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persian split ergativity
perhaps the persian grammar article could use a section on split ergativity with associated examples if this is indeed the case - see persian grammar/ discussion  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.195.115 (talk) 06:25, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

ArabTex image
Greetings, I have just translated the article related to ArabTex to French and was wondering if the image you added to it can be reused freely. Please confirm on the discussion page of the French version (linked from English). Kind regards. Sphinx.

Category:Wikipedian linguists recategorization
The user categorisation scheme for linguistics has changed. Henceforth there are separate categories for Wikipedians who are professional linguists (Category:Wikipedians by profession→Wikipedian linguists) and Wikipedians who simply have an interest in linguistics (Category:Wikipedians by fields of interest→Wikipedians interested in linguistics). You are currently listed under the former category; please reassign yourself if necessary. —Psychonaut 17:09, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Iranian Languages redirect to Languages of Iran
I reverted the redirects from Iranian languages to Languages of Iran. Please don't confuse the two. Iranian languages is a linguistic branch of the Indo-European language family. Languages of Iran are the languages that are found in the country of Iran. It's like confusing Germanic languages with Languages of Germany. There are plenty of Germanic languages outside of Germany (eg. English, Icelandic, Swedish, ...), and there are non-Germanic languages in Germany (eg. Upper Sorbian - a Slavic language, or Romany) --jonsafari 03:53, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * As a member of WikiProject Languages, I should have known that. Thanks for the catch. --Wikiacc (talk) 20:03, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Bislama
Thank you for letting me about the extraordinary change from bi to bis - I expect Babel pages to announce the languages I speak, not my sexual preferences! Ringbark 12:50, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Just to let you know, Jonsafari, there's a requested move to move that template back to where it was in the first place. See Template talk:User bi. —BorgHunter (talk) 04:48, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * So please zip along to Template_talk:User_bi and vote in support of the suggestion. Though in a troll-free world, none of this would be necessary. Ringbark 09:29, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry!
Hi there. I am really sorry! I did not want to revert your edits. It was just an unintentional mistake. Sorry again. -- Gorbeh 18:53, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Appreciation
Hi there. I just want to thank you for your diligence and hard work in Iran-related article specially in WP:Commons. All the best. Amir85 11:07, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

BYU User Box
You may be interested in updates to Template:User_BYU. I've added several new options to the talk page there. NThurston 22:24, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Persian grammar
Can you recommend a good, relatively inexpensive Persian reference grammar? The only grammar at my university library is Lambton, and hers is more of a workbook than reference book - and a somewhat outdated one at that. You seem to be relying on Mahootian, but he seems far too advanced for me and far too expensive (Amazon wants $300). Is Persian Grammar by John Mace any good, in your opinon? --Jpbrenna 05:21, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

 * The Mace (2003) book is an excellent book in general, and a very excellent book for you specifically. And it's pretty cheap.  The new Teach Yourself series book by Farzad (2004) is kinda ok, but too drill-oriented and scattered for my taste, like most TY books.  For a more linguistic intro, check out the Persian (and maybe even the Iranian languages) chapter of Bernard Comrie's World's Major Languages (1987).  The book as a whole is really fun, informative, and disgustingly cheap for the size and amount of content.  --jonsafari 22:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Question
Do you think English would benifit from a spelling reform?Cameron Nedland 21:37, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

linguist assistance
You are listed in the linguist by profession category. Would you please look at the discussion at Talk:Caron? It has been suggested that professional opinions are required to resolve the dispute there.

Regarding pahlavi literature
Hi, since you may wonder why i put the "see also" link back, I'll tell you. I appreciate why you did not think it was relevant enough, however since they are related, there is no reason why they should not be linked to eachother, i am sure you agree. Well it is not that important subject to discuss anyway. -- S p a h b o d  01:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey
No problems, I still think the article should be redirected. I've merged in all the unique content into Persian language, but I'm not comfortable with actually performing the redir until there are a reasonable number around who accept that its the right thing to do. By the way, I have most of "A short sketch of Tajik Grammar" and the intro and morphology sections of "Tajik Persian Reference Grammar", so if you have any questions, feel free to ask. Incidentally, did you see Tajik alphabet, I've been working on it for a while and would appreciate any comments you have :) And if you get really interested, I'm working on the Tajik Wikipedia too :) - FrancisTyers · 00:50, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks, if you could let me know at least the author/date/title I can see about getting it through inter-library loan before I leave university. If I can think of anything regarding those articles I will let you know :) Regards. PS. There still seems to be one person objecting to the merge on The English name of the Persian Language, even though all the information is merged into Persian language already. Can you double check to make sure I didn't miss anything, leave a note on the talk page and then I'll redirect it. There's already two linguists (well, one and a half — I didn't graduate yet) telling him it needs to go, I think three will probably be enough :) - FrancisTyers · 10:57, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Hey, just to let you know, User:Future Perfect at Sunrise already merged the page, but there is a delightful little edit war going down. I've tried to get arguments to keep the page after the information has been merged, but am receiving no joy on the talk page. I'm fairly sure that this is the right thing to do, but there are two editors opposing the merge seemingly "just because". Regards, - FrancisTyers · 00:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I just checked out your site, and thought you might be interested in this I've been working on. If you know of any free software tokenizers for Persian I would be very interested to know about them :) I'll probably snarf your stemmer/morphological analyser at some point :) - FrancisTyers · 12:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the Rastorgueva, I have the English translation, the title is "A short sketch of Tajik grammar", although it deals more with morphology. Perry's book, "Tajik Persian Reference Grammar" is comprehensive, but I was only able to borrow it on inter-library loan for a week, so I didn't get as much photocopying done from it as I would have liked. Thanks for your note :) - FrancisTyers · 12:50, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Dance capitalization
I noticed that you listed yourself as a linguist. There is currently a dispute at the Lindy Hop article the Dance WikiProject about the capitalization of dances that could use the expertise of a linguist. If you think you might be able to help, we would certainly appreciate your comments. Thanks! --Cswrye 05:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Recent edit in Persian language
The ISO may use "fa" for Persian, but this not mean that it is correct. ISO 639-1 uses "de" for "German language" (taken from the local name of the language, "Deutsch"), yet, the language is still called "German" in English and not "Deutsch". "Persian" is the correct name of the language in English and other European languages, while "Farsi" or "Parsi" is the correct local name. Alternative names of the language are "Ajami", "Dari", and "Tajiki", as well as "Hazaragi" and "Dehlawi". Tājik 08:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

