out of Indianapolis with anything positive and perpetuating the negatives was clearly not constructive to Formula One." Or: "Our computer simulation said a second and third was possible, based on our Friday dry running. The race win was never at any stage predicted by our system." Or: "But from our perspective, and we are not hiding from our inadequacies, it is statistically not borne out that we have huge reliability problems because if that was the case we would not have won 10 races." Dennis's style of speech is so legendary within the pit lane it has even been given its own name "Ronspeak". (June 15, 2007 Friday). Nobody can wheel and deal better than this Ron Manager. The Evening Standard (London).
 * "With a reputation for being controlling, Dennis likes to joke that, though his wife calls him an obsessive compulsive, he just has an eye for detail. Motor-racing commentators identify this as over-analysis, and have credited him with the invention of "Ronspeak". He has been mocked for talking "like a Dalek" and making overly complex statements" Viv Groskop. (May 3, 2007 Thursday). g2: Arts: Visual art: Is British art being driven in the right direction?: The Arts Council is lending works by some of the nation's greatest artists to the McLaren formula one team. Viv Groskop reports. The Guardian.
 * "Dennis is a stickler for smart dress, self-discipline and courtesy. A former mechanic for the Brabham team, he perhaps over-compensates for his humble roots in the sport by a love of corporate language and technical terminology affectionately termed Ronspeak. But there was no doubting his sincerity last weekend in the paddock at Silverstone, when he came close to tears in defence wof his team and the values it espouses." Andrew Baker. (July 14, 2007 Saturday). MOTORSPORT McLaren's image on the line. The Daily Telegraph
 * Mark83 (talk) 11:35, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * As I said on your talk page, I welcome your thoughts. I think many of the (older) references that you mention are worthy of inclusion. I am concerned that some of the newer references are simply including what they find in this wikipedia article. I really don't think it warrants more that a short sentence and I certainly don't think it deserve a whole section dedicated to it. I have no idea if Ron Dennis thinks it is affectionate or not, personally I wouldn't like it. I think it is defamatory (it is damaging the good reputation of someone) and unbalanced in the context of everything that Ron Dennis has achieved and done. Thank you to everyone who has address my concerns. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.103.144.17 (talk) 12:08, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Haven't read anything here except the start of the opening statement, so apologies if anything I add now is redundant. But with regard to "Ronspeak wasn’t a thing until someone tried to make it a thing by adding it to Ron Dennis’s Wikipedia article" – that is absolute rubbish. Ronspeak was very much a thing in the Mika Hakkinen era at McLaren, actually the Senna era too. Dennis wouldn't just talk up his car and drivers through Ronspeak, he'd tackle F1 rule makers, scrutineers and competitors with it too. The phrase was used in the media, and journalists like Nigel Roebuck would offer translations when things got overly Ronspeaky. JG66 (talk) 12:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * My opinion is absolute rubbish? I find that a bit insulting. It's my opinion, you may disagree with it and I might be wrong. I would appreciate it if you read the rest of my comments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.103.144.17 (talk) 18 August 2021 12:28 (UTC)
 * IP while we have a policy of WP:civility here and don't allow personal attacks, JG66's comment seems fine. Opinions are one things although you should only be sharing opinions relating to improving Wikipedia. But if you're going to make factual claims, like "Ronspeak wasn’t a thing until someone tried to make it a thing by adding it to Ron Dennis’s Wikipedia article", then you should expect to be challenged robustly if your claims are not supported by the sources. If you find it insulting to have your unsupported claims challenged robustly, then I don't think we can help you much here. Nil Einne (talk) 12:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * (Intended to edit my comment but given the post below will add this as a follow up.) JG66 did not in any way comment on you personally, all they did was bluntly say your comment was wrong. I personally have no idea who is right, since although I did used to follow formula 1 including before Wikipedia, I never paid that much attention to anything beyond the qualifying, races and post each press conferences. However if their statements are true, then your statement does seem inaccurate, or bluntly, wrong. Note that even though we may not have invented or had a significantly role in propagating "Ronspeaks", it could still be WP:UNDUE for us to go into too much detail depending on the level of coverage. In other words, there may still be merit to discuss our coverage on the issue. However it always helps if editors are careful not to make inaccurate claims which confuse the discussion since these can mislead other editors less familiar with the situation, and also lead to asides like this over the accuracy of the comments. Nil Einne (talk) 13:05, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I am trying to improve wikipedia, that is all I am interested in. I would be very surprised if any 'traditional' encyclopaedia has a section on 'Ronspeak' in it which is why in my opinion it is not worthy of inclusion in wikipedia. Secondly I am suggesting that references which are dated after it was included in wikipedia are not reliable because they could well have been influenced by what is here in wikipedia (I suspect but I have no reference for my claim). I have to confess I didn't expect any challenge at all, I am completely baffled by the emotional response that I have provoked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.103.144.17 (talk) 13:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I believe JG66 was attacking your assertion that "Ronspeak wasn’t a thing until someone tried to make it a thing by adding it to Ron Dennis’s Wikipedia article" which is demonstrably false, rather than your opinions regarding the section as a whole. Both sources originally in the article were from 2007, and as shown above the term has been used since at least as early as July 2005. A quick check of the article history will show that there was no mention of Ronspeak until July 2006, nearly a year later. It's impossible for it to have been an invention of Wikipedia. The term has been consistently used by the media over an extended period of time and a Google search turns up many community sources (e.g. Reddit and forum archives) that discuss Ronspeak. It's not an invention and it has clearly received sustained and deliberate coverage. It might not be exclusive to Dennis, but sources have found it an important enough piece of his character to explicitly discuss it and give it its own name. Therefore I do not see how an argument can be advanced against its inclusion. I am satisfied with the section as it stands now. 5225C (talk • contributions) 13:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * (Sorry I have conflicted with an edit). Nobody outside a very small circle of people within F1 would have any idea that some people referred to Ron Dennis's mode of speech as Ronspeak until it was added to his wikipedia article. As I said above (which has been rejected as an invalid argument), I know Max Mosley was referred to as Mad Max, I can find multiple published references and yet I wouldn't for a moment suggest that wikipedia adds a section for it or even references it in the entry on him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.103.144.17 (talk • contribs)
 * Here's the key difference - my search results above are from reliable sources such as The Sunday Times, The Independent and The Guardian discussing a trait in Dennis' management and leadership style. When I did a news search for "Mad Max" Mosley, the results were largely from The Daily Star, The Daily Mail, The Daily Mirror, The News of the World and The Sun - not reliable sources. Mark83 (talk) 13:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I find https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/mad-max-s-fury-puts-f1-on-knife-edge-1722315.html, https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/crown-prince-of-bahrain-bars-max-mosley-over-nazi-prostitute-claim-mbhlvckhrfb and https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/961330321160654848 (Formula 1's own tech correspondent) But that's not really my point. My point is these sorts of things are not note worthy in an encyclopaedia. As an aside (although I do not necessarily disagree with you) who is to say that The Daily Star, The Daily Mail, The Daily Mirror, The News of the World and The Sun a not reliable sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.103.144.17 (talk) 14:12, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Deprecated sources Mark83 (talk) 14:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, interestingly the Mirror is not deprecated. So hypothetically (given that it can be referenced with reliable sources) would you support the inclusion of a section called Mad Max on the Max Mosley article? Would you support a couple of paragraphs being woven into the body of the article on Max Mosley about his Mad Max nickname? I personally would oppose it much in the same way that I oppose the inclusion of Ronspeak in this entry on Ron Dennis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.103.144.17 (talk) 15:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I haven’t read what the term “Mad Max” is about, so I could not comment. We’re discussing the inclusion of text in this article, for which there are reliable sources. I think I have made my views clear and don’t wish to spend time restating them. I don’t want to be dismissive but we’re going round in circles here. Mark83 (talk) 16:03, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * "inclusion of text in this article, for which there are reliable sources" This simply isn't true, there is a single reference to a magazine article that nobody has produced for inspection, we have no idea if it is quoted correctly or reliable. Would you (or anyone else on wikipedia) permit me to make changes to the entry to improve it or is every edit I make going to be reverted? I don't want to waste my time on something if my contribution is not welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.103.144.17 (talk) 16:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If you want, I can replace it with a source from Skysports, Autosport or several other reliable websites. SSSB (talk) 22:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I accept the current reference (I understand that wikipedia does not place a greater weight on online references) but it would be better if an additional online reference could be found. However I strongly believe that any such reference should predate when the reference to ronspeak was added to this entry (most later references are simply rehashing this wikipedia entry). I still feel that in it current form it is given undue weight. At the end of the day it is just a lazy insult. I am frustrated that the owners of this entry refuse to comprise (apart from the section heading) or accept any of my points. I am told I will be banned if I attempt to make any further changes myself. I just do not understand why it is so important to keep this insulting text in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.177.54.56 (talk) 12:27, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

