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Kerrisdale

Kerrisdale is a neighbourhood in the city of Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.

Kerrisdale is a neighbourhood located in Vancouver's west side. It features a mix of newer houses and older bungalows as well as various low and mid-rise rental and condo apartment buildings in its northern section. TThe neighbourhood is a racial mix of European and East Asian Canadians. It features a shopping district running generally along West 41st Avenue between Larch and Maple Streets and West Boulevard between 37th and 49th Avenues. Although the city officially defines Kerrisdale as being south of 41st Ave (north of 41st is called Arbutus Ridge), the majority of the area's residents consider the area's boundaries to be West 33rd Avenue to the north, Granville Street to the east, West 57th Avenue to the south, and Blenheim Street to the west. The northern part of Marpole is also generally thought of as part of Kerrisdale, thus some refer to the area as Kerrisdale-Marpole. The southwestern part of Kerrisdale is known as Southlands, due to its location in relation to the city. Southlands is known for its horse stables and rural feel and is located on the floodplain of the North Arm of the Fraser River.

History
Kerrisdale gained its name in 1905 when British Columbia Electric Railway manager R.H. Sterling asked Mrs. William McKinnon to name the interurban stop at Wilson Road (today West 41st Avenue). She chose to call it "Kerry's Dale", after the name of her family home, Kerrydale, in Gairloch, Scotland. Kerrydale means "little seat of the fairies". It was quickly corrupted to Kerrisdale. The area was part of the Municipality of Point Grey, which amalgamated January 1, 1929 with the City of Vancouver and the Municipality of South Vancouver. Many of the streets and avenues surrounding this focal intersection developed around this time, with local landmarks such as Point Grey Secondary School, Ryerson Church, Shannon Mews and the Allen Brown Estate constructed in these formative years.

Demographics
As of the 2016 community census, there were 13,975 people, 5,530 private households, and 3,930 families residing in Kerrisdale.

Although formerly British in character and demographics, Kerrisdale began to experience an influx of affluent immigrants from Hong Kong in the mid-1980s. This was partially due to the fears of Communist China taking over Hong Kong from the British in 1997 per the Sino-British Joint Declaration. Many of those Hong Kong immigrants constructed large, modern houses. Therefore, Kerrisdale is generally a mix of East Asian and Western architecture, with older bungalows in between new houses and renovated houses.

Kerrisdale has a mix of white-collar professionals, high net worth individuals, and university students renting basement suites or more inexpensive apartment blocks to attend nearby post-secondary institutions such as Langara College and the University of British Columbia. The area is also home to elderly residents who primarily rent in the low rise rental blocks that characterize the north central section of the community.

Projected average 2008 household income: $131,769 as compared with $75,854 and $79,798 for Vancouver and Metro Vancouver respectively.

Services
The stretch of businesses along W. 41st Ave between Balsam and Maple streets comprise the Kerrisdale Business Association, the longest running such association in Vancouver. Member businesses pool funds for festivities and general beautification of the area, including the hiring of a full-time gardener during summer months.

The Arbutus Corridor, a no-longer-used CPR railway line which bisects the neighbourhood, has been purchased by the City of Vancouver and will be a series of community gardens, as well as a greenway for bicycles and pedestrians. The railway line has been removed and the right of way has been converted into a greenway for pedestrians and cyclists.

Kerrisdale Community Centre is home to the Kerrisdale Branch of the Vancouver Public Library, and Kerrisdale Pool.

North of 41st Avenue on East Boulevard is the Kerrisdale Cyclone Taylor Arena, built in 1949 as a hockey arena and was used as wrestling venue for 1954 British Empire and Commonwealth Games.

The Arbutus Greenway, a large path designed for bikers and pedestrians, runs North-South through the heart of Kerrisdale.

Education
Kerrisdale is home to Kerrisdale Elementary School, Kerrisdale Annex, Maple Grove Elementary School, Dr. R. E. McKechnie Elementary School, and Quilchena Elementary School, as well as Magee Secondary School, Prince of Wales Secondary School and Point Grey Secondary School.

Crofton House School, a private school for girls, is on the western edge of the neighbourhood, next to Dunbar-Southlands.

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Talk:List of ocean liners

Prefix
A lot of these ships seem to have "MS", despite being steamships. I'm not absolutely sure I am right to change them to "SS", but I have for some of the more famous ones, especially if they have an article under SS. --Nycto 06:22, Oct 17, 2004 (UTC)
 * I was filling in from various sources, I'm sure there are plenty of errors. :-) In most cases it's worthwhile to have a redirect from the "MS" (maybe even "MV") version because from Googling you can see that the two are very often confused, you want to channel people to the correct version once it's been ascertained. (BTW, thanks for great liner work, it's been somewhat neglected!) Stan 14:07, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Redlinks

 * This list is a bit scary... so many red ships! My current priority is to get the more famous liners from between the wars covered, with images and deck plans (if I can get them together).--Nycto 18:06, Oct 17, 2004 (UTC)
 * They get there; list of battleships of the United States Navy was once mostly red, now it's complete! Stan 21:59, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Remove cruiseships from the list?
This is a list of ocean liners, so perhaps we should consider removing the cruiseships, and making them a seperate list. I think this would make the list more manageable, but it's not the sort of change I want to make without consultation.--Nycto 18:38, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)
 * I would agree with removing cruise ships from the list and creating a new one for them. There is already a seperate category for them "Categories: Cruise ships" A disambiguation link at the top of the page could mention the difference between cruise ships and ocean liners and link between the two lists. Would some ships have to appear on both lists or would one list have priority over the other? Martyman 23:02, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I would tend to give priority to the ocean liner list, as virtually all liners went on cruises on occasion, and a awful lot of classic liners were used breifly cruise ships in the thirties. So it's best to put ships that have engaged in a regularly scheduled passenger service for a significan part of their careers only on the liner list.--Nycto 05:07, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)
 * You mean like list of cruise ships? For any ships used regularly in both roles, it's convenient to have them on both lists. They should also have "see alsos" to each other, in case one is looking on the wrong list and doesn't know about the other. In answer to the next obvious question, I'm not so keen to have a single combined list, because dual-use ships seem more the exception than the rule, and it seems less helpful to the searcher to mix dozens of old vessels in with Disney Magic etc; searches are likely to be "among modern cruise ships" or "among classic liners", not "among anything floating". :-) Stan 05:25, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Haha, guess I should have checked that. Anyway, my concern with putting ships that were used for both roles on both lists is that ship like the Mauretania would go on both (she was used a cruise ship full-time in the thirties), and I don't like that. So do we agree that we should start removing the cruise ships from the list? I can only do a few, because there are an awful lot of ships on this list I don't know.--Nycto 06:00, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)
 * Why is having a ship on two lists problematic? Think of a multi-talented person who is a painter, novelist, and poet - you would want to add that person to "list of painters", "list of novelists", and "list of poets". It would be incorrect to decide that the person was more of one of them and therefore had to be removed from the other two lists. Another way to look at it is that if you removed Mauretania from the list of cruise ships, somebody will come along later and say "hey, but she did cruises in the 1930s!" and add back to the cruise ship list, while leaving on the liners list. So you always want to do things in a way that seems natural to later editors, because that will improve the odds that they won't undo your changes at some future time. Stan 07:53, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I have a feeling we'll find out that virtually all the classic liners engaged in cruises, somewhat defeating the purpose of having two lists. Perhaps we should pay more attention to what the ships were built for, with a bit of common sense. For example, the QE2 and Empress of Britain belong on both lists, but ships that were built as liners, did 28 years of transatlantic crossings, but then a few months cruising during the depression needn't go on the cruise ship list (people are hardly like to look for them there anyway). That said, I'm not that fussed, as I'm not likely to pay much attention to the list of cruise ships.--Nycto 08:30, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)
 * That's why I think it should be limited to those that did cruising as a regular part of their service, or simply did it for long enough to be mentioned in the article. :-) But the beauty of WP is that you can always go back and change everything later if the original idea isn't working out. Stan 14:11, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

We now have a list of cruise ships, and also a list of ocean liners to which cruise ships have been added. I have removed some linked cruise ships from this list. We should either maintain separate lists (my preference) or give up the fight and have one list only of passenger ships. Kablammo 21:30, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

List is getting an update
For those of you curious and want to help I am updating the list to make it look a bit better, as for the list categories ones I though tabout but did not iunclude were:
 * Country of Origin: As with ship names there are some ships that had alot of ports to call home.
 * Date of Build, Maiden Voyage: I was looking through the ships and found not all of them have these details, I went with Ship launched as it can be flexable.
 * Company Builder/Ship line: Again there are some ships that have multiple ones of these I tried to keep it simple.

