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Ryti–Ribbentrop Agreement

The Ryti–Ribbentrop letter of agreement (Ryti–Ribbentrop-sopimus) was a personal letter from President of Finland Risto Ryti to German Führer Adolf Hitler signed on 26 June 1944. It was sent during the Soviet Vyborg–Petrozavodsk Offensive, which had started on 9 June and threatened to knock Finland out of the Continuation War.

The letter was a product of a week of Finno-German negotiations, where the Germans sought a political commitment to the war, while the Finns sought increased military aid in the form of both troops and materiel. In the letter, Ryti agreed not to seek a separate peace in the war with the Soviet Union without approval from Nazi Germany. The letter was intentionally phrased by the Finns in a way where it would not bind Ryti's successors, as Finland had already contacted the Soviet Union in secret, seeking to exit the war.

During the negotiations, the Germans sent to Finland one infantry division, a brigade of assault guns, and a Luftwaffe detachment. The Finns also received significant amounts of anti-tank weaponry. Because most of the German aid either predated the agreement, or alternatively arrived too late to meaningfully contribute to the Finnish success in stabilizing the military situation, historians have questioned whether the agreement was a necessity for the Finns.

The agreement, which completely bypassed the Finnish Parliament, was criticized heavily both within Finland and internationally. In July, Germany pulled all forces out of southern Finland, and Ryti resigned on 1 August, resulting in a Finno-Soviet armistice on 2 September. As a condition for peace, Finland had to remove any remaining German forces from Lapland, resulting in the Lapland War.

Historical background

The Finnish military ties to Germany date back to World War I and the Finnish Civil War. During World War I, some 1,900 Finnish volunteers of the Jäger Movement traveled in secret to Germany where they received military training and formed the 27th Royal Prussian Jäger Battalion. The Battalion fought as part of the Imperial German Army on the Eastern Front of World War I. Following the start of the Finnish Civil War on 27 January 1918, the volunteers returned to Finland to fight on the side of the Whites. They took various roles in the White army, with some 400 jägers being promoted to officers and approximately 660 becoming non-commissioned officers. The jägers were soon joined by Imperial German forces who also took part on the side of the Whites and captured the capital Helsinki by mid-April. After the civil war, the jäger volunteers would go on to take leading roles in the post-civil war Finnish Army, which was consequently heavily influenced by a German military tradition.

Following the civil war, Germanophilic, Russophobic and anti-communist stances were prevalent especially among the ruling elites and the military leadership. These anti-communist sentiments were common even among those Finnish officers whose background was in the Russian Army. At the same time, this Germanophilia was not accompanied by keen Nazi sympathy. For example, Marshal Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim, who commanded the White forces during the Finnish Civil War and would go on to command the Finnish military during World War II, "preferred alliances with the Western Powers and the Scandinavian countries rather than with Germany."

The Finno-Soviet Winter War began on 26 November 1939, when the Soviet Union attacked Finland. The attack followed the signing of the Soviet–German Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact which in a secret appendix assigned Finland into the Soviet sphere of influence. While the international reactions to the war were strongly against the Soviet Union, the international outrage materialized in only limited support, focused on materiel rather than troops. The British and French planned for an expeditionary force in December 1939, but the plans remained "diffused" and vague to the end of the war. Similarly, the lack of German support came as a shock to many in Finland.

After the end of the Winter War in early 1940, Finnish officers began discussions with Germans about a possible future war with the Soviet Union. While historians have been unable to establish exactly what was discussed when and by whom, it is known that Hermann Göring messaged the Finnish leadership already during the Winter War, urging them to seek peace as the losses would be returned later. Later in the fall of 1940, the Finnish government allowed German troop movements to northern Norway.

Concrete negotiations for the future war between military officials began in 1941, potentially as early as January, but at the latest on 25 May 1941 in Salzburg. The Finns and the Germans agreed that Germany would take responsibility for operations in northern Finland, while the Finnish army was in charge of operations in the southeast of Finland and east of Lake Ladoga. The Finns would advance into Soviet Eastern Karelia where they would link up with German forces on the Svir. Forward elements of the German troops began arriving in Finland on 1 June, while follow-on talks continued in Helsinki to 6 June, with the Finnish army mobilizing on 10 June 1941.

Following the start of Operation Barbarossa on 22 June, the Soviet Air Force struck various targets in Finland. These included both military targets, such as airfields used by the Germans, as well as civilian targets in Helsinki and other major Finnish cities. Following the bombings, the Finnish parliament announced on 25 June that war had broken out between Finland and the Soviet Union. The Finnish Army of Karelia began offensive operations in south-eastern Finland on the night of 9–10 July 1941, with Finnish troops crossing the border soon after midnight. The Finnish forces reached Svir by 8 September, with forces of the Finnish VI corps arriving at Kuuttilahti, Lodeynoye Pole and the Svir railway station. The Finns crossed the river on 12 September, establishing a bridgehead that would eventually reach a width of 100 km and a depth of 20 km. It soon became clear, however, that the German forces would not be able to reach the Svir from the south. The Finns were hesitant to advance southwards, themselves, and the front stabilized into stationary or trench warfare.

Despite the extremely close Finno-German collaboration, Finland consistently rejected a political alliance with Germany, instead framing its actions to the Western powers as a separate, defensive war. Over the winter of 1941–42, the Finnish leadership became increasingly worried about the direction of the war. Finland, however, remained dependent on Germany for both food and military supply. Only after the collapse of the siege of Leningrad in January 1944 and the bombing of several Finnish cities did the Finns prepare for peace talks. The Germans answered these peace feelers by a weapons and grain embargo, which further increased the Finnish dependence on German aid. The situation deteriorated further when the Soviet Union launched the Vyborg–Petrozavodsk Offensive on 9 June 1944.

Negotiations

The situation had not stabilized by 17 June, and the Finns were being pushed back, especially on the Karelian Isthmus, causing increasing concern among both the Finns and the Germans. It appeared to the Germans that Finnish forces would not be able to halt the offensive on their own, and preparations were made to evacuate all German citizens from Finland. The Finnish General Headquarters, meanwhile, estimated that six to eight German divisions would be needed to defeat the Soviet offensive in addition to material aid.

This request for troops was then conveyed to German officials in Finland on 20 June. According to historian Markku Jokisipilä, the Finns would have known that such a request was unrealistic given the larger German strategic situation, and that the request was likely also intended to test whether the Germans had sufficient forces to retaliate against Finland in case it decided to seek an exit from the war. The German representative in Finland, Waldemar Erfurth, reported this request to the German High Command, who understood that the Finns also wanted closer political ties.

Hitler reacted to the Finnish request for aid by first ordering that the troops assigned to operations Tanne Ost and Tanne West, contingency plans for the capture of Suursaari and Åland from the Finns, be put on high alert. Soon after, however, he decided to send one brigade of assault guns, a division of infantry, and a detachment of aircraft to Finland as aid. He also ordered shipments of military material to be expedited. Finally, several light ships of the Kriegsmarine, including 6 submarines and the cruisers Prinz Eugen and Niobe, were ordered to the area. This help was contingent on the Finns holding the VKT-line of defense. The requested six divisions would not be available at this time.

On 21 June, the German High Command officially replied to the Finns that it was prepared to send the Finns one assault gun brigade, one detachment of aircraft, 30 assault guns, 40 Pak 40 anti-tank guns, 10,000 shots for Panzershreck anti-tank weapons, and some 85,000 rounds of artillery shells in various calibers. In turn, the Germans expected the Finns to hold the VKT-line of defenses. The situation, however, remained confused. In a phone call later that day, Erfurth was informed that the decision for sending aid had not, in fact, yet been officially made. Concurrently with these discussions, the Finnish leadership was privately discussing a need to exit the war, and decided to send out further peace feelers in secret.

Some disagreement remains over the discussions within the German leadership between 21 and 22 June. In any case, on 22 June 1944, Hitler sent his minister of foreign affairs Joachim von Ribbentrop to Helsinki. Ribbentrop was instructed to force the Finnish government to sign a political treaty with Germany in exchange for continued weapons shipments and other military aid. On the same day, the German cruisers Prinz Eugen and Admiral Hipper arrived in Helsinki, prompting Finnish concerns about the German intentions. The Finns were informed that a division from Heeresgruppe Nord had been ordered to reinforce the Finns, and that the first half of the promised assault gun brigade would arrive in Helsinki later that day. In all, the Germans could be expected to arrive at the front by 27 June.

In negotiations with the Finnish President Risto Ryti during the night of 22–23 June, Ribbentrop indicated the Germans would be able to send further help in the form of aircraft and two or three assault gun brigades, and that a further one or two divisions of infantry could be "considered." On 23 June, Ribbentrop informed Erfurth that all help, including that currently en route, was contingent on a clear, official, "confessions" to Germany and that the "theory" of a Finnish separate war was no longer acceptable to the Germans. The decision would have to be made by 25 June, when Ribbentrop was to travel to Bulgaria, and this information was conveyed to the Finnish representatives the following day.

While the Finnish political and military leadership continued discussions on how to reply to the German demands, a Soviet reply to the Finnish peace feelers arrived in Helsinki. In it, the Soviet Union demanded an official declaration, signed by both the president and the minister of foreign affairs, that the Finns truly were prepared to surrender. This caused further chaos in the Finnish leadership, who were divided about the correct steps to take.

In a meeting on 24 June, the Finnish leadership estimated that the situation on the Finnish fronts had stabilized, with Soviet forces suffering heavy casualties and transferring their focus further south. The Germans were presented with a draft of a Finnish declaration that promised the Finns would continued to fight the Soviets, albeit without reference to fighting "alongside" the Germans. This draft, however, was rejected by Ribbentrop as being too vague and non-binding. He replied with a draft letter, to be signed and sent by Ryti. A key point of the letter was a promise that the Finns would not "lay down their arms" unless in agreement with the Germans. Debate remains about whether the rest of the German military and political leadership was aware of Ribbentrop's hard line.

