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Your biog on Jack Brabham says his first Grand Prix win was at Monaco in 1955. I believe Stirling Moss won that race. Jack Brabham won at Monaco in 1959.

 * I believe you are right - see Jach Brabham's wins and Stirling Moss' wins. -Fred Bradstadt 07:42, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Rating
Class is start - what's here is OK (although I think there may be a couple of errors) but it is really very brief and anyone with more than a very casual interest would have to look elsewhere.

Importance is mid - In the context of WP Australia at least, would be higher in context of WP:f1 --4u1e 22:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Teams and Constructors
AAFL - thanks for your hard work in adding results to this article.

I hope you don't mind, but I've changed the team for 1962 from Lotus to Brabham. Jack did not drive for Lotus, although the Brabham Racing Organisation bought a Lotus car to use in early 1962 while Motor Racing Developments built the first Brabham car. See the Brabham article for more details! Maserati is wrong as well - that was a privateer car that Jack entered himself. However, I'm not quite sure to put there under 'team'. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Formula_One for more on this topic. --4u1e 18:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

www.jack-brabham-engines.com
This address is continually added to and removed from the External Links section. If there's a valid reason for not wanting the link there, perhaps we can add a wikicomment to save everyone some time and effort. -- DH85868993 01:03, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess it's removed because it's an anon who does it, and it does look a bit spammy. However, on this occasion, assuming the company's connection to Sir Jack is valid, it seems like a valid link. I'll put it back. 4u1e 15:31, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, the last person to remove it has been editing exclusively on the 6-stroke technology worked on by JBE. 4u1e 06:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Malbeare has removed the link again, categorising it as spam. WP:EL seems to be the relevant guidance. On the one hand, it says that "Articles about any organization, person, web site, or other entity should link to the official site if any". On the other, it also says to avoid "Links to sites with objectionable amounts of advertising" and "Sites that are only indirectly related to the article's subject". The site does contain some content on Sir Jack - and I found a useful-looking doc there on the Brabham BT19, so it's been helpful already :). On the other hand, there is a fair bit of merchandising, although it is at least relevant to the topic. I'd say we could argue it either way. Any other views? 4u1e 19:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's linked to from Sir Jack's official site anyway, which we also have a link to (uncontroversially, I trust!), so on that basis I'm happy to leave it out. If Malbeare is reading - looks like we're in agreement, but it's better to discuss things on the talk page than for the article to be edited back and forth. Cheers. 4u1e 19:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Jack Brabham Engines is an Australian company in which Sir Jack is a director. Please note that the materials posted under "Biography" are directly provided personally by him including photographs; they are not copied or taken from other sites, they have come from his personal collection. The merchandise items available have been selected by Sir Jack as well. The US site www.jackbrabham.com is organised by Mr Gurney who provides promotional activities for Sir Jack outside Australia, as is advertised there. Posted 21 June 2007

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[edit] Advertising and conflicts of interest Main articles: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Spam Due to the rising profile of Wikipedia and the amount of extra traffic it can bring a site, there is a great temptation to use Wikipedia to advertise or promote sites. This includes both commercial and non-commercial sites. You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked. If the link is to a relevant and informative site that should otherwise be included, please consider mentioning it on the talk page and let neutral and independent Wikipedia editors decide whether to add it. This is in line with the conflict of interest guidelines. Note that since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links may not alter search engine rankings.

A few parties now appear to have a spambot capable of spamming wikis from several different wiki engines, analogous to the submitter scripts for guestbooks and blogs. If you see a bot inserting external links, please consider checking the other language wikis to see if the attack is widespread. If it is, please contact a sysop on the meta-wiki; they can put in a Wikimedia-wide text filter. Sysops will block unauthorized bots on sight. the inclusion of the link from the anonymous user is clearly spam and has a conflick of interest --Malbeare 14:36, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Malbeare has quoted some relevant points there, particularly if the individual adding the link is connected to JBE - which I imagine is the case here. I think we've agreed above that it's as well to leave the site out - given that apart from anything else it can be reached from Sir Jack's own site, which is correctly linked from the article. The point I made above to Malbeare also applies to the anonymous adder of the link: It's better to reach an agreement here and not just keep editing back and forth. Cheers 4u1e 16:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Jack Brabham is no longer a director of Jack Brabham Engines:
 * Australian Securities & Investments Commission Electronic Lodgement Document No. 1E3389759

 * Lodgement date/time: 04-07-2007 14:17:09

 * Reference Id:75312635

 * Trace No.:1001369

 * Form 484 Corporations Act 2001 Change to company details

 * Company details

 * Company name JACK BRABHAM ENGINES LIMITED

 * Australian Company Number (ACN) 108108425

 * Lodgement details

 * Who should ASIC contact if there is a query about this form?

 * Name BIMSON SMITH PARTNERS PTY LIMITED

 * ASIC registered agent number(if applicable) 1472

 * Signature This form must be signed by a current officeholder of the company.

 * I certify that the information in this form is true and complete

 * Name ALAN PATRICK CASEY

 * Capacity SEC

 * Signature

 * Date signed 20-06-2007

 * ASIC Form 484 Ref 7531263504/07/2007 Page1 of 2 DocId: 1E3389759 ACN :108 108 425

 * B1 Cease company officeholder Officer

 * This section shows the cessation of a company officeholder

 * Officeholder cessation

 * Details Role(s) Director

 * Cessation Date:20-06-2007

 * The name of the ceased officeholder is:

 * Given names JACK

 * Family name BRABHAM

 * Birth Details

 * Date of Birth 02-04-1926

 * City/town of Birth HURSTVILLE

 * State (if born in Australia) NSW

 * Country of Birth Australia

 * B2 Appoint company officeholder Officer

 * This section shows the appointment of a company officeholder

 * Officeholder Apointment

 * Details Role(s) Director

 * Appointment Date:20-06-2007

 * (details of new director removed for privacy reasons)

 * Form 484-Change to /07/2007 Page 2 of 2 DocId: 1E3389759 ACN :108 108 425

Malbeare 06:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Would it be possible to make that readable rather than just copy & paste? --Falcadore 00:24, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I've reformatted the text a little further (in addition to Malbeare's efforts of earlier today) and removed the details of the new director for privacy reasons. But I'm wondering:
 * whether other details should also be removed for privacy reasons, or
 * whether we need to retain the full text of the document here in the talkpage at all.
 * Please note that I'm not doubting the veracity of Malbeare's statement about Jack Brabham no longer being a director of Jack Brabham Engines, and I appreciate that he went to the effort of copy-and-pasting the text here as evidence. DH85868993 03:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

