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Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Lucky 6.9 2

Lucky 6.9
(30/23/5) ending 18:05, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Works tirelessly against vandalism and junk. This doesn't show in his contributions list, as a lot of the stuff he deals with gets deleted... Evercat 18:05, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Support
 * 1) As above. Evercat 18:08, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 2)   — Kate Turner | Talk 18:30, 2004 Oct 20 (UTC)
 * 3) zoney ♣ talk 19:13, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes, a thousand times yes. (feel free to count that as 1001 distinct votes.) [[User:Rhymeless|Rhymeless | (Methyl Remiss)]] 20:27, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) Support. ffirehorse 21:00, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) Strongly support. Reasons should be obvious. --Lst27 22:43, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 3) Good longtime editor. My concerns have been addressed.  This is long overdue, really.  BLANKFAZE | (что??) 02:25, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 4) Mhmm. ugen64 02:25, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * 5) Lucky is a good, trustworthy contibutor. I support. →Raul654 02:30, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * 6) I'll echo Rhymeless' vote. ;-)  Definite support.  SWAdair | Talk  03:09, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 7) Supported last time, still support this time! —Stormie 03:14, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * 8) Gzornenplatz should learn that merits should be taken into account and not politics based on whether or not you think we should all have peace and love and accept the ugliest of substubs. Mike H 03:38, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * 9) ABSOLUTELY. That is all. Ambi 04:51, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 10) * Support. Excellent junk remover, and substubs can always be re-created. Alphax (talk) 05:13, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * 11) Absolutely: Lucky works harder than about anyone here, and he has shown consistent dedication.  He has demonstrated a concern for the quality and health of the project. Geogre 13:56, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 12) Strongly support. He's one of the most dedicated patrollers you'll find around here (even if the stress does get to him sometimes). -- Grunt 🇪🇺 14:58, 2004 Oct 21 (UTC)
 * 13) No problem supporting, much better candidate than most other users we get on here and RC Patrol can be a very wikistress-raising place. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 17:57, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 14) Support. Lucky, on balance, is a real asset to the Wikipedia community.  I have faith in his putting on his best face to new Wikipedians, and he has been a pleasure to work with in creating new articles.  I believe Lucky has shown greater maturity over time, not less.  He has stuck around and not left for good. Lucky can be trusted with the keys to the  "janitor's closet."  He has the best interests of Wikipedia at heart.  --avnative 18:45, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * 15) * Go Go! User:Peter 21:08, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC) (vote by anonymous user User talk:80.120.190.34. — David Remahl 19:12, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 16) RickK 20:34, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * 17) Support, appears to be a very dedicated member of the community -  Triona 23:50, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 18) Postdlf 03:11, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 19) support for keeping the crap out of wikipedia. --Jiang 20:26, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 20) Support Our man in the Coachella Valley. -- Decumanus 23:07, 2004 Oct 22 (UTC)
 * 21) Passw0rd 12:54, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 22) * User has less than 100 (questionable) edits. Probable sock puppet. -- Netoholic @ 04:40, 2004 Oct 24 (UTC)
 * 23) YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 04:30, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * 24) We're Lucky to have him. Warm, no hot support. Recommend burnout prevention, but this is no impediment to adminship. JFW | T@lk  16:21, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 25) Vacuum 17:00, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * 26) [[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee|✍]] 02:03, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC): Without blinking my eyes. If I had known he was here, I would have voted way before.  Lucky is an invaluable member of Wikipedia, and personally, I feel that taking breaks from Wikipedia is far more responsible than losing it and doing something he'll regret.  He's a great guy, and definitely has my full support.
 * 27) 172 08:47, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 28) Sarge Baldy 19:26, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * 29) user:zanimum I wish I personally had nominated him. I can't tell you how many early morning sweeps of Wikipedia he's helped me with, id'ing nonsense and the like. I've personally never come across any of the explosions mentioned below, maybe I'm just not looking.

Oppose
 * 1) Always high-strung and gets burned out far too easily.  Same person who, about a month ago, requested his user pages be deleted because he was leaving – and then returned a week later.  I think we need admins who are more stable and reliable. Maybe next time. -- Netoholic @ 19:09, 2004 Oct 20 (UTC)
 * 2) I'm still concerned about edits like this. He has to learn to leave valid stubs alone. Gzornenplatz 21:02, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * I would agree, however he doesn't need sysop powers to do that sort of thing, so it's not a huge problem... Evercat 15:43, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) Reluctantly oppose. Lucky has made major contributions to the Wikipedia, both content-wise and as a member of the RC patrol. I respect him for this. The vast majority of his interactions with other users have been extremely constructive and positive, with Lucky using tact and patience to get his point across. And his points are generally good ones; Lucky always has the best interests of the Wikipedia at heart. However, as an RC patroller, I have seen the occasional angry, abusive message left on anonymous users' talk pages. For example: and . There are others. I don't care how bad a vandal these users are — there is never any excuse for such abusive personal attacks. I understand that Lucky may get frustrated at vandals from time to time. (Who doesn't?) Getting frustrated is one thing. Exploding over it is quite another. One of my personal standards for administrators is that candidates must never violate the civility policy. Admins must represent the most hard-working, trustworthy, and friendly face of Wikipedia. Lucky fits the profile well except for these periodic outbursts of anger. Incivility is not to be tolerated under any circumstances — and certainly not from our admins. Therefore, I cannot in good faith support Lucky for adminship. Sorry. • Benc  • 05:54, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) He should have been an admin long ago. I have changed my vote to oppose. Recent edits that contain extreme personal attacks such as "Yo, fucktard.[...]Get a life, buttbleed" that were brought to my attention above have tainted my otherwise high opinion of Lucky. Being high-strung is ok, but insulting users, even worthless vandals, is unacceptable, especially by admins (or prospective admins). I cannot support Lucky, as much as I feel he is an otherwise good user. Andre ( talk )A|  17:53, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * 3) After reading posts on IP address user talk pages (where it is unlikely the vandal will even see it) that contain profanity and uncivilized conduct, I have to seriously consider the user's value as a contributor. Blatantly breaking Wikipolicy once can negate 5-10 strong contributions to the community in my POV. Since the posts in question were as recent as 2 days ago, by this logic, I find it possible for the user to actually be in the negative numbers. I cannot support this in a user, much less an admin. I; therefore, strongly oppose. Skyler1534 18:44, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * 4) I would love to be able to vote for Lucky. He is an excellent contributor, a tireless workhorse of Wikipedia, doing many thankless tasks.  If this was a vote concerning whether or not Lucky deserved thanks and honor for this work, I'd support hands down.  Sadly, though, Lucky's temper, especially with newbies, is seemingly incompatible with the role and responsibilities of an admin.  I am very open to the possibility that Lucky will find better ways of communicating displeasure, and gentler methods of working with new users -- I opposed Mike H, way back when, out of a concern for the way he handled disputes, and I'm now pleased to say I think he's very good at it and I was happy to support him when he was renominated.  I fervently hope that Lucky takes a similar path.  Until Lucky consistently respects Wikiquette and Wikilove, though, I'm afraid I will continue to oppose, and simply thank him sincerely for the many hours of work he does here. Jwrosenzweig 23:59, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 5) When I noticed Lucky 6.9's nomination here, I was very excited and couldn't wait to add my name to the list of supporters - I have long admired his tireless work right there on the front line of quality control on the pedia. However, it is with extreme reluctance that I have to agree that the recent highly abusive comments left on anons' talk pages make him an unsuitable candidate at this time. Lucky, I see the undertakings you've given here that you will work to curb this behaviour, and I believe that you will honour those promises. If you don't make sysop this time, I'll be looking forward to supporting your nomination next time, when you'll be able to point out that such behaviour is well and truly in the past. --Rlandmann 02:46, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 6) Oppose: too quick to tag things for speed delete, volatile in interactions w/ other editors. That said, Lucky has made a lot of worthwhile contributions. Wile E. Heresiarch 14:51, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 7) Seems as if Lucky likes to put speedy tags on articles which may be notable or those which are precedented as VfD material.  His over-zealousness alone makes me cautious, but coupled with very recent insults on talk pages - "Yo, fucktard. Take your cute, little, fluffy doggie and stick him where the sun don't shine. Get a life, buttbleed." - just drives the nail in the coffin.  CryptoDerk 23:32, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)
 * 8) I hate opposing nominations here. But i agree 100% with Jwrosenzweig. Theresa Knott (Not the skater) 23:49, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 9) I also agree with Jwrosenzweig. I'd like to see more wikiquette, less questionable speedy delete-tags and less temper first. --Conti|✉ 02:16, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * 10) Oppose on the basis of the valid objections noted by other users.  —Lowellian (talk)   05:20, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * 11) Acegikmo1 16:58, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC). I recognize that Lucky is an excellent contributor, but I cannot support him considering how recently he has resorted to insulting new users.  If this behavior ceased, I would be very willing to change my vote.
 * 12) I too concur with, Jwrosenzweig. Wikiquette and Wikilove are essential, perhaps the most important, qualities of an admin. I would be willing to support if Lucky became more mindfull of his behavior toward other users, no matter how frustrating.-JCarriker 03:56, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * 13) Darn. I like the guy, but his temper gets in the way, especially after seeing the abovementioned  and . Oppose - Ta bu shi da yu 08:24, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 14) Ejrrjs 12:32, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC) Oppose
 * 15) ElBenevolente 16:26, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC) Oppose.  Use of profanity-laced insults in user pages, as recent as this month, is uncalled for.
 * 16) Oppose.  Lucky69 could not resolve his conflicts and then up and quit a few months ago.  From what I remember and read here his posts were very POV, to the point where he wanted to do away with discussion and just speedy delete articles he did not like.  I fear he will do as he suggested and delete things without going though the proper process. ShaunMacPherson
 * 17) Oppose. I have not seen any marked change in his behaviour since the last time he was up for adminship. Too much of a loose cannon, bellicose. --Zanthalon,  01:55, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 18) Oppose with regret. Good user with a short temper, as by the comments above. -- Chris 73 Talk 13:33, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * 19) Oppose He or she has a short temper... Dont be mistaken, I have NEVER voted to oppose someone. But sorry.. squash 22:41, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * 20) I have changed my vote to Oppose with regret. An admin cannot afford to have a short fuse. Alphax (talk) 06:55, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)
 * 21) Oppose, reluctantly, for now. tregoweth 15:43, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

