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User talk:Peter Shearan

ClockworkTroll 14:51, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi, have look at Monkton, Kent for some formatting tips. the subject should be in bold, and you need to check that links for eg Canterbury point to the correct Canterbury. The external link in [...] looks neater too. If I can help, let me know, jimfbleak 15:42, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Towns in England
Sorry for the delay in replying - the definition of town used in the list is a little broader than just places which have a town council, but in Paddock Wood's case there is no doubt - for info on its town council, see.

Incidentally, you got exactly the right procedure for leaving messages on people's talk pages, except that generally we add comments at the bottom. Hope to see you around, Warofdreams 13:57, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Categorisation
You don't need to add in a category link to an article, if a category to which it already belongs is a subcategory of that. So I just removed Category:Rail transport from both Rail transport in Great Britain and London Underground, as Category:London's railways is a subcategory of Category:Rail transport in Great Britain, which is a subcategory of Category:Rail transport. Sorry 'n' all… — OwenBlacker 20:40, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)

 * Thankyou, Owen, for pointing that out! I am a reasonable learner - with the accent on the reasonable!!! I do however find it a little frustrating that there are several articles on British rail transport, often without xreferring!!! It was particularly galling to find that, having added what I thought was information that should have been included but wasn't - and then to find that another parallel article had that but not some of the stuff in the first!!!! Part of the snag with doing a self-help encyclopaedia I suppose: E/Britannica would never have got into such a pickle!!!!!

Peter Shearan 10:12, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

NCC
I'd say the NCC lines page probably needs merging with Northern Counties Committee, which is my work anyway, though it's very stub-like. It all really depends on how much info you've got or are willing to contribute; you could go and write subpages, e.g. locomotives of the Northern Counties Committee but such pages should contain information that can't be put into the main article for lack of space/brevity. I think a top-down approach to writing articles like this is better. Once you've merged an article, redirect it, the page's history should be kept. Dunc|☺ 13:48, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Isle of Grain
The history of this article's writing is getting a little silly and I am as guilty I think, since it would have been better to have discussed the whole thing BEFORE we both keep chopping and changing it. The information I added - and which you have now deleted - was, to my mind, factual, historical information taken from an historical source (the 1801 map). Is it not still valid to have it in - perhaps given the section a heading: History of the island maybe? It does not as now written, point out that at the beginning that the whole place was simply marshland (yes you do say it later, but this is scene-setting stuff, isn't it?). There is also no mention that the place has been occupied since at least Roman times - the church has Roman tiling built into its fabric and was part of a nunnery.
 * I think that most people will in the first instance want information on the Isle today, and that its history - in as much detail as possible - would fit best in a history section, as you propose.

And you are still persisting with the completely wrong geographical fact that an island is a peninsula ... and that a village is an island!! The idea that Port Victoria was built as an alternative to Tilbury is completely wrong. I have an article in front of me (in Railway Magazine March 1933) which gives the true reason for its opening. I quote (the italics are mine): " In the late 1870's the South Eastern Railway decided to promote a line through the (Hoo) district, with a view to competing for the traffic from London to Sheerness, formerly an almost unchallenged stronghold of the London, Chatham and Dover Railway. For some years past a steamer had been running from Sheerness to Strood, whence South Eastern trains gave a connection to London. ... the journey was of some length, along the rather tortuous course of the Medway. In 1879 the South Eastern obtained an Act for a branch leaving their North Kent line at a point about (3.5 miles) from Gravesend ... to Stoke ... In the following year powers were obtained for an extension, (3.5 miles) long, to St James, in the Isle of Grain, where a deep-water pier was to be built on the Medway. A ferry was to connect the new pier with Sheerness ..."
 * The Isle is no longer an island - it is not surrounded by water! Instead, it adjoins the Hoo Peninsula at one end, making it a peninsula.  This is by no means unusual - see also the Isle of Purbeck.  The occasional terming of the village as "Isle" is indeed unusual, but I have nowhere claimed it is an island.  For another example, see Isle of Whithorn.
 * - no argument: but it doesn't make the Isle a separate peninsula, only part of the larger one, I would suggest.
 * Interesting! I'd never come across Whithorn before: linked to mainland only by a man-made causeway, so similar to Grain. There's also Isles of Harty; Oxney; Thanet in Kent; and Axholme in Lincs!!!

I quoted that at some length since it once again shows that what is now Grain village was, like many others on Hoo Peninsula, called after the name of their parish church - thus Allhallows (All Saints), Hoo St Mary, and so on. The railway was opened throughout on September 11 1882. The pier was built for passenger traffic and indeed Queen Victoria was a passenger! In his book (The Kent Village Book 1999) Alan Bignell says that she "... took a rather curious fancy to Grain as a chosen departure point for trips to Germany" and that Port Victoria (named for her after all!) "was built essentially as a railway station at the end of a line from Windsor"!! So competition with Tilbury - then a freight-only dock - wasn't the case.
 * Excellent research - I look forward to seeing your corrections and improvements to the article.
 * Thankyou - how kind!

Almost finished! There seem to be rather a lot of unwritten references - eg the names of the marshes; container port (there is a reference under Port to containers; and many others. Surely they don't all need referencing? Stoke Marshes and Stoke itself are so insignificant that they can just be included in this article.
 * I usually find it best to put in a link for any possible related topics, even if they may seem marginal. For instance, more and more village articles are being created, and I strongly suspect that at some point there will be an article on Stoke, Kent.

I know - I'm probably going to be in your black books now, but can we please discuss ... Peter Shearan 15:07, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Not at all - I'm glad of the chance to discuss it, and will copy this to Talk:Isle of Grain, where I should have explained my previous changes. Warofdreams 15:44, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I'll get around to my suggested changes soon Peter Shearan

 * There was an interesting piece in the Medway News Memories page a while back about the rail line to Port Victoria that suggested that the Prince of Wales (later Edward VIII) used it to visit a family in the Hoo/Grain area ... particularly two beautiful sisters. --Cunningham 16:20, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)Cunningham

 * Hi Peter. I'm busy mucking around with Grain, Kent / Isle of Grain, and had suggested merging the two before reading your contribs to the Talk. I still think it's right to merge, as the article on Grain village is in fact about other stuff in Grain (taken from an article on the Hoo Peninsula). But you clearly know Grain better than I (I'm from Cliffe), so it would be marvellous if you'd give us a few days to sort out the merge, and then cast your knowledgeable eye on the result... Sound OK? JackyR 23:18, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Stub
Hi Peter! I'm also new to wikipedia also. According to the wiki Stub page, if an article is less than a paragraph in length it's a Stub, but maybe there are exceptions I'm unaware of. My suggestion is to ask User:Francs2000, because he knows more about the the suject than I do. Thanks :)--[[User:Marie Rowley|Marie | Talk]] 01:34, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Southfleet
Surely, I do not know the place and sub notice may be totally unnecessary. However, even small places can have other things worth a mention - date of founding (if such can be found and verified), local history or involvement with historical events, local celebrations, etc. They would not merit their own articles (there has been lots of talk about minor things like schools in the Votes for Deletion page) but IMO should be included in the articles about the location. - Skysmith 08:02, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Thankyou: it's as well to know. Peter Shearan

Cossington
The article you have placed under Category:Villages in Kent is solely to do with the one-time megaliths found near the farm of that name (and now apparently lost!). The article says that Cossington is a "farm settlement", but the OS map 188 at TQ 761616 has no other buildings other than Cossington Fm in the area. It lies right on the M2 south of the Medway Towns conurbation.

I have therefore deleted your category reference: there are well over 400 villages in Kent without adding "settlements"!

