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Steven C. McConnell
Thanks for your McConnell piece. I thought you might want to know that there is also a Steve McConnell page, but your article seems more complete. If you felt like merging them (I've added the merge tag already) it would be great. If not, probably someone will get around to it eventually. Cheers. --LeeHunter 18:29, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Image problem
The image I found on the original article was named Image:USACE Coos Bay Inlet.jpg. However, the description of this image at the Commons identifies it as the mouth of the Umpqua River at Winchester Bay. The links from the Commons image to the USACE source do not seem to work, which makes it hard to do fact-checking. However, I believe the description is correct and that this image is of Winchester Bay and the Umpqua and not of Coos Bay. I have therefore removed it, and we need a new image of the bay. Finetooth (talk) 18:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

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Suggestions and additions to Coos Bay
Hello, Nice piece so far on Coos Bay (the body of water). I checked the links for the references and they all work great. I did notice a few things that could be added. I see that some citations are needed for the information already included. Other additions to this article may be adding information on recreational activities done in the bay, and resources that Coos Bay provides. Such as clamming in the mud flats, and how Coos bay is home to the largest oyster farm in the State of Oregon, which are harvested year-round. (http://www.silverpointoysters.com/) Also, could add in the research being done on the bay by the Oregon Institute of Marine Biology, OIMB, (through the University of Oregon), as well as the South Slough National Estuarine Research Reserve located just south of OIMB.Revagillman (talk) 01:05, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: OEAS540 Biogeochemical Earth
— Assignment last updated by Meagan.OSU (talk) 19:43, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Suggested Bibiolography for this page
Notes; see User:AngstyArmadillo/Coos Bay/Bibliography for references.

Coos bay estuary Oregon fish and wildlife report from 1979, Roye,Cyndi. Information on physical characteristics, including dimensions, tributaries, bottom topography, tidal circulation, mixing, flushing, temperature, dissolved oxygen, turbidity, sediments and more. Biological characteristics: phytoplankton, macroalgae, seagrasses, tidal marsh, zooplankton, invertebrates, fish, mammals, birds; and subsystems.

Coos Bay Salt Marshes report from 1974, Hoffnagle, John. Info on: values and functions of salt marsh, history, salt marsh plants, marsh types of coos bay, mapping and acreage, salt marsh primary production in coos bay and more.

Comparative study of salt marshes in coo's bay report from 1976, Hoffnagle, John. Includes: Site descriptions - size, location, drainage, climate, geology, population and industry; salt marsh plants and marsh zonation - characteristics of plants; Net primary production in coos bay salt marshes - seasonal changes in nutrient values; detrital production.

Shifting Sediment Dynamics in Coos Bay Estuary in Response to 150 Years of Modification (2021) Eidam, EF. Using sediment transport model to look at how Coos bay has been modified since 1865: channel deepening/routing and dredging; leading to changes in dispersal and increased sediment trapping.

Impacts of 150 years of shoreline and bathymetric change in coos estuary; Eidam EF. dredging, shoreline reclamation, channel deepening, reduced intertidal areas. Hydrodynamic model using bathymetry data. Lead to increase in "tidal amplitude", "salinity intrusion length", "subtidal salt flux" and "ebb dominance of currents".

Sediment Tracer Tracking and Numerical Modeling at Coos Bay Inlet, OR, Li, Honghai. tracking movement of dredged material. numerical hydrodynamic, wave, and sediment transport model, the "Coastal Modeling System" to calculate sediment fluxes and simulate sediment tracer movement under waves, current, and wind conditions. results suggest movement is driven by tidal current in bay and inlet, and wave and storm conditions in open coastal area.

Environmental factors that affect Eelgrass meadows in Willapa Bay, WA and Coos Bay OR estuaries from 1998-2001, Thom, Ronald, 2003. Positive correlation between plant density and salinity, negative correlation with water temp gradients. Covers El Nino to La Nina - increase in plant flowering and abundance. significant effects of climate variation.

Hydrographic and dissolved oxygen variability in a seasonal pacific Northwest estuary, Sutherland, David, 2016. Up/down welling, variation in freshwater input, big tides, "salt wedge" at high river flow, well-mixed at low river flow, partially mixed during moderate river flow plus strong tides leads to salinity gradients, stratification. No evidence of hypoxia.

Green sturgeon in coos bay estuary (and Columbia river estuary) 2010-2011, Hansel, Hal 2017. ESA-listed, migrate upstream, used acoustic detectors and temperature/pressure sensor tags and capture release.

Olympia oyster larvae in coos bay, Peteiro, Laura, 2015. abundance and vertical migration. study conducted in 2010. Seasonality, abundance.

Juvenile Coho Salmon diet in coos bay, Mackereth, Kailand, 2016. Early migration, many return as spawning population. Yearling and sub-yearling foraging in upper estuary intertidal zone. Suggested different diets. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AngstyArmadillo (talk • contribs) 20:20, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Renaming this Page to Coos Bay Estuary
Hello, My groupmates and I would like to change the title of this page to Coos Bay Estuary to differentiate it from the Coos Bay, Oregon page about the town. @Ian (Wiki Ed) Would we have to make a new page and transfer everything over to do this? The trainings didn't explain the case where we are renaming an already existing page. Is this something you can help us with? Thanks! LiammaiL (talk) 01:21, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

 * @AngstyArmadillo There already is a note at the top of this article differentiating it from the Coos Bay, Oregon article. There's no need to rename this page. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:40, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks! LiammaiL (talk) 04:45, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Updates completed for Wiki Education Course
Hello! My group-mates and I have completed our edits to this page. This includes resturucturing and a lot of new content. Credits go to: @AngstyArmadillo, @Chrisgre, @Carsonwilliams, and @Foraminiferaa and our instructor @Gwaldbusser for some suggestions and edits! We hope you enjoy the new page! LiammaiL (talk) 20:43, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

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Technical directors in visual effects and computer animation industries
TD is a common job title in the computer animation and visual effects industries, rather than "the most senior technical person". They work on creating visual effects shots in movies, and computer animation scenes in games, and are often responsible for a specific part of the process, eg "Lighting TD", "Character TD". I'm beginning to think the Technical Director article needs to be split, else editors here will continue to perpetuate the error of incorrectly lumping this distinct usage in the visual effects and computer animation industries under "most senior technical person". We are dealing with different usages of the term "Technical Director", which need to be disambiguated. —Aliveness Cascade (talk) 14:44, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

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Julian Dixon

Julian Carey Dixon (August 8, 1934 – December 8, 2000) was an American Democratic politician from California who was a member of the California State Assembly from 1973 to 1978 and then a member of the United States House of Representatives from 1979 until his death. He chaired the House Ethics Committee from 1985 to 1991.

Biography
A member of the aristocratic Syphax family, Dixon was born in Washington D.C. and served in the United States Army from 1957 to 1960. He attended Dorsey High School, and graduated from California State University, Los Angeles in 1962. He was elected to the California State Assembly as a Democrat in 1972, and served in that body for three terms. Dixon was elected to the House of Representatives in 1978. In 1983 he joined with 7 other Congressional Representatives to sponsor a resolution to impeach Ronald Reagan over his sudden and unexpected invasion of Grenada. He chaired the rules committee at the 1984 Democratic National Convention and the ethics probe into Speaker Jim Wright. Dixon won re-election to the 107th United States Congress, but died at a hospital in Marina Del Rey, California on December 8, 2000, aged 66, following a heart attack.

The busy 7th Street / Metro Center / Julian Dixon transfer station for the A Line, B Line, D Line, and E Line in downtown Los Angeles is named after Dixon, with a plaque commemorating his role in obtaining the federal funding that enabled construction of the Metro Rail system. His alma mater, Southwestern University School of Law, in 2004 opened the Julian C. Dixon Courtroom and Advocacy Center in the former Bullocks Wilshire building. The Culver City branch of the Los Angeles County Library is also named in his honor, Culver City Julian Dixon Library.

The third revised edition of Black Americans in Congress 1870-2007 (House Document 108-224, Serial Set v.14904) is dedicated to the memory of Dixon. Remarks requesting this were made by several of his colleagues March 21, 2001 on the House floor during consideration of House Concurrent Resolution 43 of the 107th Congress which ordered the printing of the revised edition.

Dixon was a member of Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity. He was interred at Inglewood Park Cemetery, Inglewood, California.

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User:Fropuff/Drafts/Hyperbolic plane

''Draft in progress. Writing hyperbolic plane.''

The hyperbolic plane is a two-dimensional surface with constant negative curvature equal to −1. According to the uniformization theorem in Riemannian geometry there are exactly three distinct simply connected surfaces with constant Gaussian curvature. These include Topologically, the hyperbolic plane in equivalent to the regular Euclidean plane, R2, however the negative curvature makes its geometry quite different. In particular, the hyperbolic plane satisfies the axioms of hyperbolic geometry.
 * 1) the hyperbolic plane with curvature −1
 * 2) the Euclidean plane with curvature 0, and
 * 3) the unit sphere with curvature +1.

Definition
The hyperbolic plane is somewhat hard to visualize, as it cannot be isometrically embedded into 3 dimensional Euclidean space (R3). It can, however, be embedded into 2+1 dimensional Minkowski space, (R2,1). This model of the hyperbolic plane, sometimes called the Minkowski model is usually taken as the standard definition.