Neutral
 * Neutral for now. My only concern is that Lucky has been in the past considerably overzealous in tagging things for speedy deletion.  I'll only support him if he pledges to strictly abide by Deletion policy and Candidates for speedy deletion.  BLANKFAZE | (что??<b style="font-size:90%;">)</b> 02:08, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * You have my word and I'm certain that I can count on the guidance of experienced admins. I've seen what can happen out at the VfD page when things are deleted too soon and it sure ain't pretty. - Lucky 6.9 02:22, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * 1) I don't think I oppose outright, since he does do a lot of useful deletion work, but Lucky seems way to high-strung, and too personally offended by vandals. Recent things such as this do not help, in my mind. And what if he just takes off again? (Not that it would matter technically, but still...) Adam Bishop 02:46, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) *That edit is positively un-civil... and was just yesterday. Admins need to show maturity, rather than inflaming situations and using offensive language. Not so sure this is the face we want to show to newcomers, since admins are de facto representatives of Wikipedia. -- Netoholic @ 05:24, 2004 Oct 21 (UTC)
 * 3) Neutral. I echo the speedy deletion concern above. I've noticed quite a few questionable speedy deletion taggings by Lucky. He does tremendous RC patrolling, but double-checking of s by an(other) admin is still needed. — David Remahl 03:44, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 4) *I appreciate your concern. Again, I give you my word that I will abide by the rules.  Though a lot of my contribs as of late have been mostly janitorial, I hope you'll take my contribs to the content of this site as extremely valuable.  I'd be grateful for the opportunity to personally head off real vandalism and real destruction and to be more than merely a whistle-blower.  I've never knowingly harmed Wikipedia and if my passion tends to overflow, it's because of my inability at present to directly address real problems and real issues. - Lucky 6.9 04:58, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I can't support or oppose outright, but I am a bit concerned. With the candidate's admitted "temper tantrums" and the numerous protestations to the comments made here so far, not to sound cynical, but I am waiting for it to get ugly. Plus, no matter how the situation was resolved, if the user had an argument with another user that got ugly (even if they are friends now), I don't think I can support this. Newcomers should look to admins with respect and they don't always see the resolution, they sometimes just see the conflict. I'm not confident enough to support, but I'll review the contrib history before voting to oppose. Skyler1534 12:46, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) I don't really care if Lucky has a few choice words to say every now and then, but he has a very liberal idea of what qualifies as a speedy deletion candidate, and that makes me a bit uncomfortable with the idea of him having the power to delete articles. I also wish he wouldn't redirect things like movie stubs to actor articles. Everyking 15:58, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) Ultimately a very good contributor. But recent statements and actions (especially causing drama on missing wikipedians) stops me from supporting. Arminius 02:41, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 3) I'd really like to support him for the way he fights the vandals, but because of his broad understanding of speedy deletion material and the abuse highlighted above, I regretably can't support. Cool Hand  Luke  18:39, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Comments

 * Please note that the answers to the "Questions for the candidate" below were given by an IP user 67.52.188.182. If it was Lucky who wrote them, he needs to sign in before we can accept and consider them. -- Netoholic @ 21:06, 2004 Oct 20 (UTC)
 * It was me. I've got a glitch here on my computer at work that sometimes logs me out without my knowledge.  In fact, I got the message from Evercat that I'd been nominated right after logging on, came right over to answer the questions...and inadvertently did so as an anon.  Thank you for pointing that out. - Lucky 6.9 21:12, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * In regards to Gzornenplatz's legitimate concern, may I point out that I was acting in what I thought was the best interest of the site. Evercat took the time to point that same thing out to me earlier which, in roundabout fashion, lead to his renominating me for adminship.  Since I was redirecting many of the B-Movie Bandit substubs on the suggestion of an admin, I thought that redirecting "nanostubs" might be a better course of action than simply waiting for them to grow.  If my intentions were cause for concern, please accept my apologies and my word that I will no longer do so if that's what the community wishes. - Lucky 6.9 21:22, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * We need a link to the previous adminship request, and explanation of exactly what changed since. --Joy [shallot]   07:41, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Here is the last version before it was removed on Aug 15th 2004. -- Netoholic @ 07:53, 2004 Oct 21 (UTC)
 * Comment: The last nomination, folks were saying, "Let's see if he sticks around and doesn't get stressed out."  Well, we've seen.  As for people voting con on the basis of Lucky's stance on substubs, please recall that his view on substubs is not just his.  This is an issue that has divided the administrator community.  Where one person draws the line, another would move it.  However, I think the majority is against substubs that can't be expanded, and I hope most people have gotten past defending the -bot generated sentence fragment articles.  Geogre 13:56, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment to a new user by lucky not yet a week old. --ShaunMacPherson 19:37, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
 * 1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? (Please read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.)
 * A. We have a vandal bot running rampant on the site and have for months.  Those who know me well also know that I took a lead in the attempt to initiate policy change where the so-called B-Movie Bandit was concerned.  I'm pleased to say that those "contributions" have for the most part stopped and I can't thank everyone who contributed to the cause nearly enough.  I have always had this site's best interest at heart and I either tag these monstrosities for speedy deletion or, if the title is a useful one, make them into redirects.  It would be an honor as well as a pleasure to assist in reverting such wanton destruction.  Actually, I should clarify that statement to mean that the vandal bot entries can now be deleted on sight.  The Bandit has become something of a non-issue and some rather good short articles have grown from the initial entries.
 * 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
 * A. I'm quite pleased with several since I greatly enjoy writing and do it as a regular part of my day job.  I started Ridge Route, Wigwag and Mercedes-Benz 450SEL 6.9 and brought all three to featured status with the help of the community.  I contributed a vast amount of information to Ford Mustang, Felix the Cat and VW Type 2 and all three got featured status nods as well.  It's an almost spiritual experience to see an article you've toiled on featured on the main page for the world to see.
 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and will deal with it in the future?
 * A. LOL!  Well...yes.  I admit to having had a temper tantrum or two in the past and left the community only to return later as Netoholic correctly pointed out.  In my defense, I'd like to point out that it was the kind words of encouragement from lots of other users that convinced me of the folly of my ways and caused me to have a change of heart each time.  There are some truly wonderful folks here.  I've made it a point to avoid the more contentious areas of Wikipedia and to concentrate more on contributing to its general content.  It's also true that I've had issues with other users but those incidents have been more than resolved.  In fact, I'm pleased to say that I've not only made peace with the parties involved, I've gained some tremendous allies and yes, even Internet pen pals as well since coming to an understanding with each party.  Though the written word can be quite powerful, communicating in such a way between individuals can lead to misunderstandings.  The experience I've gained since first submitting my user name has been a fantastic learning experience and will be a tremendous help in dealing with contentious users in the future. It's sometimes easy to forget that there's a human being on the other side of the modem.  I've made friends, gained allies and I am genuinely proud to have contributed in a positive way.


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Wenzong

Wenzong is the temple name of several Chinese monarchs. It may refer to:

 * Emperor Wenzong of Tang (809-840), who reigned over the Tang dynasty between 826 and 840
 * Jayaatu Khan, Emperor Wenzong of Yuan (1304-1332), who reigned over the Yuan dynasty between 1328 and 1329 and again between 1329 and 1332
 * Xianfeng Emperor (1831-1861), born Yizhu, of the Qing dynasty, who served between 1850 and 1861

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Ninian (disambiguation)

Ninian may refer to:

People

 * Ninian, medieval Christian bishop who evangelized the Picts
 * Ninian Cockburn (died 1579), Scottish soldier
 * Ninian Edwards (1775–1833), American politician
 * Ninian Wirt Edwards (1809–1889), American politician
 * Ninian Stephen (1923–2017), Australian Governor-General
 * Ninian Crichton Stuart (born 1957), Scottish hereditary palace keeper
 * Lord Ninian Crichton-Stuart (1883–1915), Welsh politician

Places

 * Ninian (river), France
 * Ninian Central Platform, oil platform in the North Sea
 * Ninian Park, football stadium in Cardiff
 * St Ninian's Isle, Shetland

Other

 * Ninian, a character in Nintendo's Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade

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Narrow Water Castle

Narrow Water Castle (Caisleán an Chaoil; Ulster-Scots: Narra Wattèr Castle) is a 16th-century tower house and bawn near Warrenpoint in Northern Ireland. It is beside the A2 road and on the County Down bank of the Clanrye (Newry) River, which enters Carlingford Lough a mile to the south. It is a historic monument in state care in the townland of Narrow Water, in Newry and Mourne District Council district, at grid ref: J1256 1939.

History
Originally the site of a 13th century Norman keep (associated with Hugh de Lacy), a replacement tower house and bawn was built at Narrow Water (by the Magennis family) in the 16th century. The replacement structure, built in the 1560s, was a typical example of the tower houses built throughout Ireland at the time. This kind of building, often rectangular in plan and three or more storeys high, comprised a series of superimposed chambers, with stairs, closets and latrines built within the walls (which are 1.5 metres or five feet thick in places).

The castle was damaged during the Irish Rebellion of 1641, and sold to the Hall family in the 1670s. It was occupied by the Hall family until they built an "Elizabethan revival style" mansion (also called "Narrow Water Castle") in the early 19th century.

The original (16th century) Narrow Water Castle keep was given into state care in 1956. The more recent (19th century) mansion remains a private residence of the Hall family.

