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Latvian Air Force

Latvian Air Force (Latvijas Gaisa spēki) is the aviation branch of the National Armed Forces. The first air force (AF) units were established in 1919 and re-established in 1992. It has no air combat capability, thus the defense of Latvian air space is maintained by NATO, with rotating detachments of four aircraft to Lithuania at four-monthly intervals (see Baltic Air Policing).

1919–1940
The Latvian Air Force was first founded during the Latvian War of Independence. On 7 June 1919 an Air Group was formed, commanded by Lt. Alfrēds Valeika. The first aircraft were former Bolshevik Nieuport 24bis and Sopwith 1½ Strutter, both seized from German forces. They first flew on 5 August 1919, and accomplished the first bombing mission on 26 August 1919. From September the air force had three aircraft, and took part in fighting against the Germans and White Russians. Another 7–8 aircraft were seized and repaired after defeating of Russo-German forces, and 7 Sopwith Camels and 3 Sopwith 1½ Strutters were received from the British in December 1919. The Latvian air force flew 69 missions during the war of independence. In the years to follow many more aircraft were added to the inventory and the Air Group was eventually renamed the Aviation Regiment in 1926. An interesting feat of the Latvian naval aviation was a 6000-km trip to England and back, by three Fairey Seal floatplanes, in 1936.

In 1939, the Aviation Regiment consisted of three fighter squadrons, armed with 24 Gloster Gladiator and 6 Bristol Bulldog (a fourth squadron was in organization), three reconnaissance squadrons, armed with up to 12 Letov Š-16LS, 2 Hawker Hind and 10 Stampe SV.5, and a naval reconnaissance squadron with 4 Fairey Seal and two other planes. In 1939, Latvia ordered and paid for 30 British Hawker Hurricane fighters, but due to the country being overrun, they were never delivered. By 1940, there were almost 130 aircraft in service.

A separate, mostly light aircraft Aviation Regiment of the Aizsargi organization also existed parallel to the air force until the Soviet occupation. In addition to biplanes, it also purchased planes locally produced by the VEF factory, e.g. at least four I-12 trainers in 1938.

The roundel of the air force since 1919 was an maroon-red ugunskrusts, with the Aizsargi Aviation Regiment adopting an auseklis symbol as their insignia (which was replicated by the National Guard airmen later in the 1990s).

In 1940, the Aviation Regiment and the Latvian Armed Forces were dissolved after the Soviet occupation of Latvia and some aircraft and personnel were pressed into service of the Soviet Air Force.

Since 1992

The post-Soviet Latvian Air Force was formed on 24 February 1992 at Spilve Airport. In August 1994 the air force moved to the ex-Soviet Lielvārde Air Base. As the withdrawing Soviet Air Force did not leave any aircraft in Latvia, the first aircraft operated by the air force were four Polish PZL Mi-2U helicopters that were received from civilian aviation in 1992. These were supplemented with two Let L-410UVP utility planes donated by Germany in 1993, however, one was lost in a 1995 accident in Lielvārde. Six PZL-104 Wilga-35A trainer aircraft from ex-DOSAAF stocks were mostly used by the Aviation Component of the Latvian National Guard since 1993. Similarly, the Component acquired around 20 LET L-13 Blaník, three SZD-48-3 Jantar Standard 3 and three LAK-12 gliders.

In the beginning of the 21st century two new and heavier Mi-8MTV Hip helicopters were bought. Both helicopters are fitted with search and rescue equipment, but are also used for transportation of troops, evacuation and support of the Special Forces. In 2000, the Aviation Component of the National Guard was merged into the air force.

In 2004 the Ministry of Defense bought two more Mi-8MTV's at the Russian Ulan Ude helicopter (rework) factory. These two might replace the first two, because of the limited flying time left on the first two examples. One Mi-8MTV is normally at SAR stand-by in Riga, which is closer to the sea than Lielvārde. In 2004, the air force has commenced the modernization of the surface air defense capabilities by signing a contract regarding procurement of RBS-70 missiles.

In 2005, soldiers of the Air Force Air Defense Wing started the respective training course. One Air Defense Battery was to be supplied with the armament; and the personnel training of the Air Defense Wing was completed by the end of 2007.

It was planned to accommodate all the air force units at the Lielvārde military base in the near future. AF Air Operations Center was opened in 2009. Renovation of the air base was finished by 2014. In July 2018, it was reported that the Ministry of Defence was planning to buy four helicopters to perform search and rescue, evacuation, and firefighting operations. On August 3, 2018, the US State Department issued a news release, which stated that it had approved a possible Foreign Military Sale of four UH-60M Black Hawk helicopters to Latvia. On September 11, 2018, an intergovernmental agreement with the United States for the acquisition of four UH-60M helicopters was concluded by the Cabinet of Ministers. The first deliveries would take place at the end of 2022.

In May 2020, Ministry of Defence announced plans to renovate three of four An-2. One aircraft is already in use, which was completely refurbished in 2016. The second refurbished An-2 was received in August 2020 and the third in December 2021, with plans to modernize the fourth An-2 within two years. In September 2021, the air force signed a contract for the purchase of two locally made ultralight Pelegrin Tarragons with delivery planned in 2022 and 2023.

Following the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022, Latvia has donated to Ukraine 2 Mil Mi-8MTV-1 transport helicopters, 2 Mil Mi-2 transport helicopters and 2 Mi-17 helicopters.

Freed up funds have allowed the Ministry of Defence to purchase four MD 530F Cayuse Warrior light helicopters; delivery date is planned to be between 2026 and 2027.

Mission
The air force carries out Latvian airspace surveillance, control and defense, provides air defense support to the Land Forces units and participates in search and rescue operations over the Baltic Sea, the Gulf of Riga and dry land. They also transport NAF soldiers and cargo, provide transport for the State President, as well as other high-level Latvian and foreign officials during their visits to Latvia and abroad. AF aircraft also assist other NAF units, the Interior Ministry and the Crisis Medicine Centre. The air force carries out the national airspace surveillance by military radars included in its armament.

One of the key priorities for the development of the AF is their integration into the NATO Air Defense System. The modernization of air defense equipment and the training of personnel is carried out with this purpose in mind. Enhancing the Air Space Surveillance System, developing a search and rescue helicopter subdivision and personnel training are also included on this list of priorities. air force helicopters in co-operation with the Disaster Medicine Center also transport patients in grave condition, persons injured in accidents and persons injured in traffic accidents from rural regions to Riga hospitals.

Development of the Lielvārde military base will ensure centralization of air force units and establishment of an efficient command and control system, which will result in a reduction of the maintenance costs of the air force units.

The main mission of air force is to:
 * Provide for the control and defense of the national air space;
 * Provide combat and mobilization readiness for units;
 * Participate in people and object search and rescue operations;
 * Perform air transportation duties and air defense.