Minkowski space R2,1 is identical to R3 except that the metric is given by the quadratic form
 * $$\langle x, x\rangle = -x_0^2 + x_1^2 + x_2^2$$

Note that the Minkowski metric is not positive-definite, but rather has signature (−, +, +). This gives it rather different properties than Euclidean space.

The hyperbolic plane, usually denote H2, is given as a 2-dimensional hyperboloid of revolution in R2,1:
 * $$H^2 = \{x \in \mathbb{R}^{2,1} \mid \langle x, x\rangle = -1 \mbox{ and } x_0 > 0\}$$

The condition x0 > 0 selects only the top sheet of the two-sheeted hyperboloid. The hyperbolic plane can be parametrized by polar coordinates r and $$\phi$$:
 * $$x = \left(\cosh r, \sinh r \cos \phi, \sinh r \sin \phi\right)$$

Here r runs from 0 to $$\infty$$ and $$\phi$$ is periodic with period 2$$\pi$$;. These coordinates cover the entire hyperbolic plane.

The hyperbolic metric
The metric on H2 is induced from the metric on R2,1 (this is what it means to be a isometric embedding). Explicitly, the tangent space to a point x $$\isin$$ H2 can be identified with the orthogonal complement of x in R2,1. The metric on the tangent space is obtained by simply restricting the metric on R2,1. In polar coordinates, the hyperbolic metric can be written

 * $$g = dr^2 + \sinh^2 r\,d\phi^2$$

It is important to note that the metric on H2 is positive-definite even through the metric on R2,1 is not. This means that H2 is a true Riemannian manifold.

The Gaussian curvature of the hyperbolic metric is −1 at all points on the hyperbolic plane. This distinguishes it from the Euclidean plane (curvature 0) and the sphere (curvature +1).

Geodesics in on the hyperbolic plane are given by the intersection of H2 with two-dimensional subspaces of R2,1. These curves are parametrized by arc length. The geodesic distance between two points (x0, x1, x2) and (y0, y1, y2) on H2 is given by
 * $$d(x,y) = \cosh^{-1}\left(x_0 y_0 - x_1 y_1 - x_2 y_2\right)$$

Note, in particular, that in polar coordinates r measures the distance of any point from the "origin" (1,0,0).

The Poincaré models
The Poincaré models (named for Henri Poincaré) of the hyperbolic plane make the complex structure of the plane explicit. Specifically, take any simply connected, open subset of the complex plane (which is not the entire plane) together with its induced complex structure. By the Riemann mapping theorem, all such subsets are conformally equivalent.

Each such subset of the complex plane comes equipped with a natural Riemannian metric compatible with the complex structure which is unique up to conformal equivalence. The metric can be fixed completely by demanding that it have constant curvature −1.

Although there are, in principal, infinitely many Poincaré models, there are two which are particularly nice: the upper half plane and the interior of the unit disk.

The upper half plane model
The Poincaré half-plane model takes one-half of the Euclidean plane, as determined by a Euclidean line B, to be the hyperbolic plane (B itself is not included). Hyperbolic lines are then either half-circles orthogonal to B or rays perpendicular to B

 * $$g = \frac{1}{y^2}|dz|^2$$

The unit disc model
The Poincaré disc model also employs the interior of a circle, but lines are represented by arcs of circles that are orthogonal to the boundary circle, plus diameters of the boundary circle.

 * $$g = \frac{4}{(1-|z|^2)^2}|dz|^2$$

The Klein model
The Klein model (named for Felix Klein) uses the interior of the unit disc for the hyperbolic plane, and chords of the circle as geodesics. This model has the advantage of simplicity, but the disadvantage that angles in the hyperbolic plane are distorted.

The Klein model can be obtained from the Minkowski model in the following manner. Draw straight lines from the origin of R2,1 to points on H2. These lines will intersect the plane x0 = 1 in the interior of the unit disk on that plane. Take this disk as the Klein model. Explicity, the map from the Minkowski model to the Klein model is given by
 * $$(x_0,x_1,x_2) \mapsto \left(\frac{x_1}{x_0},\frac{x_2}{x_0}\right)$$.

The metric in the Klein model is given by pullback via the above map of the metric in the Minkowski model.

 * $$\frac{1}{(1-u_1^2-u_2^2)^2}\left(du_1^2+du_2^2 - (u_2 du_1 - u_1 du_2)^2\right)$$

Points of Klein model are given in geodesic polar coordinates by
 * $$\left(\tanh r \cos \phi, \tanh r \sin \phi\right)$$

Note that the edge of the disc is infinitely far from the center in this metric.

Escher and the hyperbolic plane
The famous circle limit III and IV  drawings of M. C. Escher illustrate the Poincaré disc version of the model quite well. In both one can clearly see the geodesics orthogonal to the disc (in III they appear explicitly). It is also possible to see quite plainly the negative curvature of the hyperbolic plane, via its effect on the sum of angles in triangles and squares.

For example, in III every vertex is the intersection of three triangles and three squares. In normal Euclidean plane, this would sum up to 450°, leading to a contradiction. Hence we see that the sum of angles of a triangle in the hyperbolic plane must be smaller than 180°. Another visible property is the fact that the hyperbolic plane has exponential growth. In IV, for example, one can see that the number of angels with a distance of n from the center rises exponentially. The angels have equal hyperbolic area, so the area of a ball of radius n must rise exponentially in n.

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Haiduk Peak

Haiduk Peak is a 2920 m peak, probably after Haiduk, district, Hungary or Hideghut (Haiduk), village of Rumania. Haiduk Peak is located on the Continental Divide on the border of Banff and Kootenay National Parks at the head of Haiduk Creek. The mountain was named in 1917, probably after the Haiduks of the Balkans. The name was adopted on 31 December 1928.

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Advanced Soaring Concepts

Advanced Soaring Concepts was a sailplane manufacturer based in Camarillo, California and owned by Tor Jensen. Their aircraft were marketed in kit form. The aircraft for which they were best known were the Spirit and Falcon kit sailplanes.

One of the company's most notable achievements was the design and construction of the Apex high-altitude, duration flight research sailplane for NASA.

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Patrologia Latina

The Patrologia Latina (Latin for The Latin Patrology) is an enormous collection of the writings of the Church Fathers and other ecclesiastical writers published by Jacques-Paul Migne between 1841 and 1855, with indices published between 1862 and 1865. It is also known as the Latin series as it formed one half of Migne's Patrologiae Cursus Completus, the other part being the Patrologia Graeca of patristic and medieval Greek works with their (sometimes non-matching) medieval Latin translations.

Although consisting of reprints of old editions, which often contain mistakes and do not comply with modern standards of scholarship, the series, due to its availability (it is present in many academic libraries) and the fact that it incorporates many texts of which no modern critical edition is available, is still widely used by scholars of the Middle Ages and is in this respect comparable to the Monumenta Germaniae Historica.

The Patrologia Latina includes Latin works spanning a millennium, from Tertullian (d. 230) to Pope Innocent III (d. 1216), edited in roughly chronological order in 217 volumes; volumes 1 to 73, from Tertullian to Gregory of Tours, were published from 1841 to 1849, and volumes 74 to 217, from Pope Gregory I to Innocent III, from 1849 to 1855. Although the collection ends with Innocent III, Migne originally wanted to include documents all the way up to the Reformation; this task proved too great, but some later commentaries or documents associated with earlier works were included.

Most of the works are ecclesiastic in nature, but there are also documents of literary, historical or linguistic (such as the Gothic bible in vol. 18) interest.

The original printing plates for the Patrologia were destroyed by fire in 1868. However, with help from the Garnier printing house they were restored, and new editions were printed beginning in the 1880s. The content within these reprints is not always identical to the original series, in either quality or internal arrangement. The new editions have been described as "inferior in a number of respects to Migne's own first editions".

Table of contents
The Patrologia Latina contains authors of the 2nd to 13th centuries, in roughly chronological order, in 217 volumes: 2nd–4th c.: 1–19; 4th–5th c.: 20–63; 5th–6th c.: 64–72; 6th–7th c.: 74–88; 7th–8th c.: 89–96; 8th–9th c.: 97–130; 9th/10th c.: 131–136; 10th/11th c.: 137–149; 11th/12th c.: 151–174; 12th c.: 175–205; 12th/13th c.: 206–217.

