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User talk:Grutness

Please add new discussions at the bottom of the page!

I've moved earlier discussions to archive pages (as listed below). A few of the items I've simply got rid of - if I have, it's simply that it was trivial and/or stuff which has been dealt with, and is therefore no longer relevant. The deletion is not a reflection of my opinion of the writers!

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Happy New Year, Grutness!

Happy New Year! Grutness, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

— Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 20:32, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

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— Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 20:32, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * And to you too! Happy 2023! Grutness... wha?   23:43, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with File:Cfdshot.jpg
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 * Given that you're talking about an image of a Wikipedia page, it should be obvious that the attribution is CC-by-SA, as is stated on the image page. In any case, the image was only uploaded temporarily with the understanding that it would be deleted once the problem illustrated was fixed. Sixteen years ago. Why no-one deleted it shortly after its use is a mystery to me. PS - for future reference, it's not normal practice to use a boilerplate template implying that someone is new to Wikipedia's standards and policies when messaging long-standing Wikipedians (which I think I qualify as, having been an admin here for a decade and a half!) It's no biggie to me, but you will find some editors getting very annoyed about it. Grutness... wha?   13:04, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear Grutness,
 * Sorry for the template, and for not being clearer - the notification template is added by Twinkle when notifying editors after placing a speedy deletion tag for a file. The derivative work refers to the Internet Explorer browser rather than the Wikipedia page, and the quickest way to have it deleted now is through a speedy deletion tag. I only noticed it because it has spent almost the entirety of its 16 year existence in a clean-up category for images with disputed licensing, which I am now sifting through to clear the backlog. I could of course have PRODded it instead, which may have been clearer. Felix QW (talk) 13:09, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That makes sense - I never even considered that the browser image would be a problem! Could probably be speedied since I'm the only editor of the image file itself - all the other edits are clean-up/deletion template adds. In any case, feel free to delete it :) Grutness... wha?   13:20, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Philip Clairmont
Hi there, I was thinking of doing a page on Phil Clairmont and found you had already done one some time ago. I knew Phil very well and would like to expand the page but seriously don't want to cause you any grief given how kind you have been to this newcomer to Wiki. Not sure how to move forward on this. Would it be appropriate for me to send you a copy of what I have? And if so what is the best way to do that? - can you look at my sandbox page for instance. Essentially I have expanded the biography and added an exhibitions section. Strangely the name Clairmont was invented by Phil's mother and not given to him until he was quite old...no idea where she got it from. Hope your New Year has started well. Cheers, Manymanydogs (talk) 21:09, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it - go ahead and post what you have on that page. Wikipedia doesn't work by one person "owning" a page - if you can improve on a page that's already there, just go ahead and do so - but don't be surprised if someone else comes along and edits or adds more to it again later! The only proviso I'd make is to make sure what you put there is referenced - knowing the person you're writing about is a big advantage, but it can also be a problem because anything that put there which you simply know by acquaintance and isn't referenced might be challenged as original research or conflict of interest. Other than that though, feel free to add whatever you have to the article. Happy new year to you, too! Grutness... wha?   01:47, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for that. Will check it over and make the changes later in the week. Manymanydogs (talk) 02:30, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No prob :) Grutness... wha?   02:31, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Princes Street, Dunedin
Princes Street, Dunedin has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:47, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

18th Adminship Anniversary
Grutness, I had to add a more personal touch to the template and thank you, not only for the time you spent as an admin here but for your message of community. I fully believe we need more co in community and I support any effort to build the community as a structure around the encyclopedia bolstering its purpose and effectiveness. You have my upmost respect and appreciation. I see your Colors and I hear your Song. Keep shining and keep singing. Remember to be a Rainbow in someone's sky, today. -- A Rose Wolf  18:39, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I'll do my best :) Grutness... wha?   02:27, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Luhwa

The article Luhwa has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern: "The correct name of this city is Ruhwa which is located at Burundi. There is no place which is known as Luhwa"

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St Peter Chanel School (disambiguation)
Hallo, I'm puzzled by your move: there doesn't seem to be a primary topic, so surely the dab page should be at the basic name? Or am I missing something? Pam D  23:46, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

 * I was puzzled, too, TBH.  Schwede 66  23:55, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * My bad. Tired editing :) I'll move it back. Grutness... wha?   00:35, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * These things happen! Thanks. Pam  D  06:10, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Index troubles
Hi there, Sorry to use you to patch up my errors again, but noticed that in the Robert Leonard page the category listings for 'New Zealand curator' and 'art writer' have Robert's name indexed under R rather than L. As you can imagine I have no idea how to sort this out. Can you help? Cheers Manymanydogs (talk) 18:53, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure. It's easy - there's a special "magic word" template called Template:DEFAULTSORT. You add it above the category links at the bottom of the article with however you want the categories to sort (in this case, ). If you want some categories to index one way and others in another you can pipe categories in exactly the same way as you pipe article links (e.g.,  ). Hope that helps :) Grutness...  wha?   00:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Jennings, Saint Mary for deletion
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 * Bizarre. Perfectly acceptable article, now saved. Grutness... wha?

Cornwall football teams
What is a football league pyramid? And why single out one team? That is what I meant by puffery. Also you gave no source. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 07:14, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The football pyramid is the English football league system. Truro City FC is by far the highest ranked Cornish team, in level six, two flights below League Two. The next highest-ranked Cornish team is Mousehole FC, two flights lower down in level eight. There are several Cornish teams in level nine (Falmouth Town, Helston Athletic, and St. Blazey), which is where Mousehole played last season - it would thus seem odd to include them and not the other three teams. So it was a case of listing just Truro or listing five teams. This is all thoroughly cited and sources in the articles on Truro City F.C. and National League South, and the pyramid is explained at English football league pyramid. BTW, "puffery" means excessive hype, which would be a very odd description for what I added, which was factual objective information relating to sport in Cornwall. Grutness... wha?   12:36, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Much more accurate to say they play at various levels in the English football league. Must say that during 50 years working in sports coverage, I've never heard it referred to as a pyramid. Teams being in the lower leagues is hardly noteworthy enough to warrant mention in the county overview. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 13:11, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * None of them play in the Football League. They play in the English football league pyramid, and all the clubs are below the Football League level. And the level of the top Cornish team in the pyramid is definitely noteworthy enough for the sports section of the article. I'm amazed that someone who has worked in sports coverage so long has never heard of the pyramid - it is the standard way of referring to it, and has been for quite a few years now. Everyone from the BBC to the Premier League refer to it in that way. The same term has become common in other national football league systems, from New Zealand to Ghana. Grutness... wha?   13:35, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Page moves
Thanks! Could you do the same with James Clark (New Zealand cricketer) - seems to have been known as Bernie so Bernie Clark - which is a redirect - would seem to be the best option. I don't think I can move over redirect (if I can please tell me how to!!!). If you get a chance. Thanks. Blue Square Thing (talk) 16:51, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

 * OK - will do. Grutness... wha?   04:37, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Another - George Kitt would like to move over redirect to Arthur Kitt when you get the chance. Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:51, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * OK. Grutness... wha?   13:03, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Hip Hop requests
Could you change the Hip Hop template to look more like this?

τ Category:Music genre templates

2600:6C5A:417F:794E:2C23:3F05:A66D:15C3 (talk) 21:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Seems reasonable to me. Done - but don't be surprised if someone decides it was better the other way and changes it back. Grutness... wha?   05:08, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Nova Paul
Hi there, thanks again for tidying up my casualness. It was a big overhaul of the page but she is such a great artist. cheers, Jim Manymanydogs (talk) 05:39, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem :) Grutness... wha?   05:42, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I notice that the styling has gone a bit awry...not sure how or why (might just be my machine that is a bit off at the moment). If you have a minute sometime could you look at it. I know I should be doing code but the visual editor is about as much as I can manage at the moment and don't think it is up to it! Cheers Manymanydogs (talk) 05:54, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see now that it is a style you have engaged when there is more than one item per year.  Manymanydogs (talk) 07:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Are you watching my edits?
Nothing wrong with it, I've just noticed that you've been editing articles that I've also edited. — Panamitsu (talk) 04:32, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I was while you were making the new island articles. Other than that I do a lot of checking on new NZ articles in general, so it's likely that I'll have seen any that you've made. No offence intended! (FWIW User:StolenThought probably thinks the same - s/he's been making a lot of NZ football articles lately that I've edited!) Grutness... wha?   05:48, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * So your recent edits to Face-ism and List of cryptosporidiosis outbreaks after I did was a coincidence? Don't take my curiousity as a form of annoyance or anything, just curious that's all! — Panamitsu (talk) 06:47, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The crypto one I got to from the Queenstown outbreak one. And yes, the other one was coincidence (I had no idea you'd just edited it!) - my university thesis was in visual perception and I often edit articles related to it (such as my edit to McCollough effect and starting of an Interocular transfer stub today). Grutness... wha?   07:49, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Well that's quite a funny coincidence! Apologies for my borderline paranoid sounding question, my curiosity got the better of me :). No offense taken! — Panamitsu (talk) 09:28, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