47 in Bislama
Hi, I am collecting translations for the number 47 (forty-seven). So far I have 509 translations, which you can see here. Can you help and tell me how to say and write 47 in Bislama? I'd be most thankful; please reply on my talk page. Thank you! — N-true 14:31, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Jpbrenna/Ossetic grammar
Just a stub now, but take a look. --Jpbrenna 04:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hindustani orthography
Thank you for placing the the above category on the Urdu alphabet page. I clicked on the cateogry and noticed that Hindustani orthography was the main page article. I also noticed that it was not yet created. Since you are very knowledgeable in this subject, would you mind creating this article and linking all the scripts you placed in the category: Hindustani orthography on the 'See Also" section of Hindustani orthography. This will be greatly appreciated. I have already placed a link to Hindustani orthography in Urdu_alphabet. Thanks in advance for your help and Wikipedia contributions. Anupam 22:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Assalamualaikum. I think you did an excellent job of creating the article! I made a few minor additions and changes however. You might be interested in Hindustani (Hindi-Urdu) word etymology and Hindi-Urdu grammar. Hindi-Urdu grammar needs some Perso-Arabic script transliteration at towards the end of the page if you would be interested in doing that. Thanks again for creating the Hindustani orthography article. Once again, you did a great job. By the way, what scripts do you know? Khuda Hafiz. Anupam 04:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Proposed Urdu-Hindustani Romanization move
Walaikumasalaam. Thanks for the post on my talk page. I thought the title was too lengthy as well. I sent Omer Farook two messages regarding the move but he did not reply to either of them. I thought I did it in a genial way too. If I don't get a reply in a day or two, I will go ahead and move the article. Do you think Urdu-Hindustani Romanization or Romanization of Urdu-Hindustani sounds better? I checked Category:Romanization and most of the articles seemed to follow the naming convention of the latter. Another possibility is naming the article after the inventors of the system: Uddin and Begum Urdu-Hindustani Romanization. Let me know which one you like or any new suggestions. I looked at the article and saw a reference but there is a need for format improvement. Thanks again for the support in this issue. I have a request for you regarding Hindi-Urdu grammar: Would it be possible for you to add IPA to the article where there is transliteration? There was a discussion on the article's talk page about this and the result was that IPA would be used on the article instead of transliteration. Could you please let me know if you can do this? Also, are you a native Persian speaker? I look forward to hearing from you soon. Khuda Hafiz. Jdas07 21:36, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input. Out of the two we narrowed it down to, which one we move it to: Uddin and Begum Urdu-Hindustani Romanization or Urdu-Hindustani Romanization. Besides, the length of the title, I feel the former would be more appropriate since it describes a specific scheme. Please let me know what you think. As soon as I receive your reply, I will move the article to the name we select. Thanks. Anupam 18:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I renamed it Uddin and Begum Urdu-Hindustani Romanization as it is a more specific title. Thanks for all your support and encouragement! Anupam 20:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

ipa-N
you may be interested in

Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_August_26

Tobias Conradi (Talk) 02:17, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey
Thanks for the note, I looked up your reference. I know you didn't mean it that way, but you were right. I was taking quite an adversarial stance, I'll try and drop that :) - FrancisTyers · 12:12, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Heh, you're right about the difficulties of text format. What I was trying to say above is, yes I understand you weren't getting at me, but really I should have known better to start throwing around words like "authoritative" ;) PS. I saw you were compiling a Persian lexicon, are you intending to develop this further? - FrancisTyers · 11:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Aha, thats pretty cool (looking at the Finnish one). Well, I had the intention of building up morphological lexicons for Tajik and Persian (forgive the ambiguous terms) — actually I was hoping someone would help out. My idea was to use the dictionary format specified by the apertium project. This involves specifying paradigms to give inflection rules and then linking every lemma you put in with a paradigm. You can see some description of the format here. I would probably control adding removing symbols/paradigms/lemmas by means of a web form — later allowing for 'bulk import'. If you are interested in the project, or just have some ideas I would be interested in hearing them. - FrancisTyers · 09:10, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

 * (Needless to say this will be Free Software) - FrancisTyers · 09:11, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Another question, I saw you had Riazat (1997) "Computational Analysis of Persian Morphology", in your bibliography (.bib file). Do you have a copy of this. If so 1) Is it worth reading, 2) Would you be able to forward me a copy? — If the answers are 'yes' and 'no' respectively I'll see about getting a copy myself. - FrancisTyers · 12:28, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the suggestion. Actually I just found "Persian Computational Morphology: A Unification-Based Approach" (Megerdoomian), which seems pretty comprehensive (56 pages). Hopefully it won't be necessary. (In case you are wondering — I'm looking into applying this to Tajik, which I guess will be almost identical except for the tricky segmentation problems that come from working with Perso-Arabic). - FrancisTyers · 18:57, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I came accross this, and thought you might be interested. There are many papers on lexicon extraction, but this one has a Free Software tool to go with it. Unfortunately it is largely written in Haskell (one of the languages I haven't learnt yet). I tried it with Tajik, and it seems to work alright -- the Unicode support seems ok. - Francis Tyers · 13:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm writing them at the moment.

paradigm noun1 = x       {(x+"ҳо" & (x+"ҳои" | x+"и")) & (x+"ҳоро" | x+"ро" | x+"е")};

paradigm adj1 = x       {x+"тар" & x+"тарин"};

That's how far I've got so far (not far as you can see -- I'm going to get more onto it this weekend when I'm back home and have access to my various resources) :)

If you want to have a go with a corpus, I can recommend WWW Boot Cat (in case you haven't come accross it before -- its just a web version of the standard BootCat tools). - Francis Tyers · 07:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

IPA2
Hi, Jonsafari (Jánsafari)! I just logged in and noticed that my article is tagged as AfD. I read the comments and I think it is tagged for personal reasons of the AfD initiator. Would you pls leave your comment? As the author, I do not see myself the right person to give comments. I really appreciate your opinion, regardless of what you decide. Thanx! -DrMoslehi 00:20, 17 September 2006 (UTC+3:30)
 * There are a few references which I know about and I have listed them on the articles page including the tutorials. So far, Persian Linguisics Association holds Persian classes in IPA2 script for those who do not want to get tackled by the very difficult Perso-Arabic script and they learn Persian very quickly and comprehensively. About other resources, I have not made a deep search with Google. The reasons why it is the most complete and accurate writing system for Persian is discussed on the project pages and through its tutorials. While other scripts are more useful for transcribing Persian, IPA2 is a complete alphabet with logical, regular rules based on linguistics. -DrMoslehi 21:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC+3:30)

 * Hi,

Hereby I just wanted to thank you for your support to keep the article IPA2 and hope I cn do my best to improve the quality of the article. -DrMoslehi 22 September 2006, 06:22 (UTC+3:30)

Asoon.org
Why are you deleting our links as spam?

vandal?
please move the Persian Danceg page back,

 * Are you referring to this move done by now-blocked user Unit? –jonsafari 01:11, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

