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WWII
I've been doing some thinking, and the result of my thinking is confusion: In terms of greater WWII history, the bombing of darwin and the mini-subs in sydney harbour are unimportant (i mean its hardly in the same league as dresden or nagasaki or whatever) and so not deserving of its own article, however in terms of Australian history it is very important (being the only time that the commonwealth of Australia has ever been attacked, or had any serious threat of invasion) and so it does deserve its own article. So what to do? any thoughts? i had the one idea of creating a page seperate from WWII called australia's involvement in WWII, but that then doesnt really focus on what i was just talking about so i dunno. Any more experienced wikipedians care to comment? The bellman 09:10, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I think that these were all extremely important to Australians, and as such each should have their own articles written about these events. I don't think its wise to compare the relative importance of these events to Nagasaki and the D-Day landing. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:09, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Firstly, what coverage do they have in the broader war articles? They need coverage in Sydney, Darwin, Broome and Townsville's respective articles, and Australian military history (which we don't have, but would be nice, as it'd fit in as part of a global series of national military history articles - as well as the broader war articles. The other thing which might help here I think is what I've been talking about doing with History of Australia.

 * I've only looked at the Darwin and WWII(pacific) articles, but they each only have one sentence each, which is perhaps appropriate for WWII, but seems very lacking for darwin. I'll try and fix Darwin up soon The bellman 12:10, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * At the moment, it's only broken up into two articles - before 1901 and after 1901. I think we could have at least ten - the same number we have for the United States. This would enable us to have an article on, say, 1930-1950, or an even shorter period, which would inevitably focus largely on WWII. Ambi 10:00, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * i like the sound of this, even though it means a lot of work. The bellman 12:10, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Any other thoughts about splitting up the history pages like this? Ambi 12:55, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I question whether trying for so many chronological divisions is making a rod for our own back. Overview articles are by far the hardest things to write in Wikipedia, and the longer the overview, the harder it gets.  I personally think that detail is probably better placed in articles on more specific areas, for instance, in articles on gold rushes, or specific geographical areas like histories of specific cities and towns.

 * If you did wish to subdivide Australian history further, might I suggest that some suitable points to subdivide on: 1788 (first white settlement of note), 1851 (discovery of gold), 1901 (federation), 1945 (end of WWII), and maybe 1970 (end of the Menzian snooze). I'm not convinced any more divisions would be helpful at this point.--Robert Merkel 01:24, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * For now, I think you're quite right. For the most part, they'd be good places to split it up. I don't like having the 1901 split though, because that tends to cut the whole federation thing in half. Perhaps 1905? Ambi 04:25, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Amanda Vanstone
I have rewritten Amanda Vanstone. She needs a photo. Adam 15:09, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks - it's been on my to-do list for a while. Are we officially not using AUSPIC images anymore? Ambi 01:35, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Auspic have twice told me on the phone that the images from the aph.gov.au website can be reproduced for non-commercial purposes, but they have not confirmed this in writing as I asked, so I am not using them for now. Also I have taken an oath not to upload any photos except those I took myself, because I am sick of arging with copyright-fetishists. In any case the Senate ones are very poor. Adam 02:17, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * This is a bit of a point of contention between Adam and myself (I'm the copyright-fetishist he's referring to I believe), because when I contacted the MIS services who look after the aph.gov.au site they told me that I need permission to reproduce material. Incidently (and for the record), I hate Australian copyright! - Ta bu shi da yu 10:35, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * However, AUSPIC *= aph.gov.au, which is where the conundrum lies. While you need specific permission to copy from the latter, they get their pictures from AUSPIC, who appear to be different. That said, as AUSPIC's license is noncommercial anyway, and because they haven't confirmed this in writing, I agree that we should stay away from them in future. As Adam notes, the quality of the Senate pictures (all the lower house MPs being done) is pretty terrible for some reason.

 * As to solving this...how about contacting Vanstone's office? Ambi 10:39, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Organisation of articles
Ive been doing some thinking (dangerous i know) and have decided that a lot of my posts recently have been about the correct way to organise articles. ie. when should an article be a self standing article, and when should it be a sub-section of another article, for example should the bombing of darwin be a seperate article or just a part of the articles WWII(pacific), darwin, Australian history, Australian military history, and japanese military history. The same thing with the fuzzy-wuzzys i am not sure if they deserve thier own article or not. SO, does anyone know if there is a wikipedia style page discussing how things should be organised/catogorised etc.? i apoligise for my stupid newbie questions. The bellman 02:11, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I'd be inclined to wonder if there's enough information for a seperate article on the bombings - IMO, it'd probably be better off as a section somewhere. And with the fuzzy-wuzzys - if this was placed into another article, then we eliminate the naming issues. Oh, and there is a Wikipedia style page for discussing these things - here! :) Ambi 02:18, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Archiving this page!
Out of interest, when are we going to start archiving this page? It's getting kind of large! - Ta bu shi da yu 03:12, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Today. ;) Ambi 03:26, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Excellent :-) Ta bu shi da yu 10:24, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * In order to keep this page down, I think it'd be better if we went about moving topics as they become dead/irrelevant, rather than archiving the whole lot every so often. Thoughts? Ambi
 * I think the only feasible way is to keep an eye on the topics. For instance, there is a question asked in the images section by someone (still gotta reply that actually) and so we should keep this topic. Maybe this means nominating an archivist? - Ta bu shi da yu 10:32, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Wikiproject Sydney strategy
OK, I've come up with some suggested strategies for the Sydney Wikiproject. Would anyone care to comment or modify anything? I'm actively encouraging people to, actually. - Ta bu shi da yu 10:26, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks and and ive modified it; also while we have a section about wikiproject sydney, i may as well hijack it and change the subject. There was talk b4 about a national get together, which may well have been premature, however, then there was talk of city-wide get togethers which may also have been premature. SO, i am proposing as a step on the way toward a city-wide get together (which is a step toward a national get together, which is a step toward creating an australian wikipedia chapter, which is a step toward world domination :P ) anyone who is interested in doing some research on next weeks ACOTW (which i believe we agreed would be Victor Chang) meet at the Sydney state library for that reason some time next week. I know that Ta bu shi da yu went for last weeks collaboration, and (I THINK) was interested in going again this week, and i am interested in going, and i hope that maybe some other sydneysiders would like to come, and that we could make this a weekly get together of sorts. And i suggest that if this is sucsessful others try to set up similar get togethers at thier state (or in camberra's case national, and in darwin's case teritorial) libraries. And for the people who dont live in big cities....  well, um...   i've got nothin'.... The bellman 12:52, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I've got a wedding on, more's the pity (well, not for my friend... but you know) :( And on Sundays I'm committed to a few things! Maybe the week after? - Ta bu shi da yu 13:07, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Cool, unless anyone else is interested ill probably just go tot the local library then. Oh well, maybe someother time. The bellman 10:32, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

To do list above
Can we set a limit on the number of items in the mini-to do list? Cause everytime someone adds another article to expand, someone needs to add more to the other columns to keep it balanced and looking pretty. That someone may or may not be me. But I think it's usefulness is limited the bigger it gets. Let's focus on one small batch and keep the rest at the Complete list. It'll also let us use the template in other places, like new Aussie wikipedians talk pages as a welcome, and the like. I would say let's make it a little smaller, maybe 15 items per column - 15 to create, 30 to expand, however many reviews/images fit. Just a suggestion for a smoother ride. T.P.K. 16:27, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I agree. How about cutting it back to 10 that need creating, and 10 that need work? Ambi 00:05, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Ok, but how do we decide? - Ta bu shi da yu 00:08, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * How about cutting Fuzzy-wuzzy (as it appears this won't be created anymore), John Wamsley (I'll go create this myself later - too insignificant) Bert Newton (going to be ACOTW soon), 1989 Newcastle earthquake (natural disaster overload), 2003 Canberra bushfires (more natural disaster overload), Waterfall train disaster (other disaster overload), Woomera Detention Centre (perhaps leave only one refugee topic up there - we've already got Pacific Solution)

 * ...and for the improve section, cutting all but Australian Record Industry Association, Conservation in Australia, Dick Smith, Dorothea Mackellar, Goods and Services Tax (Australia), Kerry Packer, Lake Burley Griffin and Snowy Mountains Scheme. Most of these appear to be the worst stubs on the list, with the exception of the Snowy Mountains Scheme, which, while not a stub, needs a heck of a lot of work. Ambi 04:12, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I also think it might be better to list existing and nonexisting articles together in the complete list, that is, not under To create and To expand headings, which look pretty messy in hindsight. It's obvious which articles need expanding and which need creating thanks to redlinks. If no one is a die-hard fan of the current setup, I'll go change it... again. T.P.K. 12:50, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

City locator maps
Articles on Australian cities are really missing decent quality locator maps. None of the capital cities have them, last time I checked (except for Melbourne which has one in conjunction with an area map). As an example, one of the best ones we have is this one for Rockhampton - no disrespect to the user that created it, but it is quite average. I've used User:Tim Starling's state locator maps (visible on each state's page) to make city locator maps. Just wanted to get some consensus on what layout and style people liked the best? I've put some examples up on my page at User:Chuq/Maps/Australia -- Chuq 03:57, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Excellent. Which ones were you planning on using? Just one of them? Ambi 04:04, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Yeah, just one - not sure which one is best. I've added a new map up there Image:Australia map.png - also look at User:Chuq/Maps/Tasmania for some other layouts that I have used, that could be applied to the Australian city maps easily. -- Chuq

