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Talk:Social justice

Article lead

 * That opening sentence is inconsistent, incoherent, confused, and generally dreadful. It needs to be thrown out entirely. 64.18.9.208 (talk) 02:32, 10 February 2021 (UTC)KZ

Surely someone can come up with a better definition of "social justice" that the current one in the lead sentence: "Social justice generally refers to the idea of creating a society or institution that is based on the principles of equality and solidarity, that understands and values human rights, and that recognizes the dignity of every human being."

 * "Refers" is a weak word here. (Don't tell us what SJ is about, tell us what it is.)
 * "Creating" a society or institution is surely not integral to it.
 * I'd wager it probably has something to do with justice in a society. But how is it distinguished from simple justice?

Also, does the current footnote 3, pointing to a Michigan bill designed to distinguish between birth and abortion, really belong in the lead sentence? I'm guessing this is a sign of some ideological wars that have transpired on this page. Surely a definition of social justice (the concept) can be formulated without applying it to each social issue. Frappyjohn (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:34, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * In the absence of any discussion (and the continued absence of a definition of the article's subject), I went ahead and inserted a simple, tautologous definition: "Social justice is justice exercised within a society, particularly as it is exercised by and among the various social classes of that society." Feel free to polish it, but keep it tautologous or add a citation. Thanks. Frappyjohn (talk) 10:10, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't know a lot about this subject, but I've got to say the new definition that was put in the lead is not very good. Basically, you've defined Social Justice by saying it is Justice in Society. This kind of goes against the general rule of "Don't use the word you're defining in the definition." I feel the older lead was better, but again, I'm not knowledgeable on the subject. Natt the Hatt (talk) 05:14, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Is part of the problem with definition the fact that SJ purports to be an objective standard yet is based on subjective views of what is just? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.228.205 (talk) 11:06, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Grassroots
Please read the sources provided dealing with the challenges of globalisation, please read the wikipedia article on Grassroots for more context and sourcing. Unless you can source that the drive for 'social justice' is not from the ground up, then you cannot overturn the wording by removing it or referencing things in your edit summaries that are not even mentioned. That the Democratic Party may reflect 'social justice', that members may identify as Democrats, or that support social justice is irrelevant to the statement. They are also a singular example, not necessarily a global one, which is driven by multiple socio-economic factors. Even if the Democrats were in fact an example of not being 'grassroot', the notion of a political party driving 'social justice' is not the nature of discussion within this article, which is specifically not about "political" forces (although the outcomes may themselves be political it is not necessarily a requirement). Koncorde (talk) 06:42, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

 * Only two of the sources (numbers 7 and 8, https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5cQDUWg9Kd8MTk1Qkp2b0ZaNDg/view and https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5cQDUWg9Kd8bERZaWVUVGRPLTA/view respectively) even mention grassroots. The sourced statement should be supported entirelly by all of the sources. Either 4, 5 and 6 are removed or the word grassroots is removed.--RohenTahir (talk) 21:32, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

 * That is not remotely how citing sources works. The other pieces are all talking about the same subject matter from the same pov. They do not need to mention the exact word (Wikipedia is supposed to reflect, but need not use exact language). There is also no evidence that you have presented in any sources to suggest that the there is a current global non-grassroot case being made. Koncorde (talk) 21:43, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

 * For evidence of a global non-grassroot cause being made, check the sources on all the pages for the Green Party(s), too lazy to copy and paste them all. It is a global initiative that, while decentralized, uses top-down decision making in each green party in each country.

Global: √ Movement: √ Goals are what the article says: √ Grassroot: X RohenTahir (talk) 22:14, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Please provide reliable sources for that opinion. Also your claim is the same as the statement I make in my first outline. That the Green party may reflect social justice ideals doesn't make them an example of global movements with a top down approach. I doubt very much you would even find a single source to indicate the Green parties have any such "top down" structure, and would be surprised if you found a "global" link between the parties. Koncorde (talk) 12:01, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Removed Uncited & Overbroad First Crit. Paragraph
Hey, all. I just removed the first paragraph of the Criticism section (which had been sitting there with a CN tag since 2016, and rightly so) and wanted to explain the removal. Here’s the paragraph I removed, for reference:

The biggest issue (after the paragraph not being cited) is that the paragraph is treating the metaethical views of a bunch of philosophers who think objective moral facts either don’t exist or are unknowable as if those views speak directly to social justice. It’s not false that if social justice is an ethical issue (it is) and if there are no knowable objective moral facts (as these metaethical views assert), then that would mean there are no knowable objective facts about social justice. But we need an explicit connection to be made. Treating these metaethical views as if they’re direct criticisms of social justice would be like treating the views of someone who believes we’re living in a simulation as if those views criticize evolutionary biology. An implication can be drawn, but not explicitly.

A less-important issue is that the author of the paragraph is subtly mischaracterizing many of these metaethical views so as to lump them all together as “anti-ethical facts” views. I can go into this in greater detail if anyone wants, but the linked Wiki pages do a pretty good job of showing the relevant differences between these views.

If anyone thinks this was a bad edit or wants to discuss this further, just let me know. Thanksforhelping (talk) 03:34, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Adding political correctness to the list of what's Social Justice
Can being politically correct (a 1980s-90s-2000s social trend) be compared to a social justice warrior instead of being more a civil rights activist (the Civil Rights Movement) to literally changed the law in this country back in the 1950s-60s-70s? There is history of racial integration and opposition to hatred of Jews (anti-semitism) in the 1920s, 30 and 40s, including laws granted women the right to vote and the rising unpopularity of the KKK because they targeted white ethnics and Catholics at the time. And in the 2020s going to continue onward to the 2030s and 40s, we should make the article mention social justice like the PC fad are moralizing society on how they view social minority groups, their legal status and the destigmatization of anyone "different", the intro page doesn't mention (or does it need to) PCness. Adinneli (talk) 17:29, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Social Justice has nothing to do with SJW or PC. Social justice is a concept. SJW is a pejorative. PC (and SJW) are both used primarily by critics of those that support whatever pet peeve is happening that week. Its relationship to Social Justice as a topic is rarely discussed. Koncorde (talk) 18:46, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. Yes, critics shout "that's being PC" or "you're a SJW radical extremist" when someone stated an action, custom and law should be abolished, abandoned and repealed if that is infringing a person's civil rights, freedoms and liberties is an attack of the social justice cause against the many forms of hate: bigotry, "bias" crimes, cultural appropriation: to steal from a sacred, sentimental and throughout history, prohibited or intolerated expression of one group's culture for the privileged group in power's personal, monetary and public or popular gain, defamation, discrimination, "Harm/Hurt" speech, humor or jokes, marginalization, scapegoating, (self) segregation if not in legal form (safe spaces by the minority in-group's area of choice), slurs or terms, stereotyping and stigmatization. In the 1990s, the critics stated "we can't say Negro, Colored or even Afro and Black global diaspora replaced the other two terms?" when we are addressing "African-Americans, persons of color or even Caribbean-Americans and Blak communities worldwide". Go back to the 1980s and there was a huge backlash against the "N-word", however in 2022, there's a consensus that the variation of the "N-word" muttered in pop culture music or within the in-group in different jest or context is reserved for people of color, but primarily to be used among African-Americans and anyone part-Black (it all depends if they're friends) or let's say Latinx, East plus South Asian, Middle Easterner, Native American, and Pacific Islander has a "N-word pass" a privilege they can't abuse. And I'll end this: the article already described social justice orgs or groups are more of being descendants of civil rights orgs or activism, to call them "politically correct" in the late 20th century was an attempt to delegitimize social justice against minority groups long denied the most basic or constitutional rights because the groups were Black, Jewish, Gay and/or Women (examples), though in my state CA US because they were Armenian, Chinese, Japanese, Mexican, Native American, and Pacific Islander. Adinneli (talk) 17:00, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

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Dharug

The Dharug or Darug people, are an Aboriginal Australian people, who share strong ties of kinship and, in pre-colonial times, lived as skilled hunters in family groups or clans, scattered throughout much of what is modern-day Sydney.