Secular rulers

 * Byzantine emperor Alexius I Comnenus (155)
 * Crusader King Baldwin I of Jerusalem (155)
 * Roman emperor Constantine I (8)
 * Frankish Emperor Charlemagne (97–98)
 * King Charles the Bald (124)
 * Crusader Godfrey of Bouillon (155)
 * Henry II, Holy Roman Emperor (140)
 * King Lotharius I (97–98)
 * King Louis the Pious (104)
 * King Louis VII of France (155)

Popes

 * Pope Adrian IV (188)
 * Pope Alexander III (200)
 * Pope Anastasius IV (188)
 * Pope Benedict I (72)
 * Pope Benedict III (115)
 * Pope Boniface II (64)
 * Pope Calixtus II (163)
 * Pope Celestine III (206)
 * Pope Clement III (204)
 * Pope Cornelius (3)
 * Pope Eugene III (180)
 * Pope Felix III (58)
 * Pope Felix IV (64)
 * Pope Gelasius I (59)
 * Pope Gelasius II (163)
 * Pope Gregory I (75–79)
 * Pope Gregory IV (106)
 * Pope Gregory VIII (202)
 * Pope Hilarius (58)
 * Pope Honorius II (166)
 * Pope Hormisdas (63)
 * Pope Innocent III (214–217)
 * Pope John II (72)
 * Pope John VI (89)
 * Pope John XIII (135)
 * Pope John XIX (141)
 * Pope Innocent I (20)
 * Pope Leo I (54–56)
 * Pope Leo II (96)
 * Pope Leo IV (115)
 * Pope Nicholas I (119)
 * Pope Paschal II (163)
 * Pope Pelagius II (72)
 * Pope Sergius I (89)
 * Pope Sergius II (106)
 * Pope Simplicius (58)
 * Pope Stephen I (3)
 * Pope Sylvester II (139)
 * Pope Leo IX (143)
 * Pope Gregory VII (148)
 * Pope Victor III (149)
 * Pope Urban II (151)
 * Pope Urban III (202)

Other bishops

 * Absalon, bishop of Roskilde, Danish statesman and archbishop of Lund (209)
 * Adalberon, bishop of Laon (141)
 * Aldhelm, Bishop of Sherborne (89)
 * Bishop Saint Ambrose of Milan (14–17)
 * Archbishop Anselm of Canterbury (158–159)
 * Bishop Anselm of Lucca (149)
 * Bishop Saint Augustine of Hippo (32–47)
 * Bishop Avitus of Vienne (59)
 * Bishop Baldric of Dol-en-Bretagne (166)
 * Saint Cassian of Imola, bishop of Brescia (49–50)
 * Bishop of Poitiers Gilbert de la Porrée (64)
 * Bishop Saint Gregory of Tours (71)
 * Bishop Saint Hilary of Arles (50)
 * Bishop Saint Hilary of Poitiers, Doctor of the Church (9–10)
 * Bishop Saint Isidore of Seville (81–84)
 * Bishop Ivo of Chartres (161–162)
 * Bishop of Chartres John of Salisbury (199)
 * Archbishop of Canterbury Lanfranc (150)
 * Bishop Liutprand of Cremona (136)
 * Bishop Saint Martin of Tours (18)
 * Bishop of Paris Maurice de Sully (200)
 * Bishop Odo of Bayeux (155)
 * Missionary Bishop Saint Patrick (53)
 * Bishop Saint Paulinus of Nola (61)
 * Bishop of Paris Peter Lombard (191–192)
 * Archbishop of Canterbury Theodore of Tarsus (99)
 * Bishop Thietmar of Merseburg (139)
 * Archbishop of Canterbury Saint Thomas Becket (190)
 * Missionary Bishop Ulfilas, bible translator into Gothic (18)
 * Archbishop William of Tyre (201)

Other clerics

 * Abbot Abbo of Fleury (139)
 * Abbot Adam of Perseigne (211)
 * Adémar de Chabannes (141)
 * Alger of Liège (180)
 * archdeacon Anselm of Laon (162)
 * Abbot Saint Benedict of Aniane (103)
 * Abbot Saint Benedict of Nursia (66)
 * Abbot Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, Doctor of the Church (182–185)
 * Presbyter Coelius Sedulius, poet (19)
 * Monk Dionysius Exiguus (Dennis the Little or Dennis the Short) (67)
 * Dudon or Dudo of Saint-Quentin, dean of Saint-Quentin (141)
 * Helinand of Froidmont (212)
 * Gildas of Rhuys and Llancarfan (69)
 * Monk Honorius of Autun (172)
 * Monk Hugh of St. Victor, philosopher (175–177)
 * Abbot Saint Odo of Cluny (133)
 * Benedictine monk Otloh of St. Emmeram (146)
 * Petrus Comestor (198)
 * Peter Tudebode (155)
 * Uncanonized Saint Peter the Venerable, abbot of Cluny (189)
 * Abbot Regino of Prüm (132)
 * Prior Richard of St. Victor (196)
 * Cistercian Abbot Robert of Molesme (157)
 * Robert the Monk (155)
 * Monk Rufinus of Aquileia, translator (21)
 * Abbot Suger of Saint-Denis (186)
 * Orderic Vitalis (188)
 * Monk William of Malmesbury, historian (179)

Others

 * Including those not yet categorized

 * Peter Abelard (178)
 * Adam of Bremen (146)
 * Aimoin (139)
 * Alain de Lille (210)
 * Alcuin (100–101)
 * Arnobius (5)
 * Aurelius Prudentius Clemens (60)
 * Bede (90–95)
 * Boethius (63–64)
 * Saint Boniface (89)
 * Bruno of Chartreuse (152–153)
 * Cassiodorus (69–70)
 * Cyprian (3–4)
 * False Decretals (56)
 * Dunstan (137)
 * Einhard (104)
 * Eusebius of Vercelli (12)
 * Flodoard (135)
 * Fulbert of Chartres (141)
 * Fulcher of Chartres (155)
 * Gaius Marius Victorinus (8)
 * Gottschalk (121)
 * Gratian (187)
 * Guibert of Nogent (156)
 * Helgaud (141)
 * Helinand of Froidmont (212)
 * Hermannus Contractus (also called Hermann of Reichenau or Hermannus Augiensis)(143)
 * Hildegard of Bingen (197)
 * Hincmar (125–126)
 * Hroswitha of Gandersheim (137)
 * Pseudo-Isidore (130)
 * Saint Jerome (22–30)
 * Johannes Scotus Eriugena (122)
 * Lactantius (6–7)
 * Lucifer Calaritanus (13)
 * Magnus Felix Ennodius, Latin rhetorician and poet (63)
 * Marcus Minucius Felix (3)
 * Marianus Scotus (147)
 * Novatian (3)
 * Orosius (31)
 * Pelagius (21)
 * Peter of Blois, French poet and diplomat (207)
 * Rabanus Maurus (107–112)
 * Radbertus (120)
 * Ratramnus (121)
 * Raymond of Aguilers (155)
 * Saint Prosper of Aquitaine (51)
 * Salvian (53)
 * Symmachus (18)
 * Saint Sulpicius Severus (20)
 * Tertullian (volumes 1–2)
 * Theodulf (105)
 * Venantius Fortunatus (88)
 * Saint Vincent of Lérins (50)
 * Walafrid Strabo (113–114)
 * Walter of Châtillon (209)
 * Walter the Chancellor (155)

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Full of errors. I'd add a "disputed facts" tag, if that hadn't been rendered so disreputably by misuse. Wetman 04:08, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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Tsengel

Tsengel (臣格勒) may refer to several places:

 * Tsengel, Bayan-Ölgii, a sum (district) of Bayan-Ölgii Province in western Mongolia
 * Tsengel Khairkhan, a mountain of the Altai Mountains in western Mongolia
 * Tsengel, founder of Banana Records, a recording studio founded in 2018 Los Angeles California.

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Dalanzadgad

Dalanzadgad (Даланзадгад; ) is the capital of Ömnögovi Aimag in Mongolia. It is located 540 km south of the national capital Ulaanbaatar. The altitude of the city center is 1,470 meters (4,823 feet).

As of 2011, its population is 19,396.

Transportation
Dalanzadgad Airport (ZMDZ/DLZ) is served by regular domestic flights from and to Ulaanbaatar. There are summer and winter timetables.

In 2007, the Mongolian Civil Aviation Authority built a new airport with a paved runway. The runway is second longest in the country after Buyant-Ukhaa International Airport. Before that, the airport had only one gravel runway.

Dalanzadgad has a paved road connecting it with Ulaanbaatar. There is no direct road access across the Gobi desert to China.

Climate
Dalanzadgad experiences a cold desert climate (Köppen BWk) with cold winters and warm summers. By Mongolian standards it is one of the warmest places in the country during winter. Along with Tsetserleg and Arvaikheer it was warmer than Hohhot in January 2014 and 2015. A unique steppe micro-climate with running streams and lush grass can be found in the nearby Yolyn Am valley.

Communications and Power
There is GSM coverage in the city the same as in other major locations - the coverage is good for about a mile out of the city. Usually, the city is also supplied with electric power 24 hours a day. Near Dalanzadgad, at 43°31′54.38″N 104°24′4.16″E, there is a longwave broadcasting station working on 209 kHz with 75 kW.

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Talk:Master Sword

Identification as Magical Sword
Despite fan insistence, neither the Magical Sword nor the White Sword are actually the Master Sword; Nintendo had the chance to make it so when this game was ported to the Game Boy Advance, but they did not.

