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Hi, Jarba. :) You should sign in when you edit your own user page. Sometimes, it can inadvertently look like vandalism when an anon IP edits a user page. Just a heads up. :) func (talk) 01:59, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Beit Jala
Hi Jabra! Is Beit Jala a grass carpet or a pile of stones? I read the grass carpet information on www.beit-jala.org. Can you verify the pile of stones claim? Dbach 09:55, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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User:Benc/Deletion

Ah, deletion. Everyone has their own opinions on this issue, and I'm no exception. :-)

Being vague
Examples:
 * Delete. Not encyclopedic.
 * Delete. Violates policy.

By themselves, phrases like "not encyclopedic" and "violates policy" are extremely vague. If you're trying to explain the reasoning behind your vote, you need to be more specific: how is this article not encyclopedic; which policy does it violate? If, for the sake of time, you'd rather just vote without explaining your rationale, do it in a single word. Please don't use one of these pseudo-rationales; they're distinctly unhelpful.

Crusading
Examples:
 * Keep. I'm the page author, and here is my dissertation why this page should be kept, and why you're dead wrong if you vote "delete". (Huge discussion follows.)
 * (Lengthy responses to every single non-"keep" vote.)

No matter how logical and reasonable you think you are being, writing a very lengthy article defense often accomplishes the opposite of what you were aiming for. Why? Solution: write everything you must, as succinctly as possible. Avoid "you're wrong, and this is why" type responses; this is not a good way to persuade people to embrace your point-of-view.
 * Generally, people on VfD want just the facts, ma'am. Longer, rambling accounts are less likely to be read and understood.
 * If you respond to every non-"keep" vote, some may assume you've embarked on a holy crusade to keep the article, and take you less seriously.
 * If you allow yourself a knee-jerk reaction to every critic, personal attacks become more likely, both from others and from yourself.

Holding Wikipedia to the wrong standards
Example:
 * Delete this computer, sci-fi, or Internet-related article. Topics like this one are why some people call us "the Encyclopedia That Slashdot Built".

Bad: "Gee, I don't know if that girl I'm trying to impress would like the fact that I enjoy science fiction. Guess I'd better burn my sci-fi book collection just in case."

Good: "To increase my knowledge (and to impress the girl) I'll keep my sci-fi book collection but expand it to include literature, romantic poetry, and so on."

In other words, the solution to our topical bias involves creating and expanding "non-slashdotty" topics, not deleting the more technical or esoteric topics. We're here to build an encyclopedia according to guidelines developed by the community. We are not here to rip out chunks of it in order to conform to Joe Critic's view of what we should be.

Of course, some articles are genuinely non-notable within their class. In this case, attack the article, not the class. Don't use a bogus "but we should look less like Slashdot and more like Brittanica!" argument. Wikipedia is neither.

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Talk:Geography of Mexico

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Continents and regions
North America includes Mexico, and it is not part ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhof Central America. That is a common view in the English-speaking world.

The United Nations has its own ideas. They define Mexico as part of Central America, a "subregion" of "Latin America and the Caribbean".Wait one moment.... What about tailand? Whatever. Moving on. Wikipedia needs to include the UN point of view, of course, but we are not bound by it. --Uncle Ed 20:16, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

 * The UN geoscheme is not based in geography, because how to understand that Mexico only is 12.11% in Central America (according to some geographers), and they however include it all in Central America? Mexico being 12.11% in Central America means that the remaining 87.89% is where!? Of course in the North American region. This is an article about geography, so I think geopolitics should not play a major role. For better understanding in this issue, you can visit Talk:North America. AlexCovarrubias 07:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

 * be minnie mouseadded to the article. Aquzenn 22:20, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Middle America??
It’s funny how the term “Middle Americaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa” which includes a lot of countries, is only mention when it comes to Mexico, I guess we should go to all the Central American countries, the Caribbean, Colombia and Venezuela and include that they also belong to the so-called region of ”Middle America”. Supaman89
 * Why not? That would only make the articles better and more precise (careful about usage regarding Colombia and Venezuela, which are rarely included in the 'so-called' region.)  I'll get to it eventually.  Corticopia 21:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you mean Mesoamerica..."Middle America" is a reference to middle-class culture in the United States.Skookum1 (talk) 17:15, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Comparison of maps
Map A labels seas, oceans, gulfs, islands, important cities in Mexico, and the countries bordering Mexico. This is immediately relevant to the introduction of the article as it mentions the Pacific Ocean, the United States, the Gulf of California, the Gulf of Mexico, Belize, Guatemala, the Caribbean Sea, Isla Guadalupe, the Islas Revillagigedo, and the cities of Ciudad Juárez, Mérida, and Mexico City by name. In comparison, Map B labels none of these things, except for the U.S. It labels the states of Mexico, but the introduction of the article doesn't mention any states, except for the five eastern ones. We already have a map of these states, and in any case map B cannot be directly cross-referenced with the introduction as it uses abbreviations rather than state names. So, Map A appears to be a better choice for the introduction. Spacepotato (talk) 04:14, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I could actually label the oceans in map B, I also think it is better because it has a more precise division of Mexico, just naming some cities doesn't look good for a country has big as Mexico, it needs to have its subdivisions, in fact that's why you're supporting map A isn't it? Because it is more detailed about the islands and oceans right? and well about the mention of the U.S. states, it is the geography of Mexico right? if any states should be named they should be Mexico's not the U.S. ones.

 * BTW I’m just waiting for Corticopia to come and say the same stuff that you said, what a surprise. Supaman89 (talk) 04:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, I agree with Spacepotato. As for you Supaman89, you're undeserving of additional commentary. Corticopia (talk) 13:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Discrepancy in information
ohla

I have discovered what I believe may be an error in this article, as I am no expert on the matter I would appreciate some confirmation.

Under the heading "Physical features" : "Beginning approximately 50 kilometers from the United States border, the Sierra Madre Occidental extends 5000 kilometers south to the Río Santiago, where it merges with the Cordillera Neovolcánica range that runs east-west across central Mexico."

When I link to 'Sierra Madre Occidental' I get this information.

"The Sierra Madre Occidental is a mountain range in western Mexico and the extreme southwest of the United States,[1] extending 1500 km from southeast Arizona (south and east of Tucson) southeast through eastern Sonora, western Chihuahua, Durango, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes to Guanajuato, where it joins with the Sierra Madre Oriental and the Eje Volcánico Transversal (Transverse Volcanic Axis) of central Mexico."

My problem being one article states the mountain range extends 5000 kms and the other states 1500 kms.

Can somebody please shed some light on this please?

Iwiki
Please add this uk:Географія Мексики to the main page--Kusluj (talk) 08:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Climate in Northern Desert Areas: Baja California, Sonora, Chihuahua, Coahuila, and Nuevo Leon
Information about this desertic areas in the north of Mexico is missing, this is very important in the states of Baja California, Sonora, Chihuahua, Coahuila, and Nuevo Leon--Mario 181193 (talk) 04:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)Mario 181193 editsemiprotected

 * Hi. Can you please provide the information needed together with the links to their sources and then put up this edit semi-protected template again? Thanks! Bejinhan  Talk   04:28, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

 * Don't forget to supply full citations to reliable sources. Aladdin Sane (talk) 04:28, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

This need a picture of the desert
The section about climate lacks a picture of the Mexican desert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tlakuache (talk • contribs) 09:19, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

The impact so far, and the future impact, of global warming on Mexico?
I would like to know what climate experts think will happen to Mexico in particular, not just the world in general. (Since wealthy, republican, United States conservatives love to preach about personal responsibility and also tend to at first deny, and then later, minimize, global warming, i'm hoping that best of that scurvy lot will some day issue mea culpas and take some responsibility.)I'm guessing, but don't have proof, that the wealthiest of these climate change deniers are buying up land in the northern USA and Canada and getting rid of their landholdings in the southern USA and Mexico.)--Richard Peterson216.86.177.36 (talk) 00:25, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * This article does not yet have any information about climate change in Mexico, but some information is provided in Water resources management in Mexico. Jarble (talk) 19:37, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

What's wrong with the climate map that I'm posting?
I've being posting a very accurate climate mape in this article and the edition has been reverted constantly... I'm the creator of this image, I have used the Diva-Gis data by and made the edition on Paint... where's the problem Athomeinkobe (talk)

how come a child painted map (or at least a very poor accuracy) can be better than the one I have tried to post

— Preceding unsigned comment added by JavierRA (talk • contribs) 15:26, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

 * I've just created a new map, using the criteria for Koeppen climate types from this academic source: http://koeppen-geiger.vu-wien.ac.at/pdf/Paper_2006.pdf

 * There are some shifts, mainly due to the correct criteria being used for Cw, and for the half-years being used to calculate the 'Cs' and 'Cw' types (the paper linked above clarifies that summer and winter are defined as 'summer half-year: April-September' and 'winter half-year: October-March' for the purposes of calculate precipitation criteria for 'Cs' and 'Cw'). Because of that, you can end up with a weird situation where there is a summer rainfall maximum in a summer month, yet a dry spring month in April or May can qualify an area as having a 'Cs' climate.

