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Talk:Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows/Archive 4

Structure of the article
Should the "Information from JK Rowling" section come under "Background to the series"? Could the Background Knowledge be renamed to Plot or storyline or something similar or the Information from JK be moved to its own section? 0L1  Talk   Contribs  21:28 8/11/2006 (UTC)

 * As I got no reply, I've edited the titles. 0L1   Talk   Contribs  11:05 19/11/2006 (UTC)

 * Not really. Information from rowlings is fore-knowledge, not background knowledge. It is things she has said about what will be in it. Background is about general info relating to all the books, particularly the existing ones.

References spoiler
On the regular wikipedia page, it says nothing about Ron and Hermione's budding romance, but JK Rowling said it herself in a Mugglenet/Leaky Cauldron Interview that Ron and Hermione will get together after Hermione has a brief fling with Neville Longbottom. --rcfant
 * Alrighty then. But as Jason Isaacs  as Lucius Malfoy might say:  Why don't you PROVE IT!.  In other words - provide a Verifiable link to a Reliable Source and we can talk.  Otherwise, sorry but no. --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 16:32, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

One of the references it titled "Dumbledore definitely dead". Should a spoiler tag be added, or the title changed (although it is the title of the web page)? 0L1  Talk   Contribs  20:41 23/11/2006 (UTC)
 * No, leave it. Anyone reading the references at the bottom of the page ought reasonably to expect to discover things, but I don't think this article should get too hung up on spoiler warnings. Who reads right through an article about a forthcoming book unless they want to know what is in it, and know what is in the earlier ones? Sandpiper 23:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * You're right - I was comparing it to: '"[He who died in book six] definitely dead" says Rowling', but the name was removed from the external website, rather than from the Wikipedia cite title. 0L1   Talk   Contribs  16:36 1/12/2006 (UTC)

Vandalism?
At the end of the first paragraph, it says:

I have removed this, but if it serves a purpose, then please revert my edit. 0L1  Talk   Contribs  16:55 1/12/2006 (UTC)

Flitwick???
Where does it 'suggest' Flitwick will be deputy headmaster? Kochdude388 14:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Nowhere. It's just more fancrap.  Doc Sigma  (wait, what?) 15:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Secret of Godric
Source it or prepare to be terminated -er- reverted. Kochdude388 23:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I deleted it. Until someone can put a source, that title is just a rumor. WIKI-GUY-16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

verylong template
I just reverted the removal of practically everything except the first paragraph in each section. Someone either vandalizing or attempting to shorten the article. Sorry if I'm treading on anyone's toes with this. Daggoth S 04:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Weasel words?
Sorry to make another post, but I couldn't help but notice the constant use of "it is expected". Unfortunately, that falls under weasel words, unless sources are provided (NOTEWORTHY sources!). 199.126.137.209 10:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

New DADA teacher
I removed the bullet point about how Hogwarts will "of course need a new Defence against the Dark Arts teacher" per WP:V and WP:RS - there is no source, and the only results for this quote on Google are this page, and a page that has mirrored this page. 0L1  Talk   Contribs  20:14 16/12/2006 (UTC)
 * And Hogwarts will only need a new Defence Against the Dark Arts teacher if it re-opens, which is far from certain at the end of The Half-Blood Prince, so it isn’t even something that can be inferred. David Arthur 16:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Request for semiprotection
I've requested that this page be semiprotected, due to repetitive vandalism by IPs. See WP:RPP if you would like to see the entry. 0L1  Talk   Contribs  11:29 19/12/2006 (UTC)

 * Update: The page is now semi-protected. 0L1   Talk   Contribs  20:09 19/12/2006 (UTC)

 * Is it protected? I edited a minor section correcting some grammatical mistakes. Just want to check if it's properly protected ir not.Zuracech lordum 15:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

 * It's semi-protected meaning only registered users can edit it. -- Flutefluteflute Talk Contributions 15:25, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

First chapter excerpt
I found this on the Internet:

"Harry Potter awoke to the sound of birds gleefully chirping in the wild of their makeshift campsite. Hermione and Ron had already yanked themselves from slumber and were daintily cooking the chosen one's breakfast.  The three heroes needed their energy if they were to destroy Harry's immortal enemy who gets discussed a lot, but never really does anything and will never really die until the money dries up.  Harry, Ron, and Hermione must band together as vicious vigilantes and harness Professor Dumbledore's dying gift, a purple AK-47 that fires magic bullets and wizard lightning if they want to destroy yet another outlandish reincarnation of Voldemort once and for all."

It is an excerpt from the first chapter of Book Seven. Is it fake or real? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.105.107.36 (talk) 09:34, 20 December 2006 (UTC).

 * Fake. But even if it was "real", it still does not belong here.  The wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fan site for posting the latest rumours, gossip, and unsubstantiated tripe that you found on the internet on some idiot's blog page, or that was made up out of thin air, or whatever.  The rules for the wikipedia are clear.  Verifiability, and traceability from Reliable Sources, is far more important than an unverifiable "truth".  Original research, speculation, and other such material that "other people" made up is forbidden.  In addition, we avoid weasel wording like "some fans feel" and "experts agree" - if the statement cannot stand as verifiable truth without adding the "some people think" part, then it does not qualify.  Anyway, thanks for playing.  --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 11:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Lol. That's a pretty funny passage... the first sentence I wondered if it was at least a well-written forgery... then I read about Ron being "dainty" and cooking for "the chosen one", and knew it was a joke. But then all the stuff about "immortal enemy who gets discussed a lot but never does anything", and the purple AK-47 just had me laughing out loud. I really hope the original questioner wasn't really serious about asking... --Maelwys 17:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

 * If HP7 or most of it publishes on the web in spring 2007 it may be under the title "Harry Potter and the Grottner revelations". Some russkies simply cannot forgive Ms. Rowling. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.70.32.136 (talk) 14:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

Edinburgh interview
I removed information recently added about her dream about being in the seventh book. She said that, being the narrator, she knew the Horcrux was in a hidden nook in the fireplace. However, I think this was in a dream, rather than in the book. I may be wrong here - if so, please reply. 0L1  Talk   Contribs  21:04 20/12/2006 (UTC)

 * Agreed. First of all - this was NOT an interview.  It appeared on her web site, and the Edinburg paper picked up on it.  She clearly stated she was dreaming, and found herself in the role of the "narrator" and as "Harry" in the dream.  Things happened in the dream and she described them.  The full text reference is on the front page of her web site or on the text only version:
 * For years now, people have asked me whether I ever dream that I am 'in' Harry's world. The answer was 'no' until a few nights ago, when I had an epic dream in which I was, simultaneously, Harry and the narrator. I was searching for a Horcrux in a gigantic, crowded hall, which bore no resemblance to the Great Hall as I imagine it. As the narrator I knew perfectly well that the Horcrux was jammed in a hidden nook in the fireplace, while as Harry I was searching for it in all kinds of other places, while trying to make the people around me say lines I had pre-arranged for them. Meanwhile waiters and waitresses who work in the real café in which I have written huge parts of book seven roamed around me as though on stilts, all of them at least fifteen feet high. Perhaps I should cut back on the caffeine?
 * Rowling would not have revealed a crucial plot element of the "real" HP7 story, especially not on the front page of her web site, without specifically saying that this was what she was up to. --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 03:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Title
As a bit of a Christmas present today at JKRowling.com, the secret door was unlocked. Inside was a hangman game where the user would guess the title of the seventh installment of the series. If you completed the game you found out that the title of the final Potter book is, "Deathly Hallows".

JK stressed

Title Revealed!
Don't revert the move! http://www.mugglenet.com/ -- Flutefluteflute Talk Contributions 13:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * How do we find the original post (by Rowling herself)? This article only references mugglenet. Michaelsanders 13:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * http://www.mugglenet.com/app/news/show/550 -- Flutefluteflute Talk Contributions 13:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's another source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_6200000/newsid_6200500/6200573.stm

Should we not move the article?--81.236.17.8 15:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It already has been moved.  AxG   (talk)  15:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I heard it on the radio this evening, so it must be an official press anouncement. - Redmess 17:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's absolutely official, now scholastic.com is listing it on their front page. --Milo H Minderbinder 17:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Title For 7th Book Revealed.
The Title Has Been Revealed On http://www.jkrowling.com/ as:

Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallows
 * A bit slow on report, the page is already called that and the section above says the exact same thing. ;-) --Maelwys 14:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Title!
J.K. Rowling's site has what looks like the title of the seventh book: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. I'd cite Leaky or HPANA but it looks like they're both down...

Sigh... Wiki-newbie 17:27, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * So anyone want to start a betting pool on how many times someone starts a new "the title was announced!!!" section at the bottom of this page today? My money is on 27.  --Milo H Minderbinder 17:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Finally! I've beeen waiting for this for a long time! :D Half-Blood Auror 17:39, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I replaced the MuggleNet cite with a Bloomsbury Publishing cite. No offense to MuggleNet, but I think the UK publisher of the series is a better source.  Also, couldn't find (let alone link) the source at the Rowling site. - (Nuggetboy) (talk) (contribs) 17:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

 * The author's site has it as the reward in a Flash-based game, so it's not a suitable source just now. The publisher, of course, works fine. Radagast 18:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Title
Confirmed by the publisher of Harry Potter. The title of the seventh book is Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows.