The Dharug were bounded by the Awabakal to the north of Broken Bay, the Darkinjung to the northwest, the Wiradjuri to the west on the eastern fringe of the Blue Mountains, the Gandangara to the southwest in the Southern Highlands, and the Tharawal to the southeast in the Illawarra area.

Dharug language
The Dharug language, now in a period of revitalisation, is generally considered one of two dialects, inland and coastal, constituting a single language. The word myall, a pejorative word in Australian dialect denoting any Aboriginal person who kept up a traditional way of life, originally came from the Dharug language term mayal, which denoted any person hailing from another tribe.

Country
Norman Tindale reckoned Dharug lands as encompassing 2300 mi2, taking in the mouth of the Hawkesbury River, and running inland as far as Mount Victoria. It took in the areas around Campbelltown, Liverpool, Camden, Penrith and Windsor.

Social organisation
Traditionally, there was a cultural divide between the inland Dharug and the coastal Dharug, katungal or "sea people". The latter built canoes, and their diet was primarily seafood, including fish and shellfish from Sydney Harbour, Botany Bay and their associated rivers. The inland Dharug were paiendra or tool people. They hunted kangaroos, emus and other land animals, and used stone axes more extensively.

Clans
The Dharug nation was divided up into a number of woodland clans who each tended to live in a certain geographic area. This area would also house descendant clans. Each clan typically included 50 to 100 people. According to James Kohen, the clans numbered 15, but more accurate records highlight 29 clans:

 * (1) Bediagal
 * (2) Bidjigal
 * (3) Boolbainora
 * (4) Buruberongal
 * (5) Burramattagal
 * (6) Cabrogal
 * (7) Cannemegal
 * (8) Cattai
 * (9) Gommerigal
 * (10) Kurrajong
 * (11) Mulgoa
 * (12) Murringong
 * (13) Tugagal
 * (14) Wandeandegal
 * (15) Warrawarry
 * (16) Kurrajong
 * (17) Carigal
 * (18) Cannalgal
 * (19) Borogegal
 * (20) Kayimai
 * (21) Terramerragal
 * (22) Cammeraigal
 * (23) Gorualgal
 * (24) Birrabirragal
 * (25) Cadigal
 * (26) Wallumattagal
 * (27) Wangal
 * (28) Muruoradial
 * (29) Kameygal

History of contact
By the late 1790s, the Hawkesbury River area was claimed by more than 400 British settlers. The farms made by the settlers were barriers to the river and to the food supply of the Dharug people, who were rightly upset by this invasion. The Dharug who crossed the farms to pick up corn were killed by the settlers, so they organized raids to burn the crops. The conflict scaled and in 1795 the government provided troops to protect the farms. The bodies of any Dharug killed were to be put in iron gibbets and hung from trees as a warning. In 1801, Governor King ordered troops to patrol farms on the Georges River and shoot any Dharug on sight. The guerrilla was so effective that in 1816 Governor Macquarie forbade Aboriginals to carry any weapons within two kilometres of a house or a town or to congregate in groups bigger than six. He also authorised settlers to establish vigilante groups and the creation of three new military outposts.

A group led by Pemulwuy made a daring raid on Parramatta, where he was severely wounded and fled. His band was accused of killing four settlers and falsely accused of raping women. The government issued orders for his capture, dead or alive. He was killed by two settlers in 1802, and his head was severed, pickled and dispatched by King to Sir Joseph Banks. To date Pemulwuy's head has not been returned and he has not had a proper burial. It is 'lost' in the British Museum in London. Pemulwuy's son, Tedbury, raided farms until 1810. Another famous raider was Mosquito. He led a group for two decades, until he was captured and hanged in Van Diemen's land in 1823.

Smallpox, introduced in 1789 by the British, wiped out up to 90% of the population in some areas. They lived in the natural caves and overhangs in the sandstone of the Hawksbury region, although some did choose to make huts out of bark, sticks and branches.

Recent controversy
A strong centre of cultural attachment for the Dharug people has been the "Blacks Town" (at the modern suburb of Colebee) in the Blacktown local government area. However, in September 2012 the City of Blacktown decided to cease recognising the Dharug people as the traditional owners of the area. The council also passed a motion, opposed by some councillors, to begin a process to consider changing the name "Blacktown". An online petition was launched calling for the recognition of the Dharug people in 2012.

In 2020, the Hills Shire Council, whose local government area covers Dharug land, caused controversy by rejecting requests to include an Acknowledgement of Country at its meetings. The Hills Shire Council is the only Sydney local council that does not include an Acknowledgement of Country at its meetings.

Notable Dharug people

 * Jamal Idris
 * Anthony Fernando, early twentieth century activist
 * Daniel Moowattin, third Australian Aboriginal person to visit England
 * Marion Leane Smith, only Australian Aboriginal woman known to have served in the First World War
 * Yarramundi, Boorooberongal Dharug clansman, whose daughter Maria Lock and son Colebee have a significant role in early assimilation history
 * Maria Lock, Boorooberongal Dharug landowner in colonial times
 * Quincy Dodd, Australian rugby league player

Alternative names
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 * Broken Bay tribe
 * Dharruk, Dharrook, Dhar'rook, Darrook, Dharug

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Iolo Morganwg

Edward Williams, better known by his bardic name Iolo Morganwg (10 March 1747 – 18 December 1826), was a Welsh antiquarian, poet and collector. He was seen as an expert collector of Medieval Welsh literature, but it emerged after his death that he had forged several manuscripts, notably some of the Third Series of Welsh Triads. Even so, he had a lasting impact on Welsh culture, notably in founding the secret society known as the Gorsedd, through which Iolo Morganwg successfully co-opted the 18th-century Eisteddfod revival. The philosophy he spread in his forgeries has had an enormous impact upon neo-Druidism. His bardic name is Welsh for "Iolo of Glamorgan".

Early life
Edward Williams was born in Pen-onn, near Llancarfan, Vale of Glamorgan, and raised in the village of Flemingston (or Flimston; Trefflemin in Welsh). He followed his father as a stonemason. In Glamorgan, he took an interest in manuscript collection, and learnt to compose Welsh poetry from poets such as Lewis Hopkin, Rhys Morgan, and especially Siôn Bradford.

In 1773, he moved to London, where the antiquary Owen Jones introduced him to the city's Welsh literary community, and where he became a member of the Gwyneddigion Society: he would later also be active in the Cymreigyddion Society. In 1777 he returned to Wales, where he married and tried farming, but without success. During this time he produced his first forgeries.

Williams's son, Taliesin (bardic name, Taliesin ab Iolo), whom he had named after the early medieval bard Taliesin, later went on to collect his manuscripts in 26 volumes, a selection being published as the Iolo Manuscripts by the Welsh Manuscripts Society in 1848.

Literary career
From an early date Williams was concerned with preserving and maintaining the literary and cultural traditions of Wales. He produced a large number of manuscripts as evidence for his claims that ancient Druidic tradition had survived the Roman conquest, the conversion of the populace to Christianity, the persecution of bards under King Edward I, and other adversities. His forgeries develop an elaborate mystical philosophy, which he claimed as a direct continuation of ancient Druidic practice. Williams's reportedly heavy use of laudanum may have been a contributing factor.

Williams first came to public notice in 1789 for Barddoniaeth Dafydd ab Gwilym, a collection of the poetry of the 14th-century Dafydd ap Gwilym. Included were a large number of hitherto unknown poems by Dafydd that he claimed to have found; these are regarded as Williams's first forgeries.

His success led him to return to London in 1791, where he founded the Gorsedd, a community of Welsh bards, at a ceremony on 21 June 1792 at Primrose Hill. He organised the occasion according to what he claimed were ancient Druidic rites. In 1794 he published some of his own poetry, which was later collected in a two-volume Poems, Lyric and Pastoral. Essentially his only genuine work, it proved quite popular.

