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When I expanded this article I left in
 * ''including the bodyguard of King Charles II under the command of Lord Wentworth

As a previous contributer had included it. But I do not know whether it is true or not as I have not seen it mentioned anywhere else on the web. I find it very odd that Charles was a guest of the French and his brother could fight for the Spanish against the French in the hope of invading England one day in the name of his brother! Philip Baird Shearer 11:57, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Don John?
Is the Don John in this article the same as Don John of Austria? That one seems like a naval commander. --Awiseman 17:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

No, that Don John lived a century earlier.--Syd Henderson (talk) 16:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The summary "box" indicates 4300 French/English dead/wounded while the article indicates 500.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavisGL (talk • contribs) 04:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

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Number of French/English/Dutch casualties
In the summary box, the number of casualties is listed as 4500 but in the text it says there were only 500 of them. So which is it? Also, there is no description of the battle. Anyone know anything about how the battle played out? I find this odd since both commanders were amongst France's finest generals in history...The Nouv (talk) 10:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Fenwicke
There are two Dictionary of National Biography articles that state a Fenwick was killed at the Battle of the Dunes: Both of them name a man the former "John Fenwicke" says "He died of wounds received in the battle of the Dunes in June 1658 (Commons' Journ. iii. 645, iv. 612, vi. 435; Thurloe State Papers, vii. 175; Cox, Hist. of Ireland, ii. 195; Mackenzie, Durham, ii. 340)." but this is refuted in the ODNB article that states John lived until 1670. George Fenwick (Parliamentarian) says. "In some accounts Fenwick is confused with Lieutenant-colonel Roger Fenwick, who was killed in the Battle of Dunkirk, 4 June 1658".

There is a need to identify which Fenwick or Fenwicke died at the Battle of the Dunes (1658)

-- PBS (talk) 09:33, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

The Dutch Republic in this battle
The infobox lists the Dutch Republic (United Provinces) as having fought with the English and French. Nowhere else in this article or related articles mentions this fact. Did they really participate? Or should they be removed from the infobox? King Philip V of Spain (talk) 06:46, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

I have removed the Dutch Republic from the infobox after finding no justification for its being there. They did not even participate in either of the wars the battle was part of. King Philip V of Spain (talk) 22:09, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Army sizes, etc
Hello, Tttom. First of all, let my greet your work in expanding the article. It's much better now. However, I'd like to discuss some points, because, as the article seems based mostly in English narratives, some insights had been lost. There is an analysis of the battle by Antonio Cánovas del Castillo 1 (in Spanish, I don't now if you can deal with it) which uses French, Spanish and English sources and highlights several aspects that aren't in the article: the French-English superior numbers, the role played by the English fleet was decisive, and the lack of artillery by the Spanish, Condé, English Royalist army. Cánovas basically follows Napoleon's comment on the battle 2. He also claims that the Spanish and English Royalist cavalry broke the Cromwellian infantry at the foot of the dune and retook the height, but too late the change the sign of the battle.

Regards. Weymar Horren (talk) 06:05, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

 * Hi Weymar Horren, thank you for your kind comments. Previously the article was all about the Commonwealth English, a couple years back I added some of the English Royalist information, but it was still very one sided towards the English and lacking neutral POV - the reader was hardly aware that this is generally considered one of Turenne's great victories. I'll take a look at that Spanish version, I don't speak Spanish but managed with various translation programs to get the gist when I did the Battle of Cartagena de Indias some time back. So far, the consensus of English and French historians give the the sides even numbers, more or less, with the Spanish having more infantry and the French more cavalry on the field. I mentioned the role of the fleet, I don't believe its generally considered more decisive than the tide aspect and I covered the the fact that the Spanish out-march their artillery. There doesn't seem to be any practical reason (beyond those of the terrain that Turenne overcame) for them to have  not brought artillery with them as Dunkirk is in no danger of falling that day, or the day after - in other words they could have waited for it, or marched up with it the next day.Tttom1 (talk) 16:00, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

 * If you are interested in check old sources, there is a digitalized Spanish relation on the 1658 campaign 1, and also a French one 2. The Duke of York's memories would also be interesting, given he was present at the battle and are in English, but I don't know if they are on the Internet. Regarding to the numbers, Cánovas claims the French-Cromwellian army was superior in infantry, while the Spanish-Royalist army had the advantage in cavalry, which is also stated in the Spanish relation above. The numer of English warships firing over the Spanish-Royalist troops may have to be included in the infobox. For the rest, the only point we can discuss is wether the Cromwellian infantry was broken or not. Regards Weymar Horren (talk) 07:09, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the links to sources. I moved this discussion to the article talk page. Before my recent edits, the sizes of the armies were taken by another editor from Paul Davis' 100 Decisive Battles, Davis doesn't footnote or reference where he got his numbers. Most of the others, aside from, Maganiello, seem to follow the numbers given in Turenne's memoirs for the French and York's memoirs for the Spanish - both of which are available in english in . I think that the Davis referenced breakdown of strengths needs to be changed, even though it is a citation, for two reasons 1. other reliable sources disagree with it and 2. Davis doesn't explain his numbers or ref them - so they can't be checked. If any editor has a reason not to change from Davis in face of the other references, please explain here before I make the change. As to whether or not the Cromwellians broke, this appears to derive only from York's somewhat enthusiastic account of his own role in the battle and would need additional sources that don't rely on his account. It would be great to get the numbers on the english ships as a whole and those involved in firing on shore (which would be the lighter vessels).Tttom1 (talk) 15:15, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

 * This links to an old engraving in the Marburg Archives from 1698 of the battle which shows the Spanish with 13 infantry formations and the French with 20 infantry formations.  aside from the information, the image would be great for the article - does anyone know how to get this image into wikicommons?Tttom1 (talk) 15:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

 * Davis' book issue is that, as it covers many different battles, it can't go deep inside each one. I've uploaded the map to Wikicommons. It's here. I'll also look for a source that provides the number of English ships. Weymar Horren (talk) 16:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

That's terrific - thanks - I've added it right into the campaign box.Tttom1 (talk) 17:12, 17 June 2013 (UTC) Hozier pp. 131-132 gives the size of the fleet as 18 ships and states 'several' frigates and sloops' provided the flank fire. The deeper draft ships of line would probably not be able to sail close enough to shore.Tttom1 (talk) 18:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

english involvement
I'm not sure that the special section on English Involvement should remain. Most of the info pertinent to the battle has been incorporated into the main body of the article. In terms of balance, there is no special section on the Fronde rebels or, most arguably, the very notable Condé, let alone the Walloons or French units. I am loath to just delete it as it is well researched and referenced, perhaps that info could be moved to some more appropriate article on the English army?Tttom1 (talk) 14:34, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Chicago Tylenol murders

Chicage?
Clearly it ought to be titled Chicago. Update a few minutes later... ok my account is too new and I can't move pages. I created a new page with the correct title and changed all appropriate links to it. This "Chicage" page can be deleted, or if someone wants to clean up after me and properly move the page then go for it.
 * Actually I'm not sure why it's named Chicago anyway. Even the History Channel refers to it simply as "The Tylenol murders". There are no other "Tylenol murders". There are copycat murders, but this incident will forever be known as The Tylenol Murders and Chicago will seldom be remembered, and isn't necessary. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 21:09, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

