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Talk:15 puzzle

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For inclusion: puzzle history at this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by MacGyverMagic (talk • contribs) 08:22, 25 October 2004 (UTC)

Solution
The page states that there IS a hueristic to solve it, but doesn't give that solution. We definitely need this... Fieari 18:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

There is an actual solution. I can't describe it in detail, but it involves solving the top two rows first, then the bottom row. If done correctly, the third row solves itself. 75.73.231.136 23:19, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

1) We need to distinguish a 'human-like' solution from a more optimal (in terms of minimal number of moves) solution. a) A human like solution would be based on considering one tile at a time (and on a higher level, one row at a time) b) A computer solution could consider more or even all tiles at a time

2) About the human algorithm

I think we need to be more specific on 'done correctly' as described above. It's actually the trickiest part of the puzzle. Actually, I made an algorithm that does row 1 first, then row 2 and then row 3 and 4 together by rolling up row 3 into the left lower 2x2 square and row 4 in the right lower 2x2 square. Since the last row only has 3 tiles, it can always be reordered in the right order in the lower 2x2 square together with the hole. An illustrative video is at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFqTkyU3df8 It analyzes the current state in a long if else statement with many cases and calculates just one step ahead. So it does not search a tree, which would be another option. I could make one that only shows the algorithm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpS9jZTvQzs also describes it well

3) About the computer algorithm There is a video on YouTube illustrating this algorithm somewhere. Looks entirely different. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrcastorp (talk • contribs) 22:03, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Solvability
I do understand the parity function and that it divides all possible permutations into two classes: The odd and even permutations. However, I don't understand how to prove that given any two permutations from the same class, there is always a series of valid moves that leads from the one to the other. IMHO, this proof is a necessary addition to the solvability argument. Just because we define a parity function that knows only two different outcomes (odd, even) and then prove that valid moves stay within a class, it doesn't mean that maybe there really are four different classes and any valid move stays inside those, too. That's purely hypothetically of course, I know that the solvability argument given in the argument is true for any n-puzzle, but for me it's not proven yet. jlh (talk) 23:34, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Rephrasing your question, since obviously all solvable permutations will be even, and all odd permutations will not be solvable, can there be any even permutations that are not solvable? Actually, even if there are, does it matter? The whole point was that (at least) half the permutations are not solvable... -- Jokes Free4Me (talk) 18:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

A second question about this solvability issue could be if the proof (that there are at least N!/2 unsolvable permutations) apply for odd N's too, like it applies for even values of N. Can anyone help with this? -- Jokes Free4Me (talk) 18:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Odd permutations are unsolvable for all sizes of the puzzle. Even permutations are always solvable.  The article on Mathworld gives references to the original published proofs (Johnson and Storey), which are available on JSTOR but you will need an account or cash to see them in full.  Sp in ni ng Spark  21:47, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The "always" part ("Even permutations are always solvable") is not yet justified in the current form of the article. I'll add info about Archer.
 * And about that JSTOR proof... it's "© 1879", isn't it in the PD already? -- Jokes Free4Me (talk) 12:33, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

The proof given in this section is different from the proof given in section Alternate proof. This section says:

The invariant is the parity of the permutation of all 16 squares plus the parity of the taxicab distance (number of rows plus number of columns) of the empty square from the lower right corner.

But this is not correct. A row move will change the parity of the taxicab distance. But a row move will not change the parity of the permutation. So the parity used in the invariant is changed. --JingguoYao (talk) 07:15, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

 * Remember that the permutation here includes the empty square, so yes, a row move does change the parity of the permutation (it swaps the empty square with a non-empty square). Perhaps it should be clarified what "the permutation" refers to.  Sniffnoy (talk) 15:45, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It does already say "parity of the permutation of all 16 squares", so obviously that includes the empty square. To explain it any further would be tantamount to explaining that fifteen plus one equals sixteen. SpinningSpark 16:06, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I am clear on this. The invariant is not wrong. --JingguoYao (talk) 01:04, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * No matter where you start when you minimize the distance from the solution there are only two states. You can either end with a distance of 0 (even: 13-14-15-X) or 1 (odd: 13-X-15-14).  Any other possible grid can always be reduced further into one of these two states.  It can be shown impossible to move only two tiles without disrupting a third.  I will note that any odd permutation becomes an even permutation by turning the grid 90 degrees.205.142.232.18 (talk) 20:09, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Bobby Fischer
A story I think recounted in Profile of a Prodigy has the chess player entering a 15 tournament that happened to be being held in his hotel and he won it.--Jrm2007 (talk) 14:46, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

 * The article contained an account of Bobby Fischer having appeared on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, at which time he demonstrated his prowess at the 15 puzzle. (He solved it in 17 seconds.) This claim was accompanied by a tag stating that a citation was needed. Thinking I was solving this problem, I linked to a YouTube video of Fischer on that episode of The Tonight Show doing the 15 puzzle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxvnEwvgfeI User:Anita5192 undid my revision, stating that YouTube was not a reliable source! She then deleted the claim about Bobby Fischer altogether, explaining that it had been "unsourced for four years!" This seems ridiculous. The YouTube video documents and proves the truth of the claim. Is anyone seriously claiming that the video is doctored? Krakatoa (talk) 22:08, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

 * As I wrote in my edit summary, I deleted the claim about Bobby Fischer because it had no source and was marked as unsourced for nearly four years. Regardless of whether the video was doctored or not, YouTube is not a source. See WP:YOUTUBE.—Anita5192 (talk) 04:47, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Except that that seems to be the verified channel of Johnny Carson's show, and WP:RSPYT (the actual policy) says Content uploaded from a verified official account, such as that of a news organization, may be treated as originating from the uploader and therefore inheriting their level of reliability. Double sharp (talk) 09:05, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems that User:Double sharp is right; the policy banning Youtube does not really apply here. However, that does not necessarily make this - - a valid source. It may appear to document the fact. (Though, isn't it 13:00 to 13:22 he's actually solving it, which is more than 17 seconds? And do you actually see the puzzle being first scrambled, then solved? -- Note: I haven't seen the whole video.) But Wikipedia does not merely report facts; to document notability etc., we usualy need secondary or tertiary sources - which this isn't.--Nø (talk) 11:16, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Primary sources are not proscribed. The relevant guideline actually says primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them.

Youtube is generally unreliable but there is no blanket proscription. We do not delete cites to Youtube just because they are on Youtube. We delete them if they are unreliable. SpinningSpark 16:30, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Sam Loyd
User:DreamGuy's deletion of the image was unconstructive and pointless, but there could be more about the unsolvable 15-14 variant, which kind of launched the 15 puzzle into a certain renewed notoriety for a few years in the 1890s(? not sure about the exact dates). AnonMoos (talk) 06:46, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

 * Obviously, I agree with that as I originally reverted DreamGuy. The diagram makes clear what the configuration of the whole puzzle is for the unsolvable state.  It is, of course, possible to swap the 14 and 15 tiles on a solvable puzzle if the state of the rest of the puzzle is freely choosable.  As for writing more on the renewal of the craze, I suggest getting a copy of Jerry Slocum's book which is the main source for this. User:Spinningspark 07:48, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Having the same image as at the top of the article but with numbers flipped serves no encyclopedic purpose whatsoever. It makes the article look amateurish, and it suggests that our readers are too stupid to understand simple English. DreamGuy (talk) 13:11, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately for you, the "minor revision" is the difference between the original solvable puzzle vs. the revised unsolvable puzzle, and also the difference between the original ca. 1880 craze (which burned out fairly quickly) vs. the later ca. 1890s partial revival of interest in it... AnonMoos (talk) 16:05, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

The definition of odd and even permutations is missing
The article does not explain what an odd or even permutation is. It also does not reference a definition. But it uses the term more than once. --Ceving (talk) 14:08, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The first occurrence of the word "permutation" in the article is in the phrase "parity of the permutations", wikilinked to Parity of a permutation. Not all readers may connect "odd/even" to "parity", but all the same I think this is sufficient.--Nø (talk) 14:25, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * [Not sure if I should have corrected the spelling mistake in the previous comment...] Mostly I'm not certain if this section of the Talk page is indirectly addressing the question that I was trying to answer in the article, but... My current understanding is that the board is in one of two states, solvable or unsolvable, and they are symmetric. If you can transform the board to a known unsolvable state (such as the 14 and 15 reversed), then you know it is unsolvable, but my further belief is that all unsolvable boards can be transformed to that same "bad" state. (By definition all of the solvable boards can be transformed to the same solved "good" state.) If this is in the article, then I'm not seeing it clearly. However the article and this discussion leads to the same conjecture regarding all other boards where solvable and unsolvable states exist. (I'm also uncertain, but believe that some boards are always solvable.) Shanen (talk) 12:29, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * So, first off, yes, in the standard 15 puzzle, or any grid, you can get from unsolvable configuration to any other. This just follows from some group theory and the fact that exactly half the configurations are solvable.  I don't know what you mean by other boards; do you mean doing it on other graphs?  As mentioned in the article, for 2-vertex-connected graphs, with one exception, half the configurations (specifically, the even ones) will be solvable if the graph is 2-colorable, and all configurations will be solvable if it is not.  (And then there is that one exceptional graph where 1/6 of them are solvable.)  In general, if the fraction of solvable configurations is 1/n, there will be n equivalence classes.  So, as mentioned, in the original case, there are two equivalence classes: Solvable and unsolvable, i.e., all unsolvable ones are equivalent.  The same holds for any 2-colorable graph other than the exceptional one, which has 6 equivalence classes (one equivalence class of solvable configurations and 5 different equivalence classes of unsolvable configurations).  So, hopefully that answers your question.  Again, this is all just basic theory of group/groupoid actions.  But I mean go ahead and add it if you think it's worth noting!  No reason not to be more explicit, after all.  Hopefully I've interpreted your question correctly. Sniffnoy (talk) 22:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The parity of a permutation of an order is the evenness or oddness of the number of two-way exchanges required to restore the order. As alluded to in the 1879 Johnson & Story article, the parity of the overall permutation, including the blank square (call it 16), always remains equal to the evenness or oddness of the distance of 16 from the end. From this, as noted in a follow-up of the article, it also follows that any combination of moves that has 16 starting and ending in the same position, even if not at the end, will preserve the parity of the overall configuration; and that these observations apply, yet more generally, to other similar puzzles, regardless of their size or the number of tiles in them, as long as just one tile is blank. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.29.226.169 (talk) 18:27, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Not necessarily square.
There are variants with non-equal dimensions, the proper name for this puzzle is "mn-1 puzzle", though it's not widely used. But mn-1 puzzles can be treated like n^2-1 puzzles with an extra row (i.e. concentrating on the row(s) first) -- 46.173.12.68 (talk) 10:44, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The classic solution for the n^2-1 puzzle is to create an (n-1)n-1 puzzle by solving the first row and continuing to solve the mn-1 reducing m by 1 each iteration until m=2. 205.142.232.18 (talk) 20:00, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Solvability still not clear
The 3rd paragraph on Solvability says that "the converse also holds". The converse of what? Right before there was a equivalence with "if and only if" mentioned. So what is the converse? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.92.110.254 (talk) 10:15, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The original wording of that passage is somewhat clearer and more explicit. SpinningSpark 10:58, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Puzzle in image not solvable
The image of a 15 puzzle shown on article page is NOT SOLVABLE! If folks are ok with this, the caption for that picture should state this puzzle is not solvable. I found a site that describes how to test for solvability: https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/check-instance-15-puzzle-solvable/ Following the algorithm on that site, the displayed puzzle is not solvable