I would love to hear feedback from people if they have any input or ideas to add on, be WP:BOLD and discuss and edit. =) - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:42, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

There is a huge gap in the list for the early liners of the 19th century. I have been adding quite a few as I find them. But it seems like each article references other ships that I then have to look up. This is starting to look like a massive project.Ad Orientem (talk) 22:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

 * I would be careful yes some steamships were considered ocean liners but others were just for short voyages. I don't want to see this list stray into WP:OR of what was considered an ocean liner and what wasent. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:32, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

 * I am only adding ships that were oceanic steamships that carried passengers between different continents. I wasn't aware that "notability" was a criteria for the list. City of Chicago and Richmond were both transatlantic passenger ships operated by the well known Inman Line.Ad Orientem (talk) 03:00, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia has a WP:GNG General Notability Guideline on what should be and what should not be in articles, if the ship listed has no article then it would be better if you were to make the article first then link it in the list. If you want to add a ship with a reliable source that has no article this is okay too just don't add the ,s to avoid a red link. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:04, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

 * It really all comes down to the reliable sources provided for list inclusion. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:06, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

 * No worries. Just as an FYI if I am adding a ship that doesn't have its own article yet I am doing so based on credible sources that indicate the ship meets certain specific criteria. Those being, that it had mechanical propulsion (not sail), that it was a deep water ship designed and used for oceanic intercontinental passenger service, and that it carried more than a token number of passengers. I have passed over quite a number of ships where one or more of those criteria either did not exist or I couldn't confirm one way or another.

 * On an unrelated note has there been any discussion about setting a standard rule for naming articles about ships that had multiple names? There seems to be no standard rule that I can see being used. I find it confusing in the extreme when naval enthusiasts write up an article on a ship that was an ocean liner for all but a year or so of its multi-decade career and insist on assigning its military name for the article title. See USS Saint Paul (SP-1643).- Ad Orientem (talk) 03:31, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

 * After reading WP:GNG and taking some time to think on it I respectfully disagree with your undo-edits. Red links are a useful tool that helps prompt users to create articles on certain subjects. Indeed they appear frequently in various Wiki articles on ocean liners. Also I think that perhaps you are applying an unduly narrow approach to notability. The list description as it currently stands has fairly broad parameters for addition. In fact the criteria I apply when considering any additions is more restrictive.

 * All of which said I don't want to get into an edit fight. If you still think you are right we can invite alternative opinions from the WikiProject Ships. Maybe you are right and I am being too liberal in my criteria. If that's the consensus I will happily defer. In the meantime I will hold off on any more edits until we reach an agreement. One area I do want to tinker with though is the list description. I really do think we could be a bit tighter on criteria for inclusion on the list.- Ad Orientem (talk) 19:57, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Sank vs Sunk
Of note for anyone following, I found that the standard to go by is "Sank" for ships on the list. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:26, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

PORTUGUESE VESSELS MISSING
Portugal had several important ocean liners which surprisingly were not included, to my knowledge, 13 owned by the "Companhia Colonial de Navegaçao";

- 1922: GANDA I – Ex General Allenby (1898-1933) - 1925: AMBOIM I – Ex Sardinia (1898-1933) - 1926: LOANDA – Ex Würzburg (1900-1938) - 1928: JOÃO BELO – Ex Gertrud Woermann (1905–1950) - 1929: COLONIAL – Ex Ypiranga (1908–1950) - 1929: MOUSINHO – Ex Corcovado (1907–1954) - 1940: SERPA PINTO – Ex Ebro (1915–1954) - 1947: PÁTRIA –1947–1973 - 1948: IMPÉRIO – 1948–1974 - 1952: VERA CRUZ – 1952–1973 - 1953: SANTA MARIA – 1953–1974 - 1954: UÍGE – 1954–1974, then transferred to CPTM. - 1961: INFANTE DOM HENRIQUE – 1961–1974, then transferred to CPTM.

Plus three others owned by the "Insulana de Navegaçao".

- 1955: N/T ANGRA DO HEROÍSMO - 1955: N/T AMÉLIA DE MELLO - 1961: N/T FUNCHAL — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oguerreiro (talk • contribs) 15:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

 * Do you have reliable sources for any of these? I know there are many fan based things out there, but what we are looking for are sources in the form of ship records and/or mentions in books. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:24, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

By Years
I suggest you use this to see the timeline of ocean liners. 75.76.14.26 (talk) 18:15, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Should there be photographs and/or drawings?
I was thinking we could add photographs and/or drawings to the list. IonlyPlayz2 (talk) 16:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

 * if you really want to then sure go ahead. My only concerns are clutter and a slow loading page as there must be over 700 ships listed here. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * oh ok thx IonlyPlayz2 (talk) 16:20, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * kinda forgot about this, will continue over the summer IonlyPlayz2 (talk) 12:31, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

The picture update is going great!
I've been working on this update for 2 days now and am so glad that barely any pictures have been removed. IonlyPlayz2 (talk) 13:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Proposal of addition of proposed ships which were never built
Examples being the Bretagne, Oceanic, etc. IonlyPlayz2 (talk) 13:19, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No per WP:NOTDIR. It's just too broad, I mean what would the list criteria be? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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Mita Ririnui

Mita Michael Ririnui is a former New Zealand politician and a member of the Labour Party. He was a member of parliament from 1999 to 2011.

Early years
Ririnui was born in Tauranga. He obtained his education from Tauranga Boys' College, Bay of Plenty Polytechnic, University of Waikato and Massey University. Before entering politics, Ririnui worked for a number of notable Maori community organisations including Te Puni Kōkiri, and he is a registered minister of the Rātana church.

Member of Parliament
Ririnui was originally elected to Parliament as the MP for the Māori electorate of Waiariki, winning the 1999 election from Tuariki Delamere. He retained the seat in 2002. However, in the 2005 election, he lost his electorate seat to Te Ururoa Flavell of the Māori Party and remained in Parliament as a list MP.

At the beginning of his second term as an MP, Ririnui was appointed a Parliamentary Under-Secretary to the ministers responsible for Conservation, Corrections and Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations; in July 2004, his Conservation portfolio was replaced with Health. In December 2004 Ririnui instead became a Minister outside Cabinet, as a Minister of State with Associate Ministerial roles in the Corrections, Health, Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, and Forestry portfolios, and held these roles until the defeat of the Labour government in 2008. He also chaired the Labour Party's internal Maori Caucus.

Labour was defeated in the 2008 general election, meaning that Ririnui was unable to retain his ministerial positions. He was unsuccessful at regaining Waiariki, but his list placing of 23 ensured his return to Parliament on the Labour list.

On 14 June 2010, four days after the release of ministerial credit card records, Ririnui along with two other MPs Chris Carter and Shane Jones were demoted by Opposition Leader Phil Goff for misuse of such credit cards. In the case of Ririnui, he was accused of purchasing items such as golf clubs and a bike which violate the rules regarding the usage of ministerial credit cards. Ririnui reimbursed Ministerial Services at the time for the purchases. Ririnui's demotion included the loss of the shadow portfolio of Forestry.

In February 2011, Ririnui announced that he would retire at the 2011 election.

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Talk:Richard Meinertzhagen

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"The British colonel Richard Meinertzhagen, primarily a soldier and a globe trotter, also tried to be an ornithologist, and in the last role he was fraudulent. In words of Rasmussen (as quoted by Barbara, 2005) “There are hundreds and probably thousands of fraudulently catalogued specimens. This was going on for the better part of his (Meinertzhagen’s) life”.

In "Eubios Journal of Asian and International Bioethics 16 (January 2006)" http://www.unescobkk.org/fileadmin/user_upload/shs/EJAIB/EJAIB12006.pdf. there is a reference to Nature to proove this.

Barbara, Santa, 2005. Ornithologists stunned by collector’s deceit. Nature, 437 (September 15, 2005): 302 – 303.

I THINK THAT THE LAST EDIT BY 68.225.254.171 IS BIASED TOWARDS RICHARD MEINERTZHAGEN, CHANGING 'WELL KNOWN FOR KILLING PEOPLE' TO 'WELL KNOWN FOR KILLING ENEMIES'

There is mention of his having suppressed a tribal rebellion in East Africa in 1905 by shooting the "witch doctor" (a curiously dated term). This obviously refers to his role in what came to be known as 'the Nandi Incident', the Nandi being Hamitic pastoralists in northern Kenya. According to Meinertzhagen - and I heard him claim this in 1957 - he had arranged to meet a prominent Nandi laibon to discuss his people's acceding to the establishing of British authority; but Meinertzhagen had only a few askaris (African troops) with him, and in his version the laibon, with a band of tribesmen, launched an assault which led to shooting, the laibon's death, and subsequent difficult relations with the Nandi. The nascent British administration held Meinertzhagen to be at fault, and he was dismissed and deported in 1906. In view of his later involvement in other instances of illegal or precipitate behaviour, it would seem that the administration was justified.