yeah-Zadsat 04:58, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

good thinking
I was just contemplating creating a Category:Cuneiform too, well done. dab (ᛏ) 20:16, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Ossetic & other Iranian languages: transliteration
I wonder if you can take a look at the final paragraph in this section of the Ossetic article and see if you can shed any light on it; I'm not sure I have the expertise and the materials at hand to cite. --Jpbrenna 22:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Roman Urdu
Salaam jonsafari! I hope you are well. I was wondering if you can add the Devanagari to the Writing system section. Both Fayyaz Abbas and I are waiting for this task to be completed. Then we all can work on the system we will implement in the article (right now there are two- I noticed your comments regarding the Alternative for ں Retroflex Nasal on the talk page). I am wondering if you can graciously add the Devanagari to the Writing system table at your earliest convenience. I feel you have the knowledge to do so. I would really appreciate this. Please let me know if you would be willing to do this. Thanks! Khuda hafiz, AnupamTalk 03:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Tajik lexicon etc.
Hey man, I've started on a Tajik lexicon (at the moment entitled Tajik-English-Iranian-Russian — at the request of one of the contributors). There are currently around 800 entries, see here. You can grab the whole thing as a csv, see here. At the moment its kind of biased towards Tajik/English, and there is not much morphological information (as you can see it is kind of messed up -- a mangle of a Tajik morphological lexicon and a Tajik-English-Iranian-Russian bilingual lexicon. The major contributor wanted a Tajik-English-Iranian-Russian dictionary and I wanted a Tajik morphological lexicon -- so we have somewhat of a bastardisation of the two!). But we hope to rectify that within the coming days/weeks/months. When we get a few more words I'll probably make a better interface. Just a heads up :) - Francis Tyers · 10:27, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Definitely. Thats my whole reason behind starting it. When we have say 1,500 complete entries, I'm going to make a convertor for the (admittedly odd) setup I have at the moment to some standard dictionary format[s]. Starting with the Apertium one, others considered on request. Let me know if you have any further ideas/suggestions. - Francis Tyers · 08:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
In Him was life, and that life was the Light of men. John 1:4 KJV Dear , Love came to a stable on that very special night to bring us out of darkness into His glorious light. May Jesus touch your life with gladness and warm your heart with love as we celebrate His birth. I hope you have a Blessed Christmas, AnupamTalk 06:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Your'e very welcome. Thanks also for the Christmas wishes. With regards, AnupamTalk 06:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Persian language
Here are some immediate thoughts:

 * References need to be cleaned up and standardised -- also needs more citations.
 * The difference between Iranian Persian and Persian needs to be distinguished.
 * Section on "Modern Persian influence on other languages" and "Vocabulary" can probably be merged.
 * The Writing systems section should be cleaned up a bit so that it covers all the major writing systems used for Persian.
 * Trivia section should be removed.
 * Not sure how useful the comparison table is.
 * The phonology section needs tightening to mention changes in vowels between the varieties.
 * No mention of Early New Persian.

Basically I think the main problem with the article as it is written currently is the confusion between talking about Iranian Persian (e.g. the standardised variety spoken in Iran), and Persian which is a catch-all term for all of the standards spoken. If we are talking about the catch-all term, we should be careful not to assume that the Iranian variety is the "standard to which all other standards aspire".

Consider sections like: Lexical confusion in the West between terms like Farsi, Dari and Tajiki often leads to an underestimation of the breadth of the influence of Persian in Southwest Asia, which is quite important and is a legacy of the millennia-long existence of a Persian cultural sphere, perhaps because this cultural sphere functioned differently than modern nationalism in the West. Other Iranian languages are closely related as well.

It might be a good idea to arrange the sections more in the order of WikiProject Languages/Template?

All in all, I wouldn't support it for GA right now... mainly because of the lack of references. I'd be interested in working with you to get it up to GA quality though, although I anticipate political problems. Hope this review has been of help, - Francis Tyers · 23:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

 * And so it begins... :) - Francis Tyers · 22:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

 * No problem, it will be interesting to see how far we can get... Just submitted my PhD application today, so wish me luck! :) - Francis Tyers · 23:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Btw, I moved some stuff around tonight, and added some more suggestions to the talk page. - Francis Tyers · 00:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Comments from bogdan

 * it would be useful to have differences in major phonetical changes between Pers. and other Indo-Iranian langugages.
 * and usually, not individual words are borrowed, but batches of words. it could tell about the major batches of such words. e.g. religious vocabulary from arabic
 * it would be good to have a table with where it's spoken. I mean, how many speakers in each country, etc.

(via the internet) - Francis Tyers · 11:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Time
I wish I had the time too, and more resources, I could do with something more than the short section by Windfuhr. By the way, do you know of any papers that discuss Persian from a pluricentric language viewpoint? - Francis Tyers · 16:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Manual of Style (Persian)
Please also participate in the discussion in the talk page. Jahangard 19:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Kurów on Bislama Wikipedia
Could you please write a stub http://bi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w - just a few sentences based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w ? Only 2-5 sentences enough. Please.

PS. Article about Kurów is already on 133 languages. Pietras1988 21:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Persian tables
No problem. Table OCD is one of my things. Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 19:01, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Nasta'liq
Should it be Nasta'liq? I don't have any software for Persian Nasta'liq. I think Naskh is good enough (in daily applications, Perso-Arabic script is usually written in Naskh). Jahangard 13:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Vanuatu Scouting
Can you help render "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Bislama? Thanks! Chris 06:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Persian language
The Persian language article received heavy editing today by new/unregistered users, which I noticed at WikiRage.com. The article may benefit from a good review. According to Wikipedia Page History Statistics, you are one of the top contributors to that page. If you have the time, would you please read over the article and make any necessary changes. Thanks. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 08:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

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WikiProject Films coordinator elections
The WikiProject Films coordinator selection process is starting. We are aiming to elect five coordinators to serve for the next six months; if you are interested in running, please sign up here by March 28! Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 10:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Edits by User:DJ1AM
Hi,

Could you please take a look at the edits by User:DJ1AM? Most of the pronunciations that he/she puts in the Persian-related articles are wrong. Alefbe (talk) 19:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

pɒrsi edits
Hello, Jonsafari. I understand your claim that Odden is not a fully reliable source for the subject of pɒrsi phonology. Unfortunately, that was the only source that I could remember that had a reference to the rule. I do not keep a record of all of the sources I reference, but I do remember the important information from these sources as I test them myself with native speakers of the language at question.

You must understand how frustrating it is when users lacking in knowledge of the subject attempt to revert edits, claiming that no reliable sources are used, and not providing their own sources for their edits. It is even more frustrating that many "reliable" sources were written by authors with little understanding of phonology, often using APA instead of IPA, making it even more difficult to find sources that are truly reliable. Understand that I am merely trying to provide Wikipedia with the most accurate information regarding the subjects that I know. -- DJ1AM (talk) 19:28, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

star height problem
Hello, I've noticed that you cleaned up the star height article. Good work overall, but I think the reference to the article "star-free languages" is misleading, and requires further explanation if we want to keep the link from that page: these languages are star-free in the sense of the generalized star height problem, which allows the complement operator in (generalized) regular expressions. The star-free languages in the sense of (restricted) star height are exactly the finite languages. My suggestion is to remove the link, and let it live over there at the generalized star height page.

Best, Hermel21:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Abduyi and Davani dialects
Dear Jonsafari, I am not a linguist, please again check me if you have time: Abduyi dialect, Davani dialect. Thank you in advance. Raayen (talk) 02:03, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your great improvements. Again just as an enthusiast, I should say that according to ethnologue, dialects like Davani don't belong to the same tree as standard/common Persian technically, however from the historical point of view they are considered Persian. For example:

-Abu Rayhan Biruni, a native speaker of Khwarezmian mentions that: "the people of Khwarezm, they are a branch of the Persian tree." (Abu Rahyan Biruni, "Athar al-Baqqiya 'an al-Qurun al-Xaliyyah"(Vestiges of the past : the chronology of ancient nations), Tehran, Miras-e-Maktub, 2001. Original Arabic of the quote: "و أما أهل خوارزم، و إن کانوا غصنا ً من دوحة الفُرس"(pg 56)).