Structure

 * Air Force Headquarters, at Lielvārde Air Base
 * Aviation Squadron, at Lielvārde Air Base
 * Squadron Staff
 * Helicopter Section (UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters)
 * Transport Plane Section (An-2 aircraft)
 * Training Section
 * Rescue Section (UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters)
 * Aircraft Maintenance Section
 * Air Surveillance Squadron, at Lielvārde Air Base
 * Air Operations Center, at Lielvārde Air Base, reports to the Baltic Air Surveillance Network's Regional Airspace Surveillance Coordination Centre, in Karmėlava in Lithuania
 * 1st Radiotechnical (Radar) Post, at Lielvārde Air Base, with AN/TPS-77
 * 2nd Radiotechnical (Radar) Post, in Audriņi, with AN/TPS-77
 * 3rd Radiotechnical (Radar) Post, in Čalas, with AN/TPS-77
 * Mobile Radar Section, with TPS-77 MRR
 * Signal Section
 * Engineer Section
 * Security Platoon
 * Air Defense Division, at Lielvārde Air Base
 * Staff and Supply Battery
 * 1st Air Defense Battery (PS-70 (aka Giraffe 40) radar and RBS 70 missile systems)
 * 2nd Air Defense Battery (PS-70 (aka Giraffe 40) radar and RBS 70 missile systems)
 * 3rd Air Defense Battery (PS-70 (aka Giraffe 40) radar and RBS 70 missile systems)
 * Signal and Flight Support Section, at Lielvārde Air Base
 * Air Force Training Center, at Lielvārde Air Base

Retired
Previous aircraft flown were Let L-410UVP Turbolet, PZL-104 Wilga 35-A, Mil Mi-8MTV, Mi-17 and the PZL Mi-2U.

Commissioned officers
The rank insignia for commissioned officers.

Enlisted
The rank insignia for enlisted personnel.

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Fourth Army (United Kingdom)

The Fourth Army was a field army that formed part of the British Expeditionary Force during the First World War. The Fourth Army was formed on 5 February 1916 under the command of General Sir Henry Rawlinson to carry out the main British contribution to the Battle of the Somme.

History
The Fourth Army was formed in France on 5 February 1916, under the command of Sir Henry Rawlinson. It was created in preparation for the Battle of the Somme after the French Tenth Army was transferred to the Battle of Verdun. On the first day on the Somme, eleven Fourth Army divisions (from XIII Corps, XV Corps, III Corps, X Corps and VIII Corps) attacked astride the Albert–Bapaume road. The attack was completely defeated on the northern sector, so subsequent Fourth Army operations concentrated on the southern sector, handing control of the northern sector to the Reserve Army.

The plan for the Fourth Army during the Third Battle of Ypres (31 July – 10 November 1917), was to mount Operation Hush, an amphibious invasion of the Belgian coast. Once the Germans had been pushed back from the Passchendaele–Westroosebeke ridge and an advance begun on Roeselare and Torhout, the XV Corps would mount the coastal operation. As the Ypres fighting became bogged down, the Fourth Army divisions were drawn off as reinforcements until the army was effectively disbanded.

The Fourth Army was reformed in early 1918—once again under Rawlinson—following the virtual destruction and subsequent disbanding of the Fifth Army during the German offensive known as Operation Michael.

The Fourth Army spearheaded the British Hundred Days offensive that began with the Battle of Amiens and ended with the Armistice in November, 1918.

Order of Battle
On the first day of the Somme the Fourth Army comprised:
 * III Corps, commanded by Lieutenant-General Sir William Pulteney.
 * 1st Division
 * 8th Division
 * 12th (Eastern) Division
 * 19th (Western) Division
 * 23rd Division
 * 34th Division
 * VIII Corps, commanded by Lieutenant-General Aylmer Hunter-Weston. (transferred to Reserve Army on 4 July)
 * 4th Division
 * 29th Division
 * 31st Division
 * 48th (South Midland) Division
 * X Corps, commanded by Lieutenant-General Thomas Morland. (transferred to Reserve Army on 4 July)
 * 12th (Eastern) Division
 * 25th Division
 * 32nd Division
 * 36th (Ulster) Division
 * 49th (West Riding) Division
 * XIII Corps, commanded by Lieutenant-General Walter Congreve.
 * 3rd Division
 * 9th (Scottish) Division
 * 18th (Eastern) Division
 * 30th Division
 * 35th Division
 * XV Corps
 * 7th Division
 * 17th (Northern) Division
 * 21st Division
 * 33rd Division
 * 38th (Welsh) Division
 * New Zealand Division

When reformed for the Battle of Amiens:
 * Cavalry Corps, commanded by Lieutenant-General Kavanagh
 * 1st Cavalry Division
 * 2nd Cavalry Division
 * 3rd Cavalry Division
 * III Corps, commanded by Lieutenant-General Richard Butler
 * 12th (Eastern) Division
 * 18th (Eastern) Division
 * 47th (2nd London) Division, included the 131st Infantry Regiment, 33rd American Division
 * 58th (2/1st London) Division
 * Canadian Corps, commanded by Lieutenant-General Arthur Currie
 * 32nd Division
 * 1st Canadian Division
 * 2nd Canadian Division
 * 3rd Canadian Division
 * 4th Canadian Division
 * Australian Corps, commanded by Lieutenant-General John Monash
 * 17th (Northern) Division
 * 1st Australian Division
 * 2nd Australian Division
 * 3rd Australian Division
 * 4th Australian Division
 * 5th Australian Division.

In September 1918 the Army was the only British force reinforced with substantial American (AEF) forces:
 * II Corps, American Expeditionary Force under Major General George Read
 * 27th Infantry Division AEF
 * 30th Infantry Division AEF

Commanders

 * February 1916–February 1918 General Sir Henry Rawlinson
 * February–March 1918 General Sir William Birdwood (temporary)
 * April 1918–March 1919 General Sir Henry Rawlinson

Second World War
In the Second World War, no Fourth Army took the field but as part of the deception plans Operation Cockade and the later Operation Fortitude North, the Germans were encouraged to believe that a Fourth Army had been established with its headquarters in Edinburgh Castle and was preparing to invade Norway. The selection of the inactive Fourth Army was likely very deliberate because of its combat history during the First World War. That diverted and kept German units away from the real invasion zone in Normandy. In the subsequent Operation Fortitude South, the Fourth Army, with different units, was presented as part of the fictitious First United States Army Group (FUSAG) in its threat to the Pas-de-Calais. After Operation Market Garden, the Fourth Army was notionally intended to conduct Operation Trolleybar, an amphibious assault upon the coast of the Netherlands and later along the German coast. It was to involve a landing by the phantom 76th Infantry Division until the deception was ended in January 1945.

