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Fort Smith

Fort Smith is the name of:

 * Fort Smith, Labrador, Canada, now known as North West River
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Talk:Pope Sylvester II

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False claims about study in Islamic Spain and even Morocco.

The article implies that the future Sylvester II studied in Islamic Spain and even in Morocco - he did not, the claims are nonsense.90.195.121.234 (talk) 08:25, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Astrology
A small reference to astrology should be in this article -- do you happen to know that astronomy as a science didn't even exist for another 600 years or so after his death -- astronomy and astrology were the same thing. Plus, 90 percent of the Arabic texts that he translated were concerning astrology -- the Arabs preserved astrology for the West during the so called "Dark Ages." If you don't believe me LOOK IT UP and find out for yourself!

Face the facts buddy -- just because he was a Pope and Christian doesn't mean that he didn't study and use astrology -- most every literate person did in those days! Stop white-washing history! You're being fascistic -- I'm just trying to tell the truth.

 * please sign your posts. I shouldn't even reply to this. you are right that astronomy and astrology were not clearly separated in the 10th century. The point here is that Gerbert was interested in things that in modern terminology we would clearly label as astronomy: He was not trying to tell the future from the stars, he was interested in the movement of the earth (again, in our modern terminology. in a geocentric picture, he was interested in the movement of the stars and the sun), mainly for purposes of timekeeping and the christian calendar. The church frowned upon astrological (in the modern sense) practices. astrologia in the latin texts doesn't simply translate to English astrology. If you find a reference to astrology (in the modern sense, i.e. connecting human character to the zodiac or similar) in Gerberts writings, cite it, and we will include it. with "in those days" you probably mean the 17th century, where indeed almost everybody studied astrology. Not so in the tenth century. dab 08:15, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Gerbert's writings are in Migne's Patrologia, volume 139. I have not read them all, and it is not impossible that there is a reference to a horoscope or similar. If you point to a passage that we would label "astrological", I will be happy to include it in the article. Until then, I see no evidence that Gerbert, whose interest was clearly mathematical and abstract, was involved in astrology. Also, if you don't use an account, I will assume that you are identical with the vandal that used your IP in recent days, and I will not reply to you again. dab 08:30, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Different Interlocutor
Oboy, I kinda feel for you, I'm sorry, looks like you've been fighting this for a while. I'll sign my post at least!

First off, I'm not the same guy as your anonymous slinger of "fascist", and don't like that, either. Not civilized discourse, and a common unthinking misuse of a very precise word.

Secondly, I have no particular brief for or against Popes, astrology, or this particular Pope/possible astrologer; just added the characterization from my French heritage, where it is one of those things that everybody knows.

If I've taken this long to reply, it's that it's beginning to look like that this is one of those many things out there that just ain't so.... but I'm not convinced yet. The smoke surrounding Gerbert, his tomb, his astronomical and mathematical interests (and you'll admit that's always hanging around astrology up to about 1650), just gotta have some kind of fire behind it. So I'm going to hunt for it; for the time being, I'm with you on reverting me — but that may change. — Bill 21:42, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * you are right, there are a lot of legends surrounding Gerbert, and they are missing from the article, as it stands. For example, there is the story about the puppet he was supposed to have made, I think it could speak or something. Well, we can even make a separate section, Gerbert in legend or similar. I just don't think that's on a par with what he manifestly did and wrote. He certainly did import astronomical knowledge from islamic spain. He was far ahead of the knowledge of his times, and it is no wonder that people viewed him as a magician and astrologer. The question is, did the real, historical Gerbert draw horoscopes, or even observe the planets? If there is a chapter on planetary motion in his works, I will be more ready to view him as an astrologer, because the planets are irrelevant for purposes of the calendar. But just building an astrolabe, and maybe calculating eclipses, doesn't make him an astrologer. dab 06:58, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I put Gerbert's writings on Wikisource, so you can see for yourself. I could not find the names of the planets. The word horoscopum appears, but it refers to a part of the astrolabe, with which you measure the altitude of a star, and not to an (english meaning) horoscope. dab 07:34, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Yes, all that's beginning to make sense alas, one more thing that may be biting the dust. Just like Mark Twain (was it?) says. Quite unable so far to find Gerbert/Sylvester on Wikisource though, neither among the authors nor by searching for "Gerbert", but will be looking for it: my Latin's pretty good. Yes, horoscopum frequently used for anything that sights the ascendant, much closer to the Greek. (Blast.) Best, Bill 10:59, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * um, I put a link to wikisource right in this article, under "external links" dab 16:16, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Judith Tarr wrote a historical novel about Sylvester II, titled Ars Magica. Should that get its own section? NotWillDecker  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.212.225.199 (talk) 20:08, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Pope Silvester II → Pope Sylvester II — Authoritative name per Library of Congress authorities database —SteveMcCluskey 16:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC) discuss added by Sig Pig  |SEND - OVER  06:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

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 * Support per Mr McCluskey, the Catholic Encyclopedia, and the fine folks at the Library of Congress. -- Sig Pig  |SEND - OVER 06:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support. Google Books has a preference for Sylvester over Silvester. Olessi 17:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support'. We could use more research like this at move discussions. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

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 * Add any additional comments:

