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Talk:Kurdish language

First attested text in kurdish?
I see some discussions about early kurdish texts but i never see the earlist text itself and date of it. Was is it kurmanji? I couldn't find a date for proto kurdish in academical papers in that matter. It is also missing in wiki page "List of languages by first written accounts". Can someone fill this gap without any nationalist non-sense? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.251.63.42 (talk) 10:05, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

I found info in cambridge history of kurds page 613. It says first proper kurdish text is 4 short lines in christian missionary prayer.ISBN 978-1-108-47335-4 I hope an editor would enter this important info in the article.i am copying from the book:

The first proper ‘text’ in Kurdish is a short four-line Christian missionary prayer, written in Armenian characters and found inside a larger manuscript in Armenian from the fifteenth century (held at the Collection of Matanadaran in Yerevan, no. 7117, fol. 144b –see Asatrian, 2009: 15). Th

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.38.157.239 (talk) 18:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

History tab History tab begins with highly controversal sources. Stating first attested kurdish texts is from 9 to 13th centuries. First attested kurdish text is from 14th century. It is four short lines from a prayer. First attested text iand its date is very important for all languages. History section needs to start with this info and controversal topics should follow it as an additional info if wont be removed at all. Please also refer to talk page.
 * What I think should be changed:
 * Why it should be changed:
 * References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

p613: The first proper ‘text’ in Kurdish is a short four-line Christian missionary prayer, written in Armenian characters and found inside a larger manuscript in Armenian from the fifteenth century (held at the Collection of Matanadaran in Yerevan, no. 7117, fol. 144b –see Asatrian, 2009: 15). 109.38.157.239 (talk) 19:14, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. This is clearly controversial. Should be resolved by talk page discussion. I'll note that the other source is also form a reputable publisher. Without context as to what each source is reporting, I'm not able to figure out whether this is a legitimate conflict between sources or if the two sources are reporting different things RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  02:23, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

 * First reference is to a so called Ibn-Waḥšīya book. If you check article of Ibn-Waḥšīya in wikipedia you can find that this book is falsified in later influence section. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Wahshiyya
 * Second reference is to Yazidi Black Book whose authenticity is also questioned and mentioned in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidi_Black_Book
 * First actual attested Kurdish that we can rely on is stated in Cambridge History of Kurds. 84.29.122.234 (talk) 08:52, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Lightoil (talk) 12:18, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see any objections to the change request. Isn't consensus already achieved? 109.36.128.125 (talk) 11:29, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. @84.29.122.234, do not reopen this edit request as you did here without providing proper citations and gaining consensus for the changes you wish to make. Xan747 (talk) 00:50, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

 * There is consensus on this change. What else do you expect? There is no objections at all. 2001:1C03:5800:8600:8DFF:C60D:7B71:CF7C (talk) 11:56, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Map wars
Although a couple of you made edits leading up to the war regarding the deletion of a map before it became a war, I'm pinging all of you here just in case:, , , , see WP:Edit warring. Largoplazo (talk) 10:53, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

 * Yeah thanks. Well I explained my rationale in my edit summary before it became a war and have now added the original map. I hope this helps a bit. The coloring could be upgraded a bit, though but I do not know how this is done. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 14:32, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't see this as something of great caution. Almost all edits had distinct reasons, and there was no deadlock due to disagreement. Semsûrî restored the original version of the map, which my main concern addressed. So, it was solved. There may be other aspects of the map that may be discussed, though. Ayıntaplı (talk) 15:52, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , What are the problems of the map that you think solved by revert to on older version? Serchia (talk) 18:22, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You really can't see the issue here? Changing the map without a reliable reference is OR. Semsûrî (talk) 18:31, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If the current map (which is referenced) has issues, the map shouldn't be used either. Semsûrî (talk) 18:32, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 October 2022
The Kurdish language map was updated recently and for some reason the colors were changed. We need to manually update the colors on the map legend on every page that contains the map 195.169.52.91 (talk) 13:19, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: A cursory glance at the map shows that it's functional, so a determination on the specific colors to use would be a consensus issue. Furthermore, edit requests require you state what needs to change specifically. In other words, you'd have to present all of the necessary template parameters to change the colors to the desired version. I would simply advise you bring up this topic on all of the appropriate article talk pages instead of using edit requests. — Sirdog (talk) 05:01, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 December 2022
Hello, I suggest this edit: In the section of where this language is official please remove that is official only in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq, when is official in ALL Iraq. 186.3.232.209 (talk) 20:54, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also, the infobox already says that the language is official in Iraq. What is the text that you want to change? – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:23, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

why persian dialect has a language page on wikipedia
What does a dialect that has not been the mother tongue of any state throughout history, is not found in written sources, and has no speakers before the 20th century, on Wikipedia? Royroy23 (talk) 13:51, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

The correct thing is to write the parts on this page in the Persian dialects section. Royroy23 (talk) 13:53, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

 * What dialect are you talking about? Surely you aren't talking about Kurdish, which, according to the very first sentence of the History section, was written over 1000 years ago. And why do you think a language has to have been the "mother tongue of any state" (see Yiddish or Hmong language) or has to be written (see Bagvalal language or Gweno language) or has to have been spoken before the 20th century (see Lingala or Esperanto) for there to be an article about it? Largoplazo (talk) 15:40, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Just ignore the editor. They clearly have an anti-Kurdish POV per their edits on Wikipedia. Semsûrî (talk) 16:01, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 July 2023
Adding the important fact that many kurdish languages are not mutually intelligible, which was missing from the lead.

In the lead, replace:

Kurdish constitutes a dialect continuum

With:

Kurdish languages constitutes a dialect continuum many of which are not Mutually intelligible (citing this source: https://books.google.com.eg/books?id=JZ6JAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA27) 156.208.108.3 (talk) 18:16, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Cherrell410 (talk) 23:11, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 July 2023

 * What I think should be changed (format using textdiff):

First paragraph in the history tab should be deleted: During his stay in Damascus, historian Ibn Wahshiyya came across two books on agriculture written in Kurdish, one on the culture of the vine and the palm tree, and the other on water and the means of finding it out in unknown ground. He translated both from Kurdish into Arabic in the early 9th century AD.

Instead we need to add: The first proper ‘text’ in Kurdish is a short four-line Christian missionary prayer, written in Armenian characters and found inside a larger manuscript in Armenian from the fifteenth century (held at the Collection of Matanadaran in Yerevan, no. 7117, fol. 144b)

Beginning of second paragraph: Among the earliest Kurdish religious texts is the Yazidi Black Book, the sacred book of Yazidi faith.

Should be changed as: Possible earliest Kurdish religious texts is the Yazidi Black Book whose authenticity is questioned and believed to be a fusion of authentic Yazidi traditions and beliefs with Western forgeries.

 * Why it should be changed:

First paragraph is referring to a book "Ancient Alphabets and Hieroglyphic Characters Explained" by Ibn Wahshiyya. But it is falsely attributed to him as discussed in Later influence section in Ibn Wahshiyya. It is forgery or not a reliable source at best.

Yazidi Black book is also not a reliable source as discussed in the first paragraph of Yazidi Black Book.

I am simply trying to have consistency among referred wikipedia pages. We have already consensus on the content and sources on those pages. We also have a section in talk page on this topic. No objection is raised for nearly two years.

 * References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

I am adding source for the first proper text in Kurdish below. It is in page 613.

84.29.122.234 (talk) 09:42, 24 July 2023 (UTC) 84.29.122.234 (talk) 09:42, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Source cannot be checked, can you provide a link for that or just wait for the peer-review? -Lemonaka  21:08, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Verified the statement about the Christian prayer from an offline copy; adding it now. I'm not yet adding any content about the Yazidi Black Book as the citations in that article are from tertiary sources, which should be avoided in favor of secondary sources. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:38, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking the source. I am asking to remove parts referring to Ibn Wahshiyya and Yazidi Black Book. They have been discussed more in detail in their wiki pages and falsified. I can provide more reliable sources that never mentions about these two. You can check https://iranicaonline.org/articles/kurdish-language-i quickly and see in the very first paragraph that Kurdish texts goes no earlier than 16th century. Reliable academic books states Kurdish poems from 15th and 16th centuries are the first Kurdish texts in history. 84.29.122.234 (talk) 14:37, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Spintendo  05:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Souther kurdish is as important as other dialects
In the map showing the kurdish language, by the colors it’s written the type of kurdish languages but not souther kurdish, its just written kurmanji as pink, and sorani as red, while southern kurdish is brown but it didn’t say that under the map 2001:8F8:1B27:415B:D180:CAA4:544C:BB4F (talk) 09:35, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Kurdish speakers
Kurdish speaker are more than this couse many people are starting to learn the language plus some kurds now have rights to learn their language especialy northren kurdistan people just started to have more edaction about it couse back on the day kurdis was banned and also it was dangrous to many to speak it so please fix this Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 00:48, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You haven't said why you think the numbers shown don't include those people. You also haven't identified for us, if the numbers shown don't include those people, where we can find numbers that do include those people. Largoplazo (talk) 03:04, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh i mean this one is from 2020 and today is 2024 it make sense that there are more people learning kurdish plus more than 20 millions kurds live in turkey how native speakers is 25 when also in iraq kurds are 7 millions these two countries must have atleast 27 million speakers and kurds are native two those two countries plus iran and syria and there are some mistakes its not called kurdish languages but dialects and you forget some more like luri bakhtiyari hawrami laki and kalhuri there are more but i forget if i got more information i may tell more dialects couse oh boy we have too many dialects Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 10:48, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 15 January 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved Kurdish languages to Kurdish language. There is consensus to treat the Kurdish language the same way as other languages in a similar situation and use the singular. There is no consensus to move it to the basename "Kurdish" due to possible ambiguity with other articles mentioned at Kurdish. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 16:31, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