Peter Shearan

 * Thanks, I don't know Kent at all so i was just guessing at the category from the information in the article. I've corrected the categorisation based on the new info. Joe D (t) 12:08, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * while you're there - I see that your signature block and mine differ: is there a way of getting the time/date in? and what does (UTC) mean? Like you I'm getting hooked on Wikipedia: it allows me to use my personal library in a way I never have before!!! Peter Shearan
 * For a signature with the time and date at the end, sign with 4 tilde's instead of 3 ( ~ instead of ). As for UTC the wikipedia page on it will explain far more clearly than I could. CheekyMonkey 21:32, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks Peter Shearan 06:12, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Margate
Please ignore my comments on Margate re section headings - now realise they're just fine. Sorry Cunningham

Article Licensing
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Maidstone
I've completely re-written this article, using information from a variety of sources. I should be grateful if anyone seeing gaps (eg the 2nd bridge over the river; notes on the barracks etc) could add something. Peter Shearan 21:09, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * What would you say to the possibility of the name Maidstone deriving from the Brythonic mai dun (great hill) rather than the anglo-saxon maiden (mæghtan)? --Tokle 11:11, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Maidstone might stand on a ridge rather than a hill, but seeing it from the confluence of the Len and the Medway, or from the Archbishops Palace, it does look like a hill. The place where the town centre is place is also known as Gabriel's Hill. I took the idea from Maiden Castle in Dorset, because the names sound similar, and I though I would try to question the established theory.
 * By the way, do you know the Roman name for Maidstone? Is the Anglo-Saxon version the oldest version of the name we know?--Tokle 12:42, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Would you happen to know exactly where the roman settlement was located? --Tokle 20:37, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

ukrailways.wikicites.com
I've started a new wiki at wikicities to concentrate on the history of railways in the UK. This will in time, hopefully, provide a space to greatly expand on what is available on wikipedia. For example, individual pages for locomotives, signal boxes and the like. I've picked on you as a likely contributor from looking at the edit history for the North Eastern Railway and then at your personal edit history.

At the moment I am busy seeding the wiki with pages from wikipedia, with a few minor edits, before annoucing its existance to the wider railway world. I would be interested in you views on how I can move it forward and the structure of the wiki. I'll keep an eye on this talk page, my talk page or you could email me at richard_bedwell@hotmail.com
 * I've put a comment on the page itself about your mention of the South Yorkshire Railway. I hope you have seen it? That comment pretty nearly sums up the whole of my thoughts on that subject, since almost any railway that went into the Grouping followed much the same course: from small railways incorporated by Acts of Parliament, perhaps even simply connecting two towns, which never had any rolling stock or locos of their own, but were worked from the outset by largers neighbours, and subsequently taken into their own system. It was part of the "Railway King"'s method of course.
 * It is almost a case of working backwards from the Grouping list through each one to find its roots ... always supposing that that was what you want. Peter Shearan 09:06, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ancient trackway
That was an excellent rewrite of the Ancient trackway article. gK ¿? 07:55, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Too kind!!! Peter Shearan 09:07, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Stand Watie
Hi. You left a message on my talk page about Stand Watie but I don't understand it. I made a contribution to that page in March 2004 and I don't think I've made a mod to any similar article since. Have you got the right person? DJ Clayworth 05:15, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Eynhallow
Thank you for expanding the entry, which I created some time ago. I would like to stress that I did not lift the original entry from any encyclopaedia. Rather, it was one of a variety of Orkney islands for which I created articles using information from a variety of different sources. Warofdreams 10:51, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Postal codes
Hi Peter. Thanks for your message. Hope you are well. I'd say that London post districts are notable as people tend to "think" of post codes as real areas despite the fact the boundaries are very different to the political ones for the place of the same name. Each stub could do with a good explanation of the boundaries and which towns/areas are covered by that code. Also notable places. Perhaps the location of the sorting office, any other details. Sure you could get a fair size article with a little imagination. Would tend to agree that an article about a postcode of some place out in the countryside with little going on would be difficult to write about but for the London area I think these articles have some value. Kind regards. Mrsteviec 07:13, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

U.S. regions
Peter, rather than unlinking regions on List of regions of the United States on the grounds that the terms are too generic, it would be better to create specific names for the redlinks, using the wikisyntax: Upper Valley or Northwest Region. Thanks. jengod 19:49, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)

Oxted line
You've changed the cross-references from the stations to the towns. But Sanderstead Station is not at all the same thing as Sanderstead (the station is quite a distance from the village centre). Surely in an article like this it's the stations not the towns that should be referenced. The number of articles about stations is growing, and although there may be some red links at present they will get sorted in due course. I would propose to revert to referencing stations, as has been done with some of the other articles about lines. By the way I don't particularly like the usage "Xxx railway station" instead of "Xxx station", but it seems to have become the wikipedia standard, except for multi-modal transport hubs. rossb 17:13, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

re: category:Leeds Railways
Hi - You left me a comment about a change I perhaps made to this category (lines -> raliways). Looking at the history I don't see the change you're talking about, but in any event if lines is more correct please feel free to change it back. -- Rick Block 15:01, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Guiseley railway station
Hi, I've made a comment on Talk: Guiseley railway station. Please take a look, and keep up the good work on the West Yorkshire railway pages Dupont Circle 16:53, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah well, as long as one of your ancestors was from God's Own County then we'll let you off ;) I myself escaped for 27 of my 31 years but found myself returning! Dupont Circle 17:07, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

More to follow
I noticed that another user had deleted this phrase from an article on which you were working. The reason given was that he didn't like it, but in fact there's more than that. Wikipedia articles shouldn't include any editorial comment, including phrases like the one above (or 'can anyone help with this', and the like). You can, if you want to leave a note for other editors or for yourself, using ; this won't show up in the article, but is there in the editing box.

Just thought I'd mention it. Keep up the good work! Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 11:48, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Astley Green Colliery Museum
Sorry for talking ages to reply, but you left your comment on my user page instead of my talk page, so I didn't see it until now. The original article was naturally better than the current stub, but it was in violation of copyright law so Wikipedia policy required that it was removed. Copying in text from external web sites is likely to get Wikipedia (and maybe you too) sued, so you understand that it cannot be allowed under any circuimstances. If you want to improve the article you could take the text from the site and re-write it in your own words, thus bypassing the copyright of the original page. David Johnson [ T|C ] 21:19, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Holman Fred Stephens
Hi, Peter. Though I did make a silly mistake with Major James Coldwell (because "Major" was actually his first name), I didn't make one with the Colonel. It's a naming convention that titles and ranks, eg. "Sir" or any military rank, are not included in the article title as they are not part of the person's name. I admit I've never heard of Colonel Stephens, but I see that his web site begins with the words: "The Colonel Stephens Museum recording the career of Holman Fred Stephens, Light Railway Promoter, engineer and Manager, His Family, His Railways and His Successors." However, if he's really well known as just plain Colonel Stephens, and there aren't any other Colonel Stephens that he could get confused with, you could put a redirect from that title as well as the one that now exists from Colonel H. F. Stephens. Hope this clarifies things. Deb 17:20, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Bacon's Rebellion
(I guess I should have noticed you are British before assigning you this! But, ah well, knowledge is good.) I just added some pictures to the article, and references. I've got that Stephen Sauders Webb book with me here, so I'll write up a few sentences about his radical idea. For now, all that I suggest is that you link more of the text, as it looks rather bare. Good job! --Dmcdevit 00:01, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Naming of Cross-Country Route/Services
Well it's a matter of mutual convenience really. I originally put in the NE-SW route in only as the 'Cross Country Route', because that's what I remembered it as being called (but there's a possibility of 'false memory' here - I was tempted to email Ivor Warburton (who is a college contemporary of mine) and ask... :-)). Then Chris_j_wood pointed out that all four routes through Brum could properly be characterised that way. So we invented the term 'cross country services' for all four, and I stuck MR on the Bristol-Derby-Leeds one, because that was the easiest way to characterise it (it applies to the key cross-country central section) - the full extent of the MR portion is a bit irrelant IMHO - it's always been one of the railway's major routes in terms of length and for a long time into the 60s/70s, of freight.

I won't resist you on broadening the classification out to anything that doesn't go through London, if you think that helps, but I reckon you'll lose the whole point of the classification by dilution. The Cross-Country Route (MR) (or whatever we call it) is probably in the top half-dozen railroutes in the country - (and I have a soft spot for it - I was brought up within sound of it (in Derby) and now live at the Bristol end :-))

Characterising them by the VT (ie Virgin Trains) identifiers, seems a little too particular to me - eg VT might not have the franchise for too much longer!

Let's 'make hast slowly' and see what the consensus is. Linuxlad 08:35, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The present position is a 'kludge' - I wrote the 'VT3' article, and Chris Wood (user: chris_j_wood) suggested that for consistency all the other three VT services through Birmingham should be included - so I wrote the cross-country services as a proforma, expecting he'd flesh it out (but he hasn't). Personally I'm more concerned with routes rather than services, and the NW branch from Brum is in my book just a variant on the West-Coast Mainline. (North of Leeds and South of Bristol I also lose interest - it's the crab-route across the grain of the country which interests me.)

