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Battle off Horaniu

The Battle off Horaniu (Japanese: 第一次ベララベラ海戦) was a minor naval battle of the Pacific campaign of World War II, fought near Vella Lavella in the Solomon Islands. On the night of 17–18 August 1943, four U.S. Navy destroyers intercepted an Imperial Japanese Navy convoy carrying troops to Horaniu, on the northern coast of Vella Lavella, where they were to establish a barge base to support the movement of troops through the region.

The Japanese convoy was escorted by four destroyers, and both sides exchanged torpedoes and gunfire from long range. After two Japanese destroyers were slightly damaged, the escort withdrew, allowing the U.S. force to sink five small ships from the convoy. However, the majority of the troop carrying barges escaped by hiding along the Vella Lavella coast and subsequently completed their mission on 19 August. In October, the Japanese used the base to support the mass withdrawal of troops from Kolombangara.

Background
In mid-1943, in the wake of the Guadalcanal campaign, the Allies launched their next offensive in the Solomon Islands, focused upon seizing the major Japanese airstrip at Munda on New Georgia. After the fall of Munda on 4–5 August and defeat in the Battle of Vella Gulf on 6–7 August, the Japanese decided to evacuate their garrisons in the central Solomons, firstly moving to Baanga Island while planning to bring forces south from Rabaul for a potential counterattack.

On 15 August, the Allies landed on Vella Lavella, bypassing the main Japanese troop concentration on Kolombangara. To maintain contact with these troops, and ensure their later withdrawal, the Japanese planned to establish a staging base at Horaniu, on the northern tip of Vella Lavella.

Commanded by Rear Admiral Matsuji Ijuin, the destroyers JAPANESE DESTROYER Sazanami, JAPANESE DESTROYER Hamakaze, JAPANESE DESTROYER Isokaze, and JAPANESE DESTROYER Shigure left Rabaul on 17 August to rendezvous with a troop convoy from Buin, on Bougainville. This convoy included 13 barges, four motor torpedo boats, the subchasers Cha-12 and Cha-5, and a Soukoutei-class armored boat. The troops embarked consisted of two Imperial Japanese Army companies and an Imperial Japanese Navy platoon.

Battle
After the Japanese force was located by Allied reconnaissance aircraft, Admiral Theodore S. Wilkinson, commander of the Third Amphibious Force, dispatched a division of four destroyers from Purvis Bay on Florida Island to intercept them. This force consisted of USS Nicholas (DD-449), USS O'Bannon (DD-450), USS Taylor (DD-468), and USS Chevalier (DD-451), under Captain Thomas J. Ryan. They departed their anchorage at 15:27 on 17 August and began a fast run up the New Georgia Sound, also known as "The Slot". When Ryan's destroyers were off the north coast of Kolombangara, lookouts on watch saw a burst of anti-aircraft fire in the distance, giving away the position of the Japanese convoy.

Despite a full moon, visibility was limited to 3 mi due to low-lying clouds and intermittent rain showers. However, at about 23:30, the Japanese convoy was attacked by eight AirSols Avenger torpedo bombers and forced to scatter, although no ships were damaged. Two of the escorts, Isokaze and Shigure, sailing abreast, began herding the smaller craft back into formation, while Sazanami and Hamakaze continued on a northwesterly course. Ryan was advised by the Avengers the Japanese ships were still heading for Vella Lavella, although his destroyers were detected shortly afterwards by a Japanese reconnaissance aircraft, which began circling in preparation for an attack. The convoy was still reforming when at 00:29 on 18 August Ryan's radar detected the Japanese destroyers to the northwest at a range of 23,000 yd, then the Japanese barges; at 00:32, Japanese lookouts spotted the U.S. destroyers, which had closed to 16,400 yd.

The Japanese convoy was still 16 nmi short of its destination, and Ijuin was under orders to avoid decisive engagement. He dispatched two of his destroyers to turn to the north in an effort to lure the U.S. force away from the troop-carrying vessels. To conceal his position, Ryan decided not to use his deck guns and began maneuvering for a torpedo attack on the Japanese destroyers, rather than attacking the barges. This surprised Ijuin who had expected the opposite. Around 00:40, the Japanese aircraft dropped several flares over the U.S. ships, giving away their location, and Ryan turned back to engage the convoy to his east. Ijuin ordered his ships to begin firing torpedoes six minutes later, loosing 31 between 00:50 and 00:54 at a range of 12500 yd. By making a series of turns to avoid the Japanese barges, the American destroyers unintentionally avoided all 31 torpedoes, and around 00:56, the Japanese gunners opened fire. However, to avoid revealing their position their searchlights were turned off, and no damage was inflicted on Ryan's destroyers.

After a series of turns, the U.S. destroyers opened fire with radar controlled 5-inch guns at 00:58, which damaged Hamakaze, while Chevalier loosed a salvo of four torpedoes towards Shigure from a distance of 9000 yd. This attack was unsuccessful. The Japanese ships laid down a smokescreen and began to zigzag to throw off the U.S. gunners' aim. Torpedo attacks by both Shigure and Isokaze were also unsuccessful and were followed by an inaccurate radar report that another U.S. naval force was advancing from the south. Ijuin could not afford to lose any of his destroyers, and after an ineffective long-range exchange of torpedoes and gunfire he ordered them to withdraw at about 01:00. Ryan's ships kept firing until the Japanese were out of range, then pursued them, moving onto a parallel course while undertaking evasive maneuvers until 01:11 to avoid any torpedoes that might have been fired. At this time, Isokaze fired a torpedo salvo from 8 mi, which failed to score a hit but in return was damaged by an American 5-inch shell, wounding several sailors.