– The title of this article could be either "Kurdish Language," aligning with the naming convention of other Wikipedia articles discussing "macro" languages or languages forming a dialect continuum, such as "Norwegian Language" or "Chinese Language," which are in a similar situation to Kurdish. Alternatively, we may consider simplifying it to just "Kurdish," similar to the "Arabic" Wikipedia article, thereby sidestepping any contentious debates and maintaining a neutral stance. It seems unjustified for Kurdish to be the only article labeled with "Languages" when there is no consensus on whether it comprises multiple related languages or a single language with various dialects. Kurdian (talk) 00:36, 15 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:44, 22 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 04:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)  — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 11:25, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Kurdish languages → ?
 * Kurdish → Kurdish (disambiguation)
 * Oppose given that Kurdish (Kurmanci) and Kurdish (Sorani) are distinguished on multiple apps and softwares (not least Google translate) as well as in scholarship, keeping languages plural is helpful. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:34, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Besides which Kurmanci and Sorani are clearly more different than Danish and Norwegian for example, so leave it as plural. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:35, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your point. Norwegian (Bokmål and Nynorsk) and Chinese languages like Mandarin and Cantonese are often treated separately in software as well.
 * Regarding dialect differences, Sorani and Kurmanji are no more distinct than Mandarin and Cantonese, or various Arabic languages. Kurdian (talk) 01:25, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The main reason for this is that they are under the rule of separate states and use separate alphabets. Neribij (talk) 07:02, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Oppose since I don't believe "Chinese language" should be the page title either. It has a redirect so I'm not concerned about people finding the page. "Kurdish languages" is more accurate to the linguistic categorization through mutual intelligibility. "Kurdish" is too ambiguous (Kurdish people, etc.) to be a title. If there is a sociolinguistic component of Kurdish that is important to it being considered a single language, then would reconsider my position.too_muchcuriosity (talk) 19:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME (see below). too_muchcuriosity (talk) 07:34, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support "Kurdish language" per WP:COMMONNAME (see below). Oppose "Kurdish" per Aintabli's comment and insights on usage of the term. too_muchcuriosity (talk) 16:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd like to comment that there are currently discussions about merging the "Chinese language" page with others since it is inaccurate. too_muchcuriosity (talk) 19:05, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The problem is, there is no agreement among linguists on whether Kurdish is one language or multiple, and that's why the article's name being in the plural is a bit puzzling. I would argue that the majority of sources view it as a single language with multiple dialects.  Although there is ongoing debate on the topic, the term "Kurdish Language" is still more commonly used. Even official documents, such as the constitution of Iraq – the sole country where Kurdish holds official language status – treat it as a single language. Additionally, most Kurds typically call their language "Kurdish/kurdi". The view of Kurdish as a single entity is important to Kurds because of historical factors like foreign rule, geographic divisions, and restrictions imposed by external powers, leading to non-mutual intelligibility and the use of different scripts among Kurdish varieties. Kurdian (talk) 21:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * As a Kurd, I prefer to put "Kurdish language" because the language consists of several terms that are all related to each other and form a Language. Zamand Karim (talk) 14:22, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't say which one is right choice, but I see Kurdish as one language and I have never said "Kurdish languages". The title of this article in Kurdish Wikipedias: ku, ckb, diq and sdh (even in Arabic Wikipedia "اللغة الكردية" not "اللغات الكردية") is written singularly, not plural. I don't know if this is the same for native-English speakers. ⇒ Aram  Talk  18:24, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Some very good points. Changing to support due to WP:COMMONNAME. While the "dialects" are not mutually intelligible, and may be classified as different languages, if the common usage is "Kurdish language", it makes sense to change the title. And, yes, there is no "Arabic languages" page or "Scandinavian language" (Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish are all somewhat mutually intelligible) page, so titles aren't really driven by linguistic criteria anyway. That being said, I think the lede sentence must be: "The Kurdish language, or Kurdish languages, ..." (both should be highlighted in bold) to emphasize the mutual intelligibility criteria typically used to distinguish languages. too_muchcuriosity (talk) 07:31, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Kurdistan has been notified of this discussion. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:45, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Languages has been notified of this discussion. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:45, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support "Kurdish" per nom, no need splitting hairs here. Orchastrattor (talk) 16:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom especially in terms of ending future contentious debates. Semsûrî (talk) 17:48, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support "Kurdish" per nom, following the Arabic example, which actually consists of at least 6 major mutually unintelligible languages with different language codes. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 06:59, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Very strong oppose "Kurdish" (the choice that omits "language"). The example of Arabic does not apply here, because "Arabic" is not used for the people, culture, or anything that is not the language. It "only" designates the language. "Kurdish" is used for many concepts in addition to language. This choice contradicts Wikipedia's simplest guidelines. No comment on the other options. Aintabli (talk) 21:24, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Cantonese. Largoplazo (talk) 01:01, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Italian language, Turkish language, Persian language, Swedish language, Danish language, Azerbaijani language, and so on. Please see WP:NCDAB. Aintabli (talk) 03:47, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Why did you provide that list of article titles? I'm not sure what point you were trying to make. Surely you're aware that demonstrating that "X" exists doesn't demonstrate that "not X" doesn't exist. Fallacies 101. Largoplazo (talk) 12:06, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It was in the same format as your comment, which makes your response somewhat ironic. Surely, I did not state that "X exists and !X doesn't exist" anywhere. That link is not a policy. If your point was that titles omitting "language" can be used despite the term being used for many other concepts, I haven't checked if the title of Cantonese is currently policy-based, and if it was, it was so probably because of WP:COMMONNAME. Here, you can see that "Kurdish", unlike "Cantonese", is sharply different in the distribution of contexts it is used within. Aintabli (talk) 15:07, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom for Kurdish. Used unqualified it is clear enough that it describes the language(s). --عُثمان (talk) 19:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose a move to plain Kurdish. No opinion on language(s). Srnec (talk) 19:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Relisting comment: Relist, after adding a proposal to move Kurdish to Kurdish (disambiguation) per requirement that any other page that must be moved should be notified and included in the move request. Note this doesn't preclude this discussion finding a consensus to move Kurdish languages somewhere other than Kurdish, in which case the disambiguation page would not need to be moved. BilledMammal (talk) 11:25, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support I completely agree with what you've stated. Krqftan (talk) 07:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Support move to Kurdish. Oppose move to "Kurdish language". Despite it likely being the common name, it's a controversial one that can be avoided. FunLater (talk) 21:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Phonology, Grammar and Writing system sections are empty?
Why are these sections empty? Most language articles have a short summary of their language's phonology, grammar and writing system, but for some reason in the Kurdish Languages article it's completely empty? Silveratractic (talk) 21:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

 * They're not empty, they redirect to their own Wiki pages. There is a blue text under each title. Krqftan (talk) 07:55, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * There should be a summary of the phonlogy, grammar and writing system under each section. Although the redirects are useful, it's not meant to replace all the text in each respective sections. Silveratractic (talk) 20:05, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

More countries recognise kurdish language
You forget georgia sweden and thee maby more recognise it as a minority language Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 19:46, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Not that I can find. Are you able to provide any sources? Krqftan (talk) 07:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * https://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/090120241 is this one enough cause if not I will find another one Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 11:20, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Font?
This is not related to the language but, what is name of the font of Sorani letters? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kurdish_Language.svg

-Luke 70.162.148.16 (talk) 18:54, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure, but I think the font is "Nizar Nastaliq Kurdish", which is nastaliq. It is better to ask the png version uploader directly. ⇒ Aram  Talk  14:57, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 March 2024
add references:

Sheyholislami, Jaffer, Hassanpour, Amir, and Skutnabb-Kangas, Tove. 2012. The Kurdish Linguistic Landscape:

Vitality, Linguicide and Resistance. Special issue of International Journal of the Sociology of Language, 2917(2012). Jaffersh (talk) 00:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Its unclear where in the text you want these reference to be added. Jamedeus (talk) 00:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

The claim that Kurdish is not mutually intelligible?
I’m not here to disturb the page or add any, I’m just curious as to why the Kurdish dialects are considered not intelligible? From my understanding and experience, I understand a Kurmanji, Hewrami, Laki and Zazaki way more than Persian, which to me personally sounds like gibberish and not close to Kurdish at all (This was my experience with Shirazi and Gilan Persian)

Other than my rant above, I just want to know why this is included because it is still debated whether Kurdish dialects are dialects or languages (most people who argue the latter usually have an anti-kurdish POV based on experience) Volkish Kurden (talk) 23:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

 * If reliable sources say they're not mutually intelligible, Wikipedia should say they're not mutually intelligible. FunLater (talk) 19:45, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Kurdish is a single language
kurdish is not a language group where do you even get this idea like we always say its kurdish language not languages yes we sometimes have misunderstand each other or never know what the other person talk about but that happen in all languages even in english arabic spanish and other languages this happen to british and americans when speaking english they never understand what the other says or scotts and english people never understand eachother Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 08:45, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

 * Good point.
 * I changed it to say "Kurdish is a language or a group of languages". Some say that Kurdish is one language (like Encyclopædia Iranica and Encyclopædia Britannica). Others say they're multiple languages (see ). And also Northern, Central, and Southern Kurdish have different ISO language codes (https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/kur). I think it's important to mention that there is no agreement on if Kurdish is one language or more.
 * @Stephan rostie, could you please not revert my edits this time without consensus to do so? Because:
 * the title of the page was changed to language, singular, not long ago and there was consensus to do so.
 * stable versions of the page used to describe Kurdish as "a language or a group of languages".
 * many (if not most) reliable sources (including Encyclopædia Iranica) consider Kurdish to be a single language.
 * FunLater (talk) 20:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah but shouln`t wikipedia not be from some say and some not couse that is what i was told in kurdish papulation article however about this topic all kurds say kurdish language not languages and yes there are diffreneces as you said but please now that this diffrences make them dalects not languages never heard kurdish languages only in here so that is why i think we should go with the most reliable sources and the single language is more reliable Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 16:22, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As all teachers say kurdish language not languages and that is also important Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 16:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The rule on Wikipedia for this is here: WP:WEIGHT.
 * WP:WEIGHT says "The relative prominence of each viewpoint among Wikipedia editors or the general public is irrelevant and should not be considered." Only what reliable sources say matters. FunLater (talk) 16:49, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Buddy this is exactly what i said you just made it shorter well done anyway Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 18:54, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I know our converastion was a long tim ago but is the krg goverment also a reliable source couse it itself says that its kurdish language not languages Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 15:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 May 2024
The claim that Kurdish varieties constitutes a dialect continuum, many of which are not mutually intelligible is a bit misleading since the two main dialects of Kurdish, Sorani and Kurmanji, are often considered to be mutually intelligible, or at least partially mutually intelligible

Still, the level of mutual intelligibility among Kurdish dialects is a matter of dispute, so I think it's best to remain neutral here. Therefore, I would suggest making these changes or something similar.

Akam Nawzad (talk) 01:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

 * FunLater (talk) 09:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Colour-blind friendly maps
Would it be possible to use a colourblind-friendly map? 2A02:8108:48BF:E460:E97B:C826:A3D9:E433 (talk) 11:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:Kurdish language


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Medak

Medak is a town in Medak district of the Indian state of Telangana. It is a municipality and the headquarters of Medak mandal in Medak revenue division. And There is a river named srujan which is big in length.

Etymology and History
Medak was originally named Methukudurgam (మెతుకుదుర్గం / मॆतुकु दुर्गम्) or Methuku Seema (translated to grain in Telugu) due to the growth of rice here.

Geography
Medak is located at 18.03°N, 78.27°W. It has an average elevation of 442 meters (1450 feet).

Demographics
census of India, the town had a population of 44,255 with 9011 households. The total population constitute, 21,336 males and 22,919 females —a sex ratio of 1074 females per 1000 males. 4,815 children are in the age group of 0–6 years, of which 2,418 are boys and 2,397 are girls —a ratio of 991 per 1000. The average literacy rate stands at 78.56% with 30,984 literates, significantly higher than the state average of 66.46%.

Governance
Medak municipality was formed in the year 1953. It is spread over an area of 22.00 km2. Medak urban agglomeration consists of Medak municipality and the out growth of Ausulapalle village.

Economy
The largest employer in Medak is agriculture. After agriculture most people are employed in unorganised sector.

Tourism
Pocharam Wildlife Sanctuary is a forest and wildlife sanctuary named for the nearby Pocharam Lake. Medak Cathedral sees over the Diocese of Medak, the single largest diocese in Asia. Medak Fort is a popular tourist attraction. The fort was originally constructed by the Kakatiya kings and later developed by the Qutb Shahi kings. Ancient temple of Kuchadri Venkateshwara Swamy at Kuchanpally is a nearby Hindu worship centre.

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title: Medak


text:
Talk:Quebec French lexicon

Old discussion
How about these: "Paquet de Nerf" (nervous person), "calmer ses nerfs, calmer ses hormones" (To calm down) and "prendre les nerfs"? --Circeus 00:57, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I remember reading "petit paquet de nerfs" in a Léonard comics album a while ago. Don't know about the other ones, you would have to look in Robert (pas le petit). --Valmi[[User_talk:Valmi| ✒]] 02:55, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The article gave "courthouse" as main translation of FoF's "cour", but (1) it's not the most obvious translation and (2) I even think it's wrong. Now I'm not an infallible speaker of FoF - my idiolect is closer to FoB (french of Belgium), but I don't think FoF and FoB differ much here. So in FoB:

-english-     -french of belgium (and france ?)-

a courtyeard ~ une cour            (surely also in FoF) a courthouse ~ un palais de justice (at least in Belgium) the Court   ~ la Cour (de justice) (also in FoF)

etc....

Also, the article presents "logiciel" and "matériel" as specifically quebeckian uses, but they also have some presence in France(/Belgium). To what extent I don't know. --FvdP 19:47 26 Jun 2003 (UTC)

"logiciel" and "matériel" are the most common terms in France. --D.M*x

I have a comment about the France/Belgium/Québec/Timbuktu issue further below on this page. I think it's important, so if everyone could take a look it'd be great! Marci ben. CJ Withers 02:30, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Slang terms
Grouiller is certainly common usage in France, or at least has been for the past decade. 86.204.130.199 23:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh my! I just found the following (here) but I don't have the time to format it. Very sorry. Use them as you see fit. These brought back MANY chuckles!!! Discgolferpro 08:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

-Achaler: Déranger, énervé quelqu’un

-Avoir de la broue dans le toupette: Connaître une émotion forte/ ne plus avoir les pieds sur terre/ être effronté

-Avoir des fonds de bouteilles: Avoir des lunettes très épaisses

-Avoir des soleils: Avoir plein de petits cheveux qui sortent de votre tresse

-Avoir du front tout le tour de la tête: Avoir beaucoup de culot

-Avoir la touch: Être bon dans quelque chose

-Avoir le nez rouge: Être saoul

-Avoir les yeux dans la graisse de bine: Être fatigué/ être plus ou moins présent

-Avoir la guedille au nez: Avoir le nez qui coule

-Avoir un champ de fraises dans la face: Avoir beaucoup de boutons, faire de l’acné

-Bardasser: Bouger beaucoup, Être très occuppé

-Bédaine: Ventre

-Bébitte, bibitte: insectes

-Blaster: Insulter

-Blonde: Petite amie

-Faire le boss des bécosses: Se prendre pour le chef

-Botcher: Ne pas faire d'effort, bâcler

-Ça prend pas la tête à Papineau: Pas besoin d’être très intelligent

-Ça va mal à shop: Ça va très mal

-Ça va se passer la semaine des quatres jeudis: ça n’arrivera jamais

-Câler l’orignal: Vomir quand on est saoul / Faire le bruit de l’orignal afin de le chassez

-Cenne: Sous noir (1 centime)

-Charrue: Machine qui nettoie les rues après une tempête de neige/ Fille très peu habillée

-Chercher des bébittes: chercher les ennuis, chercher des petits défauts ou détails sans importance

-Chiquer de la guenille: Maugréer, chercher des petits défauts sans importance, contester inutilement

-Chose bine: Façon plus ou moins polie d’interpeller quelqu’un lorsqu’on ne sait pas son nom

-Chnoute: cochonnerie, chose de peu de valeur / expression signifiant oh merde

-Chum: Petit ami

-Cogner des clous: Dodeliner de la tête, mouvement de la tête d'une personne assis ou debout qui se reprend pour ne pas s'endormir.