You bemoan the fact that no one is accepting your points or explain why the text should remain. Despite the fact that multiple editors have patiently explained why they disagree and why the text should remain! Mark83 (talk) 12:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

You also keep insisting that this section is some sort of insult when the second paragraph, the longest part of the section, is not only a defence of Dennis's style but praise of it. Please explain how and why this is an insult. [I]t has clearly received sustained and deliberate coverage [...] sources have found it an important enough piece of his character to explicitly discuss it and give it its own name. In the interests of a comprehensive article it should remain. As is. 5225C (talk • contributions) 13:19, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I see no indication that Ron Dennis sees is as a tribute or a compliment. As an other editor has pointed out that, it seems to be used as a way of teasing Ron Dennis, I agree. Montoya was teased for being fat, you can find references on the BBC and yet it's not included in his wikipedia entry, tell me why not? Would you support an inclusion into the Montoya article about his waistline?
 * This is not a comprehensive article would you support and permit me to add well sourced information to it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.177.54.56 (talk) 15:03, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Please sign your posts with ~
 * I have added more references and tweaked the language. To address your point above "no indication that Ron Dennis sees is as a tribute or a compliment".  That's irrelevant.  Donald Trump's article says a lot of things that he wouldn't like, but they're verifiable and relevant to a full description of the man. Mark83 (talk) 15:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Mark83 I appreciate it that you have added sources to the section. I think the section is better for them. I concede that my concerns are being addressed. I'd like to move on now and focus on what can be done to improve the article (maybe even get it recognised as a good article) 89.177.54.56 (talk) 15:13, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I really appreciate this, thank you. The section was under-referenced and is better for your raising of concerns and engaging in debate.  And my review of sources also indentified an error - the F1 Racing article was 2006 not 2007. An honest mistake, but bad when it was the only source we had and for such a long time.  Mark83 (talk) 15:17, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Lisa Dennis (spouse)
In the right hand column (below photo) in the list of information, under Spouse it states "died 2008" I think this should be divorced 2008. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.151.243 (talk) 23:33, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing out the error. DH85868993 (talk) 11:45, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

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Seal, Kent

Seal is a village and civil parish in the Sevenoaks district of Kent, England. The parish is located in the valley between the North Downs and the Greensand ridge, and to the north-east of the town of Sevenoaks in West Kent.

History
In early documents the name of the village is often given as 'Sele', 'Sale', 'Zela' or 'La Sela'. Until recently it was thought to come from the French word 'salle' meaning a hall but there is no evidence to support this. Etymologists suggest that the name of the village could have come from the Anglo-Saxon word 'sole' or 'sol' meaning a 'muddy slough, wallowing place' or a 'muddy pond that overflows'. Seal still has a pond at the fork at the bottom of Park Lane which tends to overflow at the present day. Another possibility is Anglo-Saxon sēale = "group of sallow trees".

Seal's church, the oldest parts of which date from the 13th Century, is dedicated to St Peter and St Paul and is a grade I listed building. The ecclesiastical parish only became separate from Kemsing in 1874, although there may well have been a Saxon church on the site of the present building. Visitors to the church, which is normally open during the day, can pick up a free guide leaflet pointing out features of interest. There are more details on the church website, and a page for family historians with some records of burials and baptisms at the church (not complete) and information about where to find others.

Today, the ecclesiastical parish boundary meanders north of the village along the Guzzlebrook stream and extends south through the village, bounded on the eastern side by Watery Lane, Seal Chart, and Ash Platt Road to the west. It follows the course of Park Lane, Chance Wood, Grove Road, through Godden Green, bounded at the south by the junction of Bitchet Green Road at Fawke Common.

Seal was recorded in the Domesday Book in 1086.

Geography
The main village lies on the A25 road and has merged with the built-up area of Sevenoaks.

The parish includes the separate smaller settlements of Underriver, Stone Street, Godden Green and Bitchet Green.

Village facilities
Seal retains a village library which is operated by Kent County Council; the library offers telecottage services.

There are three community halls in the village; Seal Pavilion, Seal Village Hall, and Seal Church Hall.

Along the High Street there are a variety of shops, businesses, and restaurants.

There is only one pub now in Seal. "The Five Bells" in Church Street is managed by Shepherd Neame Brewery and is open every day. The name for the pub comes from the fact that there were originally five bells installed in the belltower at St Peter & St Paul's Church, given its close proximity to the church (there are now six bells installed in the belltower).