Now this is not *wrong*, but it's not *right* either. Nintendo didn't (to my knowledge) change Gannon, Rupy, Rupies, etc. etc. etc. nor did they correct the Old man's tentative grasp of the English language. Now I'm not going to revert it (well, I don't have the power to, but that's not the point!), but I don't think this is really "true" as such, judging by the other errors still featured in the game. What do you think? Please discuss. Master Thief Garrett 09:49, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I think my tendency would be to agree with MTG that Nintendo wasn't really interested in "fixing" the game, but this whole thing is sort of beside the point, since my opinion about the "Magical Sword" is that it doesn't have anything to do with the Master Sword, since the Master Sword was invented in Link to the Past. Talking about the role of the Master Sword in games before 1992 (or whenever it was) is pointless. --Carl 16:01, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * It should be noted, as an aside, that according to the GANNON-BANNED section, Gannon and some other errors were apparently fixed in the Collector's Edition version of the game. Whether or not it fixed the Magic Sword I don't know. I will check to see if IGN etc. has a screenshot of it. Not that that makes the situation any different, but still a point of interest. Master Thief Garrett 23:12, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * The whole reason I merged the sections on LoZ and AoL together was to make the connection that the swords that appear in both of these games are similar to the Master Sword in appearance (blue hilt, light-coloured blade). So even if these swords are not to be considered one in the same as the Master Sword, this should at least be pointed out so that mention of is not irrelevent. --Tydaj 02:02, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

 * On the official Zelda website, it says the Magic Sword and the Master Sword are indeed the same weapon. However, the problem is wheter the site is any accurate. http://zelda.com/universe/pedia/m.jsp -- DynamoDT

 * I wouldn't think so... It doesn't outright say, "Yes, the Magical Sword of old and the Master Sword you all know and love are, indeed, one in the same". Rather, it just lists the NES games (in smaller lettering) as games that the Master Sword has appeared in, with no mention of the Magical Sword. It could have easily been an error.208.101.160.214 22:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

-- Note that many do not consider the Wind Waker proper canon.

 * Really? News to me. It seems pretty clear from the story line that it fits in place a few hundred years after OoT/MM and before LttP. It's all just a matter of the kids sailing off someplace and naming it Hyrule too. That they had to move could also explain why in LttP there are no Gorons, etc.

 * Many, many, MANY fans hate WW because of the kiddy graphics therefore some "ostracise" it from their view of the series altogether! But from an official point of view it's as canon as any other game in the series. Master Thief Garrett 01:27, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If someone would state where it's said that the Master Sword is also called the "Sword of Evil's Bane" it would be more authoritive. Cúchulainn 00:08, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)

Erm, it's called SoEB up, down and across Ocarina of Time. Sheik, Rauru, the manual, and the player's guide all refer to it as such. There are a couple in-game references in other games too. Adam Marx Squared 00:25, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

"Soul Calibur II and Super Smash Bros: Melee Link's basic and most balanced weapon and companion to the Hylian Shield."

One problem, besides the colon of course: SSBM has no relevance _whatsoever_ to the storyline, whereas various interpretations of the storyline include SCII. Furthermore, I said "basic and most balanced weapon" because in SCII he has a number of weapons that are not the Master Sword & Hylian Shield (such as the Cane of Byrna, Mirror Shield or Razor Sword). If we use it in this sense, the Master Sword is actually his ONLY weapon in SSBM, the Bow, Bombs and Boomerang aside. For now, however, I will not remove it. For now.

Organization
Perhaps it would be better to organize first by name (magical sword vs. Master Sword) and then by game? --Tydaj 00:38, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
 * What???Toonami Reactor (talk) 15:01, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

About the first apperance of the Master Sword...
I belive that the first time the Master Sword appeared (according to the timeline of all of the games together) was in OoT. Even though A Link to the Past was created first, wasn't it set later in the timeline than OoT? --A.J. 20:31, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

OoT was a prequal to The Legend of Zelda in the story line's chronology, but in actuality since LoZ was the first game, which inspired OoT, it carried the first notion of it having the virtue of being made first. I suppose you would have to decide on which sense to use, the storyline or real-time. Ereinion 23:06, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

 * There is little agreement on what the timeline is, and for some parts even Miyamoto says he's not sure(!) so I'd maybe leave it in game order. That way very few can complain. Master Thief Garrett 00:22, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

It's peculiar in that it's a sort of an anachronism (B is A because A is B sort of case). I think it should be stated that the term was first introduced to the public in the first game, but was used as a catalyst for the use in OoT, which consolodated the storyline. Ereinion 01:43, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

OoT was not the first game created, but came first on the timeline. So the first appearence of the Master Sword was infact in Ocarina. So the main pic should be a pic of the sword from OoT.Toonami Reactor (talk) 14:50, 17 October 2008 (UTC) But that is only if you were to talk about timline wise (Which, to me, would be proper).Toonami Reactor (talk) 14:52, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If there was a confirmed timeline that it was at all possible to base things on, then maybe. But there's not, so we go by real-world time. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 16:35, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Who cares about timeline? This is an encyclopedia, not a fan page. I want factual information. Not fictional what ifs.129.139.1.68 (talk) 16:53, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Possible clean up?
I've been going through the article, and it feels very choppy. Does anyone object to my going through the entire article and fixing up some of the sections to make them flow a bit smoother? None of the information will be changed, or the article organization, just the sections themselves. If I don't get an objection by tomorrow, I'll proceed. Kuro Yoake Speak to me!! 15:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Writing
I was playing ocarina of time and I noticed that during the cutscene where you remove the master sword from its pedestal, there appears to be something written on the gold spot above the guard. Here are some screenshots. Can anyone tell if it's Kanji or if it's just gibberish? Ziiv 04:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's the Triforce symbol. ToaDjango 21:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * How can that be the Triforce? There's two vertical lines under the main body of the symbol.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 21:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If you look on a CGI render, or official art, it is a symbol of the Triforce. The reason it looks like that is, well, the N64's graphics weren't at the level of St. Peter's Basilica. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 21:58, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I was looking at a the official art for TW and in one of the pictures of link with the master sword I noticed some Hylian writing on the top of the hilt and on the golden diamond thing.--Suprboy772 (talk) 02:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

This peaked my interest and i have to agree witht he first post. When young link first grabs the hilt of the sword it is the gold diamond however when he pulls it out the design changes. This probably dosent mean anything but yes, its true. 67.142.161.33 (talk) 20:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge?
I've moved Hyrule to Universe of The Legend of Zelda series, and am considering merging this into that as an "artifact of the series' universe". Comments? - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:07, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As it has high importance on the Zelda scale, I would put this on hiatus and wait to see if it can be improved.Toonami Reactor (talk) 14:53, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really. There's not much to say about it, and a merge would definitely be appropriate. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 16:34, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it might be helpful to merge it in the short term. If someone were to find adequate sources, splitting it back out would be fine at a later time. But a full article with no third-party sources just invites original research / deletion (from opposite extremes). Randomran (talk) 17:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It's not being actively worked on it seems, and the article would be significantly smaller after a cleanup for encyclopedic content. Merging it for now would be the best bet.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it can be safely merged, there is very little content that isn't in universe, so nothing will be lost, and can always be resurrected if more is found. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:19, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Master Sword controlling time?
In the article it states that the Master Sword can control time. Whether this was ntended literally or for OoT's story line is debatable in my mind. The sword itself cannot control time, Raru states that after Child Link drew the sword from its pedestol he sealed Link's body in the chamber of sages for (roughly) 7 years. This was done so Link was able to wield the Master Sword in and all of its power. The sword however cannot control time, it merely acts as a bridge between the past (child Link) and the future (Adult Link). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.161.34 (talk) 18:06, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Correct. The OCARINA can control time, but the sword sped time up ONLY because Link was too young.Toonami Reactor (talk) 14:57, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Cosplay image
Hi I've only just recently had a discussion with  and we agreed to include it in the reception to replace another image. Its purpose is to illustrate how the sword has become an integral part of the character's visual identity e.g. as shown in cosplay. Fieryninja (talk) 10:22, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

 * Oh I see. Feel free to revert.  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 10:34, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're gonna work characters into GA, less prominent articles (few appearances) like Navi (The Legend of Zelda) and/or Fi (The Legend of Zelda) are the easiest to do.  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 04:40, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Reception
Reception should form as paragraph not like this  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 00:33, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi to which guideline are you referring? The reception was organised by standard usage of a paragraph e.g. only one idea per paragraph and in a logical reading order. You have randomly created three paragraphs and moved things around so that the first paragraph for example now features several different points included in one paragraph that have no relevance to each other e.g. the Celtic influences and the IGN mentions are completely separate points. I just don't think that it reads as well being mixed up like this. Fieryninja (talk) 12:12, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh I see, you can separate that in another paragraph.  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 12:16, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, congrats on your first GA article.  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 12:18, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe it would work if I restore the order but reduce the number of paragraphs down? Fieryninja (talk) 12:19, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Having one by one paragraph at reception turns reader off. Even Cukie disliked it when she reviewed one of my articles  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 12:26, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It is strange that Wikipedia doesn't use standard paragraph formatting but as I say I think we can compromise on about three, as you have already done that yourself. Large walls of text also can put readers off. Fieryninja (talk) 12:35, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I think it can be doable for you to put it back in order, but reduce the paragraph and I think it should be fine.  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 12:37, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, I guess it works unlike the character articles.  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 12:38, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

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 :: Michael T. Babcock

I'm a married canadian pentecostal theology student working in computer science, specializing in software and database design on Linux systems.

I have a fascination will all things intellectual and as an INTJ (see MBTI), that is probably normal.