On 27 August 1979, 18 British Army soldiers were killed by a Provisional IRA ambush near Narrow Water Castle (see Narrow Water ambush). It was the greatest single loss of life for the British Army during The Troubles.

A bridge was proposed to be built near the castle in the early 21st century. However, in July 2013, Louth County Council announced that the projected costs were prohibitive and the project was not progressed at that stage. In 2023, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar committed to examining the feasibility of co-funding a Narrow Water Bridge.

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Talk:Isometric immersion

No, not a candidate for Wiktionary - this is a mathematics stub.

Charles Matthews 18:08, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Émile Lahoud

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I aint a supporter of Lahoud and i aint even lebanese and i know for a fact that this page is completely biased. As much as i dislike foreign influences i still think we should kepp this unbiased. Comon people...fix this shit up!

i think this page is biased. can any proof of syrian pressure be given? la gaie 18:08, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

“Whereas many Lebanese officers abandoned their personal lives during the war of liberation in the service of their country, Lahoud abandoned his professional responsibilities and spent his time philandering, playing poker, and swimming.” Even if true (I have no idea whether it is or not), this needs to be reworded. --Sesel 02:55, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm going to delete it as it's not referenced. Feel free to restore it if a credible publication can be cited as the source. SlimVirgin 23:02, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * The following also needs references or will have to be removed. Can the editor(s) who inserted it provide references? SlimVirgin 23:36, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

"Lahoud served under General Michel Aoun during the final years of the Lebanese Civil War (1975-90). Most military officers under Aoun's command were fiercely loyal to their leader during the bloody fighting that continued intermittently for the next six months. Lahoud, however, earned a reputation for cowardice and dereliction of duty that alienated his fellow officers. According to one officer who knew him well, any time a shell would land in the vicinity of his office, Lahoud would scramble into a bomb shelter in the basement. During much of the heaviest fighting, Lahoud left the complex entirely and stayed in the basement of the Al-Manar Hotel in Jounieh. 'He became the security barometer for many shop owners in Jounieh,' the officer told a Lebanese newspaper. 'Every time Lahoud used to come to Al-Manar Hotel, the shop owners and other Jounieh residents would realize that things were not normal and that fighting would start soon. Shops would close down and people used to evacuate the streets.'"

"In September, after an Arab League-brokered cease-fire took effect, Aoun fired him and Lahoud crossed over into Syrian-occupied west Beirut several weeks later."

"Meanwhile, the Syrians were looking for a Maronite military officer to assume the position of army commander for the pro-Syrian regime in west Beirut, which was endorsed by the 1989 Taif Agreement. Scores of Maronite army officers were offered the job, but they all turned the job down. Finally, Lahoud was offered the position. According to one source, Lahoud had connections to an influential Syria army officer, Ali Hammoud, who recommended him for the job."

As no one has responded, I've removed the first para above, which was the worst, and have left the other two, but I'll remove them tomorrow if no reference is forthcoming, so if anyone cares about this material, speak now. SlimVirgin 03:50, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

i just returned to this page, to find the above material deleted--while it certainly shows some bias, it also rings true with everything that i heard about Lahoud while visiting Lebanon last fall--as to the first post (dated much earlier), i think the Syrian influence is definitely attributable, if only for the fact that they changed the Lebanese constitution to allow Lahoud to remain in his position--a move that was roundly decried by Hariri, Jumblatt and many others...perhaps this needs to be noted in the piece, but in a more neutral tone ...i am currently reading 'Pity the Nation,' by Robert Fisk, and will look for more references to Lahoud DWittNYC

 * Yes, it may be true, but that's not the point; the point is that it needs a reference. SlimVirgin 07:38, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

Much of the material removed was taken verbatim from the Middle East Intelligence Bulletin and its "dossier" on Lahoud. --Sesel 13:54, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Bias?
I wonder if the following could be re-written, alternatively deleted: 'Hariri considered Lahoud to be a lightweight and a Syrian pawn who was undermining Lebanese institutions by backing the encroachment of secret police agencies that mirrored the ones running Syria: the role of the intelligence was no longer to keep up security, but to plant agents, generalize wiretapping, distribute newspaper articles, threaten judges, bind ministers and besiege members of Parliament.Lahoud and about 18 pro-Syrian ministers voted against any project Hariri proposed, from small items like buying land for new schools to economic reforms. At a 2002 meeting of international donors in Paris, the French president Chirac and Hariri managed to secure more than $4 billion in aid to Lebanon, which was heavily in debt, in exchange for economic reforms. Lahoud effectively blocked all the reforms.' What Rafik Hariri thought about Lahoud (to the extent this can be attributed to reputable sources) might not be that relevant. The remainder of the paragraph is highly controversial. To suggest that Lahoud and other 'pro-Syrian' ministers voted against 'any project Hariri proposed' seems like a statement if anything. I believe the allegation that 'Lahoud blocked all the reforms' need to be proved. Meanwhile, Hariri was one of the driving forces behind the Taif agreement, seems absurd to talk of the 'pro-Syrian' regime in West Beirut in this context as there was a broad consensus Syria would provide security. I will change this now. Tiller1 16:49, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Bias problems
This page is quite biassed in its tone, and also completely unsourced. The allegations of Lahoud's behaviour with regard to Hariri and the Syrians are not presented in a neutral way and the repetition of malicious gossip is not very neutral either. Palmiro | Talk 15:21, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Copyvio
I found a lot of plagiarism of material from the NYT, which I've removed. If anyone wants to restore it, it has to be written up properly and attributed, or else quoted, but bear in mind that if you do that, you'll need to look for balancing material, because the article is so short that the NYT material and POV will overwhelm it. SlimVirgin (talk) 16:57, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * the problem is that this individual is widely known for his unpopularity and lack of a popular mandate in Lebanon, and much of what has been written about him reflects that. to some extent, he is notable for his unpopularity. moreover, this is not outright bias because it consistently references the opinions of 3d parties (in line with wikipedia policies). let's get this clear, I have no stake in disparaging this guy, he just happens to be a widely disdained leader. although i agree that we need to source all of this, my experiences travelling in and reading about lebanon convince me that this article is very much in line with common knowledge about him. Interestingstuffadder 17:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * If the only source is the NYT, then we've effectively handed the page to their reporter. SlimVirgin (talk) 18:07, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Umm...the NYT reporter is not stating an opinion. He is discussing incidents that occured and information that he has gathered. Are you accuising the NYT reporter of fabricating information? I have never, anywhere else on wikipedia, seen an article in a major newspaper struck down as an unreliable source for an assertion. Or are you implying that we need more than one source for this? Where else on wikipedia or in wikipedia policy is it required that more than one reliable source be provided for an assertion? Interestingstuffadder 18:16, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Political life
Hello, all. It really doesn't make sense to restore material that is unsourced. The rule (often broken) in WikiP is to rely upon sources. I'm assuming everybody knows that, but I could be wrong in this particular case. I am again removing the unsourced sentences — well, because they lack sources! (really, I don't care a whit about Émile Lahoud one way or the other). This is the section I am referring to —

"A Maronite military officer was needed to assume the position of army commander for the West Beirut-based Lebanese government endorsed by the 1989 Taif Agreement. Lahoud was offered the position. According to one source, Lahoud had connections to an influential Syrian army officer, Ali Hammoud, who recommended him for the job."

Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 13:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Life Style
This is just a cheapshot. Wikipedia is clearly being overrun by appologists for US government policy.

 * Meets wikipedia standards for inclusion -- notable, in that it got a lot of attention in the aftermath of Hariri's death and is frequent fodder for Lahoud's critics within and outside of Lebanon. Verifiable in that it references one of the world's top newspapers. thus, the "personal life" section should remain. Interestingstuffadder 16:55, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Might be worth including in a "Criticisms" section, but certainly not in a "Personal life" section. My God, this article is biased. ← A NAS  Talk? 12:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

honours
Should the article be filled with honors? I think it should be deleted, instead his relations with Syrian government and the role of this in political assassinations in Lebanon should be given. Because there is hardly reference to it. Egeymi (talk) 15:27, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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Sony HiFD

The Sony HiFD (High capacity Floppy Disk) was a high-capacity floppy disk system developed by Sony and Fujifilm and introduced in late 1998. Development and sale of the drives was discontinued by early 2001.

Announced in October 1997, HiFD disks offered a capacity of 200 MB while maintaining backwards compatibility with standard 720 KB and 1.44 MB diskettes. Sony initially planned to begin shipping the drives in the first half of 1998, however, the introduction was delayed until the end of the year. TEAC and Alps also planned to introduce HiFD drives. The first drives to reach the public were external parallel port models priced at $199. An internalATA version was later offered, with a SCSI version planned but never launched. IBM offered an internal HiFD drive as an option on some of its workstations in 2000.

Its immediate competitors were the popular Iomega Zip drive, which had a capacity of 100 MB and Imation's Laser-Servo LS-120 SuperDisk, which had a capacity of 120 MB and like HiFD was also compatible with existing floppy disk formats. Many observers confidently predicted that the HiFD would swiftly take over the market, and ultimately replace the floppy drive.

This did not happen, however. A few months after launch it emerged that the HiFD suffered from frequent crashes during read/write operations, and had a tendency of having its read rate drop into the low kilobyte per second range, effectively rendering it unusable. Initially it was thought that a new driver could solve these problems – instead, Sony issued a full recall at the start of the following year.

The HiFD was re-released in November 1999, using a USB connection for the external drive. The whole affair gave the HiFD a reputation for being unreliable, and by this time the Zip drive now sported a 250 MB capacity and CD-RW drives were entering the mainstream. These factors doomed the second HiFD to failure.

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Mexborough

Mexborough is a town in the City of Doncaster in South Yorkshire, England. Situated between Manvers and Denaby Main, it lies on the River Don close to where it joins the River Dearne, and the A6023 road runs through the town. It is contiguous with the town of Swinton which is directly to the southwest immediately across the railway and Conisbrough to the east.