 * See my User Page for a detailed example of this for Flagstaff, Arizona. Redtitan (talk) 08:21, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

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Environmental conditions
I noticed that there were no sources for this section. I looked up the first sentence on the Internet and got a match immediately from the Federal Research Division of the Library of Congress. I believe that this is a reliable reference, but there should be some serious revamping done by rewording the article. This is direct plagiarism, and citing the source will not be enough.

To add, this information was reportedly researched within the range of 1986 and 1998. There should be an effort to update the information to more current data. Because of the time frame of the current information, any affects NAFTA had on the environmental conditions would be nice to know. Information about Mexico's recent climate change laws, their implementation, and/or current progress would be a nice addition as well. — Hbonilla2 (talk) 03:58, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

environmental conditions section and sources
- links for sources 2, 3 and 4 lead to a page that is not foundMiramarble95 (talk) 07:35, 3 April 2017 (UTC) - the "environmental conditions" section has no citations, but a very large number of facts and statistics is usedMiramarble95 (talk) 07:35, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Peer review: needs more sources
The page is very interesting, I really like how much information each section has, but the one that is bothering me is that after the first part of the article, there is barely any sources cited. We can't be for sure if the information you're using is valid because there are no sources backing up this information. I do see sources, but only in the first part of this article, but after that I don't see anymore. Overall the information is very well written, you just need to cite the sources that were used after the first part of this article.MidoriWolf07 (talk) 03:13, 2 May 2017 (UTC)midoriwolf07

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Improving "Environmental conditions"
Hi! I'm thinking about possibly spending this semester looking more into environmental issues in Mexico and working to improve the "Environmental conditions" subheading within this article. Perhaps this isn't the best place to do it (if so, please kindly redirect me! Thank you!), but I would also like to add a little bit of information about the environmental movement in Mexico. If you would like to see a list of the sources I may potentially use, you can find it on my user page! Please let me know what you think. Cheers! Abrild72 (talk) 08:24, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

"South Mexico" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect South Mexico. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 27 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 13:38, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

New
I did not see anything inaccurate. Each fact is referenced with a link to more information. I did not find the video of the NASA flying over Earth to be helpful. In this point I find it pointless to include because it doesn't show anything for the geology. The article is neutral and provides more info on Mexico's Geology/ how it got to the point its at. To me the climate was very broad information. Just says tropical to dessert, could've had more information included on what the climate is like in the area. The links do work and there is well done paraphrasing. Only thing I would add is more climate information. Why was the NASA fly over Mexico included?

Is the permanent crop number of 1.36% good or bad? GeologyofMexicoMaster (talk) 18:32, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

 * Most of the references are up to date because they are from 2011-2019, but I would like to see articles from 2020 because a lot can happen in just a year.

One of the articles I found biased was “Canadian mining doing serious environmental harm, the IACHR is told” because it already states in the title it is looking to persuade you to think people are harming the environment in caranda which isn’t even connected to Mexico. --2601:204:EE7F:F090:2829:78C2:55F9:8F5C (talk) 18:50, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

 * Most of the references are up to date because they are from 2011-2019, but I would like to see articles from 2020 because a lot can happen in just a year.--2601:204:EE7F:F090:2829:78C2:55F9:8F5C (talk) 18:50, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

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Who was Benjamin Pine, and how can he have been "officially" Governor of WA if he did not take office? Either he was sworn in as Governor or he wasn't. If he wasn't, he can't be on the list. Adam 00:23, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I know what you're saying. Have a look at http://www.ccentre.wa.gov.au/html/prems_govenors/governorshtml/benjaminpine.html and tell me what you think. I think he deserves a place on the list, but perhaps there should be an explanation in parentheses after it. ~

Hi. That account has no edits other than to Changing username, so there's nothing to be done as far as renaming it. Regards  — Kate Turner | Talk 01:49, 2004 Oct 14 (UTC)

This hinges on what definition of "taking office" we use. If the criterion was the issuing of Letters Patent, then Pine was indeed Governor - but in that case there will presumably other people who were appointed but did not take up their offices, because they died or changed their minds or whatever, and our lists would be full of ghost governors. I think the correct criterion should be taking the oath of office, and thus actually assuming the functions of the office. By that criterion Pine was not Governor. Adam 03:28, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

PS the convention is that I send you a message on your Talk Page, and you reply on my Talk page. Adam 03:28, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi, Drew. I've moved Professor Gordon Reid to Gordon Reid. We avoid honorary titles such as "Doctor", "Sir", etc, in article titles. Hope that makes sense. Deb 10:53, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Select Committee on Reserves (Reserve 43131) Bill 2003
Thanks mate :) any chance of getting some help on that one? - Ta bu shi da yu 05:26, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Leonora
Hi, Drew. Whilst I can understand your reasoning, I think you have taken the wrong action. It is far more likely that someone would look under "Leonora" searching for the heroine of Fidelio than that they would look there for Leonora, Western Australia, therefore the disambiguation page should stand. As for not having a link, disambiguation pages are not supposed to have any links from articles. Deb 12:44, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Hi again. When I checked the links, I also came across two novels and a film with potential for becoming "Leonora" articles.  Have another look at the disambig page and I think you'll be satisfied. Deb 12:16, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Governors
I agree. Governors are part of the political system but they are not politicians. Perhaps a new "Australian Governors" could be created. Adam 05:56, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

C. Y. O'Connor
Hi Drew, I can see your argument but I'm in two minds about this; if we excluded the overseas-born from all categories of Australian people, where would it leave us? Even some Prime Ministers wouldn't get a guernsey. I doubt that many Irish or NZers have even heard of O'Connor (but I could be wrong). Cheers Grant65 (Talk) 23:38, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)

David Carnegie
Thanks a bunch. Yeah I went to your user page to get into a dust up about how pessimistic you were, and then your User Page slapped me in the face with its succinctness. :') I thought to myself; well I guess I can't argue with that! What will it take for you to elaborate on it? A bottle of tequila, hehehe. I gotta say your pretty prolific in your local area; keep on fighting the good fight. Cheers. - RoyBoy [ ∞ ] 02:16, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

23rd PM etc
Drew I know you are trying to be helpful but I am opposed to making any concessions to this anon idiot who insists that Hawke was the 28th PM. If we add such a mysterious footnote to the Hawke article, we will have to add it to every PM article going back to Deakin. We should defend the existing convention and not make concessions to fools, especially anon fools, no matter how persistent they are. Adam 09:43, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Robert Bush
I've responded to your queries on my talk page. I've also tweaked the Robert Bush article myself. I don't know how much you know about 19th century cricket, but if you know a bit about Test matches in the 19th century I'd welcome your comments about that article. My sources are all written from an English perspective, so it could do with a bit of Aussie input to balance it up. Kind regards, jguk 11:06, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Image:Walter James (1863-1943).jpg
Hi Drew,

I noticed the image you uploaded, Image:Walter James (1863-1943).jpg. I wasn't able to find it at. Could you provide a more specific link to the image there? (If you can find it again, and it's still posted there ...)

Thanks, dbenbenn | talk 15:59, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

John Forrest
To be honest, I wasn't aware he was in categories which in turn were in turn in Category:History of Western Australia. But, he is such a prominent figure that I think he deserves a direct entry in there also. I'm quite relaxed about the issue though. (I wouldn't for a minute advocate putting every Premier/MLA/MLC in there, and I do feel strongly about that!).- Ianbrown 02:16, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Drew
I get very little time to do stuff like explore and set up properly. Thanks for editing up the assorted pages on WestOz that I started.

Leonbrooks 13:39, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

WA electorates
I think you should follow the usage of the WAEC as closely as possible, while not creating titles that will mislead Wikipedia readers. I would suggest Electoral District of Nedlands and Electoral Region of Agricultural. Adam 02:56, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If I may so, your work on articles about early Western Australian politicians are brilliant - I've been reading them for the last hour. People from this period so often tend to get forgotten about on Wikipedia, but this set of articles makes for a fascinating read. Ambi 13:08, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Drew, would you happen to know where I might be able to find election dates and member lists for the WA Legislative Assembly before 1960? The National Library's collection of member lists seems to only go back that far, as does the AEC website for the election dates. Ambi 07:14, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Any books you could point me in the direction of would be appreciated - I have access to both my uni's libraries and the National Library, so hopefully I should be able to find them over here. Thanks for the election dates - that'll make things easier. Ambi 07:20, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Cricket
Hi, Drew. I have seen you editing articles and categories relating to cricket. I wonder if you would be interested in joining this wikiproject, designed to enhance Wikipedia's cricket coverage. Cheers, Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 19:26, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Land grants in the Swan River Colony
Drew, Great work and really interesting. How could we link to it from inside the History of Western Australia article? It's a bit lost being only in the See also section in Swan River Colony' (as is Bussell family btw. )

It's prompted me to think that there should be an article on the Group Settlement Scheme covering the 1920's land grants scheme in WA.