I certainly would have thought there were more indicative names for some of the Welsh and South Coast routes you suggest. But, have a go, let's see if we can reach a reasonable consensus. Bob aka Linuxlad

Orpington Railway Station
I've added a sentence, giving the station's whereabouts in the town. I'm newish to Wikipedia, and I've been working on the Orpington page - that's where I live. I'm not sure all the train service details are quite right - there's no mention of services to Cannon Street - it looks like you know more about trains than I do - could you check, please? CarolGray 19:47, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. CarolGray 09:32, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

DAxx stubs
I assume that moving Template:PostcodeCR instead of copying it was a mistake. But it was still very careless. I hope you are aware of Deletion policy/Postal district which concluded that postal district stubs were not wanted. (But no one went round after that conclusion and deleted them.) -- RHaworth 19:46:24, 2005-08-07 (UTC)

PWJR
In case you are no longer watching Preston and Wyre Joint Railway please have a look at it. Jonjoe who, I suspect, is a schoolboy has created really stubby stubs for virtually all of the PWJR stations and I have linked to them. There are a few HTML comments of mine embedded. In particular, what were the stations on the Fleetwood branch called? I suspect the titles of all four of Jonjoe's stubs - now converted to these redirects. -- RHaworth 04:44:25, 2005-08-11 (UTC)

Bearsted
Hi Peter - you wrote: ''I'm somewhat puzzled as to why this should be have reverted to being a stub. Is there not enough information here now for it not to be so? I would be grateful to have some pointers as to what more can said about what is, after all, a relatively small part of this land of ours.''
 * A village should have at least a couple of paragraphs, if not more, before it's no longer a stub. A rule of thumb would probably be one screenfull of text. As for the stub list, it's fairly likely there'll be a separate stub list for Kent soon anyway, so it won't get lost - and in any case the UK and England stub categories are going down in size fast due to subdivision of the larger counties (in terms of the numbers of stubs). As to the article itself, there are quite a few things which could probably be easily added bys omeone in the area (which I guess you probably are) - how big is Bearsted? Population? Area? What's its history? How did it get its name? What age is the church? Is the village connected to Maidstone by public transport? Is it connected to anywhere else (my atlas shows it on the main road to Ashford and close to a major junction of the M20). It lies close to the Downs and the North Downs Way. it's close to a river, a tributary of the Medway. Leeds Castle and Stoneacre National Trust site look to be close to it, too. There's quite a bit more that could be written about it. Grutness...  wha?  23:18, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Fair enough - I understand your points. But a simple demographic is a useful addition (the main reason for the "how big" comment), even if the number of people listed is an approximate one. If there are several suggestions for how the name came about, then listing the main ones as possible explanations would be useful. As for external links, it's useful to many readers to have at least a summary of what the external link will give (the policies of Wikipedia do say that we shouldn't just use external links and leave it at that). With the ephemeral nature of websites, there is also no guarantee that any external page linked to will survive, so a short summary of the history is definitely worth considering. What's there is a good article, but these additions could still add more value to it. I'd agree that most small English villages wouldn't merit much (I wrote the one on the village where I spent my childhood, Croughton, and couldn't manage more than a couple of paragraphs), but Wikipedia's not paper, so adding more information doesn't cost us anything more if there's more than can be added. Grutness...  wha?  01:48, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Township (England)
I presume that when you say they aren't obselete, you are referring to the area committees and suchforth of various boroughs that are called informally 'townships' by the council. Are you aware of any other usage of this term? Morwen - Talk 12:35, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Ah, I find your note on the talk page. I've modified the article in accordance with research.  If you can find examples in other boroughs I'd be glad to get them in.  I've also discovered the term is in statutory usage still in Scotland - something to do with crofting. Morwen - Talk 12:51, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

London open spaces
Peter, I've added Camden and Islington open space pages with a bit of a spiel for each. I have some additional edits to do for Hackney and Haringey, particularly the latter, and must look again at Tower Hamlets. I might add a pic for each entry, later. Anyway, best if someone else checks them. I admit to some partiality in including Culpeper in Islington, because it's run by friends of mine, but I think the community garden movement is an interesting one, in any case. Maybe 3 links is a bit strong though :) Have tried to avoid redlinking, but there are at least 2 Islington spaces that deserve entries I think. Should redlink Coram's Fields, too.Tarquin Binary 17:10, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Dry valley
Perhaps the page Dry valley could be a redirect page, with the several uses of the term, with links to dry valleys of those various types, i.e. McMurdo Dry Valleys, Alkham Valley, etc. You are of course welcome to make Dry Valley redirect to such a disambiguation page as well. Tom Radulovich 17:03, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Herne Hill Railway Station
Re. Your edit of 13:21, 5 March 2005 Peter Shearan (destub - historical notes added (please! not "train station" - ugh))

Concerning Victoria/Holborn Viaduct to Orpington/West Croydon trains splitting and dividing at Herne Hill "Until Thameslink came into being"...

It may that "before" (70 yrs before) Thameslink, rather than "Until" would be more accurate... These suburban trains certainly crossed each others paths, and exchanged passengers, but I don't believe that they split/joined after Grouping (1922) and electrification (1925-30). It might be helpful if you could indicate where you got this information. Some main line trains appear to have done this before Grouping and the LCDR / SER working agreement.

I posted this in the Uk.Railway Usenet group:-

I was born and brought up in Norwood Road in a house backing on to the Herne Hill - Tulse Hill spur; my earliest memories are of 1925 - type SUBs thundering up and down; I've never ever heard of Holborn/Victoria/Orpington/W Croydon trains dividing and joining at Herne Hill...

Peter Masson replied...

Main line trains from Holborn Viaduct were severely cut in WW1, and I would assume that this is when joining/splitting at Herne Hill more or less ceased. By 1922 there were only 8 main line departures, and two of these (Ramsgate via Chatham) were diverted to run from Cannon Street in 1925, using the spurs at Chislehurst Junction which had been put in following the SE&CR working agreement.

One notable pre-WW1 example of a train splitting/joining at Herne Hill was the train from Deal which had through coaches to various Northern cities, including one to Manchester London Road, via the WLL and WCML, and another to Manchester Central, via Farringdon and the MML.

There was one example of a train splitting at Herne Hill at least as late as 1974, when the 0400 from Orpington split into Blackfriars and Victoria portions.

I suggested...

So this part of the Wikipedia entry is a bit misleading if the practice is thought to have ended as a routine thing around 1914-1918...

'''Until Thameslink came into being, trains were divided and joined at Herne Hill for the Holborn Viaduct - West Croydon and the Victoria -Orpington trains. '''

Maybe "Until Thameslink came into being" should be changed to "Before Grouping" or "At times in the past"....

82.45.8.230 12:10, 20 December 2005 (UTC)Mike Harvey

Parishes
Hi. Saw you were working on parishes. Thought you might like to have the census information for populations. If you do - go to here, click '2001 census', then 'Parish headcounts'. Lots of other interesting stuff there, too. Morwen - Talk 17:11, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Yay! Except I think you missed a spot (Westham).

 * By the way, if you want a map of modern civil parishes you can use this website Morwen - Talk 14:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

UK Geography collaboration of the month
Hi, this month's COTM is Dartmoor. I have added some suggestions to Talk:Dartmoor to get things started. Joe D (t) 01:03, 7 February 2006 (UTC) (P.S., if you don't want to continue getting COTM updates, just change your settings at WP:UK geo.)

The WP:UK geo collaboration of the month for October 2006 is Rutland. 80N 21:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC) (P.S., if you don't want to continue getting COTM updates, just change your settings at WP:UK geo.)

Allhallows
Nice expansion, but in fact there's a bit of a nightmare about that at the moment. I'd left a note on Talk:Allhallows, Kent about it, but hadn't had the oomph to do anything about it. So if you get enthusiastic... Arrgh! JackyR 18:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Replied there.JackyR 08:01, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

British railway routes / "lines"
Hi, Peter. I've posted a late follow-up to your very valid point, which I have just noticed, at Talk:North Downs Line. Is there, as far as you know, any discussion currently going on about this question of referring to lines by the commercial names of the passenger services operated (seldom exclusively) over them? My feeling is that we need articles on both services and routes -- but that we should not confuse them! -- Picapica 16:12, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Denvilles
I suspect that Denvilles railway station is something invented by user:Unisouth on the basis of inadequate "archaeology", ie. he has seen some remains at the trackside. Before I make a possible fool of myself by putting this on AfD, are you able to confirm or deny the existence of this station? -- RHaworth 16:49, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

No need to bother, I got one confirmation and have put it up to AfD. -- RHaworth 04:06, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

List of places in Kent
Hi Peter, the list of 400 seems excellent to me! However, if it is too long, the obvious solution seems a division of some kind. This could be a list of towns, and another list of villages, or else divided by areas of Kent with towns and villages in that area. As to the cut-off point, that will have to be resolved by editors, presumably based on a comparison with other county place lists for consistency. PS I have copied our talk to the article talk page. Tyrenius 14:33, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Ashford (district)
Thanks for your work, with Kent and the parishes,

Ashford (district) redirects to Ashford (borough), i've changed a number of them but the 'district' page doesn't exist unless you feel a need to create it separately from the 'borough'. Olive Oil 19:58, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

History of the London Underground
Hi there. I have recently been reading History of the London Underground, and I came across your comments on Talk:History of the London Underground, which led me to Metropolitan and Metropolitan District Railways - an article I found absolutely fascinating. The question I have concerns the history of the electrification of London Underground. I found something on this at Railway_electrification, and was wondering if you might have any corrections or additions to make, or if anything more could be added about the history of electrification, particularly whether a fourth rail was used from the beginnings? Carcharoth 18:15, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

SW trains and South Western
It says on your Userpage that you are tackling SW trains. Just to note that the franchise is due to run out February next year (2007). There is also the proposed new franchise South Western which i created an article on.