 * Update - some new state locator maps on that page -- Chuq 09:06, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * On viewing these on a different machine, they appear a bit too light. Can someone check and see if it is just me? -- Chuq 00:17, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

"'Year' in Australia" and "'Year' incumbents" pages
I've started creating these, following the example of the Canadians, which I think works really well (2004 in Canada and 2004 Canadian incumbents). I've only created 2004 in Australia and 2004 Australian incumbents so far, but any help in filling the gaps and adding other years would be much appreciated. Ambi 04:17, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I think these articles are a great idea, but I notice 2004 in Australian politics and 2004 in Australian culture are linked, but non-existant - I'm hesitant to think there is any need for these articles. Surely everything newsworthy in Australia in 2004 could be written (or summarised, eg Jakarta, election, etc) in 32kb?  (It may be possible to fit incumbents into this page as well, but they aren't out of place on their own page) -- Chuq 11:09, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I think we definitely need a seperate incumbents page - it's quite long on its own, and 2004 in Canada is already well over 32kb. As to the politics and culture articles - I copied them from the Canadian one. I don't think they're a bad idea, but they haven't been created over there anything. So they might be worth removing, as long as there's something else to put in the sidebar (the Canadian one also has a couple of sport-related links). Ambi 11:54, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Australian biographies
I've just found a great resource for Australian biographies: The Dictionary of Australian Biography, at Project Gutenberg Australia. Note that while it is public domain in Australia (for now, let's see what happens with the FTA implementation), it is not public domain as far as American law is concerned, so it can't be copied verbatim into the Wikipedia, nor can the images be used. However, it does look like a very useful, convenient source, if one to be supplemented by checking more modern scholarship. --Robert Merkel 08:10, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Another great resource, specificaly for bios of females is this from Women Australia (funded be the fed gov).

This book should not be confused with the Australian Dictionary of Biography (ADB), which is the standard reference work for Australian biography. Serle's work was a personal one and his judgements should not be taken as fact unless checked against the ADB or another reputable source. Adam 08:17, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Ah, thanks for the tip Adam, I'll remember this! Will come in handy when researching Strathfield. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:30, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Moved from similar topic below

http://gutenberg.net.au/ - Was anyone aware of the existence of this? Bio's of many Australian explorers, politicians, artists and others. All public domain text! -- Chuq 05:25, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Remember, however, that this is probably not public domain in the US, which means that I doubt we can directly copy it here. However, it's certainly good source material. Ambi 09:05, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Is it just a matter of finding the date-of-death of the author, or are there further wrinkles of difference between Australian and US law? —Stormie 23:00, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * IANAL, though there's no others that I know of - it's just the date of death. Ambi 23:16, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I'd actually pointed this out earlier on this page. As I intimated and Adam Carr (resident know-it-all on Australian history) explained in more detail, it's a useful resource but don't take it as gospel. --Robert Merkel 03:03, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Oops - and I thought I read every single edit made to this page! Apologies... moving this up to that section now... -- Chuq 07:28, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The Australian Academy of Science has a lot of very good (and long) biographies on Australian scientists. Text is copyrighted, but its a good starting source--nixie 13:31, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Checklist of Australian biographical articles
Lists themselves moved to. Ambi 09:26, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Comments
i added the sport section (however i dont know anything about sport so couldnt add many sportspeople. I think the Other section should be broken up a little, ie. science, politics, exploration, celebraty, milatary. The bellman 10:29, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * There is something similar here
 * Is anyone going to mind if each of these is moved to a subpage of the complete to-do list, as I've already done with footballers and judges? Ambi 10:58, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * These should either be moved as Ambi suggests, or at least transferred above the 'archive line' on this page.--ZZ 13:58, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I actually intended the Checklist to be a list of articles we don't have, but now it is expanding into a List of Australian biographical articles. In that case it ought to be put somewhere else and organised more logically. Adam 14:13, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Why not just move the done ones to List of Australians, and the red-links to a subpage? Ambi 23:40, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

We should have two lists here: articles which need writing, and articles which need improving. Adam 02:38, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Go the doggies!
Woohoo! The Bulldogs won! Now, do we have an article about them? - Ta bu shi da yu 11:20, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I suspect that our NRL content is going to make our AFL content look good. Edit: Actually, Canterbury Bulldogs isn't too bad, although sections of it suffer from the interminably bad writing that our AFL articles also suffer from. Ambi 12:04, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I might be able to convince my brother to look into fleshing out the info on this one. Having an article on the Bulldogs might actually be the thing we need to get more people involved in Wikipedia! After all, we are nothing if not passionate about our sport. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:38, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Past Parliaments
I'd like to start making up pages on each past parliament, which might encourage people to create pages for some of the retired figures. Which naming convention would you people prefer - the Canadian one (37th Canadian parliament) or the British one (MPs elected in the UK general election, 1987)? I personally like the former, but I thought I'd put it up for discussion before I started creating them. Ambi 12:12, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Weren't you using the term incumbent, or is that subtly diiferent from elected parliament? I think I'd prefer Canadian nomenclature out of those two options. That way there's no argument about including people appointed outside that year (though I'm not sure how common that is), but still part of that parliamentary edition.--ZZ 12:20, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * The incumbents page doesn't refer to parliamentarians so much as the PM, Deputy PM, Cabinet members, Premiers, State Governors, High Court Justices, and Lord Mayors for that particular year. This, on the other hand, will just be a list of the parliamentarians (i.e. List of members of the Australian House of Representatives, but for past years). Ambi 12:35, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

There are complete lists of Australian federal MPs and Senators at my website, here, here and here. You are welcome to copy and wikify them. Adam 13:00, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Adam, you are a legend :-) I was wondering how we were going to do this... Will try to do something with this excellent information soon. Ta bu shi da yu 13:41, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I second that. I'll try and get to this next. Ambi 13:47, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Oh, I knew there was something else. How should we handle the Senate with these? Ambi 00:10, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * By "how should we handle" you mean should we specify 6 year terms, and list senators elected for those 6 years, or list (say) a senator elected in 1998 in both "1998-2001" and "2001-2004" parliaments? Chuq 05:31, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm just unsure as to whether to have them on the same page (long), or if they're split up, what to name them as. Ambi 06:01, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Any ideas, anyone? Ambi 21:04, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

If you are interested in using the Canadian pages as a model please note that the format used in the 37th Canadian parliament has been replaced by that used at the 34th Canadian parliament. - SimonP 20:02, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Ambi 21:04, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Voter's Guide at Wikibooks
Hello Aussies. I'm making a Voter's Guide project over at Wikibooks. I'm an American and am focusing on getting some stuff ready for the US midterms in 2006 (I'm assuming the upcoming election is too soon to accomplish much) and I see on current events that an Australian election will be occurring in about two months. If anybody is interested, I am creating some US framework now, which can be used/adapted for Australian elections as appropriate. Tuf-Kat 01:13, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * Oops, it has been brought to my attention that I should study my months, as current events indicates that the upcoming Australian elections are significantly less than two months away, contrary to my original, bizarre reading. In any event, there will likely be another one, so the invitation still stands. Tuf-Kat 01:28, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * Next weekend last I checked (otherwise I'm gonna look awful embarrased showing up to non-existent booths). But thanks for the offer & invitation.--ZZ 02:45, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * October 9, for the record. The Wikibook sounds like a good idea, I've been wanting to investigate the whole site but been a little lost. T.P.K. 06:10, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * There's not a whole lot of organization at the moment. It can be frustrating, but Wikipedia was once that way too. Tuf-Kat 06:19, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)

Checklist of Members of the House of Representatives 1901-2004
There will be some problems with this checklist: Adam 03:41, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Some people will appear twice, since they served in both the House and the Senate
 * Some names will appear twice because two MPs had the same name (eg the two Kim Beazleys). You will need to check at my website to figure out who these were.
 * Some names appear under different forms to those in articles, eg Bob Hawke appears as Robert Hawke
 * Some MPs and Senators will need to be disambiguated from other people of the same name.

 * Wonderful. Thank you, Adam. For brevity, I've moved these to a subpage. Now, sorting time...Ambi 03:52, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Religious leaders
It'd be much appreciated if someone could fill in the religious leaders section of 2004 Australian incumbents. It's not really my sort of thing, so I'm not sure where to start. Ambi 06:29, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Adam was able to chip in with the Catholic ones, and some of the Anglicans, which is handy, but I'd really appreciate some assistance with the leaders of some of the other religions - I've got no idea where to start with the Jewish and Muslim leaders, for instance. Ambi 09:25, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Done some quick webseraching. Pulled up Canberra Islamic Center but haven't been able to explore it properly as yet.--ZZ 12:39, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The problem is that neither Islam nor Judaism are hierarchical religions like Christianity, and do not have recognised national "leaders" like Archbishops. Sheikh Taj El-Din Hilaly, Imam of the Lakemba Mosque in Sydney styles himself Grand Mufti of Australia, but has no right to do so and is not recognised by Victorian Imams. Adam 13:00, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Ah, good to know. Thanks, Adam. Ambi 13:03, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Jack Lang
Anyone have any ideas for a picture of Jack Lang? I just found this little gem while formatting Adam's links, and it looks like its nearly ready for featured status. Ambi 10:09, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Needs a picture, and should their be a bulleted list of achievements? - Ta bu shi da yu 01:34, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I just asked for a picture. ;) The bulleted list I can take care of. Ambi 07:22, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I sent an email to monash uni requesting copyright info on a pic of lang on thier site, hopefully they will be willing to let us use it. i await thier response. The bellman 11:25, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * If you get permission, can you keep the emails and paste them into the image page? Kind of like I did with the Cyclone Tracy image. This would be helpful. - Ta bu shi da yu 12:12, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Setting up an Australian Wikimedia chapter?
I get the impression that there is a sufficient level of interest in setting up an Australian Wikimedia chapter, so I'm keen to seriously look into what's required.

