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Talk:Samael Aun Weor

Organizations
VM Samael founded various organisations. And these organisations split etc. etc. This has been discussed too many times. Also, it seems as if the various organisations are adding themselves and deleting others on the page etc. etc. Instead I propose that, in fairness, we have all or nothing. So I have removed the line "He founded the non-profit corporation, Gnostic Institute of Anthropology, Inc."

Please rather than everyone just changing this backwards and forwards could we at least post some discussion and sort it out properly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.222.159.54 (talk • contribs)

 * Please do not remove any information from the article. That is considered to be vandalism. If anyone wants to add information to the article, they simply need to provide a reference and citation for the information. If that is possible, the information can be added. If it is not, the information cannot be added. I personally have nothing to do with this individual or their organization(s). I personally added that particular piece of information, because that was the only citable organization I could find a reference for. I neither know nor care whether there are others, but to take it out even before discussing on the talk page is not a correct way to proceed. I highly recommend that you create an account and sign your messages if you wish to be taken seriously. At this time, the organization listed appears to be the only one notable to have an article on WP. Please review WP notability policy and make sure any organizations you intend to add meet WP notability and verifiability policies. I.e. commit to learn the rules of the place you are in before presuming to dictate to other editors by removing text from the article. —Hanuman Das 05:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

OK. sorry about that... You are right. Sorry I did not discuss first, it was discussed in older versions of this page where every day the list of links would change as each of the movements squabbled. Earlier I tried to add 'The Gnostic Movement' and 'POSCLA' as these were actually founded by Samael Aun Weor to this page and they were removed. I did not realise that they would need citations...

Either way, the statement is incorrect as Samael did not found the GIA. It was created after he died as a certain offshoot of his movement. Even the GIA UK site states "Together with his wife Litelantes, he founded the International Gnostic Movement in the 1950's". So this should be corrected. -B.Jensen (IP address is an internet cafe)

 * Just going from what the site says, which is acceptable. An "according to the website" could be added. As for The Gnostic Movement, their site clearly states that they were founded in 1999 by Beelzebub. I'm not sure what POSCLA is, but if you can find a citation it can be mentioned. It is notable enough for its own article?

 * In any case, WP policy requires citations. I find this is the best way to keep competing orgs from changing the article back and forth, back and forth. :-) —Hanuman Das 13:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, POSCLA was a political party, probably not worth its own article. Both Samael and Mark Pritchard started organisations called 'The Gnostic Movement' which is confusing because Mark Pritchard (VM Belzebuub) was a disciple of Joaquin E. Amortegui (VM Rabolu), disciple of Samael. I think there used to be an article here called 'The Gnostic Movement' which defined the two. I just noticed that the AGEAC, Gnostic Movement and POSCLA are all mentioned later on in the article anyways. Well this is a good learning process for me, so thanks for your information -B.Jensen

 * The article is completely bias. I think the article needs a section where the theories and life could be better analyzed. There are things lacking as the misogyny views on woman, the anti-gay postures of SAW, and such… The articles of LaVey and Crowley are better balanced where they try to illustrate the good and the bad.

To help remedy this I propose to add this site www.sos-gnosis.org. A site dedicated to help the survivors of the Latin-American gnosis. It is well researched, and published by former members of the Latin-American Gnostics, they even have the origin of rituals and explanation of them. Before anyone raises any objection I like to use a precedent in WP. In the Scientology article in the external links section there are sites of detractors of the Church of Scientology. The article of SAW should have the same.

Also I will research further and add a section to this article regarding the anti-gay, misogynic and intolerant views of SAW.

Why would someone who knows little about the subject "research further": leave it to people who are familiar. SAW's attitudes regarding homosexuality are written quite clearly in the body. Comparing Crowley and LaVey to SAW is absurd, articles only need to state the facts, they are not essays where you need to present "a balanced argument". Crowley had his followers cut their bodies with razors, etc; as far as I am aware SAW did nothing of this sort, that is why this article will not be "balanced" in the way that one on Crowley inevitably would be.

A point about reliable third party info. It seems Samael mentions them in his own work e. g. Blavatzky, Steiner, Gurdjieff, Krumm Heller et al(capone). Wouldn't it be unfair to judge this article from a purely scientific point of view e. g. trying to prove the existence of solar bodies not in the realm of Physicas by physical means. After all, at the miracle of Lourdes when the people saw the sun rock'n roll (around the clock tonight), no Physicist noticed any change in its path across the sky; not even Dr. Teller who was able to detect a slight needle motion in the meter when the first Hydrogen explosion ocurred at the Bikini archipielago was able to notice anything. Another thing, the apparent bias of the article may stem from the partly occult nature of the subject due to the terrible persecution the Gnostics have suffered from the first centuries of Christianity which forced them to go and remain underground. The article on Opus Dei has a similar label appended to it. Now, shouldn't they be judged on their own merits and then bring up the opposite view or views and so arrive at a really neutral Wikipidean view with an article really worthy of Wikipedia and what it represents rather than just bark at the wrong tree all day long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JDPhD (talk • contribs) 19:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Samael Aun Weor Books
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I dont know if the book list is complete but if not could somebody kindly create a complete listing of his books. Thanks

Bill (Feb 8, 2007)(talk) 20:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

Was Samael really born on March 16? Some texts mention it was born on March 3, and some other on March 6.

TRUELLY SAMAEL AUN WEOR WAS BORN ON MARCH 6th. ANY OTHER DATE IS FALSE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.70.122.124 (talk) 13:13, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

yeah, March 6 was the birthday for sure —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.217.85 (talk) 21:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Order of external links
Does Wikipedia have a policy on the order of external links? I think that the most relevant to be first would be www.gnosticteachings.org since it has by far the most material related to Samael Aun Weor and his teachings, or maybe Ageac or GIA. Gnosticweb, which is first at the moment, isn't as much related to Samael Aun Weor as it is to Mark Pritchard. I wanted to discuss this here first instead of just changing it to my own preferences, so what are your opinions? --Anton H 19:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It has some guidelines but nothing that I know of concerning the order. I agree with your ordering. I think the sites by Pritchard's group should be on articles concerning him and his group. I'll reorder them. --T. Baphomet 14:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Removed "History" section
Removed the "History" section lacking in sources and potentially being ill-intended:

''Arnold Krumm-Heller traveled in occult circles around the start of the 20th century where he studied with notable figures such as Gérard Encausse of the Martinist Order and Franz Hartmann of the 'Ordo Templaris Orientis'. In 1910 he founded the Iglesia Gnostica (Gnostic Church) in Mexico. Not finding as much success as he hoped for, he moved through Latin America before settling in Brazil. There he founded the Fraternidad de Rosacruz Antiqua (Fraternity of the Ancient Rosicrucians), following Randolph's usage. Krumm-Heller moved back to Germany in 1920, where he made contact with Aleister Crowley. Krumm-Heller kept a low profile through World War II, but when he was able to travel again after the war, he resumed contact with his Latin America students. Between that time and his death in 1949, Krumm-Heller encountered and subsequently mentored Victor Rodriguez who would subsequently take the name Samael Aun Weor. Weor states that Krumm-Heller taught a form of Sexual Magic without ejaculation that would become the core of his own teachings.''

As you can see it claims that SAW stated the he was taught sexual magic by A. Krumm-Heller which as far as I know is far from the truth and as you can see it cites no sources to support this claim, therefore I removed this section-paragraph as being potentially ill-intended and lacking in sources. Arthur Clark 14:10, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Removed recent edits
I removed most of the recent edits by 201.21.144.223 because of the following:

1. That the orgasm should not be reached during sexual intercourse is well explained in context in the text and I see no reason to state it again in the beginning of the section.

2. I don't think it's relevant or even necessarily true to state that nothing about what he teaches about sex could be scientifically proved. As far as I know there have been no scientific studies on the existence of solar bodies or the transmutation of sexual energy etc. I know some research on intercourse without orgasm that supports the teachings of Samael Aun Weor, but if you really think that it should be stated that it's not proved then please say it more specifically and provide sources.

3. That there is no proof that " 'The Doctrine of the Many' has been taught in the esoteric schools and religions since the beginning of time" seems highly irrelevant and out of place since what is described is esoteric and hidden knowledge.

If you disagree then I will be happy to discuss. Anton H 09:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

It seems the question of plagiarism should also be removed e. g. if there is no actual corroborated court case. It is mere heresay if for example the Gurdjieff Foundation never went to the courts or brought forth a formal accusation. It's mere conjecture and should be removed as heresay with no factual reference whatsoever.JDPhD (talk) 20:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Aun Weor sources
Could someone provide a link on where to get Sameal Aun Weor herbal remedies? (I'm very sick)

Bill

Apr. 22, 2007

 * In the book Occult Medicine and Practical Magic which can be bought here: http://www.gnosticstore.org/servlet/Detail?no=2
 * You can also perform a google search for a pdf version with less quality.
 * But you should see a doctor first if you haven't done that already.
 * By the way, please sign your edits with "~", in order to place a link to your user page (if you have one). Like this: Anton H 10:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay thank you Anton. I really appreciate it! Ive been to the doctor but they offer me very little solution. I would like to try alternative approaches to healing.