Due to a mechanical fault on Chevalier, the Americans were unable to catch the fast-moving Japanese destroyers, who were withdrawing at 35 knots. Ryan turned back to locate the troop convoy, but the small craft had taken advantage of the destroyer contest to disperse; although the Americans managed to sink five, the majority subsequently escaped. Harassed by the Japanese reconnaissance aircraft, Ryan's destroyers returned to Tulagi.

Aftermath
As a result of the battle, a total of five Japanese auxiliary ships were sunk. This included two subchasers, two motor torpedo boats, and one powered barge with an unknown number of personnel killed or injured. Two destroyers, Hamakaze and Isokaze, were slightly damaged, although this was not significant and both took part in further actions three days later. Despite these losses, the Japanese saved the majority of their barges which spent 18 August quietly lying in hiding along the northern coast of Vella Lavella and were subsequently able to land 390 troops on 19 August. These personnel established a barge base at Horaniu, while Ijuin's force returned to Rabaul believing that they had sunk one U.S. destroyer.

The Japanese withdrawal in the central Solomons continued throughout August and September. After Baanga Island was evacuated on 22 August, the Japanese garrison withdrew to Arundel Island, and over the course of a month they fought a series of delaying actions there until late September. Meanwhile, on Vella Lavella, Horaniu fell to Allied forces on 14 September, while the base's 600 personnel were pushed into a small perimeter on the northwestern part of the island. They were withdrawn on the night of 6–7 October, along with almost 10,000 troops that were evacuated from Kolombangara to Choisel and Bougainville.

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DSVs
http://users.skynet.be/RonSubCovers/DSRV/USA%20DSRV%20Index.htm http://ussubvetsofworldwarii.org/ss_submarines/submarinelist.html

"DSV-0" Trieste - the bathyscaphe that reached Challenger Deep, retired 1966, also called X1 DSV-1 Trieste II - an updated bathyscathe (or bathyscaph) design, retired 1984, also called X2 DSV-2 Alvin - a deep diving sub, reaching only half as deep as the two Triestes DSV-3 Turtle - Alvin's identical sibling, retired 1998, USN DSV-4 Sea Cliff - another Alvin class DSV sub, retired 1998, USN DSV-5 Nemo - another Alvin class DSV sub, retired 1998, USN

DSRV-1 Mystic DSRV-2 Avalon

NR-1 Nerwin - nuclear powered research DSV sub

http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/t8/trieste.htm http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/t8/trieste_ii.htm

http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/c_DSV.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV1.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV2.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV3.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV4.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV5.htm

http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/c_DSRV.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSRV1.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSRV2.htm http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-dsrv.html

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-nr1.html

Aluminaut
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=126821&cid=10609804 http://www.smv.org/info/aluminautEX.htm

Plagiarism?
Large sections of the article appear to be copied, wholesale, from the military site http://www.csg2.navy.mil/NR1.htm as listed in the document text. While public military records are free to use, I would hope Wiki members would actually write their own articles instead of copying text. 67.189.246.211 (talk) 02:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Retired?
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/11/navy_nr1retires_113008w/

This article needs a rewrite to incorporate the retirement of the vessel.Trojancowboy (talk) 02:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Former Spy History?
Isn't this one of the subs that the CIA used for espionage, especially hacking into Soviet seafloor communication lines? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.165.40.135 (talk) 19:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Have a need to know? 8^) 70.36.176.224 (talk) 07:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Current location/disposition?
Article should probably note disposition. The reactor is likely sealed up and currently buried at Hanford. Was the hull recycled? Disposition of other subs is generally known. 66.122.34.11 (talk) 19:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Support Ship /Vessel "Carolyn Chouest"
The MV Carolyn Chouest is mentioned as the NR-1 support ship. However the MV Carolyn Chouest was build in 1994. Before then what was the support vessel for the NR-1? Wfoj2 (talk) 03:09, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Operating depth
Article lacks reference to operating and test depths. Sure it's classified, but that has not stopped anyone. 137.229.91.203 (talk) 08:45, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Installed power
It would be nice to know more about the reactor, but of course I can't find anything online. It must have had the world's smallest reactor given that it had a 4 knot top speed for a 400 ton vessel. Certainly less than a megawatt; 400 ton fishing trawlers have engines that size and go three times as fast. Kendall-K1 (talk) 17:03, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

I think we can add this to the wiki

"The reactor, its surrounding pressure vessel, and its shielding would be about the size of an office desk, hang from a bulkhead, produce only about one-hundredth of the power of a normal ship reactor and turn out a maximum of only 130 horsepower, of which 60 could be used for propulsion" http://www.nr-1-book.com/Chapter5.html Vmaldia (talk) 15:34, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

source(s)
Thanks for the great source! Now included :) and over in USS_Akron too. --Lent (talk) 09:05, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * http://www.public.navy.mil/subfor/underseawarfaremagazine/Issues/Archives/issue_17/nr1s.html —   fourthords  | =Λ= |  21:02, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

page name & italics
Two questions: (a) Given that NR-1 isn't this vessel's name, but rather a designation, should it be italicized IAW WP:ITALICS? (b) Since there is nothing at NR-1 but a redirect here, shouldn't this article be at that page? —  fourthords  | =Λ= |  21:12, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The designation for the ship is italicized when the ship has no name. Like PT-109 or MS 22 per policy. Llammakey (talk) 11:24, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

citation need no longer
The many August 2018 citation needed tags have been fixed with actual citations. --Lent (talk) 09:13, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

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Nissan Prairie

The Nissan Prairie (日産・プレーリー) is an automobile manufactured and marketed by Nissan from 1981 to 2004. Considered a mini MPV or a compact MPV. It was also marketed as the Multi in Canada and the Stanza Wagon in the United States. In Japan, it was exclusive to Nissan Bluebird Store locations, then later at Nissan Blue Stage sales channels. The Prairie had a very flexible seating capability and sliding rear doors on both sides of the vehicle, with a liftgate in the back. The name "prairie" was derived from French which means an extensive area of relatively flat grassland, similar to "steppe" or "savanna".

