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Talk:Eclipse (software)

but what does it actually do ???
just came to this looking for some non techie description of what it does, perhaps someone could write a paragraph in non technical english on what this sucker actually does ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.104.55.241 (talk) 12:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

 * It lets people write software programs in Java. It's somewhat more than that, but going into more detail is just going to be a repeat of the article. Ham Pastrami (talk) 13:18, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I think it lets programmers write software in diverse programming languages, not only Java. It's implemented in Java though. ... said: Rursus (bork²) 16:43, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

 * "It lets people write software programs in Java" - So it's a bit like notepad then? What does it *DO*???? 78.146.247.75 (talk) 02:04, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

 * Take a close look at the wiki-links in the lead paragraph. They describe in more detail what it does. For example see Integrated development environment. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 01:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

 * "Eclipse is a multi-language software development platform comprising an IDE and a plug-in system to extend it. It is written primarily in Java and can be used to develop applications in Java and, by means of the various plug-ins, in other languages as well, including [snip]"
 * So, one can develop in multiple languages (like notepad), it has an IDE, which is probably a wonderful thing if only I knew what the IDE does or how it helps, it's written in java (is that good or bad for the user, or totally irrelevant?) and it has plug-ins. What do they do, then?
 * So, again, what does it actually do??? 89.240.200.218 (talk) 17:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

 * So again, try clicking on the links, they explain in more detail, for example about what an IDE is, as I mentioned above. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 15:19, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

 * You're missing the point. I know what an IDE is, I've used them for years. I know what a plugin is. Take a look at this . Multiple downloads for different languages - so where's the single-eclipse-core-plus-plugin-per-language architecture? And why do the downloads vary from 80 to 365 *meg*??? Oh look, further down the page it has a 'rich client platform'. That could have been mentioned at the top of the page. So it's not just IDE+plugins but a whole development library bundled in with a core editor (is that right?). And why should I not use emacs? Aaargh! which part of What Does It Do (translation: why should I bother with it; what does it gain me) is unclear? 78.146.175.187 (talk) 22:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

 * So it's not just IDE+plugins but a whole development library bundled in with a core editor (is that right?). ---The articles already states (first sentence) that Eclipse is not an IDE but a software development platform. The linked articles explains (minimally) what exactly that is and explicitly distinguishes it from an IDE. Why you should use Eclipse as opposed to emacs is entirely up to you. Any of the components listed in the software development platform might be a compelling reason to use Eclipse or some other similar software. It's really quite up to the individual to decide this and not within the scope of the article. Walker222 (talk) 23:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

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What's an OTI?
It doesn't say this anywhere on the page or provide a link that explains it.
 * It stands for 'Object Technology International'. Rcjsuen 22:26, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Third Generation?
It seems somewhat biased to call SWT a third-generation widget toolkit that improves upon Swing, which is still the more popular toolkit. The SWT article has a more neutral viewpoint, including a detailed list of pros and cons as compared to Swing. Anyone else's thoughts? --LostLeviathan 16:10, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I agree, I've softened the language here a little bit, as well as making a few other corrections and improvements to the article. Andrewferrier 18:29, 2004 Nov 30 (UTC)

 * Softened it a bit more.

 * This is still coming across as saying 'SWT obsoletes Swing'. The Widget toolkit article does not discuss generations of toolkits so I've removed the 'nth-generation' language. Gruntbuggly 21:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Name
Shouldn't this article be called Eclipse (software), rather than "Eclipse (computing)" ? Eclipse isn't a computing term, like, say, Port (computing) is. It's software. —Pengo 01:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Probably. 128.226.230.90 13:29, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

OSGi
Why is OSGi referenced here? I see no relation to Eclipse on its pages. Oberiko 16:26, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

OSGi is now being used in Eclipse to provide plug-in functionality. All Eclipse plugin components are OSGi bundles. This was one of the deliverables from Eclipse's Equinox project Ltc 19:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Corporate Uses
It could maybe be mentioned that SAP AG uses Ecplise as the base for its Netweaver Developer Studio

Jack

Intro
Is the first sentence here really sufficient? Eclipse has a Rich Client Platform, but is it proper to say that Eclipse' purpose is rich client applications? --Ej0c 13:38, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This intro seems to blur the terms eclipse and SWT into one, which gives the illusion that eclipse is an SWT development environment (and nothing more). Yea, eclipse can help develop software other than 'rich client applications', but SWTs purpose is solely for 'rich client applications' - 202.138.196.146 22:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Answer to Ej0c is no. Statement 1 and 2 of the intro is quite misleading. Roarjo 20:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

UML Tools
What is the rationale of listing here a set of UML tools that are completely unrelated to Eclipse?

EasyEclipse
Some mention should be made about EasyEclipse, it would seem a good place for people to start with eclipse. http://www.easyeclipse.org Mathiastck 23:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

List of projects with Eclipse specific plugins
We need a List of projects with Eclipse specific plugins. Perhaps it should have a better title. We should also list the number of sites that host their own version of eclipse, with their own plugins built in, like Jboss and Sybmian Carbide. Mathiastck 23:55, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

JRE requirement
No mention in the article that Java jre needs to be installaed to run Eclipse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.138.1.15 (talk • contribs) at 10:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course not, that's pretty logical. And apart from the JRE, you also need a compiler and several other tools to write Java programs. All of this can be found in the JDK. - Face 16:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Related page Eclipse Modeling Project
Eclipse Modeling Project - Is not quite upto scratch in terms of the tone that is used. Could use some help.--Konst.ableTalk 08:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Java Emitter Template(s)
This page is the object of a redirect from Java Emitter Templates but does not mention why. Could someone who understands please add something to justify this link, eg. 'formerly or otherwise known as Java Emitter Templates'. Thanks. 202.64.168.196 09:51, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Capital letter
I wonder if it's Eclipse or eclipse? - Face 18:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It is Eclipse with the first e capitalized. See Proper Usage of "Eclipse" Trademark's point #3. --Remy Suen 23:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for the clarification! - Face 16:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Article too list-y
There's too many flat lists in this article, mainly in counting off the various subprojects. I think these should be removed if there is nothing of encyclopedic interest to say about them. The list of subprojects can always be linked to as an external reference over at eclipse.org. I myself will flesh out an entry on CDT, the single most popular subproject, but the others... Ham Pastrami 04:27, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone have an objection to the removal of the lists? They seem to be inviting spam, so if nobody is going to flesh out the entries, I'll delete them on my next visit. Ham Pastrami 11:05, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Seriously, delete the whole lot. Better having a short article with room to grow than a huge, stagnant series of lists of questionable importance. Chris Cunningham 16:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that the lists need to be changed. I suggest making a separate article with the list. (i.e. List of Eclipse-based products) I Love Pi 00:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

What on earth are you talking about??? "Too list-y" ????????????????? Have you gone mad?

1. First, what is the content of the article?

Eclipse is a framework that supports features and plugins. It has many plugins and features. The article is going to be about features and plugins.

2. What's the best way to present it?

As a list.

3. Lists are "unencyclopedic". So delete them all....?????? WHAT?

Lists are formatting. Come back when you have a problem with the actual content. —Pengo 22:59, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I do have a problem with the content: it's in violation of WP:Notability. If there's nothing worth saying about these "features" and "plugins" other than their names, they're obviously not notable. Since you're the only one who is in favor of keeping, and for poorly justified reasons, I'm going to make the edits. Ham Pastrami 01:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Why it's called "Eclipse"?
It's quite interesting to think about why they call it "Eclipse"? Is it because they want to cast shadow on the Sun (considering stuffs such as SWT which was a completely divergence from what Sun has originally planned)? -- or a Pink Floy answer: "Everything under the Sun is in tune, but the Sun is eclipsed by the moon". Sweeper77 23:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe your first answer has been suggested many times when Eclipse first came about, but IBM have never confirmed it (AFAIK). Oddly the word "Sun" does not appear once in the article. —Pengo 22:54, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * This issue is brought up quite often and the answer is that the name is supposed to be for eclipsing Visual Studio. Unfortunately, I don't have a link handy, but if you google around you may be able to hit such an article. --Remy Suen 03:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's a link. --Remy Suen 03:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

And don't forget, an eclipse is only temporary...so maybe that relation would not be a very good one...--199.246.40.54 15:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If IBM stand on the side of Sun with Eclipse to compete against Microsoft, as you said to "eclipsing Visual Studio"(are you sure that it's issued by IBM or the society officially?), why is Sun not a member of Eclipse?