Fortitude North
HQ at Edinburgh
 * II corps.svg British II Corps (fictitious - HQ Stirling)
 * 55 inf div -vector2.svg 55th Infantry Division (Northern Ireland)
 * 58th Infantry Division (fictitious, Aberlour)
 * 113th Independent Infantry Brigade (garrison for Orkney and Shetland Islands)
 * VII Corps WW1.jpg VII Corps (fictitious - HQ Dundee)
 * 52 inf div -vector.svg 52nd (Lowland) Infantry Division (Dundee)
 * US 55th Infantry Division SVG.svg US 55th Infantry Division (fictitious - Iceland)
 * Ranger Tab.svg 7th, 9th & 10th US Ranger battalions (fictitious - Iceland)
 * US XV Corps SSI.svg US XV Corps (Northern Ireland)
 * 2nd Infantry Division (US) SSI.png US 2nd Infantry Division
 * US 5th Infantry Division.svg US 5th Infantry Division
 * 8th Infantry Division patch.svg US 8th Infantry Division

Fortitude South
HQ at Hathfield
 * 2nd Airborne Division (fictitious - Bulford)
 * II corps.svg II Corps (fictitious - HQ Tunbridge Wells)
 * 35th Armoured Brigade (Maresfield)
 * 55 inf div -vector2.svg 55th Infantry Division (Three Bridges
 * British 58th Infantry Division (fictitious - Gravesend)
 * VII Corps WW1.jpg VII Corps (fictitious - HQ Folkestone)
 * 61 inf div -vector.svg 61st Infantry Division (Wye)
 * British 80th Infantry (Reserve) Badge.svg 80th Infantry Division (fictitious - Canterbury)
 * 5th Armoured Division (fictitious - Newmarket)

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Wadley

Wadley may refer to:

South Africa

 * Wadley Stadium, an association football stadium

United Kingdom

 * Wadley, County Durham
 * Wadley, Oxfordshire, a hamlet in the parish of Littleworth, Vale of White Horse

United States

 * Wadley, Alabama, a town in Alabama
 * Wadley, Georgia, a city in Georgia

Other uses

 * Wadley (surname)
 * Wadley loop

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Fourth Army

Fourth Army or 4th Army may refer to:

Germany

 * 4th Army (German Empire), a World War I field Army
 * 4th Army (Wehrmacht), a World War II field army
 * 4th Panzer Army

Russia - Soviet Union

 * 4th Army (Russian Empire)
 * 4th Army (RSFSR)
 * 4th Army (Soviet Union)
 * 4th Air Army, Soviet Union and Russia
 * 4th Guards Army, Soviet Union
 * 4th Tank Army, Soviet Union

Others

 * 4th Army (Austria-Hungary)
 * Fourth Army (Bulgaria)
 * Fourth Army (National Revolutionary Army), Republic of China
 * New Fourth Army, Republic of China
 * Fourth Army (France)
 * Fourth Army (Italy)
 * Fourth Army (Japan)
 * Fourth Army (Ottoman Empire)
 * Fourth Army (Romania)
 * Fourth Army (United Kingdom)
 * Fourth United States Army
 * 4th Army (Kingdom of Yugoslavia)

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List of Major League Baseball leaders in home runs by pitchers

In baseball, a home run (HR) is typically a fair hit that passes over an outfield fence or into the stands at a distance from home plate of 250 feet or more, which entitles the batter to legally touch all bases and score without liability. Atypically, a batter who hits a fair ball and touches each base in succession from 1st to home, without an error being charged to a defensive player, is credited with an inside-the-park home run. If, during a play, defensive or fan interference is called, and the awarded bases allow the batter to cross home plate, the batter is credited with a home run.

Wes Ferrell once held the all-time Major League Baseball record for home runs hit while playing the position of pitcher. He hit 37 as a pitcher. Baseball Hall of Famers Bob Lemon and Warren Spahn are tied for second with 35 career home runs apiece. Red Ruffing, Earl Wilson, and Don Drysdale are the only other pitchers to hit at least 25 home runs. Jack Stivetts hit a total of 35 home runs in his playing career, 21 as a pitcher. Ferrell and Ruffing also rank among the top pitchers in batting average, hitting .280 and .269, respectively.

As of the 2023 season, Shohei Ohtani, holds the lead among all active pitchers. Madison Bumgarner, with 19 home runs, holds the lead among all active pitchers that exclusively do so. Bumgarner also has hit the second most home runs by a pitcher since the American League adopted the designated hitter rule in 1973 (behind Carlos Zambrano). Bumgarner has played most of his career thus far for the San Francisco Giants of the National League, and is currently playing for the Arizona Diamondbacks. Starting with the 2022 season, the National League also adopted the designated hitter rule, so most pitchers will no longer bat, except two-way players, such as Shohei Ohtani.

Ferrell, who had a career slash line of .280/.351/.446, had his best offensive year in 1931, when he set the single-season record for home runs by a pitcher with nine. The record had previously been held by Stivetts, who had hit seven in 1890. Since 1931, six different pitchers have hit seven home runs in a season: Ferrell, Lemon, Don Newcombe, Don Drysdale (twice), Wilson, and Mike Hampton.

Babe Ruth started his major league career as a pitcher before moving to the outfield. Only 14 of his 714 career home runs were hit as a pitcher, however.

The first pitcher to officially hit a home run was Jack Manning, who accomplished the feat on August 3, 1876. The most home runs by a pitcher in a single game is three, achieved by Jim Tobin on May 13, 1942.

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Talk:500 home run club

There should be an asterisks next to Bonds name.
Its simple. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thprfssnl (talk • contribs) 17:24, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No asterisk. Not unless Major League Baseball says so. Kingturtle (talk) 17:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Is it really not maintaining "neutrality," WikiEditors?
Forget about the "asterisks"! We are being told that we cannot even add factual commentary about these illegal and criminal substance users when it is factual and when we are not claiming to want to use an asterisk (yet, at least--until MLB approves it)! If it is common knowledge, in the news, witnessed, in a police record or public record, corroborated, and so objectively provable to be true, then why is it claimed by WikiBots and Editors to be "not neutral"??? In other words:

Commenting on the existence of steroid and illegal substance use does not indicate that an editor is not being neutral. This information is factual and is being documented not only by facts uncovered and corroborated through the media and by witnesses--but it is also being documented by other organizations. As long as no pejorative language is used, it is certainly current, newsworthy, objective, factual, and neutral to point out that some members of major league baseball's "lists" have been found guilty of crimes regarding illegal drug use or substance use, are under investigation, or may someday be subject to further rulings or denotations. This is simply objective and factual and current--not biased and certainly not an "un-neutral" position or comment to include. And the above is more and more true month by month
 * Discussions of steroid use belong on articles about steroid use and on articles about players involved. Such a discussion does not belong on this article. Kingturtle (talk) 17:45, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This discussion (and my point) are about the technical application of the "neutrality" rule--NOT about steroid use, per se. In said articles or Lists, edits were made using the "neutrality" rule and "MLB policy" as justification.  The edits were not based upon the topicality of "steroid use"--a different point.  So, the question remains: In this day in the information society where daily, weekly, and monthly new and increasingly substantial and factual information--as well as factually significant legal and moral and practical information--keeps coming out on steroids and illegal substances used by some (not all, but some) players in baseball (e.g., look at the Derek Jeter news conference and comments recently about the impact of all of this issue on MLB in general and on non-steroid users)--the question remains: is simply mentioning (not "politicizing, but simply factually mentioning) the critical issue of the controversy of steroid and illegal substance use in the context of these articles a demonstration of "not maintaining "neutrality" or going against "MLB policy"?  I would say not necessarily.  It must be monitored on a case by case edit and article.  To make the claim that "it (asterisk discussion) is not MLB policy" while in fact the use of these very substances "is not MLB policy" either is to be simply facetious.  To claim that simply mentioning what is now an increasingly consuming issue (steroid/illegal substance) in many quarters is, in fact, "not being neutral" is just not accurate.  It is more a matter of degree and qualitative and quantitative analysis of the particular contribution and the particular article.  This is true of many issues affecting sports.  Steroid use is not like a "corked bat incident"--it is much more profound than that.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rbfitz0529 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, there are definitely proper places for such information - Mitchell Report (baseball), List of Major League Baseball players suspended for performance-enhancing drugs, and the articles of the players involved. Player statistical records are not yet officially marked by Major League Baseball - and therefore articles about statistical achievements should not be involved in the steroids issue. Kingturtle (talk) 14:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Sosa and drug use
I don't think that it was ever proven that Sammy Sosa took steroids or other drugs. Unless it was confirmed, I'm going to remove the asterisk next to his name in a bit.