Actually, take a closer look. It is Hollows, not Hallows. Sewnmouthsecret 18:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Nope, Scholatic, Bloomsbury and the BBC conclude that it's Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. Only Yahoo against this. RHB 18:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

 * My bad. Sewnmouthsecret 18:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

It's the A. See this, from the scholastic site, no doubt about it. --Milo H Minderbinder 18:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you think the "Deathly Hallows" has anything to do with Godric Hollow? Simply south 18:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Nope -. RHB 18:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

(Comment I originally made here moved to it's own section) --Reverend Loki 20:44, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Archives
Should the archives be renamed with the proper title of the book.  AxG (talk) 18:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

No. It's an archive. Wiki-newbie 18:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Hangman at www.jkrowling.com
The way to find the title is to go to jkrowling.com, click on the eraser, you will be brought into a room with a mirror and a hallway. You then click on the farthest door handle, then a christmas tree pops up. Click on that, and then click the middle of the door next to the mirror. A wreath will pop up. Click on the upper portion of the mirror and a some garland will pop up. Click on the spiderweb and it will dissapear. Then click on the second to right chime and hold it down. It will turn into a key, which you will use to open the door. In the door will be a wrapped present. Click on the present twice, and you will play hangman. The correct answer will be "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows"

Shouldn't this be mentioned somewhere in the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.91.36.175 (talk) 20:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC).
 * No, this is too fancrufty to be included. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information -- if people want to find out they can go to Wikipedia, which is not a fan site. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 20:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedian In Trouble!
Hi, I'm an Israeli wikipedian in translation emergency. how do you translate "Deathly Hallows"? is it Hallow as in Halloween, or the british way of writing Hollow as in Godric's Hollow?

 * I've taken a comment I already made and given it new prominence below; I'd suggest you see it for a bit more info. Yes, it is as in "Halloween" - Halloween was once called "All Hallows Eve", being the night before "All Hallows Day", more commonly called "All Saint's Day".  Read the definition I link to below for more help deciding on a good translation, but if all else fails, maybe just translates "Hallows" as "Saints".  --Reverend Loki 20:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

 * We hope Rowling would have said "Hollow" if she meant something like Godric's Hollow. She said "Hallows" and specifically "Deathly Hallows", and not "Deathly Hollows".  There was some confusion in the press as to whether she meant "Hollows" instead of "Hallows", probably due to automated spelling and grammar checkers and correctors in most word processors picking up on the "problem".
 * Anyway "Hallow" is and derives from an old English verb, meaning to sanctify, to consecrate, to venerate, to respect, or to set apart to make holy; as in "Hallowed be Thy name...". There should be plenty of candidate words to translate to in Hebrew - we shudder to ask though.  Meanwhile what exactly a "Deathly Hallow" is, or what it implies, Rowling is not saying, but it seems pretty bizarre.  The form suggests a conversion of the verb form of "Hallow" to a related noun - as in for example the expression "Deathly Marches" comes from the verb "March" as in to war.  Not sure what that noun-form "Deathly Hallows" might imply as yet - perhaps "Deathly Consecrations"?.  Stay tuned - perhaps Rowling will get asked that question soon in the press.  By the way - the origin of "Hallowe'en was "All Hallow Even" - not "Hallows Eve" as commonly reported - check any legitimate dictionary. --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 21:04, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I certainly didn't want this discussion to become derailed, but... Random House Unabridged acknowledges "All Hallows Eve", derived from "All Hallows Even".  American Heritage acknowledges "All Hallow Even", citing prior ancestry as "All Hallowmas Even".  I never intended to give a full etymology of the word, just enough of one to give an idea of the connection between the two.  Yes, All Hallow Even is a correct archaic term, but to say that it is the correct archaic term is erroneous.  And no, I never could leave well enough alone... why do you ask?  That said, you do raise a good question - I had assumed that she was using the term "Hallows" as a noun, the definition as a Saint or holy person, and not as the verb to sanctify, which could fit as well.  I'd imagine that bit of information could make a huge difference in the translation...  --Reverend Loki 22:16, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I had not found any legitimate traceable source for "Hallows" as a plural noun meaning "saints", but plenty of evidence to show it is a very old mistranslation and misinterpretation - something like an urban legend, but much older. Unfortunately many dictionaries, particularly online ones, pick up on common improper usage by the ignorant, and then make it "authorized" and thus canonical.  Thanks for the lead on the Random House Unabridged - will have to see what in the world THEY were thinking when they converted "Hallow(ed)", as in "God's name is ~", to "Hallows", as in "the 'Saints' eve/day".  Incidently, in the Latin version of The Lord's Prayer, the word for "Hallowed" is "Sanctificetur", meaning "sanctified", and the English word "saint" comes through the Latin "sanctus" (holy), from the verb "sancire" (to consecrate).  So, we are back to what - "Deathly Consecrations"?
 * By the way - here are the instructions for getting to the new Title for Book 7, directly from Rowling's web site (source: CNN.com).
 * Go to her English home page, and land on her "desk top". Click on the pink eraser and you will be taken to her "front door".  You'll see a window with a plant and chimes, a door and a mirror.  In the mirror reflection, you'll see a hallway with some doors. Click on the farthest doorknob on the left in the mirror, and a Christmas tree appears. Then click on the upper-half center of the door next to the mirror, and a wreath appears on the door. Then click in the top area of the mirror (ceiling) and you'll see a garland appear along the hallway.  Look for a cobweb, at the upper right corner of the door. Click on it, and it will disappear. Now, look at the chimes in the window. Click on the second chime from the right, and hold it down for a few seconds and release. The chime will turn into a golden key.  Click and drag it to the door lock and click at the lock - the key turns, then open the door latch.  Click on the wrapped gift behind the door, then click on it again to open the puzzle, and figure out the title yourself by playing a game of hangman.  This process reveals the authoritative direct-from-Rowling version of the title - without any possible contamination or distortion by the conspiring Press (j/k).  --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 23:05, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

 * After some reflection, I'm leaning towards "Hallows" being a synonym for "Consecrations", though admittedly it is after some speculation on my part. I'm thinking that the "Deathly Hallows" refers to the imminent tasks of finding and "taking care of" the remaining horcruxes.  But again, that's pure speculation on my part and has no part in the article.  We may not be able to pin this one down until Rowling or another source drops us some idea on the subject.  --Reverend Loki 23:41, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

More speculation - Rowling's titles have all, thus far, been purely literal (although 'Halfblood Prince' was a bit iffy, since it was a nickname rather than an actual Prince). Whilst it is possible that she has bucked precedent by making the title descriptive rather than literal (it certainly seems slightly odd compared to the others), precedent would suggest the Deathly Hallows to be either a place, a person/people, an organisation or an object. With the first probably being most likely. Just my thoughts. Michaelsanders 17:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you! The Israeli Wikipedian community thanks you for your help and wishes you happy holidays. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.152.2.224 (talk) 12:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

Hallow vs Hollow
I mentioned this previously under a different topic, but decided ultimately that it should be it's own based in part on discussion that followed that topic. So, here we go.

It is important to note at this time that "Hallow" means a saint or holy person, or to sanctify, make holy, whereas "Hollow" means a sunken valley or an empty space. --Reverend Loki 20:43, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Title
Just thought I'd let you know, the title of Book 7 has been released as "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows". It's on numerous Harry Potter sites, by now.

Quick question
Other than the phrase being the answer on a hangman game on J K Rowling's website, is there definite confirmation that it's the title? Or are we all just assuming that it'll be the title? Proto :: ►  23:41, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It has been confimed by scholastic.com and bloomsbury.com and widely reported by mainstream news media. --Milo H Minderbinder 23:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * OK. It's just that Scholastic, Bloomsbury and the mainstream media's entire definitive source for this is all just the one flash Hangman game.  I've added a screenshot of the game.  Proto ::  ►  23:53, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well since they're the publishers, I would guess they know what the title is. They probably don't use flash games to figure out what their author is writing. --Phoenix Hacker 00:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

After it gets released...
Will the content of this page remain in some form? Even though some of the speculation will inevitably be proven incorrect, will there be some way of Wikipedia acknowledging what the popular theories were about the novel's content? Cherry pizza 01:08, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Actually this problem strongly illustrates exactly why it is that speculation about a future "reality" is to be avoided in "just the facts please" encyclopedias, and the Wikipedia, and why so many editors have been working so hard for so long to stamp it out. Theoretically, the only thing that should be required to change in the article after the book is released, is the addition of a plot summary, and perhaps some information about book sales and public reaction to the conclusion of the series.  Everything else that has to be changed should probably have never been there in the first place.  Unfortunately that constitutes the majority of the article, which is why it cannot be a "Good Article".  The HP fanatics insist on constantly adding to the Wikipedia all the latest theories and speculations that show up on their favorite web sites and blog pages - primarily because they are somewhere halfway between bored and excited about the prospects of the next book, searching for their own answers about the fate of Harry et al.  And with a practically unlimited base of fans, the theories and speculations are practically unlimited.  It is a terrific cultural phenomenon, but also a major pain in the neck for the more mature Wikipedians.  --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 02:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That has nothing to do with wikipedia... and it will most likely be deleted by then. But if you are interested, you can dig the history (going to the date right before the release) and read it yourself.--70.187.163.141 02:54, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

 * The only speculation on the page is cited speculation. Minor fan theories should not be there, and if they are, remove them immediately. But if there is present "speculation", as in "Rowling has stated this will happen or something about this will be relevant in the seventh book", then it definitely belongs there, as those are facts, with references, which are relevant at this point in time to the book, despite its not being published. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 05:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Agreed. What we can and should allow in the article is direct quotes or paraphrases from the HP books (with citings of "chapter and verse", as they say...), information from the HP films (with a "canonical asterisk" wherever they might contradict the books), information posted on Rowling's web site (with a direct link to the text-only english version), and quotes from Rowling interviews that are Verifiable from Reliable Sources.  Fan-based Interpretations and projections into the unpublished "future" should always be avoided, except perhaps in the context of a separate "fan reactions" section, and those should preferably be documented and cited from the reputable Press organizations, in order to Avoid Weasel Wording, such as "Some fans feel..."  --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 16:51, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Circumstances alter cases. But in this case there is a lot of information from Rowlings which has collected over the years about her books, and logically everything she has mentioned which hasn't happened yet, has to be in the last book. So there isn't much need to include fan speculation, there is plenty of Rowling teaser information to make up an article. Geting back to the issue of content, once the book is out and people can read for themselves what is in it, and indeed we will no doubt have a summary here, then the pre-release tips become considerably less important. What may remain of interest would be a comparison of the final work with any statements she has made beforehand which contradict what actually is in the book. That sort of thing might be of interest where it sheds light on how the books were written. But I would imagine that after publication Rowling herself will be more willing to talk about the writing process, and any plot changes she had to make. So again, the existing information may be overtaken by new stuff and be removed as no longer important. But anyone wishing to see what is here now, can always go back through the page history. Sandpiper 21:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Speculation
I've just removed a lot of speculation from "Known plot details" which followed the form of "Harry is expected to / will probably...". Please remember that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball; even if certain details seem likely (for example, Harry fighting a final battle with Voldemort), stating that they will happen is still speculative. Zetawoof(ζ) 03:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