By 26 June, Mannerheim had been convinced that the Finns had to accept the German demands, but sought ways to make an agreement less binding. In the end, following Finno-German negotiations over some of the exact verbiage driven by the Finnish minister of foreign affairs Henrik Ramsay, it was decided that the Finnish government would completely bypass the parliament, and instead send a letter, signed personally by Ryti, which stated that no Finnish government or official authorized by Ryti would start peace negotiations without consulting with Germany. The letter had neither the official support of the Finnish government, nor was it passed through parliament. Ryti later stated that the agreement had been crafted specifically so as to not bind his successors.

Final agreement
The final text of the letter, as sent by Ryti, is as follows (Finnish on the left, English translation on the right):

Reactions and consequences

The agreement was criticized heavily both in Finland and internationally, but resulted in the renewal of German weapons shipments. The Social Democratic Party threatened to leave the government. While it did not act on the threat following internal debate, it published a statement where it denounced the letter and the idea that Finland was not in a separate defensive war. Internationally, United States severed diplomatic ties with Finland on 30 June.

Historians disagree about the necessity of the agreement. There exists a general agreement that especially the Panzerfaust and Panzerschrek anti-tank weapons were the most important part of the German aid. The weapons used to halt the Soviet offensive, however, were already in Finland by the time the agreement was signed. Some historians, such as Vesa Nenye et al., state that the German military materiel, together with support from a German infantry division, an assault gun brigade and the Luftwaffe Detachment Kuhlmey, allowed the Finns to eventually stop the Soviet offensive. These formations, however, had also been sent to Finland in the days prior to the signing of the agreement. On the other hand, their continued stay in Finland could be attributed to the agreement. Similarly, Markku Jokisipilä estimates that Finnish stockpiles of artillery shells would have lasted to the end of the year. Jokisipilä cites historian Osmo Kolehmainen, who states that the German aid had an "almost inconsequential" effect on the stabilization of the front, with the exception of the Luftwaffe detachment.

Only a few weeks later, on 12 July, the Soviet offensive was officially halted, with troops transferred further south. Soon after, Hitler decided to pull back any German presence in southern Finland. Two assault gun brigades that had been ordered to Finland were instead redirected to other sectors of the front, and on 21 July, Detachment Kuhlmey was recalled from Finland.

Finnish exit from the war

While the Soviet offensive had been halted, the Finns remained in a precarious strategic situation. They were still dependent on German food, and German forces remained in the country. At the same time, the Soviets would have no need for a negotiated peace if Finland waited until a German exit from the war. On 17 July 1944, the Soviets informed the Finns that they were prepared for peace negotiations, with the main demand being that Finland would need to change its government. As a result, on 1 August 1944, Ryti resigned the presidency and was replaced by Mannerheim on 4 August. The Germans attempted to keep the Finns involved in the war by sending Chief of the German High Command Wilhelm Keitel to Helsinki on 17 August, but Mannerheim informed Keitel he did not consider himself to be bound by Ryti's agreement.

Finno-Soviet negotiations continued until 2 September, when the Finnish parliament accepted the Soviet demands. A cease-fire was agreed to begin on 4 September, ending the war between the Finns and the Soviets. As part of the Soviet demands, the Finns were to evict any remaining German forces from Finland. Accordingly, on 2 September 1944, the Finns informed the Germans of severing all ties between the nations, and demanded that Germans leave Finland. Despite initial peaceful movements by the Germans, the situation soon deteriorated in the wake of an attempted German landing on the Finnish-held Suursaari, resulting in the Finno-German Lapland War, which ended on 27 April 1945 when the last German forces left Finnish territory.

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John Howie (biographer)

John Howie (14 November 1735 – 5 January 1793) was a Scottish biographer. His best known work was Biographia Scoticana, first published in 1775, which is often called The Scots Worthies. It deals with Christians and particularly Presbyterians especially in their strivings with church and civil authorities.

Life
John Howie was an East Renfrewshire farmer from Lochgoin, who claimed descent from an Albigensian refugee. The author was the 28th descendant in a direct line, all of whom were called John. Although he was a plain unlettered peasant, cultivating the same farm which his ancestors had occupied for ages, a natural predilection for literary pursuits induced him to take up the task of recording the lives of the martyrs and confessors of Scotland. His family home at Lochgoin Farm was a noted refuge for Covenanters, and was subject to several searches by government soldiers. The farmhouse was rebuilt in the 18th century, with the date 1187 on a lintel marking when the Howies first settled there. Several relics were kept in what has become a small museum, and in 1896 a stone obelisk was erected nearby as a monument "in memory of John Howie, author of the Scots Worthies". It now lies within the area of Whitelee Wind Farm and has track access from the visitor centre.

Works
Howie wrote Lives of the Protestant worthies of Scotland from Patrick Hamilton, the first martyr, under the title of Biographia Scoticana, first published in 1775. It became a classic of Scottish Church History and was often called The Scots Worthies. He revised and enlarged the work, 1781–5, and this edition was reissued, with notes by William McGavin, in 1827. In 1870 the Rev. William Henderson Carslaw revised Howie's text and published it, with illustrations and notes, and a short biographical introduction; and in 1876 a further illustrated edition appeared, with biographical notice compiled from statements made by Howie's relatives, and an introductory essay by Dr. Robert Buchanan.

A Collection of Lectures and Sermons by Covenanting Clergymen was issued by Howie in 1779, with an introduction by himself. He edited in 1780 Michael Shields's Faithful Contendings Display'd, an account of the Church of Scotland between 1681 and 1691. He also wrote on the Lord's Supper, patronage, and other topics, and prefaced and annotated other religious works.

The Lives in Biographia Scoticana (2nd edition)
The list below reflects the chapter order in the book. For an alphabetical list see the "Scots Worthies" template at the foot of the page.
 * Patrick Hamilton
 * George Wishart
 * Walter Mill
 * James Stuart, Earl of Moray
 * John Knox
 * George Buchanan
 * Robert Rollock
 * John Craig
 * David Black
 * John Davidson
 * William Row
 * Andrew Melville
 * Patrick Simpson
 * Andrew Duncan
 * John Scrimgeour
 * John Welch
 * Robert Boyd
 * Robert Bruce
 * Josias Welch
 * John Gordon, Viscount Kenmuir
 * Robert Cunningham
 * Alexander Henderson
 * George Gillespie
 * John M'Clellan
 * David Calderwood
 * Hugh Binning
 * Andrew Gray
 * James Durham
 * Samuel Rutherford
 * Archibald Campbell, Marquis of Argyle
 * James Guthrie
 * John Campbell, Earl of Loudon
 * Robert Baillie
 * David Dickson
 * Archibald Johnston, Lord Warriston
 * James Wood
 * William Guthrie
 * Hugh Mackail
 * John Nevay
 * John Livingston
 * John Semple
 * James Mitchell
 * William Gordon of Earlston
 * John Kid
 * John King
 * John Brown of Wamphray
 * Henry Hall of Haughhead
 * Richard Cameron
 * David Hackston of Rathillet
 * Robert Ker of Kersland
 * Donald Cargill
 * Robert Garnock
 * Robert M'Ward
 * John Paton
 * John Nisbet of Hardhill
 * Alexander Peden
 * John Blackadder
 * James Renwick
 * Alexander Moncrieff
 * Angus MacBean
 * Thomas Hog
 * Robert Fleming
 * Alexander Shields
 * John Dickson
 * Sir Robert Hamilton of Preston
 * William Veitch
 * John Balfour of Kinloch
 * Robert Traill, father
 * Robert Traill, and son

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Talk:Class A share

Merge proposal
Hmm, on second thought, perhaps A-shares, B-shares, C-shares, etc, do not need separate pages. The mutual fund topics could be covered in Mutual fund sales loads with a redirect from Mutual Fund Share class. The specific share classes like this should be disambiguation because they are used in both stocks and mutual funds. The stock topic could be covered in Stock share class. I'll make those moves when I get a chance, unless there is comment. - Taxman 14:05, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)

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Tino Caspanello

Tino Caspanello is an Italian playwright, actor, set designer, and director.

Life
Tino Caspanello was born in Pagliara, Messina province, Italy. He graduated in Scenography at the Academy of Fine Arts Pietro Vannucci in Perugia. In 1993 he founded the theatre company Teatro Pubblico Incanto. He started to write plays in 1990. In 2003 his text Mari (The sea) received the Special Prize of the Jury of Premio Riccione. In 2008 Tino Caspanello received the prize of the National Association of Theatre Critics as playwright and director.

Original plays

 * Non siamo qui
 * Luna Park
 * Ballata
 * Era ottobre
 * Bar Stella
 * Santiago x
 * Sottotraccia
 * Don't cry Joe
 * Blues
 * Orli
 * Niño
 * Kyrie
 * Agnus
 * Quadri di una rivoluzione
 * Quasi notte
 * 1 - 2 p. m.
 * 1952 a Danilo Dolci
 * Interno
 * Terre
 * Sira
 * Fragile
 * Ecce homo
 * Nta ll'aria
 * Malastrada
 * Rosa
 * Mari : Special Jury Prize, Riccione Teatro Prize for Theater 2003

Publications

 * Santa, la guerra, novel, Edizioni La Gru, Latina, Italy 2022
 * Santiago x, translated by Pietro Pizzuti, anthology Recueil Festival volume 3, ed. Les oiseaux de nuit, Bruxelles, 2021
 * SINISLAR (Orli), translated by Senem Cevher, Mitos Boyut, Istanbul, 2021
 * Bounds (Orli), translated by Haun Saussy, Laertes Books Acting Editions, USA, 2020
 * Bords (Orli), translated by Antonella Capra and Stéphane Resche, anthology Frontières, PUM Presses Universitaires du Midi, France 2020
 * Bar Stella on Hystrio magazine, n. 3 - 2020, Italy
 * Devrimden Tablolar (Quadri di una rivoluzione) and Deniz (Mari), translated by Senem Cevher and Furkan Tekbıyık, Mitos Boyut, Istanbul, 2019
 * Dy Drama, (the book contains Det (Mari) and Tablo të një revolucioni (Quadri di una rivoluzione), translated by Arben Idrizi, Qendra Multimedia, Prishtine Kosovo, 2018
 * Sottotraccia - Editoria & Spettacolo - Italy 2018 (the book contains: Sottotraccia, Orli, Blues, Niño, Don't cry Joe)
 * Salvo novel - Caracò Editore - Italy 2016
 * Polittico del silenzio - Editoria & Spettacolo - Italy 2016 (the book contains: Ecce Homo, Kyrie, Agnus)
 * Tableaux d'une révolution (Quadri di una rivoluzione), translated by Christophe Mileschi, PUM Presses Universitaires du Midi, France 2015
 * Quadri di una rivoluzione di Tino Caspanello, (the book contains: Quasi notte, Quadri di una rivoluzione, 1952 a Danilo Dolci, Terre, 1 - 2 p.m.), Editoria & Spettacolo - Italy 2013
 * Teatro di Tino Caspanello, (the book contains: Mari, Nta ll'aria, Malastrada, Rosa, Interno, Sira, Fragile), Editoria & Spettacolo, Italy 2012
 * A l'air libre (Nta ll'aria), translated by Julie Quénehen, Editions Espaces 34, France 2012
 * Mer (Mari), translated by Bruno and Frank La Brasca, Editions Espaces 34, France 2010
 * Malastrada on Hystrio magazine, n. 4 - 2010, Italy
 * Nta ll'aria in the anthology Senza Corpo, voci dalla nuova scena italiana, Minimum Fax, Italy 2009
 * Mari on Hystrio magazine, n. 2 - 2005, Italy