Seal Recreation Ground (locally known as the Rec) lies to the west of the village and offers public amenity space for sports and leisure activities. During the summer months various events are held on the Rec, such as the SealFest Music Festival day and Big Lunch events.

Seal Village has a stretch of land running alongside the Rec which was left in trust to the villagers for allotment gardens that are also used by surrounding villagers.

Public transport
There are several bus routes that connect Seal with surrounding villages and towns. The Arriva 308 bus connects the village with Sevenoaks station, Bat & Ball, Borough Green, Meopham and Gravesend. The Arriva 452 bus connects the village with Kemsing, Sevenoaks station, and Dunton Green. An extended service of this route is operated by Go Coach on Saturdays. There are also some infrequent bus services, such as the Go Coach 404, connecting Seal to Shipbourne, Plaxtol, Ivy Hatch (for Ightham Mote), Stone Street, Kippington, Ide Hill, and Edenbridge. There are currently no buses serving Seal on Sundays or public holidays, also there are no direct buses to Otford. The closest railway stations to the village are at Bat & Ball and Kemsing.

Notable people

 * Emma Corrin (born 1995), actress who portrayed Diana, Princess of Wales in The Crown
 * David Fursdon (born 1952), cricketer and the current Lord-Lieutenant of Devon
 * Dorothy Hewer (1888–1948) opened her herb farm here where she developed "Seal" Lavender. The farm was later (1948) taken over by Margaret Brownlow (1916–1968).

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I have the pages from July 09 - so can anyone fill in the gap? Spa-Franks (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:44, 4 February 2011 (UTC).

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Cancer registry

A cancer registry is a systematic collection of data about cancer and tumor diseases. The data are collected by Cancer Registrars. Cancer Registrars capture a complete summary of patient history, diagnosis, treatment, and status for every cancer patient in the United States, and other countries.

The Surveillance, Epidemiology and End Results (SEER) program of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) was established in 1973 as a result of the National Cancer Act of 1971. The National Program of Cancer Registries (NPCR) was established by Congress through the Cancer Registries Amendment Act in 1992, and administered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). NPCR and SEER together collect cancer data for the entire U.S. population. CDC and NCI, in collaboration with the North American Association of Central Cancer Registries, have been publishing annual federal cancer statistics in the United States Cancer Statistics: Incidence and Mortality report. Information maintained in the cancer registry includes: demographic information, medical history, diagnostic findings, cancer therapy and follow up details. The data is used to evaluate patient outcome, quality of life, provide follow-up information, calculate survival rates, analyze referral pattern, allocate resources at regional or state level, report cancer incidence as required under state law, and evaluate efficacy of treatment modalities.

There exist population-based cancer registries, hospital cancer registries (also called hospital-based cancer registries), and special purpose registries.

History
In 1926, Yale-New Haven Hospital became the first to set up a cancer registry. In 1956, the American College of Surgeons (ACoS) formally adopted a policy to encourage, through their Approvals Program, the development of hospital-based cancer registries. In 1973, the Surveillance, Epidemiology and End Results (SEER) Program of NCI established the first national cancer registry program. In 1992, U.S. Public Law 102-515 established the National Program of Cancer Registries (NPCR); it is administered by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). By 1993, most states considered cancer a reportable disease.

Population-based cancer registry
Population-based cancer registries monitor the frequency of new cancer cases (so-called incident cases) every year in well defined populations and over time by collecting case reports from different sources (treatment facilities, clinicians and pathologists, and death certificates). The frequency of these incident cases are expected per 100,000 of the mother population. If an unexpected accumulation can be observed, a hypothesis about possible causes is generated. This hypothesis is investigated in a second step by collecting more detailed data. The aim is to recognize and to reduce risks. Population-based registries can also monitor the effects of preventive measures. All population-based central registries in the United States and Canada are members of the North American Association of Central Cancer Registries. This organization acts as a voice for the registries when dealing with national standard-setting organizations, sets standards for digital cancer record transmission, and certifies the registries for the quality of their data, among other functions.

Hospital cancer registry
Hospital cancer registries aim at the improvement of cancer therapy, improve quality of care, evaluate adherence to guidelines, etc. They also serve as a source for epidemiological studies. Therefore, they have to collect detailed data about diagnosis, therapy, dates of important milestones in treatment, etc. Improvements can be achieved by:

 * comparison of therapy – which therapy is the best for patients with similar characteristics
 * comparison of therapists – which hospital, which physician has the best results under the same conditions (quality management)
 * evaluation of adherence to guidelines
 * evaluation of timeliness of interventions (time to diagnosis, time to initiation of treatment, etc.) and their effect on prognosis
 * support of treatment – registries can improve information about a patient and help to provide an optimal treatment by planning therapies and generating reminders

Cooperation
Since the data needed by hospital cancer registries usually include those of population-based cancer registries and both use the same classifications, data can be sent from a hospital cancer registry to a population-based registry thus reducing documentation efforts. Important barriers and facilitators in this process include clear rules on data sharing, which in many countries may be problematic.

Some hospital and population-based cancer registries report their incidence data to national organizations that aggregate and publish the data, but in many countries the data are not centrally managed. The way in which these data are formatted to be submitted to these organizations are determined by standards released by standard-setting organizations. Edits are run on the data to check for inaccuracies and duplicate cases before being submitted electronically. Different organizations have different standards for data reliability and completeness, and some award certifications based on the adherence to these standards.

SEER Registries
The Surveillance, Epidemiology, and End Results (SEER) Program of the National Cancer Institute collects and publish data on cancer incidence and survival throughout the United States. The information from population-based cancer registries covers approximately 28 percent of the US population. This coverage includes 26 percent of African Americans, 41 percent of Hispanics, 43 percent of American Indians and Alaska Natives, 54 percent of Asians, and 71 percent of Hawaiian/Pacific Islanders. The SEER program population-based cancer registries include Arizona Indians, Cherokee Nation, Connecticut, Detroit, Georgia Center for Cancer Statistics (Atlanta, Great Georgia, and Rural Georgia), Greater Bay Area Cancer Registry (San Francisco-Oakland and San Jose-Monterey), Greater California, Hawaii, Iowa, Kentucky, Los Angeles, Louisiana, New Jersey, New Mexico, Seattle-Puget Sound, and Utah. Selection of the geographic areas is based on the ability to operate and maintain a high quality population-based cancer reporting system.