I was a bit surprised by the title of this article and checked the Library of Congress authorities file. It gives the following:

HEADING: Used For/See From: Found In:
 * Sylvester II, Pope, ca. 945-1003
 * Sylvester II, Pope, d. 1003
 * Gerbert, von Aurillac, ca. 945-1003
 * Gerberto, dell’Alvernia, ca. 945-1003
 * Alvernia, Gerberto dell’, ca. 945-1003
 * Aurillac, Gerbert von, ca. 945-1003
 * Gerbert, d’Aurillac, ca. 945-1003
 * Gerbert, von Reims, ca. 945-1003
 * Reims, Gerbert von, ca. 945-1003
 * Silvestro II, Pope, ca. 945-1003
 * Silvestre II, Pope, ca. 945-1003
 * Gerbert, d’Orlhac, ca. 945-1003
 * Orlhac, Gerbert d’, ca. 945-1003
 * Gerberto, d’Aurillac, ca. 945-1003
 * Aurillac, Gerberto d’, ca. 945-1003
 * Uhlirz, M. Untersuchungen über Inhalt und Datierung der Briefe Gerberts von Aurillac ... 1957.
 * New Cath. encycl., 1981 (Sylvester II, Pope, 999-1003; secular name Gerbert, b. Aurillac, France, ca. 945; d. 1003)
 * Bacchiega, M. Silvestro II ... 1981.
 * Silvestre II (Gerbert d’Orlhac), 1998.
 * Contardi, E. Gerberto d’Aurillac, Silvestro II, 1939.

Silvester (with an i) only appears in the Italian (Silvestro) and French (Silvestre) forms; it doesn't appear in the English, in which the preferred form is Sylvester. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SteveMcCluskey (talk • contribs) 16:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Sorry I forgot to sign SteveMcCluskey 16:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 06:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

 * You may also want to investigate Pope Sylvester I and Pope Sylvester III. --Stemonitis 06:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Seville and Cordoba
Hi there. Just a small sidenote; as far as I can gather, the future pope Sylvester II studied in Cordoba and Seville, then important cities within the Caliphate of Cordoba. The Caliphate of Cordoba was not Spain- in fact, Spain was not an entity in any form back in the Xth century-, and I think it would be worth correcting somehow, whether with an explanatory sentence or by changing the term. Cheers! ;) Dr Benway 14:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Works section
I've greatly expanded the works section, adding information on the Hindu-Arabic numerals, abacus, the numeral zero and the empty column for it in the abacus, the armillary sphere and sighting tube, as well as a citation for the hydraulic powered organ (noting that it used brass tubes). I've added a bunch of new sources and inline citations. The article is not yet well-rounded, but it's off to a better start than it was before with only 3 inline citations for the entire article.-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 18:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi - the section on Gerbert as Jewish is silly. To state that some people believed that he was Jewish may be possibly accurate (though I have never run across this before in the contemporary lit) but to say that it was or is "commonly believed" is simply not true. The reasoning of trembling in his presence is more likely that he scared the piss out of people because he was smart and they thought he was a wizard. This does not necessarily necessitate his being a covert Jew, and without more evidence the claim is suspect. Again, I've never run across it before. The citation is to a non-scholarly book put out by a no-name press. You might want to investigate the claim a little more, and until you do drop it from the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.209.64.64 (talk) 13:00, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Church
The church in which the pope supposedly celebrated mass is called Santa Croce in Gerusalemme, not St. Mary's.

I doubt that Pope Sylvester I was actually a counselor to Constantine, but Gerbert may well have believed that he was.

Guastafeste (talk) 11:51, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Wizard
Nancy Marie Brown mentioned in a radio interview that about 70 years after his death, Gerbert's biography was described with some very colorful stories as an evil wizard. It would be interesting to add more coverage of that in the article; I'm sure she has some details in her book. -- Beland (talk) 16:35, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

In popular culture
The manual of style is very clear at MOS:POPCULT that when judging whether to include something in a Popular Culture section "The consensus is very clear that a secondary source is required in almost all cases. A tertiary source is even better, if available. In the rare case that a primary source is judged to be sufficient, it should be properly cited. The source(s) cited should not only establish the verifiability of the pop culture reference, but also its significance." That hasn't been done for A Discovery of Witches and it doesn't belong here. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 14:34, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

French ?
How could he possibly be Franch. France didn't even existe and he didn't even talk a French dialect ! --Lembeye (talk) 13:01, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * France certainly existed in his life-time and before. Str1977 (talk) 22:42, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

General Discussion
Has any resolution been given to the early and mid 2000s discussions? This page doesn’t seem to have been very active. NGrahamMST (talk) 16:48, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: History of Science
— Assignment last updated by K8shep (talk) 16:00, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Abacus and numerals section
I'm going to add a bit more information to the abacus and numerals section of his scholarly work, as I've found some information regarding the specific symbols used in the abacus that I think is valuable. AMCWiki1591 (talk) 17:26, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Legends Section
I plan to add a little information about the importance and effects of the legends of pope Sylvester. I have found that they had great implicative and clarifying effects on the state of science. Jachar520 (talk) 17:36, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