I suppose i couldn't ask you if you could review and add to the article? Simply south 19:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Great Northern Route
As described before, i created this as this is often referred to as the Great Northern franchise and incoporates many lines - particularly the Northern City Line, part of the East Coast Main Line, the Hertford Loop Line (that one is a proper line) and the London-Cambridge Line. It also follows the old route of the Grat Northern Railway as far as Peterborough.

I am till unsure whether this is a proper line but you can see the reason i created this article. Should i merge?

Also look at the First Capital Connect website.

Simply south 10:00, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

UK Railways
Sorry, I don't know what is happening at the moment. I'm currenty getting about 20 minutes a day at most on Wikipedia so I'm very much out of the loop with current goings on :(. Thryduulf 07:09, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

UKrail wikiproject Newish member
What ways am i meant to improve this? What links am i meant to add etc? Or do you think i should just continue improving rail articles? Simply south 11:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, this was not meant to clash with the above conversation.

Erm, i'm not really sure where to go. If you are interested in what i've been doing, I've been:
 * basically starting new station articles,
 * tidying links to stations in the lists,
 * working on Glasgow Subway stations and links
 * mostly unsucessfully trying to get people to work on them (I feel they should be like the LU)
 * thinking about developments around Shepherd's Bush\White City.... at least in the transport area.

I'm not really sure what i am meant to be doing on the project, or is what i'm doing fine?. Sorry i couldn't reply earlier.

Simply south 19:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject UK Railways
I think it's a case of diving in and seeing what can be done - the categories are certainly a bit of a mess. Probably worth posting something to the Project Talk page and giving it a few days before starting to make changes. I'm up for helping with it. Mtpt 13:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Ascot railway station
Hi Peter. I've just been doing some tidying up of articles about stations on the Waterloo to Reading line. Some of them were in a pretty bad way: full of mistakes, bad prose and poor linking. (I started on this entirely by accident, but you know how it is.....)

I was trying to make sense of your description of the platforms at Ascot: unfortunately I failed miserably! How many platforms are in use, and which are used by which services? --RFBailey 22:09, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I still don't think the description is correct. See my comments at Talk:Ascot railway station. Cordless Larry 19:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Early London Underground Gate stock
There is some confusion in the London Underground Gate Stock article to the different types of "Gate Stock". From my sources the term "Gate Stock" was applied to the 1906 Stock built for the Bakerloo, Piccadilly Line, and Hampstead Line. All the other stock was not referred to as "Gate Stock" despite the face they had gates.Jsp3970 00:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

 * The book that I have with details on the early stock is "Tbe trains under London: A short illustrated history of London Transport tube rolling stock" which came out in 1968. This book gives details on early stock and actually does use the term 'Gate Stock' when talking about the 1906 Yerkes tube stock, but doesn't call them 'Gate Stock' so I may change it to 1906 Stock.Jsp3970 13:15, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Just to let you know that I got a copy of the book you mentioned "Sixty years of the Piccadilly"

and it is quite an interesting little book. I want to thank you for telling me about it. ThanksJsp3970 14:39, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Fortifications in Medway
Hi again. Hope you're keeping well. I wonder if I could stereotype you dreadfully and ask you to take a look at a new topic (defences in Medway) being started by a new user over at User talk:Pratj? We could do with some additional comment, and indeed newbie guidance as the project builds up - I can't dedicate enough time to it at the moment.

So an ex-military geography teacher from Medway-ish would seem the perfect mentor! Many thanks if you're able to help, JackyR | Talk 17:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Betws
Hi Peter Thanks for the contributions to the Betws page. You question the distinction between Betws and Ammanford - when we moved here from Ammanford our neighbours came round to welcome us 'to Betws', as very distinct from Ammanford! Betws was here long before Ammanford arrived. It's a bit like saying that Greenock is west of Glasgow: No, the locals will tell you; Glasgow is east of Greenock. Ewen (living in Betws, Dad from Greenock, Mum from Kent)

Hello
Regarding the article Ash (near Sandwich) - you have edited, have you got any green idea about the origin of the name?

Eliko 23:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

CFBS
Hi, I saw your comment on the talk page for History of Rail Transport in France, and you said you had visited the Chemin de Fer de la Baie de Somme in 1996. Do you have any suitable photos that you are prepared to add to the article? Mjroots (talk) 08:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Dartford
No thats ace! There seem to be quite a few of us now, and the more people get involved the more likely our joint decisions are to be wise ones! Jdcooper (talk) 16:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Hi, when I was editing yesterday I tried not to make any substantive changes to the text, outside a couple of language simplifications, fully support all the expansion and clarification you have been doing in that regard, the article is now looking a whole lot better. In terms of the subsections, I was grouping them together by type, I don't think we should be shy about using the subsections. For example, as the paragraph structure stands now, "History" and "Health" are on level pegging, though I think for the purposes of an encyclopaedia article, the section about the history of a town should be far more emphatically highlighted than the health amenities on offer or a list of the places of worship. By virtue of that I would currently favour making Transport, Health, Education and Places of Worship subsections of a "Facilities and Amenities" section (or something like at anyway), and I would have though that the Industrial history is a natural subsection of the overall History. The Unemployment/Population sections and the Geology/Geography sections seem naturally combinable to me, since none of them are big paragraphs on their own but are clearly related. However, with all of these matters its also completely reasonable to note that as well as being a community consensus, wikipedia is also alterable at any time, so if I have pre-empted you at all, and shifted all the stuff about before you are through expanding any section or another, we can always have another look at the structure in light of new expansion.

 * I seem to have become horribly garbled over the course of that paragraph, but the basic rationale for my changes was to lump related paragraphs in together and make topics of similar importance look similarly important on the Table of Contents. Though I don't feel strongly about those changes. Long reply, sorry! Merry Christmas by the way! Jdcooper (talk) 13:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Villages, Parishes, hamlets and Kingsdown
Peter, I saw your messages at Kingsdown (hamlet) and the Kent Wikiproject - unfortunately you chose a time when I am going on a wikibreak for a week or so! I am more than happy for you to move and/or re-work Kingsdown to reflect more accurately the designation of the settlement as a village and its parish links. I must admit I always found the distinction of what was a village or a hamlet rather vague; from my school days I recall that a village needed at least a church and one or other of a pub, village green, shop or other community building/feature - but that may just have been lazy teaching! As far as the parish/village distinction goes you are quite right. I had problems in explaining to editors with regard to Wormshill that the demographic data and much of the historical content relates to the parish, not least since historical geographers were more inclined to consider the ecclesiastical influence of the parish rather than the raw settlement. Perhaps the easiest way to approach it is to consider a formula for the article's lead. That kind of discussion would be worth raising at WP:UKGEO which deals specifically with UK settlements - they were very useful when I put Wormshill together and will doubtless have considered the village/parish debate before. Best of luck and will check back in a week or so's time. Dick G (talk) 22:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Parishes again
Thank you for the comment. It is a long time ago that I made my comment, but I think it reamins valid. The anseer to the problem is probably to have a series of separate articles forming a tree. The detailed ones are then linked to the main one using a "main" template.

In England, the civil parish arose from the state imposing various duties on parishes. These had often been performed previously (if at all) by manors, but in some parts of the country the parishes were so vast that each township undertook responsibility instead of the parish. Legally, the original civil parishes (in 1890) were any place for which a rate could lawfully be levied. The problem, in a sense, is that so often the two coincide, but not always.