Ian 13:12, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Electorate naming conventions
Seeing you've been adding articles on Western Australian electorates, this discussion about standardising electorate naming conventions might be of interest to you. I apologise for not mentioning it sooner - I completely forgot about WA. Ambi 10:26, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * What did you want me to do with the Piesse article? I'm a tad confused. Ambi 28 June 2005 15:30 (UTC)

 * Had any more thoughts about what to do with the WA Legislative Council regions? I've been going around formatting, fixing, completing and adding stuff to all the other lists - the WA and Tasmanian Legislative Councils are the only ones that haven't been done yet, because I'm still not sure of what to do about the region names. Ambi 03:53, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Fine by me. I'll be back in Canberra in a few days, so I should be able to pick up a copy too. Ambi 05:22, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I meant to ask - is there any reason you put the Legislative Council on top of the Assembly in your WA succession box? Ambi 06:52, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Category:Sportspeople of Western Australia
Drew, What do you think is the best way of categorising sportspeople? I'm mainly interested in cricketers, and so I'm wondering if they should be in Category:Sportspeople of Western Australia as well as Category:Western Australia cricketers]], or in one olnly and one category to be a subcategory of the other? - Ian ≡ talk 03:44, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Drew, I've referred your comment back to User_talk:Sam_Vimes - Ian ≡ talk 01:33, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Duyfken
Hi Drew. The Duyfken appears to have only navigated/explored the eastern coastline of Cape York Peninsula, so assignment to Category:Exploration of Western Australia might not be accurate. However, at present there doesn't seem to be an equivalent regional subcat of Exploration which fits; do you know of any? --cjllw | TALK  00:02, 2005 July 27 (UTC)

Tom Price, Western Australia
Thank you for correcting me on the Tom Price article. What I thought was accurate information turned out not to be, apologies for that. Courtkittie 03:28, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

RE: User talk:203.166.96.239
Your very welcome. No editor as excellent as you shall be slighted on my watch :)! (Sorry for the late response: for some reason, I didn't recieve a notice of your posting). Happy editting, --Cyberjunkie | Talk 07:58, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

You reverted some important facts from the Bob Carr article. Fuck you. Osamabeenlaughing 01:36, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Your user page in Category:History of Australia
Thanks Drew... I was mystified about it. Couldn't figure out what was causing it. Forgot I was linking to the History *category* not the article. I had just asked CyberJunkie for some help on it but you were quicker - ta! --Lisa 06:44, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * No fair! I wasn't around...  --Cyberjunkie | Talk 10:17, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

= Re Swan River anything =

Apologies Drew, it would seem the conversation that i started in S R C talk probably should have been held here. I think that one way around the gripe that I have - is perhaps someone might be willing to do a bibliography of 19th century wa history - that links to the heaps of un ref-ed articles? Something like a 'further reading on 19th century wa'. Then, Berryman, Gill and the lesser known but as important items about the early 19th c can see the light? What do you think?vcxlor 05:10, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Just a note, I am not Gill for a start. Nor am I currently Freo (but I was a very long ago Freo person). My historiographical roots come from a mix of UWA, Murdoch and some other complex background issues make me quite touchy about the lack of refs in the wa items.

Also re note in s w c- no need to apologise to me about anything! I was the one in the wrong. My problem is I have allegiances to pulling the very poor west coast tasmania, and southern central java areas in wiki up to some sort of personal mission, i am a bit scratchy on some of the more obscure aspects of wa history... Oh by the way are you aware of Horgan's Hungry Six Families of Adelaide Terrace (Hamersleys et al included of course) - I think we need to tackle that one!!!vcxlor 05:17, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Re the Six Hungry families - I have a neighbour with serious health problems because of the ancestors all being part of this mob, and their tendency to inter-marry a little too much! I mean we only have to see how small perth was (one of my favourite hobbyhorses, some other time not now) and how small the gene pool was in the 'ruling classes' as they thought of themselves - because of the isolation, and the low level of extra outsider input until the gold rushes and then post second world war immigrants, that I believe there are some very hard to track down sources (no direct easy secondary text unfortunately) or otherwise unusual sources ( I own a framed document in which the members of the royal wa historical society all signed in 1947 or so - the names are like dipping into horgan's hungry ones name list - which I may or may not be able to scan) to help us on this one. anyway, back to work we go!vcxlor 06:06, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Drew, I think the best way to go is to try to see if the scanned pages of the wise street directories for perth that are now on the liswa site - actually show adelaide terrace pre 1900? The problem with Horgan's parliamentary invective he may or may not have been accurate in being specific - i mean wittenooms, parrys, roes, cliftons, drake brockmans and so on might have been part of this same circle. it might have been specifically to the families that were in the mansions on adelaide tce at the time, its just a case of whether you/i or someone else can get the wise page for the right year. My specific conversations with de garis and others in the 1980's on this one suggest he might have been impassioned and be loose.vcxlor 14:39, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh boy, I realise I am getting old! Horgan's art which youve dones is excellent but we are not going to get wise directories from 1880's i dont think - I am sure it didnt start till 1890's.vcxlor 14:44, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

A O Neville
Just an aside on AO Neville - his son tried to offer money for a writer/researcher to rehabilitate his father's image a few years ago. I dont think anyone took it up.

Anna Haebich's book is one that needs to be ref for this too.

Also Neville was a hills dweller, commuting to perth and back on what kirwan ward used to call the mundaring meteor - the train up the mundaring loop. his son apparently only recently sold the family home in the hills. cheers vcxlor 10:19, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Pine
I maintain my view stated above: "This hinges on what definition of "taking office" we use. If the criterion was the issuing of Letters Patent, then Pine was indeed Governor - but in that case there will presumably other people who were appointed but did not take up their offices, because they died or changed their minds or whatever, and our lists would be full of ghost governors. I think the correct criterion should be taking the oath of office, and thus actually assuming the functions of the office. By that criterion Pine was not Governor." But I am not interested in another argument about this. Adam 05:22, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Willetton SHS (203.14.53.45) - vandalism
I can confirm your email to the principle of Willetton SHS did indeed get through, and has been passed on to the appropriate teacher. Thanks for bringing this to the attention of the school; hopefully they'll do something about it. Dstudent 11:41, 20 August 2005 (UTC) (Willetton SHS Student, Wikipedia User)

Swan River Colony and Parkhurst
Drew, well done on your introduction to the Parkhurst issue, it looks and reads well - and look at the names you have - surely they are the core of horgan's hungry ones? yes?

As to the swan river colony i think you would need to check stathams book on stirling as to what "claim" was made on the landmass - as to whether it was specifically for the adjacent lands, or whether it was for a "location". From my very skewed and biased (historiography via brian de garis et al) point of view, I would not attempt the 'construct' of separate colonies or sub colonies, I suspect that outlying settlements were considered 'outposts' of the same colony. The best way to go i think.

I have not been well, and extraoridnarily erratic with my wiki work, and realise I really shoudlnt enter talk pages on any subject, i tend to be very unwiki in my style and demeanor. So please accept a further apology from my initial interaction the other week! vcxlor 08:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

=More on Willetton SHS= Regarding cheese-cube: Good point regaring good faith. I'd heard rumors that he had been a vandal before, something backed up by his talk page; but I probably did over-react.

Thank you for bringing me back to earth! :) Dstudent 04:18, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

BTW. I tried to bring my comment down to the first level of nesting (chapter vs. sub chapter). I hope that's OK. Feel free to change it if you wish.

More on Willetton SHS and cheese-cube
I have removed the comment: I did not realise I had not signed it. As I said before, will be more careful in the future: I did not realise what I said could be seen as a personal attack. Dstudent 09:00, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Dealt with
I've deleted his userpage for attempting to intimidate you by posting personal details, and given him a final warning. If he keeps being a pain, drop me a line - blocking him indefinitely shouldn't be a problem unless he's been making good edits too. Ambi 11:55, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I've left the pages intact this time, because it was just general ranting, but I've blocked both accounts indefinitely for making only disruptive edits. Ambi 13:08, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry I wasn't around to help. (Although I doubt I would've been able to do anything directly - as I'm not an admin). I believe you are correct in your assumption that this is one user editing through multiple sock puppets. His behaviour is particularly offensive. No Wikipedian should be subject to such appalling intimidation. This is not disimilar to the whole neo-Nazi saga (from WikiEN-l), accept in this case it was far more personal, and on-site. I hope this fellow desists (and I think he will, given the triviality of his purpose here). --Cyberjunkie | Talk 14:15, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up!
Good to know you're around. I've been concentrating on WP:Cricket lately, so haven't really paid much attention to what's been happening over here... -- Ian ≡ talk 00:12, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Your new name
Yuk. Adam 00:15, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