I plan to continue to add information about the Legend of Pope Sylvester. This time I am going to more accurately account what the legend was rather than the summary that is currently there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jachar520 (talk • contribs) 17:18, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Demographics of sexual orientation

Wrong Number ?
In the Survey mode section,the form which mentioned When face to face asked female respondents'Any same-sex experience'the answer 'yes'is 15%,but in the origin article this number as high as 85.5%... there must be a mistake. Originals:http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0147983#sec012 Supporting Information — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nero011 (talk • contribs) 13:46, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It was I who inserted that info into entry and yes, I assume it is a typo in the original article. 85% is too high a number for homosexual experience in the general population and as you can see it doesn't make sense even in the context of the article itself. The article says that only 19.2% of women admitted to a same-sex experience in the web form, despite the fact that only about 7% of women changed answers between forms. The difference between 85.5% and 19.2% is of course higher than 7% by almost 11 times.Rafe87 (talk) 15:24, 28 August 2017 (UTC).

So, Is that right to say the total proportion of either had a same-sex experience or attraction in Females is around 30-40 percent? (15.4%+15.4%) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.57.247.152 (talk • contribs)

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Demographics of Vatican City
According to a recent book, 80% of the clergy in Vatican City are homosexuals. Vatican is a sovereign country and are usually listed in these kind of surveys. As it has by several orders of magnitude the highest concentration of homosexuals in the world, this should be noted in the article. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/12/four-in-five-vatican-priests-are-gay-book-claims) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB1D:8658:9D00:A992:2066:F6A7:3A18 (talk) 12:23, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Pollution increases LGBTQ occurrence in flies
Source: https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientists-discovered-alarming-side-effect-100000446.html

SquirrelHill1971 (talk) 19:50, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Funny, I read that article just a few hours ago after it was linked somewhere else.
 * But what, if any, information are you suggesting be added to the article? RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 22:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This article (syndicated in Yahoo News from The Cool Down) and the study it’s about don’t mention anything about “LGBTQ occurrence”. Pollution isn’t turning the friggin’ flies gay, it’s hampering their ability to differentiate males and females. Anyway, even if the flies were gay, that’s not even vaguely related to the topic of this article. postleft ✍ (Arugula)  ☞ say hello!  22:26, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

2600:100C:B05B:F3DB:0:49:9E5F:D001 (talk) 22:49, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

MSM data: irrelevant and original research
I removed the following content (emphasis mine):

The rationale for the removal is that both sources have nothing to do with sexual orientation. Even the wiki text (which I boldfaced) makes this clear.

Both sources I removed are about men who have sex with men (MSM). Using primary source MSM data to suggest or imply non-hetero identification, in an article about sexual orientation, is WP:OR. Especially when the sources themselves do not even draw conclusions about sexual orientation, as no peer reviewed study ever would.

Sexual orientation is self-identified. It can't be extrapolated from data about MSM.

Data on men who have had sex with men do not make any assumption about their sexual orientation. MSM frequently do not identify as anything other than heterosexual.

Per CDC:

Per Baker and Harris (2020), emphasis mine:

This is therefore not an issue of inclusion: this data is not applicable here. It's original research. If a source is to be used to indicate sexual orientation, it should do just that. A Wikipedia editor can't extrapolate sexual orientation demographics from MSM data. When we're talking about MSM data, that includes all kinds of people who don't identify as gay.

2600:100C:B05B:F3DB:0:49:9E5F:D001 (talk) 22:20, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

2600:100C:B05B:F3DB:0:49:9E5F:D001 (talk) 22:20, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

 * A few things:
 * I wrote in the edit summary & on your talk page that you removed more than one source. I found it unclear from the edit summary why you were removing two sources. I would prefer in the future that you specify how many sources you are removing so we know exactly what you are doing.
 * You state above Using primary source MSM data to suggest or imply non-hetero identification [...] However, "Caceres et al" can hardly be construed as primary data, as its objectives include To collect and analyse published and unpublished surveillance and research data & the results section states Of 561 studies on male sexual behaviour and/or MSM population characteristics, 67 addressed prevalence of sex between men. This clearly not primary source MSM data as you allege.
 * The AIDSinfo | UNAIDSdata does not state its sources but appears to be aggregate data. As such, it would be a synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources & thus would be a secondary source as per WP:SECONDARY.
 * You do not have a case for calling it primary data. You are on more solid ground claiming irrelevance. As I do not have access to "Caceres et al", I will have to rely on others who can to ascertain whether or not it discusses orientation. Peaceray (talk) 00:51, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply, Peaceray. I concede that I misspoke when I said that these sources were primary. They synthesize data from other sources. What I really implied is that these studies are not making the interpretation of sexual orientation from their data. The main focus of Caceres et al. and the WHO source are MSM behaviors and how they relate to HIV risk. This is a far cry from sexual orientation.
 * It's well known for example that a significant number of MSM identify as heterosexual. In fact according to this source the 'majority' identify as heterosexual. Take care and thanks for the correction and your understanding. 2600:100C:B05B:F3DB:0:49:9E5F:D001 (talk) 22:49, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I restored it. The OP is conflating sexual orientation and sexual identity. The latter is a social identity, the former a psychological trait (granted, people do often use them interchangeably, but we should be better than that here and follow the precise academic literature). As a psychological trait, it is manifested in behavior, not just (or even necessarily) identity. This source, already in the article and preserved by OP, is very careful about how (among many other things) self-identification in surveys and such is not necessarily an accurate reflection of the underlying orientations. Since this article is about sexual orientation, and not just identity, statistics on sexual behavior from high quality sources are relevant here. Crossroads -talk- 23:53, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

IP editor's off-topic table and a cleanup
An IP editor keeps re-inserting a table of LGBT population estimates per country into the article. Reverting me and saying "take it to talk" is incorrect. The WP:ONUS is on the person adding the disputed content to the article.