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Talk:Weebl and Bob

DVD
Any release dates for the DVD yet? Obviously this is a rhetorical question if the answer is no. If the answer is yes then pray include them for us --Thewayforward 11:57, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Why not try here! https://store.wobblandbob.com/list_products.php --Bail 15:31, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Image size
Would anyone object if the image of Weebl and Bob was cropped? - Evil saltine 08:31, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Doubt it. Oh. Just realised this was posted nearly 3 years ago. Oh well.NIN 19:51, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Redirect
Any thoughts about making Weebl redirect to Jonti Picking rather than Weebl and Bob, or possibly a disambiguation page? Weebl runs a website named 'Weebl's Stuff' and seems to use the alias "Weebl" around the web. Khlo 17:24, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Shouldn't Weebl Stuff be mentioned here? I mean, classics like Kenya and Magical Trevor should be mentioned alongside Weebl and Bob since they're made by the same guys and so on. I think we should leave Weebl leading to this page, but with clear disambiguation links.--The Wizard of Magicland 20:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Full Names
Weebl's full name is Weebl Chauncey, Bob's is Robert Bobertson, Monkey's is Derek and the pear's name is Hank. - 80.42.145.213
 * I know you're right about Bob, but any source for the others? I haven't noticed anything on the fansite or the forums. - Drw25 14:03, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Monkey's full name is given in the credits for "anywhere" and "anyhoo". 96T 13:25, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Monkey checks out all right, but I've removed Weebl's full name. I've tried Yahoo and Google to no avail (both spellings); if someone can find a source, please post it here. Deltabeignet 01:48, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I am almost positive that "Professor Heinz Weebl PhD" is not Weebls's full name, just a fake name he used in "Show" to make him sound like a pie expert of some sort. -DJ Nufonia
 * If you guys are talking about full names of the charactors then weebl's first & last name is Weebl Bull. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightningleakless (talk • contribs) 06:11, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Copyright notice
Why was that copyright notice added to the top of the article? It looks out of place to me. --84.193.174.134 23:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I've got to agree, it does look odd. The Soul Reaver 21:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Citing sources
Sources must be cited (WP:CITE), especially when using quotes. Use reference tags if at all possible. haz (us e r talk) 19:51, 28 June 2006

List of episodes
Is there a list of episodes on WP somewhere? Is it WP's style to do that? Nippoo 20:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Yeah. Under "See Also" on the article page it links over to List of Weebl and Bob cartoons.  Wikipedia's all about the lists. Bo-Lingua 14:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Citations Really Needed
There's a lot of ho-hummy language "most fans", "many fans". Also, why are the "notable" quotes notable? Some of them, like "Stephen Hawking's" quotes aren't that "notable." If I have to think of a quote from W&B, there are only two that jump to mind. "Pie!" and "Mmm...Pie." Let's see some citations, Spin Boy 11. Bo-Lingua 19:29, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Hairy Jam Jar
I'd like to see more about the Hairy Jam Jar, as he is my favourite character. "Sorry, I was trying to open these beans."

ndrly 12:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Quotes
I just deleted the whole of the article's "memborable quote" section. Not only are "memorable quote" sections an IMDb convention, not Wikipedia's, but they didn't add to the article at all except to identify certain things certain people found funny and that the characters have a limited and stunted vocabulary. The latter can and is expressed in the encyclopedic part of the article, though this too has a good way to go from being a fan page. BigBlueFish 17:06, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Funnier to Americans
I'm wondering if the general consensus, is that Webbl and Bob are funnier to Americans. I think it might be, because where British people are used to hearing British slang more than Americans. Since Americans aren't usually that used to British slang, alot of it sounds to them overly proper which is hilarious to them.

Like the words arse, and bum, seem funnier to Americans because Americans are used to people just plainly saying a**hole, without trying to make it sound any less offensive than it's intended to be. In a sense British insults, seem so un-insultive to Americans, that it's kind of like a kid calling someone a name, taking on a deadly serious meaning.

I don't know if this should be added to the article, or if it just goes without saying. I think it does play into alot of the appeal, that American fans find with the web show. Violet yoshi 09:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it might have something to do with the fact that Americans generally are moronic.Thisnamestaken (talk) 19:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Pianist
I read on the fan site that his name is acctually the beefs king. We should change it. -skrb

Editing
I put Dishonest Joe in the article and it was removed instantly, why? he is an actual character and it benifited the site plz change it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.110.197.151 (talk • contribs).

 * Somehow, you triggered Shadowbot (talk · contribs), an anti-linkspam bot. Probably because you are editing from an IP without an account and added an external link. To weebls-stuff. Bots, eh? :-) Seriously, don't worry about it. I've reverted the bot to restore your edit. The bot is usually very effective against advertising spam, but it's still a computer program, not a person, so some mistakes are inevitable. CaptainVindaloo t c e 13:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:WeeblandBob.png
Image:WeeblandBob.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot 04:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Mysterious Chicken
Any particular reason why this character is listed under two different catagories...with basically the same description in each one? Which one should be deleted?

CaliforniaDave 09:38, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Zoology??

 * Sounds to me like Goo-ology is a neologism of zoology, don't you think? Although the word is a lot like zoology, except it doesn't involve the actual term or study of the word. -Not a You-Tuber named, "KroboProductions" —Preceding undated comment added 16:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC).

"Wheelchair-bound"
"Wheelchair-bound" is considered derogatory usage and should not be reintroduced into the article. Please see List of disability-related terms with negative connotations before reverting this change again. --Rahaeli (talk) 14:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Why is this such a long and detailed article?
None of this information matters in any way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.0.27.240 (talk) 10:36, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

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Bajbuza

Bajbuza is a Polish coat of arms. It was used by several szlachta families in the times of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.

Notable bearers
Notable bearers of this coat of arms include:

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Ali Haider Khan

Nawab Ali Haider Khan (11 February 1896 – 30 June 1963) was a Bengali noble and politician.

Early life and family
Khan was born on 11 February 1896 to an royal Bengali Shia family known as the Nawabs of Longla based in the village of Prithimpassa in South Sylhet (then under the North-East Frontier province of the British Raj). The royal family are descended from Sakhi Salamat, a Persian nobleman from Greater Khorasan, who settled in Prithimpassa after being granted land there by the Lodi sultans of Delhi in the 15th century. Khan's father, Nawab Ali Amjad Khan, was an honorary magistrate by occupation. His mother, Syeda Fatima Banu, was the daughter of Syed Aminuddin Hasan of Narpati West Haveli in Chunarughat, Habiganj and a descendant of Syed Nasiruddin.

Career
The Assam Legislative Assembly was founded in 1937, and Khan won a seat in its first elections in the South Sylhet (East) constituency. Khan served as Assam's Minister of Agriculture in the cabinet of Sir Muhammed Saadulah. From 1942 to 1946, he was the Minister of Power and Water Development in Gopinath Bordoloi's cabinet. He was also the leader of the Independent Muslim Party. In 1945, he led his party into an alliance with Assam Congress and its coalition partners which included the likes of Bordoloi and Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed (who later became the President of India). Bordoloi considered Khan as their mainstay.

In 1950, he hosted King Mohammad Reza Pahlavi of Iran and Governor-General Khwaja Nazimuddin at his estate for four days and went hunting with them.

Personal life
In 1917, he married Nawabzadi Husna Ara Begum, the eldest child of Nawab Wasif Ali Mirza of Murshidabad. They had three children - Ali Safdar Khan, Syedunnessa Begum and Ali Sarwar Khan. He also had a son named Ali Dawar Khan.

Death
Khan died on 30 June 1963, in the village of Prithimpassa.

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Aetherometry
Hi Natalina. Sorry to see that you've gone over to the Dark Side :-) More seriously, I'd like to see the PS tag in; and I'm not sure why you've become so insistent on keeping it out. There is now a pretty fair consensus for having it in: if you ignore the anons, and the people that edit only Aeth, you're the only one who doesn't like it. William M. Connolley 09:35, 30 November 2005 (UTC).

 * I removed the tag under the impression that if we removed the tag, the aetherometrists would be appeased, peace would exist and they wouldn't be incited to add additional POV. To me, this peace has lasted considerably, until the tag was added again. I mean, the last time peace wasn't achieved they added huge lists of links to irrelevant articles and categories such as "Natural Science". -- Natalinasmpf 16:38, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeeeessss... but now you're part of the revert war. And I can't say I'm happy doing deals with these folks, even implicitly. Still it seems to be quiet now. I won't revert you over this. William M. Connolley 16:41, 30 November 2005 (UTC) (ps: moved here: easier in one place).

 * I just hope you won't think I am an ignorant supporter of questionable theories and conspiracy theorists after this. ;-) -- Natalinasmpf 16:52, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I thought you were supposed to be my sock puppet, anyway :-) William M. Connolley 18:17, 30 November 2005 (UTC).