This page gives a fairly simple approach to solving a puzzle. Solve the top row, then the left side row, and then do the same for the remaining unsolved puzzle inside the outer puzzle. https://www.wikihow.com/Solve-Slide-Puzzles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanksterr7 (talk • contribs) 00:40, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

 * I agree the puzzle is unsolvable, but a previous attempt to fix it was reverted on Commons. A further problem is that some other language versions are using this as an example of a magic square solution.  So fixing the solvability issue by simply swapping two tiles is going to break the magic square.  The easiest solution for our article is to break out the corrected image from the history into a new file.  Articles using this as an example of a magic square will still have a problem because they are using an unreachable solution. SpinningSpark 18:12, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I've reverted the image to its original (as uploaded) configuration which was both solveable and a magic square. Let's see if it sticks this time. SpinningSpark 14:02, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

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Rudolf Schulten

Rudolf Schulten (16 August 1923 – 27 April 1996)—professor at RWTH Aachen University—was the main developer of the pebble bed reactor design, which was originally invented by Farrington Daniels. Schulten's concept compacts silicon carbide-coated uranium granules into hard, billiard-ball-like graphite spheres to be used as fuel for a new high temperature, helium-cooled type of nuclear reactor.

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Park La Brea, Los Angeles

Park La Brea (Spanish: La Brea—"The tar", after the nearby La Brea Tar Pits) is an apartment community in the Miracle Mile District of Los Angeles, California. With 4,255 units located in eighteen 13-story towers and thirty-one two-story buildings, it is among the largest apartment complexes in the continental United States. It sits on 160 acre of land.

Geography and transportation
Park La Brea is bounded by 3rd Street on the north, Cochran Avenue on the east, 6th Street on the south, and Fairfax Avenue on the west. The complex is notable for its octagonal street layout, with many internal thoroughfares at a 45° angle of displacement relative to the surrounding city street grid.

In 2025, the Wilshire/Fairfax station on the D Line subway line will open at the intersection of Wilshire Boulevard and Fairfax Avenue. The stop will be approximately a 5-minute walk from Park La Brea, allowing the residents of the dense apartment complex to be connected to Downtown Los Angeles by rapid transit. When fully built, the D Line will reach UCLA and the Westwood neighborhood by 2028.

The neighborhood
After the arrival of the Spanish in the 1780s, most of the area that is now Park La Brea became part of the Rancho La Brea land grant, and remained largely devoted to agriculture and petroleum production well into the 20th century. The growth of Hollywood and the Miracle Mile made the adjacent areas desirable centers for residential development in the 1920s, but the mid-rise apartment towers that give the district its current name were built later, between 1944 and 1948.

As the towers are relatively isolated from the rest of the Miracle Mile — set far back from major thoroughfares in a nod to Le Corbusier, they developed a reputation as "the projects", since they are reminiscent of such notorious housing developments as Chicago's Robert Taylor Homes and New York's Queensbridge. The street layout was created in a masonic pattern as a reference to the Masonic heritage of the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, which built the complex toward the end of World War II and immediately thereafter.

Design

The Park La Brea townhouses were designed by Leonard Schultze & Associates (New York) with associate architect Earl T. Heitschmidt in 1941. The architecture has been dubbed Modern Colonial in form.

Education
Residents are zoned to schools in the Los Angeles Unified School District.

Three different elementary schools serve portions of this neighborhood:
 * Carthay Center Elementary School
 * Hancock Park Elementary School
 * Wilshire Crest Elementary School

All of the neighborhood is zoned to John Burroughs Middle School and Fairfax High School.

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Sterol

Sterol is an organic compound with formula, whose molecule is derived from that of gonane by replacement of a hydrogen atom on C3 position by a hydroxyl group. It is therefore an alcohol of gonane. More generally, any compounds that contain the gonane structure, additional functional groups, and/or modified ring systems derived from gonane are called steroids. Therefore, sterols are a subgroup of the steroids. They occur naturally in most eukaryotes, including plants, animals, and fungi, and can also be produced by some bacteria (however likely with different functions). The most familiar type of animal sterol is cholesterol, which is vital to cell membrane structure, and functions as a precursor to fat-soluble vitamins and steroid hormones.

While technically alcohols, sterols are classified by biochemists as lipids (fats in the broader sense of the term).

Phytosterols
Phytosterols are sterols naturally found in plants. Notable examples of phytosterols include campesterol, sitosterol, and stigmasterol.

Zoosterols
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Mycosterols
Sterols found in fungi are called mycosterols. A common example is ergosterol, a mycosterol present in the cell membrane of fungi, where it serves a role similar to cholesterol in animal cells.

Role in biochemistry
Sterols and related compounds play essential roles in the physiology of eukaryotic organisms, and are essential for normal physiology of plants, animals, and fungi. For example, cholesterol forms part of the cellular membrane in animals, where it affects the cell membrane's fluidity and serves as secondary messenger in developmental signaling. In humans and other animals, corticosteroids such as cortisol act as signaling compounds in cellular communication and general metabolism. Sterols are common components of human skin oils.

Phytosterols as a nutritional supplement
Phytosterols, more commonly known as plant sterols, have been shown in clinical trials to block cholesterol absorption sites in the human intestine, thus helping to reduce cholesterol absorption in humans. They are currently approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for use as a food supplement; however, there is some concern that they may block absorption not only of cholesterol, but of other important nutrients as well. At present, the American Heart Association has recommended that supplemental plant sterols be taken only by those diagnosed with elevated cholesterol, and has particularly recommended that they not be taken by pregnant women or nursing mothers. Preliminary research has shown that phytosterols may have anticancer effects.

Chemical classification and structure
Sterols are a subgroup of steroids with a hydroxyl group at the 3-position of the A-ring. They are amphipathic lipids synthesized from acetyl-coenzyme A via the HMG-CoA reductase pathway. The overall molecule is quite flat. The hydroxyl group on the A ring is polar. The rest of the aliphatic chain is non-polar.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Corset by oval chest

Corset by oval chest

 * Misplaced VfD discussion. Delete or move where it belongs. - Mike Rosoft 10:06, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Whre is the article that goes with this discussion? RickK 22:23, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * Apologies, this is my fault (trying to do things on a Monday morning without being awake). The article is Corsets by oval chest. - Katherine Shaw 08:23, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * Since the "article"'s content already exists on the proper VfD page, it should be speedily deleted.
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Sydney Road

Sydney Road (in its northernmost part also known as the Hume Highway) is a major urban arterial in the northern suburbs of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.

Geography
Sydney Road starts at the northern end of Royal Parade at the boundary of Parkville and Brunswick and continues north through Brunswick, Coburg, Coburg North, Hadfield, Fawkner, Campbellfield, Somerton and Craigieburn, where it joins the Hume Freeway.

The section passing through Brunswick and Coburg, between Park Street at its southern end and Bell Street near the site of the former Pentridge prison, at its northern end, is Melbourne's longest continuous shopping strip, with an abundance of small businesses and a variety of restaurants and coffee shops, clothing stores, places of worship, and community services. It is well known for its wedding fashion shops, discount shopping and a number of specialist food stores.

History
Previously part of Hume Highway, the road was bypassed as the main route through northern Melbourne when the Craigieburn bypass opened in 2005; the road name was devolved back to its original identity as Sydney Road as a consequence.

As a part of the Hume Highway, the road was signed as National Route 31 in 1954. The Whitlam government introduced the federal National Roads Act 1974, where roads declared as a National Highway were still the responsibility of the states for road construction and maintenance, but were fully compensated by the Federal government for money spent on approved projects. As an important interstate link between the capitals of Victoria and New South Wales, the Hume Highway was declared a National Highway in 1974.