This table is WP:OFFTOPIC because the page is "demographics of sexual orientation". The T stands for transgender, and transgender should not be confused as a 'sexual orientation'. Second, it is not clear how such a table would even be helpful. Percentages are more useful than numbers, because they actually provide a figure as a fraction of the total population. Zenomonoz (talk) 07:42, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Second comment for editors: I am doing a WP:BOLD cleanup to remove off-topic content, and poorly sourced statistics (e.g. press releases from commercial survey groups). Another set of eyes is always good. Zenomonoz (talk) 08:01, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

 * In addition to all the other problems with this table, it's mainly supported by a single source, which is an unsourced PDF from an investment firm named LGBT Capital, which is itself a subsidiary of Galileo Capital Management, which is tiny and generic enough to lack any indication of having a positive reputation for accuracy and fact-checking. As this is not even close to a reliable source this content should not be restored. Again, that's without even addressing the other issues. Grayfell (talk) 08:08, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks Grayfell, I hadn't even looked at the source – worse than I thought. Zenomonoz (talk) 08:17, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * For future reference, see Sockpuppet investigations/AlanCity20. Grayfell (talk) 08:36, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * You are severely confused. You have repeatedly accused me of being 2A02:8440:D200; yet I am not that individual. I have never interacted with you before. I also did not restore a table based on one citation, as you and Greyfell mistakenly believe. The table I restored, titled "LGBT population estimates by country" is longstanding content with multiple reliable sources, and already existed last year under the older section title "By country". You are probably going to get PBANNED if you continue this kind of bellicose editing strategy, based on your original research about what source is and isn't applicable here. 2600:100C:B0AC:4127:0:2D:E92A:5E01 (talk) 08:40, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The version you link does not include such a table, so this link appears to be a mistake. The content you have been restoring has been repeatedly restored by a previously blocked sock. Most (but not all) entries to that table used a single source duplicated multiple times. That source is very flimsy. The second most-used source was Outleadership.com. I don't accept that as a reliable source, either. If you wish to defend this content, you should do so on its merits and with better sources. Grayfell (talk) 08:55, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not mistaken. This is a direct link to the table as it existed in 2022:
 * It is based on multiple reliable citations even back in 2022. Not the lgbtcapital citation alone, which I don't dispute is not a reliable source and wouldn't have re-added if Zenomonoz hadn't deleted all the other good sources and data. 2600:100C:B0AC:4127:0:2D:E92A:5E01 (talk) 09:04, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I also agree that Outleadership is not a reliable source, either. 2600:100C:B0AC:4127:0:2D:E92A:5E01 (talk) 09:07, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * A completely different table than the one you (edit: re)introduced. It’s still questionably sourced. Most importantly, a figure that lumps transgender people into the figure is off topic as being transgender is not a sexual orientation. This page covers LGB and heterosexual demographics, not gender identity. Zenomonoz (talk) 09:17, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It is not a "completely different table", and I did not introduce any content to the table in this article as you keep hamfistedly accusing me. I restored the content you boldly removed, because a good deal of it was longstanding and reliably sourced (such as China and the United States). Stop conflating me with the French IP who kept adding LGBTcapital. 2600:100C:B0AC:4127:0:2D:E92A:5E01 (talk) 09:25, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * No. This has nothing to do with a "French IP". Yes, you did include a completely different table. You literally made this edit to include the table which primarily cites LGBTcapital (that is your IP). You are either misrepresenting your own edits or trolling. It was not "longstanding and reliably sourced" either. Zenomonoz (talk) 09:39, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * This seems unrealistically narrow. Reliable sources recognize that sexual orientation, gender identity, and sexual identity are separate but overlapping and interrelated. Sources which treat these as easily-compartmentalized tend to be less reliable for this reason. We have to follow sources and reflect the categories used by sources. Grayfell (talk) 09:33, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If we agree the major source was bad, we can agree that the table should not have been restored as-is.
 * Regarding for the shorter table, that one uses Outleadership.com. I have questions about INQUIRIES Journal, which seems like a decent undergraduate journal, but which is not in a position to publish this kind of research itself. The HuffPost source appears to be an unreliable "contributor" blog post, and it provides no indication where it found these numbers. For India, the estimated range was so broad it's basically meaningless even if the sources were legit. (Are they legit?) So on its own merits this table seems unhelpful here. The way to fix this is to find better sources. Grayfell (talk) 09:33, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * again, I did not introduce the content to the article which you are describing. The French IP did that. I restored them because you were deleting good sources along with lgbtcapital and outleadership. I am not obligated to go through your bold deletions and check which sources are good and which aren't. When I see huge deletions of longstanding content, which you hadn't justified at the talk page, I am entitled to revert. It's that simple. Open your eyes. 2600:100C:B0AC:4127:0:2D:E92A:5E01 (talk) 09:46, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Stop misrepresenting what I have said. I stated in the first message in this thread that you were "re-inserting a table". The table that you re-inserted here is not "longstanding content", it was added one week ago here by an IP editor. Stating that it is a "French IP" is irrelevant to whether or not this is a sock edit or not.
 * The table back in 2022 was different: it has different citations and was much smaller. It doesn't matter how longstanding or old content is. That is irrelevant as to whether or not it stays in an article. If something is poorly sourced (as Grayfell notes) or off topic (as I argued) it can be taken off, because we have guidelines for editing. Zenomonoz (talk) 10:04, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * it is clear from your edits here and your talk page that you are someone who is unable to realize that the rules apply to you. When you want to delete longstanding content, whether you think it is off topic or unreliably sourced, you have to achieve seek consensus at the talk page first, if you don't want to expect to be reverted. I am not a sock and I am not whoever made the French IP edit. You need to stop making that insinuation. You have repeatedly accused me of being a sock, but this goes against community guidelines (the appropriate place to do that is at SPI). 2600:100C:B0AC:4127:0:2D:E92A:5E01 (talk) 10:12, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * "You have repeatedly accused me of being a sock" – I would appreciate if you stop misrepresenting what I have said on the talk page per WP:TALKNO (unacceptable talk page behaviour). I haven't "repeatedly accused" you of being a sock. I have commented on your SPI once, Grayfell noted there is an SPI. Earlier in the thread you also claimed "You have repeatedly accused me of being 2A02:8440:D200" when I never did.
 * You haven't provided any rationale for inclusion of the table apart from "it's longstanding content", which isn't justification for keeping poorly sourced content. WP:V Articles must be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy and WP:NOR Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources. Grayfell and I agree that the citations used on both versions of the table were not good enough. Just because something was once on an article does not mean it needs to be re-included. Zenomonoz (talk) 21:49, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