Some comments on above paragraph. "Witch doctor" is not a curiously dated term as suggested by writer of above paragraph commenting on the article. Witchdoctor is exactly what a Laibon (the person killed by Meinertzhagen) is! A Laibon is not a chief, but a soothsayer who's job is to supposedly predict the future (by reading the runes, animal entrails etc.) and put curses on someone unfortunate to fall out of favour with him or other influential people in the tribe (such "curses" are mumbo-jumbo of course, but just the mere fact that the victim sometimes believes they have been cursed, is enough for them to give up, go into a stupor and effectively die of terror).

Then, as now, the Laibon's status as "witchdoctor" comes from the very fact he was seen as a supposed "prophet" (which is what he is becoming to his increasing number of worshippers) amongst believers for his supposed "psychic" predictions, such as that of of the coming of the "iron snake" (the railway) in a dream. I think the fact that he (a master propagandist, like many a sangoma and court crones) and his followers believe in such superstitious twaddle confirms that he was a "witchdoctor". So describing Koitalel as a witchdoctor is not an archaic term from a detractor, but semantically accurate - and the very reason his admirers then and now hold him in high status. A Laibon IS a witchdoctor.

Sirikwa (22 Mar 2006)

 * This "witchdoctor" debate is nonsense. It used to be a beautiful analytical notion by the standards of 18th century Britain. But sometimes there is something like progress. Witchdoctors don't get the role of a political leader; the simple fact that there are (were) societies in which the highest authority is a "Laibon" is not at all explained by this uninformed witchdoctor "twaddle". This is just shameful for wikipedia! --Kipala 23:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

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Haversack Ruse
The New Yorker mentions the "Haversack Ruse", which supposedly misdirected the Turks and enabled England to win the war, as Meinertzhagen's most famous deed. So why no mention here? Can someone fill in the blanks? — Adam Conover † 14:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

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Somebody removed the earlier reference to "witchdoctor" and replaced it with "tribal leader". This is incorrect. The Laibon was not a tribal leader, but literally a witchdoctor (as my earlier comment, 22 Mar 2006, points out). The user (IP 137.198.244.199) who had removed the term witchdoctor had earlier added the misleading comment "he crushed a major tribal revolt by murdering, in cold blood, the general who led it after inviting him to his home for peace talks" - which had been removed by another user, quite correctly. For a start, one questions why this user would use the term "general" to describe a tribal Laibon?

Sirikwa (4 June 2006)

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Also, "The incident and attack are depicted in the 1987 film The Lighthorsemen.", yet the plot synopsis at the linked wikipedia page makes no mention whatsoever of any sort of diversionary ruse, let alone a haversack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.147.122.14 (talk) 17:30, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

POV language
While most of the charges against Meinertzhagen are apparently true, the language of this article is unacceptable. The introduction is especially awful. It is not supposed to read like the prosecutor's summary to the jury. --Zerotalk 09:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed, hopefully. Shyamal 04:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Cracked article
the only way I have heard about Meinerthagen is the cracked article http://www.cracked.com/article_18811_5-real-macgyvers-who-won-battles-with-improvised-weapons.html that links to this book, http://books.google.com.au/books?id=QzbW2vDJOMwC&pg=PA229&dq=turn+around+run+like+hell+sheria&hl=en&ei=LIOnTI70FIvFnAfIrtGvDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false claiming that Meinertzhagen dropped opium laced cigarettes on the Turkish defenders of Sheria on 5 Nov 1917 - given this will probably send many people to this article, could someone double check it and add something about the story to this article? - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whitelaughter (talk • contribs) 19:08, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * This is one of many, many such stories Meinertzhagen told, and like most is thought to have been invented, as discussed in the article. —innotata 01:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Specific Requests from the Family of Richard Meinhertzhagen (OTRS)
Hi folks,

As an OTRS volunteer, I have been tasked with assisting a family member related to the subject of this article--Richard Meinhertzhagen--to share the family members' concerns about this article. My role here is to listen to the family member's concerns, summarize them in relevant detail for our editing community, and to present the level of evidence the family member has provided so that you can assess it. Whether you make changes related to the family member's requests is up to your determination of them as reasonable and neutral. This request comes with no extra authority and I encourage you to evaluate the evidence with neither added persuasion nor resistance, as if it was simply a concerned reader making a case for some changes.

 * Intro and name
 * Situation: Our article calls the subject 'Richard Henry Meinhertzhagen'
 * Claim: The subject's name is Richard Meinhertzhagen, not Richard Henry Meinhertzhagen
 * Request: Remove 'Henry' from the name
 * Evidence: The family member has shared the original birth certificate which reads 'Richard Meinhertzhagen'

 * Africa and Kenya
 * Situation: The subject killed Koitalel Arap Samoei in Kenya
 * Claim: We cover the incident relying on Garfield, who treats it as a crime and coverup. We are presenting Garfield's view as fact rather than his opinion.
 * Request: Present the incident as it was ruled in court at the time, in which the subject was exonerated
 * Evidence: Copies of the original three court of enquiry records which exonerated the subject; unpublished copies of the original Letters of Commendation from the subject's commanding Officers exonerating him

 * Sinai Desert and the Haversack Ruse
 * Situation: The subject was credited with using a tactic; later publications doubt if he planned or even executed that tactic
 * Claim: The subject did execute the Haversack Ruse, though he may not have invented it. This section relies on Garfield's opinion, which is speculative.  Other sources credit the subject with executing the tactic.
 * Request: Remove the phrase "(he may have neither planned nor executed it)"
 * Evidence: Published reliable sources pending, the family member will provide them shortly

 * France and Beyond
 * Situation: We describe the subject's diary as containing fiction and in particular relay doubt about the subject's relationship with T.E. Lawrence
 * Claim: There is content from the book "7 Pillars of Wisdom", written by T.E. Lawrence, that T.E. Lawrence did have a relationship with the subject
 * Request: Remove the mention of diary entries on T.E. Lawrence being suspicious
 * Evidence: "7 Pillars of Wisdom" by T.E. Lawrence

 * Character and Garfield's Second Wife
 * Situation: The subject's second wife died via a gunshot.  Court records rule it an accident.  Garfield describes it as suspicious.
 * Claim: The death was not suspicious, and Garfield's speculations that it was are unfounded
 * Request: Remove mention of suspicions around the subject's wife's death
 * Evidence: The family member states they may be able to have Garfield publish a retraction
 * Note, this also applies to the article on the subject's second wife: Annie_Meinertzhagen

 * Character and Theresa Clay
 * Situation: We describe Theresa Clay as a housekeeper and a nanny to the family
 * Claim: She was a housekeeper but not a nanny
 * Request: Remove mention of her being a nanny
 * Evidence: The family member was a child at the time and personally recounts that she was never their nanny

 * The Meinhertzhagen Mystery
 * Situation: We devote an entire ===section=== to summarizing Garfield's book and its claims
 * Claim: Garfield's work is speculative and we rely too much on it, giving it too much emphasis throughout the article and in this section
 * Request: Remove or minimize this section
 * Evidence: Family member notes that Garfield's book was speculative
 * Note: Regardless of whether we minimize this content or not, it may be appropriate to integrate it rather than having a separate section on the book

Feel free to share questions with me for more information. The family member has shared copies of documents with me and given me permission to share them with other editors. If you have questions for the family member I am happy to relay them. I have notified the family member that a discussion may take place on this page and they may comment on it. Thanks for your time and consideration. --Jake Ocaasit | c 15:06, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Removed "Henry" - this should have been caught earlier. Shyamal (talk) 16:07, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Probably some of these are correct. However, we might not want a section about Garfield's book, but probably a section on the reevaluation of him after his death—how ornithologists and historians of Israel, and then biographers, realised that much of Meinertzhagen's stories and work were fraudulent. Garfield includes his speculation in his book, but it's also based on meticulous primary research. One reviewer pointed out some errors, but all have said that his overall conclusions cannot be disputed. I will go through the individual claims later. —innotata 17:09, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, here are my initial responses to specific concerns:
 * Meinertzhagen and his men definitely killed Koitalel Arap Samoei and the other Nandi men, and his claim was that he acted in self-defence. The court was obviously biased, as a court-martial adjudicating over an officer in the death of an enemy of British colonial rule. Not only Garfield, but numerous other historians, describe the killing as premeditated, based on Meinertzhagen's own accounts, and the accounts of British and native witnesses. The text of the article describes the facts in an essentially unbiased manner, stating that he was exonerated. Maybe small changes could be made.
 * The only claims Meinertzhagen rather than Neate having dropped the haversack are in his writings, stories by his friends (all from some time after the war), and sources based on them. He couldn't even get the dates right.
 * Meinertzhagen definitely had a relationship with Lawrence. It wasn't a friendly one, since they were advocating different sides concerning the British Mandate of Palestine. So he later invented some stories putting it in a different light. His relative is correct, but nothing needs to be changed.
 * The part on Annie Meinertzhagen may need to be changed. However, the coroner's report is the grounds for suspicion by Garfield and others, because she was shot in angle that makes accidental discharge by her unlikely. A number of his friends claimed that he said he killed her in a "duel" later; rumours were widespread at the time. Besides this, it likely should remain in the article because Garfield shows that this was a major part of his reputation later in his life, and Meinertzhagen later cultivated the rumours. As for a retraction by Garfield, we can talk about that once one is published.
 * I don't think Garfield says Theresa Clay was a nanny, so I assume that can be removed.
 * —innotata 23:16, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