 * You wanted some discussion why I put the info back on which you deleted? Ok, here it is. You didn't discuss the removals either. You just removed the info and then you told us you did it instead of first giving us a chance to discuss which info should be removed and which shouldn't. I think you took it a bit too easy. Many people contributed to the section truncated by you, including myself. Don't you think it would have been wise to talk that over with everyone before taking action? I think you deleted a lot of non-crystal-orb things in your haste to get the article changed. That's why I restored the text. --Maxl 20:44, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

 * All right, then, I'll enumerate the deletions...
 * "Harry is likely to have a battle with Lord Voldemort".
 * This is indeed quite likely, but I don't think it's been confirmed anywhere.
 * "[Harry won't be returning to Hogwarts - sourced] ...but that doesn't mean he [Harry] might not make an appearance on Hogwarts grounds at some point during the story."
 * This doesn't say anything. At best, it's a random bit of equivocation.
 * Minerva McGonagall is the most likely [new Headmistress], as she served as deputy headmistress under Dumbledore, and because she seems to have inherited the office from Dumbledore. Additionally, when Dumbledore was removed from office in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, it was McGonagall who took over as Headmistress."
 * Pure speculation.
 * "New instructors will assume the posts for Defence Against the Dark Arts (replacing Severus Snape), and possibly Transfiguration in the event Minerva McGonagall becomes Headmistress. There may also be new Heads of Gryffindor House and Slytherin House. Horace Slughorn is the most likely candidate for head of Slytherin House. Rubeus Hagrid is also possible for Gryffindor. If Minerva McGonagall becomes headmistress a new deputy headmaster or deputy headmistress will have to be appointed."
 * These are likely (although they could very easily be skipped if the book doesn't pay much attention to Hogwarts). However, again, they're unconfirmed.
 * "If Hogwarts is re-opened, then a new Head Boy and Head Girl will be appointed."
 * Like the rest: likely but unconfirmed.
 * "The quest to identify, locate, and destroy Voldemort's remaining Horcruxes will continue. The remaining Horcruxes must be destroyed before Voldemort can be successfully conquered."
 * I would be extremely surprised if Deathly Hallows didn't focus on the Horcruxes. However - again! - we don't know. The last part is pure speculation.
 * "There is no suggestion in the prophecy that Harry will prevail over Lord Voldemort; at this time it is unknown. More of the things that happened on the night this prophecy was made will be revealed, and that most probably play a very important point in the survival of Harry or Voldemort."
 * The first sentence says nothing. The second one is totally speculative.
 * "The true and final loyalties of Severus Snape will be revealed, with an explanation of Dumbledore's death at the hands of Snape, and in Snape's reporting of the prophecy about Harry Potter to Voldemort. A confrontation between Snape and Harry is expected."
 * Pure speculation. Expected by who?
 * "In the third book, Wormtail incurred a debt to Harry when Harry saved Wormtail's life. Wormtail has not yet had the opportunity to discharge this debt. (page 459, Bloomsbury pocket edition)(Page 375, Scholastic Press edition). On that very night, Dumbledore said to a sceptical Harry that he would one day be glad that he had saved the life of Voldemort's servant."
 * This one manages to avoid speculation only by failing to say anything.
 * "More will become known about Harry's scar."
 * Speculation.
 * "Also, this book will explain why some people can become ghosts while others cannot . One of the important characters will appear as a ghost in this book  . (This may have already been answered, at least to a certain degree, in Order of the Phoenix Chapter 38, where Nearly Headless Nick explains that wizards who are afraid of death often return as ghosts.)"
 * This was already tagged as needing citation, and the last sentence makes this look rather questionable.
 * "It will become clear in this book the meaning of the howler letter sent to Aunt Petunia by Dumbledore in the opening of book five. Till now, it is unknown what "remember my last" means, although Rowling addressed the question on her web site . Also, Rowling had stated that we will find out more about Aunt Petunia in the last book. "
 * This one has a reference. However, the reference doesn't confirm anything: all it tells us is that JKR isn't saying much. Extrapolating from this to a statement that Deathly Hallows will elaborate is quite a jump.
 * "She refused to comment when asked whether the locked door in the Department of Mysteries in the Ministry of Magic would feature in the final book. "
 * This doesn't tell us anything about the book. It's an interesting jumping-off-point for speculation, but there are plenty of those already. The reference is irrelevant, as there's nothing being stated.
 * "We will discover what Dudley Dursley's worst memory was when he stood in front of the Dementors in the passage between Magnolia Crescent and Wisteria Walk. "
 * Already tagged as needing citation. I might have seen this somewhere else, but I'd want to see a reference before putting this in the article.
 * The only time I've seen this mentioned is on one interview - reference here; http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrwbd.shtml . It would've been interpolated or whatever from this one statement.
 * Amy: What did Dudley see when he faced the Dementors in book five?
 * JK Rowling replies -> Ah, good question. You'll find out! Daggoth S 14:26, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "Rowling has stated that there will be a member of the Order of the Phoenix who has been seen very little so far who will be important in the seventh book. "
 * As above: needs citation to stand in the article.
 * "Rowling has been consulted on the film versions of the books, so as to ensure that important aspects of the story do not get omitted or changed that might contradict her future plans for the series. After completion of Prisoner of Azkaban she was interviewed and commented that she was startled by clues which had crept into the film, relating to the final outcome of the series. "
 * Again, needs citation. Also, this doesn't really say anything about the book anyway.
 * Citation found: see below.
 * "Rowling has promised fans that they'll, "See [stuff] again" from Ginny in book seven, implying that at some point, whether Harry likes it or not, she will become involved in the fight against Voldemort. "
 * Needs citation. Also, "implying" is a word to be avoided. Wikipedia shouldn't be drawing conclusions.
 * Comment inline if you think you can resurrect one of the statements I killed with a citation - if you can cite a JKR interview or other reliable source which confirms one of these statements, I have no problem with them being in the article. Please don't mass-restore, though; a lot of these are pretty blatant speculation. Zetawoof(ζ) 21:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, that was a good trimming, Zetawoof. I'm just going to restore the second-to-last one, about the PoA film, as per this source (search for "Alfonso had good intuition…" to find the paragraph where she says the quote). --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 03:50, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That's exactly the sort of citation I was looking for, thanks. I'm still not sure that this belongs in the article, though, as it doesn't really say anything about Deathly Hallows, except perhaps very indirectly. It might fit nicely in the PoA film article, though. Zetawoof(ζ) 07:00, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

if the title is known
than why isnt it on the main article? are we getting slow here? strange 2 secs after i post here it appears?
 * You posted your message at 3:54 UTC, December 22. The article was moved to reflect the appropriate title some 14 hours earlier, and 10 minutes later it was inserted into the main body of text. If you didn't see this before you posted, you may have needed to purge the page. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 05:56, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Sentence structure
Rowling has stated that,more so than the other books in the series, the final volume is a continuation of the story line from the sixth book of the series, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.

This suggests that the other books in the series could and have followed book six. I think what someone is getting at is that the seventh book is more of a continuation from the last book and that the other books in the series have not followed each other as closely. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fruitjunk (talk • contribs) 14:06, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

7/7/7 release
I see someone keeps adding that potential date and the signficance it has. While an interesting idea, it is all original research and speculation. And until it can be proved to be anything other than that, do not add it. 199.126.137.209 09:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * [Funny . . .There is a lot of speculation on this page and original research. Hum . . . No wonder I do not allow my students to use it in their term papers.] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.91.80.52 (talk • contribs).