If I recall correctly, becoming a proper incorporated body will cost a couple of hundred dollars; not quite trivial, but not a huge expense either. We'd have to write and approve a constitution, appoint initial office bearers, and so on.

Initially, this would allow us a more convenient method to raise funds locally; in the longer term, it would serve as an official body we could use to apply for Australian grants, act as a good contact point for the Australian media, set up our own servers (for instance, sooner or later I expect Mediawiki will support distributed content cacheing). Not to mention it would be a good body to organise non-virtual get-togethers and suchlike!

What do you all think? Has anybody set up an association like this before? --Robert Merkel 01:15, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

(these are just my sugestions, i suppose other ppl will have other ideas) The bellman 13:33, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm certainly interested, but once it comes down to the nitty gritty legal details I don't think I would have the time, I spend more time mucking about on here than I should! I would be willing to do routine things like paying membership fees and putting my names on lists of signatures, or whatever is needed in that regard, but I don't even have time to participate at my local LUG, and I'm notably lazy when I'm not at a keyboard :P  I *would* be potentionally interested in a Melbourne based meetup though, given it was on a weekend and I had a few weeks notice! -- Chuq 05:02, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I think it'd be an excellent idea, but it would require someone with the appropriate knowledge being willing to do the groundwork. Oh, and another advantage of doing this is that we may be able to (like in the US) secure tax-deductible status. Ambi 07:22, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I dont think that we are quite up to it yet, but i do think that it would be a good thing to work towards. I think we need a couple of things to happen first though:
 * 1) get more aussies involved in this notice board, and possibly try to broaden collaboration to include some topics that arent wholly australian.
 * 2) An irc channel for aussie wikipedians so we can collaborate in real time, and what not.
 * 3) real world get togethers in the capital cities.
 * 4) involment by australians in more aspects of wikimedia (ie. wikitionary, wikibooks, aswell as general tech, funraising, organisation etc.)

Meet up
From Meet up: Jimbo suggested that wikipedians make an effort to meet each other. He and Larry Sanger used to have bitter Usenet exchanges and when they met in person they became friends; so maybe a wikipedia meetup would help the sense of community. This page should help Wikipedians organise meetings. The bellman 07:39, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

COTW
Well, as of today, our first article, Cyclone Tracy is now a featured article. Thank you to those who helped work on it. It's a shame that we haven't seemed to get very far with our next one. Any contributions over at Victor Chang would be much appreciated. Ambi 08:06, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * For the record, I've extended this week's COTW to next Thursday. I think we need to find sources of information! Part of the problem is there's more info on Cyclone Tracy than there is on Victor Chang. - Ta bu shi da yu 09:13, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Why thursday? Maybe it should be ACOTF (ie. collaboration of the fortnight). The bellman 11:07, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Shouldn't be necessary, as long as we pick our topics wisely. Cyclone Tracy showed that we could do something decent in a week - we're just being hampered by a lack of information and time with this particular one. Ambi 02:24, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Politicians
If anyone's in need of a project, I've now finished formatting, wikifying, disambiguating and sorting the House of Representatives section of Adam's list at Australian wikipedians' notice board/Complete to-do/Politicians. There's now a complete list of every past or present member of the House of Representatives that we don't currently have an article on. There's also quite a few important names there. Once again, any help would be appreciated. Ambi 08:38, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

First proper featured suburb has arrived for Sydney WikiProject
Guys (and girls) - you have got to check out Summer Hill. I do believe it's our first featured suburb. Our user Nickj has done some tremendous work on this, and really pulled off a fantastic article. Feel free to leave a message of encouragement on his talk page, and please stop by his page to admire his bright shiny new barnstar! - Ta bu shi da yu 13:42, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Glorious stuff! Should it be at Summer Hill or Summer Hill, New South Wales though? :-) —Stormie 23:32, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)

 * There is a suburb of Launceston named Summerhill (no article yet though) so the full name may be best :) Chuq 00:36, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Done. - Ta bu shi da yu 04:26, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Some criticism: characteristics needs to be filled out more and there needs to be movement from dot-points to continuous prose. Good work though - Aaron Hill 02:34, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)

 * Looks great. Any chance of an article on better-known suburbs like Camelia, Macdonaldtown and Silverwater? ;) One Salient Oversight 03:05, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * That's what we're hoping for! - Ta bu shi da yu 09:32, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Project Gutenberg of Australia
Moved to Australian_wikipedians'_notice_board

Mayors and Lord Mayors
Would anyone be able to track down lists of Mayors and Lord Mayors for Brisbane, Darwin, Perth, Adelaide and Hobart? We've now got Melbourne and Sydney, but I'm having a lot of trouble tracking down any of the others. Ambi 03:22, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Interestingly enough, I was looking for the Hobart ones yesterday. No luck at all.  I don't even know any names apart from the current one Rob Valentine - hey, I've only lived here for 2 years!  A google search found me some pics and names of previous ones but no dates.  I'll check with the council -- Chuq 07:23, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. I think we'll have to do the same with the other capitals. Ambi 07:36, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I had a hunt for Brisbane Lord Mayors:William Jolly, 1924/5- ?, John  Green, ?, Alfred Jones, ?, Sir John Chandler (1887-1952), 1940-1952, Sir Reginald Groom, ?, ? ,Dr Clem Jones, 1961-1975, Frank Sleeman (1915-2000), 1976 – 1982 Roy Harvey, 1982-1985 Sallyanne Atkinson, 1985-1991 Jim Sorley,1991-2003, Tim Quinn, 2003-2004, Campbell Newman, 2004-current. Interestingly Sallyanne and Campbell are the only Liberal Mayors. Brisbane City Council should be able to fill in the blanks--nixie 23:42, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks! From that, I'll be able to create some sort of Brisbane article, and the earlier ones can be filled in at a later date. Ambi 01:43, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Australian Fauna
I've decided to put some hard yards into Australian fauna. Anyone who has information or comments on the general page structure can chime in on my Talk Page. Also I think List of Australian birds needs some work/fixing - see my comments in its discussion.--ZZ 06:23, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Another election has come and gone
Still the same crummy bastards in power. - Ta bu shi da yu 12:32, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Time to start working on Canadian wikipedians' notice board. Might take a while to save up the airfare though. Ambi 12:39, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * What, not the New Zealand wikipedians' notice board? —Stormie 02:32, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * I want to cry (but I'm not British). Although if my plan pans out, I should be able to escape to Japan next year.--ZZ 12:56, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I spent 15 hours today warking at a polling booth, and quite frankly, i am amazed that democracy works as well as it does with such idiots for voters. As for four more years of the same; I really want to go get smashed to drown my sorrows. The bellman 13:15, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * My mother helped sort votes this evening. Somebody had a senate ballot which had a big asterix in the Greens' box, and a note down the bottom saying "Up yours [the candidate's name]". I just hope Family First doesn't win anything. Gotta say my first election wasn't that enthrilling.--ZZ 13:25, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * It looks like Family First will, but not the party leader in South Australia - instead in Victoria? What the hell? And this is despite the Greens outpolling them by a ratio of four to one in Victoria. And it looks like said guy will have control of the Senate. I did get smashed last night. We're stuffed. Ambi 21:23, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I am *not* looking forward to having to revising the Australian political articles. How does one write "Howard lied his way to another term of office" in an NPOV manner? :( (User:Robert Merkel forgot to sign)
 * There's probably not that many we'll have to revise, but we'll need to start getting ones on the new members. Assuming that the articles on the retiring MPs are already up to date, Trish Worth, Michael Organ, Ross Cameron, Larry Anthony, Christian Zahra and Con Sciacca may need updating - though some of them haven't yet conceded defeat. I've done Michelle O'Byrne and Sid Sidebottom already. In the Senate, John Cherry, Aden Ridgeway, Brian Greig, Meg Lees and Jacinta Collins all need the same. Len Harris is already updated. The article on the election needs a lot of work, as it's still all about what might happen.

 * Now, to the (probably) newly elected. Michael Ferguson, Kate Ellis, Sharon Bird, Steve Georganas, Julie Owens, Justine Elliot, Ross Vasta, Mark Baker, Louise Markus, Stuart Henry, Michael Keenan, Andrew Murfin (maybe) and David Fawcett. The Senate I don't have candidate lists for, but Michael Ronaldson, Christine Milne, Connie Ferravanti-Wells, Fiona Nash, Anne McEwen and Annette Hurley, Helen Polley, Stephen Parry, Judith Adams and Glenn Sterle would all appear to be in. Ambi 01:43, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Looks like Liberals might have a senate majority too - now we're even more rooted! -- Chuq 01:50, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I left Australia so I wouldn't have to look at Gladys and wonder whether he was ever going to remove the pickaxe from his buttocks that his expression seems to indicate has been there since his university days. I'm going to have to stay away longer it seems.  --Roisterer 02:26, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Did you really leave Australia because of this? - Ta bu shi da yu 03:37, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, when I was offered a job in The Land of the Long White Rain Producing Cloud, one of the first things that entered my mind was "there will be less chance of switching on the news in NZ and seeing Downer". --Roisterer 08:08, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Just to clarify my comment of last night. I dont really think that all voters are idiots, just that there is so much apathy in the electorate. Out of the THREE THOUSAND ballots cast in the senate in my booth, only TWENTY were under the line. Two of these were donkey votes, and another three came from myself and members of my family (who wouldnt normally have voted in this booth other than the fact i was working in it). That for people who normaly voted in that booth, only FIFTEEN serious below the line senate papers were filled in out of THREE THOUSAND.