The document is a publicly available document from the australian ASIC ( australian securities and investment commission)http://www.search.asic.gov.au/gns001.html If you are a director of a PUBLIC company there is nothing private about it. Malbeare 21:33, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point! I hadn't thought of that. DH85868993 00:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

www.jack-brabham-engines.com (2)
'''I refer to a letter written by Sir Jack Brabham OBE to WIKIPEDIA dated 30 June 2007 requesting the link: "Jack Brabham - Official Australian site" to be placed on the WIKI page for him. This link was inserted by Phil Sandifer of WIKI to link to www.jackbrabhamengines.com which is Sir Jack's Australian website where you will find up to date information about him, given by him. This link is being changed erroneously. Sir Jack has a site run by Donn Gurney in the USA who has in the past organised promotional events for him. However the materials provided at www.jackbrabhamengines.com are entirely provided by Sir Jack with his permission from his personal collection of photographs. We have now changed back to link to the Australian site in accordance with Sir Jack's wishes. While there are queries on various races and/or cars, if you only emailed us in Australia, we can source that information directly from Sir Jack.'''
 * With the greatest of respect to Sir Jack, whether or not he requests that the page be linked here is of no relevance as whether the information should be included in an encyclopedia. Concerns have been expressed about the inclusion of links to a commercial site (i.e. one whose purpose is in part to sell Brabham memorabilia) (See WP:LINK). It is normal to include links to an individual's personal website if such exists, so if jackbrabham.com is no longer Sir Jack's official site, and the JBE site is, could you tell us to whom the letter to Wikipedia was sent? Cheers. 4u1e 19:40, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have restored the other conversations you deleted. Please note that it is extremely bad wiki-manners to delete 'conversations by other users. In this context it could be taken as an attempt to hide views put forward by others. Could I suggest that it might be an idea to open a Wikipedia account, it would make continuing such conversations as this much easier. Cheers. 4u1e 19:43, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Response 31 October 2007. Wikipedia correspondence, contact Phil Sandifer - Sir Jack has both an Australian official site as well as a site based in the USA, www.jackbrabham.com - however the information at www.jackbrabhamengines.com is up to date and contains recent photos of Sir Jack in Australia as well as photos/information released by him personally for publication on that site.

The earlier discussions on this page by "Malbeare" regarding Sir Jack, Jack Brabham Engines Limted, its directors have been submitted as evidence in a Federal Court of Australia action commenced recently. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.174.81.240 (talk) 21:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC) http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/FCA/2010/872.html http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/FCA/2010/1096.html

 * I suspect that that is of no relevance here - all I can see above is a discussion over whether it is appropriate (by Wikipedia's in-house rules) to include a link to the JBE site in the article, and information reproduced here by Malbeare regarding Sir Jack's resignation from the board of directors of JBE. Not that I feel you're being threatening, but it might be useful to read WP:LEGAL. Cheers. 4u1e 17:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

 * It is true that the JBE site is his official site, and I changed the link to reflect that per an OTRS request. This should not be taken as a judgment that other links are inappropriate - merely that the JBE site is the one that can most accurately be called his official site. Phil Sandifer 17:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Pardon my ignorance: OTRS? For the rest, do you feel that Sir Jack's stepping down from the board of directors would make any difference (my initial reaction would be not). Cheers. 4u1e 17:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:OTRS. And my reaction would be that it does not make a difference - the JBE link should still be included.Again, that's not a judgment on other links - just that the JBE link should definitely be included. Phil Sandifer 19:13, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like we're in agreement then. As the American site seems also to be officially sanctioned, going by the above comments, I'll review it and if it offers different content include it as well. Could I make a gentle plea to clearly note the reasoning for reincluding such links in future, Phil? A note on this page from yourself, or even in your edit summary, given the existing discussions on this page, would have been helpful in resolving this. I realise that the talk page discussions were deleted at one point, by the anonymous editor (presumed JBE rep), and so the history of the discussion may not have been obvious. Many thanks for your help. Cheers. 4u1e 11:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The content at www.jackbrabham.com, while obviously similar, is different enough that I judge it worth having both as they add to the content of the page. In terms of 'current events' and contemporary photos, they are likely to do so even if the page itself is ever brought up to FA standard. Cheers. 4u1e 11:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

federal court case
I think that this event should have a reference in the history retirement section. Jack Brabham turned up at the Sydney Federal court with a reporter glued to his side. clearly he was using his reputation to start a trial by media during the court case. I made no comment as the matter was before the court. any comments atributed to me were reporters artistic license fabrication

Interestingly I cannot find any refference to the article named "Tight corner for Sir Jack Brabham in row over engine" in the Herald sun. they seem to have deleted it from their records.

Tight corner for Sir Jack Brabham in row over engine Article from: Herald Sun Karen Collier April 14, 2009 12:00am

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-197672428.html

http://www.theage.com.au/national/brabham-battle-in-court-20091026-hgrd.html http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/jack-brabham-in-legal-battle-over-engine/story-e6frg6o6-1225791165135

http://www.drive.com.au/editorial/articledetail.aspx?ArticleID=66775&vf=1

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/doubts-on-engines-15-trillion-valuing-20100819-12oc7.html

Federal Court Judgment judgment costs

Malbeare (talk) 22:03, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

 * In the long life and times of a man known almost entirely for his motor racing exploits, this technical court case relating to patent law is an extremely trivial part. It is clear from reading this set of articles that, although his name got the case into the Australian news, it didn't actually involve him in any real sense. Trivia doesn't belong in a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia biographies are a digest of information that is important to understand the life and career of a notable person. They do not include every single event in that person's life, that's the job of a 300 page autobiography, not a 3000-4000 word Wikipedia article. His involvement with Jack Brabham Engines only merits one sentence in the article, so why should we spend time discussing a case that even the judge said was "not about Sir Jack Brabham. It is a case about the conduct of other people and the corporations through which they chose to conduct themselves. It is a case which principally involves three people – Malcolm Beare and Alan Casey, who were involved from the outset, and Stylianos Eleftheriadis"? The reasons for not discussing this case here are most eloquently made in paragraphs 2 and 3 of the judge's introduction. You won. Move on.  Pyrop e  23:24, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

 * I would dearly love to moove on but the complainants have not paid any court costs Malbeare (talk) 23:35, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * costs judgment
 * I'm seeing this as somebody trying to use WP as a forum to put pressure on somebody to pay off, if not outright dirty Brabham with something he wasn't actually a party to.  TREKphiler   any time you're ready, Uhura  02:23, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

with all due respect for your oppinion. Jack Brabham tried very hard to make it all about him and have a public wave of support carry the day. hence the newspaper article being instigated and published before a judgment. He was there in person and gave 3 supporting affidavits to the complainent case.Malbeare (talk) 21:16, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * With all due respect to you, Wikipedia is absolutely not the place to carry on any kind of personal campaign for any reason. --Falcadore (talk) 21:26, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

There is a recuring pattern in that Jack Brabham lends his support or name for money or promisses (shares) and walks away with other shareholders losing.[ Splitt cycle (Rick Mayne), Mayflower , Save the world air, jetfan, fuelstar, vortex dynamics,Jack Brabham Engines pty ltd ,JBEC pty ltd] Just google them and judge for youself. Malbeare (talk) 19:47, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Not a forum for complaints about Brabham...  TREKphiler   any time you're ready, Uhura  20:10, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

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In 2016, Gary was found guilty of one charge of rape, and one charge of indecent treatment, of a child then aged 6.