I'll forewarn everyone editing what I write -- I try to stay neutral but like everyone, I have a P.O.V. on many things, hopefully they're not evident in my submissions and copy editing. I enjoy writing and can be a bit of a perfectionist so I'll just edit anything I see as being stated less than accurately.

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 :: On Losing a Son

(This will receive much revision -- this is simply a cross-post of something I wrote to another user)

For what its worth (in response to comments you made on my talk page), my wife is an OTC carrier, a rare X chromosome linked genetic disorder. With our first child, we had an amnio done and received our genetic screening results back from Yale that said she (we already knew we were having a girl) was not a carrier. She is now two years old and a little princess.

With our second, almost a year ago however, we received word back that he was in fact a carrier -- he had the same markers as my wife, and as a result would almost definitely die within three days of birth.

We had already both decided that we would carry the pregnancy to term and enjoy the life we were given for whatever time we had, no matter the result. The results gave us time to come to terms with what would happen that December (right before Christmas, 2003). He (Colin Isaac Babcock) was born at Mt. Sinai hospital in Toronto, Ontario which has excellent facilities and where we'd had all of our pre-screening work done (See their website for more information).

The doctors were incredible and very kind and compassionate. They were all inspired by our decision to have the baby and enjoy our time with him and allow him to enjoy his time with us. I said at the funeral for him that "he had a better life than most; he met his entire family, was held and hugged and loved for his entire albeit short life and never had to suffer the loss of friends or family the way we all will. He didn't know his life should have been longer and didn't suffer any more than any other dying person.  We all eventually die, and someone eventually mourns our loss.  At least he had an incredible three days, and we all got to enjoy him for that time."

As someone who's been through such a situation and still discusses it with his wife from time to time, and still takes time to cry about it too, I don't believe abortions are necessary in many cases that people think they are necessary in. I don't believe most people use abortion as a last resort but rather as an easy out. I wish I could get out of debts or heavy traffic on the 401 as easily as one can get out of pregnancy these days. How's that for a POV? ;-)

That's why availability isn't what bothers me -- its misinformation and indoctrination (in either direction) that I find troublesome.

Anyway, that's where I'm coming from.

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Hiroyuki Imaishi

Hiroyuki Imaishi (今石 洋之) is a Japanese anime director, animator and co-founder of Studio Trigger. His style is marked by fast and frantic animation combined with elaborate storyboarding and punchy direction. Prior to founding Trigger, he was an animator and director at Gainax. His most well-known works include Gurren Lagann (2007), Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt (2010), Kill la Kill (2013), Promare (2019), and Cyberpunk: Edgerunners (2022).

Early career
After drawing the manga for the doujinshi circle, Imaishi worked as a creator. He worked at Gainax in 1995 as an in-between animator for Neon Genesis Evangelion. Some of his early works include animation direction, storyboarding and key animation for Kare Kano (His and Her Circumstances), FLCL, Diebuster, Oval X Over, and the ending animation of Paradise Kiss. He went on to direct Dead Leaves, a 2004 anime film produced by Production I.G. and the first episode of Re: Cutie Honey.

Director
His series director debut was Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (2007). The anime received an Excellence Prize at the 2007 Japan Media Arts Festival, and Imaishi himself received an individual award at the twelfth Animation Kobe Festival. In 2008, the anime received both "best television production" and "best character design" from the Tokyo International Anime Fair. Later he went on to work as director in the anime series, Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt. His main influence of being an animator and director are Yoshinori Kanada and his works, in which all his anime titles such as Dead Leaves, Gurren Lagann and Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt pay special tributes to him and his art. Imaishi left Gainax and established Studio Trigger in 2011. His first directorial work at the studio is Kill la Kill. He directed the opening for season 2 of Black Dynamite.

Director

 * Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi (2002) (episode 3)
 * Dead Leaves (2004)
 * Re: Cutie Honey (2004) (episode 1)
 * Oval x Over (2005)
 * Gurren Lagann (2007)
 * Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt (2010)
 * Kill la Kill (2013)
 * Japan Animator Expo (2015) ("Sex & Violence with Machspeed")
 * Space Patrol Luluco (2016)
 * Promare (2019)
 * Star Wars: Visions (2021) ("The Twins")
 * Cyberpunk: Edgerunners (2022)
 * New Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt (2025)

Other

 * Neon Genesis Evangelion (1995) In-Between Animator
 * Kare Kano (His and Her Circumstances) (1998) Storyboard, Key Animator, Animation Director, Script (ep. 19)
 * Medabots (1999) Animation Director (episode 14), Key Animator
 * FLCL (2000) Animation Director (episode 5)
 * PaRappa the Rapper (2001) Ending Animation Director (ED1)
 * Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) Key Animator (episodes 4, 22)
 * Musashi: Samurai Legend (2005)
 * Namco × Capcom (2005) Animation Supervisor, Storyboard, Animation Producer, Director, Animation Character Design, Art Supervisor, Key Animation
 * Redline (2009) Key Animator
 * Black Rock Shooter (2012) Director (CG Battle)
 * Inferno Cop (2012) Supervisor
 * Ninja Slayer (2015) Character Designer
 * OK K.O.! Let's Be Heroes (2017) Storyboard Artist for opening titles
 * BNA: Brand New Animal (2020), Storyboard Artist (episode 5)

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User talk:XidefiX

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Hello,, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place  on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! --DarkEvil 15:03, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
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Greetings
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Criticisms of Charismatic and Pentecostal belief
Thanks so much for your input on this article. I was hoping that someone could come along from a pro-Pentecostal POV to balance out some of the things that I was putting in. I would really appreciate some more lengthy defenses of the P/C position against many of the charges laid in the article. Check out the discussion page because when I first created the page there was a major discussion on the Vote For Deletion page about it. One Salient Oversight 22:34, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the very intelligent discussion thus far. I have every intention of trying to balance out the articles that reflect on Pentecostalism. I'm actually debating how to differentiate between Pentecostal belief systems. Oneness for example is already well distinguished as being seperate from 'regular' Pentecostalism but several other factors are not so well documented on the Wiki. For example, as a member of the PAOC here in Canada, I am what is often refered to as a Calvinist pentecostal, and the institution I studied at was very strong on both biblical theology and proper exegesis. --MtB 04:17, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)

User assistance
--Marcie 12:47, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)Thank you for your suggestion to go through the tutorioal page (your talk page appears to have good links). I've actually gone through it several times, although it has been a while. I DO have to go through it concerning the linking (its one of my weak areas generally). I did go through it extensively and talk with stewacide about how to write less like a university paper and more like a encyclopedia.

In terms of keeping new information short...i had the information (except for tiny bits) that i wanted to include on the discussion page for several months with little comment. If folks are commenting on it then how am i to work it? Edit amounts small enough that people that follow the page notice? (not meant sacastically...just kinda confused)Put the possible edit up in the discussion page?

I will try to keep stuff smaller. That is a weakness of mine. Thanks for the links + suggestion M.

--Marcie 13:22, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)I went through the tutorial that seemed appropriate. I could now do external links, but i don't understand the information on how to do internal links. Additonally i don't have a straight vertical line key that seems to be used. Links have always been my weekest point. I know the abortion page (general) has the definition of Chemical Abortion, but all the ways i've tried to link it to Chemical Abortion in the Abortion page in Canada have failed. Help? -- Marcie

You should consider changing fonts in your browser for one, I'm not sure if you mean the vertical bar or the square brackets (the square brackets can appear to be vertical bars in some fonts). However, the vertical bar is usually on US-104 key keyboards as shift-\, above or near the ENTER and Backspace keys. On french-canadian keyboards you will have to hunt around for it as I can't recall where it is as I believe the keys in question are usually { and } unfortunately. It is possible in Windows however to change keyboard layouts as well. If all else fails, edit a page, find the vertical bar, highlight and copy it with Edit, Copy or Ctrl-C (in Windows) then paste it where necessary in your own writing.

That said, the vertical bar is not usually for linking. To link the word "Computer" to the article "Computer", you simply wrap it in double square brackets, resulting in Computer (see the source of any page while editing for examples). The vertical bar is only necessary if the article you're linking to uses a different wording than you do. In the case of chemical abortion, the vertical bar is completely unnecessary as the article is in fact named that way. Simply put the double openning square brackets before "chemical" and two closing square brackets after "abortion" in your writing and it will be linked. Use the preview button to see if it worked.

Also, as I mentionned before, since multiple people can be editing a page at a time, consider keeping your changes to longer articles short and specific to one area at a time. This way changes can be viewed independantly and reviewers will be able to edit your initial comments while you're writing new ones. Also remember the neutral point of view (NPOV) considerations of writing in an encyclopedia project, especially for controversial subjects like abortion. --MtB 15:16, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)

I'm starting to get the linking thing working. I can at least link common words now ;-) to articles, and i'm starting to see the pattern about how you can redirect something. You were right about where the | was, except on mine its the capital of the \ key. I actually use an American Keyboard, otherwise i'd go in to the Canadian abortion page and put some accents on the e in Hebert (i'd check but i'm pretty sure it has one....grammar rule although names can be exceptions.) On the POV thing. I've been trying to keep it neutral but i appreciate the heads up. I don't have time to rework it right now, but i'll put that into my thoughts (and i'm trying to do it smaller by smaller section although that is creating a huge list of minor changes....guess  you can't fix everything.)