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Dosso

Dosso may refer to:

Places in Niger

 * Dosso Region
 * Dosso (department)
 * Dosso, Niger, a town, capital of the Dosso département
 * Dosso Kingdom, the pre-colonial and modern ceremonial power in Dosso
 * Dosso meteorite of 1962, which fell in Dosso, Niger (see meteorite falls)

People

 * Dosso Dossi (c. 1490–1542), Italian High Renaissance painter
 * Diego Daldosso (born 1983), Italian footballer
 * Zaynab Dosso (born 1999); Italian sprinter

Court case in Pakistan

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Hiromu Arakawa

Hiromu Arakawa (荒川 弘) is a Japanese manga artist. She is best known for the manga series Fullmetal Alchemist (2001–2010), which became a hit both domestically and internationally, and was adapted into two anime television series. She is also known for Silver Spoon (2011–2019) and the manga adaptation of The Heroic Legend of Arslan novels.

Biography
Born on May 8, 1973, in Tokachi, Hokkaidō, Japan, Arakawa was born and raised on a dairy farm with three elder sisters and a younger brother. Arakawa thought about being a manga artist ever "since [she] was little" and during her school years, she would often draw on textbooks. After graduating high school, she took oil painting classes once a month for seven years while working on her family's farm. During this time, she also created dōjinshi manga with her friends and drew yonkoma for a magazine.

Arakawa moved to Tokyo in the summer of 1999. She began her career in the manga world as a Square Enix employee and assistant to Hiroyuki Etō, author of Mahōjin Guru Guru. Her own career began with the publication of Stray Dog in Square Enix's Monthly Shōnen Gangan in 1999. Stray Dog won the ninth 21st Century "Shōnen Gangan" Award. She published one chapter of Shanghai Yōmakikai in Monthly Shōnen Gangan in 2000.

In July 2001, Arakawa published the first chapter of Fullmetal Alchemist in Monthly Shōnen Gangan. The series spanned 108 chapters, with the last one published in July 2010, and the series was collected in twenty-seven volumes. Some reviewers say that the combination of Arakawa's art style and the writing in Fullmetal Alchemist contribute to its dark thematic elements. Fullmetal Alchemist has been adapted into two anime series by Bones. When they were creating the first, Arakawa assisted them in its early development. However, she was not involved in the making of the script, so the anime has a different ending from the manga, which she developed further. The series won the 49th Shogakukan Manga Award in the shōnen category in 2004. When the second anime adaptation was reaching its ending, Arakawa showed director Yasuhiro Irie her plans for the manga's ending, making both end in near dates. Most reviewers distinguish between the manga and anime, which they attribute to differences in style and subject matter. One review explains that the manga is more "emotional," whereas the anime is more whimsical. Arakawa's simple, dark style and plot choices contrast with the anime's "cartoony," colorful rendering. Reviews in general tend to ascribe the anime to children and the manga to teens and adults.

Arakawa is married with three children. She gave birth to a daughter in 2007 and had her third child in January 2014.