 * An editor just deleted this RS-supported relevant material. From a para devoted to Jack's children, and what they had done. That makes no sense. Especially since the ref has a title of "gary-brabham-son-of-racing-car-legend-guilty-child-rape." This certainly belongs in that para in that article. 2604:2000:E016:A700:DCA2:FC04:A7DA:DC93 (talk) 06:27, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Which belongs on his son's article and not in this article. Bidgee (talk) 07:26, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

 * It certainly in fact does belong in this article. I that paragraph. Which discusses the following; it is of precisely the same ilk ... the background of his children and grandchildren:

"Brabham and Betty had three sons together: Geoff, Gary, and David. All three became involved in motorsport ... Between them, they have won sportscar and single-seater races and championships. Geoff was an Indycar and sportscar racer who won five North American sportscar championships as well as the 24 Hours of Le Mans,[52] while David competed in Formula One for the Brabham team and has also won the Le Mans race as well as three Japanese and North American sportscar titles.[53] Gary also drove briefly in Formula One, although his F1 career consisted of two DNPQ's for the Life team.[54] Brabham and Betty divorced in 1994 after 43 years. ... Brabham's grandson Matthew (son of Geoff) graduated from karts in 2010 and won two ladders of the Mazda Road to Indy, making is Verizon Series debut at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway doubleheader meet. Another grandson, Sam, the son of David and Lisa, whose brother Mike also was an F1 driver, stepped up to car racing from karts in 2013 when he made his debut in the British Formula Ford Championship.[55]"
 * And some would argue that most of that doesn't belong here either. Britmax (talk) 11:31, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I would agree, nothing about Gary belongs here, nor anything about Matthew (which should be on Geoff's page, as his relation, providing there's no page on Matthew); I would say, however, the basics on Jack's sons does:
 * "All three became involved in motorsport ... Between them, they have won sportscar and single-seater races and championships. Geoff was an Indycar and sportscar racer, while David competed in Formula One for the Brabham team. Gary also drove briefly in Formula One."
 * That said, if all mention of his sons' activities were deleted, I'd make no strong objection; it's borderline on-point, because it's some context on Jack's legacy, not essential knowledge, & can as well be found (or placed) on their respective pages.  TREKphiler   any time you're ready, Uhura  00:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Martin Brundle

Does Martin Brundle hold a degree in (Mechanical) Engineering? I'm sure I heard Mark Blundell mention it a few years ago during the Spa pre-race show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Graybriggs (talk • contribs)
 * I've done a quick search and can't find anything. Did find a pretty extensive bio though: . Mark83 13:40, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

"but in the second half of the year was regularly able to outrace the young German"

I don't know if it's correct to say Brundle "regularly outraced" Schumacher. Fact is that Brundle finished ahead of Schumacher only twice. Once in Silverstone on Brundle's home track and secondly in Monza when Schumacher had a crash on lap 1 and had to work his way up from the back of the field and still finished third behind Brundle. That's hardly being "regularly outraced" by Brundle. 86.101.132.100 14:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk pages aren't for this
Wikipedia policy is that talk pages are for suggesting improvements to the article. I just had to add this Bryan Adams grid-walk interview for non-ITV F1 fans:
 * "Martin Brundle: "Bryan, glad I caught up with you. Had to run to you. It seems like everything I do today is in a bit of a rush, but please forgive me." ... "The first time I went to a Grand Prix I thought I was going to go to Heaven." ... "These drivers are pretty reckless, but they don't give up do they?" ... "Thanks for talking to us, let's hope we can make it a race to remember."
 * Bryan Adams: "Yeah, when you're gone."Mark83 23:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

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Noteworthy?
is it noteworthy about his comments at the canadian grand prix? (UTC)

 * Which? -mattbuck (Talk) 20:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Pikey probe
Martin Brundle was investigated by Ofcom in 7 complaints, for using the term "Pikeys" in a television broadcast amid ITV apology. Brundle referred to repairs being made to the track:"There are some pikeys out there putting down new tarmac at Turn 10. Are they out of the way yet?" The word is considered insulting by the traveller community. The Oxford English Dictionary traced its use in 1837 by Times, “referring to strangers harvesting in the Isle of Sheppey island. Later that century it meant a "turnpike traveller" or vagabond. Recently, It’s use was associated with Irish travellers and Roma Gypsies.news.bbc.co.uk, How offensive is the word 'pikey'?mirror.co.uk, Formula 1 commentator in 'pikey' Ofcom probe--Florentino floro (talk) 12:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That section doesn't make much sense, it needs a pretty serious rewrite.--90.213.118.82 (talk) 18:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * For fuck's sake... pikey means chav now, and no one gives a crap about chavs... Yes, needs a rewrite and general slimming. -mattbuck (Talk) 19:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Hungarian Grand Prix
Martin Brundle has not commentated on (at least) the last 3 Hungarian Grand Prix. Is there any reason for this, or is it a scheduled holiday for him? Jasonauk (talk) 04:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes, and yes.

 * Family holiday is the reason usually announced. -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 11:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's usually the first race of the UK school summer holidays. I wish it didn't have to be Hungary though - leaving us to cope with such a traditionally dull race without his commentary must break some Amnesty International ruling....--MartinUK (talk) 16:00, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Post Formula One
"With Steve Rider busy covering the England versus Kazakhstan 2010 FIFA World Cup Group 6 qualification match, Brundle co-commentated and presented coverage of the 2008 Japanese Grand Prix at Fuji Speedway."

This bit makes no sense - should it just be 2008 World Cup? 米 (talk) 21:26, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Also:

"Brundle, along with former team owner Eddie Jordan and former F1 driver David Coulthard will form the 'pundit' team for commentary on the BBC broadcasts of Formula One races from 2009 onwards."

This needs updating and fixing as Brundle isn't a 'pundit', he's a commentator. 米 (talk) 21:31, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:MacGyver (1985 TV series)

The verb MacGyver
The verb was actually used in the very first episode of Stargate SG-1. I believe Samanthas words were "...... to macgyver it" about some artefact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.112.192.74 (talk) 00:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This may have already been mentioned on the "MacGyver in Popular Culture" article. If not, you could add it to that rather than to this article directly, but I think accurate information would be needed before that is done (if in fact it was the first episode, a direct quote, etc). --  Poet   Talk  15:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm such a nerd for knowing this, but the exact words were "It took us 15 years and three supercomputers to MacGyver a system..." I've watched that system more than I'd care to admit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.121.202.176 (talk) 05:17, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Then it's obviously used wrong. MacGyver never needed 15 years for anything and never used supercomputers. It violates the defining characteristics of MacGyver, except one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.174.247.125 (talk) 23:43, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

This use of MacGuyvering is akin to jerry/jury rigging or cobbling together, like a patchwork mishmash. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.55.8.120 (talk) 18:24, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Removed cable station
I recently removed an edit to the article listing a cable station that the show currently appears on:

"'MacGyver now airs on the Sleuth Cable Network.'"