I think IBM just want to eclipse Sun but it's clever that it doesn't publish its thinking so that maybe they can cooperate some times. 222.71.176.84 (talk) 02:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Improvements to introduction
I think the opening paragraph of this article could use some work.

My complaints below. If no one else has comments I'll make some changes? I've never done this before so bear with me.

"Eclipse is an open-source, platform-independent software framework, written primarily in Java, for delivering what the project calls "rich-client applications", as opposed to "thin client" browser-based applications.[citation needed]"

- I've added the "citation needed" -- I don't see anything on the Eclipse homepage linked in the references section which indicates this. I'm also a software developer familiar with Eclipse and I don't think the IDE bears any such bias.

- it's not really platform independent due to the use of the platform-specific SWT library. It's probably more accurate to say it's available on several major platforms.

- break the first sentence after "written primarily in Java", and eliminate the second sentence.

"So far this framework has typically been used to develop Integrated Development Environments (IDEs), such as the Java IDE called Java Development Toolkit (JDT) and compiler (ECJ) that comes as part of Eclipse (and which are also used to develop Eclipse itself). However, it can be used for other types of client application as well."

- There are a few grammatical errors in this sentence.

- From the perspective of a software developer, which is probably the perspective of a large portion of Eclipse users, Eclipse as an IDE (meaning JDT or CDT) is much more prominent than Eclipse as a framework for developing other IDEs.

- How do we know these are used to develop Eclipse itself? It is likely — but at best it is irrelevant; at worst wrong; and somewhere in the middle, only partly true (something must've been used to develop Eclipse before it was usable for development itself).

- "It can be used for other types of client application as well..." -- this statement is not well-qualified. Is it useful for writing IDEs? or is SWT useful for writing other client apps such as Azureus?

"Eclipse is also a community of users, constantly extending the covered application areas."

- "Eclipse" could not possibly be a community of users. "The Eclipse community" or "An open-source community supports Eclipse..." would be better opening statements. Aside from this -- this probably belongs in the history of Eclipse and how it was open-sourced by IBM, not in the opening as we've already discussed that Eclipse is not in and of itself a community of users.

- "constantly extending" -- opinion, not fact.

- users who do not consider themselves part of the Eclipse community could very well contribute to the effort of expanding Eclipse.

"An example is the recently created Eclipse Modeling Project, covering most areas of Model Driven Engineering."

- MDE/MD design has nothing to do with Eclipse, and including this as an arbitrary example has no ostensible purpose. Providing examples of Eclipse projects in the below section should provide plenty of detail for the reader.

"Eclipse was originally developed by IBM as the successor to its VisualAge family of tools. It is now managed by the Eclipse Foundation, an independent not-for-profit consortium of software industry vendors. Many software tool vendors have embraced Eclipse as a future framework for their IDEs."

- passive voice in first and second sentences

- references needed for first and second sentences

- What does the Eclipse Foundation manage? The direction of Eclipse? The introduction of new modules? Hiring full-time developers to support Eclipse? Bug tracking? Who are the vendors? Let's just omit this and let someone else flesh out the "Eclipse Foundation" section.

- third sentence is largely meaningless/unqualified and again the tool vendors/frameworks section would exposit this detail adequately.

MM962 03:14, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

The intro still needs some work or another wiki started! The reason is Eclipse is not just an IDE it is more. If you read eclipse.org site on the about page and the FAQ page it states otherwise. It states "Eclipse is an open source community whose projects are focused on building an extensible development platform, runtimes and application frameworks for building, deploying and managing software across the entire software lifecycle. Many people know us, and hopefully love us, as a Java IDE but Eclipse is much more than a Java IDE." That is my two cents!

-Tekeek (talk) 09:40, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Plug-ins
Plug-ins are an essential part of Eclipse and we don't really mention them on the page. The ability of the program to work with Subversion, Bugzilla, Team Track, UML editors, database connecting, MyEclipse (jsp support), Hibernate, and spring plug-ins makes this IDE much more attractive to developing than other Java IDEs. I find it very strange that this page doesn't like to a list of eclipse plug-ins. Plug-ins seem to only be mentioned to note that Eclipse can support other programming languages.

Should there be a plug-in section in the article? Should a new article be created for plug-ins and then linked to this page?

svanloon Steve Van Loon 19:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Plugin architecture is an essential part of Eclipse. The breadth and width of all plugins ever created are not. The See also section links to an article with a list of plugins. Ham Pastrami 06:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

A couple of minor points here. I seem to remember the early development of Eclipse slightly differently. In late 1990's, there was a mass revolt of IBM users regarding VisualAge,  an attempt by OTI to shove a "SmallTalk" like software development paradigm down the throats of IBM customers. After hearing about a series of incidents at IBM user groups, one of the first "Extreme Blue" IBM interns developed the first skunkworks prototype of the Eclipse Universal Tool Framework, which IBM eventually forced OTI into developing into the first versions of the official OTI Eclipse project. From what I remember, the VisualAge developers at OTI resisted it as long as they could 24.13.3.162 (talk) 07:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Meaning of Eclipse release names from Greek Mythology
Dear Ham Pastrami,

we seem to be of different opinions as to the relevance of an explanation of the origin of Eclipse Release names (Callisto, Europa, Ganymede etc.).

Let me explain what got me into the subject at first. My colleague instructed me to install the Eclipse Europa edition for a certain project. Living in Europe, I thought that would be a version specially tailored for Europe - as opposed to America or other continents. Subsequently, I learned that "Europa" is the name given to Eclipse v 3.3. Then, I found out about the naming rule: a satellite of the planet Jupiter for each release. As I knew Europa was Phoenician princess abducted to Cyprus by Zeus in the guise of a bull, I came across the fact that astronomers(!) have chosen names of lovers and beloveds of Zeus for all of Jupiter's satellites - quite appropriate for such a huge planet that bears the name of the leading Greek/Roman deity.

Now, I do think that this naming rule would also be of interest to the developers and numerous users of different Eclipse versions. I do not think this background information is "completely irrelevant". I never used the word "sex" in my three line explanation. Neither ancient Greeks, nor the astronomers naming Jupiter's satellites had any problems with the sory behind this naming rule.

I cannot imagine that Eclipse developers and users are so prudish in the 21st century that they would like to ignore these facts just because they have to do with a Greek god who was in no way monogamous, nor purely heterosexual. Are Eclipse developers monogamous? Are they hetero? Or are they religious in an orthodox way? For each attribute the answer is: some are, others aren't.

I therefore feel that the information does belong into this article, as it increases knowledge and understanding. There is no censureship applicable, certainly not to facts from 2500 year old Greek mythology.

I am anxious to read your reply, and possibly, comments from other Wikipedia authors on this topic. Meanwhile, I re-include my three lines in the article while we discuss them - so others have a chance to read what we are discussing about.

gpermant Germany 141.7.72.95 (talk) 11:20, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

 * This is an interesting letter to show your grandkids but ultimately has nothing to do with what is appropriate content for this article. Please explain what Greek/Roman mythology has to do with software development. The Eclipse releases were named after moons of a planet, not the gods themselves. That pretty much is the end of the discussion as far as Eclipse is concerned. If you want to discuss the history of Greek/Roman deities, why can't you do so at the appropriate articles, as I previously suggested? For example, you have Callisto (mythology) and Europa (mythology) to talk all you want about the mythology. Readers can, at their discretion, search for any of these terms or the related mythology and arrive at the appropriate articles to learn more. Why do you insist on including this content in an article about software? Why not do it in every other article that is tangentially related? Surely you can understand the absurdity of discussing this topic in fringe articles rather than in their main articles. I don't care about sexual themes; I am using it to demonstrate why it has no relevance to Java development software. That is why it is cruft, and that is why I am removing it until you come up with a logical, reasonable explanation for why you want to discuss the mythology here. In other words, explain how the mythology relates to the software, not why you personally find mythology interesting. From what I can see, the only relation between the mythology and the software are the names, and that relation is already noted. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information -- that is policy, and that is why your comments will be removed by me. If you wish to keep them somewhere for other editors to review, put them here on this talk page, not in the article. Ham Pastrami (talk) 18:18, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I have added a line explaining where the release names come from, which I dug up from eclipse bugs tracker. Here is my diff --Drozdyuk (talk) 00:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