(Unfortunatly I dont have a link page.)

Bill 25 April, 2007

About cleanup tags
Just to let the editors of this article know that I've added some cleanup tags. I can see that a lot of the content of the article is from primary sources written by Samael Aun Weor himself. Please try to find some other reliable sources. Also, as a result of this primary source editing, there is a lot of quotes on the text. Please try to rewrite their content outside the quote. Also i was tempted to put an "unencyclopedical" tag on this article. The article is about the character in question, but much of its content is an explanation of his philosophy. Please clean it up. BTW, most of his work is based on theosophy, so a lot of this content could be added to that article, in order to clean up this one. Thanks a lot. --Legion fi 07:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Most of the article is about his doctrine, so it is logical that those references are from his own works. The biography part however is another thing, but there seems to be very few reliable sources which talk about the life of Samael Aun Weor. I managed to find one though which I have added to the list. There is an entire biography written about him, but that one is in Spanish and I don't know if it counts as reliable. Regarding his philosophy and biography being in the same article, it used to be that way before and the other article was deleted and merged into this one (see: Articles for deletion/Gnostic Doctrine (Samael Aun Weor)). And although his teachings have similarities with Theosophy, they are very different in many aspects and so I don't think it would be a good idea to add the content to that article. Anton H 20:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Just to add: His doctrine has as I said many similarities with Theosophy, but also with several other traditions; for example, the Fourth Way of Gurdjieff, as mentioned by the recently added reference. Anton H 20:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

About a year ago I try to bring in o more balanced view of Victor Gomez. The religious zealots did not allow so. As balance go there are a lot of inconsistencies in the samaelian Gnosticism. Not to mention all the teachings that are left out (maybe on purpose?) that is not good for public relations or a recruitment paper. With quite the skill misogynic and homophobic teachings are suppress. Not to mention all the plagiarism that Victor Gomez did. For closer inspections many of Victor Gomez works are translations or plagiarism from Victor Krumm-Heller, Gurdjieff, Gerard Encausse, Blavasky and Crowley (the samaelian Gnostic 1st Degree or Gnostic Mass in a variation of Crowleys Liber XV)

I invite any one to read Bel’s Revolution to read how Victor Gomez relate to others and the hate he display against other occult/esoteric organizations…  also Tarot and Kabbalah for the way he expresses his opinion on woman… and finally Elementary Treatise on Magic on what he considers those who do not follow its doctrine…  food for though.

Further for try www.sos-gnosis.org to have a different view on Victor Gomez Gnosticism.

Latin-American Gnosticism has little to do with Gnosticism or Christian Gnosticism…  its just Victor Gomez take on the occult…

Legion Fi if you are an idiot, at least you are an intelligent one. This article needs a lot of work to be encyclopedia worthy. The “unsigned” is nothing more than a religious zealot trying to sell its religion…  Tanuky 21:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)tanuky    October 10, 2007Tanuky 21:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Samael's view on homosexuality is mentioned in the article, and I don't know what you mean by misogyny as I have never seen anything like it in his works. Could you provide a source? I have added a line mentioning the accusations of plagiarism from Gurdjieff. As for Crowley it is said that he and Samael both took those rituals from the Gnostic Church. The others I don't know about and I don't see how it is important. After all, it is called the doctrine of the synthesis. The website you mention is very POV and I don't think it is a very reliable source. Anton H 09:46, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

The question of plagiarism should be taken out of the article as mere heresay. If there is no formal accusation or court case then it should be taken out. Here say, it's hearsay. So is there a reference that the Gurdjieff Foundation brought charges of plagiarism against him in a court of law. Then the insinuation should be treated as such and considered unworthy of Wikipedia. The same goes for accusations of plagiarism in relation to other personalities of the occult e.g. Crowley.JDPhD (talk) 20:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Where to Find Sameal Aun Weor Books?
How can I find more of his books. I'm very interested in learning more. I'm very excited.

-Bill May 30, 2007

 * You can find many of them on GnosticStore.org, and more are coming! You might also want to check Gnostic Forum if you have questions. Anton H 20:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Wow! Thank you Anton. I'm soo excited! I want to read all his books.

-Bill June 1, 2007

 * WTF?? this is not a propaganda website. Please refrain from advertising books. This talk page is ment to discuss changes in the article. Thanks. --Legion fi 06:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

All original books in Spanish can be found at http://www.gnosis2002.com/tabla.htm for free download. 119.160.141.222 (talk) 10:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)Rodrigo Nov, 22nd 2009

Edits by Helios Solaris
I disagree to the Anael website because it is not about the subject of the article and the material there is not his original teachings but the modified ones by Rabolu. The Thelema Press website has a lot more information which covers that on the Anael website. I also disagree to any link to a website that is mainly about an organization, such as AGEAC and GIA, because if we have one we should have all, and that would be too many. Please see WP:EL. Why do you think "educator" and "author" are more correct than "teacher" and "writer", respectively? Perhaps I can agree with author, but educator seems to be more rarely used than teacher, while having practically the same meaning. Thank you, Anton H 20:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

About Gnostic Association of Anthropological, Cultural and Scientific Studies
This website support my claim

http://www.ageacac.net/secciones/ageacac/index.php

http://www.google.com/translate_t

Use Google Translate, the translation is so so, but the point comes across. Helios solaris 23:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I know enough spanish in order to be able to read. On the website it says that Samael Aun Weor founded the Christian Universal Gnostic Movement which eventually became AGEAC (Gnostic Association of Anthropological and Cultural Studies), and finally AGEACAC (Gnostic Association of Studies of Anthropology and Science, Civil Association). This is not the same as to say he actually founded AGEACAC. On Ageac's website (www.ageac.org) it says that Oscar Uzcategui founded that organization. I also looked on the IGA reference and it doesn't explicitly state SAW was the founder of that either. There seems to be many organizations and institutions that claim to be "developments" of the original Christian Universal Gnostic Movement founded by Samael Aun Weor. I suggest that we change the text to that he founded the Christian Universal Gnostic Movement, and perhaps that out of that has developed many other organizations. Anton H 15:13, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Recent additions
Many of the recent additions made to the article have been unreferenced, original research and POV. Please read the policies listed on the top of this talk page before making any more edits. Thank you. Anton H 21:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

'Thelema Press' is now 'Glorian Publishing'
Check http://www.gnosticbooks.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=2&Itemid=5 at the end of the text.

Poll on whether to include information about schools in the article
There is a difference in opinions whether the article should include information and history about different schools, organizations and associations. Perhaps a distinction between official schools that are under the authority of Osiris Gomez Garro, the son of Samael Aun Weor and Litelantes. State below if you agree, disagree or are undecided. Afterwards, if you want, add arguments for your position. Thank you.
 * Disagree. The article is mainly about Samael Aun Weor himself, and secondly about his doctrine. The history of the divisions of the schools is very complicated and is in my opinion beyond the scope of this article. It is also subject to a lot of controversy and it will be hard to find reliable sources which can portray the history in a NPOV way. Splitting the different schools between official and unofficial or "dissenting" schools seems very POV to me since it implies that official is "better". Anton H 14:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Disagree. I think people should decide for themselves. What is really 'official'? As long as an organization is loyal to Samael's teachings there shouldn't be any argument, therefore there shouldn't be a statement. --Helios solaris 17:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Helios solaris (talk • contribs)
 * Disagree. Same reasoning as noted. It would be nice to at least mention the different schools started by Samael Aun Weor though. He started 5 of them, each in different areas of Central/South America and headed under different disciples. AGEAC, AGLA, Gnostic Movement, Gnostic Church and one other that I cannot remember. But, even that is a slippery slope because up until 1977 all of these schools cooperated with each other and they were all "official". --T. Baphomet 18:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Agree. The purpose of the Samaël Article is to inform mankind about the man, his teaching and the VECTOR of his teaching. The goal of this man is to give to humanity a precise teaching. This teaching is diffused to manking through an organisation he founded in collaboration with Mistress Litelantes. How this organisation conquered a part of the world, what happend, what people quit the official movement to set up their own organisation, who cease to recognise the Mistress Litelantes, etc. is important. The argument saying that "As long as an organization is loyal to Samael's teachings there shouldn't be any argument, and sense there is no "official"" is FALSE : it is not because an organisation is diffusing the teaching of Samaël that this organisation is an authentic school linked to the organisation of Samaël. This argument is clearly wrong because so, every one can create a new group, diffuse the teaching and say : "look i am an official organisation" BECAUSE i give the Samaël Teachings..." This is a non sense. This is only a bad trick to deceive people..., to let them beleive that a movement is right. And letting such lies in wikipedia is not possible. So the TOOL of difussion, the history of the movement is IMPORTANT. But there is another point, well explained by Litantes herself : the point of the betrayal. This is major point regarding the veracity of the teaching of Samaël and of the connection of an organisation to the White Lodge. So, it is important to have a section of the history of the movement. And it is important to divide organisations from the point of view of the history of the movement, letting so every one be judge (by the presence of the history of the movement) of where are the "dissenting" or "authentic" organisations, exactly as we proceed for all others subjects where we judge people by looking at the history. We must always REMEMBER that ERERY TIME some pepole want to OCCULT HISTORY, this is because of hidden bad purposes. For example, we must always remember the Shoah, and promote the COMPLETE HISTORY of WWII, in order to fight against the bad forces who want humanity to doubt, and witch leads to negationism ! So people who are fighting to SUPRESS history, are showing to the face of the world WHO THEY ARE in REALITY... Another point : it is also clear that some organisations are hidding their dissention. All those points argue that Wikipedia cannot occult the history of the movement. To finish, the point of view of OFFICIALITY is CLEAR, and cannot be corrupted by people belonging to unauthentic organisations. Here are the facts : Mr Oisris Gomez de Garro has been officially been made "President of the Worldwide Headquarters of the Gnostic Movement" by the Mistress Litelantes. So it is a fact we cannot occult, even if this will not please some dissenting organisations ; the history IS the history and CANNOT be changed. Before this, the Master Samaël Aun Weor made his spouse, the mistress Litelantes, the new "President of the Worldwide Headquarters of the Gnostic Movement". So, as you can see, HISTORY of the movement DO IS important, and division between (official-authentic organisations) and (dissenting and unofficial organisations) MUST be made. François LAMOUREUX.