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Halloween poisonings
"Vanishingly rare" gives the impression that poisoned Halloween candy once was common. The belief has always been from rumors with no documented cases of poisoned candy given to trick or treaters. Accurate terms would be "a non-existant fear" or "extreemely rare" since using just "rare" also implies that this crime still happens. Colonial Computer 06:41, 6 July 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22yearswothanks (talk • contribs)

Slight rework
I went looking for some sources to add details to the incidents section, and I made a few changes I wanted to flag: First, while the PBS source says Theresa Janus was 19, both CBS and the Chicago Tribune say she was 20—the Chicago Tribune also lists her full birthdate, which would have made her 20 at the time. As such, I changed that fact. Also: I looked at The New York Times article that was used to support the claim about using loudspeakers, and I couldn't find that claim made, so I removed it, although the source is still in the article.--Jerome Frank Disciple (talk) 15:36, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

WP:BLPCrime consideration
I just want to flag that I've actively considered WP:BLPCrime and the identification of the two primary suspects in this case. I think that their identification is warranted: Lewis because he was convicted of an offense in direct relation to this event. Arnold because he has been deceased for 14 years and was, in a (concededly tangentially) related event, convicted of murder. I'm not saying that I've arrived at the absolute correct decision, but in case anyone else has the same spark of concern that I did, I wanted to memorialize my thoughts on the issue.--Jerome Frank Disciple (talk) 13:09, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Evaluation of Sources per Class Assignment
Hello! I was told through a Wikipedia course to leave some of my feedback in this section, in regards to evaluating the article. This section primarily revolves around Sources & References used.

There’s a decent amount of facts that are backed up by news articles, which somewhat unnerves me. However, the case in itself did heavily revolve around media attraction, and widespread panic- which does give a reason as to why most of this information would be publicized on the news. Information from the relatives of the victims are entirely vague and lacking. Thankfully some sources do come from sources outside of news publications, as some source from the police when it comes to investigation matters, or some are based from scientific articles when the topic is associated with general chemistry or the chemical content of afflicted Tylenol capsules. I believe that even if there are a lot of references sourced from media, they’re diligently and reasonably used- and the article isn’t solely reliant on such. I found a modern academic journal that goes over the case that hadn’t been included in the Wikipedia article, which would be good to cite from.

Maria João S. Oliveira, Chicago Tylenol Murders: Information and mindfulness, Safety Science, Volume 165, 2023, 106190, ISSN 0925-7535, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ssci.2023.106190 .(https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0925753523001327)

I’ve also clicked a good handful of links, being towards other Wikipedia articles and cites sources, and both appear to work perfectly. Anything that has been taken off the internet has thankfully been archived.--Lorrriana (talk) 18:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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Walnut Lake

Walnut Lake may refer to:

Lakes

 * Walnut Lake in Desha County, Arkansas
 * Walnut Lake in Lee County, Arkansas
 * Walnut Lake (West Bloomfield Township, Michigan)
 * Walnut Lake, in Faribault County, Minnesota

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 * Walnut Lake Road, part of Metropolitan Parkway, in Metro Detroit, Michigan
 * Walnut Lake Township, Faribault County, Minnesota

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Walnut Park

Walnut Park may refer to:

 * Walnut Park, California, a Neighborhood in Huntington park, California.
 * Walnut Park Elementary School, Smithers, British Columbia, Canada
 * Walnut Street Park, a municipal park in Hillsboro, Oregon, U.S.

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Talk:New Madrid Seismic Zone

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Merged New Madrid Fault Zone info - probably needs more cleanup. Structure needs a lot more data. To do sometime:) -Vsmith 12:00, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

cf New Madrid Earthquake
The information in the "In New Madrid" and "In the fault zone" sections of this article disagrees on several points with the information found at New Madrid Earthquake. Can someone knowledgeable sort out which facts are correct? —Triskaideka 18:28, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Reverted conflicting edit referring to Wabash River etc.. Added map from USGS. Hope this clarifies, more to do here re- the regional picture as there is evidence that the underlying structure does extend under and have imlications for southern Indiana. -Vsmith 02:10, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Somewhere on the net I saw a collection of first-hand accounts of the 1811-12 quakes, including some from southern Indiana that were very striking. Kbh3rd 23:01, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Propagation because of ??

 * Because of the unconsolidated sediments which are a major part of the underlying geology of the Mississippi embayment, large quakes here can affect as much as 20 times the land area of major quakes on the west coast.

I thought the greater extent of the effects of a quake were because of the solidity of the bedrock, not having been shattered from grinding tectonic plates as on the west coast; the shaking can carry farther through solid rock. I'll have to look for documentation of that unless someone else has it. Certainly(?) the characteristics of the Mississippi embayment soil have nothing to with an earthquake here being able to ring bells in Charleston. -- Kbh3rd 23:01, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I thought so too Nat2 23:17, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

 * The unconsolidated sediments of the river valley and the embayment would likely result in more significant earthquake damage, but, would not result in the widespread propigation to ring the bells in Charleston. There's a lot of solid rock between the bootheel and Charleston (think Appalachian Mtns.) to propigate the seismic waves. I don't have a ref handy to quote on that. The USGS site (where the map came from) just says Differences in geology east and west of the Rocky Mountains cause this strong contrast. But, there is a lot of differing geology between New Madrid & Charleston or Boston. Needs to be changed though. Vsmith 23:37, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Boldly changed it :-) Let me know if I goofed. Vsmith 23:55, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I wasn't paying attention to the article references to Charleston, MO – I was referring to Charleston, South Carolina. It was there or Boston or somewheres far to the east that the 1811-12 quake reportedly rang bells.  Anyway, your edits stand until someone gets bolder.  -- Kbh3rd 00:54, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not positive but, I thought this was a matter of the depth at which the fault exists and the fault in the midwest is much deeper than it is on the west coast. It makes sense, then, to assume that because of the nature of seismic waves that depth would play a major role in area of effect.  The most recent quake on April 18th was at a depth of approx. 5K beneath the surface. Thestepper2001 (talk) 15:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Mislabeled picture?
The picture (great, BTW) illustrating section "More quakes predicted" says Charleston, New Madrid & San Francisco but I don't see Charleston's quake marked. Jolomo 19:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Largely Inactive?
There is a small quake every week... This week alone there were 8 quakes. Heck there was one today. The quakes are only measuring in the 2's though... every 6 months are so there is a 3-4 quake.

That is not inactive... in fact that is very active... the most active fault east of the Rockies.