The second generation was marketed as the Nissan Axxess in North America, and replaced there by the larger Nissan/Ford joint venture called the Nissan Quest, and in Europe it was partially replaced by the Nissan Serena.

When the third generation of this vehicle was introduced in Japan, it was renamed initially Prairie Liberty, with the "Prairie" name eventually dropped in November 1998. This vehicle was replaced with the Nissan Lafesta in 2004.

First generation (M10; 1982)
The Nissan Prairie, known in Canada as the Multi and the United States as the Stanza Wagon, was equipped with a four-cylinder engine, with either a manual or automatic transmission. Available with front wheel drive or optional four wheel drive, the vehicle had rear passenger sliding doors on both sides of the vehicle, and a folding rear seat, designed to increase the carrying capacity of the passenger compartment. The rear tailgate opened upwards as one complete unit, in a similar fashion to a hatchback or station wagon. The Prairie competed with the Toyota Sprinter Carib with a similar wagon approach, Mitsubishi Chariot, and the Honda Shuttle.

The Prairie resembled a tall station wagon / estate with the addition of sliding side doors. It was available with five seats, though seven and eight were also available in some markets. It was developed from the Nissan Sunny platform, while using the powertrain from the Nissan Stanza. It was a companion model to the more traditional cabover Nissan Vanette, offering buyers a choice of appearance and flexibility. The trailing arm torsion beam rear suspension was borrowed from the Pulsar Van (VN10; sold as the Cherry Wagon in Europe). Some reviewers commented that when driven hard, undesirable body characteristics were exhibited, possibly due to the combination of missing B-pillar and torsion beam rear suspension. Strong understeering characteristics were also typical.

The Prairie design was strongly inspired by the Lancia Megagamma concept by Giorgetto Giugiaro and ItalDesign, shown in 1979, and offered Japanese buyers a spacious, flexible passenger/cargo arrangement that complied with Japanese Government dimension regulations and used small displacement engines that offered Japanese buyers options with regards to annual road tax obligations.

The first generation Prairies were innovative vehicles - featuring no B-pillar between the front and rear doors (instead the interlocking front and sliding rear doors locked onto both the floor and roof of the vehicle); front seatbelts mounted on the doors (excluding the US versions) that facilitated a totally unimpeded side entrance; front seats that could be slid all the way to the front of the passenger compartment and fully reclined; rear seats that could not only be folded away conventionally, but could also be reclined fully to make a double bed (in combination with the front seats); rear window winders that folded into themselves (to prevent catching when the doors were slid open); tailgate that opened past the floor of the very low and flat luggage compartment (the center section of the rear bumper was mounted on the tailgate); optional front-facing third row of seats. This type of entry was later introduced on the Toyota Isis, but only on the passenger side.

It was originally launched in Japan with a 1.5- or 1.8-litre Inline-four engine mated to a five-speed gearbox. Another notable addition to the Japanese market's models was an optional column shifted manual. A four-wheel drive version followed later in the car's life. An extensive accessories and options list was available in the Japanese Domestic Market, including a kit that effectively turned the vehicle into a campervan. In January 1985 a facelifted version was introduced, with slightly modified engines. These later cars received a new grille treatment and an entirely redesigned rear end: the bumper was now mounted separately to provide more stability after earlier versions had come under criticism for being much too flexible. This redesign also included taller, flush-fit rear side windows. In September 1985 the 4WD model finally appeared, using a larger 2-litre engine and the rear axle from the Nissan Sunny 4WD (B12). A 4WD model had been planned from the beginning, but the original bodyshell's lack of rigidity made Nissan rethink the concept.

The vehicle was launched as the Datsun Prairie in Europe and was rebranded to Nissan along with the rest of the range from 1984, at first featuring "Datsun by Nissan" badging and then solely "Nissan" badging from 1985. However, as Prairie was a slow but steady seller, some instrument clusters remained with the Datsun script featuring on the centre of the speedometer. Nissan tried, with partial success, to cover over the script a grey sticker over the plastic fascia of the instruments, rather than on the speedometer itself. The 1.5-litre engine was dropped from the UK market sometime after the 1986 facelift with the 1.8 becoming the sole engine offered. From the facelift (larger front lights, larger front indicators with additional side repeat indicators, trim improvements, redesigned rear tail light clusters) onwards the UK model was available either in 1.5 GL, 1.8 SGL or 1.8 SGL Anniversary II specification (featuring two-tone paint, electric front windows, electric steel sliding sunroof, power assisted steering and a dealer applied 'Anniversary II' badge on the tailgate). The Prairie was sold with a 3-year 100,000 mile warranty and a 6-year anti-corrosion warranty.

The European 1.5 produces 70 PS, while the later 2.0 offered 102 PS. Four-wheel-drive was introduced along with the larger engine.

Second generation (M11; 1988)
The second generation of the Prairie was introduced September 1988 and marketed as the Axxess in North America. To meet concerns that the original bodyshell was too weak, the platform used was upgraded from the smaller Nissan Sunny to the larger Nissan Bluebird. The engines were correspondingly bigger as well. The second generation Prairie lost some of the innovative features that made the first generation standout - the B-pillar was reinstated, the torsion beam rear suspension was replaced with a more conventional coil setup which prevented the rear seats from reclining. The vehicle sold for six years (1990–95) in Canada, but only for the 1990 through 1992 model years in the United States, as it was replaced by the Nissan Quest. The U.S. version had motorized automatic seatbelts while the Canadian versions had manual belts.