Hi
I noticed this edit. Please abide by our policies against attacks. I know it has been a long time since it happened, but I thought I should give you some advice. Thanks : ).  ε  γκυκλοπαίδεια  *   (talk)  22:32, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Australian Anger
Hi Natalinasmpf,

Unless you do believe much in national pride, don't take the current arugements during this Van Tuong Nguyen saga too seriously - Note the fact now that there is Australian anger and you won't see too many rational additions for now, and they'll eventually go away when interest on the incident dies down (like Michael P. Fay). In case where you find your WikiStress boiling, try working on other articles in other topics of your interest. :)

- Greetings!, Mailer Diablo 15:38, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Images
I cannot open the zip file you sent me last night. Please contact me on IRC asap. :D --Phroziac. o ºO (mmmmm chocolate!) 01:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * ...nevermind. i sent that at the same time you contacted me. haha. --Phroziac . o ºO (mmmmm chocolate!) 01:10, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Communism
Hi there. Please observe the Wikipedia Three-Revert Rule on this article. You have already reverted the same change four times, please stop and discuss the changes with the user in question before reverting again.

Many Thanks. --Intimidatedtalk 16:55, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks like somebody got told. Ha. Mahalia56 04:18, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, but beware that spite isn't very conducive to the community. -- Natalinasmpf 04:23, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

More on Communism
Hi there,

I also have issues with your repeated removals of my text, and your most recent removal of a "disputed" tag. Please read the discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communism#Under_the_Comintern and respond to it. Please let's avoid an edit war. -- 24.91.136.214

Well...
Singtel IP. It's shared. Someone may get caught in the block. I'll block for 15 min. NSLE  ( T + C + CVU ) 06:57, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Done. NSLE  ( T + C + CVU ) 07:34, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Wow! Brainy!
I hope you don't think I'm being patronising, but you strike me as being one brainy wikipedian! And in one so young! ;) Camillus talk 12:53, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

-I agree Patrick 16:06, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Communism, again
Sorry, I'd gone out for dinner, so had to leave off monitoring reversions to the article. There seems to be something of a lull at the moment, but I don't think User:KDRGibby is going to become a consensus NPOV editor any time soon, and I'm concerned by his edits to Liberalism as well. Ho hum... Mattley (Chattley) 21:41, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes I had to fight to get the editors of Liberalism to relequish a very one sided POV on the page and allow the original liberal interpretation of events to remain on the page. Much in the same way the communist page now has problems with allowing information to be "leaked" where they disagree with the basic principles.

There is nothing wrong with what I've wrote, especially after the multiple revisions. At least I have made an effort as opposed to any of you. (Gibby 23:37, 11 December 2005 (UTC))

What do you mean, "leaked"? We're not trying to deny that the People's Republic of China is in fact, very much market economic like - but this is already mentioned in the article, and covered in further detailed such as History of the People's Republic of China, economy of the People's Republic of China, and the People's Republic of China article in itself. As well as state capitalism. -- Natalinasmpf 00:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

much in the same way that the Soviet Union is covered elsewhere...and so is lenninsm and maoism......... yeah (Gibby 05:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC))

Yes, but they are linked. The whole point is to explain articles in context, link them, otherwise there would be no need for separate articles. When sections get too long, we fork them off to separate pages. The idea is that general pages link to more specific pages, so the reader can read the more general material and if he or she wants to continue, can click on a link to read something mores specific - that is how articles break down. This is the general guideline to writing articles on Wikipedia. You want to express the view that China has a free market and that this is ironic. This is a valid observation, but I must state that this is not yours. This view actually has been expressed a number of times by other people and is already present on many articles, including the Communism article, concerning state capitalism, and how many "Communist states" don't actually act communistically. The main problem is that the material you want to add is too detailed, and that it is already represented in other articles. You can rest content that your view is well represented already. -- Natalinasmpf 05:57, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Free Market Communists
You have not supplied any good reasons for the deletion of that section. I have edited with each deletion to make that portion fit better with each passing day. Please see the discussion page to discuss your dislike...or more likely disagreement with the facts. Please add comments there before deletion.

Thank you,

(Gibby 08:20, 11 December 2005 (UTC))

see the fmc discussion and the NPOV discussion.

seriously, see it, discuss it, and try giving logical reasons... (Gibby 00:25, 12 December 2005 (UTC))

I already am. Please use proper Wiki etiquette, as well. -- Natalinasmpf 00:27, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

3RR
Are you aware that you are in violation of WP:3RR? ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 00:48, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

But that was merely to revert his fourth (and following) reverts - it was clear that consensus favoured a version without a huge "npov disputed" template at the top, especially since 172 et al had similarly done it. -- Natalinasmpf 00:53, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

 * That is no excuse to break the rule. I have protected the page for now, but I will be watching. ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 00:59, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * You should practice what you preach. :) Mahalia56 04:20, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * This was a totally different dispute, which was about history, not some pop culture phenomenon. -- Natalinasmpf 04:22, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

"Consensus" by whom may I ask? And how did you determine what was "consensus"? (BostonMA 02:33, 12 December 2005 (UTC))

By everyone who posted on the talk page - it was ad hoc, and if in dispute, should be been raised by someone not just by him, especially since everyone else agreed there wasn't any real problem. -- Natalinasmpf 02:33, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Clearly "everyone who posted on the talk page" did not agree with you regarding the the "npov disputed" template. In fact the opposite, if you look at the discussion page, you will see that there is a section NPOV.  To date, no serious arguement has been raised that there is no NPOV dispute. (BostonMA 14:37, 12 December 2005 (UTC))

 * I have unblocked the other editor with which you had the edit war, for fairness. BostonMA is making good proposals, that I hope you all consider. Take advantage while the article is protected, because it is not forever. I will unprotect in a few days. ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 05:44, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Regarding the narrative in the section which is now titled "Soviet Marxism". I pointed out that the narrative was filled with "original research", which lacked verificable sources.  I further cited sources which clearly cast doubt on the accuracy of that narrative.  You resonded that verifiable sources would be forthcoming.  I am still waiting. (BostonMA 14:38, 12 December 2005 (UTC))

Your new "dyoh" template
In your Template:dyoh, I wanted to fix the words "access to anyone to the total sum of human knowledge", but I can't quite see what you're trying to say. Steve Summit (talk) 19:14, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Still hoping
Hi, I'm still hoping that you will make a statement of agreement with the conflict avoidance guidelines at Resolving disputes. Adding your sig to the Proposal for moderating the edit wars on the Communism discussion page would be nice. (BostonMA 19:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC))

Hi, its me again. You were very active in deleting my edits as well as those of Gibby. I'm concerned that you have not been using the time available to discuss your concerns. I hope that you will not summarily revert other people's edits if you are not willing to use the current period to argue your positions. Can we come to some agreement about that? If not, should we seek the assistance of an outsider? Please let me know your views on this.

KDRGibby's RFC
Have you seen my 'inside view'. I think it sums up the underlying problem fairly well. KDRGibby now seems to have taken up the constant refrain "you are not using logic". This is a pretty good indication of what I mean. In this context, logical means logical from the point of view of KDRGibby. Mattley (Chattley) 23:35, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I also find the justifications offered for rejecting Gibby's edits logically incoherent. Regardless of his POV, I think there are double standards applied.  (BostonMA 18:18, 15 December 2005 (UTC))

 * I see that you suggested User:BostonMA mediate in the dispute with KDRGibby. I wonder if you might reconsider whether that is a good idea. With all due respect to the guy, he has hardly any experience of the project and is not well-versed in policy, procedures and so forth. He has also said that he finds the arguments offered by yourself, myself and 172 logically incoherent (leaving aside his suggestion that we are a Maoist cabal). Someone who cannot appreciate both sides in a dispute, and who dismisses clearly articulated objections by multiple experienced editors as logically incoherent isn't very well-placed to mediate said dispute, I would say. Mattley (Chattley) 22:09, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi, First a note for Natalinasmpf. I watch your page, and so saw this note.  Please let me know if it is inappropriate for me to respond to it here.  Hi Mattley.  I may or may not be a suitable person to mediate.  You are correct, I haven't edited pages that had any active fighting going on.  You are also right that I am still in the process of learning policy and procedures.  Yes, I did say that I find the justifications given to be logically incoherent.  No, I did not suggest that you are a Maoist cabal.  I do believe that there is a group cohesion among you, but I doubt that it is based on a common political ideology.  Whether one or more editors is Maoist I do not know, and I do not suggest that anyone is.  You suggest that I cannot appreciate both sides in a dispute.  That is quite possible.  Is there something in particular you had in mind?  I agree that the objections to various things has been clearly articulated.  That doesn't mean that I will always find them reasonable.  It may be the case that, because of your shared experiences, you have developed quite common reactions to things, and thus end up frequently agreeing on practical matters.  Then when one or another of you makes a comment which supports your common practical aims, but which may have holes in it from an outsider's perspective, you may not notice those holes.  Familiarity alters the way people communicate.  Of course this is just musing on my part, and you needn't take it seriously.  Mattley, perhaps when you cool down a bit, we can understand one another better.  I'm sure you've had better days. (BostonMA 23:10, 15 December 2005 (UTC))

 * No logic as in if you say a section should not be included because the section title only recieves 179 google hits. Then to come find out current section titles have as little as 150 google hits, but you make no effort to have those sections deleted.  That is logical inconsistancy.  Its not that hard to understand (Gibby 09:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC))

 * First, it's logical consistency. But of course, before you point this out as an ad hominem, I was just tired of you mis-spelling it. Anyhow, the situation is different. "Free trade communist" are a concept. The section titles may use multiple concepts in the same title. The google hit citation was not over use of section titles, but the prominence of concepts. Good day. -- Elle vécut heureusement toujours dorénavant  (Be eudaimonic!) 09:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Natalinasmpf, I have written a response to your recent comment on my talk page. --BostonMA 13:45, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Main page FA
I'd be happy to help. Just tell me where I should be going to copy-and-paste the good version. What section is the problem? A quote on the main page talk will be fine. Thanks. Harro5 06:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Xiangqi images.
I ran the final upload run on these images last night. I got a few errors though...