'New' marine reserves
I'm not sure if you've heard, but six new marine reserves have been announced. You've created a lot of NZ geography articles so you may be interested. I've created drafts for all of these reserves. Draft:Waitaki Marine Reserve, Draft:Te Umu Kōau Marine Reserve, Draft:Papanui Marine Reserve, Draft:Ōrau Marine Reserve, Draft:Ōkaihae Marine Reserve, Draft:Hākinikini Marine Reserve. It will probably take until next year until they officially become marine reserves, which means that a new government has the possibility of scrapping them. Do you think that it would be WP:TOOSOON to publish these into article space? — Panamitsu (talk) 09:37, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * mmm. Possibly. I'd wait until a few more details are know - about their extent, for instance. It'd be good to actually have location maps for them and it might take a while until the actual boundaries are finalised. Good work though, and I'm pretty sure that there will be enough for article space long before the reserves are actually inaugurated. It might be also worth asking a couple of other prominent NZ editors (someone like User:Gadfium, User:Schwede66, and User:Paora) for their opinions. Grutness... wha?   09:52, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd suggest waiting until the reserves are gazetted and in place before publishing. Until then, they are merely proposed reserves. Paora (talk) 09:55, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Panamitsu Perhaps you could add a list of "Proposed reserves" to Marine reserves of New Zealand and redirect to that list for now? Pam  D  10:42, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

 * Thank you! Grutness... wha?   00:54, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Rugby league players from Aberdare

A tag has been placed on Category:Rugby league players from Aberdare indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 05:05, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It looks like User: Crowsus had emptied this into its parent category, for no apparent reason. Worth watching other League player by town in Wales categories, which may have suffered the same fate (I rescued two others as well). Grutness... wha?   05:54, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yup - I've found 12 others which have been similarly emptied :( Grutness... wha?   05:55, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Aaand he's been doing the same with other sports, too. :((( Grutness... wha?   06:11, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * For F's sake... he's removed categories from over 2000 articles! Over 250 rugby league and rugby union categories have been emptied. I hope you can hold off deleting them - they should be repopulated. Grutness... wha?   06:20, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry for my part in creating this unnecessary workload. I've been tagging empty categories for almost as long as I've been an editor which is 10 years now. Crowsus does a lot of recategorizing for sportspeople categories, particularly for athletes in the UK, although I had never seen it done before at this scale. Maybe he was using AWB? That editing tool can result in small problems escalating into larger ones. I've posted notices to their talk page asking them to not empty out categories but I've found that editors who do a lot of work with categories and recategorizing projects ignore those messages because, I suppose, they believe that their experience and expertise allows them to know better. In fact most categories that are "emptied out of process" are done by either very new editors or very experienced editors that I see regularly at CFD discussions. And, I'm not sure you've noticed this but it is harder to get experienced editors to change how they edit than it is to get less experienced editors to adapt their editing habits.
 * But I shouldn't have relied on my past experience with Crowsus and their recategorizing efforts blind me to the fact that working outside of CFD on a recategorizing project at this scale needs some community review. Because I see all of the categories that have been emptied, I do know of at several other editors who over the past few months have done something similar on less visible subjects than athletes, like changing the categories for all of the villages in Turkey or the districts for many of the towns in the Ukraine. Since I'm not an expert on rugby or cricket players or villages in Turkey, I usually bow to their experience and knowledge but if you have a better solution to experienced editors emptying categories or recategorizing entire branches of a category tree, I'd welcome hearing your opinion. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 18:56, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, almost all of the 300+ categories that Crowsus emptied had been created by the same, currently blocked editor so I had thought perhaps they had been incorrectly set up. But that's still not a great excuse for me not to stop after the first dozen of empty categories and ask what was going on. But in case you are unaware, empty categories sit in a holding category, Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion, for 7 days just to address problems like this should they arise. It often happens that categories are only temporarily empty and the tag is removed. But the tagging of the category starts the 7 day waiting period. Liz Read! Talk! 18:59, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, finally, there is a little-known but great script, User:Nardog/CatChangesViewer, that will allow you to see what articles/pages have been recently added or removed from a category, which editor added or removed them and the date of the action. It's very useful for repopulating categories. For some reason, we have quite a few editors who nominate categories for deletion at WP:CFD and then empty the category before the discussion is closed. I've stated many times how this defeats the purpose of having a deletion discussion but that hasn't stopped it from happening. Liz Read! Talk! 19:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And now Crowsus has repeated their actions and there are over 200 categories that have been emptied (see Database reports/Empty categories). I'm certainly not going to retag them since they have already gone through tagging and untagging process. I left a message on their talk page but this is becoming disruptive. Liz Read! Talk! 20:28, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all your help on this! Grutness... wha?   01:58, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, Grutness, to be honest, I don't know what to do at this point. There are still almost two hundred Sportspeople from X categories that are empty for several days now. Do I retag them? Do we revert Crowsus' edits? They are clearly not going to do so despite requests. Liz Read! Talk! 21:07, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm filling a dozen or so per day, but I simply haven't the time to go through all of them in one hit. Reverting might be the best way - that way at least we'll know which categories are undersized and can be sent to cfd. Grutness... wha?   02:23, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * - I think I've refilled all 300 or so (except for a few which didn't have any potential entries, which I deleted), and made "back-trees" for a few where it didn't look like they'd be viable (e.g., for Rugby union players from Foo, I might have needed to make Sportspeople from Foo, People from Foo, and Foo categories). Next it'll be a case of going through them in batches and see which ones should go to cfd. That was a lot of work, and I think I need to have a lie down now! Grutness... wha?   11:27, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Grutness, thank you for taking on this time consuming task. If it was me, because I know nothing about rugby, I would have considered doing a big revert of all of the edits that emptied these categories but you took your time and were more careful about it. I realize what an investment of time that probably was. I still see a few of them in the Empty categories category but I assume they are legitimately empty. Thanks again and I hope this kind of incident doesn't come up again...we might not always have an admin or editor who cares as much about fixing the problem as you did. Liz Read! Talk! 20:54, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No prob - just chalk it down to my OCD :) Grutness... wha?   01:25, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to an in-person meetup in Mohua / Golden Bay
Thinking about your summer break? Think about joining other Wikipedians and Wikimedians in Golden Bay / Mohua! Details are on the meetup page. There's heaps of interesting stuff to work on e.g. the oldest extant waka or New Zealand's oldest ongoing legal case. Or you may spend your time taking photos and then upload them.

Golden Bay is hard to get to and the airline flying into Tākaka uses small planes, so we are holding some seats from and to Wellington and we are offering attendees a $200 travel subsidy to help with costs.

Be in touch with Schwede66 if this event interests you and you'd like to discuss logistics.  Schwede 66  09:14, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Summer City (Wellington)
Just like to thank you for your fine edits on the summer city (Wellington) article... barthomme b'art homme 00:53, 23 November 2023 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by B'art homme (talk • contribs)
 * No problem - glad they were appreciated! Grutness... wha?   03:05, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Two Cars, One Night
Hi, I am asking you this because you are living in New Zealand and have edited Two Cars, One Night. My curiosity is piqued on one small issue (too small to ask that on the article's talk page): None of the prominent featured cars have side mirrors, the "middle-mirror behind the windscreen" is featured, though. Are these side mirrors at the outside of driver's (and front passenger's) side not mandatory in NZ? The cars also not look like these mirrors have been removed for a better filming experience. -- Rava77 (talk) 05:46, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * For cars manufactured from 2000, they must have an internal mirror plus a right-side external mirror. For cars before 2000 (which would probably apply to the film you mention), they must have either an internal mirror or a right-side external mirror.- gadfium 05:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that explains it, the cars all look like they have been manufactured before 2000, so only the internal mirror would do. Thanks for the heads up. Rava77 (talk) 06:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yup - Gadfium's right. Thanks for answering Rava77's question, G! Grutness... wha?   07:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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2000s New Zealand single stub template
Hello,

What happened with Template:2000s-NZ-single-stub and Template:2000s-NewZealand-single-stub? They redirect to each other and I can't find any remnants of the original template in either page's history... Thanks! ~ Eejit43 ( talk ) 01:43, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Damn good question. I've restored an early deleted version of the stub - should work now. No idea why the move went dramatic. Grutness... wha?   02:33, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Clyde Quay School Wikipedia page
Hello, I have chose to revert your edits because of how you reworded some sentences. They felt too simple and you didn't put sentences in the right order. But however, I did re-add some things that I reverted from your edit because I found them to be useful. Thanks for the new features though. I'm happy for you to edit more, but please don't simplify sentences too much. Wetbeans (talk) 18:24, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