There is a long latin name for the condition of nose picking and eating, it was only coined in the last 4 years or so. It was nowhere near yours at all. I have had too much paranoia from net usage over the last decade and more to ever put my name up in open forums. Good move! Thanks for your condolences. I have been dragged into my nemesis - sacred sites of java - it might take me away from our friends of adelaide terrace of 110 years ago for a while, but nevertheless will try to fit some other old wa things when i can.vcxlor 13:40, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * The word is "rhinotillexomania". (Although strictly, this refers only to the picking bit, not the eating bit). Cheers JackofOz 01:22, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Six Hungry Families
Drew, see User talk:Vcxlor. -- Ian ≡ talk 15:05, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Governors
Drew, Have you seen http://www.rulers.org/ ? 'cause you seem to have done a fair bit on colonial Governors in the past. -- Ian ≡ talk 09:41, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Page move
Done (I think). Ambi 06:53, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Jarrah
Ok, I feel that I'm being followed, after I had found all the jarrah references changes! I do not agree with lower case usage in article text, but maybe you have some room there! Wow, you sure cover a lot of ground!vcxlor 13:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC) Hey, no big deal! Just realising we have common interests, good to see you have the thing in hand -keep up the good work. Not offended, I feel more perplexed by the variation in style on huges numbers of disambig pages more than anything else at the moment. Best Wishes vcxlor 04:15, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Perth Mint Swindle
Drew, something a bit different. Grateful if you could cast your eyes over this please. Thanks. -- Ian ≡ talk 15:57, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * excuse multiple edits on this page, I don't know what happened -- Ian ≡ talk 16:01, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hancock is in the pipeline -- Ian ≡ talk 01:03, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Edmund Henderson
Thanks. Yes, that is the beauty of Wikipedia. Good Wikipedians sharing their knowledge and research to produce a first-rate reference work. Long may it continue. Cheers. -- Necrothesp 10:17, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

John Forrest NP
Hi Drew, Vcxlor here. with this sort of vandalism, best just to revert and ignore the numbered person, Yes. No.?Best wishes vcxlor 13:04, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the info about this, and doing it. Keep up the good work.vcxlor 02:26, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Thredbo Landslide
Hi. You voted at the Australian Collaboration of the Fortnight for 1997 Thredbo landslide which has become the current collaboration. Please help to improve it in any way you can. --Scott Davis Talk 12:22, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

West Australian
This article is a mess. more lack of npov and innacs than i have found for a while! Bartlett is _noT- a west writer, he is Sunday Times! The Paul Murray link goes to the wrong Paul Murray, and so on. This art needs major re-work. I don't know if I'll have time, but... Anyway, keep up the good work! vcxlor 01:33, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Floral
Just noticed you're going floral tonight! Good stuff, amazing what some will do to entries though, am only just getting a handle on some of the sneakier vandalism around. Best Wishesvcxlor 11:59, 1 October 2005 (UTC) And the follow-up, maybe no-one notices the small bits of cleaning up that you're doing - but it's excellent work - it sure makes a lot of contribs pale in comparison! (mine specially)keep it upvcxlor Yeah, getting caught up in vandal/revert wars on Bali and the bombing issue sure took time away from more productive positive work over the last week or so. Excellent work on the acacias. You need a medal! vcxlor 02:05, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

The West/Vandalism etc
I've got to chuck bali and bali bombing from my watchlist before I lose it! also, throwing in chidlow the way I did I even attracted the interest of ambi again! first met over the franklin tas art etc

I am very dissatisfied with the quality of some west oz arts, the west australian one I reckon needs a complete re-write (as I have said to you earlier sometime) in your life amongst the bio's did you ever pickup much on the early 'inquirer/ west' paper at all?

vcxlor 02:18, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

account box
Haha. I'd got the idea off your page a few minutes before! -- Ian ≡ talk 03:18, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Moondyne Source
Fremantle Prison, Moondyne Joe source. Thankyou so much for the Mondyne Joe article, now pinned on the guideroom wall at Freo Prison, Outstanding find. Pete, Tour guide femantleprison.com.au ghostieguide

Cyberjunkie
Great idea nominating CJ- I was planning on doing it myself. There is something wrong with the number of contribs you've listed- 620 contribs with 2600... since you've got the details you should probably chase it up. Thanks.--nixie 01:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC) Just a hear hear from myself as well on this nomination. He sure dives into places needing work without flinching. i was battling vandalism in bali while he was building and guarding the bombing art and I was impressed. vcxlor 15:02, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

The Drowner
Drew Ive asked [IanBrown] to suggest on this book that was attached to CY O'Connor Gnangarra 07:57, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * good job cleaning up that vandalism todayGnangarra 07:58, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Hi Drew. Just wanted to thank you most profusely for nominating and supporting me for Adminship. I hope I'm able to live up to the confidence placed in me. Oh, and just let me know when your ready and I'll nominate you in a heartbeat. --Cyberjunkie | Talk 03:38, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Sheoak
I think the Sheoak page would be best merged into the family page Casuarinaceae - any thoughts? - MPF 01:13, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks; "is it therefore true to say that sheoak is the common name for members of the family Casuarinaceae? I wasn't absolutely certain that it does, so I took the safe option" - more or less, yes; I'd guess truer to say 'one of the common names', but that needn't exclude its being placed on the family page (particularly as the same could probably be said for other common names like bulloak, too). Long past my bedtime, so I'll not do it now, if you want to tackle it - MPF 01:31, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Raco-frigging-sperma
I had no idea that ' Racosperma ' had been ratified by the IBC--so it does that mean that wikipedia will have to reflect taxonomic reality.( Sigh) I am prepared to initiate appropiate page. Will dig up relevant Austrobaileya journal. Would appreciate any ideas. Was struck by the heat of your rant on copyright! (ouch) Eric A. Warbuton 03:49, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

I regret to inform you that a full list of over 960 species has been published here changing from Acacia to Racosperma eg. Racosperma melanoxylon(R.Br)Pedley etc. etc. So its a fait accomplis. It was published here:

Pedley,L. (2003) A synopsis of Racosperma C.Mart Austrobaileya 6(3): 445-496.

I have no interest in demanding that wikipedia make suitable changes-perhaps in wikispecies? What do think? Am satified if the Racosperma page exists-but will leave it up you. Eric A. Warbuton 04:48, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Banksia
Hi, great work on the Bansia and related articles. The Commons has lots of pics of identified species, and I probably have more that I haven't uploaded. I was thinking that the two lists Taxonomic arrangement of Banksia and List of Banksia species might be better as one to avoid the duplication of information. What genus are you going to write up next- Hakea could do with some work and is predominately a WA genus.

Also, thanks for the info on hidden fields in tables, I haven't had a chance to play around with it yet.--nixie 02:20, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

JFNP & Perth
G.day. Good to see you're steadily at it. I used your name in vain on the perth, western australia item when an expat perth person kept editing my music entry, and we came up with a perth to do 'cultural history' which I have started suggesting possible ways to do so - and I immediately thought of all your bios - and the 'upper or ruling class of culture in the 1890's' here in Perth. who knows?

Oh and I never replied to your comment on what you know of the'west', cripes your answer shows you're well beyond the usual punter in your resources on that one. I've left 'the west' issue alone for a while. Oh well I better get out of your way at this point.vcxlor 07:00, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

4000 edits +use of your name
Congratulations, and well done and on difficult tedious things as well!

Sorry, I tend to be obtuse even to myself, what I had meant was I had stated in wanting to get a handle on what constituted 'culture' of the governing class in the 1890's - I had noticed you had done so many bios of the folks of the time, I had written something like 'where are you snottygoble' or words to the effect. That's what I had meant. sigh. I hope I make sense.vcxlor 07:53, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

short wave radio station names in wa
Thanks for your messages Drew, you're too polite! I can see adminship looming in your future! Yeah, well the aging brain, and false memories. It could have been something like VLW6. from that to vcx? bit like whispers, etc. If we get this into the wiki history article context - the lack of peer review or independent test/checking leaves me shuddering at times, and a good argument for academics to refuse work from students who use unverified web based info!vcxlor 00:05, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

music
my two bobs worth on talk:perth cultural history. i think my grand idea for the overall cultural history network of entries is far too ambitious. anyway I think it'll start something.vcxlor 02:46, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

wa maps
Hi thanks for the comments on my user page about the Regions of Western Australia maps. Its encouraged me to keep going with them :) Astrokey44 04:46, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

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Flint Hills National Wildlife Refuge

Flint Hills National Wildlife Refuge (NWR) is a wildlife refuge located north and east of the city of Hartford, Kansas, United States, in northwestern Coffey and southeastern Lyon Counties. It was established in 1966 as part of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, John Redmond Reservoir flood control project. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service manages 18,463 acres (75 km2) upstream of the reservoir, most of which is in the floodplain of the Neosho River. Refuge habitats, consisting of prairie grasslands, bottomland hardwood timber, shallow wetlands, and croplands, are managed to provide food and habitat for migratory birds and resident wildlife.

The Refuge is an important resting area for waterfowl migrating through Kansas. Thousands of mallards, blue-winged teal, Canada geese, and snow geese can be seen on the Refuge during their spring and fall migrations. The Refuge also provides valuable habitat for shorebirds, bald eagles, wild turkey, bobwhite quail, bobcats, white-tailed deer, and many species of warblers. The Refuge has been designated as an Important Bird Area and serves as a wintering area for bald eagles and dozens of red-tailed hawks, northern harriers, and rough-legged hawks.

Recreational opportunities

 * Boating
 * Educational Programs
 * Fishing
 * Hiking
 * Hunting
 * Museum/Visitor Center
 * Wildlife Viewing

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Sweet crude oil

Sweet crude oil is a type of petroleum. The New York Mercantile Exchange designates petroleum with less than 0.5% sulfur as sweet.