-Cramper ben raide: Rire beaucoup (au point d'en avoir des crampes)

-Crazy carpette: Tapis de plastique servant à glisser sur une butte de neige

-Crosseur: Personne très malhonnête, par qui on se fait avoir

-Crotté: Personne sale/ personne méchante

-Croustade: Votre « crumbles » mais avec une couche de gruau sur le dessus

-De la scrap: Quelque chose de mauvaise qualité

-Décrissé: Brisé, abimé

-Décrisser: Briser quelque chose, l’abimer/ partir, s'en aller

-Déflagosser : Ce dit d’une partie du corps qui fait souffrir au point de ne pas fonctionner correctement…

-Dyguidine : Dépêches-toi

-Écoeurant: Très bon, ou très mauvais

-Écœurer : Énerver, qui donne envie de vomir

-Épluchette de blé d’inde: Activité de groupe dans laquelle on mange des épis de maïs

-Enfirouaper : Se faire avoir

-Entourlouper: Se faire avoir

-Être sur le BS: Personne qui se fait vivre par le gouvernement, très paresseuse, souvent sans classe ni ambition. (Le BES plutot pour "Bien Être Social)

-Être dans le jus: Être débordé, manquer de temps

-Être dans les patates: Se tromper

-Être en famille: Être enceinte (utilisé dans les années 1920 surtout)

-Être fru : Être en colère, frustrer

-Être pacter: Être saoul / avoir assez manger

-Être parti rien que sur une gosse: Être parti très vite

-Être scrappé: Être fatigué

-Être une agasse-pissette: Faire son aguicheuse

-Être une bibitte à sucre: Aimer beaucoup les sucreries

-Être une mouche à marde: Être très collant, qui ne vous lâche pas une seconde, personne très persistante

-Faire du lèche-vitrine, Magasiner: faire des achats aux magasins, simplement regarder dans les magasins au travers de la vitrine

-Faire dur: Avoir l’air fou

-Faire le tit Joe connaissant: Celui qui sait tout, tout le temps, à en devenir fatiguant

-Fermer sa trappe/ gueule: Se taire

-Flanc mou : Grande personne mince à la démarche relâchée

-Fou comme de la marde: Être énervé/ très heureux

-Fou comme un balai: Être énervé / très heureux

-Frette: Plus froid que froid

-Guenille: torchon, vieux morceau de linge ou tissu

-Gossant: énervant

-Gosser: Fabriquer quelque chose (gosser dans un bout de bois) / énerver, fatiguer quelqu'un

-Gougounes: Tongs, sandales en plastique

-Gratteux: Billet de loterie/ quelqu’un avare

-Guidoune: Quelqu’un ressemblant à une prostituée, aguicheuse

-Il fait noir comme dans le cul d’un ours: Il fait très noir

-J’men calisse : j’en ai rien à faire

-Lâcher un wack: Crier après quelqu’un afin qu’il vous voit/ donner de ses nouvelles à quelqu’un

-Kesse sa mange en hiver? Qu’est-ce que c’est ?

-Manger un char de marde: Se faire engeuler

-Matante: Tante

-Maudit chien sale: Personne malhonnête, être une mauvaise personne, être méchant

-Mettre le brake à bras: Arrêter la voiture avec le frein manuel.

-Minoune: Vielle voiture

-Mononcle: Oncle

-Oink: Chose que l’on dit lorsque l’on prend quelque chose rapidement et de manière plus ou moins subtile

-Oreille de Christ: Mets de cabane à sucre, constitué de lards frits ou action de mettre un doigt mouillé dans l’oreille d’une autre personne

-Péter de la broue: Se vanter

-Péter plus haut que le trou: Se vanter

-Péter une coche ( solide): Faire une crise de colère

-Péter une fiouse: Faire une crise

-Piasse: Dollars

-Pissou: Être peureux

-pitoneuse: Calculatrice/ télécommande

-Prendre 1 bleuet pour faire une tarte: Exagération des gens du Saguenay pour parler de la grosseur de leurs bleuets

-Queneulles: Yeux

-Rack-à-jos: Soutien-gorge

-Regarder sa bette: Regarder son visage mignon

-Regarder son nombril: Être égoïste

-S’embarrer: Barrer la porte pour être pris en dedans ou en dehors d’une pièce

-S’évacher: Adopter une position confortable tout en monopolisant trop d’espace …

-S’exciter le poil des jambes: S’énerver, s’exciter facilement

-S’habiller comme la chienne à Jacques: S’habiller vraiment très mal

-Sacrer son camp: Partir

-Scrapper: Briser quelque chose

-Se faire crisser une volée: Se faire battre

-Se faire enfirouaper: Se faire arnaquer

-Se faire fourrer: Se faire avoir

-Se faire passer un sapin: Se faire avoir

-Sentir le swing: Sentir mauvais, sentir la transpiration

-Être bien shapeer: être bien former, bâti, avoir un beau corps, bien membré

-Shooter de la marde: Engeuler quelqu’un très fortement / dire des menteries

-Slaque: Lousse

-sloche/Slush: Mélange de neige et d’eau sur le sol, Névasse / Boisson à base de glace pilée et de saveur fruité liquide, barbotine

-Sortir du placard: Avouer son homosexualité

-Suit d'hiver: Habit de neige

-Swing la bacaisse dans le fond de la boîte à bois: Utiliser lors de danse traditionnel, danser

-Ta face me reviens pas: Ne pas se souvenir de quelqu'un / se méfier de quelqu'un

-Tapette: Homosexuel/ petite claque/ objet qui sert à tuer les mouches

-Taponner: Tripoter, jouer avec quelque chose

-Téteux: Lèche –cul

-Té un ti ki?: Qui est-tu? / C’est quoi ton nom?

-Ti-coune / ti-casse: Surnom dégradant / personne idiote, pas très intelligent

-Tire-toi une buche: Assied-toi

-Tomber dans les pommes: Perdre connaissance ou conscience

-Tu té fait fourrer: S’être fait avoir

-Varger: Frapper fort, engeuler quelqu’un

-Vider son sac: Dire tout ce que l’on a à dire, se vider le coeur

-Zigoner: Tripoter, faire des essais sans arrêt

Credit goes to http://www.webou.com this guy Discgolferpro 08:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

True Québécois or just not covered in college French?
My (Québécoise) mother-in-law uses words I never learned in my (taught in US) French class, but I don't know if it's part of the dialect or just extreme colloquy common to all French:

 * s'en aller+infinitive all the time for "to leave and..."
 * se pouvoir for "to be possible". e.g., Ça s'peut tu!

It seems that both of these are legal french (as in Île-de-) but not so prevalent in their speech.

Sympleko 12:03, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Cool question!! Well, s'en aller is very common in French, regardless of the region or social situation. In Québec French, it's just more frequent that other possibilities such as saying "je pars" or "je sors". It's best translated as "I'm headed out". Note that it's often used like this: J'm'en vas. (NOT vais) Québec French in its informal levels regularizes some verbs: /va/ - je vas, tu vas, il va; /al/ - que j'alle, que tu alles, qu'il alle, que nous allions, que vous alliez, qu'ils allent plus all the forms of the imperfect.

 * As for Ça s'peut, in standard French and Metropolitan French it would be Il se peut (que...). In Quebec French ça often replaces the impersonal constructions with il in standard French (regardless of region). A good way to render the feeling of this as "I reckon" if you're striving to show difference à la Southern American English or some varieties of English in the UK. However, this use of ça in Quebec French in and of itself is not "hickish" or "hillbilly" in the least bit. CJ Withers 02:28, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

 * ça s'peut is also in common usage in france (as slang, obviously). 86.204.130.199 23:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Pgobeil 22:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Ça s'peut tu! is an expression meaning disbelief or astonishment. "Can you believe this!" would be a close translation.
 * Ça s'peut literally means "that may be" and is used 1> When starting a sentence to mean it might or I might, "Ça s'peut que je dois partir". → "I might have to leave" 2> As a response to someone else's question or statement to mean that's possible or maybe, "Jean says 'L'hiver va être longue.' and Georges replies 'Ça s'peut.'" → "Jean says 'It's gonna be a long winter.' George replies 'Could be.'" 3> 'Ça s'peut-tu?' can also be used as an expression of disgust like in American english "How could you?"