With Victoria's conversion to the newer alphanumeric system in the late 1990s, the section between Craigieburn and Fawkner (where it met the Western Ring Road) was upgraded to National Highway M31; it was left as National Highway 31 south of the ring road along its original alignment into central Melbourne. Once the Craigieburn bypass was opened in 2005 and National Route M31 was re-routed onto the new bypass, the old route was replaced with Metropolitan Route 55 from Craigieburn to the central suburb of Docklands.

The passing of the Road Management Act 2004 granted the responsibility of overall management and development of Victoria's major arterial roads to VicRoads: VicRoads declared this road as Sydney Road (Arterial #5733), beginning from Bell Street in Coburg and ending at Brunswick Road, Brunswick in 2004, and as Coburg-Craigieburn Road (Arterial #5500), from Bell Street to where it meets Hume Freeway in Craigieburn in 2006; the road in its entirety is still presently known (and signposted) as Sydney Road.

Community
In February 1841, George Jones opened a retail store on Sydney Road in Pentridge.

The Victorian gold rush in the 1850s caused businesses to flourish on Sydney Road. Many were established to supply the miners on their trek north to the gold fields. Numerous hotels were built along Sydney Road in this period including the Brunswick Hotel, the Cornish Arms Hotel, the Sarah Sands Hotel, the Cumberland Arms Hotel, the Edinburgh Castle Hotel and the Court House Hotel. It was originally called Pentridge Road, as it connected the city with Pentridge prison. It was renamed Sydney Road in 1859.

The early hub of business activity was between Weston Street and Albert Street in Brunswick, but by the 1880s businesses were rapidly being established beyond Albion Street. In the 1920s the clothing and textile industries grew; evidence of their presence in the area can still be seen in the existence of tailors shops, fabric shops and an abundance of wedding gown shops. During the 1930s the Unemployed Workers Movement held street meetings on the corner of Sydney Road and Phoenix Street. These meetings were harassed and suppressed by the police, under the direct orders of Police Commissioner, General Thomas Blamey. Young Australian artist Noel Counihan played a significant part in this campaign. The State Government, concerned about the public sympathy being generated, eventually changed the law in regard to obstruction, with no requirement of permits to speak. A Free Speech memorial was built outside the Mechanics' Institute on the corner of Sydney and Glenlyon Roads to commemorate the success of the free speech fights. Counihan's work as an artist and local resident is also commemorated by the Counihan Gallery on Sydney Road run by the City of Merri-bek Council.

During the second world war and in the 1950s, Sydney Road came alive with late night shopping. This included late night shopping parades with floats. The construction of the Barkly Square shopping complex immediately to the east of Sydney Road in the 1980s coincided with a decline in the success of the strip. The Sydney Road Brunswick Association was formed in the early 1990s to provide a focus for action to revive the strip, utilising a range of community development and marketing techniques. With postwar immigration, many migrant families established businesses. The multicultural nature of business on Sydney Road is reflected in the cuisines offered by its restaurants and cafes. Italian, Greek and Balkan cuisines were once the dominant non-Anglo fare, but since the 1980s Sydney Road's eateries have diversified and increased in number, so that the food available now includes Lebanese, Afghan, Thai, Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese, North and East African, Balinese, Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lankan and Nepali cuisines. In the early 2000s, several hotels (pubs) were renovated and have become very popular live music venues. Property prices in Brunswick and Coburg (south of Bell Street) rose sharply in the 1990s and early 2000s. The signs of gentrification are increasingly evident in the southern quarter of Sydney Road, with a rising number of clothing boutiques and many new eateries serving eclectic and contemporary Australian 'fusion' cuisine in stylish, designer environments, producing an increasingly diversified street life.

As a major activity centre in Merri-bek, Sydney Road is a key component in any strategies of urban intensification to meet the requirements of the Victorian Government's metropolitan strategy, Melbourne 2030. In his first speech in December 2006, newly elected Moreland Mayor Mark O'Brien proposed turning the entire 4.5 km commercial strip between Brunswick Road and Bell Street into a promenade, which would transform the usually congested Sydney Road into one of the longest pedestrian streets in the world.

Landmarks
Sydney Road contains many historical landmarks. Many of the hotels date from the 1850s, including the Cornish Arms hotel and the Sarah Sands Hotel on the corner of Brunswick Road. The Bombay Rock at the corner of Phoenix Street, was one of the pre-eminent rock music venues in Melbourne in the 1970s and 80s.

Brunswick Town Hall, built in 1876 on the corner of Dawson Street, is an imposing Victorian edifice. It was saved from planned destruction by the municipal council in 1973-1974 when Vic and Vida Little, along with the Brunswick Progress Association, led a successful campaign to preserve it. The building was significantly extended and renovated in the early 1990s to upgrade the library, offices and public assembly spaces.

Diagonally opposite from the Town Hall stands the Mechanics Institute, built in 1868, and used for worker education and social activities. A monument to the Free Speech fights of the 1930s stands near the corner. The history of many of the single and double story shop fronts can be seen in the names and years moulded into the upper portions of the building facades. The Mechanics Institute now provides a popular performance space and offices for local arts administrators.

Notable institutions
Sydney Road has a number of institutions that are notable for their contribution to the broader cultural life of Melbourne. The Mediterranean supermarket, between Victoria and Blyth Streets is a long-established, large and well-known source of Italian and other European foodstuffs. The A1 Middle Eastern Bakery, at the top of Brunswick Hill is the most high-profile of a number of such bakeries in the area, well known for products such as flat bread that are supplied across Melbourne. A tour of these bakeries forms part of Melbourne's annual Food and Wine festival. Savers is a very popular supermarket-sized second-hand clothing store, located between Albert Street and Glenlyon Road. Well known for its bridal shops, a recent arrival in Sydney Road is Mariana Hardwick's emporium in the eponymously (re)named building between Sparta Place and Ballarat Street.

Transport
Tram route 19 runs along the inner section of Sydney Road, starting at Bakers Road in Coburg North and ending in Elizabeth Street at Flinders Street station in the city. The Upfield railway line from the city loop runs parallel to Sydney Road about 200m to the west, with stations at Jewell, Brunswick, Anstey, Moreland and Coburg. The road has historically been signed as Route 31, but since the opening of the Craigieburn Bypass has been relegated to Route 55.

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Talk:Andheri

School alumni
Hansraj Morarji Public and other schools are not really notable. This section should be deleted. Just mention the names of the schools in a list, but don't go on writing about their alumni etal. utcursch 08:33, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * Now I've no problem with this. See Schools. I've moved the alumni section to the school's article. utcursch | talk July 5, 2005 09:19 (UTC)

Juhu
Since when is Juhu/JVPD considered part of Andheri? In the twelve years I spent at Cooper, I never once knew it to be located in Andheri. --69.158.80.181 01:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I've now removed Juhu and JVPD from the list of residential areas. --Amit 05:24, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Linkspam
The user 59.184.56.70 has been posting a link to under External links on many Mumbai related articles. See User_talk:59.184.56.70 for more info. --Amit 21:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Map requested
A map of Andheri is requested. If the map is copyrighted, the copyright owner must release the copyright, or allow it to be relicensed under GFDL. --Amit 04:23, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Lists
Hi guys, I am skeptical of including list of schools and colleges, malls, hospitals, places of worships... for that matter any kind of lists. Wiki is encyclopedia so things should be presented in details if they are worth knowing or is associated with any kind of important events in past or present. Information should not be bulleted.

Wikipedia is not a directory, and hey, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information either.

If you all agree I would like to delete all lists from this page. spacejuncky 15:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

 * The article is severely lacking proper content. I recommend that some serious content be put in first before deleting lists. --Amit 06:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

There is too much irrelevant information about Vijay nagar. Could this be made crisp. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.18.116.3 (talk) 12:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Suburb
Andheri is not actually a suburb like Americans call it. When this article says it is a suburb, it means a district of a city. Do you think we should add this on to the article and articles on the other districts of mumbai? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sidobagga (talk • contribs) 23:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Detailed Map
A detailed map is available and I need help in adding it http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Map165.jpg&oldid=29890896

Schools, Colleges, Hospitals
Suggestion: We can just mention 2-3 schools, colleges and hospitals and have a separate page for schools in andheri and in that page we can even describe their history? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmoorkcor (talk • contribs) 16:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

station
i think more details can be provided of andheri station,the outstation trains halting here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.183.198.205 (talk) 16:00, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

population
population of andheri as 4million is improper seeing total mumbai population as 12million.this should be removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhrvprkh91 (talk • contribs) 15:40, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Images
Judging by the images, there seems to be nothing other than a station in Andheri. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.248.130.148 (talk) 20:52, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Edits
Did a basic cleanup of sentences and re-arrangement of words in the article. Added a few historical details regarding the etymology of Andheri. Does anyone have any details regarding the BEST bus network in Andheri?, would imagine it's pretty large.  yanka   AD   =Talk=  11:33, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

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Unsourced
This is almost entirely unsourced. Moved here per WP:PRESERVE. Per WP:BURDEN, don't restore without finding reliable sources, checking the content against them, and citing them.

This list also contains embedded URLs which is not OK per WP:EL.

Please also keep in mind WP:NOT]; we don't have to list every school in the suburb. High level summary about the school system would be great.

