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Todd Helton

Todd Lynn Helton (born August 20, 1973) is an American former professional baseball first baseman who played his entire 17-year career for the Colorado Rockies of Major League Baseball (MLB). A five-time All-Star, four-time Silver Slugger, and three-time Gold Glove Award winner, Helton holds the Rockies' club records for hits (2,519), home runs (369), doubles (592), walks (1,335), runs scored (1,401), runs batted in (RBIs, with 1,406), games played (2,247), and total bases (4,292), among others.

Each season from 1999 to 2004, Helton met or exceeded all of the following totals: .320 batting average, 39 doubles, 30 home runs, 107 runs scored, 96 RBI, .577 slugging percentage and .981 on-base plus slugging. In 2000, he won the batting title with a .372 average, and also led MLB with a .698 slugging percentage, 59 doubles, and 147 RBI and the National League with 216 hits. Helton collected his 2,000th career hit against the Atlanta Braves on May 19, 2009, and his 2,500th against the Cincinnati Reds on September 1, 2013. He was elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame in 2024.

High school
Helton attended Central High School in Knoxville, Tennessee, and was a letterman in football and baseball. In football, he posted 2,772 total yards as quarterback. In baseball, as a senior, Helton posted a .655 batting average and 12 home runs and was named the Regional Player of the Year. Baseball America also bestowed on him All-American honors for his senior season. Helton was drafted in the 2nd round (55th overall) by the San Diego Padres during the 1992 MLB draft. He did not sign and chose to attend college.

University of Tennessee
Helton received an athletic scholarship from the University of Tennessee to play both football and baseball. He was named a Gatorade Player of the Year for football and baseball in Tennessee. As a freshman and sophomore, he backed up Heath Shuler at quarterback. Entering his junior season in 1994, he was the back-up to senior Jerry Colquitt and ahead of Peyton Manning (then a true freshman). After Colquitt tore knee ligaments in the season opener at UCLA, Helton took over as the starter. Three weeks later against Mississippi State, he suffered a knee injury and was replaced by Manning, who went on to break several records. Helton appeared in 12 games during his career with the Vols football team, completing 41 of 75 passes for 484 yards, four touchdowns and three interceptions.

In baseball, Helton was awarded the Dick Howser Trophy as National Collegiate Baseball Player of the Year, following his junior baseball season in 1995. During his career at Tennessee (1993–1995), he recorded a .370 batting average, with 38 home runs and 238 RBI (both school records), while also pitching 193 innings, registering an ERA of 2.24, with 172 strikeouts and 23 saves. In 1995, he set the Tennessee saves record with 11, while posting a 0.89 ERA. Helton also has the NCAA Division I record for most consecutive scoreless innings, at 47.

Helton spent the summer of 1994 playing for the Orleans Cardinals of the Cape Cod Baseball League (CCBL), where he was named a league all-star. He was inducted into the CCBL Hall of Fame in 2024.

Draft and debut
Helton was the eighth overall pick of the 1995 Major League Baseball draft, selected in the first round by the Colorado Rockies, and signed on August 1, 1995. He spent the next two years in the minor leagues, playing for the class-A Asheville Tourists, AA New Haven Ravens, and AAA Colorado Springs Sky Sox before moving up to the majors. Helton made his major-league debut in 1997 on August 2, a 6–5 road loss to the Pittsburgh Pirates. He started in left field, flied out in his first at-bat, singled in his next time up off Francisco Córdova, and hit a solo home run off Marc Wilkins.

1997–1999: Early career
During the 1997 season, Helton hit .280/.337/.484 (batting average, on-base percentage, slugging percentage), with five home runs, in 35 games played. When Rockies first baseman Andrés Galarraga went to the Atlanta Braves in 1998, Helton became the full-time starter at first base for Colorado during the 1998 season. The Rockies named Helton their club representative in 1998, the first time the team ever gave a rookie that role. He hit .315/.380/.530, with 25 home runs and 97 RBI, in 152 games played. Helton led all major-league rookies in average (.315), home runs (25), RBI (97), multi-hit games (49), total bases (281), slugging percentage (.530) and extra base hits (63). He also led all National League rookies in runs (78), hits (167) and on-base percentage (.380). At the time, only Mike Piazza (35), David Justice (28) and Darryl Strawberry (26) had hit more home runs as an NL rookie since 1972, and only Piazza had more RBI (112). Helton finished second to Kerry Wood of the Chicago Cubs in the voting for National League Rookie of the Year. The Tennessee Sports Hall of Fame named Helton its 1998 Professional Athlete of the Year.

In 1999, Helton had a .320 batting average, .395 on-base percentage and .587 slugging percentage. He also hit 35 home runs and 113 RBI, while drawing 68 walks. On June 19, 1999, in a 10–2 Rockies home win over the Florida Marlins, Helton hit for the cycle. He fell short of hitting a second cycle on four occasions during the 1999 season, which would have made him only the second player since 1900 (Babe Herman was the first to do so in 1931) to hit two cycles in one season.

2000–2006: Mid-career
Helton enjoyed arguably his best season in 2000, leading the major leagues in batting average (.372), RBI (147), doubles (59), total bases (405), extra base hits (103), slugging percentage (.698) and OPS (1.162). He led the National League in hits (216) and on-base percentage (.463). Helton hit a league-leading home batting average of .391 and placed third in the National League in road batting average (.353). Helton's MLB-leading 103 extra base hits tied for the fourth most in MLB history and the second most in NL history. His National League-leading numbers in on-base percentage, slugging percentage and batting average gave him the "percentage triple crown." Helton became the second Rockies player, after Larry Walker in 1999, to accomplish that feat. Helton and Walker made the Rockies the first team in MLB history to record percentage triple crowns in consecutive seasons with different players. Helton became only the fourth player in National League history to lead the NL in both batting average and RBI. He became the first player in National League history and the fifth player in MLB history (Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Jimmie Foxx and Hank Greenberg are the others) to have at least 200 hits, 40 home runs, 100 RBI, 100 runs, 100 extra base hits and 100 walks in one season.

Helton was invited to his first career Major League Baseball All-Star Game in 2000. He also received National League Player of the Month honors for May and August. He finished fifth in voting for the MVP award. However, the Associated Press, Sporting News, USA Baseball Alumni and Baseball Digest all named Helton the MLB Player of the Year. Buck O'Neil and the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum presented Helton with the Walter Fenner "Buck" Leonard Legacy Award. Helton was also given the team-honored version of the Roberto Clemente Man of Year Award, for his community contributions to Eastern Tennessee. Furthermore, he was the National League winner of the second annual Hank Aaron Award. Each season from 2000 to 2003, he was named the Rockies Player of the Year. For all of his success, the Colorado Rockies rewarded Helton with a nine-year, $141.5 million contract in April 2001 that took effect in 2003.

The following season, Helton posted a career-high 49 home runs (22 of them occurred away from Coors Field). The 49 home runs tied teammate Larry Walker for the most home runs ever by a Colorado Rockies player in a single season. Additionally, Helton had a .336 batting average, .432 on-base percentage and .685 slugging percentage. He also had 105 extra base hits, making him the first player in MLB history to have at least 100 total extra base hits in back-to-back seasons. Furthermore, Helton attained 402 total bases, making him only the fourth player in MLB history to do so in consecutive seasons (Chuck Klein, Gehrig and Foxx are the others). Helton appeared in his second consecutive All-Star game in 2001 — his first as a starter. He won his first Gold Glove at first base and was once again a top candidate for MVP, but was overshadowed by Sammy Sosa and Barry Bonds.

In 2002, Helton had a .329 batting average, 30 home runs, 109 RBI, 98 walks, 107 runs, .577 slg % and 319 total bases. He became the first player in Rockies history to score at least 100 runs in four consecutive seasons. He was named Player of the Month for May, as he hit .347 with six doubles, one triple, 10 home runs and 28 RBI during the month. Helton was named to his third consecutive All-Star game — his second straight as a starter. He also received his second consecutive Gold Glove.

2003 saw Helton involved in the closest NL batting race in history, as he hit .35849, while St. Louis Cardinals first baseman Albert Pujols finished first with a .35871 batting average. During the season, Helton also had 33 home runs, 117 RBI, 135 runs, 49 doubles and five triples. He won his fourth Player of the Month honor during the month of April, as he hit .337 with six home runs, 27 RBI, 28 runs, 11 doubles and 24 walks. He also appeared in his fourth consecutive All-Star game.

During the 2004 season, Helton again finished second in the NL batting race, as he hit .347, while San Francisco Giants left fielder Barry Bonds hit .362. Helton also had 32 home runs and 96 RBI on the season. He became the first player in MLB history to hit at least .315 with 25 home runs and 95 RBI in each of his first seven full seasons in the majors. He became only the third player in MLB history to accomplish that feat during any seven-year stretch in a career (Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth are the others). He set a franchise record by hitting at least 30 home runs in six consecutive seasons. Helton was named to his team-record fifth consecutive All-Star game and won his third Gold Glove during the season.

In 2005, Helton spent time on the disabled list (July 26 – August 9) for the first time in his career with a strained left calf muscle. He hit .320 with 20 home runs, 79 RBI, 92 runs and 45 doubles for the season. He was under 1.000 in OPS (finished with .979 OPS) for the first time since 1999. Helton also was not named to the National League All-Star team for the first time since 1999. However, he did end up joining Gehrig and Bill Terry as the only first basemen in MLB history to have at least a .315 batting average in eight consecutive seasons. Also in 2005, St. Louis Cardinals radio broadcaster Wayne Hagin claimed manager Don Baylor said that Helton had "tried the juice" in the 1990s, implying steroid use. Helton vehemently denied the allegation and considered legal action against Hagin. Hagin later apologized clarifying his comments saying he was "referring to supplements, creatine, not steroids" when he said "juiced". Baylor said of his conversation with Hagin, "We discussed creatine and that was the end of the conversation. Steroid use was never even a question with me in regards to Todd Helton. [Hagin] has his facts wrong."