"pets de sœurs"
It's a traditional French-Canadian dessert made of pastry and brown sugar served normally during Christmas time. Not to be confused with Pets de nonne in France.
 * There are now short Wikipedia articles describing both desserts, and the differences between them. Anyone with WP:RS about them is welcome to improve the articles. Reify-tech (talk) 15:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Formality
That section doesn't quite belong there. Are there other who agree iot should be moved back to Quebec French?--Circeus 16:06, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree. I'm reworking the sociological aspects of the Quebec French main article and reorganizing some of the linguistic features sub-heading/future article. Check out my sandbox for brainstorming and current outlines. CJ Withers 03:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Statistics?
I read this line with interest: "Statistically, though, and rather counter-intuitively, the French use more anglicisms than the Quebecois."

I agree that it certainly is counter-intuitive! I can imagine that an analysis of official lexicons could yield such a result. But I find it hard to believe that spoken European French contains a higher frequency of anglicisms or a higher number of anglicisms. Or maybe it's how you define slang vs. language? I'm interested in spoken language, not what is printed in the dictionaries. I would count "le clutch" and "le wiper" and "le shock (shoque?)" as Quebec French words. I suppose if you don't count those (or any other "non-accepted" word), then the result makes sense.

Can someone give me a reference to any statistical studies? I find the whole question fascinating. Besides I'd love to have something to refer to when my European friends "go on the attack" ;-)

If there are no statistical studies then perhaps the phrase should be reworded to be: Rather counter-intuitively, the French use more anglicisms than the Quebecois."

If there are statistical studies, then a clarification of how the count was done would be of interest. Is it that the French have *more* English words or use English words *more often*?

Thanks! --MySamoanAttorney 09:34, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

The problem is that right now, in France, they "Officially" integrates English words in their dictionaries. Such an attitude from a government would be unacceptable here in Quebec (people would be unhappy). In Quebec it seems we prefer creating new words when there's no alternative. So if you look at the "official" dictionaries of each country (or province) and if you forget about the slang words of each other, I beleve Quebec could win in those statistics. For example even if most people in Quebec use words like "parking", theses words are not official and only the official term "stationnement" counts. I know that's not fair. But if we count those slang words, you'll be surprised how many Anglicisms are used in France. Might be the same number than Quebec. It's pretty the same.

Fred.

 * Actually it's not surprising for reasons of history and geography. For Europeans, English poses less of a "threat" to regional identity, and yet is useful and common as a secondary language for international communication. European Francophones often encounter German, Dutch (and Flemish), Spanish, and even Asian visitors who will use English as a matter of convenience. When one considers that Quebec is surrounded by English provinces/states, and for Quebecois, there has been a choice of only two languages, French or English (this is a sweeping generalization, I know), it is a different situation. Regional and political identity is very closely related to language use in Quebec. Also, because the French of France is romanticized as "the mother tongue," Quebec has been hesitant to acknowledge its own unique non-Anglicized French words and slang. It may still be difficult or impossible to find a published Québécquois French dictionary offline. Up until recently, many critics have dismissed all of Quebec French as a slang "full of Anglicisms," when bemoaning the decline of "proper" French. The reality is that many English words have been slipping into the vocabulary of France and the spoken language of Quebec has many unique words and phrases not derived from English at all.   Cuvtixo (talk) 16:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Québec/France/Communauté française de la Belgique/Timbuktu/ ainsi de suite
First off, I'm very glad that a separate article was created for Quebec French lexicon. For standardization reasons, I suggest it be named "Quebec French (vocabulary)". I'm also contributing, condensing, expanding other aspects of the Quebec French article such as the linguistic features and language sociology elements. Take a peek at some of my sandboxes if you're curious.

However, I have to get something out in the open here. What bothers me, and I truly mean bother, is that the current incarnation of this article, line after line, compares itself to France/Paris/Europe. Et quand le français québécois pour l'amour du français québécois? How about some Quebec French for its own sake? I strongly suggest, if not plead, that there be three columns (informal / standard / English) and an asterisk for what is stigmatized. For example:

 * gougounes / tongs; sandales (de sport) / flip-flops, thongs; sports sandals, Tivas (tm)
 * *robineux / itinérant, sans-abri / *bum; homeless person

There is no valid or logical reason to attribute all that is standard to France (Europe, Paris, whatever). If the goal of the article is to compare Quebec lexical items with those used in France, then that's what the article should be named. See American and British English differences. A standard Quebec French does exist although we're only beginning to document it. In 2005, renowned linguist Eva-Marie Villers just put out a book on the subject.

Neither Québécois/Canadian/French, I have nothing at stake here in terms of identity politics. I honestly would love to see some neutrality (NPOV) and some more dignity. If you like, you can attribute all this to the fact that I just found out that Fortier was DUBBED into Metropolitan French. YIKES! Clearly, it's a case of selling out. In English, we never had that done for Monty Python, any BBC production or anything Australian; most Americans certainly aren't that familiar with all those differences, especially those from AUS, no matter how great they may be. Plus our target audiences are larger. CJ Withers 03:10, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Orignal = Moose
Sorry, but the word "orignal" in French Québécois doesn't have any aboriginal origin, it comes from Basque "oregnac" (Nouveau Petit Robert, 1993). Many people though think that it has a North American Indian origin, and I think that the error comes from a mistranslation of the word "Moose", that does come from a Native tongue. I am pretty sure that this myth comes from a translation error that was comitted and wrongly diffused by the Canadian National Film Board in the 60's, in a documental film that I can remember where they where saying that "orignal" was a word that came from a Native tongue, and it's wrong. What happened is that the film was made in English first and translated after into French, and the translator, surely translated all the English sentence about the word "Moose" and its origin in English, without verifying before that the equivalent word in French "orignal" didn't have the same language origin. You should choose an other word here to replace this error. There is a lot of them: Tobagane, Picouille, Nigog, Carcajou, Ouache, Babiche, Nagane, Mascouabina, Plogueuil, etc. Bonne chance! You have done a good job... keep going on!

Lead By Example  talk  11:46, June 12 2006 (UTC)

Some are the same in France - perhaps regional differences?
Not sure if there are errors here, or perhaps there are regional differences in France that have found adoption in Quebec? I'm English, but have lived in Provence, near the Rhone for 5 years. My experiences:

1) Under section 3, Morphology

arachide	peanut	cacahuète

Arachide and cacahuète appear to be interchangeable in France eg peanut butter or peanut flavour. The former is certainly used when referring to peanuts in their shell, and the latter to loose wg salted peanuts, though not always exclusively. Depends on supermarket and brand.

In France navette is sometimes used for a ferryboat, and also for shuttle buses.

2) Under section 17, Other differences

Arrêt. Perhaps some confusion. This is the normal word in France for stop, bus stop etc. On stop signs only, is Stop used, as France, like the rest of Europe, has adopted the international standard on this road sign.

Bienvenue. Confusion again. As welcome in general, Bienvenue is used everywhere in France, and on every sign welcoming you to a town, or in guide books etc. Conversely, I've never heard de rien (lit. of nothing, it's nothing) used in France in this context, and is not listed as such in my Collins/Robert English/French dictionary. As a reply, "You're welcome" eg to a thank you, de rien is used, but not bienvenue.

Être plein. I've heard this used in terms of eating many times, at least in Provence. Plein generally means full, also used in petrol (gas) stations "Fill her up", both as a question from a gas pumper or a command to one.

3) I agree with FvdP. In France (FoF)

courtyard = cour courthouse = palais de justice (either the building itself, but occasionally meaning justice in a more general sense than just the physical building) court = Cour (meaning the actual legal body before which you appear and which judges you - this is always capitalised as a respect for the Court's authority).

I would like to point out that at the 'Preservation of form' paragraph, it is said that espérer still means waiting. I believe it doesn't, its meaning actually is 'hoping for'. I hope I am correct.

Simon, the happy Quebecois--70.83.160.27 07:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Culinary terms
It is appropriate, also, to include "chocolatine" as the Quebec French term for what Parisians call "pain au chocolat", observing usage in the Outaouais and Montreal. I have never heard the term "chocolatine" in France, though the French-language Wikipedia states that the term is used south of the Loire (a region I have never visited). French-language Wikipedia makes no statement on the usage of the term in Quebec.Sierravista uva 16:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Pgobeil 23:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC) "it is said that espérer still means waiting. I believe it doesn't, its meaning actually is 'hoping for'."