I guess the thing was i wanted to try and get the page up to speed (it had kinda gone nowhere for months when my computer was out of wack and then i forgot about WIKI until i tried to look something up after the American Presidential Debate (wierd how stuff pops up eh?) In fact i have issues with abortions and genetic testing. I think i was the only feminist in my feminist philosphy class (who wasn't Catholic...and even a lot of the Catholics agreed) who thought at times there should be a limit to abortion (say sex selection). People pointed out to me was i going to bar the door. Well no...so my position changed to some tests should maybe not be available and the community should decide. I'm assuming you are likely Canadian, maybe American? Its common here for people to have an abortion on a fetus with Down's Syndrom (which i think is pushing it somewhat) but it gets wierder if you go to the UK where it fairly common to have testing and consider an abortion over Turner's Syndrom or Kleinfelters (likely spelled wrong). Both mean you can't have kids, and Turner's mean you are more susceptible to genetic problem because you are female but only one X gene....but aside from that what i've studied of it (we did it under wierd combo's you were told couldn't happen before when i was in Grade 13 Biology although i'd come across it already) the only other problem is that there may be a need for chemicals to get you through puberty. I don't know anyone in Canada or the US that talks about it.....so its wierd to see it in Britain.

I guess all this to say i wanted to clean up the page and then work on some of those issues. Especially since i'm not sure how to put those in without a POV but i would think they would be worth discussing. Getting an accurate article on Abortion definetely came first (and i've been doing a bit of this and that too). I don't particularly want to preach here (i can do that elsewhere)...and i'm writing this to you...not as an article. I thought since you were bringing up POV you might be able to give me an idea of how you approach the issue of genetic testing without coming out looking like you have a POV on one side or the other. Here i think it would just be useful to give people information on the topic and let them make up their own minds...but the info isn't often available. Heck most people don't know there is a 1% miscarage rate every time you do amnioscentisis (likely misspelled) although that doesn't mean you should skip it either....i'm surprised people don't know though. Any ideas? I can find the stuff on my page now i think on my talk page...i'll keep an eye on it or you could just give me a quick heads up (i'm getting this slowly but surely). --Marcie 00:59, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I want to thank you for sharing with me the story of your son's Colin Isaac Babcock's life and the experience for you and your wife and your family. What you said at his funeral is undoubtably true...he was loved and cared for obviously hugely. The decision your family may have made might be different these days but it is just as valid as any other decions, in fact i think it took a lot of guts (i'm sure you had pressure to decide otherwise, if only from how society often views things). I'm touched you shared it with me and thank you. Its also nice to know that there was a good hospital out there that was supportive...i'll maybe answer back a little bit later but its obvious that your family made the right choice for themselves. I can't say what my decision would be, but i want to keep it so that people CAN make the decision that your familiy did. (ie the right NOT to have to have an abortion regardless of tests and such).And it sounds like the tests were still useful to you...someone i knew got tested when they had a child for Down's....because they wanted to prepare if their child had it, not to stop the pregnancy. It was the first time i'd really heard someone say that. And it sounds like it was useful information for you to have and then decide what to do with--Marcie 00:52, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Wikimedia Canada
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Anthocharis limonea

Anthocharis limonea, the Mexican orangetip, is a butterfly of the subfamily Pierinae mostly found in Mexico and the southwestern United States.

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Mount Girouard

Mount Girouard is the highest peak of the Fairholme Range in Banff National Park, Alberta, Canada. Mt. Girouard is located in the Bow River valley south of Lake Minnewanka.

The mountain was named in 1904 after Sir Édouard Girouard, a railway builder in Africa during the rule of the British Empire.

Geology
Mount Girouard is composed of sedimentary rock laid down during the Precambrian to Jurassic periods. Formed in shallow seas, this sedimentary rock was pushed east and over the top of younger rock during the Laramide orogeny.

Climate
Based on the Köppen climate classification, Mount Girouard is located in a subarctic climate with cold, snowy winters, and mild summers. Temperatures can drop below −20 C with wind chill factors below −30 C. Precipitation runoff from the mountain drains into the Bow River.

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Logarithmic chart of solar system objects by volumetric mean radius. I created this in Excel using the data in the Solar system by size page. Some entries have now been added to that page that are not in this chart. --Doradus 04:20, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)

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North American XB-28 Dragon

The North American XB-28 (NA-63) was an aircraft proposed by North American Aviation to fill a strong need in the United States Army Air Corps for a high-altitude medium bomber. It never entered production, with only two prototypes being built.

Design and development

The order for a high-altitude medium bomber was put out on 13 February 1940; the XB-28 first flew on 26 April 1942. The XB-28 was based on North American Aviation's highly successful B-25 Mitchell, but as it evolved it became a completely new design, much more reminiscent of the Martin B-26 Marauder. The overall configuration of the B-25 and XB-28 were fairly similar; the most important distinction was that the twin tail of the B-25 was changed to a single tail on the XB-28. It was among the first combat aircraft with a pressurized cabin.

The XB-28 proved an excellent design, with significantly better performance than that of the B-25, but it was never put into production. High-altitude bombing was hampered significantly by factors such as clouds and wind, which were frequent occurrences in the Pacific. At the same time, medium bombers were becoming much more effective at lower altitudes. The gains in aircraft performance that came with high-altitude flight were not considered sufficient to justify switching from low-altitude bombing.

In recent years, the name "Dragon" has been attributed to the XB-28. However, this name is not used in any contemporary accounts, or by the U.S. Air Force Museum site; it was almost unheard of, in that era, for an aircraft to receive an official nickname before a production order was place, and the Douglas B-23 Dragon was already in service with the same name.

Testing and evaluation
Even though the Army Air Forces rejected the XB-28 as a bomber, they ordered another prototype. Designated XB-28A, it was meant to explore the possibility of use as a reconnaissance aircraft. The XB-28A crashed into the Pacific Ocean off Southern California after the crew bailed out on 4 August 1943.

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Wisconsin v. Yoder

Wisconsin v. Jonas Yoder, 406 U.S. 205 (1972), is the case in which the United States Supreme Court found that Amish children could not be placed under compulsory education past 8th grade. The parents' fundamental right to freedom of religion was determined to outweigh the state's interest in educating their children. The case is often cited as a basis for parents' right to educate their children outside of traditional private or public schools.

Like Sherbert v. Verner, the Court in Yoder required the government accommodate religious exercise by applying strict scrutiny to a neutral law that burdened religious exercise. Yoder differs from Sherbert v. Verner because the compulsory school attendance law was non-discriminatory and did not include a mechanism for individualized exemptions. Later, in Employment Division v. Smith Justice Antonin Scalia wrote that Yoder involved a "hybrid right" composed of parental rights and free exercise.

The Amish, who prevailed in the case, were represented by William Ball.

Background of the case
Three Amish students from three different families stopped attending the New Glarus High School in the New Glarus, Wisconsin, school district at the end of the eighth grade because of their parents' religious beliefs. The three families were represented by Jonas Yoder (one of the fathers involved in the case) when the case went to trial. They were convicted in the Green County Court. Each defendant was fined the nominal sum of $5. Thereafter the Wisconsin Supreme Court found in Yoder's favor. Thereupon, Wisconsin appealed that ruling in the US Supreme Court.

The Amish did not believe in going to court to settle disputes but instead follow the biblical command to "turn the other cheek." Thus, the Amish are at a disadvantage when it comes to defending themselves in courts or before legislative committees. However, a Lutheran minister, Reverend William C. Lindholm, took an interest in Amish legal difficulties from a religious freedom perspective and founded The National Committee for Amish Religious Freedom (partly as a result of this case) and then provided them with legal counsel.

Under Amish church standards, "higher" education (beyond the 8th grade) was deemed not only unnecessary for their simple way of life, but also endangering to their salvation. These men appealed for exemption from compulsory education on the basis of these religious convictions. They sincerely held to the belief that the values their children would learn at home would surpass the worldly knowledge taught in school.

Court's decision
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of Yoder in its decision. Justice William O. Douglas filed a partial dissent, but voted with the court regarding Yoder's case. Justices Lewis F. Powell, Jr. and William H. Rehnquist took no part in the consideration or decision of the case.

The Wisconsin Supreme Court "sustained respondents' claim that application of the compulsory school-attendance law to them violated their rights under the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment, made applicable to the States by the Fourteenth Amendment."

