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Talk:Elio de Angelis

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I've been reading a lot about Elio, and once I go home in a few weeks time I'll sort through my collection of F1 literature and rewrite this article with references etc throughout. If anyone has any more resources could they please post them here? Elio is a memorable figure of 1980's F1 and I think this page deserves to be done well. TheDukey 14:34, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the statement "De Angelis was the last driver to die in an F1 car until Roland Ratzenberger at Imola eight years later." should be removed. If another fatal accident takes place the preceding incident is by definition no longer the last and there have been a number of fatalities since Ratzenberger. What is the point being made? It seems to have little to do with De Angelis and more to do with the accident rate of F1 which is covered elsewhere. Nshimbi 23:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

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Requested move 20 March 2016

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Number   5  7  14:08, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Elio de Angelis → Elio De Angelis – The original Italian name has "De" with the capital "D" - see it:Elio De Angelis. Potekhin (talk) 10:48, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Potekhin, the origin of the name may be to use "De" not "de" but firstly all the cited sources use "de" (although a quick Google does show some using "De"). However the proper name of a person to use is the name that they used - to that end I found this image of his car with his name on the side using "de". Also you cant just rename every instance, as per my revert comment you broke two images and changed the titles of three references from what they actually said. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 11:13, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * This image of his autograph also seems to indicate that de Angelis himself wrote his name with a lower case 'd'. DH85868993 (talk) 11:21, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Looking a bit more it appears that both where used at he time in articles - however the name on the car is likely to be his preference, and the best copy of signature I could find was this that uses "de". Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 11:26, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * KylieTastic, thank you very much: your arguments are quite convincing, therefore I recall my renaming request. Cheers, Potekhin (talk) 13:01, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per the evidence of . Although both were used, "de" seems to be his preference. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:34, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Andrea de Cesaris

Andrea, sometimes called "The Mobile Chicane" also, has the unenviable record in F1 of having broken more cars in one season than anybody ever. (I just wish I could recall the number & year...) Trekphiler 11:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

de Cesaris
in my opinion this article needs some rewritting. for example just in the 1991 season's part:

"Even so, the point was made: de Cesaris had finally arrived." arrived where?

"9th in the standings was his best since 1983, and it was much more than anybody expected of the package." this sentence needs a quote. (how can we know what was expected of the package?)

"A fast and friendly car helped, but Andrea's maturity behind the wheel was now in no doubt." again quote needed otherwise it looks like a POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loosmark (talk • contribs) 21:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The situation has not really improved in December 2011. Much of the writing is florid and non-neutral. Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 11:32, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

the whole article
is full of POV and editorializing and unsourced statements. Karpouzi (talk) 10:50, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Imola Circuit

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Please note that the phrase "... masses of tifosi (Ferrari supporters) ..." looks misleading: The italian word "tifosi" means nothing more than "sport team supporters", and is not by itself related to Ferrari supportes, of wihich it seems to be an alias, due to the context. 12:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I corrected the coordinates of the circuit. The coordinates given are for the start/finish line, taken from Google Earth. I also added an external link to the files I made with the location of the circuits that hosted the F1 World Championship since 1950. These files include a link to wikipedia article, link to layout at FIA official site or RacingCircuits.com and a virtual lap around most circuits in 2006 F1 calendar.--Ciroa 16:11, 18 September 2006 (UTC)--

Assessment for F1 WikiProject
I assessed the importance of this as High due to the Death of Ayrton Senna. Feel free to ratchet down if appropriate, as tracks no longer on the calendar are normally rated as Mid. Guroadrunner (talk) 09:11, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Out-of-date map
There do not appear to be any maps in the commons category that show the recent modifications. This page on the WTCC website shows a map of the circuit in its current configuration. The final chicane has certainly gone, while there may be other changes. - mspete93   [talk]  17:15, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Curves
There is a section of text - «the run from Rivazza all the way to Tosa, through the pits and the eventually notorious Tamburello was totally flat out, as was the run from Acque Minerale all the way to Rivazza» (my bold) - refering to 4 obscure entities: Rivazza, Tosa, Tamburello, Acqua Minerale?! I know they are curve names (I actually came here looking to find out which is which), but the text has no explanations of what those are. Nor where they are. So for non-fans the text is meaningless, and for non-hardcore fans (like me), it still says very little - Nabla (talk) 01:10, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Small misspelling on the map
After Sentoan put the names of the curves on the map, there's one small misspelling of one of the names: "Acque Mirenali" should actually read "Acque Minerali" -  Malvim (talk) 17:04, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Moved  (t · c)  buidhe  15:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Autodromo Internazionale Enzo e Dino Ferrari → Imola Circuit – The article currently uses WP:OFFICIAL as its title, which is both unwieldy and a fairly clear violation of WP:COMMONNAME and WP:ENGLISH. By moving it to Imola Circuit, which is currently a redirect anyway, that would fix these issues while providing natural disambiguation from the town of Imola. The official name can remain in the opening sentence of the lead, the infobox, sections of prose where the official name of the track is directly relevant (ie. history), and as a redirect. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 09:07, 1 December 2020 (UTC) HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 09:07, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 15:08, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support move - very rare to see the full Italian name, eg in Speedcafe they seem to always just call it "Imola" with no mention of the official name, . Also per WP:ENGLISH as explained by the nom. As an aside, definitely the full official name must remain as a redirect and bolded in the lead per WP:OFFICIAL. A7V2 (talk) 21:56, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

 * Support. I've never understood why some circuits aren't at their universally common names. I don't think I've once seen anyone refer to this track as anything other than Imola. (I'd also support a move to Interlagos, on the same basis) QueenCake (talk) 00:02, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

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I corrected the coordinates of the circuit. The coordinates given are for the start/finish line, taken from Google Earth.--Ciroa 22:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)--

I updated link to official F1 site & added link to BBC's F1 circuit guide.--Cheetaih (talk) 03:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

No difference between layouts?
Why are the illustrations for the 1973 and 1979 layouts identical, despite having different circuit lengths? Same goes for the 1990 vs present layouts. It doesn't make any sense to highlight differences between them in terms of numbers, when they're not illustrated. I'm tempted to re-do them myself. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:04, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I second what Mac wrote, The funny thing is racingcircuits dot info also has the same problem. We need someone local to go knock on the door over there. I also corrected the name of one graphic; it was showing 1973 layout (SVG) but pulled a 1977 version .svg. Netweezurd (talk) 05:30, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Nnadigoodluck  █ █ █  09:34, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Autódromo José Carlos Pace → Interlagos circuit – The article currently uses WP:OFFICIAL as its title, however WP:ENGLISH language sources overwhelmingly refer to the track simply as "Interlagos" as this is the venue's WP:COMMONNAME in English. A reader searching for this article may be less likely to recognise the article under its current name than under the proposed name. Since "Interlagos" is already the name of the article on the neighbourhood of São Paulo that the circuit is located in the title "Interlagos circuit" can be used to provide natural disambiguation. Obviously per WP:OFFICIAL the official name should remain in the first paragraph of the lead, the infobox, and other appropriate locations. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 16:46, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support as common name. A brief google search tells you as much. SSSB (talk) 17:44, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

 * Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:38, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment from original request maker - Here are a couple of examples: Official Formula One website; The Guardian; Autosport. Edit: The Portuguese Wikipedia article uses "Interlagos" as its title; looking at some of the sources available is starting to make me doubt that "Autódromo José Carlos Pace" is actually still the current WP:OFFICIAL name (it probably is but evidence may be necessary to make sure). HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 12:31, 24 December 2020 (UTC) HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 12:45, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Move to Interlagos
FWIW, I also support moving the page to Interlagos as per the previous discussion, but someone already moved it around. Is there anything we can do to keep this stable? Best,  Mr.choppers |   ✎  00:45, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Same as what has to be done anywhere else. Revert edits that go against consensus and tell people off for disruptive editing if they keep doing it. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 05:39, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Worst case senario, we request move protection at WP:RPP. SSSB (talk) 10:56, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Questions about the official name
We are currently stating in the article that the official name of the venue is the "Autódromo José Carlos Pace"; however (as I mentioned in the move request) looking at sources I feel like it may be worth establishing whether or not this is actually the official name of the venue. It may just be that "Interlagos" is almost universally used despite not being the official name, but it is worth noting that for example it seems that the circuit's official website is called "autodromointerlagos.com". Since I can't read Portuguese it's hard for me to dig further into this, but I think it may be worth checking the exact details here. Maybe the official name has been changed back to "Interlagos", or maybe the "Autódromo José Carlos Pace" name refers to a specific layout (modern 4km layout versus old 8km layout for example). I know in the case of Jacarepaguá the CART layout was called "Emerson Fittipaldi Speedway" or something to that effect while the official title of the venue itself was different. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 11:09, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Necessity of translating corner names?
Other than the "'S' do Senna" being referred to as "the Senna S" in English, every corner on this track is almost universally referred to by its endonym in English anyway, so I somewhat question the need to translate the corner names as they currently are. On top of this there's also the issue of translating Portuguese names into English accurately in a manner which is still meaningful. For example, consulting with someone who understands the language, it seems that the actual meaning of "Subida dos Boxes" is something along the lines of "you must climb up the hill to get to the pits", which isn't really a useful translation of a name for these purposes. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 04:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * We should only translate corner names if they have a significant translation, or it's translation is commonly used. "S do Senna" is worth translating, as it is commonly refered to by it's English translation, and it's named after someone significant. I don't see any benefit in translating the rest of the corners, we are not a translation service and therefore we shouldn't translate things for the sake of it. SSSB (talk) 11:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

"Circuit" vs "circuit"
In the recent move discussion, the only option considered was "Interlagos circuit" with a lowercase "c". However, in two other recent(ish) similar move discussions, it was decided to go with an upper case "c" (ie see Talk:Imola Circuit and Talk:Albert Park Circuit). User:HumanBodyPiloter5, was this a conscious decision on your part and if so, for what reason? Or should this be changed to an uppercase "c" in line with most other similarly named articles? The formula one website link given in the move discussion uses an uppercase "c" also, with most of the other sources just using the term "Interlagos". A7V2 (talk) 23:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think it was a conscious decision. It doesn't make all that much of a difference. In prose I think "Interlagos circuit" is preferable if "Circuit" isn't a part of the official name, but as a title either is fine. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 00:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The reasoning here does not add up. Firstly "Autodromo" means racetrack (according to Google) which is a synomon of Circuit. So Circuit is in the official name. Secondly "Interlagos" isn't in the official name, it's just the common name.
 * As for myself, I think it should be capitilised for consistency, I suggest a simply, WP:BOLD move will be fine. We don't need another (formal) discussion for it. SSSB (talk) 09:45, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * If it's more consistent it's more consistent. Personally I would interpret "Autodromo" as translating to "Autodrome" but I don't think there's sufficient evidence of it being called the "Interlagos Autodrome" in English to warrant that name being a consideration. Either "circuit" or "Circuit" is fine so far as I'm concerned. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 14:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Either way, the official name contains a synomyn of circuit. I also agree that Interlagos Autodrome or Interlagos racetrack are suitable title. And I think that capitilisation of "cicuit" is minor, it is still the commonnam regardless of wether its capitialised. SSSB (talk) 14:27, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Either way, the official name contains a synomyn of circuit. I also agree that Interlagos Autodrome or Interlagos racetrack are suitable title. And I think that capitilisation of "cicuit" is minor, it is still the commonnam regardless of wether its capitialised. SSSB (talk) 14:27, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

 * I have moved to uppercase "Circuit" since you both seemed fine with it. I wouldn't be opposed to something including Autodrome or even Autodromo but for now I think it's better with the uppercase C (also I forgot to mention when I brought this up but the only source used to justify the move in the first place which used the full "Interlagos C/circuit" used "Circuit" ). A7V2 (talk) 00:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

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Coords
I corrected the coordinates of the circuit. The coordinates given are for the start/finish line, taken from Google Earth (on a low resolution photo).--Ciroa 22:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)--

Assessment for F1 WikiProject
I assessed this as Start class, but I believe this strongly could be a B-class article with references. Guroadrunner (talk) 09:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Following my earnest effort with all the inline citations (from the existing bare URL ELs), I've changed both the F1 and Motorsport Projects from a 'start' to a 'C' class. I hope this is OK.  But there still needs to be further independent references to make it worthy of a 'B' class.  78.32.143.113 (talk) 07:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Spelling
The spelling of the name of this circuit is wrong. The correct spelling is: "Autodromo Nazionale di Monza" (is missing "di", genitive). If no one has concerns, I'll rename it if few days. --Wizard IT (talk) 12:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The circuit's official website spells it as "Autodromo Nazionale Monza", i.e. without the "di", so I suggest we stick with that. DH85868993 (talk) 13:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose it's simply an orthographic mistake. It's fixed now. Elk Salmon (talk) 12:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, the text on that page refers to the circuit as just "Autodromo di Monza", i.e. without the "Nazionale". So if the article is to be renamed, perhaps that should be taken into account? DH85868993 (talk) 02:31, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup?
Why all this "citation needed" tags?? -- Itemirus  Talk Page  08:50, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Because the article is in dire need of inline citations! 78.32.143.113 (talk) 19:57, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Agreed. There's already a tag at the beginning of the article saying more citations are needed.  And I agree with that.

 * The 'banners' at the start of the article (or start of sections) are to warn readers that this particular article is deficient as an 'encylopaedic' article. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 19:57, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Having 100 citation needed tags in the article is ugly. And most of what is being said is true as far as I know.  It's just that it lacks citations.