 * I haven't noticed any significant quakes in that data. Still, I suppose it is the most acive fault in North America east of the Rockies. Then again, its almost the only thought east of the Rockies...Nat2 23:21, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Tectonic Plate motions, the satelite based velocity vectors of the East Coast and East of the Rockies are different, so the Midcontinent Rift System is active, I guess. It could be that the ground does not move, or does not lose altitude, but in the depth it is probably active. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 04:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I do not like the weight in the article of the section "2009 research indicating the fault may be shutting down". You can never tell that after reviewing the last hundert years. This thing is big: Rome Trough, Rough Creek Graben, Reelfoot Rift, Ouachita Aulacogen (Appalachian-Ouachita rifted margin), SW Iapetan transform margin. (McMillan, N.J., and McLemore, V.T., 2004, Cambrian-Ordovician magmatism and extension in New Mexico and Colorado: New Mexico Bureau of Geology and Mineral Resources Bulletin 160, p. 1-11.) http://geoinfo.nmt.edu/tour/state/caballo_lake/home.html --Chris.urs-o (talk) 22:22, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Note, prophecy: an earthquake on Olive Branch, Mississippi could separate (Lake Superior, Mississippi) East Coast from the Western States; similar to Ireland and England (Irish sea). NMSZ, Hayward fault, San Andreas fault, Pacific ring of fire, embryonic subduction zone at East Coast and Gibraltar should be considered active now that the Mayan Calender is in a new cycle. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 04:22, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

 * I added the material about the 2009 research. It is what it is. There aren't many people doing work on the NMSZ. (I estimate there are about 15-20 geologists and geophysicists heavily involved in the NMSZ, based on my searches of the research journals. I see about 7 or so names consistently.) so it's hard to determine relative weight of viewpoints. The GPS bunch published in prestigious journals (Science and Nature), and used extremely expensive equipment over a long period of time. For me, that gives them weight to give them a paragraph or two. Their work was covered by better sources than most of the rest of the article.

 * Since then there have been interesting abstracts coming out of Geological Society of America regional conferences, and the national GSA conference this fall will have an entire session devoted to intraplate earthquakes. I expect we'll be able to add more, brand new perspectives and sources to the article in the near future. Geogene (talk) 23:38, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

The richter scale ratings
Why are the sizes of the quakes on the page listed as smaller than what the USGS says? I can understand that it was a long time ago and hard to pinpoint the exact rating on the richter scale, but I would assume that the USGS would be the best authority on the subject. According to USGS Historic US Earthquakes the ratings are 8.1, 7.5, 7.8, 8.0 respectively, not 7.7, 7.0, 7.6, 7.9. I'm leaving it alone for the moment, in case someone has some better reference, but if no one has any objections, I'm going to change them to agree with the USGS information. -GamblinMonkey 15:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

the usgs page i looked at (the first reference on this page) said the second quake was similar or identical in intensity to the first, making it 8.1, 8.1, 7.8, 8 in any case, the page here contradicts itself by saying later that many scientists believe that the three major quakes exceeded 8, yet none of the listed ratings are over 8.

What state??
--12.153.8.43 20:19, 5 August 2006 (UTC)--12.153.8.43 20:19, 5 August 2006 (UTC)If located in northwest tennessee,what state would be located to the rite in relation to the new madrid fault? DS>South Fulton,Tn.

Nonsensical sentence
"The natural valley formed by collapsed portion of the Mississippi embayment." What? --Golbez 11:50, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Seems that was due to a bit of vandal blanking back in March. I restored the old paragraph, should read better now. Vsmith 01:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Future Earthquakes.
On Friday, April 18th, 2008, at 4:37 AM, a 5.2 magnitude earthquake occurred in this area. [7]

This is not a future earthquake. It should be moved.
 * As an aside: Could this recent seismic activity be a result in the uptick of activity in the yellowstone caldera?  Thestepper2001 (talk) 15:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

 * No. Cheers Geologyguy (talk) 16:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

High school
Would it be okay to add something in this article saying that a part of the New Madrid Fault runs behind "Union County High School" in Union County, KY?209.42.180.48 (talk) 17:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it would make much sense to do that. If we do that, we would have to allow every resident, whose property borders this (or another) seismic zone a mention in the article. doxTxob \ talk 21:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

New map
I added a new map that shows the approximate extents and geographic relationship of the New Madrid and Wabash Valley seismic zones, replacing a wide-area map that did not identify the zones and only had data from 1974 onwards. Maybe this map will make the distinction between the zones a little more clear and remove some confusion. Additionally, it has quakes going back farther than 1974. From my informal research (googling), it appears that Memphis U. started comprehensive monitoring in 1974, which is the beginning date for most of the maps shown. This map has older quakes (denoted in green) that go back farther. I'd like to find that USGS Professional Paper 1527 that has the older quakes in it; could be interesting. --Kbh3rd talk 02:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC) can you really type what ever you want in Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.60.60.34 (talk) 14:53, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Challenges to risk estimates
There's an article referenced in the Wabash Valley Seismic Zone article that has some Wash U. researches talking about how the New Madrid zone may be quieting. I also saw an article recently, I know not where, that has quotes from geologists talking about how the NMSZ may not be such a big threat after all and others saying there's no reason to be less prepared for "the big one". Is anyone qualified reading these words? Even if I had the references handy, any such discussion in the article I think should come from someone more qualified than I, IMHO. --Kbh3rd talk 02:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

New Madrid Seismic Zone, Midcontinent Rift System with Lake Superior; "...A major earthquake on the New Madrid fault could drain even your Great Lakes into the Mississippi River basin, ..."; Dec 12th, 2009; johnleary (dot) com; can this claim (the Great Lakes as one part of the Mississippi River basin) be substantiated? --Chris.urs-o (talk) 11:08, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

8.4
This is a work of fiction in which a quake of that magnitude, actually, one, a magnitude 7, two magnitude 8.4 quakes are taking place. The characters deal with the earthquakes and a civil war launched by the Kentucky Governor in a attempt to stop US forces from detonating a nuke to end the quakes. 8.4 is a soft cover book. I have a copy of it. Powerzilla (talk) 06:36, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Commemorating the Earthquakes??
Commemorating the Earthquakes: The following statement has some factual errors, and has no source nor footnote attached to it.

"From the early years of the 19th century until well after the American Civil War, the citizens of Union City, Tennessee, would gather every February 7 for an all-night "vigil and fish fry" on the site currently occupied by the Cumberland Presbyterian Church, praying, singing, and beseeching the Almighty to "spare the land over" for another year."

Union City, Tennessee was not organized until 1854. At the time of the New Madrid earthquakes in 1811-12, West Tennessee was Chickasaw Indian Territory, and Obion County was not created until 1823. I have spoken with the Obion County historian, and he has never heard this story. The above statement should be revised or deleted unless it can be documented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dfwhistory (talk • contribs) 17:52, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Possibilities
The possibility of the great lakes, st. lawrence river, Hudson Bay, Hudson Strait, the arctic islands may have a common initiator. I believe all the rivers and straits I have mentioned are formed roughly the same time as the NMSZ. I believe the E.T. impact created the Hudson Bay, with the center of impact at just north of Belcher Islands. This impact also created the sudden appearance of granite in the rockies. Also the formation of the interior plateau/plains.

Another E.T. impact at Iles De La Madeleine. These two impacts are what shaped north america and all the faults related features. This impact most likely created the James Bay rift, deep portion of Hudson Bay, and the Hudson Strait. That would explain the accelerated isostatic rebound around Hudson Bay and the receding waters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.181.32.102 (talk) 19:53, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

 * WP:NOR --Kbh3rd talk 17:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Crowley's Ridge
The entry about Crowley's Ridge did a mention then the uplift might be linked with the New Madrid Fault. Should we mention the Crowley's Ridge as well? --Sd-100 (talk) 20:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Updated information
It would seem that activity has picked up dramatically. According to the article, the survey started in 1968 and there have been more than 4,000 detected incidents. Doing some math; 2011 - 1968 = 43 years; Rounding the 4,000+ to 5K; 5,000 / 43 = 116.28 per year average is what I come up with.