 * Agree. Of course i agree! I have inserted many times some informations in the article but Mr Anton H is always UNDO what i have done, deleting my work under fallacious pretexts and of false charges. So, for me, to offer the history is indeed necessary. I agree with Mr Lamoureux when he says that people who want to supress or hide history are dishonest persons having bad reasons to hide the history of the world gnostic movement. So here are my conclusions:

 * 1) It is necessary to insert a section called "History of the organisation"
 * 2) It is necessary to inform the public that the actual President is Osiris Gomez de garro.
 * 3) It is necessary to classify the organizations in two types: Authentic official organizations / Dissenting organizations
 * 4) It is necessary finally to present also the various external links of organizations in two classes:
 * - external links towards the official and authentic schools
 * - external links towards the dissenting schools (or independent ones, if schools would be spontaneous generations) --Bluemanang 11:09, 2 October 2007 (UTC).

 * Disagree. There should be a separate article within wikipedia which gives reference to all official & unofficial schools. Arthur Clark 13:50, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Aside from agreeing, disagreeing or being undecided, it looks like if this article is about Samael Aun Weor and he estblished an organization then it should be accepted as such on its own merits if well referenced not merely by hearsay. Also if there are opposing or dissenting organizations and they are well referenced they should also be presented. Only in this way will the article create a spirit of Wikipedean neutrality.JDPhD (talk) 20:42, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Discussion related to the poll
How do you suggest that we create a history section that is well-referenced with reliable sources and NPOV? It seems to me to be impossible because of the lack of reliable sources and the controversy surrounding this area. Each source will say a different thing. One says that Litelantes was appointed the legitimate successor by Samael Aun Weor, another says that Joaquín Amortegui (Rabolu) was, and so on. The issue is difficult because if we add a statement that is disputed by others without allowing room for the other versions, it will be POV. And if we talk about the other versions that are out there it will become a mess. Maybe we should mention that since his death there have been several divisions within the Gnostic Movement and different persons claim to be his legitimate successor? I believe that would be NPOV, but the question is whether it should be in the article. What do the rest of you think? Anton H 15:28, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Creating a history section : I think this can be made easyly, and without any trouble, using the successive and official nominations of the President. The "head" of the movement is clearly, without any doubt, the President. If we start over from the beginning, the first President was the founder, the Master Samaël Aun Weor. During his presidence, his spouse, the Mistress Litelantes assited him. When Samaël died, his spouse witch IS a MASTER became naturally the new President (of course some people did not recognize her at this moment, but this is only a few). Later, the new president Litelantes declared that the new president in the future will be Mr Osiris Gomez de Garro. So, from this point of view of the history of the different presidents, we can build the history of the movement and explain the many crisis, dissention, etc., that occured from this point of view. Others persons like Rabolu, Oscar Uzcategui, and so on..., are clearly only disciples or Missionaries : this is an obviousness, a confirmed fact because they were NEVER president of the movement. So from this point of view, we understand, we see, that they quit or made a scission because precisely, they weren't in charge and that they were in disagreement with the official president for such or such reason... I think this approch is irrefutable because it is based on known and verifiable objective facts, and i suggest to build the history from this angle. Using this skeleton, we can after to recall the various adventures which occurred, treasons, the scissions, creations of new organizations, the people stating itself to be Masters, etc. So, at the end of the day, we will obtain a historical synthesis, clear, indubitable, irrefutable, which nobody will be able to dispute, because based on the facts which produced, and which were grafted on the model of skeleton that i proposed, and which proves to be absolute facts. Tell me what you think about this approach. François Lamoureux.
 * It's not that simple I'm afraid. You say that Litelantes became naturally the new president when Samael died, but this website says that Litelantes herself said that Samael left nothing verbal nor written that made Litelantes the world director. Here it is also mentioned that Julio Medina declared himself "Patriarch II", and three others declared themselves "Patriarch III". So we can't write that Litelantes was the legitimate successor of Samael because many dispute that fact. But we can write that she did become the new president after Samael. We can also write that her succeeding him was disputed by some who broke off from the movement and created their own. There are not enough sources to write more detailed than that in my opinion. Anton H 14:16, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Anton, this question of legitimacy can appears difficult, but it is not at all. What i am trying to say, it is that if our vision of the universe through a system, a model, reveals difficulties or paradoxes, it is because that model is not adapted, and that it is necessary to change our approach. In other words, i feel that you does not manage to see and understand that the legitimacy of the original movement rests firmly on THE COUPLE Samaël and Litelantes. Not only the organization and its development are based on THE COUPLE, but also all the Teaching given by the Master (THE COUPLE and the Great Arcana). And moreover, they are both some Masters… So, when the Master Samaël is deceased, we can only see “the robbers” leaving out of the wood, trying to steal, at any speed, the Presidence of the Master Samaël… And Litelantes in all this ? Litelantes was HIS WIFE, HIS LOVE, HIS PRESTRESS, the woman of its life, the woman who also sacrificed herself to build the gnostic movement, and the robbers forgot her, did not recognize her anymore, seeking only to reach the position of President or Patriarch, etc. They wanted to be a caliph in the place of the caliph! And they are not even masters... Of course this not written there or here, but the facts teach our consciousness : the facts are that some guys (i have called then before "the robbers") tried to seize the power by declaring this or that, without same taking account of Litelantes, its state of Master, all his work of wife and militant woman, with Samaël. It is pure and simple treason. What I want to say to you Anton, it is that your approach appears only intellectual : nobody can assert the succession and the presidency of the movement but only the Mistress Litelantes herself, and that, for all the reasons which i have just given before. In addition, you will be able to find a good site “more neutral” than those which you have just given to http://www.cesnur.org/religioni_italia/g/gnosi_01.htm (uses Google Translation to translate the different pages from Italian to English), because the articles over there are set up for researchers on the state of the art. More, this web site is not belonging to a particular gnostic group. To conclude, i think more we are going to work collectively, more we are going to fing and collect informations, and the result will be that we will have an increasingly clear vision of what really did happened. But i think Anton that you should try to make a litle effort to exceed the purely analytical stage and to apprehend the phenomena and the facts, not on the basis of what people can say or write, but on the nonverbal and not written obviousnesses, that your consciousness will brings you. Read again this little article and see that only legitimus president was Litelantes. François Lamoureux. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.164.192.115 (talk) 20:16, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have said it before, and I'm saying it again; it's not about me and my understanding. My own opinion about all this is not important. The reason why I'm asking you to provide sources and to be neutral is not because my own understanding is lacking; it is because a Wikipedia article needs to be verifiable by those who read it and to have a neutral point of view. That is what I'm concerned with. So yes, in this case my approach is intellectual, because that is Wikipedia's approach. In my own personal work the case is different, but that is not relevant here. But it seems to be a very good source you linked to - CESNUR even has its own Wikipedia article. There seems to be information about many different movements, this we can use without problems. Anton H 21:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

There should be a separate article within wikipedia which gives reference to all official & unofficial schools. Arthur Clark 13:50, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

About Marx, Lenin and fallen bodhisattvas
I am moving a part of the text that JDPhD added here because it seems to be original research. The following part explaining about fallen bodhisattvas will be superfluous if the first part wasn't there, so I'm moving that too. If a reference is provided I will move it back again.

 * "Apparently, fallen bodhisattvas (known in Theosophy as the Lesser Quaternary) right here on earth are really perfect beings in higher worlds of existence and he was looking at those two revolutionaries from a higher perspective. Presumably, the same thing could be said of Hitler and Herzl.
 * A fallen bodhisatva, in other words a "demon", fallen angel or Lucifer, is simply the intellect, emotions, vitality and gross physical body of a person ruled by the ego, suffering from ahamkara (ignorance) and divorced from the Higher Triad Atma-Buddhi-Manas (Soul-Enlightenment-Mind). "All sins shall be forgiven except the sin against the Holy Ghost". The Gnostic Doctrine accepts the Christ and becomes Christian-Gnosticism renouncing the dark doctrines of Simon Magus who remained looking back exclusively at the teachings in existence before the advent of the Christian dispensation."