 * The 'citation needed' tags may be 'ugly', but where an apparent 'statement' in an article is made - it MUST be backed up by an inline citation. If it doesn't have a citation - then there are two options: add the 'citation needed' tag, or remove the unreferenced text!  Furthermore, when you state specific persons, especially when dealing with deaths, then it is absolutely VITAL that they have an inline citation - see WP:BIOG.  78.32.143.113 (talk) 19:57, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

 * I have a book on F1 race tracks which I think could be used as a resource. But does every sentence really need a citation?  That can't be right.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.201.190 (talk) 15:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

 * If you have a book which covers this article, then use the appropriate citation template, and ensure you quote specific page numbers from your book for each sentance in this article which needs a citation. And yes, EVERY sentance should have a citation, and this would be the ideal way of achieving a high quality encyclopaedic article - however, trying to find a reference for every citation may prove difficult - and ommissions of citiations from some sentances shouldn't be a major problem.  But this article has hardly any inline citations, and that is a major issue.  I'm sorry all these 'citation needed' tags make it look ugly - but that is how Wikipedia works.  Kind regards - oh, and don't forget to 'sign' any future comments on 'talk/discussion' pages with four 'tildes' ~, thanks.  78.32.143.113 (talk) 19:57, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

 * "EVERY sentance should have a citation" not really, "Sources should be cited when adding material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, when quoting someone, when adding material to the biography of a living person, and when uploading an image. " --Typ932 T·C 20:58, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Typ932, your lack of comprehension of the English language is very apparent, because you missed the text emphasis on the word "should" - "EVERY sentance should have a citation" - in other words, ideally every sentance should be referenced. But the crucial issues of this article is that there are MANY statements of 'facts' (or apparent facts), and these specific facts MUST be backed up by citations (or have the 'citation needed' tag).  Furthermore, citations MUST be added for ALL comments on persons, weather living or dead - and especially so when it is a 'major event' in that persons 'life' (such as births, marriages, and particularly deaths).  Why do you think the Assessment for F1 WikiProject failed to achieve nothing more than a Start class on the quality scale.  The article, as it stands - whilst it provides very good comprehensive information, can NOT be verified - so in order for this article to improve its 'quailty', effort needs to made to search and include inline citations. :)  78.32.143.113 (talk) 07:48, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

 * I know very well what should means, but the case is that citations should be used only when needed... and yes I know very well citations is needed for this article but "citation needed" tag is not needed here in every sentence...everyone smart enough knows it by reading the article.... --Typ932 T·C 12:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

 * You are fundamentally wrong. I suggest you look at citation needed article and Template:citation needed template!  Quotes from pages: "used to identify questionable claims which lack a citation to a reliable source, Many editors object to what they perceive as overuse of this tag, and the most important quote All direct quotations, statistics, and facts whose accuracy might be challenged require citations"  So I state again - ALL points of 'fact' or 'statistics' MUST have inline citations - if they don't have inline citations - either tag them accordingly, or REMOVE the unreferenced text.  78.32.143.113 (talk) 12:52, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Can you read? I just wrote that "should be used only when needed.." and needed here means just that same thing you wrote, but its not for all sentences as you said earlier. this is pointless discussion once again... --Typ932 T·C 13:25, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

~ As solely a reader, and not an editor, may I say it's an absolute disgrace the amount of "citation needed" tags that dot this page. Is the person who jotted them down seriously questioning that the circuit was heavily changed following Senna's death in 1994? Sounds like someone has a grudge more than anything.

Motorcycle racing
Being as this article is in the Motorcycle racing WikiProject, there seems to be very little info in the article on how Monza facilitates motorcycle racing. Perhaps someone from the WikiProject can add further info - there is plenty of info in the already included MonzaNet citations. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 07:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Overuse of Citations?
I'm starting a new section because the old citations block on this discussion page was fair time ago and sounds like an argument that can't be that productive. All I want to do here is state my opinion and see what comes of it, without the risk of having my head bitten off. Personally, I feel that the 'History' section has far too many citations. I won't argue that citations are necessary, of course they are, but taking the first sentence, nine citations (many of which are duplicates) seems quite excessive. It makes quick reading and scanning of the article more tricky than it should be, looks messy and seems a little facetious. I'd suggest putting all the citations at the end of the relevant sentence - this would clean it up, no information would be lost and using the first sentance as an example, we could lose six duplicated citations without losing information or making it ambiguous. Also, looks at the first sentence of the second paragraph - only two citations (5 and 6) are needed but putting them in after every single fact seems rather silly and excessive. "In 1928, the most serious Italian racing accident to date[5][6] ended in the death of driver Emilio Materassi[5][6] and 27 spectators[5][6] at that year's Grand Prix" could easily be changed to "In 1928, the most serious Italian racing accident to date ended in the death of driver Emilio Materassi and 27 spectators at that year's Grand Prix[5][6]" because all the information in that sentence can be found in those references - highlighting "the most serious Italian racing accident", the death of Materassi and the deaths of the spectators seperately when the info comes from the same sources seems unnecessary. Anyway, that's just my opinion and suggestion - any thoughts? FaithHealer1 13:23, 8 September 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.23.49.249 (talk)
 * It does need a citation trim I do agree with you, there are paragraphs with several cites after every clause. Feel free to make the changes, although it is on my mental to-do list when I get the time. QueenCake (talk) 21:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

No replacement for displacement?
The page lists capacity as 137000. Is that seats, or including SRO? I'm also not sure mentioning it in the very first line is the appropriate place... TREKphiler  any time you're ready, Uhura  00:12, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Fastest Lap
The fastest lap of the modern Grand Prix circuit is, according to this video from the official Formula 1 channel, is 1:19.525 Shall we edit this in the infobox? Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYPU3MNqHw Alexsd27 (talk) 16:14, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No. Qualifying laps have never counted towards lap records. --Falcadore (talk) 09:57, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * OK. Thank you. Alexsd27 (talk) 10:49, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

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Track layout
It is claimed, that after the 1933 GP the layout was changed and chicanes were added. But the Combined oval/road course version was run from 1955 to 1969, without any chicanes included. So the 10 kilometer version was run up until 1969 as far as I can tell --AndroidOfNotreDame (talk) 12:54, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

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Correct name: Autodromo Nazionale di Monza
Dear users, the official name of the circuit includes the "di" (italian for "of"). Look at https://www.monzanet.it/images/content/pages/docs/autodromo-monza-5iDcEifRtuRhDPU.pdf, part of the circuit's official website. You will find an official contractual guideline by the SIAS SpA (the owners of the circuit) clearly indicating the circuit official (and legal) name. At page 3 the first line of the box is headed "Nome della Società e Ragione Sociale" ("Company name and business name"), that is given as "Autodromo Nazionale di Monza", followed by the owner's name ("S.I.A.S. Società Incremento Automobilistico e Sport S.p.A). Quite straightforward. I'm not skilled enough in Wikipedia mechanics to change the article title, is there anybody so kind to do that? All the best and thanks in advance. --Arturolorioli (talk) 12:47, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

 * Done. Thanks to user:Anthony Appleyard. --Arturolorioli (talk) 06:22, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 6 May 2021