Williams worked with Owen Jones and William Owen Pughe on The Myvyrian Archaiology of Wales, a three-volume collection of medieval Welsh literature published in 1801–1807. This relied partly on manuscripts in Williams's collection, some his forgeries. The forged material included a false Brut chronicle and a book attributed to Saint Cadoc. The second volume, which collected the Welsh Triads, contained an additional "third series" of forged triads, as well as Williams's alterations to the authentic ones.

After Williams's death some of his collection was compiled into The Iolo Manuscripts by his son, Taliesin Williams. His papers were used by many later scholars and translators, and for reference by Lady Charlotte Guest as she translated the prose collection Mabinogion. She did not, however, rely on Williams's editions of the tales themselves, except for Hanes Taliesin. Later still, further Williams forgeries were published in a text known as Barddas. This work, published in two volumes in 1862 and 1874, was claimed to be a translation of works by Llywelyn Siôn, detailing the history of the Welsh bardic system from its ancient origins to the present day. Though it contains nothing of authentic Druidic lore, it is the fullest account of the mystical cosmology Williams developed.

Other works by Williams include the "Druid's Prayer", still used by the Gorsedd and by neo-Druid groups, a treatise on Welsh metrics called Cyfrinach Beirdd Ynys Prydain ("The Mystery of the Bards of the Isle of Britain"), published posthumously in 1828, and a hymn series published as Salmau yr Eglwys yn yr Anialwch ("Psalms of the church in the wilderness") in 1812.

Philosophy
Iolo's philosophy represented a fusion of Christian and Arthurian influences, a romanticism comparable to that of William Blake and the Scottish poet and forger James MacPherson, the revived antiquarian enthusiasm for all things "Celtic", and such elements of bardic heritage as had genuinely survived among Welsh-language poets. Part of his aim was to assert the Welshness of South Wales, particularly his home region of Glamorgan, against the prevalent idea that North Wales represented the purest survival of Welsh traditions. The metaphysics elucidated in his forgeries and other works proposed a theory of concentric "rings of existence", proceeding outward from Annwn (the Otherworld) through Abred and Ceugant to Gwynfyd (purity or Heaven).

Outside his shop in Cowbridge was a sign saying his sugar was from plantations that employed no slaves. However, he contested a will in order to receive a legacy from one of his three brothers, all of whose plantations in Jamaica used slave labour.

By 1799 he had become a Unitarian, and was a leading spirit when a Unitarian Association was formed in South Wales in 1802. It was he who drew up its Rheolau a Threfniadau (Rules and Procedures), published in 1803.

Bardic alphabet
Iolo Morganwg developed his own runic system based on an ancient druid alphabet system, in Welsh Coelbren y Beirdd ("the Bardic Alphabet"). It was said to be the alphabetic system of the ancient druids. It consisted of 20 main letters, and 20 others "to represent elongated vowels and mutations." These symbols were to be represented in a wooden frame, known as peithynen.

Exposure
Towards the end of the 19th century, the grammarian Sir John Morris-Jones was involved in exposing Iolo as a forger, which led to the bard being labelled a charlatan. Morris-Jones called Iolo "hateful" and said it would be an age "before our history and literature are clean of the traces of his dirty fingers."

After the First World War, the scholar Griffith John Williams (1892–1963) was the first to make a full study of Iolo's work, consulting original documents donated to the National Library of Wales by Iolo's descendants in 1917. Williams aimed to find out exactly how much of Iolo's output was based on imagination rather than fact. He established that the poems Iolo attributed to Dafydd ap Gwilym were forgeries. His researches led him to become a defender of Iolo's reputation as well as a critic.

It has been suggested that some of Iolo's claims were supported by oral tradition: recent research has revealed that the tale of Ieuan Gethin, a soldier in the Glyndŵr revolt, might have basis in fact.

Legacy

In 1926, in honor of the hundredth anniversary of Morganwg's death, a plaque was mounted at the location of his old shop. It reads:

A memorial plaque was erected in 2009, on the approximate site of the first Gorsedd ceremony, held on London's Primrose Hill in 1792, and another memorial stone on Stalling Down near Cowbridge, where the first Gorsedd ceremony in Wales took place in 1795.

Such was the extent of his forgery that, even into the 21st century, some of his tampered versions of medieval Welsh texts are better known than the original versions.

A Welsh-language school in Cowbridge, Ysgol Iolo Morganwg, is named after him, and Super Furry Animals vocalist Gruff Rhys dedicated a song to him on his 2014 album, American Interior.

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I read your message and I understand, the discussions are polarised. You mentioned Haiti, there seems to have been a de facto American coup there recently. Kingal86 15:47, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Oh, my god, it's a disaster. Aristide, who's no angel, but was still the only credible political leader that Haiti's have-not majority has ever had, was escorted to the door by US Marines. For weeks and weeks there had been an undeclared civil war, Aristide's government had said we need help, we're the democratically elected leadership, and the US and France just sat back and said, "So sorry, there's nothing we can do for you guys right now". The fascists topple Aristide, and suddenly France, the US, Canada, Brazil find it in their hearts to ship peacekeepers in, quicker than you can say coup d'etat. Meanwhile, the folks they put back into power are a mix of two components: the thug wing of Aristide's political movement, and the old Tonton Macoute-style Duvalierists. With a top layer of Western-educated rich people to give a veneer of respectability. It's just a horror.

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Kurdistan Map
Hi!

You asked for the Kurdistan map. I (probably) took it from here, but I do not know who made it. It obviously contains of several, at least two layers. The words "Mediterranean sea" and the word "Turkey" for instance are very different. It might have been published by one of the Kurdish Institutes, maybe Paris. I have no idea. It shows the mainly Kurdish inhabited areas and is smaller than what some nationalist see as "Kurdistan".

Please contact me here or by mail.

Good luck for the Cornish Wikipedia, you seem to be a little supported fighter for your cause. --Erdal Ronahi 23:00, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I just found an article on the map: http://tzaddik.us/lilpoh/archives/000411.html Interesting, isn't it? --Erdal Ronahi 23:18, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Fulub le Breton
Salut, non je suis desolé, je ne parle pas Cornique à ce momont. Maintenant j'habite à Paris et il faut que j'apprenne le Francais et pour les Britaniques la langue étrangère est un vrai boulot. Mais apres j'ai envie d'apprendre les langues Bretonne et Cornique a Paris. Cependant il y a beaucoup de cornouphones qui peut etre vous aide.

 * Agan Tavas—The Society for the Promotion of the Cornish language
 * Cornish Language Fellowship

Merci pour votre encouragment

I have also asked on a Cornish news website, Cornwall 24, if anybody can help you edit the Cornish language site.
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Samajwadi Party and caste?
In a recent edit on the Bahujan Samaj Party article you claim that Samajwadi Party's caste base is Kshatriyas. I would like to know from were that assumption is taken? In my understanding the SP base is mainly Yadavs (OBCs) and Muslims. --Soman 09:36, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm by no means an expert on this, but generally (in political context) Yadavs are mainly refered to as OBCs. http://www.mjakbar.com/default.asp?headline=50395&rm=archive refers to them as 'neo-kshatriyas'. Anyway, I thin you're doing great work on the India-articles. www.nd.edu/~kellogg/pdfs/Jaffrelot.pdf refers to them as a shudra caste trying to claim kshatriya status. --Soman 00:32, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

re using 'cardinal' in names
Cardinal is included in the titles of cardinals for two practical reasons.

 * Many mediaeval cardinals have had their first names long forgotten in history and so they can only be entered as Cardinal X while people try to find the original first name.

 * Many mediaeval cardinals used different cardinalate names than their original birth names. Not including the word cardinal produces a name that never existed. But their own personal names are either universally not recognised or long forgotten.

The inclusion of cardinal is not meant to give cardinals any particular special treatment. It is simply the only way many historic cardinals can be entered on wikipedia. It was discussed and agreed that in the case of cardinals, the word's inclusion was a practical necessity. Ancient office-holders, where their personal name may not be as widely known and they are only known by title and surname, cause particular problems that don't arise with holders of more modern offices. Mediaeval cardinals will invariably be searched through google through 'cardinal x', just as popes will be searched for using 'pope x'. Other clergymen in other lower offices are either not remembered in history or are usually known by full name. But the higher one got in the Roman Catholic Church, the greater the likelihood that one's personal names were replaced by a clerical name, and it is just the latter that people remember.