North American models only offered the larger 2.4-litre engine. Elsewhere the Prairie came with optional AWD and a 2.0-litre engine. In Europe, the Prairie was later replaced with the taller, more van-like Nissan Serena, while the Nissan Quest replaced both the Axxess and the Nissan Van in North America.

Nissan Prairie Joy
In Japan, Nissan stretched the rear of the vehicle to better accommodate third seat passengers and load carrying, calling the vehicle the Prairie Joy and offering the vehicle in August 1995. Conversions offered a raised roof over the passenger space up to the rear hatch. As of May 1997, anti-lock brakes and driver and front passenger airbags were offered, along with ultraviolet restricting tinted glass.

Third generation (M12; 1998)
For this generation, the car's name was changed to Nissan Liberty in Japan, while in Hong Kong, it retained the Prairie name. It has rear sliding doors and was available with either front-wheel drive or all-wheel drive. It is equipped with either the SR20DE or the SR20DET engine, both of which are mated to either a 4-speed automatic or a CVT transmission.

The third generation Prairie now shared a platform with the compact station wagon Nissan Avenir with the Prairie/Liberty focused more on flexible seating and cargo carrying duties.

Some of the issues buyers had with the Prairie was its appearance and performance, so the styling was given more attention, and Nissan's Autech division punched up its performance image, by offering the Liberty Rider that replaced the Axis trim package. The turbocharged engine was offered in the "Highway Star 4WD" package October 12, 1999, as well as the "Highway Star GT4", also enhanced by Autech. Front wheel drive vehicles were only available with the CVT transmission. Styling and luxury items offered on the larger Nissan Elgrand were also offered on the Liberty.

The Liberty saw competition from Toyota and Honda during this generation from the Toyota Ipsum, Mitsubishi Chariot, and the Honda Stream, and was joined with the new, larger Nissan Presage at Nissan Bluebird Store locations.

From June 19, 2001, Nissan offered a rear door that swung up electrically, with a platform that extended out for passengers that used a wheelchair, and by remote control. The sliding doors were offered with an electrically opening feature on both sides from May 7, 2001. A facelift appeared in September 2002 and various appearance packages were offered to update the appearance until sales ended in December 2004, and replaced by the all new Nissan Lafesta.

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Workopolis

Workopolis was a Canadian website specializing in online job searching. Headquartered in Toronto, Workopolis had offices in eight Canadian cities including Montreal, Ottawa, Calgary and Vancouver and provided its services in both English and French. It was acquired by Indeed.com in June 2018 and subsequently shut down as an independent job board. It remains as a white label portal for Indeed's Canadian job postings.

History
Formed initially by The Globe and Mail to host career postings, Workopolis gained its current name after Torstar partnered with the Globe and Mail in 2000. In 2002, Gesca became the third partner of the site. In October 2006 both Torstar and Gesca acquired the 40% stake of the company from the Globe and Mail, parting 50% stake of the site.

Workopolis was the supplier of Online Recruitment Services for the Vancouver 2010 Olympics and Paralympic Winter Games.

In 2013, Workopolis was described by CTV News as one of Canada's top jobs website.

Recruit Holdings, owners of Indeed purchased Workopolis in April 2018.

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The Starting Line

The Starting Line is an American pop-punk band formed in Churchville, Pennsylvania in 1999. They are currently based in Philadelphia.

Early years (1999–2001)
In 1999, the band that would become The Starting Line was initiated when guitarist Matt Watts, from his Connecticut dorm room, sent out emails to people from the AOL member directory who had similar bands in their profiles. He sent out many emails including one vocalist/bassist Kenny Vasoli. It asked if the 14-year-old Vasoli, who was at that time in a band called Smash Adams, was interested in "Jamming and shit", as the message title read. Kenny was the only person to respond to Matt's emails. Only a few weeks later, Vasoli found himself rehearsing with his future band-mates Watts, guitarist Mike Golla and drummer Tom Gryskewicz. According to Matt Watts, the guys "jammed and wrote a couple of songs".

From there, the band started to book shows. One of the shows was with the band Saves the Day. Saves the Day was putting out a record-release show for their second album Through Being Cool in Harrisburg, PA. Soon, the band started touring under the name Sunday Drive, selling out home-made merchandise and a self-recorded demo cassette titled Four Songs. Their first official release was a three-way split with The Jimmy Tuesday Band and The Commercials contributing three songs each, released on KickStart Audio in 2000. The three songs on the split from the band were 'West Girl Scout Road', 'Forever in a Day' and 'Nothing Short of a Miracle'.

Sunday Drive was soon approached by We the People Records and asked to produce a recording session (the We the People Records Sessions). Set for a release in December 2000, the twelve songs were initially planned to become the band's debut full-length on We the People Records, but they ended up serving only as demos for tracks on future releases, as the band signed with Drive-Thru Records in April 2001. They later found out that the name Sunday Drive was already taken by a Christian rock band, so they changed their band name to the Starting Line. The band has said there is no significance behind the name, it was the only name they all could agree upon.

With Hopes of Starting Over EP (2001)
On Drive-Thru, they soon released their debut EP With Hopes of Starting Over... on July 17, 2001. The album contained an earlier version of the song 'Leaving', which was a fan-favorite from the We The People sessions, and would eventually become the band's second single on their debut full-length album Say It Like You Mean It.