The U.S. Supreme Court held as follows:

 * 1) States cannot force individuals to attend school when it infringes on their First Amendment rights. In this case, the state of Wisconsin interfered with the practice of a legitimate religious belief.
 * 2) Not all beliefs rise to the demands of the religious clause of the First Amendment. There needs to be evidence of true and objective religious practices, instead of an individual making his or her standards on such matters. The Amish way of life is one of deep religious convictions that stems from the Bible. It is determined by their religion, which involves their rejection of worldly goods and their living in the Biblical simplicity. The modern compulsory secondary education is in sharp conflict with their way of life.
 * 3) With respect to the State of Wisconsin's argument that additional modern education beyond 8th grade is necessary to prepare citizens to participate effectively and productively in America's political system, the Court disagreed. It argued that the State provided no evidence showing any great benefit to having two extra years in the public schools. Furthermore, the Court contended that the Amish community was a very successful social unit in American society, a self-sufficient, law-abiding member of society, which paid all of the required taxes and rejected any type of public welfare. The Amish children, upon leaving the public school system, continued their education in the form of vocational training.
 * 4) The Court found no evidence that by leaving the Amish community without two additional years of schooling, young Amish children would become burdens on society. To the contrary, the Court argued that they had good vocational background to rely upon. It was the State's mistaken assumption that Amish children were ignorant. Compulsory education after elementary school was a recent movement that developed in the early 20th century in order to prevent child labor and keep children of certain ages in school. The State of Wisconsin's arguments about compelling the school attendance were therefore less substantial.
 * 5) Responding to Justice Douglas's dissent, the Court argued that the question before it was about the interests of the parents to exercise free religion, and did not relate to the child's First Amendment's rights. As such, the argument pertaining to the child's right to exercise free religion was irrelevant in this case.

Justice Potter Stewart, joined by Justice William J. Brennan, Jr., filed a concurring opinion stating that the "interesting and important" questions raised by Justice Douglas' dissent were moot since the Amish children shared their parents' religious objections to the school attendance.

Justice Byron White, joined by Justices Brennan and Stewart, filed a concurring opinion saying the case "would be a very different case" if the parents forbade their children from "attending any school at any time and from complying in any way with the educational standards set by the State"; he pointed out that the burden on the children was relatively slight since they had acquired "the basic tools of literacy to survive in modern society" and had attended eight grades of school.

Dissenting opinion
Justice William O. Douglas, who dissented in part, wrote:

"I agree with the Court that the religious scruples of the Amish are opposed to the education of their children beyond the grade schools, yet I disagree with the Court's conclusion that the matter is within the dispensation of parents alone. The Court's analysis assumes that the only interests at stake in the case are those of the Amish parents on the one hand, and those of the State on the other. The difficulty with this approach is that, despite the Court's claim, the parents are seeking to vindicate not only their own free exercise claims, but also those of their high-school-age children ...

On this important and vital matter of education, I think the children should be entitled to be heard. While the parents, absent dissent, normally speak for the entire family, the education of the child is a matter on which the child will often have decided views. He may want to be a pianist or an astronaut or an oceanographer. To do so he will have to break from the Amish tradition.

It is the future of the student, not the future of the parents, that is imperiled by today's decision. If a parent keeps his child out of school beyond the grade school, then the child will be forever barred from entry into the new and amazing world of diversity that we have today. The child may decide that that is the preferred course, or he may rebel. It is the student's judgment, not his parents', that is essential if we are to give full meaning to what we have said about the Bill of Rights and of the right of students to be masters of their own destiny. If he is harnessed to the Amish way of life by those in authority over him and if his education is truncated, his entire life may be stunted and deformed. The child, therefore, should be given an opportunity to be heard before the State gives the exemption which we honor today."

Legacy of the Court's decision
The ruling is cited as a basis for allowing people to be educated outside traditional private or public schools, such as with homeschooling.

The implications of the case for the Amish were characterized by one author as:

"Since Wisconsin v. Yoder, all states must grant the Old Order Amish the right to establish their own schools (should they choose) or to withdraw from public institutions after completing eighth grade. In some communities Amish parents have continued to send their children to public elementary schools even after Wisconsin v. Yoder. In most places tensions eased considerably after the Supreme Court ruling, although certain difficulties remained for those Amish living in Nebraska."

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Fuzzy associative matrix

A fuzzy associative matrix expresses fuzzy logic rules in tabular form. These rules usually take two variables as input, mapping cleanly to a two-dimensional matrix, although theoretically a matrix of any number of dimensions is possible. From the perspective of neuro-fuzzy systems, the mathematical matrix is called a "Fuzzy associative memory" because it stores the weights of the perceptron.

Applications
In the context of game AI programming, a fuzzy associative matrix helps to develop the rules for non-player characters. Suppose a professional is tasked with writing fuzzy logic rules for a video game monster. In the game being built, entities have two variables: hit points (HP) and firepower (FP):

This translates to:

IF MonsterHP IS VeryLowHP AND MonsterFP IS VeryWeakFP THEN Retreat IF MonsterHP IS LowHP AND MonsterFP IS VeryWeakFP THEN Retreat IF MonsterHP IS MediumHP AND MonsterFP is VeryWeakFP THEN Defend

Multiple rules can fire at once, and often will, because the distinction between "very low" and "low" is fuzzy. If it is more "very low" than it is low, then the "very low" rule will generate a stronger response. The program will evaluate all the rules that fire and use an appropriate defuzzification method to generate its actual response.

An implementation of this system might use either the matrix or the explicit IF/THEN form. The matrix makes it easy to visualize the system, but it also makes it impossible to add a third variable just for one rule, so it is less flexible.

Identify a rule set
There is no inherent pattern in the matrix. It appears as if the rules were just made up, and indeed they were. This is both a strength and a weakness of fuzzy logic in general. It is often impractical or impossible to find an exact set of rules or formulae for dealing with a specific situation. For a sufficiently complex game, a mathematician would not be able to study the system and figure out a mathematically accurate set of rules. However, this weakness is intrinsic to the realities of the situation, not of fuzzy logic itself. The strength of the system is that even if one of the rules is wrong, even greatly wrong, other rules that are correct are likely to fire as well and they may compensate for the error.

This does not mean a fuzzy system should be sloppy. Depending on the system, it might get away with being sloppy, but it will underperform. While the rules are fairly arbitrary, they should be chosen carefully. If possible, an expert should decide on the rules, and the sets and rules should be tested vigorously and refined as needed. In this way, a fuzzy system is like an expert system. (Fuzzy logic is used in many true expert systems, as well.)

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Talk:Lakas–CMD (1991)

Merger
I think the Lakas-Kampi-CMD article should be merge with this article.. since this party is the surviving entity and no matter what.. people will still call the new party as Lakas anyway rather than Kampi.. peads (talk)

LAKAS Website
Does the party have an official website? And where is the address of their headquarters? John earlm 14:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

2010 List
I added this since this is called the floaters, so that the surveys would include these: House Speaker Prospero Nograles, Lakas-CMD president released on June 2, 2008, its tentative 2010 senatorial elections line-up: • Senator Ramon “Bong” Revilla, Jr. • Senator Manuel “Lito” Lapid • Agriculture Secretary Arthur Yap • Health Secretary Francisco Duque III • Metropolitan Manila Development Authority chairman Bayani Fernando • Quezon City Mayor Feliciano “Sonny” Belmonte • Representative Ed Zialcita, 1st District Parañaque • Representative Edcel Lagman, 1st District Albay • Representative Monico Puentevella, Bacolod City • Former senator Ralph Recto • Former representative Prospero Pichay • Representative Art Defensor, Iloilo • Former Ilocos Sur governor Luis “Chavit” Singson • Optical Media Board chairman Edu Manzano • Representative Abraham Baham Mitra, 2nd District Palawan • Former presidential chief of staff Michael DefensorInquirer.net, Lakas-CMD bares tentative senatorial line-up for 2010--Florentino floro (talk) 10:09, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Eoomomic views
Whats this parties ecomimic postions?--J intela (talk) 23:18, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved. No opposition for two weeks. Jenks24 (talk) 11:26, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Lakas ng Tao – Christian Muslim Democrats → Lakas–CMD – It's quite easy to note that absolutely (almost) no one calls this party as "Lakas ng Tao – Christian Muslim Democrats". It's always "Lakas–CMD". If "CMD" is too ambiguous, it can be spelled out to "Christian Muslim Democrats."
 * (Note: As an erstwhile participant to the "Dash Wars", I'm not sure which dash/hyphen is appropriate.) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 04:48, 5 July 2012 (UTC) – H T  D  06:09, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
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Wikipedia apparently has no coverage of the history of the Christian Democratic Socialist Movement of Raul Manglapus from its 1968 founding to its renaming as the National Union of Christian Democrats prior to its merger with Lakas. This is a bit confusing. - Thundersub (talk) 04:04, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

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Citation style
I'm be trying to work this article for a possible GA nomination (depending on how much I do), and will be making some changes to the existing revision. For starters, would anyone be opposed to a transition to parenthetical references? The first issue that I observe here is that both parenthetical and ref tags are present, warranting a change to a consistent citation style for this article. BreadBuddy (talk) 13:46, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

 * There was a consistent style. Why not stick with that? As far as GA goes, it likely won't happen: it has been mooted before, and indeed I am by far the major contributor to the article, but it never quite hits the mark. Believe me, if I thought it was GA stuff I would have taken it there years ago, not hopped on to someone else's work. - Sitush (talk) 13:59, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

 * If you feel that I am trying to hop on your work here and pass it on as GA, you can have my assurance that I will be doing much to expand and reorganize the article. Regarding the citation style, the source code shows both ref style and parenthetical references as of the current revision. Can you please clarify of the consistent style you are referring to?BreadBuddy (talk) 14:43, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

 * You misunderstand CITEVAR. That is about consistent output, ie: not the source code but rather what that code renders. That's the lesson WP:FA teaches, anyway.