 * In Seven Pillars of Wisdom, Lawrence gives a strong opinion of RM and describes the "Haversack ruse", but there is no mention there of the various meetings between the two that RM describes in his diaries. The evidence of a relationship is stronger for the 1919 Paris conference, at which time Lawrence was busy writing Seven Pillars.  I checked the 1922 edition as well as the better known 1935 edition. Zerotalk 03:31, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, the 1919 Peace Conference was when they were advocating for the Arabs and Jews respectively, and were not all that friendly. —innotata 22:09, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Garfield's work is important, though we should be careful to not take sides on historical disputes. Incidentally there was no "coroner's report" on Annie's death.  Garfield only mentions the brief opinion of two pathologists written on the death certificate.  The claim that the angle of the shot was suspicious is Garfield's interpretation of "injury to spinal cord & lower part of brain"; it seems very weak. If you look at the anatomy of a skull you will find it easier to hit both places with an upward shot. Zerotalk 03:31, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * You're right, I couldn't remember that part of Garfield's book (which I don't have access to at the moment) well, and forgot to note that. It's not that much of a "historical dispute", though. Garfield isn't the first person or historian to find issues with Meinertzhagen's writing. His scientific fraud had already been fully documented. The only people who have disputed his overall conclusions as far as I know are Meinertzhagen's family members. —innotata 04:35, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Garfield refers to Teresa Clay on p193 as his "housekeeper, nanny, secretary and scientific partner". I don't think he intended "nanny" to be taken literally but is just describing a relationship in which she took care of him (when they were both adults).  So this is a mistake. Zerotalk 03:49, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi innotata, Shyamal, and Zero. I appreciate the frank and measured discussion about the above issues.   The family member would like a status update on any intention to make changes to the article. Do you see a need for any substantive--or stylistic--edits to this article?  If so, do you have any intention of working on it in the short-term?  Best, and thanks for your time and consideration, Jake Ocaasit | c 18:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC) (OTRS volunteer)
 * I believe major changes do not need to be made, and should not be made, to the parts about Koitalel Arap Samoe (or Lawrence or the Haversack Ruse).
 * However, the part on Annie Meinertzhagen should be changed, as Zero points out. The section on Garfield's book should be changed to a section on the discovery of his frauds, first done by ornithologists and specialist historians, and posthumous reevaluation of Meinertzhagen more generally. I'm not sure I'll be able to work on the article in the short term. —innotata 22:09, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I challenge the statement that "The court was obviously biased, as a court-martial adjudicating over an officer in the death of an enemy of British colonial rule". Courts martial, like any British court, are far more balanced and fair than most other courts. The suggestion that they are "obviously biased" is itself obviously biased and malicious.Royalcourtier (talk) 06:50, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That's ridiculous. Courts martial are always biased, because they are run by superior officers who have a conflict of interest; they're used because they're considered a necessary system within the hierarchy of a military. That conflict of interest was acute because of the connections among colonial officers in Meinertzhagen's time, and particularly acute in his case, as Garfield documents. Also, any court martial is naturally going to be all the more biased when they're trying an officer over the killing of somebody who had been an enemy until shortly before. And, remember, this was a colonial court martial, you can't ignore the inherent biases of colonial rulers. Consult histories of Kenya, and you'll see modern scholarship agrees with Garfield on this point. —innotata 17:28, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Updates to Garfield claims
Hi innotata, Shyamal, and Zero. I have been asked again by the family member to have the section on Garfield addressed (and similarly in the article on his deceased wife). There was recent talk about a) reworking it into the article and/or b) addressing whether its claims are 'speculation'. I know we don't work on deadlines, but to be honest, I could really use someone to take a look at this next week or next.

I am very much getting the sense that this is not legal pressure, just a family member looking for dignity and closure. I know and have made clear that we can't change history (or historical scholarship) and given Garfield's work's positive reviews that it is unlikely to warrant removal. However, if we can at all handle this more professionally and encyclopedically it would go a long way. So, please ping me if you can commit to working on this by early February.

Thank you, sincerely, Jake Ocaasit | c 19:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Who are the Meinhertzhagen family?
I doubt very much that the Meinhertzhagen were second only to the Rothschild as a banking family. They are frankly obscure. This entire article reads like an attempt to promote Richard Meinhertzhagen and his family.Royalcourtier (talk) 06:53, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

That was claimed in the introduction to a biography book. I've added an explanatory note. BellicoseSouthernBelle (talk) 14:08, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Needs citation (OTRS)
Could an editor try to find the source for this paragraph and quotation from the Character section? The Family has requested the excerpt from the diary be removed as a copyright violation. I leave the copyright question up to you folks, but we at least need it to be cited properly if it remains. Cheers, Jake

 * Meinertzhagen himself traced the "evil" side of his personality to a period during his childhood when he was subjected to severe physical abuse at the hands of a sadistic schoolmaster when he was at Fonthill boarding school in Sussex. He was apparently also traumatized by the indifference of his mother to his plight:

Thanks, Ocaasit | c 03:12, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

 * This is from Meinertzhagen's book Diary of a Black Sheep and can also be reliably cited via the biographies of Cocker and Capstick. I have all three books but I'm in a different country from the books this week. I'll add a proper citation next week if nobody gets to it first (after checking that the quotation is accurate and its introduction is fair). I don't believe the claim of copyright violation—it is a short quotation well within the fair use provisions of copyright law. Zerotalk 10:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * In Mark Cocker's book, all of this is on page 22. Shyamal (talk) 08:42, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

 * The first part of the quotation is from page 161 of "Diary of a Black Sheep". I can't find the second part.  It does not seem to be on the same page or the next four pages.  However there is something similar on page 158: "I recount my life at Foothill in full, as the treatment to which I was subjected had a profound influence on my character and my subsequent life." Zerotalk 07:24, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * "The undeserved beatings and sadistic treatment which were my lot in childhood so upset my mind that much of my present character can be traced to Fonthill." - p. 22 in Mark Cocker. Shyamal (talk) 07:54, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, it comes from "Diary of a Black Sheep" page 173. It is bad practice to hide 12 pages in an ellipsis, although in this case it isn't particularly misleading. Zerotalk 10:51, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'm adding it back citing both pages. Cheers, Ocaasit | c 05:14, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Updates to article (OTRS)

 * Pinging innotata, Shyamal, and Zero:

Because there was consensus that this article needed general improvements for encyclopedic structure, in particular around Garfield's book, I have made an attempt to integrate that section as well as to align the lead with the body of the text. As an OTRS member, I am generally averse to making such changes myself because of my close communications with the family member. Despite my strong effort at capturing your concerns evenly and professionally in my revisions, I would appreciate a close reading of the article from top-to bottom, particularly the lead and the character section, to see if it is an improvement. If you disagree in any way, please revert it and/or make an attempt at a better version.

While I kept all of Garfield's views intact (while presenting them more in line with the flow of the article), I could not verify this claim:

 * While in India he killed one of his personal assistants in a fit of rage and had the local police officer cover it up as a death due to plague. REF: http://web.archive.org/web/20030301024533/ and http://www.africa2000.com/IMPACT/drought0611.html

I appreciate the consultation you have already taken and ask you to go through one more time to check the work. Going forward, changes that would continue to improve the article would involve integrating the entire "Character" section (which is more like a litany of 'criticism' or 'controversy') throughout the article. Thanks and cheers, Jake Ocaasit | c 20:31, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I have made some changes, as far as ornithology goes, it is not a case of "doubt" but a well-established case of "fraud". I empathize with the relatives of Meinertzhagen but I am afraid history cannot be rewritten. Shyamal (talk) 07:12, 4 February 2015 (UTC) [PS: I think trying to suppress things might only make more negative material visible - example pages like - https://archive.org/stream/hgmholyghostmiss00goga#page/18/mode/2up & https://archive.org/stream/hgmholyghostmiss00goga#page/72/mode/2up/ ]

Bumf?
Hello, Zero0000, about this diff, I added the cite from The Economist to the Richard Meinertzhagen article to try to give a reference within the article for the term "bumf," which is defined in Wiktionary and, of course, the OED. I thought of The Economist, as a publication, to be a reliable source, not original research and that the explanation within the article might be helpful to others. "Bumf" as a definition doesn't deserve its own article, so wikilinking was not an option. Linking to Wiktionary is contra to the Manual of Style and the OED is a paysite. Still and all, is there a better way to include an explanation of the term in the Meinertzhagen article? It could be helpful to those for whom the term is not at the top of their everyday parlance. Geoff | Who, me? 22:47, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