 * I agree with you here. Although there is a good chance of this release data, is still speculation, and should therefore be deleted per WP:NOT: Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. 0L1   Talk   Contribs  19:15 15/12/2006 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid the likely release date is one of the most interesting things about the next book, what readers want to know, so it is rather important we include whatever is known. and while I'm not necessarily convinced 7/7/7 is likely, it has occurred to a lot of people that it would be a very apt date. That deserves pointing out. Sandpiper 07:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey guys I changed the release date to "Unconfirmed. Presumed 2007". This is basically down to the fact that a lot of people take Wikipedia as official. I know Leaky has recieved many emails about it so I changed it so save confusion. Thanks. Andthehouseelf 22:11, 21 December 2006 (GMT)
 * Just a thought but if the release date is 7/7/7 then the book should been sent to the publishers around now. The announcement that HBP was sent to the publisher came out just before Christmas and was released in the middle of summer. So, there must be a roughly 6 month lead time between sent to the publisher and it appearing on bookshelves. --[[Image:European flag.svg|20px[[Image:Flag of Scotland.svg|20px]] '''[[User:Colin Angus Mackay|Colin Angus Mackay]]''']] 03:39, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I can't see it being 7th July, given that that was the date of this. I wouldn't think Bloomsbury would want the sort of publicity and Press comment that releasing on that date might generate. I've just put in a pre-order on Amazon for a copy, and the order confirmation says Dispatch estimate for these items: 22 Feb 2007. Whether that's a Big Clue, or whether it just happens to be "two months less one day from today" I don't know. Tonywalton  | Talk 10:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Plus, the movie comes out a week after that. I doubt they'd want to have the two fighting for media attention and/or turning two potential huge events into one (since a release further apart would stretch out the media coverage and public attention.  I have no problem with deleting the 7/7/7 speculation, even if there are references to people speculating it.  --Milo H Minderbinder 12:50, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I work for a large chain bookstore. 7/7/7 is the date we've been given. I'm not going to add it again because obviously i have no published source to back that up. . . but i'm pretty sure the date is correct. makes sense, numerology-wise. -- he ah  05:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And I work for a large company selling a bridge in brooklyn. When the date is decided, it will be announced.  If they gave the date to bookstores first, it would leak (and it would be in the mainstream press, not an anonymous person who knows this guy...).  It will be announced when it is announced, enough with the speculation.  --Milo H Minderbinder 13:56, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * (note: comments previously posted by this editor were subsequently deleted) font color="FF0000">he ah  14:16, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The criteria for allowing information in the Wikipedia is not the "truth", for example something that you have been told and very firmly believe, but Verifiability from a Reliable Source.
 * 1. Articles should contain only material that has been published by reliable sources. 2. Editors adding new material should cite a reliable source, or it may be challenged or removed by any editor. 3. The obligation to provide a reliable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not on those seeking to remove it.
 * If you can produce proof from a reliable source, then it is allowable. If not, then sorry, your information does not meet the requirements, and must be disallowed.  Sorry, but these are the policies and guidelines of the Wikipedia.  If you want to play, then you have to play by the rules.  Sorry.  --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 14:30, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow, I don't even know what to say, heah. I would think an admin and someone who has been around would know better.  And lay off the incivility already.  --Milo H Minderbinder 19:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Look, i really just thought you guys might be interested. as i've said TWICE already, this wasn't for inclusion in the article.  i said that right off the bat, said it a second time, and have now said it again.  (my exact words the first time being I'm not going to add it again because obviously i have no published source to back that up.)  There isn't any need to explain verifiability to me, and i'm surprised that my comments didn't make that clear.  Sorry for abusing the talk page with chatter going beyond the scope of this article, but i just thought you guys might be interested, and i thought i had made it very clear that i was in no way trying to suggest that we take my word and include the date in the article.
 * personally i don't think my second comment was all that uncalled for in light of the sarcastic "i can sell you a bridge in brooklyn" comment, as not being a dick is a pseudo-policy-ish-type-thingy 'round these parts, and i was referencing that in light of the sarcastic comment. but perhaps i was wrong in saying it, so i apologize for that as well, milo.  I should know better than to escalate such things.  I guess i just kinda feel like i had made it very clear that i wasn't trying to get approval to put this in the article, and that my several years here and the fact that the community trusts me enough to have approved me as an admin should be enough to suggest that i'm probably not simply full of it--on top of simple assume good faith--meaning that the sarcastic comment was simply uncalled for.
 * So again, sorry. other than cluttering up the talk page, i'm just not sure what the problem was with me telling you all what i found out at work.  i mean, i was excited.  i hadn't heard the date or the name yet, until a few hours before i posted it here.
 * cheers
 * he ah  00:58, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I suppose you've seen User:Cyde/Don't_be_a_fucking_douchebag. Robin Johnson (talk) 05:14, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait . . . are you calling me a fucking douchebag? . . . ;)
 * anyways . . . i apologized . . . i was wrong . . . shouldn't have said it . . . So i'm not sure what else to say . ..
 * -- he ah  16:56, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree too. This is just speculation, not proven fact.Codelyoko194 03:20, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Book Image
Anyone else think we could use this image as a placeholder for the book's cover: http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000818XA0.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_V49844226_.jpg

It's from Amazon.com (obviously) --Brand Eks 19:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If Amazon crated it, it would be copyrighted. I don't see why we need to use a fair use image to demonstrate a cover that doesn't exist anyway. —Cuivi é nen 19:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Scholastic created the image, Amazon just uses it. --Brand Eks 19:58, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * How do we know for sure that Scholastic created that image? Is it available somewhere on the scholastic website?  --Milo H Minderbinder 20:42, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No. Even if we were to use a placeholder image it wouldn't be that one. The picture that goes in the infoboxes are the Bloomsbury covers, not Scholastic ones. If you still want to add one you should be using the one on amazon.co.uk, here. But like I said, I'm just pointing that out (I'm not agreeing, or disagreeing with the proposal) - Рэд хот (t • c • e) 12:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Brand Eks 18:28, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone added the Scholastic image. Now that I see what it's like in the article, I've decided it shouldn't be there (not even the Bloomsbury one) cause, let's face it - it doesn't serve any real purpose does it? I've nominated the Scholastic one for deletion on the grounds that it's unencyclopaedic. - Рэд хот (t • c • e) 12:16, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk page archive
I'm planning on archiving this page. Any objections? 0L1  Talk   Contribs  22:06 23/12/2006 (UTC)
 * I've noticed a lot of archiving going on of late. Why do we need to archive so much? Also, is there a way to consolidate existing archives so there are not so many of them? They are supposed to be for reference, but it gets absurd to have lots of short archives. This page is not currently unmanageably long. Sandpiper 23:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * See WP:ARCHIVE first. "It is customary on Wikipedia to periodically archive old discussions on a talk page when it becomes too large. Bulky talk pages are difficult to navigate and usually contain obsolete discussion. Additionally, large talk pages are a burden for users with slow Internet connections, and some users may not be able to edit pages larger than 32 kB because of browser page size limits. If possible it is better to archive talk pages during a lull in the discussion, as it is best to avoid archiving in the midst of an active discussion so that the full context of the discussion is together."  Some of the discussions on this page are very up to date - from just the last few days - and archiving these hot topics will invite newbies to restart previously discussed and resolved issues.  I think a good rule of thumb would be to archive only those topics that are clearly obsolete, and at least a month old.  If the page is clearly getting too large and bulky, then perhaps archiving a major discussion under a suitable archive name (eg: "Discussion on This Topic...") would help direct other users to that page, and a short summary of the topic with a link to the archive might also be helpful.  --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 00:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I was planning to leave the last few discussions on the front page, as they may not yet be finished. Also, this page is much more than 32kb - it's 50kb, thus breaking browser size limits. Finally, most of the discussion on this page is announcing the title, showing how to get the title, and updating the article because of the title. I think that now this has been done, it would be an appropriate time to archive the page. 0L1   Talk   Contribs  12:05 24/12/2006 (UTC)
 * We are in agreement. I was only pointing out some suggested guidelines for what to archive and what to leave.  The Title Announcement group, comprising several topics, could be archived as a group and referenced with a short one-liner topic saying essentially "see Deathly Hollows Title Announcement discussion in the archives", with a link to the specific archive page.  Other topics that were discussed and are clearly obsolete and not particularly active in the last week or two can also be archived.  I did not mean to come across as being against archiving.  I would only be opposed to archiving currently actively discussed topics, because once they are archived, they cannot (or should not) be further commented on.  I think we are in agreement, and I apologize if it appeared I was not.  Must be getting cranky over the burned out Christmas Lights that are just out of reach.  --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 15:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Hanggman
How do you get the key to open the door? 71.30.2.191 18:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Please remember that this page is for discussing the article, not its content. From HPANA:

 * Click doorway in mirror to see Christmas tree.
 * Click on the top half of the door to get the wreath.
 * Click on the top of the mirror to get the garland.
 * Click on the spider web right next to the door to make them go away.
 * Click the 4th chime in the window and get the key for the door.
 * Drag key to unlock the door.
 * Door opens to show a desk with a package.
 * Click the bow on the package and it will open.
 * Click the inside of the package and a game of Hangman is shown where you can play a game to guess the name of the seventh book.
 * You can keep playing till you get it right and when you do a check mark will appear.

 * 0L1  Talk   Contribs  19:42 24/12/2006 (UTC)

 * I cant dragf the key. Ho do you drag it?69.40.113.200 04:43, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Now I've tried again, I can't drag it either. Perhaps you could get some help by posting at a Harry Potter forum. 0L1 | Talk | Contribs 23:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Lists!
A good chunk of this page is dedicated to lists of facts. Lists and lists and more lists! It seems more like a collection of random facts than encyclopedic content to me. --Cadby (talk) 19:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

 * As the book hasn't been released, we only have strands of information available from JK Rowling. If you can find a way to make it more fluent, please do. 0L1   Talk   Contribs  20:52 24/12/2006 (UTC)

What is this doing here?
'On National Public Radio's "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me" News Quiz Show, the Fill in the Blanks Question on December 24th, 2006, was phrased:"An online puzzle revealed to readers the title of the soon to be released book, BLANK and the Deathly Hallows."'Is this a legit Surce? Or Relevant? I'm inclined to answer no to both my annoyingly retorical questions. But am open to imput. Eldonkeyo 05:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What exactly is your question? The "HP&the Deathly Hallows" title for Book 7 was revealed on Rowling's web site on the 21st of December.  All the major news media carried the story extensively.  Who cares what NPR's quiz show did 3 days after that?  The truth was already out there.  --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 20:05, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Mistakes in the page
At | Information from J. K. Rowling: When further questioned in June 2006 about authors who kill off their main characters, Rowling said "I can completely understand, however, the mentality of an author who thinks, well, I'm going to kill them off because that means there can be no non-author-written sequels'".

I suppose who=why. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.69.229.66 (talk) 20:42, 27 December 2006 (UTC).