The page on the Cardinal Archbishop of Paris belongs with all the other hundreds of cardinal articles under the format agreed and used all over wikipedia. Either the naming conventions are changed (which will mean we cannot put on some mediaval cardinals and will have inaccurate names for others) or this article needs to be moved to follow the agreed format. Abandoning that format would necessitate the renaming of hundreds of pages of articles and at this stage tens of thousands of links in articles. Fear ÉIREANN 23:45, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

About the Geraint who fought at Gododdin
You named him "Geraint rac Deheu", but I'm a little puzzled about the "rac" part: is that Cornish or Breton for "son of"? If it's a typo for "mac", may I suggest you use "ap" instead, since the latter is Welsh & the former Irish? (Geraint's native tongue is more likely to have been closer to Welsh than Irish.) -- llywrch 18:16, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
 * That makes sense: now I'm embarassed for not recognizing the word "Deheu". Oh well, at least I've helped you write the first sentence to this article. ;-) -- llywrch 20:17, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

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Hey, your name wouldn't happen to be Juan Tomas, would it? Adam Bishop 22:28, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah...you have the same birthday and are also from U of T. It was a pretty slim chance, but nice to meet you anyway! Adam Bishop 22:36, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cities of the Republic of Ireland
The cities of the Republic of Ireland are "county boroughs" and not "city boroughs"! Djegan 18:00, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Re: Prachanda
As near as I can tell, his pseudonym appears completely out of context from his real name which is as opposed to, say, Lenin and Stalin where there have been many variations from the point of them being "revolutionaries" throughout their ascension to power and thereafter. Thus those articles utilize the real names in conjunction solely with the false surname. "Prachanda" doesn't even have the benefit of a term being so recognized that it replaces all other references, as opposed to Pol Pot and Ho Chi Minh, so there is no real need. "Prachanda" should stay as a redirect to the real name as of now. --TJive 19:55, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

 * We refer to things such as "Lenin" and "Stalin" offhand only because they are a surname (as well, I would argue, that they are much easier for many non-Russian speakers to pronounce than "Ulyanov" and "Dzhugashvili"), just as we would to real names like "Bush". However, just as in introducing an academic or encyclopedic subject of the person we would refer to "George Bush" (or "George W. Bush" or so forth) it is most common to see "Vladimir Lenin" and "Joseph Stalin" introducing the subject.  It seems that we are in agreement, at least, that he appears to not utilize any portion of his real name in reference to himself and discourages it.  This alone makes him different from many other examples.

 * With respect to notability, upwards of 30,000 hits is rather meager when compared to the millions that you get for Lenin, Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, Malcolm X, and so on. I am not interested in a fight over this, of course, but I believe it would be more appropriate as of now for the article to be based on "Pushpa", with attention quickly accorded his pseudonym.  --TJive 11:18, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

expand on the articles with Hinduism in southeast asia?
Can you expand on the articles with Hinduism in southeast countries such as malaysia and indonesia. I just find cool that Hinduism exsisted somewhere else other than India. --Dangerous-Boy

 * It is definitely cool how Indic culture spread into Southeast Asia. Although you know, Hinduism exists and thrives in lots of places other than India – Great Britain, Canada, the US, and other exotic lands you might have heard of! ;-) Quartier Latin   1968  18:42, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your correction on my spellings of belief! --Profvk 16:33, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

 * No worries, the pleaure was mine! Quartier Latin   1968  18:42, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

In reference to the Rajput Article
I am very concerned about the artical on Rajputs since I was recently debating with an individual named wisesabre. Now, this article hits me personally since it is my identity and I feel that because I cannot take part in this debate any longer, as well I find his arguements and the arguements of the other chap completely ridiculous, since I am preparing to write my licensing exams soon, I feel really frustrated.

Does Wikipedia simply allow anyone to put stuff up even if its not backed by authentic academic knowledge or research? Is this something I should just forget about since it seems that the article is going to be hijacked and the entire concept of the Rajputs will be distorted.

It seems that anything held sacred can simply be distorted in this encyclopedia. If anyone wanted to know how legitimate my sources or claims are, at least I can say "Just show this to Dr. Joseph T. O'Connell, Professor Emeritus, South Asian Studies Department, University of Toronto" and he'll easily recognise my writings and even tell you my name and lineage on the spot.

I am really not sure what to do, but I would hate that my history become distorted, especially by a couple of guys making all sorts of erroneous claims.

Sincerely Gorkhali 05:19, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your prompt reply. I guess that is one of the dangers of Wikipedia, and also one of its strengths. Thanks again for the qucik reply.

Sincerely 67.71.90.188 16:13, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Wow what an awesome thought provoking commnent in Ray Nagin.Kyle Andrew Brown 16:52, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Battle of Llongborth
I took a look at this article, & it reads like a good, solid article. Hope you don't mind that made a copy edit or two (mostly because as someone on the other side of the world, I can't picture where Langport is off the top of my head).

I also noticed that there is no article for Llywarch Hen; I guess I should be the one to fix that because I took my user name from this ancient Celt. -- llywrch 22:36, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

The article looks good. I made a few very minor edits, and I added some of your information to the Geraint of Dumnonia article.--Cuchullain 00:53, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Many thanks to both of you! :-) Quartier Latin   1968  19:36, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Cornish people
Durdatha whye QL, could i interest you in a debate on the discussion page of the Cornish people page, i am currently trying to debate with a group of what appear to be English nationalists who insist on making modifications when they reach agreement among themselves which as you can imagin tends to take an anti Cornish direction. The new Cornish people page is a great development for wikipedia and it would be a shame if it became run by people unfriendly to the Cornish movement. Bretagne 44 aka Fulub le Breton 13:15, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Irish Newfoundlanders
Hi saw the map you added to the page, nice job. One small comment, the area of the Irish shore is larger than you have marked. See http://www.irishloop.nf.ca/about_zone_location.asp for the additional area. The Irish shore extends from Carbonear south to Renews and to both sides of St. Mary's Bay. The Irish shore is larger than the Irish Loop. Jcmurphy 01:22, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Thats excellent, but the Irish Shore also extends around to the west side of St. Mary's Bay to the communities of Branch and St. Bride's. See http://www.naturetreks.ca/MapAV.htm St. Bride's is commonly accepted as the last community on the Irish Shore. I mentioned Renews, because along with Ferryland it is one of the main Irish communites on the coast. Jcmurphy 02:16, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Anatolia
Thanks for making this neat table, on the figures I had given. It's a great job! --Astavrou 23:11, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Iraq map
If you have a moment, could you do one with the provinces numbered as on IraqNumbered.png? They correspond to the numbers on the results table. I'd have a go myself, but I'm far from an expert with graphics. –Hajor 19:08, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

From Catalonia

 * Are there any facts, figures, opinion polls etc on Catalan nationalism in the Balearic Isles, Valencia, etc? What has made Catalan nationalism so weak in Valencia? Is there any active agitation for adjusting the border with Aragon so that La Franja forms part of Catalonia? What role does Catalanism play in Andorra? And what is the current situation of Catalan nationalism in Roussillon and Alghero? If anybody's got answers to these questions, I'd love to see them! Best, Quartier Latin   1968  01:14, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Tu peux chercher ici: Catalan government site: ; and also     and this personal one:. Au revoir!. --Joan sense nick 02:21, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Also here:   with some polls and statistics.--Joan sense nick 18:55, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

SACP MPs in SA parliament
You asked a question at South African Communist Party about SACP members of parliament. As far as I know, all members come from the ANC list, which is decided on by vote at the ANC National Conference preceding the election. Thus, for any SACP member to become an MP, they must also be an ANC member and be elected by the ANC. This isn't a problem, however, since most prominent SACP members are also (prominent) ANC members. --Taejo | Talk 14:54, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Sinn Fein

 * I'm not sure if the number of votes defines the size of a party. A party's size is defined by its membership which in the UK and Republic of Ireland is a separate thing to number of votes.  It might be more accurate to discuss number of seats in the Dail or House of Commons (and their respective upper chambers), but even this does not determine size.  Do we have some figures for membership?  Alternatively the article should be reoworded Dainamo 23:13, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

User categorisation
You were listed on the Wikipedians by alma mater page. As part of the User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians by alma mater for instructions. --Cooksey 22:07, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

World Citizen userbox,
Hi, I noticed the message saying you're a World Citizen, I would like to invite you to add to your user page if you wish to proclaim it in a more effective way, and this template will also add you automatically to the Wikipedians with World Citizenship category. :) --Mistress Selina Kyle 23:54, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Bonjour
Je vous ai trouvé.... disons un peu par un détour (World citizen).