I didn't think this kind of information was necessary in the location it appeared, or the article in general. There are several stations the show currently airs on, but I think a list of information like that should be avoided. If someone thinks that the information above deserves to be in the article, then by all means add it in an appropriate place. --  Poet   Talk  04:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

YouTube
MacGyver episodes are available on YouTube now (officially, with ads) for free. I'm not sure if this should be mentioned or not, but it's neat. What do others think? See here --Gavintlgold (talk) 06:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. The section titled "Syndication, cancellation, and future" is probably a perfect place to incorporate that kind of information. The online CBS episodes should be mentioned as the new format for syndication of the show." --  Poet   Talk  23:41, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Hollywood North in legacy
At least, I think it would be legacy where this would go; I'm pretty sure it's citable in film-history books/ articles about the biz in Vancouver; that MacGyver was one of the key foundations of what grew into Hollywood North (and not just Richard Dean Anderson is involved in Stargate). There were other series in Vancouver before or around this time - Wiseguy - and assorted features; but MacGyver was a proving-ground for series production/marketing in Vancouver and helped spawn the technical and professional core that grew into what "Hollywood North", so-called, is today (that term in Vancouver means the local industry, not the glitz-and-tinsel Hollywood wannabe thing TO's take on it is about). Anyway just wanted to mention that, as noted I'm sure it's in articles or books on the Canadian film business....some cites might already be in the Hollywood North article, or cites that could be refs for this if explored....Skookum1 (talk) 05:09, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

First name
What do the rules say about this? Is it really necessary to mention the main character's first name that often? After all, the running gag of the audience not knowing his first name was part of the fun. --MikeZ (talk) 00:37, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Recurring Characters
A number of shows have a list of recurring characters. Given that, it's surprising that such a list and brief descriptions isn't seen here. would adding such a list be appropriate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.148.122.100 (talk) 22:24, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

 * This section exists as its own page at List of MacGyver characters. That said, neither that article nor this article seem long enough to justify splitting them. Maybe the two should be merged. 0x0077BE (talk) 00:58, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Removal of list of problems solved
That was an interesting section, the deletion and redirect to this page is without merit or sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.9.17.128 (talk) 08:49, 4 March 2012 (UTC) +1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.205.121.128 (talk) 01:37, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

 * You can read it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_problems_solved_by_MacGyver&oldid=258219690 --Pwnagic (talk) 00:59, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

 * And still edit it at wikia:macgyver:List of problems solved by MacGyver. :) Matthias M. (talk) 16:59, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I completely agree. The list should be reverted, in my opinion. 19:30, 13 October 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beverfar (talk • contribs)

I completely agree that the list of problems solved should be brought back. I am hoping that some Wikipedia user edits them back in, or creates a separate linked page that is an active part of Wikipedia. The title character would do so.

Development hell?
Has the planned movie been thrown to Development hell?--RicHard-59 (talk) 13:41, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

The 2016 Macgyver Reboot does not belong on this page
The section for the Macgyer 2016 Reboot does NOT belong on this page. It already has a page of it's own. Plus it is not worthy of being on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.11.160.19 (talk) 22:11, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 15 January 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. — Za  wl  09:58, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Additional disambiguation is required. The new television show has been disambiguated and this one should be too. The MacGyver page should serve as a disambiguation page similar to how Hawaii Five-0 redirects to Hawaii Five-O which serves as a disambiguation page for Hawaii Five-0 (1968 TV series) and Hawaii Five-0 (2010 TV series). The Doctor Who (talk) 03:29, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * MacGyver → MacGyver (1985 TV series)
 * MacGyver (season 1) → MacGyver (1985 TV series, season 1)
 * MacGyver (season 2) → MacGyver (1985 TV series, season 2)
 * MacGyver (season 3) → MacGyver (1985 TV series, season 3)
 * MacGyver (season 4) → MacGyver (1985 TV series, season 4)
 * MacGyver (season 5) → MacGyver (1985 TV series, season 5)
 * MacGyver (season 6) → MacGyver (1985 TV series, season 6)
 * MacGyver (season 7) → MacGyver (1985 TV series, season 7)
 * List of MacGyver episodes → List of MacGyver (1985 TV series) episodes

 * Tentative support conditional on also moving Angus MacGyver -> MacGyver. The character is arguably the primary topic, due to cultural impact, more than the series per se. That character page can also act as the series disambig. No need to create something new. -- Netoholic @ 14:51, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Tentative support as well. I agree with the above comment. The character article should be moved to "MacGyver" as the primary topic. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree that makes sense, I support moving Angus MacGyver to MacGyver. MacGyver (disambiguation) already exists and can continue to serve as the disambiguation page. The Doctor Who  (talk) 00:31, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yep, we can use that. I've expanded it, adding (current) links to the seasons, etc. -- Netoholic @ 04:22, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

 * Support. Neutral on moving the character. kennethaw88 • talk 00:14, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Neutral, as the original series is still pretty darn notable in comparison to its reboot, but I'm down with anything. Whatever works best. Paintspot Infez (talk) 23:41, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Please fix Links
While I fixed the article, there are still a ton of links to List of MacGyver (1985 TV series) episodes (season 1) to 7 from the List of MacGyver characters. --Xario (talk) 10:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

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Feud with the Andrettis?
Just a thought, that there may be a place in the article OR in a separate linked article (Andretti-Cheever Feud?) to address the history between Cheever and the Andrettis. I recall it going at least as far back as Long Beach in '92, and as recently as Watkins Glen last year. Lmj81 23:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

also italian citizen
the sources are difficult to find, but at 18 years he became also italian citizen... he was nicknamed "l'americano di Roma", "the Rome american"... 213.140.17.100 20:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

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Michael Scott (born 14 December 1958) is a Scottish singer, songwriter, and musician. He is the founding member, lead singer, guitarist and songwriter of rock band The Waterboys. He has also produced two solo albums, Bring 'Em All In and Still Burning. Scott is a vocalist, guitarist and pianist, and has played a large range of other instruments, including the bouzouki, drums, and Hammond organ on his albums. Scott is also a published writer, having released his autobiography, Adventures of a Waterboy, in 2012.

Having begun a musical career in the 1970s, Scott has been making music professionally since the 1980s and is well known for his radical changes in music genres throughout what he refers to as his "allegedly unorthodox" career. Scott lives in Dublin, Ireland.

Early life and education
Scott was born and raised in Edinburgh, the son of Allan and Anne Scott. His father left the family when Mike was ten years old, but the two were reunited in 2007. Scott's mother was an English teacher, exposing him to the greats of English literature from a young age.

Scott was interested in music from an early age. At age 12, after the family had moved to Ayr, he began a serious interest in learning guitar. Scott remembers that, "from the minute [he] bought" Last Night in Soho by Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich in 1968 "knew [he] had to be in music", and mentions listening to Hank Williams as a "life-changing" experience. The next year, Scott was playing in school bands and formed the band Karma, named after the tenet in Hinduism, with a friend named John Caldwell. Karma's sound was inspired by David Bowie, The Beatles and Bob Dylan.