Anton H (talk) 23:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Neutrality
Most of the article seems to be written with a bit of an appreciative / adulatory tone. And there are clearly some POV in the text, take a look at this:

Weor, without any lucrative ends, possesses activities for the International Gnostic Movement that promote and objectify to fight for the regeneration of the human being, raising its spiritual, moral, physical and intellectual level.

Needs cleaning up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.123.130.216 (talk) 18:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what in that quote you mean to be POV. "without any lucrative ends" is right because he didn't earn any money from what he did. And the regeneration of the human being indeed is the goal of the International Gnostic Movement. Please explain further and give more examples where you think that the text is POV so that we can discuss that. Thank you. Anton H (talk) 00:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, English is not my first language so if there are words that imply a certain POV then I might not be aware of that. Anton H (talk) 00:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree 100%. This article is going down the tubes fast. It needs a swift and strict cleaning. --T. Baphomet (talk) 00:29, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Wordiness
I think the article is too verbose, or wordy. It really detracts from the article. I am going to work to make it more concise. --T. Baphomet (talk) 00:40, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Example: "His writings cite from such teachings contained within Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Kabbalah, Theosophy, Astrology, Alchemy, the Aztec and Mayan traditions and more, establishing the basis of his contemporary Gnosticism."
 * This should be: "Therefore his writings cite teachings contained within Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam (Sufi), Kabbalah, Rosicrucianism, Theosophy, Aztec, Mayan and ancient Egyptian tradition constituting the base of his contemporary Gnosticism."
 * This second sentence is how it was written about two months ago. The newer version is worse. There are edits like this all over the place. --T. Baphomet (talk) 00:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

An encyclopedia article should not read like a novel. This article uses too many loquacious adjectives and adverbs. It should be much more 'dry' (but not too dry!). By being wordy, the validity of the article is called into question. --T. Baphomet (talk) 01:00, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

In trying to edit objectively, one should watch one's own subjectivity. If the link appears first in an article, it adds to the value of the encyclopedia to keep it rather than remove it. If it is used a second time, then it is politically correct to remove it without much ado. Try some dry vermouth! Ain't that what you saying? A truly Wikipedean article is neutral so it does not add to or take away from an article if used as a link the first time it appears and no more. Rather it adds to the value of the encyclopedia and makes use of one of the greatest information weapons ever designed by man THE CYBERLINK. JDPhD (talk) 21:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

About POV tag and Helios Solaris edits
Well, first of all I have to state that I have been following Helios edits closely. And I haven't reversed them because I felt I didn't have any arguments against them. And I still don't. But his clearance of the NPOV tag was the drop that spilled the glass. Im sorry. But all of the "Doctrine of Synthesis" section references come from primary sources from Samael Aun Weor himself. This clearly violates WP:PSTS. I beg someone with enought knowledge and/or time to dig into this articles problems besides Helios Solaris. Thanks. --Legion fi (talk) 05:47, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I don't see how those references from primary sources violates WP:PSTS. It says:
 * "   Primary sources that have been published by a reliable source may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them. For that reason, anyone—without specialist knowledge—who reads the primary source should be able to verify that the Wikipedia passage agrees with the primary source. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. To the extent that part of an article relies on a primary source, it should:

* only make descriptive claims about the information found in the primary source, the accuracy and applicability of which is easily verifiable by any reasonable, educated person without specialist knowledge, and * make no analytic, synthetic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims about the information found in the primary source."
 * It says that primary sources may be used by the above conditions, and in my opinion they are fulfilled. Since the topic is about the doctrine itself it seems to me nothing less than logical to use the doctrine itself as reference. That way it could never be wrong, right? So, as long as there are no interpretations of the sourcetext there should be no problem. Anton H (talk) 10:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Unnecessary references
Frankly I don't see the point of all these new references that are being added to the text. More is not necessarily better in this case. References should provide support for statements made in the article, not additional information on a subject. Quoted from Verifiability:
 * The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged should be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. The source should be cited clearly and precisely to enable readers to find the text that supports the article content in question.

For example, the very first source listed: G. R. S. Mead, M. A. Fragments of a Faith Forgotten: the Gnostics, a contribution to the origins of Christianity. I have not read this book, but I'm sure that it does not say anything about the International Gnostic Movement formed by Samael Aun Weor, since it was written before his time. It seems the Notes section needs a good clean-up. Anton H (talk) 16:10, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Unsubstantiated Claims
I have removed from the section "Doctrine of Synthesis" the following text as sourced with inadequate references:

Neither Eliphas Levi nor H. P. Blavatsky, Gurdjieff, P. D. Ouspensky, Steiner, H. Spencer Lewis, R. Swinburne Clymer, Manly Palmer Hall, Max Heindel or any other prominent exponent of esoteric lore ever revealed publicly the Secret of the Great Arcanum: only Samael Aun Weor has.

__ meco (talk) 14:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

"...the fact that more people are being born as homosexuals..." from the Homosexuality section isn't, in fact, a fact at all. If it is, it needs a reference since it's not referenced as a quote from Aun Weor's teachings.

Weor or Aun Weor as sort key?
Presently the article has "Aun Weor" as sort key for its categories. Is this correct? __meco (talk) 08:57, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The sort key is normally the surname of a person, right? It's not easy to decide which the sort key should be since his name cannot really be divided into first name and surname. But Aun Weor I think would be most correct since Samael could be said to be one part of the name and Aun Weor the other. Anton H (talk) 22:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Recent edits by user user:114.76.75.113
While your intention to contribute to this article is appreciated, there are certain rules and guidelines on Wikipedia that need to be followed. Your edits lacked an encyclopedic tone which is preferred on Wikipedia. Moreover, the added texts seem to be negatively biased by what appears to be your own opinions and experiences with the subject of the article, this is in conflict with the policies of Neutral Point of View as well as Original Research. The statements made need proper references as Wikipedia is not a place to state your own opinion but, as far as possible, to reflect statements already made in the published literature. I'm sorry having to remove all of that text which I'm sure took some time to write. Please read through the mentioned guidelines and make sure that your future edits are in accordance with these. Thank you. Anton H (talk) 16:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Concerned about the modern 'gnostic' movement as identified by Wikipedia
Since the discovery of the gnostic texts and much exploration and research as to the authenticity of these topics, we might also as students and scholars of all ancient texts, recognize that there will certainly be a wave of interest that will result in one of two outcomes. Since Gnosticism is a form of knowledge that is pure and absent from any attachments to conventional religion, the most effectual influence it may have is on students seeking a pure doctrine of Christ. This is a positive outcome for the discovery of the Gnostic texts, as the original message teaches that each and every one must come to 'gnosis' by seeking knowledge on a single and solitary path. The other effect it may have, is as in the days of Roman rule, is to create a variety of 'sects' or 'cults' which are fallibly based on the underdeveloped intellect of the 'worldly' as the Savior describes it in some of the readings. These sects and cults although very knowledgeable about the 'techniques' of occult and hermetic (black magic) arts may superimpose their interests and ideas as 'gnosis' although they may be far from a true and mystic gnosis. This negative coloring thus would be expanded to serve a selfish interest and promote the 'worldly', that which the Savior states he hated about those who revel in darkness. It is important to understand that now in our modern times, as Gnostic scriptures are once again being revealed, that we guard carefully against this sort of mingling the sciences and arts with concepts of knowledge that were meant to enliven or illuminate, not to darken or decieve. The capacity of cults and sects in our age is just as potentially proliferant as it was in the times of the early Christians, and has happened again in the growth of a gnostic movement that is not truly gnostic in origin. To avoid occult contamination of the mind with what is not the true Gnostic teachings, one must first search for the authenticity of the real documents, read the real documents as found in thier original state and read them as they were written from direct literal translations in the original language. Each seeker must have a chance to examine the real historical documents and references so that he/she would know what the real teachings are. Certain prolific authors who may or may not have good intentions, may have rewritten their 'idea' of what the gnostic teachings said without giving any reference to the original documents. In some extreme cases, they may have proselytized their 'own' version of gnosticism by not considering whether their quotations and discourse about the original texts differs in 'meaning' from the original text. Meditating on what was said in the gnostic scriptures and then writing about one's meditations is truly different from the actual reading and contemplation of the gnostic scriptures and actually teaching it verbatim. To do the former, is an outrage to all seekers who are seeking their own path indiscriminately from the polluted viewpoints of others. To do the latter is to receive the message as written by the historical recorder in its true form. To read the original writings and to evaluate them for what they truly say in the original language and regard them as similar or dissimilar to one's own is to be truthful to oneself. Each seeker of truth must examine oneself prior to applying these gospels or any other ancient writing. A benevolent seeker of truth may be more interested in his or her salvation rather than trying to sway or influence others towards a particular idea or application of doctrine. Remember each must follow his own path. That is the true gist of Gnosticism. Currently I am aware of only a handful of gnostic thinkers that serve a group. In any event, I am sure none of these would be interested in leading a group because 'leading' itself is unworthy of 'gnosis'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.88.240 (talk) 04:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Too long text - I haven't read it! I believe you are saying that this "Samael Aun Weor" is not gnostic and that the article should be consistent in marking this if it is marked in the intro. Then peruse the source Samael Aun Weor (The Gnostic Movement) from the Gnosis Institute, and rewrite the article to fit that site's definition of Gnosis. They seem to be reliable, and like me, they dismiss Voegelins faulty definition.  There are too many non-gnostics out there declaring themselves "gnostics" just as a catchy name. ... said: Rursus ( m bork³  ) 08:42, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Moved to here. Rursus dixit. ( m bork3 !) 18:54, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Prophecies