C#
Can Eclipse be used to write C#? After having used both Eclipse and Visual Studio, Eclipse feels more comfortable. J I P | Talk 17:44, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This is hardly a place for such questions! Look to programming sites, like stackoverflow or eclipse forums.--Drozdyuk (talk) 00:20, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Java Emitter Templates
Java Emitter Templates redirects to this article, but it is not explained within the article. Can someone help out? --Abdull (talk) 10:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Visual Editor
If the Visual Editor has been discontinued for 3 years why not remove it? I would do so, but I assume someone wants to keep it since it has not already been removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.97.133.243 (talk) 18:06, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've removed the mention of Visual Editor, as it does seem to be dead. --Drozdyuk (talk) 00:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Disambig
I'm a jackass and would appreciate it if you could pop a link into the eclipse disambig page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_(disambiguation)) as I have no idea how to. This is mostly because it is high up on google, and could be useful for those looking for the astronomical phenomena. Cheers... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.72.110.11 (talk) 16:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm restoring the comment above (which the IP removed just after posting it) because there is no need for a hatnote here, per WP:NAMB. People who have difficulty navigating past the first hit on a Google results page are going to need more help than a hatnote. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:57, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal
It seems this article: PHPEclipse should be merged to this page, so I propose this merger.-Wo.luren (talk) 15:41, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

PHP != Java
 * Disagree. Given the number of plug-ins available for Eclipse, this is a bad idea.  The scale of the problem is readily apparant if you look at the article List of Eclipse-based software where there are dozens, if not hundreds, of plug-ins listed (including PHPEclipse).   PHPEclipse is no more notable than most of these and the inclusion of all of them would quickly make this page unmanageable.  Leave it in its own article.  67.160.71.165 (talk) 20:10, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Following those 2 {{Mergefrom on this article, I think it has been established the rationale for NOT doing that kind of merges well enough. So I removed the tags. --   Alain R 3 4 5   Techno-Wiki-Geek    04:36, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Spell check
Is it notable to say that Eclipse for Java EE runs spell check on your code (i.e. it'll warn you if you forgot a semicolon)? 68.173.113.106 (talk) 21:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

 * No. That's barely relevant to me as a software developer, and I can't imagine it being relevant for the Wikipedia audience. That's a really down-in-the-weeds feature detail, and it would only have a shot at notability if it was the first IDE to have it (I'd still vote no in that case though). Also, it sounds like you're describing syntax highlighting - forgetting a semicolon in Java EE isn't usually considered spell check, but rather is a compilation error. -=Straxus=- (talk) 01:47, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm in favor of a list of notable features. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 16:01, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

XWT
The XWT article on Eclipsepedia clearly states XWT's purpose - to replace SWT in Eclipse. However, it is not as clear to me when SWT support will be removed. Based on the Kepler plans to remove the E3 compatibility layer entirely, though, I strongly suspect that it will go away then. However, I cannot find a good reference to back this up. -- Wrldwzrd89 talk 12:54, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I reverted your changes. Methinks you're confusing "e4” (the Eclipse Platform incubator) and E4 (Eclipse 4.x).  XWT provides an toolkit-agnostic framework that apps could use to isolate themselves from SWT, but there is no intention or desire (or manpower!) to rewrite Eclipse using XWT.  It might have been better to seek confirmation before making such a change (e.g., an email to the Eclipse Platform PMC). -- Brian de Alwis  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.91.154.102 (talk) 15:12, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Would be nice if this article explained difference between versions 3.8 and 4.2
Would be nice if this article explained difference between versions 3.8 and 4.2. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 16:03, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You have a good point, but 3.8 is very much hidden away and not promoted anywhere on the main Eclipse site. Furthermore, the Eclipse Foundation calls 4.2 "Juno" but not 3.8. Therefore, why not just remove 3.8 from the article entirely? -- Wrldwzrd89 talk 17:07, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Latest version of ubuntu installs version 3 branch by default. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 17:45, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's 3.7 though, not 3.8. My point still stands. Mind you, Quantal Quetzal (12.10) may change that. The package list hasn't yet been finalized. -- Wrldwzrd89 talk 18:24, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Update: According to the package list for Ubuntu 12.10, version 3.8 will be available, but not 4.2. Odd, I would have thought it would be the other way around. -- Wrldwzrd89 talk 16:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Question to the screenshot of this article
The name of Eclipse 4.5 is "Mars", isn't it? Why does this say "Screenshot of Eclipse 4.5 Luna"? "Luna" was the name of Eclipse 4.4, wasn't it? 1.115.195.204 (talk) 13:21, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

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Too many "citation needed", and article feels comfuse even for programmers
I think that right now there are too many "citation needed" parts. And the article feels comfuse even for people that program for a few years in different IDEs and "not Java" languages.

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New release schedule
I can't find any documentation about it, but it seems that the Eclipse foundation has switched away from an annual development schedule to something new. The next release is called 2018-09 and is seemingly no longer named by letters (the next letter being Q I can kinda see why... not a lot of great name choices starting with Q.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.156.225.215 (talk) 03:34, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The documentation for the new nomenclature is here ("What is the naming pattern for the releases ?") TJRC (talk) 01:27, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Removed link from PDE
I removed the entry "Eclipse (software), plug-in development environment" from PDE because I couldn't find an explanation for it. Any ideas what could have been intended? "Plugin development environment"? Paradoctor (talk) 01:31, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

 * You are correct for PDE= plug-in development environment, https://www.eclipse.org/pde/. But there is no wiki page for it (and it probably doesn't need its own) and this page doesn't mention it, so seems good to remove it there. Unpicked6291 (talk) 02:31, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Compressed Lump?
In the history section, I think describing the way Eclipse's predecessor stored code as a "compressed lump" seems to be an uncharitable way to describe Source Code in Database. It would be equally unfair to describe an Oracle or PostgreSQL database as a mere "compressed lump" with no easy way to access individual tables outside of the tool. It also seems that referring to VisualAge's use of source code in database as a "major drawback" is a matter of personal opinion. It has advantages and disadvantages. Edward Staplerhands (talk) 14:08, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Kinnikuman

Anime-Only storylines
There was a section that had some details on the anime-only characters and storylines that was somewhat incomplete. What happened to it? TheOrgg

M.U.S.C.L.E. (toys)
How difficult would it be to make the M.U.S.C.L.E. article into a summary of the toyline, much like the Monsters in my Pocket article? The toyline itself has a very deep and interesting history, and is currently still making history in the collecting circles. TheOrgg

Well, now that there is an article on M.U.S.C.L.E. entitled "M.U.S.C.L.E. Men," someone is trying to get it merged with this article. Why? The imported and storylineless toyline from the US is distinct from the whole 'Kinnikuman' universe. While I do beleive there should be a link referrencing Kinnikuman on the M.U.S.C.L.E. page, they should remain separate. I say this as a die hard collector in the M.U.S.C.L.E. collecting community. TheOrgg

Merged
This has been merged with the M.U.S.C.L.E. article. WhisperToMe 01:53, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Seperate Page for Characters
The Characters' entries are getting too long. Japanese wikipedia has already created a seperate entry for Kinnikuman characters and we should do the same. Evan1975 06:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Size
140 kb?!?!? This article really needs to be shortened...-- ☆ TBC ☆ (aka Tree Biting Conspiracy) 15:16, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah...63 pages is perhaps a little too complete...Let's think about moving all the titles and wins/losses stuff onto individual character pages, and maybe taking out the seiyuu lists in the movie section. Those feel like they go on forever. Gladrius 19:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Survivor Series Characters
I propose that when doing personal pages for the Princes of Fate, that rather than giving individual pages to their teammtes, who are pretty minor, we think about giving a section in each Prince's page to giving the biographies of their teammtes who don't already have them (like Brocken Jr., Buffaloman and Ashuraman). I've already started laying that out in Super Phoenix's page.Gladrius 15:16, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

That's a good idea except for Super Phoenix's team. Each member played a vital role to the story arc and deserve their own pages.(Seigi Choujin 23:55, 1 July 2006 (UTC))

MUSCLEmen
MUSCLEmen should be merged with kinkeshi, not Kinnikuman.Seigi Choujin 16:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right it should be, that's like making an article for a German translated version of Bleach. –  「ジャンプ グル」 @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 23:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Characters
I have created a seperate page for the characters and moved the info there.Seigi Choujin 05:36, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Move List
Perhaps this should only be the more famous moves like the Kinnikubuster, and others that are identified primarily with the anime and manga? The moves are on the Profile pages of each Chojin already, so it seems a bit... extranious.

I was already planning to do a seperate page for the moves like the Japanese Wiki has.Seigi Choujin 14:37, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe the Kinnikuman wiki is a valid link. Also, about deleted triva...
The Kinnikuman wiki seems to have a lot of information, over 600 pages about the subject, and thus I believe it to be a valid link. The link to it was deleted without explanation.