In 1977 Scott entered the University of Edinburgh, studying English literature and philosophy. Scott would later arrange poetry from William Butler Yeats, Robert Burns, and George MacDonald for The Waterboys recordings. Other literary influences on Scott's career include C. S. Lewis and The Diary of Vikenty Angarov. Scott left the University of Edinburgh after his first year.

Scott became interested in the British punk music scene, and began writing for fanzines, eventually starting his own, Jungleland. Scott was especially interested in the music of The Clash and Patti Smith, a tribute to whom, "A Girl Called Johnny", would become the first Waterboys single.

Pre-Waterboys musical career
Scott and a guitarist named Allan McConnell formed a band, The Bootlegs, which gave way to Another Pretty Face in 1978 when Caldwell and two other friends joined. The friends created their own record label, named New Pleasures, "obtained financial backing from the enigmatically named Z" and began releasing Another Pretty Face's singles. The band achieved some success with their first single "All the Boys Love Carrie" / "That's Not Enough" when New Musical Express named it "Single of the Week". The band signed a contract with Virgin Records, was featured on the cover of Sounds magazine, and toured with Stiff Little Fingers. Virgin, after receiving a demo tape from Another Pretty Face, released the band four months after the signing. Nikki Sudden, who had interviewed Another Pretty Face in Edinburgh for ZigZag magazine, asserts that "the APF stuff is still some of Mike Scott’s best work".

In 1980 through 1982 Scott, amongst other projects, worked occasionally with Sudden. Another Pretty Face continued to release music and recorded a Peel Session on 18 February 1981. The band eventually came to the attention of Nigel Grainge, founder of Ensign Records. Grainge signed Another Pretty Face to the label, and the band moved to London, changing its name to Funhouse (taken from the name of The Stooges' album Fun House). Scott had become dissatisfied with the band. He later described Funhouse's sound as "similar to a jumbo jet flying on one engine". Scott began working on solo songs and recordings, a decision that led to the creation of The Waterboys. A December 1981 session at Redshop Studios formed the beginnings of The Waterboys' first album, The Waterboys.

The Waterboys
The Waterboys' membership has changed a great deal throughout the group's existence. Anthony Thistlethwaite, Karl Wallinger, Kevin Wilkinson and Steve Wickham all made major contributions, but Scott describes the band as his project. "[T]o me there's no difference between Mike Scott and the Waterboys; they both mean the same thing. They mean myself and whoever are my current travelling musical companions." The Waterboys' first release was a single of "A Girl Called Johnny" in March 1983. The first album came out that June. Along with The Waterboys, the next two albums, A Pagan Place and This Is the Sea, released in 1984 and 1985, contained songs mostly written by Scott, and together formed the band's "Big Music" period. After the official addition of fiddler Steve Wickham and a move to Ireland, the next two albums Fisherman's Blues (1988) and Room to Roam (1990) were instead Celtic music-inspired folk music, a sound similar to that of We Free Kings, a band that Scott and Wickham performed with in 1986. Scott's musical style changed again to a more guitar based sound when he, under the name The Waterboys but without any other members, recorded Dream Harder, in 1993. It was a return to the "Big Music" sound but the last album to come out under the band's name until 2000. The band had dissolved over personnel issues and Wickham's desire to remain with a folk-rock, or purely folk music, sound. After two Mike Scott solo albums, A Rock in the Weary Land was released under The Waterboys name, demonstrating yet another musical style, which Scott called "Sonic rock". 2002's Universal Hall was a return to a folk-rock sound. It was followed by Karma to Burn, released in 2005, which was the group's first official live album, Book of Lightning, released in 2007, and An Appointment With Mr Yeats, released in 2011.

Solo albums
In addition to the albums he released with The Waterboys, Scott released two solo albums in the 1990s. The first Bring 'Em All In (1995), was recorded at the Findhorn Foundation in north Scotland, with Mike Scott playing all instruments himself. Musician and author Daniel Levitin ends his 2009 book The World in Six Songs with an extended discussion of the song "Bring 'Em All In", calling it "one of the greatest love songs ever written."

For his second solo album, Still Burning (1997), Scott assembled a group of session musicians including Pino Palladino and Jim Keltner. Guesting on the album was former Icicle Works frontman Ian McNabb. Songs from the two albums appeared on 1998's compilation album The Whole of the Moon: The Music of Mike Scott and the Waterboys along with songs from The Waterboys.

Scott's solo albums were positively received by critics but sales were significantly down from Waterboys releases. Following the commercial failure of Still Burning in 1997 Scott was dropped by Chrysalis Records and decided to revive the Waterboys name to achieve wider marketplace exposure, a process described in detail in his autobiography.

Scott created his own record label in 2003, Puck Records, which released The Waterboys' Universal Hall. In 2005, Karma to Burn was released, also by Puck Records, and included tracks from Scott's solo career played by The Waterboys line-up at the time.

After years in the making, Scott produced his show An Appointment with Mr. Yeats, which debuted in Dublin, in Yeats' own Abbey Theatre. In the show, Scott is accompanied by Steve Wickham and other musicians, and the poetry of W. B. Yeats is put to music by Scott. The show ran from 15 to 20 March 2010.

Solo
Albums
 * Bring 'Em All In (1995)
 * Lion of Love (fan club only release.)
 * Sunflowers (fan club only release.)
 * Still Burning (1997)
 * The Whole of the Moon: The Music of Mike Scott and the Waterboys (1998) (best-of collection)

Singles
 * "Bring 'Em All In" (1995)
 * "Building the City of Light" (1995)
 * "Love Anyway" (1997)
 * "Rare, Precious and Gone" (1998)

Other contributions

 * 107.1 KGSR Radio Austin - Broadcasts Vol.10 (2002) - "Bring 'Em All In"

Another Pretty Face
Albums
 * I'm Sorry That I Beat You, I'm Sorry That I Screamed, But for a Moment There I Really Lost Control (1981) (cassette)

Singles
 * "All the Boys Love Carrie" b/w "That's Not Enough" (1979) (7"; the first run of 1,000 copies with green printing, the second run of 5,000 copies with red printing)
 * "Whatever Happened to the West?" b/w "Goodbye 1970s" (1980) (7")
 * "Heaven Gets Closer Everyday" b/w "Only Heroes Live Forever" (1980) (7")
 * "Soul to Soul" (1981) b/w "A Woman's Place" and "God on the Screen" (7")

DNV

 * "Death in Venice" b/w "Mafia" and the intro to "Goodbye 1970s" (1979) (7")

Funhouse

 * "Out of Control" (1981) b/w "This Could Be Hell" (12"; rarer 7")

Personal life
Scott's first wife was Irene Keogh. He was married to his second wife Janet for 17 years.

He was in a relationship with singer-actress Camille O'Sullivan,  with whom he has a daughter born in 2013.

In October 2016, Scott married Japanese artist Megumi Igarashi, who calls herself Rokudenashiko. Their son was born on 2 February 2017. As of 2020, Scott resides in Dublin.