National Program of Cancer Registries (NPCR)
The National Program of Cancer Registries is a USA-based program with state-based cancer registries that collect, analyze and report cancer cases and deaths to a central cancer registry. NPCR was established in 1992 and administered by the CDC. NPCR supports central cancer registries in 45 states, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Pacific Island jurisdictions (covers approximately 96% of the U.S. population). State cancer registries monitor cancer trends, determine cancer patterns, direct planning and evaluation of cancer control programs, help set priorities for allocating health resources, promote research, and provide information on cancer incidence. The data collected helps public health professionals understand and address the cancer burden. The ninth volume of Cancer Incidence in Five Continents, published by International Agency for Research on Cancer, includes cancer incidence data from 32 NPCR-funded registries. NPCR's future direction is to expand the use of information technology designed to support, improve, and enhance the management and exchange of electronic data in cancer surveillance.

National Firefighter Registry
Due to the lack of central and comprehensive sources of data, research on cancer rates amongst firefighters has been challenging. On July 7, 2018, Congress passed the Firefighter Cancer Registry Act of 2018 requiring the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to create the National Firefighter Registry for Cancer designed to collect data on cancer rates among U.S. firefighters.

Swedish Cancer Registry
The Swedish Cancer Registry was established in 1958. Health care providers in Sweden are required to report newly detected cancer cases diagnosed at clinical, morphological, and laboratory examination (as well as those discovered during autopsy) to the registry. Every year, the regional registries send cancer data to the National Cancer Register. The information available in the registry include patient's personal information (PIN, sex, age and place of residence), medical records (date of diagnosis, site of the tumor, method used for diagnosis, and hospital where the patient is being treated), and follow-up data (date and cause of death or date of migration).

Cali Cancer Registry
The Cali Cancer Registry (Registro Poblacional de Cancer de Cali in Spanish) started in 1962 as a research program of the Department of Pathology of the University of Valle School of Medicine in Cali, Colombia. Currently, Cali Cancer Registry is recognized by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), an entity of WHO. Cali Cancer Registry uses quality assurance procedures based on IARC guidelines to validate the quality of cancer registration. Due to advances in cancer control and the Cali Cancer Registry, Cali is the first city to implement the initiative C/Can 2025: Challenge of Cities Against Cancer, a project of the Union for International Cancer Control (UICC) that seeks to increase the coverage and quality of oncological care in cities with more than one million inhabitants in low and middle income countries.

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This category includes baseball players for the team known as the Brooklyn Superbas (National League, 1899-1910, 1913).

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1969 in Ireland

Events in the year 1969 in Ireland.

Incumbents

 * President: Éamon de Valera
 * Taoiseach: Jack Lynch (FF)
 * Tánaiste:
 * Frank Aiken (FF) (until 2 July 1969)
 * Erskine H. Childers (FF) (from 2 July 1969)
 * Minister for Finance: Charles Haughey (FF)
 * Chief Justice: Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh
 * Dáil:
 * 18th (until 22 May 1969)
 * 19th (from 2 July 1969)
 * Seanad:
 * 11th (until 24 July 1969)
 * 12th (from 5 November 1969)

Events

 * 1 January – The People's Democracy civil rights march left Belfast for Derry.
 * 4 January – Militant loyalists, including off-duty Ulster Special Constabulary ("B-Specials"), attacked civil rights marchers in County Londonderry.
 * 10 January – Protestors in Northern Ireland defied police orders to abandon a planned march.
 * 27 January – Ian Paisley was jailed for three months for illegal assembly in Northern Ireland.
 * 4 March – The Lichfield Report was issued. It proposed the creation of a "University of Limerick" which would be "orientated towards technological subjects".
 * 19 March – Ireland received its first loan from the World Bank.
 * 22 March – Civil rights demonstrations took place all over Northern Ireland.
 * 17 April – Bernadette Devlin, the 21-year-old student and civil rights campaigner, won the Mid-Ulster by-election. She was the youngest-ever female Member of Parliament in the United Kingdom.
 * 20 April – British troops arrived in Northern Ireland as a back-up to the Royal Ulster Constabulary.
 * 28 April – The Prime Minister of Northern Ireland, Terence O'Neill, resigned.
 * 1 May – Major James Chichester-Clark succeeded Terence O'Neill as the Northern Irish Prime Minister.
 * 7 May – The Minister for Finance, Charles Haughey, announced tax exemptions for painters, sculptors, writers, and composers on earnings gained from works of cultural merit.
 * 17 May – The first exhibition in Ireland of works by Pablo Picasso opened at the Exhibition Hall in Trinity College Dublin. Paintings, sculpture, ceramics, drawings, and graphics were displayed until the show ended on August 30th.
 * June – Penneys department store in Dublin, predecessor of multinational fast fashion retailer Primark, was established by Arthur Ryan on behalf of the Weston family at 47 Mary Street.
 * 18 June –
 * The 1969 Irish general election for Dáil Éireann was held.
 * Former French President Charles de Gaulle and his wife were greeted by President de Valera at Áras an Uachtaráin.
 * 20 July – Telefís Éireann, which normally stopped broadcasting by midnight during the 1960s, transmitted its first all-night programme when the first men landed on the Moon at 9.17 pm, Irish time. The moonwalk began at 3.39 the next morning and ended at 6.11. The entire broadcast was hosted live by Kevin O'Kelly, working alone in front of the camera, and he won a Jacob's Television Award for his performance.
 * 21 July –
 * A message of goodwill from President Éamon De Valera, along with messages from 72 other heads of state, was placed on the surface of the moon by astronaut Buzz Aldrin during the first moonwalk, performed during the Apollo 11 mission. De Valera's message read: "May God grant that the skill and courage which have enabled man to alight upon the Moon will enable him, also, to secure peace and happiness upon the Earth and avoid the danger of self-destruction." The messages of world leaders were photographed and micro-reduced in size 200 times, then inscribed on a half-dollar-coin-sized silicon disc which was encased in an aluminium capsule to protect it. The messages are readable through a microscope.
 * President de Valera sent U.S. President Richard Nixon a telegram of congratulations and admiration following the first crewed Moon landing by Americans Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin.
 * 1 August
 * A huge protest rally over events in Northern Ireland was held outside the General Post Office, Dublin. The crowd demanded that the Irish Army cross the border.
 * The farthing and halfpenny coins were withdrawn from circulation as Ireland moved towards decimalisation.
 * 3 August – Taoiseach Jack Lynch made a state visit to Lebanon.
 * 5 August
 * Belfast experienced the worst sectarian rioting since 1935.
 * RTÉ Studio bombing: The RTÉ broadcasting studios in Donnybrook, Dublin were bombed at 1.30 am. The studio building was damaged and the blast knocked a security guard to the ground but he was not injured. The Ulster Volunteer Force terrorist group admitted responsibility on 24 October.
 * 12 August – Rioting broke out in Derry in the Battle of the Bogside, the first major confrontation of The Troubles.
 * 13–17 August – Sectarian rioting took place in Northern Ireland.
 * 13 August – As the Battle of the Bogside continued, Taoiseach Jack Lynch made a speech on television saying that the Irish government "can no longer stand by" and demanded a United Nations peace-keeping force for Northern Ireland.
 * 14 August – British troops were deployed for the first time in Northern Ireland to restore law and order. Their presence was welcomed at first by many in the Catholic population of Derry.
 * 15 August – A night of shooting and burning took place in Belfast. In Dublin, a Sinn Féin party protest meeting called for the boycott of British goods, Irish government protection of the people of Northern Ireland, and United Nations intervention.
 * 16 August – British soldiers were deployed in particularly violent areas of Belfast.
 * 17 August – Members of the Garda Síochána (police) clashed with protesters on O'Connell Street, Dublin, as a march against the Northern Ireland situation headed for the British embassy.
 * 27 August – The B-Specials began to hand in their guns following a call by Lieutenant-General Ian Freeland to disband them. British Home Secretary, James Callaghan, visited Belfast.
 * 30 August – Jack Lynch ordered the Irish Army Chief of Staff, General Seán Mac Eoin, to prepare a plan, called Exercise Armageddon, for possible incursions into Northern Ireland in defence of Catholic communities there.
 * 10 September – The British Army started to construct the first of the Northern Ireland 'Peacelines' on the Falls-Shankill divide in Belfast, marking the first of many 'Peacewall' constructions across the city.
 * October – The grave of Wolfe Tone in Sallins, County Kildare is bombed by the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF).
 * 10 October – The Hunt Committee Report recommended an unarmed civil police force in Northern Ireland and abolition of the Ulster Special Constabulary.
 * December – The Irish Republican Army split into Official and Provisional wings.
 * 1 December – The Fianna Fáil party paid tribute to former taoiseach and party leader Seán Lemass as his forty-five years of public life came to an end.
 * 26 December – One of the winged statues at the base of the O'Connell Monument in Dublin is destroyed in the early hours of the morning by a time-bomb that had been placed behind it the previous day by the UVF. No injuries are reported.
 * 28 December – In the early hours of the morning, a car bomb explodes near the entrance to the Central Detective Bureau in Ship Street, near Dublin Castle. Nobody is injured.
 * 31 December – The half crown coin was permanently withdrawn from circulation.
 * Undated
 * The 1967 policy of free secondary education for all was fully implemented.
 * The last permanent residents left the island of Inis Cathaigh in the Shannon Estuary in County Clare.