In repect of your desire to have a separate article on ecclesiastical parishes, I would suggest that you write an article on this with a narrowly defined scope, which you can expand. If you are writing about ecclesiastical parishes in general, you should open the previous title Ecclesiastical parish. This will redirect you to Parish, but if you click where it tells you that you have been redirected, you will be taken back to that page, which you can then edit. However, you need to do something more than merely copy the ecclesiastical section of the preent Parish article, otherwise some one will remove your work. Also consider putting up an "underconstruction" or "inuse" template, while you are working on this, to warn the officious off. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, Peter! I take your points and will give it some thought as to how best to proceed. I think that the problem lies in the fact that, very often, the one thing that the majority see is the word "village", and if the name is the same - whether it be ecclesiastical, civil or village - then that narrow idea is what gets written. The unfortunate things of course are that eg population figures refer to the CP; that there are very often villages within a CP or an EP; and that these days there are joint parishes led by a Priest-in charge. None of which make for easy comprehension!

Peter Shearan (talk) 14:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Please don't delete content
If you want to propose and discuss a merger, add the tag to the top of the current content so that those who may wish to discuss the proposal can easily see what is being proposed to be merged. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:08, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Rivers in Kent
I will respond properly tomorrow-- setting policy takes a little time.ClemRutter (talk) 23:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

River Medway
Peter, many thanks for your comments on the River Medway article. It is clear that the watermills have got to go. A section can remain in the article giving a brief overview, with a "see main article" header. To this end, I've copied all the watermills into my sandbox, and will work on the article there. I take on board a couple of your comments with regards to references, and I have a idea how to work around this so that there aren't 50+ references at the foot of the page, but it is still clear that the reference is the source. It looks like Wikipedia is getting more and more insistent on having verifiable references, which is why this particular situation has arisen.

You mention the "complicated search page" - I presume you mean the Wealden Iron Research Group's website. It is not ideal, but down to how the website is laid out. Again, I will investigate ways to overcome this problem and if I find a better way, I'll use it. Michael. Mjroots (talk) 23:30, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Peter, can you confirm I've got the "complicated search page" correct, then I won't be wasting my time by trying to fix that which doesn't need fixing. Mjroots (talk) 08:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Hi, can you take a look at the Medway watermills article and let me know what you think about my fix for 50+ refs from same source? Mjroots (talk) 15:24, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

River Len
Co-ordinates are easy, do you have a grid reference? If so, go to the River Bourne talk page, and use the link under WSG84 to get the co-ord, any trouble give me a shout! Mjroots (talk) 21:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Dover
Thanks for the comments (I moved them to the 2008 section of my talk). At the time, the Kent project was fairly active but I never worked out why no one was interested in Dover. Good luck, I will be watching too, joining in if I can MortimerCat (talk) 19:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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History of Dover
I looked the article over thoroughly before tagging it for speedy deletion. It was a word-for-word copy of this website. The short intro paragraph was the only part not taken from that site. I wasn't clear on whether you copied it from Dover or where it came from exactly, but all the text was copyvio. --L. Pistachio (talk) 07:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Turns out that external site was actually a copy of the Wiki article, not the other way around. Sorry for the confusion. --L. Pistachio (talk) 16:51, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I've restored the History of Dover page, because I can't see that there is a copyvio - see my reasons on its talk page. Happy to discuss. —S MALL JIM   10:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Meopham
Another great edit. A question though about philosophy. I am following the philosophy that an infobox is not complete without an image- I took the Meopham Green shot with the specific intention of showing the atmosphere, and generally summing up the place. I don't think it stands in the body of the text as it is unencyclopedic- not illustrating any point. What is you thinking on this point? ClemRutter (talk) 09:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't worry too much about overall appearance at this stage- there is a lot to add- and different users view at different sizes with different browsers. I left a lot of the external links- particularly to Conservation areas as they are a rich source of additional material that can be added when I/we have time- and will be useful when we address the constituent hamlets. Speak Monday, I am doing a Wikiweekendbreak in Heaton Moor. ClemRutter (talk) 10:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Royal Tunbridge Wells - use of bolding
Peter - Sorry to have upset with my terse comment, but unfortunately the size limit on edit comments doesn't really allow for much more than terseness, and I just didn't think it was a big enough issue to put a message in your talk. I've no problem with the use of italics to draw attention to a topic, but there are two problems with using bold. One is the general netiquette one that it can be seen as shouting (although to be fair your use was sparing enough to minimise the chance of that. The other is the fact that it tends to have a specific use in WP articles, in indicating alternate article titles (ie. redirects). -- Chris j wood (talk) 09:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Hastings
Hi Peter, if there is a way to track Kentem down, it's beyond my ability (I think there might be, but it's a side of admin I don't have much to do with). Looking at User talk:Kentem, s/he seems to have been creating problems with Sussex/SE England articles for some time. A major obstancle to resolution seems to be that Kentem doesn't respond to comments from other users - of his/her 1500-odd edits, only about 60 have been on talk pages, and as far as I can see they've all been new comments, never responses. This makes any mediation very tricky, to say the least. I've left a message with the Mediatioon Cabal - they may be able to offer some advice at least, as to what to do about Kentem, and with any luck might be able to do something to resolve the situation. If there's no luck there, the best thing would probably be to add a section to WP:AN/I. Grutness...wha?  23:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Low Weald
Hi Peter, I see you have made various edits to the Weald, Holmesdale etc. As someone with a mainly geological interest I tend to look on the Weald rather loosely as "the big hole in the chalk". Would you count Holmesdale as part of the 'Low Weald', or should this be restricted to the rim of Weald Clay around the High Weald? Pterre (talk) 11:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Kentem and Hastings
Just to put the record straight, it would seem to be an anonymous user who added the point about the railway tunnel, rather than Kentem/Blackwave. --rossb (talk) 19:18, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Popping in to say hello
I see your name on all the articles I edit and I have been meaning to say "Hello". My current project is Wealden, going to each Parish in turn and expanding those stubs. I have specialist knowledge of Government, and you may notice I tend to expand that section. I am also on the lookout for non-parish stubs, such as Blackboys, ready to tag with a merge template. I am still trying to find one where you haven't beaten me to it.

By the way something strange happens to your merge templates, the discussion link points to an unusual location? This is the syntax to use: and  where Article is the other page.

It was a pity about my Dover collaboration. It worked extremely well on Eastbourne, but you do need more than one person making contributions. MortimerCat (talk) 21:46, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

 * The documentation for the infobox is at Template:Infobox_UK_place. To make the map appear, all you need is to add the longitude and latitude. I like to use Multimap to find the coordinates.
 * The definition of a stub is vague. I would say once an article can be broken down into at least two sections, then the stub should be removed. You would not necessarily divide it into sections at this stage, but it does indicate that the article is expanding in different directions. When removing the stub, you should also change the project banners on the talk page to class=Start. MortimerCat (talk) 22:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

templates
The date syntax is:, but if you leave the date off it will be added by a WP:BOT.

Wealden Table
Thank you. I will be doing the same for Lewes and Rother. The Lewes one may be tricky, the statistic parishes do not quite match the electoral parishes.

Did you realise the table can be sorted by clicking on the headings. I was thinking about noting that in the text, something like "The lowest level of local government is the civil parish: the sortable table below lists the parishes within Wealden."

MortimerCat (talk) 14:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

List of people from Lewes, East Sussex
Hi Peter,

First of all I should apologise for redirecting your page within an hour of creation - normally I look through Special:Newpages from the earliest pages, which have existed for around a month, and which it is fairer to pass comment on, and didn't realise I had the wrong end of that list!

wrt Lists v Categories, it sounds like we all agree that having both Category:People from Lewes and List of people from Lewes, East Sussex is probably superfluous.

I note that 'famous people' don't have a specific section in some UK town/city Featured Articles - Bath, Somerset,Sheffield and Weymouth, though other FAs Peterborough and Stretford both have a small section.

List of people from Sheffield and List of people from Bath exist but List of people from Peterborough,List of people from Stretford and List of people from Weymouth are absent.

Category:People from Bath,Category:People from Stretford,Category:People from Sheffield,Category:People from Weymouth,Category:People from Peterborough all exist so it's all a bit of a mess! I'll leave you in peace to work on the article/category! Paulbrock (talk) 12:58, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Chichester
If you are keen I'm happy for you to merge them. I'm just not keen but then as you said many districts have lists. What about compromising and making it look a little less like a list and putting them together in lines, ie/ starting with an A etc. If you follow me. regards SuzanneKn (talk) 18:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Having considered your comments I am still not convinced of the need for change. Chichester has an unusually large number of civil parishes. If the page was well written up with sections on geography, history, transport, industry etc. it would be enough to have the link to a separate list. This is an encyclopedia, not a directory, and does not need to go into excessive detail making it less readable, when the detail can be found through links. I do not see why every district page has to be exactly the same, like town centres with the same predictable range of shops. The compromise suggested above would help.--Charles (talk) 20:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Merger between Lewes and Sussex Bonfire
I think that bonfire should play a large part in the Lewes article (perhaps under local history), but part of it could be merged or duplicated in the Sussex Bonfire article. However this article is about bonfire as a whole, so each village/town still requires a section on its own bonfires.