 * No, it doesn't. John Reaves 05:31, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia and the Over-extensive Speculation
IMO this page would be just as satisfying if it simply stated 'DH is the announced title of the seventh HP book, which has not yet been published,' and included links to the (four or five) most relevant fansites. This is not an article about DH; it's an article about speculation on DH, whether there are supporting statements in JKR's chat transcipts or not. It's quite an interesting compilation of info, and harmless, as it's time-limited, but it is not what I would call encyclopaedic. Njál 21:38, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say there's a fine l ine between speculation and what JKR has said will be in the book, which is certainly encyclopedic. People come to the article to learn what the book's about, JKR has said this, this and this, so we "report" that, as it were. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 07:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'm sorry but this has to be said.
Go here and read this. I removed it, but it is absolutely amusing if not disgusting. --JohanTenge - /spit 22:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Where did that come from??? What an imagination..lol. KathzzZz cHat 23:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

--- For some reason it's not amidst the history anymore. Pity. Would've liked to contact the writer of this. --JohanTenge - /spit 02:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Headwhat?
"With the departure of Severus Snape,HBP Ch.28 a new teacher is needed in the Defence Against the Dark Arts postHBP Ch.8 and Head of Slytherin House.PS Ch.8 With the death of Albus Dumbledore,HBP Ch.27 a new Headteacher is needed. In the time that he was dead in Half-Blood Prince, Minerva McGonagall, Deputy Headmistress, took over this position.HBP Ch.29 If she succeeds Dumbledore, the positions of Deputy Headteacher,PS Ch.4 Transfiguration teacher, and Head of Gryffindor HousePS Ch.8 are vacant." As you can see, the title as referring to specific people has been left gender-appropriate, as used in the books: thus "Minerva McGonagall, Deputy Headmistress." But it is thoroughly inappropriate to use those terms when not referring to specific people. First, it is politically incorrect. Second, since we know that the two posts are open to both men and women, without prejudice, it is unlikely that the official post is 'Headmaster'. Third, it is misleading: it implies that Dumbledore's replacement will be a man, and McGonagall's (if necessary) will be a woman. Headteacher (or head) is a perfectly acceptable and accepted title when referring to the position (as opposed to a specific person), so why complain? Michaelsanders 00:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't try and denfend it with P.C. b---s---. Surely you don't need to stoop to that, see WP:NOT.  The books use the terms "Headmaster" and "Headmistress", so this is what we should use.  And 5 or 6 words is hardly "unecessary elongation". John Reaves 00:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Polite today, aren't you? And it is unnecessary: what is the point of saying "Headmaster or mistress", when one can simply say "Headteacher" or "Head"? If you already recognise that both options need to be acknowledged, it is far simpler to use the non-specific term. Michaelsanders 00:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't know how sensitve you were with the political corectness and what-not - I've edit my comments so that they may not offend you anymore. "Head" could be confusing to an American or other non-British nationality. "Headteacher" simply doesn't reflect what J.K. Rowling has written, if 'Headmaster' and mistress where not so frequently used throughout the text, I would not be opposed. John Reaves 00:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No doubt all the lack of 'z's is confusing to Americans. Since we use British English in HP articles, however, that really isn't an issue. Michaelsanders 00:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I realized the British English point to late to beat you to it. Americans are crafty enough to deduce the 's' and 'z' connection, don't worry. I think Head is a good compromise in the midst of my BE revelation. Would you link "Head" to whatever article is most appropriate for explaining the meaning?

 * Crafty enough? Not judging by the editors who repeatedly hypercorrect 'recognise' to 'recognize', 'realise' to 'realize', etc. I have linked head to Head teacher, which begins, "A head teacher, headmaster or headmistress (all often referred to simply as the head)...". It also, incidentally, states, "The terms "headmaster" and "headmistress" used to be the standard throughout both the state and private sectors, with "head teacher" usually only being used to refer to them collectively.In recent years, however, it has become usual to officially use the gender-neutral term in state schools." Michaelsanders 01:11, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm with you on the idiot editors, they're the ones that give us a bad name. You have to consider the ones who don't change the spelling too.  Despite what the article says, it doesn't regulate which term is used in a fictional, private magic school.  I say it's fine the way it is.  John Reaves 01:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm going to assume you mean 'the way it currently is' (my fault here: I'm too tired to work out if you mean 'is' as the way it was before we started fiddling, or the way it currently is). Incidentally, if I were to describe Hogwarts according to British standards, I'd call it a state school (if one accepts the state to be 'The wizarding population of Great Britain and Ireland'): it doesn't restrict access, it takes everyone, and it is non-fee paying. That's better than a grammar school. Michaelsanders 01:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I meant. We're straying from the subject, so I'll just leave it here. John Reaves 01:24, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopedic content
To be quite honest,this entry on Wikipedia reads more like a poorly written supported opinion paragraph than an encyclopedia. I don't see other encylopedias using the term I as if it were a person refering to themself. (note that I am talking about the Con sections) if the sections written like this could be cleaned up this could be a much better article.

On an unrelated note, I tried editing out some things on the page ( A small comment "the longer the better, lol") on the article page, and yet when I went to remove it I couldn't find it on the edit page.74.119.210.239 04:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

 * The "longer the better" comment was among about 40k of speculation put in by an anonymous user, which I reverted - you probably tried to remove it at the same time. Robin Johnson (talk) 06:52, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

film split confirmed
the following is from http://www.evannalynchfans.com

"Well guys you will get the news first. Today I went down to Millennium Bridge to check out the filming for HBP. They were set up at the base of the bridge, there was quite a lot of equipment. I got speaking to one of the crew who was really friendly. There were about 120 extras standing on the bridge. There was a helicopter that was filming it all and coming down right close to the bridge to get the shots. The crew member told me that they will have stunt men jumping/falling into the Thames from the bridge later on (shame I couldn't stay to watch it).

They closed off the area when the scenes were being filmed but you could still see everything. They are only allowed to film every half hour, so as to allow members of the public onto the bridge. I then started speaking to the crew member about filming, I asked him about Deathly Hallows and YES IT WILL BE SPLIT INTO TWO MOVIES!!! which will be shot continuously. There are also still location shoots to be done in London but he said he's not allowed to tell me where."

shall we mention this or wait for someone else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.220.188 (talk) 17:04, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

mugglenet is now reporting this as well —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.220.188 (talk) 22:38, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


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Michael Haneke

Michael Haneke (born 23 March 1942) is an Austrian film director and screenwriter. His work often examines social issues and depicts the feelings of estrangement experienced by individuals in modern society. Haneke has made films in French, German, and English and has worked in television and theatre, as well as cinema. He also teaches film direction at the Film Academy Vienna.

Haneke is known for his "glaciation" trilogy, consisting of The Seventh Continent (1989), Benny's Video (1992), and 71 Fragments of a Chronology of Chance (1994), each of which depict a "coldly bureaucratic society in which genuine human relationships have been supplanted by a deep-seated collective malaise" and explore "the relationship among consumerism, violence, mass media, and contemporary alienation". He has since won the Cannes Film Festival's Grand Prix for The Piano Teacher (2001) as well as its Palme d'Or twice, for The White Ribbon (2009) and Amour (2012), the latter of which received five Academy Award nominations and won the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film. He is also known for directing Funny Games (1997), Code Unknown (2000), Caché (2005), and Happy End (2017).

Early life and education
Haneke is the son of German actor and director Fritz Haneke and Austrian actress. His stepfather, the composer, had later married the mother of actor Christoph Waltz. Haneke was raised in the city of Wiener Neustadt, Austria.

Haneke showed a strong interest in literature and music, but as an adolescent developed a "downright contempt for any form of school". During this period of his life, he has later described himself as a "rebel". He had ambitions of becoming an actor in his youth, later abandoning these plans after failing an entrance examination at the Max Reinhardt Seminar in Vienna. He later attended the University of Vienna to study philosophy, psychology and drama. Not a committed student, he would spend most of his time attending local movie theatres. After leaving university, he began working odd jobs, before working as an editor and dramaturge at the southwestern German television station Südwestfunk from 1967 to 1970, a time during which he also worked as a film critic. He made his debut as a television director in 1974.

1974–1988: Early work in television
Haneke started his career directing numerous television projects. He made his debut as a writer and director with the 1974 television movie After Liverpool starring Hildegard Schmahl and Dieter Kirchlechner. The project originally started as a radio play. He then directed two more television films, Three Paths to the Lake (1976), about war photo journalist faces a moral crisis when she is forced to examine the implications of her work, and another telefilm Sperrmüll (1976). In 1979 he directed two episodes of Lemminge followed by Variation – oder Daß es Utopien gibt, weiß ich selber! (1983). In 1986 he directed Fraulein: A German Melodrama which was described as Haneke's answer to Fassbinder's The Marriage of Maria Braun. Haneke wanted to make a film about German history that doesn't drown in self-pity and yet still attracts the public". A few years later he would make the experimental tele-documentary film Nachruf für einen Mörder about a young Austrian who provoked a hideous bloodbath in Vienna.

1989–1997: Rise to prominence
Haneke's feature film debut was 1989's The Seventh Continent, which served to trace out the violent and bold style that would bloom in later years. The film chronicles the last years of an Austrian family played by Birgit Doll and Dieter Berner. Peter Bradshaw of The Guardian described the film as a "masterpiece". Despite being shortlisted for the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film it wasn't nominated. Three years later he directed the controversial psychological horror film Benny's Video (1992). The film premiered at the 1992 Cannes Film Festival to positive reviews. It later won the FIPRESCI Award at the European Film Awards. The film showed at the New York Film Festival where Stephen Holden of The New York Times praised the performances and Haneke writing, "The film makes strong, if heavy-handed, points about the confusing effects of television violence". His third film in the trilogy is entitled, 71 Fragments of a Chronology of Chance (1994), Manohla Dargis's The New York Times called it an "An icy-cool study of violence both mediated and horribly real", adding "For Mr. Haneke, the point seems less that evil is commonplace than that we don't engage with it as thinking, actively moral beings. We slurp our soup while Sarajevo burns on the boob tube."