I still feel completely numb and raw and completely disempowered from howards victory. I feel like just completely ignoring all things political and just burying my head in the sand. God help us if family first gets a seat. The bellman 10:00, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Short of some kind of miracle, the bastards will get in in Victoria, on Democrat preferences, which no one predicted. So it looks like they may well end up with the balance of power - or else the Libs will get a majority. So we're doubly screwed. I voted above the line this time. I trust the Greens enough. Ambi 10:10, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Funnily enough, I came so close to voting above the line for the first time in my life, and the one reason I didn't was that I was voting Green, but wanted to put the Democrats below Labor to punish them for their despicable deal with Family First. I'm glad I did. —Stormie 10:17, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * 47 below the line, and the AEC didn't even tell me who they all were - well, not like 1 vote ever made a difference. Alphax 11:09, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)

Gosh, who says Wikipedians have a left-wing bias? I also spent 14 hours on a polling booth (not to mention six weeks in a campaign office), and am now feeling pretty sad, though not really surprised. I think our election coverage has actually been pretty good so far. Adam 15:05, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * It's ironic really. I've turned to the left, after being fairly right-wing for a while. I guess I just saw the light. The ironic bit is that now the rest of Australia has turned to the right. *sigh* - Ta bu shi da yu 12:49, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

For those of you who despair of our electoral system, check out Demarchy. It is an alternative form of democracy that doesn't require elections or political parties. And it was invented by an Australian. One Salient Oversight 06:18, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Order of precedence
Can someone knowledgable verify if this edit correct or not? (Addition of Elizabeth II?) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Australian_order_of_precedence&curid=302715&diff=0&oldid=0  -- Chuq 01:50, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't know if I'm knowledgable. But school taught us the Queen was tops. Its not like she actually does anything, but technically she's tops.--ZayZayEM 11:49, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, I know that The Queen is a Top Aussie, but I'm not sure if she belongs on that page. Then again I'm a republican so I'm biased :P -- Chuq 14:06, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, Liz is still top of the tree. Orders of precedence are only for formal occasions anyway... - Aaron Hill 11:19, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * How come William Deane opened the 2000 Summer Olympics? An exception to the rule? -- Chuq 11:33, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Was the Queen here for the Olympics? —Stormie 11:42, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * I would hope she had a damn good excuse if she didn't turn up :P -- Chuq 12:28, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * If i remember correctly, she WAS meant to open it, but little johnny wanted to open it himself, but there was a big outcry about it, so it was agreed that the GG would do it becuase he was niether a filthy pom (like the queen) or a filthy git (like the PM).


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Kyushu Hikoki

The Kyūshū Hikōki K.K. (九州飛行機) was a Japanese manufacturer of military aircraft during World War II. While it mainly manufactured other firms' designs, it was notable for the radical J7W "Shinden" fighter. Named after Kyushu island where the company was based.

The company originated from Fukuoka-based Watanabe Tekkōjo (Watanabe Steel Foundry), which started building aircraft in 1935. In 1943 the aircraft division was spun off as Kyūshū Hikōki, while the original company was renamed Kyūshū Heiki (Kyūshū Armaments).

After the war, the company was renamed Watanabe Jidōsha Kōgyō (Watanabe Automobile Industries) and manufactured automobile bodies and parts. It was dissolved in 2001.

Products

 * E9W - 'Slim' 1935 submarine-based reconnaissance floatplane
 * J7W 震電 Shinden (Magnificent Lightning) - 1945 pusher fighter prototype
 * K6W - WS-103 seaplane for Royal Siamese Navy
 * K8W - 1938 floatplane trainer prototype, lost to the Kawanishi K8K
 * K9W カエデ Kaede (Maple) - 'Cypress' 1939 basic trainer; license-built Bücker Bu 131 Jüngmann
 * K10W - 'Oak' 1943 intermediate trainer
 * K11W 白菊 Shiragiku (White Chrysanthemum) - 1943 crew trainer
 * Q1W 東海 Tokai (Eastern Sea) - 'Lorna' 1945 ASW/patrol aircraft
 * Q3W 南海 Nankai (South Sea) - 1945 ASW/patrol aircraft prototype based on the K11W

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Original French Poster for the movie City of Lost Children

This is promotional material for the movie City of Lost Children. Movie posters are deemed fair use.

Fair use rationale in The City of Lost Children
Fair use in The City of Lost Children:
 * 1) This image illustrates the text next to which it appears, which describes the film in question for which it promotes.
 * 2) It does not limit the copyright owner's rights to market or sell the film in any way.
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Govnor
I was talking about the govenor on a armanda scooter 2605:8D80:4C1:3AA8:BB46:2FCE:2E25:938C (talk) 20:39, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Housing
Mr. Governor or Mr. Bill Lee something needs to be done about the housing market. The rent has gone up so high I have a widow in the church and she was paying $1500 a month and her landlord raised the rent $500-$2000 a month, something needs to be done all these people moving here from the west and from out of state is causing the housing market to skyrocket and people cannot afford to rent. I cannot afford to rent the majority of people in the community make $30,000 a year unless they are married a single person cannot afford to live by themselves. They have to have a roommate, something needs to be done. You are the only one that can do something about this please governor, take a look and do something about the housing market in our community in Knoxville Tennessee. It’s out of control. Rent is too high it cannot be afforded. 2600:1004:B105:627C:580E:AF85:387:2FA0 (talk) 13:19, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

No mention of the English spelling of "governour" in article
I've been doing a lot of research on the proto-American Jamestown, Virginia colony of the 1600s, and a lot of books use the spelling governour to describe the Virginia Governor's Council (which was part of England). I also saw this note:
 * "A partial revival of -or on the Latin model took place from 16th century. (governour began to lose its -u- 16c. and it was gone by 19c.), and also among phonetic spellers in both England and America (John Wesley wrote that -or was "a fashionable impropriety" in England in 1791)."
 * This indicates to me that "governour" is (or was) an acceptable spelling, and this article should be audited for American English bias. I will endeavour to research more etymology references! StevePrutz (talk) 12:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

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Bologna declaration

The Bologna declaration (in full, Joint Declaration of the European Ministers of Education convened in Bologna on 19 June 1999) is the main guiding document of the Bologna process. It was adopted by ministers of education of 29 European countries at their meeting in Bologna in 1999.

It proposed a European Higher Education Area in which students and graduates could move freely between countries, using prior qualifications in one country as acceptable entry requirements for further study in another.

The principal aims agreed were:

 * 1) "Adoption of a system of easily readable and comparable degrees".  That is to say, countries should adopt common terminology and standards
 * 2) "Adoption of a system essentially based on two main cycles, undergraduate and graduate. Access to the second cycle [graduate education] shall require successful completion of first cycle lasting a minimum of three years. The degree awarded after the first cycle shall also be relevant to the European labour market as an appropriate level of qualification. The second cycle should lead to the master and/or doctorate degree as in many European countries."

The Bergen meeting subsequently refined the second point, and produced a three-cycle framework of qualifications, which in the UK terminology (adopted, at least partially, by many European countries) would be Bachelor for a first degree of three years, Master for subsequent study, and Doctor for a degree which has "made a contribution through original research that extends the frontier of knowledge by developing a substantial body of work".

The Bologna declaration has later been followed up a series of meetings between EU ministers. Each meeting has produced a communiqué based on their deliberations. To date these include the Prague communiqué (2001), the Berlin communiqué (2003), the Bergen communiqué (2005), the London communiqué (2007), the Leuven & Louvain-la-Neuve communiqué (2009).

European Commission has published ( European Communities, Feb. 2009) an "ECTS Users' Guide", including one "Overview of national regulations (...)" and "Status of the proclamation".

The Bologna Ministerial Anniversary Conference 2010 in Budapest and Vienna was held in March 2010. It issued the Budapest-Vienna Declaration.

The communiqués indicate that progress is being made towards the Bologna Declaration's aim of a European Higher Education Area, however such an area is not universally accepted as being a desirable outcome.

According to the Budapest-Vienna declaration, the next Ministerial Meeting was held in Bucharest on 26–27 April 2012.

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Royal Titles Act 1876

The Royal Titles Act 1876 (39 & 40 Vict. c. 10) was an act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom which officially recognized Queen Victoria (and subsequent monarchs) as "Empress of India".

This title had been assumed by her in 1876, under the encouragement of the Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli. The long title of the Act is "An Act to enable Her most Gracious majesty to make an addition to the Royal Style and Titles appertaining to the Imperial Crown of the United Kingdom and its Dependencies."

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Public University of Navarre

The Public University of Navarre (Nafarroako Unibertsitate Publikoa; Universidad Pública de Navarra), also known by its acronym UPNA or NUP, is a public university created in 1987 by the government of the Spanish autonomous region of Navarre (Navarra, Basque: Nafarroa). It has three campuses located in Pamplona and Tudela. Its activity began in 1989.

The main campus is located in Pamplona, at the outskirts of the city, near the CA Osasuna's El Sadar Stadium, and a new campus was opened in Tudela, a city in southern Navarre, for the 2008-09 academic year. The Health Sciences building (Spanish: Ciencias de la Salud) was placed off-campus near the two biggest hospitals of the city.