Say It Like You Mean It (2002)
On July 16, 2002, almost exactly one year after the release of their EP, the full-length Say It Like You Mean It followed. The songs ranged from energetic and fast-paced to melancholy and calm, dealing with performing on stage ("Given the Chance"- "I can't wait to hit the stage/and say hello/To Jersey"), vacation ("Left Coast Envy"- "Vacation's everything we need/Can I sell this sunrise/In return for a sunset?") and getting even with Vasoli's ex-girlfriend ("Up & Go", "Hello Houston", "Cheek to Cheek", among others). The single "The Best of Me" and its two music videos, as well as the second single "Leaving", received heavy radio and TV airplay, securing the Starting Line a spot on the Warped Tour. A clip of "Up & Go" was played during an episode of the short-lived television series from Fox, John Doe. The episode aired December 13, 2002, and was entitled 'The Mourner.' "Up & Go" was also included in the full-length trailer for the movie She's The Man, which starred Amanda Bynes. In 2003 the band appeared on Jimmy Kimmel Live, performing the song "The Best of Me".

The Make Yourself at Home EP (2003)
Due to their desire to put out new material, the band decided to release an all-unplugged EP, recorded in three sessions over the following year. The first three songs ("Make Yourself at Home", "Selective", and "Playing Favorites") (recorded in The Prize Fight's Bob Jones' bedroom in August 2002), the second session ("The Nightlife" and acoustic version of "Best of Me") (recorded in Vasoli's basement in March 2003) and the last track ("Lasting Impressions") (recorded on the band's touring bus in April 2003) became The Make Yourself at Home EP, released on November 25, 2003. The CD and the DVD version issued simultaneously, featuring an acoustic set performed live at Skate & Surf 2003 in Asbury Park, New Jersey, would be their last releases put out solely on Drive-Thru Records, as The Starting Line was signed by Geffen Records soon afterwards.

Based on a True Story (2005)
Their major label debut, Based on a True Story, came out in May 2005. Lyrically, the band dissociated themselves from the post-relationship formula that was predominant on their previous records. The album is punctuated by several more aggressive songs, written to spite the band's record label. "Inspired by the $" featured lyrics that are directed at Geffen: "Someone/Get to the point/Get it across!/To the boys at the top of the ladder I'm climbing up/I have my doubts". Another section of the song refers to a meeting the band had with the label's executives, where the Starting Line was asked to write more radio-friendly songs in the vein of New Found Glory's Catalyst (2004) and recreate "Best of Me" ("Just stay the same way/Do it like you did it before/Remain the same shape." The album was far more successful than the band's 2002 effort and sold 42,000 copies within its first week, as opposed to its predecessor's 11,000. The release was followed by the semi-headlining Nintendo Fusion Tour with Fall Out Boy, kicking off in September 2005. The band brought with them a new addition to their live performances, keyboardist Brian Schmutz. A friend of Vasoli's, the two had short lived side-project called Statue in 2004. A few dates into the tour, the Starting Line were, at their request, released from their record deal with Geffen. Vasoli describes their time with Geffen: " It was kind of like having a sort of hot girlfriend that never talks to you. You say, "Oh yeah, I 'm dating this supermodel, but she's been in France for three years and doesn't really call me... but she promises that when she gets back we're REALLY gonna start to get serious. It was always an imaginary relationship." In 2005 their song "The World" appeared on the video game Burnout Revenge and again on the television series American Idol in 2011.

Direction (2007)
In early January 2006, the band signed with Virgin Records. The band released their third full-length album "Direction" on July 31, 2007, containing the single "Island" which was written about Vasoli's girlfriend of the last four years, Michelle. The album had songs like "What You Want", "21", "Birds" and "Direction". "Island" was the group's lone charting single, peaking at No. 21 on the Billboard Modern Rock charts. The album peaked at No. 30 on the Billboard 200 chart, but fell off the chart four weeks later. The band completed the 2007 Warped Tour and began their nationwide tour with Paramore in October.

Hiatus and reunion (2008-2011)
In March 2008 the band announced in an e-mail and on Absolutepunk.net they would be going on a break in order for Ken and Brian to explore Person L, Matt and Tom to experiment with the group The Seventy Six, and Mike to spend time with his two daughters and also play with The Traded Series. Matt Watts is currently a band manager for Red Light Management, managing the bands Fake Problems, Like Lions, New Atlantic, and Hit The Lights. The band stated, "They will continue The Starting Line if and when the time is right."

In April 2009, Kenny Vasoli hinted that the Starting Line may actually be returning sooner than 2011, saying "it's looking good, may even be earlier. I hung with Matt and Tom the other day, we all are still in love with one another." On November 10, 2009, The Starting Line released their first Live CD/DVD entitled "Somebody's Gonna Miss Us." The Live CD/DVD documents the band's formation and growth through their last tour and final show at Bamboozle 2008. In December 2009, the Starting Line had a reunion concert at the Theater of Living Arts. The Starting Line guitarist Matt Watts stated on the website AbsolutePunk, that "this doesn't mean that TSL are back together....It simply means that we're taking a break from our break, and wanted to play a fun show in Philadelphia and continue to focus on our lives outside of TSL" (Kohl 1). The Starting Line added a second holiday show in Philadelphia at the Trocadero Theater due to the fact that the first holiday show scheduled for sold out in a little over an hour and the band would like to give their local fans a better chance to see them. Towards the end of their set, Kenny Vasoli announced the band's reunion.

The band played the Australian Soundwave Festival in February 2011. Matt Watts explained that they "didn't want to pass up this opportunity to hang out, have fun, and play with some really great bands," but again stated, "this doesn't mean that TSL are back together, and that we don't plan on doing a US tour any time in the near future." In May 2011, at Slam Dunk Records Leeds music festival, the band played a 50-minute set during which Kenny Vasoli announced "People keep asking us when we're getting back together, and the answer I have is yesterday. And what happens when bands get together? They write music. So, we have a new song for you." The song is entitled 'Luck'.