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is it really necessary to have such a long section on the 2003 brazilian gp??? AlbinoMonkey 06:57, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * No, most of that content can be moved to 2003 Brazilian Grand Prix. SamH 10:40, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I just moved a lot of the controversy verbage to the race report page; I left a little bit here, as some of it does directly pertain to Fisi. User:BillCook 19 Dec 2004

Parts of this article are not NPOV, and some of the logic doesn't hang together - if his motivation was affected by years at uncompetitive teams, why didn't it fire back up when he realised how quick the Renault was?

It say he was the only person to win a race and not stand on the top of the podium for nearly two years. Who was the other person this has happened to?Jimmmmmmmmm 17:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

 * It's my interpretation that he was no longer the only person to do so when he won at Australia, therefore dropping that distinction. Should be clarified.  Marimvibe 09:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

"For most of his career he has consistently outpaced his team-mates" "he had never been in a team with genuinely competitive equipment." etc. etc. Needs a lot of work. 208.54.14.30 13:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

DQ
Black flagged in Montreal for exiting the pits under a red light. DarkAudit 18:22, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

2008
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" Fisichella was the only F1 driver to have won a race without having stood atop the podium"
Seriously? How about the many, many, many races before 'the podium' became a big FIA-branded routine ceremony? They been checked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.11.160 (talk) 18:37, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

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Exactly how old was Emmo when he became WDC? I've seen the number in Guinness, but I can't recall. --squadfifteen, 17/10/05

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I wanted to mention that this image is NOT of the twin engined fittipaldi vw, as that car was a very different machine. Also, this car is clearly a stock bodied 67 with a 1600cc engine. The fittipaldi twin engine car was mostly fiberglass and besides that could hardly be recognized as a vw underneath it all — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.68.226 (talk) 20:22, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

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Apparently it's also called the "Fort of San Giorgio", but I'm not sure it's worth putting a redirect from that. Noel 22:36, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Gadsden flag

The Gadsden flag is a historical American flag with a yellow field depicting a timber rattlesnake coiled and ready to strike. Beneath the rattlesnake are the words "DONT TREAD ON ME". Some modern versions of the flag include an apostrophe.

The flag is named after Christopher Gadsden, a South Carolinian delegate to the Continental Congress and brigadier general in the Continental Army, who designed the flag in 1775 during the American Revolution. He gave the flag to Commodore Esek Hopkins, and it was unfurled on the main mast of Hopkins's flagship USS Alfred on December 20, 1775. Two days later, Congress made Hopkins commander-in-chief of the Continental Navy. He adopted the Gadsden banner as his personal flag, flying it from the mainmast of the flagship while he was aboard. The Continental Marines also flew the flag during the early part of the war.

The rattlesnake was a symbol of the unity of the Thirteen Colonies at the start of the Revolutionary War, and it had a long history as a political symbol in America. Benjamin Franklin used it for his Join, or Die woodcut in 1754. Gadsden intended his flag to serve as a physical symbol of the American Revolution's ideals.

The flag has been described as the "most popular symbol of the American Revolution." Its design proclaims an assertive warning of vigilance and willingness to act in defense against coercion. This has led it to be associated with the ideas of individualism and liberty. It is often used in the United States as a symbol of right-libertarianism, classical liberalism, and small government, as well as for distrust or defiance against authorities and government.

Variations in appearance
Many variations of the Gadsden flag exist. The motto sometimes includes an apostrophe in the word "Don't" and sometimes does not; the typeface used for the motto is sometimes a serif typeface and other times sans-serif. The rattlesnake is sometimes shown as resting on a green ground; representations dating from 1885 and 1917 do not display anything below the rattlesnake. The rattlesnake usually faces to the left, and the early representations mentioned above face left. However, some versions of the flag show the snake facing to the right.

History of the rattlesnake symbol in America
The timber rattlesnake can be found in the area of the original Thirteen Colonies. Like the bald eagle, part of its significance is that it was unique to the Americas, serving as a means of showing a separate identity from the Old World. Its use as a symbol of the American colonies can be traced back to the publications of Benjamin Franklin. In 1751, he made the first reference to the rattlesnake in a satirical commentary published in his Pennsylvania Gazette. It had become the policy of the British Parliament to send convicted criminals to Britain's North American colonies (primarily the Province of Georgia), so Franklin suggested that Americans thank Parliament by sending rattlesnakes to Britain.

In 1754, during the French and Indian War, Franklin published Join, or Die, a woodcut of a snake cut into eight sections. It represented the colonies, with New England joined as the head and South Carolina as the tail, following their order along the coast. This was the first political cartoon published in an American newspaper.

In 1774, Paul Revere added Franklin's iconic cartoon to the nameplate of Isaiah Thomas's paper, the Massachusetts Spy, depicted there as fighting a British griffin.

In December 1775, Benjamin Franklin published an essay in the Pennsylvania Journal under the pseudonym "American Guesser" in which he suggested that the rattlesnake was a good symbol for the American spirit and its valuation for vigilance, assertiveness, individualism, unity, and liberty: "[...] there was painted a Rattle-Snake, with this modest motto under it, 'Don't tread on me.' [...] she has no eye-lids. She may therefore be esteemed an emblem of vigilance. She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders [...] The Rattle-Snake is solitary, and associates with her kind only when it is necessary for their preservation [...] 'Tis curious and amazing to observe how distinct and independent of each other the rattles of this animal are, and yet how firmly they are united together, so as never to be separated but by breaking them to pieces. [...] The power of fascination attributed to her, by a generous construction, may be understood to mean, that those who consider the liberty and blessings which America affords, and once come over to her, never afterwards leave her, but spend their lives with her." The rattlesnake symbol was first officially adopted by the Continental Congress in 1778 when it approved the design for the seal of the War Office. At the top center of the seal is a rattlesnake holding a banner that says, "This we'll defend". This design of the War Office seal was carried forward—with some minor modifications—into the subsequent designs as well as the Department of the Army's seal, emblem and flag. As such, some variation of a rattlesnake symbol has been in continuous official use by the US Army for over 243 years.

Other American flags that use a rattlesnake motif include The United Companies of the Train of Artillery of the Town of Providence, the First Navy Jack, and the Culpeper Minutemen flag, among others.

In the 21st century, the Gadsden Flag has been used by supporters of the Tea Party movement.

History
George Washington established the Continental Navy in 1775 as Commander in Chief of the Continental Forces, before Esek Hopkins was named Commodore of the Navy. The first ships were used to intercept incoming transport ships carrying war supplies to the British in the colonies in order to supply the Continental Army, which was desperately undersupplied in the opening years of the American Revolutionary War.

Continental Colonel Christopher Gadsden represented South Carolina in the Congress, and he was one of seven members of the Marine Committee outfitting the first naval mission. Paul Aron described Gadsden as a "leading advocate of an American navy." The first Marines carried drums painted yellow and depicting a coiled rattlesnake with thirteen rattles along with the motto "Don't Tread on Me." This is the first recorded mention of the flag's symbolism.