Currently there are about 10,000 students taking twenty-five different degrees, the most popular of which are Business Administration and several different engineering degrees.

There are also many foreign students taking part of Erasmus programme, International Student Exchange Programs, Virrey Palafox, or other exchange programs.

History
The Public University of Navarre was created in 1987 by the Parliament of Navarre, as an initiative by then president Gabriel Urralburu. In 1989, classes started in El Sario building, and the construction of the main building of the campus (Aulario) began. In 1990, the library and department buildings were finished. In 1993, the university elected its first rector. In 1995, they approved their first statutes, and in 1996 it already had 10,000 registered students.

In 1997, the Grupo 9 de Universidades (G9 of Universities) was founded as an alliance between nine Spanish universities, with its headquarters being in the Arrosadia Campus of the Public University of Navarre.

In 1998, both the dining room and the cafeteria were inaugurated. Two years later it already had a sports center (the Pabellón Universitario de Navarra), a modern facility with fronton, sports court and swimming pool.

In 2006, the university began its activities in Tudela. A year later it opened the student resident Los Abedules, and in 2008 the Tudela campus was finished. That year they also celebrated the first plenary session of the Student Council. In 2011, Campus Iberus was created, a consortium with the universities of Zaragoza, Lleida and La Rioja, which serves as an international excellence campus for universities located alongside the riverbank of the Ebro. In 2019, they began teching a degree in Medicine, and in 2022 the university surpassed 10,000 pre-registrations.

Since the year 1998, the Brunet Foundation, part of the university, awards the Jaime Brunet International Prize and the Jaime Brunet University Prize.

Rectors of the Public University of Navarra since its foundation

 * Pedro Burillo López (1988-1991, Management Commission)
 * Pedro Burillo López (1991)
 * Alberto González Guerrero (1991-1992)
 * Juan García Blasco (1992-1995)
 * Antonio Pérez Prados (1995-1999 and 1999-2003)
 * Pedro Burillo López (2003-2007)
 * Julio Lafuente López (2007-2011 and 2011-2015)
 * Alfonso Carlosena (2015-2019)
 * Ramón Gonzalo García (2019-)

Teaching
The Public University of Navarre has presently 25 undergraduate programs and 7 double degrees, as well as more than 30 postgraduate programs.

Faculties and Schools

 * Faculty of Economic and Business Sciences
 * Faculty of Social, Human and Education Sciences
 * Faculty of Legal Sciences
 * Faculty of Health Sciences
 * Technical School for Agricultural Engineering and Biosciences
 * Technical School for Industrial, Informatics and Telecommunications Engineering

Arrosadia Campus
Designed by Sáenz de Oiza. It has more than 26 urbanised hectares and in located in la Milagrosa, a district in the southern flank of Pamplona. This campus brings together the Aulario (classroom building), the Library, seven departmental buildings, the Rectorate, the Administration and Management building, the Workshops and Laboratories building, the cafeteria, dining rooms, and the El Sario building.

Tudela Campus
The Tudela Campus is located next to the Tarazona Highway (N-121-C), between the ETI Polytechnic Integrated Center and the farmers' cooperative. The Tudela Campus facilities came into operation in the 2008-2009 academic year. The campus is made up of the Lecture Building, the Physiotherapy and Engineering buildings and the library. It has more than 300 students belonging to the two degrees it offers, and the Experience Classroom.

Health Sciences' Building
The Health Sciences building is located on the grounds of the University Hospital of Navarre (in spanish: Hospital Universitario de Navarra), with the department of the same name and the University School of Health Studies. A process is currently underway to build a new building, which would be completed by 2025.

Practice farm
The Agricultural Practices and Research Farm is located next to El Sario, on the Arrosadia Campus.

Sport facilities
Also next to El Sario and the practice farm there are the UPNA Sports Facilities. These facilities currently have:

 * Three soccer fields: One of sand, another of grass and another of artificial grass.
 * Natural grass rugby field.
 * Practice golf course and putting-green.
 * Covered fronton.
 * The University Pavilion.
 * Indoor swimming pool.
 * 2 sports courts: one covered and one uncovered.
 * Tennis courts: Covered and uncovered.
 * Weight room.
 * Multipurpose rooms and other rooms.

In the past, the elite teams of SDC San Antonio for handball and Xota FS for futsal played, as well as the federated teams of the Club Deportivo Universidad Pública de Navarra, in its various sections (soccer, basketball, futsal...).

Currently, the facilities are used mainly by external federated clubs, tournaments or championships, or by people who are part of the university for their free use or for the Public University of Navarra Tournament that is held twice a year (autumn and spring) in the sports modalities of:

 * Team sports: Women's and men's futsal, women's and men's 3x3 soccer and basketball, and volleyball.
 * Individual sports: Basque pelota, tennis, climbing and golf.

Other areas
The university also has other integrated areas on campus such as:

 * Estanislao de Aranzadi School of Legal Practice.
 * Training and Socio-Labor Practice School.
 * Higher Language Center.
 * Fundación Universidad Sociedad.
 * Experience Classroom.

Research centers
The university also has specific infrastructures for research activity, such as the Agrobiotechnology Institute (IdAB) and the Jerónimo de Ayanz Electronics and Telecommunications R&D Center, located on the Arrosadia Campus.

In December 2014, two research institutes on smart cities and advanced materials, called the SmartCities Research Institute (ISC) and the Institute of Advanced Materials and Mathematics (INAMAT2), were created with the aim of contributing to these fields and gaining international projection.

In 2016, the Institute for Innovation & Sustainable Development in Food Chain (IS-FOOD) and the Institute for Advanced Research in Business and Economics (INARBE) were created, and in November 2017 the Institute for Multidisciplinary Research in Applied Biology (IMAB) and the Institute for Advanced Social Research (I-COMMUNITAS) were also founded.

Connections with public transport
The Pamplona City Transport lines available to reach the Public University of Navarra are L1, L6 and L9. There are also L11 bus stops very close.

The Tudela Urban Transport lines available to travel to the UPNA campus in Tudela are line 2 and line 3.

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Durga Rising

Durga Rising is a studio album by the artists Barb Jungr, Kuljit Bhamra and Russell Churney, containing 11 original songs by the trio and 4 covering versions, released in 1997.

Track listing

 * 1) "The Cutter" (Pete DeFreitas, Ian McCulloch, Les Pattinson, Will Sergeant) – 3:45
 * Originally from the Echo and the Bunnymen single The Cutter/Way Out and Up We Go (1983) and the Echo and the Bunnymen album Porcupine (1983)
 * 1) "Still Moving" (Kuljit Bhamra, Barb Jungr) – 3:06
 * 2) "Choose to be Alone" (Russell Churney, Barb Jungr) – 3:41
 * 3) "Bombay Dreaming" (Barb Jungr, James Tomalin) – 3:52
 * 4) "Crimes Against Nature" (Barb Jungr, James Tomalin) – 4:02
 * 5) "Unchain My Heart" (Freddy James, Agnes Jones) – 3:12
 * Originally from the Frances Faye album Caught in the Act: At the Thunderbird, Las Vegas (1958)
 * 1) "Spit It Out" (Barb Jungr, Michael Parker) – 5:40
 * 2) "Go Down Easy" (John Martyn) – 5:10
 * Originally from the John Martyn album Solid Air (1973)
 * 1) "Tears in a Bottle" (Barb Jungr, Parker) – 3:19
 * 2) "Blind Willie McTell" (Bob Dylan) – 8:48
 * Originally from the Bob Dylan album The Bootleg Series: Vols 1-3 (1991)
 * 1) "Train on the Move" (Barb Jungr, James Tomalin) – 6:47

Musicians

 * Barb Jungr - vocals, harmonica, mandolin
 * Russell Churney - piano, keyboards
 * Kuljit Bhamra - percussion
 * James Tomalin - guitar, banjo
 * Stan Adler - cello

Other personnel

 * Christoph Bracher - engineer
 * Mital Mehta - studio assistant
 * Barb Jungr - design
 * Dibble - design
 * Garry Laybourn - photography
 * Caren Grossman - administration

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Chickerell

Chickerell is a town and parish in Dorset, England. In the 2011 census the parish and the electoral ward had a population of 5,515.

History
Although Roman remains have been found, indicating that there has been settlement in the area for many years, as a modern town, Chickerell is recent and one of Dorset's newest towns. Chickerell has seen much development over the last twenty years.

Geography
The parish of Chickerell has to the west the Fleet Lagoon, East Fleet and Langton Herring. To the north-west is Portesham, to the east Weymouth, and to the south the Isle of Portland. Chesil Beach runs alongside to the west of the village which is part of the Jurassic Coast World Heritage Site. A major attraction in Chickerell is the Bennetts Water Gardens which is situated next to Chickerell Downs, a Woodland Trust wood. The Chickerell Rifle Range is also located close to the Fleet Lagoon, and is part of the Wyke Regis Training Area.

Governance
Chickerell is a civil parish. Its parish council is Chickerell Town Council. The parish is divided into two wards which contain ten councillors who are elected to the Town Council. For local government elections prior to 2019 which took place every four years, Chickerell returned three councillors for the West Dorset District Council, and one councillor, for the Chickerell & Chesil Bank ward, to Dorset County Council. Chickerell is situated within the West Dorset parliamentary constituency and the Member of Parliament is Chris Loder (Conservative) who was elected with 55.1 per cent of the vote at the 2019 general election.