Andheri has a number of public as well as private schools serving the student population of this suburb. The list of schools includes: • A. H. Wadia High School
 * Schools

• Agnel Land High School

• Bhavan's A. H. Wadia High School

• Bombay Cambridge School (Andheri East)

• Bombay Cambridge School (Andheri West)

• Canossa High School

• City International School

• Hansraj Morarji Public School

• Hasanat High School

• Holy Family High School

• Jankidevi Public School

• Marble Arch School

• Prime Academy

• Rajhans Vidyalaya

• RIMS International School

• Ryan Global School

• St. Anthony's High School

• St. Arnold's High School

• St. Blaise High School

• St. Dominic Savio High School

• St. Louis Convent High School

• St. Xavier's High School

Schools formerly in Andheri East:
 * Japanese School of Mumbai

-- Jytdog (talk) 02:46, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm going to repeat what's on your talk page:
 * "Usually lists of schools in a place aren't challenged - I think because the criteria for whether something needs to be sourced is whether the content's likely to be challenged and usually a list of schools is "self-evident". De facto IMO stuff that's likely to be challenged is 99% of material on WP, but anyway...

 * It's better IMO to mark the section as "refimprove" or "unsourced" so somebody will see that and add sources. If it's just removed somebody will come back and add another unsourced list of schools, or the material's gone and won't get unsourced (and not having an overview of the education in a city subdivision is a big omission).

 * Since it's not BLP it's not especially sensitive so one can be "soft" with it. In Andheri I sourced the Japanese school and threw up a refimprove for the rest: Andheri"

Now - I believe in this case, and I'm basing it on observations and practice and this is in consideration of Wikipedia's sourcing requirements, it's better to be conservative and tag it with - I am well aware of the sourcing requirements, but we also need to consider relationships with budding/inexperienced editors and getting contributorship numbers back, as well as showing and teaching editors how to source things. Here are some explanations:

 * 1. There's an expectation that "obvious" material doesn't need to be sourced (the sourcing guidelines do say this, in that material likely to be challenged should be sourced - implying that it doesn't have to if it's not likely to be challenged). Ideally this stuff all should be sourced (to postal addresses from official websites), but I think the contributors will think to themselves "oh, so-and-so and just google it" - to them it's "obvious". If you feel it's necessary to wipe the whole list, please chase down ever single contributor and tell them, in detail and in your own words, what's going on and exactly how to fix it. Despite the fact that officially the burden is on them, an inexperienced editor will give up and quit if he/she is too overwhelmed, and if this process happens too often, Wikipedia will be starved of new editors and the project would eventually deteriorate. Because lists of schools are not BLP-sensitive, it's way easier to just tag it and let someone else deal with it later (as long as you don't think someone's lying in the content or that it's an ad). This is how Wikipedia worked in the early days: Somebody adds something, then somebody else improves on it.
 * I notice List of educational institutions in Mumbai has some sources, but this largely doesn't have sources either.
 * Frankly I consider the EL guideline on no external links in the article text to be an afterthought sometimes - People shouldn't do that with ELs, but they do it anyway and to police it IMO is just like trying to clean the Augean stables without the river. Obviously it's best to just remove the ELs, in some cases I'd rather wait until it's time to bring it to good article standards before taking an effort to police that aspect as long as it's not blatant advertising.

 * 2. Actually there was supposed to be a list for this: List of schools and colleges in Andheri (based upon User_talk:WhisperToMe/Archive_20) - But someone just redirected it after I split it off into its own article (on the grounds of lack of sources), but I wasn't aware of this until now. Plenty of places do have "List of schools in X place" and those articles don't often have sourcing either.
 * While technically Wikipedia isn't supposed to be a "directory" people do have lists of schools in small town/city subdivision articles and frankly that's to be expected as people want to know what schools are in those places, though if the lists are too long they should be pared down.

I will work on sourcing 5-10 of the entries. In the meantime, I will notify the user who created the list,, as well as a user who added the to lists, , so they understand what's going on. I would suggest to them that they should cite street/postal addresses from official websites as protection for the content. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:49, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

 * Now I started List of schools and colleges in Andheri as a repository. The best solution is to tag or to just source it anyway so new editors know what to do. Wipe it, and people will make the same mistakes again and again. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:44, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

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I'll Sleep When I'm Dead (An Anthology)

I'll Sleep When I'm Dead (An Anthology) is a two-disc compilation album by American singer-songwriter Warren Zevon, released on Rhino Records in 1996. It spans his career from his eponymous debut album on Asylum Records to date of release, ignoring his disowned initial album from 1969, Wanted Dead or Alive. It contains tracks from all ten of his albums released during this period, and includes contributions to soundtracks and his one-off album with members of R.E.M., Hindu Love Gods.

Disc one collects recordings done for Asylum, and disc two collects recordings done for Virgin and Giant Records.

Collective personnel

 * Warren Zevon – vocals, piano, organ, synthesizer, keyboards, guitars, harmonicapercussion
 * David Lindley – banjo, fiddle, guitars, slide-guitar, lap steel guitar, saz
 * Glenn Frey, Cain Sharp, Waddy Wachtel, Neil Young, Zeke Zirngiebel – guitars, backing vocals
 * Peter Buck, Mike Campbell, Denny Dias, David Gilmour, David Landau, Steve Lukather, Peter Maunu – guitars
 * Darius Degher – sitar
 * Bob Harris – keyboards, backing vocals
 * Chick Corea, Lois Griffin, Roy Bittan – piano
 * Benmont Tench – organ
 * Jai Winding – piano, keyboards, backing vocals
 * Bob Glaub – bass guitar, keyboards
 * Jorge Calderon, Kenny Edwards, Roberto Pinon – bass, backing vocals
 * Skittles Cat, Larry Klein, Tony Levin, LeRoy Marinell, John McVie, Mike Mills, Leland Sklar – bass
 * Bill Berry, Stanley Cat, Mick Fleetwood, Richie Hayward, Jim Keltner, Danny Kortchmar, Craig Krampf, Russ Kunkel, Gary Mallaber, Rick Marotta, Jeff Porcaro, Marty Stinger, Kurt Wortman, Larry Zack – drums, percussion
 * Karla Bonoff, Jackson Browne, Lindsey Buckingham, Rosemary Butler, Darcy DeMoss, Phil Everly, Don Henley, Billy Hinsche, Kipp Lennon, Mark Lennon, Michael Lennon, Stan Lynch, Belinda Montgomery, Graham Nash, Patricia Richardson, Linda Ronstadt, J.D. Souther, Michael Stipe, Jennifer Warnes, Jordan Zevon – backing vocals
 * Charles Veal, Ken Yerke – violins
 * Carole Mukogawa – viola
 * Dennis Karmazyn – cello
 * Mark Isham – trumpet, electronic sounds
 * Jim Horn – saxophones, recorder
 * Bobby Keys – saxophones
 * Bruce Hornsby – accordion
 * Fritz Richmond – jug

Production

 * Gary Peterson, Mark Pinkus – compilation producers
 * Warren Zevon, Duncan Aldrich, Niko Bolas, Jackson Browne, Bill Inglot, Mark Isham, Greg Ladanyi, Andrew Slater, Waddy Wachtel – original recordings producers
 * Duncan Aldrich, Niko Bolas, Richard Bosworth, Marc DeSisto, Dennis Kirk, Steve Krause, Nathaniel Kunkel, Greg Ladanyi, Richard Landers, Peggy McAfee, Kent Nebergall, Jim Nipar, Fritz Richmond, Rail Jon Rogut, Bob Vogt, Billy Youdelman – engineers
 * Duncan Aldrich, Niko Bolas, John Haeny, Rob Jacobs, Rob Jaczko, John Beverly Jones, Dennis Kirk, Greg Ladanyi, Shelly Yakus – mixing engineers
 * Bill Inglot, Geoff Sykes – remastering engineers
 * Carl Wilson – vocal arrangements on "Desperados Under the Eaves"
 * Monster X, Coco Shinomiya – art direction and design
 * Duncan Aldrich, Roger Bell, Gloria Boyce, Henry Diltz, Jonathan Exley, George Gruel, Michael Ochs, Aaron Rapoport, Randee Saint Nicholas, Jon Sievert, Lorrie Sullivan, Scott Weiner, Serenus Zeitblom, Crystal Zevon – photography
 * Joey Helguera – tape research

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User:Youknowandy

Hi people. I am Andy. I am planning on making several contributions to the asteroid category. I have number crunched various Guiness Book of World Record type records for different asteroid classes, and plan to share the results here. I also researched some pretty interesting Near-Earth asteroids, and will create quite a few new individual asteroid pages.

Besides my astronomy, my other interests include anime, video games (especially Castlevania and fighting type games), history, Star Trek, and geography. So, you never know when I might make a contribution in one of those areas. Ciou!

Andy

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Airboy

Airboy is a fictional Golden Age aviator hero of an American comic book series initially published by Hillman Periodicals during the World War II, before ending his initial run in 1953. The hero was the costumed identity of crack pilot Davy Nelson II, and created by writers Charles Biro and Dick Wood with artist Al Camy.

The character disappeared from publications until a 1980s revival under Chuck Dixon that lasted for several years, focusing on the original Airboy's son, Davy Nelson III, and reviving much of the Hillman library of supporting characters before ending in 1989.

Since then the original Hillman creations and stories have fallen into the public domain; as a result Airboy and his supporting cast have appeared intermittently since under multiple publishers, sometimes updating his story to the present day or continuing previous adventures.

Hillman Publications
Airboy debuted in Air Fighters Comics #2 (cover-date Nov. 1942), an anthology series featuring a variety of aviator heroes; the first issue of the title had been published a year before, featuring a completely different cast of characters who were never seen again. The series was renamed Airboy Comics with the twenty-third issue, vol. 2, #11 (Dec. 1945), and ran 89 issues, through vol. 10, #4 (May 1953).