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Autodromo Nazionale di Monza → Monza Circuit – The article currently uses WP:OFFICIAL as its title, which is a violation of WP:COMMONNAME and WP:ENGLISH. The commonname is clearly Monza. By moving it to Monza Circuit, that would fix these issues while providing natural disambiguation from the city of Monza. Note we did exactly the same for Imola Circuit last year. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:13, 6 May 2021 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Neutral comment - With Imola the issue was that the WP:OFFICIAL name did not conform with the WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CONCISE, or WP:ENGLISH policies. In this case WP:COMMONNAME is not an issue as the current title contains the word "Monza" and therefore is likely to be easily recognisable to readers. The proposed title is more WP:PRECISE and is in WP:ENGLISH, which could be seen as preferable. In the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One it was flagged that sources use both "Monza Circuit" and "Monza Autodrome" to refer to the subject in English, and while "Monza circuit" is probably the most commonly used construction the "Monza Autodrome" version has the advantage of being closer to the WP:OFFICIAL name which is currently used. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 15:30, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support for reasons I gave in the previous discussion, namely that English language sources do use this name, and I feel it is a good natural disambiguation since the common name Monza is not available. Failing that, I would also support a move to something like Monza (disambiguator) but that would not be my first preference. A7V2 (talk)
 * Incorrect name  Disambugated name would "Monza (circut)". "Monza Circuit" is fake missleading, pretending to be official name. Eurohunter (talk) 14:55, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Stop pinging me in multiple places about this. Cicut isn't correct spelling, missleading isn't a proper word either, so it's hard to take you seriously. Also, this is consistent with other circuit such as Imola and Mugello. We had a proper move discussion and you chose not to participate. If you disagree, you'll need a WP:MOVEREVIEW. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:09, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, it's a Natural disambiguation, which Monza (circuit) is not. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:11, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you are reading too much in a capitial letter. Pretending to be official name is not an impression I get and the opening sentence makes it pretty clear what the official name is SSSB (talk) 15:26, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Natural disambiguation is generally far preferable in my opinion. I really don't understand why you would want to use brackets in this case. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 07:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

not the third
The lede (citing the circuit's own publicity) claims Monza is the third purpose built track. This is clearly not true - Wikipedia itself lists Los Angeles Motordrome, Oakland Motordrome, Chicago's Speedway Park, Des Moines Speedway, Omaha Speedway, Sheepshead Bay Speedway, Tacoma Speedway, Uniontown Speedway, Cincinatti Speedway, Beverly Hills Speedway, Fresno Speedway, San Francisco Speedway, and Cotati Speedway as all being built before 1922 (all of those being board tracks, so explicitly built for auto racing). I suspect there are many tracks, if you include asphalt, concrete, brick, clay, etc surfaces, and locations other than the US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:589:300:ca70::3f08 (talk) 13:38, September 10, 2021 (UTC)

Major Events
This seriously needs a clean-up. Way too many championship and it's loaded up with WP:RECENTISM. Monza is 100 years old. Series like Formula 2 and Formula 3, who exist only as ladder categories for Formula One are not major events. You can't be a major event when you don't have an identity or calendar separate from Formula One. Major Events is about the most important events in Monza's 100 year history, not what is on the calendar for 2022. --Falcadore (talk) 14:30, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Apeiro94 I removed GT World Challenge and 24H Series as considering the 90+ year history of the circuit a regional second and third tier GT Championship are not major despite being headline series of their events. 24H series is strictly amateur in it's competitors and struggles with entry numbers at many events. --Falcadore (talk) 00:34, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I can try to compromise as much as I can. OK, let's consider 24H Series is rather amateur series, and not put it into the major events section. Maybe, the same can be considered for the International GT Open too. But GT World Challenge is SRO Motorsports Group's series, and it is more professional than these other GT3 series, and it is the successor of FIA GT Championship and FIA GT1 World Championship. So, I will put it into the infobox again. And I can also agree for not putting the future events into the infobox. But, I still do not agree for not indicating the exact years for the series in the current events. Maybe it can be discussed in there: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Formula_One Apeiro94 (talk) 05:44, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

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Endurance Circuit
The circuit used for GPs from 2004-2009 is called the endurance circuit and not the 2010 GP circuit. Edited —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.123.251.195 (talk) 13:01, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Coordinates
I corrected the coordinates of the circuit. The coordinates given are for the start/finish line, taken from Google Earth. --Ciroa 18:03, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

GTR-FIA Racing Game
I removed the link to the game GTR - FIA GT Racing Game from the list, because the track was not included in the original game. As for many other games Bahrain is available as inofficial mod by the community. --Dahie (talk) 14:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Endurance circuit
If anyone knows the lap record for the new layout that will be used for the 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix, please add it to the infobox.-- Midgrid  (talk)  15:09, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Done so. Cs-wolves  (talk)  15:52, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks!-- Midgrid  (talk)  16:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Lap record?
According to the BBC website the fastest lap is not 1:31.447 by Pedro de la Rosa in 2005 but 1:30.252 by Schumacher in 2004? So who is right, FIA or BBC?

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/26810197 --Vunzmstr (talk) 21:39, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The circuit was slightly modified between 2004 and 2005. Schumacher's 1:30.252 is the lap record for the original (5.417 km) circuit; de la Rosa's 1:31.447 is the record for the modified (5.412 km) circuit). DH85868993 (talk) 23:43, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Reminder that Lap Records are taken from the race session only, not from Qualifying or Practice sessions.

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A lap in a Formula One car
Hi, it might be a good idea to add at the beginning of this section the top speed approaching the breaking zone after the start/finish line, which is about 325kph (202mph). Talk it over with your people & add it in if you think it would be worthwhile. Thanks 120.16.82.117 (talk) 17:42, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

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Wall of Champions
The wall at the final chicane is also known as the "Wall of Champions" due to many of them ending their race there. I'll add this tomorrow unless someone objects with a good reason. Counterfit 05:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I corrected the coordinates of the circuit. The coordinates given are for the start/finish line, taken from Google Earth.--Ciroa 17:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)--

Final Corner
Correction possible to the text, MS/JV/DH + Jenson Button (2005) + Tonio Liuzzi (2007) have all hit the wall of champions (located at the exit of the final chicance), Alonso/Rosberg/Montoya hit a different wall in the circuit, at exit of turn 5. I may be incorrect about montoya, but for sure Alonso 2005, Rosberg 2006 hit the exit of turn 5, not the wall of champions.

NASCAR race is now almost confirmed
According to Jayski.com the Busch Series date See http://www.jayski.com/busch/busch.htm I know I saw the article on the other source but it doesn't confirm the date ethier as it say Dover track sources and they are known to be unreliable. Sawblade05 08:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Tonight on Speed TV's Trackside live at Kansas Speedway, they have confirmed that they will be a bush series race at this track. Sawblade05 04:34, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

 * The Busch Series schedule has been released today, and it indeed includes a race here on August 4. As such, I'm adding the Busch Series and WikiProject NASCAR templates. - DiegoTehMexican 21:33, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Infobox Image
The thumbnail image in the infobox is not displaying for me unless I click through to the actual page it's hosted it. Happens both in Firefox and with Google Chrome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThomasAndrewNimmo (talk • contribs) 14:01, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The Thumbnailer is having problems with a lot of SVGs. See the Silverton map section of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One. Will (Talk - contribs) 05:59, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

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Circuit Diagram
I've never seen any source for the name Pit Hairpin, only Casino Hairpin or simply L'Épingle. In addition, the Pont de la Concorde is the bridge located just before turn 9, not near turn 7 as indicated on the diagram. Can anyone verify and, if necessary, fix these issues? 74.57.177.192 (talk) 22:36, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * As it is an image you need to talk to the author -> here. --Falcadore (talk) 11:41, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Lap Record
The lap record is held by Rubens Barrichello, with a lap of 1:13.622 - having been set during the race weekend of 2004.