So far this year, according to the USGS notification service, to date there have been 407 incidents. Taking out the 5 deleted incidents still leaves the count at 402, which, 3 months into the year, seems to be an increase in activity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.218.28.185 (talk) 16:19, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a note to say that if you were tempted to add this analysis to the article, you must find it (or an equivalent) in a reliable source. Putting in your own interpretation of the data would be original research. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:34, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Update on Strain Rates and "Shutting Down"
There's been another paper that claimed high seismic strain rates in the NMSZ via GPS. I'm not sure where the researchers' consensus is on the matter yet, but in the opening it summarizes the different viewpoints on NMSZ "shutting down" as of 2012. I'll try to work it into the article in the near future. http://www.ceri.memphis.edu/people/smalley/electronic%20pubs/479.full.pdf and also: http://pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/ofr20131004 Geogene (talk) 17:34, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

My Edits
I did some editing today which resulted in deletions and some aggressive re-arrangement of the article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Madrid_Seismic_Zone&diff=613585412&oldid=613584664

Fascinating, but no sources, seems out of place where it was. I hope that can be restored with RS, so that it doesn't look like OR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Madrid_Seismic_Zone&diff=613584664&oldid=613583964

 * Midcontinent rift might actually be associated with modern earthquakes, need sources that would explicitly say it isn't, this would be a difficult thing for sources to demonstrate. The point is that there are quite a few rifts in the subsurface of the stable interior, but most of them aren't seismic zones. How to say in a way that is known to be true and not OR.

 * De-icing issues are one proposal, but may have WP:WEIGHT issues with just one paper.

 * Also WP:WEIGHT with the Farallon plate and mantle flow models.

I took an easy and less technical way out and just re-worded to say that there are plenty of suggestions out there as to why that particular aulacogen gets regular earthquakes (probably its orientation to the stress field is convenient, but I don't have a source for that one handy).
 * A literature search will find lots of different suggestions on why there might be earthquakes there, many unique to individual researchers or "camps".

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Madrid_Seismic_Zone&diff=613583964&oldid=613578413

 * Tried to make the wording more active, shorter, and less technical
 * The second rifting event from 200 million years ago is not sourced, and I think only complicates the discussion without much insight. It's not unusual for a geologic feature to have multiple "origins" across time, some so many only specialists can appreciate them.
 * "Focusing effects" this would require a bit a of an aside to really cover. But they're like what would happen if you put a brick the middle of a block of paraffin, and then squeezed the whole thing in a vice. All the cracking ("faulting") happens around the edges because the brick is too strong to break, and "focuses" the stress on the mechanically weak paraffin. That explanation would need a source to go into the article, and using it here would probably be SYNTH.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Madrid_Seismic_Zone&diff=613313919&oldid=608801700

 * I thought this was too much about the Wabash Zone to get into here. Just my opinion. Geogene (talk) 23:56, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Possible distortion of loaded data
The area of the New Madrid Seismic Zone, for about a 100 mile radius of the normal 'epicenter' - about 31 thousand square miles - has a noticeably much greater concentration of seismic detection devices than the surrounding area of more 750 thousand square miles. You can see this on Memphis University web pages as well as the USGS earthquake pages. Wouldn't the much higher density of detectors mean that there are always going to be more reports of quakes in the area than there are in area outside of it, regardless of the number of seismic events that actually occur?

There doesn't seem to be a guaranteed non-loaded weekly report that mentions the reason for the increased frequency of reports, which stand at several thousand in the last ten years and around 20 in the last 7 days or so.

I don't know about including this in the article because it's just a suspicion at present and probably original research, but it seems common sense to me unless somebody can cast some light on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:AF2A:1B09:6DC1:4346:4BC4:B5FA (talk) 04:35, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not "probably" original research, it's definitely original research. Find a citation from a reliable source and you can mention it in the article.  Without one, it's just your unsupported theory -- and a crackpot one as well. BMK (talk) 04:39, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Dramatic increase in earthquakes between 2009 and 2016
I don't have the data, but I'm being told the number of earthquakes here in the last 7 years has gone up significantly. USGS says it's because of water injection at traditional oil drilling sites, but other (non specific) sources are saying it's due to fracking. I would love it if an expert could weigh in on this with real data, not just my un-sourced ramblings. If I had real data handy I would have just edited the page rather than Talk :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:74F:3501:8152:7BD0:DF42:218A (talk) 00:01, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Bad citation
> The earthquakes were felt as far away as New York City and Boston, where ground motion caused church bells to ring.[12]

This source does not include the terms "York", "NYC", "Boston", or "bell". 71.239.73.106 (talk) 14:45, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Thanks for posting about this and please continue to speak up about this if you see it again! This type of corruption is prevalent in WP articles. Dawnseeker2000  14:53, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Could someone explain the Geology section a little better, please?
Thanks to all who have made this page… it’s insightful.

The Geology section is written in proper English, and somewhat understandable… I’m seeking a bit of a simpler explanation… something like…

Long ago rift underground happened… and it is now still weak

So the weakness…  leading to big earthquakes.

The other content could remain; a more straightforward explanation can help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VVFamEdits (talk • contribs) 01:57, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

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Andrzej Mostowski

Andrzej Mostowski (1 November 1913 – 22 August 1975) was a Polish mathematician. He is perhaps best remembered for the Mostowski collapse lemma.

Biography
Born in Lemberg, Austria-Hungary, Mostowski entered University of Warsaw in 1931. He was influenced by Kuratowski, Lindenbaum, and Tarski. His Ph.D. came in 1939, officially directed by Kuratowski but in practice directed by Tarski who was a young lecturer at that time.

He became an accountant after the German invasion of Poland but continued working in the Underground Warsaw University. After the Warsaw uprising of 1944, the Nazis tried to put him in a concentration camp. With the help of some Polish nurses, he escaped to a hospital, choosing to take bread with him rather than his notebook containing his research. Some of this research he reconstructed after the War, however much of it remained lost.

In 1954 Mostowski was awarded by Knight's Cross of the Order of Polonia Restituta and in 1963 elected a real member of the PAS. After the World War II he supervised Rasiowa's both master and doctoral theses in logic and the foundations of mathematics.

His work was largely on recursion theory and undecidability. From 1946 until his death in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, he worked at the University of Warsaw. Much of his work, during that time, was on first order logic and model theory.

His son Tadeusz is also a mathematician working on differential geometry. With Krzysztof Kurdyka and Adam Parusinski, Tadeusz Mostowski solved René Thom's gradient conjecture in 2000.

Books

 * 1968 & 1976: (with Kazimierz Kuratowski) Set Theory. With an Introduction to Descriptive Set Theory, Studies in Logic and Foundations of Mathematics #86, North Holland,
 * 1952: Sentences Undecidable in Formalized Arithmetic: An Exposition of the Theory of Kurt Godel, North-Holland, Amsterdam, ISBN 978-0313231513
 * 1969: Constructible Sets with Applications, North-Holland, Amsterdam.