Arts and literature

 * August – Andrew Boyd's historical work Holy War in Belfast was published in Tralee, going through six impressions in three years.
 * 5 October – Samuel Beckett was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature.
 * December – Rock band Thin Lizzy was formed in Dublin.
 * Donagh MacDonagh's poems A Warning to Conquerors were published in Dublin.

Sports
Gaelic Football Finals: Kerry 0–10 Offaly 0–7 Hurling Finals: Kilkenny 2–15 Cork 2–9

Births

 * 6 January – Jonathan Philbin Bowman, journalist and radio presenter (died 2000).
 * 19 January – Steve Staunton, former international association football player, former manager of the Republic of Ireland national football team.
 * 8 February – Earl McCarthy, freestyle swimmer
 * 15 March – Pat Fenlon, association football player and manager.
 * 26 March – Billy Dooley, Offaly hurler.
 * 31 March – Lawrence Patrick Parsons, Lord Oxmantown.
 * 2 April – Ann Leonard, former Fianna Fáil party politician.
 * 1 May – Mary Lou McDonald, Leader of Sinn Féin.
 * 10 June – Breandán de Gallaí, Irish dancer.
 * 13 June – Abe Elkinson, businessman.
 * 16 June – Tommy Tiernan, comedian.
 * 28 June – Angeline Ball, actress
 * 1 July – Séamus Egan, musician.
 * 10 August – Arthur Edward Rory Guinness, 4th Earl of Iveagh.
 * 23 August – Brian Hayes, Fine Gael party Teachta Dála (TD) for Dublin South-West.
 * 7 September – Barry Ferguson, association football player.
 * 17 September – Ken Doherty, snooker player.
 * 22 October – Owen Casey, tennis player.
 * 24 October – Emma Donoghue, playwright, literary historian, and novelist.
 * 29 October – Anthony Daly, Clare hurler and manager.
 * 28 November – Sonia O'Sullivan, runner, World and European Championship gold medallist.
 * 30 November – Catherina McKiernan, athlete.
 * 16 December – Michelle Smith, swimmer and triple Olympic gold medallist.

 * Full date unknown
 * Liz Allen, journalist and writer.
 * Kevin Barry, fiction writer.
 * Ciarán Farrell, composer.

Deaths

 * 24 January – Patrick Hogan, Labour Party TD, Ceann Comhairle of Dáil Éireann (born 1885).
 * 9 March – Martin King, Galway hurler (born 1900)
 * 30 March – James Foley, cricketer (born 1898).
 * 1 April – Francis de Groot, member of the right-wing New Guard of Australia (born 1888).
 * 8 April – James Duffy, soldier, recipient of the Victoria Cross for gallantry in 1917 at Kereina Peak, Palestine (born 1889).
 * 23 April – Florence Wycherley, independent TD (born 1908).
 * 23 May – Tom Barry, hurler (London-Irish) (born 1879).
 * 22 June – Thomas J. O'Connell, trade unionist, Labour Party leader, TD, and Senator (born 1882).
 * 4 August – Stanley Bergin, cricketer (born 1926).
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Proposed merge to/from History of Scuderia Ferrari
I propose to merge History of Scuderia Ferrari into Scuderia Ferrari. While a sub-article might be helpful, the history content is more fleshed out in the general article. If article length of the general article is an issue, then I suggest taking the existing content and moving it to the history article. Ytoyoda (talk) 14:25, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. To deal with the article length I will be proposing a split of Scuderia_Ferrari into another article. SSSB (talk) 09:35, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment There needs to be a look into splitting the article to make the parent article slimmer. Once an article reaches 100,000 kB a WP:SIZESPLIT is seriously in order; it's currently bordering 116,000 kB. DA1 (talk) 12:33, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , see my proposal in the thread below. SSSB (talk) 12:39, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No it isn't. The guideline talks about 100kB of readable prose. This article has only 68kB of that however.Tvx1 15:54, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Klbrain (talk) 20:57, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Splitting proposal
I propose that section Scuderia Ferrari be split into a separate page called Grand Prix racing history of Scuderia Ferrari (or something to a similar effect). The content of the current page seems over detailed and long for an article about Scuderia Ferrari generally and this section is easily large enough to warrant its own page. SSSB (talk) 09:39, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Should the word "racing" be in smalls caps? DA1 (talk) 13:03, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, just changed it, thanks. SSSB (talk) 13:15, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Split by Unnamelessness. SSSB (talk) 13:37, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Shwartzman Test driver
In a formula1.com article (https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.next-gen-20-of-the-most-exciting-up-and-coming-talents-on-the-road-to-f1.28oQu7EJnmY3K4FlQezFC6.html) it's stated that Robert Shwartzman will be a 2022 Ferrari test driver. I could find any other information on it though. should we add it or not? ScooterAnkle (talk) 17:16, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Proposal for editing the sportscar paragraph
Would it be possible to edit the sportscar paragraph and add the titles won by AFCorse in the GTE PRO class in the 2021 and 2022 seasons both in the manufacturer and driver's championships. I would also propose to restructure the text related to the GT competitions to follow the chronological sequence of the championship (ie FIA GT first and then WEC). This to better reflect the level of success attained by AFCorse with the support of "competizioni GT" department of Ferrari. As you know, Ferrari returned to GT competitions from the 2006 season and from then on went on to achieve an impressive sequence of successes in the major european championships for GT2/LMGTE cars (in the WEC it lost the manufacturers title only in three seasons out of 10 : 2015, 2018-19, 2019-2020). 151.68.57.69 (talk) 17:57, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Scuderia Ferrari HP
Ferrari isn't officially called Scuderia Ferrari HP yet. Why is the word HP in the infobox? Cineyas (talk) 10:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