The discussion box in the article gives the impression that the entire 'Lewes' article should be merged into 'Sussex Bonfires', of course, this is totally inappropriate!

Many thanks: user:Charliedeacon —Preceding comment was added at 12:29, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Tilbury
Hi Peter, good work on the Tilbury/Port of Tilbury split. Minor quibble - given its huge importance relative to the rest of the town, how about a link to Port of Tilbury in the Tilbury heading paragraph - perhaps by linking the word port to this rather than to port? Pterre (talk) 09:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Tilbury
I suggested deletion since I'm not convinced that the paragraph has much or indeed anything to do with the history of Tilbury - particularly the bits about Gravesend and Northfleet. Perhaps it should be a separate section. It could be argued that the presence of the ferry made Tilbury a good choice for a railway station and that in turn the railway station made the site attractive for the docks and hence the development of the town. It's a bit tenuous though. I am unconvinced that Watling Street had any impact on the development of Tilbury. Rjm at sleepers (talk) 08:12, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

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West Malling
Peter, Thank you for your comments. You will note from the date stamp that I made some suggestion about improving the layout and content of this article well over a year ago, and although I did make some changes, not all have been made according to my list, which was in any case only a suggested startuing point. As with all things wikipedian, if you want to re-address these areas, then please feel free so to do. I am quite happy to go along with any standards and conventions pertaining to content and/or layout, and would be only too pleased to assist you in making this a better article. My original idseas was to try to encourage more information to be added to the article as, when i first started with it, there were many gaps in the article(there still are!) that with some knowledge of the area, I felt worth bringing to wider attention. I will certainly follow the links you provided. Thanks for those. Regards, Lynbarn (talk) 15:14, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Shepway
Hi Peter, The current Shepway article is pretty poor, so I can't imagine anyone having any problem with you reformatting it! I would mention that Shepway is a little different to the other districts in Kent though, as it was not completely new in 1974, being based upon the old Lathe of Shepway. Once you have made the changes to the article I will take a look and let you know whether there is anything I can add as a long-time resident and former councillor in the area. Thanks, danfolkestone (talk) 22:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Beckenham
Hi Peter, just looking at the article for Beckenham and I agree it's pretty appalling. I'm happy to take on updating the page to something better, but would appreciate some help from an experienced Wikipedian. Would you be willing to assist? Thanks. trevorboys (talk) 13:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

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Lines as names
Peter, back in 2005 you did a bunch of edits for "accuracy" like this one, that changed lede sentences from "The XXX Line is a railway..." to "The XXX Line is the name given to one of the rail services...". This is an awkward and unusual form, as the article is about the line, not the name. If the line is a service, say so. In most cases, that's not the way sources characterize them, though. Dicklyon (talk) 16:18, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

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Conrad Helfrich

Lieutenant Admiral Conrad Emil Lambert Helfrich (11 October 1886 – 20 September 1962) of the Royal Netherlands Navy was a leading Dutch naval figure of World War II. He was born in Semarang.

World War II
Helfrich was appointed overall commander of all forces in the Netherlands East Indies in October 1939. At the outbreak of the war in the Pacific he gave instructions to wage war aggressively. His small force of submarines sank more Japanese ships in the first weeks of the war than the entire British and US navies together, an exploit which earned him the nickname "Ship-a-day Helfrich". Admiral Helfrich worked tirelessly to establish co-operation with the Allied navies in the area since he knew that the Dutch could not hope to protect the Dutch East Indies by themselves.

Java Sea
When a combined command (ABDA) was finally created in January 1942, he was bypassed for the post of commander of the navy, in favour of Admiral Thomas C. Hart of the United States Navy. Helfrich's mission to defend Java at all costs clashed with Hart's desire to conserve as many naval units as possible. On 12 February 1942, Helfrich succeeded Hart as commander of the American–British–Dutch–Australian naval forces in the Pacific and immediately went on the offensive. Unfortunately, the courage of the "Striking Force" was to no avail in the face of the overwhelming superiority of the Japanese navy and after the disastrous Battle of the Java Sea, most of the ABDA ships under his command had been put out of action and ABDA itself was dismantled. Helfrich spent the remainder of the war in Ceylon preparing the return of Dutch administration to the Dutch East Indies.

Japanese surrender
In 1945, he was given command of all Dutch naval forces and promoted to lieutenant admiral. On 2 September 1945, he signed the Japanese Instrument of Surrender aboard the battleship USS Missouri (BB-63) on behalf of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

Helfrich returned to the Dutch East Indies on 1 October 1945, where he commanded the Dutch forces in the Dutch East Indies until 24 January 1946 when the post of commander of the armed forces in the East was abolished. During that time, Commander Helfrich had to deal with the Indonesian struggle for independence. He was a fierce opponent of compromising with Sukarno and, supported by Chief of the General Staff Hendrik Johan Kruls, he objected to the Linggarjati Agreement of 15 December 1946, but without effect.

He remained in command until his retirement from the navy on 1 January 1949.

He wrote his memoirs which were published in 1950 and he died in The Hague, on 20 September 1962.

Honours and awards
For his services during the World War, Helfrich received several awards. He was Commander of the Order of Orange-Nassau with Swords, Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Netherlands Lion, Honorary Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath (UK) and awarded the Silver Cross (5th grade) of the Virtuti Militari (Poland). He had also received the Expedition Cross.

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Martín Alonso Pinzón, (Palos de la Frontera, Huelva; c. 1441 – c. 1493) was a Spanish mariner, shipbuilder, navigator and explorer, oldest of the Pinzón brothers. He sailed with Christopher Columbus on his first voyage to the New World in 1492, as captain of the Pinta. His youngest brother Vicente Yáñez Pinzón was captain of the Niña, and the middle brother Francisco Martín Pinzón was maestre (first mate) of the Pinta.

The Pinzón family of Palos
The Pinzón family was among the leading families of Palos de la Frontera in the late 15th century. There are several conflicting theories about the origin of the family and of their name (see Pinzón family). His grandfather was a sailor and diver known as Martín; it is not clear whether that was a first or last name, and whether in his generation Pinzón was a surname or an epithet. His father was a sailor named Martín Pinzón; his mother was named Mayor Vicente.

Life
Born in Palos around 1441, it appears that at quite a young age Pinzón shipped out on a locally based caravel as a grumete (cabin boy). His home, now the Casa Museo de Martín Alonso Pinzón, was on the old royal road to the Monastery of La Rábida. Martín's family contracted a marriage with a resident of the locality named María Álvarez. They had five children: two boys—Arias Pérez and Juan, who participated in several expeditions to the Americas—and three girls—Mayor, Catalina, and Leonor. Leonor, the youngest, suffered frequent attacks of what was then called "gota coral" and would now be called epilepsy.

A French tradition holds that Alonso Pinzón sailed to the New World with the navigator Jean Cousin, and that together they discovered the continent in 1488, four years before Columbus. Back in Dieppe, Pinzón left Cousin in a dispute, and is claimed to have left for Spain, from where he advised Columbus on his westward sail. Pinzon is known to have displayed a remarkable confidence in guiding Columbus in his discovery of the New World. No indisputable written records remain, however, to support this early claim to discovery.

His nautical experience and his leadership remained patent in the 1508–1536 lawsuits known as the pleitos colombinos ("Columbian lawsuits"), where the witnesses indicated him as the leader of the comarca (a region comparable to a shire). He was also famous for his battles against the Portuguese in the War of the Castilian Succession. It is probable that even while in Portugal before coming to Spain, Columbus was aware of Martín Alonso, because he was known for his participation in the war, as well as for his incursions into the Afro-Atlantic waters in the wake of the Portuguese, traveling to the Canary Islands and Guinea, with their rich fisheries and the commercial possibility of trade in gold, spices, and slaves.

Preparations for the voyage of discovery
On 23 May 1492 a royal provision was read out to the residents of Palos, by which the Catholic Monarchs Isabella and Ferdinand ordered that certain residents deliver two caravels to Columbus and travel with him on his voyage that he was making "by command of Their Highnesses" ("por mandado de Sus Altezas") and that the town should respect the royal decision. The locals did not comply. The sailors of Palos had no confidence in embarking on this adventure with Columbus, who was largely unknown to them. Independent of their greater or lesser credence in his ideas, the men of Palos found it difficult to support the Genovese sailor if he was not accompanied by a mariner known and respected in the town. The venture—risky and, above all, of uncertain profit—did not present great attractions. Opposition or indifference to Columbus's project was general.