-Masudi, the Arab historian calls various Persian dialects and their speakers as Persian, here: "The Persians are a people whose borders are the Mahat Mountains and Azarbaijan up to Armenia and Aran, and Bayleqan and Derbent, and Ray and Tabaristan and Masqat and Shabaran and Jorjan and Abarshahr, and that is Nishabur, and Herat and Marv and other places in land of Khorasan, and Sejistan and Kerman and Fars and Ahvaz...All these lands were once one kingdom with one sovereign and one language...although the language differed slightly. The language, however, is one, in that its letters are written the same way and used the same way in composition.  There are, then, different languages such as Pahlavi, Dari, Azari, as well as other Persian languages." ((Al Mas'udi, Kitab al-Tanbih wa-l-Ishraf, De Goeje, M.J. (ed.), Leiden, Brill, 1894, pp. 77-8). Original Arabic from www.alwaraq.net: فالفرس أمة حد بلادها الجبال من الماهات وغيرها وآذربيجان إلى ما يلي بلاد أرمينية وأران والبيلقان إلى دربند وهو الباب والأبواب والري وطبرستن والمسقط والشابران وجرجان وابرشهر، وهي نيسابور، وهراة ومرو وغير ذلك من بلاد خراسان وسجستان وكرمان وفارس والأهواز، وما اتصل بذلك من أرض الأعاجم في هذا الوقت وكل هذه البلاد كانت مملكة واحدة ملكها ملك واحد ولسانها واحد، إلا أنهم كانوا يتباينون في شيء يسير من اللغات وذلك أن اللغة إنما تكون واحدة بأن تكون حروفها التي تكتب واحدة وتأليف حروفها تأليف واحد، وإن اختلفت بعد ذلك في سائر الأشياء الأخر كالفهلوية والدرية والآذرية وغيرها من لغات الفرس.)

BTW, modern Iranian Persian, Dari and Tajiki are one language. They are actually dialects of each other. Those different names are misleading. That is from my first hand experiences talking to Tajiks. My two cents, you know better.

I will do my best to improve those articles according to your guidelines, but my references and information are restricted, I will try.--Raayen (talk) 01:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Thank you, I learned from you: here we are dealing with linguistics, so the dialects should be categorized as you said.--Raayen (talk) 12:28, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Question
Hi. I'm thinking of creating an article about Zargari (Morghuli), but first I need to be clear on what it is. I used to think it was only a language game based on a Persian dialect, and that it was Romani in origin. However, there are other sources calling it an "An endangered European Romani in Iran", which would make it a language in its own right. To even more complicate the matter, the Dom Research Center refers to Zargari as an ethnic group: A group that re-emigrated from Europe and ''the term used by strangers (non-Gypsies). The Zargaris call themselves Romi or Romani.''. So there could be a connection with Domari language. Anyways, please let me know what you think about this, and if I were to start an article, whether it should be about the secret language, the actual language, the Roma and/or Dom group, or all of the above. Thanks. Khoikhoi 02:56, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Hmm. The only problem with creating two articles is that it could be content forking. I can't find any sources stating the relationship between the language and the secret langauge, nor am I 100% sure that how related they really are. The problem is what we have conflicting sources, and I can't tell if they are completely different things, or whether it's the same thing, but some people prefer to classify it as a language, while others see it as simply a language game. I'm not sure. Maybe we should just have one article as opposed to two.

 * BTW, there has been an edit war at Mazandarani language for the past few months between this introduction and this one. There's a great deal of discussion about it at Talk:Mazandarani language, and as a linguist, your opinion on the matter would be very much appreciated. The page has been protected several times this year alone. Please let me know what your take on the situation is, thanks. Khoikhoi 06:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi! In addition to what khoikhoi mentioned, there is another dispute at Mazandarani language and related articles over the classification of Mazandarni. What is your opinion? What is the safest way? Should Mazandarani be called a dialect, a local language or an entirety distinct language?--Larno Man (talk) 01:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

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Fars dialects
Thanks for the examples of the various Fars dialects such as Davani etc. Do you think you could add a table of basic vocabulary such as numbers 1 through 10, basic kinship terms, etc. That would be really useful in showing the differences in the various dialects. Do you have access to the Salami sources? Thanks. Azalea pomp (talk) 19:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for the information. :) It is very useful.  I never realized how many more villages spoke Fars than I thought.  The amount of scholarship now studying these dialects is giving us a lot more complete picture.  Azalea pomp (talk) 00:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Iranian Language Map
If you check the discussion on the Iranian languages page. I am creating a new map for the Iranian languages. I will try to make it very detailed with the Central Iran (Median) group and Fars dialects, etc. If you have any suggestions or other comments feel free. I am using some of the new articles in Ency. Iranica which have been a great help. Azalea pomp (talk) 00:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

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RE: SANTUR PAGE AND THE PICTURE YOU UPLOADED
Hello Jonsafari,

hope you are well, my name is Afshin

You uploaded this picture years ago & I've been wanting to replace it. actually I'm trying to eliminate bad pictures, incorrect info and I'm learning how to it the right way.

The Santur page is being attacked by an Iraqi woman :) lol

So Wiki says to give you notice and this is the notice.

Your picture says to replace it if a better one is found. I uploaded a better one.

FYI: Your picture name says: Persian Santur and the description says Turkish Santur

just so you know: Turkish people play the Persian Santur and tune it to their keys & use the moveable tuning levers. So your description is not that off.....

I'm happy to know someone like you actually cares to put energy into a page that is what I do for a living.

take care

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He visto que hablas bislama y te quería pedir si por favor podrías echar una mano en la Wikipedia en bislama. No hay nadie escribiendo y mi nivel es muy bajo. Un saludo. --Caro de Segeda (talk) 15:23, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

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 * As indicated in the name of the file, the purpose of this image is to illustrate how Tipa typesets phonetic characters. A web browser typesets these characters differently, precluding the purpose of the entire article. --jonsafari (talk) 04:18, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

 * Looks like someone vectorised it a few years ago, and the svg is the version being used. So the first half of the explanation is true (it's unused); the second part (that it can be typed out) still isn't true -- see above.  I'm ok with deleting the png, and keeping the svg.  --jonsafari (talk) 04:24, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

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 * As indicated in the name of the file, the purpose of this image is to illustrate how Tipa typesets phonetic characters. A web browser typesets these characters differently, precluding the purpose of the entire article.   --jonsafari (talk) 04:18, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

 * Looks like someone vectorised it a few years ago, and the svg is the version being used. So the first half of the explanation is true (it's unused); the second part (that it can be typed out) still isn't true -- see above.  I'm ok with deleting the png, and keeping the svg.  --jonsafari (talk) 04:24, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

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Heligoland–Zanzibar Treaty

The Heligoland–Zanzibar Treaty (Helgoland-Sansibar-Vertrag; also known as the Anglo-German Agreement of 1890) was an agreement signed on 1 July 1890 between Germany and the United Kingdom.

The accord gave Germany control of the Caprivi Strip (a ribbon of land that gave German South-West Africa access to the Zambezi River), the strategically located island of Heligoland in the North Sea, and the heartland of German East Africa. In return, Germany recognized British authority in Zanzibar. Heligoland was needed to control the new Kiel Canal and the approaches to Germany's North Sea ports. Britain used Zanzibar as a key link in the British control of East Africa.

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Germany gained the islands of Heligoland (Helgoland) in the North Sea, originally possession of the dukes of Holstein-Gottorp but since 1814 a British possession, the so-called Caprivi Strip in what is now Namibia, and a free hand to control and acquire the coast of Dar es Salaam that would form the core of German East Africa (later Tanganyika, now the mainland component of Tanzania).