How big is the Japanese Anniversary Society? Does it declare national holidays? If so, then certainly they declaring a holiday to this series is an important bit of information to keep. Also, the fact that professional wrestlers in real life began using moves from the series, I believe an important fact to include in the article, to show just how popular it was. Some of the deleted Trivia section I believe should be reimplemented into the main article. Dream Focus (talk) 17:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

 * The Kinnikuman wiki completely fails WP:EL. We don't link to fansites. The trivia section was completely unsourced and has been for far too long. If any of it is actually true, verify it with reliable sources, then being readded can be discussed. Otherwise, it doesn't belong here. --  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

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"mixed reviews from critics"
In the last opening paragraph it states the series has mixed reviews from critics, but the Reception section fails to mention any. So was it mixed or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.151.173.219 (talk) 06:22, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey,, the opening paragraphs are a synthesis of the rest of the article. If you read the four mentioned reviews, I think you'll agree it was a mixed reception. Cheers, Gabriel Yuji (talk) 06:38, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Manga circulation
Does someone know if the 77M copies in circulation are for the main run (the 74 volumes), or the series as a hole. Cracker-Kun (talk) 22:25, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

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User talk:Reithy

Rhobite is more than welcome to contribute to this page. Love all, serve all.

--86.25.6.111 (talk) 01:43, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Eight Minutes To Midnight: The Dying Days of Rhobite's Administration
'''So file an RFC against me. I'm done reasoning with you. Rhobite 23:52, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)'''

Improper Editing of Protected Pages
Rhobite, in case you missed it:

'''You are correct in that admins should basically never edit an article when it is protected, even to correct grammar mistakes or other minor things. However, I am pretty sure it was in good faith, and it is really a very minor thing to argue about... — David Remahl 13:54, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC) '''

And this is from someone unfamiliar with your term as Admin, marked by:

 * Personal attacks attacking my integrity and good faith and commitment to the Wikipedia project despite the fact I have made more substantive contributions to articles than you
 * Threatened use of blocking to resolve personal disputes
 * Editing and adjusting my comments on your Talk page to suit yourself
 * Inappropriate editing of the RFA page outside explicit guidelines
 * Your pledge not to edit Libertarian articles and then editing even protected ones
 * Your reprimanding of others for conduct you yourself a guilty of.

I suggest you seriously consider whether you can handle your admin duties. They seem beyond you. I suggested previously we disengage and yet you follow me around in the manner of a troll, harassing me. Please leave me alone.Reithy 22:59, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

Rhobite the Administrator with Attitude believes he can delete any comment that displeases him. His motives can be questioned. He would do well to consider these wise words:

''My understanding and opinion is that a wiki should grow through a process of addition and refinement, never by deletion. The only exception is that information that is clearly wrong is a candidate for deletion. Even in that case it might be preferable to mark the wrong information out in a block, and explain why it is wrong. In any case, this example clearly doesn't live up to that standard. If someone has a problem with something in the wiki because of a lack of context, then the _obvious_ solution is to add context. Removing information because of a lack of partner information is just wrong. People should add the necessary context. Any time you find your finger over the delete key, you should question your motives. User: Geoff Canyon 20:57, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)''

Reithy 23:51, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

Rhobite Denying Writing on Libertarian Party
You brought up a good point on the LP talk page. It's true that I'm a libertarian, although not a member of the LP. But I don't usually edit libertarian articles around here. I don't want to. Likewise, I don't go and add negative stuff to Communism simply because I disagree with that philosophy. You appear to have much more invested in this than many of the people who have tried to reason with you and fix your edits. Why don't you branch out in Wikipedia? It can be pretty stressful editing controversial articles. Why not work on a more... relaxing topic? Birds, psychology, 1960s sitcoms, whatever you know or want to learn about. It may help you to better understand NPOV, too. Rhobite 23:16, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)

Deleting comments from talk
Reithy's, it's considered extremely bad form to remove others' comments from Talk Pages, even your own. See Talk page for information on archiving discussion if and when it becomes necessary. In light of the fact that messages on your talk page are important in an ongoing RFC and arbitration request, I have restored them. RadicalSubversiv E 19:21, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Arbitration
Go to Requests_for_arbitration/Reithy and set forth your complaint against Chuck F. To avoid confusion you might create a new header ===Counterclaim by Reithy=== Fred Bauder 10:54, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

I reverted your comemnts on the request for arbitration page.. you messed up my section with your comments(not only the format, but the claim).. as I stated please follow the guidelines of arbitration and respond in your own secton.. not in my section.

Your intentions here
I believe you have ill intentions here at Wikipedia. Most of your edits have been for no other purpose than harassing Chuck F and other users. If you feel that my comment violates the personal attack policy, you're free to post an RFC or an RFAr. Rhobite 22:27, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC)

 * I have removed my own comment which you objected to on the RFAr page. I will continue to remove instances of harassment by you. If you persist in vandalizing my talk page, I will block you from editing. Rhobite 23:41, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * So now you remove your offensive remarks. And you threaten me with blocking, an outrageous abuse of your powers as administrator. The impropriety of this threat is self-evident. Reithy 23:45, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * Now I'm confused, didn't you ask me to retract that comment? What do you want? I believe I am within my rights to block you if you continue to harass me. Rhobite 23:50, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * I invited you initially to remove your remarks. You didn't. I think they were grossly unfair. Now you accuse me of harassment for responding in kind. You threaten blocking, in a situation where most would consider that you have engaged in precisely the same behavior you accuse me of being guilty of. You write something very unpleasant and emotive about me. I respond. You edit my remarks. You delete my remarks from your Talk page. I very much doubt anyone could defend this misconduct. You normally seem even-tempered, I don't know why you went down this path. Time to disengage I suspect. Reithy 23:56, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)

Talk pages
A person has a right to refactor their own talk page any way they want, so long as they don't try to make it look as if someone said something they didn't. But it's not acceptable to change other people's Talk pages, or article Talk pages. RickK 07:46, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response to my question. I was following RadicalSubservise's suggestions as above. Reithy 07:48, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)

Hey look at what I wrote
I told you I'd take a bet that the libertarian party would get more then one percent of the population casting a vote for them. That waas the point, you were talking about how much the libertarian party was going to poll nationaly. Considering some of the steller performances(2 percent), some federal house races of over 40 percent. they've already clinched more then a one percent of the population casting at least one vote for them

no no, it's that at least one percent of people will cast a vote for a libertarian, the most you can get is 100 percent, if someone votes for president and a House seat, it's still only considered one person casting a vote for a libertarian. [] []. That's what you were putting by saying Libertarians would get less then one percent nationally, that less then one percent of people would cast a vote for at least some type of libertarian candiate

I salute you for trying. I should have known you'd try to squirm out of paying. Reithy 05:06, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

Dude, do you understand english? how could "Yes, I'll accept your bet that more then 1 percent of the population will cast a vote for a libertarian this election cycle" somehow mean "one percent will vote for the libertarian candiate for president"?, In that article you put that national polling said it would do less than one percent, you didn't qualify anything as presidential... and evven in that case it wasn't placed in the article properly which already had polling data Chuck F 06:44, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

On Chuck_F and libertarianism
Hey, I know Chuck is being unreasonable (and, in my personal opinion, abusive) on some of the pages related to libertarianism. It stinks. It's bad for Wikipedia. I think, though, that you might do well to look at some of the links I posted to Talk:Libertarianism under the heading "Non-US libertarians (of the non-socialist sort)". It really does appear that there are a number of non-US "Libertarian Parties" and libertarian (in the Nozick/Hayek sense) movements. This would suggest that the connection between the term "libertarian" and this political position is not just American. I'd like it if you would review the linked material and respond. Thanks. —FOo 05:24, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Liberal Party of Australia
It is usual in Wikipedia to have links out like that to disambiguate and so on. Maybe the mention should go in the italicised section at the top of the page. But "libertarian" means something different in Australia to what it means in America, so it isn't appropriate to describe the Liberal Democratics in that way. --212.140.155.19 12:29, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Well it isn't totally unknown. I'm not fussed but I can see a case for mentioning it just in case that's what people are looking for. The Commonwealth Liberal Party is pretty much a total unknown but that is mentioned at the top for reasons of disambiguation. --212.140.155.19 12:42, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Yeah, it isn't that they're connected, but that Wikipedia has articles on them and people might get confused. I don't think we've got articles on Curtin's fascists, but I see the Country Liberals aren't linked out like that from the Liberal party page, so obviously there isn't a universally followed standard. --212.140.155.19 12:50, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Alright, they're on the list of Australian political parties, so I think it's OK to leave them off the Liberal Party page and trust users to find their way using the Politics boilerplate at the bottom. --212.140.155.19 12:55, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I wouldn't know where to start with the Curtin Labor Alliance. Came out of nowhere in 2001, thankfully went back there straight after. The only thing they succeeded in doing was publicing the nasty views of a long dead Labor Prime Minister. --212.140.155.19 13:11, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

User:Chuck F, who I see you have some history with, has reverted the changes to the article on the Liberal Democrats four times. I left some comments on his Talk page. I'm not going to get involved in a revert war with him but if he hasn't responded within 24 hours I will go to the next stage of the dispute process. In the meantime I would ask that you not allow your edit warring with him to spread beyond its current boundaries. Please do not exceed the three revert rule on this or related articles, even if he does. --213.120.56.41 14:47, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC) (same as above)

It seems he is already listed on Requests for comment, so I have added the latest incident. But since the RFC has been up for a while I don't think it is likely to do much good. --213.120.56.41 13:51, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Useful information
Hi Reithy, you seem to be new here so the following is some information that you should read;

From No_personal_attacks
 * Be civil
 * Stick to good Wikiquette
 * Work towards consensus
 * Respect the right of others to hold their views. This does not mean that you have to agree with them, but just agree to disagree.