 * The first paragraph in the section on Prophecies uses a reference video that although originally it is Samael Aun Weor's, it has been dubbed by another party and it violates Wikipedia neutrality. Among other things, it equates Samael Aun Weor with Hitler. The translation of the spoken word as it is depicted in this paragraph is also quite inaccurate. It should be part of all the rest of the references subject to clean up. JDPhD (talk) 21:35, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Clean up

 * The clean-up is practically done. If something else remains, it should be minor.JDPhD (talk) 19:27, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Tract or encyclopedia article?
I see a 2009 discussion comment that the clean up is largely done.

But to me the very long piece still reads like a tract for Weor-ism, very unlike the typical, concise, neutral encyclopedia style of Wikipedia.

Is the section title "Master and avatar" a little promotional?

With reference to the long paragraph on "Initiations of higher mysteries," the article on Buddha headlines similar experiences with the more neutral "Enlightenment."

The text of the Buddha article runs 23 screens on my computer, the Weor article 38, suggesting to me that we're over-emphasizing the latter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.186.248 (talk) 04:23, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes, it needs cleanup and some neutral analysis. See the gnostic institute's characterization of the Samaelians as "sex magic" rather than "gnostic". Their reputation amongst gnostics is not good. Rursus dixit. ( m bork3 !) 19:00, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

The Social Christ etc
I have added sections on 'The Social Christ', 'Elemental Medicine' etc and will be cleaning up some things in the article over the next few days or weeks.

I dispute T. Baphomet's comment that "The Social Christ" is not encyclopedic as it is a key aspect of the life and work of Samael Aun Weor and POSCLA was one of the key elements of his doctrine. To write an article on him without devoting fair space to this is absurd.

Furthermore "Elemental Medicine" was also a key aspect of his life and work, it is mentioned in the first part of the article that he was a wanderer living with the Indians of the Sierra Nevada and so this is evidently a crucially important aspect of his life. "The Esoteric Antithesis" was a key element of his teaching as it says in practically all his books "sex is the key which creates Angels or Demons", and in all of his books there is mentioned the duality of the White and Black lodge.

However there are many things in the article which are evidently just gleaned from his work and improperly explained. I dispute the neutrality of this as it leans towards promoting the doctrine of the Glorian school, of who I assume Mr 'T Baphomet' is a follower.

For example there are direct links within the article to the website of Glorian publishing.

This article should not be promoting any particular school, rather it should explain the life and doctrine of Samael Aun Weor. Furthermore why are the books given as 'Thelema Press' books with their ISBN, are the freely available online translations made by his early students mentioned anywhere?

I will try over the next few days to place these entries in their proper position within the article and to add to and clean up the article where it is necessary, for example in "The Esoteric Antithesis" I should have mentioned his second book "The Revolution of Beelzebub", and also I must clear up mistakes in other parts of the article like where it says "any school which does not posess the three factors (sexual yoga etc) is degenerated". This is not directly quoting Samael Aun Weor and is creating a misconception of his teachings, he did not use the word degenerated in relation to any religion in fact he said "we are not against any religion, school, sect etc.

At present the entire article reads like a Theosophical reference book, it's far too wordy, and everything seems to have about 6 different terms from different religions attached to it, endless qualifications and justifications etc. It would take a big spade for your average person to dig through this article hey!

Regards, 'sparkandstir' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.100.123 (talk) 14:18, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

 * The article is already tremendously large. To me, I do not see the necessity of increasing the length of the article with more large sections. This was the primary reasoning for me making big cuts. I don't think the article should cover every topic in depth, not because I want to hide the truth or something, but because I honestly believe it benefits the reader. I think, honestly, that topics such as POSCLA, Elemental Magic should be at most a few sentences, not even needing a subheading. Otherwise, there are dozens of other topics that would have to be added at length too. Where do we stop? If we flushed out the whole article at the level which was recently done in those named sections, we would have an article about 10 times as large or larger. To me, that does not help the average person. Even without those additions, in the Doctrine section I think there is more that could be cut as well. I think that would make a better article.
 * Concerning "Esoteric Antithesis" I think the entire section should be removed. It is accurate and written reasonable well, I have no problem with the content, it is just appears arbitrary to pick that topic and not one of the dozens of other pervasive topics and write at length about it.

 * 1) Should we have a dedicated topic on the Runes? (Mentioned in multiple books, one dedicated to it)
 * 2) Should we have a dedicated  topic on UFOs? (Mentioned in multiple books, two dedicated)
 * 3) Should we have a dedicated topic on the Mayan mysteries? (Mentioned in multiple books, two dedicated)
 * 4) Should we have a dedicated topic on the Kabbalah? (Mentioned in almost all books)
 * 5) Should we have a dedicated topic on the Tarot? (Mentioned in almost all books)
 * 6) Should we have a dedicated topic about Alchemy symbolism? (Mentioned in multiple books)
 * 7) Should we have a dedicated topic about Astral projection? (Mentioned in almost all books)
 * 8) Should we have a dedicated topic about Kundalini yoga? (Mentioned in multiple books)
 * 9) Should we have a dedicated topic about criminology?
 * 10) Should we have a dedicated topic about Tibetan exercises?
 * 11) Etc., etc., etc.
 * Other people could appear and argue that to not have those topics would be absurd just as you belive so with POSCLA and The Esoteric Antithesis. If everyone added more, then what happens is a big hodge podge with no clear organizational flow. Perhaps those topics are more dear to them, that is ok, but we have to make an article that actually helps people understand the subject matter at hand. To me, I think it is best to focus the article on the real importance of the gnostic doctrine, which is how does one experience gnosis? E.g.: sexual transmutation, self observation, meditation, the state of humanity, awakening consciousness, etc.. Everything else, to me, comes second. And if that means that 50 things are on the second tier, then, all of them should only have a little bit of space dedicated to it. In the current article, I would argue that POSCLA and Sexual Transmutation appear to be about the same importance to the reader because they both have a second level heading, and that, to me, is terribly misleading.

 * Concerning the links to Glorian publishing. They also happen to have the largest website in English of Samael Aun Weor's teachings. I do not care where the article reference comes from, but, if the reference is valid, then there is no reason to waste time and change it.

 * Concerning the ISBNs. Originally I referenced, down to the page number, in many of the books. That page number would only be valid in a specific publication of a book, thus they would need to correct ISBN. Other times, I only had that ISBN known for the book. Wikipedia likes to have ISBNs, and I gave the ones I knew. This is an English website and many of the books have no other publisher besides Glorian.

 * I agree that it is too wordy in many areas. Other areas, I believe it is beneficial to list many different terms, because it highlights the Doctrine of Synthesis aspect.
 * --T. Baphomet (talk) 03:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

ALRIGHT YO! Samael Aun Weor stated in clear terms in a 1977 letter published in Bolivia;

"In the circular 007 aimed at Colombia we declared in an emphatic way that the Gnostic Church, movement and organisation in general are living organisms of the POSCLA and of CHRISTISM SOCIALISM...

...The authorities of the Gnostic Church and Movement as well as any affiliated organisations are absolutely Christian and Social. They are never anti-Christian or antisocial."

Therefore, yes, The Social Christ is a key element of the doctrine in fact quite as important as the Esoteric Inner Work of the Gnosis.

Links to Glorian publishing should be removed since it is concretely demonstrated that they have intentionally falsified words and edited translations such as in the book "Logos, Mantram, Theurgy" where they edited the Seventh Key to Astral Projection by adding words decrying the use of Yage. Therefore they cannot be regarded as a reliable source for information about the Doctrine of Samael Aun Weor, as no group who are proven to have released false translations can be regarded as such. I am speaking in the realm of concrete and verifiable facts, which if you wish to dispute you must dispute from the same platform of verifiable fact. Speculation and emotional loyalty to a certain source is not the same thing as the facts of the Truth of the matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparkandstir (talk • contribs) 18:32, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Religions
The whole The Doctrine of Synthesis reads horrible & the Religions may be the worst. For example the section Psychology, under The Doctrine of Synthesis, uses words & phrases like "stated," "taught" and "responded." The "Religions" section reads like it was either lifted directly from another source &/or sci-meta mumbo-jumbo. Dubious &/or neutrality issue?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ka'Jong (talk • contribs) 23:59, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Prophecies and Predictions
Hi everybody. I have read a lot of marvellous books of this man. Thats why im speaking and writing. I see your beautiful article in "esoterism" category not complete. As a reader of this author - Samael Aun Weor, i appreciate his works very much, because i found them very real or very close to reality. As a reader i know that in many of his works he give various predictions very well and logically described. Some of them i saw. Some of them im seeing in present moment. I know that others i will see in close future.