In exchange, Germany handed over to Britain the protectorate over the small sultanate of Wituland (Deutsch-Witu, on the Kenyan coast) and parts of East Africa vital for the British to build a railway to Lake Victoria, and pledged not to interfere with British actions vis-à-vis the independent Sultanate of Zanzibar (i.e. the islands of Unguja and Pemba). In addition, the treaty established the German sphere of interest in German South West Africa (most of present-day Namibia) and settled the borders between German Togoland and the British Gold Coast (now Ghana), as well as between German Kamerun and British Nigeria.

Consequences
Britain divested itself of a naval base which covered the approaches to the main German naval bases in the North Sea, but which would be impossible to defend as Germany built up its navy. It immediately declared a protectorate over Zanzibar and, in the subsequent 1896 Anglo-Zanzibar War, gained full control of the sultanate.

The treaty served German chancellor Leo von Caprivi's aims for a settlement with the British. After the 1884 Berlin Conference, Germany had been losing out in the "Scramble for Africa". The German East Africa Company under Carl Peters had acquired a strip of land on the Tanganyikan coast (leading to the 1888 Abushiri Revolt), but had never had any control over the islands of the Zanzibar sultanate. The treaty gave away no vital German interests, while acquiring Heligoland, an island which was strategically placed for control over the German Bight. With the construction of the Kiel Canal from 1887 onward, control of the German Bight had become essential to Emperor Wilhelm's II plans for expansion of the Imperial Navy. Wilhelm's naval policies aborted an accommodation with the British and ultimately led to a rapprochement between Britain and France, sealed with the Entente cordiale in 1904.

The misleading name for the treaty was introduced by ex-Chancellor Otto von Bismarck, who intended to attack his despised successor Caprivi for concluding an agreement that Bismarck himself had arranged during his incumbency. However, Bismarck's nomenclature implied that Germany had swapped an African empire for tiny Heligoland ("trousers for a button"). This was eagerly adopted by imperialists, who complained about "treason" against German interests. Carl Peters and Alfred Hugenberg appealed for the foundation of the Alldeutscher Verband ("Pan-German League") which took place in 1891.

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Category talk:Broadcast news analysts

Analysts are different from anchors. Analysts are more interpretive; anchors are at least supposed to be more objective and neutral. Maurreen 06:25, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

"Broadcast news analysts"? That's worse than "analogue disc record"! Bonalaw 09:59, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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 * This category was listed for renaming on CFD on February 2, 2005. There was no clear consensus to rename and/or agreement could not be reached on the new name. Thus the category name has been kept as is.

Should be Category:News anchors. "Broadcast news analysts" is a very infrequently used term that doesn't accurately describe the people in the category. - SimonP 19:38, Feb 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't the Brits call these news presenters? If so, perhaps, Category:Broadcast news personalities is a better choice 132.205.45.148 20:27, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Our article on these people is at "news anchor," so purely for the sake of consistency it would be a good category title. Google also shows "news anchor" to the most popular:
 * "News anchor" 513,000 hits
 * "Newscaster" 195,000 hits
 * "News presenter" 21,900 hits
 * "Broadcast news analyst" 218 hits
 * Another title used in the UK is newsreader, unfortunately getting good Google results is impossible as searches for this term are overwhelmed by the software.- SimonP 18:26, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * FWIW (probably not a lot) the term "newsreader" is standard in Australia and New Zealand. Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]]

 * See also Category:Television people which includes quite a tree of categories which this overlaps with.-gadfium 23:39, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * "News analysts" sounds like we're talking about news media critics rather than the people who actually present the news on TV. "News personalities," however, is far too vague, and includes everyone from desk anchors to on-the-spot reporters to weathermen (and while we're at it, we should get rid of Category:Television personalities).  Would "news anchor" actually be confusing to the British, or is it merely something they don't tend to use?  Postdlf 01:20, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * 'Analyst' and 'critic' are not the same thing. An analyst is one who analyzes.  A critic is one who forms judgements on the merits or value.  Pure analysis doesn't make value judgements. —Mike 02:24, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that distinction always holds, but either way, the gist of what I meant was "analyst" sounds like someone who comments about broadcast news itself, rather than someone who is on a news broadcast. Postdlf 02:43, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Is everyone in this category a "new anchor" or are some non-anchors but still prominent news people? There isn't anything wrong with this category as it is, though I understand there is always a drive within Wikipedia to use more colloquial terms. —Mike 02:24, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Analysts and anchors should not be in the same category, unless it is Category:Television journalists. Maurreen 07:40, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * How about Category: Commentators and analysts appearing in television news broadcasts? This avoids the confusion that Postdlf has pointed out. It's long, though. --JuntungWu 12:55, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Or we could just leave it as it is because the description within the category succinctly defines what it is. Also, Maurreen is incorrect because there can be cross-over between news anchors and news analysts.  Besides, this category is an occupational category which doesn't have to be highly specific.  If you do feel compelled to separate news analysts and anchors, make those categories subcategories of this one. —Mike 17:54, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

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Gooseneck (sailing)

The gooseneck is the swivel connection on a sailboat by which the boom attaches to the mast. The boom may pivot in any direction, from side to side or up and down, by swiveling on the gooseneck.

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Waitematā Harbour

Waitematā Harbour is the main access by sea to Auckland, New Zealand. For this reason it is often referred to as Auckland Harbour, despite the fact that it is one of two harbours adjoining the city. The harbour forms the northern and eastern coasts of the Auckland isthmus and is crossed by the Auckland Harbour Bridge. It is matched on the southern side of the city by the shallower waters of the Manukau Harbour.

With an area of 70 mi2, it connects the city's main port and the Auckland waterfront to the Hauraki Gulf and the Pacific Ocean. It is sheltered from Pacific storms by Auckland's North Shore, Rangitoto Island, and Waiheke Island.

Etymology

The oldest Māori name of the harbour was Te Whanga-nui o Toi (The Big Bay of Toi), named after Toi, an early Māori explorer.

The name Waitematā means "Te Mata Waters", which according to some traditions refers to a mauri stone (a stone of Māori religious significance) called Te Mata, which was placed on Boat Rock (in the harbour south-west of Chatswood) by Te Arawa chief Kahumatamomoe. A popular translation of Waitematā is "The Obsidian Waters", referring to obsidian rock (matā). Another popular translation, derived from this, is "The Sparkling Waters", as the harbour waters were said to glint like the volcanic glass obsidian. However, this is incorrect, as grammatically Waitematā could not mean this.

Geography

The harbour is an arm of the Hauraki Gulf, extending west for eighteen kilometres from the end of the Rangitoto Channel. Its entrance is between North Head and Bastion Point in the south. The westernmost ends of the harbour extend past Whenuapai in the northwest, and to Te Atatū Peninsula in the west, as well as forming the estuarial arm known as the Whau River in the southwest.

The northern shore of the harbour consists of North Shore. North Shore suburbs located closest to the shoreline include Birkenhead, Northcote and Devonport (west to east). On the southern side of the harbour is Auckland CBD and the Auckland waterfront, and coastal suburbs such as Mission Bay, Parnell, Herne Bay and Point Chevalier (east to west), the latter of which lies on a short triangular peninsula jutting into the harbour.