And from Wikiquette
 * Be polite.
 * Be prepared to apologize.
 * Forgive and forget.
 * If polite discussion fails, take a break if you're arguing or recommend a break if you're mediating.
 * Come back after a week or two. If no one is mediating, and you think mediation is needed, enlist someone.
 * Be Civil.

I'm sure that if you take this advice to heart that you will be an accepted member of this community.

Best wishes, 209.102.125.180 15:45, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Rhobite; personal attacks.
Hi.

Please don't make edits like this; also, please avoid making personal attacks in edit summaries, as you did here. I blanked your user page because it was, in essence, nothing more than a tirade regarding User:Rhobite.

Also please note that all talk pages are open for contributions from all participants. Accordingly, I have removed your proscription against Rhobite editing this page.

Please note that you will be asked to leave Wikipedia if you do not respect its policies and its users.

uc 17:29, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Edits to Ron Paul
Phrases like "dubious honor of the nomination", "cynical political reasons", and "an unpopular and lonely figure on Capitol Hill" are textbook POV, and prohibited by Wikipedia policy. Moreover, you've been here long enough to know that. RadicalSubversiv E 20:05, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

If you genuinely want to make NPOV additions to Ron Paul, here's what I would suggest: First, read Neutral point of view over about ten times, Gather citations for information you think belongs in the article, and put it all on the talk page. Then work with other editors to come up with NPOV language before making any edits to the article itself. Or you could continue recklessly adding your own POV as you see fit, and wind up banned from Wikipedia entirely. Suit yourself. RadicalSubversiv E 22:46, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Regarding your statement that you'd be "happy to comply with that process if others do" --

 * Others, with the exception of Chuck, are respected editors who have made hundreds of perfectly reasonable contributions to Wikipedia in a variety of subjects. You, on the other hand, have repeatedly engaged in vandalism and other violations of policy; the obligation here is on you, not others. That having been said, if you want to try to work through this on talk, then revert the page and move your "contributions" to talk. RadicalSubversiv E 23:04, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

moved from user_talk:Rhobite
GOod job uc. On the subject of Ron Paul, I require that you cease personal attacks on me immediately ("vandalism") when no such thing occurred. I have proposed a series of bold but worthwhile changes which I am willing to defend in detail. All is sourced, as it should be. If something can be expressed better, and I don't doubt it could be, then that's fine, otherwise your unexplained reverts are particularly inappropriate, particularly in light of your high office as administrator. please seek counsel from others before acting so injudiciously again. Reithy 21:15, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm confused. Is your whole statement directed at me?  I don't believe I've said anything about you that could be construed as a personal attack, so perhaps not.  In any case, adminship is not high office.   Regards,  uc 21:55, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sorry. I am an editor of small mind and confuse easily. uc 22:06, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

and again

 * LOL, all I can say is Praise the Lord! UC, I promise you Rhobite is beyond hope. Let him ban me so I can him, I wouldn't want to join a club that would have me as a member anyways. Reithy 22:39, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

Reithy, why are you heckling him? Wikipedia is not a football game. If you want to participate, try to raise the tone rather than lower it. uc 22:52, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

deleting evidence
I have warned you before about deleting evidence against you from your arbitration case. Since that apparently did not work, I have blocked you for 24 hours. During your absence, I suggest you acquaint yourself with the concept of evidence tampering. —No-One Jones (m) 00:39, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Libertarianism
Could I ask you to make sure that you don't engage in an edit war with User:Chuck_F once this has page has been unlocked? I notice you reverted quite a few times. Perhaps you could discuss it more on the talk page? Thanks. - Ta bu shi da yu 16:12, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Temporary injunction
Under the terms of the temporary injunction against you, you (and all of your sock puppets) are prohibited from editing wikipedia pages except for pages related to your arbcom case. Should you violate this, you may be banned for a period of time. →Raul654 22:43, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)

Email received
Thanks not for your advocacy. I do not wish to run cretin. I wish to get banned. Please stop talking on my behalf.

Makes no sense to me, you seem a bit unstable. I would strongly advise you get some professional help. Cheers. - Ta bu shi da yu 21:59, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Did you email me?
Hi! I got an email from someone claiming to be you. The subject line was "I am troolll what you gonna do about it loser?" The content was "Hey Jimbo, please ban me. Please. I am troll beyond compare."

If you are requesting that I block your account, I am happy to oblige, but I wanted to make sure this is what you really want first.

--Jimbo Wales 19:19, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Did you mess with my password? Very Verily 23:57, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

What happened? Today, I got the reset password email with a new password, even though I did not ask for it. Is this a bug, or is someone trying to intercept our passwords? pstudier 00:54, 2004 Nov 24 (UTC) The IP address which requested the new password was 144.132.89.151, which is not my IP. pstudier 00:56, 2004 Nov 24 (UTC)

It appears that Reithy requested new passwords for all of us, for reasons unknown. Since this doesn't wipe our old password if we don't use it, it shouldn't be anything to worry about. Very Verily 02:04, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Temporary injunction
Both Reithy and Chuck F and any sockpuppets are to edit only on their respective arbcom case [and their own user and user talk pages] and Arbitration Committee Elections December 2004. Edits to the mainspace may be reverted on sight. The change to this injunction is supported by the votes of 4 out of 9 arbitrators of whom 2 have abstained, see Requests_for_arbitration/Reithy/Proposed_decision, thus a majority of those voting support the amendment. Fred Bauder 13:40, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
 * Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
 * Multi-Licensing Guide
 * Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the " " template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

 * Option 1
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Annus Mirabilis (poem)

Annus Mirabilis is a poem written by John Dryden published in 1667. It commemorated 1665–1666, the "year of miracles" of London. Despite the poem's name, the year had been one of great tragedy, including the Great Fire of London. The title was perhaps meant to suggest that the events of the year could have been worse. Dryden wrote the poem while at Charlton in Wiltshire, where he went to escape one of the great events of the year: the Great Plague of London.

Historical context
The title of Dryden's poem, used without capitalisation, annus mirabilis, derives its meaning from its Latin origins and describes a year of particularly notable events. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, Dryden's use of the term for the title of his poem constitutes the first known written use of the phrase in an English text. The first event of the miraculous year was the Battle of Lowestoft fought by English and Dutch ships in 1665. The second was the Four Days Battle of June 1666, and finally the victory of the St. James's Day Battle a month later. The second part of the poem deals with the Great Fire of London that ran from September 2–7, 1666. The miracle of the Fire was that London was saved, that the fire was stopped, and that the great king (Charles II) would rebuild, for he already announced his plans to improve the streets of London and to begin great projects. Dryden's view is that these disasters were all averted, that God had saved England from destruction, and that God had performed miracles for England.

Structure
The poem contains 1216 lines of verse, arranged in 304 quatrains. Each line consists of ten syllables, and each quatrain follows an abab rhyme scheme, a pattern referred to as a decasyllabic quatrain. Rather than write in the heroic couplets found in his earlier works, Dryden used the decasyllabic quatrain exemplified in Sir John Davies' poem Nosce Teipsum in 1599. The style was revived by William Davenant in his poem Gondibert, which was published in 1651 and influenced Dryden's composition of Annus Mirabilis. This particular style dictates that each quatrain should contain a full stop, which A. W. Ward believes causes the verse to become "prosy".

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This category contains the dramatists of the English Renaissance who wrote between the 1500s and 1642 (when the theatres were closed).