 * And please don't revert my changes before I can respond. Wetbeans (talk) 18:25, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I will fix your edits. Wetbeans (talk) 18:34, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * By the way, sorry if I sound aggressive. Wetbeans (talk) 18:34, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, it's surprising that they "felt too simple" and weren't "in the right order". I suppose my 25 years' experience as a professional editor hasn't stood me in good stead - as indeed my 18 years as an editor on Wikipedia. But that's OK. I'll have a look at the article again and see if there are any mistakes that need fixing. PS - I'm glad that you are happy for me to edit more, because that's how Wikipedia works. Once a person has written an article, anyone can edit it to improve it. Please check WP:OWN. Grutness... wha?   03:40, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I probably should've checked it again. I genuinely have no idea why I said it was too simple. I like what you added, and I built off it because it was good. Just re-reverted a couple of things. They weren't major. Wetbeans (talk) 04:32, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * S'alright. Grutness... wha?   04:35, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Frederick Fulton
Hi - I haven't done this before but have noticed an error in the Valpy-Fulton-Jeffreys family tree - James Fulton and Catherine Valpy Fulton had 7 children (not 6), and the son you called Henry is actually Herbert Valpy Fulton. He was the father of Julius Herbert Fulton (1901-1973) founder (with Bob Hogan) of Fulton Hogan. 103.250.118.72 (talk) 09:16, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * OK - thanks for that. I'll see whether I can change the tree, though it may need redoing in an interactive form (which is beyond me). Grutness... wha?   11:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Snow fields of Victoria Land

A tag has been placed on Category:Snow fields of Victoria Land indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 22:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Woollaston
Hi there,

Just to say I have added quite a bit to your Woollaston page.If you have a chance to have a quick look it would be great. Hope it is all ok and thanks for your initial page, there's still a lot of NZ art people without one. Cheers,  Manymanydogs (talk) 03:21, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Haven't checked it thoroughly, but it looks good! I'd do more NZ art articles myself, but I write about NZ art for a living, so it feels too much like work :) Grutness... wha?   06:22, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks
Boy do I owe you for fix the name of the Brooke Gifford page. Thanks so much for your continued help. Cheers, Manymanydogs (talk) 06:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No prob. I keep an eye on NZ art-related articles because I work in the field myself (I review art for the Otago Daily Times). Grutness... wha?   10:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Mountains of King Edward VII Land

A tag has been placed on Category:Mountains of King Edward VII Land indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 19:36, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Why do people keep emptying these categories??? Grutness... wha?   04:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Czech geo-stubs
Hello, Can you please stop with the mass edits until the discussion about proposed deletion will be over? The use of these categories is unsystematic and they are just a historical relic. Thank you. FromCzech (talk) 04:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There is clear evidence that the templates and categories were originally acknowledged for use at WP:WPSS (they are listed here). There is also clear evidence that they would be useful - the Central Bohemia category is over the limit at which it should be split at WPSS (600 stubs). It seems that simply no-one got round to populating them. All I am doing is using the stub templates as they were intended. If the categories do not measure up to the 60+ stubs needed for each, then they can be upmerged with no prejudice against them being re-created if and when they meet the required 60 stub standard. In any case, the original proposal, of deleting the templates, is flawed. If the templates were malformed or not in accordance to stub sorting practice, they would be deleted, but these would simply be upmerged to the main category anyway. The only real way to tell whether they reach that standard already is to stub them appropriately. As such, I am simply following standard practice for WPSS - and also for CFD, in which there is long-standing tradition that if it can be shown that a category is useful (which in stub-sorting means reaching the 60-stub threshold) it will likely be kept. I will, how3ever, complete the district I am currently working on, and then pause. PS: If they are a historical relic, then they should not be categorised within the permcats for the various districts (e.g., ) and the whole of the Central Bohemia catalogue tree needs to be changed. Grutness... wha?   05:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the pause. Only three districts would exceed 65 stubs (Benešov and Kolín being two of them), and the rest are below 60 or have 61–65 stubs and will soon fall below your threshold. From the logic of the matter, it does not make sense that only three districts should be singled out from the whole country so that Central Bohemia could fall below 600. The current number does not make it over-sized. 60 is the bare minimum, but that doesn't mean it has to be blindly followed when it clearly doesn't make sense. FromCzech (talk) 05:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It makes perfect sense for three to be singled out if they all fall above threshold. That's the way stub sorting works. You can see upmerged templates in many similar stub categories, just waiting to reach the point where they reach the threshold. If they fall well below the threshold, then they become upmerged; if they later reach the threshold, they get their own categories. Have a look, for instance, at, which has some regions split out because they reached threshold, and more umperged because they haven't. The same is true with , , , and . And that's just looking at top level categories, and only at Europe. You're also likely to find that the number of articles - and therefore the number of stubs - grows. At the moment, there's only towns and villages with articles, but sooner or later, it's almost certain that rivers, mountains, lakes, forests, caves, and the like will all get articles. Grutness... wha?   05:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

I remind you result of our discussion (Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 16). The CentralBohemian stub ctegory is not overized and the sub-categories should remain empty. I don't understand why you started acting contrary to the compromise of the debate. FromCzech (talk) 15:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The result of the debate - and I quote - was keep and populate the templates. As such, I am doing exactly what the CFD discussion decided. And all of the templates currently point to the subcategories. If any of the subcategories fail to reach the required viable number of stubs, then they can be proposed for upmerging, but no categories were proposed for deletion in the previous discussion, so as they are there and the templates are pointing to them, that is where the stubs will go unless they are proposed. What I don't understand is why you reverted all the district template use - for instance here, without mentioning in your edit summaries what you were doing. This was completely contrary to stub-sorting practice and in direct opposition to the decision reached at CFD. Grutness... wha?   16:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I didn't notice it was so explicitly stated in the header. But I don't know on what basis, because no one else followed my last post and you were the only one to speak up for their populating. I emptied the category that was full, because I thought that was the agreement. But although the result is there as it is, in my opinion the categories where the number does not reach 60 should not be filled. FromCzech (talk) 17:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So far, the only one I've worked on that hasn't has reached 58 so far. Grutness... wha?   17:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * In any case, the easiest way to tell from here is to populate the templates, as was stated, and then it'll be easy to tell which categories don't meet the target. From there it would be a simple job to propose the categories for deletion and to upmerge the templates for any that are deleted back into the main CBR category. That would not mean changing the template on any of the articles - it would simply mean repointing the template to the parent category. Grutness... wha?   17:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * As to why that was the decision, of the discussion, it was almost certainly because my argument was based on long-standing practice. Yours wasn't. Grutness... wha?   17:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's hard to believe what is "long-standing practice" and what isn't when no one else has gotten too involved in the discussion. E.g. you called the 600 stubs limit as common practice, but that's the limit you stick to, not Wiki policy, which says 800. FromCzech (talk) 17:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, it's been standard practice all the time I've been in the stub-sorting project - which is almost 17 years now. By Wikipedia standards, that's definitely long-standing, and the closing admin clearly understood that, as do most people who've had anything to do with stub sorting. Grutness... wha?   18:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I resign, fill the categories out as you plan. But I'm continuously de-stubing articles, so please respect, if the category is under 60 and should be upmerged or whatever you call it. FromCzech (talk) 18:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I will nominate any category that is too small for deletion. BTW - I looked at quite a few of the articles on Czech villages that weren't marked as stubs, and about half of them should have been. Many of them only had about three or four sentences of text. Grutness... wha?   18:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * If a municipality is small and there is almost nothing, even a few sentences can be an exhaustive description, or at least enough to be on Start level per Content assessment definition. FromCzech (talk) 18:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I know that - please check out my essay on the subject. But in some cases those articles clearly have so little information to not qualify as Start-class. Grutness... wha?   01:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Auckland Museum award

 * Excellent! Thank you! Grutness... wha?   03:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Mexican baseball players
Hello there! I agree with you fully about the populated place category. Since you have added a new one, I've withdrawn my nomination but I would love for some help to recreate the deleted categories for players from major cities like Monterrey and so on. I tried to in deletion review but nobody agree nor disagreed on recreation. You think its okay to recreate? Especially since the reasons for deletion were incorrect, IMO. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I got into a bit of flak for creating categories in the first place. Personally, I think they make sense, though. I'll re-make the Monterrey one but I'll probably stop after that, in case it gets someone's ire up again. Grutness... wha?   11:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Grutness, I will back you up on it if you do get any ire. It just doesn't make sense to NOT have those while, concurrently, there is a whole tree of sportspeople by city and sport (see Category:Sportspeople by sport and populated place). Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Cheers. :) Grutness... wha?   11:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There are now eight subcategories. Pretty sure those are the only viable (≥ 5 article) city-level categories for baseball in Mexico. Grutness... wha?   12:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Albanian basketball players by populated place has been nominated for merging
Category:Albanian basketball players by populated place has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. User:Namiba 11:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Off topic - requesting support to add references
Hi Grutness, I did a draft on Dignan. Not sure if I may contact you like this... but wondering if you can support with some recent references as the draft is declined. Thanks and regards! Davidindia (talk) 05:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh! Erm... well, I'm flattered. I'm not sure how much I'd be allowed to add. Someone has tried writing an article about me on Wikipedia before which was also turned down... I'm not really sure that I'm notable enough (though I'm working on it :) here are a couple more possible references though. Grutness... wha?   05:51, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Haha, that's awesome. You aren't allowed to add anything, of course, but can provide references (and photos) for others to do something with, James. I hope you get this over the line, . Given that I've never met you, James, I don't think that there's anything wrong with me editing the draft; that's what I've just done (although nothing of any substance). Say if you want me to keep away from it, though.  Schwede 66  07:00, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 *  Schwede 66  08:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Heh - no, that's fine. :) If it gets over the line, I could easily supply a photo or something. Grutness... wha?   11:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Now that we have a Wikidata item, we’d like a photo regardless 😎  Schwede 66  14:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Sigh. Okay. This is embarrassing! Here you go. You might want to update the categories on Commons 😎 Grutness... wha?   16:06, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

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Do you still need mediation for the Battle of Elasa article?
I found your request for mediation by the Mediation Cabal. However, when I look at the talk page for the Battle of Elasa article, it seems that any dispute has been resolved amicably. Am I reading things wrong? Do you still need mediation?