Can't open file uploads/xiangiupload/xiangqi-edcdb.PNG: No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/LWP/UserAgent.pm line427 Can't open file uploads/xiangiupload/xiangqi-elca.PNG: No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/LWP/UserAgent.pm line 427 Can't open file uploads/xiangiupload/xiangqi-elcdb.PNG: No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/LWP/UserAgent.pm line427 Can't open file uploads/xiangiupload/xiangqi-elsd.PNG: No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/LWP/UserAgent.pm line 427 ...would you confirm that all the other images are uploaded, and if these were actually supposed to exist in the first place? --Phroziac. o ºO (mmmmm chocolate!) 14:14, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Ok, you're welcome. :) --Phroziac . o ºO (mmmmm chocolate!) 14:33, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Mediation
Hi Natalinasmpf, I've taken the communism case on. I've notified KDRGibby and hopefully we can resolve this situation. If he accepts mediation, we can begin! Dan100 (Talk) 10:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Ancient Greek "Theory of Government(s)" ..
Hi Natalina—

Are you familiar with the ancient Greek Greek "Theory of Government(s)" which holds that the change in Government style is 'circular' (none of the ancients believed in "progress"— they were too impressed by the apparent cyclicity of things)? It holds that a Dictatorship will inevitably change to an Oligarchy which will change to an Aristocracy which will change to a Republic (which Plato liked best of all; not surprising, since suffrage was denied about 85% of the population in ancient Athens' so called Democracy) which will change to a Democracy which will change to Anarchy (your favorite?), but which will then change to a Dictatorship— and the cycle repeats!

normxxx 18:37, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I have come across it, although I had thought of it before actually reading about it. However, I tend to think the current catch-22 system of repression is slowly taking over, which is of course, a bad thing. -- Natalinasmpf 00:45, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

 * >However, I tend to think the current catch-22 system of repression is slowly taking over, which is of course, a bad thing.< I think you may be right, but only because we have had a (brief?), but explosive, flowering of Democracy, which is not really such a nice form of Government (it tends to reduce things to the Most Common denominator— and to Hell with tomorrow!), which may yet continue for some time yet (even the Singapore government has 'adopted' some 60 of 70+ 'suggestions' on 'easing' the Autocracy).  In my old age, I am in favor of a merit-based Republic (shades of Plato).  Oh well; maybe Winston Churchill had it right when he said that Democracy is the worst form of Government— except for the alternatives!  normxxx 00:15, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I generally find bashing the masses to be a tad cliché. Ideally, there should be nothing wrong with the lowest common denominator - however, there is a catch 22 that encourages ignorance of the masses, which means they are oblivious to insidious takeovers such as plutocracy. Which means bad education policy (because the people at the top favor ignorance for the masses). Which means they still stay ignorant. Breaking this catch-22 would reverse this somewhat. I actually dislike Plato, although I can agree with Socrates and Aristotle. After all, every individual has the right to voice his or her opinion to directly change the government through direct voting (as an anarchist, I am afraid I favor direct democracy over representative), after all, they are individuals with their opinions, and who are we as ivory towerists to usurp power and assert our superiority to them, for is that not our own bias? The key then, is not to disregard the opinions the lowest common denominator (if that is a neutral statement at all), but to raise the lowest common denominator and to sustain a positive cycle. -- Natalinasmpf 01:48, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm a firm supporter of the free software movement ..
Do you believe that software creators should be left to "develop" software in a garrett, like the artists in  La Bohème ? And what about access to the tools of their trade, which do not come cheap? I understand your intellectual sympathy with anarcho-communism (which I simply believe to be impractical in any society larger than a tribe— ~100 folk or so), but do not anticipate the advent of your society. In this society, free software is, at the least, unsupported software— of the nature of any "free" labor. Not many of us have an independent means of income whereby we can indulge in unlimited "free" work on anything. In the meantime, "free" software should be seen as in the nature of a charitable donation.

normxxx 20:00, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but often the tools of their trade become self-created, and can achieve self-sufficiency as a community evolves. I see free software as an altruistic movement for information awareness which cares nothing about profit and cares only about knowledge and intellectualism. And the joy of programming. I don't see how it's necessarily unsupported, it would work like any gift economy, including the drive to competency. -- Natalinasmpf 00:45, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Fair enough. Where I was coming from was the flowering and near demise of freeware in the '90s.  Few such efforts have been so rewarded or supported as Linux.

 * Ah, but I think that is because Linux was an ideal operating system to lob all free software efforts into, so it's not that there have been few efforts, but most of the efforts have merged. Since freeware != free software, anyway. -- Natalinasmpf 01:52, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

talk:architecture . . / ..
See the latest comments. Since this does not seem a frequented page, I have asked for mediation/arbitration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Normxxx (talk • contribs)

Uh, it's only a minor dispute. I hope we don't get any ill will out of this, I think this can be resolved with at most, an RFC. I'm sure it won't turn out anything like Gibby's. . -- Natalinasmpf 00:45, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the Barnstar! I am persuing this in depth because I take you to be a very serious person. (See latest additions to the architecture talk page.)  However, I am very new to Wikipediua, so I appologize for the inappropriate highlightings, which I will henceforth allow free reign only in discusssions!  Also, I asked for help on this from my Wikipedia welcome committee of one, who will probably also advise a Rfc, if appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Normxxx (talk • contribs)

 * Acknowledged. Well, I certainly hope you mean an article RFC, not a user RFC. ;-) -- Natalinasmpf 00:01, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

 * In the event, I went for a request for a third opinion. But, so far, only Stochata has responded. (He has contributed to architecture before, so his is a valued opinion.)   Are you aware that there are in the neighborhood of 10,000 articles on various aspects of architecture, only haphazardly cross-referenced?

 * I have been studying the architecture and content of the "architecture" articles in Wikepedia. It is vast! Much of it little coordinated.  I know little about the architecture of the built environment, but I have extensive background as a systems architect (see the new write up for my resume!). So, I have undertaken some minimal cleanup, especially of the Main architecture page (I have abandoned all hope of changing it to the disambiguation page; there are probably several thousand references to "architecture" in Wikipedia, 90% of which are expected to produce something about the architecture of the built environment), the Architectural History page, and the disambiguation page.  I particularly welcome any suggestions from you.

 * Thank you for the "Exceptional Newcomer Award" (the Order of the Blue Butterfly?) But, I am still very much a newby and learning as I go.

 * []As an aside, I am retired; and very, very much older than you. So please, please excuse me if I ever seem condescending (I promise you I will not mean it as such). I also was a Psychology Instructor at the U. of Mich. in the U.S. for a time (I got a Ph.D. in Mathematical Psychology for kicks), and I am sure you are well aware from painful experience that teachers (even ex-teachers) tend to lapse into "down-speak" from time to time. Also, do not hesitate to ask me to clarify anything (I am not always altogether clear on my points as I am more creative than analytical; which is probably why I wound up as a systems architect)— I promise to do the same.  (As a practitioner of the Socratic method, I sincerely believe the simplest and most fundamental questions usually reveal the major areas of collective ignorance.  My students and colleagues hated it!)  I am usually (but not always) more than willing to confess ignorance (I developed that habit when I found most people hated such confessions also— it's almost like Jujutsu (or, the Taoist, “in yielding there is strength”)!).[]  normxxx 00:15, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Hmm, yes it is vast, and there needs to be some organisation. I will probably add organising the entire category (that's right!) to my long-term to do list. I have so many other things to do, and I am exhausted. I'm off to play some online computer games, no doubt a stereotype of my generation. I need a break. I haven't played America's Army in weeks. -- Natalinasmpf 01:54, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Requests for comment/Huaiwei
When you had reviewed this RfC, I must admit that it was lacking in some respects. However, I have expanded it with relevant points (see the bits in green) - even if it will have no impact on your decision, would you be able to re-visit this RfC please? Thanks. enochlau (talk) 14:52, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Ancient Greek phonology
I was interested to see your comments on this page. I don't know anything about Huaiwei, but I thought you were judicious in your comments. I would like someone with a little distance from the situation to take a similar look at User:Thrax's behavior on Ancient Greek phonology. From my point of view, Thrax has been a terribly uncooperative and disruptive editor, but it would be interesting to hear the opinion of someone who has nothing to do with the case. Do you think his behavior is acceptable? not acceptable but within the rules? deserving of some sort of action (if so, what)? Thanks. --Macrakis 23:58, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I will take a look at it as soon as I clear some other issues up. I will be glad to provide a third opinion, but I'm not much of a mediator, but I will try my best. :-) -- Natalinasmpf 00:05, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks. No hurry, Thrax is quiet for now.  --Macrakis 00:33, 23 December 2005 (UTC) PS But do let me know on my User Talk page -- I don't monitor yours. --Macrakis 18:34, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Edit police
The edit police brigade says hi :-) --HappyCamper 02:29, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I noticed it...I thought you were being funny...I had such a great laugh. It's been a long time any Wikipedian managed to make me laugh like that! Cheers! --HappyCamper 02:45, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Christmas
A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. :D --Terence Ong Talk 16:28, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Here You Go
Requests for adminship/Natalinasmpf, just in case you didn't get the link on IRC. Good luck, although you might not need it, I think you're a shoo in! karmafist 17:59, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

 * My congrulations to you in advance! I'm pretty sure your promotion is just days away. Merry Christmas too! :) - Mailer Diablo 16:46, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Japanese assaults in World War II
Hi, thanks for the Barnstar :-) Sorry for the delay in replying but I've been thinking about your question. And I don't know if the Japanese success can be described much better than we have done in Battle of Singapore.

I would summarise their advantages as follows:

1. Tactics. "Encirclement, isolation and flanking" was a large part of it.

2. Organisation. The Commonwealth forces were structured, trained and equipped mainly as heavy infantry, to fight the Wehrmacht in Europe and North Africa. They relied on mobility through trucks and trains, and the use of artillery and heavy machine gun units, to deter frontal assaults. However this doesn't really work on a battlefield which is dominated by thick forest, as the ability to move and deploy is restricted to roads and rail lines. And the Japanese used classic light infantry structures. This meant that even if they they didn't have the mobility of the Allies, they could more quickly change attack plans at both the tactical and strategic levels to refocus attacks when they were met with obstacles. They weren't slowed down by elaborate supply lines, as was the case with the Allies. These lessons were eventually learnt by the Allies. For instance, even the Australian 9th Division — which had been much praised by British commanders for its efforts in North Africa — when it was deployed to the Pacific in 1943, in addition to significant retraining in jungle warfare, was stripped of many of its transport, artillery and tank units.