The following season, Helton had to spend time on the disabled list again, this time from April 20 to May 4, 2006, as he was diagnosed with acute terminal ileitis. He hit .302 with 15 home runs, 81 RBI, 40 doubles, 91 walks and a .404 on-base percentage for the season. He ended the season below .900 in OPS (he had .880 OPS) for the first time since entering the league in 1997 when he only played 35 games that year. Helton finished third on the Rockies roster in 2006 in runs (94), hits (165), doubles (40), total bases (260) and multi-hit games (42).

2007–2013
Helton's power and RBI production stayed relatively level to his previous year's stats during the 2007 season, as he managed 17 home runs and 91 RBI. Despite these numbers being below his career averages, Helton kept up his string of seven consecutive seasons with an on-base percentage higher than .400, nine consecutive seasons with a batting average above .300, and had also been walked more times than he had struck out (a feat he had accomplished in seven of his first ten full seasons). Helton recorded his 1,000th career hit at Coors Field on June 20, 2007, in a 6–1 home win over the New York Yankees, becoming only the fifth active player to have 1,000 career hits in one ballpark. On September 9, in 4–2 home victory over the San Diego Padres, Helton hit his 35th double of the season. This made him the only player in MLB history to have hit 35 or more doubles in at least 10 consecutive seasons (1998–2007). Helton hit his 300th career home run on September 16, in a 13–0 home win over the Florida Marlins. He became the first player to hit 300 home runs for the Rockies.

Helton made what was arguably the most pivotal play of the Rockies' 2007 season in the second game of a doubleheader against the Los Angeles Dodgers on September 18. In the bottom of the ninth inning, with two outs and two strikes, Helton hit an emotional two-run walk-off home run off Dodgers closer Takashi Saito. The home run kept the Rockies alive in the bid to win the wild card or National League West title. The Rockies eventually clinched the National League wild card, in a 9–8 extra innings victory over the Padres in a wild card tie-breaker game, allowing Helton to appear in the playoffs for the first time in his career. Colorado went on to sweep the Philadelphia Phillies in three games of the National League Division Series. Helton hit a triple in the first pitch of his first career playoff at-bat in the opening game against the Phillies at Philadelphia. The Rockies also swept the Arizona Diamondbacks in four games of the National League Championship Series, sending the Rockies on their first trip to the World Series in franchise history. The Rockies went on to lose the World Series to the Boston Red Sox in a four-game sweep.

In August 2008, Helton was diagnosed with a degenerative back condition, putting his health and ability to continue play in question. On May 19, 2009, Helton got his 2,000th hit, a single, as part of an 8–1 road loss to the Atlanta Braves. On July 22, 2009, Helton hit his 500th career double in a 4–3 home victory over the Arizona Diamondbacks. He became the 50th player in MLB history to hit 500 career doubles and the fastest to do since 1954. Helton also joined Babe Ruth, Stan Musial, Lou Gehrig and Ted Williams as the only players in MLB history to have at least 500 doubles, 320 home runs and a .325 batting average for a career. On March 11, 2010, Helton signed a two-year contract extension through the 2013 season. The extension for 2012 and 2013 was worth a total of $9.9 million.

Helton's degenerative back condition sent him back to the disabled list in July 2010. Helton returned from the DL in August and hit .256 with 8 home runs and 37 RBI for the season. After the 2010 season, Helton said he would return to the Rockies in 2011, following rumors of a possible retirement. On February 15, 2011, Helton announced his intention to play baseball for three more years, preferably for the Rockies. On June 30 he played his 2,000th career game. On April 14, 2012, Helton hit a 2-run walk-off home run, his 7th of his career. On July 13, Helton was placed on the 15-day disabled list due to inflammation in his right hip. In 63 games, he was batting .235. After returning from the DL, Helton played only 6 games before announcing that he would have season-ending hip surgery in order to prepare for the 2013 season. Helton was healthier in 2013, playing in 124 games while hitting 15 home runs with 61 RBIs.

On September 14, 2013, Helton announced that he would be retiring at the conclusion of the 2013 season. On September 25, 2013, before his last game at Coors Field, Helton was honored by the Rockies Organization in a pre-game ceremony. In the game, Helton hit a home run and drove in three runs versus the Boston Red Sox.

On August 17, 2014, the Rockies retired Helton's number 17 before a 2:05 pm day game at Coors Field. Helton was the first Rockies player to have his number retired in the franchise's history.

Accomplishments

 * Baseball Digest All-Star Rookie Team (1998)
 * Associated Press Major League Baseball All-Star Team (2000)
 * Baseball Digest Major League Baseball Player of the Year (2000)
 * USA Baseball Alumni Player of the Year (2000)

 * Achievements
 * National League Batting Champion (2000)
 * National League slugging percentage leader (2000)
 * National League RBI leader (2000)
 * National League Doubles leader (2000, Helton hit 59 doubles during the season, which tied Chuck Klein for the third-highest single-season doubles total in NL history.)
 * Hit for the cycle (June 19, 1999)
 * Percentage triple crown (2000)
 * National League Hits leader (2000)
 * National League On-Base Percentage leader (2000, 2005, 2007)
 * National League Total Bases leader (2000)
 * National League Extra Base Hits leader (2000)
 * Colorado Rockies career leader in games played (2,247), at bats (7,962), runs (1,401), hits (2,519), total bases (4,292), doubles (592), home runs (369), RBI (1,406), walks (1,335), and intentional walks (185).
 * Colorado Rockies number 17 was retired August 17, 2014.

Helton first appeared on the National Baseball Hall of Fame ballot in 2019, when he received 16.5% of the vote, well short of the 75% required for election, but above the 5% minimum required to remain on the ballot.

On January 23, 2024, Helton was elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum, receiving 79.7% of the vote. He is the second member of the Rockies, after Larry Walker, to be elected. He will be formally inducted on July 21.

Post-playing career
On April 9, 2022, Helton was hired by the Colorado Rockies to serve as a special assistant to the general manager, joining Vinny Castilla and Clint Hurdle in the role.

Personal life
Helton's jersey number, 17, is a tribute to former Chicago Cubs first baseman Mark Grace.

Helton and his family — wife Christy and two daughters — reside in Knoxville, Tennessee. They previously lived in Brighton, Colorado, but sold the property in 2018. Helton and his family are good friends with Helton's former Tennessee Volunteers football teammate and former National Football League (NFL) quarterback Peyton Manning.

In 2013, Helton was arrested in Colorado for driving under the influence of alcohol. He was fined $400, received a year of probation, and was ordered to undergo 24 hours of community service. In 2019, Helton was cited for another DUI after crashing his car. He subsequently entered a treatment program.

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2000 MLS SuperDraft

The 2000 Major League Soccer SuperDraft was held on February 6, 2000 in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, and consisted of six rounds.

One of the most successful draft picks was goalkeeper Nick Rimando, a third round pick, who went on to hold the record for most MLS career shutouts. Additionally, first round pick defender Carlos Bocanegra earned over 100 caps with the United States men's national soccer team.

Player selection

 * Key

Unresolved 2000 SuperDraft Trades

 * 21 January 1999: MetroStars traded F Raúl Díaz Arce and MF Marcelo Vega to San Jose for a player to be named and future considerations.
 * 29 March 1997: Kansas City Wizards acquired D John Diffley from the Tampa Bay Mutiny for a conditional third-round draft pick in 1999 or 2000.
 * 28 January 1999: D.C. United traded second round and third round picks in 2000 college draft to New York/New Jersey MetroStars for Diego Sonora.
 * 28 January 1999: San Jose sent third-rounder to MetroStars in Diego Sonora three-way deal.
 * 7 February 1999: New England Revolution acquired two second round selections in the 2000 MLS College Draft from the New York/New Jersey MetroStars in exchange for a second round selection in the 1999 MLS College Draft.
 * 7 February 1999: MetroStars acquired D.C.'s first-round 1999 supplemental draft pick for its 2000 first-round supplemental draft pick (4th round SuperDraft).
 * 5 May 1999: Chicago acquired Ryan Tinsley via trade with Kansas City Wizards in exchange for Jesse Van Saun and Fire's No. 1 selection in the 2000 MLS Supplemental Draft (4th round SuperDraft). -Chi2011
 * 5 June 1999: Miami Fusion acquired a 2000 second-round pick and forward Tony Kuhn from New England Revolution in exchange for midfielder Carlos Parra.

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Talk:Grand Teton

[ USGS GNIS entry] RedWolf 23:17, Oct 3, 2004 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Pronunciation of the name of the mountain should be added.