Papers

 * Andrzej Mostowski, "Über die Unabhängigkeit des Wohlordnungssatzes vom Ordnungsprinzip." Fundamenta Mathematicae Vol. 32, No.1, ss. 201-252, (1939).
 * Andrzej Mostowski, "On definable sets of positive integers", Fundamenta Mathematicae Vol. 34, No. 1, ss. 81-112, (1947).
 * Andrzej Mostowski, "Un théorème sur les nombres cos 2πk/n", Colloquium Mathematicae Vol. 1, No. 3, ss. 195-196, (1948).
 * Casimir Kuratowski, Andrzej Mostowski, "Sur un problème de la théorie des groupes et son rapport à la topologie", Colloquium Mathematicae Vol. 2, No. 3-4, ss. 212-215, (1951).
 * Andrzej Mostowski, "Groups connected with Boolean algebras. (Partial solution of the problem P92)", Colloquium Mathematicae Vol. 2, No. 3-4, ss. 216-219, (1951).
 * Andrzej Mostowski, "On direct products of theories", Journal of Symbolic Logic, Vol. 17, No. 1, ss. 1-31, (1952).
 * Andrzej Mostowski, "Models of axiomatic systems", Fundamenta Mathematicae Vol. 39, No. 1, ss. 133-158, (1952).
 * Andrzej Mostowski, "On a system of axioms which has no recursively enumerable arithmetic model", Fundamenta Mathematicae Vol. 40, No. 1, ss. 56-61, (1953).
 * Andrzej Mostowski, "A formula with no recursively enumerable model", Fundamenta Mathematicae Vol. 42, No. 1, ss. 125-140, (1955).
 * Andrzej Mostowski, "Examples of sets definable by means of two and three quantifiers", Fundamenta Mathematicae Vol. 42, No. 2, ss. 259-270, (1955).
 * Andrzej Mostowski, "Contributions to the theory of definable sets and functions", Fundamenta Mathematicae Vol. 42, No. 2, ss. 271-275, (1955).
 * Andrzej Ehrenfeucht, Andrzej Mostowski, "Models of Axiomatic Theories Admitting Automorphisms", Fundamenta Mathematicae, Vol. 43, No. 1, ss. 50-68 (1956).
 * Andrzej Mostowski, "L'oeuvre scientifique de Jan Łukasiewicz dans le domaine de la logique mathématique", Fundamenta Mathematicae Vol. 44, No. 1, ss. 1-11, (1957).
 * Andrzej Mostowski, "On a generalization of quantifiers", Fundamenta Mathematicae Vol. 44, No. 1, ss. 12-36, (1957).
 * Andrzej Mostowski, "On computable sequences", Fundamenta Mathematicae Vol. 44, No. 1, ss. 37-51, (1957).
 * Andrzej Grzegorczyk, Andrzej Mostowski and Czesław Ryll-Nardzewski, "The classical and ω-complete arithmetic", Journal of Symbolic Logic Vol. 23, No. 2, ss. 188-206, (1958).
 * Andrzej Mostowski, "On a problem of W. Kinna and K. Wagner", Colloquium Mathematicae Vol. 6, No. 1, ss. 207-208, (1958).
 * Andrzej Mostowski, "A generalization of the incompleteness theorem", Fundamenta Mathematicae Vol. 49, No. 2, ss. 205-232, (1961).
 * Andrzej Mostowski, "Axiomatizability of some many valued predicate calculi", Fundamenta Mathematicae Vol. 50, No. 2, ss. 165-190, (1961).
 * Yoshindo Suzuki, Andrzej Mostowski, "On ω-models which are not β-models", Fundamenta Mathematicae Vol. 65, No. 1, ss. 83-93, (1969).

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Concerto for Group and Orchestra

Concerto for Group and Orchestra is a live album by Deep Purple and the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Malcolm Arnold, recorded at the Royal Albert Hall, London, in September 1969. It consists of a concerto composed by Jon Lord, with lyrics written by Ian Gillan. This is the first full length album to feature Ian Gillan on vocals and Roger Glover on bass. It was released on vinyl in December 1969. The original performance included three additional Deep Purple songs, "Hush", "Wring That Neck", and "Child in Time"; these were included on a 2002 release. This was the last Deep Purple album distributed in the US by Tetragrammaton Records, which went defunct shortly after.

The 1969 performance was among the first combinations of rock music with a full orchestra, predating works such as Procol Harum Live: In Concert with the Edmonton Symphony Orchestra (1972), Rick Wakeman's Journey to the Centre of the Earth (1974) and Metallica's S&M concert (1999).

The original score for the concerto was lost in 1970; however, it was performed again in 1999 with a recreated score, and has been performed several times since.

Original 1969 Royal Albert Hall performance
The piece was first performed and recorded on 24 September 1969 in the Royal Albert Hall, London, by Deep Purple and The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, conducted by Malcolm Arnold. The programme consisted of:

Concerto
Concerto for Group and Orchestra is split into three movements.
 * First movement (Moderato – Allegro): After an extended orchestral introduction, the group and orchestra work as separate blocks, trying to get dominance over the main theme and working as antagonists to each other. There are cadenzas for electric guitar and clarinet.
 * Second movement (Andante), with lyrics sung by Ian Gillan: This movement is based around two tunes that are played in various different arrangements by the orchestra and the group, individually and together. After a combined pop / blues version of the second tune, there is an organ cadenza followed by a quiet ending by the orchestra.
 * Third movement (Vivace – Presto): Apart from Ian Paice's drum solo, the music combines the orchestra and group together in a "free for all". The movement alternates between 6/8 and 2/4 time signatures.

The Concerto was first performed at the Albert Hall in London on 24 September 1969 with Deep Purple and The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Malcolm Arnold. It was performed at second time at the Hollywood Bowl on 25 August 1970, with the Los Angeles Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Lawrence Foster, after which the score was lost.

Releases
Concerto for Group and Orchestra was released on vinyl in December 1969 in the United States (Tetragrammaton) and in January 1970 in the United Kingdom (Harvest). These releases contained only the "Concerto", with the second movement broken in two-halves. Copies of the original US editions are rare as Tetragrammaton went bankrupt while the album was still being issued. In the following year, the Concerto became the only Tetragrammaton release to be reissued by Warner Bros., Deep Purple's new US label. On 4 April 1970 the Concerto was shown on British television as The Best of Both Worlds. The 1990s saw a CD release including the songs "Wring That Neck" and "Child in Time". In 2002 EMI released special edition DVD-A, SACD and two-CD sets of Concerto for Group and Orchestra, featuring the entire programme of music played that night. In 2003 a video recording of this concert was released on DVD. However, four and a half minutes of the 1st Movement are missing in this video, as it was taken straight from the BBC's 4 April 1970 broadcast of the event (see above). The edit was in the original BBC broadcast.