At about this time, Pinzón returned from a routine commercial voyage to Rome. The Franciscans of the Monastery of La Rábida put Columbus in touch with Pinzón. Pinzón's friend Pero Vázquez de la Frontera, a very respected old mariner in the town, also had an important influence on Pinzón deciding to support the undertaking, not only morally but also economically.

There is no record of any written agreement between Columbus and Pinzón, and the terms of any agreement are lost to history. However, we do have the writings of Fray Bartolomé de las Casas and the testimony of some witnesses. According to Fernández Duro, de las Casas says Columbus offered Pinzón equal honors in the voyage and half the profits, and Diego Pinzón Colmenero testified the same in the pleitos colombinos; Francisco Medel testified that he heard him offer Pinzón "whatever he asked for and desired".

As a strong sign of his commitment to Columbus's plan, Pinzón put up half a million ("medio cuento") maravedís in coin toward the cost of the voyage, half of the amount that had been put up by the monarchy. Thanks to his prestige as a shipowner and expert sailor and his fame throughout the Tinto-Odiel region, he was able to enlist an appropriate crew. Signing on, he dismissed the vessels that Columbus had already seized based on the royal order and also dismissed the men he had enrolled, supplying the enterprise with two caravels of his own, the Pinta and the Niña, which he knew from his own experience would be better and more suitable boats. Furthermore, he traveled through Palos, Moguer and Huelva, convincing his relatives and friends to enlist, composing of them the best crew possible. According to testimony in the pleitos colombinos, he "brought such diligence to secure and animate the people as if what were discovered were for him and his sons." Among those he recruited were Cristóbal Quintero from Palos and the Niño brothers from Moguer.

At this time, Pinzón and Columbus seemed quite close. In the pleitos colombinos, witness Alonso Gallego from Huelva remembered hearing Columbus say, "Mister Martín Alonso Pinzón, we are going on this voyage which, if we go on with it and God reveals new lands to us, I promise by the Royal Crown to treat you as a brother."

The voyage out
On 3 August 1492, the Santa María, Pinta, and Niña left Palos on their voyage of discovery. Admiral Columbus captained the flagship Santa María, Pinzón was captain of the Pinta; his middle brother Francisco was master. It was from the Pinta that Rodrigo de Triana would be the first to sight land in the Americas.

During the voyage, Pinzón demonstrated on several occasions his gifts as an expert mariner and as a leader. When the tiller of the Pinta broke en route to the Canary Islands, Columbus, who could not get close enough to help from the Santa María: "...was a bit less worried knowing that Martín Alonso Pinzón was a vigorous and ingenious person. ...he resolved the problem of the broken tiller of the Pinta and was able to continue sailing." When, between 6 and 7 October 1492 Columbus was unable to reestablish discipline among the tired and discouraged crew of the Santa María, Martín Alonso with his gift of command managed to resolve the situation. As the Hernán Pérez Mateos would testify over forty years later: "... as they did not discover land, those who went with the said Columbus wanted to mutiny and rise against him, saying they were lost, and then the said Columbus had said to Martín Alonso what was going on among these people, and what it seemed to him they ought to do; and that the said Martín Alonso Pinzón had responded to him; «Sir; hang half a dozen of them and throw them into the sea, and if you dare not, I and my brothers will get up close to them and do it, that an armada that left with the mandate of such high princes not have to return without good news.» And that he knew that with that they would regain their spirits; and the said Columbus had said; «Martin Alonso; lets make things good with these gentlemen and travel another eight days, and if in that time we don't find land, we will give another order on what we ought to do.» ..." At that time, Pinzón suggested to Columbus the change of course on 6 October 1492. This change brought the expedition to landfall on Guanahani on 12 October 1492.

These and other acts by Pinzón and by his brothers, especially Vicente, have led historians to see the brothers as "co-discoverers of America", in that without their help, support, and courage, Columbus probably could not have achieved his enterprise of discovery, at least not in that time and place. At one point during the pleitos colombinos, a royal prosecutor argued that Pinzón had played a more important role in the discovery of the Indies than Columbus himself.

Separation in the Caribbean
All evidence—the remarks in Columbus's diary, the testimony in the pleitos colombinos—is that on the outward voyage, relations between Columbus and Pinzón remained positive. Once among the Caribbean islands, that began to change.

On 21 November 1492, off the coast of Cuba, Pinzón failed to follow a direct order of Columbus to change course. He probably sailed off on his own trying to make individual discoveries and to find treasure, although Cesáreo Fernández Duro argues that the initial separation may have been accidental, a matter of missed signals. (Asensio takes Fernández Duro strongly to task for not adequately explaining the length of the separation; Fernández Duro responds that Pinzón simply continued the prior course, and if Columbus wanted, he should have had a pretty fair idea where to find him over the next several days. ) During his separate travels he discovered new land; while all of the island geography of the first voyage is open to question,    it is believed that the land was Haiti.

19th-century historian José María Asensio, at least, blamed Pinzón's absence for the fact that on 25 December, the Santa María was wrecked on a shoal; Pinzón's brother Vicente in command of the Niña played a key part in rescuing the sailors and Columbus himself. Columbus, giving up on Pinzón, began sailing homeward 4 January, leaving behind 38 men, all of whom died before Columbus's return nine months later. The Niña and Pinta sighted and rejoined one another 6 January 1493, and, after a furious argument in which according to at least one witness, Pinzón objected to the 38 men being "left so far from Spain, being so few, because they could not be provided for and would be lost", and Columbus threatened to hang Pinzón, the two ships headed together back toward Spain on 8 January.

Columbus's published diary of the voyage was heavily edited by Bartolomé de las Casas, so it is impossible to know what was actually written at the time and what was added later, but the diary launches a series of accusations against Pinzón beginning with his separation on November 21: "Wednesday, 21 November [1492] ...This day Martín Alonso Pinzón departed with the caravel Pinta, without the obedience and will of the Admiral, out of greed, he says that an Indian that the Admiral had ordered to be put in that caravel had told him where to get much gold [the Spanish here, le había de dar mucho oro, is a bit obscure, but this seems to be the sense], and so he went away without waiting, without cause of bad weather, just because he wanted to. And here the Admiral says: «He did and said many other [things] to me»."

"Tuesday, 8 January [1493] With such strong winds from the east and southeast he did not leave that day, because of which he ordered that that caravel be supplied with water and firewood and all that was necessary for the entire voyage, because although he intended to travel by ship along that whole Hispaniola coast as far as he could, but, because those he put in the caravels for commanders were brothers, to wit Martín Alonso Pinzón and Vicente Yáñez, and others who followed him with arrogance and greed estimating that everything was already theirs, not looking at the honor the Admiral had given them, they had not obeyed and did not obey his commands, before they had said and done many unmerited things against him, and this Martín Alonso left him from 21 November until 6 January without any cause or reason except disobedience, all of which the Admiral had suffered and been silent to bring a good end to his voyage, so that, to leave behind such bad company, with whom he says that it was necessary to dissimulate, although they were lawless people, and though he had to say while with them that they were good men*, because it was not the time to speak of punishment, he agreed to return and stop no more, as quickly as was possible ..."
 * * An effort to make sense of a rather obscure phrase, "y aunque tenía dice que consigo muchos hombres de bien"; possibly alternatively "and though he had to say that they had many good men with them".

Nonetheless, much of the testimony in the pleitos colombinos, as well as part of the specialized historiography and investigators, does not agree that these things happened in this manner, nor is there any accusation against Pinzón in Columbus's Letter on the First Voyage, which Columbus wrote during his return.

Return voyage and death
During the voyage back to Spain, Pinzón's ship was separated from Columbus in stormy conditions, southwest of the Azores. Pinzón arrived in Baiona in Galicia, near Vigo, 1 March 1493; Columbus reached Lisbon on March 4; he later faced problems with the Court for having touched down in Portugal out of necessity in bad weather. Pinzón, despite the bad weather and strong southerly winds, had managed to touch down on Spanish territory, not Portuguese. Believing Columbus to be lost, or trying to overcome him, he sent a letter to the King and Queen; some have argued that he claimed the glory of the great discoveries for himself, while others defend him from the charge; the letter itself is lost. In any case, he was snubbed by the court and told to only come under the command of Columbus. It is not clear whether Pinzón's letter or Columbus's from Lisbon reached court first, nor is it clear whether the failure to invite Pinzón to court resulted from Columbus's primacy of position, possible accusations by Columbus against Pinzón, or simply reports of Pinzón's illness and death.