Etymology
Parts of the Northern United States were initially explored by the French from New France. This is shown by names such as Detroit, Des Moines, etc. "Grand Teton" means "big tit teat" in French, and this is a possible interpretation of the shape of the mountain. Translation edited by User:Dominicanpapi82

Thus, I wonder about whether the indicated etymology is correct. David.Monniaux 15:01, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I thought that was true, also, but I did some research and it is apparently an urban legend. Please see
 * http://www.yellowstone-online.com/history/yhtwo3.html
 * http://leanleft.com/2004/10/13/calling-ktk-confirm-or-dispel-this-myth/
 * and references therein.
 * -- hike395 16:39, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * From Huxley's "Encylopedia of Mountains", p. 296 - "early French travelers, coming from the west, named the three most prominent points the "Trois Tétons," the "Three Breasts;" these were the Grand, Middle, and South Tetons". Be suspicious of the "urban legend" research at the leanleft website - colloquial French as spoken by a ten-generations-removed-from-France half-breed trapper 200 years ago is unlikely to bear much resemblance to proper Parisian, and I would only pay much attention to a French language specialist's analysis. Of course, the conflicting etymologies is itself interesting content for this article... Stan 16:48, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Right. Especially since, as far as I know, téton or tétin was much more common to mean "breasts" in the 17th century than it is now (where it is somewhat colloquial). (I'm a native French speaker, by the way.) David.Monniaux 17:11, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I can't find a reference for it, but ''grand tétons' is how you say big breasts in Cajun French. There's a video of this guy saying the same thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.201.182.162 (talk) 16:23, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Cultural reference
Grand Teton serves as the main location in the 1900 story The Moon Metal by Garrett P. Serviss. List of fictional currencies has some further details and references; I leave it to editors of this page to determine whether this would count as "trivia" to include here. TheGrappler (talk) 04:24, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Ascent vs Descent
What goes up comes down right? I'm ignorant re: climbing terms, so was mystified re: the mention of who "descended" first. Can the section re: Descents be expanded to explain what this is all about. Thanks.

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Wild strawberries

Wild Strawberries or Wild Strawberry may refer to:

Plants

 * Wild strawberries, a common name for uncultivated species in the strawberry genus Fragaria, especially:
 * Fragaria vesca, the common wild strawberry in Europe, also occurring in North America
 * Fragaria virginiana, the common wild strawberry in North America

Politics

 * Wild Strawberries Movement, a student protest movement in Taiwan

Film

 * Wild Strawberries (film), a 1957 film by Ingmar Bergman
 * Mountain Strawberries, a 1982 South Korean film also known as Wild Strawberries

Music

 * Wild Strawberries (band), a Canadian pop music group
 * "Wild Strawberries" (song), a 2007 song by Australian group Pnau from their eponymous album
 * Wild Strawberries (album), a 2015 studio album by American psychedelic rock and space rock band Eternal Tapestry
 * Wild Strawberries, a 1986 English-language album by the Yugoslav and Bosnian band Divlje jagode

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bushes Gone Wild

Bushes Gone Wild
Non-notable spoof "article". Only 16 Google hits for "Bushes Gone Wild" none of which seem connected to this. - 23:19, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC) Lee  (talk)
 * Keep. Notable Internet phenomenon. The Wikipedia article indicates that "Bushes Gone Wild" is a faux-news article. Crocogator 23:23, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm usually fairly inclusionist, but I think this crosses the line. If we keep this we might as well start writing an article on every article that's ever been published in The Onion. Delete. Mike H 00:14, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Gzornenplatz 23:25, Oct 3, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable.  JamesMLane 01:10, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Abstain. "Bushes Gone Wild" is very much notable-- it's a well-known internet phenomenon. I'm not sure it deserves another pointer here, though. After the end of 2004, the article will be completely forgotten. It's a toss-up. 137.22.4.185 14:45, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Nonsense. Delete.  RickK 20:00, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Shave this right out of wikipedia :) --Improv 21:50, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, if we have a Wikipedia article on every droll blog-posting, Wikipedia is going to be as big as the rest of the WWW put together. —Stormie 00:38, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 00:40, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * Obliterate. Sheer nonsense. jni 15:30, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Barbara and Jenna Bush and leave a minor mention of it there. — siro  χ  o  05:59, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
 * Concur with Siroxo. Redirect to Barbara and Jenna Bush. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 08:22, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, no redirects. —tregoweth 17:37, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: I was going to speedy delete it as a prank. That's what I think it is. Geogre 14:22, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nothing notable here, just another lame satire. Gamaliel 20:41, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Subtrivial. Wile E. Heresiarch 03:24, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)


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Watermill Theatre

The Watermill Theatre is a repertory theatre in Bagnor, Berkshire. It opened in 1967 in Bagnor Mill, a converted watermill on the River Lambourn. As a producing house, the theatre has staged works that have subsequently moved on to the West End, including the 2004 revival of Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street.

The theatre has previously accepted funding from the Sackler family and has declined to comment on whether it still does.

History
The theatre is situated in Bagnor Mill, a former corn mill on the River Lambourn in Bagnor, Berkshire. It opened as a 113-seat amateur theatre in 1965, having been converted by David Gollins. In 1967 the theatre was expanded with the addition of a fly system and lighting control, and housed its first professional productions. In 1971, the auditorium was rebuilt to allow a capacity of 170.

In 1981 the theatre was purchased by Jill Fraser, who sought to change it from a local repertory theatre into a producing house. In the 1990s, the Propeller company was formed at the theatre. In the early 21st century, the theatre staged a number of productions that subsequently transferred to the West End – including Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street and The Gondoliers.

In the mid 2000s, Fraser sought to sell the theatre to ensure its long-term future. The "Save The Watermill" appeal was founded to raise funds to allow the board of trustees to purchase the theatre. Fraser died from cancer in February 2006. In 2008 it was announced that funds had been met for the theatre's purchase. Fraser was succeeded as artistic director by Hedda Beeby. Paul Hart, the incumbent artistic director, was appointed as Beeby's successor in 2015.

In 2020, the theatre accepted a £500,000 donation from the Sackler family, the billionaire American family accused of contributing to the opioid crisis through the drug OxyContin. In January 2024, the New York Times contacted 30 institutions which were previously recipients of Sackler money, 29 of which confirmed that they no longer accepted money from the family. The Windmill Theatre was the only institution which declined to comment.

Productions
In March 2020, the theatre produced the world premiere of The Wicker Husband. The musical closed on its press night due to the COVID-19 pandemic, and is due to return in March 2022.

The theatre ended 2021 with Tom Jackson Greaves's adaptation of The Jungle Book. WhatsOnStage described the use of they/them pronouns for Mowgli as "wonderfully inclusive", although a review in The Times said that "in its eagerness to put across its message of inclusivity the show is sometimes over-earnest".

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Proper linear model

In statistics, a proper linear model is a linear regression model in which the weights given to the predictor variables are chosen in such a way as to optimize the relationship between the prediction and the criterion. Simple regression analysis is the most common example of a proper linear model. Unit-weighted regression is the most common example of an improper linear model.

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Popcorn (disambiguation)

Popcorn, or pop corn, is a variety of corn kernel, which forcefully expands and puffs up when heated.

Popcorn, or pop corn, may also refer to:

Geography

 * Popcorn, Indiana, United States

People

 * Faith Popcorn (born 1943), futurist
 * Marvin Sutton (1946–2009), American Appalachian moonshiner known as "Popcorn"
 * Richard "Popcorn" Wylie (1939–2008), American R&B musician, songwriter and record producer

Films

 * Popcorn (1991 film), a horror film
 * Pop Corn (2003 film), a Tamil drama film
 * Popcorn (2007 film), a teen comedy
 * Popcorn (2023 film), an Indian Telugu-language film
 * Popcorn, a 1969 music documentary directed by Peter Clifton

Literature

 * Popcorn (novel), a 1996 novel by Ben Elton
 * Popcorn (play), a 1998 adaptation of Elton's novel

Music

 * Popcorn (Romanian music style), a dance music subgenre established in Romania in the late 2000s
 * Popcorn (Belgian music style), a music subculture and style originally established in Belgium, and based on dancing to R&B and pop records

Albums and box sets

 * Popcorn (Arashi album), 2012
 * Popcorn (Luiz Henrique and Walter Wanderley album), 1967
 * Popcorn, an album by Tammie Brown
 * Popcorn, an album by Moonstar88
 * Popcorn, a box set by The Cocktails
 * The Popcorn (album), an album by James Brown

Songs

 * "Popcorn" (instrumental), a 1969 composition by Gershon Kingsley, covered by Hot Butter in 1972 and several other artists
 * "Popcorn", a song by American musician Kovas from The Arrogance of Youth 2008
 * "The Popcorn", a 1969 instrumental by James Brown
 * "Popcorn", a song recorded by Mrs. Mills

Other arts, entertainment, and media

 * "Popcorn", a 1983 episode of the American TV sitcom Silver Spoons
 * Popcorn (Italian TV series) Italian pop music show 1980-1985
 * Popcorn (American TV series), an American children's variety show
 * PopCorn (video game), a 1989 breakout clone (sub-class of the "bat-and-ball" videogame genre)
 * "Popcorn", a poem by Raffi from his 1979 album The Corner Grocery Store

Computing and technology

 * POPCORN (767-2676), a phoneword used in parts of the United States to reach the speaking clock or local time & temperature information
 * Popcorn Time, a multi-platform open-source Bittorrent-based streaming media player
 * popcorn.js, an open source JavaScript and HTML5 media framework

Enterprises

 * Popcorn.net, a movie download service
 * PopCorn, an MTR-owned shopping centre in Hong Kong, connected to Tseung Kwan O station

Popcorn-like formations and substances

 * Cave popcorn, a common cave formation
 * Foam peanut or packing peanut, sometimes referred to as popcorn
 * Popcorn ceiling, a decorative ceiling treatment
 * Popcorn lung, an informal name for bronchiolitis obliterans (BO), a lung disease
 * Popcorn noise, a burst noise of electronic components

Other uses

 * Popcorn function, a mathematical function
 * Popcorning, a sporadic jumping behavior of guinea pigs

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Hill station

A hill station is a town located at a higher elevation than the nearby plain or valley. The English term was originally used mostly in colonial Asia, but also in Africa (albeit rarely), for towns founded by European colonialists as refuges from the summer heat and, as Dale Kennedy observes about the Indian context, "the hill station (...) was seen as an exclusive British preserve: here it was possible to render the Indian into an outsider". The term is still used in present day, particularly in India, which has the largest number of hill stations, most are situated at an altitude of approximately 1,000 to 2,500 metres.