1999 Royal Albert Hall performances
On 25 and 26 September 1999, thirty years after its initial performance, the Concerto was again performed in front of a live audience in the Royal Albert Hall. To make this performance possible, a new score was created by Lord with the assistance of Paul Mann and Marco de Goeij by listening to the recording and watching the video of the 1969 performance. Performers were:
 * The London Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Paul Mann

The programme consisted of:
 * 1) Four Scottish Dances (Malcolm Arnold), performed by the London Symphony Orchestra
 * 2) "Pictured Within", performed by Jon Lord and Miller Anderson
 * 3) "Wait A While", performed by Jon Lord and Sam Brown
 * 4) "Sitting in a Dream", performed by Roger Glover and Ronnie James Dio
 * 5) "Love Is All", performed by Roger Glover and Ronnie James Dio
 * 6) "Via Miami", performed by Ian Gillan
 * 7) "That's Why God Is Singing the Blues", performed by Ian Gillan
 * 8) "Night Meets Light", performed by The Steve Morse Band
 * 9) "Take It off the Top", performed by The Steve Morse Band
 * 10) "Wring That Neck", performed by Ian Paice & The Kick Horns
 * 11) Concerto for Group and Orchestra (Jon Lord with lyrics by Ian Gillan), performed by Deep Purple and The London Symphony Orchestra
 * 12) "First Movement: Moderato – Allegro" (19:23)
 * 13) "Second Movement: Andante" (19:11)
 * 14) "Third Movement: Vivace – Presto" (13:09)
 * 15) "Ted the Mechanic", performed by Deep Purple and The London Symphony Orchestra
 * 16) "Watching the Sky", performed by Deep Purple and The London Symphony Orchestra
 * 17) "Sometimes I Feel Like Screaming", performed by Deep Purple and The London Symphony Orchestra
 * 18) "Pictures Of Home", performed by Deep Purple and The London Symphony Orchestra
 * 19) "Smoke on the Water", performed by the evening's entire ensemble

A recording of the concert was released on a double CD as Live at the Royal Albert Hall. A cut recording of the performance was also released on DVD, entitled In Concert with the London Symphony Orchestra.

2000–2001 tour
Encouraged by the success of the 1999 performances, Deep Purple took the Concerto on tour, first performing it in South America with local orchestras, then in Europe with the George Enescu Philharmonic Orchestra, in Japan with the New Japan Philharmonic Orchestra, all conducted by Paul Mann.

40th anniversary performance
On 24 September 2009 Jon Lord joined the RTÉ Concerto Orchestra in the National Concert Hall, Dublin, Ireland to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the first performance of Concerto for Group and Orchestra. Also performed, were pieces from Jon Lord's solo career and a number of Deep Purple songs including an orchestral version of Child In Time.

Further performances
The score of the concerto having been recreated, groups and orchestras across the world were free to perform it:

2012 studio version
In October 2012 a studio version of the Concerto for Group and Orchestra was released. The recording features the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Paul Mann. The soloists are Jon Lord (organ), Darin Vasilev (guitar in the 1st movement), Joe Bonamassa (guitar in the 2nd movement), Steve Morse (guitar in the 3rd movement), Steve Balsamo, Kasia Łaska, and Bruce Dickinson (vocals), Brett Morgan (drums), and Guy Pratt (bass). The orchestral parts were recorded at the Philharmonic Hall, Liverpool on 1 and 2 June 2011. The band parts were recorded in August and October 2011 and also in May 2012. The album was mixed at Abbey Road Studios in late May 2012. According to Paul Mann, Jon Lord heard the final master of the recording a few days before his death on 16 July 2012.

Malcolm Arnold's views
In an interview for hospital radio in Huddersfield in 1970, shortly after the Royal Albert Hall performance, Arnold provided a positive take on the experience: "What strikes me about Deep Purple is their tremendous musical integrity. This is so refreshing in a commercial world. I loved working with them. They're thorough musicians. They're not trying to prove anything. They just like to play now and again with a Symphony Orchestra. They're not trying to prove any deep philosophical problem. They just want to write music that's enjoyable."

Ritchie Blackmore's views
In a 1979 interview with Sounds magazine Blackmore said: "I was not into classical music then. I was very very moody and just wanted to play very very loudly and jump around a lot. I couldn't believe we were playing with orchestras. We kept getting lumbered playing with them. We started off in '68 – this is my opinion – as a relatively competent band with a lot to say but saying it all at the same time as each other. In '69 we went into the classical stuff because it was Jon Lord's big thing to write a concerto for group and orchestra. He was very sincere, but I didn't like playing it or respect the fact that we were doing it. The orchestra was very condescending towards us, and I didn't like playing with them, so it was one big calamity onstage. But Jon was happy with it and management was happy with it because we had a press angle, which I resented very much.

In 1970 I said, 'right, we're going to make a rock and roll LP. If this doesn't succeed I'll play in orchestras for the rest of my life', because Jon wasn't too into hard rock. Luckily it took off, so I didn't have to play with orchestras any more.

I love orchestras, chamber music – unaccompanied violin is my favourite. But I respected them too much, and we just weren't in the same calibre. I'd been playing 15 years at the time, and stuck next to some dedicated violinist who's been playing for 50 years just to give an angle to the press – it's insulting. That's why it started and ended very abruptly."

Legacy
The cover art of the Swedish heavy metal band Opeth's 2010 concert DVD In Live Concert at the Royal Albert Hall is intentionally similar in layout, colour and motive to that of Deep Purple's Concerto for Group and Orchestra, "underlining Opeth's longstanding love for their prog-rock roots".

Personnel

 * Jon Lord: keyboards
 * Ritchie Blackmore: guitar
 * Ian Gillan: vocals
 * Roger Glover: bass
 * Ian Paice: drums
 * Royal Philharmonic Orchestra: orchestral instruments
 * Malcolm Arnold: conductor

Charts

 * Original album (1969)
 * Reunion performance (1999)
 * Jon Lord's studio version (2012)

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from VfD: Minor 'Buffy' character. _R_ 12:08, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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 * Delete, or Merge and Redirect with Angel (TV series) or Buffy the Vampire Slayer if possible, otherwise delete -- Chris 73 Talk 14:04, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. There are many other articles about equally minor characters from Buffy and Angel, including one about a cat Dsmdgold 20:41, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. I agree with Dsmdgold.  There are plenty of other characters from plenty of other television shows that are more minor.--ScottyBoy900Q ∞  00:10, 01 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. A character who appears as a minor part on one TV show and then moves to a spin-off as a regular is actually kind of notable. More could be said. [[User:Aranel|Aranel ("Sarah")]] 00:56, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep and de-stub. Note that the article title and character name were wrong, so I moved the page and corrected the info. Even added some links. -- Netoholic @ 03:26, 2004 Oct 1 (UTC)
 * Allright, I'm OK to keep. The article must be de-orphaned though. _R_ 10:36, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: subtrivial fancruft, useless pseudoinformation. Wile E. Heresiarch 15:02, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge. I agree that there are characters less worthy of inclusion, but they don't belong here either; there should be some sort of crackdown on articles on minor characters in television series, because many character descriptions (excluding major characters such as Homer Simpson) should belong on the television show's parent page. Wikipedia isn't a fan page and such auxiliary pages are unnecessary. Ian Pugh 02:26, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep RustyCale 11:50, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge. And start work on a hierarchy of articles entitled Minor characters from <your favourite cult show here>  -- GWO 15:33, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Alice Meynell

Alice Christiana Gertrude Meynell (née Thompson; 11 October 1847 – 27 November 1922) was a British writer, editor, critic, and suffragist, now remembered mainly as a poet. She was considered for the position of Poet Laureate of the United Kingdom twice, first in 1892 on the death of Alfred, Lord Tennyson, and later in 1913 on the death of Alfred Austin, but was never appointed to the position.