Gadsden decided that the American navy needed a distinctive flag and took it upon himself to make one in 1775. He gave Commodore Esek Hopkins a yellow rattlesnake flag to serve as his personal standard on USS Alfred, the flagship of America's first navy squadron. Gadsden intended the design to serve as a physical symbol of the American Revolution's ideals. The rattlesnake was seen in Charleston, South Carolina as a "noble and useful" animal that gave warning before it attacked. Before being appointed to lead the Navy, Hopkins had led The United Companies of the Train of Artillery of the Town of Providence, a unit that flew a flag similar to Gadsden's. He unfurled the Gadsden flag on the main mast of USS Alfred on December 20, 1775, while the ship was at anchor in Chesapeake Bay. Whenever he was aboard, Hopkins flew the flag from the mainmast of the flagship as his personal banner. Alfred was also the first recorded ship to fly the Grand Union Flag, the first national flag of the United States, when Senior Lieutenant John Paul Jones hoisted it on December 3, 1775, while the ship floated in the Delaware River near Philadelphia.

By winter 1775, the South Carolina Provincial Congress expected that British forces would attack Charleston and recalled Gadsden home from Congress in Philadelphia to command the 1st South Carolina Regiment. By January 14, Gadsden had both his orders to return home and permission from the Continental Congress to leave. On Friday, February 9, 1776, he presented an example of his yellow rattlesnake flag to president of the Congress William Henry Drayton.

Gadsden's presentation of the rattlesnake flag was recorded in the South Carolina congressional journals on February 9, 1776:

"Col. Gadsden presented to the Congress an elegant standard, such as is to be used by the commander in chief of the American Navy; being a yellow field, with a lively representation of a rattlesnake in the middle in the attitude of going to strike and these words underneath, 'Don't tread on me.'"

In 1861, a ship from Georgia entered Boston Harbor flying a version of the Gadsden Flag with 15 stars on it signifying the 15 slave states. The captain removed the flag after a large and angry crowd gathered, who then destroyed it.

Modern use
For historical reasons, the Gadsden flag is still popularly flown in Charleston, South Carolina, the city where Christopher Gadsden first presented the flag and where it was commonly used during the revolution, along with the blue and white crescent flag of pre-Civil War South Carolina.

The Gadsden flag has become a popular specialty license plate in several states. , the following states offer the option of obtaining a Gadsden flag specialty license plate: Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Missouri, Montana, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

Use as a libertarian symbol
In the 1970s, libertarians began using the Gadsden flag as a symbol to represent individual rights and limited government. The flag's prominent yellow or gold color is also strongly associated with libertarianism. The libertarian Free State Project in New Hampshire uses a modified version of the flag with the snake replaced by a porcupine, a symbol of the libertarian movement.

Other libertarian variants of the flag have changed the words "Don't Tread On Me" to "Don't Tread On Anyone", in one version replacing the single snake with multiple snakes of different colors, or in other cases with a porcupine.

Use by the left
In the mid-1970s, the New Left People's Bicentennial Commission used the Gadsden flag symbolism on buttons and literature.

Use by the right
The Gadsden flag has also been used by groups and individuals on the right. The Gadsden flag was featured prominently in a report related to the January 6, 2021, attack of the United States Capitol.

Use as a symbol of the Tea Party movement
Beginning in 2009, the Gadsden flag was widely used as a protest symbol by protesters who supported the American Tea Party movement. It was also displayed by members of Congress at Tea Party rallies. In some cases, the flag was ruled to be a political, rather than a historic or military, symbol due to the strong Tea Party connection.

Used in a terrorist act
In 2014, the flag was used by Jerad and Amanda Miller, the perpetrators of the 2014 Las Vegas shootings who killed two police officers and a civilian. The Millers reportedly placed the Gadsden Flag on the corpse of one of the officers they killed.

Legal cases involving the Gadsden flag
In March 2013, the Gadsden flag was raised at a vacant armory building in New Rochelle, New York, without permission from city officials. The city ordered its removal and the United Veterans Memorial & Patriotic Association, which had maintained the U.S. flag at the armory, filed suit against the city. A federal judge dismissed the case, rejecting the United Veterans' First Amendment argument and ruling that the flagpole in question was city property and thus did not represent private speech.

In 2014, a US Postal Service employee filed a complaint about a coworker repeatedly wearing a hat with a Gadsden Flag motif at work. Postal service administration dismissed the complaint, but the United States Equal Employment Opportunity Commission reversed the decision and called for a careful investigation. The EEOC issued a statement clarifying that it did not make any decision that the Gadsden flag was a "racist symbol," or that wearing a depiction of it constituted racial discrimination.

In 2023, a seventh grader at The Vanguard School in Colorado Springs named Jaiden Rodriguez was removed from school for wearing several patches that were "in violation of the school’s dress code policy" including a Gadsden flag patch. After high-profile backlash against the decision, including criticism from Governor Jared Polis, the school reversed its decision.

Rainbow version
Street Patrol, a 1990s queer self-defense group affiliated with Queer Nation/San Francisco, used as its logo a coiled snake over a triangle holding a ribbon with the motto "Don't Tread on Me". Some libertarian circles use a version of the flag with the snake and motto placed over a rainbow flag. Following the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting, posters containing a rainbow Gadsden flag inscribed with "#ShootBack" were placed around West Hollywood.

Use outside the U.S.
The Gadsden flag has been used by supporters of Argentine right-libertarian president Javier Milei. During Milei's inauguration, there were Gadsden flags flown which is one of the first times the flag was flown with notability in a foreign inauguration.

Parodies
Parodies and pastiches of the Gadsden flag exist; one common design replaces the "Don't tread on me" motto with "No Step on Snek", sometimes paired with a crudely drawn snake.

Appearances in popular culture
The Gadsden flag has made numerous appearances in popular culture, particularly in post-apocalyptic stories.

In art

 * The Freedom Train, a graffiti artwork painted in 1976, incorporated the Gadsden flag in its design.

In film and television

 * In the 1982 film Tootsie, the character of Jeff Slater (Bill Murray) is shown to have the Gadsden flag displayed in his bedroom.
 * In the 1985 film Rocky IV, the character of Paulie (Burt Young) wears a coat with the flag on the back while in Russia.
 * In the 1995 The Simpsons episode "Bart vs. Australia", Bart reveals in an act of "patriotism" the phrase "Don't Tread On Me" written across his buttocks when he is supposed to be kicked by the Australian Prime Minister as a punishment.
 * In the 2000 film The Patriot, the flag is shown being flown by American troops during the Battle of Cowpens.
 * In the 2006 CBS apocalyptic drama series Jericho, Gadsden flags are shown several times, most notably in the series finale when Jericho's mayor, Gray Anderson (Michael Gaston), replaces the town hall's "Allied States of America" flag with a Gadsden flag.
 * In the 2009 NBC mockumentary sitcom Parks and Recreation, Ron Swanson (Nick Offerman) has a miniature Gadsden flag in his office.
 * In the 2023 HBO apocalyptic drama series The Last of Us, Bill (Nick Offerman) has a Gadsden flag in his house.