3. Experience. The Japanese had been fighting a war on and off in China for ten years. Few, if any, of the Commonwealth soldiers had seen battle before December 1941. Grant65 | Talk 01:57, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Communism References
Thanks for that, I didn't know how to do footnotes. Your edit is great, but I think I jumped into the middle of an ongoing edit war... Pages are Schaefer, Richard T. "Sociology" 5th ed. pp. 123, 343. You may want to include some of this text from pg. 343 to further defend this:

"Marx believed that each socialist state would eventually 'wither away' and evolve into a communist society. As an ideal type, communism refers to an economic system under which all property is communally owned and no social distinctions are made on the basis of people's ability to produce. In recent decades, the Soviet Union, the People's Republic of China, Vietnam, Cuba, and nations in Eastern Europe were popularly thought of as examples of communist economic systems. However, this represents an incorrect usage of a term with sensitive political connotations. All nations known as communist in the twentieth century have actually fallen far short of the ideal type." Patrick 16:31, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

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Also, what could be done about GMB's continued reverting of the text? It seems like everyone agrees on this version... Patrick 16:51, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

He will eventually be blocked for violating the three revert rule. I am trying to come up with a discussion of his points but he refuses to discuss it. Anyway, about the book I don't think there's much to expand on from the book, because it's already mentioned throughout (although we could reword), we just need as many references as possible for the existing test. Thanks for the concern! -- Natalinasmpf 16:55, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey thanks!
Hi Natalinasmpf, thank you for your edits on Ursula Rucker. The article as it used to be was not from a NPOV, I didn't fully see that, because she is one of my favorite poets of all time. Again thank you, the article is improved ten fold. Knowledge Of Self  |  talk  18:42, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I haven't used a footnote section as of yet. When you say to "bring sources of what the critics say", do you mean to provide links to reviews from sites such as amazon, and BBC Urban Review? Knowledge Of  Self  |  talk  19:03, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * How much of the comments from critics should be provided after providing the footnote link? For example, this is a review from a music critic from BBC Urban Review, as is this one, like I mentioned above, I've never provided footnotes to an article. I would be obliged if you could take the reviews I've provided and insert one or both in as you would want them to be. After seeing the additions you'd make I'll go and find more reviews from different sources and add them in. Thanks Knowledge Of  Self  |  talk  19:29, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

BostonMA's updated comments
I wasn't sure what BostonMA was trying to do when he duplicated that whole section. Thank you for fixing it! Owen× ☎  04:07, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, thank-you. I'm not sure how it got screwed up and I apologize.  I tried to fix it myself, but by then, I kept getting change conflicts.  (BostonMA 04:12, 25 December 2005 (UTC))

Response to your message
Ok, you're entitled to your opinion, I still feel that this article is rather pointless. I would like to see what you perceive as the cultural link between (for lack of a better example) Singapore and Israel? Or Afghanistan and Thailand? I still feel that Wikipedia would be better off without the article, but if that's more or less a pipe dream than it should at least be a redirect page for more culturally specific articles. --RyGuy17 06:30, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but there is also a common link, despite the distinctions, and the distinctions after all, does press the article to have sub-pages, which is already done. For example, there is a huge difference between all the native peoples of the Americas, but we still group them as one (Indigenous peoples of the Americas, Native Americans). -- Natalinasmpf 06:37, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Joe McCarthy, GMB and page protection
G'day Natalina,

you asked why I protected the Joseph McCarthy article on the dodgy version. Simply put, GMB's changes, extreme though they may be, are not vandalism. As such, it's inappropriate for me — well, any protecting admin — to choose my favourite revision of an article and protect to that one. We're supposed to be neutral when protecting pages, and as long as the current revision doesn't contain vandalism, it's the one we should protect. GMB certainly seems to have very extreme political views from my humble Aussie POV, but that's no reason to discount his opinion more than the opinions I prefer. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 08:22, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: No External Links
Just saw your edit to the Warhammer 40,000 page. I'm not saying you did the right or wrong thing here, but would like to know where it says that you cannot include external links in the body of the article, unless they are references. Saberwyn - The Zoids  Expansion Project 09:38, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * A fair reasoning, but can you point me to where in the various Wikipedia policies and guidelines it states this? Saberwyn - The Zoids  Expansion Project 21:44, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

COTW
Hi, if you haven't notice the Singapore COTW, you may like to take a look here. Do make a vote or nominate articles for COTW. --Terence Ong Talk 10:15, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Incomplete article
Hi Natalinasmpf,

I'm going to pass you (and fellow SGpedians) an incomplete work to hopefully continue on, which is at User:Mailer diablo/Sandbox. The MRT FAC is running into very serious problems, and from next year onwards I'll probably have very little time to devote into the project. I do hope to eventually see National Kidney Foundation Singapore scandal become a featured article one day as well. :)

- Best reagrds, Mailer Diablo 14:58, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Chad-Sudan conflict
Until Wikizach has concrete source, we're fishing. We must wait until sources can be cited. I think "Ongoing" is much better than "Undecided." As far as we know it isn't even a "war" yet. KI 01:28, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Strangely I have been unable to find any references to UN mediation... plenty to AU and Egypt though. KI 01:58, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I just noticed you've been attributing all of the externals links I added at the bottom of the page. Sorry, I didn't see this before. I'll do that for any future links I add. KI 02:26, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

You said 1-2% on the voting to move and 1-5% in your edit summary...can you provide a source for these statistics...?

Howcheng's RfA
Thank you for your support in my recent request for adminship. I was successfully promoted with a final tally of 74/0/0. I will endeavour not to let you down. Thanks again.  howch e  ng   {chat} 07:30, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Help against some POV-pushing
I would greatly appreciate your help against the Objectivist Reductio ad Hitlerum being pushed into the altruism article, and against some libertarian POV warring at positive right and negative right. Thanks in advance. -- Mihnea Tudoreanu 09:09, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

2nd-person language rewording of 3D Monster Maze
I've tried to do some, see that article's history ;-). You're welcome to help further in the task — I feel that the new phrase "run for one's life" sounds a bit worse than the original "run for your life"; also, I didn't reword the strategy advice that uses the 2nd-person lang. as it would be in striking disharmony with the cited in-game messages. If you have a good idea how to reword that smoothly, please go ahead. --BACbKA 09:43, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The article has been significantly changed since, but that paragraph still remains a stumbling block for that very same reason. It is even sticking out more than before, as, per others' suggestions and the gaming project guidelines, the gameplay is now in the article start. If you could find a creative way to solve it w/o creating the above disharmony, I'd be really happy... --BACbKA 01:15, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I suppose!
I see you reverted someone else's hostile remarks on my Talk page. Very neighborly of you. Tell me, what exactly IS that guy's problem? I can't remember calling anyone on wikipedia a "moron", "lunatic", or "fanatic" in weeks at least. ;) -Kasreyn 11:18, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

RfC
A RFC has been filed for User:Monicasdude's questionable user conduct. Please join in at Requests for comment/Monicasdude 2.

- Cheers, Mailer Diablo 15:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Be-earlied congrats to your RfA!
User Christian communist

You'll like this, I'm sure. Though I don't think many people would use it, since it's uh, rare enough to have a communist, but a Christian communist, too? Well, I used to be one, too, but I'm not a very good Christian so... I'll be using User Capitalist, I guess. Hehe. -- Миборовский U 08:46, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for helpful edit
Thank you for your helpful edit --BostonMA 23:18, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Why not fix it?
In the recent past I have seen quite a few good editors express disillusionment with Wiki, and it is not hard to see why. Your recent edits to Battle of Malaya and comments accompanying your edits are a good illustration. You have twice replaced a cleanup tag on the article giving "tone" as your reason. Firstly, not everyone would see what you are talking about so why don't you specify what you believe is wrong with the tone. Secondly, why don't you fix it instead of placing on it a dubious tag which is likely to remain there for ages because not everyone would know what you are on about. There are 12,000 plus articles awaiting attention on Cleanup at the moment, many of them simply dumped there by people who place tags but never do the work to improve the articles to a quality where they remove the tag. This is not a dig at you personally/exclusively, but at the very unhelpful habit which has crept up on us and become almost policy. For myself, I refuse to be a willing drone from here on, unless some of those who flash tags around actually try to improve Wiki by actually editing articles. Incidentally, I will copy this comment to the Cleanup talk page too. Moriori 00:06, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I actually intend to fix it (it's listed on the todo list of my user page), just that I listed it for cleanup so any passerby's could fix it until I get to it. -- Natalinasmpf 01:18, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * As you still haven't specified what is wrong with the "tone" of the article it will be interesting to see how you apply your interpretation to it. Passersby won't necessarily see anything wrong with the "tone" so why would they consider fixing it? Moriori 03:07, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Images
Please see my talk page for a response to your message.--TracyRenee 16:53, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Please see my talk page for a response to your message.--TracyRenee 19:12, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- 03:21, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Congrats! NSLE  ( T + C + CVU ) 03:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

 * And congratulations from me too. May you find eudaimonia in editing Wikipedia, and remember, Wikipedia is Communism! (in the very best sense of that word)-gadfium 08:19, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Congrats! I'd have supported Suppa! but I was late! See you around and Happy new year. Cheers -- Szvest 09:54, 1 January 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up™

 * Congratulations! Sorry my vote didn't make it through in time, but it seems it wasn't necessary anyway. It's always nice to have sharp new eyes monitoring the site. Have a good 2006! Sarge Baldy 10:52, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Mine too... William M. Connolley 11:04, 1 January 2006 (UTC).