Historically part of the West Riding of Yorkshire, Mexborough has a population of 14,750, increasing to a ward population of 15,244 at the 2011 Census.

Topnym
The name of Mexborough is a combination of an Old English or Old Norse personal name, which may be Meke, Muik, Meoc or Mjukr, and the suffix burh, meaning a fortified place in Anglo-Saxon Old English.

History
Mexborough is located at the north-eastern end of a dyke known as the Roman Ridge, which is thought to have been constructed either by the Brigantian tribes in the 1st century AD, perhaps as a defence against the Roman invasion of Britain, or after the 5th century to defend the British kingdom of Elmet from the Angles.

The earliest known written reference to Mexborough is found in the Domesday Book of 1086 (Mechesburg), which states that before the Norman Conquest of England the area had been controlled by the Saxon lords Wulfheah and Ulfkil. Following the Conquest, the area fell under the control of the Norman Baron Roger de Busli. The remains of an earthwork in Castle Park are thought to have been a motte-and-bailey castle constructed in the 11th century shortly after the Conquest.

St John the Baptist's Church includes elements that date from the 12th century. A few other pre-1800 buildings remain, including several public houses: the Ferryboat Inn, the George and Dragon, the Bull's Head and the Red Lion. Most of the buildings in the town are post-1800.

Throughout the 18th, 19th and much of the 20th century the town's economy was based around coal mining, quarrying, brickworks and the production of ceramics, and it soon became a busy railway junction. These industries led to an increase in industrial illness and an increase in the mortality rate. Although the town boasted a cottage hospital, the lack of suitable facilities led to Lord Montagu donating land for a new hospital to be built. Lord Montagu laid the first stone at the site in 1904. The site is still a working hospital, which now forms part of the Doncaster and Bassetlaw NHS trust.

The industries that led to the creation of Montagu Hospital not only brought problems to the town but also led to an increase in population and, for some, an increase in wealth and opportunity. Many more public houses and other businesses were created, many of which are still trading today. It was in one of these public houses, the Montagu Arms, that Stan Laurel stayed overnight after performing at the town's Prince of Wales Theatre on 9 December 1907. During the second half of the 19th century, as in many other industrial towns, a Cooperative Society was formed in Mexborough. It was modelled on the consumer cooperative set up by the Rochdale Pioneers in 1844. In 1861, nine working men met at the home of James Simpson in Mexborough and decided to form the Mexborough Working Men's Industrial Society (later renamed the Mexborough Cooperative Society). The aim of the Society was to supply (at first to the nine men themselves) the necessary things of life. Membership quickly grew and by the 1890s it stood at 1,200. At one time, there were ten shops across the built-up area of Mexborough. By 1903, land had been purchased in the middle of Mexborough on which to build a large and grand new central store, but then suddenly in 1904 the Mexborough Cooperative Society went into liquidation. Soon afterwards it was taken over by the Barnsley British Co-operative Society. One of Mexborough's landmarks is closely associated with the Cooperative Society. This is the former Barnsley British Cooperative Society flour mill, which stands on the north side of the River Don Navigation, close to the Church of St John the Baptist. It started off as the "Don Roller Mills". It was owned by James White, who sold it to the Barnsley British Cooperative Society in 1912.

For more than a hundred years the railway locomotive maintenance and stabling depot (colloquially known as "Mexborough Loco") was a major employer. The South Yorkshire, Doncaster and Goole Railway arrived in Mexborough in 1850. The extensive coal traffic generated by the local collieries required railway locomotives to haul it and these locomotives required driving, firing, refuelling, maintenance and stabling. Mexborough was chosen as the site for a large 15-road depot. In its heyday it had an allocation of about 150 locomotives. In the 1920s it was the stabling point for the LNER Garratt, then the most powerful locomotive in the UK. The depot closed in 1964. Following the demise of coal-mining in the 1980s, Mexborough, like many ex-mining towns and villages, is still in the process of economic and social recovery.

Ceramics
The Rock Pottery originally operated as Beevers & Ford. In 1839 it was bought by James Reed, whose son John renamed the business the "Mexborough Pottery", and expanded the works. On the bankruptcy of the Rockingham Pottery in 1842, John Reed bought many of its moulds and continued their production, though with different transfer prints and also in a plain green with a leaf design impressed "Reed".

Politics
Before 2010, Mexborough was in the Barnsley East and Mexborough constituency. Since then, it has been in the Doncaster North constituency, whose current MP is Ed Miliband, former leader of the Labour Party.

Local party Mexborough First did hold all three seats in the Mexborough ward on Doncaster Metropolitan Borough Council but following the defection of Bev Chapman to Labour it (Mexborough First) only holds two seats.

In late 2023, Glenn Bluff, Doncaster City Councillor for neighbouring Adwick-on-Dearne in the Sprotbrough ward and Parish Councillor for Neighbouring Barnburgh and Harlington announced he was standing against sitting MP Ed Miliband in the next General Election and one of his first priorities was a town council for Mexborough, a concept known locally as Mexit. In December 2023, a meeting was held and jointly hosted by Bev Chapman and Glenn Bluff, from opposing parties to push forward the concept of a town council that has since received local support and has a facebook page.

Rail
Mexborough railway station is located on the south bank of the River Don on Station Road, a short cul-de-sac off the A6023 Greens Way dual carriageway on the south side of the town. It is served by local stopping trains towards Doncaster and Sheffield, operated by Northern Trains, with generally an hourly service in each direction.

Bus
Mexborough also has a bus station in the town centre, Mexborough Interchange, operated by Travel South Yorkshire. The Interchange is located between the A6023 Greens Way dual carriageway, John Street, Main Street and Hartley Street, around 100 m from Mexborough High Street and 500 m on foot from Mexborough railway station.

The bus station consists of three stands (numbered A1–A3) located in a bus-only lay-by on the northern side of the eastbound carriageway of Greens Way, a single stand (numbered B1) at a right angle to these accessed from John Street, and three stands (numbered HS1–HS3) situated a short distance away at the side of Hartley Street. The three sets of stands are in close proximity, linked by car parks and pathways. The majority of bus routes traverse Mexborough town centre on a one-way loop, with the Greens Way stops serving routes heading generally eastbound towards Doncaster and the Hartley Street stops serving westbound services towards Barnsley and Rotherham.

Mexborough Interchange was built by the South Yorkshire Passenger Transport Executive in the early 1990s, replacing bus stops in both directions on the High Street which was subsequently pedestrianised. When the Interchange first opened, there was a staffed ticket office and indoor waiting area with toilet facilities located in a small building between the Greens Way stands and John Street. However, around the time of the beginning of the Great Recession, the staffed ticket office was closed and all facilities inside were sealed off as an austerity measure. , the stand allocation is:

Education
Mexborough has one secondary school (Laurel Academy) and many primary schools.

Media
Local news and television programmes are provided by BBC Yorkshire and ITV Yorkshire. Television signals are received from the Emley Moor TV transmitter.

Local radio stations are BBC Radio Sheffield, Heart Yorkshire, Capital Yorkshire, Greatest Hits Radio Yorkshire (formerly Trax FM), TX1 Radio, Hallam FM, and Rotherham Radio, a community based station which broadcast from the town.

The town is served by the local newspapers, Dearne Valley Weekender and Doncaster Free Press.

Sport
Mexborough has been represented in the FA Cup by four different football teams – Mexborough Locomotive Works, Mexborough St. Johns, Mexborough West End and Mexborough Town.

The last of the four was the most prominent and won the Yorkshire Football League in 1973.

Notable people

 * Keith Barron – actor
 * Walter Bennett – footballer, Sheffield United & Bristol City
 * Brian Blessed – actor
 * Eric Brook – footballer
 * Sally Carman – actress
 * Dan Clarke – motor racing driver formerly driving for Minardi Team USA in the Champ Car World Series
 * Katie Edwards – writer
 * Albert Fox – trade unionist
 * William Hackett – Royal Engineers tunneller, awarded the Victoria Cross 1916
 * William 'Iron' Hague – British heavyweight boxing champion 1908–11
 * Kenneth Haigh – actor
 * Mike Hawthorn – motor-racing driver and 1958 Formula 1 World Champion
 * Ted Hughes – Poet Laureate, 1984–98
 * Darren Johnson – Professional darts player
 * Peter Kitchen – professional footballer
 * Harold Massingham – poet
 * Ian Parks – poet
 * Dennis Priestley – professional darts player, twice world darts champion 1991 and 1994
 * Geoff Salmons, professional footballer, most notably with Sheffield United
 * Lionel Smith (born 23 August 1920) – professional footballer, for Mexborough Albion and Denaby United before making 162 appearances for Arsenal
 * Karen Walker – footballer, played for England, Doncaster Belles and Leeds United
 * Donald Watson – founder of The Vegan Society
 * John William Wall (pen name Sarban) – author whose works include the novel The Sound of His Horn and the collection Ringstones

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fire Hoez

Fire Hoez was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. 5 votes to delete. Postdlf 21:08, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Fire Hoez
More fiction from 139.142.154.129. Delete. —No-One Jones (m) 18:10, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC) This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like other '/delete' pages is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion or on the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.
 * Fire Hoez is sure to go down in history as ... having starred on Wikipedia:Deletion Log --Ianb 22:56, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Have we blocked these feebs yet? Vandalism. Geogre 01:27, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Garage band vanity.   — Gwalla | Talk 23:06, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. NeoJustin 04:09 Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Rappers Rap Group

The Rappers Rap Group was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was KEEP. 2 votes to keep, 1 vote to redirect, 1 vote to delete. Postdlf 21:10, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The Rappers Rap Group
The people exist, the band look like they exist but the group or the record label doesn't seem to. At least, MusicMatch and Google have no clue about it. Non-notable? Fictitious? -Vina 18:13, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the deal is, but this article is rather identical to King M.C. & D.J. Flash. Redirect to that article: which then itself might want vfding. --jpgordon {gab} 19:01, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * KEEP. WTF? Rappers Rap Group are/were a legitimate rap group.  They are even listed on VH1.COM and AMAZON.COM on the album West Coast Rap Volume 1: The First Dynasty with their track "Rappin Partee Groove".  These people are an important part of early and formative hip-hop culture.  Stop using ignorance and Google as an excuse to VfD.  If anything "King M.C. & D.J. Flash" should be redirected to this article and merged into it, not the other way around. --Radman1 18:40, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep this. Intrigue 20:34, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Paolo Vanoli

Paolo Vanoli (born 12 August 1972) is an Italian professional football coach and a former player who played as a left back or left midfielder. He is the head coach of club Torino.