After 2019 structural changes to local government in England, Chickerell is part of the Chickerell ward which elects 2 members to Dorset Council.

Demography
At the 2011 census Chickerell's population was 5,515. Most of the residents (97.4%) considered themselves to be of a white, British ethnicity. Some 18% of the population were under 15, 2.8% were 16 or 17, 25.9% were between 18 and 44, 22.3% were 45 to 59, and the largest proportion (32.3%) were over 60 years of age. The birth rate in Chickerell exceeds the death rate and there is a net inward migration resulting in a steady increase of the population. Chickerell's population has grown considerably since 1960. Between 1961 and 1971 it increased by 43% from 2,300 to 3,300 and has continued to grow ever since, although at a slower rate.

Economy
There are two industrial estates: Granby Industrial Estate and the Lynch Lane Industrial Estate. Blundell Harling Ltd, KEMET Electronics Corp., ASM Assembly Systems Ltd (formerly DEK Printing Machines Ltd), Tecan Components Ltd, Ultra Electronics, Weymouth Land Registry are some of the area's major employers.

Transport
The nearest railway station to Chickerell is Weymouth, 2.0 mi away from the town. The nearest coach station is at Weymouth, the nearest airport is Bournemouth Airport.

The B3157 Chickerell Road connects Chickerell to Weymouth east bound, and Bridport along the coast to the west. This is the only major road in or near the town.

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User talk:Mithent

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AfD
Based on what I've seen from you on AfD, I think that you might have something to add to the discussion at Articles for deletion/Cart00ney. I'd appreciate you weighing in on the matter in either direction. Savidan 18:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

thank you for creating my page.

Discussion
Hello:

You just tagged an article stub I wrote on Igor Ryjenkov, MW. I'm assuming that you're not a wine person? The Master of Wine is a highly distinguished title (putting him in league with Hugh Johnson and Jancis Robinson, to name but two), and that he is Canada's only MW is certainly a notable accomplishment. Cheers. Angel Thane 20:44, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Ah, okay - I was just questioning it. That would be notable, then. -- Mithent 20:46, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello Mithent - Hopefully posting this to the correct place. Was wondering why you tagged my article [F2 and F1 (Zebrafish) Screening] for cleanup - i.e. can you be more specific than "Tagged cleanup.. I don't know what to do with this!" please? Many Thanks M

 * Well, I wasn't really sure whether it needed wikifying, or moving to Wikibooks. It has useful information, but it might be better suited to the textbook style of Wikibooks. I admit that my comment wasn't the most helpful though! -- Mithent 13:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

You tagged my article "the grassy knoll project" for deletion after assuming it was a student ran program. It was not.

Nor was the radio station at the time a "student" radio station. Additionally, the grassy knoll project is a syndicated and copyrighted program still being distributed. Thanks.

 * I can't verify it, but since you de-prodded your article, it has gone to Articles for Deletion. You might want to state why it should be kept on that page, if you feel it should. -- Mithent 00:37, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I noticed you prodded a book earlier that I unprodded. Did you happen to do any research on the book at all before prodding it? Just curious, because And I Don't Want to Live This Life is about Sid Vicious murdering someone, and it was published via Random House. Figured I'd let you know. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 01:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I did a Google search on its title, which seemed to turn up a lot of song lyrics and some places to buy the book, and checked its Amazon.com sales rating, which is not especially high (around the #100,000 mark over the last two days). Those metrics, unscientific as they may be (I'm aware the Amazon rank only refers to current popularity), combined with the rather vague initial article just mentioning a girl killed by her boyfriend were enough to make me think it was just another book, albeit a sad story. The Sid Vicious connection does make it more notable, though. -- Mithent 02:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for dropping by my talk page and leaving the AfD information for me there. i am still fence-sitting about this, but i see that you have quite a bit of experience deleting articles. Try Tyr (journal) and see my comment on Talk:Tyr (journal). The page is linked in from Radical traditionalism, itself proposed for merging Traditional School. As i undertand it, the journal is a self-published outlet for a group of writers hoping to break away from the Traditional School; the Tyr (journal) page, however, is nothing but a spammy ad for the (not notable) journal.  If you think that  i am correct in this, please let me know and i will follow you as you go through the deletion process. I would rather just sit and watch you do it the first time, before initiating such a move myself. If i am wrong about the journal page being a vanity page, please let me know why. Catherineyronwode 18:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Leavenworth cable listings
Since you originally prodded it, I thought I'd let you know that Leavenworth cable listings is at AfD. NickelShoe (Talk) 22:14, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks! -- Mithent 01:37, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Your Opinion Does Not Matter(YODNM)
Hmm, I hadn't realized it had already had a prod tag added and removed: I pulled it off of the New pages page, and generally don't check the history for those. Boy, that was fast, then. --Calton | Talk 00:55, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem - I was more noting it was up for AfD. -- Mithent 01:05, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Logo contests
Hi! Assuming you are the same Mithent who proposed a logo over here, I thought you might be interested in the contests for a meta:logo for Incubator and a meta:New logo for Wiktionary. I'd love to see some proposals from you. =] Looking forward to your participation! — Nightst a  llion  (?) 05:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks! I'll give it some thought :) -- Mithent 10:47, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Great! — Nightst a  llion  (?) 20:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

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Can you please comment when you have a chance, I am trying to understand why people want this material to be merged. Coccyx Bloccyx 18:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

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Asbestos strike

The Asbestos strike of 1949, based in and around the town of Asbestos, Quebec, Canada, was a four-month labour dispute by asbestos miners. It has traditionally been portrayed as a turning point in Quebec history that helped lead to the Quiet Revolution. It also helped launch the careers of Jean Marchand, Gérard Pelletier, and Pierre Trudeau.

Events
At midnight on February 14, 1949, miners walked off the job at four asbestos mines in the Eastern Townships, near Asbestos, Quebec and Thetford Mines. Though these mines were owned by either American or English-Canadian companies, almost all the workers were francophones. The largest company was the American Johns-Manville firm. The union had several demands. These included the elimination of asbestos dust inside and outside of the mill; a fifteen cent an hour general wage increase; a five-cent an hour increase for night work; a social security fund to be administered by the union; the implementation of the Rand Formula; and "double time" payment for work on Sundays and holidays. These demands were radical in Quebec at the time, and the owners rejected them.

On February 13, 1949, the workers voted to strike. The National Federation of Mining Industry Employees and the Canadian Catholic Federation of Labour represented the workers. Jean Marchand was the general secretary of the latter and is often seen as the de facto leader of the strike.

The strike was illegal. Quebec Premier Maurice Duplessis sided strongly with the companies, largely due to his hostility to all forms of socialism. The provincial government sent squads of police to protect the mines. Duplessis' Union Nationale party had long been closely allied with the Catholic Church, but parts of the church would move to support the workers. The population and media of Quebec were sympathetic to the strikers. The lead reporter for Le Devoir was Gérard Pelletier, who was deeply sympathetic to the cause of the workers. Pierre Elliott Trudeau also covered the strike in a sympathetic manner.

Six weeks into the strike, Johns-Manville hired strikebreakers to keep the mines open. The community was deeply divided as some of the workers crossed the picket lines. The strike turned violent as the 5000 strikers attacked, destroying the property of the "scabs" and intimidating them through force. More police were sent to protect the strikebreakers. The striking miners and police fought on the picket line and hundreds of miners were arrested. Some of the incidents included: On March 14, a dynamite explosion destroyed part of a railroad track that led into the Johns-Manville Corporation Canadian subsidiary property. On March 16, strikers overturned a company jeep, injuring a passenger.

Strikers had the support of Canadian unions and some of the Catholic Church in Quebec. The Catholic Church, which had until that time been largely supportive of the Union Nationale government of Duplessis, profoundly affected the strike. Some priests backed the companies, but most sided with the strikers. On March 5, Archbishop Joseph Charbonneau delivered a fiercely pro-union speech asking all Catholics to donate to help the strikers. Premier Duplessis asked the church to transfer the archbishop to Vancouver because of his encouragement of the strike. The church refused, signaling a dramatic change in Quebec society. Charbonneau did resign and became the chaplain at a hospital in Victoria, British Columbia.

On May 5, the strikers launched an effort to shut down the mine in Asbestos by barricading the mine and every road into and out of town. Police attempts to force their way through the barricades failed. The strikers backed down when the police pledged to open fire on the strikers. The next day, the riot act was read and mass arrests of the strikers had begun, including a raid on the church. The arrested strikers were beaten and their leaders severely battered.

After the arrests, the unions decided that they must compromise, and began negotiations with the company. Archbishop Maurice Roy, of Quebec City, served as mediator. In June, the workers agreed to return to work with few gains. When the dispute ended, miners received a small pay increase, but many never regained their jobs.

Significance
One of the most violent and bitter labour disputes in Quebec and Canadian history, the strike led to great upheaval in Quebec society. The strike was in large part led by Jean Marchand, a labour unionist. Journalist Gérard Pelletier and future Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau, then a journalist, also played significant roles. Marchand, Pelletier and Trudeau would eventually become prominent Canadian politicians and were known later in their political careers as Les Trois Colombes (the Three Wise Men). They would largely establish the direction of Quebec federalism for a generation.

Trudeau edited a book, The Asbestos Strike, that presented the strike as the origin of modern Quebec, portraying it as "a violent announcement that a new era had begun." Some historians argue that the strikers were simply pursuing better conditions and that the resulting change in society was an unintended byproduct.