Lap records are the fastest laps achieved during races only.

Practice and Qualifying laps do not count as lap records.

If laps outside of the race did count towards lap records, the record holder would be Ralf Schumacher with a lap of 1:12.275, from Qualifying during the weekend of the race in 2004.

I think you misspelled "1:12.205" as "1:12.275" ChangeMyNamePlease (talk) 12:48, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Or it was 2001? ChangeMyNamePlease (talk) 12:48, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

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Lap Record?
The convention is that an official lap record is set during a race - Zandvoort was last used for F1 in 1985. (Alas!) -- Ian Dalziel 23:29, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't that be the fastest lap, rather than lap record? tommylommykins 16:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Lap record is lap record, Max Verstappen has beaten the lap record on the current circuit layout. Where did you get this 'convention' anyway? Waky86 (talk) 13:27, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Formula 1 uses that convention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.94.163.79 (talk • contribs)

 * The entry in Glossary of motorsport terms says :
 * Lap record
 * Fastest race lap recorded at a circuit for a category of race car. The circumstances allowed vary significantly, but practice laps are generally not considered official records. Laps recorded in qualifying may or may not contribute but are sometimes referred together with practice laps as Qualifying lap record. The outright lap record is the fastest race lap ever recorded at any particular circuit, regardless of category of vehicle being raced.
 * Ian Dalziel (talk) 12:46, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

PC Games
ToCA Race Driver 2 includes this track as well as 3rd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.35.231 (talk) 19:08, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Map not northwise
The graphics of the map of the course needs an arrow to the north. The map shows the nature about turned about 110° counterclockwise.

(the 2 long parallels, including the box lane, go parallel with the shore in about 300 m distance, according to google maps). Direction of sunlight is important for sight ... --Helium4 (talk) 12:13, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No, actually it does not need a north arrow. Circuit layout is more important than orientation. The majority of the world's circuits are known from maps where the pit complex is orientated towards the bottom of the page. By orienting according to north arrow we would be bucking convention.
 * What does a north arrow tell us about the racetrack, other than where north is? Anything? --Falcadore (talk) 12:40, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

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Motorcycle races
I know there are, or at least have been, motorcycle races at Zandvoort but this article doesn't seem to mention them at all. --SVTCobra 12:04, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

First year for Dutch Grand Prix in the infobox
I agree that the first Dutch Grand Prix which counted towards the World Drivers' Championship (which is today called the Formula One World Championship) was in 1952. But it doesn't say "Formula One World Championship" in the infobox; it says "Formula One" and the first Dutch Grand Prix held to Formula One regulations was in 1950. Per my edit summaries, the convention (as demonstrated at Silverstone Circuit and Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez) is to list the first time the race was held to Formula One regulations, not the first time it was part of the World Championship. DH85868993 (talk) 23:39, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Understood. Island92 (talk) 23:45, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya

Comments
I corrected the coordinates of the circuit. The coordinates given are for the start/finish line, taken from Google Earth.--Ciroa 16:57, 18 September 2006 (UTC)--

Lap record
I assume that reported Lap Record is obtained before circuit's reconstruction (introduction of chicane). Shouldn't it be reset after this change? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Szczepanh (talk • contribs) 13:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll argue for a different point: Testing-times are unofficial, considering the cars don't get weighed and don't have to conform to Formula 1 regulation? Otherwise, McLaren could run a 2008 rear wing, an old 900HP V10 and super-soft special slicks, post a 1'13, and promptly hold the record. Note: Even Formula1.com adds "Unofficial times from :" to their results. I've reverted the lap record - I don't think we should have it any way other than the official Formula 1 record, which is still the 2008 laptime on formula1.com. MetzMaboo (talk) 16:47, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. Only race laps should be counted. 129.241.151.82 (talk) 23:56, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

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Architecture
Who built it? When was it built (1991 started operating, but when did it start and finish being built?) Jeanlucaslima (talk) 00:04, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Circuit de Monaco

Coordinates
I corrected the coordinates of the circuit. The coordinates given are for the start/finish line, taken from Google Earth.--Ciroa 16:59, 18 September 2006 (UTC)--

Piquet quote
Hello. I believe the Nelson Piquet quote to be "Driving in Monaco is like riding a bike in your living room". At least, that's the way it's been referred to for ages here in Brazil. Does anyone have the source? Cheers. JimboB 14:03, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Links
Added links to BBC & official F1 site.--Cheetaih (talk) 23:38, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Gear for Ste. Devote
By no means is the Ste. Devote Corner taken in third or fourth gear in a formula one car. listen to the engines after having passed the corner, and you will hear at least five upshift manouvres on their ascent to the casino. Based on the fact that all modern have formula one cars have seven-speed-gearboxes, they pass the Ste. Devote corner either in first or second gear. Do not rely on the 'data' that is given to the press by some teams. they all contain some disinformation. 84.170.179.72 (talk) 01:48, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

 * On-screen graphics from yesterday's GP suggest Ste. Devote is taken in second.Mr Larrington (talk) 13:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Lap Record
Now I've changed the record lap time back to what it was when M. Schumacher had done a 1:14 lap time. That's all fantastic and that but what I'm wondering is why is the record lap times that's performed in race conditions the only ones that count? Mark Webber did do a faster lap time but it isn't the record. If you can direct me to a discussion that bought about this decision then I would be much appreciated. If this is an unspoken rule, it seems a bit weird to me. Antimatter31 (talk) 08:10, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * See Wikipedia_talk:F1. DH85868993 (talk) 08:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I see now. Thanx. Antimatter31 (talk) 15:10, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Sectors
Can someone explain why the first sector on the course layout diagram doesn't begin precisely at the start/finish line? 99.193.239.8 (talk) 19:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * There is no start/finish line at Monaco. The start line is much closer, a couple hundred metres closer, to Ste Devote than the finish line. This is in order to accomodate a full grid on such a short straight as the straight in front of the Monaco pits. But you are right in that the article should say this somewhere. --Falcadore (talk) 22:32, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Hairpin name
This new scheme in it the hairpin name is correctly specified: Fairmont Hotel hairpin instead of Grand hotel hairpin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.172.29.42 (talk) 18:08, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Adverse Camber?
The article currently states: "The Rascasse takes the cars into a short, adversely-cambered straight that precedes the final corner, Virage Antony Noghes." I'm unconvinced that this section is adversely cambered (i.e. higher at the edges of the track than in the centre - as defined at and Cant_(road/rail) and Camber_angle).