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Back bacon

Back bacon is a cut of bacon that includes the pork loin from the back of the pig. It may also include a portion of the pork belly in the same cut. It is much leaner than side bacon made only from the pork belly. Back bacon is derived from the same cut used for pork chops. It is the most common cut of bacon used in British and Irish cuisine, where both smoked and unsmoked varieties of bacon are found.

“Canadian” bacon
Canadian bacon (or Canadian-style bacon) is the term commonly used in the United States for a form of back bacon that is cured, smoked and fully cooked, trimmed into cylindrical medallions, and sliced thick. The name was created when this product was first imported from Toronto to New York City. "Canadian" bacon is made only from the lean eye of the loin and is ready to eat. Its flavor is described as more ham-like than other types because of its lean cut.

The term "Canadian bacon" is not used in Canada, where the product is generally known simply as "back bacon" while "bacon" alone refers to the same streaky pork belly bacon as in the United States. Peameal bacon is a variety of back bacon popular in Ontario where the loin is wet cured before being rolled in cornmeal (originally yellow pea meal); it is unsmoked.

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Wreckless: The Yakuza Missions

Wreckless: The Yakuza Missions (Double S.T.E.A.L. in Japan) is a 2002 racing video game originally released on the Xbox and later for GameCube and PlayStation 2. The game is set in Hong Kong, in which the player completes missions.

The game was specifically developed for Xbox rather than being a port and was well-received. The GameCube and PlayStation 2 versions suffered from performance issues and did not sell well. In 2005, a Japan-only sequel was released for the Xbox called Double S.T.E.A.L. The Second Clash.

Plot
In the game, set in Hong Kong, the player plays as either part of a corrupt police unit attempting to crack down on rival yakuza operations, or as a pair of spies hired to take down Tiger Takagi, the head of the Hong Kong yakuza.

Reception
According to Metacritic, the Xbox version of Wreckless received "mixed or average reviews", with a score of 74/100 based on 36 reviews. The PlayStation 2 and GameCube versions fared worse but still fell in the "mixed or average reviews" category, with respective scores of 60/100 and 58/100.

Wreckless: The Yakuza Mission was nominated for GameSpot's 2002 "Best Graphics (Technical) on Xbox" award, which went to Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell.

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Removed "This led to John Brown's famous Pottawatomie Creek Massacre." John Brown didn't do anything after he was executed -- nonsense passage.

Might it not be useful to combine this with the Battle of Lawrence?

Yes, I think so. I will do it now. --Dcfleck 12:44, 2005 Apr 30 (UTC)

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Coogee, New South Wales

Coogee is a beachside suburb in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, eight kilometres south-east of the Sydney central business district.

The Tasman Sea and Coogee Bay along with Coogee Beach lie towards the eastern side of the suburb. The boundaries of Coogee are formed mainly by Clovelly Road, Carrington Road and Rainbow Street, with arbitrary lines drawn to join these thoroughfares to the coast in the north-east and south-east corners.

Aboriginal
The name Coogee is said to be taken from a local Aboriginal word koojah which means "smelly place". Another version is koo-chai or koo-jah, both of which mean "the smell of the seaweed drying" in the Bidigal language, or "stinking seaweed", a reference to the smell of decaying kelp washed up on the beach. Early visitors to the area, from the 1820s onwards, were never able to confirm exactly what "Coogee" meant, or if it in fact related to Coogee Beach. Some evidence suggests that the word "Coogee" may in fact be the original Aboriginal place name for the next bay to the north, now known as Gordons Bay. Another name, "Bobroi", was also recalled as the indigenous name for the locality.

The Aboriginal population had largely relocated by the mid-19th century after being decimated by disease and violent clashes with early settlers, though some Aboriginal people still live in the area today.

European settlement
Coogee was gazetted as a village in 1838. The first school was built in 1863, and the building was converted into the Coogee Bay Hotel in 1873. Three years later, Coogee Public School was established. Baths there were the only place swimming was permitted in daylight hours. Ocean swimming was not widely commented upon. In late 1887, Coogee Palace Aquarium and swimming baths were constructed. The Coogee Pleasure Pier, a large attraction including a theatre, restaurant and ballroom, was constructed in 1928, but was later demolished in 1934.

Coogee was connected to the City of Sydney by electric tram in 1902. The suburb's popularity as a seaside resort was then guaranteed. The line branched from the line to Clovelly at Darley Road in Randwick. It ran down King Street beside the Randwick Tram Workshops, then ran in its own reservation to Belmore Road. It then ran down Perouse Road, St Pauls Street, Carr Street and Arden Street before terminating in a balloon loop in Dolphin Street at Coogee Beach. It ran through several small tram reservations on its way down from Randwick to the beach. The line from Randwick to Coogee opened in 1883, and electric services were introduced in 1902. The line closed in 1960. It follows the current route of Transdev John Holland bus route 373. Sections of the disused tramways are now maintained by local residents as a community garden.

The 1888 paintings of Coogee Bay by Charles Conder and Tom Roberts are among the earliest masterpieces of the Heidelberg School or Australian impressionism.

The Coogee Surf Life Saving Club was founded in 1907 by local people who believed swimmers needed protection from the dangers of the surf. The CSLSC prides itself on being a pioneer in the realm of surf life saving. In fact, the first mass rescue, night surf carnival, shark attack and the development of the resuscitation technique are attributed to the CSLSC. In 2017 a lost-and-found room, first-aid room, kiosk, surf-board store room and amenities were finished building. It was closed in 2020 because of COVID-19 and but is now re-opened.

Built in the early 1890s and occupied by a Mrs T.M. Alcock was a large mansion known as Maidstone, which stands in Waltham Street beside St Brigid's Church. The house features a metal cupola and cedar fittings inside. The Catholic Church bought the building in 1922 and it was restored to its original style by Provincial House of the Missionaries of the Sacred Heart.

Located in Alison Road is a two-storey Federation mansion named Ocean View. The house was built in 1916 by Philip Wirth, of Wirth's Circus, and is heritage-listed. Other notable buildings in the area include Roslyn, a large Italianate house in Arcadia Street. It is heritage-listed.

Coogee Palace Aquarium (1887-1986)
The Coogee Aquarium and Swimming Baths were officially opened on 23 December 1887. It covered a block of land bordered by Arden Street, Beach Street, Bream Street and Dolphin Street. The Palace included an indoor Swimming pool (25 x 10 metres), an aquarium featuring the tiger shark from the famous Shark Arm case, a great hall that could be used as a roller skating rink, Canadian toboggan ran down the hillside for over 70 metres, and a herd of 14 donkeys to ride as well as swings, whirligigs, rocking horses, toy boats, aviaries, flower beds, bandstand and an open-air bar.

In June 1945, a strong storm caused the large dome to collapse. In 1987, the Coogee Palace and Dome was re-built and converted to restaurants and bars. The former hotel on the premises was owned by investment banker David Kingston and was known both as The Beach Palace Hotel and The Aquarium. In August 2014, the building re-opened as the Coogee Pavilion in a $30 million+ renovation by the Merivale group, and its director Justin Hemmes.

Eileen O'Connor and Our Lady's Nurses for the Poor (1913)
Eileen O'Connor, a devout but severely disabled young woman, met the first Catholic priest in charge of the Coogee parish, Fr Ted McGrath, in 1911. Together they determined to found an order of nurses dedicated to looking after the sick poor in their own homes. Despite the pain and partial paralysis from her spinal condition, O’Connor proved to be an indefatigable and intelligent organizer and teacher whose love and faith inspired her own and later generations of nurses. On 15 April 1913 in Coogee the pair co-founded Our Lady's Nurses for the Poor. A donor bought for them a house at 35 Dudley Street, Coogee, which, with extensions, still houses the order. Despite many difficulties from Church authorities the order was firmly established by the time of Eileen's death aged 28 in 1921. Under the leadership of Theresa (Cissie) McLaughlin and later superiors, it has continued to provide a range of services to those in need in inner Sydney and elsewhere. Eileen is buried in the Dudley Street property. The cause for her canonisation is under way and she is likely to become the second Australian canonised Catholic saint.

The Coogee Pier (1928-1934)
In 1924 construction started on an 'English seaside style' amusement pier at Coogee Beach. On 24 July 1928, the pier was officially opened, reaching 180 metres out into the sea complete with a 1400-seat theatre, a 600 capacity ballroom, a 400-seat restaurant upstairs, small shops and a penny (machine) arcade. Unfortunately, Coogee's rough surf damaged the pier and it was demolished in 1934. Lifeguards recently discovered remains of the pier on the ocean floor about 50 metres out from shore.