Club career
Vanoli, a journeyman, played for many clubs, including Hellas Verona, Parma, and Fiorentina (for 9 billion lire fee in co-ownership deal; €4.648 million ), having also two spells abroad: Scottish Premier League club Rangers from August 2003 to January 2005,  scoring once against Dundee, and Akratitos in Greece (2005–06).

While at Parma, Vanoli won both the UEFA Cup and Coppa Italia in 1999, and then in 2001 won the Coppa Italia again with Fiorentina, this time beating his former team Parma in the final. Vanoli scored in all three finals.

International career
Vanoli was also an Italian international, playing twice and scoring once on his debut in a 3–1 defeat against Belgium in 1999.

International goals
''Colombia score listed first, score column indicates score after each Vanoli goal.

Managerial career
Between 2016 and 2017, Vanoli was the assistant manager of the Italy national football team. He was then appointed as assistant manager of Chelsea, serving in the role from 2017 to 2018.

On 17 December 2021, Vanoli joined Spartak Moscow as manager, signing a contract until the end of the 2022–23 season. On 29 May 2022, Spartak won the 2021–22 Russian Cup. The club announced on 9 June 2022 that Vanoli had left his post, citing a number of circumstances "beyond the club's control," in other words, the Russian Invasion of Ukraine, even though first in March he announced he would continue.

On 7 November 2022, Vanoli was hired as the new head coach of Serie B struggling club Venezia, signing a contract until 30 June 2024. In his second season in charge, Vanoli guided Venezia to Serie A promotion after defeating Cremonese in a two-legged playoff. On 20 June 2024, Vanoli and Venezia parted ways by mutual consent.

On 21 June 2024, Vanoli signed a two-year contract with Serie A club Torino.

Player
Varese
 * Serie C2: 1989-90

Parma
 * UEFA Cup: 1998–99
 * Coppa Italia: 1998–99
 * Supercoppa Italiana: 1999

Fiorentina
 * Coppa Italia: 2000–01

Coach
Italy U19
 * UEFA European Under-19 Championship runner-up: 2016

Spartak Moscow
 * Russian Cup: 2021–22

Venezia
 * Serie B: Playoff Final winners 2024

Personal life
He has an older brother, Rodolfo, who is also a former footballer and current coach.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Freetown-Lakeville Middle School (0th nomination)

Freetown-Lakeville Middle School was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. 14 votes to delete, 7 votes to keep. Postdlf 21:21, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Freetown-Lakeville Middle School
Too short a history (~ 2 years) to be notable. Mandel 18:15, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete along with other contiguous schools. Fails to meet the high bar for pre-university school notability. 17 pieces of cruft. Oy. --Improv 20:31, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete all 17. -- WOT 21:48, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep all. Why do people keep listing these high schools on VfD, they don't get deleted and it just wastes everyone's time. - SimonP 22:01, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * It is not a high school. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 23:16, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * People keep on listing these drivel and people keep on voting delete so that eventually, Wikipedia will BE a encyclopedia, as opposed to a collection of drivel and trash. Are you pro-knowledge or pro-garbage? -Vina 23:46, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm pro-information. If any article is factual, informative and noteworthy then it should be kept.  How is this trash? Radman1 19:47, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep all articles about schools or people. anthony (see warning) 23:25, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-notable school. Fire Star 22:59, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, also fails to meet the middle bar and the low bar for pre-university school notability. I live within twenty miles of it and never heard of it. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 23:16, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete all 17, schools in an of themselves are not notable outside of their locality or outside of their alumni. -Vina 23:44, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * deleteWyllium 01:07, 2004 Oct 21 (UTC)
 * Delete - Alren 03:28, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. I didn't see anything in the article denoting notability. Average Earthman 08:16, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Abstain At the time I created this, it was so the List of schools in the United States would have fewer red articles.  Someone removed those links anyways.  Sahasrahla 20:48, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * I believe you, and you can't be blamed. That article has caused no end of trouble.  First, it had a noisy and ill-tempered VfD debate.  At the conclusion of it, people there agreed, roughly, that, well, the links to high schools could stay, but not the middle and lower schools.  From that, a person began saying there was a "consensus that high schools are automatically in" in article space.  No one can be blamed for going to the list article and filling in a red link, but no policy ever got adopted, so we're back to the same deletion guidelines for schools as for anything else.  Most of them fail because the school article fails to show notability of the particular school.  At least that's what I've gotten from the repeated battles and the multiple fat lips I've gotten through the last year or so.  Geogre 01:23, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Retain - Yes, it may not be of any use to those who do not live in the area, but all schools should be kept because they are useful to parents looking for information on their local schools. Since wikipedia can hold an infinite amount of pages, there is no reason to delete perfectly useful, good NPOV information which someone will find useful or interesting. Nicholas 18:36, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Infinite? Infinite? Goodness, that's really a lot. Are you sure it's not finite? By the way, during the last fund drive I made a small donation to Wikimedia Foundation to help them buy some of those infinitely-large disk drives... and I hope you did, too. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 03:10, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * D Unless the school system there is entirely screwed up, children go to the school designated for their area by the local authority. As always, the good old yardstick - if you can remove the names, numbers and dates and there's nothing left that will positively identify the school, then it's not staying. Chris 02:26, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Unless the school is notable, DELETE--[[User:Plato|Comrade Nick @  )---^-- ]] 10:35, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. NeoJustin 04:41 Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep - factual, verifiable entry. Mark Richards 17:06, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Indrian 17:12, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Agree with Anthony and Mark Richards.  Radman1 19:44, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep this. Schools are notable. Notability is not a deletion criteria. Intrigue 20:42, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep all 17, et al. GRider 21:41, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Article looks nice, but this sort of information belongs on a school website, not in an encyclopedia. Isomorphic 23:50, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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George Hewison

George Hewison (born 1944) is a Canadian folk singer, trade unionist and former politician. He was formerly a long-time member of the Communist Party of Canada and served as the party's general secretary from 1988 to 1992.

Early life
Hewison's father, "Jack" Hewison, immigrated to Canada from Scotland and settled in Campbell River, British Columbia, where he worked as a fisherman and became secretary of his union local. He was a founding member of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation but became disillusioned with the CCF during the Cold War. He joined the Labor-Progressive Party (as the Communist Party was known) in 1953 after CCF leaders supported a raid by Hal Banks and the Seafarers International Union against Hewison's union, the United Fishermen and Allied Workers' Union. Prior to the raid, the UFAWU had been expelled from the Trades and Labour Congress of Canada because of its Communist leadership.

Hewison grew up in Campbell River, British Columbia, selling the party press and joined the Communist Party and the fishermen's union at the age of 17. He grew up in a musical family before television and made his first public performance when his voice changed from soprano to bass in 1960. In addition to his labour and political activism, Hewison has always seen music as an essential part of his life.

Trade unionism
In 1965 he became a full-time organizer for his union and in 1973, Hewison was elected business agent for the United Fishermen and Allied Workers Union in British Columbia, and became the union's secretary-treasurer in 1977, remaining in the position until 1985 when he left the union to move to Toronto to become the labour secretary on the Communist Party's Central Executive Committee.

While an officer of his union, Hewison represented west coast fishermen in bilateral government to government negotiations with the United States on boundary and fisheries issues. He headed many lobbies to the provincial and nation's capital. As Vice President of the Vancouver and District Labour Council, he initiated the massive resistance to the 26 pieces of legislation brought forward by the British Columbia Social Credit Party government in 1983 that later evolved into "Operation Solidarity". Throughout this period, he continued to use his voice and guitar as his favourite tools to advance the interests of working people.

General Secretary of the CPC
Hewison succeeded William Kashtan as general secretary of the Communist Party of Canada in 1988 at a time when the Communist world was being convulsed by Mikhail Gorbachev's reforms in the Soviet Union. He was leader of the Canadian party when the USSR and the Soviet bloc collapsed. The Communist Party of Canada had long been relatively uncritical supporters of Moscow, not least Hewison himself, and was severely disoriented by the collapse of Soviet Communism in Eastern Europe. As a major discussion about the causes for the collapse of the Soviet Union and the significance for Communists in Canada and internationally opened, the leadership of the party under Hewison's leadership began to increasingly question the legacy of Stalinism within the Party. The group was eventually challenged by a pro-Leninist faction, led by previous leader William Kashtan and future leaders Miguel Figueroa and Elizabeth Rowley among others, who accused him of "revisionism."

Hewison was unanimously re-elected leader at the party's next convention in 1992 which produced a new manifesto called "Communists and the New Decade" (1990s) and the slogan "Its a good time to be a communist". A critical faction, however, was also elected by convention to the Party's Central Committee, but were defeated in elections to top positions in the Party. They nevertheless continued to resist the direction the Hewison leadership was heading, which was opposed by a significant number of the Party membership especially in the Atlantic, Ontario, Manitoba and British Columbia, with Hewison's main supporters in Quebec and Alberta.