Max Elstein 01:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Well he's been implicated at least....what I want to know is where is the asterisk by Mcguire's name???
 * There should be no asterisks by anyone's name. Asterisks have all been removed. Bjewiki 09:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed rankings
I removed the rankings since we also have the article Top 500 home run hitters of all time which is meant solely to be a ranking of the home run hitters. The 500 Home run club is more of a collection of players who have hit 500 home runs, and could be ordered in various other ways (date of entry into the club, alphabetical). It doesn't matter to me how we order it, but I think that since we have a separate article for ranking them, we shouldn't have numerical ranks here. — siro χ  o

The last edit from Dale Arnet (8/30/07) led me to thinking ..... is it or is it not usual fto list tied players in order that they reached a particular mark, nad not alphabetically? I am bringing up a point that is ultimately not very important, but was curious for opinions. For example, I would list Williams ahead of McCovey because Ted Williams got there first.TeganX7 06:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Age at 500
I think a great additional column to the table would be the player's age (years, months, days) at the time he joined the 500 club. I added the column to the table, but I am not aware of any sources for the ages. -Greg
 * All the needed information is there. The player's birthdate is known, and the date of 500 is known.  What would be useful is a template that calculates the difference between two dates.  I didn't see any here: Category:Date_mathematics_templates. Bjewiki 10:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've started the task manually...kind of a pain...I'll try to finish tonight. - Greg
 * Here's a good calculator to make it easier Bjewiki 23:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I actually used http://www.export911.com/convert/lapTlME.htm, which is slightly better in that it gives years, weeks, days. I still needed to convert weeks to months though, another pain.  -Greg  3/22/07

As a related note does anyone have any idea where information exists in terms at what career at-bat a player reached 500 home runs. I am grateful for the age data, but would also like to see the "at-bat" data. I think that data is important for comparing players like Hank Aaron and Willie Mays who lost part of their careers to military service or the lack of integration at the time (for example). TeganX7 5 August 2007
 * I agree. At bats information would be a very nice addition. I was just comparing that information myself yesterday and it would be very good to add to these articles.--otduff t/c 21:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Table formatting error
Could someone more experienced with Wikipedia tables take a look at the formatting of the "Next 5 Closest" table? It appears squished to the right of the main table. Carbonite | Talk 15:15, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, Carbonite, sorry about that. I never did see what the problem was with my table (looking back on the previous edits) until now, as I am on a different computer (at my school). The table looked just as the actual Club table on my computer. I don't know what was wrong but in hindsight, I supposed it wasn't necessary. Thanks for the help. FPAtl 00:42, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Asterisks
why are they there? WillC 19:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Someone put them in on May 29th to indicate "players implicated in steroid scandal". However, somewhere along the way, the description of the asterik got lost (used to be below the active player key). Additionally, the asterik next to Bonds' number seems to have been lost too, likely when his total was updated. Bjewiki 18:46, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

OK ..... I'm no fan of Mr. Bonds, nor am I an apologist for the steroids era. I am a fan of Frank Thomas, and believe he was clean getting to 500 homers. BUT ..... this whole putting asterisks by people's names is a tad ludicrous. If this is true, maybe we need to consider putting special marks for players who played in longer seasons, didn't play against African-Americans, never had to play on the west coast, and never played in the pitching favored late 60s through the 80s. Let the courts and baeball administrators decide how to handle this. I thought the point of articles and lists on this site was to provide factual information, not judgements. TeganX7 5 August 2007

This is not a judgement. It is to indicate a player's involvement in the scandal, so that anyone who sees the list can do their own research on the subject (by the way, there is a Wikipedia article on it, I linked to it). Maybe we should put special marks for all those other things, but the fact that we haven't done so does not mean that we should remove this one. It's going back on there, if you want to remove it discuss here first before removing it. Bovester 18:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

 * There is no justification for having an asterisk in this article whatsoever. Like TeganX7 I'm definitely no fan of Barry Bonds, but this is not the place to air something which is in violation of WP:POV. Whether or not an individual is linked to a steroid scandal does not impact the fact that they have hit 500 home runs or more during the course of their career. I don't believe Bonds has reached this level "naturally," so to speak, but he's never tested positive and he's never been suspended or chastized by Major League Baseball for steroids, and although the popular opinion is to hold his home run record with high suspicion, no asterisk or any other qualifier has ever been placed on him. Therefore, since the scandal and the 500 home run club have no intrinsic connection, there's no justification in any way, shape, or form for hanging the scarlet letter here. - RPIRED 19:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Bovestar, I am sorry for coming across more strongly than I should have, and I direct none of this at you. You're right. I should have discussed first and deleated later.

I see two points of concern: 1. When I came across this, Rafael Palmeiro, the only person on this list to actually test positive beyond a doubt, had no asterik. My interpretation was that this came across more as "anti-Bonds" in nature than "steroids/performance enhancement" in nature. This is why I took it down when I did.

2. I'm not sure that adding an asterik necessarily violates a POV rule in the strictest sense (no question that he's involved), but then we need to go through over time and find and mark every player involved across the board, otherwise I think it becomes interpretable as a POV issue, which I think we all agree we want to avoid. Further, it would need to be made very clear that this (at least for now) is an allegation.

3. Besdies, if we had to account for every possible issue that affected the number, it would be a lot of symbols: † allegation of amphetamine use †† numbers possibly inflated because this player never played against African-American players etc.
 * involved in steroid/HGH scandal of the 1990s-2000s
 * numbers artificially lowered due to military service
 * † numbers possible lowered because their career begane before integration

I don't want to come across as a know it all by any means .... I just think that this particular topic can be handeled with greater clarity and completeness in individual player articles. TeganX7 06:19 7 August 2007 (UTC)

There needs to be some way of indicating which of these numbers were actual human accomplishments, and which numbers were put up by steroid-fueled monsters.