Meynell and her husband, Wilfrid Meynell, were the owners and editors of several Catholic publications and patrons of the poet Francis Thompson.

Early life and family
Alice Christiana Gertrude Thompson was born in Barnes, London on 11 October 1847 to Thomas James and Christiana (née Weller) Thompson, a painter and concert pianist. The family moved around England, Switzerland, and France, but she was brought up mostly in Italy, where a daughter of her father's from his first marriage had settled. Her father was a friend of Charles Dickens, and Meynell suggests in her memoir that Dickens was also romantically interested in her mother, noting that he had said to Thomas Thompson, "Good God, what a madman I should seem if the incredible feeling I have conceived for that girl could be made plain to anyone!"

On her father's side, Meynell had Jamaican Creole ancestry and was a third cousin of Elizabeth Barret Browning.

Meynell suffered from ill health during her early life, and in 1868, during a bout of illness, converted to Roman Catholicism. During this time, she reportedly fell in love with the Jesuit Priest, Father Augustus Dignam, who had helped her in her conversion. Dignam is believed to have inspired Meynell's love poems "After Parting" and "Renouncement." By 1880, her entire family had also converted to Catholicism.

In 1876, Meynell met newspaper editor and fellow Catholic convert Wilfrid Meynell (1852-1948), who was five years her junior, and they married in 1877. The couple had eight children: Sebastian, Monica, Everard (1882–1926), Madeleine, Viola, Vivian (who died at three months), Olivia, and Francis. Viola Meynell (1885–1956) became a writer, known mainly for fiction, who later wrote a biography of her mother titled The Life of Alice Meynell (1932). Her youngest child Francis Meynell (1891–1975) became a poet and a printer who co-founded The Nonesuch Press.

Writing and publishing
In 1875, Meynell published Preludes, her first poetry collection, illustrated by her elder sister Lady Elizabeth Butler (1846–1933). The work was warmly praised by John Ruskin, who especially praised the sonnet "Renouncement" for its beauty and delicacy, though although it received little public notice otherwise.

After their marriage in 1877, Meynell and her husband became a proprietors and editors of various magazines, including The Pen, the Weekly Register, and Merry England, among others. Meynell was highly involved in the editorial work of these publications.

Meynell also continued to publish her own writing, including literary and art criticism, and wrote regularly for The World, The Spectator, The Magazine of Art, the Scots Observer (which became the National Observer, both edited by W. E. Henley), The Tablet, The Art Journal, the Pall Mall Gazette, and The Saturday Review. Her poems show her feminist concerns as well as her reactions to the events of World War I.

Patronage of Francis Thompson
The poet Francis Thompson, who was homeless and suffering from an opium addiction, sent the couple a manuscript. His poems were first published in the Meynell's paper Merry England, and the couple became supporters of Thompson. His 1893 book Poems was published by the Meynells.

Relationships with other writers
Meynell and her husband had a wide social circle that included many notable writers of their time, including Jeannette Augustus Marks, Robert Browning and Elizabeth Barrett Browning, Frieda and D.H. Lawrence, Harriet Monroe, and Aubrey de Vere.

Meynell also had a deep friendship with Coventry Patmore, whose poetry she supported, that lasted several years. In 1893, Coventry gave Meynell the manuscript for The Angel in the House, his best-known work, as a token of their friendship. Eventually, Patmore became obsessively in love with Meynell, leading her to end their friendship. She wrote the article on Patmore for the Catholic Encyclopedia.

Artist's model
Meynell was also involved in the world of art. In 1894, she was drawn by John Singer Sargent, and in 1897 by William Rothenstein. She was also photographed by Sherril Schell in approximately 1911-1913, by E. O. Hoppé in 1914, and by Walter Stoneman in approximately 1916.

Sargent requested Meynell to write the introduction for a collection of his works, titled The Works of John S. Sargent, R.A., in 1903.

Critical reception
In March 1923, a few months after Meynell's death, Jeanette Marks published a retrospective of Meynell's works in the North American Review. She criticized Meynell's "religiosity" and "deliberate and labored moral judgments," but praised Meynell's embrace of "the multitude," writing that: "To Alice Meynell the last curiosity was not of art but of life itself; it is the disparity between destiny and nature; the trivial transmission of a life that is nevertheless great, the vulgar experience of love that is none the less real, the 'heroic virtue' of death committed to the keeping of us all; the gravity of mortality greater than that of immortality." Also in 1923, Harriet Monroe wrote of Meynell's writing, "There is a crying need for a complete edition of Alice Meynell's verse and prose...Sometimes her quest of an austere beaty is carried too far toward preciosity, but often she attains without effort a severe clarity and precision which the rising generation will do well to study."

Meynell's work has continued to be praised and studied in the late twentieth and early twenty-first centuries, with contemporary scholars including Angela Leighton and Linda Austin having published articles on Meynell and her work.

Activism
At the end of the 19th century, in conjunction with uprisings against the British (among them the Indians', the Zulus', the Boxer Rebellion, and the Muslim revolt led by Muhammad Ahmed in the Sudan), many European scholars, writers, and artists, began to question Europe's colonial imperialism. This led the Meynells and others in their circle to speak out for the oppressed. Alice Meynell was a vice-president of the Women Writers' Suffrage League, founded by Cicely Hamilton and active 1908–19.

Meynell was one of the early founders of the Catholic women's organisation, Catholic Women's Suffrage Society in support of peaceful means for the achievement of equal suffrage rights for women. Meynell established and wrote in the first edition of its newspaper The Catholic Suffragist, in 1915, that 'a Catholic suffragist woman is a graver suffragist on graver grounds and with weightier reasons than any other suffragist in England (sic)'.... Surely England has endured too long what is not only immodest but profoundly immoral, reports were shared from eleven branches (including a national congress in Wales and two societies in Scotland) and the editorial said 'We dare to say that if the balance of power between men and women had been more equal the world over, we should not still be settling international disputes by swamping a continent in blood and turning Europe into a shambles.

Meynell wrote in The Tablet against Father Henry Day who preached against votes for women risking 'bringing a revolution of the first magnitude'. Meynell retorted 'I say, most gravely, the vaster the magnitude of the revolution, the better.' Where Day saw 'danger' Meynell saw a 'fortress of safety' for Catholic women, and she saw anti-suffrage rhetoric as 'insolence'.

Death and legacy
Meynell was twice considered for the Poet Laureate of the United Kingdom, on the 1892 death of Alfred, Lord Tennyson and in 1913 to replace Alfred Austin. Elizabeth Barrett Browning, her third cousin, was the only other female potential laureate up to that time. Neither of these women were given the recognition of this status with the first and only female to hold the post, appointed by the monarch, being Carol Ann Duffy in 2009 -19.