. Hi, it isn't clear to me why the word "bumf" is in the article at all, since it appears in Wikipedia's voice. Even more so regarding "Australian bumf" (what is that?). If it was a quotation then we could discuss how to deal with the word, but in our text we should just replace it by something readers will understand. Unfortunately that paragraph has very unclear sourcing and I can't tell if the word "bumf" originated in one of the sources given or whether it was introduced there by some Wikipedia editor. The word does not appear in the Official History cited; I don't have "Army Diary" handy to check. Actually I believe it is a paraphrase of the book of Grainger (cited next), which has "This, of course, relied on the enemy’s understanding of the peculiar Australian attitude to discipline and ‘bumf’."(p107). That makes sense, but our phrase "comprehension of Australian bumf" doesn't make sense, which suggests that whoever put it into the article didn't understand it. The following sentence "The main consequence was a swap in the German High Command, and Mustafa Kemal's resignation." is also clearly derived from Grainger, but Grainger does not attribute any of that to the haversack ruse. I'd like to remove the whole paragraph; objections? (Also, this should be on the article talk page.) Zerotalk 00:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * No objections at all. I agree that the article does need work and I'm supportive. I got the sense that the prior editor may have been trying to refer wrapping the planted book in sandwich wrappings as part of the deception effort. I was just focusing on the term itself as perhaps benefitting from some reference and I was interested to see it being used in a fairly recent Economist article. I'm not wedded to the use of the term, though, as the sense of the story doesn't really need it. Cheers! Geoff | Who, me? 16:21, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I would like to simply advocate for the use of the word 'bumf' in general, which I wouldn't have heard were it not for this article. I highly approve of this word. Thank you for your time and attention.173.217.205.130 (talk) 07:57, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Knobkerrie
RM is supposed to have killed some Germans with one, according to Lawrence. When? Where? 86.176.83.11 (talk) 20:58, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

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Killing of Koitalel
The description here is in contrast to Meinertzhagen's "Kenya diary, 1902-1906" (published 1957), available online at https://archive.org/details/kenyadiary1902190000mein. His official report is on pp 234ff; pages from 220 describe his posting to Nandi country, his dislike for Koilatel about whom he hears that he wants to kill Meinertzhagen and whom he wants to either arrest or kill. The incident itself is described as a planned meeting with 6 persons on each side, both sides arriving with larger numbers in the back but the meeting itself being with 5 directly by Meinertzhagen and 22 with Koilatel, and hostilities being started by an arrow shot at Meinertzhagen (who was prepared to arrest or kill Koilatel). The description of the ensuing fight does not support the claim that Meinertzhagen just shot when his opposite stretched out his hand. I am now not in a position to judge whether there is gound to dispute Meinertzhagen's version of the story, but at least it should be given some space. Kipala (talk) 13:33, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

About the infobox
It sounds like he's more well-known for his military career than his scientific career so shouldn't this article instead have a military person infobox with a scientist infobox imbedded into into it? Charles Essie (talk) 03:33, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Siblings
The introduction of him doesn't mention any siblings at first (but later mentions a brother - Daniel). I was wondering if any information on his siblings could be added. I'm not asking for any in-depth information on them, just something along the lines of "Meinerzhagen was born as the second child of x and y" or "Meinerzhagen was the 2nd of 3 children". (The numbers I picked here are random, as there's no information on this in the article and I'm not familiar with the subject.) Nakonana (talk) 15:56, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

 * The German wiki article says: "Richard war das dritte von insgesamt zehn Kindern und der zweite Sohn."
 * Richard was the third of ten children and the second son. Nakonana (talk) 17:13, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Koitalel cover-up
On the killing of Koitalel, the article says "Initially, he had been able to orchestrate a cover-up and was commended for the incident." but it doesn't say what the cover-up looked like or how it was discovered that it was a cover-up and not a factual report. Nakonana (talk) 16:16, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

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PBM

PBM may refer to:

Organizations

 * Parti Bangsa Malaysia, a registered political party in Malaysia
 * Partido Bagong Maharlika, a political party in the Philippines active in the 2016 elections; see 2016 Philippine presidential election
 * Progressive British Muslims, former religious organisation in the United Kingdom

Transport

 * Johan Adolf Pengel International Airport, Paramaribo, Suriname, IATA code
 * PBM Mariner, a flying boat
 * Paul Bird Motorsport, UK

Other

 * Portable bitmap format, an image file format
 * Pharmacy benefit management
 * Post-nominal letters for Singapore Pingat Bakti Masyarakat (Public Service Medal)
 * Play-by-mail game
 * Pretty Bitch Music, forthcoming studio album by Saweetie
 * Poultry by-product meal

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Ross Robertson

Harold Valentine Ross Robertson (born 22 May 1949), known as Ross Robertson, is a New Zealand politician for the Labour Party. He was a Member of Parliament from until his retirement in 2014. He also served as president of Parliamentarians for Global Action.

Early life
Robertson was born in Wellington on 22 May 1949. Before entering politics, he was an industrial engineer.

Member of Parliament
Robertson was first elected to Parliament in the 1987 election, representing Papatoetoe replacing the retiring Eddie Isbey. He would hold the seat until the 1996 elections, when the Papatoetoe seat was abolished. That same year, Robertson was then elected to represent the replacement seat of Manukau East. In November 1990 he was appointed as Labour's spokesperson for Energy and Statistics by Labour leader Mike Moore.

In the Fifth Labour Government of New Zealand he was an assistant speaker, able to preside when any of the other presiding officers are unavailable.

In 2006 Robertson reported to the New Zealand Police that a marijuana dealer was operating next to his electorate office in Ōtara.

In 2013, Robertson voted against the Marriage Amendment Bill, which aimed to permit same-sex marriage in New Zealand, with fellow Labour MPs William Sio, Rino Tirikatene and Damien O'Connor.

On 6 June 2013, Robertson announced that he would retire from Parliament in order to pursue a career in local-body politics.

Robertson was appointed a Companion of the Queen's Service Order, for services as a Member of Parliament, in the 2015 New Year Honours.

Local-body politics
Robertson was elected to the Ōtara-Papatoetoe Local Board in the 2013 Auckland elections and was re-elected in 2016 and 2019.

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Dissent (American magazine)

Dissent is an American Left intellectual magazine founded in 1954. It is published by the University of Pennsylvania Press on behalf of the Foundation for the Study of Independent Social Ideas and is currently edited by Natasha Lewis and Timothy Shenk. Former co-editors include Irving Howe, Mitchell Cohen, Michael Walzer, and David Marcus.

History
The magazine was established in 1954 by a group of New York Intellectuals, which included Lewis A. Coser, Rose Laub Coser, Irving Howe, Norman Mailer, Henry Pachter, and Meyer Schapiro. Its co-founder and publisher for its first 15 years was University Place Book Shop owner Walter Goldwater.

From its inception, Dissent's politics deviated from the standard ideological positions of the left and right. Like Politics, the New Left Review and the French socialist magazine Socialisme ou Barbarie, Dissent sought to formulate a third position between the liberalism of the West and the communism of the East. Troubled by the rampant bureaucratization of both capitalist and communist society, Dissent was home to writers like C. Wright Mills and Paul Goodman who identified themselves as radical democrats as well as to editors who like Irving Howe and Michael Harrington more closely identified with democratic socialism. Over its seven decades in publication, it has also become an influential venue for social and cultural criticism, publishing political philosophers including Michael Walzer, Cornel West, and Iris Marion Young, as well as novelists and poets such as Günter Grass and Czesław Miłosz.

In the 1960s and 1970s, Dissent's skepticism toward Third World revolutions and the culture of the New Left occasionally isolated it from student movements, but its commitment to both pluralist and egalitarian politics—in particular, when it came to social and civil rights issues—separated it from both the mainstream liberalism and the growing neoconservative movement. Although Dissent still identifies with the democratic socialism of its founders, including Lewis A. Coser and Rose Laub Coser, its editors and contributors represent a broad spectrum of left positions: from the Marxist humanism of Marshall Berman and Leszek Kołakowski, to the social democratic revisionism of Richard Rorty and Michael Walzer, and to the radical feminism of Ellen Willis and Seyla Benhabib. In the 2010s, several of its younger editors identified themselves with the heterodox Marxism and visions of radical democracy espoused by Occupy Wall Street.

Together with the Brooklyn Institute for Social Research, Dissent announced its Archive project. It will be digitizing several short-lived literary magazines, including Marxist Perspectives and democracy, and providing access to them online. It also recently launched a labor podcast and introduced a new front of the book section dedicated to publishing cultural criticism.

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Brown-throated martin

The  brown-throated martin or brown-throated sand martin (Riparia paludicola) is a small passerine bird in the swallow family, Hirundinidae, that is widely distributed across Africa. It was formerly regarded as conspecific with the grey-throated martin (Riparia chinensis) and the Madagascar martin (Riparia cowani).