Richard 08:51, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Mediation for the Battle of Elasa article?
Hi, there, I have been assigned to mediate on Battle of Elasa; however, when checking the page history, I've seen that the article has not been edited since April 16. So, let me repeat the question above: do you still need mediation on that article? If so, I'll be happy to help. Pecher Talk 18:21, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Mediation Case: 2006-04-27 Sri Venkateswara College of Engineering
You have indicated that you are willing to accept an assignment as a mediator. I have assigned this case to you. If you don't want to take the case on, just say so at the bottom of the request, delegate it to someone else and update the case list accordingly. Before you begin the mediation please read the suggestions for mediators. You can also review earlier mediation cases to get an understanding for possible procedures. --Fasten 11:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

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User:PioM

Piom (PioM) was created from my names: Peter (Polish: Piotr) and Michael

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James Hamilton, 4th Duke of Abercorn

James Edward Hamilton, 4th Duke of Abercorn (29 February 1904 – 4 June 1979), styled Viscount Strabane until 1913 and Marquess of Hamilton between 1913 and 1953, was a British peer. He was the son of James Hamilton, 3rd Duke of Abercorn, and Lady Rosalind Cecilia Caroline Bingham. He inherited his father's peerages on 12 September 1953.

Career
The then-Lord Hamilton attended Eton. He was commissioned into the Grenadier Guards, where he rose to the rank of captain. In 1946, he was elected to the County Council of County Tyrone, served as High Sheriff of Tyrone, and then served in the Senate of Northern Ireland. He became Lord Lieutenant of County Tyrone on his father's death, a position he held for the remainder of his life. He was appointed honorary colonel of the 5th Battalion, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers (a Territorial Army unit), and died at age 75.

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In 1928 he married Lady Kathleen Crichton (1905–1990), a daughter of Henry Crichton, Viscount Crichton (1872–1914, son of the 4th and father of the 5th Earl of Erne) and Lady Mary Cavendish Grosvenor (1883–1959, daughter of the 1st Duke of Westminster).

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User:Grutness

James Dignan (User:Grutness) is less involved in Wikipedia than he used to be, owing to the over-officiousness of several users who have made this site no longer the enjoyable place it used to be. Whereas at one time it was a case of two steps forward, one step back - manageable, but annoying - it is now frequently one step forward, four or five steps back, with accompanying bitching, zealousness and self-glorifying bossiness. This is not what the site should be - it should be a community, with emphasis on the CO-, meaning together. I'm still around though, but doing more general editing than massive amounts of admin work.

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If you really must know something about me, I'm an admin, and have made just over 300,000 edits, started several thousand articles, and uploaded almost 1000 photos and diagrams either to Wikipedia or Wikicommons. I've been a Wikipedian since 2004. Three essays which I have written are used as guidelines on Wikipedia:

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Bert Convy

Bernard Whalen "Bert" Convy (July 23, 1933 – July 15, 1991) was an American actor, singer, game-show panelist, and host known for Tattletales, Super Password, and Win, Lose or Draw.

Early life
Convy was born in St. Louis, Missouri, the son of Bernard Fleming and Monica (née Whalen) Convy. Convy's family moved to Los Angeles when he was 7 years old. He later attended North Hollywood High School, where he was an all-around athlete. The Philadelphia Phillies offered him a contract when he was just 17 and he played two years of Minor League Baseball in 1951–52. He later joined the 1950s vocal band The Cheers, who had a top-10 hit in 1955 with "Black Denim Trousers and Motorcycle Boots".

Convy attended UCLA School of Theater, Film and Television, where he received a bachelor's degree.

Early years
After a two-season stint in the Philadelphia Phillies' minor league system with the Klamath Falls Gems, Miami Eagles, and Salina Blue Jays, Convy began his career in the entertainment business as a featured performer and singer in the Billy Barnes Revues of the 1950s and 1960s. Bert portrayed a CBS usher on Art Linkletter's House Party in 1956. He appeared in the 1961 Warner Bros. drama Susan Slade, playing Troy Donahue′s rival for the affections of Connie Stevens. Convy went on to become a Broadway actor, starring as Perchik in the original cast of Fiddler on the Roof (1964), appearing in The Impossible Years (1965), and creating the role of Cliff Bradshaw in Cabaret (1966). He also appeared in the Roger Corman film A Bucket of Blood, playing Lou Raby, and in the soap opera Love of Life, playing Glenn Hamilton, a rapist. He also appeared on The Partridge Family, playing the role of politician Richard Lawrence in the 1972 episode "A Likely Candidate".

Game shows
In the 1960s and 1970s, Convy was a popular semiregular panelist on several game shows, including What's My Line?, To Tell the Truth, Match Game (he later starred as the host of the pilot for Match Game '90 in 1989), and Password. He soon took the podium himself as host of several game shows, including the fourth edition of Password (called Super Password) (1984–1989) and Tattletales (1974–1978, 1982–1984), for which he won a Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Game Show Host in 1977. In 1979, he appeared on Password Plus with fellow celebrity contestants such as Elizabeth Montgomery, Carol Burnett, Phyllis Diller, Judy Norton Taylor, Marcia Wallace, and Elaine Joyce.

Convy and Burt Reynolds formed their own production company, Burt and Bert Productions, during the 1980s. Their first production was a game show titled Win, Lose or Draw, which made its debut in 1987 as part of the NBC daytime lineup and in nightly syndication. Convy hosted the syndicated edition of Win, Lose or Draw for its first two seasons, then left the show to host another of his company's productions, the syndicated 3rd Degree.

When 3rd Degree went to pilot, Peter Marshall was brought in to be the host. When the series was picked up for syndication, however, Convy decided to leave his position as the host of the syndicated edition of Win, Lose or Draw and take Marshall's place on 3rd Degree. Marshall filed a lawsuit against Convy for the action, but later dropped it after Convy's cancer diagnosis was made public.

Around the time that 3rd Degree was cancelled, Convy was called upon by Mark Goodson Productions again to host a week's worth of pilot episodes for a revival of Match Game that Goodson was attempting to sell to ABC.

Acting
Convy turned to acting full-time in 1956 and was in the musical The Billy Barnes Revue in Los Angeles before moving to New York City. He appeared in 10 Broadway shows, including Nowhere to Go but Up, Cabaret (in which he originated the role of Cliff, a fictionalized Christopher Isherwood), and The Impossible Years. He played reporter Hildy Johnson in a 1969 Broadway revival of The Front Page, which starred Robert Ryan. In the original Broadway cast of Fiddler on the Roof with Zero Mostel, Convy played Perchik the Student and sang "Now I Have Everything". He filled in for Raul Julia in the lead role of Guido Contini in the Broadway musical Nine when Julia went on vacation.

Convy guest-starred in an April 1960 episode of Perry Mason titled "The Case of the Nimble Nephew". In the 1960–1961 season, Convy guest-starred on Pat O'Brien's short-lived sitcom Harrigan and Son and the series 77 Sunset Strip in the role of David. In 1961, he appeared in the Alfred Hitchcock Presents episode "Museum Piece". He portrayed Roxy in the pilot episode of The New Phil Silvers Show in 1963, although the role went to Pat Renella for the remainder of the series' run. He was also cast on an episode of The Mary Tyler Moore Show as Mary's friend Jack Foster, alongside future Alice star Beth Howland. In 1973, Convy was a guest star in two episodes of Hawaii Five-O.

In 1974, Convy portrayed Lieutenant Steve Ostrowski, the police officer nephew of elderly amateur sleuths on the short-lived series The Snoop Sisters.

Convy attempted a short-lived variety series called The Late Summer Early Fall Bert Convy Show in 1976. In 1979, he appeared with the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders in their eponymous television movie. Throughout his career, Convy was a frequent guest star on series such as Bewitched, Hawaii Five-O, The Partridge Family, Mission: Impossible, The Silent Force, The New Phil Silvers Show, Fantasy Island, Charlie's Angels, and Murder, She Wrote (including the pilot episode). On The Love Boat, Season 2 Episode 11: "Legal Eagles" (1978), he played Danny Holt, a divorced man who falls for his ex-wife's lawyer. In 1983, Convy was cast as Neil Townsend on the sitcom It's Not Easy, playing opposite Ken Howard. Convy had joined the project when it was recast after its intended premiere in the 1982–83 season was delayed; he earned the role originally given to Larry Breeding, who was killed in a car accident in September 1982 after the first pilot had been shot.