I advise you to form a headline about this. What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evgeny Latishev (talk • contribs) 13:00, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree to the above - please put in the predictions.

samael
samael — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.81.176.167 (talk) 13:31, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Samael! Rursus dixit. ( m bork3 !) 10:34, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Citation balance, etc.
The current state of the article is that it to 65% cites Samael Aun Weor, and 35% others. That and the fact that citations are used to make a factual saga of Samael Aun Weor's life to sound like a bit of ueberfantatic:
 * In his autobiographical account, The Three Mountains, Samael Aun Weor stated that because he was born with an awakened consciousness, he was analyzing the previous lives in which he awakened his consciousness before mastering how to walk.[5][sic!] At the age of 17, he was asked to lecture at the local Theosophical Chapter, and a year later was admitted into the occult society Fraternitas Rosicruciana Antiqua (F.R.A.).[8][should need an independent source] While a student in the F.R.A., Samael Aun Weor methodically studied the entire Rosicrucian library and it was here that he allegedly learned the secret of the "Great Arcanum", or white Sexual Magic – the esoteric key which purportedly underpins all of the world's great religions.[5]

While I admit that such citations might be very hard to find, as a general measure, the article should include more non-primary sources. Rursus dixit. ( m bork3 !) 11:10, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

 * This is still a problem so I have tagged the article as such, — Paleo Neonate  – 04:41, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If reliable sources can be found, they would likely describe this movement as Mystical Gnostic Christianity, syncretic, New Age and charismatic. The current article also includes prophetic claims in Wikipedia's voice, like the prediction of his death...  Secondary sources should be found and used instead of mostly primary sources and original research or synthesis (and editor interpretation) using those (WP:PRIMARY, WP:RS, WP:SYNTH, WP:OR).  — Paleo  Neonate  – 04:51, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm maybe another point... He claimed to have the keys to the universe, bodily immortality, body dematerialization and teleportation (i.e. in "Jinas"), at the same time, as he was obviously aging and falling ill like anyone else, he said that he wasn't practicing his own immortality techniques because he didn't want to remain on Earth. He taught that ejaculation should be avoided at all cost yet sexual activity/stimulation maintained (either Vajroli or Maithuna) and that transmutated sexual energy could heal the body (other than feed the "subtle bodies" including with pseudoscientific claims related to hydrogen isotopes); yet as not everyone have noctural emissions, this can lead to bodily harm, hemospermia (when the unevitable happens with associated guilt), etc.  It would be interesting to see if some independent sources covered this.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 05:29, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

 * The article contains far far too much content on the Doctrine of Synthesis. This is supposed to be a biography yet we have 1900 words on the subject and 4400 on the Doctrine, the vast majority referenced to his own work. I don't think this section would stand up as a separate article, so I would suggest it is pruned to 1000 words or less.Pontificalibus 14:11, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Bias?
It's pathetically obvious that this article is completely biased. I have nothing against Samael, but this article desperately needs a hatchet job. It looks like no-one but Samael devotees has looked at this article since the day it was born. Sardaka (talk) 08:15, 1 August 2021 (UTC) Sardaka (talk) 08:15, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

 * I have to agree, I came to the talk page because this article is ridiculous. It reads like one of his books, not like an article about the man. I have been reading his books and get a lot out of them but this article is totally inappropriate. There is almost nothing balanced about the man in question. Not a single line of criticism, skepticism, which would be found on any other noteworthy figure. Why is this article about the individual while going in minute detail about a philosophy and spiritual teaching? When you do it like this, it becomes a joke. 2001:268:C20E:2A3:44CB:7719:8CD4:37AA (talk) 15:03, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

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The current Member for Casey, since the 2022 federal election, is Aaron Violi, a member of the Liberal Party of Australia. His immediate predecessor is Tony Smith, who was Speaker of the House from 2015 through 2021, and was, after Bob Halverson, the second member for this electorate to occupy the chair.

Geography
Since 1984, federal electoral division boundaries in Australia have been determined at redistributions by a redistribution committee appointed by the Australian Electoral Commission. Redistributions occur for the boundaries of divisions in a particular state, and they occur every seven years, or sooner if a state's representation entitlement changes or when divisions of a state are malapportioned.

History
When it was created it was a highly marginal seat, and at the 1972 federal election it was regarded as the "litmus seat", which the Australian Labor Party had to win to gain government. Lost when the Liberals won in 1975, Labor picked it up again when Labor regained government in 1983. However, a redistribution ahead of the following year's election made Casey marginally Liberal. The Liberals retook the seat in that election and have held it since then. Demographic changes have also contributed in making Casey a fairly safe seat for the Liberal Party, although a redistribution ahead of the 2013 federal election pushed the seat further north into the upper Yarra Valley, estimated to halve the Liberal two-party preferred majority of 4.2 per cent. Since the 2023 Aston by-election, it is the Liberal Party’s safest seat in metropolitan Melbourne.

Prominent members to have represented Casey include Peter Howson, who served as a minister in the McMahon government; Bob Halverson, who was Speaker of the House of Representatives 1996–98; Michael Wooldridge, who served as Minister for Health in the first five years of the Howard government (1996–2001); and Tony Smith, Speaker from 2015 until 2021.

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A couple of unclear passages:

 * "At the foundation, "EE" was used by Euskadiko Ezkerra." This sentence seems unrelated to what is around it. What is the point here?
 * That the PNV splitters couldn't use the Standard Basque name *Eusko Elkartasuna, because "EE" was already taken. -- Error 01:41, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Reworded accordingly. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:52, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)

 * "After the breakup of Euskadiko Ezkerra, EA picked the dissidents grouped in Euskal Ezkerra." I literally don't understand what this means. Could someone try rewording it?
 * EE split into Euskadiko Ezkerra (they received the rights to the name) and Euskal Ezkerra (EuE). EuE later integrated into EA. -- Error 01:41, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Reworded accordingly. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:52, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)
 * OK. That's clear. When was that, 1993? -- Jmabel | Talk 04:51, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)

In both cases, if it's easier for you to explain in Spanish than English, that's fine, I'll translate. -- Jmabel | Talk 00:55, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)

Name of article
I have moved this from this illiterate "Basque Solidatrity". However, I believe it belongs at its old title of Eusko Alkartasuna. It was moved without comment by Gangulf, who has had no hand in writing it. While I believe (based on various sources) that this is a correct translation of the name it is not a common name for the organization. Even in English, it is usually known by its Basque name.

I don't want an edit war, so I will give Gangulf some time to respond. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:35, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

 * Neither do I. There is a more or less consensus (seeing the debate on diverse talk pages on parties) that Wikipedia should list party names (names of organizations) in English, but with the exception that if names of parties are usually in English known with their native name, the native name is used. Exceptions are e.g. the Quebec, Indian or Israeli parties. There is an argument for the native name in the case of Eusko Alkartasuna. So if you wnat to change it back, I do not mind. --Gangulf 06:57, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Google (well, Yahoo, actually) seems to confirm this. I get:

 * 1,170 for "Eusko Alkartasuna"
 * 446 for "Basque Solidarity"

although I wish I knew some easy way to search just news pages, which I think are the most likely place for people to run across this organization. Noel (talk) 16:25, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Basque Solidarity - 1.
 * Eusko Alkartasuna - 3.
 * But it just searches recent news.
 * --Error 21:16, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Differences
It seems to me like EA social support is more overtly independentist than PNV's; that, if true at all, could be noted in the article as one more difference.

Also, there should be a Navarre template here, because actually EA's stronghold is there. I would do that myself.... if I wasn't a dummy with frames etc. Mountolive 03:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

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Two Creeks

Two Creeks may refer to:
 * Two Creeks, Alberta, Canada
 * Two Creeks, Manitoba, Canada
 * Two Creeks, Wisconsin, United States, a town
 * Two Creeks, Wisconsin (community), within the above town
 * Two Creeks Air Force Station

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Merano

Merano or Meran  is a comune (municipality) in South Tyrol, Northern Italy. Generally best known for its spa resorts, it is located within a basin, surrounded by mountains standing up to 3335 m above sea level, at the entrance to the Passeier Valley and the Vinschgau.

The city has been a popular place of residence for several scientists, literary people, and artists, including Franz Kafka, Ezra Pound, Paul Lazarsfeld, and also Empress Elisabeth of Austria, who appreciated its mild climate.

Name
Both the Italian (Merano) and the German (Meran) names for the city are used in English. The Ladin form of the name is Maran. The official name of the municipality (comune) is Comune di Merano in Italian and Stadtgemeinde Meran in German (both are in official use).

History
Archaic names of the city are Mairania (from 857 AD) and an der Meran (from the 15th century). In 17th-century Latin, the city was called Meranum.