She is currently living in Tokyo and has published more works, including Raiden-18, Sōten no Kōmori (also known as Bat in Blue Sky), and Hero Tales. Arakawa has collaborated with the creation of Hero Tales with Studio Flag under the name of Huang Jin Zhou. In the anime adaptation of the series, Arakawa was responsible for the character designs. She has also drawn the cover from the Japanese edition of the novel The Demon's Lexicon authored by Sarah Rees Brennan.

In April 2011, Arakawa began a series called Silver Spoon in Shogakukan's Weekly Shōnen Sunday. Rather than writing another fantasy series like Fullmetal Alchemist, Arakawa wanted to challenge herself by trying a more realistic story with Silver Spoon. It quickly rose among Shogakukan's best-selling titles and an anime series by A-1 Pictures began airing in July 2013. Also in July 2013 she began her manga adaptation of Yoshiki Tanaka's The Heroic Legend of Arslan series of novels in Kodansha's Bessatsu Shōnen Magazine.

Arakawa started the manga series Daemons of the Shadow Realm in Monthly Shōnen Gangan on December 10, 2021.

Influences
Arakawa states that Suihō Tagawa, the author of Norakuro, is the "root of [her] style as an artist". She also learned composition and drawing during her time as assistant of Hiroyuki Etō. She also cites Rumiko Takahashi, Shigeru Mizuki, and Kinnikuman by Yudetamago as influences and is a fan of Mike Mignola's work. Reviewers consider Fullmetal Alchemist to have steampunk influences.

Works

 * Stray Dog (1999)
 * Shanghai Yōmakikai (上海妖魔鬼怪) (2000)
 * Fullmetal Alchemist (鋼の錬金術師) (2001–2010)
 * Raiden-18 (2005–2021)
 * Sōten no Kōmori (蒼天の蝙蝠) (2006)
 * Hero Tales (獣神演武) (2006–2010)
 * Hyakushō Kizoku (百姓貴族) (2006–present)
 * Silver Spoon (銀の匙) (2011–2019)
 * The Heroic Legend of Arslan (アルスラーン戦記) (2013–present)
 * Daemons of the Shadow Realm (黄泉のツガイ) (2021–present)

Awards

 * 1999: 9th 21st Century Enix Award for Stray Dog
 * 2003: 49th Shogakukan Manga Award, Shōnen category for Fullmetal Alchemist
 * 2011: 15th Tezuka Osamu Cultural Prize, "New Artist Prize" category.
 * 2011: 42nd Seiun Award, "Best Science Fiction Comic" category for Fullmetal Alchemist
 * 2012: 5th Manga Taishō Award for Silver Spoon
 * 2012: 58th Shogakukan Manga Award, Shōnen category for Silver Spoon

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Sadeq Mohammad Khan V

General Nawab Sir Sadiq Muhammad Khan V Abbasi (29 September 1904 – 24 May 1966) was the 12th and final Nawab (ruler) of the state of Bahawalpur from February 1907 to October 1955, and then as a titular figure until his death in 1966.

He became the Nawab on the death of his father when he was only two years old. A Council of Regency, with Sir Rahim Bakhsh as its president, ruled on his behalf until 1924.

The Nawab served as an officer with the British Indian Army, fighting in the Third Afghan War (1919) and commanding forces in the Middle East during the Second World War. By 1947, its institutions consisted of departments run by trained civil servants; there was a Ministerial Cabinet headed by a prime minister; the State Bank was the Bank of Bahawalpur, with branches outside the State, including Karachi, Lahore. There was a High Court and there were lower courts, as well as a trained police force and an army commanded by officers trained at the Royal Indian Military Academy at Dehra Doon. The Nawab had a keen interest in education, which was free till A level and the state's government provided scholarships of merit for higher education. In 1951, the Nawab donated 500 acres in Bahawalpur for the construction of Sadiq Public School. Nawab was known for his relationship with the Quaid-i-Azam (Muhammad Ali Jinnah), Founder of Pakistan.

In August 1947, on the withdrawal of British forces from the subcontinent, the Nawab decided not to accede his State at once to the new Dominion of Pakistan. However, on 3 October 1947, after some delay, he relented and became the first ruler of a princely state (Bahawalpur) to accede successfully.

As tens of thousands of Muslim refugees flooded into the state from the new India, he set up the Ameer of Bahawalpur Refugee Relief and Rehabilitation Fund to provide for their relief. In 1953, the Ameer represented Pakistan at the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II. In 1955, he signed an agreement with the governor-general of Pakistan, Malik Ghulam Muhammad, under which Bahawalpur became part of the province of West Pakistan, with effect from 14 October 1955, and the Amir received a yearly privy purse of 32 lakhs of rupees, keeping his titles. The same year, he was promoted to the rank of general in the Pakistan Army.

Early life
Sir Sadeq Muhammad Khan Abbasi was born at Derawar on 29 September 1904, the only son and heir of Haji Nawab Muhammad Bahawal Khan Abbasi V, Nawab of the state of Bahawalpur. When only two and a half, his father fell ill and died while at sea off the Aden coast, on 15 February 1907, leaving Sadeq as ruler of Bahawalpur. He was educated at Aitchison College, Lahore. At the age of 15, Sadeq fought in the Third Afghan War in 1919, was knighted in 1922 when he reached his majority and was invested with the throne two years later by the Viceroy of India, Rufus Isaacs, Lord Reading.