Taxonomy
The brown-throated martin was formally described in 1817 by the French ornithologist Louis Pierre Vieillot. He placed it in the genus Hirundo and coined the binomial name Hirundo paludicola. The specific epithet paludicola is Latin meaning "marsh-dweller" (from palus, paludis meaning "swamp" and -cola meaning "dweller". Vieillot based his account on "L'hirondelle à front roux" from South Africa that had been described and illustrated in 1806 by François Levaillant. The brown-throated martin is now one of six martins placed in the genus Riparia that was introduced in 1817 by the German naturalist Johann Reinhold Forster. It was formerly considered to be conspecific with the grey-throated martin (Riparia chinensis) and the Madagascar martin (Riparia cowani).

Six subspecies are recognised. They differ in size and plumage tones of the upperparts or underparts.

 * R. p. mauritanica (Meade-Waldo, 1901) – west Morocco
 * R. p. minor (Cabanis, 1851) – Senegal and Gambia to north Ethiopia
 * R. p. schoensis Reichenow, 1920 – central Ethiopia
 * R. p. newtoni Bannerman, 1937 – northeast Nigeria and west Cameroon
 * R. p. ducis Reichenow, 1908 – east DRCongo, Uganda, Kenya and north, central Tanzania
 * R. p. paludicola (Vieillot, 1817) – Angola to south Tanzania and south to South Africa

Description
The 12 cm long brown-throated martin is brown above and white or pale brown below. It lacks the narrow brown band on the breast shown by the sand martin; the bill is black and the legs are brown. Sexes are similar, but the young have pale tips to the feathers on the rump and wings.

The twittering song of the brown-throated martin is continuous when the birds are on the wing, and becomes a conversational undertone after they have settled in the roost. There is also a harsh alarm call.

Distribution and habitat
It has a wide range in Africa. It is a partially migratory species, with some populations making seasonal movements. It is usually associated closely with water as its specific epithet paludicola suggests.

Behaviour
Its brown back, small size and quicker, jerkier flight separate the brown-throated martin at once from most other members of the swallow family. It is most similar to the sand martin, Riparia riparia , which is its northern counterpart.

Breeding
The brown-throated martin is colonial in its nesting habits, with many pairs breeding close together, according to available space. The nests are at the end of tunnels of 30 to 60 cm in length, bored in sandbanks. The actual nest is a litter of straw and feathers in a chamber at the end of the burrow. Two to four white eggs are the normal clutch, and are incubated by both parents.

Food and feeding
The food of this species consists of small insects, mostly gnats and other flies whose early stages are aquatic.

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File:The Americans (Robert Frank).jpg

Cover scan of The Americans by Robert Frank, sixth printing, 1997.

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Category:Macintosh computers

See main text at Mac (computer). This category categorizes Mac computers, not peripheral hardware, technologies and software.

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Plain martin

The plain martin has been split into two species:
 * Brown-throated martin (Riparia paludicola), found in Africa and Madagascar
 * Grey-throated martin (Riparia chinensis), found in Asia

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Martin PBM Mariner

The Martin PBM Mariner is a twin-engine American patrol bomber flying boat of World War II and the early Cold War era. It was designed to complement the Consolidated PBY Catalina and PB2Y Coronado in service. A total of 1,366 PBMs were built, with the first example flying on February 18, 1939, and the type entering service in September 1940, with the last of the type being retired in 1964.

A Mariner, otherwise noted for its WW2 and post-War service, was the type that vanished searching for Flight 19. Flight 19 vanished in the Bermuda Triangle, it and the Mariner that searched for it were never found with its 14 crew, though it was thought to have suffered a mid-air explosion. Another noted crash was the 1946 Antarctica PBM Mariner crash in December 1946.

Design and development
In 1937 the Glenn L. Martin Company designed a new twin-engined flying boat, the Model 162, to succeed its earlier Martin P3M and complement the PBY Catalina and PB2Y Coronado. It received an order for a single prototype XPBM-1 on 30 June 1937.

To test the PBM's layout, Martin built a three-eighths scale flying model, the Martin 162A Tadpole Clipper with a crew of one and powered by a single 120 hp Chevrolet engine driving two airscrews via v-belts; this was flown in December 1937. This was followed by an initial production order for 21 PBM-1 aircraft on December 28, 1937. The first genuine PBM, the XPBM-1, flew on 18 February 1939.

The aircraft had multiple gun positions including single mounts at each midship beam and stern above the tail cone. Additional guns were positioned in the nose and dorsal turrets, each fitted with two-gun turrets. The bomb bays were in the engine nacelles. The gull wing was of cantilever design, and featured clean aerodynamics with an unbraced twin tail. The PBM-1 was equipped with retractable wing landing floats that were hinged outboard, with single-strut supported floats that retracted inwards to rest beneath the wing, with the floats' keels just outboard of each of the engine nacelles. The PBM-3 had fixed floats, and the fuselage was three feet longer than that of the PBM-1. Martin also developed the even larger 4-engined Martin JRM Mars in this period.

Operational history
The first PBM-1s entered service with Patrol Squadron Fifty-Five (VP-55) of the United States Navy on 1 September 1940. Prior to the USA's entry into World War II, PBMs were used (together with PBYs) to carry out Neutrality Patrols in the Atlantic, including operations from Iceland. Following Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, PBMs were used on anti-submarine patrols, sinking their first German U-boat, U-158, on 30 June 1942. PBMs were responsible, wholly or in part, for sinking a total of ten U-boats during World War II. PBMs were also heavily used in the Pacific War, operating from bases at Saipan, Okinawa, Iwo Jima, and the South West Pacific.

The United States Coast Guard acquired 27 Martin PBM-3 aircraft during the first half of 1943. In late 1944, the service acquired 41 PBM-5 models and more were delivered in the latter half of 1945. Ten were still in service in 1955, although all were gone from the active Coast Guard inventory by 1958 (when the last example was released from CGAS San Diego and returned to the U.S. Navy). These flying boats became the backbone of the long-range aerial search and rescue efforts of the Coast Guard in the early post-war years until supplanted by the P5M Marlin and the HU-16 Albatross in the mid-1950s.

PBMs continued in service with the U.S. Navy following the end of World War II, flying long patrol missions during the Korean War. It continued in front line use until replaced by its successor, the P5M Marlin. The last Navy squadron equipped with the PBM, Patrol Squadron Fifty (VP-50), retired them in July 1956.

The British Royal Air Force acquired 32 Mariners, but they were not used operationally, with some returned to the United States Navy. A further 12 PBM-3Rs were transferred to the Royal Australian Air Force for transporting troops and cargo.

The Royal Netherlands Navy acquired 17 PBM-5A Mariners at the end of 1955 for service in Netherlands New Guinea. The PBM-5A was an amphibian with retractable landing gear. The engines were 2100 hp Pratt & Whitney R-2800-34. After a series of crashes, the Dutch withdrew their remaining aircraft from use in December 1959.

On 5 December 1945, a PBM Mariner took off from Eastern Florida to search for a missing Flight 19 (five TBM Avengers on a training flight), and was not heard from again. Twenty minutes after takeoff the airplane vanished from radar. A vessel in the area reported seeing a fireball and found an oil slick, but no remains of the crew or aircraft were found. The aircraft and crew remained missing but it is suspected it suffered from a mid-air explosion.

The 1946 Antarctica PBM Mariner crash occurred on 30 December 1946, on Thurston Island, Antarctica when a United States Navy Martin PBM-5 Mariner crashed during a blizzard. Buno 59098 was one of 4 aircraft lost during Operation Highjump.

One of its replacements in US service was the Martin P5M Marlin.

Variants

 * XPBM-1 (Model 162)
 * Prototype. Powered by two 1,600 hp (1,194 kW) R-2600-6 engines.

 * PBM-1 (Model 162)
 * Initial production version. 5× .50 inch (12.7 mm) machine guns. Two R-2600-6 engines; 21 built.

 * XPBM-2 (Model 162)
 * Conversion of one PBM-1 as experimental catapult-launched long-range strategic bomber.

 * PBM-3 (Model 162B)
 * Improved version. 1,700 hp (1,270 kW) R-2600-12 engines; 32 built.

 * PBM-3R (Model 162B)
 * Unarmed transport version of PBM-3. 18 new build plus 31 converted from PBM-3.

 * PBM-3C (Model 162C)
 * Improved patrol version with twin .50 in machine guns in nose and dorsal turrets, and single guns in tail turret and waist positions. AN/APS-15 radar in radome behind cockpit; 274 built.

 * PBM-3B (Model 162C)
 * Designation for ex-RAF Mariner GR.1A after return to U.S. Navy.

 * PBM-3S (Model 162C)
 * Dedicated anti-submarine aircraft with reduced armament and weight for improved range. Six were prototyped from the PBM-3C with radar and standard armament less the dorsal turret. Later a light weight nose armament was fitted (2× fixed 0.50 in machine guns in nose. Retained were single machine gun in port waist position.; 62 conversions plus 94 built as new plus.