Could it be that the intention here was to convey that the (normal) camber is unfavourable to the drivers, since they tend to use the outside of the track at this point (due to shortness of the straight and the preceding and following bends both being right-hand)?

Does anyone have any conclusive evidence that this straight is actually adversely-cambered (as defined)? 86.7.30.217 (talk) 13:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Having driven around the track there, itis inversely cambered (higher at the centre of the track than the edges). Inverse is objective, adverse is subjective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.49.36 (talk) 09:48, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

That's also how I remember it, from walking the course, and also from TV coverage (2012-05-26) where the (straight) bridge cast a visibly "humped" shadow. In the absence of any support for it being adversely-cambered, I'm going to remove that claim. 86.7.30.217 (talk) 12:52, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Criticism
I've just noticed that this article doesn't mention any criticism against the circuit for producing boring races. I suggest someone should add a section detailing why. Klrfl  Talk!  14:06, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Major Events
I have removed the support categories from "Major events" for a couple of reasons. List abuse for one, it bloats the size of the infobox. And support categories do not rise to the level of Major Event, nor can they if the reason they exist is to support the actual major event. Please do not list everything possible, simply because you can. Writing concisely is more important than writing exhaustively. -- Falcadore (talk) 12:56, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It is also duplicating information listed deeper in the article listing what categories race at Monaco. Don't try to shove everything into the infobox. --Falcadore (talk) 13:24, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It is absolutely not different. And "supported" in the context you are using meaningless. Why do you not understand what is major and what is not User:Island92? Is everything major? --Falcadore (talk) 14:01, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm simply following the practice adopted for each Formula One article circuits. Those are Major events included. Island92 (talk) 14:09, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No it's all of them. Why is it difficult to understand? Major is the headline event and everything else is not. It is also not the "practice". It is merely what has incorrectly been done previously. Several circuit articles have been altered already.
 * Why would major events mean listing everything? And it is listed below in the article so this is unnecessary duplication. Not only is "it is what we do" not an acceptable answer on it's own, there is specific wikipedia policy against that idea. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS --Falcadore (talk) 14:15, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The box acts like a "presentation" for the whole article. F2 and F3 they should be listed, too. No matters if they are reported in the article itself.--Island92 (talk) 14:37, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with Falcadore. Formula 2 and Formula 3, and Porsche Supercup are not "major events", they do not belong in the infobox. SSSB (talk) 19:51, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Why do you list every year in detail and restore "Current"? The years make it obvious what is current and what is not. Please stop doing that. Putting in "-present" tells you it's a current event so you don't have to type it twice. So like I'm doing here where I am I say for the third time that saying something is present is duplicating "Current". And if I point it out a fourth time you might say that's unnecessary repetition. Well so is saying it's Current. --Falcadore (talk) 15:59, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Circuit length 1929-1972
The article currently shows the following in the infobox and the "Layout history and lap records section": However other sources specify the 1929-1972 circuit lengths as follows (for Motor Sport, I've done the conversion from miles to km):
 * Original Grand Prix Circuit (1929–1971) 3.145 km (1.954 mi)
 * (1st Variation:) Grand Prix Circuit (1972) (chicane in the port moved further away from the tunnel) 3.145 km (1.954 mi)

which matches this Motor Sport magazine article which says that the original configuration was unchanged from 1929 to 1954 and the circuit was changed in 1955, slightly reducing the length. So I think there's reasonable evidence that it should be: Thoughts? DH85868993 (talk) 23:30, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Original Grand Prix Circuit (1929–1954) 3.180 km (1.976 mi)
 * 1st Variation: Grand Prix Circuit (1955-1972) (chicane in the port moved further away from the tunnel) 3.145 km (1.954 mi)

 * I agree. For what its worth, StatsF1 agrees (pre-1950 and 1952 weren't F1 races so are not included). The track lengths in the article are also unsourced - so I see no reason why we would keep these unattributed distances. SSSB (talk) 20:01, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

 * OK. If there are no objections within the next 24 hours, I'll update the article and any necessary race report articles (I think all the race reports already reflect my proposed change, except 1952 Monaco Grand Prix). DH85868993 (talk) 13:30, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅. DH85868993 (talk) 11:03, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

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I've got two images here from the outcome of Articles for deletion/Raidillon. I figure you guys would know better than I would on where/how to place them. --Wafulz 22:05, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Discussion merged from Masta Kink (Pyrope 14:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC))
It is hard to believe that the German drivers Stuck and Mass talked to each other in English. In German the words for human body-parts and parts of a car's body are quite different. Refering to human remains one would say "Körperteile" whereas exterior car parts are "Karosserieteile", "Verkleidungsteile" or simply "Autoteile". The German expressions for human-body and car-body simply do not match like they do in English. In German a car doesn't have a body, it rather has a "Karosserie" or a "Verkleidung". They might have used the German word for parts which is in both cases just "Teile". So maybe Stuck told Mass to watch out for parts around Masta. Only that way Mass had two options to consider. But who knows, maybe they really used to talk English and not their mother-tongue which happens to be the same. At least this is not impossible. It would be interesting to find out. Another point is that some sources state Stuck and Mass shared a car in this race. In 1973 Stuck drove a BMW togehter with Chris Amon and Jochen Mass had a contract with a Ford team where he joined forces with John Fitzpatrick. This adds further doubts to the story.

Crashes of 1966 and 1973
I am afraid this account about the Masta kink contains some factual inaccuracies.

When Jackie Stewart crashed his car during the first lap of the 1966 F1 GP, it happened in the Burnenville turn, which is a very fast and long turn. If fact, that year, when the start was given, the cars started in dry race condition. However, due to the length of the track, it often happened at Francorchamps that some parts of the track could be wet while others were not. This is exactly what happened that year. When the cars started, there was a rainstorm over the hamlet of Burnenville and the track became wet at this place, but it was still dry on the start line. During the first lap of the race, the drivers entered Burnenville almost at full speed only to suddenly find a wet track. If I recall well, at least 4 drivers crashed, among which J. Steward. His car ended indeed upside down, but not in the cellar and not even in the courtyard of the farm (which by the way lays on the left of the track and – at least – 3 or 4 meters below the level of the track). But since there were several cars involved, it took several minutes before one could extract Jackie from his car. And I can easily think that for him these few minutes have seemed to be hours. Since them, he really hated the track. Another driver, Jo Siffert if I recall well, was also in a very uncomfortable position. The front of his car (including the front wheels) was over the farm courtyard, while the back was still on the track, the whole being in an unstable balance. I can’t recall who the other drivers involved were, but Graham Hill and Jo Bonnier could have been involved as well. In fact, other drivers too got crashes during that race and only 5 managed to get points. Altough a few more actually finished the race, but with insufficient distance covered.