In 1997 he directed the television film The Castle (1997). The project is based of the Franz Kafka's novel of the same name. The film starred Ulrich Mühe and Susanne Lothar. It premiered at the Berlin International Film Festival. Also that year he directed the feature film Funny Games (1997). The plot involves two young men who hold a family hostage and torture them with sadistic games in their vacation home. The film premiered at the 1997 Cannes Film Festival. David Rooney of Variety wrote about his continuation of the examination of violence writing, "Haneke is clearly more interested in the implications of violence than the acts themselves, and the psychological wallop they pack is strengthened by having most of the physical and emotional carnage played off-camera".

2000–2009: Breakthrough and acclaim
He directed the French film Code Unknown (2000) starring Juliette Binoche. The film revolves around separates storylines which weave and intersect with each other. The film is inspired by the life of the French novelist and war reporter Olivier Weber. The film screened at the 2000 Cannes Film Festival. The New York Times praised Haneke "as a skillful, minutely observant filmmaker who trusts his audience to be able to put two and two together" but adds "Unfortunately, he's often too cryptic, which leaves viewers still trying to make connections when they should already be reacting to the moral lessons implied by them." Haneke has directed a number of stage productions in German, which include works by Strindberg, Goethe, and Heinrich von Kleist in Berlin, Munich and Vienna.

Haneke achieved great success with the critically acclaimed French film The Piano Teacher (2001). The film starred Isabelle Huppert as a sexually repressed piano teacher who soon becomes involved with a younger man. The film tackles subjects such as masochism, rape, incest, sexual repression, sexual violence, and the relationships between men and women. It premiered at the 2001 Cannes Film Festival where it received rapturous reviews. It won the prestigious Grand Prize at the festival and also won its stars, Benoît Magimel and Huppert the Best Actor and Actress awards. David Denby of The New Yorker wrote, "Haneke avoids the sensationalism of movie shockers, even high-class shockers like Hitchcock's Psycho and Polanski's Repulsion. There are no expressionist moments in The Piano Teacher—no scenes of longing, no soft-focus dreams or cinematic dreck". Denby concluded, "[the film] is a seriously scandalous work, beautifully made, and it deserves a sizable audience that might argue over it, appreciate it—even hate it." A few years later he directed the dystopian drama Time of the Wolf (2003) starring Huppert. The film revolves around a family trying to find their way after a global cataclysm. The film received positive reviews with Scott Foundas of Variety Magazine writing, "Haneke demonstrates profound insight into the essence of human behavior when all humility is pared away, raw panic and despair are the order of the day, and man becomes more like wolf than man." In 2005 Haneke reunited with Juliette Binoche in the psychological thriller Caché after she expressed interest in working with him. Haneke frequently worked with real-life couple Ulrich Mühe and Susanne Lothar – thrice each. The film opened the 2005 Cannes Film Festival to positive reviews. The film involves themes of collective guilt, collective memory and colonialism. He incorporated stories of the Paris massacre of 1961 into the film. Haneke won the Cannes Film Festival Award for Best Director for the film. It was also included in the BBC's 100 Greatest Films of the 21st Century.

In 2006 he gave his debut as an opera director, staging Mozart's Don Giovanni for the Opéra National de Paris at Palais Garnier when the theater's general manager was Gerard Mortier. With his next film The White Ribbon (2009) Haneke chose to shoot in black-and-white and in Germany. The film is set in 1913 and deals with strange incidents in a small town in Northern Germany, depicting an authoritarian, fascist-like atmosphere, where children are subjected to rigid rules and suffer harsh punishments, and where strange deaths occur. The film premiered at the 2009 Cannes Film Festival and won his first Palme d'Or. It later won the Golden Globe Award for Best Foreign Language Film and earned two Academy Award nominations for Best International Feature Film and Best Cinematography losing to The Secret in Their Eyes (2009) from Argentina and Avatar (2009). Critic Roger Ebert described the film as "visual[ly] masterful" adding, "His films are like parables, teaching that bad things sometimes happen simply because they...happen. The universe laughs at man's laws and does what it will."

2012–present
In 2012, Haneke directed Amour starring Jean-Louis Trintignant, Emmanuelle Riva and Isabelle Huppert. The film revolves around an elderly couple aging together. The film premiered at the 2012 Cannes Film Festival and received the Palme d'Or. This is the second career honour for Haneke. He joined a list of 9 other directors who have won the two Palme d'or awards. Other directors include Alf Sjöberg, Francis Ford Coppola, Bille August, Emir Kusturica, Shōhei Imamura, the Dardenne Brothers, Ken Loach and Ruben Östlund. Ella Tayor of NPR praised the film describing it as "Touching and tragic" adding "Haneke implicates us in the full range of human capacity". The film also earned the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film with Haneke earning Academy Award nominations for Best Director and Best Original Screenplay, the later nominations being the first of his career.

In 2012, he was to direct Così fan tutte for the New York City Opera. This production had originally been commissioned by Jürgen Flimm for the Salzburg Festival 2009, but Haneke had to resign due to an illness preventing him from preparing the work. Haneke realized this production at Madrid's Teatro Real in 2013. In 2013, he was the subject of the documentary film Michael H – Profession: Director. That year, Haneke won the Prince of Asturias Award for the arts.

In 2017, for his twelfth film, Happy End Haneke reunited with Trintignant and Huppert. The film also starred Mathieu Kassovitz and Toby Jones. The film centers around a bourgeois French family dealing with a series of setbacks and crises. The film was nominated for the Palme d'Or at the 70th Cannes Film Festival. The film received respectable reviews. Alissa Wilkinson of Vox described it as a commentary on "the European refugee crisis and the pitfalls of privilege". Wilkinson added, " challenges its audience to pay attention to put together the story, then, is as much an aesthetic statement about how to watch a movie as a political one. We have to observe and see what's in the background. And that's just what the family at the center of the movie doesn't do, and what makes them civilized monsters — a proclivity they pass on through generations."

Haneke says that films should offer viewers more space for imagination and self-reflection. Films that have too much detail and moral clarity, Haneke says, are used for mindless consumption by their viewers. Haneke teaches film direction at the Film Academy Vienna. One of his students there was director Katharina Mückstein.

Style and reception
Haneke is known for directing films which are often unsentimental and uses disturbing imagery to explore social critiques on issues such as class, race, gender, and violence. The Museum of Modern Art showcased his films in 2007 adding that they feature themes "of alienation and social collapse; the exploitation and consumption of violence; the bourgeois family as the incubator of fascistic impulse; individual responsibility and collective guilt; and the ethics of the photographic image". He is also known for his use of the long take rather than relying on quick edits or fast paced editing. Haneke prefers to let his scenes unfold slowly, allowing the audience to fully experience the tension and emotion of each moment. This creates a sense of intimacy for the audience to draw them into a scene. He also uses static shots, ambiguous endings, meta-narratives, and silence. Haneke also has collaborated with Isabelle Huppert and Juliette Binoche on numerous films.

Favourite films
In 2012, Haneke participated in the Sight & Sound poll and submitted these films as his favorite.

 * Au Hasard Balthazar by Robert Bresson (France, 1966)
 * Lancelot of the Lake by Robert Bresson (France, 1974)
 * Mirror by Andrei Tarkovsky (USSR, 1975)
 * Salo, or the 120 Days of Sodom by Pier Paolo Pasolini (Italy, 1975)
 * The Exterminating Angel by Luis Buñuel (Mexico, 1962)
 * The Gold Rush by Charlie Chaplin (USA, 1925)
 * Psycho by Alfred Hitchcock (USA, 1960)
 * A Woman Under the Influence by John Cassavetes (USA, 1974)
 * Germany Year Zero by Roberto Rossellini (Italy, 1948)
 * L'Eclisse by Michelangelo Antonioni (Italy, 1962)

In June 2024, Haneke's list of all-time favorite films was published on LaCinetek. He lists more than 100 films, quoting several works by directors Ingmar Bergman (Persona, Through a Glass Darkly, Winter Light, Scenes from a Marriage, The Silence) and Abbas Kiarostami (Where Is the Friend's House?, Through the Olive Trees, And Life Goes On, Taste of Cherry, The Wind Will Carry Us).

Short films

 * Lumière and Company (1995) (segment "Michael Haneke/Vienne")

Awards and nominations
His directorial debut, The Seventh Continent, won the Bronze Leopard at the Locarno International Film Festival in 1989. He later won the Grand Prix at the 2001 Cannes Film Festival for The Piano Teacher and the Best Director Award for Caché at the 2005 Cannes Film Festival. He subsequently directed the 2007 remake of his controversial 1997 film Funny Games.

At the 2009 Cannes Film Festival, his film The White Ribbon won the Palme d'Or, and at the 67th Golden Globe Awards the film won the Golden Globe Award for Best Foreign Language Film. In 2012, his film Amour premiered and competed at the 2012 Cannes Film Festival. The film would go on to win the Palme d'Or, making it his second win of the prestigious award in three years; this made him the seventh director to have won it twice and the only Austrian director to have accomplished this. The film received five Academy Award nominations, including Best Picture, Best Director, Best Original Screenplay, and Best Actress in a Leading Role for Emmanuelle Riva; it won in the category of Best Foreign Language Film.

In 2013, Haneke won the Prince of Asturias Award for the arts. His twelfth and most recent film, Happy End, was nominated for the Palme d'Or at the 2017 Cannes Film Festival.

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I am a student in the Graduate School of Science, the Univ. of Tokyo, and this account is created for the Academic English for Chemistry(AEC) Wikipedia Project in the Department of Chemistry.

Since I am studying about organoheteroatom chemistry, especially hypercoordinate heavier group 14 element compounds, I think I will create (or edit) such kinds of topics.