Convy also starred in several movies, perhaps most memorably Semi-Tough (1977), in which he played a caricature of Werner Erhard named Friedrich Bismark. His other film credits included A Bucket of Blood (1959), Susan Slade (1961), Philippe de Broca's Les Caprices de Marie (1970), SST: Death Flight (1977), the horror film Jennifer (1978), Hanging by a Thread (1979), Racquet (1979), The Man in the Santa Claus Suit (1979), Hero at Large (1980), The Cannonball Run (1981), and the television movie Help Wanted: Male (1982). Convy tried his hand at directing with the comedy Weekend Warriors (1986). In 1980, Convy produced and directed the Goodspeed Musicals premiere of Zapata, with music and lyrics by Harry Nilsson and Perry Botkin Jr. and libretto by Allan Katz.

Personal life
Convy was married twice. He married Anne Anderson in 1959; together they had three children: Jennifer, Joshua, and Jonah. Convy and Anderson divorced in 1991. Convy married his second wife, Catherine Hills, five months before his death.

Death
In April 1990, Convy was admitted to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center after collapsing while visiting his mother, who had been hospitalized for a stroke. He was diagnosed with a glioblastoma, which forced him into retirement. On July 15, 1991, Convy died at his home in Brentwood, Los Angeles, eight days before his 58th birthday. He is buried at Forest Lawn Memorial Park in the Hollywood Hills of Los Angeles.

Partial filmography

 * Gunman's Walk (1958) as Paul Chauard
 * A Bucket of Blood (1959) as Lou Raby
 * One Step Beyond (March 15, 1960) (Season 2 Episode 26: "The Explorer") as Professor Andersson
 * Perry Mason (1960) (Season 3 Episode 21: "The Nimble Nephew") as Harry Thompson
 * Alfred Hitchcock Presents (1961) (Season 6 Episode 25: "Museum Piece") as Ben Hollister
 * Susan Slade (1961) as Wells Corbett
 * Act One (1961) as Archie Leach
 * 77 Sunset Strip (April 7, 1961) (Season 3 Episode 30: "Vamp 'til Ready") as Pianist David Todd
 * The New Phil Silvers Show (1963) (Season 1 Episode 5: "Harry Today, Gone Tomorrow") as Roxy
 * Give Her the Moon (1970) as Broderick MacPower
 * Death Takes a Holiday (TV movie, 1971) as John Cummings
 * Keep the Faith (1972) as Rabbi Miller
 * Mission: Impossible (1972) (Season 6 Episode 22: "Trapped") as Doug Stafford
 * The Mary Tyler Moore Show (1972) (Season 3 Episode 10: "Have I Found a Guy for You") as Jack Foster
 * Lady Luck (TV movie, 1973) as Clay
 * The Girl on the Late, Late Show (TV movie, 1974) as F.J. Allen
 * Shakespeare Loves Rembrandt (TV movie, 1974)
 * Hawaii Five-O (1975) (Season 7 Episode 17: "Small Witness, Large Crime") as Hubbard
 * The Love Boat II (TV movie, 1977) as Ralph Manning
 * SST: Death Flight (TV movie, 1977) as Tim Vernon
 * Semi-Tough (1977) as Friedrich Bismark
 * Jennifer (1978) as Jeff Reed
 * Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery (TV movie, 1978) as Bill Dent
 * Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders (TV movie, 1979) as Lyman Spencer
 * Hanging by a Thread (TV movie, 1979) as Alan Durant
 * Racquet (1979) as Tommy Everett
 * Charlie's Angels (1979) (Season 4 Episode 1: "Love Boat Angels") as Paul Hollister
 * Ebony, Ivory and Jade (TV movie, 1979) as Mick Jade
 * The Man in the Santa Claus Suit (TV movie, 1979) as Gil Travis
 * Hero at Large (1980) as Walter Reeves
 * The Cannonball Run (1981) as Brad
 * Jacqueline Susann's Valley of the Dolls (TV mini-series, 1981) as Tony Polar
 * Help Wanted: Male (TV movie, 1982) as Skip McCullough
 * Love Thy Neighbor (TV movie, 1984) as Mike Wilson

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Thin Lizzy (album)

Thin Lizzy is the debut studio album by Irish rock band Thin Lizzy, released on 30 April 1971. The album was followed by the EP New Day, produced and recorded by Nick Tauber at Decca Studios on 14–17 June 1971 and released on 20 August 1971. The songs from the EP were included in later editions of the album.

Background and recording
In the autumn of 1970, Brian Tuite and Peter Bardon took over the management of Thin Lizzy. Lynott told Tuite: "we've got twelve songs at the moment that we'd be happy enough to record". after listening to some of the songs Tuite tried to find a record deal for the band. Since he had a good friendship with Decca Records's A&R man, Frank Rodgers, tried to arrange a gig for Thin Lizzy and another of his acts, soul singer Ditch Cassidy. Cassidy lacked his regular band, and so Tuite put Thin Lizzy as his backing band. After watching Thin Lizzy's performance at the Zhivago Club on 12 November 1970, Frank Rodgers showed his interest in them rather than Cassidy, and offered them a record deal with Decca; however, Rodgers also suggested another showcase gig for other Decca personnel before signing a contract. This time the band performed their original material. "Look What The Wind Blew In" was one of the songs that caught Rodgers's attention. Afterward Tuite travelled to London to meet Decca's head of A & R, Dick Rowe. The paperwork was drawn up on 12 November 1970, and on the first day of December, Decca officially signed “Tin Lissy" to a one-year recording contract, with the option of extending the deal by two further periods of one year in September 1971 and September 1972. All going well, they were committed to delivering three albums to the company. The advance was £500, with a further £500 to be paid after the album had been completed. Thin Lizzy left Ireland after an afternoon gig on 3 January 1971 at the Afton Club in Dundalk, to start recording their first album in London's Decca Studios. On their way to London, Lynott met John Peel and introduced Thin Lizzy to him; within ten months Peel would be booking the group for a session on his Radio 1 show, on 12 October 1971. The band booked a guesthouse in Sussex Gardens in which to stay during the first album recording. The work began on the Monday morning and was done on Friday evening. Brian Downey says: "We got up at nine in the morning, [went] into the studio, played from about ten or half ten to eight or nine, then clocked off and went back to the guesthouse. Then we did it again, for the whole week". According to manager Brian Tuite, while working with producer Scott English, Lynott had a fight with him about the bass sound: "Philip fell out a bit with him because Scott wanted to turn down the bass. It got to the stage where I was up in the control room and Scott would say, 'Go down and tell the bass player to turn down.' He wouldn’t use the [talkback] mike because Phil wouldn't do it anyway. So I'd say to Philip, 'The Bearded One wants you to turn down the bass,' and he'd say, 'Tell that fucking Yank to piss off.' He knew full well the mike would be open." Eric Bell explained that the band was stoned during the whole process of recording and that he doesn't remember anything from the sessions but he remembers Scott English's accompaniment with band of giving them bags of weed: "We were permanently stoned. Scott English was this jovial American guy, a nice big bloke. He had this enormous bag of grass in one of the drawers in the studio. He brought it out, threw it on the table and said, 'Help yourselves, boys!' That was it. I can’t actually remember recording the first album. I didn’t know anything until the end of the record, it was just a haze. Smoking a bit of dope and playing music went hand-in-hand for us. We were just that type of band at that point in time. It seemed to work for us, we got ideas. There was a lot of things on that album that were completely ad-libbed."

Reception
Eduardo Rivadavia, in a retrospective review for AllMusic, described the album as "surprisingly mellow" and wrote that a number of songs sound "confused and unfinished". However, he did describe "Look What the Wind Blew In" as a "hint of things to come", and that the bonus track "Dublin" from the "New Day" EP contained "Lynott's first great lyric". Canadian journalist Martin Popoff appreciated the experimental flavour of the album "drawing mainly from bluesy non-metal influences" and found the compositions "astonishingly well written, very Irish, very heart-felt".

Artwork
According to Decca's record sleeve co-ordinator, John Slater, Phil Lynott came to his office to discuss ideas for the album cover and to explain his ideas: "His first notion was for a burning hand coming out of a freshly dug grave! He wasn't interested in doing it with a cartoon twist, it had to be real life." They decided upon an American automobile theme, but failed to find the right car, so eventually chose a fish-eye photograph of the headlight of "a Vauxhall Victor or something like that." Lack of communication between Decca and Thin Lizzy resulted in the album cover initially having the wrong spelling of the band's name, showing 'Tin Lizzy'. Philip Tapsfield of the Decca Art Department recalls: "One of our in-house artists, David Ansty, designed their sleeve. He actually did the sleeve with the name 'Tin Lizzy' instead of 'Thin Lizzy'." Decca tried to convince the band to change their name instead of designing the cover again, but the band's refusal resulted in the postponement of the album release for a week, while the artwork was being corrected. The band's manager Ted Carroll has also stated that another designer, Walt McGuire from Decca American, designed different artwork for the US release, which is now a collector's item. The US album cover shows a mini cartoon model of a Ford Model T car (aka Tin Lizzie) driving over a naked female hip, while the back sleeve features various band photos including a fish-eye shot taken in Dublin in autumn 1970, by photographer Roy Esmonde, along with some shots taken in the studio.