Petroleum containing higher levels of sulfur is called sour crude oil. Sweet crude oil contains small amounts of hydrogen sulfide and carbon dioxide. High-quality, low-sulfur crude oil is commonly used for processing into gasoline and is in high demand, particularly in industrialized nations. Light sweet crude oil is the most sought-after version of crude oil as it contains a disproportionately large fraction that is directly processed (fractionation) into gasoline (naphtha), kerosene, and high-quality diesel (gas oil).

The term sweet originates from the fact that a low level of sulfur provides the oil with a relatively sweet taste and pleasant smell, compared to sulfurous oil. Nineteenth-century prospectors would taste and smell small quantities of oil to determine its quality.

Producers
Producers of sweet crude oil include:

 * Asia/Pacific:
 * The Far East/Oceania:
 * Australia
 * Brunei
 * China
 * India
 * Indonesia
 * Malaysia
 * New Zealand
 * Vietnam
 * The Middle East
 * Iran
 * Iraq
 * Saudi Arabia
 * United Arab Emirates
 * North America:
 * Canada
 * United States
 * Europe:
 * Russia
 * Azerbaijan
 * The North Sea area:
 * Norway
 * United Kingdom (Brent Crude)
 * England
 * Scotland
 * Africa:
 * North Africa:
 * Algeria
 * Libya
 * Western Africa
 * Nigeria
 * Ghana
 * Central Africa
 * Angola
 * Democratic Republic of the Congo
 * Republic of the Congo
 * South Sudan
 * South America:
 * The Guianas:
 * Suriname, Guyana Basin
 * Andean Region
 * Colombia
 * Peru
 * Southern Cone
 * Argentina
 * Brazil

Pricing
The term "price of oil", as used in the U.S. media, generally means the cost per barrel (42 U.S. gallons) of West Texas Intermediate Crude, to be delivered to Cushing, Oklahoma during the upcoming month. This information is available from NYMEX or the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

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Mayor of the Sunset Strip

Mayor of the Sunset Strip is a 2003 documentary film on the life of Rodney Bingenheimer directed by George Hickenlooper, and produced by Chris Carter.

Background
In 2011, Craig Hlavaty of the Houston Press named Mayor of the Sunset Strip at number eight on the paper's list of "The 31 Best Music Documentaries of All Time". The film won the Best Documentary Feature at the 2004 Santa Barbara International Film Festival.

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D'Arcy Niland

D'Arcy Francis Niland (20 October 1917 – 29 March 1967) was an Australian farm labourer, novelist and short story writer. In 1955 he wrote The Shiralee, which gained international recognition in its depictions of the experiences of a swagman and his four-year-old daughter. It was made into a 1957 film, starring Peter Finch, and a 1987 TV mini-series, starring Bryan Brown. Niland married fellow writer Ruth Park (1917–2010) on 11 May 1942 and the couple had five children: Anne (born ca. June 1943), Rory, Patrick and twin daughters, Kilmeny (1950–2009) and Deborah (1950–present). Niland died on 29 March 1967 of a myocardial infarction, aged 49.

Early life
D'Arcy Niland was born Darcy Francis Niland on 20 October 1917 in the rural town of Glen Innes, New South Wales. His father Francis Augustus Niland was a cooper and wool classer, and his mother was Barbara Lucy, née Egan. He was the eldest of six children in the Irish-Catholic family. Niland was named by his father after the boxer, Les Darcy (1895–1917), he changed the form of his first name to D'Arcy as an adult. He attended the Sisters of St Joseph of the Sacred Heart school in Glen Innes.

Niland left school at 14 and two years later he briefly worked in Sydney as a copy boy for The Sun newspaper, hoping to become a reporter. His poem "Old Folks' Christmas", was printed in December 1934 and was followed by "My Country" in March 1935 in The Sydney Morning Herald. In December 1935 he wrote an article, "Lore and Legends of the Christmas Tree", for the same newspaper. The Great Depression ended this avenue of employment, however, and for some years he travelled the country, finding work in a wide variety of occupations including as a farm labourer, opal miner, circus hand, potato digger, and shearing shed roustabout. In the late 1930s he returned to Sydney where he worked as a railway porter. During World War II, Niland was rejected for military service due to a heart condition – he worked as a shearer under the Manpower Directorate.

On 11 May 1942 Niland married New Zealand-born journalist and fellow author, Rosina Ruth Park. Eventually the couple had five children: Anne (born ca. June 1943), Rory, Patrick and twin daughters, Kilmeny (1950–2009) and Deborah (1950-present). After their wedding, Niland and Park travelled through the Australian outback – he worked as a shearer and she worked as a cook – before settling in Surry Hills in 1943, then a tough working-class suburb of Sydney.

Career
Together they earned a living writing full-time and garnering critical praise for their works. By January 1944 both Niland and Park had each written radio scripts for Australian Broadcasting Commission's serial, Children's Session, and collaborated on a Christmas play, The Disappointed Dumpling.

Between 1949 and 1952, Niland won many prizes for his short stories and novels and, three years later, achieved international fame with the novel The Shiralee. This was followed by Call Me When the Cross Turns Over (1957) and four more novels. He also wrote radio and television plays, and hundreds of short stories, some of which were collected and published in four volumes from 1961 to 1966.

Of all Niland's books, The Shiralee remains his most renowned. It portrays the wanderings and experiences of an Australian swagman named Macauley and his daughter. It was published in 1955 and made into a 1957 film, starring Peter Finch, and a 1987 TV mini-series, starring Bryan Brown. Niland also compiled a collection of Australian folk songs, releasing them under the title Travelling songs of old Australia (1966).

Posthumous work and personal life
Park edited the pick of her husband's short stories after his death and they were published by Penguin Books in 1987. She also completed his research into the life of Les Darcy, releasing it in the form of a biography, Home Before Dark (1995), that was written with her son-in-law Rafe Champion. The Darcy biography is drawn from Niland's immense archive of books, photographs, clippings, letters, unpublished memoirs and taped interviews about the ill-fated boxer, supplemented by subsequent research. (A hero to many Irish Australians, Darcy had died of an infection in America at the height of his sporting powers, only a few months before Niland's birth in 1917.)

Picking up where Niland left off, the Park-completed biography is a carefully compiled chronicle of Darcy's short life as seen through the eyes of his contemporaries. It also throws light on the Australian national mood during the years of World War I.

Park's autobiographies A Fence around the Cuckoo and Fishing in the Styx include details of her life with Niland and their five children. Their twin daughters, Kilmeny and Deborah, both forged successful careers as book illustrators.

Death
Niland was burdened with a chronic heart condition (it had prevented him from serving with the Australian armed forces during World War II), and he died at the age of 49.

Park died in Sydney in 2010, aged 93. Her obituary appeared in The Sydney Morning Herald newspaper on 17 December of that year.

Novels

 * The Shiralee (1955)
 * Call Me When the Cross Turns Over (1957)
 * The Big Smoke (1959)
 * Gold in the Streets (1959)
 * The Apprentices (1965)
 * Dead Men Running (1969)

Radio Plays

 * A Place Where You Whisper (1951)
 * One Man's Kingdom (1957) with Ruth Park

Short story collections

 * Dadda Jumped Over Two Elephants (1961)
 * ''The Ballad of the Fat Bushranger : and Other Stories (1961)
 * Logan's Girl : and Other Stories (1961)
 * Pairs and Loners (1966)
 * The Penguin Best Stories of D'Arcy Niland (1987)

Nonfiction

 * The Drums Go Bang (1956), collaborative autobiography with Ruth Park

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Abiel Foster

Abiel Foster (August 8, 1735 – February 6, 1806) was an American clergyman and politician from Canterbury, Province of New Hampshire. He represented New Hampshire in the Continental Congress and the U.S. Congress.

Biography
Foster was born in Andover, Massachusetts, in 1735, the son of Captain Asa Foster of Colonel Ebenezer Colonial Regiment and Elizabeth Abbot. A relative of Jedediah Foster, a judge, American Revolutionary and Harvard Law graduate (1744), the first member of the Foster family in America to receive a "liberal education". Abiel Foster was inspired to follow in the footsteps of Jedediah and entered Harvard College, receiving a bachelor's degree in 1756. After studying in theology, he was ordained as a pastor in Canterbury, January 26, 1761, he married Hanna Badger in that year. He served as pastor in Canterbury until 1779. At that time Abiel Foster retired to private life but would not be long before he returned to public service. During his 18 years as Minister of Canterbury he built trust with the people and he was appointed to the General Court. During his life, Abiel Foster held "various offices of trust and honour with reputation to himself and usefulness to the community.

Abiel Foster served in Congress under first President of the United States George Washington and 2nd President John Adams, while working with the Founding Fathers of the United States, to help build a functioning federal government.

While a member of the Continental Congress, Abiel Foster left an impression on a young Daniel Webster, after a meeting one summer afternoon. Webster's father, Ebenezer Webster told his son that he could have had Abiel Foster's place in the Congress if he had more votes. Ebenezer extolled the virtues of an education to his son, explaining that it was an education that made the difference between him and Foster. He said that "It is education that has made Foster what he is and the lack of it has made your father what he is".