Shark Arm murder case (1935)
The Shark Arm Case refers to an incident at the Coogee Aquarium Baths in 1935, when a captured tiger shark regurgitated a human arm. The arm belonged to a missing person, James Smith, who was identified by a tattoo. The arm had been cut off, which led to a murder investigation. Nobody was ever charged over the murder, although another local criminal, Reginald Holmes, was found shot in a car near the Sydney Harbour Bridge the day before the inquest into Smith's death was due to start.

Alleged Marian apparition (2003)
In January 2003, it was noticed that one of the fence rails on Dolphin Point, just north of Coogee Beach, when viewed from a particular angle and distance, resembled a veiled woman. A local laundrette was one of the first to draw attention to it, and set up a gallery of photos to attract visiting "pilgrims".

When this example of pareidolia, a human tendency to perceive vague visual stimuli as human faces, was reported in newspapers many Christians (predominantly Roman Catholic) came daily to worship what they interpreted as an apparition of Mary, the mother of Jesus, although the Roman Catholic Church never officially recognised this alleged apparition.

No particular supernatural powers were attributed to the shadow (dubbed "Our Lady of the Fence Post" by the media, aka "Rail Mary") and interest waned within a few weeks. The section of fence that created the image was destroyed by vandals within days of it being publicised, although the local council had the fence replaced. While some continued to petition the Catholic Church and the New South Wales government to build a chapel, their claims were not seriously considered.

Heritage listings
Coogee has a number of heritage-listed sites, including:
 * 45-51 Beach Street: Cliffbrook
 * Grant Reserve: McIver Women's Baths
 * 4b Neptune Street: Wylie's Baths
 * St Brigid's Catholic Church

Transport
Sydney's steam tramways first reached Coogee in 1883 and were electrified in 1902. The trams were replaced by buses from time to time in the 1940s and 1950s as the infrastructure suffered severe neglect during and after World War II. The tracks were deemed too expensive to repair and the power supply was so inadequate that trams would grind to a halt in inconvenient locations. Eventually, the entire Sydney tram network was scrapped and replaced by buses. The last trams ran to Coogee in 1960.

There are usually many taxis in the area and there is a late night taxi rank on Friday and Saturday nights just behind the main bus stand on Arden Street. The suburb is now well served by buses; there is a bus interchange at the beach with three stands. The following outlines routes and their stands.

Main Stand - Arden Street near Coogee Beach (Eastern Side)
 * 313: Bondi Junction station via Carrington Road
 * 350: Sydney Airport via Maroubra and Westfield Eastgardens
 * 370: Glebe Point via Newtown
 * 373: Museum railway station via Taylor Square
 * X73: Museum station – Express

North Stand - Arden Street near Dolphin Street (Eastern Side)
 * 374: Central station
 * X74: Museum station – Express

Oval Stand - Arden Street near Dolphin Street (Western Side)
 * 350: Bondi Junction station via Clovelly and Waverley
 * 362: Rose Bay wharf via Bronte (October – April weekends only)

Geography and landmarks
Coogee Bay Road runs from Randwick to Coogee Beach which is relatively protected through its formation as a bay. The surrounding coastline is mostly cliffs, decreasing in height down to the beach in the western part of the bay. The bay is sheltered from the roughest seas by Wedding Cake Island, a rocky reef about 800m off the southern headland. There is an annual swimming event around the island in November.

The beach itself drops off rapidly at the edge of the water, which can result in a dangerous shore break particularly when the surf is large. The combination of this shore break and high visitor numbers mean that Coogee has more spinal injuries than any other Australian beach.

In larger surf, there are often rip currents at both the northern end and at the southern ends, and also quite frequently in the centre of the beach. These are simply the places where the incoming water escapes most naturally. It is claimed by some locals that the rip in the centre of the beach is partly caused by the remaining foundations of the old entertainment pier (see above – history).

At the northern end of the beach are stairs leading from Dolphin Point down to the old Giles baths. This is now an open rock pool carved out of the surrounding rocks. This area is now known as "Dolphin Point". The doorway and a four-metre high bronze sculpture serve as a memorial to twenty of the Australian victims of the 2002 Bali bombing who were residents of Coogee and its neighbouring suburbs, including six members of the Coogee Dolphins rugby league team.

A short walk further to the north is Gordons Bay, which is a popular location for snorkeling. At the southern end is the Ross Jones Memorial Pool just below the Coogee Surf Life Saving Club. Also at the southern end are two small reefs, the inner and the outer. Further south is a coastal walk that goes past the women's baths and Wylie's Baths.

Coogee is one of Australia's more densely populated areas, with apartment buildings in every style from the 1930s onwards. Some free-standing houses remain.

Demographics
At the 2021 census, there were 14,634 residents in Coogee.

The most common ancestries in Coogee were English 36.2%, Australian 22.8%, Irish 19.5%, Scottish 10.0% and Italian 4.9%. 56.4% of people were born in Australia. The next most common countries of birth were England 9.9%, Ireland 4.5%, New Zealand 2.6%, United States of America 1.9% and Brazil 1.6%. 79% of people only spoke English at home. Other languages spoken at home included French 1.9%, Spanish 1.9%, Greek 1.3%, Portuguese 1.6% and German 1.1%.

The most common responses for religion were No Religion, so described 48.1% and Catholic 25.4%.

Sport and recreation
Coogee is represented in the National Rugby League by the local Rugby league club, the Sydney Roosters, officially the Eastern Suburbs District Rugby League Football Club (ESDRLFC). The ESDRLFC has represented the area in the League since 1908, in line with the articles of association of the New South Wales Rugby League which identify the Randwick Municipality as being part of the territory of the Roosters. Local rugby league teams representing the Coogee area include the Coogee Dolphins and Coogee Wombats.

Randwick District Rugby Union Football Club resides in Brook Street, Coogee and plays their home games across the road at Coogee Oval. Randwick currently competes in all grades of the New South Wales Rugby Shute Shield competition.

Coogee United Football Club is one of the largest football clubs in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney, with Senior teams, Coogee White Tigers Football Club is known as the local football development club training youth player age 3years to 15 years old as is also well as international football partners with Celtic FC Glasgow Scotland.

Coogee Surf Life Saving Club has competed in both branch and state as well as national competitions since its founding in 1907, and continues a strong presence in all three areas of competition today. The club surf carnival is held annually in February each year. The Surf Club fosters and supports many other water-oriented sport and recreation club's including the Coogee Minnows (a junior lifesaving/nipper club), Coogee Triathlon Club, The Coogee Boardriders as well as supporting swimming groups such as the Coogee Penguins. The nearby Wylie's Baths, an historic coastal pool facility, has been a longtime supporter of Coogee's water-based sports and recreation.

The Coogee Penguins Winter Swimming Club compete against Bondi Icebergs Winter Swimming Club, South Maroubra Dolphins Winter Swimming Club, Cronulla Polar Bears Winter Swimming Club, Maroubra Seals Winter Swimming Club, Coolangatta Surf Life Saving Club, Clovelly Eskimos Winter Swimming Club, Bronte Splashers, Wollongong Whales and Cottesloe Crabs in the Winter Swimming Association of Australia Championships

Beach volleyball is growing in popularity around the world. The Coogee Beach Volleyball Association resides at the northern end of the beach, with the Council authorisation to set up five portable nets along the promenade.

Schools
Coogee has a primary school, Coogee Public School. There is also a Catholic primary school located on Coogee Bay Road, St Brigid's.

Places of worship

 * St Brigid's Catholic Church
 * St Nicholas' Anglican Church
 * Coogee Synagogue

Festivals and events

 * The Coogee Arts Festival in February is a series of open-air events held in the parklands above the southern side of Coogee Beach. It features theatre performances and a small film festival.
 * The Annual Coogee Family Fun Day is the first Saturday of every December, held by the Coogee Chamber of Commerce. It features amusement rides and stalls next to the beach.
 * Coogee Carols are held on the weekend prior to Christmas at Goldstein Reserve, opposite Coogee Beach. The event has been staged annually since 2002.
 * Coogee Sparkles are a New Year's Eve event held at 9pm on the evening of the 31st of December - prominent vantage points include Goldstein Reserve (opposite Coogee Beach) and on the sand of Coogee Beach.
 * Putu Mayam Day is the first of its kind outside of Malaysia. On the first of every month one can indulge in the world-famous putu mayam (rice noodles accompanied by shaved coconut and brown sugar) on the coastal edge of Coogee Beach.
 * Coogee Dawn Service is held on Anzac Day at Coogee Beach annually. The service is held at dawn.
 * The Island Challenge, held in the last weekend in November by the Coogee Surf Life Saving Club, involves a 2.4 km swim out and around Wedding Cake Island (off Coogee Beach). The race began in 2000, attracts hundreds of competitors, and is a prominent fixture on the Sydney ocean swimming scene. Participants may also compete in a 1 km shorter swim, and for participants under the age of 12, an 800m dash is also held.