Party split
Long-standing financial support from the Soviet Union to the Communist Party of Canada was discontinued, and later other business arrangements such as cultural-exchange deals from which the Party benefited helped created financial pressures on the party in terms of its ability to continue to finance a large staff, headquarters, maintain a print shop, a publishing house and two weekly newspapers (Canadian Tribune and Pacific Tribune). The leadership led by Hewison argued the Party was in financial crisis.

As the confrontation exploded in the Party, the pro-Leninist faction (led by Elizabeth Rowley) forced the Hewison group into court. Meanwhile the provincial conventions of the CPC in BC, Manitoba and Ontario voted-out the Hewison leadership. After strained years for the CPC an out-of-court settlement took place between the two sides, in which those siding with Hewison surrendered the Party's name, but not the newspaper.

In the meantime, hundreds of party activists, frustrated with the paralytic debate between the factions, had left the party. During the inner-party crisis, the membership dropped from almost 2000 to about 800, which included many links with organized labour as well as the entire Party in Quebec and much of the Party organization in Alberta. The out-of-court settlement also mandated the splitting of the old party's assets, with the out-going leadership undertaking to leave the Communist Party. The Canadian Tribune and the Cecil-Ross Society (a society with strict injunctions on use of funds) were allotted to the group around Hewison. Those funds were allocated according to the rules of the Societies Act.

Cecil-Ross Society and musical career
The Cecil-Ross Society leadership which left the party, as their critics had alleged, attempted to broaden the appeal for their press by dropping their previous ideological "baggage" and included other socialists. For a variety of reasons, the New Times, which was meant to be a broad left periodical, failed after only two issues. The Cecil-Ross Society in British Columbia also attempted to publish another magazine, Ginger, but it failed as well. Within a few years, the group folded and the remaining funds from the group were dispensed to the constituent parts throughout Canada.

Today, Hewison continues to play a role in the labour and progressive movements for which he was a part for half a century. He was recently honoured as a "Pioneer of Labour" by the Peterborough and District Labour Council. He has continued to link music with labour and social activism and is the founder and lead singer of the "Rank n File Band", created by the Canadian Auto Workers union. He has produced five albums over a fifty years span, and has written scores of songs for, and performed at, conventions of virtually every major labour organization in the country.

Hewison has toured extensively and most recently performed at the Illawarra Folk Festival in Australia and the Mariposa Folk Festival and Miners Memorial weekend in Canada as well at Joe Hill's birthplace in Gavle in Sweden. He has also performed and recorded with "Joe Hill" composer, Earl Robinson. His latest album is entitled "Uncharted Waters". He also continues to study contemporary capitalism and conducts classes in political economy, blogging on his website.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Venango Catholic High School

Venango Catholic High School was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. 8 votes to delete (not including 3 "bootstrapped" votes), 2 votes to keep. Postdlf 21:24, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Venango Catholic High School
Poor write-up. Not notable. Mandel 18:16, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-notable school. Fire Star 22:59, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete. Not notable. P. Riis 00:18, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * deleteWyllium 01:08, 2004 Oct 21 (UTC)
 * Delete. Very short article, and nothing in it to denote notability. Average Earthman 08:17, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Count in 3 more delete votes from Improv, WOT and Vina. See above. Mandel 09:02, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't think these votes count; I'm sure that certain people will say that they don't and that they will cause disagreementVfD decisions not backed by current policies/poll. Could Improv, WOT and Vina please add their own separate votes.  Mozzerati 21:48, 2004 Oct 23 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable- no notable achievements, educators or alumni. Plus its a crap article --Cynical 20:28, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * D See what I mean about being a generic article? Without looking at the title, name that school:  (and I did put it back the way it was) Chris 02:29, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Please everyone stop making articles about high schools, middle schools, and elementary schools unless something big happens like what happened to Columbine. NeoJustin 04:09 Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep - factual, verifiable entry. Mark Richards 17:06, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep this. Schools are notable. Notability is not a deletion criteria. Intrigue 20:42, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Hawaiian name

'okina
I would suggest two things: 1) Do not treat " ‘ " as a separate letter for listing, as most users coming here will not know if a name starts with the ‘okina. Hawaiian-English dictionaries do not treat the ‘okina that way (‘a comes after a). 2) No need for an "unsorted" list. Just put the name in the proper place in the list and maybe do not bold if lacking information about it (like proper Hawaiian spelling). Names unbolded are essentially suggestions for further development, but are presumably "real" Hawaiian names in use - Marshman 18:17, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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External link
I added the external link "Hawaiian Naming Practices" in August 2006 and it was there until JereKrischel deleted it in February (together with another link that was clearly nonsense).The link I put back contains original material not found in books and gives useful background information about Hawaiian names in the nineteenth century, and the formation of surnames.It is one of the sources of this article (that is practically written by me). It is not commercial.If this link isn't acceptable, I'm mystified why the Star Bulletin link(also added by me) is?

By the way, I do appreciate it that somebody wipes out spam links and silly contributions to this article .There is a lot of nonsense written about Hawaiian names in the web.

Makaokalani 13:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Mahalo Makaokalani for your comment. Could it be more appropriate to cite the article you're mentioning, rather than simply external linking it?  It seems that at least some of that content could be included here, with a simple:

 * It seems like it isn't a very reliable source all in all, even though some of the information is interesting. I'd be curious as to who "Marina Kaina" referenced by the article really is, and where "Target Your Hawaiian Genealogy and others as well" was ever published.  Perhaps we could find better sources? --JereKrischel 06:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I haven't seen the publication so I cannot use it as a reference. Can you find it in book form? You judge the link by its author, I judge it by contents. The most convincing part of the website "Hawaiian Roots" is a list of Ka Hae Hawaii obituaries 1857-61. Somebody who knows Hawaiian has been alphabetizing the names, but sadly stopped half way through. Completed, it would be a fine sample of nineteenth-century Hawaiian names. Maybe you don't find them as fascinating as I do?

I will be delighted if you find a better external link. There isn't much choice. See User_talk:Marshman Almost anything worthwhile written about Hawaiian names seems to go back to Pukui&Elbert(&Mo'okini).Patrick Ka'ano'i&Robert Snakenberg have written a book translating English names into Hawaiian, but the way I see it this article tells about actual usage, it's not a list of name suggestions.Makaokalani 13:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

 * One of the best sources and the one I've been using was from Mary K. Pukui's book NANA I KE KUMU vol. 1., page 94 where she goes into the various naming practices. In my 23 years of genealogy research into many different parts of the Hawaiian islands, and specifically going through many old Hawaiian newspapers like Ka Makaainana, Ka Hae Hawaii, Ke Kuokoa and a few others where they list many genealogical information, genealogy trees and birth/marriage/death announcements, I am well accustomed and semi-familiar with specific geographic family names, both given names and surnames. Mamoahina (talk) 15:27, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia or Wiktionary
I'm mystified by these Wiktionary tags. Can somebody explain where should this article be, in the Wikipedia or Wiktionary?

I could split in into two parts,"Hawaiian name" and "List of Hawaiian names", with a little editing.If the "List of Hawaiian names" must go into the Wiktionary (which is a bad idea in my opinion) could some technically gifted person fix the 'okina template in the Transwiki version and change its name into "Appendix:Hawaiian given names"? I dare not delete anything from either side before the Wiktionary version is readable.

This name list includes etymologies, a rough estimate of the popularity of each name,notes on well-known name bearers,links to Wikipedia articles on plants, history,etc. Meanwhile the "Given name appendices" in the Wiktionary are mostly just lists of names, sometimes with etymologies, but nothing extra. Suppose somebody decides that "This Hawaiian name list is too encyclopedic" and wipes out all the extra information?

Or are the Wiktionary name lists supposed to be edited to contain information like this one? I could edit many of them, but what's the point? If you are really interested in, say, German names you can consult the German Wikipedia. Names in endangered languages deserve special treatment because there is no Hawaiian Wikipedia (that could be taken seriously).The Wiktionary starts from the premise that there is an established set of given names in every language. But Hawaiian names are still being made. How many do you want - I have a list of about 4,000? Have you tried making a list of all Chinese given names?

On the other hand there is not enough material to make an article on each name and a category. Besides a plain list of names tells you nothing. Names are most meaningful as a group,with explanations and data on their frequency.

Could the Wiktionary name lists be made more accessible? They are almost impossible to find. An ordinary Wiktionary user won't have any idea that they even exist. I don't like to throw my work down into a black hole.

I'll be here at the same time tomorrow.Makaokalani 11:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm still not entirely certain myself what to do with all these lists. I originally wrote the first drafts of this list, and the lists of Hebrew names and Arabic names too.  The other lists were moved to Wiktionary appendices too, and I've never been clear on how to transwiki the Wikipedia name subject articles and the Wiktionary appendices with one another.  As for the okina template, I wrote that too—I can make sure it's copied over. - Gilgamesh 18:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Wiktionary now has a corresponding okina template. - Gilgamesh 18:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

 * In my view this article should stay also in the Wikipedia. Some redundancy (the names with explanations) will not harm either Wikipedia nor Wiktionary. This list is definitely more than a dictionary entry (see also Talk:Hawaiian name/deletion). By the way there is a Hawaiian Wikipedia. --ThT 02:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

List of names?
I have a problem with "lists of names" (I mean people names): they can never be complete. I think some particularly dim people may become confused an believe if it's not on the list, it's not a Hawaiian name. The truth is, when you say "this is an list of Hawaiian names in an encyclopedia", you imply that it's a complete list, as encyclopedias are supposed to document as much as possible. Anyway, I changed the section title to "List of Common Hawaiian Names", as that's really what it is. The first line even states that it is only for names known to be possessed be a certain number of people. It is the nature of first names, especially nowadays, to be changed and altered as suit the chooser's whim, or made up from various sources. Making the list of common names eliminates the need to add anomalous names that are Hawaiian but not really used. Please discuss if you want to change it. Garnet avi (talk) 04:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Delete the "List of Hawaiian Names""/Third try
The name list was kept due to my stupid insistence. Now I've finally seen the light. Wiktionary:Appendix:Hawaiian given names is a better version of this name list. I've come to like the Wiktionary, and I've made many separate entries for Hawaiian names there. They can be linked to Wikipedia when needed. None of the other Wikipedia articles on names have lists of this kind; it's confusing, and an invitation to erratic changes that no one can control. For example, Kaniela has become Kaniala, and non-existent "data" has been added to some names. The only way to prevent that would be adding footnotes to all the 300+ names, doubling the size of the article which is over 39 kilobytes already. And who will check that each new name has the required 3 bearers? The Wiktionary version is easy to control since it is just a frequency report. Any new names can be added as separate words in the Wiktionary, and included in the Wiktionary:Category:Hawaiian given names.