In Gaspésie, Cote-Nord and Acadie "espérer" is more like "expect" than "waiting".

atoca cranberry canneberge
I have never heard nor seen the word atoca. Whenever I pick up a can of the stuff at Provigo, or Maxi I only see canneberges on the label besides cranberries. Peter Horn 01:34, 29 January 2007 (UTC) Atoca is widely used, at least in Saguenay-Lac-Saint -Jean  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.49.115.57 (talk) 16:15, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

slacker 	slacken, loosen; slack off, take it easy; fire [employee] 	slack

slacker un gars does not mean firing him. if you slack someone you're laying him off. that's veyr important because it means he can get unemployment or is getting his job back in spring.

firing a guy is "crisse en dehors" (threw his ass out) and he doesn't get un cent

if he's slacked is cuz there's not enough work, or because you don't want to hurt the guy and deny him his unemployment benefits.

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Bonhomme Sept-Heures ain't an anglicism
Read French Wiki the  on it. And this, and this. The point is that the supposed English etymology of the word has been put in doubt, given the existence of equivalent characters with similar names in France and two expressions local to Quebec for "bone setter": 'ramancheux' and 'rebouteur', making the use of an anglicism highly unlikely.--Boffob 14:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right, I'm a Québécois and it's not an anglicism, it's a character invented to scare the kids if they don't get to bed before 7pm. "Le bonhomme sept-heure và te manger si tu ne vas pas te coucher avant 7 heures!" (Le bonhomme sept-heure will eat you if you don't get to bed before 7h!). — Jimmy Lavoietalk December 21st, 2007 @ 5:30pm (GMT-5)

This is probably a regional "folk etymology." Sept-Heures seems to be an obvious reference to bed-time, but why "Bonhomme?" The fact that "Bone-setter" also begins with 'B,' is a good enough explanation for the average Québécois. There is another regionalism for rebouteux (bone-setter): ramancheur. I will remove Bonhomme Sept-Heurs from the chart. There is a reference to the term in the English Bogeyman article, along with the equivalents in many other languages/cultures. Curiously, many begin with 'B.'  Cuvtixo (talk) 18:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Combine Sections
I would propose combining the different example sections that talk about Québec French / Metropoiltain French / Parisien French etc... as they repeat the same information over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. :-] --Mrboire (talk) 05:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Amazing
This could be the first Wikipedia article I've ever read without a single real reference. Congratulations! That's not easy to do. Just full of uncited original research. Moncrief (talk) 07:39, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Quebec vs Canadian French
First off, let me state my displeasure when seeing the numerous examples where Wikipedia and it's contributors are helping to spread the false notion that there is such an entity as Quebec French or that the dialect is exclusive to Quebec. Although it is a fact that there are more francophones in Quebec than any other part of Canada, CANADIAN French is spoken "a mari usque ad mare" with regional differences (even within Quebec itself), notably in the Maritimes (Acadie) just like there are differences between metropolitan and regional French in France.

Politics, as exacerbated by the infamous deGaule utterance; "Vive le Québec libre!", have no truck in Wikipedia and the title of this article, as well as all references to "Quebec French" everywhere on the Wikis should/must be changed to "Canadian French" or "CF" for short.

That said, the list you have here is anything but exhaustive and it doesn't show much, if any, references because there is scant academic data to refer to on the subject, one of the best online sources being le Dictionnaire Québecois although it also perpetuates the notion of Quebec French as a separate entity. Other sources, like this one, are either anecdotal, incomplete or largely inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.217.191.165 (talk) 13:41, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

 * If you're serious about this, make a formal Move proposal (Moving a page) and participate in the ensuing discussion. The best way to make a change in Wikipedia is not to complain about "you" editors, but to become one of "we" editors. Credibility and influence are acquired by making constructive contributions to articles; thank you for suggesting some possible reference sources. Personally, I don't have strong opinion on this at present; I've known some Anglophone and Francophone Canadians, and I enjoy the cultural insights that can be gotten from comparing language usages. Reify-tech (talk) 15:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Some indication of masculin or feminin would be appreciated
I am admittedly much more of Wikipedia user and supporter than an editor. I'm only really here because I am an anglophone in Quebec who is trying to learn the local lexicon in my spare time. Having said that, listing only the bare root word without indicating its grammatical gender undermines the overall usefulness of the article. I'm still not sure how to talk about my backyard, even though I'm pretty certain that the word we would use is "cour." Catnapster (talk) 00:49, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

"...since before the Conquest..."
Uh... 142.126.139.156 (talk) 04:24, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

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Stanley Dock Tobacco Warehouse

The Stanley Dock Tobacco Warehouse is a grade II listed building and is the world's largest brick warehouse, with a net floor area of 1.6 million square feet (148,644 square metres). It is adjacent to the Stanley Dock, in Liverpool, England. Standing 125 ft high, the building was, at the time of its construction in 1901, claimed to be the world's largest building in terms of area. The 14 storey building spans across 36 acre and its construction used 27 million bricks, 30,000 panes of glass and 8,000 tons of steel.

The overall design is by A. G. Lyster, the Dock Engineer, but Arthur Berrington almost certainly played a part. The warehouse was a late addition to the Stanley Dock complex and was built on land reclaimed from the dock. Stanley Dock is accessible from the dock system or by barge from the Leeds and Liverpool Canal which enters under Great Howard Street bridge.

With the decline of trade going through Liverpool, the warehouse fell into disuse in the 1980s and gradually into disrepair. More recently the building has featured in the Stop the Rot conservation campaign by the Liverpool Echo newspaper. Part of the ground floor of the warehouse was used for the Sunday Heritage Market. In 2010, local club promoter Sean Weaver held a warehouse rave on Boxing Day, which saw 2,500 people descend on the building. Acts included DJ Rolando, Kids in Glass Houses' lead singer Aled Phillips, Hatcha and Chrispy, as well as local DJs from the area.

In 2014, Stanley Dock Properties, under the auspices of the Irish company who had previously transformed Belfast's Titanic Quarter, Harcourt Developments, put forward a proposal for the warehouse to be converted into 550 apartments accompanied by businesses, cafes and retail outlets on the ground floor.

Between 2015–2021, Tobacco Warehouse was redeveloped into several hundred apartments as part of a larger development of the whole Stanley Dock site. The plans involved hollowing out the centre of the warehouse to create a garden-filled courtyard and the building welcomed its first residents in 2021.

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User talk:Frank Burdett

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Bangorian Controversy

The Bangorian Controversy was a theological argument within the Church of England in the early 18th century, with strong political overtones. The origins of the controversy lay in the 1716 posthumous publication of George Hickes's Constitution of the Catholic Church, and the Nature and Consequences of Schism. In it, Hickes, as Bishop of Thetford, on behalf of the minority non-juror faction that had broken away from the Church of England after the Glorious Revolution, excommunicated all but the non-juror churchmen. Benjamin Hoadly, the Bishop of Bangor, wrote a reply, Preservative against the Principles and Practices of Non-Jurors; his own Erastian position was sincerely proposed as the only test of truth.

The controversy itself began very visibly and vocally when Hoadly delivered a sermon on 31 March 1717 to George I of Great Britain on The Nature of the Kingdom of Christ. His text was John 18:36, "My kingdom is not of this world" and from that, Hoadly deduced, supposedly at the request of the king himself, that there is no Biblical justification for any church government of any sort. He identified the church with the Kingdom of Heaven. It was therefore not of this world, and Christ had not delegated His authority to any representatives.

Background
Two competing visions of government were in play. On the one hand, there was a vision of God appointing the king and the bishops to be leaders, selecting them from all others and imbuing them with special characters, either through grace or in creation. That view held that the king, as the head of the Established Church, was not only a secular leader of a state but also a religious primate. Power and regulation flowed downward from God to the people. That was the aristocratic model that was favoured by the Tory party and had been used to propose the divine right of kings.

The other view was that power flowed up from the people to the leaders, that leaders were no more intrinsically better than those led, and God gives out revelation freely. That Whig view was also the view of the Puritans and the "Independents" (the various Congregational and Baptist churches, Quakers etc.).

George I favoured the Whigs in Parliament and favoured a latitudinarian ecclesiastical policy in general. That was probably not by any desire to give up royal prerogative but to break the power of the aristocracy and the House of Lords. A significant obstacle to all kings of England had been the presence of bishops in the Lords. While a king could create peers, it was much more difficult for him to move bishops into and out of the Lords.

Sermon and aftermath
The sermon was immediately published and instantly drew counterattacks. William Law (Three Letters to the Bishop of Bangor) and Thomas Sherlock (dean of Chichester), in particular, gave vigorous defences of church polity. Hoadly himself wrote A Reply to the Representations of Convocation to answer Sherlock, Andrew Snape, provost of Eton, and Francis Hare, then dean of Worcester. The three men, and another opponent, Robert Moss, dean of Ely, were deprived of their royal chaplaincies by the king. Hoadly did not, however, attempt to answer William Law. It has been claimed that in all, over 200 pamphlets linked to the controversy were published by 53 writers. Of those, 74 were published in July 1717.