Notable people

 * Ward Austin, radio DJ
 * Glenn A. Baker, journalist and broadcaster
 * Richie Benaud, cricketer and commentator
 * Samuel Bennett, journalist and historian
 * Hugh Bowman, jockey
 * Daryl Braithwaite, singer
 * Frank Browne, journalist
 * Shawn Budd, snooker and pool player
 * Ron Casey, broadcaster
 * Michael Cheika, rugby union and rugby league coach
 * Molly Contogeorge, musician
 * Catherine Gaskin, novelist
 * Keith Gordon, rugby union player
 * Minnie Hooper, dance instructor
 * Nell Hall Hopman, tennis player
 * George Howell, soldier
 * David Knox, rugby union coach
 * Eileen Kramer, dancer and choreographer
 * Dennis Kuchar, cardiologist
 * Richard Lane, author
 * Betty Lucas, actress
 * Bruce Notley-Smith, politician
 * Nicholas Shehadie, former Lord Mayor of Sydney and rugby union player
 * James Joynton Smith, hotelier and former Lord Mayor of Sydney
 * Alan Stevens, Australian Rules player
 * Bud Tingwell, actor
 * Peter van Onselen, academic and journalist
 * Angela Webber, author and comedian
 * Mina Wylie, Olympic swimmer
 * Nick Blakey, AFL footballer
 * John Blakey, AFL footballer/coach

Politics
Coogee is part of the City of Randwick, forming the East Ward together with Clovelly. It lies in the Federal electorate of Kingsford Smith (which covers all of south-east Sydney), historically Coogee has been part of the Wentworth and then the Phillp electorates.

Coogee is located in the State electorate of Coogee (which also includes the suburbs of Randwick, Waverley, Clovelly, Bronte, and Bondi Junction). Coogee is currently represented by the Australian Labor Party at both the Federal level and the State level.

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Winepress

A winepress is a device used to extract juice from crushed grapes during winemaking. There are a number of different styles of presses that are used by wine makers but their overall functionality is the same. Each style of press exerts controlled pressure in order to free the juice from the fruit (most often grapes). The pressure must be controlled, especially with grapes, in order to avoid crushing the seeds and releasing a great deal of undesirable tannins into the wine. Wine was being made at least as long ago as 4000 BC; in 2011, a winepress was unearthed in Armenia with red wine dated 6,000 years old.

Basket
A basket press consists of a large basket filled with the crushed grapes. Pressure is applied through a plate that is forced down onto the fruit. The mechanism to lower the plate is often either a screw or a hydraulic device. The juice flows through openings in the basket. The basket style press was the first type of mechanized press to be developed, and its basic design has not changed in nearly 1000 years.

Horizontal screw
A horizontal screw press works using the same principle as the basket press. Instead of a plate being brought down to put pressure on the grapes, plates from either side of a closed cylinder are brought together to squeeze the grapes. Generally the volume of grapes handled is significantly greater than that of a basket press.

Bladder
A bladder press consists of a large cylinder, closed at each end, into which the fruit is loaded. To press the grapes, a large bladder expands and pushes the grapes against the sides. The juice then flows out through small openings in the cylinder. The cylinder rotates during the process to help homogenize the pressure that is placed on the grapes.

Continuous screw
A continuous screw press differs from the above presses in that it does not process a single batch of grapes at a time. Instead it uses an Archimedes' screw to continuously force grapes up against the wall of the device. Juice is extracted, and the pomace continues through to the end where it is extracted. This style of press is rarely used to produce table wines, and some countries forbid its use for higher quality wines.

Flash release
Flash release is a technique used in winepressing. The treatment consists of heating the grapes with steam almost to boiling and then submitting them to a strong vacuum. The technique allows for a better extraction of phenolic compounds.

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Is this another case where computer-science types consider it obligatory to start each word with a capital letter in order to make it look ridiculous to anyone who's read a book or two? Michael Hardy 02:13, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * You got it! It's sort of a generic term, so I bet we could use host bus adapter and be safe... --SFoskett 02:25, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)

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Echo Hill Ranch

Echo Hill Ranch is a summer ranch camp of about 400 acres (1.6 km2) in the Texas Hill Country.

The ranch was founded in 1953 by Dr. S. Thomas Friedman and Minnie Samet Friedman. It is located south of Kerrville near Medina. Echo Hill was founded as a noncompetitive, child-centered ranch camp for boys and girls ages 6–14. It operated from the summer of 1953 through the summer of 2013 as a private camp for generations of children by the Friedman family. Campers and staff were mostly from Texas though a few came from international locations. Minnie Friedman died in 1985 but her family and close friends, Floyd and Joan Potter, continued the tradition of running the summer camp. The Friedmans were active in the American Camping Association (ACA), even setting the standards for what became best practices in summer camping. The staff taught children to swim, ride horses, play a number of different sports, enjoy arts and crafts, performing arts, camping, and things such as archery and riflery. Teens were taught leadership development and how to become staff members themselves. At the time of Dr. Tom Friedman's death in 2002, it was decided that Roger, the middle child of the founders and resident of Maryland would become the director. Roger and his wife Roselynn (Roz) ran the camp, largely unchanged, for the next 10 summers before making the decision to shut it down. On July 24, 2013 the camp announced via their Facebook page that it would not reopen for summer of 2014.

Tom and Minnie's youngest child, Marcie Friedman, is accredited by the ACA as a camp director. While she has been working for the state department for decades, she has been able to make new connections with military families and other interested parties to recreate Echo Hill Ranch as a place for Gold Star families (children who have lost a parent in the military) to come to camp, tuition free, with volunteer staff and operated by generous donations given by organizations and individuals interested in supporting such families. The inaugural year of Echo Hill Ranch Gold Star Camp was planned for the summer of 2020 but was instead pushed to 2021 because of COVID-19 concerns.

Echo Hill Gold Star Camp attracts children from all over the country and volunteers, mostly military, assist in the upkeep of the facility and the large number of responsibilities associated in running a summer camp.

Echo Hill Ranch was the residence of Texas musician, writer, and gubernatorial candidate Kinky Friedman until his death on June 26, 2024.

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Is this page necessary? It contains very little that isn't in Hedgehog. I agree that there are specific characteristics of the European Hedgehog, but those can be mentioned in the European Hedgehog section of the Hedgehog article. I suggest making European Hedgehog redirect to Hedgehog. Kainaw 02:16, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I think it's rather needed to maintain the Scientific classification sections, besides the main reason that it contains a lot of infomation present in the main article is that this is the most common species known to posters. Baxter001 02:45, 12 June 2006 (GMT)

I have move the page to European Hedgehog. Because it is native to whole Europe, not just the west.Slobodan Grasic (talk) 17:49, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

NZ on map
Text says "It is also considered a pest in New Zealand" but according to the map it doesn't live there... Mverleg (talk) 11:01, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Omnivorous
It's interesting that the animal is described as 'omnivorous' but the only examples of what it eats are animals. Is it a pest in gardens; does it prefer roots and berries, or does it eat greens? We want to know! 24.27.31.170 (talk) 01:02, 27 November 2011 (UTC) Eric

 * I've seen them devour grubs, crickets, salmon, and turkey. As for plants, I've had a hedgehog scratch my hands badly trying to get to grapes and watermelon. Any sweet fruits appear to please them. I've also seen them eat grains, breads, carrots, and peanut butter, but not with the same enthusiasm. In the wild, they pretty much eat whatever they find. The best thing to call them is "opportunists". They will eat whatever they have the opportunity to eat. -- k a i n a w ™ 00:57, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Subspecies
There is a subspecies Erinaceus europaeus occidentalis (Barrett-Hamilton 1900) that is a pest in New Zealand. Is the other subspp? -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 19:20, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

could be extinct in norway
nobody have seen them in norway for decades. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 16:54, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Actually, according to this interview with a conservationist in Norway in May, while critically endangered, hedgehogs are still existent and very much save-able. Elisabethdeltoro (talk) 22:28, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Serbia
European hedgehogs do exist in Serbia. I know because they were ocassional sight in the place where I lived. Hedgehog, as an animal has its place in Serbian culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.148.82.178 (talk) 16:48, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

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numbers in Britain
The number 50080 must be an error, and there's also a problem with saying "now" rather than giving a date. Markbedford (talk) 21:31, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

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