Popular opinion for most of the strike was broadly supportive of the striking workers. This support, beyond its moral value, manifested itself through monetary support and the supply of provisions. It is likely that the strike would have quickly failed had it not been for the establishment of this kind of support.

In 2004, a French-language book about the strike by author-historian Esther Delisle and Pierre K. Malouf was published under the title Le Quatuor d'Asbestos.

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Talk:Anthocyanin

Anthocyanins and cancer
There has already been discussion about cancer and antioxidants with someone saying there is zero research to demonstrate anti cancer activity or antioxidant activity. This is incorrect. The following studies clearly demonstrate this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16970933 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058201

There are also more studies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:84:AA58:3694:C4E6:D9F4:9FF5:71DA (talk) 21:22, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Those are preliminary lab studies, WP:PRIMARY, which are inadequate to assess human disease mechanisms and therefore are not suitable in an encyclopedia to infer anti-cancer effects. We need quality of sources meeting WP:MEDASSESS (left pyramid, level of evidence needed, where the studies you cite are the lowest quality) to discuss anti-cancer effects of anthocyanins, for which there are no adequate studies. --Zefr (talk) 23:09, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

 * Not much has changed in 5 years because most of the studies appear to be on rodents, in human studies there is poor bioavailability and the doses are usually low. You might find this interesting . Psychologist Guy (talk) 17:46, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Although I found one review of trials that found that high doses of anthocyanins (>300 mg/day) was shown to reduce vascular inflammation. Psychologist Guy (talk) 17:57, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Concur, although one could say "not much has changed since the 2010 EFSA review" (under In humans). In Europe, the US and Canada, anthocyanins are not approved as food additives (absence of toxicity data), food manufacturers are not allowed health claims on package labels, and supplement manufacturers prefer to advertize the plant source (e.g., blueberries) rather than the extract. In other words, there's no real-world case where people would consume 300 mg/day of anthocyanins, and there's much less of a chance that a series of clinical trials on such a dose would be undertaken to assess anti-disease effects. Zefr (talk) 21:17, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I see there has been a large review with all the recent data on the topic which looked at (57 studies and 2 134 336 participants). Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:16, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The full article is here. Reviewing the criteria for studies included, it's not convincing that the source, dose, or specificity of ACNs are certain, raising doubts that cloud interpretation, as occurs for any mixed-diet questionnaire (upon which nearly all the involved studies were based). These studies always have limitations of human memory at play.
 * When ACN-related foods are consumed, how are metabolites or other polyphenols/dietary factors ruled in or out, such as vitamin C or fiber? The reviews (and their studies) included were not clarified as dose- or ACN-specific, which raises concern about safety, as expressed by EFSA (ref. 4). One index for application of such a review in the general public is whether ACNs are cleared as safe and effective food additives by EFSA or the FDA, a hurdle not attained by ACN manufacturers. Zefr (talk) 19:44, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * One would have to have a lot of education in biochemistry and research the bioavailability and absorption of anthocyanins to answer that question, maybe you could have a go at expanding the article on a section about bioavailability. I agree with you that the bioavailability has been reported to be low but this appears to be for nonacylated anthocyanins that are found in berries such as blackberry, blackcurrant and blueberries. For example this recent review from 2022 noted that "application of blueberry anthocyanins is limited due to their instability and the difficulty in absorption and utilization by the human body" . So what you are saying is correct but acylated anthocyanins have a better absorption, bioavailability and stability and these are found in purple vegetables and tubers. Our Wikipedia article does not mention acylated anthocyanins or the bioavailability differences between those and nonacylated anthocyanins. I suspect the review paper I cited earlier was looking at foods high in acylated anthocyanins (red cabbage, purple potatoes, black carrots) but I can't find information in that paper about the specific foods eaten, I would have to go through all the trials to find that information but I doubt the subjects were eating just blueberries. I think this review would help the article . The review describes the structural differences between nonacylated and acylated anthocyanins. There is another that went into a lot of this.
 * I agree with you that the Linus Pauling Institute is a reliable source and should be used but as it was last updated in 2016 it is missing recent reviews published between 2018 and 2022 and does not mention acylated anthocyanins. This paper I think would also be useful to help Wikipedia readers know the differences between the types of anthocyanins as it describes which different foods they are found in . As anthocyanins are categorized as either acylated or nonacylated that are found in different food sources, I believe this should be made clear on the article. Psychologist Guy (talk) 00:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Not sure about including this technical differentiation, which is still developing in basic research and likely to be confusing for the general user without discussion; note about WP:NOTTEXTBOOK. The section "In humans" is fine as a general state of science, despite its older sources. If you want to draft a sentence, this review is better than the other, which has misleading content from lab research (example, this graphic under Function), but both are complex sources for the general user. Zefr (talk) 04:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Anthocyanins are permitted as additives (E 163) and have been assessed by EFSA []. The absence of health claims is no evidence for absence of a health effect, because health claims are expensive to submit and are assessed based on rules; a health claim might be accepted or rejected based on formalities and not necessarily scientific consensus (e.g. the flavan-3-ol health claim of 200 mg is most likely too low to be meaningful, but it met the EFSA criteria). Health claims have been very popular for some time, but the popularity vaned as there are easier ways to promote foods (most notably via University press releases).
 * Observational studies are difficult to interpret - especially the big US studies don't use data on socio-economic status and anthocyanin intake is often a simple indicator of that (anthocyanins are mainly from berries, and they are expensive). The only alternative are nutritional biomarkers, but I'm not aware of a study that has conducted such research (even though they could be easily measured in urine, but biomarker studies have currently mainly been conducted in the European EPIC cohort, mainly on flavanols and isoflavones).
 * I think it is important to keep in perspective that it is impossible to identify health effects without RCTs with the actual compounds and not foods. There have been a few small scale trials which will have been reviewed, but it's rather weak - especially when compared e.g. to flavanols where there has been the Minnesota Green Tea Trial and COSMOS. So I would generally be very cautious with claims of health benefits.
 * Ggux (talk) 10:13, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * A recent review that looked at 57 studies and more than 2.1 million participant found no association between anthocyanin and cancers, online in full  Psychologist Guy (talk) 15:59, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

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Article did previously contain a quote that the body treated these as poisons and seeks to be rid of them. Please help me find the source? Drsruli (talk) 22:55, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

 * It is still in the quote (number 53) https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/901030 (study from 2007). It is not described as poison as far as i took notice, just "The body sees them as foreign compounds and modifies them for rapid excretion in the urine and bile." Maybe annother? The following source here i found patent due the lack of expression in the article concerning the problems in research of the Anthocyanin within the human metabolism https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1082894/ (study from 2004). Well, a lot of time has passed. But not much change has occured up to date as far as i can take notice from the article.2A02:810A:10BF:9AA4:38D6:91D6:4301:D7B (talk) 07:10, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Various reasons for including a section about Chemical synthesis
Scientific Relevance: The chemical synthesis of anthocyanins is a significant aspect of their study. Understanding how these compounds can be synthesized in the lab contributes to a fuller understanding of their chemical structure and properties.

Interdisciplinary Importance: The synthesis of anthocyanins is not just relevant to chemistry but also to fields like pharmacology, food science, and materials science. These compounds have various applications, from natural food colorants to potential therapeutic agents.

Historical Context: The history of anthocyanin synthesis, starting from the early work by Nobel laureate Sir Robert Robinson, provides valuable historical context to the field of organic chemistry. It showcases the evolution of synthetic methods over time.

Technological Advancements: Including the chemical synthesis section would allow for the discussion of technological advancements in the field. For example, newer methods might offer higher yields or more environmentally friendly processes, which is valuable information for researchers and professionals.

Educational Value: For students and individuals new to the topic, understanding how anthocyanins are synthesized can provide insights into organic chemistry techniques, research methodologies, and the practical challenges of compound synthesis.

Completeness: Wikipedia aims to provide comprehensive, encyclopedic coverage of topics. A section on chemical synthesis would make the article on anthocyanins more complete and informative.

Citation and Verification: The synthesis methods are well-documented in scientific literature, providing a reliable and verifiable source of information to back up the content.

Public Interest: With the growing interest in natural products and their applications, the public is increasingly interested in how such compounds are made, whether naturally or synthetically.

Global Research: Chemical synthesis of anthocyanins is a topic of global research interest, making it relevant to a worldwide audience.

Future Research: Highlighting the current state of anthocyanin synthesis can help identify areas where further research is needed, thereby potentially inspiring future scientific investigations.

Here is a template for how Chemical Synthesis of Anthocyanins could be implemented:

Chemical Synthesis of Anthocyanins (Template)

Anthocyanins have been synthesized through various methods, contributing to our understanding of these complex molecules.

Early Work by Sir Robert Robinson Nobel laureate Sir Robert Robinson was the first to synthesize anthocyanins in the early 20th century.

Dangeles' Contribution In 1994, Dangeles et al. added to the body of knowledge with their own synthesis method.