In South Asia
Some view Nandi Hills, an 11th-century hilltop fortress developed by the Ganga dynasty in present-day Karnataka, India, as a precursor to the hill station concept. Tipu Sultan (1751 - 1799) notably used it as a summer retreat.

Hill stations in British India were established for a variety of reasons. One of the first reasons in the early 1800s, was for the place to act as a sanitorium for the ailing family members of British officials. After the rebellion of 1857, the British "sought further distance from what they saw as a disease-ridden land by [escaping] to the Himalayas in the north". Other factors included anxieties about the dangers of life in India, among them "fear of degeneration brought on by too long residence in a debilitating land". The hill stations were meant to reproduce the home country, illustrated in Lord Lytton's statement about Ootacamund in the 1870s as having "such beautiful English rain, such delicious English mud." Shimla was officially made the "summer capital of India" in the 1860s and hill stations "served as vital centres of political and military power, especially after the 1857 revolt."

As noted by Indian historian Vinay Lal, hill stations in India also served "as spaces for the colonial structuring of a segregational and ontological divide between Indians and Europeans, and as institutional sites of imperial power." William Dalrymple wrote that "The viceroy was the spider at the heart of Simla's web: From his chambers in Viceregal Lodge, he pulled the strings of an empire that stretched from Rangoon in the east to Aden in the west." Meanwhile Judith T Kenny observed that "the hill station as a landscape type tied to nineteenth-century discourses of imperialism and climate. Both discourses serve as evidence of a belief in racial difference and, thereby, the imperial hill station reflected and reinforced a framework of meaning that influenced European views of the non-western world in general." The historian of Himalayan cultures Shekhar Pathak speaking about the development of Hill Stations like Mussoorie noted that “the needs of this (European) elite created colonies in Dehradun of Indians to cater to them." This "exclusive, clean, and secure social space – known as an enclave – for white Europeans ... evolved to become the seats of government and foci of elite social activity", and created racial distinctions which perpetuated British colonial power and oppression as Nandini Bhattacharya notes. Dale Kennedy observed that "the hill station, then, was seen as an exclusive British preserve: here it was possible to render the Indian into an outsider".

Kennedy, following Monika Bührlein, identifies three stages in the evolution of hill stations in India: high refuge, high refuge to hill station, and hill station to town. The first settlements started in the 1820s, primarily as sanitoria. In the 1840s and 1850s, there was a wave of new hill stations, with the main impetus being "places to rest and recuperate from the arduous life on the plains". In the second half of the 19th century, there was a period of consolidation with few new hill stations. In the final phase, "hill stations reached their zenith in the late nineteenth century. The political importance of the official stations was underscored by the inauguration of large and costly public-building projects."

The concept of Hill Station has been used loosely in India (and more broadly South Asia) since the mid-20th century to qualify any town or settlement in mountainous areas, which attempt to expand its local economy toward tourism, or have been invested by recent mass tourism practices. Kullu and Manali in the Indian state of Himachal Pradesh, are two example of that misuse of Hill Station or more accurately deviation of its meaning. These two historical settlements existed prior to the British, and haven't been specially frequented by them or even extensively modified or shaped by them. However, the rise of internal domestic tourism in India from the eighties and the subsequent reproduction of Hill Station practice by urban middle-class Indians contributed to the labelling of these two localities as Hill Stations. Munnar, a settlement in the state of Kerala whose economy is primarily based on tea cultivation and processing, as well as plantations agriculture, is another example of a hill town transformed by contemporaneous tourism practices as a hill station.

List of hill stations
Most hill stations, listed by region:

Madagascar

 * Antsirabe

Morocco

 * Ifrane

Nigeria

 * Jos

Uganda

 * Fort Portal

Brazil

 * Petropolis
 * Campos do Jordão

Costa Rica

 * Monteverde

United States

 * Beech Mountain
 * Sky Valley, Georgia
 * Big Bear Lake, California
 * Cloudcroft, New Mexico
 * Summerhaven, Arizona

Bangladesh

 * Chittagong
 * Sajek Valley
 * Bandarban
 * Jaflong
 * Khagrachari
 * Moulvibazar
 * Rangamati
 * Sreemangal

Cambodia

 * Bokor Hill Station

China

 * Kuling (Guling) in Jiangxi Province
 * Mount Mogan
 * Mount Jigong
 * Guling, Fujian Province
 * Beidaihe

Cyprus

 * Platres

Hong Kong

 * Victoria Peak
 * Sunset Peak

India
Hundreds of hill stations are located in India. The most popular hill stations in India include:

 * Achabal, Jammu and Kashmir
 * Amarkantak, Madhya Pradesh
 * Ambanad Hills, Kerala
 * Amboli, Maharashtra
 * Almora, Uttarakhand
 * Araku Valley, Andhra Pradesh
 * Aritar, Sikkim
 * Aru, Jammu and Kashmir
 * Askot, Uttarakhand
 * Auli, Uttarakhand
 * Baba Budan giri, Karnataka
 * Badrinath, Uttarakhand
 * Baltal, Jammu and Kashmir
 * Barog, Himachal Pradesh
 * Berinag, Uttarakhand
 * Bhaderwah, Jammu and Kashmir
 * Bhowali, Uttarakhand
 * Chail, Himachal Pradesh
 * Chakrata, Uttarakhand
 * Chamba, Himachal Pradesh
 * Champhai, Mizoram
 * Chaukori, Uttarakhand
 * Cherrapunjee, Meghalaya
 * Chikhaldara, Maharashtra
 * Chitkul, Himachal Pradesh
 * Coonoor, Tamil Nadu
 * Daksum, Jammu and Kashmir
 * Dalhousie, Himachal Pradesh
 * Daringbadi, Odisha
 * Darjeeling, West Bengal
 * Dawki, Meghalaya
 * Diskit, Ladakh
 * Doodhpathri, Jammu and Kashmir
 * Dhanaulti, Uttarakhand
 * Dharamkot, Himachal Pradesh
 * Dharchula, Uttarakhand
 * Dras, Ladakh
 * Dzuluk, Sikkim
 * Dzüko Valley, Nagaland and Manipur
 * Gairsain, Uttarakhand
 * Gangtok, Sikkim
 * Ghum, West Bengal
 * Gulmarg, Jammu and Kashmir
 * Geyzing, Sikkim
 * Haflong, Assam
 * Hemkund Sahib, Uttarakhand
 * Hmuifang, Mizoram
 * Kalpa, Himachal Pradesh
 * Jogindernagar, Himachal Pradesh
 * Jogimatti, Karnataka
 * Joshimath, Uttarakhand
 * Kalimpong, West Bengal
 * Katra, Jammu and Kashmir
 * Kangra, Himachal Pradesh
 * Kargil, Ladakh
 * Karzok, Ladakh
 * Kedarnath, Uttarakhand
 * Keylong, Himachal Pradesh
 * Khajjiar, Himachal Pradesh
 * Kodaikanal, Tamil Nadu
 * Kolli Hills, Tamil Nadu
 * Kotagiri, Tamil Nadu
 * Kohima, Nagaland
 * Kokernag, Jammu and Kashmir
 * Khandala, Maharashtra
 * Kufri, Himachal Pradesh
 * Kullu, Himachal Pradesh
 * Kurseong, West Bengal
 * Lachen, Sikkim
 * Lachung, Sikkim
 * Lansdowne, Uttarakhand
 * Lava, West Bengal
 * Leh, Ladakh
 * Lonavala, Maharashtra
 * Lolegaon, West Bengal
 * Lunglei, Mizoram
 * Mahabaleshwar, Maharashtra
 * Mainpat, Chhattisgarh
 * Matheran, Maharashtra
 * Manali, Himachal Pradesh
 * Mawsynram, Meghalaya
 * McLeod Ganj, Himachal Pradesh
 * Meghamalai, Tamil Nadu
 * Mirik, West Bengal
 * Mount Abu, Rajasthan
 * Murgo, Ladakh
 * Munnar, Kerala
 * Munsiyari, Uttarakhand
 * Mussoorie, Uttarakhand
 * Nainital, Uttarakhand
 * Narkanda, Himachal Pradesh
 * New Tehri, Uttarakhand
 * Ooty (Udhagamandalam), Tamil Nadu
 * Pachmarhi, Madhya Pradesh
 * Palampur, Himachal Pradesh
 * Pahalgam, Jammu and Kashmir
 * Patnitop, Jammu and Kashmir
 * Pauri, Uttarakhand
 * Pelling, Sikkim
 * Pfütsero, Nagaland
 * Pithoragarh, Uttarakhand
 * Ramgarh, Uttarakhand
 * Ranikhet, Uttarakhand
 * Reckong Peo, Himachal Pradesh
 * Reiek, Mizoram
 * Rishyap, West Bengal
 * Samsing, West Bengal
 * Saputara, Gujarat
 * Shillong, Meghalaya
 * Shimla, Himachal Pradesh
 * Sonamarg, Jammu and Kashmir
 * Soordelu Hill Station, Kerala
 * Tawang, Arunachal Pradesh
 * Thekkady, Kerala
 * Triund, Himachal Pradesh
 * Tosa Maidan, Jammu and Kashmir
 * Topslip, Tamil Nadu
 * Turtuk, Ladakh
 * Uttarkashi, Uttarakhand
 * Valparai, Tamil Nadu
 * Vagamon, Kerala
 * Verinag, Jammu and Kashmir
 * Wilson Hills, Gujarat
 * Yercaud Tamil Nadu
 * Yelagiri Tamil Nadu
 * Yusmarg, Jammu and Kashmir
 * Yuksom, Sikkim
 * Yumthang, Sikkim