I've checked the new names added since 2007, and made Wiktionary entries for the new Pane and Kahalaomāpuana. Kalokuokamaile might not meet the CFI, since it's restricted to one family only. Anybody who feels that his contribution has been overlooked can try adding it in the Wiktionary. Unless somebody makes a strong case for keeping, I will delete the list of names one week from now. The descriptive part (Meanings of Names to Popularity Surveys) remains in the Wikipedia. I'll add footnotes and new material then .--Makaokalani (talk) 13:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Kina'u
By the way, Queen Lili'uokalani was named after the event surrounding Kina'u's condition, not named by her. Kina'u was suffering from eye pain at that time, hence she was given both lili'u and ka maka 'eha. In her autobiography she mentioned how her brother King Kalakaua changed her name to Lili'uokalani. Mamoahina (talk) 15:18, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

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SCE

SCE is an abbreviation with multiple meanings:

Science

 * Short-channel effect, a secondary effect describing the reduction in threshold voltage Vth in MOSFETs with non-uniformly doped channel regions as the gate length increases
 * Saturated calomel electrode, a commonly used reference electrode used in pH measurement and general aqueous electrochemistry
 * Subcutaneous emphysema, air trapped in the subcutaneous layer of the tissues
 * Sister chromatid exchange, the exchange of genetic material between two identical sister chromatids
 * Standard Canadian English, the variety of Canadian English spoken particularly across Ontario and Western Canada.

Education

 * Scottish Certificate of Education was a certificate of the Scottish Secondary Education system incorporating Standard and Higher Grades
 * Sami Shamoon College of Engineering, a STEM-oriented college in southern Israel
 * School of Continuing Education, an adult continuing education school in Orange County, California
 * School of Continuing Education, Hong Kong Baptist University, one of the seven schools of the Hong Kong Baptist University
 * Service Children's Education, a support agency acting as a Local Education Authority for British service schools overseas

Computing

 * System Center Essentials, a performance and event monitoring product from Microsoft
 * Service Creation Environment, a development environment used to create the services present in an Intelligent Network
 * Scalable Cluster Environment, a software project for cluster computing
 * Sony Interactive Entertainment, formerly named Sony Computer Entertainment

Organisations

 * Southern California Edison, investor-owned electric utility in California, USA.
 * China SCE Property, a property developer in Fujian, China
 * Sony Computer Entertainment, a former video game division within Sony Corporation
 * Singapore Combat Engineers, one of the combat arms of the Singapore Armed Forces
 * Saudi Council of Engineers
 * Societas cooperativa Europaea (Latin for European Cooperative Society, a European legal society for companies or individuals from different EU states

Other

 * Starfleet Corps of Engineers, a series of books from the fictional Star Trek universe
 * State College Regional Airport, an airport in State College, Pennsylvania with IATA code "SCE"
 * Swedish Cyprus Expedition, a project to systematically investigate the archaeology of the early history of Cyprus.

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List of tourism regions of Slovakia

There are the following official tourism regions in Slovakia:

Division until 2004
The districts (okresy) completely or partly included in the regions are indicated in parentheses:
 * Bratislava and its surroundings (Bratislava, Malacky, Pezinok, Senec)
 * Záhorie (Malacky, Myjava, Senica, Skalica)
 * Podunajsko [ Danube River region] (Dunajská Streda, Galanta, Komárno, Nové Zámky, Šaľa)
 * Považie [ Váh region] (Hlohovec, Nové Mesto n/Váhom, Piešťany, Trenčín, Trnava)
 * Horné Považie Upper Váh region (Bytča, Ilava, Považská Bystrica, Púchov, Žilina)
 * Ponitrie [ Nitra River region] (Bánovce nad Bebravou, Nitra, Partizánske, Prievidza, Šaľa, Topoľčany, Zlaté Moravce)
 * Kysuce (Čadca, Kysucké Nové Mesto)
 * Orava (Dolný Kubín, Námestovo, Tvrdošín)
 * Turiec (Martin, Turčianske Teplice)
 * Horehronie [ Upper Hron River region] (Banská Bystrica, Brezno)
 * Pohronie [ Hron River region] (Banská Štiavnica, Levice, Zlaté Moravce, Žarnovica, Žiar n/Hronom)
 * Podpoľanie [ Territory below the Poľana Mountains] (Detva, Krupina, Zvolen)
 * Novohrad (Levice, Lučenec, Poltár, Veľký Krtíš)
 * Gemer (Revúca, Rimavská Sobota, Rožňava)
 * Liptov (Liptovský Mikuláš, Ružomberok)
 * Tatras (Kežmarok, Poprad)
 * Spiš (Gelnica, Levoča, Spišská Nová Ves)
 * Zamagurie [ Territory behind the Spišská Magura Mountains] (Stará Ľubovňa)
 * Šariš (Bardejov, Prešov, Sabinov, Stropkov, Svidník)
 * Košice and surroundings (Košice, Košice-okolie)
 * Horný Zemplín [ Upper Zemplin] (Humenné, Medzilaborce, Snina, Vranov n/Topľou)
 * Dolný Zemplín [ Lower Zemplin] (Michalovce, Sobrance, Trebišov)

Division from 2004

 * Bratislava
 * Záhorie
 * Podunajsko
 * Dolné Považie [ Lower Váh region]
 * Stredné Považie [ Middle Váh region ]
 * Severné Považie [ Northern Váh region ]
 * Nitriansko [ Nitra region ]
 * Horná Nitra [ Upper region ]
 * Orava
 * Turiec
 * Horehronie
 * Pohronie
 * Tekov (Dolné Pohronie) [ Lower Hron region ]
 * Hont
 * Zvolensko-Podpoľanie
 * Novohrad (Poiplie) [ Ipeľ region ]
 * Gemer
 * Liptov
 * Zamagurie
 * Tatras
 * Spiš
 * Košice
 * Šariš
 * Horný Zemplín
 * Dolný Zemplín

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Heights School

The Heights School was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. 8 votes to delete, 3 votes to keep. 1 vote by an anon user was disregarded (not signed in, not the article's author).

The Heights School
Not enough info to merit its entry in Wikipedia. Mandel 18:18, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-notable school. Fire Star 22:59, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete. Not notable. P. Riis 00:19, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * deleteWyllium 01:09, 2004 Oct 21 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nothing in this article is notable. Average Earthman 08:18, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Count in 3 more delete votes from Improv, WOT and Vina. See above. Mandel 09:04, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)
 * D Wow, this one also doubles as a polling station. It's not like every single school in my area has done this for years ... Chris 02:31, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep This will probably get deleted, but I've added a reason for it's notability - its telescopes. 203.87.86.44 10:30, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't see how the telescopes make the place notable. Chris 18:58, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Why don't we just shift any of these quite ordinary schools into their community entries, as a minor subsection, instead of spending "personhours" (NPOV!) voting on these flimsy entries? --Wetman 10:36, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * We are not allowed to (not that I know of). It has been objected by (mostly) inclusionists and the creators of these articles. Mandel 13:22, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. NeoJustin 23:59, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep and Clean up. I'm clearly in a tiny minority here, but the (I assume Bahasai) Indonesian language program seems to make it worth mentioning.  A few minor alterations could make it well worth keeping. --Quintucket 17:25, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Being an Indonesian-langauge school in Australia might make it definitely notable, in the same way as Spanish-medium schools in parts of the US, or Welsh-medium schools in parts of Wales (where English is the main language), but just having lessons in Indonesian probably doesn't, at least not in itself. Indonesia is geographically close, which would be a similar reason we learn French in the UK. Chris 02:23, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep - factual, verifiable entry. Mark Richards 17:07, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep this. Schools are notable. Notability is not a deletion criteria. Intrigue 20:42, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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...But Seriously

...But Seriously is the fourth solo studio album by English drummer and singer-songwriter Phil Collins. It was released on 20 November 1989 in the United Kingdom by Virgin Records and by Atlantic Records in the United States. After Collins finished touring commitments with the rock band Genesis in 1987, the group entered a four-year hiatus, during which Collins starred in the feature film Buster (1988). By the spring of 1989, Collins had written material for a new solo album, which addressed more serious lyrical themes, like socio-economic and political issues, as opposed to his previous dance-oriented album, No Jacket Required (1985).

...But Seriously was a huge commercial success worldwide, reaching No. 1 in the UK and the US for 15 and 4 non-consecutive weeks, respectively. It was the best-selling album of 1990 in the UK, eventually selling 2.75 million copies there and 4 million in the US. The lead single, "Another Day in Paradise", won a Grammy Award for Record of the Year. Collins supported the album with the Seriously, Live! World Tour in 1990. In 2016, the album was remastered with additional studio, live, and demo tracks, and updated artwork.

Background
In July 1987, Collins finished touring commitments with the band Genesis and resumed his solo career. He had scored a series of hit singles with his previous solo album No Jacket Required (1985) and with Genesis on Invisible Touch (1986), and recognised this period as "severe danger of overkill" due to the high amount of radio airplay the songs had received. To combat this, Collins took a year out solely from music and accepted a lead role in Buster (1988), a romantic comedy film based on the Great Train Robbery. Collins recorded "Two Hearts" and "A Groovy Kind of Love" for the soundtrack, which led to his belief that people thought his songs had become "Very, very light. That wasn't where I was coming from." When he started work on his next solo album, Collins deliberately shifted styles by addressing more serious issues in his lyrics and songs with greater depth than the dance-oriented approach for No Jacket Required. Some bits of music originated as far back as 1978.