In the early issues, Biro wrote the scripts with Dave Wood and drew the covers, Al Camy was the initial story artist. He was followed by Tony DiPreta and, beginning with Air Fighters #10 (July 1943), Fred Kida, who would become closely associated with the series. Ernie Schroeder became the regular artist with Airboy Comics #vol. 5, #11 (Dec. 1948), through the end of the series' run, with Dan Barry, Maurice Del Bourgo, Carmine Infantino, and others supplying an occasional story.

One of Airboy's most frequently recurring supporting characters was the German aviator Valkyrie, who fought on the side of the Axis as one of the Airmaidens but then defected to the Allies. The cleavage-baring aviatrix was one of the most popular characters in the series, making numerous appearances. Chuck Dixon, writer of the 1980s revival, would describe Valkyrie as "a cross between a Milton Caniff siren and Veronica Lake", and declare her the "sexiest character of Golden Age comics bar none".

An unusual feature of the series was that Airboy broadly aged in real-time, starting out as a young teenager at the start of his adventures; Kida credited the idea for this development to Terry and the Pirates. Following the Allies' victory in World War II in 1945, the series re-orientated and featured Airboy battling against the new terror, Communists.

The two consecutive series also contained backup stories about other aviators, including Skywolf, Iron Ace, the Black Angel, the Bald Eagle, the Flying Dutchman and the Flying Fool, before Hillman stopped publishing comics in 1953 due to the fall-out from Fredric Wertham's infamous Seduction of the Innocent, the incoming oversight of the Comics Code Authority and a general downturn in the market. Hillman subsequently left the publishing business altogether in 1961. Two issues were reprinted in 1973 by Don Maris' Nostalgia Inc. Comic Reprints, and a trade paperback entitled Valkyrie!: From the Pages of Air Fighters and the Airboy was published in 1982 by Ken Pierce Books with five stories featuring the femme fatale.

Synopsis
Airboy was David ("Davy") Nelson II, the son of an expert pilot and, despite his youth, a crack flyer himself; he was also an expert mechanic and a skilled hand-to-hand combatant. His friend, inventor and Franciscan friar Brother Francis Martier, had created a highly maneuverable prototype aircraft that flew by flapping its wings, like a bird; it also had claws for grabbing opponents, twin machine guns and could be summoned by radio. However, Martier was killed while testing it, and Davy inherited both the plane and a uniform, which had apparently been in the friar's family since the French Revolution. Davy soon christened himself "Airboy", and in his seemingly sentient new plane, "Birdie", helped the Allies during World War II.

Airboy confronted such weird antagonists as the mysterious Misery – whose mould-encrusted Airtomb imprisoned the souls of dead pilots – and his bad girl nemesis, Valkyrie, a whip-wielding German aviator clad in jodhpurs and riding boots. She led the crack all-female flying squad the Airmaidens before defecting and becoming an ally after witnessing the cruelty of superior Herr Oberst towards her charges. Other opponents included the hideously deformed Nazi fanatic the Black Ace and immortal CroMagnon occultist Zzed. Allies included the prototypical comic book swamp monster, the Heap, a World War I German aviator transformed into a shambling creature after crashing in a bog.

The other Air Fighters were a host of colourful heroic Allied pilots – the wolf-cowled Skywolf and his unit, consisting of a Cockney known as Cocky Roche, overage Royal Air Force veteran the Judge and Morse code-communicating mute Free Pole The Turtle, who all flew combining 'semi-planes' and fought the cyborg Half-Man; the vengeful Flying Dutchman, who warred with the Deathless Brain, the cerebrum of an English-speaking Imperial Japanese Army officer that operated out of a jar equipped with tentacles; the blaze-depilated Bald Eagle and his fatalistically-named 'Flying Coffin' plane; the improbably armour-suited Iron Eagle and his similarly ironclad but still flightworthy plane, who battled Nazi arson enthusiast Firebug; and English aristocrat Black Angel, who operated out of a secret hangar in her castle with partner Black Prince, with whom she fought the sadistic Baroness Blood and the son of Grigori Rasputin.

Eclipse Comics
While editing Pierce the collection, Cat Yronwode – then editor-in-chief of Eclipse Comics – discovered that the copyright to the Air Fighters characters expired in 1986. She and Eclipse publisher Dean Mullaney planned to revive the characters, and sat on the information for four years in the hope that other publishers would not discover the lapse. As a result the Air Fighters cast became one of the few properties the company apparently owned, with the remainder being creator-owned. However, unlike properties owned by the American major publishers of the period the creative staff of Airboy would retain ownership of their work, and any additional characters created for the series.

Timothy Truman was approached to write and draw the new series on the basis of his success with Scout for Eclipse; a fan of the originals, he readily agreed. However, when Truman's friend Chuck Dixon heard Airboy was being revived he was determined to be involved, and would end up writing the series. Mullaney, Yronwode, Truman and Dixon worked together on the initial idea, and opted to update the action to the present day and have Davy Nelson III, son of the original Airboy, take over his father's legacy. Supporting characters Valkyrie, Misery and Skywolf were all included, while Truman updated Hirota – a Japanese pilot who was the first 'kill' for Nelson Sr. during  Air Fighters to now serve as his batman and tutor to his son. While the costumes of Airboy, Misery, the Heap and Valkyrie remained largely unchanged, Skywolf was updated to have a more modern costume – Yronwode would describe the wolf-pelt original look as "the dumbest costume ever invented" – and now piloted an AH-64 Apache attack helicopter. Realising Valkyrie's plunging neckline and sultry looks were an important draw, Dixon devised a storyline where she was kept in suspended animation by the villain Misery, allowing her to remain youthful while also providing a plausible reason for David Nelson II's fall from grace. He briefly considered omitting Airboy's possibly sentient aircraft Birdie as it was too far fetched but ultimately Truman persuaded him it was part of the character's charm, likening it to the Batmobile. The update to the modern day allowed Dixon to have the Air Fighters' escapades reference the Cold War foreign policy of both the USA and the USSR, albeit through thinly-veiled fictional countries.

Airboy was initially published in an innovative format of a 50c bi-weekly consisting of 16 pages, allowing Eclipse to undercut Marvel and DC (a typical 32-page colour comic from "the Big Two" cost 75c). It would alternate with another bi-weekly 16-page title, The New Wave, as part of Eclipse's plan to build a connected fictional universe; the Heap was planned to be the common denominator for the two titles. Airboy launched to strong sales. As planned, after two issues Truman stepped down as artist to be replaced by Stan Woch; Truman would however remain as the series' editor. Among the cover artists were Truman, Paul Gulacy, Dave Stevens (who got to draw the cover for the third issue, which announced Valkyrie's return to consciousness) However the 50c price was deemed unsustainable, and from #9 the title was priced at $1.25, though unlike The New Wave (which was soon to be cancelled) it remained bi-weekly. The new expanded format saw Skywolf receive his own back-up feature from #9, written by Dixon. Initially this featured art from Larry Elmore before he handed over to Tom Lyle (pencils) and Romeo Tanghal (inks) from #12 onwards. However, Woch felt the schedule was causing a drop in the quality of his work and left; Bo Hampton drew two issues before Ron Randall took over as regular artist. Airboy #25 spotlighted concerns about California's environment, leading to mainstream news coverage of the issue on CNN, while #28 set up crossover one-shot ''Airboy-Mr. Monster Special, pairing the characters with Michael T. Gilbert's Mr. Monster''.

Valkyrie remained a popular attraction for both readers and creators, and in May 1987 the character received a three-issue spin-off limited series, with art by Gulacy. Capitalising on her sex appeal, each issue featured pinups from popular artists including Brian Bolland, Steve Leialoha, Brent Anderson and Bruce Jones, as well as a new piece by original Hillman artist Fred Kida.; the series was soon collected in a trade paperback, Valkyrie – Prisoner of the Past, with a new painted cover from Gulacy, and was followed by the one-shot sequel the Air Maidens Special, featuring art from Elmore. Dixon however was finding his attempts to set up 4Winds and launch new titles Strike! and Winterworld were consuming his time, and from #33 Airboy switched to a monthly schedule. This change did however mean that Woch agreed to return as artist, while Dan Spiegle took over art duties for the Skywolf back-up feature from Airboy #34.

To make up for the reduced schedule, Eclipse started the reprint series Air Fighters Classics, reprinting Hillman material. Despite the 1940s material depicting the Japanese in an offensive manner for propaganda reasons, the publisher chose not to censor the series. However, the original negatives for the material were lost, and as a result Eclipse had to strike new masters from vintage issues.

The characters also appeared in a crossover with Dixon's Strike!, the D-Day-set The Airfighters Meet Sgt. Strike Special. A further spin-off, a limited series focusing on the Heap and written by Swamp Thing co-creator Len Wein, was mooted but instead appeared as a back-up in Airboy #38–40, featuring art from Carmine Infantino. Skywolf would graduate to his own Vietnam War-set three issue mini-series in 1988, written by the prolific Dixon and drawn by Lyle, while Valkyrie would also receive a second mini after the previous year's success, with Anderson joining as artist. Further spin-offs were the one-shots Target: Airboy., Airmaidens vs. Airboy. (which Yronwode would describe as "the closest Eclipse comes to an annual Swimsuit special" ) and a crossover with Truman's Prowler characters in Airboy Meets The Prowler.