In May 1717, the Convocation appointed a committee to study the sermon. When the report was ready for synodal sanction against Hoadly, the king dismissed the convocation, which did not meet again for over 130 years.

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Talk:Harry F. Byrd

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The segregation statement seems unusual when juxtaposed with the following paragraph from Civil Rights Act of 1957:
 * However, by 1957, many Southern senators were willing to see a voting rights bill passed in a weaker form. This was largely in an effort to quell the desires of minorities and integrationists, and to preserve the Democratic majority in the Senate at that time (through capturing of the integrationist vote while still maintaining a stranglehold on Southern voting policies). Along with the majority of Southern senators who allowed the bill for that reason, there were some (such as Harry Byrd) who were of the opinion that voting for minorities should be federally protected, while others wished to propel Senate leader Lyndon Johnson to greater power, and for these reasons were supporters of a bill protecting (albeit weak) voting rights in the late 1950s.

Perhaps someone with more knowledge of Byrd can comment?

 * It seems to me there isn't much of a contradiction, as the act he supported did not deal with the issue of segregation, but rather voting rights. While one could certainly say they are connected, they are not the same. I would suppose that that Byrd was not against blacks voting, as long as he didn't have to sit at the same lunch counter with them. The article seems to say that he only supported the act to reinforce the Democrats in the south, and to prevent a more substantial civil rights bill from being proposed. That's my take on it. -R. fiend 13:44, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

1956 Election
Could you flesh out more the 1956 election and why Byrd won over 100,000 popular votes, even though he didn't run? Also, I think he won some electoral votes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwoodw1 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

 * During the 1950s and 60s, an movement in the South to include "unpledged electors" on the ballot arose. Essentially, these were electors who had not pledged to support a candidate, and were thus free to cast their vote to any person at the meeting of the electoral college (unlike most electors, who are selected for each party's slate with the understanding that they will vote for the party nominee if they win). The votes "won" by Byrd were actually cast for these unpledged electors. In 1960, Alabama and Missisippi both were carried by such unpledged slates, and those electors cast their votes for Byrd.Nathaniel Greene (talk) 23:59, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Can anybody tell me where the figure for the 1956 election comes from? Like the OP I think it is worthy of expansion. Pinging who gave a figure of 134,157 when he created the article in 2004 (it was changed to 116,248 by an IP in 2008 without an edit summary). Googling gives me: All of which has me thoroughly confused as to how many votes Byrd (or electors pledged to Byrd) actually got. Besides expanding this article, there might even be enough info out there to create a United States presidential election in South Carolina, 1956 article, if I could get it all straight. Scolaire (talk) 16:40, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Encyclopedia of U.S. Campaigns, Elections, and Electoral Behavior: "Senator Harry F Byrd, who received 134,000 votes in the 1956 presidential election". He doesn't elaborate, and it's a 2008 book so we can't rule out the possibility he got the figure from Wikipedia.
 * Politics on a Human Scale: The American Tradition of Decentralism at p. 223: States' Rights party in Kentucky got 2,600 votes; independent electors in South Carolina got nearly 90,000 votes (and an endorsement from James F. Byrnes); state-specific independent electors got 43,000 in Mississippi, 44,000 in Louisiana and 20,000 in Alabama for Byrd "and perhaps others".
 * US Election Atlas has 1, a figure of 2,657 for Byrd and William Jenner in Kentucky; 2, a figure of 88,509 for unpledged electors (No. Petition) in South Carolina; and 3, figures of 42,966, 44,520 and 20,323 for MS, LA and AL, for a total of 196,318. These agree with the previous but, like it, they aren't broken down into Byrd and possible others.
 * Paths out of Dixie: discusses the independent electors support for Byrd, but no figures; talks of endorsement for Byrd from Strom Thurmond as well as Byrnes.
 * Guide to the Presidency: refers to "States' Rights Party of Kentucky" and "South Carolinians for Independent Electors", and their support of Byrd. Again there are no figures.

 * I just noticed, it so happens that 2,657 + 88,509 + 42,966 = 134,162, which is within five of R. fiend's figure. Could somebody have added the figures for KY, SC and MS together? If so, who did, where and why? Scolaire (talk) 14:17, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

 * No response, so I'm going to change it to say that he got 2,657 votes in Kentucky and 88,509 in SC. Scolaire (talk) 14:13, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

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Joseph Smith Academy

The Joseph Smith Academy ("JSA") was an educational complex run by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Nauvoo, Illinois, less than 1000 ft from the Nauvoo Temple. Until recently, the Academy was home to a BYU distance study program focusing on church history. For this reason, the Academy is sometimes referred to as the BYU Nauvoo Center.

The Academy no longer is functioning and the building was torn down beginning in September 2007. Any new structures built on the land would be located to meet then-LDS church president Gordon B. Hinckley desire to not have any buildings obstruct the view to and from the Nauvoo Temple.

The dormitories at JSA provided housing for local missionaries, visiting youth groups and conferences, CES students on distance learning expedition, and other interests.

The building in which the JSA is housed was purchased from Catholic nuns who had used the facilities to run a girl's boarding school. The building had a unique architecture and interior design, with curving hallways, 5 ft lampshades, "bubblepaper" wallpaper and many other curious and beautiful traits.

The first group of BYU students to live in the JSA came in January 2000, although BYU had sent students to live in the Nauvoo area previously. Portions of Peace, Love & Gingerbread, a book about the first semester students lived in the JSA, circulated around the internet for a while but interest was fleeting.

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Talk:Denny's

Apparent error in the section "Racial discrimination lawsuits"
This section clearly states the class action lawsuit settlement occurred in 1994, however the incidents after it which "all occurr[ed] after the settlement" includes one which happened in 1993. Which is it? --Shawn K. Quinn (talk) 02:03, 20 June 2012 (UTC) The sources given (two I could check, anyway) say the settlement was in 1994. The other source says the 1993 incident did occur in 1993. That much is obvious just by checking the source links. --68.196.143.17 (talk) 05:53, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Health care section
This talk section is specifically addressing the edits that Nbauman is adding in the new "Health Care" subsection of the article. The info was trimmed down according to WP:UNDUE:

"...discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and impartial, but still disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic. This is a concern especially in relation to recent events that may be in the news. Note that undue weight can be given in several ways, including, but not limited to, depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, and juxtaposition of statements."

The current section is approximately 13% of the text of the article, which way too much for a single news item regarding one franchisee and not the entire company of Denny's, which is the article's subject. If you still believe that the text as added is proper weight for this article, I suggest you start an RfC regarding the issue. Angryapathy (talk) 23:40, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

 * WP:WEIGHT says:

 * "Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represents all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources."

 * This story was published by WP:RSs Slate, Fox News, Politico, MSN, AOL.COM, Daily Mail, Forbes, Nation's Restaurant News, and many others. This article should represent that story in proportion to that coverage, which is substantial. Instead, you blanked it completely, which violates WP:WEIGHT.

 * I don't think you could find as many WP:RSs for the story about Denny's cage-free eggs. Are you going to delete the section on "Animal welfare efforts"?

 * I don't think the burden is on me to start an RfC. If you think it's a good idea, you are free to do so. But you shouldn't remove well-sourced text. --Nbauman (talk) 07:01, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

 * It is unrelated to the actual company "Denny's" and does not belong. It is not about it's operations or corporate policy, it concerns the actions of a franchisees thus is not appropriate for inclusion. Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 09:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

RfC: How should the health care section of this article be handled?
How should the health care section of this article be handled? Angryapathy (talk) 15:13, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Survey
One of Denny's franchisees announced that they would add a 5% surcharge to all checks to help pay for the additional costs resulting from Obamacare. (See this as an example) It was covered by a variety of sources. There are currently three trains of thought regarding how, or if, this information should be added to the article:

Option 1: Include a long description of the issue. An example of a proposed addition to the article:

 * In November 2012, John Metz of RREMC Restaurants LLC of West Palm Beach, Fla., a franchisee that operates Denny’s and Dairy Queen, said that in response to the Obama Administration's Affordable Care Act ("Obamacare"), he was considering adding a 5% surcharge to checks, and suggested that guests decide whether to reduce the waiter tips by that amount.

 * John Miller, Denny’s chief executive, said that this was the decision of a franchisee, not the corporation. “Unfortunately, the comments of this franchisee, who represents less than 1 percent of our system and who owns restaurants in other concepts, has been portrayed as reflective of the entire Denny’s brand,” Miller said.