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Transport in Milan

Milan has an extensive internal transport network and is also an important transportation node in Italy, being one of the country's biggest hubs for air, rail and road networks. Internal public transport network includes the Metro, the Suburban Railway, the tram and bus network, as well as taxi, car and bike sharing services.

History
Early public transport service in Milan dates back to 1801, operated with horse-drawn carriages. After the relocation of the capital of the Italian Kingdom to Milan in 1805, national and international transport services were inaugurated, all operated with carriages, to Vienna, Marseille and several Italian cities. Transport via the Navigli canals was also an important transport mode in that period.

The first bus line was opened in 1827, connecting Milan to Lodi. The first railway, to Monza, was inaugurated in 1840. It is currently part of the Milan-Chiasso international railway.

Metro

The Milan Metro is a rapid transit system, running mainly underground, serving Milan and other surrounding cities. The network consists of 5 lines, identified by different colors and numbers:

Milan Metro has a total length of 104.1 km, serving 113 stations, making it the longest metro network in Italy. The system carries about 1.15 million passengers per day.

Suburban rail
The suburban railway service consists of 12 lines connecting Milan to the greater metropolitan area:

The system was brought together from existing lines and the construction of the new Passante, an underground railway line passing through the city. The service began operation in 2004 and now comprises 124 stations. Several extensions are planned.

Trams

The Tram network comprises 17 urban lines. The system is more than 170 km long and is the biggest network in Italy.

The Milan tram network dates back to 1876, when the first horse driven tram line began operation. In 1878 the first steam powered tram was launched and by 1901 all the lines were electric powered. In 1910 line numbers were first introduced. At that time the network was already consisting of 30 lines. Until 1917 the tram system was operated by several different companies, however, since that year the municipality took control over the whole network.

In the 1920s the famous Class 1500 streetcars were introduced. Many of them, restored, are still in use today.

Beginning from the late 1950s and until the end of the 1970s the tram network was reduced, being replaced in some areas by the new Metro lines or by bus lines.

Buses
There are 64 bus and 4 trolleybus lines in Milan. Most of the routes do not run during the night, however, bus services on demand are available in the weekend at night.

New night bus lines during weekends have been introduced since 24 September 2011, running from 2 am to 6 am on Fridays and Saturdays. The new network was considered a success, with more than 8,000 people using the lines every weekend.

Public transport statistics
The average amount of time people spend commuting with public transit in Milan on a weekday is 64 min. 14% of public transit riders ride for more than 2 hours every day. The average amount of time people wait at a stop or station for public transit is 11 min, while 12% of riders wait for over 20 minutes on average every day. The average distance people usually ride in a single trip with public transit is 7.7 km, while 14% travel for over 12 km in a single direction.

National and international rail
Milan is one of the most important hubs for the national and international rail network in Italy. Milan Central station is the second station in Italy both for size and passengers after Rome. It is also the main node for high-speed rail lines in northern Italy. Milano Cadorna and Milano Porta Garibaldi stations are respectively the seventh and the eleventh busiest stations in Italy. Because of its position, Milan is also the main gateway for international passenger traffic to Europe. Daily international destinations include Bern, Lugano, Geneva, Zürich, Paris, Nice, Marseille, Vienna, Barcelona and Munich.

Milan is also the core of Lombardy's regional train network. Regional trains were operated on two different systems by LeNord (departing from Milano Cadorna) and Trenitalia (departing from Milan Centrale and Milano Porta Garibaldi). Beginning in 2011, a new company, Trenord, operates both Trenitalia and LeNord regional trains in Lombardy.

Roads
Milan is a key node for the Italian road network, being the junction between the east-west A4 highway to Turin and Venice and the north-south A1 highway to Rome and Naples. Other important highways, such as the A7 to Genova and the A8-A9 to Switzerland, also serve the city. Highways reaching Milan are linked together by a ring road formed by the 3 tangenziali (the A50, A51 and A52) and part of the A4 highway, with a total length of over 100 km around the city.

Milan road system is characterized by a high rate of traffic congestion, due to a high level of cars per capita and a high number of commuters in the metropolitan area. Congested traffic is also responsible for the high pollution rate in the Milan area. Counter measures included the partial ban of private cars inside the Milan urban area for some period, usually during Sundays. In 2008, a traffic pollution charge for vehicles entering the city, Ecopass, was introduced. The program resulted in a lower proportion of highly polluting vehicles on the roads in the city. However, the program progressively lost effectiveness as the city's vehicle fleet got greener. Since 16 January 2012 a new program, Area C, was introduced as a congestion charge (as opposed to the previous pollution charge), thus targeting any private vehicle entering Milan city center. Although high by European standards, Milan is one of the big cities with the lowest number of motor vehicles per capita in Italy, with 543 per 1000 people in 2011, reduced to around 495 per 1000 as of 2021.

Car sharing
Several car-sharing systems are active in the city. GuidaMi, the first scheme, is managed by ATM and comprises 132 vehicles and about 5,500 registered users. Car2go was activated in August 2013 and has a fleet of 700 cars and more than 50,000 registered users. Other services include E-vai from Trenord, DriveNow from BMW, Twist and Enjoy from Eni. In 2015 the Chinese automaker ZD introduced its Sharen'go electric car-sharing service to Milan, making it the first city outside the company's native China where the service was available.

Car sharing in Milan serves about 0.5% of the total mobility of the city, and with 323,000 users, as of June 2016 it is the Italian city with the largest number of car sharing customers.

Cycling
The city's mostly flat topography favors cycling. The cycle routes network is still limited, but is being constantly expanded. Milan was also one of the first Italian cities to activate a bike sharing system.

Airports
Milan's airport system is the second busiest in Italy, after that of Rome. The city is served by three major airports: Malpensa Airport, the biggest in northern Italy; Linate Airport, located near the city centre and mainly used for domestic traffic; and Orio al Serio Airport, located in the neighbouring city of Bergamo, used mainly by low-cost airlines. Combined, these three airports transported a total of 43 million passengers in 2017. Milano Bresso, operated by Aero Club Milano, is a minor general aviation airport.

The three major airports are connected by bus to the city center. In addition, Malpensa has a direct rail connection to central railway stations in Milan (notably Centrale, Garibaldi and Cadorna) via the Malpensa Express service. Thanks to Metro line 4, Linate airport also gained a fixed rail connection to Milan city center and will reach the city's south-western districts once the line is finished. Orio al Serio airport will instead be connected to the nearby city of Bergamo via a railway line that is projected to be finished by 2026, although works haven’t started as of July 2023; from Bergamo main station, trains will be able to reach the stations of Milano Centrale in less than an hour and Milano Porta Garibaldi.

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Raúl Díaz Arce

Raúl Díaz Arce (born February 1, 1970) is a Salvadoran former professional footballer who played as a forward. He is El Salvador's most prolific goal scorer, with 39 goals in just 68 appearances.

Playing career
From 1985 to 1986, Arce played for Deportivo Jalapa in Guatemala. From 1988 to 1991, Arce played for Dragon in the Salvadoran second division, where he was the league's leading scorer in the 1991–92 season with 21 goals. Playing for Dragon, in two seasons in first division, "Ignacio Raul" scored 34 goals (13 in 1989–90 and 21 in 1990–91), in the second season he was the scoring champion of the regular season when he played four laps.

He then moved up to play for C.D. Luis Ángel Firpo of the Salvadoran first division from 1991 to 1996. Here he was the league's top scorer three season in a row (1993–1996) with 24, 21 and 25 goals, respectively. In Luis Ángel Firpo he scored in five seasons with a total of 119 goals. These early achievements earned him a spot in the national team and a move to the United States.

D.C. United
In 1996, Diaz Arce signed with Major League Soccer, and was drafted tenth overall in the MLS Inaugural Player Draft by D.C. United. He quickly established himself as a dangerous striker in the league, scoring 23 goals in his first season with United, second in the league behind Roy Lassiter. Diaz Arce was also the first player in MLS history to score a hat-trick in postseason play. He scored 3 against the Tampa Bay Mutiny on October 10, 1996. DC United won 4-1 and went on to become the first MLS champions. Diaz Arce continued to perform well in his second season, registering 15 goals, and helping D.C. United to win their second consecutive MLS Cup.

New England Revolution
Salary cap pressures and reported conflicts between Diaz Arce and Marco Etcheverry, resulted in D.C. trading one of the league's most prolific scorers to the New England Revolution in the offseason of 1997. Diaz Arce continued to excel in New England, scoring 18 goals and 8 assists for his new team.

End of MLS career
Nevertheless, Diaz Arce was traded again, and eventually played for the Tampa Bay Mutiny and San Jose Clash, as well as briefly with the MetroStars, registering 13 goals and 7 assists in the 1999 season. Diaz Arce continued to be shuttled around in 2000, playing for Tampa Bay and D.C. again in 2000, and scoring a career low 9 goals. Diaz Arce continued to decline in 2001, playing only briefly for D.C. United, before being traded again to the Colorado Rapids, with whom he ended his career in MLS.

Diaz Arce left MLS second in career goals scored with 82, behind only Roy Lassiter; although he has fallen as others have surpassed both of their totals.

Charleston & Puerto Rico
For the 2002 season, Diaz Arce played for the Charleston Battery of the A-League, scoring 6 goals and 4 assists in 1319 minutes. He was not the success Charleston had hoped for, however, and left following the year. In 2004, Diaz Arce joined the struggling expansion Puerto Rico Islanders, and gave the team a significant boost, scoring two goals in his first game and a total of 7 in 1233 minutes, and helping the team attain a level of respectability. He is now the U.S. Soccer Development Academy Director at the Chicago Magico Soccer Club.