Origin

The area has been inhabited since the third millennium BC, as shown by the presence of menhirs and other findings. The story of the city proper began in 15 BC when the Romans occupied the Adige valley founding a road station, Statio Maiensis.

The settlement was first mentioned in an 857 deed as Mairania. The Counts at Castle Tyrol elevated Merano to the status of a city during the 13th century and made it the capital of their County of Tyrol. After the county had been handed over to the Habsburg dynasty in 1363 upon the abdication of Margaret, Countess of Tyrol, in 1420 Duke Friedrich IV of Austria moved the Tyrolean court to Innsbruck. Though Merano remained the official capital until 1848, it subsequently lost its predominant position and almost all its importance as an economic hub across the roads connecting Italy and Germany. The important mint was also moved to Hall in Tirol in 1477.

Modern history
The Tyrolean Rebellion of 1809 against the French occupation drew attention again to Merano. In that year, on the Küchelberg above the city, a peasants' army eked out a victory against the united French and Bavarian forces before their revolt was finally crushed. After World War I, under the Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye, Merano became part of the Kingdom of Italy with the rest of the southern part of the former Cisleithanian crown land of Tyrol.

During the Nazi occupation of the region in 1943–5, the Meranese Jewish population was almost completely deported and murdered within concentration camps.

Coat of arms

The city's coat of arms depicts the red Tyrolean eagle sitting on a wall with four pieces of Ghibelline battlements and three arches that symbolize the city. The arms is known from the 14th century and the oldest seal dates from 1353, while the coloured one since 1390. In a 1759 image, the eagle is represented with a crown and a green wreath of honour. After World War I and the annexation of the city from Austria-Hungary to Italy, it was given a new coat of arms in 1928, which looked similar to the old one, but with five parts of the battlements and the arches with the gates opened on a lawn of shamrock. A mural crown was placed above the shield. The five parts of the battlement represented the districts of Maia Bassa, Merano (old city), Maia Alta, Quarazze and Avelengo, which were incorporated into the city by the Italian fascists. After World War II, Avelengo became independent again and the historical coat of arms was restored.

Main sights
Among the city's landmarks are the medieval city gates such as the Vinschgauer Tor, Passeirer Tor, and the Bozener Tor. Also belonging to the fortifications is the medieval Ortenstein tower, popularly called Pulverturm (lit. "powder tower").

The main churches are the Gothic St. Nicholas' Church and the St. Barbara's Chapel, both dating to the 15th century. Also dating to this period is the Princely Castle (Landesfürstliche Burg), which was a residence of Archduke Sigismund of Austria.

The Steinerner Steg stone bridge crosses the Passer river and dates to the 17th century.

The city saw further development as it became increasingly popular as a spa resort, especially after Empress Elisabeth of Austria started visiting. Dating from the 19th century are the Civic Theatre, the Kurhaus and the Empress Elisabeth Park. Also famous are the arched Wandelhalle promenades along the river.

After the annexation of the city by Italy in 1919, the Fascist authorities constructed the new city hall in the 1920s.

Outside the city is Trauttmansdorff Castle and its gardens. Located there is the Museum of Tourism, which was opened in the spring of 2003 and shows the historical development of tourism in the province. Tirol Castle is also close by.

Climate

Merano is on the borderline between several climates. Officially, it has an oceanic climate (Cfb). However, it is close to being humid subtropical (Cfa) due to the mean temperature in July being just under 22 °C; even on those terms, the overnight lows in the winter bring the mean temperatures low enough for the city as a whole to have continental (Dfa/Dfb) influences with more distinct seasons.

The average daily temperatures in summer in Merano lie between 27 and 30 °C, while at night temperatures usually drop to between 12 and 15 °C. The average daily temperatures in winter lie between 6 and 10 °C, while at night temperatures usually drop to between -4 and -2 °C. The wettest month is August with 96 mm, while the driest is February with only 25 mm. This data was measured at the weather station Merano/Gratsch at an altitude of 333 metres between 1983 and 2017.

Food
The area is well known for its wines, both white and red, and vineyards extend right into the city. The local wine, Meraner Leiten (Meranese di collina), is a light red wine, best drunk young. There are also extensive orchards, and apples are exported throughout Europe. The Forst Brewery on the edge of the city produces a popular range of beers, sold throughout Italy and Europe.

Cultural events
Merano organizes the following events every year.
 * Asfaltart
 * Festival MeranOJazz
 * Meraner Musikwochen
 * Christmas market Merano
 * Merano WineFestival

Early times

 * Arbeo of Freising (died 784), early medieval author and bishop
 * Johann Baptista Ruffini (1672–1749), salt trader

19th century

 * Pius Zingerle (1801–1881), an Austrian Orientalist
 * Ludwig Freiherr von und zu der Tann-Rathsamhausen (1815–1881 in Meran), a Bavarian general
 * Oskar Freiherr von Redwitz (1823–1891), a German poet, lived in Merano from 1872
 * Ignaz Vincenz Zingerle (1825–1892), poet and scholar
 * Peretz Smolenskin (1842–1885 in Meran), a Russian-born Zionist and Hebrew writer
 * Hermann von Tappeiner (1847–1927), physician and pharmacologist, used photodynamic therapy
 * Sir Rudolf Carl von Slatin (1857–1932), soldier and Inspector General of Sudan
 * Ferdinand Behrens (1862-1925), painter and city portraitist
 * Leo Putz (1869–1940), Tyrolean painter
 * Prince Emmanuel, Duke of Vendome (1872–1931), a French royal from the House of Orléans
 * Prince Francis Joseph of Braganza (1879–1919), officer in the Austro-Hungarian Army and victim of sex scandals and swindles
 * Richard Steidle (1881–1940 in Buchenwald), lawyer, leader of the paramilitary Heimwehr in Tyrol
 * Erna Ellmenreich (1885–1976), operatic soprano, a member of the Staatstheater Stuttgart
 * Oswald Menghin (1888–1973), university professor, prehistorians, minister of education
 * Heinz von Perckhammer (1895–1965), photographer, known for his Chinese nudes
 * Ludwig Bemelmans (1898–1962), American writer and illustrator of children's books

20th century

 * Hans Andersag (1902–1955), scientist, discovered Chloroquine, a malaria drug
 * Anton Malloth (1912–2002), supervisor at Theresienstadt concentration camp
 * Silvius Magnago (1914–2010), politician, South Tyrolean governor, father of the autonomy of South Tyrol
 * Annelies Reinhold (1917–2007), film actress
 * Bargil Pixner (1921–2002), a Benedictine monk, Biblical scholar and archaeologist
 * Norbert Untersteiner (1926–2012), pioneer of modern polar science research
 * Alberto Lizzio (1926–1999), fictitious conductor of inexpensive, mass market, classical recordings
 * Irène Galter (1931–2018), actress
 * Maria Bertolini (1931–2022), politician
 * Arnaldo Di Benedetto (born 1940), literary critic and professor
 * Franco D'Andrea (born 1941), jazz pianist
 * Lino Capolicchio (1943–2022), actor, screenwriter and film director
 * Cuno Tarfusser (born 1954), judge at the International Criminal Court
 * Gloria Guida (born 1955), Italian-speaking actress
 * Rudolf Stingel (born 1956), artist
 * Ferdinand Gamper (1957–1996), serial killer
 * Luca Dipierro (born 1973), animator and writer

Sport

 * Norberto Oberburger (born 1960), retired heavyweight weightlifter, gold medallist at the 1984 Summer Olympics
 * Edith Gufler (born 1962), former sport shooter, silver medallist at the 1984 Summer Olympics
 * Günther Steiner (born 1965), motorsports engineer and former team principal of Haas F1 Team
 * Armin Zöggeler (born 1974), luge champion with six Olympic medals and nine world championship golds
 * Dominik Paris (born 1989), alpine skier, gold and silver medallist in World Championships
 * Daniel Frank (born 1994), ice hockey player
 * Daniel Grassl (born 2002), figure skater at the 2022 Winter Olympics, silver medalist at the 2022 European Figure Skating Championships

Economy
Merano is a popular tourist destination especially for Germans and Italians. In the summer, there are concerts on the promenade almost daily, and there are fine walks around the city and in the surrounding hills, not least "Meran/o 2000", where there is also skiing in winter. The city is reachable with the railway Bolzano-Merano, which continues to the Vinschgau Railway Merano-Malles.

Society
According to the 2011 census, 50.47% of the resident population spoke German as mother language, 49.06% Italian, and 0.47% Ladin.

Sport
A chess opening, the Meran Variation of the Semi-Slav Defense, is named after the city, from its successful use by Akiba Rubinstein against Ernst Grünfeld during a tournament held in the city in 1924. In 1981, the World Chess Championship match between Anatoly Karpov and Viktor Korchnoi was held in Merano. The first act of the musical Chess also has a world chess championship match set in Merano, and features a song entitled "Merano", which includes the line, "rosy-cheeked Merano, flourishing to a fault".

The city's handball team, Pallamano Merano, is one of the most successful in Italy, winning the scudetto in 2005. The ice hockey team won two national championships but currently plays in the second division, Serie B.