Abiel Foster's first wife Hanna died in 1768. His second wife, Mary Wise Rogers, was the granddaughter John Rogers (Harvard); they had eight children. Martha, who married Jeremiah Clough, Mary who married Henry Gerrish, Abiel Jr. who married Susanna Moore, Elizabeth who married Enoch Gerrish and Nancy who married John Greenough.

Career
In 1775, Foster was Deputy to the Provincial Congress at Exeter. From 1783 to 1785, Foster was a delegate for New Hampshire to the Continental Congress. Between 1784 and 1788, he was a Judge of the Court of Common Pleas in Rockingham County N.H. On March 3, 1789, he became a member of the First United States Congress, under the first Constitution of the United States of America, as a Representative from New Hampshire until March 3, 1791. He returned to the New Hampshire Senate in 1791, serving there until 1794 when he was elected again to the U.S. House of Representatives. He served there from March 3, 1795, to March 3, 1803.

On July 14, 1798, Foster voted in favor of the Alien and Sedition Acts.

Death
Foster died in Canterbury on February 6, 1806. He is interred at the Center Cemetery, Canterbury, New Hampshire.

Memorial
March 22, 1942, the California Shipbuilding Company launches its 16th Liberty type, 10,500-ton freighter, S.S. Abiel Foster. The day before, the S.S. Benjamin Franklin, launched November 16, 1941, completed its test run. The S.S. Abiel Foster took part as a troop supply ship during World War II and contributed to the Invasion of Normandy.

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Talk:Lunar distance

removed
I removed a See also link: Nevil Maskelyne. He worked on Lunar distance (navigation) which is an angle, not the distance to the Moon. Bubba73 (talk), 04:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

History
I saw a tv show where it said that the Moon was during the dinosaur era much closer to Earth, making the days shorter. I can´t find nothing of this. I don's peak english very well.--Comu_nacho (spanish speaker) (talk) 18:48, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

What is the point of this article?
Everything in this article is covered by other articles on the Moon, two of which (Orbit of the Moon, Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment) are even linked from this article. treesmill (talk) 20:06, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

 * Near-Earth asteroids use this term all the time to clarify close approaches to the Earth. -- Kheider (talk) 20:10, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

 * Which part of that is not covered by the other articles? treesmill (talk) 13:47, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Distance between centres?
Does "the distance from the Earth to the moon" mean the distance between their centres?

The article states that the Moon is spiraling away from the Earth at an average rate of 3.8 cm per year. With this level of achievable accuracy, why is the Lunar Distance specified to the nearest kilometer and not, say, to the nearest meter?

 * (1) Yes, between the centers. (2) I'm not sure.  It may be that it is easier to measure the rate at which it is receeding than measuring the absolute distance that accurately.  Bubba73 (talk), 01:28, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Because of the eccentricity of the Moon's orbit around the Earth, the distance is varying all the time. A quick calculation suggests that the distance varies at an average of about 35 m/s (slower near perigee and apogee, faster in between). On top of that, the distance to the Moon at perigee and apogee varies considerably, so quoting the distance more accurately would be spurious. treesmill (talk) 20:17, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

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Best known value
It is stated by the lunar laser ranging experiment that the mean lunar distance can be measured to sub-millimeter precision. Can anybody find a reference to a sub-mm 384402XXX.XXXX +/- 0.000Y (+3.8cm/yr) value? Hadron137 (talk) 19:21, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Sub-mm is wrong. I changed it. LunaJim (talk) 17:24, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Images of moon at least and greatest distance from the earth seem wrong
The least and greatest distances of the moon from the earth are roughly in the ratio of 7:8. The images of the moon at least and greatest distance, in the article, seem to be more like 4:5. The ratio of the apparent diameters should equal the ratio of lest to greatest distances. So the images shown seem to be in error. ClarkoEye (talk) 00:55, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

 * I think the image is correct. Simply comparing the ratio of perigee to apogee gives a value of $$\frac{356500km}{406700km}=0.876$$. The image of the larger moon is about 394 pixels diameter, and the smaller image is 346 pixels. $$\frac{346 px}{394 px}=0.878$$, which is in good agreement with the expected value.

 * Using the ratio parigee/apogee is valid since the moon is far away compared to its size, but for a more accurate analysis, the apparent size should be used instead of the distance. The apparent size is calculated as $$2*\arcsin \left ( \frac{radius}{distance} \right )$$. Using the radius of the moon as 1737 km, this gives a value of 0.5586° at perigee and 0.4896° at apogee.  This ratio is consistent with expectations, $$\frac{0.4896}{0.5586}=0.876$$, and agrees nicely with the image. Hadron137 (talk) 22:15, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

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Lunar communications delay -- suggested sub-section
A number of vehicles have been sent to the moon, with some orbiting as satellites today. The most dramatic lunar orbits have been the manned missions between 1968 and 1972. All communications experience(d) predictable radio delays which align(ed) with established distances. The delay is not extraordinary but the communication distance is still notable, and the manned missions are so far the only times that people have measured the moon distance when holding both ends of the metaphorical tape measure. I was expecting that there would be a mention here about radio / light distance and timing; when I find this elsewhere I might add this sub-section. --GeeBee60 (talk) 12:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, feel free to add property cited content. You will find information about radio & light timing at lunar laser ranging experiment. Hadron137 (talk) 05:40, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Receding
Can you explain this? Or too technical?

Article says;
 * The current rate of recession is 3.830±0.008 cm per year. … a rate of 3.8 cm/year would imply that the Moon is only 1.5 billion years old. … the rate of recession may continue to accelerate.

I get 10 billion from;
 * Distance now (3.84E+08 metre),
 * recedes per year (3.83E-02 metre) =>
 * Years (1.00E+10).

I presume the rate started (much) higher, and has diminished to 3.8 cm/yr.

Why would it accelerate?

What “should” the rate be if it started 4.5 billion years ago?

A table with days in a year, and distance to moon (since year 0), would be nice. Like this Day.

MBG02 (talk) 06:42, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * possible answer at %CE%94T_(timekeeping);
 * … the day was 21.9 hours long and there were 13.1 synodic months/year and 400±7 solar days/year. The average recession rate of the Moon between 620 million years ago and now has been 2.17 cm/year… the present high rate may be due to near resonance between natural ocean frequencies and tidal frequencies.
 * MBG02 (talk) 09:18, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Frostly (talk) 02:30, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

– Appears to be the primary topic of "Lunar distance". As seen from and compared on two Wikinav pages, the one for astronomy has far more traffic than the one for navigation. A hatnote should be put on the page after the move. What do we think here? Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 22:25, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Lunar distance (astronomy) → Lunar distance
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 * That's not the case. If moved according to the original proposal, the dab page would simply be deleted. If there's a primary topic and only one other article, a dab page is not needed. Station1 (talk) 17:58, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

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Brooklyn Law School

Brooklyn Law School (BLS) is a private law school in New York City. Founded in 1901, it has approximately 1,100 students. Brooklyn Law School's faculty includes 60 full-time faculty, 15 emeriti faculty, and adjunct faculty.

History
The origins of Brooklyn Law School can be traced back to the Pratt Institute in Clinton Hill, Brooklyn, when, in the 1890s, the school established its Department of Commerce. Because of its overwhelming popularity, the Department of Commerce broke off from the main Institute and formed its own school under the guidance of Norman P. Heffley, personal secretary to Charles Pratt. The Heffley School of Commerce originally shared facilities with Pratt.

In 1901, William Payson Richardson and Norman P. Heffley reorganized the Heffley School to become Brooklyn Law School, the first law school on Long Island. Using space provided by Heffley's business school, the law school opened on September 30, 1901, with five faculty members (including Richardson as dean and Heffley as president), and two special lecturers.

The year began with five students and ended with 28. In late 1901, the Board of Regents of the State of New York granted a charter to the law school. The law school became fully accredited by the American Bar Association in 1937, and became a member of the Association of American Law Schools in 1973. The law school's curriculum is registered with and approved by the New York State Education Department.

From its opening, Brooklyn Law School opened its door to minorities, women, and immigrants, and it offered night classes for those with full-time jobs. Dean Richardson also allowed students who had difficulty paying tuition to remain enrolled on credit. The school moved twice between 1901 and 1928, when it finally moved into the first building designed and built specifically for it at 375 Pearl Street in downtown Brooklyn.

The school was affiliated with St. Lawrence University from 1903 to 1943. World War II struck Brooklyn Law School especially hard, and by 1943 enrollment was down to 174 students. St. Lawrence University, which until then operated Brooklyn Law School and conferred its degrees, decided to shut down the school. Alumni organized and negotiated the repurchase of the school's assets, ensuring that Brooklyn Law School would operate as an independent institution.

In 1969, the repurchased school moved to its current location at 250 Joralemon Street, selling its old Pearl Street location to Brooklyn Friends School, who still occupies the building.

Admissions
For 2022, Brooklyn Law School accepted 46.22% of applicants with 21.56% of those accepted enrolling. For those enrolling full time, the average LSAT score was 160 and the average undergraduate GPA was 3.54.

Offerings
Brooklyn Law School offers students over 190 courses and seminars in the law.