 * The name "Scuderia Ferrari HP" is in Ferrari's social media pages and on their website so it is official. Jbvann05  22:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Nelson, British Columbia

[stats canada figures for Nelson]

The movie "Roxanne", staring Steve Martin and Daryl Hannah, was filmed here in 1987. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.135.250.66 (talk) 15:59, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's in the article. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 16:08, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Untitled
Some of the edits have an excessively "complainy" tone; this violates Wikipedia's NPOV policy. I'm thinking of the air quality guy and whoever said Shambles is "expensive". Because "expensive" is completely subjective I have deleted it completely. Wikipedia is not supposed to be a soapbox - you can write a letter to the NDN or complain on the shambhala boards if you think they charge too much.

As for the air quality section, as is in spite of its rather soft language it seems just a tad overly opinionated for an encyclopedia entry. It would be good to make the language more "objective" and provide harder statistics. PS your air quality link is broken.

Overall though I really like the way this article is coming along!

--manderr

New image
First off, the image is very nice. One question though - isn't the body of water Kootenay Lake? I don't remember a "Peace River" in the Kootenays - only the one up north near Fort Nelson.(I've temporarily reworked the caption to be more generic until this can be sorted out.) --Ckatz chat spy  16:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That is a nice photo. I agree with Ckatz though - the photo appears to have been taken on Kootenay Lake just off downtown Nelson looking east up Kootenay Lake towards the 'Orange Bridge'.  Nelson is on the right side of the photo with the downtown off the edge of the photo. Al guy 01:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The Peace River definitely does not flow through Nelson - that is the West Arm of Kootenay Lake.Rewand 05:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Good eyes, people. i was traveling BC when i took this shot, more than three years ago, and when adding it i was 89% sure it depicted Peace River.  i realize now that that isn't good enough for any encyclopedia.  As this was my first time contributing to Wikipedia, and also my first time releasing anything into public domain, i wanted to be as descriptive as possible.  Oops.  This picture was indeed taken off downtown Nelson -- down the street from the a bar called the Civic, at dawn, mind you -- so it sounds very likely we're talking about Lake Kootenay and Orange Bridge.  i've changed the image summary to simply call it a "lake", but given your comments (and hopefully mine as well), i think we can agree that this is in fact Lake Kootenay and Orange Bridge.  My apologies.  Damon daMeno 05:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I think we need a winter picture to match the current season. Then change it back in the summer again. I'll look for one but if anyone has a great one please! 24.67.213.123 (talk) 00:36, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Ktunaxa and Sinixt

 * ''The West Kootenay region of British Columbia, where the city of Nelson is situated, is the traditional territory of the Sinixt or Lakes First Nation. The area also has a significant Kutenai (Kutnaxa) presence.

Canadian usage is Ktunaxa for one thing, coulda fixed that but noticed it only during copy-paste to here. I'm pretty sure Nelson and the lower Kootenay River is part of the Ktunaxa land claim as well, and for sure they were at war over the aera in the early 19th and late 18th Centuries, on and off, right into times of white presence; cites for this are variously in Teit and Howay and other older histories so I won't add anythign here jsut yet, unless someone else would care to adjust the lines to reflect the Ktunaxa perception and not just hte Sinixt, and "you" can safely add that the Nelson-Castlegar or Nelson-Playmor Jctn was disputed territory; I think the Ktunaxa even raided into the Slocan, the Sinixt heartland and the proverbial sacred valley; according to websites and local lore (I was in Winlaw last summer) something like a native Tibet with a people given over to prayer and sanctity. Yeah, OK, but there's still this war thing with the Ktunaxa; "presence" seems a euphemism for "fought over with" and "also historically claimed as territory by" etc. Not in hte mood to look stuff up just now, it's after 4am; I'll find bits of Teit maybe, in his History of hte Okanagan people, I think it's in there and I have a TIF I think, but tomorrow or soon; g'nite.Skookum1 (talk) 07:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC).

Tourism Links
I've added a new link for the Nelson Kootenay Lake Tourism Association - the official tourism DMO (Destination Marketing Association) for Nelson and the Kootenay Lake area.(Drey777 (talk) 05:03, 9 February 2012 (UTC))
 * Hi, we often try to avoid such links unless they directly enhance the encyclopaedic content. Thank you, however, for your contribution. I've left a note on your talk page with links to some introductory material about the project. Cheers. --Ckatz chat spy  07:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I think it would be beneficial to have a stand alone section on tourism with a few links. Tourism is such a vital sector of Nelson's economy these days, it would be nice to highlight it. I can draft up a few sentences. (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nklt2012 (talk • contribs)

Reads like a tourist brochure
Everything below the 2nd para in "History" other than climate reads like a tourist brochure. Citations are inadequate. This is not an encyclopedia quality article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MagisterL (talk • contribs) 14:12, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * A common problem with town and city articles. WP:SoFixIt.Skookum1 (talk) 08:17, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Origin of Name
Something about the origin of the name would be appropriate. Was the city named after a person or family? ... PeterEasthope (talk) 15:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should be added; it was named for Hugh Nelson, an early expressman/freight company/steamship figure allied to Frank Barnard. See BC Names entry "Nelson (city".Skookum1 (talk) 03:48, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

anyone have a pic of the courthouse?
The Francis Rattenbury article listings of his works could use one.Skookum1 (talk) 08:15, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

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Pre-Qualifying
The section on the history of the 107% rule is wrong.