The harbour is crossed at its narrowest point by the Auckland Harbour Bridge. To the east of the bridge's southern end lie the marinas of Westhaven and the suburbs of Freemans Bay and the Viaduct Basin. Further east from these, and close to the harbour's entrance, lies the Port of Auckland.

There are other wharves and ports within the harbour, notable among them the Devonport Naval Base, and the accompanying Kauri Point Armament Depot at Birkenhead, and the Chelsea Sugar Refinery wharf, all capable of taking ships over. Smaller wharves at Birkenhead, Beach Haven, Northcote, Devonport and West Harbour offer commuter ferry services to the Auckland CBD.

Geology
The harbour is a drowned valley system that was carved through Miocene marine sediments of the Waitemata Group. Recent volcanism in the Auckland volcanic field has also shaped the coast, most obviously at Devonport and the Meola Reef (a lava flow which almost spans the harbour), but also in the explosion craters of Orakei Basin and in western Shoal Bay. Over the last two million years, the harbour has cycled between periods of being a forested river valley and a flooded harbour. In periods of low sea level, a tributary ran from Milford into the Shoal Bay stream. This valley provided the harbour with a second entrance when sea levels rose, until the Lake Pupuke volcano plugged this gap.

Approximately 17,000 years ago during the Last Glacial Period when sea levels were significantly lower, the river flowed north-east along the Rangitoto Channel, meeting the Mahurangi River to the east of Kawau Island. The resulting river flowed further north-east between modern day Little Barrier Island and Great Barrier Island, eventually emptying into the Pacific Ocean north of Great Barrier Island.

The current shore is strongly influenced by tidal rivers, particularly in the west and north of the harbour. Mudflats covered by mangroves flourish in these conditions, and salt marshes are also typical.

History

Prior to European settlement, the harbour was the site of many Tāmaki Māori pā and kāinga, including Kauri Point in Chatswood, Okā at Point Erin, Te Tō at Freemans Bay, Te Ngahuwera, Te Rerenga-oraiti at Point Britomart, and Ōrākei. Herald Island and Watchman Island were both settled by the Waiohua confederation. The Waitematā Harbour was traditionally used as a fishery used by Tāmaki Māori for sharks and snapper. In the late 18th century and early 19th century, the waters were fished together by Ngāti Whātua-o-Ōrākei and Ngāti Pāoa. In traditional legend, the Waitematā Harbour is protected by a taniwha named Ureia, who takes the form of a whale.

The harbour has long been the main anchorage and port area for the Auckland region. Well-sheltered not only by the Hauraki Gulf itself but also by Rangitoto Island, the harbour offered good protection in almost all winds, and lacked dangerous shoals or major sand bars (like on the Manukau Harbour) that would have made entry difficult. The harbour also proved a fertile area for encroaching development, with major land reclamation undertaken, especially along the Auckland waterfront, within a few decades of the city's European founding.

Taking the idea of the several Māori portage paths over the isthmus one step further, the creation of a canal that would link the Waitematā and Manukau harbours was considered in the early 1900s. Legislation (the Auckland and Manukau Canal Act 1908) was passed that would allow authorities to take privately owned land where it was deemed required for a canal. However, no serious work (or land take) was undertaken. The act was repealed on 1 November 2010.

In 1982, a group that included leaders of the Anglican and Catholic proposed the construction of the Christ of the Ships, a 12 m bronze statue of Jesus be constructed on a reef in the Waitematā Harbour. The project was cancelled after facing significant opposition by Christian leaders from other denominations.

Sewage contamination
While the harbour has numerous beaches popular for swimming, the older-style "combined sewers" in several surrounding western suburbs dump contaminated wastewater overflows into the harbour on approximately 52 heavy-rain days a year, leading to regular health warnings at popular swimming beaches, until the outfalls have dispersed again. A major new project, the Central Interceptor, starting 2019, is to reduce these outfalls by about 80% once completed around 2024.

Demographics
The statistical area of Inlet Waitemata Harbour had a population of 84 at the 2018 New Zealand census, an increase of 60 people (250.0%) since the 2013 census, and an increase of 63 people (300.0%) since the 2006 census. There were no households. There were 60 males and 21 females, giving a sex ratio of 2.86 males per female. The median age was 25.5 years, with no people aged under 15 years, 54 (64.3%) aged 15 to 29, 21 (25.0%) aged 30 to 64, and 9 (10.7%) aged 65 or older.

Ethnicities were 50.0% European/Pākehā, 10.7% Māori, 3.6% Pacific peoples, 39.3% Asian, and no other ethnicities (totals add to more than 100% since people could identify with multiple ethnicities).

The proportion of people born overseas was 57.1%, compared with 27.1% nationally.

Although some people objected to giving their religion, 39.3% had no religion, 50.0% were Christian, and 3.6% had other religions.

Of those at least 15 years old, 9 (10.7%) people had a bachelor or higher degree, and 3 (3.6%) people had no formal qualifications. The median income was $40,200. The employment status of those at least 15 was that 54 (64.3%) people were employed full-time, 6 (7.1%) were part-time, and 0 (0.0%) were unemployed.

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User talk:Jakro64

About Royal/National motto
The question here is perhaps what kind of motto people are most likely to identify as the unified motto of the nation. I personally have never heard of "Enige og tro til dovre faller", even though i've served twelve months in the armed forces where we swore an oath to our king and country. But i've heard "Alt for Norge" in many contexts and occasions. And it is written on our currency too. --Heno 17:10, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I agree that "Enige og tro til Dovre faller" is not very well-known, especially among younger people. (This is mostly another good example on the terrible education level in Norway's secondary schools.) But "Alt for Norge" is King Harold's personal motto, not the Norwegian royal family's motto. It is well known that "Alt for Norge" has been used by football-fans, but please let us keep this debate on a historical level! The village of Dovre and "Enige og tro til Dovre faller" is in fact something which is binding the nation together and has done that for almost 200 years. The fact that our younger generation is not so well aware about it, is also telling that Wikipedia is a very good tool for everybody of us. This leaves us with two options: "Enige og tro til Dovre faller" or to leave it blank. Jakro64 10:21, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Why cant you take the time to proper analyze what im saying in response to you? I've served 12-months in the armed services and i never heard any of the officers-in-charge there use that motto. Even when we pledged the oath. Furthermore, i never have heard it meantioned in the media etc. And the school system is terrible becouse they dont know the eidsvoll motto? I can think of many reasons the system is terrible, but that isnt one of them. Thats just trivias compared to many of the other reasons that makes the school system "so terrible".--Heno 14:05, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I read your lines and noticed what you stated. I cannot explain how. If you are a Norwegian and more than 20 years old it is seen in my eyes unbelievable if you until now never have heard this oath. You should've been taught about it already in 3rd-4th grade in the primary/secondary school and repeated this several times before entering high school. Many memorials from World War II has this statement engraved, and I am 100% sure that most Norwegians are not in doubt that if Norway has a national motto, this is the only one! The King's motto would be much better suitable in His Majesty's article. Jakro64 17:16, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * "I read your lines and noticed what you stated. I cannot explain how." --Jakro64
 * I'll try to explain how. Even since the days when the King chose rather to abdicate (but he didnt he managed to escape to London), then to give in for the German aggressors demands he and the slogan "Alt for Norge" became a symbol of a free Norwegian nation. The very reason many norwegians chose to fight on was becouse of the kings zealous attitute towards the occupiers, dissregarding his own safety, gains and profits. The motto "alt for norge" was a bonding slogan, that reminded the norwegian people not only about the sacrifices the king made for his country, but for what sacrifices that was expected out of each and every one to make in those times of need.