 * Stewart was rescued by Bob Bondurant, after Bondo borrowed a spanner from a spectator in order to remove the BRM's steering wheel. Mr Larrington (talk) 15:43, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

With respect to the 24 hours race of 1973, there were indeed 3 drivers killed in two distinct crashes. The first one took place in Malmedy corner (just before the Masta straight) and not in the Masta kink. During the night, one driver lost control of his car and the car behind him crashed into it, both being killed almost instantly. I can't remember their names anymore.

 * Hans-Peter Joisten and Roger Dubos were killed at Malmedy; the other 1973 fatality was that of Massimo Larini at Les Combes. Mr Larrington (talk) 15:43, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

The other crash indeed occurred in the Masta kink, where an older gentleman driver (if I remember well, he was almost 60 y.o.), Léon Denier (or maybe Dernier) lost control in the kink and rolled his car up an electrical pole. I can’t however remember whether a marshall was involved in this accident as well. --Lebob-BE 00:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Léon Dernier, who used sometimes to race under the pseudonym "Eldé". Finished 3rd at Le Mans in 1962 with the equally-pseudonymous "Beurlys" (real name Jean Blaton). He was killed in the 1969 24H while driving a Mazda. Mr Larrington (talk) 15:43, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Track record
The track record is the fastest lap not the pole time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.59.75.167 (talk) 20:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Small edit
Removed incorrect reference to 3 drivers being killed in 1972 24 Hours of Spa. This in fact happened in 1973. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.65.199 (talk) 23:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Lap records?
What constitutes a lap record?

The right panel states that Chris Amon set the lap record for the old circuit in 1970 in a March with a time of 3:27.4. This may be the fastest lap in a Formula One car, but is not the fastest lap.

The body text under the section "The Triangle" states the lap record belongs to Henri Pescoloro. I've done a bit of research to try and confirm this claim and believe this refers to the 1973 Spa 1000km, during which he clocked a time of 3:13.4 in a Matra MS670. However, I've found another source which claims that during Friday practice for the same race, Jacky Ickx did a lap in 3:12.7 in a Ferrari 312PB. I've not been able to verify this anywhere else but if it's true does that count as a lap record? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazysnailboy (talk • contribs) 15:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Practice and qualifying laps do not count towards lap record. But if the Pescorolo Matra lap was recorded during a race then sure it can supersede the Amon lap. --Falcadore (talk) 21:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Pescarolo's lap was indeed recorded during the race and is still the official record of the "old" track. --Lebob-BE (talk) 21:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Current circuit record?
The fastest lap on the Formula One website is given as 1:45.108 by Kimi Raikkonen. Click here to see. In the article infobox it's given as 1:47.263 by Sebastian Vettel. --Peroxwhy2gen (talk) 22:47, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

 * The circuit has changed since Kimi Raikkonen set that record, essentially, it's a different circuit. --Falcadore (talk) 23:01, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

But surely the Formula 1 website would have changed the lap record to 1:47.263 since the same circuit will be used this year as well. --Peroxwhy2gen (talk) 04:08, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Welcome to the realisation that the official F1 website is not actually accurate a lot of the time. --Falcadore (talk) 05:44, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not agree with the Vettel fastest lap, I think that the official information shuld be used, the page has different lap records for each layout, but not for the pre 2007 layout. In other circuits with minimal changes on chicanes and other stuff the F1 "official" lap record stands, why this one should be different? Not make any sense. Add another lap record for the pre 2007 layout or change all the circuits that has the "official" F1 record for the "non official". For me putting here Vettel at the fastest lap is not serious. 10:32, 5 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.170.237.183 (talk)
 * It wasn't a minimal change, it added a couple of seconds to the lap times. Also, F1's official records are not exactly known for their reliability - why should we give preference to a source of known unreliability? Surely it is up to F1 to pick up their act rather than up to Wikipedia to perpetuate inaccurate information. --Falcadore (talk) 10:50, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

All right with that, We must create a pre 2004 circuit. But the information is incorrectas as is shown now, if you read this page it says: Fastest lap from 1979-Present, Sebastien Vettel, that is totally incorrect, between 1979-present the fastest lap is from Raikkonen! Whatever the canges made, between that years the lap record is the lowest time between those years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.170.237.183 (talk) 09:00, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No, the stat does not say fastest lap, it says lap record. Spa has been modified many many times since the the circuits major redevelopment in 1979. To detail each iteration of the circuit's lap record (and by the way Raikkonen would not be the fastest lap since 1979 you should bear in mind) would make the infoxbox impractically long.
 * Vettel is the lap record holder. Deal with it. --Falcadore (talk) 19:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

 * See Silverstone Circuit. Formula One recognizes Mark Webber's 1:33 as the lap record in 2013, even though the layout changed even more minimally in 2011 than when Spa changed theirs. Monaco opened up a corner in 2015 that made the circuit a whole 3 metres shorter, but the FIA still classified it as a new layout and thus whoever got the fastest lap in 2015 is the current lap record holder. Twirlypen (talk) 06:24, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Circuit before 2007
I think we should also add the circuit record before the 2007 Formula One season when the circuit length was 6.976 km. --Peroxwhy2gen (talk) 02:37, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

 * We'd need one pre-2004 as well - the chicane has been redesigned twice. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 07:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

 * More than twice. --Falcadore (talk) 10:52, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Well, sort of. There are several configurations in Forix, but the actual track has only changed twice (since the chicane was added) - the other changes are to the pit entry. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 12:25, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Track Map
Currently, the three maps showing the circuit at three different times in the past. The one in the infobox is a different orientation to the other two. I do not know if we have a default orientation for F1 circuits (north to the top, or maybe start/finish to the bottom for example)and maybe it would vary from circuit to circuit. But I do think that within an article all the maps should have the same orientation. I do not know how difficult this would be to achieve, but I think we should aim for it. Kiltpin (talk) 12:31, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be nice, but it's unlikely to happen as no-one is producing modifying maps anymore. --Falcadore (talk) 14:29, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

I also have to say that there are some discrepancies in the turn names, particularly turn 8 which is called Rivage in the Formula 1 official website, but is called Bruxelles here. There are places that call turn 7 Malmedy, and other that call turn 9 Malmedy. And so on. http://www.formula1.com/races/in_detail/belgium_875/circuit_diagram.html Thanks Carloseduardo (talk) 01:38, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Images are generally owned by their original authors so any mods would likely have to be done by them, and as mentioned the map composers generally no longer contribute regularly to wikipedia. --Falcadore (talk) 03:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Sample fast laps
Can we please do something good with this table? A random selection of fast laps from races only held in the last five years of one of the older and most famous racetracks in the world adds nothing encyclopedic to the article. Fastest laps without context are a significant statistic to individual races (and are as much if not more an achievement of driver rather than car), but not to the circuit. The universally accepted statistic for individual laps at a race track is lap record. A table of those would be more valuable to this article than a collection of fast laps. --Falcadore (talk) 03:40, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

lap records from article
There is a little by-[lay around the addition of this data

Rather than the in/out approach, it should be discussed on the talk page on what is relevant to be added to the article. — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:45, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Established lap record format can be read in the circuits infoxbox. It should be noted that qualifying has never counted towards Lap Records, and I note the table above seems to be composed of qualifying laps. It should also be noted lap records belong priarily to drivers rather than cars or teams. Here's an example for Spa-Francorchamps:

--Falcadore (talk) 15:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

 * That table started life as a list of "fastest laps", rather than official records. In that case, qualifying does count (unlike free practice), since the car has to be legal for a qualy time to be set. In any case, I have no objection for the table to be re-compiled and re-sourced, if that would make it better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.191.160.108 (talk) 00:15, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You're missing the point. Lap records (which in a century or so have never included qualifying laps) are recognised as being notable. They are constantly referred to and there is a well established criteria as to what a lap record is. A collection of fastest laps is just that, a collection of laps which you've decided by your own methods what is good and what is not. That is original research and wikipedia does not do that. --Falcadore (talk) 00:55, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think "own methods" come into it. A lap is either faster than other laps or it is not. It's not subjective. In any case, I'd say they remain until they are replaced with lap records. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.191.161.225 (talk) 19:39, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes there is. There is the accepted method and the one you have just made up. By your own admission you've excluded practice laps, but not qualifying, which is a completely new and made-up method not supported by practice. Lap records do not, and never have included qualifying laps. It is just that simple. Qualifying laps are compiled seperately as qualifying lap records and refered to as such. --Falcadore (talk) 02:23, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

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Inaccurate picture

This track map is inaccurate, even contradicted by the one in the header. The bus stop is reversed and the Source straight is curvy, for some reason. Is there a better version of this?  HarryKernow.  Talk. 21:08, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

 * As the caption says, that is the circuit as at 2004. [] Ian Dalziel (talk) 10:36, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Huh, that's really interesting. I didn't know that they updated the bus stop like that but a quick look at some lap footage confirms it.  HarryKernow.  Talk. 04:48, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Unable to find and change link to homepage
The infobox has a link to the French homepage rather than the English one. I changed in the Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps. But I can't find the link in the infofox. Can someone help? The correct English link is. Will (Talk - contribs) 07:32, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it was picking up the website from the linked Wikidata item: (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q172851) I've overridden it by adding the "website" parameter to the infobox. DH85868993 (talk) 10:33, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Kemmel
At what point did the straight to Les Combes become officially known as the "Kemmel Straight"? The track map at the top of the page uses the "Kemmel Straight" name, whereas the track layout history section refers to (what I thought) was the actual situation - that Kemmel refers to the kink to the right after Radillon, not the whole straight. The "Kemmel Straight" naming seems like one of those things that's become accepted wisdom due to it being referred to as such so frequently, whatever the official situation may be. Craig P Wilson (talk) 13:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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Corner Numbers
The official map of the circuit shows 16 corners, but the article refers to only 12. Anyone know the reason for the discrepancy? Or know how to fix it? Tbone762 22:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Lap Record
The lap record is from the race Only not practice or qualifying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.59.75.167 (talk) 20:31, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

2010 GP etc
This should mention more about the abandonment of F1 plans on the circuit. It should also illustrate the plans prior to abandonment. 76.66.200.95 (talk) 06:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

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Grand Prix Layout Length
The actual length of Fuji seems to be undetermined? Within the article itself, the length of the track is listed a 4.563 in the infobox, but in the lap records list, it is marked as 4.549.

It's unclear elsewhere online what the actual length is also. - In this WEC Article the length is listed in the infographic as .563, but in the article body as .549 - On the current WEC Website, the length is listed at .563 - On racingcircuits.info, the length is listed as .549 - Toyota Gazoo Racing lists the length as .563

It's unclear whether these sources have their own data, or are following the lead of Wikipedia, would be worth double checking with the circuit/WEC teams Adchappers27 (talk) 10:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Hockenheimring

Mistakes
This article has some mistakes; especialy in the history secion. Maybe some english native with german knowledge can compare this with the german Wikipedia article, thanks.--NSX-Racer 13:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Can you expand on what the mistakes are and I'll see what I can do — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.86.238 (talk) 18:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

The history line is partly wrong, e.g. it was not called "Kurpfalzring" from the beginning, just for some years later. The industry (especialy NSU) used the track as a test ground from the beginning AFAIK, not from 1936. Just look on the german version of the article for details - maybe some with better english knowledge than me can translate it. BTW: You may sign your posts in the future--NSX-Racer 15:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry it was me - cookies are disabled on the school comps so I couldn't log in. I'll have a look at the German one and see what I can do Jay-C — Preceding undated comment added 22:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I have now retranslated the mentioned stuff. It would be nice if an native English speaker would do some proofreading. --32X 09:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Corrected coordinates
I corrected the coordinates of the circuit. The coordinates given are for the start/finish line, taken from Google Earth. I also added an external link to the files I made with the location of the circuits that hosted the F1 World Championship since 1950. These files include a link to wikipedia article, link to layout at FIA official site or RacingCircuits.com and a virtual lap around most circuits in 2006 F1 calendar.--Ciroa 18:02, 18 September 2006 (UTC)--

2 Grand Prix
The article says that Germany was the only country that hosted 2 Grand Prix. This is incorrect, as Italy has hosted 2 for several years. I see this was changed beforehand but regardless that one of them was called the San Marino Grand Prix, it still took place in italy. - qbie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qbie (talk • contribs) 14:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Japan also hosted 2 grands prix - the Japanese GP and the Pacific GP. In the 80's the USA also held two GP's in the same year. GK1 00:43, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The contentious statement has now been removed. -- DH85868993 09:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Internal links
I added link to DTM circuits--Cheetaih (talk) 12:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Could someone explain why Google Earth still shows the old track and not the new one?
Based on what I see on screen, the copyright is 2008, suggesting the image was taken this year. Will (Talk - contribs) 09:32, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Something can be copyright a different year than the year it was created. -mattbuck (Talk) 12:40, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * there is an overlay which shows the new version of the track, but i can't find it :( -- KaragouniS : Chat  12:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * lol, finally found it. Here it is : http://www.gearthhacks.com/dlfile7467/The-New-Hockenheimring.htm -- KaragouniS : Chat  13:03, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm also curious about Google Earth's deipction of the Hockenheimring. This Wiki article says that the pre-2002 circuit was torn up (at least the portions no longer used), yet it is shown in its original form on Google maps (but without the new layout). Was the surface undone or does it remain? 97.125.109.32 (talk) 05:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Google Earth (and Maps) images for Germany are several years old mostly. They even once went to older pictures that didn't show the colour banding of newer satellite images. Lars T. (talk) 22:49, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Pre/ post- Tilke redesign images
Could someone create an image which compares (ie superimposes the layouts) of the original and the Tilke redsign? --83.255.37.170 (talk) 17:54, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm confused about this one...
So, at some point, I was in 2020 or far away from that year, and I see the "2008 Layout" was remained until 2018, then now it's until present, how the heck could this go? ChangeMyNamePlease (talk) 12:44, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

 * I'm confused by your question, the layout hasn't changed since 2002. SSSB (talk) 13:00, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:Hockenheimring