Indonesia

 * Garut in, West Java
 * Sukabumi in West Java
 * Puncak in West Java
 * Batu in East Java
 * Tretes in East Java
 * Kaliurang in Central Java
 * Munduk in Bali
 * Bedugul in Bali
 * Berastagi in North Sumatra
 * Kuningan in West Java
 * Lembang in West Java
 * Baturaden in Central Java
 * Wonosobo in Central Java
 * Tawangmangu in Central Java
 * Bandungan, Semarang in Central Java
 * Ciater in West Java
 * Ciwidey in West Java
 * Bukittinggi in West Sumatra
 * Padang Panjang in West Sumatra
 * Sawahlunto in West Sumatra
 * Solok in West Sumatra
 * Payakumbuh in West Sumatra
 * Takengon in Aceh
 * Tomohon in North Sulawesi
 * Tana Toraja in South Sulawesi
 * Malino in South Sulawesi
 * Pangalengan in West Java
 * Salatiga in Central Java

Iraq

 * Shaqlawa
 * Amedi
 * Rawanduz
 * Sulaymaniyah
 * Batifa

Israel

 * Metula
 * Safed

Japan

 * Hakone
 * Karuizawa
 * Nikkō
 * Lake Chūzenji

Jordan

 * A few suburbs in Amman:
 * Al-Ashrafiya
 * Jabal Amman

Malaysia

 * Bukit Larut
 * Bukit Tinggi
 * Cameron Highlands
 * Fraser's Hill
 * Penang Hill

Myanmar

 * Kalaw
 * Pyin Oo Lwin
 * Taunggyi
 * Thandaung

Nepal

 * Pokhara
 * Namche Bazaar
 * Bandipur
 * Dhulikhel
 * Tansen
 * Nagarkot
 * Kakani
 * Gorkha Bazaar
 * Daman
 * Dharan
 * Dhankuta
 * Illam
 * Sarangkot
 * Baglung
 * Resunga
 * Kunde
 * Khumjung
 * Lukla
 * Tengboche
 * Phortse
 * Bhimeshwar
 * Besisahar
 * Sandhikharka
 * Tamghas
 * Jomsom
 * Phidim
 * Phungling
 * Fikal
 * Bhedetar
 * Dunai, Nepal

Pakistan

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
 * Abbottabad
 * Behrain
 * Kalam Valley
 * Malam Jabba
 * Nathia Gali
 * Shogran
 * Chitral
 * Jahaz Banda
 * Naran
 * Kaghan

Punjab
 * Bhurban
 * Charra Pani
 * Murree
 * Patriata

Sindh
 * Gorakh Hill
 * Bado Hill Station

Balochistan
 * Ziarat

Gilgit Baltistan
 * Hunza Valley
 * Skardu
 * Astore Valley
 * Gilgit
 * Nagar Valley

Philippines

 * Baguio
 * Salvador Benedicto
 * Mambukal
 * Tagaytay
 * Sagada
 * Malaybalay

Sri Lanka

 * Nuwara Eliya

Syria

 * Bloudan
 * Masyaf
 * Qadmous
 * Zabadani
 * Madaya

Vietnam

 * Da Lat
 * Sa Pa
 * Tam Đảo
 * Bà Nà Hills
 * Bạch Mã National Park

Victoria

 * Mount Macedon
 * Harrietville

South Australia

 * Mount Gambier
 * Adelaide Hills

Queensland

 * Toowoomba
 * Merewether
 * The Gap
 * Chapel Hill
 * Bardon
 * Ferny Grove
 * Buderim
 * New Auckland
 * Mount Archer

Western Australia

 * Lesmurdie
 * Kalamunda
 * Jarrahdale
 * Bedfordale

New South Wales

 * Blue Mountains
 * Mount Pleasant
 * Woonoona
 * Kariong
 * Illawarra escarpment (Stanwell Tops)
 * Prospect Hill (Pemulwuy)
 * Terrey Hills
 * Berowra Heights

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Talk:Ashes of the Wake

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According to the All Music review, Alex Skolnick and Chris Poland have guest guitar solos. Does anyone know what songs?
 * "Ashes of the Wake," with Skolnick soloing from 1:56 to 2:57 and Poland soloing from 3:45 to 4:15. Nufy8 02:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

The first riff of 'Laid to Rest' is incredibly similar to the riff from 'Into the Pit' by Testament, on their album 'First Strike Still Deadly'. The Testament album was released first, so it could be a case of Lamb of God 'stealing', 'borrowing' or 'ripping off' this riff. I have tried to find sources to back this up, but I could find nothing but tablature for the two songs. The song 'Laid to Rest' also appears on the EP 'Pure American Metal', which could have been released before 'First Strike Still Deadly', but I'm not sure. Does anyone have any information on this, or think it's worth mentioning? It's interesting to note Alex Skolnick soloing on the album, being Testament's guitarist.
 * Until a reliable source can be found commenting on the similarity between the riffs, it probably shouldn't be mentioned as per Wikipedia's original research policy. By the way, "Into the Pit" was written nearly 20 years ago; First Strike Still Deadly is a re-recording of Testament's classic songs. Nufy8 19:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you really need a "reliable source" when you can just...listen to it? 65.189.210.173 10:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, because interpretations can vary between listeners. As I said, this is a violation of Wikipedia's policy on original research. Nufy8 14:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

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Laid to Rest aimed at war in Iraq?
When reading through the lyrics to 'Laid to Rest', it doesn't make any sense to me how this song would be politically charged and about the war in Iraq. From my point of view, it sounds more like they are about social relationships between humans, and vengeance. I have heard people say that Randy Blythe mentioned that the song is the narrative of a murder victim who comes back to life to drive his victim to destruction (Which even is the meaning that is already written on the page for the song). A Powerful Weakness (talk) 19:13, 31 March 2009 (UTC)A Powerful Weakness

GENRE?
this album is NOT groove metal... if anything you could possibly consider it metalcore but it is most definutely metalcore/death metal... it sound EXTREMELY similar to sacrament which has the metalcore label —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.148.88.135 (talk) 02:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Just wanted to say that you're a moron. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.90.34.200 (talk) 08:26, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:New American Gospel

Grindcore?
Hell no. Just because one reviewer offhandedly says it doesn't make it true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.46.106.122 (talk) 23:18, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's grindcore, but it definitely has some influences. Look at the blasts, the speed, the voice...

Song Title
It's Terror and Hubris in the House of Frank Pollard, not Rob Pollard. I deleted the section in the trivia as well.

I added a note to the bottom of Terror and Hubris featuring guest vocals from Steve Austin of Today is the Day. --Relyt22 19:01, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I checked the wiki, and Frank Pollard of some sort of football player? What's up with this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.118.65.187 (talk) 02:52, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

"Letter to the Unborn" lyrics...
The song “Letter to the Unborn” contains no lyrics to read in the book of the CD. The song indeed has lyrics but according to Blythe, the song is very personal concerning the death of his daughter with his ex-wife. They were written before she was born. Because of all of this, he didn’t want the lyrics to be reprinted or read.

Can we get a source on this? Also, how could he have written song lyrics about his daughter's death BEFORE she was born?--76.100.210.211 01:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe his wife died when she was pregnaut with his unborn daughter?75.176.137.131 (talk) 16:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

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Genre
I believe metalcore should be added to the genres. The songs on this album are way too extreme to be considered simply Groove Metal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tehultragamer (talk • contribs) 18:37, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

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Was Skeeter Davis in the show as his daughter?--Alsocal 23:25, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Requests for bureaucratship/Grunt

Grunt

 * final (31/11/3) ends 23:23, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Judging by the (personally perceived?) average delay of several hours between when a successful admin nomination ends and when the user attains sysop status, there's still a shortage of bureaucrats around. Seeing as I'm around when a lot of these nominations end or have ended, I could be use of a bureaucrat... -- Grunt 🇪🇺 23:25, 2004 Oct 3 (UTC)

If you are considering ending this request (whether in favour of or against my becoming a bureaucrat), I urge you to hold off until Cecropia, JCarriker, and perhaps other individuals have had time to consider my response to Cecropia's controversial question about anti-American bias. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 23:30, 2004 Oct 10 (UTC)