DNQ came about from the time when there were more teams, and therefore more cars, than could be permitted on the track for the race. The number permitted in the race used to vary from circuit to circuit (You can imagine that Monaco has a rather lower capacity than Silverstone), but was standardised at 26, presumably in the 1980s when Bernie and the FIA were busy standardising everything else. Only the quickest 26 would qualify for the race, the others were DNQ.

Pre-Qualifying is another matter again. In the late 1980s and early 1990s there were so many cars trying to qualify for each race (well over 30 if memory serves) that there were too many even for the qualification session (it's only an hour and you can imagine the difficulties of trying to squeeze everyone on - it's bad enough now with only 22). A pre-qualification session for new teams and the teams with the worst record over the preceding 6 months allowed two cars into the qualifying session proper of about 30 cars. This has got nothing whatever to do with the 107% rule.

The 107% rule only came about in (I think) the mid 1990s, when the number of teams started dropping so far that there were only 26 cars entered for each race anyway. There was therefore no prospect of anyone failing to qualify for the race, no matter how poor (Think Andrea Moda or Lola's Mastercard sponsored effort). Precisely because there had recently been a number of joke teams, the rule ensured that if you turned up with a comedy car and only an approximate idea of what you were doing and couldn't get within 107% of the pole-sitters time, you wouldn't get into the race.

The fact that there are now only 22 cars (less than the limit for the race1) is not therefore the reason for the 107% rule being dropped - what I'm trying to remember is why they did change it. If I remember, I'll come back and amend the article. I don't know that all the historical stuff needs to be in here, just an accurate reflection of why 107% has been dropped. A note on what the qualification rules for each season were would be useful in each of the season summaries, though.

 * 107% rule came in in 1996 I believe. mattbuck 20:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

 * It was dropped in 2003 while the one-lap qualifying was introduced, because it would have been unfair in the system. BleuDXXXIV 19:43, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

1. The limit on cars in a race has recently dropped to 24 - I'm not sure that's anything to do with racing necessity so much as the reluctance of the teams to divide up the pie with too many others. 4u1e

I can confirm that most, if not everything, that 4u1e wrote above is correct. I belive that only 20 cars was allowed in the race at Monaco for quite some time. I just checked the race archive in grandprix.com and it gives an example of prequalifing in 1989: 38 cars were entered so on friday morning 12 cars were reduced to 4 for the real qualifing. /Kakis 2006-05-06

Qualifying
107% rule was introduced in 1996 when there was a new qualfying format. DNPQ was actually discontinued at the end of 1992. 107% rule was i think that it didn't matter because teams were more competitive. Pattav2 11:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Qualifying time
"The qualifying hour is split into three 15-minute sessions, with seven-minute breaks in between." - this is no longer valid (Q1 is longer, Q3 is shorter), somebody please correct this. / 2008-03-20 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.24.204.196 (talk) 14:18, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Assessment
I assessed this as a start class article, but with references it surely could be B-class Guroadrunner (talk) 06:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Template:out of date
I've marked the page as out of date since: 78.52.196.52 (talk) 10:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * While the qualifying has been adapted to the current season with a tacked-on sentence, the section needs to be reworked -- the beginning still reads as if we're in 2006. It should mostly describe what it's like now, and perhaps add a historical remark for the difference to 2006.
 * There's a remark on the Concorde Agreement due to end 2007.
 * Done. Might have been quicker to do it yourself, mind. 4u1e (talk) 13:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Race
This page says:

"after a random length of time (one to nine seconds), the red lights are turned off"

but the page named Formula_One_regulations says:

"and then go out simultaneously after an interval of between four and seven seconds"

What is the correct interval? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.190.108.238 (talk) 22:17, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Abu Dhabi
Does Abu Dhabi start on Sunday afternoon local time? Mobile mundo (talk) 17:49, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

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Qualifying Session
Just wanted to ask what is a Qualifying Session? The part that talks about it talks about its History but doenst mention what exactly it is(And if it does then I didnt see it)(And also sorry for my bad English) (2804:29C4:170:B700:A487:1361:1904:E738 (talk) 21:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)) Uh I'm not sure what this part here is about so I'll just write something random... #StarWarsTheCloneWarsIsTheBestStarWarsSeriesEverMadeInMyOpinionAtLeast
 * Hi 2804:29C4:170:B700:A487:1361:1904:E738. A qualifying session is a session held to determine the order in which the cars will line up for the start of the race. In simplistic terms, the driver who sets the fastest time in qualifying starts at the front and the driver who sets the slowest time starts at the back. DH85868993 (talk) 01:29, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 23 April 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Consensus is that Formula One Grand Prix is ambiguous, subject to interpretation, and has no primary topic. (non-admin closure) В²C ☎ 10:45, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

– Disambugation page was moved to Formula One Grand Prix (disambiguation). Eurohunter (talk) 08:30, 23 April 2021 (UTC) —Relisted.  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 22:14, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Formula One racing → Formula One Grand Prix
 * Formula One Grand Prix → Formula One Grand Prix (disambiguation)
 * Note: due to the recent page move, Formula One Grand Prix now titles a page with significant content and so it must also be dispositioned. If this request is granted, then Formula One Grand Prix will be moved to Formula One Grand Prix (disambiguation). This request has been altered to reflect that fact.  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 19:30, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. How that is a rationale to move this page? SSSB (talk) 08:48, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I can't move itself. It was under "Formula One Grand Prix" name previously but someone moved it because he couldn't create disambugation then. Eurohunter (talk) 08:52, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * the pages' logs say that this has always been the location of this article. SSSB (talk) 09:05, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * No. It was here ("Moving so can create disamb page"). The main article is "Formula One Grand Prix" and its "List of Formula One Grands Prix" (both could be integrated as "Formula One Grand Prix" if they were shorter - but they are long enough). Eurohunter (talk) 09:15, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