In late June 2012, the band posted a countdown timer on their website. Upon completion, the website was updated with information about a tour celebrating the 10-year anniversary of their debut album Say It Like You Mean It. The tour would include the band playing the entire album from start to finish. In 2012, frontman Kenny Vasoli formed a side band, Vacationer, which released their debut album, Gone, in June of that same year.

The Starting Line reunited once again for a Christmas show in 2013 at the Starland Ballroom in Sayreville, New Jersey. On July 11, 2014, it was announced on the band's official website that they would be playing another holiday show on December 26, 2014, at the Trocadero in Philadelphia. According to an article on propertyofzack.com, Kenny Vasoli confirmed on stage that the band would be releasing new material in 2015. Said article also features a very low quality video of a new song. On December 14, 2015, the band announced a new EP titled Anyways (EP). The title track was released as the lead single on December 18, 2015. Anyways (EP) marked the band's first studio release in 9 years. After years of touring with the band, Schmutz was also confirmed as a full-time member.

Anyways EP (2015)
On December 14, 2015, the band announced a new EP titled Anyways. The title track was released as the lead single on December 18, 2015. Anyways marked the band's first studio release in 9 years. The title track appeared in a 2016 episode, series 7, episode 21 of the television series The Vampire Diaries.

New music and beyond (2023)
During the first of their two 2023 holiday shows on December 7, 2023, in Philadelphia, the band played a new song called "Blame". It was the first new song the band released since the Anyways (EP) in 2015. Kenny announced before playing the song that it would be released "TBA", along with more music to come. The band played "Blame" again the following night, on their way to selling out back-to-back shows at the venue Underground Arts in their hometown.

The band was referenced in Taylor Swift's song "The Black Dog" from her 2024 album The Tortured Poets Department. Their reference in the song prompted Instagram and Facebook posts thanking Taylor for the "name check". In the posts, the band referenced #4OTW, indicating their fourth album is in the works.

Touring
The Starting Line has toured or played shows with bands such as Good Charlotte, Rufio, Senses Fail, Brand New, the Hush Sound, the Early November, Mest, Saves the Day, the Ataris, Midtown, Sum 41, No Use for a Name, Taking Back Sunday, Yellowcard, New Found Glory, Plain White T's, Fall Out Boy, Paramore, The All-American Rejects, Allister, the Format, RX Bandits, Bayside, Four Year Strong, Steel Train, Dash Eight, the Almost, Motion City Soundtrack, MxPx, Less Than Jake, Reel Big Fish, Panic! at the Disco, Mae, Boys Like Girls, All Time Low, Of All Days, Cartel, Set Your Goals, and has performed at the Vans Warped Tour on four occasions during 2002, 2003, 2005, 2007 and two dates in 2019. The Starting Line has toured throughout four continents including North America, Europe, Asia, and Australia.

On March 1, 2019, the band announced that they were going to celebrate the 20th anniversary as a band by joining the Vans Warped Tour for their 25th anniversary in San Francisco and Atlantic City. They later announced 10 other tour dates in Boston, Los Angeles, Cleveland, Chicago Riot Fest, Denver, Dallas, New York, and their hometown of Philadelphia.

On January 18, 2022, the band announced that they were going to be playing at the When We Were Young Festival in October 2022 in Las Vegas, NV. The festival will feature many well-known bands from the "scene" era including Paramore, My Chemical Romance, the Used, Dashboard Confessional, Avril Lavigne, Jimmy Eat World, Alkaline Trio and many others.

In 2023, the band played nineteen shows, the most since 2007, which will include their two 2023 Holiday Shows. The band embarked on a leg of the Wet Hot All-American Summer Tour in support of The All American Rejects along with New Found Glory and The Get Up Kids, playing eleven shows. They also played in various festivals including Adjacent Festival, So What Music Festival and Ohio Is For Lovers Festival. During a few shows on the Wet Hot All-American Summer Tour, lead singer and bassist Kenny Vasoli alluded to the band returning to touring in 2024.

In November 2023, it was announced that the band would be playing the When We Were Young in October 2024 in Las Vegas. They will be playing Say It Like You Mean It in its entirety.

On March 25, 2024, the band announced that bassist and lead singer Kenny Vasoli would be playing as a featured guest of Boys Like Girls on July 13, 2024 at a show at Foxwoods Resort and Casino.

On April 7, 2024 the band teased "DM us "ENVY" to learn more..." and a picture that read "Left Coast Envy", a reference to a song on their debut album Say It Like You Mean It. The next day the band announced a show in Los Angeles at The Novo for June 21, 2024.

On April 9, 2024 it was announced that they would be playing in a festival called Lake Tahoe Is for Lovers, presented by Hawthorne Heights, supporting them, The All-American Rejects and more.

Holiday shows
The band has hosted an annual holiday show for many years. In some years they've hosted multiple shows, with one show in Philadelphia and another in New Jersey or New York City.

Members

 * Mike Golla – lead guitar, backing vocals (1999–present)
 * Tom Gryskiewicz – drums, percussion (1999–present)
 * Kenny Vasoli – lead vocals, bass guitar (1999–present)
 * Matt Watts – rhythm guitar (1999–present)
 * Brian Schmutz – keyboards, backing vocals (2007–present; touring 2005–2007)

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Talk:DSV Alvin

DSVs
http://users.skynet.be/RonSubCovers/DSRV/USA%20DSRV%20Index.htm http://ussubvetsofworldwarii.org/ss_submarines/submarinelist.html

"DSV-0" Trieste - the bathyscaphe that reached Challenger Deep, retired 1966, also called X1 DSV-1 Trieste II - an updated bathyscathe (or bathyscaph) design, retired 1984, also called X2 DSV-2 Alvin - a deep diving sub, reaching only half as deep as the two Triestes DSV-3 Turtle - Alvin's identical sibling, retired 1998, USN DSV-4 Sea Cliff - another Alvin class DSV sub, retired 1998, USN DSV-5 Nemo - another Alvin class DSV sub, retired 1998, USN