Support
 * 1) Anyone whose userpage has been vandalized 109 times and moved three more times—anyone who has been impersonated four times—they have proven themselves without a single doubt. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 23:27, Oct 3, 2004 (UTC)
 * That's 111 times now, thank you! :p -- Grunt 🇪🇺 00:36, 2004 Oct 5 (UTC)
 * 1) What Neutrality said. --Slowking Man 23:27, Oct 3, 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) Sure deal! GeneralPatton 23:42, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 3) What they said ^ Nadavspi 23:44, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 4) Absolutely. Unfortunately, I have had little interaction with Grunt, but in those few moments I was greatly impressed.  Good luck, Grunt!   •  →  Iñgólemo  ←•  04:24, 2004 Oct 4 (UTC)
 * 5) David Gerard 15:10, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 6) ℛ yan!  |  Talk  15:44, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * 7) Strongly. Opponents are trolls.  RickK 21:31, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * 8) ** Rick - do you do it deliberately, or is it kind of a nervous tick? ;) Mark Richards 19:55, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 9) Wow... I think Grunt overly deserves this... Good job... squash 21:41, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * 10) Absolutely. He has done such a good job preventing vandalism. Strongly support. --John Kerry + John Edwards 2004 22:43, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 11) By all means. Ðåñηÿßôý | Talk 22:45, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 12) A. D. Hair 23:59, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * 13) 172 13:04, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 14) Without a doubt. --Conti|✉ 21:47, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * 15) I'm inclined to agree, in principle, with RickK (gasp) and Neutrality (not gasp) in this matter. Also, Grunt's been extremely kind with my annoying nature on IRC (along with using Linux!), and such. 109 vandalisms? That's more than George W. Bush! ugen64 22:45, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * How many times do I have to say that it's 111 vandalisms now? :p -- Grunt 🇪🇺 01:43, 2004 Oct 6 (UTC)
 * 1) Emphatically support.  – Andre ( talk )  14:41, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) Indeed! Mike H 06:28, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)
 * 3) Support.--Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 16:57, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)
 * 4) Support, Grunt seems always to be here. zoney ♣ talk 17:47, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 5) ¶ ɳȉčḩåḽṗ | [[User talk:nichalp| ✉ ]] 20:10, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)
 * 6) Ambi 15:30, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 7) I grunt my vote for Grunt! GRUNT! - Lucky 6.9 01:04, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 8) Emsworth 01:57, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 9) J OHN C OLLISON | (Ludraman) 10:02, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 10) Always, Grunt. Always. JFW | T@lk  15:45, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 11) I find the notion of opposing someone because they may be "anti-American" to be absurd and offensive. Personal opinions of that nature should not be a criterion - conduct on Wikipedia should. Snowspinner 18:33, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * May be anti-American? He has that assertion up front on his userpage, where Wikipedians (especially new ones) would go to find out about the attitudes of someone who has a position of trust. He has failed to comment on this after more than three days. So he declares himself as disliking a large segment of Wikipedians, and you're offended that I find this inappropriate. Of course, it has been suggested that this is a joke. Perhaps Grunt will share the joke with me so I can laugh, too. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 18:53, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * It seems to me a disaster to limit positions of trust in Wikipedia to pre-selected POVs. Snowspinner 19:30, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * A disaster? You see no difference in someone having a POV, and someone expressing a dislike for a large number of the members of the Wikipedia community? -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 19:52, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes. Because that seems to me to also preclude people who really don't like racists. Or people who are racists. And I think that administrative positions in Wikipedia need to be filled with a plethora of viewpoints. Snowspinner 20:02, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * The first is a rather inappropriate comparison. There is a difference between someone who doesn't like a group of people (racists) for positions they take as opposed to exprssing disdain for a group who live in a particular country (the United States) and express that distaste in their profile. Second, a believe an open racist would have quite a bit of difficulty becoming an admin. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 21:30, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't vote in favor of this candidate, but I strongly believe knowledge of one's own biases is a good thing, and stating them is important (then, it might be an issue how to word such statements, but that's a secondary issue). That improves the standard of Wikipedia! /Tuomas 04:39, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) Graham ☺ | Talk 21:20, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) Danny 23:19, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 3) More grunt work for Grunt. SWAdair | Talk  10:03, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 4) Support. -- Gregg 11:48, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 5) Tεx  τ  urε  21:24, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Endorsed a factually wrong RFC summary. Gzornenplatz 02:43, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * Where? Snowspinner 18:33, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * I assume this refers to the RFC about him. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 23:31, 2004 Oct 10 (UTC)
 * 1) Netoholic @ 16:40, 2004 Oct 4 (UTC) -- I don't see the value-add. Admin promotion does not seem delayed, and, sorry, but Grunt hasn't offered any good reason why it should be him as opposed to anyone else. I also find it very dubious that he posted this within minutes of his Sam Spade opposition vote, and I think there may be an agenda here.
 * This is because I tend to do things here on RFA in bursts. I came here to add myself to the list and saw that Sam had been recently added to the list of candidates, and decided to put my vote up before nominating myself here. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 22:36, 2004 Oct 4 (UTC)
 * I think the first part of my comment was the more important one in my mind - what reasons can you give that you yourself deserve position of bureaucrat? You have only been an admin for a little over one month. How has that given you the experience necessary for this position? -- Netoholic @ 01:07, 2004 Oct 6 (UTC)
 * As I've stated above, I wish to become a bureaucrat because I percieve a lengthy delay between when some candidates' nominatons expire and when they are actually appointed an administrator. I believe that I am experienced in making decisions to which there is a generally positive reaction - and if I make a decision in which this is not the case I am also adept at dealing with issues that would arise as a result in a calm, collected, civil, and above all considerate manner. I have never been involved in a heated dispute with another user and I view this as evidence to the above. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 01:19, 2004 Oct 6 (UTC)
 * I wish to become a bureaucrat because I percieve a lengthy delay between when some candidates' nominatons expire and when they are actually appointed an administrator. So, what's a "lengthy delay"? -- Cecropia | Talk 03:02, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) Reverted a well thought out, reasoned and worded page without reason. His neutrality is in question now. User:Michael Krewson Oct. 6,2004 - See History under "Jehovah".
 * This action was supported by consensus mainly on the basis that it is a copyvio. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 01:59, 2004 Oct 7 (UTC)
 * User also has less than 50 edits, a majority of which relate to this same copyvio. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 23:38, 2004 Oct 10 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Your actions in that case helped me in my decision to vote to oppose your request. The core problem wasn't copyvio or consensus: it was a word with at least two distinct meanings. Jamesday 01:09, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) I believe that there are sufficient bureaucrats.  If there is indeed a shortage, I can think of more suitable candidates.  uc 20:44, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) I have nothing against Grunt and have seen nothing but good work out of him. But bureaucrats do have considerable power, and most of them have been around Wikipedia—and been admins—for a very long time. I think that if we need more bureaucrats (and I'm not even sure we do need more bureaucrats), we should be promoting some of our most experienced Wikipedians instead.   —Lowellian (talk)   22:43, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)
 * 3) On your user page, you characterize yourself as "a notable [...] anti-American ('only against typical Americans')." What do you mean by that? How would you define a "typical American" who you are against? What is an example of an "atypical American" you are not against? Why should a neutral person (American or not) not take this as a sign of bigotry, ignorance, or immaturity? -- Cecropia | Talk 22:01, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Sadly, I have moved my query up to "Oppose" after 40 hours of non-response from Grunt. Anti-Americanism is one of those soft bigotries that is fashionable in some quarters, and like other bigotries, is destructive to both the bigot and the target. I grew up in the era when black people in the US south could not eat at a lunch counter with white people and Jewish people were to supposed to know that they would not "fit in" at "restricted" hotels. I don't think Grunt is in any way a bad person, but I wonder whether his world is so constrained that he doesn't appreciate that bigotries have consequences, and his casual expression of a popular one disturbs me. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 15:32, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * This vote is a good example of the utter stupidity that society is diving into headfirst. We're becoming so HYPERsensitive that people can't even joke about ANYTHING without offending someone.  blankfaze |  (беседа!)  18:49, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Is it a joke? I posted the original comment two days ago and no comment from Grunt. Anti-Americanism is very fashionable among many, and I do not find it funny. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 19:06, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I have to say that, while I don't think Grunt is very anti-American, I sure would not want to be up for adminship if I was someone who he considers a "typical American". In a close decision, that admitted prejudice might have impact. -- Netoholic @ 22:29, 2004 Oct 10 (UTC)
 * 1) Acegikmo1 06:01, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC). After some deliberation, I have decided to oppose.  I think that Cecropia's response to Grunt in the comments section is an adequate summary of my position.
 * 2) Tuomas 10:14, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC) If the delay had been weeks, it had been reason to be bothered.
 * 3) Belatedly joining the discussion. Due to the controversy and irregularities, I oppose making Grunt a bureaucrat based on this particular request. I might well support if he comes back in a few weeks. We should all try to have cooler heads about this next time around, and we might find that the concerns about community experience are also mitigated by then. --Michael Snow 00:10, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 4) Oppose because of the reason given for seeking this: unwillingness to accept a few hours delay seems like a poor rationale when judging consensus is necessary and it may take more time to be reached. Jamesday 00:58, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 5) Concur with Michael S. +sj +  08:08, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Neutral
 * 1) "Cannot see any real positive community involvement". Dubious vote. {Ανάριον} 15:52, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) *Agenda-pushing revealed above has me worried. {Ανάριον} 16:50, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 3) **Agenda pushing hasn't been "revealed" its been hypothesised. And quite frankly it doesn't hold water to my mind. Exactly what agenda has been revealed. You think grunt will try to stop Sam spade from gaining adminship? He can't. Sam's voting period will end before Grunt's and even if it didn't there's nothing a bureacrat can do about the result of the poll anyway. Theresa Knott (The torn steak) 20:46, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Just out of curiosity, would you like to explain why you feel it's a dubious vote? -- Grunt 🇪🇺 23:42, 2004 Oct 4 (UTC)
 * Of course. I quite honestly question your judgement here: your adherance to the strict 75% support, despite Jimbo Wales statement 'adminship should be no big deal' does not exactly inspire trust in you to support bureaucratship. Also, the voting pattern against Samspade is rather strange. It's nothing personal. {Ανάριον} 08:32, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) Very Verily  04:47, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC) I agree with comments that he is too new, but not strongly enough to oppose. I don't think the anti-American comment should be weighted so heavily, however. His characterization of the "typical American" does sound ignorant and ill-formed to me, but having a wrong opinion should not be a disqualification. The question is, is there reason to think this "bigotry" (if that's what it is) is going to affect his judgement or impartiality? My limited experience with Grunt gives me no reason to think it will, anymore than (say) a user's religious or anti-religious views, however stupid they may seem to others, would. Neutral.
 * 2) As a life long Southerner I don't consider prejudice to be fodder for jokes, thus I agree with Cecropia's comments above. Soft-bigotries are often the most persistent and dangerous form of bigotry. ZI am disappointed and disturbed by Grunt's unwillingness to address Cecropia's concerns. I have been concerned about his lack of tenure at wikipedia, but was leaning toward support for his number of contributions and quality of work. However, until Grunt adequately states that the comments are a joke, I have no other recourse but to oppose remain neutral. -JCarriker 15:13, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * Response to Jay: You struck out I am disappointed and disturbed by Grunt's unwillingness to address Cecropia's concerns in changing your vote to neutral. For the record, Grunt said nothing about my concerns until after the original voting period had passed, despite the fact I gave him three days to do so. When he finally did respond, he completely ignored everything I said as to why his expression on his user page (which is still there) is inappropriate for someone putting himself forth to the community. I must not have been the only one dissatisfied with his response, because he garnered five additional negatives after he posted it, and then accepted the promotion of Ugen64 (who at least had the decency to debureaucrat himself) who promoted him outside of policy after the issue was discussed by the two of them and others on IRC. He failed to take any responsibility for his bigotry by noting: I would like to express my displeasure of voting against this bureaucrat request on the sole basis that I have expressed a personal displeasure with anything on my userpage. To me, it's like saying "You can't do this because you don't like the colour pink", which is absurd. He equates an expression of disdain (at least) for those he styles "typical Americans" with not liking a colour? Is this the maturity he would display if he promotes someone and he has to explain how he came to the decision? -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 21:57, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I understand that to you and I it does not seem that your concerns were addressed it may not seem that way to Grunt and I have posted a follow up. Grunt has responded to your query, even if it was not satisfactory and respond was what I meant by the statement I stuckout at the time I wrote it. I consider my move to be in good faith to encourage him to respond as depsite the current time I hope he will still respond to my questions, my position in any future nomination depends on it. If my queries are not answered or I do not get the response I hope for I will again oppose. -JCarriker 01:39, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * Right, and it's okay to be anti-French, just because Jacques Chirac voted against the war on Iraq? It's the same thing... let's rename American football to freedom football... ugen64 21:56, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * I could make assumptions about you Ugen64, or I could point out that we share many interests and aspirations, or rebut your post with a set phrase such as Liberté! Egalité! Fraternité!, or satirize your view of me with jokes about marrying my sister or eating possum. However, I will not. I will give you the basic courtesies of wikilove, wikiquette, and basic human dignity that you did not extend to me. -JCarriker 01:25, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * Now what is the cause of that ad hominem non sequitar? I don't see anything on JCarriker's user page bashing Chirac and characterizing himself as "a prominent Francophobe (but only against 'typical' French)." Would you be inclined to vote for him for bureaucrat if he did? On reflection I think I am more bothered by the "typical American" comment because it suggests that he knows what a "typical American" is like and finds himself superior. That is the heart of racism. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 22:08, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Just a quibble - anti-Americanism isn't racism because "American" is not a race, rather a nationality.  – Andre ( talk )  04:13, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)
 * Granted. But my own quibble is that I didn't say "anti-Americanism" was racism, but that the attitude expressed underlies the heart of racism. Functionally, setting any group of people apart en masse based on what you think you they are like and using that to justify a negative opinion of them isn't necessarily racism, but it walks, waddles and quacks like it. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 04:45, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I was planning on taking on both sides objectively, but that last sentence was just a bit too Enoch Powell for my tastes. Mike H 02:01, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC) (I don't even think I'm making sense, so just disregard that.)