International career
Diaz Arce made his debut for El Salvador in an April 1991 UNCAF Nations Cup qualification match against Nicaragua in which he scored two goals. Over his career, he earned a total of 68 caps, scoring a record 39 goals. He represented his country in 28 FIFA World Cup qualification matches and played at several UNCAF Nations Cups as well as at the 1996 and 1998 CONCACAF Gold Cups. His final international was a September 2000 FIFA World Cup qualification match against Honduras.

International goals

 * Scores and results list El Salvador's goal tally first, score column indicates score after each El Salvador goal.

Honours
C.D. Luis Ángel Firpo
 * Primera División de Fútbol de El Salvador: 1991/92, 1992/93

D.C. United
 * MLS Cup: 1996, 1997
 * MLS Supporters' Shield: 1997
 * U.S. Open Cup (1): 1996

Charleston Battery
 * USL First Division: 2003
 * Southern Derby: 2003

Individual
 * MLS All-Star: 1997, 1998, 1999
 * DC United Hall of Tradition: August 26, 2009

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Push-pull configuration

An aircraft constructed with a push-pull configuration has a combination of forward-mounted tractor (pull) propellers, and backward-mounted (pusher) propellers.

Historical
The earliest known examples of "push-pull" engined-layout aircraft was the Short Tandem Twin.

An early pre-World War I example of a "push-pull" aircraft was the Caproni Ca.1 of 1914 which had two wing-mounted tractor propellers and one centre-mounted pusher propeller. Around 450 of these and their successor, the Ca.3 were built. One of the first to employ two engines on a common axis (tandem push-pull) was the one-off, ill-fated Siemens-Schuckert DDr.I fighter of 1917.

German World War I designs included the only Fokker twin-engined design of the period, the Fokker K.I from 1915; followed by the unusual Siemens-Schuckert DDr.I triplane fighter design of late 1917, and concluding with the laterally-offset "push-pull" Gotha G.VI bomber prototype of 1918.

Claudius Dornier embraced the concept, many of his flying boats using variations of the tandem "push-pull" engine layout, including the 1922 Dornier Wal, the 1938 Dornier Do 26, and the massive 1929 Dornier Do X, which had twelve engines driving six tractors and six pushers. A number of Farmans and Fokkers also had push-pull engine installations, such as the Farman F.121 Jabiru and Fokker F.32.

Configuration
Push-pull designs have the engines mounted above the wing as Dornier flying boats or more commonly on a shorter fuselage than conventional one, as for Rutan Defiant or Voyager canard designs. Twin boomers such as the Cessna Skymaster and Adam A500 have the aircraft's tail suspended via twin booms behind the pusher propeller. In contrast, both the World War II-era Dornier Do 335 and the early 1960s-designed French Moynet M 360 Jupiter experimental private plane had their pusher propeller behind the tail.

Design benefits
While pure pushers decreased in popularity during the First World War, the push-pull configuration has continued to be used. The advantage it provides is the ability to mount two propellers on the aircraft's centreline, thereby avoiding the increased drag that comes with twin wing-mounted engines. It is also easier to fly if one of the two engines fails, as the thrust provided by the remaining engine stays in the centerline. In contrast, a conventional twin-engine aircraft will yaw in the direction of the failed engine and become uncontrollable below a certain airspeed, known as VMC.

Design problems
The rear engine operates in the disturbed air from the forward engine, which may reduce its efficiency to 85% of the forward engine. In addition the rear engine can interfere with the aircraft's rotation during takeoff if installed in the tail, or they require additional compromise to be made to ensure clearance. This is why they are more common on seaplanes, where this is not a concern.

Piloting
Pilots in the United States who obtain a multi-engine rating in an aircraft with this push-pull, or "centerline thrust," configuration are restricted to flying centerline-thrust aircraft; pilots who obtain a multi-engine rating in conventional twin-engine aircraft do not have a similar limitation with regard to centerline-thrust aircraft. The limitation can be removed by further testing in a conventional multi-engine aircraft.

Military application

Despite its advantages push-pull configurations are rare in military aircraft. In addition to the problems noted for civil aircraft, the increased risk to the pilot in the case of a crash or the need to parachute from the aircraft also pose problems. During a crash the rear engine may crush the pilot and if bailing out, the pilot is in danger of hitting the propeller. Examples of past military applications include the aforementioned Siemens-Schuckert DDr.I twin-engined triplane and the Gotha G.VI, with its engines mounted on the front and rear ends of two separate fuselages. More successful was the Italian Caproni Ca.3 trimotor, with two tractor engines and one pusher. Between the wars, most push-pull aircraft were flying boats, of which the Dornier Wal was probably the most numerous, while a number of heavy bombers, such as the Farman F.220 used engines mounted in push-pull pairs under the wings. Near the end of World War II, the German Dornier Do 335 push-pull twin-engined, Zerstörer-candidate heavy fighter featured explosive charges to jettison the rear propeller and dorsal tailfin, a manually-jettisonable main canopy, as well as an ejection seat. One of the last military aircraft to use the configuration was the American Cessna O-2, which was used for forward air control during the Vietnam War.

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River Thame

The River Thame is a river in Southern England. A tributary of the River Thames, the river runs generally south-westward for about 40 mi from its source above the Buckinghamshire town of Aylesbury to the Thames in south-east Oxfordshire.

Course
Three streams which rise within the Vale of Aylesbury, on the northwest side of the Chiltern Hills, join to form the River Thame to the east of the small village of Hulcott, north of Aylesbury. The first 650 metres of the river form the boundary between Buckinghamshire and Hertfordshire. The Thame played a key role in the English Civil War when John Hampden (the town's Member of Parliament) led the force of Parliamentarians successfully defending Aylesbury at the Battle of Holman's Bridge, where a small road crosses the river, in 1642.

The river passes by the 21st century small suburb of Watermead and around the north and west of Aylesbury, passing through farmland to the villages of Nether Winchendon and Chearsley before reaching the market town of Thame with which it shares its name. Thame is about 15 mi east of Oxford and grew from an Anglo-Saxon settlement beside the river. In Anglo-Saxon England, Thame is a recorded place in records of the Diocese of Dorchester.

At Holton mill the Thame turns southward and after passing the villages of Great Milton and Stadhampton, its valley widens. In this area in 1642 and 1643, the river acted as a line of defence for Royalist Oxford. The bridges at Wheatley, Cuddesdon Mill and Chiselhampton were key crossing points, with Chiselhampton Bridge playing a critical part in Prince Rupert's movements before and after the Battle of Chalgrove Field.

Confluence with the Thames
Finally the Thame reaches the village of Dorchester on Thames, Oxfordshire. As the suffix -chester indicates, a Romano-British settlement was on the site. The small town's central streets are typically Anglo-Saxon, being not quite straight and set at various angles. The Saxon cathedral here was superseded by Dorchester Abbey, so-called since the English Reformation—-the name denotes its surviving structure, which was its main building, the abbey church. That church, built in 1170, is 70 m in length and is a listed building at Grade I.

In the far south of that parish, 0.5 mi south of the town centre, the Thame flows into the River Thames, between Day's Lock and Benson Lock.

The upper River Thames has an alternative name, the Isis, up to the point where it reaches this confluence.

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Talk:New Jersey Institute of Technology

Cutting out of awards won by Alumni from the opening paragraph
On several occasions a short list of awards won by NJIT alumni have been either removed or relocated from the opening paragraphs (3 in all) in the NJIT page. I am perplexed by this as a review of other stem-focused schools shows that most have similar listings in their opening paragraphs. So, it appears that if the school is famous enough, such lists are OK but for lesser-known schools it's a no-no. Among its alumni, NJIT counts a Turing Award winner, Judea Pearl, a congressional medal of Honor winner - one of the monuments men - and National Medal of Technology and Innovation recipient. Call me biased but I think it's pretty clear that a double-standard is in place and has been for quite a while. For example, check out MIT or Stanford or Harvard or Carnegie Mellon or NYU or University of Pennsylvania or University of Texas at Austin or University of California, at: Los Angeles, San Diago, Santa Barbara, etc. etc. (my hand is getting tired.) SO, what gives??? Rrsimone (talk) 17:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

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Workers plucking tea in a tea plantation

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Gosh, aren't I boring?

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Bernard Spencer

Charles Bernard Spencer (1909 – 1963) was an English poet, translator, and editor.

He was born in Madras, India and educated at Marlborough College and Corpus Christi College, Oxford. At Marlborough he knew John Betjeman and Louis MacNeice; at Oxford Stephen Spender, Arthur Calder-Marshall, Isaiah Berlinand he also came across W. H. Auden. He edited Oxford Poetry in 1930-1931. He was not, however, drawn far into what was soon known as the Auden Group; he is identified much more with the type of poetry later exemplified by Lawrence Durrell, and is for some critics the stand-out in the Cairo poets. His potential was never quite fulfilled, partly because of poor health.

After graduation, he made a living from teaching and writing, marrying the actress Norah Gibbs in 1936. At that time he was collaborating on Geoffrey Grigson's New Verse. In World War II he worked for the British Council, in Greece and then Egypt. There he edited the Personal Landscape magazine.

After the war he continued to work for the British Council, being posted to Italy. Norah died in 1947, of tuberculosis. He himself was ill for a time. Through other postings he wrote little.

He was married again in 1961, to Anne Marjoribanks by whom he had a son Piers in 1963. He died in Vienna, apparently in an accident, while once more in bad health.

A conference on Spencer's life and work was held at the University of Reading in October 2009, with an exhibition of manuscripts and other personal effects. His Complete Poetry, Translations and Selected Prose edited by Peter Robinson was published by Bloodaxe Books in February 2011.

Works

 * Aegean Islands and Other Poems (1946)
 * The Twist in the Plotting (1960)
 * With Luck Lasting (1963)
 * Collected Poems (1965) edited by Alan Ross
 * Collected Poems (1981) edited by Roger Bowen
 * Complete Poetry, Translations and Selected Prose (2011) edited by Peter Robinson

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