Puis-je vous intéresser à ce projet; ...et j'ai fait la soustraction: la réponse est 42, n'est-ce pas? Lectonar 13:57, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Sig image
Hey- your signature is using Image:Blkred flag.png. I don't have anything against it or your signture, but it has been replaced in all the articles by Image:Flag of Anarcho syndicalism.svg since that's a better format and is also in the public domain, which is a lot better. Long story short, blkred is going to be deleted very soon, and it'll break your sigs. --maru (talk) Contribs 22:48, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

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Santa Clara station (Metrorail)

Santa Clara station is a station on the Metrorail rapid transit system in the industrial district of the Allapattah neighborhood in Miami, Florida. This station is located near the intersection of Northwest 12th Avenue (State Road 933) and 20th Street. It opened to service December 17, 1984. Along with Brownsville station, Santa Clara is generally the lowest ridership station on the system.

Station layout
The station has two tracks served by side platforms. Access to the station is from the southwest corner of Northwest 21st Street and Northwest 12th Avenue.

Places of interest

 * Miami Dade College (Medical Center Campus)
 * University of Miami Life Science & Technology Park
 * Lindsey Hopkins Technical Education Center
 * Santa Clara Apartments, transit-oriented development

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of U.S. Army bases in North Carolina

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was - kept

List of U.S. Army bases in North Carolina
This entry can not become encyclopedic. It is a list with only one item. I live in North Carolina and, to the best of my knowledge, the state has only one Army base. I see no reason for a list that can only have one item. For any reader wanting to put the base, Fort Bragg, into context, the base's article page is in the categories Bases of the U.S. Army and Military bases in North Carolina. Maurreen 04:19, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * No vote. A question: If we delete this, will we delete all the ~30 articles linked from List of U.S. Army bases that list all army bases in a specific state?  Acegikmo1 04:50, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't see any reason to delete them all. I suggest this one because the list only has one item. Maurreen 05:17, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * What about the other ones with just one item (e.g. SC, NM)? The ones with two entries?  I think that SimonP's suggestions is a good one.  I vote to delete and move the content from the individual state aritcles into the main article (like List of United States Navy bases).  Acegikmo1 05:31, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * List of United States Navy bases is a good model. I have added Fort Bragg, the only base on the article North Carolina list, to List of U.S. Army bases. Maurreen 06:45, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * If these lists are complete there seem to be few enough that these pages can all be merged into and then redirected to List of U.S. Army bases. - SimonP 04:57, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * Sigh. This is a flat namespace artifact. All these articles are an aggregate, it doesn't matter if they do or don't appear in your browser all at once. Keep or Delete the aggregate as a whole, I vote Keep. Kim Bruning 09:36, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Being incomplete is not a reason to delete. An incomplete list is a stub like all other stubs we don't delete either. Wyllium 11:10, 2004 Oct 9 (UTC)
 * Keep. Potentionally useful navigational aid. jni 13:29, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's a list. It's got to go. --Improv 19:17, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Simply being a list is not a valid reason for deletion. See the opening of What is an article and List of lists. Niteowlneils 23:30, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep or merge into some sort of motherlist on the topic. — siro  χ  o  20:45, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * At the risk of (a) exposing my ignorance, (b) stirring up a hornet's nest — can't many lists be better managed as Categories? You can navigate down a well-constructed category just as nicely, if not nicer, than from a list. Delete and if need be, set up the appropriate cat structure. — Bill 23:05, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * You're entirely correct. Hopefully the category system in MediaWiki will eventually allow a reader to find articles that are in both Category:Bases of the U.S. Army and Category:North Carolina, and then we will be able to delete a great many other pointless List_of_... articles. ~leif
 * Keep, or possibly merge/redir to List of U.S. Army bases. Niteowlneils 23:30, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge all of these into the single List of U.S. Army bases then copy/paste the edit histories over so we can delete these and not have to keep the redirects. Rossami 02:55, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Valid encyclopaedic list. 80.255 17:50, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Pointless list. Use categories. ~leif 08:59, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Mark Richards 17:29, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, an army of one does not imply that a list of one should survive. I'd support killing other lists of 1. (Remember that argument about deaths due to a turtle falling on your head?  this is essentially similar.) -Vina 17:59, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 21:30, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Graham ☺ | Talk 02:46, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Ordre des Arts et des Lettres

The Ordre des Arts et des Lettres is an order of France established on 2 May 1957 by the Minister of Culture. Its supplementary status to the Ordre national du Mérite was confirmed by President Charles de Gaulle in 1963. Its purpose is the recognition of significant contributions to the arts, literature, or the propagation of these fields.

Its origin is attributed to the Order of Saint Michael (established 1 August 1469), as acknowledged by French government sources.

Background
To be considered for the award, French government guidelines stipulate that citizens of France must be at least thirty years old, respect French civil law, and must have "significantly contributed to the enrichment of the French cultural inheritance".

Membership is not, however, limited to French nationals; recipients include numerous foreign luminaries. Foreign recipients are admitted into the Order "without condition of age".

The Order has three grades:
 * Commandeur (Commander) — medallion worn on a necklet; up to 20 recipients a year
 * Officier (Officer) — medallion worn on a ribbon with rosette on left breast; up to 60 recipients a year
 * Chevalier (Knight) — medallion worn on a ribbon on left breast; up to 200 recipients a year

The médaille (medallion) of the Order is an eight-pointed, green-enameled asterisk, in gilt for Commanders and Officers and in silver for Knights; the obverse central disc has the letters "A" and "L" on a white-enameled background, surrounded by a golden ring emblazoned with the phrase République Française. The reverse central disc features the head of Marianne on a golden background, surrounded by a golden ring bearing the words Ordre des Arts et des Lettres. The Commander's badge is topped by a gilt twisted ring.

The ribbon of the Order is green with four white stripes.

Members of the Order

According to the statutes of the Order, French citizens must wait a minimum of 5 years before they are eligible to be upgraded from Chevalier to Officier, or Officier to Commandeur, and must have displayed additional meritorious deeds than just those that originally made them a Chevalier. However, in the statutes, there is a clause saying "Les Officiers et les Commandeurs de la Légion d'honneur peuvent être directement promus à un grade équivalent dans l'Ordre des Arts et des Lettres". (Translation: "The officers and commanders of the Legion of Honour can be promoted directly to an equivalent grade in the Order of Arts and Letters".) This means that if someone were to be made Officier of the Legion of Honour, then the next year, that person could be directly made Officier of the Order of Arts and Letters and bypass a nomination as a knight and the five-year rule.