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 * Umm ... seems to me that the waiting time for promotion has been pretty small lately. If you guys want it done faster, you could consider giving me a raise. -- Cecropia | Talk 23:47, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * OK you salary will double from midnight tonight. Now quit whining and get on with your work! ;-) Theresa Knott  (The torn steak) 20:49, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * It's just a percieved delay. Feel free to correct me if there isn't one. Of course, since I tend to work at least twice as fast as everyone else, even a few minutes would be percieved by me as a substantial delay :) -- Grunt 🇪🇺 00:05, 2004 Oct 4 (UTC)
 * I don't agree that "anything below 75% support is grounds for removal" since sockpuppet votes need to be taken into account and "we do have systems with which to keep them in check" is either a joke or somewhat naive. Grunt, could you perhaps explain these points? Angela. 17:18, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * I find it self-evident that sockpuppet votes should not be counted, which is why I did not explicitly state so. As for the abusive sysop issue, I percieve thus: we do have systems to deal with abuse on/of Wikipedia (e.g. the ArbCom, MC, RFC, and other dispute resolutions). In circumstances that require this we can apply these systems to sysop actions - so we do have ways of dealing with the hypothetical abusive sysop... they just have yet to be shown to work well. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 22:41, 2004 Oct 4 (UTC)
 * While I admire Grunt's enthusiasm, I would like to point out that he has been contributing here for fewer than six months and has been an admin for about six weeks. While there are no established tenure requirements for bureaucrats, most of the others have been here for several years.  I believe that prospective bureaucrats should have the ability to participate in a few highly contentious votes before attempting to adjudicate them.  uc 21:41, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Cecropia has been so kind as to check the "delay" in granting admin promotions granted in the last two months and posted the results at Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship. The evidence shows that almost all are done within hours (and quite a few  are done before time expires) – the longest "delay" was 14 hours one case.  -- Netoholic @ 04:14, 2004 Oct 8 (UTC)

 * The question has been raised as to just what I mean with my anti-American sentiment on my user page. The basic fact is that I am strongly opposed to the current American administration and its policies and actions, and view a "typical American" to be one that blindly supports that administration (otherwise they would not legitimately be in power). It seems to me that most Americans with the skill and knowledge to edit Wikipedia do not fall into this category in that they are at least informed enough to understand why they support the current policy (if they happen to support it).
 * I'm also going to point out that I've said on my userpage that I do not let biases like these get in the way of my Wikipedia contributions, and that those people who have worked with me tend to know this fact. To this end, I would like to express my displeasure of voting against this bureaucrat request on the sole basis that I have expressed a personal displeasure with anything on my userpage. To me, it's like saying "You can't do this because you don't like the colour pink", which is absurd.
 * I hope this clears up the burning questions that have been posed here; I apologise for the delay in doing so, which was used to fully consider this response before posting it here. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 23:26, 2004 Oct 10 (UTC)
 * In all honesty, Grunt, you just don't get it. I didn't oppose your adminship--I posted my question under neutral and only moved it to oppose when you didn't respond for two days, to see if I could get a response, and still you didn't respond. I shared with you my actual experience with bigotry, and the substance of your response reminds me of what I heard years and years ago: "Oh, the Johnsons, they're really nice people, not like those other colored." Excuse me, I will not "Tom" for you that Americans on Wikipedia are "good" Americans, not like those ignorant yahoos. Remember my use of the term "soft bigotry"? A century ago the great majority of Southerners would not harm a hair on another person's head, but the feeling that others were inferior and a sense of grievance formed the foundation for the fellows with the freshly washed hoods and the ropes; the Holocaust didn't just happen; ordinary Europeans (and not just Germans) never accepted Jews and Gypsies and often others as members of the countries of their birth. And part of the foundation of 9/11 was the feeling that it was horrible, terrible, despicable, but just maybe Americans deserved it a little, because they're such terrible people.

 * As I said, I don't think you are a bad person in any way, but you don't have the maturity to deal with a diverse Wikipedia community. I will neither promote you (you're still short of 80%) nor will I remove your nomination. There are 17 other bureaucrats who can take that initiative by their own judgment. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 03:51, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I faceted questions I'd like you to answer.

 * 1. The message on your user page and the use of the phrase typical American still concern me. As an avid student and observer of politics I can assure you that regardless of who the politician is; be it Mr. Bush, Mr. Chirac, Mr. Putin, Mr. Mbeki, Mr. Lula, Ms. Arroyo, or even Canada's own Mr. Paul Martin; the majority of the votes they gain will be at the hands of people who blindly follow them. Why is this trait unique to typical Americans, and if you so strongly oppose the Bush Administration why is an informed person who supports Mr. Bush less deserving of your displeasure?

 * 2. Cecropia is also trying to point out that a prejudice is still wrong no matter who it is directed against. If you truly believe what you wrote, and I am inclined to believe you do, then you are not Anti-American. Anti-Americanism is not legitimate criticism of the U.S.; it is prejudice against it. To say the U.S. has an arrogant foreign policy is not Anti-American to say it is a cultural dust-bin as I have seen said in a major French Newspaper is. This is similar to Anti-French sentiment in that saying French foreign policy is arrogant to say the French are cowards is Anti-French sentiment. Both Anti-American and Anti-French sentiment are soft-bigotries and a social acceptable even encouraged in some circles, today. Please re-evaluate your claim to being Anti-American, are you truly Anti-American or just an opponent of much of the Bush administration's policies?