Kondo's Method Kondo's 2006 synthesis offered a different approach, notable for its high yield. 92.221.98.77 (talk) 17:35, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

All this could be reduced to 2-3 sentences. The sources are outdated - use a WP:SCIRS review published within the past 5 years. Zefr (talk) 18:12, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

 * While I appreciate the emphasis on brevity and current sources, reducing the chemical synthesis section to just a few sentences might not provide the most informative and high-quality article for readers. Sir Robert Robinson's work, although dated, is seminal in this field and offers valuable historical context. I agree that recent reviews are important and should be included, but they should complement, not replace, foundational work like Robinson's. Direct citations to such work add depth and credibility to the article. 92.221.98.77 (talk) 18:29, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a textbook of history or methods on a single topic, WP:NOTTEXTBOOK #6-7; also WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Zefr (talk) 19:02, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand Wikipedia's guidelines on scope and focus, as outlined in WP:NOTTEXTBOOK and WP:NOTEVERYTHING. My intention is not to turn the article into a textbook but to provide a well-rounded view of anthocyanins, which includes their chemical synthesis. This information is not only of historical interest but also of current scientific relevance. I believe a balanced approach can be achieved without compromising the article's quality or Wikipedia's guidelines. Would you be open to a compromise that includes a concise yet informative section on this aspect? 92.221.98.77 (talk) 19:06, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Please provide a concise draft for editors to review here. Zefr (talk) 19:10, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The chemical synthesis of anthocyanins has been a subject of scientific inquiry since the early 20th century. Nobel laureate Sir Robert Robinson was a pioneer in this area, successfully synthesizing anthocyanins as early as 1928. His work has been foundational for the field and has influenced subsequent methods. In 1994, Dangeles et al. introduced a different approach to anthocyanin synthesis, contributing to the body of knowledge on these complex molecules. Kondo's 2006 synthesis started with the glycosylation of epicatechin, achieving an impressive initial yield of 71%. However, the method only yielded traces of the final product, cyanidin 3-glc, after five additional steps. Despite this, Kondo's approach is interesting for its divergence from other methods. These synthetic methods have broader implications, impacting fields such as pharmacology, food science, and materials science. Current research in this area aims to improve both the yield and the economic feasibility of anthocyanin synthesis.. 92.221.98.77 (talk) 19:13, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * More concise for a section on History: In 1835, the German pharmacist Ludwig Clamor Marquart gave the name Anthokyan to a chemical compound that gives flowers a blue color for the first time in his treatise "Die Farben der Blüthen".[ref] The chemical synthesis of anthocyanins was first accomplished by Nobel laureate Robert Robinson in 1928. Different approaches to anthocyanin synthesis followed over several decades,[refs] facilitating development in pharmacology, food science, and materials science.[ref] Zefr (talk) 19:23, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your concise draft and the suggestion to include this information in a "History" section. I agree that this could be a good way to present the evolution of anthocyanin synthesis while keeping the article focused and informative. Your draft captures the essence well, and incorporating it into a history context seems like a balanced approach. 92.221.98.77 (talk) 19:28, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You can provide the content and sources, then add the section as last in the article - its history is not key for understanding anthocyanins for the general user. Zefr (talk) 19:33, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Anthocyanins have been used for centuries in traditional medicine and as natural dyes, long before formal scientific investigation began. In modern times, the study of anthocyanins dates back to 1835 when German pharmacist Ludwig Clamor Marquart first named the compound "Anthokyan" in his treatise "Die Farben der Blüthen." The modern era of anthocyanin research was significantly advanced by Nobel laureate Sir Robert Robinson, who successfully synthesized these compounds in 1928. His foundational work laid the groundwork for future research and has been cited as a seminal contribution to the field.
 * In 1994, Dangeles et al. introduced a different approach to anthocyanin synthesis, further enriching our understanding of these complex molecules. Kondo's 2006 synthesis took a unique route, starting with the glycosylation of epicatechin and achieving an initial yield of 71%. Despite only yielding traces of the final product, Kondo's method is noteworthy for its innovative approach.
 * In recent years, research into the potential applications of anthocyanins has gained traction, particularly in fields such as pharmacology, food science, and materials science. Advances in synthetic methods aim to improve both the yield and the economic feasibility of anthocyanin synthesis, reflecting the compound's growing importance across multiple disciplines. 92.221.98.77 (talk) 19:44, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That's verbose and non-neutral (promotional). Work from this, fill in the sources:
 * In 1835, the German pharmacist Ludwig Clamor Marquart gave the name Anthokyan to a chemical compound that gives flowers a blue color for the first time in his treatise "Die Farben der Blüthen".[ref] The chemical synthesis of anthocyanins was first accomplished by Nobel laureate Robert Robinson in 1928. Different approaches to anthocyanin synthesis followed over several decades,[refs] facilitating development in pharmacology, food science, and materials science.[ref]
 * Zefr (talk) 19:53, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your input and the concise draft. While brevity has its merits, a slightly more verbose text can sometimes make the information more digestible for a general audience. Wikipedia is a lexicon meant to be read by humans, and a bit of elaboration can help in understanding complex topics like anthocyanins. I believe the additional details in the proposed section could enrich the reader's understanding without overwhelming them. 92.221.98.77 (talk) 20:11, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe something like this?
 * Anthocyanins have been used for centuries in traditional medicine and as natural dyes, long before formal scientific investigation began. The modern study of anthocyanins dates back to 1835 when German pharmacist Ludwig Clamor Marquart first named the compound 'Anthokyan.' Nobel laureate Sir Robert Robinson significantly advanced the field by synthesizing these compounds in 1928, laying the groundwork for future research. Several new methods have been introduced in subsequent years. In recent years, research into the potential applications of anthocyanins has gained traction, particularly in fields such as pharmacology, food science, and materials science. Advances in synthetic methods aim to improve both the yield and the economic feasibility of anthocyanin synthesis, reflecting the compound's growing importance across multiple disciplines. 92.221.98.77 (talk) 20:28, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I noticed that the focus is more on biosynthesis rather than chemical synthesis. Could you please expand a bit on why you think biosynthesis is more key for understanding anthocyanins for the general user? I'd like to understand the rationale behind this to better contribute to the article. 92.221.98.77 (talk) 21:39, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Your version reads like advocacy in promoting anthocyanins and methods of synthesis, WP:NOTADVOCACY. Other editors can assess and should be allowed input before further article revisions. Zefr (talk) 23:09, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand the concern about WP:NOTADVOCACY, but I believe the main focus of a lexicon like Wikipedia should be to be factual and informative. The aim is not to promote anthocyanins or their methods of synthesis, but rather to provide a comprehensive understanding of the subject.
 * To draw an analogy, abstaining from discussing the effects of a certain medicine or the properties of a specific engine for fear of it appearing promotional would limit the article's informational value. I believe that a balanced, factual presentation of both biosynthesis and chemical synthesis would serve the reader's interest in a comprehensive understanding of anthocyanins. 92.221.98.77 (talk) 06:09, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * For a balanced approach to both biosynthesis and chemical synthesis, I'd recommend checking the Wikipedia article on taxol. It provides a comprehensive view without appearing promotional, and could serve as a model for how we might approach the anthocyanins article. 2001:2020:4349:DAB9:0:0:17B5:D98F (talk) 08:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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OsCommerce

OsCommerce (styled "osCommerce" - "open source Commerce") is an e-commerce software solution. It can be used on any web server that has PHP and MySQL installed. It is available as free software under the GNU General Public License.

History
OsCommerce was started in March 2000 in Germany by Harald Ponce de Leon. The open source project was known as The Exchange Project. In its infancy, osCommerce was referred to by Ponce de Leon as "a side thing" and "an example research study". By late 2001, a team formed for its development and in the words of Harald Ponce de Leon, this was the point the team started taking the project seriously. By 2005, over 2000 websites used osCommerce, and in 2009 this amount grew to 13,000. As of January 2024, BuiltWith reported 39,734 currently live sites using osCommerce.

In 2021, the Holbi Group purchased osCommerce from Ponce De Leon and announced their intention to create 4.x. Its release was eventually scheduled for March 2022, however it was delayed due to the war in Ukraine.

On 16 November 2021, osCommerce v4 Beta 1 was released to the limited number of Beta testers

osCommerce v4 Beta 2 was released on 26 January 2022 to multiple Beta testers

osCommerce v4 Public demo was released on 1 June 2022

osCommerce v4 was released as a free shopping cart and open source Ecommerce platform on 25 July 2022 Major differences from the old versions was the use of the latest server software, separation of code and design, osCommerce App Shop and Apps (free and paid), introduction of multiple sale channels, multiple design templates, built in WYSIWYG editor.

Official Version
The current version is 4.0.

Previous versions and Add Ons for them were removed from osCommerce.com as they were made obsolete.

Branches
Distributed under the GNU General Public License, osCommerce is one of the earliest PHP based Open Source shopping cart software distributions. It inspired the creation of many other online store platforms, such as Magento. It has also spawned a number of forks, such as Zen Cart, xt:Commerce, oscMAX and Phoenix.

Publicised vulnerabilities (old versions)
In August 2011 three vulnerabilities in version 2.2 of the osCommerce system were exploited, allowing the addition of an iframe and JavaScript code to infect visitors to websites. Armorize reports this allowed infected web pages to hit 90,000 in a very short time until it was noticed and increasing further to 4.5 million pages within the space of a week.

OsCommerce 2.3 was made available in November 2011 and patched the exploited security holes.

When the demand for a responsive version of osCommerce 2.3 increased, community members took it upon themselves to develop one. Often referred to as osCommerce 2.3 (BS), it later evolved into a fork called Phoenix Cart.

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Talk:George Washington Hockley

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The original version of this page had some interesting material, but was taken, verbatim, from the Texas Handbook project. I included an external link to their page.

The Handbook project, per se, is copyright by the Unibersity of Texas. While some of their material comes from texts old enough to be public domain, other material is copyrighted. If you wish to restore any deleted material, please check your source. Lou I 13:39, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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