 * As for expanding/reorganising the article, well, I can't stop you trying but if you don't propose it here first there is a fair chance that things will be reverted. There is a long, long history here with which I suspect you are unfamiliar. An awful lot of things have been tried/proposed before and if they were worth it then they're already in the thing; the chances of you proposing anything radically different are slim to none, in my opinion, but feel free.

 * You might think this is arrogant of me but that is not the intent: it is simply the reality. The reality is also that this article has been the target of massive sockfarms and pov-pushing etc over the years, involving death threats and the like at times. It has never been ready for GA and likely never will be, although a trawl through my own talk page should pick up a naive comment from me perhaps a decade ago when I did ponder the idea., by the way, also did much here back then, although they drifted away from caste stuff and have only recently returned to it. The topic area is toxic, hence the sanctions in place. - Sitush (talk) 15:13, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

 * Oh, and parenthetical referencing is rarely used so why do you think it would be better than the more common variants? - Sitush (talk) 15:17, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

 * Actually, I wonder if you mean Harvard style refs, eg: sfnp, when you refer to parenthetical referencing. It's the only thing I can think of that makes sense. However, take a look at one of my FAs - William Beach Thomas - and you will see that it is perfectly ok to present citations as we currently do here. I would agree that those sources here which are cited multiple times should be converted to something similar to sfnp and I would also agree that converting the old style of rendering Harvard to sfnp might make things a little easier to maintain. The sources which are cited once, however, need not be changed and one thing I have learned the hard way is that Harvard style citations confuse the heck out of many contributors anyway, so less may actually be better than more. - Sitush (talk) 15:45, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

 * If this article is as dangerous as you say it is, then I will certainly take caution. When I looked at the edit history, I found that this article had been subject to five edits this year (most recent from February), with two of them being minor edits and the other three being from you; so I am under the impression that this article was not under any ongoing controversy or day to day changes as of recently.

 * Anyway, parenthetical references just refers to any type of citation that involves parentheses; the most recognized method being the Harvard method in which author-date and page number are presented. So yes, Harvard refs can be a type of parenthetical reference. Now the issue we are trying to resolve is that the article lacks a consistent style of referencing. Coming back to what you said earlier, WP:CITEVAR does not specify anything relating to consistent output. In fact, it states that having one consistent style on an article with inconsistent citation styles (e.g., some of the citations in footnotes and others as parenthetical references) is an improvement because it makes the citations easier to understand and edit.

 * The bottom line is, the article needs one or the other. It's also mentioned at WP:PAREN that if parenthetical references are used, then the article cannot use the other style. The reason I've proposed this is because the article already has parenthetical references, and it has the advantage of removing the clutter from all the templates. Not to mention that the full citation need only be given once (no matter how many references there are to it). BreadBuddy (talk) 16:55, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

 * If you believe that parenthetical referencing is too complicated, I am willing to reach a consensus by choosing the other citation style. The styles more or less boil down to preference as there are pros and cons to both. BreadBuddy (talk) 17:02, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

 * BreadBuddy, you need to do a lot more reading if you think this article is stable/not controversial. The only reason there have been so few edits recently is because it is under pretty draconian edit restrictions and you need to understand why that is so before you start throwing around statements about wanting to expand it big time and reorganise etc. A bull in a china shop style is the last thing we need here. What exactly are you trying to achieve with the content? It does look like someone coming along to put a bit of polish on something and take a lot of kudos away for doing it, especially since you have no past involvement and clearly very little understanding of the background.

 * I've got doubts that you actually understand the implications of the various citation styles also. I do know that if I was starting over at this article, a Harvard style is the last thing I would select because it really doesn't work well with people who often have trouble forming any sort of citation. As for your interpretation of CITEVAR, well, you are welcome to interpret it that way but you're not interpreting it in the manner that happens at WP:FA, as I have indicated with the William Beach Thomas article. FA is a stricter venue than GA when it comes to policies and guidelines and, ultimately, it is the process to which all articles should aspire. If FA says the style used at the WBT article is ok, then it is ok here too. - Sitush (talk) 17:39, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

 * In fact, your work at History of the Punjab, which you have also nominated for GA, is a very good example of the problems that new contributors tend to have with Harvard-style cites. There are at least 30 reference errors at that article, not to mention a bunch of poor phrasing. It has no chance of passing GA as it stands and we certainly do not need those sort of problems importing into as sensitive an article as this one. I think you are chasing stars, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 17:51, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * For now I'm going to table the referencing issue, as you feel that the references are fine as is. I'll do some reading and come back to it if need be. My referencing work on the History of the Punjab is not relevant to this article, and if it fails GA, I'll learn from what I did wrong and apply it here and elsewhere; but this does not mean that I am not allowed to go for a GA on this article. BreadBuddy (talk) 18:13, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Your ability to form citations etc elsewhere in the recent past is very relevant to what you propose here, especially your belief that those efforts were somehow an improvement. As for the rest, I'm going to leave a note at your talk page. It is only advisory - I'm not saying you are overstepping but you do need to be aware that this is a tricky topic area. - Sitush (talk) 18:21, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Image revert
You can’t revert me with the reason of the picture ‘having consensus’.

Anyway, | there was a discussion in 2013 in which there was clear consensus that the image would be replaced. I think, you were invoked in the discussion and had agreed that you had ‘little interest for images’. About a year later around the November of 2014, the image was added again by an editor. This was against that very clear consensus, but you did not revert the editor. It’s been there to this day, which I guess means that this is the consensus you’re talking about. However, that’s not the main point here. The lead image shows a half naked | adolescent girl. Removing the picture is not about preference, its about the fact that it’s a very poor choice to include in the article, especially the lead. The following policy and guideline agree.

 * Though Wikipedia is not censored, MOS:SHOCKVALUE says that the lead image should be selected with care. It states that the lead image should follow the principle of least shock. A naked child, out of all images, definitely has shock value.
 * This may have been the dress of the time, which is totally fine. But the problem is that this image should not be in a highly controversial, high traffic article like this one when we have many alternatives that already serve the same purpose as WP:GRATUITOUS states. BBuddy (talk) 18:00, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

 * I still have little interest in images. I have a great deal of interest in the amount of socking that has gone on here over the years, however, and the howls of protest at every perceived slight. You seem to be pandering to that with many of your recent edits, which is concerning for obvious reasons. There have also been numerous discussions about that image and, indeed, about many things: if it doesn't make the Nairs look good, they don't want it in. - Sitush (talk) 18:07, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Well first of all, if you want to discuss my recent edits, I'd be more than happy to do that. However, this section is about image use. I can assure you that I'm not here to glorify or degrade the Nairs, but you're breaking good faith with these accusations. I'm going to ask you to stop making this discussion personal. BBuddy (talk) 18:18, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * It wasn't my intention to make it personal. I was setting out the history of the development of this article. Historically, when someone turns up and started making big, often sanitising/glorifying edits and concentrating on other Nair related articles, they almost invariably tended to come from one of the sockfarms. That's a fact; that's why the big notice is at the top of this page; and in large part it was the problems with this article that lead to the sanctions regime for castes being instigated. It is also what you seem to be doing, so you can't really be surprised if it brings back bad memories of duplicitous time-wasters and pov-pushers etc, not to forget the stuff that happened off-wiki.
 * Do what you want. I'm not in a fit state to argue the toss at the moment and am already fighting fires elsewhere when I'm not supposed to be doing for health reasons and wanted to avoid. It would probably be better if I take another break, as I did until Christmas, and then review changes etc when I return. - Sitush (talk) 19:24, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * It's your opinion if you interpret something as degrading or glorifying. I will continue to stick to high-quality sources say for any statements that I happen to add. Furthermore, I have and will continue to give solid explanatons to back up the edits that I make. I knew the topic was controversial so I either have given clear policy based reasonings or have called out obvious misrepresentations. In addition to this, I have added many inline citations to avoid controversy and distortions.

 * While editing the article, I read through a lot of the archived talk pages on this article to make sure that I don't introduce problems that were already fixed in the article. Some discussions involved pov drivers who would accuse you of pursuing an anti-Nair agenda. I'm sure that for a well meaning editor like yourself, those slurs were quite hurtful and exhausting. I ask that you stop implicitly trying to associate me with these sockfarms and pov drivers; its hurtful, breaks good faith, and it comes across as a red herring. Regardless, I hope you understand that I respect the edits you have done for this article and hope that you cease making our interactions personal. BBuddy (talk) 21:46, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Edit request at WP:RFP
This has been posted at WP:RFP: "Edit-request: Please change the section title Polyandry to Polygamy and the main page link to Polygamy in India, because it talks about polygamy, not exclusively about polyandry, read the section. 2409:4073:211E:2145:942C:4A16:91A5:C3F4 (talk) 13:29, 1 December 2020 (UTC)".

As this talk-page is protected, I just drop this here; no comment on the merits. Lectonar (talk) 08:15, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

title ambiguity
There seem to be references to "Nair" as castes, as an ethnic group, as a surname, and as a dialect. Is this article supposed to be a broad-concept article about this? In either case, there also seems to be a persistent ambiguity with meanings at Nair (disambiguation), most of which seems to be about a consumer product in the US. I've disambiguated links from the template namespace to be able to analyze Special:WhatLinksHere/Nair better. --Joy (talk) 08:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:Nair