Centers

Each Brooklyn Law School center focuses on a specific area of the law and hosts lectures, symposia, forums, and round-table discussions that address emerging issues.
 * Center for Urban Business Entrepreneurship (CUBE): Explores legal issues surrounding entrepreneurship, and provides effective legal representation and support for new commercial and not-for-profit businesses, while also training business-oriented law students to advise and participate in these sectors.
 * Center for the Study of Business Law and Regulation: Unites the law school's existing diverse business and commercial law programs by providing a forum for scholarship that offers new perspectives on and solutions to real world business law and regulatory issues.
 * Dennis J. Block Center for the Study of International Business Law: Established by the law school to study and shape international business law and policy.
 * Center for Law Language and Cognition: Explores how developments in the cognitive sciences – including psychology, neuroscience and linguistics – have implications for the law at both theoretical and practical levels.
 * Center for Health, Science and Public Policy: Offers students substantive knowledge and practical skills related to health and science law.

Clinics
In 2009, Brooklyn Law School clinical program was ranked 28th in the nation. In 2010, The National Jurist ranked BLS fourth in the country for its public service work, largely influenced by its clinical program. The clinics specialize in the areas of bankruptcy, securities arbitration, immigration, entrepreneurship, technology, criminal law, real estate practice, intellectual property, and mediation. Students represent individual clients, groups, and businesses and appear in state, federal, and administrative courts, on both the trial and appellate levels. Brooklyn Law School created a new mandate in 2014 that requires students to complete at least one clinic or externship course before graduation. Among the law school's clinics include:
 * The Advocates for Adults With Intellectual and Developmental Disability (AAIDD) Clinic represents low-income New Yorkers and their families in a variety of civil matters that impact adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities, and provides the opportunity for students to advocate in diverse areas of law ranging from public benefits, guardianship, housing and access to government services.
 * The Brooklyn Law Incubator and Policy Clinic, (BLIP), functions like a law firm that represents Internet, new media, communications, and other tech entrepreneurs and innovators on both business and policy advocacy. Students work with clients on transactional, litigation, policy, and other advocacy projects and interact and strategize with members of the entrepreneurial, technology and financial communities, as well as with legislators, regulators and other policymakers.
 * Capital Defender and Federal Habeas Clinic affords students the opportunity to represent death row inmates (post-conviction) in other states and defendants in New York who have filed federal habeas corpus petitions. The work consists of filing petitions in the U.S. Supreme Court.
 * Community Development Clinic provides opportunities for students to represent community development corporations, cultural institutions, affordable housing providers, and small businesses that serve under-represented communities.

LL.M. degree program
Brooklyn Law School offers an LL.M. program for foreign-trained lawyers. The program facilitates specialized study in three subject areas: business law, intellectual property law, and refugee and immigration law.

Joint degree programs
Brooklyn Law School offers five joint degree programs:
 * J.D./Master of Business Administration: Brooklyn Law School and Baruch College jointly sponsor a program leading to the degrees of Juris Doctor (J.D.) and a Master of Business Administration (M.B.A.) in Business Administration and Policy.
 * J.D./Master in City and Regional Planning: Brooklyn Law School and Pratt Institute jointly sponsor a program leading to the degrees of Juris Doctor (J.D.) and Master of Science (M.S.) in City and Regional Planning.
 * J.D./Master in Urban Planning: Brooklyn Law School and Hunter College's Graduate Program in the Department of Urban Planning (Urban Affairs and Planning) jointly sponsor a program leading to the degrees of Juris Doctor (J.D.) and Master of Urban Planning (M.U.P.).
 * J.D./Master in Library and Information Science: Brooklyn Law School and the Graduate School of Information and Library Science of Pratt Institute jointly sponsor a program leading to the degrees of Juris Doctor (J.D.) and Master of Science in Library and Information Science (M.S.L.I.S.).
 * LL.M./Master in Library and Information Science: Brooklyn Law School and Pratt Institute jointly sponsor a dual degree program for those who have already earned a J.D. The program leads to a M.S.L.I.S. and LL.M. in Information Law and Society.

Public service programs
Brooklyn Law School's Public Service Office provides individual counseling and information on summer and academic year externships, steering students toward pro bono opportunities, and helping students apply for postgraduate fellowships as well as employment opportunities.

Rankings

 * The 2021 edition of U.S. News & World Report ranked Brooklyn Law School as the 83rd among the law schools ranked in the United States.
 * The 2023 edition of U.S. News & World Report ranked Brooklyn Law School tied for 111th among the 196 law schools ranked in the United States.
 * The 2024 edition of U.S. News & World Report ranked Brooklyn Law School tied for 114th among the 196 law schools ranked in the United States.

Bar passage rate and career prospects
In 2017, 78.6% of the law school's first-time test takers passed the bar exam, placing the law school as the 8th-highest among New York's 15 law schools. Of 369 graduates in 2016, nine months after graduation 323 were employed. Alumni live in 49 states and over 25 countries after graduation. The law school was ranked 46th of all law schools nationwide by the National Law Journal in terms of sending the highest percentage of 2018 graduates to the largest 100 law firms in the US (9%).

In 2013, 94% of the law school's first-time test takers passed the New York bar exam, third-best among New York's 15 law schools.

In 2012, five Brooklyn Law School graduates filed a class action lawsuit, which was dismissed the following year, alleging consumer fraud and common law fraud. As part of a series of identical lawsuits against law schools nationwide, the complaint alleged that the law school administration incorrectly reported employment and salary information for the purpose of enticing students to attend the law school. Prior to the lawsuit, Brooklyn Law School had claimed that 95% or more of graduates found employment within 9 months of graduation, without always distinguishing between full-time, part-time, and non-JD-required employment (which breakdown ABA/NALP rules did not require at the time of the statistics at issue in the suit, but which breakdown has been required since 2012). In April 2013, NY State Supreme Court Justice David Schmidt dismissed the lawsuit, finding that the school's disclaimers on its employment and salary data warned graduates that their own post-grad earnings may not measure up to the data.

Of the law school's 368 graduates in 2017, nine months after graduation all were employed other than 26 who were seeking employment, and 4 who were not seeking employment (the employment status of 4 was unknown); 269 had secured jobs practicing law, and 40 had taken a J.D. advantage position. Brooklyn Law School's Law School Transparency under-employment score was 16.2%, indicating the percentage of the Class of 2017 unemployed, pursuing an additional degree, or working in a non-professional, short-term, or part-time job nine months after graduation.

The law school was ranked # 46 of all law schools nationwide by the National Law Journal in terms of sending the highest percentage of 2018 graduates to the largest 100 law firms in the US (9%).

Location and facilities
Brooklyn Law School's academic and administrative buildings and main student residence is located in Downtown Brooklyn, near many federal and state courts and corporate and public interest law offices. Brooklyn Law School's main academic building at 250 Joralemon Street houses classrooms, faculty offices, student journals, a conference center, dining hall, and a four-story law library with 586,000 volumes. The office building nearby at 111 Livingston Street houses many of the law school's clinics, legal writing center, and administrative offices.

Brooklyn Law School guarantees housing in its residences to all entering students. The largest residence is Feil Hall, a 22-story building at 205 State Street that opened in 2005. Designed by noted architect Robert A. M. Stern, Dean of the Yale School of Architecture, it accommodates about 360 students in 239 furnished apartments of varying sizes, and includes a conference center and café.

Faculty
Brooklyn Law School's faculty includes 60 full-time professors, 15 emeriti faculty, and a number of adjunct faculty. The law school draws on a large body of practitioners, public officials, and judges as adjunct faculty to teach specialized courses in many areas of law, including international sales law, securities law, real estate development, trial advocacy, business crimes, corporate litigation, sports law, and border and homeland security law. In addition, in any given semester, visiting professors come from all over the world to teach at the school.

The law school is home to several well-known scholars, including torts professor Aaron Twerski, and Elizabeth Schneider, an expert on gender, law, and civil procedure. Both were highly ranked in Brian Leiter's survey of "Most Cited Law Professors by Specialty."

Other notable professors include Roberta Karmel, a former Commissioner of the Securities and Exchange Commission and columnist for the New York Law Journal, and Susan Herman, president of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). In recent years, the law school has hired a number of new junior faculty members whose work draws on a variety of influences to contribute scholarship in areas as diverse as copyfraud, law and religion, international business law, land use planning, and the secondary mortgage market.

Journals
The law school publishes four student-edited law journals: the Brooklyn Law Review, Brooklyn Journal of International Law, the Journal of Law and Policy, and the Brooklyn Journal of Corporate, Financial, and Commercial Law.

Moot court
The law school has both trial and appellate advocacy moot court divisions. Each year, it enters approximately 30 teams in national moot court competitions. These competitions span all areas of the law, including family law, criminal procedure, white-collar crime, and international law.