(New comment...the one above wasn't signed) I think that the asterisks are completely ludicrous, for the most part. If you want to put one by Palmiero, the only proven cheater, then do so. But I really don't see the point of the marking every player who has played the bulk of their careers in the 1990s and 2000s. No one has accused Frank Thomas, Alex Rodriguez or Manny Ramirez of using steroids, for example. Why do they get asterisks? I'm sure that some would say that anyone who played in a park like Fenway or Yankee Stadium that has a short-porch should also be considered to have inflated numbers. And what's to say that someone like Eddie Murray didn't use steroids later in his career? Or that Mike Schmidt didn't use amphetamines in the 1970s and 1980s? Marking players for what is only speculation, no matter how strong the circumstantial evidence seems, dilutes the purpose of the asterisk, which is to mark the known cheaters. Kat0211 18:16, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

 * The Reference links don't belong. They're prejudicial in nature. While some of the players with the notes probably used steroids (and Palmero definately did), to label all players with the link because they played in the 90s-00s is borderline defamation (especially the way the links have been labeled previously). No one has ever accused Griffey or Rodriguez, the evidence is just not there. And yet they were labeled as "likely steroid abusers" in a recent edit! While the notes been softened since, that they're still labeled smacks of guilt-by-association, just because they happened to play at the same time as a bunch of likely cheaters. We should, nay must, remove it just so those not involved with anything aren't defamed needlessly. If some are later firmly proven as users, we can label them at that time. But there's no good reason to drag the names of all through the mud just because of when they played. oknazevad 18:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Mt. Crushmore
Does anyone else think the Mt. Crushmore line should be removed, or atleast modified? I've never heard anyone "commonly" call it that, and googling the term returns very few results #3 of which is this page. The other references seemed to be from MLB.com and SF Giants website when Bonds hit his 600th. My point is, I don't think this is a common term at all, or even worth mentioning. Anyone else agree/disagree? Bjewiki 22:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

600 HR Club
Did anyone notice there's now a page for the 600 home run club? Although, it appears that it's solely being maintained by Soxrock. The 600 HR page seems completely redundant to me. Plus, what's the stop someone from creating a 650 HR club page? or a 700 HR club? etc. I personally think it should just be deleted, what does anyone else think? Bjewiki 12:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Page becoming cluttered/eyesore...
I think this page is becoming a little cluttered. Recent additions have included columns for opposing pitchers, teams hit against, box score of game, not to mention the flag icons for the players, and the opposing pitchers. All of this is making the page a little bit of an eyesore (atleast to me). Personally, I feel that the opposing team, and flags should be removed. The flags don't really add anything, and the opposing team can easily be determined from looking at the boxscore. Additionally, does the box score really need it's own column??? Maybe just put it as a link after the date of the 500th HR. Bjewiki 18:02, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I concur with this opinion and the suggested means of action.-MBK004 18:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed the flag icons & the opposing pitcher. I left the boxscore where it is for now, because it didn't really look right anywhere else.  Also, i made the tabel sortable, which isn't really useful for every column, but is for #, HR, Age & Seasons. Bjewiki 18:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

For what its worth, I would favor removing the rank (which should be obvious), and the years of service (available on each player's page). I would like to see the opposing pitcher kept because not every player's page necessarily has that info.TeganX7 04:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I'd actually prefer a little more detail on the actual 500th HR in each instance, so combining existing columns would be useful. Years active could follow each name, and the opposing pitcher's team could also follow their name, for example. The page isn't very long as is. MisfitToys 22:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

stadiums
Major League Baseball home run milestones was recently turned into a redirect to this article. The justification was that all the data at Major League Baseball home run milestones was already here. Missing here is the ballpark names. Kingturtle (talk) 05:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Oldest/youngest
I added (diff) notations of the youngest and oldest players at the time of their 500th; this was reverted with a notation "not needed." Not wishing to get into an edit/revert war, I thought I'd bring the issue here. Please comment on whether A-Rod and The Splendid Splinter should be identified with regard to their extreme ages.Matchups 03:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Barry Bonds is an active player
He hasn't retired, even though he hasn't played yet in 2008. He's active, so his name should be in bold. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.212.65 (talk) 00:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Asteroidisks
Who doesn't know what they mean? Well, non-Americans reading this article.

If you use an asterisk, it has to be linked to an explanation of its meaning. Please add a note of explanation, accompanied by a secondary source, or remove the asterisk, otherwise its OR, or your feelings about Bonds, neither of which is encyclopedia-worthy.

I'm going to remove it if it's not sourced soon enough. --69.225.5.183 (talk) 08:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I didn't check the edit history. Appears it was vandalism. --69.225.5.183 (talk) 10:28, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Happy138 (talk) 10:31, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Columns for Pitcher Who Pitched the Last HR Hit by the Person
Why don't we add in a column for the pitcher that gave up the last HR to all retired players along with the date of the last HR? Having a column for the 1st HR for these people would be nice to see too. 161.185.151.150 (talk) 17:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Why the change in format?
I think the asterisk debate is irrelevant, but a more important point is that the old format of this page was better (before July 16, 2010). It encompassed other milestones like 600 and 700, which are just as important if not more important, and included the ages of each batter as he passed the milestone, which is also a very important figure. Opposing pitcher data has also been removed, and although the editing user said it was "unsourced," it could easily be gleaned from the box scores that were linked for nearly every milestone HR on the list. So, if anything, it was just improperly sourced.

The only thing that has been added is the active years for each player. I think this is more relevant than the "teams played for" column on the old page, so a slight improvement there, but it does not make up for all the information that was lost, as "years played in MLB" can be gleaned quickly from visiting an individual player's page.

I think this page should be returned to its old format and updated from there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.102.89.155 (talk) 06:57, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The old format left enormous blank columns for the majority of the members, was broadly unsourced in different ways (I'd gladly re-add the pitcher who surrendered the 500th column if you can source the older guys), and this isn't a list about 600 or 700 HRs so those additional columns that ruined the formatting were outside the realm of the list anyways. Staxringold talkcontribs 22:23, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Where should the list of members linked to PEDs go?
I noticed that my addition of the recent players linked to PED usage—complete with reliable references—was deleted. My only question is: Where should this go, if not here? Since the article already states that several players were linked to PEDs, why shouldn't the specific players be listed if they've admitted to use or been linked to use by reliable sources? — Dale Arnett (talk) 02:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Because that's not the topic of the article, and by it's very nature will be incomplete as steroids have been used since the 60s and 70s but there's basically no investigation of pre-Canseco users. It's selective content outside the realm of the article, it should go nowhere. Staxringold talkcontribs 03:02, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't like to revisit this so long after the original discussion, but I do have a comment. After further thought, I decided you were both right and wrong. You were right about it not belonging in this particular list. However, I strongly disagree that the information "should go nowhere". I believe it's too important a part of baseball history to be swept under the rug, so to speak, and I believe there HAS to be at least one article, if not more, where that specific information would be useful.. — Dale Arnett (talk) 09:05, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't mean nowhere on Wikipedia, I meant nowhere in this article. I completely agree that a List of MLB players linked to PEDs or something would have grounds to exist ON THE PROJECT, I just meant not here. Staxringold talkcontribs 17:03, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Understood. :) — Dale Arnett (talk) 19:20, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

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Jim Thome's current team
Jim Thome's current team is the Minnesota Twins, should this be changed from Chicago White Sox? 209.150.195.106 (talk) 19:44, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