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Talk:List of Nintendo DS games (0–C)

If you find a DS game not on the list, add it!
If you can CONFIRM that this game exists or will be released in the near future then add it into the list. Don't bother cluttering up this discussion page with questions like "Is paper mario DS out yet?" either. I'm deleting all of these pointless sections. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SeQel (talk • contribs) 18:14, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Genres
Why don't we include a column for the genre of the game? Dbmayur 08:13, 14 June 2007 (UTC)dbmayur

Ultimate Spider-Man conflict...
I added Ultimate Spider-Man under 'U', but there is already a listing for the Ultimate Spider-Man comics of course. I don't know if we should add a seperate page for this console/handheld game version of the comics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RoyalFool (talk • contribs)

Well, It's always been when a computer or video game based on a movie comes out, it's listed under the movie. So, Toy Story for the Game Boy would be listed under Toy Story, not Toy Story (game) - Joizashmo June 30, 2005 00:02 (UTC)

Using country flags instead of abbreviations
After checking A Link to the Past's last edit, I think it would be better to use the SVG free flags. However, it may be not useful for non-graphical browsers. Just an idea. Opinions? -- ReyBrujo 02:12, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe it could look like the List of Nintendo 64 games, or for a more simpler aproach, each flag can be added next to each game. For example, to add the flag of Japan next to a game type  to add the Japanese flag. Overall, I think simple is better. Ceros 17:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

List Cleanup.
This list is in need of an update. References need to be added for each game. I placed the and  templates for now. Ceros 18:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Better design?
I've started to redo this page to put the design in line with the design used on List of Nintendo 64 games. You can see the work in progress here. Let me know Stump

 * The design for the List of Nintendo 64 games is actually based off of the List of Virtual Boy games. One of the editor's goals was to get it in line with the List of Virtual Boy games. If you want I can help out. Also, there's a way to get the setup done quickly by using a word processor and a text editor. Ceros 18:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

WE NEED SOURCES AND CLEANUP!
Can someone please look through this article and provide sources for everything and clean it up? thanks. dposse 14:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Games that have articles don't need sourcing. Assuming they have a box art image or something at least.--SeizureDog 12:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Look up. Are you telling me that Europa Universalis II, which has an article, is an actual game for the DS? It was released in 2001. Sources will help cut down on the amount of spam and vandalism. dposse 20:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

suggestions:
1. Use the wikimedia citation program in conjuction with the nintendo website for the citations 2. While your there, why not add symbols and a legend to show types of connectivity avaible such as wi-fi, single-pak, etc. 3. Stick to the North American release names and keep the Japanese and European release names for the corresponding language section of Wikipedia, or put the alternate names in a separate article itself. 4. Adding some other external links to games that have their own site might be good. 5. Continue updating the information as new titles are released.

74.117.69.16 18:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Re 3. This is not the American Wikipedia, it is the English Language Wikipedia.  Some games released in Europe (and Great Britain) have a different English Language title to the American title.  JP Godfrey (Talk to me) 20:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

My list.
Please make improvements, using Animal Crossing: Wild World as an example. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

List Format and Cleanup
This list is horribly cluttered and the format is terrible. The (UR),(NA), (WF), etc. just take up unnecessary space. They and the release dates perhaps should be replaced by a "Regions Released" column like that of other video game lists. This list should replaced in favor of one similar to the List of PlayStation Portable games or A Link to the Past's List of Nintendo DS games. --Toxicroak 00:11, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Irrelevance in the list
What's the point of making an NDS-list if all the games aren't linked to the specific NDS-version? As there's such a huge difference between the xbox 360 version of NFS Most wanted and the NDS one, the article gets quite irrelevant. The GFX on the different consoles isn't really on par with each other.

Pezzar 03:20, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Suggestions
I have been updating this list for the past two weeks and it just keeps getting longer and that isn't to good for those with slow browsers. I suggest that we change the format to match the list of GameCube games or the list of Wii games to make it a smaller page.Bovineboy2008 16:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I would suggest switching to the format used by the List of GameCube games. That's what I've slowly been switching the List of Game Boy Advance games to. --Toxicroak 20:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Could someone please change "Release dates" to "Countries released in" or something like that? And do you think we should mention which games have Wi-Fi? Pezzar 03:20, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

 * How do we now, sort the entire list by release date? We can't.

Unnamed games
Are we listing unnamed games--games that are confirmed but don't have a title yet? If so, does it go under "U" for Unnamed? -- VederJuda 16:38, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

 * They go under "Untitled", like Untitled Sonic RPG. Mushroom (Talk) 17:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Games not released yet
Should games that aren't yet released, such as Oban Star Racers be included in the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koji toa of ice (talk • contribs) 23:27, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, they should, if there is a reliable source that states they will be released. Mushroom (Talk) 17:20, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Game references
Are references for every game really necessary? The other 7th generation game lists do not have this mandatory policy, and as the number of DS games go up, the footnote list is gonna get really bulky and unwieldy. I say it's time to get rid of this requirement. Richiekim (talk) 13:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I think references for every game is necessary, and useful. We are trying to make a comprehensive list that would be the unique source in the near future to know all the Nintendo DS games released up to date. The official websites could not maintain the info forever, but the wiki does. This is one of the most important things wikipedia is know for.

What I propose is divide the list into smaller ones. I don't have the proper technicall knowledge to perform such a task but that is cut&paste for advanced wikipedians. RG4ever (talk) 14:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Reference tags have now been changed to ID tags, i.e. there is no longer a reflist Bovineboy2008 (talk) 02:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Smackdown 2008 Mistake
Under WWE Smackdown! vs RAW 2008, it says unreleased as opposed to the flags of countries it's in. Could somebody fix that up? Steeldragon493 (talk) 18:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Regions released is very wrong.
For example Animal Crossing Wild World is claimed to only be released in Japan, meanwhile I own the game and I bought it here in America! This section needs updated. --SeQel (talk) 18:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

 * The region listed is the region in which the game was released first. When more than one region is listed, then the game was released first in both of the regions on the same date. Bovineboy2008 (talk) 20:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Proposal to include Genre Information
It seems to me that listing the games' genre would be both an improvement to overall informativeness and a possible alternate solution to the current somewhat inelegant method of dividing it by title. The only issue I can foresee with this proposal is that many of the games are somewhat genre-defying, but by listing hybrid-genre games by both applicable genres and perhaps the creation a separate list for "Unclassifiable" games would resolve this easily. I confess that this is my first effort at contributing to Wikipedia herself and so my own capacity for carrying out this rewrite is limited, but I would gladly offer my services for any "Heavy Lifting" that this reformatting might require. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.211.87.237 (talk) 08:21, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

 * There are three major problems with that. Defining the genre could be considered POV. Listing the genre is not that notable for an article like this. And adding a format for every game would make these already long articles really long. BOVINEBOY 2008 21:53, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Including genre's not POV and would improve the article, since it gives the reader idea what type of game each game is, however all games with target article seems to include its genre and many other console and platform list on wikipedia already list the genres.

Switching format similar to the other "list of" articles.
Is there a possibility that we could go about having this list go according to the List of Wii games with/without the genre? I think it would be a smart change to do so, what do you guys think? Zacharyalejandro (talk) 03:41, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect Dates and Release Information
A good number of games on this list have, at the very least, incorrect release date information; I was able to find at least two examples (Winx Club 2009 and Pokémon Black 2). Winx Club 2009 is listed as having been released in 2000 (before the DS was even out), while Pokémon Black 2 is listed as having been released in 2009, which would be incorrect both in the USA and Japan. Can somebody correct these mistakes, and point out any others if they find any? Thank you! LavaringX (talk) 02:40, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Missing items
I've been looking for a complete list of all ds carts and this list comes up often as the closest thing to it. But right off the bat I noticed it seems to be missing some things. At the top its noted that Disney two pack is the last game released for the ds but its not included in the list. I suppose this is because the two games on the one cart are listed individually. But if this is so, what other multi-game carts are missing from the list because their games are listed individually, and if it's not, should it be added into the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.157.253.253 (talk) 19:25, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

ROM numbers?
Would be nice if ROM numbers could be added, because titles are often not correctly in the many collections and samplers available, but ROM numbers always are.--Mideal (talk) 21:17, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Missing games - Beastly: Frantic Foto?
It caught my eye the NDS game Beastly: Frantic Foto is not listed in this article at all. Is there something about the game why it's not included, or just an oversight? I mean, it's a fairly obscure game, and I can't figure out why it's not listed here other than just for its obscurity. Dutzga (talk) 13:32, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Korean Releases?
So far, there have only been a select few games released in Korea, but if they were they were also released in Japan, but now I'm coming across games only released in Korea, what am I supposed to do?