 * Oppose - The WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the proposed title would be List of Formula One Grands Prix, this page doesn't describe the events it describes the proceedings and this is therefore the optimal title. The user making the proposal claims qualifying doesn't meet their own personal definition of a "race" and has made numerous changes without consensus to other pages on those grounds. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 08:58, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Strongly disagree that the primary topic would be the list. Someone looking up Formula One Grand Prix is very likely to be looking up what a Grand Prix involves. You yourself have suggested that people may not know what a Grand Prix is. SSSB (talk) 09:07, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:PRECISE. Looking at the article's contents, the proposed title is exacltly what the article is describing. This article includes information that shouldn't be present in an article called "Formula One racing" as well as missing information that should be present in an article called "Formula One racing". However, it perfectly reflect the content you would expect to find in an article called "Formula One Grand Prix", that is this article explains what a "Formula One Grand Prix" is. SSSB (talk) 10:01, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikidata is waiting for fixed name. Eurohunter (talk) 18:07, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I can't work out what the nom's rationale is, but I will address what SSSB has said: I think the current name better describes what this article is about. It has the usual schedule for each event, how it proceeds, and then what happens after (with regard to podiums and points). I also will point to mine and other's comments on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One pointing out that in many sources and in common usage the term "Grand Prix" only refers to the race, not the surrounding events (and no, I'm not saying always). I feel that this article should be somewhat like sections/articles for other sports which outline how an event progresses etc, eg Baseball. A7V2 (talk) 11:57, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * But you have Formula One regulations for it. Article above should be about "Formula One Grand Prix". Eurohunter (talk) 20:10, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The only thing that the discussion at WikiProject Formula One shows is that the meaning of "Grand Prix" is open to interpretation. If your interprtation is that "Grand Prix" refers to the weekend, then my rational holds. In the event that "Grand Prix" only refers to the race, then this article descibes what happens in the event that has the Grand Prix as part of it, so my rational holds.
 * This article descibes the events that happen in a Grand Prix weekend, and therefore I would go as far as to argue that renaming this page would make it consistent with the naming of 2017 British Grand Prix, which describes the events that happened in a specific Grand Prix event. SSSB (talk) 07:49, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Apologies for not being a bit clearer that I'm not trying to say you are wrong (if that makes sense) but merely that I disagree (by "but I will address what SSSB has said" I meant as opposed to the unclear rationale provided by the nom). To slightly rephrase what I said above, I believe that "Formula One racing" is a better way of expressing the idea of "Formula One Gameplay" than the proposed title. A7V2 (talk) 11:36, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like we're going to have to agree to disagree. I'll just say this, practice isn't racing. If this is "Formula One gameplay" as opposed to "What happens during an F1 race weekend" (of which the Grand Prix is the either the main part, or the event as a whole, depending on your interpretation), then shouldn't this article discuss testing? car design? These are parts of "Formula One gameplay". If testing isn't included (as it isn't competitve, so not gameplay but preperation/practice for the "gameplay"), why is practice included? In terms of "Formula One gameplay" don't have have similar significance? SSSB (talk) 11:43, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You're right that there are aspects of this article which aren't strictly "racing" but I don't agree that a name which isn't ideal should be replaced by a name which is worse/less suitable (which it is in my opinion for reasons already given). Additionally, surely you would agree that qualifying etc is a part of the sport which can be called "motor racing", even if not all of it is "racing". Should Anthony Pritchard's "The Motor Racing Year" books be renamed because they also discuss qualifying and practice (of course not, and the same for the countless other books with titles including the word "racing")? As far as I can tell, other sports don't have articles named in the way proposed (ie named for the generic event name as opposed to specific events, of course), like test match, cricket match, soccer game, football game etc, are all either redlinks or disambiguation pages. The trouble is what else could this article be called, and I'm not sure there is anything else really apart from . A7V2 (talk) 12:34, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I know I implied that it was my final comment, but...
 * As far as football game goes, Formula One Grand Prix and Formula One racing are just as bad as each other. The problem is that Formula One is too long to include the info in this article there. As far as I am aware, motorsport is the only sport with such a wide variation in how events are structured. So comparing this to any other sport is just silly.
 * Additionally, surely you would agree that qualifying etc is a part of the sport which can be called "motor racing", even if not all of it is "racing". - that is exactly my point. Testing fits within that etc, but its not included in this article, seemingly because it doesn't take place during an F1 weekend. The current scope of the article text is "what happens during an F1 race weekend", but the article title (in my opinion) suggest a different scope. SSSB (talk) 13:05, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

 * Comment - since no reason was given here or when Formula One Grand Prix was moved, I have moved the disambiguation page back to Formula One Grand Prix as it is the longstanding stable title for that page. If this move is successful then of course it can be put back again. A7V2 (talk) 12:10, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * But all of that was moved incorrectly years ago, only because someone couldn't create disambugation page (I don't know why - probably someone couldn't move page due to some account limitations) so we should just restore Formula One racing to Formula One Grand Prix, and move Formula One Grand Prix to Formula One Grand Prix (disambiguation). It was like that years go. Eurohunter (talk) 20:08, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I disagree. I'm not going to go around in circles about this. What makes you suggest it was moved "incorrectly"? And I still don't, and likely never will, agree that "Grand Prix" generally refers to the whole weekend/event. A7V2 (talk) 23:08, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 00:51, 16 August 2005 Johnteslade talk contribs moved page Formula One Grand Prix to Formula One Grand Prix (PSP) (Moving so can create disamb page) so he moved Formula One Grand Prix to Formula One racing becaus he needed to make Formula One Grand Prix disambugtion. It was done incorrectly because article "Formula One Grand Prix" is dominating and dismbugation page should be under Formula One Grand Prix (disambiguation). "(...) I still don't, and likely never will, agree that "Grand Prix" generally refers to the whole weekend/event (...) so what is this? Nonsense. I'm surprised that basic obvious things not obvious for some people. I can't understand how someone can not see what Grand Prix is or calling "race" a "Grand Prix". How you got it? Eurohunter (talk) 06:49, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * As I said in my oppose above, see my comments on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One where I and HumanBodyPiloter5 give several examples of reliable sources using the term to refer to the race only, and a few others agree with this. I don't appreciate what you appear to be insinuating with comments like "Nonsense. I'm surprised that basic obvious things not obvious for some people" and I'm not going to be lectured on the use of the English language by someone writing I can't understand how someone can not see what Grand Prix is or calling "race" a "Grand Prix". How you got it?. A7V2 (talk) 11:30, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The consensus in that discussion is that the definition of Grand Prix is open to interpretation. The contents of that discussion can be used in either side of the arguement, but, as I explain above (imo) this article can be moved regardless of what the definition of "Grand Prix" is. More importantly, is there any need for you two to be so agressive? SSSB (talk) 11:36, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

 * Oppose As per SSSB above, Grand Prix doesn't have a clear definition. And primary topic for Formula One Grand Prix is almost certainly the list article, not this. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:47, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * - And primary topic for Formula One Grand Prix is almost certainly the list article, not this. - says who? Why? Because I strongly disagree (for reasons I stated in response to HumanBodyPiloter's oppose) SSSB (talk) 18:04, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

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