 * What makes you think his current team should be listed? It's detailed information of his 500th HR... and the team he hit it with... Blahblah32blahblah (talk) 20:15, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Reversions of PED-related additions by Jpeterson
Just to make clear, these edits have been reverted by myself (and then independently today by Happy) for 2 major reasons: (1) They are unsourced, incomplete, and inaccurate and (2) They are largely outside the scope of the article here. On the first point the "tests" are unsourced and largely untrue. There is no public, published, verified source that shows a positive test by Bonds, Sosa, Sheffield, or McGwire (though Sheff and McGwire at least admitted their use, still doesn't fit the "tested positive" note as added). Additionally, unless further info comes out about this 2nd test that forced his retirement, Manny also never tested positive for a PED, he was suspended for a positive test of a PED masking agent. Additionally the data is incomplete, and therefore rather bias inducing. If you aren't going to limit it explicitly to players caught red handed, how can you possibly be accurate? Aaron's own teammate Tom House used steroids and said they were rampant already at that time. How do you know what Aaron, Mays, Mathews, Banks, Killebrew, et al did? As I noted in an email exchange (Jpeterson contacted me through Wiki's email function), Willie Mays and Mike Schmidt took amphetamines, an illegal performance enhancing substance, why weren't they tagged in his (repeated) edits? Then, and this is more fundamental in my opinion, this information has no real place here. The general subject of PEDs is mentioned in the lead because it does garner media attention. But hijacking this list (using bright, flashy colors including one that overrides an existing colored field for active players) to turn it into another Mitchell Report/Performance enhancing drugs in baseball clone destroys it's purpose. Leave the witch hunting to the articles about the witch hunt. Staxringold talkcontribs 03:55, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to add that I second this, Happy beat me to the revert on this earlier today. It was one of those times where you click revert only to see another editor beat you to it. PED issues have no place on this page. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:15, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Handedness
What do others think about including the handedness of the players? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.33.71.182 (talk) 00:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I was going to ask the same thing.Markjoseph125 (talk) 01:16, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Mathews 511/512
Wondering about the inconsistency in Ed Mathews’ home run total. In 1959 Mathews’ Milwaukee Braves lost the NL pennant to the LA Dodgers in a postseason playoff. Mathews had finished the regular season tied with Ernie Banks for the league home run lead with 45 each, but Mathews hit another in the playoff and was credited with the home run title with 46. I was 12 years old at the time and I remember thinking that this was unfair, the extra playoff games shouldn’t count as part of the regular season. Could this be the reason for the discrepancy in Mathews’ career total (511 vs. 512)? If so, this could be explained in the footnote at the bottom of the table. Can someone verify whether this is in fact the explanation of the discrepancy? Dodiad (talk) 10:33, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Teams
The addition of every team a player has played for is unnecessary. It clutters the page and makes the table far less readable. Further, it's not relevant to this page where else a player has played, and anyone interested in learning that information can simply navigate to the player's biography. This page is for the 500 HR club alone, and not the biographical article for each member. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:51, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

A-rod's status, active or not active?
A-rod seems inactive to me. He's not on any 25 or 40 man roster; not on IR or other sort of "reserve." He's not playing for any team. Without a new contract from a new team, there's no way he plays today.

My friend, a pro sports exec wrote this: "A-rod is not an active player since he signed a new advisor contract with a 2M guarantee .. However, he can be immediately reinstated if he signs a new team deal for the player minimum and works out a new going forward relationship with the Yankees that will eventually get him his money..."

He's a free agent but has no "agency" at the moment. What criterion gives him active status? Can anyone clarify his status? Pabilleter (talk) 21:00, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

 * A player is considered inactive if he has announced his retirement or not played for a full season. Rodriguez has not retired and is listed as a free agent, therefore he is still active. As for that advisor deal with the Yankees, that deal does not become a thing until next season. So next season if he is indeed signed as an advisor and no longer as a player, then we can consider him inactive. Until then, he will remain listed as an active player. Taffe316 (talk) 21:40, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

 * Taffe, Thanks. Where did you find that definition? I searched but couldn't find anything. Is it from MLB? From Players assoc? Pabilleter (talk) 19:08, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

 * You can find it on most stat list pages such as this one. Just click "Notes" in the key. Taffe316 (talk) 05:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

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Marks for Hall of Fame and active players
Can we go with a ^ or a * for the Hall of Fame members and active players, the large crosses make this look like a graveyard, church, or the Vatican All-Star squad. The same marks are used at 3,000 hit club and likely others. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:45, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It doesn't have to be the symbols that are currently in use. Dagger and double dagger are quite common here though. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:22, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's the same cross † in a less distracting mini-version. It still makes it look like the players are deceased and have gone to the great ballpark in the sky.Randy Kryn (talk) 17:28, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:BEBOLD. I don't expect anyone would object to changing the symbols. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:48, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Awhile ago I changed them on a football stats page and was reverted, so will see if someone objects on this talk page first. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:10, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

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Curt Boettcher

Curtis Roy Boettcher (January 7, 1944 – June 14, 1987), sometimes credited as Curt Boetcher or Curt Becher, was an American singer, songwriter, arranger, musician, and record producer from Wisconsin. He was a pivotal figure in what is now termed "sunshine pop", working with the Association, the Millennium, Sagittarius, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Tommy Roe, Elton John, Gene Clark, Emitt Rhodes, Tandyn Almer, the Beach Boys, and others.

The New York Times wrote of Boettcher: "If his life had gone just a bit differently, [he] might have been another Brian Wilson. ... As it stands, Boettcher — a pop-music producer whose heyday was the late '60s — now survives in rock history mostly as a liner-note credit. He could have been, but never was. Yet he enjoys a godlike status among a select group of music fans, for whom obscurity is more enticing than fame."

Early life
He was born in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, to Peggie and Arland Boettcher. His father was a Navy pilot in World War II and later worked at the Pentagon.

The GoldeBriars
Boettcher entered the University of Minnesota in fall 1962, where in 1963 he formed the folk quartet The GoldeBriars with the Holmberg sisters, Dotti and Sheri, and Ron Neilsson. They relocated to Los Angeles after being signed by Epic Records, for whom they recorded and released two albums in 1964, The GoldeBriars and Straight Ahead! (A third was reportedly recorded in 1965 but withheld from release.) Under the guidance of recording producer Bob Morgan, the vocals were mixed upfront and enriched by double-tracking to sound like six voices. Prior to recording their third album, the group added drummer Ron Edgar (later of The Music Machine; Edgar also worked with Boettcher in the bands The Ballroom and The Millennium). According to music historian Joseph Lanza, the GoldeBriars' material tended to follow the standard folk formula of songs such as "Shenandoah", but "acoustically, their style blended the homespun and the sugarspun." Boettcher arranged most of the group's songs, but he also contributed as a songwriter. Morgan, quoted in Lanza's Vanilla Pop, said that Boettcher's childhood as a navy brat influenced songs like "Haiku" on the album Straight Ahead!. Bobb Goldsteinn, an accomplished songwriter (who wrote the 1963 folk-dixie hit "Washington Square" for the Village Stompers), became "Boettcher's manager [and] confidant[e]", as well as lyricist for some GoldeBriars songs. As manager, Goldsteinn inched the band in a more pop-flavored direction. The GoldeBriars performed live in the 1965 film Once Upon a Coffee House.

The Association, The Ballroom, and Tommy Roe
Following the demise of The GoldeBriars, Boettcher moved into production and songwriting work for others, including Lee Mallory and The Association. In 1966, through his production partnership Our Productions, Boettcher produced the debut album by The Association, And Then... Along Comes the Association, released on Valiant Records. The album spawned two Top 10 hits, "Along Comes Mary" (which reached #7 in the U.S.) and "Cherish" (which reached #1). In 2012, original Association member Jim Yester said Valiant Records claimed "Cherish" sounded "too old and archaic", but the song's success "just showed we can have archaic and eat it, too." The album included the song "Message of Our Love", co-written by Boettcher and Tandyn Almer (who also wrote "Along Comes Mary").