Influence
The song "Honesty Is No Excuse" was covered by Cass McCombs on his 2013 album Big Wheel and Others.

Remastered and expanded release
On 11 October 2010, a new remastered and expanded version of Thin Lizzy was released. This version features the following bonus tracks:

Personnel
Thin Lizzy
 * Philip Lynott – vocals, bass guitar, acoustic guitar
 * Eric Bell – lead guitar, twelve-string guitar
 * Brian Downey – drums, percussion

Additional musicians
 * Ivor Raymonde – mellotron on "Honesty Is No Excuse"
 * Eric Wrixon – keyboards on "The Farmer"
 * Gary Moore – additional guitar and keyboards on tracks 16–19
 * Midge Ure – additional vocals and guitar on tracks 16–19

Production
 * Scott English – producer
 * Nick Tauber – producer
 * Peter Rynston – engineer
 * Roy Esmonde – photography
 * David Antsy – cover design
 * Walt Mcguire – cover design

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Landon Kuester

Landon Kuester
Contentless: Land on keester, get it? Har-har. — Bill 23:24, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)


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Keiser

Keiser is a derivation of the Germanic Kaiser surname. It may refer to:

People

 * César Keiser (1925–2007), Swiss artist
 * Laurence B. Keiser (1895–1969), a U.S. Army major general who commanded the 2nd Infantry Division in the Korean War
 * Max Keiser (born 1960), a film-maker, broadcaster and former broker and activist
 * Raphaela Keiser (born 1997), Swiss curler
 * Reinhard Keiser (1674–1739), German composer
 * Stephan Keiser, Swiss curler and curling coach

Places

 * Keiser, Arkansas
 * Keiser, Oregon, part of the Salem-Keiser metroplex
 * Keiser, Northumberland County, Pennsylvania

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William Marshall (actor)

William Horace Marshall (August 19, 1924 – June 11, 2003) was an American actor, director and opera singer. He played the title role in the 1972 blaxploitation classic Blacula and its sequel Scream Blacula Scream (1973), and appeared as the King of Cartoons on the 1980s television show Pee-wee's Playhouse and as Dr. Richard Daystrom on the Star Trek television series. He was 6‘5” (1.96 m) tall and was known for his bass voice.

Early life
Marshall was born in Gary, Indiana, to Vereen Marshall, a dentist, and Thelma ( Edwards).

He attended New York University as an art student but transferred to the Actors Studio to study theater. He studied at the American Theatre Wing and with Sanford Meisner at the Neighborhood Playhouse.

Career
Marshall made his Broadway debut in 1944 in Carmen Jones. In 1950, he understudied Boris Karloff as Captain Hook in the Broadway production of Peter Pan. He played the leading role of De Lawd in the 1951 revival of The Green Pastures, a role he repeated in 1958 in a BBC telecast of the play. He performed in several Shakespearean plays on the stage in the U. S. and Europe, including the title role in at least six productions of Othello. Harold Hobson of the London Sunday Times praised Marshall’s portrayal as "the best Othello of our time."

In 1968, Marshall joined the Center Theatre Group at the Ahmanson Theatre in Los Angeles to play Othello in a jazz musical version, Catch My Soul, with Jerry Lee Lewis as Iago.

Marshall portrayed Paul Robeson and Frederick Douglass on stage. He researched Douglass's life extensively, and in 1983 produced and played the lead role in Frederick Douglass: Slave and Statesman.

Film and television career
Marshall's career on screen began in the 1952 film Lydia Bailey as a Haitian leader. He followed that with a prominent role as Glycon, comrade and fellow gladiator to Victor Mature in the 1954 film Demetrius and the Gladiators. His demeanor, voice and stature gave him a wide range, though he was ill-suited for the subservient roles that many black actors of his generation were most frequently offered. He was a leader of the Mau-Mau uprising in Something of Value (1957), and Attorney General Edward Brooke in The Boston Strangler (1968). He was arguably most known for his role in the vampire film Blacula and its sequel Scream Blacula Scream.

In the early 1950s, Marshall starred briefly in Harlem Detective, a series about black police officers. The show was canceled when Marshall was named as a communist in the anti-communist newsletter Counterattack.

Despite blacklisting because of his supposed communist connections, Marshall continued to appear in both television and films. He appeared on the British spy series Danger Man in episodes titled "Deadline" (1962) and "The Galloping Major" (1964). Marshall played the role of traveling opera singer Thomas Bowers in the 1964 Bonanza episode "Enter Thomas Bowers," and that same year he appeared, with actor Ivan Dixon, as the leader of a newly independent African nation and as a T.H.R.U.S.H. agent in the first-season episode of The Man from U.N.C.L.E. entitled "The Vulcan Affair", also on the 1964 Rawhide episode "Incident at Seven Fingers" where he played a Buffalo Soldier. In 1968, he appeared as Dr. Richard Daystrom in the Star Trek episode "The Ultimate Computer". In 1969, he had a special guest appearance as the character Amalek in an episode of The Wild Wild West entitled "The Night of the Egyptian Queen". He reprised his Othello persona in 1979 on Steve Allen's "Meeting of the Minds".

He won two local Emmys for producing and performing in a PBS production, As Adam Early in the Morning, a theatre piece originally performed on stage. He also was featured in an episode of The Alfred Hitchcock Hour titled, "The Jar", with actors Pat Buttram and George Lindsey.

Marshall played the King of Cartoons on Pee-wee's Playhouse, replacing actor Gilbert Lewis, during the 1980s.

In 1985, guest starred on Benson as Mr. Reaper (death) season 7, episode 4 "The Stranger".

Later life and death
In addition to acting and producing, Marshall taught acting at various universities including the University of California, Irvine, and the Mafundi Institute, an African-American arts and music institution in the Watts section of Los Angeles. He did similar work at Chicago's ETA Creative Arts Foundation, which in 1992 named Marshall one of its Epic Men of the 20th century.

For 42 years, Marshall was the partner of Sylvia Gussin Jarrico, former wife of blacklisted screenwriter Paul Jarrico. Marshall died on June 11, 2003, from complications arising from Alzheimer's disease and diabetes. He was survived by sons Tariq, Malcolm, and Claude Marshall and daughter Gina Loring. Eulogists at his funeral included Sidney Poitier, Ivan Dixon, Paul Winfield, and Marla Gibbs.

Awards
In 1974, Marshall won two local Emmys for producing and performing in a PBS production, As Adam Early in the Morning, a theatre piece originally performed on stage.

Filmography

 * Lydia Bailey (1952) – King Dick
 * Demetrius and the Gladiators (1954) – Glycon
 * Something of Value (1957) – Leader – Intellectual in Suit
 * Sabu and the Magic Ring (1957) – Ubal, the genie
 * La fille de feu (1958) – Stork
 * The Big Pride (1961) – Sutlej
 * Piedra de toque (1963) – African Missionary (uncredited)
 * The Alfred Hitchcock Hour (1964) (Season 2 Episode 17: "The Jar") - Jahdoo
 * To Trap a Spy (1964) – Sekue Ashumen
 * The Hell with Heroes (1968) – Al Poland
 * The Boston Strangler (1968) – Atty. Gen. Edward W. Brooke
 * Skullduggery (1970) – Attorney General
 * The Mask of Sheba (1970) – Captain Condor Sekallie
 * Zig Zag (1970) – Morris Bronson
 * Honky (1971) – Dr. Craig Smith
 * Blacula (1972) – Blacula / Mamuwalde
 * Scream Blacula Scream (1973) – Blacula / Mamuwalde
 * Abby (1974) – Bishop Garnet Williams
 * Twilight's Last Gleaming (1977) – William Klinger – Attorney General
 * The Great Skycopter Rescue (1980) – Mr. Jason
 * The Tragedy of Othello (1981) – Othello
 * Vasectomy: A Delicate Matter (1986) – Dr. Dean
 * Amazon Women on the Moon (1987) – Pirate Captain (segment "Video Pirates")
 * Maverick (1994) – Riverboat Poker Player #10
 * Sorceress (1995) – John Geiger
 * Dinosaur Valley Girls (1996) – Dr. Benjamin Michaels