In 1929, he visited Egypt and was a guest of King Fuad I. Very fond of cars, he bought a Rolls-Royce Phantom car, 45WR, body by Thrupp & Maberly, one of the two Cars on display at the Cairo Show.

His last wife was Linda Sayce, a British citizen. The couple had three sons.

Ruler of Bahawalpur

The Bahawalpur State under his rule was considered to be an important sovereign state in Punjab. The Bahawalpur State had a special privilege as it was larger than some states of the present time. Its rulers also enjoyed special protocol and titles conferred by the British since 1866 as they were accorded 17 guns salute and had special access to the Viceroy of British India. Bahawalpur state also had a separate mint to cast coins for its public and the facility remained intact until 1940. The British Government established a Regency Council under the supervision of Maulvi Sir Rahim Bakhsh until the minor Nawab grew up as a young man. This council was responsible for state administration. Special attention was paid to the education and upbringing of Nawab Sadiq Muhammad Khan. He started his education at a college in Lahore and completed it in England. He had an aptitude for military affairs and achieved several military titles, conferred on him by the British Empire. The Viceroy of India, Lord Reading awarded total authority of the state administration to Nawab Sadiq Muhammad Khan (V) on 8 March 1924.

Sir Sadiq continued his military career in the British Indian Army, which he had begun as a Lieutenant in 1921; by 1932 he was a Major, by 1941 a Lieutenant-Colonel, commanding troops in the Middle East during the Second World War. Since 1933, he had also been a Member of the Chamber of Princes, and since 1940, a member of the Indian Defence Council. Promoted to major general in 1946, the following year, on 15 August 1947, Sir Sadeq was promoted to the title of Amir of Bahawalpur. He acceded to the Dominion of Pakistan a month later.

From the 1930s Sir Sadiq began regularly holidaying in England, purchasing Ardene and the surrounding woodland on the outskirts of Farnham, Surrey. During World War II, this was given over to the community and used as a children's nursery until the end of the war. He then resumed his annual holiday, moving to Selham House near Chichester in 1948.

In 1956, following the concept of Aitchison college, he laid the foundation stone of the largest school of Asia in Bahawalpur namely Sadiq Public School.

Later life and death
After the partition of India Nawab proved to be very helpful and generous to the government of Pakistan. He gave seventy million rupees to the government and the salaries of all the government departments for one month were also drawn from the treasury of Bahawalpur state. He gave his private property to the University of the Punjab, King Edward Medical College and the Mosque of Aitchison College, Lahore.

At the time of partition, all the princely states of the subcontinent were given the choice of joining Pakistan or India or remaining independent. To try to convince the Nawab to join India, Pandit Nehru went to him while he was in London and offered various incentives in this regard, but he did not accept them. On 5 October 1947, he signed an Instrument of Accession with the government of Pakistan, for Bahawalpur State to accede to Pakistan. Thus the State of Bahawalpur was the first of the states that joined Pakistan.

The main factor was the Islamic sentiments of the Muslims who were in the majority in Bahawalpur. Moreover, the Nawab and Quaid-i-Azam were close friends and they had great respect for each other, even before the creation of Pakistan. The Amir of Bahawalpur Refugee Relief and Rehabilitation Fund was instituted in 1947 for providing a central organization for the relief of refugees fleeing from the new India, and the Quaid acknowledged the valuable contribution of the Bahawalpur State for the rehabilitation of the refugees.

In 1953, Sir Sadiq represented Pakistan at the installation of Faisal II of Iraq and also at the coronation of Elizabeth II, who was also the Queen of Pakistan. In 1955, an accord was signed between Sadiq Mohammad and Governor-General Malik Ghulam Muhammad, according to which the State of Bahawalpur would become part of the province of West Pakistan and the Nawab was to receive a yearly stipend, or privy purse, of 32 lakhs of rupees and was to keep the title of Nawab and its precedence both inside and outside Pakistan.

In May 1966, Nawab Sadiq died in London, which ended his long 59 years as Nawab and Amir of Bahawalpur; his body was brought back to Bahawalpur and was buried in his family's ancestral graveyard at Derawar Fort. His eldest son Nawab Muhammad Abbas Khan Abbasi succeeded to his father's title of Nawab of Bahawalpur. Another son, Saeed-ur-Rashid Abbasi was a Federal Minister of the Government of Pakistan. Sir Sadiq's grandson Nawab Salahuddin Ahmed Abbasi currently holds the title of Nawab.

His descendants of the royal house include: his heir apparent, Nawab Brig. Muhammad Abbas Khan Abbasi (former Governor of Punjab); his grandchildren Nawab Salahuddin Ahmed Abbasi (Urdu: نواب صلاح الدین عباسی) who is a Member of Parliament in Pakistan, Prince Falahuddin Abbasi (who died in London in April 2016, from cancer), Princess Aiysha Yasmien Abbasi and Princess Safia Nausheen Abbasi.

Death
Sadeq Mohammad Khan V died in May 1966, at the age of 61.