Boettcher's wife Claudia said that Almer wrote "Along Comes Mary" as a slow song. Boettcher sped up the tempo and recorded a demo on which he sang the vocal. This demo was presented to The Association, who used it as a guide for their arrangement of the tune. It was the band's attempt to replicate and build on Boettcher's demo that became the group's first hit single (produced by Boettcher). Boettcher and Almer had a dispute over writing credits for the song, Boettcher arguing that his extensive contributions to the arrangement, which formed the basis of the hit version of the song, warranted a co-writer credit. However, the song was ultimately credited solely to Almer.

After the album achieved commercial success, according to a November 1966 story in Billboard, the band dropped their manager, Dean Fredericks, who in turn filed a breach of contract suit against the band, claiming they were bound by a seven-year agreement. After filing suit, Fredericks joined Our Productions. "Consequently," Billboard revealed, "[the] Association will no longer associate with Our Productions, and henceforth will be a&r'd [sic] by Jerry Yester, brother of Association member Jim Yester." As a result of this dispute, despite his valuable contributions to the debut album's commercial breakthrough, Boettcher was prevented from continuing as the band's producer. (He produced several tracks for a later incarnation of the band in the early 1980s.)

In a 1974 interview with ZigZag Magazine, Boettcher said that during this period he was under contract to Our Productions and on salary. This arrangement accorded him no royalties, but a tremendous amount of artistic freedom. "I wanted to keep on working, to be there. I think for a while I had more hours [of studio experience] for any producer my age. I used to practically live in the studio. And I used to work until I fell over. It was like an addiction.

In 1966 he formed the group The Ballroom with Sandy Salisbury, Michele O'Malley, and Jim Bell. The quartet recorded an album's worth of material, but other than two songs on a 1967 Warner Bros. 45 rpm single, the sessions remained unreleased until 2001.

In 1966, he produced two hit singles for Tommy Roe, "Sweet Pea" and "Hooray for Hazel". Production on both was credited to Boettcher's Our Productions partner, Steve Clark, but Boettcher subsequently claimed that he himself produced these recordings. The following year, Boettcher produced Roe's album It's Now Winter's Day (ABC Records).

The Millennium and Sagittarius
Boettcher is said to have met both producer Gary Usher and Beach Boy songwriter Brian Wilson while producing and mixing the first single by Lee Mallory, "That's the Way It's Gonna Be", issued on Valiant Records in 1966. Usher in later years insisted that Boettcher influenced Brian Wilson during the development of the Beach Boys' perennial album Pet Sounds (1966), leading him to "abandon surfing music." Usher's statements are contradicted by session date logs and contemporary publications, wherein band members suggested to news publishers that they were looking beyond the confinements of surf rock as early as November 1964.

Usher bought Boettcher's contract and signed him as a staff producer for Columbia Records. In 1967 he enlisted Boettcher to collaborate on a personal project, a studio band called Sagittarius, under whose name he had produced a single, "My World Fell Down", which became a minor hit. (It was sung by Glen Campbell, who at the time was working as a session musician in Los Angeles, with Bruce Johnston of the Beach Boys on backing vocals.) Because of the modest chart success of the single, Columbia requested a full album, only to discover there was no group. Usher and Boettcher became the studio group, and an album was completed and released in 1968 under the title Present Tense. (Usher and Boettcher are pictured on the cover.) Some of the songs were adapted from the unreleased Ballroom sessions, while others were re-recorded with new arrangements. The single version of "My World Fell Down" was edited differently on the album, omitting a bridge of musique concrète that was on the 45. A second single, "Hotel Indiscreet", recorded with Boettcher (and featuring a comedic non sequitur by the Firesign Theater), was released, but it failed to chart. The album was a commercial failure.

Usher's celebrity, as well as Boettcher's successful productions for The Association and Tommy Roe, convinced Columbia to finance Boettcher's own studio project. In 1967 he assembled a group of musicians and songwriters with whom he had previously worked or personally knew (including Sandy Salisbury, Lee Mallory, Joey Stec, and Michael Fennelly), as well as some top Los Angeles session musicians, and started recording an album under the group moniker The Millennium. The album was co-produced by Keith Olsen, who had been a friend of Boettcher since his college days. Their debut—and only—album, Begin, was the most expensive album ever recorded for Columbia at that point. Despite the release of several singles, sales were dismal and the project was considered a commercial flop. This was partially attributable to Boettcher's reluctance to tour. The group staged a few live performances in Los Angeles, but the difficulty of replicating the album in concert posed a large enough challenge to dissuade Boettcher from sustaining the band. Although the single "It's You" became a hit in several regions, there was no group to support it. "5 AM" also charted in the Philippines. The group recorded one final single, "Just About The Same" b/w "Blight", which was not issued at the time. Despite its commercial failure, the album is critically regarded as one of the finest pop albums from the late 1960s, and has been described at AllMusic as a "bona fide lost classic". In 2000 an album of demos by The Millennium called Again was issued.

Soon after The Millennium broke up, Boettcher's friend Gary Usher, fired by Columbia Records, started a record label called Together Records. He brought in Boettcher and Olsen as staff producers, and Boettcher was involved in several projects for the label. These included his first attempt at a solo album, as well as producing recordings for a Sandy Salisbury solo album, contributing to the second Sagittarius album, and co-producing with Olsen The Moses Lake Recordings by The Bards, which was a mixture of garage rock with psychedelia and sunshine pop elements. Although the second Sagittarius album, The Blue Marble, did see release (and also notched a minor entry on the singles chart with a cover of The Beach Boys' "In My Room", sung by Boettcher), and several Sandy Salisbury singles were released, the label failed before any of Boettcher's other work could be completed. (Some Boettcher projects for Together were released in the early 2000s). Among other Boettcher productions remaining unreleased are sessions for Twice Nicely, guitarist Waddy Wachtel and singer Judy Pulver (co-writers of "Malachi Star", a song on Boettcher's 1973 solo album), a single for (My Three Sons actor) Don Grady of the band Yellow Balloon, and sessions produced with Gary Usher of a guitar duo called Tom and Dick. (Dick was songwriter David Batteau, who would later write songs with and for Boettcher in the band California.) Former Millennium bandmate Ron Edgar played drums on the Tom and Dick sessions. In 1970 Boettcher and Olsen served as mixdown engineers for Emitt Rhodes' first Dunhill album.

Solo recording and The Beach Boys
In the early 1970s, Boettcher had little commercial success and few rewarding recording projects. In 1971, at the insistence of Elektra Records founder-president Jac Holzman, who was a huge fan of Begin, Boettcher signed a deal with Elektra. He warned Holzman that the album would take a long time to produce, and started working on a solo album. The project got a boost when Boettcher met a young multi-instrumentalist named Web Burrell; taking a cue from the early one-man albums by Rhodes, Boettcher decided to record the album in a similar fashion, using few musicians other than Burrell. (Boettcher and Burrell collaborated on at least three published songs. ) After almost two years of work, There's An Innocent Face was released in 1973 under the name Curt Boetcher. It was a continuation of the direction that the Millennium had taken with their unreleased post-Begin recordings, being a collection of songs with country, sunshine pop, arena rock, and folk stylings. The album was a commercial failure. He attempted to record a follow-up album, tentatively titled Chicken Little Was Right, but it was never completed.