Thanks
''' Hello Natalinasmpf,

I wish to thank you for your vote on my RfA. It has passed with a final tally of 59/0/0. If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know! Knowledge Of Self  |  talk  03:54, 31 December 2005 (UTC) '''

Note
Thanks for the note! I'm a lot less confused now. BTW, as of now, Gibby's essay is up in the article, as he has made 4 reverts. I can't see how his essay can be salvaged, so it needs to go. 172 06:43, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Aye, I've nominated him at AN/3RR. I'm not going to revert his revisions to set an example; I'll allow other editors to do that. -- Natalinasmpf

Thanks again for your efforts. Definitely, I want to be listed as a participant and sign on. The kind of patience that you have shown him is remarkable (I mean, I never would have considered him material for mediation, given his rude behavior from day one), making his latest comments directed toward you, much less myself, all the more unacceptable. Keep up the excellent work! 172 07:36, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Template
Hello. Can you go to WP:TFD and comment or vote about Template:PD-USGov-LOC ? Thank you - Darwinek 11:55, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Your RFA
Not a problem, i'm honored to have initiated the process. I have the utmost confidence that you'll do great, but if you get bogged down, just remember the vandal's words to cheer you up -- Wikipedia is Communism ;-) karmafist 10:15, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Please see my talk page for a reply.--TracyRenee 11:19, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations
talk:Normxxx   normxxx 19:35, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I congratualte you on your elevation to the position of an administrator. All the best. --Bhadani 13:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! Maybe some non-admin will come along and create a lot of work for you. :-) --Deathphoenix 14:10, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * ====>> Congratulations!!!! I will do my best to do as Deathphoenix says!
 * Ah what a way to start the new year for you eh? ;) Talking about that, I do need help in moving Current events in Malaysia and Singapore to December 2005 in Malaysia and Singapore as per routine monthly archiving. I am just heeding your call for providing assistance hehe. Thanks and have a great 2006! :D--Huaiwei 14:17, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * See How to archive Current Events. It may not be policy, but I have been adhering to it religiously all these while for the sake of maintaning easier-to-follow edit histories as per recommendation provided there. Hope you may assist. Thanks! ;)--Huaiwei 16:58, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yoz...still patiently awaiting!--Huaiwei 09:36, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thanks a million~! ;)--Huaiwei 07:46, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on your promotion to an administrator. And a Happy New Year. --Terence Ong Talk 14:31, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Contrats on becoming an admin! -- Jbamb 17:25, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Congrats on your adminship, it was well earned. Knowledge Of  Self  |  talk  17:27, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, and you're quite welcome! --King of All the Franks 19:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Congrats! —Locke Cole • t • c 19:42, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! You'll make an excellent admin. -- a.n.o.n.y.m  t 20:47, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait! I didn't get to give you my vote! I knew I should have done that before logging off on December 31st... Well, if it counts for anything, here's a symbolic Support, and congratulations! -- Nikodemos (f.k.a. Mihnea) 22:03, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the congratulations, all. :D -- Elle vécut heureusement toujours dorénavant  (Be eudaimonic!) 00:09, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

 * More power to the neo-maoist cabal for the purification of knowledge! Completely missed your RfA. Congrats + all. --Pjacobi 19:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Feedback on Tora!Tora!Tora!
Mahalo for your feedback comments with suggested alternatives ...

Consider reading "The Truth About Stories" by Thomas King RJBurkhart 04:34, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Kulin image
Hello; it's from http://www.hercegbosna.org/engleski/early.html. It's OK, I'm one of the owners of the site (this site has been the source of images galore, for instance on the Croatian languege page tec.).Best, Mir Harven 14:34, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Frankly-I don't get it. Maybe due to the less strict laws re Internet property operating in Croatia (then), or to the general liberal attitude towards such things (copyleft mentality), the image has appered on the site I mentioned without any regard to the possible consequences. Vaguely, I recall that it was, like the major part of images, simply scanned from some book. That's all I know. Mir Harven 14:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, delete it then. I've been out of touch with the communications person on the www.hercegbosna.org for ca. 2 months (ie., since updates) & cannot provide any quick link or confirmation of anything in short time. Best Mir Harven 14:48, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Template
What happened in the dictatorship of the proletariat article is the infamous ultra right wing POV editor user:ultramarine who makes over 100 edits a day, mostly criticizing anything remotely marxist in nature got pissed that i removed some of his edits which were not only POV but tangental (many belonged in the democratic centralism article). he got very angry and irrate and began putting "totally disputed" and "pov" tags on just about any article that his critical edits are taken off of. I refuse to debate with him on any subject because it is futile and he will just add templates and then make a big deal when they are removed. he hardly has anything constructive to contribute to any marxist articles. please support me and my fellow wikipedians and revert that template back, he is the only one that has put it there and if a large number of ppl keep taking it off we can at least put a hamper on his evil and devstating activities. Solidusspriggan 08:50, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Transportation network in Sengkang New Town
Hi Natalina,

I m quite puzzled by your insertion of the following under the section titled above, especially the portion on private transport being the dominant mode of transport.

"Private transport is the dominant mode of transport in Sengkang, but city planners plan for public transport to eventually become the preferred mode of transport in the future."

I live in Sengkang New Town and the pattern of transport utilised by its residents is no different from any other new towns in Singapore. Of course, it is a different story if you are referring to old rural Sengkang before 1997. Would you mind explaining and cite the source for the above info? --Sengkang 09:40, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

User:KDRGibby
Howdy. Since you are directly involved in one or more disputes with KDRGibby, you should probably not be directly editing his user page, even if you feel that the content he has there constitutes a personal attack. What he has had on his user page does seem a bit inflammatory, but editors ought to be able to describe disputes they are having with other editors, perhaps with more diplomatic language. android 79  13:31, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Picture
It was scanned from the Leningrad copy; whose holders released all rights to the scanner. Unfortunately; I am not sure if the man who scanned it released all rights - to wikipedia... --HolyRomanEmperor 15:21, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Doppelganger account
Hi, I've created a doppelganger account named Terenceong1992 on wheels!. Please do not block it. Thank you. --Terence Ong Talk 08:02, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Impersonator
User:Natalinasmpf on Wheels!!

Think you'd like to personally take care of this one ;) Yuyudevil 08:31, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Category: Argentinean sailors
Hi, I notice you turned this into a redirect instead of deleting it. Just two comments:
 * It's a useless redirect, as nothing refers to it;
 * The correct category, Category:Argentine sailors, now contains
 * There is 1 subcategory to this category.
 * Category:Argentinean sailors
 * and that link points to an empty cat. This just looks a little ugly to me.  Once again, sorry for screwing this up in the first place!  Cheers. — Johantheghost 14:55, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

redirect 1.FC Cologne
Hi! Why did you remove the deletion-request? Your explanation "redirect not being used is not a criteria for deletion" doesn't make sense to me, since I primarily referred to the wrong name (missing blank). And that's a perfectly proper criteria for speedy deletion. --Nanouk 15:53, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

 * As I said, my main point was the wrong name. I understand that "not being used" alone doesn't qualify as a reason. I know about the "fairly common typo" rule, but I don't think this typo is so common. The redirect was created by Kingjeff only recently (in fact just yesterday), to make a point at Talk:Hannover 96. This user has a history of acting rather strangely (one might also call it vandalism), so I just wanted to clean up. But I don't mind too much if the redirect stays, if you consider it necessary. --Nanouk 16:41, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Speedy Delete
I put up a bunch of those "historical anniversaries" links for speedy deletion yesterday. I noticed you deleted a handful. There are many more (about 40). Could you just go and delete them all without me having to go through and put a speedy tag on all of them. They are all redirects to their respective dates and they all violate the Subpages policy. Historical anniversaries/April 30, Historical anniversaries/May 5, etc. They are found by doing a search for "Historical anniversaries". Pepsidrinka 01:13, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Butterfly
Thank-you. That was very a very thoughtful and generous action. --BostonMA 03:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Singapore as illiberal democracy
I think is not an opinion but a fact that Singapore's democracy is an illiberal democracy. This is not even contested by the leadership. Rather it is justified for the survival of the city state and by the supposedly Asian values.

Thanks
Many thanks for your support and kind words on my request for adminiship, I'm sure you'll be glad to know the final result was 92/1/0. I am now an administrator and (as always) if I do anything you have issue with, please talk about it with me. --Alf melmac 11:43, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

212.219.190.164
Hi. Could you look at this edit. I think it is vandalism based upon the user's history, but I wanted someone else to take a look. Thanks. --BostonMA 23:06, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Oppose votes
You might as well just let it stand - even if he rounds up a few friends, it strikes me as unlikely that it will have a big impact this time around. Guettarda 05:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

SIgnature
I see that your signature has been changed to
 * Elle vécut heureusement toujours dorénavant

You might be interested to know the expression used for this : "elle vécu heureuse à jamais" (litterally, "she lived happy for ever"). Cheers ! Rama 09:45, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Young Arbitrators
You left a reply comment to my Oppose vote for Terenceong1992. I said that I thought 13 was too young for this position. You replied, "Rationale should not be because of age, but experience. Age is often linked, but never a real indictator of true ability." That may be true in the very general sense, and certainly is true for specific abilities, for example, figure skating, violin playing in some cases, gymnastics, mathematical genius. However, I think that when it comes to arbitrating disputes often between adults many years older and with the accompanying experience and baggage, life experience and age is a definite factor. I would argue that Terenceong1992's "I withdraw ... no I don't ... sorry I wasted your time" is an example of the exact type of age-appropriate behavior that, while fine for a 13-year-old would not serve him well as an arbitrator. (If you wish to reply, please use your Talk page or mine as suggested on the Voting Page. Let's not clutter up the Voting tally page with comments. thanks. Crunch 19:52, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. You make some interesting points. If someone gets involved in Wikipedia at age 7, by age 14, they will have 7 years of Wikipedia experience. But they'll still be 14 years old. My argument is that arbitration involves an element of real world skills as well, that no amount of life on Wikipedia can prepare you for. This is a function as much of the life experience of the adults the arbitrators must deal with as it is the different, or shorter, life experience of the teenage arbitrators. There's just not enough common ground. I do agree that most young people have a lot more free time. Crunch 21:10, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

You may convince me yet. Living in Singapore I'm sure gives you a perspective on life and living in "harmony" that we in America don't have. Crunch 21:24, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
 Francs2000's Bureaucratship

Thanks for your support on my request for bureaucratship.

The final outcome was (70/5/0), so I am now a bureaucrat. I seriously didn't expect so many good comments from everybody and I appreciated the constructive criticism from those that gave it. If you have any queries, suggestions or problems with any of my actions as a bureaucrat then please leave me a note. -- Francs2000 22:08, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Aetherometry again
Hi Natalina. I don't know if you've seen it, but you figure in http://www.aetherometry.com/antiwikipedia2/Section_V.html (a smashing victory for the spanking new Adminship of the bogus anarcho-girlie Natalina). William M. Connolley 22:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC).