Each September, the Gran Premio Merano takes place in the Maia Racecourse; this is the most famous Italian Steeplechase.

Merano hosted the 1953, 1971 and 1983 ICF Canoe Slalom World Championships. This is where the well known 'Merano' move was created due to a tricky upstream gate. This move is now used and well known by many slalom paddlers worldwide.

Twin towns and sister cities
The twin towns and sister cities are:
 * 🇦🇹 Salzburg, Austria

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Two Harbors

Two Harbors may refer to a location in the United States:

 * Two Harbors, California, on Santa Catalina Island
 * Two Harbors, Minnesota

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Carla Robbins

Carla Anne Robbins is an American journalist, national security expert, and the former deputy editorial page editor of The New York Times. Prior to her career at The New York Times, Robbins worked for BusinessWeek, U.S. News & World Report, and The Wall Street Journal. During her thirteen-year career at The Wall Street Journal, she won multiple awards and was a member of two Pulitzer Prize-winning reporting teams. She is now a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations where she co-hosts the weekly podcast The World Next Week and faculty director of the MIA program at Baruch College's Marxe School of Public and International Affairs.

Career
Robbins graduated from Wellesley College in 1974, with a bachelor's degree in political science. She subsequently attended University of California, Berkeley, receiving master and doctorate degrees in political science.

In 1982, Robbins worked as an editor and, later, as a State Department reporter for BusinessWeek. In 1986, she began working as the Latin America bureau chief for U.S. News & World Report, where she later became a senior diplomatic correspondent. In 1993 she began working as a reporter and news editor at The Wall Street Journal, going on to be their lead writer on foreign policy. In July 2006, she joined the editorial board of The New York Times. In January 2007, she became the deputy editorial page editor. In July 2012, Robbins left The New York Times. She is now the faculty director of the Master in International Affairs program and a Clinical Professor of National Security Studies at the Marxe School of Public and International Affairs Baruch College. She is also a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

A foreign policy commentator, she is considered an expert on national security and defense issues, with a particular focus on nonproliferation, Iran and North Korea, American politics and foreign policy, Washington’s budget battles, defense spending, and US military rivalries and interventions.

Awards
In 1984, while working at BusinessWeek, Robbins was one of the recipients of an Overseas Press Club award. In 1990, she received a Nieman Fellowship from Harvard University. In 2004, she shared the Elizabeth Neuffer Award for Print Journalism from the U.N. Correspondents Association and the Peter R. Weitz Senior Prize from the German Marshall Fund. In 2003 and 2005, she was a Hoover Media Fellow at Stanford University.

Robbins has been a member of two teams that have been awarded the Pulitzer Prize. In 1999, she and a team of reporters at The Wall Street Journal won the Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting for their coverage of the 1998 Russian financial crisis. The following year, she was a member of a team who were awarded the Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting for stories examining U.S. defense spending and military decisions following the Cold War.

In 2003, she was awarded the Georgetown University Weintal Prize for Diplomatic Reporting.

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Chason, Florida

Chason is a small unincorporated community in northwest Calhoun County, Florida, United States.

Chason is 65 miles west of Tallahassee, Florida, 53 miles south of Dothan, Alabama, and 44 miles northeast of Panama City, Florida. It is located along State Road 73 at the intersection of County Road 274 south of Willis.

Chason is located near the Chipola River and contains many ponds: Page Pond, White Pond, Burke Pond, and Todd Pond are just a few. The Florida Trail passes through Chason as it follows the course of CR 274 to the Altha trailhead, where it continues as a footpath through the Upper Chipola River Water Management Area. The surrounding countryside is notable as a large tract of Florida Scrub. Chason was directly in the path of Hurricane Michael in 2018, and many local assets sustained remarkable damage.

The Chason Community is home to Page Pond Assembly of God located on Murdock Drive

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Ademir da Guia

Ademir da Guia (born 3 April 1942) is a retired professional footballer who played as a midfielder during the 1960s and 1970s for Palmeiras, a leading association football team in Brazil, where he is still regarded as one of the club's all-time best players. Usually a playmaker, he was known for his fantastic close control and passing ability. He was nicknamed O Divino, which means The Divine One, the same nickname given to his father, Domingos da Guia.

Personal life
Da Guia was born in Rio de Janeiro. His father, Domingos da Guia was a former national team member who played at the 1938 FIFA World Cup. His uncle, Ladislau da Guia, had pursued the same career path at an earlier stage, playing for Bangu Atlético Clube, and becoming their all-time best scorer with 215 goals.

Career
In the 16 years Ademir da Guia spent playing for Palmeiras, he holds the record for the most appearances for the club and is the third best goalscorer ever, and won, amongst other titles, both the Campeonato Paulista and the Campeonato Brasileiro Série A five times.

Unlike many distinguished football players in his country, Ademir did not have a prolonged and constant participation with the Brazil national team; playing in nine matches for Brazil in the total, the first six in 1965 and the other three in 1974, including at the 1974 FIFA World Cup when he got the chance to play in the match for third place against Poland (in which Brazil was defeated by 1–0). His lack of playing time was the result of being contemporary of such players as Pelé, Rivellino, Gérson, Tostão, Dirceu Lopes and Paulo César.

Da Guia played his farewell match on 18 September 1977 at Estádio do Morumbi, São Paulo in a Campeonato Paulista match between his club Palmeiras and Corinthians, which the latter won 2–0.

Political career
He was elected in 2004 for the legislative period of 2005–2008 as councilman for the city of São Paulo as a member of the Communist Party of Brazil, joining the Liberal Party later.

Honours

 * Bangu
 * International Soccer League: 1960

 * Palmeiras
 * Campeonato Brasileiro: 1967 (Taça Brasil), 1967 (Taça Roberto Gomes Pedrosa), 1969, 1972 and 1973
 * Campeonato Paulista: 1963, 1966, 1972, 1974 and 1976.
 * Torneio Rio-São Paulo: 1965
 * IV Centenary of the City of Rio de Janeiro Tournament: 1965
 * Ramón de Carranza Trophy (Spain): 1969, 1974 and 1975.
 * Laudo Natel Tournament: 1972
 * Mar del Plata Tournament (Argentina): 1972
 * Copa Libertadores runner-up: 1968

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Leah Pipes

Leah Marie Pipes (born August 12, 1988) is an American actress. She starred in the television series Life Is Wild, the slasher film Sorority Row and The CW series The Originals.

Early life
Pipes was born in Los Angeles, California.

Career
She broke into screen acting in 2001 on the supernatural-drama series show Angel. She was a regular on the TV series Lost at Home and appeared in the Disney Channel Original Movie Pixel Perfect as Samantha Jacobs. She starred in the movie Fingerprints in 2006 (released in 2008). She has also appeared on TV shows such as Crossing Jordan and Drake & Josh. She also appeared on Clubhouse as Jessie.

She starred in the soccer film Her Best Move. She appeared in Odd Girl Out and other small budget films. In 2006 Pipes starred as the teenage foster child Kelly in an episode of Fox's TV series Bones.

For the 2007–2008 television season, Pipes starred in the drama series Life Is Wild. She also had a recurring role in Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles as Jody. She plays Beth in the ABC series The Deep End, which premiered on 21 January 2010.

She played one of the leads in her first major film, 2009's Sorority Row.

In 2010, she played Miranda for one episode of Law & Order: Los Angeles. She also played Alexis for one episode of The Defenders. In 2012, she began filming alongside Mischa Barton and Ryan Eggold in the Mark Edwin Robinson's supernatural romance thriller, Into the Dark.

In 2013, she played Katie in Jodi Arias: Dirty Little Secret, a television movie about the murder of Travis Alexander.

She starred with E.J. Bonilla in the film romance Musical Chairs, about a couple who participates in wheelchair ballroom dancing. It was released theatrically on March 23, 2012. Pipes starred in The Originals as Camille O'Connell. She also starred in Charmed as Fiona a witch whose magic equals with the powers of the charmed ones.

Personal life
In January 2014, Pipes announced her engagement to actor and musician A. J. Trauth, after almost three years of dating. They married on December 6, 2014 in Santa Barbara, California. Pipes filed for divorce in May 2019.

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Molly McGee

Molly McGee may refer to:

 * Molly McGee (gridiron football) (1952–1994), a National Football League running back
 * Molly McGee, a main character of Fibber McGee and Molly, a 1935 American radio comedy series
 * Molly McGee (The Ghost and Molly McGee), a main character in The Ghost and Molly McGee

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Harand, Pakistan

Harrand is an old city in Pakistan located in Rajanpur district of Punjab. Its original name was Hari Nand, but now it is called Harrand. It is supposed that during the attack of Alexander this city was part of Iranian empire. After conquering this area Alexander reached this city and was married to the daughter of Darius. There is detail of this event in famous Persian book Sikander Nama, but most historians are skeptical of this story. Irfan Khalid Drictor Ghazi Institute of Information Technology Rajanpur.

The city is the site of an old fort. Gorshani tribe is living here since long there was a battle between Baloch of Gorshani tribe and Sikh so Baloch people of Gorshani tribe spread all around in district Rajanpur.

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