 * I urge you to present the more nuanced view offered here on your user page. I will make my decision to change my vote on this issue after I have reviewed your response to Cecropia and my posts. -JCarriker 02:55, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)

It seems to me that Grunt's personal views don't matter. He's a strong user and a strong sysop with a history of handling well in conflicts and being NPOV. I happen to be a New Yorker (albeit a Democrat), and his view against Americans affects me not at all regarding his Wikipedia position. But, he could be an anti-Semitic (I'm Jewish) or an anti-people-with-names-beginning-with-A (as mine does) and I would still support him for bureaucracy (bureaucratship?) because I like his handling on the Wikipedia. Similarly, if I were anti-Canadian or anti-people-with-names-beginning-with-G, I would still support him. This is an issue where a separation must be made - church and state, or more general, the separation of POV and Wikigovernment (someone think of a catchier name), if you will. If one disagrees with him about deletion/inclusion or adminship requirements, that's one thing, but disagreeing about real world POV is another entirely. – Andre ( talk ) 14:41, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)

 * While the separation of POV and Wikigovernment is admirable it is not a realistic goal, even on wikipedia. I'm trying to see if Grunt will treat people differently based on there political views and place of origin. Second, personal views do matter if they may have an effect on how the user interacts with other users. What's wrong with asking tough questons?He is answering the questions, if he is able to assuage my concern I will withdraw my oppostion. Third, I do not believe that trivializing concerns about Grunt to comparisons about anti-people-with-names-beginning-with-A is helpful to getting him a successful vote. P.S. I would oppose any nominated user who claimed to be anti-Semitic, anti-French, anti-American or anti-blank any, national, racial, ethinic, or religous group. -JCarriker 20:47, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)

 * An objective look at Recently created bureaucrats doesn't support the notion of any "80% rule" applying to bureaucrats, as it typically would for adminship. There seems to be a much higher threshold (more like +90%) of consensus needed for this level of responsibility. I would say that there are enough concerns that this request should be archived. -- Netoholic @ 04:01, 2004 Oct 11 (UTC)

 * Thanks for replying on that one point, but can I ask you to also discuss your reasoning behind the "delay" you perceive with admin promotions, and why, if true, you are the best person to be appointed to bureaucrat? Also like to know why you waited until after the official end time (specificallly by 3 minutes)? -- Netoholic @ 00:47, 2004 Oct 11 (UTC)

Bureaucratic Questions Q1. Have you read the discussions on when to promote and not promote? What do you understand the criteria for promotion to be?

A1. I take "general consensus" to be at least 75-80% support (between support and oppose votes) or more for the person becoming an administrator; the 80% would apply if there are significant, legitimate concerns with the user's conduct as an administrator and 75% otherwise.

Q2. How would you deal with contentious nominations where a decision to promote or not promote might be criticized?

A2. ''In such situations I believe I'd be inclined to use my personal judgement. I'd feel that anything below 75% support is grounds for removal with a "consensus not reached"; let them be renominated later if there's real merit in their becoming a sysop. On the other hand, anything above 80-85% is usually a consensus to promote, and if things do not turn out well we do have systems with which to keep them in check. If I do get criticised for these sorts of decisions, I will probably attempt a discussion in a civil manner - but if there's as much controversy surrounding them as with the past borderline cases, things will probably already be clear to myself and to the people involved.''

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Lam Yiu-gwai

Lam Yiu-gwai　林耀桂 (1877-1966) was the master responsible for the dissemination of Dragon Kung Fu. Lam was born in 1877 in Huìyáng (惠陽) County in the prefecture of Huizhou in Guangdong Province, China.

From a young age Lam learned martial arts from his father Lam Qing-yun and grandfather Lam Hao-hing and Uncle Lam Hap. Like them, he would eventually undertake training from masters on Loh Fu Mountain in neighboring Bo Loh (博羅) County, where he was taught by Chan (Zen) master Tai Yuk of the Wa Sau Toi temple, who knew the Dragon style. He also learned the routines Saam Tung Goh Kiu (“Three Ways to Cross the Bridge”) from the Taoist Wong Lei-giu and Mui Fa Chat Lo (“Plum Flower Fist in Seven Sections”) from Ke Hing-ma.

Good friends since their youth in Huizhou, Lam Yiu-gwai and the Bak Mei master Jeung Lai-chuen張禮泉 later became cousins by marriage and opened several schools together. Both Lam and Jeung served as combat instructors at the Whampoa Military Academy under the leadership of General Chan Chai-tong陳濟棠.

Lam Yiu-gwai married and had several children. His wife taught Dragon Style Kung Fu to women in Hong Kong.

In the 1920s, he moved to Guangzhou, where he opened a number of Dragon style schools and met Mok Gar master Lin Yin-tang, who became a friend with whom he had much in common. Lin Yin-tang was from the prefecture of Dongguan, which bordered both Huìyáng and Bóluó counties. Like Yiu-gwai, Yin-tang studied at a temple on Loh Fu Mountain; in Yin-tang's case, the Temple of Emptiness (沖虛觀), where he studied meditation and traditional Chinese medicine.

After a stroke in the early 1950s, Lam Yiu-gwai moved to Hong Kong for medical treatment and to reunite with his family where, after another stroke in 1965, he died in 1966.

He passed on the art to his students, among others, Chiu Chung, Wu Hua-tai, Ma Chai, Chan Cheung (Robert Chan), Tsui Yiu-cheung, Yip Ho-sing, Tsang Gan, Ho Lai何禮, Cho Sam曹森, Lau Hong劉康, Mao Yim繆炎, Lee Fat李发 and Chan Dak, in addition to his sons Lam Chan-gwong (林燦光) and Lam Wun-gwong (林煥光). The Dragon Sign Athletic Association in Hong Kong celebrated its 50th anniversary in November 2019. In addition to Hong Kong and mainland China, Dragon Style Kung Fu is practiced in the United States, London, Canada, Ireland, and Australia.

Cho Sam's student, Yip Wing-hong, Lam Yiu-gwai's disciples, Mao Yim, Ho Lai and Lau Hong, would emigrate to New York City. They have taught numerous students in Manhattan Chinatown since 1974.

Chiu Chung‘s student Nicholas Costello established the Chiu Chung Lung Ying Academy in Slane, Co. Meath, Ireland and has been teaching there since 1998.

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i guess "kukharka" is just an error, but maybe an alternate spelling?
 * In Russian it would be an error. I doubt you will see this word often in English to speak about an alternate spelling. Also, there are at least two more vallages with the same name in Siberia, in Omsk and Novosibirsk oblasts. Mikkalai 23:28, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Please check your population figures for Panjim. These seem to be on the higher side.

Panjim or Panaji
In my experience it is only the Indian government that calls the place Panaji, everyone, not just English speakers call it Panjim.

Many locals call it ponjhe...rest call it panjim and some even panaji.....but mostly outsiders.

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Yes, Panaji is the Hindi for Panjim, so therefore used for official government purposes. Panjim is the common usage and is the same in current Portuguese, not the old stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.24.184.115 (talk) 22:17, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

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Konkani Wikipedia has been started and been in test stage since August 2006.

Kindly contribute towards the Konkani wikipedia. We intend to make it a multiscript

Wikipeida. At least tri-script with Roman ,Devanangiri and Kannada scripts since these are the most popular ones.

We would like to get more articles/templates in place. We also need volunteers to do the thankless and boring job of transliterating it to different scripts.

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Why I removed the Orlando reference: The short version is that I don't think that knowledge of Orlando helps one understand Dryden's essay, though knowledge of Dryden's essay may help one understand Orlando; therefore, it's proper that the Orlando article link to the Dryden essay and not so much the other way around. Dorset is a fascinating figure, and he's really the person Woolf is interested in (rather than Dryden). At any rate, that's why I cut the See Also. It seemed a little distracting. Geogre 23:31, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The essay is not a work of dramaturgy. A work of dramaturgy means in simple words, a theatre play, and this essay is obviously not such. So I'm removing that sentence--Rataube 15:25, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Missing or unneeded information:
The information about the plague should either be expanded or removed. Since the plague is not mentioned again in the article, it is unnecessary to include in the introduction. However, if the plague is vital to the essay (why it was written or influences in its content) it should be elaborated on in the content. Noillimog (talk) 01:35, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

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John Cerutti

John Joseph Cerutti (April 28, 1960 – October 3, 2004) was an American left-handed pitcher in Major League Baseball for the Toronto Blue Jays and Detroit Tigers between 1985 and 1991, and was later a broadcaster for the Blue Jays.

Playing career
Born in Albany, New York, Cerutti attended Amherst College, and graduated with a bachelor's degree in economics. In 1980, he played collegiate summer baseball with the Harwich Mariners of the Cape Cod Baseball League and was named a league all-star.

He was selected in the first round of the amateur draft by the Blue Jays in with the 21st overall pick. Cerutti played seven seasons in the major leagues with the Blue Jays (–) and Detroit Tigers.

On June 7, 1989, Cerutti recorded the first Blue Jays win in SkyDome, their new stadium.

On December 20, 1990, the Toronto Blue Jays granted him free agency. He signed as a free agent with the Detroit Tigers on January 14, 1991.

Broadcasting career
After his playing career, he went into broadcasting and started calling Blue Jays games alongside Brian Williams on CBC before becoming a TV analyst for the team's new flagship station, Rogers Sportsnet.

Death
Cerutti was supposed to broadcast the last game of the 2004 season for the Blue Jays, an afternoon home game on October 3 versus the New York Yankees, but he uncharacteristically missed an 11:00 AM pregame meeting. The production staff began to worry and started calling him. After numerous attempts, the police had to be brought in to break open the door of his Toronto hotel room. He was found without any vital signs. His death at age 44 was officially declared to be of natural causes due to a ventricular arrhythmia two weeks later.

"It was an unbelievable shock," Blue Jays president Paul Godfrey said, in various wire reports. "We all realize, those of us involved in winning and losing games, how unimportant that is at a time like this."

The Toronto chapter of the Baseball Writers' Association of America paid tribute to John Cerutti in November, 2004, giving him its annual Good Guy Award and renaming the honor for him. The award has been handed out every year since Toronto's inaugural season in 1977, and is given annually to an individual who best exemplifies a positive image for baseball. John Cerutti was known for his exemplary character, goodwill, and sportsmanship.

title: John Cerutti