Pinzón returned home to Palos, arriving on 15 March 1493, precisely the same day the Niña reached the voyage's starting point. Exhausted and suffering from a recurrent fever, he was taken from his ship in a stretcher. As Columbus arrived, his friends took him to a farm on the boundary between Palos and Moguer. It is possible that Martín's son, Arias Pérez Pinzón, did not bring him directly to his house in Palos in order to protect him, given that Columbus had threatened him earlier. Another possibility is that this was because Martín did not get along well with Catalina Alonso, the woman who had been living with his father since he became a widower, and with whom the father would have two illegitimate children: Francisco and Inés Pinzón. According to the testimony of Francisco Medel and Hernán Pérez Mateos, he was brought to the La Rábida Monastery, where he died; he was entombed there, as was his wish.

It has been claimed that Pinzón's recurring fever was syphilis. The theory that syphilis is of New World origin and that it was first brought back to Europe by Columbus's crew has been longstanding, and long controversial. Some recent genetic evidence restores credence to the theory. Even so, even if Pinzón contracted it on the voyage, it is extremely unlikely that it was the cause of his death. Tertiary syphilis does not normally show up for 3 to 15 years. There is also a possibility that some historians have confused Martín Alonso Pinzón with his brother Francisco, who is more plausibly (but still controversially) believed to have had this particular disease. Conversely, there is the possibility that the first outbreak of syphilis among Europeans with no immunity was much more virulent than subsequently.

Fernández Duro further writes that Pinzón's "unpardonable crime" was that he had the luck or skill to obtain more gold than Columbus.

Legacy
Along with his brother, Martín Alonso Pínzon is the namesake of Pinzón Island in the Galápagos. He was portrayed by Tchéky Karyo in 1492: Conquest of Paradise and by Robert Davi in Christopher Columbus: The Discovery, both released in 1992.

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Hollingworth family
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 * Tomas de Holinewurthe (ancient lord of Hollingworth and soldier to Sir Richard de Fitton of Bollin, Justice for Cheshire 1245)
 * John Holnewortht (ancient lord of Hollingworth served on Foreign Juries in 1287)
 * Thomas de Holynwrth the fugitive in 1286
 * John, Lord Holyngworth 'The Archer'. Served in the Macclesfield contingent in the personal bodyguard of Edward Woodstock, the Black Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester 1351.
 * Thomas de Holyngworth alias de Throntley. Served in the personal bodyguard of King Richard II as members of Cheshire's elite archers of the White Hart in 1367.
 * Hugh de Holynworth of Mottram Hall. Served in the personal bodyguard of King Richard II as members of Cheshire's elite archers of the White Hart in 1367.
 * Thomas de Holynworth the archer. Served at Carmathen Castle in Wales against Prince Owain Glyndwr in 1403.
 * Hugh de Holynworth of Mottram Old Hall, Royal Archer and Yeoman Valettus served at the Battle of Agincourt in 1415
 * Alexander de Holynworth. Served as an archer during the Welsh rebellion of 1443
 * John, Lord of Hollingworth, Man-at-Arms died in the French wars 1443
 * Thomas Hollingworth, Esquire and Royal York Herald; Herald Pursuivant Extraordinary, Rose- Blanch (1470-); Herald for York (1480–84)
 * William Hollyngworth, Archer in the Garrison of Calais 1529
 * John Hollingworth of Mottram Old Hall, slain at the Battle of Boulogn in 1546
 * Peter Holyngworth, a member of the Skinner's Company 1483 present at the Coronation of Richard III
 * Thomas Holyngworthe, Upholder for London 1482 present at the Coronation of Richard III
 * John Hollingworth the Diplomat 1552. Royal Herald for Risebank Castle at Calais, France 1554–1557 and Pursuivant Herald Blue-Mantle 1551–1559
 * William Holyngworth, a member of the Skinner's Company 1557
 * Reginald Hollyngworthe, Lieutenant in the Earl of Leicester's private household guard 1586–1588
 * Reynold Hollinworth of Stondon Massey, The King's Collector for Essex 1571 Reginald Hollingworth.jpg
 * Martin Hollingworth, Mayor of Lincoln 1560
 * Leon Hollingworth, Mayor of Lincoln 1594, 1604
 * Edward Hollingworth, Sheriff of Lincoln 1594
 * Francis Hollingworth of Stapleford representing a junior scion of Hollingworth Hall in Nottingham and Sandiacre Derbyshire in 1618
 * The Revd James Hollingworth, rector of Claypole 1622
 * Valentine Hollingsworth died 1710. Founder of the Hollingsworth family in America.
 * Higham Hollingworth died 1759. Higham was the last Hollingworth to own the Old Hall Mottram (Nether Hall) within the ancient manor of 'Little Hollingworth'
 * Admiral John Ibbetson Hollinworth Esq. Royal Navy, greatgrandson of Higham Hollingworth of the Old Hall in Mottram died 1861.
 * The Revd Joseph Hollingworth of Dale Abbey, representing a junior Derbyshire scion of the Hollingworths of Hollingworth in 1836, Memoirs of the Rev. Joseph Hollingworth
 * The Revd Arthur George Harper Hollingsworth of Stowmarket, representing the Hollingworths of Hollingworth in 1844 and author 'The history of Stowmarket'
 * The Revd Olive Hollingworth of Stalisfield representing the parent line of Hollingworths of Hollingworth in 1858
 * Captain, Robert de Hollyngworthe 6th Dragoon Guards, with which regiment he served in India. He was a Deputy-Lieutenant for the County of Cheshire, and magistrate for Hyde. He died 31 January 1865 and was the last member of the Hollingworth family to reside at Hollingworth Hall. Hollingworth of Hollingworth Arms.jpg
 * Thomas Hollingworth, 11th Australian Field Artillery Brigade, ANZAC awarded the Military Medal for bravery 1917
 * Flight Sgt Alexander Hollingworth pilot of RAF Whitley bomber Z9289. Died 6 January 1942 when his plane crashed at Hollingworth Park in Pogmoor Fields, Barnsley in Yorkshire. Alex Hollingworth belongs to a junior line of Hollingworth Hall living at Brisbane in Australia. Coincidentally, Flight Sgt Alexander Hollingworth died in the same fields owned by his family and kinsman, John Hollingworth, Gent of Tintwistle and Mottram in 1660.
 * Flight Sgt Robert Mead Hollingworth pilot of RAF Halifax bomber DT730 KN-B and brother of Flight Sgt Alex Hollingworth. Died 4 December 1943 in battle over Cloppenburg, Germany. Buried Becklingen War Cemetery, Germany. Robert Hollingworth belongs to a junior line of Hollingworth Hall living at Brisbane in Australia.
 * The Right Reverend Peter Hollingworth AC, OBE, Archbishop of Brisbane and the 23rd Governor-General of Australia Peter Hollingworth belongs to a junior line of Hollingworth Hall living at Melbourne in Australia.

Arms
The arms of Captain Robert de Hollyngworthe include both the paternal arms of the Hollingworths (top left) emblazoned with the maternal arms of the Hollingworth family. The arms include De Holynworthe arms (top left), De le Grene arms (top centre), the Haywood arms top right. The arms of a junior branch of the Davenports (bottom left), unidentified arms bottom centre and the Masci arms bottom right.

Surname
In the neighbouring manor of Ashton-under-Lynne another family used the surname of Hollinworth in 1422. The rental roll of the manor of Ashton-under-Lynne in Lancashire, records a John de Hollinworth renting a farm at 'Birchenshaw', Syssot the wife of Dycon de Hollinworth, using 'Palden Wood', Richard de Hollinsworth with the farm at 'Palden Legh' and possibly the same Richard de Hollinworth, renting tenements within the village of Ashton.

These people do not appear to have come from Hollingworth manor in Cheshire. When Hibbet-ware compiled the Ashton-under-Lynne rental roll for 1422, he notes that the family of Hollinworth documented within this rental roll, obtain their surname from the farm located at a place called the 'hollies' within Lord Ashton's manor. This is evidence of men with a single name such as John, Dycon and Richard, being given the surname 'de Hollinworth'. Families originating from Ashton-under-Lynne with the surname Hollingworth appear to be unrelated to the family of de Holynworthe of Hollingworth Hall. This example, demonstrates how the surname of Hollingworth came to be used in places other than the village of Hollingworth.

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