 * Thats the reason i think, the kings motto is used much more frequently as a slogan than the Eidsvoll motto. The movie that celibrates 100 year of Norwegian independence which is scheduled to be realesed in 2005 isnt called "Evige og Tro til Dovre faller" but "Alt for Norge". To give one such example.

 * I have to stress one more time that the Eidsvoll motto is not an official National motto. And that is for a reason. It woud cast a shadow upon the kings motto which i think is recognized far more as a slogan than the Eidsvoll motto. --Heno 17:14, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Why are you still complaining? Now both mottos are listed, the people's and the king's. Let's end this now, please! Jakro64 05:35, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Norwegian-language newspapers in USA
Hello Jakro, good to hear from you! In response to your questions, no I don't believe there are any Norwegian-language newspapers left in the USA today. There are a few Norwegian-American publications today, but they are in English; there simply aren't enough people left in the USA who are fluent in Norwegian to make a newspaper economically feasible. Only a few of the oldest people are still fluent. I also don't know of any Norwegian-American groups that have websites in Norwegian, although there probably are some out there. The websites are mostly in English because they are trying to reach the several million Norwegian-Americans, 97% of whom are not fluent in Norwegian today. Sorry I can't be of more help here

In answer to your other question, if a Swedish-American man married a Norwegian-American woman, the child would probably consider himself both Swedish and Norwegian ancestry, or he might consider himself simply 'Scandinavian', as many of the Americans who are a mix of Danish, Swedish, and/or Norwegian do.

In fact, most Norwegian-Americans are similiar to this hypothetical child. Only about 2 million of the Norwegian-Americans are solely of Norwegian ancestry. The other 2.5 million are Norwegian ancestry in combination with something else, mostly in combination with other Scandinavians or German-Americans, who settled in the same places as the Norwegians (in fact, German-Americans and Scandinavian-Americans together make up about 80% of the white population in the Upper Midwest). Also, about half of the Norwegian-Americans who are not full Norwegian, about 1.2 million people, consider Norwegian to be their "first ancestry" in the US Census.

(you may ignore the below paragraph if you wish, as it is only an expression of my opinions)

What saddens me is that this convsersation we are having might be totally meaningless in, e.g., 100 years. By that time there are projected to be non-European majorities in many of the countries we are discussing, isn't that correct (Sweden especially, I hear)? So what will it mean to 'be a Norwegian' in the year 2100 AD? Due to immigration, will the concept of "being Norwegian" be totally meaningless by that time, beyond an empty expression of one's citizenship? What's even more troubling for me is that many in Scandinavia (and across Europe) keep quiet about these things because they don't want people to think they are racists. But in my view, there is nothing racist about wishing for the survival of your people and your nation.

Kind Regards, Bert Sveen

 * My reply is on my talk page. --BSveen 00:05, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

Bernt Balchen article: let's improve it big time!
Heh -- you too watched the NRK 1 TV documentary on Balchen tonight, I see (from Lithuania, or from X-Mas vacation in Norway? Oh well, none of my business, really). :-) I too will work a little on the Balchen article, probably will get more time to do it after new year's. Merry Christmas to you! --Wernher 00:55, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

and just a reminder: if answering this comment please do it right here, to keep the thread in one place; I'll check out this page from time to time

 * Thank you, Wernher! Yes, I did - I am watching NRK1/2 on satelitte. I will try to contribute as much as I can! Jakro64 19:12, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The answers
from talk: Lithuania

I think it is not a very good idea to spell Lithuanian names with Lithuanian alphabet. Not everybody has them installed, and they will therefore appear on the screen as empty boxes. Remember that in the English alphabet ą, ž and ū etc. do not excist. It is also not very smart to name a page e.g. "Tauragė" without making redirect from "Taurage"... Jakro64 01:01, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I partially agree with you. It isn't good, when one can't read in his computer a name with exotic letters. On other hand, we write an encyclopedia, so full information is necessary, including accurate written form of a name. The only question is proportion between using of true form and simplified for English reader one. When I wrote articles, I hadn't found a clear tradition for this case. But it was impossible to read main headings with Baltic script. So I almost forcedly decided, that main headings would be simplified and writing of a name in other cases would be original. At least it isn't a special question of Wikipedia or of Lithuanian letters, we deal with this problem generally in international communication, don't we?

 * Sure, but I wanted to focus on the redirect issue. 99% of English Wikipedia's readers don't even know the existence of letter ė :-) Jakro64 19:12, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

'Rajonas' is a municipality; like 'savivaldybe', so why to differ between them? A district sounds much bigger and can confuse a foreign reader. Jakro64 01:07, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * About the difference. there's surely no status difference between a district and a municipality. Municipalities are those, that were created after 1990. But nobody wanted to keep people at calling municipality what they used to call district, and these two variants remained this way.

 * About the translation. I could agree with you, that it were more clear to translate both with one word. But we deal with already existing translation. We deal as I've written, even with two variants, so municipality can appear in three variants in a translation from Lithuanian.

 * Sorry for late answers. :Linas 12:44, 2005 Jan 24 (UTC)

Asking for support
Hello, since you are interested in Lithuania I thought hat you might support our letter to Centre for Cartography, Vilnius University. We are asking to release their maps found at www.balticdata.info under GFDL licence so they could be used in articles about Lithuania. So far we got 14 people to "sign" it. The draft in very very rough English is available at user:Renata3/letter. If you decide to support it, I'll need just your first and last names together with your user name. You can leave it on my talk page or send it via email: just attact @gmail.com to my user name. Renata3 22:04, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Re: Milett
Hi Jan, I'm afraid I can't help you much with the etymology of the name. In Hungarian, the sentence you quoted is ortographically incorrect, although the typo is common and sometimes (especially online) even intentional. With the correct ortography, it reads "El tudom képzelni, mi lett volna még kátyú esetén", in which case it means approximately "I can imagine what would have happened if it had been muddy too". Or, more literally, "what would have been" – "mi" corresponds roughly to "what", "volna" to "would", and "lett" to "have been". As one word however, "milett" doesn't exist in Hungarian. Regards, KissL 14:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