Production
...But Seriously was recorded between April and October 1989 at The Farm in Chiddingfold, Surrey and A&M Studios in Los Angeles, California. It was produced by Collins and Hugh Padgham, who had worked on his previous solo albums and with Genesis throughout the decade. The album saw Collins use a live drum kit in contrast with No Jacket Required which had greater use of a drum machine. He also prominently used keyboards and electric piano and fewer synthesisers. Collins made a conscious decision not to rely on vocal effects on the album as his previous recordings, including with Genesis, involved the use of a harmoniser and echo and he looked back on this as a way of hiding the perceived drawbacks he had about his singing. In the end, a small amount of reverb and delay for a slap echo effect were used.

Collins experienced difficulty in naming the album. The initial title was Serious Business, before Collins decided against the potential connotations of business or corporations that it may have on the public. As the title suggests, the album is a change of pace from the lighter tone of Collins's previous work. Collins expanded his focus to the exploration of socio-economic and political themes. There is emotional turmoil underneath the polished studio production and many of the songs are unambiguous and unveiled in their melancholy. While incorporating political themes, ...But Seriously does not abandon the theme of relationships. But unlike some of his earlier work, Collins takes a more mature and reflective approach when looking at the relationships in his life.

As with his previous albums Collins wrote the sleeve notes by hand because "that's all part of the personal statement"; the exception being No Jacket Required. He wrote the text on the "Another Day in Paradise" single on the inbound from the album's European press trip in November 1989.

Songs
Atlantic Records initially placed a sticker on the CD version that read "Two bonus tracks" which Collins disagreed with and clarified that they were "extra" songs. The sticker was changed accordingly. The album was a departure from the dance pop of the No Jacket Required album. Unlike No Jacket Required, this album was a pop-rock album, but also included various styles and influences, like R&B, dance-pop, jazz, soul and gospel.

"Hang in Long Enough" is the opening track on the album. It is a dance-pop song, with influenced soul and rock, and talks about ambition.

"That's Just the Way It Is" is an anti-war ballad about The Troubles in Northern Ireland and features David Crosby on backing vocals. Collins had wanted Crosby to perform on his first solo album Face Value (1981), but he was unavailable at the time. The two met at the Atlantic Records 40th Anniversary concert in 1988, and Crosby was keen to participate on the album. When recording moved to Los Angeles, Collins prepared several mixes of the songs that he wanted Crosby to sing on and recalled that Crosby "did exactly what I expected him to do [...] He just picked a few notes out of the air that I would never have thought of". The B-side to the single was "Broadway Chorus", the demo version of "Something Happened on the Way to Heaven".

"Do You Remember?" has lyrics from the perspective of a man whose relationship is failing due to his lover's neglect. It features Stephen Bishop on backing vocals.

"Something Happened on the Way to Heaven" was written by Collins and his longtime touring guitarist Daryl Stuermer. It was the last song written for the album and was originally for the Four Tops, but it was not delivered to the group as Collins wanted to keep it for himself by the time it was finished. While the song was being arranged in the studio in England, Stuermer had devised some chords for the chorus which resulted in Nathan East playing bass on the new parts as Sklar had left for the US.

"Colours" is a politically themed song condemning apartheid in South Africa and displays a progressive rock influence. It was originally titled "Oh Mr. Botha, What Can We Do?", a reference to the English music hall song "Oh! Mr Porter".

"I Wish It Would Rain Down" is a gospel-influenced track that Collins said is the closest he had come to writing a blues song. It features Eric Clapton on lead guitar.

"Another Day in Paradise" addresses the issue of homelessness. Its working title was "Homeless". Among the inspirational sources for the song was Collins's stay in Washington, D.C. while on tour and encountered homeless people by Capitol Hill trying to keep warm and the contradiction of the White House being so close by.

"Heat on the Street" is a political song about the abuse and violence in the street. The song has a pop-rock oriented sound.

Collins wrote in his autobiography I'm Not Dead that "All of My Life" is about his relationship with his late father and his regrets to not have more connection with him during his life. The song was a R&B jazz ballad influenced. Steve Winwood is featured playing the Hammond organ on the song.

The album also features a sole instrumental track, "Saturday Night and Sunday Morning", which recalls the jazz-influenced instrumentals featured on his first two albums, Face Value and Hello, I Must Be Going.

"Father to Son" is a ballad about Collins's relationship with his eldest son, Simon.

The closing track, "Find a Way to My Heart", is a simple rock-sounding love song, though with a heavy horn section and a synthesized intro and coda. It was later used in the 1990 action film Fire Birds.

Additional material
Collins recorded three other songs that were released as B-sides to the album's singles:

 * 1) "That's How I Feel"
 * 2) "You've Been in Love (That Little Bit Too Long)"
 * 3) "Around the World in 80 Presets"

Singles
The album spawned six singles released between October 1989 and November 1990.

 * "Another Day in Paradise" – US #1, UK #2 (1989)
 * "I Wish It Would Rain Down" – US #3, UK #7 (1990)
 * "Something Happened on the Way to Heaven" – US #4, UK #15 (1990)
 * "Do You Remember?" – US #4 (1990)
 * "That's Just The Way It Is" – UK #26 (1990)
 * "Hang in Long Enough" – US #23, UK #34 (1990)

In Canada, "Another Day in Paradise", "I Wish It Would Rain Down", "Do You Remember?", and "Something Happened on the Way to Heaven" reached No. 1.

Release
In the UK, ...But Seriously spent 15 non-consecutive weeks at No. 1, including the whole competitive Christmas season, and at the end of 1989 became the third best-selling album of the year in the country after only six weeks on sale. It became the best-selling album of 1990 in the UK. ...But Seriously also peaked at No. 1 on the US Billboard 200 for four weeks and became the second best-selling album of 1990 in the US, according to Billboard. It was the last number one album of the 1980s and the first of the 1990s in the UK and in the US.

In Germany, it is the second best-selling album in the chart history of certified albums, and the best-selling album within the foreign repertoire.

Reception
In his review for AllMusic, Geoff Orens praised the decision to use more live instrumentation than No Jacket Required, saying "there's no doubt that tracks such as 'Find a Way to My Heart' and 'Hang in Long Enough' have enough bite to outlast his more dated sounding mid-80s material." He criticised the album for "too many generic ballads", but added that "when Collins moves out of his formula", citing "the dramatic gospel-influenced 'I Wish it Would Rain Down', [...] the results are staggering." In 2014, Corey Deiterman wrote for Houston Press, "One need only look at his album ...But Seriously to see some of the blueprint for being serious without being boring. That album wasn't perfect, by any means, and nowhere near as good as his preceding three records, but it allowed Collins to delve into serious subject matter and more serious musical territory while also retaining the sense of slick, fun pop he had traded in throughout the '80s."

At the 33rd Annual Grammy Awards "Another Day in Paradise" won the award for Record of the Year. ...But Seriously received further nominations for Album of the Year, Producer of the Year (Non-Classical) and Best Engineered Recording – Non-Classical. "Another Day in Paradise" was further nominated for Song of the Year and Best Pop Vocal Performance, Male, while the instrumental piece "Saturday Night and Sunday Morning" was nominated for Best Pop Instrumental Performance.

...But Seriously received two American Music Awards for Favorite Pop/Rock Album and Favorite Pop/Rock Male Artist.

At the Brit Awards in 1990 "Another Day in Paradise" received the award for British Single, while Collins was named British Male Artist, for which he was nominated again a year later.

Tour
In support of the album, Collins' embarked on a worldwide tour, called Seriously Live!. In total, there were 113 shows over three continents and it led to the release of a live album and video Serious Hits... Live!.

LP
The vinyl release features a rearranged track listing and is missing two tracks from the CD/cassette version, "Heat on the Street" and the instrumental "Saturday Night and Sunday Morning".

This listing applies only to original 1989 releases of the album. Vinyl releases of 2016 remaster feature all tracks and the same track listing as for CD and cassette releases, split between two discs, three tracks per side.

Personnel
Adapted from liner notes.

Musicians

 * Phil Collins – vocals (tracks 1–9, 11, 12), keyboards (1-9, 11, 12) , drums (1, 4-12) , drum machine (2, 3) , percussion (2, 3, 10, 12) , tambourine (6, 8)
 * Steve Winwood – Hammond organ (track 9)
 * Daryl Stuermer – guitar (tracks 1–4, 8, 11, 12)
 * Dominic Miller – guitar (tracks 1, 4, 5, 7, 9)
 * Eric Clapton – guitar (track 6)
 * Nathan East – bass (tracks 1, 4)
 * Leland Sklar – bass (tracks 2, 5, 7-12)
 * Pino Palladino – bass (tracks 3, 6)
 * The Phenix Horns (tracks 1, 4, 5, 10, 12) :
 * Don Myrick – saxophone, alto sax solo (track 9)
 * Louis Satterfield – trombone
 * Harry Kim – trumpet
 * Rhamlee Michael Davis – trumpet
 * Alex Brown, Marva King and Lynne Fiddmont – backing vocals (tracks 1, 4, 8, 9)
 * David Crosby – vocals (tracks 2, 7)
 * Stephen Bishop – vocals (track 3)

Production
 * Phil Collins – producer, mixing
 * Hugh Padgham – producer, mixing, engineer
 * Ed Goodreau – assistant engineer (Los Angeles)
 * Simon Osbourne – assistant engineer
 * Tom Tom 84 – horn arrangements
 * Maurice Spears – music preparation
 * Trevor Key – photography

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