Apparently they think I'm more fascist than libertarian socialist. Oh well. I guess being bashed by a spiteful, conspiracy-accusative kind of group is another thing to be ultimately proud of. ;-) Elle vécu heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 23:58, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Moving a category
Dude, can u move Category:Manufactuing Corporation stubs or at least put an R in it as it has been mis-named. I have no idea whether renaming it with an R will make it in need of double redirect fixing or what..Thanks --  max rspct  leave a message  22:46, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Will try to help. Attendez! Elle vécu heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 23:39, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

title: User talk:La goutte de pluie/archive 3


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Groty coat of arms

Groty (Polish for "Spearheads") is a Polish coat of arms. It was used by several szlachta (noble) families under the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.

title: Groty coat of arms


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Gwiazdy coat of arms

Gwiazdy (Polish for "Stars") is a Polish coat of arms. It was used by a number of szlachta (noble) families under the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.

Blazon
Azure in fess three mullets-of-six-points or. The Helm mantled azure doubled or, crested [what is that?].

Notable bearers
Notable bearers of this coat of arms have included:

title: Gwiazdy coat of arms


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Hełm coat of arms

Hełm (Polish for "Helmet") is a Polish coat of arms. It was used by a number of szlachta (noble) families under the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.

Notable bearers
Notable bearers of this coat of arms have included:

title: Hełm coat of arms


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Hozyusz coat of arms

Hozyusz is a Polish coat of arms. It was used by several szlachta families.

Notable bearers
Notable bearers of this coat of arms include:
 * Stanisław Hozjusz
 * Stanisław Józef Hozjusz

title: Hozyusz coat of arms


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Klamry coat of arms

Klamry (Polish for "clamps") is a Polish coat of arms.

title: Klamry coat of arms


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Korsak coat of arms

Korsak is a Polish coat of arms. It was used by several szlachta families in the times of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.

Blazon
Sable, a fleur-de-lis Argent.

Notable bearers
Notable bearers of this coat of arms include:
 * Sebastian Korsak

title: Korsak coat of arms


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Księżyc coat of arms

Księżyc (Polish for "Moon") is a Polish coat of arms. It was used by several szlachta (noble) families under the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.

Notable bearers
Notable bearers of this coat of arms have included:

title: Księżyc coat of arms


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Ippolito de' Medici

Ippolito de' Medici (March 1511 – 10 August 1535) was the only son of Giuliano di Lorenzo de' Medici, born out of wedlock to his mistress Pacifica Brandano.

Biography
Ippolito was born in Urbino. His father died when he was only five (1516), and he was subsequently raised by his uncle Pope Leo X and his cousin Giulio de' Medici.

When Giulio was elected pope as Clement VII in 1523, Ippolito ruled Florence on his behalf (1524–1527). After the siege of Florence (1529–1530), however, Clement favored his nephew Alessandro de' Medici as the family member to take charge of Florence. To assist and succeed him in church affairs, Clement VII created his cousin Ippolito a cardinal on 10 January 1529, and on the same day named him first Archbishop of Avignon, a position that brought him a considerable income. Since he was only eighteen, he could not be consecrated a bishop or even be the administrator of the diocese without a papal dispensation. Ippolito was named Cardinal Priest of Santa Prassede, though there is no evidence that he was ever ordained a priest or consecrated as a bishop. His own preference was to be ruler of Florence, not a cleric, and he spent the rest of his life trying to renounce his clerical calling and depose his cousin Alessandro. On 3 May 1529, Cardinal Ippolito was named Papal Legate in Perugia.

On 12 August 1529, Cardinal Ippolito de' Medici was one of the three Cardinal Legates who met Holy Roman Emperor Charles V at Genoa with the purpose of conducting him in state to his coronation as Emperor in Bologna. In Bologna, he participated in the ceremonies of the coronation.

On 15 February 1530, Pope Clement granted Cardinal Ippolito a ⅓ share in the annual papal income from the town and territory of Chiusi for his lifetime.

Ippolito was sent to Hungary in the spring of 1532 as Papal Legate, departing from Rome on 8 July, according to the diaries of the Italian literatus Pietro Aretino. He was in Regensburg by 12 August. There he demonstrated a talent for soldiering, leading 8000 Hungarian soldiers against the Ottoman Turks, though the Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent was unwilling to move forward so late in the season, and the Emperor Charles V only had sufficient forces for defense, not offence. When the Emperor returned to Italy early in the next year, Cardinal Ippolito followed him.

On 3 July 1532, Cardinal Ippolito was named Vice-Chancellor of the Holy Roman Church, the most lucrative office in the Roman Curia. Along with that post he was transferred to the Titular church of San Lorenzo in Damaso.

He was a friend to, and possibly had a liaison with, Giulia Gonzaga, the Countess of Fondi. He loved Catherine de' Medici, but they never married. Alessandro de' Medici once caught him and Catherine de' Medici in a private embrace. However, when he was sent away as a Cardinal, they weren't allowed to see each other any longer. Some theories suggest that the reason Clement made Ippolito Cardinal was to keep him and Catherine de' Medici apart. By 24 April 1531, Catherine had been promised to Henry, the son of King Francis I of France, in a draft contract of marriage. Catherine was 11, and Cardinal Ippolito was 21.

Ippolito's cousin, Pope Clement, died on 25 September 1534. The Conclave elected Cardinal Alessandro Farnese on 12 October and he chose the name Paul III. In 1535, free of his cousin's influence, Cardinal Ippolito acted as Florentine ambassador to Emperor Charles V, happily conveying complaints against the administration of Alessandro de' Medici. Suffering from a low-grade fever for eight days, Ippolito died from malaria in Itri, in southern Lazio, although there were rumors that he had been poisoned either by Alessandro de' Medici, whose abuses he was intending to denounce, or by Pope Paul III, who aimed to acquire Ippolito's lucrative benefices for his own nephews.

During the Renaissance, the Medici developed a large menagerie with human zoo in the Vatican. In the 16th century, Cardinal Ippolito de' Medici had a collection of people of different races as well as exotic animals. He is reported as having a troupe of so-called Savages, speaking over twenty languages; there were also Moors, Tartars, Indians, Turks and Africans.

title: Ippolito de' Medici


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Category:Speech codecs

Speech codecs differ from Audio codecs in that they are optimized for speech signals. Human speech can be modeled easier than generic audio. This means that high quality speech can be coded with specific methods better than generic audio. On the other hand humans are very good at hearing problems with human speech signal. This means that otherwise good quality generic audio codecs perform poorly with speech signal even at quite high bit rates.

title: Category:Speech codecs


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Larysza coat of arms

Larysza is a Polish coat of arms. It was used by several szlachta families in the times of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.

History
There are supposed to be two plowshares standing side by side, with the points upward and the sharp ends of the blade facing each other, on a red shield. On the helmet there are three white ostrich feathers. Thus, it was described by the author Bielski in his work, page 184; by Paprocki in Gniazdo cnoty [Nest of virtue], page 402 and in O herbach (Of Coats of Arms), p. 263; and by Okolski in his book, vol. 2, p. 39, and in Klejnoty (Crests), p. 36.

None of these authors found anything certain about when and why this coat of arms was conferred. Parisius in his manuscript infers that it got the name from Larissa, a city in Thessaly, before the birth of Christ. At that time the Sarmatians called the Mesians invaded Italy from the town of Larissa in Thessaly and captured many people as the spoils of war. Soon they were settled in Sarmatia, which had been little used previously because no one there knew how to farm the land, which turned out to be fertile. This seems to be somewhat corroborated by Ovid, book 3, Tristium Elegia 10, where he says of Sarmatia's lack of fertility at that time, "Aspiceres nudos, sineftonde, sine arbore campos, etc." [One sees fields bare of foliage or trees"]. This was the main reason for its fertility, and thus the plowshares appear in the coat of arms.

He also reports that the coat of arms was conferred at a time when the Sarmatians, irritated by the Romans' frequent raids, attacked Italy and captured several cities, leveling them, then plowing the land and sowing it with salt. The discoverers of this method received as an award a coat of arms with plowshares. At least, that is the conjecture Parisius made regarding the origin of this coat of arms.

Paprocki cites two opinions regarding the origin of these arms. First, when Piast had been elevated to the throne, he honored his mothers' relatives with this shield; Tylkowski In dedicat. attests to this, but Okolski thinks otherwise. Secondly, when Jaromir, the true prince of Bohemia, was fleeing from his brother Wratyslaw, he came to Boleslaw the Brave, King of Poland. Wratyslaw, not content with having driven his brother from Bohemia, took his army and pursued his brother into Poland. As Boleslaw was leading ail expedition against Wratyslaw, along the way he encountered a man who was carrying two plowshares to the blacksmith to be repaired. The King started talking to this man and learned that the man knew all the trails in the forest and promised to guide the King through it. The man proved to be instrumental in the King's victory, for he crept into the Bohemian camp before dawn. Finding the enemy asleep, he took away all their horses, after which Boleslaw attacked and easily conquered the horseless and still sleepy Bohemians. The King therefore allowed Laryssa, as the progenitor of this clan was supposedly named, to bear on his shield the plowshares he had been carrying.

Paprocki cites count Jankal Laryssa in his charters of 1264, as well as count Choschanus Larysza, cupbearer of Kalisz, in the same year. Paprocki also cites an anonymous source, reporting that under them, Jews received great privileges from this Duke.

Notable bearers
Notable bearers of this coat of arms include:
 * Antoni Madaliński, a general in Kościuszko Uprising (1794)
 * Piotr Mediolański, crown treasurer and knight of Grand Duke of Lithuania Wladislaw II.

title: Larysza coat of arms


text:
Osek coat of arms

Osek is a Polish coat of arms. It was used by several szlachta families in the times of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.

Notable bearers
Notable bearers of this coat of arms include:

title: Osek coat of arms


text:
Ostroga coat of arms

Ostroga (Polish for "Spur") is a Polish coat of arms. It was used by several szlachta (noble) families under the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.

Blazon

 * See: Blazon

Notable bearers
Notable bearers of this coat of arms include:

title: Ostroga coat of arms