 * Metz issued a retraction, saying that his position was not representative of the Denny’s brand or of other franchisees, which they are not.”

 * “Our stores do not have a 5-percent surcharge,” Metz said in a statement. “RREMC Restaurants is committed to exploring viable and effective ways to deal with the changing economic climate, including the implementation of the Affordable Care Act. We have always been and will continue to be 100-percent dedicated to our employees and customers and will work tirelessly to find solutions that are in their best interests. It is our intention is to fully comply with the law."

Option 2: Include a short description of the issue in the Controversy section. An example of a proposed addition to the article:

 * In November 2012, John Metz of RREMC Restaurants LLC of West Palm Beach, Fla., a franchisee that operates Denny’s and Dairy Queen, said that in response to the Affordable Health Care for America Act, he was considering adding a 5% surcharge to checks. John Miller, Denny’s chief executive, said that this was the decision of a franchisee, not the corporation.

Option 3: Do not mention the issue at all in the article. -
 * Option 2 I believe that since the information is covered in a number of reliable sources, the issue should be described in the article. However, I think it is a very small issue within the scope of Denny's as a whole. The decison which sparked the coverage was by a franchisee of 30 locations, which is less than 2% of the company's locations. Also, the company itself denounced the decison as not being representative of the company. I will re-quote WP:UNDUE: "...discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and impartial, but still disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic. This is a concern especially in relation to recent events that may be in the news. Note that undue weight can be given in several ways, including, but not limited to, depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, and juxtaposition of statements." I think this perfectly describes this situation, where a flurry of reporting was made in a short period of time, but is very low in the overall significance to the topic of the article, namely the Denny's corporation. The other proposed edit in option 1 is approximately 13% of the article, which is much too great for this issue. I suggest 1-3 sentences max to explain the situation, but avoid going into great detail. Angryapathy (talk) 15:27, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Option 3. Five years from now, will this still seem important to mention? If it were a corporate policy, maybe, but the ill-advised comments of a franchise-owner (which he later retracted)?  Might as well add the info to the Florida article, since he lives and does business there.  As for the story being covered by a number of news orgs, this is because it was newsworthy; but as outlined in WP:NOT, newsworthy does not equal encyclopedia-worthy. Richigi (talk) 02:49, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Option 2 only with conditions: This is an action by the franchisee not by the corporation so we should take care not to make an undue connection to Denny's when it could be any franchise and just happens to be Denny's. The notable connection to Denny's is their denunciation of the action, not the action itself. Emphasis should be on the corporate response not the surcharge or the franchisee's arguments for adding it.
 * Joja lozzo  02:53, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If that's too much weight, I'm fine going with option 3. Joja  lozzo  02:56, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

 * Option 3 - Again, it is not about Denny's but a licensee of the company. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 05:13, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

 * Option 3 - Close call for an option 2, but I agree with the arguments above. We don't normally cover individual franchises, chapters, etc. On the other hand, what the article does need is a good trim for promotionalism: "for the first time ever" "in all 50 US states" and "largest international development deal yet" and the Controversy could be summarized slightly. User:CorporateM 18:58, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Option 2 per Angryapathy. St John Chrysostom ΔόξατωΘεώ 04:51, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

 * Option 2, rewritten. Say Denny's and Dairy Queen restaurants, add the *number* of restaurants, and before the CEO's disclaimer say that there was considerable outcry (surely a source can be found for this). Then say the CEO distanced the corporation from those remarks x days later. That's my take. Elinruby (talk) 23:21, 29 December 2012 (UTC) PS - the fact that this is Florida and the man suggested reducing tips may be worth briefly noting as well.

 * Option 3 Entertaining as it might be to start adding to Denny's, McDonald's, Burger King and other articles "A franchisee once got a bit of publicity by saying he might do something daft, but the company didn't like it and he probably wouldn't have done it anyway." NebY (talk) 19:12, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Regular Menu?
This article states: "There is also a Denny's attached to the Holiday Beach Hotel in Otrabanda, Willemstad, Curaçao in the Netherlands Antilles.[9] Along with the regular Denny's Menu, the Curaçao restaurant offers a selection of local ("kriyoyo") dishes. There are also about 578 Denny's restaurants in Japan operated independently under a license by a subsidiary of Seven & I Holdings." The restaurants in Japan don't serve anything like the "regular Denny's Menu" (assuming this is the menu in U.S. restaurants) although there are some things that aren't too way out there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 (talk) 23:07, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

History
I would like to see information about Denny's Cocktail Lounges and the chain's acquisitions of other chains in the 1980s. A discussion of the fact that many stores are franchised, while others are corporate, would also be more appropriate than discussing modern egg propaganda and arguing about covering one store's healthcare blah blah blah. Other missing information relevant would be current number of stores, sales numbers and stock performance history, Denny's opposition to cigarette prohibition in Arizona and Florida, examples of menu changes through the years,etc. More history, less recent corporate spin. --Vic, a Denny's employee from 1998-1999.107.4.103.90 (talk) 14:58, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

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Denny's Germany is probably a hoax
Denny's opening restaurants in Germany is very likely a hoax (a big one), because as of Dec. 11th 2017, not only the Facebook page has been deleted, but also some linked-to youtube videos, plus, both registered websites (dannydeutschland.com and de-danny.com) have been suspended, very likely by Denny's Inc., Spartanburg, itself.

Many media fell for that, just citing the Facebook page (which is now blank).

See Mimikama.at research report (de) (Mimikama.at is a community against internet abuse)

--DscheJ-Ouh (talk) 23:39, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Proposed edits from Denny's
Hello, everyone. I lead Digital Marketing at Denny's and along with some folks on our Legal team, have found some potential edits for the team to consider. Main considerations: 1. updates to info box, 2. updates to menu items served, and 3. some local, franchisee-specific news stories that made it onto the main national company page. Pinging because this editor closed the prior request for comment re: including content about individual franchisees.

LINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Luismartinez88/draft

Luismartinez88 (talk) 19:13, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

News Crew Attack
On May 2019, CBS46 news tried to interview Denny’s employees over a bad Health inspection. When interviewed, they told the news crew to stop recording & they tried to attack the cameraman. The manager of that Denny’s had taken action against the employees. The same restaurant closed in December of that year. GuyUser81 (talk) 23:26, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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A tachi (太刀) is a type of Japanese curved sword.

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People

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 * Tachi (footballer) (Alberto Rodríguez Baró, born 1997), Spanish footballer
 * A tribe of Native American Indians in California - see Yokuts and Santa Rosa Rancheria

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 * A Japanese term for karate stances, varying body positions to attack and defend
 * A suffix used in the Japanese language to indicate that a word refers to a group, see the article on Japanese grammar
 * TOM'S (Tachi Oiwa Motor Sports), TOM'S Co., Ltd (株式会社トムス, Kabushiki-gaisha Tomusu), a factory supported racing team and tuner of Toyota and Lexus vehicles

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Highwire Act Live in St. Louis 2003

Highwire Act: Live in St. Louis 2003 is the fifth live album by the American rock band Little Feat, released in 2004 (see 2004 in music). There was also a video of the same performance released on DVD.

Track listing
Disc 1
 * 1) "Time Loves a Hero" (Paul Barrère, Kenny Gradney, Bill Payne) – 5:58
 * 2) "Day or Night" (Payne, Fran Tate) – 9:47
 * 3) "Cadillac Hotel" (Payne, Bill Wray) – 6:46
 * 4) "Spanish Moon" (Lowell George) – 8:25
 * 5) "Skin It Back" (Barrère) – 6:40
 * 6) "Cajun Girl" (Kibbee, Payne) – 6:42
 * 7) "Night on the Town" (Barrère, Fred Tackett) – 5:59
 * 8) "I'd Be Lyin'" (Creamer, Mariani, Shaun Murphy) – 5:35
 * 9) "The Blues Don't Tell It All" (Murphy, Payne) – 6:20

Disc 2
 * 1) "Old Folks Boogie" (Barrère, Barrère) – 7:18
 * 2) "Oh Atlanta" (Payne) – 4:52
 * 3) "Dixie Chicken" (George, Martin Kibbee) – 17:44
 * 4) "Tripe Face Boogie" (Richie Hayward, Payne) – 7:18
 * 5) "Fat Man in the Bathtub" (George) – 11:44
 * 6) "Let It Roll" (Barrère, Kibbee, Payne) – 9:29
 * 7) "Willin'" (George) – 8:06
 * 8) "Feats Don't Fail Me Now" (Barrère, George, Kibbee) – 5:23

title: Highwire Act Live in St. Louis 2003