 * PBM-3D (Model 162D)
 * Patrol bomber with increased power (two 1,900 hp (1,417 kW) R-2600-22s) and increased armament (twin 0.50 in machine guns in nose, dorsal, and tail turrets, plus two waist guns). 259 built.

 * PBM-4 (Model 162E)
 * Proposed version with two 2,700 hp (2,015 kW) Wright R-3350 engines; unbuilt.

 * PBM-5 (Model 162F)
 * Version with 2,100 hp (1,566 kW) Pratt & Whitney R-2800 engines; 628 built.

 * PBM-5E
 * Variant of PBM-5 with improved radar.

 * PBM-5S
 * Lightened anti-submarine variant of PBM-5.

 * PBM-5S2
 * Improved anti-submarine aircraft with revised radar installation.

 * PBM-5A (Model 162G)
 * Amphibian version of PBM-5, with retractable tricycle undercarriage; 36 built plus four conversions.

 * Mariner I
 * British designation for 32 PBM-3B supplied to the Royal Air Force.

Operators

 * Argentine Navy purchased nine PBMs during the 1950s for the Argentine Naval Aviation, retiring its last Mariner in May 1962.
 * Royal Australian Air Force
 * No. 40 Squadron RAAF
 * No. 41 Squadron RAAF
 * No. 40 Squadron RAAF
 * No. 41 Squadron RAAF

 * Netherlands Naval Aviation Service
 * VSQ 321 based at Biak Air Base, Dutch New Guinea operated 15 PBM-5As between 1955 and 1960 after the retirement of their PBYs.
 * VSQ 321 based at Biak Air Base, Dutch New Guinea operated 15 PBM-5As between 1955 and 1960 after the retirement of their PBYs.

 * Guardia Nacional
 * 5 PBM-5s
 * 5 PBM-5s

 * Royal Air Force ordered 33 aircraft but only 28 were delivered.
 * 524 Squadron operated 28 Mariner Is from October–December 1943 under command of No. 15 Group Coastal Command.
 * 524 Squadron operated 28 Mariner Is from October–December 1943 under command of No. 15 Group Coastal Command.

 * United States Navy
 * ATU-1
 * ATU-10
 * ATU-501
 * VPB-2
 * VR-8
 * VR-10
 * VR-21
 * VPB-16
 * VPB-17
 * VPB-20
 * VP-21
 * VPB-27
 * VPB-34
 * VP-40
 * VP-46
 * VP-56
 * VPB-98
 * VPB-99
 * VPB-202
 * VPB-203
 * VP-204
 * VP-205
 * VPB-206
 * VPB-207
 * VP-208
 * VPB-209
 * VPB-210
 * VPB-211
 * VPB-212
 * VPB-213
 * VPB-214
 * VPB-215
 * VPB-216
 * VP-731
 * VP-892
 * VH-1
 * VH-2
 * VH-3
 * VH-4
 * VH-5
 * VH-6
 * United States Coast Guard
 * National Navy of Uruguay purchased three PBM-5S2s in 1956, with the last retired on 3 February 1964.
 * National Navy of Uruguay purchased three PBM-5S2s in 1956, with the last retired on 3 February 1964.
 * National Navy of Uruguay purchased three PBM-5S2s in 1956, with the last retired on 3 February 1964.

Surviving aircraft

 * United States Navy PBM-5A (Bureau Number (BuNo) 122071) is the only surviving Mariner. It is on loan from the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, D.C., and is currently on display at the Pima Air & Space Museum adjacent to Davis–Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Arizona. Operated by the USN between 1948 and 1956, it is painted in the markings of Transport Squadron 21 (VR-21) and coded RZ 051 of the early 1950s.
 * PBM-5 BuNo 59172 lies upside down under Lake Washington. It crashed on 6 May 1949, and after a number of unsuccessful attempts to recover the wreck over the following decades, it is now used as a training site for divers.
 * The Model 162A (registered NX19168), the piloted three-eighths scale test aircraft, is on display at the Baltimore Museum of Industry.

Accidents and incidents

 * On June 16, 1944, a U.S. Navy PBM-5 exploded and crashed in San Francisco Bay, California, killing the pilot, Lieutenant William Hess, and eight other Navy crewmen.
 * On 30 November 1944, a U.S. Navy PBM-5 crashed into Mount Tamalpais in northern California, killing eight naval aviators and naval aircrewmen. The aircraft had taken off from Naval Air Station Alameda and was part of a larger flight headed for Hawaii when it developed engine trouble shortly after takeoff.
 * On 5 December 1945, United States Navy PBM-5 (BuNo 59225), based at Naval Air Station Banana River, Florida was believed to have been destroyed in a mid-air explosion off the coast of Florida near The Bahamas, while searching for the missing TBM Avengers of Flight 19 from Naval Air Station Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
 * On 30 December 1946, a U.S. Navy PBM-5 crashed on Thurston Island, Antarctica, while supporting Operation Highjump.
 * On 10 September 1958, Mariner P-303 was being ferried to the Netherlands from Biak, Indonesia. Due to technical problems, a forced landing was carried out at Abadan, Iran. About two weeks later, repairs had been accomplished, and the aircraft took off. Shortly after takeoff, an oil leak was observed on engine number one. While on final approach for landing at Abadan airport, the aircraft suddenly lost height and crashed, killing all aboard. It appeared that the remaining propeller reversed thrust, causing the crew to lose control.
 * On 9 November 1958, a PBM-5 Mariner (CS-THB, named "Porto Santo") of the Portuguese airline ARTOP (Aero-Topográfica) piloted by Harry Frank Broadbent and co-piloted by Thomas Rowell, carrying four other crew and 30 passengers, disappeared on a scheduled passenger flight from Cabo Ruivo, Lisbon, Portugal to Funchal, Madeira. The last communication from the aircraft (when it was about 13°W) was a radio message code "QUG", meaning "I am forced to land immediately". No trace has ever been found of the aircraft, nor its six crew or 30 passengers.

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Featured Albums Project

The Featured Albums Project is an attempt to identify the album articles which are closest to being ready for featured states, and working together to help get them to that state. Feel free to add articles on albums which you feel are among the very best on Wikipedia. You may also add notes to explain what should be fixed or added to each article.

Participants: Tuf-Kat

When this project began, there were no featured albums. Since the foundation of the Featured Albums Project in October of 2004, the following albums have become featured:

Currently nominated
In approximate order of most ready to least

Future candidates

 * Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
 * Needs albumbox
 * Not sure what's needed - well fleshed out though
 * This is a strong candidate, more jazz representation needed.
 * The Who - Tommy
 * Needs albumbox
 * As its a rock opera, how about we tell the story as to how far its gotten per track? Redwolf24 22:57, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The Who - Who's Next
 * Needs albumbox
 * Albumbox needs more reviews
 * How many are we looking for? Eyeball kid 22:31, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * List more edtions of the album, like the other Who albums
 * The Beatles - Yellow Submarine
 * Needs length and more reviews in infobox
 * Pink Floyd - The Wall
 * Copyedit, albumbox
 * Aphex Twin - ...I Care Because You Do
 * Copyedit, move track listing to bottom
 * Albumbox needs more reviews and other fields
 * The Beatles - Abbey Road
 * Reads a bit fan-ish
 * The Beatles - The Beatles (album)
 * First sentence needs attribution
 * Should be moved to most common name, The White Album
 * Albumbox could use more reviews
 * Should not be moved to most common name. The Beatles is the name and it should be kept there.
 * The Beatles - Beatles for Sale
 * Likely more content available
 * Albumbox needs more reviews
 * Wasn't the conclusion to only put record lengths for the release in the original country?
 * The Who - Quadrophenia
 * Needs albumbox
 * Needs track listing
 * Albumbox needs more reviews
 * List more editions of the album, like the other Who albums
 * The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
 * album title is bolded (likely a self-link) several times
 * Needs more reviews in albumbox
 * The Beatles - Help!
 * Copy-edit needed
 * More reviews in albumbox
 * De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising
 * Needs albumbox
 * The Beatles - A Hard Day's Night
 * Needs more reviews in albumbox
 * Bob Marley & the Wailers - Natty Dread
 * Needs albumbox
 * Clean-up, probably more content to be had
 * The Beatles - Magical Mystery Tour
 * Needs more reviews in albumbox
 * The Beatles - Rubber Soul
 * There's probably more to say
 * Writing is in places bad (e.g. pointing out George Martin's keyboard work in the first paragraph)
 * Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon
 * Needs references for the sales stuff
 * Needs more reviews in albumbox
 * Formatting needs work
 * Violent Femmes - Violent Femmes
 * Needs albumbox
 * The Who - The Who Sell Out
 * Lots of technical info, but not much else
 * why so much bolding?
 * Needs albumbox
 * Albumbox
 * The Who - My Generation
 * Lots of technical info, but not much else
 * why so much bolding?
 * Needs albumbox
 * The Who - A Quick One
 * Lots of technical info, but not much else
 * why so much bolding?
 * Needs albumbox
 * Albumbox needs more reviews
 * Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
 * More reviews in albumbox
 * More content likely available
 * Formatting
 * Nirvana - Bleach
 * More content could be added
 * Nirvana - In Utero
 * More content could be added
 * Outkast - Aquemini
 * Some formatting, needs a good editor
 * Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
 * Clean-up impact section
 * More reviews in albumbox
 * The Beatles - Let It Be
 * A lot of people think this is their worst album, but this article doesn't really show that or explain why
 * See Talk:Let It Be (album). Can't please everybody I guess :) --kingboyk 01:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Pink Floyd - Ummagumma
 * Integrate quote, general formatting issues
 * The Clash - London Calling
 * There's likely more to be said
 * Needs more reviews in albumbox
 * Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
 * Big copy-edit, clean-up, some of the language is verbose and wordy
 * Needs albumbox
 * Should perhaps get some quotes from those who decried the album
 * David Bowie - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars
 * Infobox needs recorded date
 * A photo of Bowie as Ziggy would be nice
 * Needs a good copyedit
 * Ziggy needs to be placed in the broader context of Bowie's career, and the field of glam rock
 * Clean up the influences section
 * Britney Spears - Oops!... I Did It Again
 * Stupid commercial album, should have more on commercial sales
 * More reviews needed
 * Recording details for albumbox
 * Pink Floyd - A Momentary Lapse of Reason
 * More reviews in albumbox
 * More content likely available
 * Pink Floyd - Meddle
 * Formatting, more reviews in albumbox
 * Nirvana - Nevermind
 * Needs more substantial content
 * Funkadelic - One Nation Under a Groove
 * Some good content, but format needs updating
 * The Beatles - The Beatles 1
 * Is likely as good as it can get, but may not be good enough to be featured
 * Bob Dylan - Blood on the Tracks
 * what's there is good, but it needs more -- very influential album
 * Albumbox needs more reviews
 * Bob Dylan & The Band - The Basement Tapes
 * Needs albumbox
 * Likely more to say about one of the most famous bootleg albums ever
 * The Beatles - Please Please Me
 * Formatting needs to be majorly cleaned up
 * Yes - The Yes Album
 * Pink Floyd - The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
 * Coming along, needs more content
 * More reviews in albumbox
 * The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
 * Albumbox needs more reviews
 * Needs direct citation, reference (i.e. link, ref section with isbn, date of publication, etc) for "Mark Lewison's definitive book on the Beatles' recording sessions" and for "The Times critic Kenneth Tynan"
 * Oppose It just doesn't seem very well written at the moment. Don't mean to be harsh, but the language needs a lot of improvement. Immediate observations are:

 * 1. 'The album also launching what we know today as the Classic Rock radio format.' The sentence doesn't make sense. Do we know it as the Classic Rock radio format, or do just some Americans? (I've never heard of the term.) Why did this album launch that format and not other bands of the era?
 * Removed.
 * 2.'is often called' Weasel words, who does the calling?
 * That's credited in the intro to Rolling Stone, and that is all that is need for the first paragraph. Others are mentioned elsewhere, such as in the section entitled "critical reception" and in the infobox.
 * Perhaps just quote Rolling Stone if the other critics aren't going to be named there.
 * There's no nice terse quotable phrase from the review that says it, unfortunately. It's really not necessary for the first paragraph.  The goal of the intro is to get the most important facts across, and one of the most important facts is that Sgt. Pepper's is more critically acclaimed than most any other album, with Rolling Stone being given as an example.  I don't think there's any need for a quote there -- if someone wants to know the details, there's a link to the review just a few inches down in the infobox.
 * 3. 'is sometimes described' These are weasel words.
 * Removed.
 * 4.'titular song' What's wrong with 'title song'?
 * I think of a "title song" as applying specifically to the titular song of a movie or musical, not a song with the same title as the album it was released on. In any case, "titular song" is perfectly acceptable English.
 * Acceptable, but unusual. Titular in that sense is listed in dictionaries as the fourth meaning of the word. May be better to describe it as the "first" song anyway. "First" imparts information, "titular" or "title" are tautologous (anyone can see that a song called "Sgt Pepper" is the same as the album title:) )
 * The most precise word would be eponymous, I think, but that's a bit obscure for the intro. Reworded a bit: One song, "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band", appears twice in slightly modified forms at the beginning and end, giving an overall theme to the album.
 * 5. ', in slightly modified forms,' Don't need commas around this phrase.
 * Reworded.
 * 6.'In addition, several songs are cross-faded into one another, or joined by sound effects and unusual transitional elements.' Unclear sentence. What does 'cross-faded' mean? What are 'unusual transitional elements'? Why 'several songs' (I thought it was the whole A side and the whole B side)?
 * Reworded, may be more clear now. I'm not sure which songs are cross-faded, but I don't think there's any pattern to it.  Don't have a copy to check right now.
 * 7.'The duplication of "Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" was produced to create the illusion that the recording was a concert performance by the resident band of the aforementioned club, which was Paul McCartney's original idea for the record.' Unnecessary complicated sentence. No need for long words like 'duplication' and 'aforementioned'. 'Reprise' would be better than 'duplication', 'by a resident band' would be better than 'by the resident band of the aforementioned club'.
 * Second part reworded. First part not touched -- though long, duplication is a frequently used and commonly understood word.  Reprise is shorter but less commonly used, and I think, less commonly understood.  In addition, I believe a song can only be reprised if it is identical both times, though I could be wrong.
 * Could go with "repeated" (with rephrasing). The song is identified as "Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)" on the sleeve. And you're wrong, it doesn't have to be identical, it can be a shortened (and slightly modified) version of the original.
 * Changed to Repeating the first song at the end of the entire album helped establish the illusion that the recording
 * 8.'The Beatles had grown tired of touring and had quit the road in late 1966, burned out after the dramas of the "Bigger than Jesus" controversy (with its resultant deaths threats and record burnings in the United States, due to the widespread disapproval of this message from the Beatles) and the tumultuous tour of the Philippines which saw them virtually frog-marched out of the country at gunpoint.' Very long sentence of little relevance to the album.
 * Long sentence shorted, but of great relevance. It explains why they retired from touring during recording, and the importance of this is the point of the next paragraph.
 * 9. 'an effectively unlimited period'; 'virtually unlimited access' Don't know who used a thesaurus (badly) on this article, but it doesn't have many synonyms for 'unlimited'.
 * Reworded.
 * 10.Still slightly unsure on this one, but changed enough for me to remove it. 'one of their greatest strengths as a recording unit was drummer Ringo Starr, who was highly creative, stylistically adaptable and extremely reliable, rarely needing more than one take. In fact, in their entire recorded archive, there are fewer than twenty major takes that break down because of a mistake by Ringo.' Do we need a puff piece for Ringo?
 * Toned down somewhat. I don't see the problem with it.  The paragraph says that the Beatles were efficient in the studio, then mentions an author who pointed specifically to Ringo as being especially efficient.  This seems appropriate to me, but I have removed the bit about Ringo only failing a take twenty times in their career, as that should be in his article, not here.
 * 11.'By the time they came to record the album, The Beatles' musical interests and abilities...' I didn't realise that 'musical interests and abilities' could record albums.
 * The entire sentence was By the time they came to record the album, The Beatles' musical interests and abilities had grown enormously from their simple pop beginnings. Its been re-worded slightly, but your interpretation is mistaken -- the verb is clearly "had grown", not "record".
 * You miss my point. The subject of "came to record" in the opening clause is "musical interests and abilities". :)
 * I'm afraid I still miss it. In any case, I changed it to By the time The Beatles recorded the album, their musical interests had grown from....  Is this less confusing?

 * I'll stop here. I'm afraid it's just too poorly written at the moment.
 * Do you want me to read on now?
 * If you like, though if no one else votes, there will be no point as the article can't get featured.

jguk 18:39, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * John Lennon - ''Imagine
 * Albumbox needs place where recorded
 * Could use more information

 * The Smashing Pumpkins - Adore

 * Fear Factory - Transgression
 * Albumbox needs art cover, recording date and location, length and likely more reviews
 * Could use more information
 * Needs complete credits

 * Mastodon - Leviathan
 * Albumbox needs more reviews
 * Could use more information

 * The Dillinger Escape Plan - Miss Machine
 * Albumbox needs to be converted
 * Albumbox needs recording date and location
 * Albumbox may need more reviews, with rating directly on it.

 * Marvin Gaye - What's Going On

 * The Minutemen - Double Nickels on the Dime


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 * The above seems to agree with what I have read elsewhere, that "H substance" is commonly used as an alternative term for the H antigen, which is nothing to do with histamine. I'll make a disambiguation page, and flag this for expert attention. -- The Anome 07:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

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