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beachwear

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was - kept

Beachwear
A bizarre article that's been on Cleanup for several days without being touched. I tried to rewrite it to remove the nonsense, but that would have left about one sentence. RickK 23:29, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * This is User:Glogger again. Someone needs to get this guy some help. He appears to be scared silly over the fear that he will have to be decontaminated one day. I'm not voting, I can't tell if this is a Clean Up, a Delete, a Merge and Redirect, or something else, I only know that it is not a Keep As Is.
 * Delete. Silly. Wyllium 23:50, 2004 Oct 13 (UTC)
 * Abstain; I gotta admit I like it, and there are lots of points of contact with reality. — Bill 01:03, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, but cut the final section. I did get a chuckle out of it -- In today's world of bioterror scares, urban beachwear, worn under regular clothing, may be the answer to otherwise embarrassing mass decontamination or stripdowns ... -- what's more, bright colors never go out of style! Be that as it may, beachware is a notable topic. Wile E. Heresiarch 04:35, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. I changed my mind; it's just an essay. User:Glogger (Steve Mann) is using Wikipedia as a blog to dump his musings and photography. See also naked. Wile E. Heresiarch 20:21, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Oh, what the heck?! Would someone like to talk to him? The next step will have to be a Request for Comment.func(talk) 20:28, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm prepared to accept criticism, but please try to be constructive, e.g. although some of my writings and pictures may be garbage ("dump") I'm sure that some of them are also good, e.g. I've gotten praise for some of my contributions. When I teach my students or review papers written by my colleagues, I try to be specific and detailed in criticism and review.  I believe that's the intended nature of peer review, e.g. if some of my work is "dump" (garbage) it would be helpful to know which work, and specifically how it might be improved, e.g. if there are poor quality pictures, it would be good to see those identified, so I can improve my technique.  I often shoot specifically for Wikipedia, as I wander around and see everyday objects in new ways, that are not yet in the Wikipedia.  For example, I took hundreds of pictures of pole transformers to get the one I finally submitted to Wikipedia, which I captured just before sunset, when the lighting was just right.  I spent quite a bit of effort trying to get a nice mixture of natural light and electronic flash, with the right exposure, and a good solid tripod, the right lens, etc., in order to get the most illustrative transformer picture possible.  I also tried a number of different transformers to get one that looked nice.  If that's "dump" or garbage quality, please advise.  Or maybe it's some of my other contributions that are below standard, but specific identification of which and where would be very helpful. Glogger 00:57, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Author must have been in a changeroom for too long.  [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk)]] 07:15, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)
 * Reason for vote would be helpful, e.g. reference to changeroom article makes the reason ambiguous, e.g. it could be "delete because other articles written by same person are no good" but that would only be a first guess. A more clear reason would help in the peer review process. Glogger 13:40, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Glogger appears to have a very large stash. Decontaminate by deleting what is a rambling, pseudo-academic discussion of a topic that does not need explication. Geogre 14:28, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Silly, and topic is best handled as part of some other article. We don't want articles on, say, Operawear either. --Improv 18:08, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * A better analogy than operawear would be streetwear or business attire or formalwear or mess dress. Like beachwear, they refer to a more generic location (like the street, coastal regions, or office areas) than something so specific as operawear or hockey uniforms or baseball uniforms that are more specific to one specific activity.  Beachwear spans a broad range of activities on or near any coastal region where the level of formality in dress is somewhat less than the urban core, apart from urban beaches which represent infusion of this coastal ambiance into the downtown core. Glogger 13:46, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep and either cleanup or find a good home for some of the information and m/r. — siro  χ  o  19:41, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Remove the original research/essay and it's a dictdef.   — Gwalla | Talk 00:16, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep and clean up. The Recycling Troll 18:39, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve, expand, add new references, etc., since there seems to be a trend toward more spaces where beachwear would be of use and relevance, e.g. we just got back from a conference in New York where there's alot more new urban architecture being built in which beachlike spaces are appearing, with a growing need for beachwear. If there's problems with the article, please let me know and I'll try and re-write it to conform to Wikipedia style guidelines more closely.  Glogger 01:11, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I'd welcome comments, thoughts, ideas, etc., on how the article could be improved; talk to me on my user talk page. Glogger
 * Keep. There appears to be enough that could be written on this to make it encyclopedic. (see my concerns on the talk page) The decontamination paragraph needs to be removed, though.  I think I'll do it myself. JesseW 02:40, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep Beachwear is a common term and common items in Australia. Can't see why it can't be cleaned up. - Ta bu shi da yu 12:22, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * This is definitely an encyclopedic subject, so keep, but this needs vigorous editing and rewriting into a better state. -- The Anome 13:52, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Ampelokipoi

Ampelokipoi (Greek: Αμπελόκηποι) may refer to the following places in Greece:

 * Ampelokipoi, Achaea, part of Aigeira, Achaea
 * Ampelokipoi, Athens, a section in the north of the municipality of Athens
 * Ampelokipoi, Thessaloniki, a suburb and former municipality of the Thessaloniki Urban Area
 * Ampelokipoi, Zakynthos, a village on Zakynthos

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Little Bird

Little Bird(s) may refer to:

Film and television

 * Little Bird (film), a 1997 Spanish drama film
 * Little Bird, a 2000 British TV film directed by Aisling Walsh
 * Little Birds (film), a 2011 American film by Elgin James
 * Little Bird (TV series), a 2023 Canadian drama series
 * Little Birds (TV series), a 2020 British series based on stories by Anaïs Nin (see below)
 * Little Bird, a character from Sesame Street

Literature

 * Little Birds (short story collection), a 1979 book by Anaïs Nin
 * Little Bird, a 2008 novel by Camilla Way
 * Little Bird, a 2019 comic book mini-series by Ian Bertram and Darcy Van Poelgeest

Albums

 * Little Bird (Kasey Chambers album) or the title song, 2010
 * Little Bird (Misty Edwards album) or the title song, 2014
 * Little Bird, by Pete Jolly, or the title song, 1963

Songs

 * "Little Bird" (Annie Lennox song), 1993
 * "Little Bird" (Beach Boys song), 1968
 * "Little Bird", by the Beau Brummels from Bradley's Barn, 1968
 * "Little Bird", by Cass Fox from Come Here, 2005
 * "Little Bird", by Dr. Dog from Passed Away, Vol. 1, 2008
 * "Little Bird", by Ed Sheeran from +, 2011
 * "Little Bird", by Eels from End Times, 2010
 * "Little Bird", by Far East Movement from Dirty Bass, 2012
 * "Little Bird", by Goldfrapp from Seventh Tree, 2008
 * "Little Bird", by Imogen Heap from Ellipse, 2009
 * "Little Bird", by Jonas Brothers from The Album, 2023
 * "Little Bird", by Lisa Hannigan from Passenger, 2011
 * "Little Bird", by the White Stripes from De Stijl, 2000
 * "Little Birds", by Neutral Milk Hotel, 2011
 * "Little Bird", by the Ghost of Paul Revere

Other uses

 * Little Bird Bistro, a defunct French bistro in Portland, Oregon, US
 * Jimmy Heath (1926–2020), nicknamed "Little Bird", American jazz saxophonist
 * MD Helicopters MH-6 Little Bird, an American military helicopter

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bio-Dynos

Bio-Dynos
You'd think you'd be able to find something on the web about even an obscure comic book. I think it's also telling that the article can't even tell us who publishes it. Delete as nonnotable; also, Michael Vis, creator of Bio-Dynos substub that I made into a redirect. Postdlf 23:32, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Obviously non-existant. Wyllium 23:55, 2004 Oct 13 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. --Improv 18:05, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)


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Vice Chief of Naval Operations

The vice chief of naval operations (VCNO) is the second highest-ranking commissioned United States Navy officer in the Department of the Navy and functions as the principal deputy of the chief of naval operations. By statute, the vice chief is appointed as a four-star admiral.

Role
The senior leadership of the U.S. Department of the Navy consists of two civilians, the secretary of the Navy (SECNAV) and the under secretary of the Navy (USECNAV), as well as the four senior commissioned officers on the two military service staffs: Office of the Chief of Naval Operations (OPNAV) and Headquarters Marine Corps (HQMC).

The vice chief is the principal deputy of the chief of Naval operations (CNO). The vice chief may also perform other delegated duties that either the secretary of the Navy or the CNO assigns to him or her. If the CNO is absent or is unable to perform their duties, then the vice chief assumes the duties and responsibilities of the CNO. Within the Office of the Chief of Naval Operations, while there are several Deputy Chiefs of Naval Operations (DCNOs) of either three or two star rank, there is only one VCNO.

The vice chief is appointed by the president of the United States, and must be confirmed via majority vote by the Senate. While there is not a fixed term nor a term limit in the statute; the historical precedent is that a vice chief of naval operations serves for a tenure of two to three years.

Historical background
The equivalent of the current VCNO position was called Assistant for Operations in 1915, and Assistant Chief of Naval Operations in 1922. In 1942 the title became Vice Chief of Naval Operations.