In the mid-1970s, Boettcher sang backing vocals on a number of Elton John recordings, including "Don't Go Breaking My Heart", a duet John recorded with Kiki Dee. He also contributed backing vocals to recordings by Tanya Tucker, Helen Reddy, Eric Carmen and Dennis Wilson.

Thereafter, his output as a musician and producer was limited and sporadic. Beginning in 1975, he worked for several years as a disco DJ throughout southern California. His best-known work in the late 1970s was a 10-minute disco version of "Here Comes the Night" by The Beach Boys, which was a moderate hit in 1979 and was included on L.A. (Light Album); it was a remake of the original recording from their 1967 album Wild Honey. As Curt Becher he produced a version of "Shortnin' Bread" for The Beach Boys that emerged on some bootleg collections. He also produced Mike Love's solo album Looking Back With Love. Other productions were largely overlooked, such as the Geno Washington album That's Why Hollywood Loves Me and The Diamonds' Live And Well album. In 1980 he produced new recordings by a later incarnation of The Association, but these tracks were not released. He also produced their 1983 version of "Walk Away Renee," which was included on a Radio Shack promotional album by Mike Love and Dean Torrence entitled Rock & Roll City.

Personal life and death
Little is known about Boettcher's personal life. He married Claudia Ford in the late 1960s, and they had a son, Varek, before they were divorced. A 2013 New York Times Magazine article asserted that Boettcher was gay, and that he tested positive for HIV in the 1980s.

Boettcher died in June 1987 at Los Angeles County Hospital while being treated for a lung infection. His former wife claimed that a blood vessel was clipped in his lung during a biopsy, and the medical staff, fearful of his HIV-positive status, avoided Boettcher while he bled out. Shortly before his death, he set up the Valley Center Studios with musician Mark Antaky and engineer Dave Jenkins.

Cover versions
The Brady Bunch recorded Boettcher's composition "I Just Want To Be Your Friend" for their 1972 album, Meet the Brady Bunch (Paramount Records). Another Boettcher co-composition, "There Is Nothing More to Say", was sung as a solo by Maureen McCormick on Chris Knight & Maureen McCormick, a 1973 album by Brady cast members McCormick and Christopher Knight. The song was reissued as a bonus track on the CD release of The Brady Bunch Phonographic Album.

The Sunshine Company, a Los Angeles rock band, recorded two Boettcher compositions, "I Just Want To Be Your Friend" (on the 1967 album Happy Is the Sunshine Company, Imperial Records 12359), and "If You Only Knew" (on the 1968 album The Sunshine Company, Imperial Records 12368).

The Hep Stars, a 1960s Swedish rock group whose line-up included Benny Andersson before he went on to greater fame in ABBA, recorded four Boettcher compositions, "Another Time", "Musty Dusty" (co-written with Tandyn Almer), "Would You Like To Go" (co-written with Jules "Gary" Alexander of the Association), and "Spinning Spinning Spinning" (co-written with Ruthann Friedman).

Eternity's Children covered a Boettcher composition, "You Know I've Found a Way" on their 1968 album of the same name. A further cover of the song included Sagittarius, who included it on their album, Present Tense.

In April 2013, Beth Sorrentino (formerly of the American rock band Suddenly, Tammy!) released Would You Like To Go: A Curt Boettcher Songbook, produced by Sean Slade and issued in Europe on the Basta label. (It was released in North America on June 10, 2014.) The album includes covers of well-known and obscure Boettcher songs and co-writes, as well as an idiosyncratic recording of "Along Comes Mary" because of the song's strong association with Boettcher. Sorrentino's recording of "You Know I've Found a Way" (co-written by Boettcher and Lee Mallory) was used as the soundtrack for the trailer of Rik Cordero's film Starla.

Discography
As Artist:
 * The GoldeBriars - The GoldeBriars (1964, Epic)
 * The GoldeBriars - Straight Ahead! (1964, Epic)
 * The Ballroom - Preparing for the Millennium (1998, Creation)
 * The Millennium - Begin (1968, Columbia)
 * Sagittarius - Present Tense (1968, Columbia)
 * Sagittarius - The Blue Marble (1969, Together)
 * Curt Boetcher [sic] - There's an Innocent Face (1973, Elektra)
 * Curt Boettcher - Chicken Little Was Right (2004, Rev-Ola)

As Producer:
 * The Association - And Then... Along Comes the Association (1966, Valiant)
 * Tommy Roe - It's Now Winter's Day (1967, ABC)
 * Jameson - Color Him In (1967, Verve)
 * Eternity's Children - Eternity's Children (1968, Tower)
 * The Millennium - Begin (1968, Columbia)
 * Sagittarius - Present Tense (1968, Columbia)
 * Sandy Salisbury - Sandy (1969)
 * The Bards - The Moses Lake Recordings (1969 Together Records)
 * Song - Album (1971, MGM)
 * Sailor - Checkpoint (1977, Epic; co-produced by Bruce Johnston)
 * The Beach Boys - "Here Comes the Night" (extended remix), on L.A. (Light Album) (1979, Brother/Caribou/CBS)
 * Geno Washington - That's Why Hollywood Loves Me (1979, DJM)
 * Mike Love - Looking Back with Love (1981, Boardwalk)
 * The Diamonds - Live and Well (1983)
 * Various Artists: Looking for the Sun: The Lost Productions of Curt Boettcher and Friends (2019, High Moon Records)
 * The Bards - The Moses Lake Recordings, (2002 GearFab records - produced in 1970 for Together Records)

Appears on:
 * Your Gang - Your Gang (1966, Mercury)
 * Friar Tuck - Friar Tuck and his Psychedelic Guitar (1967, Mercury)
 * Chad & Jeremy - Of Cabbages and Kings (1967, Columbia)
 * Chad & Jeremy - The Ark (1968, Columbia)
 * The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers (1968, Columbia)
 * Paul Revere & the Raiders - Hard 'N' Heavy (With Marshmallow) (1969, Columbia)
 * Michele - Saturn Rings (1969, Mercury)
 * Emitt Rhodes - Emitt Rhodes (1970, Dunhill)
 * Emitt Rhodes - Farewell to Paradise (1973, Dunhill)
 * Andy Goldmark - Andy Goldmark (1973, Warner)
 * Elton John - Blue Moves (1976, MCA)
 * Bob Crewe -  Motivation  (1977, Elektra)
 * Eric Carmen - Boats Against the Current (1977, Arista)
 * Helen Reddy - Ear Candy (1977, Capitol)
 * Bruce Johnston - Going Public (1977, Columbia)
 * Dennis Wilson - Pacific Ocean Blue (1977, CBS/Caribou)
 * Tanya Tucker - TNT (1978, MCA)
 * Tony Sciuto - Island Nights (1980, Epic)

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