By this stage Airboy was firmly established as one of Eclipse's most popular characters, and the Air Fighters would occupy major roles in Eclipse's tenth-anniversary mini-series Total Eclipse, which also saw Hillman villain Zzed revived as the antagonist. However, the output for the character would soon rapidly dwindle. While Air Fighters Classics continued to sell well but would stall for several months while Eclipse searched for a copy of Air Fighters Comics (Vol. 1) #6. A planned Airboy Graphic Album intended to bridge the gap between the Hillman and Eclipse material was instead reworked as the contents of Airboy #46–49, a storyline named "The Diary of Airboy" and featuring Ernie Colón as artist afer Woch again left

The title began to suffer delays; the double-sized Airboy #50 featured Andy Kubert on pencils, Adam Kubert on inks and a Joe Kubert cover, and appeared four months after #49. Inside it included a text piece from Yronwode taking up the letters page informing readers it would be the last issue "for the foreseeable future", listing difficulties in finding a suitable artist to replace Woch full-time as Colón had proved too slow, falling sales and alleged controversy over the book's political controversy. With Airboy "on hiatus" related titles were also halted, with Air Fighters Classics and a mooted Skywolf one-shot with art from Alberto Maldonato.

While Eclipse would issue the trade paperback The Return of Valkyrie, reprinting Airboy #1–5 with a cover from Jim Steranko, Dixon moved onto other projects including Merchants of Death and the company's adaptation of J. R. R. Tolkien's The Hobbit as the publisher moved away from ongoing comics. No new material featuring Airboy or his supporting characters appeared before Eclipse went out of business in 1995.

Plot
After the conclusion of World War II, David Nelson II continued to work as a freelance pilot and mercenary for a time, but he eventually retired from combat flying and stored Birdie in a barn outside his California estate. He had a son, whom he named David Nelson III, and founded an aircraft manufacturing company, through which he became very wealthy. In the mid-1980s, David Nelson II was assassinated by mercenaries from the South American nation of Bogantilla. When David Nelson III discovered that his father had been assassinated, he began to investigate the circumstances which had led up to his father's death. He soon discovered his father's mothballed plane and uniform and teamed up with a number of the surviving Air Fighters to face many of the same enemies as David Nelson II, as well as South American dictators, Soviets, pirates and corporate criminals.

Reception
Reception to the revival was largely positive. In 1987, Amazing Heroes reviewer R.A. Jones listed it as one of the 10 best titles of the previous year, calling it "a captivating action-adventure strip". Don Thompson meanwhile lauded the fast pacing, while Roger Zelazny was also positive. Martin A. Stever reviewed the title in Space Gamer/Fantasy Gamer No. 83. Stever commented that "the key to this book's success has been the balance Dixon has stuck between adventure, humor, mystery, and romance. This, along with break-neck pacing and plenty of action in every issue have made Airboy a monthly even I look forward to".

The 1987 Valkyrie mini-series received a positive review Darwin McPherson in Amazing Heroes, describing it as "a fun read" even if he felt characterisation was light. However in the same magazine Gary D. Robinson was more reserved about Airboy #50, questioning the need to make the hero so flawed.

McFarlane Productions
Eclipse's intellectual property rights were later acquired by Todd McFarlane for a total of $25,000. The purchase was widely rumoured to be entirely motivated by the then-common belief it included the rights to another Eclipse title, Miracleman At the time it was also widely believed it included the rights to Airboy too, and in 1998 McFarlane produced a one-shot called Total Eclipse featuring radically redesigned versions of the characters in his art style. Only the Heap would go on to any further appearances in McFarlane's work, making occasional guest appearances in Spawn.

Moonstone Books
However, it was later learned that the trademark for Airboy had expired when Eclipse folded, and that despite Mullaney and Yronwode indicating otherwise in interviews to prevent rivals from using the character, the remainder of the Air Fighters canon remained in the public domain. As a result in 2007 Moonstone Books announced plans to revive the World War II version of the character in new stories written by Chuck Dixon. However, the revival did not see print until March 2009, when Moonstone released the one-shot Airboy – 1942: Best of Enemies, followed by two issues of anthology Airfighters in 2010, with a variety of creators including Dixon and Tom DeFalco, and the one-shots Airboy Presents: Air Vixens and Airboy/G8, a crossover with fellow vintage comics aviator G-8 The Moonstone material, which featured black-and-white interior art, was later collected in the trade paperback Airboy and the Airfighters – Dangerous Liaisons, which also included the previously-unprinted 30-page story "Insurrection", originally planned as one-shot Airfighters: L'Hospital St. Blaise.

Antarctic Press
The character next resurfaced at Antarctic Press in 2012, again featuring the Golden Age version of the character. The five-issue mini-series Airboy: Deadeye was co-written by Dixon with Gianluca Piredda, with art from Antarctic founder Ben Dunn.

Image Comics
Image Comics began publishing a new Airboy comic in 2014, written by James Robinson and illustrated by Greg Hinkle. The metafictional four-issue series begins with fictionalised versions of Robinson and Hinkle engaging in an orgy of drink, drugs and sex while trying to find the inspiration to write a new Airboy series, only for the "real" Airboy to enter their world, much to the clean-cut character's horror. The series was attacked by GLAAD and others for its transphobia.

IDW Publishing
While the Hillman intellectual property is in the public domain under the conditions of his Eclipse contract Dixon and the other creators on the 1980s version of the title retained copyright to their work, and as such Dixon and Truman were able to coordinate a series of reprints for IDW Publishing. Airboy Archives ran through five volumes, reprinting all of the Eclipse material bar the main story of Total Eclipse (which featured numerous characters whose copyright was held by others – most notably Miracleman, who had recently been acquired by Marvel Comics and the special Target: Airboy (which had featured Clint from Don Chin's Adolescent Radioactive Black Belt Hamsters). Dixon edited the collection, and arranged the various mini-series and specials in their intended reading order.

It's Alive
Dixon then collaborated with Drew Ford of It's Alive Press to raised funds via crowdfunding website Indiegogo to continue the story from where Airboy #50 left off. After reaching its first goal Airboy #51, introducing appeared in October 2019, featuring art by Brent McKee  and variant covers by Paul Gulacy, Jim Steranko, Graham Nolan, Don Perlin, Matt Kindt, Andrew MacLean, Dalibor Talajić and Emma Kubert. Airboy #52 was published in August 2022, drawn by Stipe Kalajzic. Ford's sudden death in October 2022 led to the shutdown of It's Alive Press.

Legacy
Valkyrie was ranked 45th in Comics Buyer's Guide's "100 Sexiest Women in Comics" list.

Homages

 * The first volume in the Wild Cards novel series edited by George R.R. Martin includes a character called Jetboy, an Airboy analogue created by Howard Waldrop who wanted to write an Airboy story.
 * The lead character of publisher America's Best Comics' graphic novel Top 10: The Forty-Niners is Jetlad, whom historian Jess Nevins calls, "an analogue of Charles Biro's teenaged aviator Airboy".

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Talk:List of Canberra suburbs

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What would peoples thoughts be on moving the information on the List of postcodes in the Australian Capital Territory page onto this page and redirecting the postcodes page to here. I can't see that the postcodes page is any use, and it is very incomplete. I would be willing to copy the information over if people agreed.

So the list would look something like:

Belconnen

 * Aranda (2614)
 * Belconnen (2617) - Belconnen Town Centre
 * Bruce (2617)
 * Charnwood (2615) - Charnwood Centre

Martyman 08:45, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * We could. I'd sooner see the postcard page redirected here, rather than merged. Does anyone care about having postcodes in an encyclopedia? Ambi 09:08, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I just looked it up and found a bunch of them for other countries - Lists of postal codes Cfitzart 05:10, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Changed Districts
I added a South Canberra district and moved a few other suburbs around. I feel that the list now more accurately matches the actual districts in Canberra. Unlike bigger cities that have local government for districts and therefore legal definitions, Canberra's districts only serve as geographical identifiers. Martyman 10:58, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I just got them from that official site (operated by the ACT government, I think?). Strangely, I can't find the URL at the moment. Ambi 11:22, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Yeah, actually I have found the districts listed differently using the same base map on different ACT government webpages. I am not sure there are very strong rules about them. For example some sites list north and south canberra as Cenral Canberra. It seems very strange to me to refer to any suburbs South of Lake Burley Griffin as North Canberra. I would trust the tables you get to after clicking through the (incorectly labled) maps here . Martyman 11:36, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Commercial Centres naming conventions
I posted the text below on the Griffith, Australian Capital Territory talk page. Without typing it out again, I think the issue also applies to some other centres on the Canberra suburbs list. A naming convention would be useful and it may be that the wikilinks to centres listed on this page should be changed but they also need to be changed wherever else wikilinks appear.

''The Manuka Centre wikilink has been changed. I think we should try to achieve some consistency with the naming of these. On the List of Canberra suburbs page, these appear as Manuka centre and Kingston centre, however Dickson Centre is named 'Dickson Centre, Australian Capital Territory'. I think AYArktos has the right idea and 'Manuka, Australian Capital Territory' is the way to go, but we should maybe agree on a naming convention and change the Kingston, Australian Capital Territory and List of Canberra suburbs accordingly.''