For now I'm just putting a Ya under Japan, but there really should be a solution for this. Same goes for Latin American/German/Spain releases, but you can just put a Ya under NA or EU for those situations — Preceding unsigned comment added by MontztheMan (talk • contribs) 21:26, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I want to let you know that we do not, include GameFAQs information because GameFAQs uses user generated information that is NOT acceptable on Wikipedia.

, could you help me get him up to speed on this information? I tried getting Dissident's help, but I somehow didn't get a notification about your response, so I wanted to go ahead and include Serge in this discussion as well, to see what he has to say on the matter. I know we have rules here about using this user generated site, but as far as I know, people don't care. Zacharyalejandro (talk) 01:40, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Is the issue about adding Korean-only games under a Japanese checkmark, GameFAQs as a source, or both? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 02:56, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Well he stated that he added all of the lettered games from GameFAQs and Metacritic, I don't know if Metacritic is considered reliable though. Besides Korean-only games, I don't know. Zacharyalejandro (talk) 03:37, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Help !
I tried to add a game but I screwed up. Can someone please fix it ? I have no idea how.

Maxime12346 (talk) 22:31, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Sort by release date is not working
Nice table, but i cant sort them by release date correctly, i would thing you could use YYYY-MM-DD style to fix that but i guess there is some better by marking that field as date type, but i dont know how, ill import that to LibreOffice calc and do so but it would be grate if someone with more wikimedia knowledge could do that here. Thanks --2001:16B8:6089:100:317C:B97:30B3:8D40 (talk) 17:41, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Missing Game
Hello I don’t know how to edit and add to the actual page but I noticed I Spy Universe was missing. (: Sunitrema (talk) 02:37, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Condensing wikitext
This page is currently the longest on the wiki. However, unlike the other top pages in Special:LongPages, this page is less about the actual length and more about the amount of wikitext. Recently, an edit was made that changed many of the templates to links to change the PEIS. While this did fix that issue, it also made this page over 1 megabyte long, and none of the other pages in Special:LongPages even come close. So rather than suggesting a split like I normally would, I am simply suggesting replacing the templates and links with just “Yes” and “No” without any fancy colors or text. However, I will need someone with a very powerful computer to do this. 24.151.90.132 (talk) 19:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry that was me, I forgot to log in. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 19:34, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * We could format it similarly to how other lists of video games by platform are formatted. Those pages are formatted with just the initial release date in JP, NA, and PAL regions, without any checkmarks or X's. Finnaboing (talk) 13:56, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok. I was thinking of just removing the checkmarks and Xs altogether and just having it say “Yes” and “No”. Is there a script that could quickly replace all of the wikitext. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blubabluba9990 (talk • contribs) 23:06, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It might be a bit less of a headache to edit the revision prior to the gargantuan edit - it'd certainly make it way easier to see what to replace. Though in terms of automation, I don't know the full capabilities of Find and Replace features within programs like Word, but if I have the time tomorrow (I likely won't, so sometime soon) I can try to give it a whirl. Last I checked, my computer's capable! -- Ve lv e tu ne!  t • c 05:47, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I did try doing that, but I lost patience. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 19:26, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Let me ping here since he just reverted the other user’s edit. PEIS is the main problem on this page so just getting rid of all of the wikitext is probably the best solution. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 19:27, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * He's honestly not exactly wrong though, quintupling a page's file size is not a tenable solution and this article (in my opinion) should be split regardless of its file size. Either way, the wikitext does need to go at some point, if for no other reason to line it up in style with other articles.

 * It's just a matter of "someone needs to do it.", you wouldn't have happened to save the edit you attempted to do thus far, no? If you did, could you put the parts you had done on your sandbox? I can try to carry the torch here. -- Ve lv e tu ne!  t • c 22:18, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't save it. I only did like the first 10. Is there a script that can easily replace all of the wikitext? That and every time I made a mistake, I had to reload the page again. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 23:24, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I've made a different and hopefully more usable edit - I swapped out vgrtbl for . It's still a little bit ugly but workable, and gets the PEIS under the limit. I've also optimized one of the navboxes. For future reference, the find and replace dialog (on the Advanced section of the wikitext editor) makes these edits extremely easy, although you may find your browser unresponsive for a while if there are thousands of changes to make. User:GKFXtalk 16:31, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok. It wasn't what I had in mind but at least it deals with the PEIS problem and it is better than quadrupling the size to over 1 KB. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 17:39, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I've just been using Microsoft Word for my find and replace functionalities, but that'll do ^-^ Would it still be worth splitting the article, or no? It's still definitely a bit hefty on the length.  Ve lv e tu ne!  t • c 18:21, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Technically, the article is safe now - PEIS is a hard limit not one which is dependant on server load etc. Personally I think that splitting the article would make it harder to use. However, if you want to add lots of citations it will break again. It would still be possible to optimise the ticks and crosses to make room for citations, e.g. you could write "No" for the crosses and leave the ticks as-is which would look fine and make loads of room. User:GKFXtalk 19:15, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The length of this article was not the problem. Luckily this issue is fixed now. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 19:34, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * so what edits need to be done? i might try my scripting skills. should it be formatted like List of Game Boy games. Serprinss (talk) please ping on reply. 07:45, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is what I had in mind. I suggested replacing the yes and no templates with just regular text saying yes and no. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 19:36, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * so replace it with the text no rather then Template:unreleased like in List of Game Boy games?Serprinss (talk) please ping on reply. 05:23, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was my initial idea. However, the page is now fixed so we don't have to worry anymore. Blubabluba9990 (talk) (contribs) 17:41, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Missing game
i believe there was a minecraft for nintendo ds, or is that already on the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryan busse (talk • contribs) 19:00, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

 * I’m not completely sure (i’m on mobile and at work so I can’t do a thorough check) but I think you’re thinking of the 3DS version of the game - it never released for the original DS.  Ve lv e tu ne!  t • c 18:40, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

How could we split this article?
It's pretty obvious that this list is painfully long and hard to navigate. Do you think we should split the list, and in which ways? Eridian314 (talk) 14:21, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

PEIS size broken, splitting article
This article has gotten so long that the PEIS size is broken. I suggest splitting this article, perhaps alphabetically. Since the games are not divided into sections, there isn't really any way to tell how to divide this article alphabetically without counting. I would like suggestions as to where we should split the article. Blubabluba9990 (talk) (contribs) 22:37, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

 * I STRONGLY recommend splitting it alphabetically into (A-M) and (N-Z) just like the List of Nintendo Switch games zsteve21 (talk) 23:00, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

 * Yes, I would suggest (0-9 - L) and (M - Z) NPI WOL (talk) 23:46, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Assuming the mid-point of the article is at the end of L, I would split the article A-L and M-Z, with the former including the titles starting with non-letter characters. Onetwothreeip (talk) 02:01, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok. Blubabluba9990 (talk) (contribs) 22:17, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

eSmart 2.0
Along with the McDonalds eCrew Development Program, there also exists another training program, which has recently been dumped. eSmart 2.0. As eCDP was made for new McDonald's employees, eSmart 2.0 was made for returning employees. https://www.google.com/search?q=esmart+2.0&rlz=1CARLJX_enUS968&oq=esmart+2.0&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i512l2j0i22i30l4.4412j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&safe=active&ssui=on https://kotaku.com/we-can-all-finally-learn-how-to-make-big-macs-on-ninten-1848347540 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.100.235.134 (talk) 16:51, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

JP or EU or NA title ?
I would like to add a game called Nintendo Touch Golf: Birdie Challenge in Europe, True Swing Golf in America and Otona no DS Golf in Japan.

Which name should be used ? Maxime12346 (talk) 22:30, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

 * Nevermind I found out this game was already entered. Please ignore the above remark. Maxime12346 (talk) 00:30, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

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Chemical hazard

Chemical hazards are hazards present in hazardous chemicals and hazardous materials. Exposure to certain chemicals can cause acute or long-term adverse health effects. Chemical hazards are usually classified separately from biological hazards (biohazards). Chemical hazards are classified into groups that include asphyxiants, corrosives, irritants, sensitizers, carcinogens, mutagens, teratogens, reactants, and flammables. In the workplace, exposure to chemical hazards is a type of occupational hazard. The use of personal protective equipment may substantially reduce the risk of adverse health effects from contact with hazardous materials.