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UDM

UDM may stand for:

 * Udmurt language (ISO 639 language code), a Uralic language
 * Union of Democratic Mineworkers, a trade union in Nottinghamshire, England
 * United Democratic Movement, a South African political party
 * United Democratic Movement (Kenya), a Kenyan political party
 * Universal Docking Module, a once-proposed portion of the International Space Station
 * Universidad de Manila, a university in Manila, Philippines
 * University of Detroit Mercy, a private Roman Catholic university in Detroit, Michigan
 * Upside-Down Magic, a fantasy book series by Sarah Mlynowski, Lauren Myracle, and Emily Jenkins
 * Upside-Down Magic (film), a Disney Channel film loosely based on the books

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RfC on if separation from spouse should be noted in infobox
Christina Ricci has filed for divorce from her husband. Should the 'spouse' parameter in the infobox say they are separated? Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 15:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

 * No: Per Manual of Style/Infoboxes, "An infobox is ... that summarizes key features of the page's subject." I would not consider someone's intermediary relationship info to be a "key feature" about a person. Normal Op (talk) 16:12, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: The information is already in the body of the article where it can be found by any reader. Also, California divorces have a 6 month waiting period, so even if everything is decided upon, they're separated, etc. a divorce won't come final for six months. And you may not get a news release about it because that's just a rubber stamp by the court after the six month period. Therefore, the information in the wiki article could easily remain in "separated" status long after the divorce is final. No, don't put anything in the infobox. Normal Op (talk) 16:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * But, following that reasoning, if you don't note the separation there then the infobox would state that they are still married long after the divorce is final. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 17:05, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh geez, really? You remove any "married" marker ( which was never in Ricci's infobox anyway ). It's not a required infobox parameter. Normal Op (talk) 19:28, 12 August 2020 (UTC) Added: Just remove the spouse information. Normal Op (talk) 19:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

 * No: Nowhere in the article is it stated (much less sourced) that Ricci and husband are "separated". "Filed for divorce" and "separated" have different meanings in English. To conclude that "filed for divorce" means "separated" is a synthesized conclusion that is not in the sources; see WP:SYNTH: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." (bold added) Wikipedia is not a newspaper; we can wait for a reliable source or wait until the divorce is finalized. And it is absurd to argue that "the infobox would state that they are still married long after the divorce is final"; that is obvious nonsense. Whey they officially divorce, then "divorce" can go in the infobox. Sundayclose (talk) 17:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not an absurd argument. Normal Op suggested that putting separated in the infobox would mean the article could continue to say separated long after the divorce was final. My comment followed their logic. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 17:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

 * Exclude - if there is a legal separation my answer would perhaps be different. But as noted, she filed for divorce - the effect is not a legal separation - there is some legal effect to filing for divorce, but until it is finalized, it does not have the same effect as a legal separation. We can assume they are not seeing each other, but that is not the same as a legal separation, and we can't base content on assumptions. Ultimately, an infobox provides a quick glance at the facts - it is not meant to discuss nuances such as de facto separations and divorce filings. Once the divorce is official and attested to in reliable sources, that can be added. There's ultimately no rush to have up-to-the-minute info on Ricci's love life. Right now it shows they married in 2013 - which is true. A divorce does not change that fact. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia  talk  18:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No Unless the article describes the situation as such. Otherwise it is complete WP:OR. Lorstaking 15:02, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Exclude They are married, that's what the infobox should say, and does. A divorce has been applied for, that's what the article body should say (with source of course), and does. If a reliable source says they have separated then the body of the article can say that too, but not without a reliable source. When the divorce is finalized tehn we can change the infobox.. Meters (talk) 00:15, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Why was an RFC called on this issue without first attempting to discuss it on the talk page? Meters (talk) 00:18, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It had already been discussed in edit summaries, and I knew that moving the conversation to the talk page would have just been a rehash of the same conversation because Sundayclose just kept reiterating the same argument, so I sought other opinions. WP:DR says that talk page discussion is a prerequisite to almost all resolutions, but RfCs only generally require them. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 14:08, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * To clarify with actual facts, my first edit summary was that the conclusion of "separated" is WP:SYNTHESIS. My other edit summary was a request for talk page discussion. I didn't "reiterate" or "rehash" anything, and there was no further discussion by anyone prior to creating this RfC. Sundayclose (talk) 18:04, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Those "actual facts" show that you cited synthesis as the reason for your reversions in both edit summaries, so yes you did. It seemed clear to me that you would just repeat synthesis on the talk page, and thus I sought other opinions. I did not see it as synthesis as I had taken a divorce filing to mean they are no longer together and have thus separated, while I now assume that you were referring specifically to legal separation. (You never specified, and you even tried to argue that they may have privately reconciled, which was completely pulled out of nowhere and thus I took as bad faith.) Plenty of other articles note a separation when one of the parties files for divorce, so I did not see the issue. The other users here have voted to exclude it anyway. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 18:56, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * As I said, I cited WP:SYNTHESIS, and I asked for talk page discussion, so there was no "rehashing" and there was no further discussion on this talk page. The issue was never whether it was a "legal separation", since neither legal nor de facto (without legal standing) separation was sourced, so there was no need for me to "specify". I did not "argue" that they might have reconciled; I offered it as a hypothetical possibility. If I had said "they reconciled" that certainly would have been "pulled out of nowhere", but that's not the case. If it was "clear to you" that I "would just repeat synthesis", I think we can safely assume that you could not read my mind to determine whether I had any additional discussion that was not included in my edit summaries. Sundayclose (talk) 19:18, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * And this is a good example of why edit summaries are not a replacement for talk page discussions. Don't call an RFC based on assumptions about what other people think or intend based on nothing but edit summaries. Discuss the topic on the talk page first so that there are no misunderstandings, and so that other editors may participate and help reach consensus. This was a simple case that did not require an RFC. No-one has supported including the unsourced claim of "separated" in the infobox other than the RFC opener. user:Abbyjjjj96, you have already tried to close this. Again, would you please just withdraw your RFC so that we can move on? Meters (talk) 00:02, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * As per the policy I linked to above, a talk page discussion is not compulsory. They cited a policy (with their own speculation), and when I disagreed with it they cited the same policy with no elaboration of it. Sometimes I have asked things on talk pages only for no one to respond – hence the RfC to invite a discussion. It is now even more apparent that Sundayclose and I are not in agreement, so a dispute resolution would have been requested either way. Saying it didn't require an RfC because no one agreed is ridiculous; I couldn't know that no one would agree without asking for input. Whether or not separation should be noted in the marriage template is brought up a few times on Template:Marriage's archive without a consensus given. And acting like separated is an unsourced claim is contestable – it depends on which definition of the word separated you are following. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 01:06, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Read WP:DR. An RfC with no attempt at discussion is not the next step after a couple of edit summaries. Again you are assuming you know what others are thinking or what would happen in the future. Even if we didn't come to an agreement, you don't know what would have resulted from talk page discussion. Sundayclose (talk) 01:20, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I read it when I linked to it upthread; maybe you should take another look? "Requests for Comment generally require that at least an effort be made to discuss the matter in question before making the request." Generally does not mean always. So, for the third time, RfCs do not mandate a prior talk page discussion. And we've established that we are still not in agreement, so I can very firmly state that I would have sought a dispute resolution anyway. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 01:35, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I never doubted that you would seek dispute resolution, but there are several steps to dispute resolution before an RfC. As two of us have now said, it should have gone to talk page discussion before an RfC. Sundayclose (talk) 01:47, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

 * Comment user:Abbyjjjj96 since you self-closed the RFC as exclude, but then reopened on procedural grounds (and no-one has since appeared to support it) why don't you just withdraw your RFC rather than waiting for it to die or for someone to close it? Meters (talk) 00:24, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

 * Comment All, I found this discussion from a post to Village_pump_(miscellaneous). Not sure if that counts as canvasing or not., you seem to be the only one advocating for the changes in this RFC.  If you won't agree that consensus is against you, then I recommend you follow the suggestion at WP:DR to walk away from this topic for awhile.  There are more than 6 million articles at Wikipedia, so find something else to work on, and come back to this one in the future.  RudolfRed (talk) 02:27, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You're allowed to publicize RfCs per WP:RFC. I agree that consensus is against me; I closed the RfC after it had been open for a week given that everyone had voted no, however I was told by Sundayclose and Meters that I wasn't allowed to close it myself and thus it was reopened. I publicized it hoping for more input or for another user to close it. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 02:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Publicizing it is not the way to get it closed. There are two ways to bring this to a conclusion. The RfC can be withdrawn, but that suggestion seems to be falling on deaf ears; or closure can be requested at WP:ANRFC. Sundayclose (talk) 02:50, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't tell Abbyjjjj96 that she couldn't close her own RFC. I said it was a bad idea. As I've already said two or three times, she can just withdraw the RFC. Meters (talk) 08:20, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * What!?
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Are tattoos really notable in a Personal section?
I really doubt if the following section meets the criteria for an encyclopedia entry:

"Ricci has eight tattoos on her body: a lion on her right shoulder blade ..."

Is this what Wikipedia wants to be known for? I would think it is not. Cheers. 73.6.96.168 (talk) 05:45, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

 * I did not know that!!!!!!!
 * 🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 174.212.164.98 (talk) 00:34, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I like her.
👩💼😻😻😻😻😻😻😻😻🎥👻💗💗💗💗💗💗💗!!!!! She is like a good actress who played Kat on Casper the movie I love that movie!!! 174.212.164.98 (talk) 00:33, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

2007 Black snake moan
She starred in the movie Black Snake Moan with Samuel L Jackson 2601:183:4681:3230:E8B5:7AFD:9B1A:BFAD (talk) 18:49, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Christina Ricci