Adz 23:41, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't think Manuka is ever called Manuka Centre. I feel that anything to be said about the Kingston shops should be able to be said in the suburb article.  I am surprised that the Dickson centre needs a separate article and couldn't be merged with the suburb article too but otherwise am happy with its name.--AYArktos 02:42, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

In relation to developing stubs for centres, showing currently as bolded redlinks, I am really concerned that we might spread ourselves too thin with a plethora of stubs, particularly if we try to do articles for centres separately to the main suburb article. Could we please do redirects from the centre name to the suburb article and include the content in the suburb article until two articles are justified by the amount of content. Manuka is different as it is a business district that falls across suburb boundaries and was very much a separate entity to the residential suburbs. There is also now enough content to justify a separate article.--AYArktos 01:41, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry for taking a while to get back to you AYArktos. I think I generally agree with you, although I think that we shoud keep the Town Centres separate and not roll them into the suburb (eg. Tuggeranong should not roll into Greenway). I think Philip is an exception because there isn't much to Philip outside the town centre (if you consider the bit south of Hindmarsh Drive to also be part of the town centre). Additionally, I think we should keep any group centre articles which already exist, and we should mark in bold and suburbs which also contain group centres. (This also leads me to wonder whether we should list the suburbs under the group centres they are located near, but this could get messy). Lets wait to see if anybody else has an opinion, and if not, then go ahead and make the changes.
 * Adz 10:46, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's an issue with spreading ourselves too thin, but I think a common sense approach might be best in this instance, deciding each example on its merits. There's some town centres, such as Dickson and Philip, that really don't make sense as being seperate from their respective suburbs, while there's some, such as Tuggeranong, that really don't make much sense unless they are seperate. Ambi 11:03, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree that group centres should not necessarily have their own article. And Town centres could also be dealt with in the district article, or the suburb article. But I also agree that there is merit in being able to wikilink from suburb articles to the group and town centres that service the suburb. Martyman 11:23, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I started making the Belconnen centres consistent with this by adding ..., Australian Capital Territory to the links but Ambi keeps reverting my changes. She also reverted a redirect from Jamison Centre to Macquarie which discusses the centre while there is currently no separate article and probably doesn't warrant one. It would appear we need to come to a more specific consensus as I hate all this unwarranted reversion of attempts to tighten the Canberra project articles. Garglebutt / (talk) 00:38, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I think we should stick to the Australian place naming convention for places including shopping centres. That is the Tuggeranong Town Centre should be named  the Tuggeranong Town Centre, Australian Capital Territory.  I don't understand the rationale for inconsistency in this.  As above I would really rather see content about group centres develop within the suburb article in the first instance.  Manuka is not wholly within any one suburb.  Major town centres including Belconnen, Tuggeranong, ... seem to justify their own articles.  The Dickson Centre article I think would be better merged with the Dickson suburb article.  Jamison centre to my mind does not warrant a separate article from the suburb of Macquarie; neither a redlink nor a redirect is required.--AYArktos 00:51, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * We have plenty of shopping centre articles; I see no reason why there shouldn't be an article on Jamison Centre, and in that case, it should be redlinked. I have no opinion either way on adding the suffix to Tuggeranong and Belconnen Town Centres, but I do strongly object to adding it to shopping centres - nowhere else in the world on Wikipedia does that. Ambi 01:01, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I wrote the Macquarie article and the Jamison Centre content in it. I see no validity in spliting what is already a fairly short article into two even smaller articles. Why do we have differing naming conventions based on arbitrary definitions of whether Dickson and Manuka are shopping areas or not? More importantly, how come one person has nominated themselves arbitrator in this. Garglebutt / (talk) 02:15, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * If you don't like Macquarie being a short article, write more for it. The links to the shopping centres on this list have been there since the beginning precisely because it was thought they could make good articles, and I resent your declaring yourself arbitrator and declaring otherwise. We have naming conventions for suburbs, which have long been set, and we have naming conventions for shopping centres. The town centres are an area of dispute because they're neither, hence why we're discussing it here. Ambi 02:19, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I have a question in response to Ambi's comments in the voting section below. I think the issue - from my perspective is that some of the 'shopping centres' aren't just shopping centres, but also 'localities' - even though they don't necessarilly (as in the case of manuka) line up with a suburb map. Given that some group centres are 'localities' and not just 'shopping centres' why shouldn't 'localities' follow the same convention as suburbs? (Dickson isn't just a shopping centre, but a collection of streets with commercial activity, as is Jamison for that matter - the area to the east of the shopping centre itself contains several stores, a nursery, etc). I'll wait for an answer to the question and give it some more thought before voting. Adz 03:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I have no issue at all with the localities - that makes a lot of sense, and to do otherwise would be being overly arbitrary. It's the things like Kippax Fair that shouldn't (which was one of the ones being renamed); Jamison Centre I've never actually been to - but if it's a locality, then fine. Ambi 10:48, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Vote for Commercial Centre naming convention
1. The proposal is that references to commercial centres, be they shopping centres such as Jamison or Kippax or more general areas such as Belconnen, Dickson and Manuka, be consistently named centre name, Australian Capital Territory.

2. Where the centre is sufficiently small or not noteworthy enough to substantiate a separate article, any references should point back to the suburb rather than redlinked.

Agree - Let's end this debate and get on with producing a well structured group of articles. Garglebutt / (talk) 02:28, 5 September 2005 (UTC) Agree--AYArktos 02:39, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Disagree. Everywhere else in the world on Wikipedia has shopping centres at their normal name. This includes the rest of Australia. I really don't see the point of having a naming convention that is used only in one city and opposes the one used everywhere else - and doing that only because one user got impatient. Saying that this debate is halting article writing is a nonsense (as what else have I been doing all morning?); let us work it out now. Ambi 02:50, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I see that despite the comments on your user page, you continue to be overly involved in wikipolitics: Australian Wikipedians' notice board. Incorrectly naming me as suggesting a change to naming conventions when this page confirms otherwise is somewhat defamatory and reinforces my opinion on who is wasting time here. Garglebutt / (talk) 03:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * You're suggesting a change. At the moment, we don't add the suffix to shopping centres or redirect them to broader articles. You're suggesting that we should. Regardless of one's opinion on that, if implemented, it would equal a change. Ambi 10:58, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I think I agree and disagree' with Garglebutt. To clarify I'm opposed to have the shopping centres as articles at all, except in the case of Canberra's town centres. I would prefer if something like the Jamison Centre was simply a redirect to Macquarie and the Kingston shops to Kingston the suburb and so on, and discussed in the subrubs article. Unless there are multiple shopping centres with the same name, then I don't think the article name needs the ACT qualifer, we should be able to keep track of them by way of cateogries.--nixie 03:18, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll assume that is a Disagree for 1. and a qualified Agree for 2. Garglebutt / (talk) 03:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * That's about right. Something like Manuka needs to be Manuka, ACT since Manuka is also a common name for a NZ tree species should have the ACT qualifier.--nixie 03:51, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * No disagreement from me there. Ambi 04:06, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

disagree with #1, agree with #2. But it doesnt really bother me either way. I think you should only add the ACT on the end when theres a chance of it being confused with somewhere else in the world, names should be as simple as possible generally. I think with #2 all links should point to the suburb, until the centre within the article develops where its large enough to warrant a new article. Actually maybe the best thing to do would be to take out the centre links completely from the suburbs page - it is supposed to be a list of suburbs, not shopping centres after all. Cfitzart 04:21, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of having the commercial centres outlined there as well - I'm prepared to write articles for all of them ASAP if this is an issue. Ambi 04:32, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

1. Don't care, 2. Agree. I think the usefulness of these articles is diluted if the information is spread too thin. Martyman 04:53, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree with nixie and Cfitzart. That is to say, I don't think shopping centres require a clause, but neither do I think they require their own articles. They should be written about in their respective suburbs and only in their own articles if there is enough information to justify them.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 08:23, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Qualified agree to both. I think that if makes sense for localities to have an 'Australian Capital Territory' suffix (such as Manuka, Dickson, Jamison). I'm less fussed about shopping centres, but if it's going to cause inconsistency as Ambi said, then I'm less in favour, but won't get tied up in knots over it. On the second proposal, I think that redlinks should be taken care of. I think the preferred way of doing this is to redirect as it allows/encourages people to fill out the 'missing articles'. That said, I think that Kaleen for example should not be a separate article as it is only a shopping centre and should be rolled in with the suburb. In this case, I think Kaleen should appear in bold to indicate that it is a group centre in addition to being a suburb. Adz 11:15, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Agree with proposals 1 and 2. I don't understand why the Australian place naming convention doesn't apply to shopping centres. In terms of whether something merits an article or not - I am always prepared to be pleasantly surprised but I would be disappointed if only stubs were produced in order to get rid of the redlink. I feel sure there are more interesting things to write about. Cyberjunkie's comment that shopping centres should be written about in their respective suburbs and only in their own articles if there is enough information to justify them seems to capture the majority opinion. (I think Adz means Kippax rather than Kaleen - Kaleen is a residential suburb, Kippax is in Holt I think).--AYArktos 11:21, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * You already said you agreed above. Firstly, the suburb naming convention is for just that, suburbs. What next - Melbourne Central, Victoria? Sydney Opera House, New South Wales? Secondly, where is the harm on having articles about shopping centres? I find them interesting, and I'm sure I'm not the only one - they tend to survive VFD these days for that very reason. I'm fine with incorporating them into the article if it's a case like Kingston shops, but to do it where it is a seperate entity like Kippax Fair is taking mergism too far. Ambi 11:52, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I think this has gone far enough to confirm that we shouldn't change the naming standard for commercial centres, but unless they are sufficiently interesting to warrant a separate article, such as Dickson and Manuka, rolling them into the suburb article and directing references there is valid. Garglebutt / (talk) 12:35, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

North Lyneham
I've put a link to north lyneham in the suburbs page, because everyone who lives there thinks of it as separate to Lyneham (the link redirects to Lyneham, I wanted to redirect to the part of the article with the heading n.lyneham, dunno how to do it). "North lyneham" has 791 google hits btw 10:12, 7 September 2005 Cfitzart
 * I've revised the link to jump to the North Lyneham section. Garglebutt / (talk) 00:29, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Unless North Lyneham is actually its own statistical local area, I don't think it should have its own article.--nixie 00:31, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