In music

 * American heavy metal band Metallica recorded a song called "Don't Tread on Me" on their self-titled fifth studio album, released in 1991. The album cover features a dark-gray picture of a coiled rattlesnake like the one found on the Gadsden Flag.
 * American country singer Granger Smith recorded a song called “Don’t Tread On Me,” which was featured on his 9th studio album “When The Good Guys Win.” The song also featured his alter ego, Earl Dibbles Jr.
 * American rapper Lil Darkie recorded a song called "DON'T TREAD ON ME", released in 2019, in regards to the New Zealand Mosque Shootings. The cover art depicts Lil Darkie's self drawn character as the rattlesnake on the Gadsden Flag.

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Scott Herren, Prefuse 73, Delarosa & Asora and Savath & Savalas were proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE ALL. Only 2 votes to delete, but no objections lodged, and wikipedia has no quorum requirement. Postdlf 06:30, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Scott Herren
Non-notable music producer. His aliases are also given individual articles: Prefuse 73, Delarosa & Asora, and Savath & Savalas. I propose they all be deleted. -- WOT 22:37, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete All: No evidence whatever of notability, and only one article per person.  One does not get an article with every alias.  Indeed, I hope there is not an Andy Kaufman and Tony Clifton, and those might be two different people. Geogre 19:23, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Origin
Current information regarding Marc Gené's origins is redundant. Being Catalan implicitly means being Spanish. As well as being Scottish implies being British: (for instance). Furthermore the flag icon under his picture, already clarifies any posible misunderstanding regarding the state where he was born. On the other hand, being Spanish does not necessarily imply being catalan. Hence, the clarification Spanish should be removed to avoid tediously reading.--Civit cardona (talk) 13:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sub-national or regional identities do not count as nationalities. Catalonia is not a passport-issuing country that you can be a citizen of, and Gené has raced under the flag of Spain throughout his career. This also applies to Scotland / UK in every case regarding racing drivers. The situation regarding actors etc is outside the F1 Wikiproject. As far as racing drivers are concerned, the best way to address the situation (if you want to) is to say that Gené is a Spanish racing driver from Catalonia. Bretonbanquet (talk) 14:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I want to address it.
 * First of all Spanish law has recognizText en cursivaed Catalonia as nationality:
 * Spanish law recognises the autonomous communities of Andalusia, Aragón, Catalonia, Valencia, Galicia and the Basque Country as "nationalities" (Nacionalidades).[]. Then it can be used.
 * Regarding passport-issuing, could you explain how is this fact related to our discussion? What does it have to do his passport with his origins? Please point out any--Civit cardona (talk) 07:55, 16 June 2009 (UTC) guideline from WikiProject Formula One about this.
 * About the comparison with an actor, I was looking for an example of consensus and I think this is a good one, even if it is not from F1 racing driver. His origins are clear enough, since anyone is always able to check what does mean being Scottish or Catalan.
 * I guess you didn't open a discussion in De la Rosa talk page to avoid duplicating messages/POV. Hence I suggest changes here have to be performed there in the same way.--Civit cardona (talk) 14:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Spanish law is not relevant to the English language Wikipedia, firstly. In international law, Catalonia is not a country. All kinds of national law applies all over the world regarding nationhood and independence, but this is not always recognised internationally. Re: passport-issuing: if a region does not issue a passport, then you cannot be a citizen of that region. Spain issues passports, Catalonia does not - therefore the citizenship is of Spain. Both Gené and de la Rosa have always raced under the Spanish flag with Spanish licences.
 * With regard to guidelines, the Manual of Style (biographies) states that nationality refers to "the country of which the person is a citizen or national", in this case and that of Pedro de la Rosa, that is Spain. It is not a question of origins, but of citizenship. For British people, it says there is no clear consensus, and so with regard to F1 drivers the F1 Wikiproject thrashed out an agreement that became a clear and long-standing consensus with regard to British racing drivers. With regard to your last point, I saw the de la Rosa page first, edited there, then I saw this discussion - that is why I didn't discuss there. I don't see what POV has to do with anything. As I said before, I don't see a problem with saying that they are Spanish racing drivers from Catalonia, but Spain must be mentioned. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:49, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd like to add that I can see no real problem with how this article reads at the moment, i.e. "Spanish Catalan racing driver", or with how the issue is addressed at Oriol Servià. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Spanish law is not relevant to the English language Wikipedia, firstly. It's an argument. Oftenly used when people tend to mix concepts such country, nation and state. I recommend you to take a look to these links.
 * In international law, Catalonia is not a country. Please point out your sources. I think it matches the definition.
 * Ok. I'm not going to start a "war" against previous consensus, even if I think they are incorrectly stated (that is, incorrect use of the word "country") and even if I don't get the point of mixing sovereign states in a competition such as F1, a competition between motor-racing teams.
 * Then I propose to use the Oriol Servià's "template" for all these three drivers. Since it seems ok for everybody.--Civit cardona (talk) 07:55, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If I can circumvent your obfuscation of the matter, I think you know what we're talking about here - it's List of sovereign states, and Catalonia is not on there. The words state/country/nation are not clearly delineated within common usage, and in English at least, "state" and "country" are commonly interchangeable. When talking about nationality, we are not talking about people being born in autonomous or semi-autonomous communities. We are talking about independent sovereign states that are not subdivisions of other states. Catalonia is patently a subdivision of Spain, a widely recognised sovereign state. The point of sovereign states in F1 is that, like most sports, each driver represents his sovereign state, not any subdivision of one. I am in agreement with the idea to use Servià's article as a basis for the other two, and I don't think anyone will protest. Bretonbanquet (talk) 08:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You may call it obfuscation. That depends on your POV. I guess someone born in Northern Ireland or Tibet would have call it "properly editing". Anyway, as I said I'm not going to teach the whole wikipedia community this difference. Hence I will apply our agreement to the other articles. Cheers, --Civit cardona (talk) 08:47, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * My view is a POV, like your view is a POV, and like the view of the person born in Northern Ireland or Tibet is a POV. To one editor, they are Northern Irish and Tibetan, to another editor they are British and Chinese - neither is incorrect and it can be a delicate and sensitive matter for both sides. It's POV vs. POV like much of Wikipedia, but unlike much of Wikipedia, here we have found a compromise. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 08:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

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The crash
The article claims that Beltoise was pushing his car across the track. Video evidence suggests otherwise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfECqIg0gd8

I'm not saying that the article is wrong. Indeed, the claim has been repeated multiple times in other forums. But the video at least raises doubts. Flanker235 (talk) 13:01, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

 * It had said "along the track" for a long time until January, when an IP changed it to "across". I have changed it back. If good evidence arises that Beltoise was pushing his car across the track then we can add it. But the video clearly shows that, at the time of impact, he was not doing that. Bretonbanquet (talk) 13:17, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

 * Thank you. Flanker235 (talk) 14:58, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

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