Titles

 * 1904–1907: Nawabzada Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi, Wali Ahad Bahadur
 * 1907–1921: His Highness Rukn ud-Daula, Saif ud-Daula, Hafiz ul-Mulk, Mukhlis ud-Daula wa Muin ud-Daula, Nawab Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V Bahadur, Nusrat Jung, Nawab of Bahawalpur.
 * 1921–1922: Lieutenant His Highness Rukn ud-Daula, Saif ud-Daula, Hafiz ul-Mulk, Mukhlis ud-Daula wa Muin ud-Daula, Nawab Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V Bahadur, Nusrat Jung, Nawab of Bahawalpur
 * 1922–1924: Lieutenant His Highness Rukn ud-Daula, Saif ud-Daula, Hafiz ul-Mulk, Mukhlis ud-Daula wa Muin ud-Daula, Nawab Sir Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V Bahadur, Nusrat Jung, Nawab of Bahawalpur, KCVO
 * 1924–1929: Captain His Highness Rukn ud-Daula, Saif ud-Daula, Hafiz ul-Mulk, Mukhlis ud-Daula wa Muin ud-Daula, Nawab Sir Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V Bahadur, Nusrat Jung, Nawab of Bahawalpur, KCVO
 * 1929–1931: Captain His Highness Rukn ud-Daula, Saif ud-Daula, Hafiz ul-Mulk, Mukhlis ud-Daula wa Muin ud-Daula, Nawab Sir Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V Bahadur, Nusrat Jung, Nawab of Bahawalpur, KCSI, KCVO
 * 1931–1932: Captain His Highness Rukn ud-Daula, Saif ud-Daula, Hafiz ul-Mulk, Mukhlis ud-Daula wa Muin ud-Daula, Nawab Sir Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V Bahadur, Nusrat Jung, Nawab of Bahawalpur, GCIE, KCSI, KCVO
 * 1932–1935: Major His Highness Rukn ud-Daula, Saif ud-Daula, Hafiz ul-Mulk, Mukhlis ud-Daula wa Muin ud-Daula, Nawab Sir Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V Bahadur, Nusrat Jung, Nawab of Bahawalpur, GCIE, KCSI, KCVO
 * 1935–1941: Major His Highness Rukn ud-Daula, Saif ud-Daula, Hafiz ul-Mulk, Mukhlis ud-Daula wa Muin ud-Daula, Hajji Nawab Sir Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V Bahadur, Nusrat Jung, Nawab of Bahawalpur, GCIE, KCSI, KCVO
 * 1941–1946: Lieutenant-Colonel His Highness Rukn ud-Daula, Saif ud-Daula, Hafiz ul-Mulk, Mukhlis ud-Daula wa Muin ud-Daula, Hajji Nawab Sir Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V Bahadur, Nusrat Jung, Nawab of Bahawalpur, GCSI, GCIE, KCVO
 * 1946–1947: Major-General His Highness Rukn ud-Daula, Saif ud-Daula, Hafiz ul-Mulk, Mukhlis ud-Daula wa Muin ud-Daula, Hajji Nawab Sir Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V Bahadur, Nusrat Jung, Nawab of Bahawalpur, GCSI, GCIE, KCVO
 * 1947–1955: Major-General His Highness Rukn ud-Daula, Saif ud-Daula, Hafiz ul-Mulk, Mukhlis ud-Daula wa Muin ud-Daula, Hajji Nawab Sir Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V Bahadur, Nusrat Jung, Amir of the God-gifted Kingdom of Bahawalpur, GCSI, GCIE, KCVO
 * 1955–1959: General His Highness Rukn ud-Daula, Saif ud-Daula, Hafiz ul-Mulk, Mukhlis ud-Daula wa Muin ud-Daula, Hajji Nawab Sir Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V Bahadur, Nusrat Jung, Amir of the God-gifted Kingdom of Bahawalpur, GCSI, GCIE, KCVO
 * 1959–1966: General His Highness Rukn ud-Daula, Saif ud-Daula, Hafiz ul-Mulk, Mukhlis ud-Daula wa Muin ud-Daula, Hajji Nawab Sir Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V Bahadur, Nusrat Jung, Amir of the God-gifted Kingdom of Bahawalpur, GCSI, GCIE, KCVO, NQA

Honours
(ribbon bar, as it would look today; incomplete)

 * Delhi Durbar gold medal-1911
 * 1914–15 Star -1918
 * Victory Medal-1918
 * Indian Frontier Medal-1921
 * Prince of Wales's Visit Medal-1922
 * Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order (KCVO)-1922
 * Knight Grand Commander of the Order of the Indian Empire (GCIE)-1931
 * King George V Silver Jubilee Medal-1935
 * King George VI Coronation Medal-1937
 * Grand Cordon of the Order of the Two Rivers of the Kingdom of Iraq-1941
 * Knight Grand Commander of the Order of the Star of India (GCSI)-1941 (KCSI)-1929
 * 1939–1945 Star-1945
 * Africa Star-1945
 * Burma Star-1945
 * Italy Star-1945
 * Defence Medal-1945
 * War Medal 1939–1945-1945
 * Pakistan Independence Medal-1947
 * Grand Cordon of the Order of the Cedars of Lebanon-1947
 * King Faisal II Installation Medal of the Kingdom of Iraq-1953
 * Queen Elizabeth II Coronation Medal - 1953
 * Order of the Supreme Leader (Nishan-i-Qaid-i-Azam) 1st class of Pakistan - 1959

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