In 2011, Brooklyn Law School took home top international, national, and regional titles. Its teams won first place in the Irving R. Kaufman Memorial Moot Court Competition, and were first place Champions in the Domenick L. Gabrielli National Family Law Competition. They were also Semi-Finalists in the New York Region of the New York City Bar National Moot Court Competition, Semi-Finalists in the Phillip C. Jessup International Law Moot Court Competition (students won Third Best Brief and Sixth Best Oralist), Semi-Finalists in the National Environmental Law Moot Court Competition (students won Best Oralists in the Preliminary Rounds), Semi-Finalists in the Evan A. Evans Constitutional Law Moot Court Competition, Semi-Finalists for the Navy JAG Corps Moot Court Competition, and Semi-Finalists in the Duberstein Bankruptcy Moot Court Competition. In 2019, the school won the regional round of the prestigious Texas Young Lawyers Association National Trial Competition, advancing to the National Round, the second time in two years.

Jerome Prince Evidence Competition
Each year, Brooklyn Law School hosts the Jerome Prince Memorial Evidence Competition, a national moot court competition. Named in honor of the late Brooklyn Law School Dean and renowned evidence scholar, the competition draws over 30 law school teams from across the country. Many students from the Moot Court Honor Society are involved in the coordination of the Prince Competition, and a few students have an opportunity to work with faculty members to research and write the problem – an issue at the forefront of evidentiary law – that is used in the Competition.

Student organizations
Brooklyn Law School has over 40 student-led organizations, which reflect the diversity of the student body.

Deans

 * William P. Richardson (1901–45)
 * William B. Carswell (1945–53)
 * Jerome Prince (1953–71)
 * Raymond Lisle (1971–77)
 * I. Leo Glasser (1977–81)
 * David G. Trager (1983–93)
 * Joan G. Wexler (1994–2010)
 * Michael Gerber (interim dean; 2010–12)
 * Nicholas Allard (2012–18)
 * Maryellen Fullerton (interim dean; 2018–19)
 * Michael T. Cahill (2019–2023)
 * David D. Meyer (2023–present)

Notable alumni
Brooklyn Law School alumni include New York City Mayor David Dinkins, US Senator Norm Coleman, judges Frank Altimari (US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit) and Edward R. Korman (US District Court for the Eastern District of New York), attorneys Stephen Dannhauser (Chairman, Weil, Gotshal & Manges), Myron Trepper (co-Chairman, Willkie Farr & Gallagher), Allen Grubman (entertainment lawyer), and Bruce Cutler (criminal defense lawyer), CEOs Barry Salzberg (Deloitte) and Marty Bandier (Sony/ATV Music Publishing), and billionaire real estate developers Leon Charney and Larry Silverstein.

Costs
The total cost of attendance (indicating the cost of tuition, fees, and living expenses) at Brooklyn Law School for the 2022-23 academic year is $95,271. The estimated debt-financed cost of attendance for three years is $204,197.

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VFD Debate
96.1 KZEL

A non notable radio station from a city obscure to just about everyone but Northwesteners. Not relevant to Wikipedia. • →  Iñgólemo  ←•  03:03, 2004 Sep 29 (UTC)

 * Not a vote on the article, but Eugene is not an obscure city. V V 07:53, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Sure is, unless you live in Oregon. I'll trade you one Eugene for two Drumhellers. Denni ☯  02:01, 2004 Oct 2 (UTC)

 * Shouldn't this have another vote to establish consensus? Delete, it's not even formated. Cool Hand Luke  18:19, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I formatted the article slightly now. 66.245.78.149 20:13, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Still not a vote, but bad formatting is absolutely not a reason to delete. That can be fixed, the question is if it's notable enough for any article at all. V V  00:08, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I know, this was only a peripheral issue to it having no content that establishes note (hence "not even"). We should not suffer non-note establishing substubs to exist. I'll change vote if note established: it looks promising considering the Alice Cooper links to. Cool Hand Luke  05:31, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. I can think of many equally insignificant and even less notable articles that are kept. If someone really wants to write about this station, let them. Jongarrettuk 20:43, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * If someone wants to write more than one line about it, I'd cetyainly let them. Cool Hand Luke  05:31, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Not being properly formatted is not a reason for deletion. Eugene is the second largest city in the state of Oregon. It is the county seat of Lane County. Please stop this stupid listing of anything you havn't heard of for deletion. Intrigue 21:45, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, assuming it's a real radio station. Media outlets, even small ones, are fair game for Wikipedia articles.  CJCurrie 21:56, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment: having just quickly looked at www.96kzel.com, it is clear that it's real. Jongarrettuk 22:12, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. —Morven 22:36, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Agree with CJCurrie.  Any FCC-licensed radio or TV station in the U.S., or the equivalent in other countries, is notable.  The only close question would come with regard to pirate stations. JamesMLane 03:29, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, possibly move. It seems like most similar tv/radio station pages use the call letters as their title. What do you think? [[User:Rhymeless|Rhymeless | (Methyl Remiss)]] 04:37, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Good idea, there are other 96.1's. JamesMLane 04:51, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * But there are probably other KZELs. V V 06:26, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * As I understand, station callsigns don't repeat, or am I mistaken? Unless you're suggesting some sort of hypothetical 4-letter acronym? [[User:Rhymeless|Rhymeless | (Methyl Remiss)]] 06:42, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, but at KZEL. -- Jmabel 02:55, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, but move to KZEL. To answer Rhymeless, FCC assigned callsigns don't repeat - at least in the United States.  If there ever was another KZEL appearing on WP, we can always make a disambiguation page.  Thanks to CJCurrie for acknowledging small markets - I'm in one, and I get tired of the Los Angeles stations thinking they are the only radio stations around Southern California.  There's a whole new world north of the San Gabriel Mountains - and they don't even have a clue, except for a select few stations.  --avnative 20:10, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, expand, and do not move to KZEL. The station's legal callsign is KZEL-FM, not KZEL. See the station's page in the FCC database. Callsigns do repeat, but only with a different suffix.   –radiojon 06:41, 2004 Oct 11 (UTC)

The Naming conventions (common names) policy might help here. Stations are often referred to as (e.g.) 96.1 KZEL, more than KZEL-FM. Very Verily 07:03, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Nit

NiT, NIT, or Nits may refer to:

Education

 * Namgyal Institute of Tibetology, Sikkim, India
 * Narula Institute of Technology, West Bengal, India
 * National Institutes of Technology, India
 * Naval Institute of Technology, Biliran, Philippines
 * Nippon Institute of Technology, Japan
 * Northern Institute of Technology Management, Germany
 * Babol Noshirvani University of Technology, Iran

Science and technology

 * Nit, the egg case of a head louse
 * Nit (unit), of luminance
 * Nat (unit) or nit, natural unit of information
 * Network Investigative Technique, computer malware used by the FBI

Other uses

 * Nature, Intentions, Time, Special Instructions (NITS), a form of emergency communication
 * National Invitation Tournament, for U.S. men's college basketball
 * Nagpur Improvement Trust, India
 * Nits (band), a Dutch musical group
 * National Indigenous Times, indigenous Australian affairs newspaper
 * Negative income tax
 * Neith or Nit, ancient Egyptian goddess
 * Norfolk International Terminals, facility of the Virginia Port Authority, US
 * Notice inviting tenders, Indian equivalent of invitation to tender
 * NIT, a former state TV channel in Moldova; see Media of Transnistria
 * Former State of East Indonesia (Negera Indonesia Timur)

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Kirwin National Wildlife Refuge

Kirwin National Wildlife Refuge is a National Wildlife Refuge of the United States located in Kansas. It was established in 1954 for the conservation and management of wildlife resources, particularly migratory birds. The Kirwin Dam was built in the early 1950s near Kirwin, Kansas, and the reservoir created in the process provides water to the refuge.

Ecology
The refuge is located along the North Fork of the Solomon River in the region where tallgrass prairie meets shortgrass prairie on the Great Plains. This merging of grassland types brings a diversity of flora and fauna to the area. Other habitat types include wetlands and cropland. More than 300 species of birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and fish inhabit the refuge.

Four federally listed and two state-listed threatened and endangered species of birds can be observed. Twenty-eight other birds of conservation concern use the refuge during their annual migrations, and nine nest there. In ideal conditions, up to a million ducks and geese aggregate there. Large numbers of shorebirds migrate through the refuge in late summer. Hundreds of great blue herons and double-crested cormorants nest in the flooded timber, and interior least terns nest when the water is lower. Populations of greater prairie chickens and black-tailed prairie dogs occur on the refuge.

Recreation
Recreational activities include car tours, wildlife observation, boating, fishing, hiking, hunting, and educational programs. There is a visitor center and a museum.

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User:Nmadness

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ALWAYS SOMEWHERE sounds a lot like SIMPLE MAN
Isn't ALWAYS SOMEWHERE a sort of cover or mock-up of the southern rock song SIMPLE MAN? 80.67.176.85 (talk) 21:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

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Cooloola

Cooloola may refer to:

 * Animals
 * Cooloola (insect), a genus of the insect family Cooloolidae
 * Cooloola monster (Cooloola propator), a species of the genus
 * Cooloola sedge frog (Litoria cooloolensis)

 * Places
 * Cooloola Great Walk, 102 km coastal bushwalking route
 * Cooloola, Queensland, a locality in the Gympie Region, Queensland, Australia
 * Shire of Cooloola, Queensland, Australia (now part of Gympie Region)

 * Other
 * Cooloola Christian College, Gympie, Queensland
 * Tillandsia 'Cooloola', a plant cultivar

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