DSRV-1 Mystic DSRV-2 Avalon

NR-1 Nerwin - nuclear powered research DSV sub

http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/t8/trieste.htm http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/t8/trieste_ii.htm

http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/c_DSV.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV1.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV2.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV3.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV4.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV5.htm

http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/c_DSRV.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSRV1.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSRV2.htm http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-dsrv.html

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-nr1.html

Aluminaut
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=126821&cid=10609804 http://www.smv.org/info/aluminautEX.htm

Most famously, Alvin was involved in the exploration of the wreckage of RMS Titanic in 1985. Launched from her support ship R/V Knorr it carried Dr.Robert Ballard and two companions to the wreckage of the great sealiner. RMS Titanic sank while attempting to transit the North Atlantic Ocean, after striking a large iceberg in 1912.

That paragraph is all wrong. Alvin did not explore the Titanic in 1985, it was 1986. And the Knorr was not the ship in the '86 mission. The Atlantis II was.

Fixed it, no need to have an obvious and easily corrected error in the article.

AM2783 17:45, 20 March 2006 (UTC)AM2783

What does this sentence mean?
"Lockheed Martin is designing the Alvin replacement vehicle as a nonclassified project and classing the vehicle to American Bureau of Shipping Rules."--Filll (talk | wpc ) 18:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Next Generation Alvin
here's a story about upgrading Alvin

Vasa2 (talk) 04:30, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Alvin is currently on display at the Navy Museum, Washington Navy Yard, next to the Trieste. BubbleDine (talk) 11:25, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

List of deep submergence vehicles
There is a list of deep submergence vehicles which will only get longer on this page, and aren't directly related to Alvin. Should this list be moved to its own page? —Anne Delong (talk) 06:25, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Erroneous sentence
"It is unknown, however, if a human could survive the rapid trip to the surface."

This sentence is misleading and should be deleted. Since the pressure inside Alvin's crew capsule is the same as on the ocean surface (atmospheric pressure), the speed of ascent is irrelevant. Alvin crew members shooting to the surface would experience no pressure change and therefore no ill-effects whatsoever. IF the pressure inside Alvin would be ambient pressure, i.e. what a scuba diver would be exposed to, the statement would be correct, but the whole point of a submarine is to allow humans to function at atmospheric (i.e. normal) pressure while venturing underwater.DanielStolte (talk) 23:04, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. 75.190.114.207 (talk) 00:36, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

General Mills cereal AND submersibles?
Can we get some verification that the General Mills of the cite is the General Mills breakfast cereal corp linked. This sounds unlikely that a cereal corp would bid on this contract.109.67.11.153 (talk) 19:32, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I noticed that too. The linked page at WHOI also says General Mills, but that must be an error. General Electric seems far more likely. But since I haven't verified, I will leave the text as-is pending confirmation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.4.239.249 (talk) 20:15, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * In the early 1960's General Mills had an aerospace and engineering group in Minneapolis that employed 200 people. That group was sold to Litton in 1963 . Litton continued the Alvin's development and delivered it to Woods Hole. Litton is now part of Northrup-Grumman. Gredw (talk) 14:37, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

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Pros and Cons
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Talk:Doctor Who spin-offs

Documentaries
Would it be advised to do a page/listing on Doctor Who documentaries? (I know there have been numerous BBC ones, including Doctor Who Confidential, as well as video documentaries and the CBC's "Planet of the Doctor". Orville Eastland

Webcasts
In the "Webcasts" section I created links for the various productions, but I don't know enough about Death Comes to Time to create one myself. I only know how it ends, but I didn't want to put an unannounced spoiler in the section. I think it's important an article be created for it, though, because I've seen a lot of online chatter by people who consider the 1996 movie, and - by extension - the new series as not possibly being canon because of what happens to The Doctor in Death Comes to Time. 23skidoo 18:45, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Games
I moved the Doctor Who (board game) info here, added some more about the other Doctor Who board game I know about and the CCG - but am wondering if there's a better way to organize it or even if it should be in this article or somewhere else. Any suggestions? -khaosworks 08:20, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * It's old news now, and the way it looks currently serves the purpose effectively, but I wonder if it might be worthwhile to produce a "Doctor Who toys" (or "Doctor Who collectibles," perhaps) article. There's certainly enough out there, and I suspect the term "spin-off" may not be as intuitive as one might hope for when dealing with things like games. It's just a thought: while I think this may be more effective than the current presentation, it's not like the present system is particularly bad, and so this is pretty low priority, in any case. – Seancdaug 04:58, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

 * It probably is - I've always had the idea of a Doctor Who merchandise article in mind, but have never put it together because I've never possessed enough material to warrant a separate article. If we get to the point where we can gather enough info to do so, certainly it's a good idea. --khaosworks 06:47, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Audio play list
I've been trying to put together a list of Doctor Who-related audio plays. It's still incomplete, and I'm playing around with the formatting, so I've not posted it to Wikipedia proper yet, but I've put up a rough draft under my user pages at User:Seancdaug/List of Doctor Who audio plays. As of now, it's only the Big Finish output (and it doesn't include all of the related series yet, either). When complete, it should probably include the BBV plays (Faction Paradox, etc.) and the handful of BBC-produced material (Pescatons, Slipback, etc.). Worthwhile? Decent formatting? Other suggestions? – Seancdaug 04:46, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