re:me
Jan, just an off-subject thank you for the work you and your compatriots over at Borderpoint; I regularly read these, and have used discussion points and facts gleaned from there or links on Wikipedia. I hope to join when I eventually get a PC. A list of my edits (including work on exclaves/enclaves and territorial dispute articles) may be worth looking at; if you can help me with suggestions for additions to these articles, please do. Keep up the good work. RAYMI.
 * Thanks Raymi for your nice comment. ~Best regards, Jakro64 10:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, again, and info.
I have used some info from Tornio/Haparanda on geosite.jankrogh.com for use on 'List of Divided Islands' on Wikipedia. Have credited you (check edits). Incidentally there are TONS of enclaves in Traditional English county history (now pretty much irrelevant), and also a vast number of practical enclaves between modern 'counties'. I have added a few practical English/Scottish enclaves and English/Welsh enclaves in Wikipedia. England also has a disputed county quadripoint. Two other thoughts for you. Both Argentine and Chilean Antarctic Province (not officially recognized, of course), are, to their home nations, exactly that, PROVINCES. In their eyes, a continuation of the National territory, NOT an 'overseas territory'. Which would make them exclaves????? Secondly, if you do visit England at any point, and wish to visit any areas, let me know, and I will point you in the direction of a few areas of potential interest for Border Pointers. Maybe, as an island nation, the UK will not be as interesting as most European nations, but still has a few moments of border madness. RAYMI.80.68.39.212 13:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Solveig Gunbjörg Jacobsen vs. Solveig Gunbjørg Jacobsen
Dear Jan, I don't think that your 'correction' of Solveig's name is justified without citing any relevant source. The quoted Headland's book gives the name as 'Gunbjörg', and he is careful enough to distinguish between 'ö' and 'ø' in other Scandinavian names. Names are not 'corrected', they are spelled as they are and not modernized post factum. Therefore, it is my opinion that you ought to either cite a source demonstrating that the name was actually spelled with 'ø' or revert to the original name of the article. Apcbg (talk) 15:05, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * In the Nordic countries the letter Ö is used in Iceland, Sweden and Finland while Ø is used in Denmark, Faroe Isl. and Norway. If Gunbjørg was or is a Norwegian citizen her name should be spelled with an Ø, no matter if she or her parents themselves spelled it otherwise, where or when she was born. Jakro64 (talk) 22:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Your reasoning is OR I'm afraid, and unconvincing at that as you haven't even sourced your statement that Gunbjörg was a Norwegian citizen. Apcbg (talk) 06:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, but I am not following you. I did not write the Solveig Gunbjørg Jacobsen article where her father and mother are mentioned and which is categorized as a 'Norwegian people stub'. Grytviken was Norwegian run and Mr Jacobsen is in this article mentioned as one of its managers. He appears therefore as a Norwegian citizen and any daughter of a Norwegian father would therefore also become a Norwegian citizen by birth. This is no "research", simply a conclusion. Jakro64 (talk) 07:37, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello
I found this source but i can't read Lithuanian and i noticed that you can. I was wondering if you would please translate it into English please? Ijanderson977 (talk) 16:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * In short: The parliament of Lithuania taking in consideration Kovovo's independance declaration of 17th Feb, statement from the President of Lithuania of 18 Feb and statements from the European Union of 18 Feb declares: 1. to recognize Kosovo as an independent republic and 2. that it reccomends the Government of Lithuania to exchange diplomatic relations with Kosovo. Jakro64 (talk) 11:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikimania 2010 could be coming to Stockholm!
I'm leaving you a note as you may be interested in this opportunity.

People from all six Nordic Wiki-communities (sv, no, nn, fi, da and is) are coordinating a bid for Wikimania 2010 in Stockholm. I'm sending you a message to let you know that this is occurring, and over the next few months we're looking for community support to make sure this happens! See the bid page on meta and if you like such an idea, please sign the "supporters" list at the bottom. Tack (or takk), and have a wonderful day! Mike H. Fierce! 07:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
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Edinburgh
Why is Edinburgh not listed 88.106.197.180 (talk) 22:49, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

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The Galileo Seven

"The Galileo Seven" is the sixteenth episode of the first season of the American science fiction television series Star Trek. Written by Oliver Crawford and directed by Robert Gist, it first aired on January 5, 1967.

In the episode, First Officer Spock leads a scientific team from the Enterprise aboard the shuttlecraft Galileo on an ill-fated mission, facing tough decisions when the shuttle crashes on a planet populated by aggressive giants.

It's inspired by the film Five Came Back.

Plot
The USS Enterprise, under the command of Captain Kirk, is en route to Makus III to deliver medical supplies destined for the New Paris Colony. The ship passes close to a quasar-like formation identified as Murasaki 312, which Kirk's standing orders require him to study. Kirk sends a science team composed of Science Officer Spock, Chief Medical Officer Dr. McCoy, Chief Engineer Scott, Yeoman Mears, and three other specialists (Latimer, Gaetano, and Boma) in the shuttlecraft, Galileo, to investigate the formation. Soon after launch, the shuttle is pulled off course. Spock makes an emergency landing on the planet Taurus II, a rocky, fog-shrouded world in the middle of the Murasaki phenomenon.

Crewmembers Latimer and Gaetano scout the area, eventually encountering Taurus II's native inhabitants: giant ape-like creatures armed with enormous spears and shields. Latimer is killed by a spear, and Gaetano drives off the creatures with phaser fire. The crew retreat to the Galileo, only to discover that the creatures seem to be preparing for an organized attack. Despite objections from the others, Spock chooses to attempt to frighten the creatures rather than killing them outright. This proves to be a miscalculation, and Gaetano is killed.

Meanwhile, Kirk searches for the shuttle, despite concerns from Commissioner Ferris, who is impatient to start for Makus III. Because of sensor interference, the shuttlecraft Columbus is dispatched to search the planet from orbit, and search parties are transported to the surface. One of the landing parties returns with casualties and reports being attacked by the large, furry creatures.

Between boulder-throwing attacks by the primitive giants and quarrels amongst themselves, the crew attempt to make repairs on the shuttle. As most of their conventional fuel has been lost, Mr. Scott adapts the landing party's phasers to power the ship. His repairs are eventually successful, but Boma will not leave without giving Gaetano and Latimer a proper burial. When Spock advises against it, Boma becomes insubordinate, to which Spock responds by allowing him the funeral. During the ceremony, the creatures attack again, and Spock is pinned by a boulder. Despite Spock's orders to leave him, McCoy and Boma free him. Spock then manages to get the Galileo off the ground by using the shuttle's boosters. As a result, the shuttle now has too little fuel to escape the planet's gravity or even to achieve a stable orbit, and there is still no way to contact the Enterprise. Spock suddenly decides to dump and ignite all the remaining fuel from the shuttle's engines. The giant flare he produces is seen on the Enterprise view screen just as the ship has left orbit. Kirk reverses course, and the survivors are beamed out just as the shuttle is destroyed on re-entry.

Back on board the Enterprise, Kirk questions Spock, trying to get him to admit that his final action was motivated more by emotion than logic. Spock refuses but freely admits to stubbornness, at which the rest of the crew burst into laughter.

Reception
Zack Handlen of The A.V. Club gave the episode a 'B' rating, noting that it "raises some interesting issues" but described it overall as watching a "fixed fight".

The Hollywood Reporter ranked "The Galileo Seven" as the 67th greatest Star Trek franchise episode in 2016, including episodes in later series. They also ranked this episode as the 19th best episode of the original series. In 2016, Business Insider ranked "The Galileo Seven" the 9th best episode of the original series.

Io9's 2014 listing of the top 100 Star Trek episodes placed "The Galileo Seven" as the 36th best episode of all series up to that time, out of over 700 episodes.

In 2015, SyFy ranked this episode as one of the top ten essential Star Trek original series Spock episodes.

In 2017, Business Insider ranked "The Galileo Seven" the 9th best episode of the original series. They note this is the first Star Trek episode to include a shuttlecraft.

In 2018, Collider ranked this episode the 15th best original series episode.

In 2018, PopMatters ranked this the 17th best episode of the original series.

A 2018 Star Trek binge-watching guide by Den of Geek, recommended this episode for featuring the trio of characters Kirk, Spock, and Bones of the original series.

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