 * How_to_edit_a_page states "Note that, while it is possible to link to a section, it is not possible to redirect to a section. For example, " #REDIRECT United Nations " will redirect to the United Nations page, but not to any particular section on it. This feature will not be implemented in the future, so such redirects should not be used." Garglebutt's link is of course on this page listing suburbs not on a redirect page. The principle with redirects is "no surprises". I can't think anyone would be surprised if they were redirected from North Lyneham to Lyneham. Regards--AYArktos 00:35, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I concur with nixie that North Lyneham should not have its own article and think itis appropriately placed as a section within the Lyneham article. I appreciate there are very different characteristics between the two areas.  That applies also to other suburbs, for example old Red Hill (heritage area) and new Red Hill (post 1960) and "upper" and "lower" Narrabundah.--AYArktos 00:39, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I think Cfitzart used the wrong terminology which has caused some confusion. It is within the Lyneham article. Cfitzart just wanted it separately mentioned and linked in the List of suburbs which has been done. Garglebutt / (talk) 03:21, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes thats what I meant, sorry I didnt explain myself very clearly there, thanks for correcting the link. Cfitzart 08:02, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Planned suburbs
I notice that Astrokey44 has helpfully marked the suburbs which, though surveyed, haven't yet been opened. What about Forde, though? I'm not sure if construction has started, but it was opened up for development this year (Harrison appears to be similar, but it isn't marked as such). And what's the situation with Crace? Ambi 14:05, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

According to the map ive got theres a whole lot of nothing in Forde, and Crace has only nature reserve and radio stations. Harrison on the other hand has quite alot of streets. The map is 2005, but it might still be out of date. regards, Astrokey44 00:59, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Swinger hill
It looks like it should be part of Mawson, because it is on the other side of Hindmarsh drive and Athlon drive along with the rest of Mawson. It would probaly make more sense if it were part of Mawson. However, Swinger hill is actually in Philip. (looking at the street directory) Astrokey44 00:53, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed - I have reverted - apologies. I did check the phone book and Swinger Hill businesses think they are part of Mawson but .... --AYArktos 01:21, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I think youre right about the shops though, well Im only looking from the map, never been there, but they are just over the little red line, in Mawson. Maybe thats the shops called Swinger hill shops? (doesnt give a name on the map) Astrokey44 01:36, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * If you have broadband you might find this website handy . i think you need to search by street name, although I haven't had a play around with it so not sure. It shows suburb and district boundaries and allows you to zoon in to street level. - I doubt it will have names of shops though. Adz 04:20, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Its a nice site, the ones I meant were in block 2 of this map (at the top) Astrokey44 04:51, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I think the problem here is that swinger hill is not an official ACT suburb. According to the ACT government naming conventions any Estate Names have no legal standing. Therefore it is not to surprising that swinger hill does not neatly line up with any suburb boundries. The majority of housing is in Philip and it would appear that the shops fall accross the boundry in Mawson. Does Swinger Hill actuallt require it's own article? Martyman 02:02, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

An amazing number of blue links
There has obviously been a great deal of activity going on recently judging by the change of hue on this page. Congratulations--AYArktos 12:11, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Full points to Astrokey44 for kicking this off - hopefully they'll be developed somewhat faster now. It'd be nice if somewhat could give them a bit of a look over though - there's a few grammar issues that need to be cleaned up (like uncapitalised street names). Ambi 12:27, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

table / grid of Canberra suburbs added
Howdy All. A table/grid of Canberra suburbs has been added at List of suburbs of Canberra/table. The quick primer on using it is this: Ideally everything in columns 1, 2, 5, and 6 should be blue; and everything in columns 3 and 4 should either be red, or if it is blue it should be checked to make sure that it is either a redirect page, or a disambig page that includes a link to the Canberra suburb of the same name, or includes a "see also" link to the Canberra suburb of that name. Canberra is in very good shape (everything in col 1 is blue, there is nothing in cols 5 and 6, only a few redirects in col 2 need to be added, nothing needs to be done in col 3, and only a handful of things need to be checked in col 4). Hope this is useful to you! -- All the best, Nickj (t) 04:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * This is quite helpful, but it'd be nice if it were moved out of the article space; could it be moved to a subpage of the talk page? I'm also a bit confused as to why, say, Acton, Australia shouldn't redirect to Acton, Australian Capital Territory or be a disambiguation page; this seems like a potentially helpful redirect to me. Ambi 06:29, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Gilmore, Australia is a duplicate of Gilmore, Australian Capital Territory --Martyman- (talk) 07:48, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * By all means, add the Acton, Australia → Acton, Australian Capital Territory style redirects if you think they're helpful (only reason to exclude it was to cut down on the level of work for you folks). Also it's no problem moving the grid page (I just picked somewhere and hoped it would be OK - there was no real logic to it), so please feel free to move it to a more suitable location. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 00:09, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I have moved the table into the Canberra wikiprject namespace at WikiProject Canberra/Suburbs/Table. Just a quick question. What are columns 5 and 6 meant to show? Thanks, --Martyman- (talk) 00:40, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Columns 5 and 6 and for showing suburbs with North / South / East / West in their name, but the other way around; So for example if there was such a suburb as "North Acton, Australian Capital Territory", then columns 5 and 6 would show "Acton North" and "Acton North, Australian Capital Territory" respectively. The reason for this is that from Sydney I've found that many places with a point-of-compass-name are also known in the reverse order (e.g. some people call it "Strathfield South", others call it "South Strathfield"). This frequently leads to either red links (when the articles actually do exist, just under the other name), or to duplicated articles (due to different people using different names). The best way to avoid this is to have one article / stub at the official name, with redirects at these alternate names pointing to the correct name. Canberra however doesn't have any suburbs of this type, so in this case those columns are empty - but if you want to see an example of them being used, please see List of Sydney suburbs/table. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 22:36, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks for that, makes much more sense now. --Martyman- (talk) 01:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Divisions
Looking at the www.gim.act.gov.au, some districts show differently to what is indicated in this artlcle, Firstly what our article calls Districts, ACT government call Divisions. ACT gov Districts correspoond to suburbs. In the detail, particularly, Hume, Symonston and Oaks Estate are in Jerrabombera. Pialligo is in Majura. North Canberra and South Canberra are together known as Central Canberra. Hall is its own Division. Tharwa is in Paddys River. GB 03:20, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Comedian Harmonists

(Older discussion)
If I'm not mistaken, the song "Hallo, was machst Du heut', Daisy?" is the German language version of "You - You're Driving Me Crazy" (you can listen to a 1930 English language version at http://www.pcdon.com/page90.html . Currently this title seems to have been translated back into English as "Hello, What Are You Doing Today, Daisy?". As I said, if I'm not mistaken. Is that intended? Should we leave it like that?  08:51, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * "Hallo, was machst Du heut', Daisy?" is listed as such on multiple Comedian Harmonist CDs currently available (e.g., and ). I'm guessing it's intended based on that. Simoes 15:34, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I don't understand any part of your answer. I know the German language song and its title very well, and have never doubted that it is correct. But what does "It's intended based on that" mean?

 * To give another example, the TV series The Avengers was called Mit Schirm, Charme und Melone in the version dubbed in German. Would it make any sense to translate that back into With Umbrella, Charm, and Bowler Hat?  19:41, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC)

 * Absolutely not. In fact I am not sure that English translations of the German titles are helpful at all, really. And they are rather clunky; I mean to say, "Veronika, de Lenz ist da" becomes Veronika, Spring is here. Not very lyrical is it.  Time to do a bit of improvement, I think. Afterbrunel (talk) 17:07, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

" Erich Collin, who joined the group in 1929 as a replacement for the original second tenor Walter Nüssbaum, besides acting as the secretary of the group (he spoke seven languages) had a musicianship which allowed him to secure the most awkward and crucial harmonic moments with complete accuracy, whilst the silver-voiced Ari Leschnikoff quickly became a household name for his ability to sing a top part out of the reach of most comparable tenors: he was said to be able to sing a top F on the treble stave without using any falsetto." It is a quiet long sentence, isn't it? Can somebody change it? 84.56.212.64 00:33, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

after the war
it would be interesting to know if the members reconciled after the war, or if that was even necessary - were the non-jewish members pro-hitler at all? Even if not, were there bad feelings because of the split, and the replacements, etc?

To me, the story of how they individually handled the aftermath, their feelings about each other, what they did until their deaths, etc. would be more interesting than the story of them together as a group. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jafafa Hots (talk • contribs)

Cross language linking
there exist articles in the German version of Wikipedia that offer brief biographies of the members of the group. Can those be brought to the English side or should a link be established to the more-likely-to-be-maintained German version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.200.128.10 (talk) 17:22, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

History section removed
An anon tagged the article with, and so I fixed the problem by removing the history section, which was probably the main attractor of the tag. It's unfortunate that there is no widespread biographical material on the group. Simões ( talk/contribs ) 00:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Why cleanup

 * no wikilinks
 * style issues Manderiko 03:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism?
I think the correct name of the band was "Das Meistersextett", not "Meistersexxxtett". --92.227.141.226 (talk) 09:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ . DTBone (talk) 16:08, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Fear of internment
The article currently contains the unsourced statement "Fearing internment if they stayed abroad, however, they eventually returned home amid bitter internal disputes." Where does this come from? And what internment were they afraid of? They were in a number of countries, such as the US, who I don't think had any internment for foreigners. (Not until Internment of Japanese Americans, which was only much later. I know that the US didn't make it easy for Jews to immigrate; even Einstein got so frustrated that he lost his temper, saying "If I am to enter your country as a suspect, I don't want to go at all."(Walter Isaacson: Einstein, his life and universe, Simon & Schuster, 2008, p. 400) - but that was mainly because of the Red Scare.) — Sebastian 00:39, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The text was inserted by user:Peterworsley in this edit. — Sebastian 00:41, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

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