After a series of illnesses, including migraine and depression, Meynell died on 27 November 1922 aged 75. A posthumous collection of her Last Poems was published by Burns and Oates, a year later. Meynell is buried at Kensal Green Catholic Cemetery in London. There is a London County Council commemorative blue plaque on the front wall of the property at 47 Palace Court, Bayswater, London, W2, where she and her husband once lived, whilst the 2023 play Modest covered Alice and her sister Elizabeth's life from 1874 to 1879.

Upon Meynell's death, Jeannette Marks wrote, "Like a child my mind has kept step with hers for many years, and like a child it still runs beside her, looking up, using her living words, following her thought. In the 'running' I have lost account of time; and now, they say, she is dead...Tribulation, Immortality, the Multitude!"

Selected works
The latter publication is catalogued by one WorldCat library as Prose and Poetry of A. Meynell, 1847–1922 (OCLC 219753450) and by one as ''Alice Meynell: Prose and Poetry. Centenary Volume (OCLC 57050918), while another reports a 2007 facsimile edition Prose and Poetry, 1847–1922''. There may be the title of a 1970 issue as Prose and Poetry,.
 * Preludes (1875) – poems
 * The Rhythm of Life and Other Essays (1893)
 * Poems by Francis Thompson (1893) – editor and producer
 * Holman Hunt (1893)
 * Selected Poems of Thomas Gordon Hake (1894) – editor
 * The Poetry of Pathos & Delight by Coventry Patmore (1896) – editor
 * The Flower of the Mind (1897) – anthology of English verse, editor, critic
 * London Impressions (1898)
 * John Ruskin (1900)
 * Later Poems (1902)
 * The Work of John S. Sargent (1903)
 * Ceres' Runaway and Other Essays (1909)
 * Childhood (1913)
 * Essays (1914)
 * Hearts of Controversy (1917)
 * The Second Person Singular and Other Essays (1921)
 * The Poems of Alice Meynell: Complete Edition (Oxford University Press, 1940)
 * The Poems of Alice Meynell: Centenary Edition (London: Hollis and Carter, 1947)
 * Prose and Poetry (Jonathan Cape, 1947) – multiple editors, centenary publication with a biography and critical introduction by Vita Sackville-West
 * The Poems of Alice Meynell: Complete Edition (Oxford University Press, 1940)
 * The Poems of Alice Meynell: Centenary Edition (London: Hollis and Carter, 1947)
 * Prose and Poetry (Jonathan Cape, 1947) – multiple editors, centenary publication with a biography and critical introduction by Vita Sackville-West

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Dani people

The Dani (also spelled Ndani) are an ethnic group from the Central Highlands of Western New Guinea in Baliem Valley, Highland Papua, Indonesia. Around 100,000 people live in the Baliem Valley, consisting of representatives of the Dani tribes in the lower and upper parts of the valley each 20,000 and 50,000 in the middle part (with a total of 90,000 people). The areas west of the Baliem Valley are inhabited by approx 180,000, representatives of the Lani people, incorrectly called "Western Dani". All inhabitants of Baliem Valley and the surrounding areas are often called Dani hence they are also sometimes conflated with other highland tribes such as Lani in the west; Walak in the north; Nduga, Mek, and Yali in the south and east.

They are one of the most populous tribes in the highlands and are found spread out through the highlands. The Dani are one of the best-known ethnic groups in Papua, due to the relatively numerous tourists who visit the Baliem Valley area where they predominate. Ndani meaning 'people of the east' is the name given to the Lani living east of the Moni, at the time misunderstood to refer to all inhabitants of the Baliem Valley, and while they call themselves Hubula (or Huwulra, Hugula, Hubla), they have been known as Dani since the 1926 Smithsonian Institution-Dutch Colonial Government expedition to New Guinea under Matthew Stirling who visited the Moni.

Language
Linguists identify at least four sub-groupings of Dani languages or Baliem Valley languages:
 * Wano language
 * Nggem language
 * Central Dani
 * Grand Valley Dani:
 * Lower-Grand Valley Dani (20,000 speakers) and Hupla language
 * Mid-Grand Valley Dani (50,000 speakers)
 * Upper-Grand Valley Dani (20,000 speakers)
 * Lani or Western Dani (180,000 speakers) and Walak language
 * Ngalik language:
 * Nduga
 * Silimo
 * Yali (dialect cluster)

The Dani languages differentiate only two basic colours, mili for cool/dark shades such as blue, green, and black, and mola for warm/light colours such as red, yellow, and white. This trait makes it an interesting field of research for language psychologists, e.g. Eleanor Rosch, eager to know whether there is a link between the way of thought and language.

First contact with Europeans
A small fringe group of the Dani (technically Nduga), living south of Puncak Trikora and presenting themselves as the Pesegem and the Horip tribes, were met on 29 October 1909, by the Second South New Guinea Expedition led by Hendrikus Albertus Lorentz, who stayed several nights in their village. First contact with the populous Western Dani (Lani) was made in October 1920 during the Central New Guinea Expedition, in which a group of explorers stayed for six months with them at their farms in the upper Swart River Valley (now Toli Valley, Tolikara Regency). The Grand Valley was only sighted on 23 June 1938 from a PBY Catalina by Richard Archbold, who stumbled upon the valley while studying high-altitude vegetation in the Jayawijaya Mountains.

The first white people to live among the Dani were John and Helen Dekker, under whose ministry the Christian population among the Dani grew to 13,000.

Culture
Sweet potatoes are important in their local culture, being the most important tool used in bartering, especially in dowries. Likewise, pig feasts are extremely important to celebrate events communally; the success of a feast, and that of a village big man (man of influence) or organiser, is often gauged by the number of pigs slaughtered.

The Dani use an earth oven method (called bakar batu or barapen) to cook pigs and their staple crops such as sweet potato, banana, and cassava. They heat stones in a fire until they are extremely hot, and line a pit with some of them. Cuts of meat and pieces of sweet potato or banana are wrapped in banana leaves, the food packages are lowered into the pit, more hot stones are placed on top, and the pit is covered with grass and a cover to keep steam in. After a couple of hours, the food is ready to eat. Pigs are too valuable to be served regularly and are reserved for special occasions only. Ritual small-scale warfare between rival villages was an integral part of traditional Dani culture, with much time spent preparing weapons and treating resulting injuries. In 1966, there was a massacre in which 125 people were killed in an attack by an enemy clan. Typically the emphasis in battle is to insult the enemy and wound or kill token victims, as opposed to capturing territory or property or vanquishing the enemy village. Such fighting is no longer done.

Ethnographic studies
In 1961, as a member of the Harvard-Peabody study, filmmaker Robert Gardner began recording the Dani of the Baliem River Valley, specifically in Kurulu District and Wita Waya District, Jayawijaya Regency. In 1965, he created the film Dead Birds from this experience. Gardner emphasizes the themes of death and people-as-birds in Dani culture. "Dead birds" or "dead men" are terms the Dani use for the weapons and ornaments taken from the enemy during battle (wim). These trophies are displayed during the two-day dance of victory (edai) after an enemy is killed.

title: Dani people