Long-term exposure to chemical hazards such as silica dust, engine exhausts, tobacco smoke, and lead (among others) have been shown to increase risk of heart disease, stroke, and high blood pressure.

Routes of exposure
The most common exposure route to chemicals in the work environment is through inhalation. Gas, vapour, mist, dust, fumes, and smoke can all be inhaled. Those with occupations involving physical work may inhale higher levels of chemicals if working in an area with contaminated air. This is because workers who do physical work will exchange over 10,000 litres of air over an 8-hour day, while workers who do not do physical work will exchange only 2,800 litres. If the air is contaminated in the workplace, more air exchange will lead to the inhalation of higher amounts of chemicals.

Chemicals may be ingested when food or drink is contaminated by unwashed hands or from clothing or poor handling practices. When ingestion of a chemical hazard occurs it comes from when those said chemicals are absorbed while in the digestive tract of the body. Ingestion only occurs when food or drink has contact with the toxic chemical. This can happen through direct or indirect ingestion. When food or drink is brought into an environment where harmful chemicals are unsealed there is the possibility of those chemical vapors or particles contaminating the food or the drink. A more direct form of chemical ingestion is the possibility of consuming the chemical directly. This rarely happens but, it is possible, that if there is little to no labeling on the chemical containers and if they aren’t secured properly an accident can occur which could lead to someone mistakenly assuming the chemical was something it was not.

Chemical exposure to the skin is a common workplace injury and may also occur in domestic situations with chemicals such as bleach or drain-cleaners. The exposure of chemicals to the skin most often results in local irritation to the exposed area. In some exposures, the chemical will be absorbed through the skin and will result in poisoning. The eyes have a strong sensitivity to chemicals, and are consequently an area of high concern for chemical exposure. Chemical exposure to the eyes results in irritation and may result in burns and vision loss.

Injection is an uncommon method of chemical exposure in the workplace. Chemicals can be injected into the skin when a worker is punctured by a sharp object, such as a needle. Chemical exposure through injection may result in the chemical entering directly into the bloodstream.

Symbols of chemical hazards
Hazard pictograms are a type of labeling system that alerts people at a glance that there are hazardous chemicals present. The symbols help identify whether the chemicals that are going to be in use may potentially cause physical harm, or harm to the environment. The 9 symbols are:

 * Explosive (exploding bomb)
 * Flammable (flame)
 * Oxidizing (flame above a circle)
 * Corrosive (corrosion of table and hand)
 * Acute toxicity (skull and crossbones)
 * Hazardous to environment (dead tree and fish)
 * Health hazard/hazardous to the ozone layer (exclamation mark)
 * Serious health hazard (cross on a human silhouette)
 * Gas under pressure (gas cylinder)

These pictographs are also subdivided into class and categories for each classification. The assignments for each chemical depends on their type and their severity. The standard set of 9 hazard pictograms was published and distributed as a regulatory requirement through the efforts of the United Nations via the Globally Harmonized System of Classification and Labelling of Chemicals.

Elimination and substitution
Chemical exposure is estimated to have caused approximately 190,000 illnesses and 50,000 deaths of workers annually. There exists an unknown link between chemical exposure and subsequent illness or death. Therefore, the majority of these illnesses and deaths are thought to be caused by a lack of knowledge or awareness concerning the dangers of chemicals. The best method of controlling chemical exposure within the workplace is through the elimination or the substitution of all chemicals that are thought or known to cause illness or death.

Engineering controls
Although the elimination and the substitution of the harmful chemicals is the best known method for controlling chemical exposure, there are other methods that can be implemented to diminish exposure. The implementation of engineering controls is an example of another method for controlling chemical exposures. When engineer controls are implemented, there is a physical change made to the work environment that will eliminate or reduce the risk to chemical exposure. An example of engineer controls is the enclosure or isolation of the process that creates the chemical hazard.

Administrative controls and safe work practices
If the process that creates the chemical hazard cannot be enclosed or isolated, the next best method is the implementation of administrative and work practices controls. This is the establishment of administrative and work practices that will reduce the amount of time and how often the workers will be exposed to the chemical hazard. An example of administrative and work practices controls is the establishment of work schedules in which workers have rotating job assignments. This will ensure that all workers have limited exposure to chemical hazards.

Personal protective equipment
Employers should provide personal protective equipment (PPE) to protect their workers from chemicals used within the workplace. The use of PPE prevents workers from being exposed to chemicals through the routes of exposure—inhalation, absorption through skin or eyes, ingestion, and injection. One example of how PPE usage can prevent chemical exposure concerns respirators. If workers wear respirators, they will prevent the exposure of chemicals through inhalation.

First aid
In case of an emergency, it is recommended to understand first aid procedures in order to minimize any damage. Different types of chemicals can cause a variety of damage. Most sources agree that it is best to rinse any contacted skin or eye with water immediately. Currently, there is insufficient evidence of how long the rinsing should be done, as the degree of impacts will vary for substances such as corrosive chemicals.

Transporting the affected person to a health care facility may be important, depending on condition. If the victim needs to be transported before the recommended flush time, then flushing should be done during the transportation process. Some chemical manufacturers may state the specific type of cleansing agent that is recommended.

Cardiovascular disease
A 2017 SBU report found evidence that workplace exposure to silica dust, engine exhaust or welding fumes is associated with heart disease. Associations also exist for exposure to arsenic, benzopyrenes, lead, dynamite, carbon disulfide, carbon monoxide, metalworking fluids and occupational exposure to tobacco smoke. Working with the electrolytic production of aluminium, or the production of paper when the sulphate pulping process is used, is associated with heart disease. An association was also found between heart disease and exposure to compounds which are no longer permitted in certain work environments, such as phenoxy acids containing TCDD (dioxin) or asbestos.

Workplace exposure to silica dust or asbestos is also associated with pulmonary heart disease. There is evidence that workplace exposure to lead, carbon disulphide, or phenoxy acids containing TCDD, as well as working in an environment where aluminium is being electrolytically produced, are associated with stroke.

Reproductive and developmental disorders
Pesticides and carbon disulfide, amongst many other chemical species have been linked to disruptions of endocrine balances in the brain and ovaries. Any contact with harmful chemicals during the first few months of pregnancy or even after has been connected to some miscarriages and has affected the menstrual cycle to the point that it has been able to block ovulation. Chemicals inducing health issues during pregnancy may also affect infants or fetuses.

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UHealth-Jackson station (Metrorail)

UHealth-Jackson station is a station on the Metrorail rapid transit system in the Health District of Miami, Florida. The station is located at the intersection of Northwest 12th Avenue (State Road 933) and 15th Street. Civic Center provides a convenient connection for University of Miami medical students by connecting the hospital area to the main campus at University Station.

The station contains a branch of the Miami-Dade Public Library System.

The station opened for service on December 17, 1984 as Civic Center. It was changed to its current name on July 12, 2024.

Station layout
The station has two tracks served by side platforms. Entrances to the station are on either side of Northwest 12th Avenue, with fare control in a central mezzanine directly below the platform.

Places of interest

 * Jackson Memorial Hospital
 * University of Miami Miller School of Medicine
 * Bascom Palmer Eye Institute
 * Veterans Hospital
 * LoanDepot Park (1 mile walk south)
 * Miami-Dade County Jail
 * Miami-Dade Justice Building/Courts
 * Florida State Building
 * Cedars Medical Center
 * Miami-Dade County Health Department
 * University of Miami Hospitals and Clinics
 * River Landing Shops and Residences

title: UHealth-Jackson station (Metrorail)


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Talk:What a Cartoon!

Jungle Boy is actually the second Johnny Bravo pilot.
Jungle Boy, in the What a Cartoon! series, is actually the second Johnny Bravo pilot.

title: Talk:What a Cartoon!