Masters of Luxor
There are links in other articles (such as fanon) to "Masters of Luxor" which was the unproduced second serial of the series. The links redirect here, but there's no actual mention of the story in this article. I don't know enough about Luxor to add anything myself; anyone else want to take a shot at it? 23skidoo 03:33, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * There's a brief mention under Novelizations. Masters of Luxor was one of the script books released by Titan books in the 90s. --khaosworks 05:44, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Article
Page is now too big, ideas on how to split it? Tim! (talk) 17:39, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * khaosworks and I discussed spinning the games section into its own article ("Doctor Who merchandise," probably) a while back. That's probably the most logical way to go, IMO, as the inclusion of that material here has always seemed a little bit forced, IMO. – Seancdaug 18:20, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Picture Cards section could also go with it, the rest are more less related topics. Tim! (talk) 19:24, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes. I've also thought that if we want to go further we can even spin-off audios and books - something to think about, now that Tim! is listing the audio plays from Big Finish. I'm shifting this conversation to Wikipedia talk:Wikiproject Doctor Who. --khaosworks 19:53, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

According to the principle of be bold, I have started the Doctor Who merchandise, although only with the material that was on this article. Any organisational ideas for that page most welcome! Tim! (talk) 09:23, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Since you asked, there is already a page for Doctor Who audio productions - indeed this is even linked as the first line in this sub-section. It's odd then that THAT page lists early history of Pescatons, Genesis then Exploration Earth while THIS page lists only Pescatons Pre-1985. My opinion is either shorten this audio section to a brief mention, pointing at the audio productions for full info or delete it altogether. As is, this page is incomplete for Audio and duplication of full listings in both pages seems pointless. An anonymous user who thanks you for your time.
 * I value anonymous contributions as highly as logged in people's :) That section was originally EVEN longer, and was reduced to the couple of paragraphs and the link to the main article about audio productions. You can feel free to reduce that section even more if you want. Tim! (talk) 10:01, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the way to reduce the page is to start using the term "spin-off" correctly. A lot of what's described here isn't a spin-off.  The only spin-offs from Doctor Who, strictly, are things like Faction Paradox, Miranda, Dalek-only material, K-9 & Company, Sarah Jane Smith, Bernice Summerfield, Gallifrey, Cybermen, UNIT,  and other productions or literary work which is somehow based on the Doctor Who universe, but doesn't include the Doctor.  Though I've started a number of stubs using the same format that was already established (i.e. one that included the term "spin-off"), it's really wrong to call PDAs, NDAs, NAs, BF productions, animated web adventures, and novelizations "spin-offs".  They're continuations or "appearances in other media", really.

 * The following line is, as far as I'm concerned, the source of the problem with this article: "One aspect of Doctor Who spin-offs which makes them different from many spin-offs from other science fiction franchises is that many of the television writers and stars have been directly involved in the production of spin-offs. For example, it has become common for a former television actor to reprise their character for an audio play." It goes out of the way to describe why these aren't spin-offs as would be commonly understood, but then illogically allows the continued use of the term.  Fact is, if the main character(s) of a show is directly involved in a production (as with Big Finish) it's no longer a spin-off.  (Note the reluctance of Wikipidia editors to call Archie Bunker's Place, for instance, a spin-off of All in the Family, and the complete absence of the term "spin-off" from the main articles on the various post-original-series Star Trek series--even DS9, which is the only one that might be called a spin-off.)  The main problem, here, is that there is no widely accepted term for what, in Star Wars lingo would be the "Doctor Who Expanded Universe".  So the implicit argument in this wikiproject seems to be that everything that can't be categorized as part of the televised canon is a "spin-off".  That's simply not what the word means.

 * Put another way, cite a source for the very first sentence of the article, or retract it. CzechOut 08:08, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Finnish novelizations
Although the information about the translations of the novelizations into Finnish is interesting, it seems odd to have two sentences about the Finnish editions instead of merely listing Finland among the other nations where translations were published. (Why list the names of the Finnish translations, and not, say, the Japanese ones?) Unless anyone objects, I'm going to edit/condense the relevant bit; please feel free to edit it back if you feel strongly about it! --Josiah Rowe

Autons
Shouldn't the auton movies also be listed here? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0176465/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0176466/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0204851/ Ausir 17:58, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Douglas Adams
I've just found out that Professor Chronotis, a character Douglas Adams created for Shada also appears in his later novel Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. Given that there is now quite a bit of precedent for Doctor Who-related fiction featuring individual characters (i.e. the Liz Shaw films, Auton, etc etc), I think Adams' book should be considered a Who spin-off in this context as well. But I'm not quite sure where to list it. Any ideas? 23skidoo 21:30, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I'd put it in the "original fiction" section, in the paragraph with Faction Paradox, Miranda, and Guy de Carnac, with a note explaining that "Shada" hadn't been released in any form when Dirk Gently was published, so it's not quite the same as re-using a character who appeared on TV or in a published Doctor Who novel. —Josiah Rowe 22:02, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

"Novelization" or "Novelisation"?
I know we've discussed this before, but I can't remember where or what the outcome was. Which is proper UK spelling: "novelisation" or "novelization"? This article currently uses both, and we should stick to one or the other. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 23:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I'd plonk for "novelisation". --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 04:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Likewise, always went with the proper spelling of "novelisation". DrWho42 04:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Comment by Tony Attwood (moved from article page)
It is not true to say that the Companions of Doctor Who series was a failure - in that this implies its sales were poor. Far from it, both the original books sold out, and Turlough and the Earthlink Dilemma was due for a reprint while further editions were in the pipeline.

I can say this with some authority as I was the guy who came up with the idea, and the title for the series, persuaded WH Allen (owners of Target) to run it, and wrote the first one.

What went wrong was a row between WH Allen who had the publishing rights and the BBC who had the character and format rights. Such rights were at that time a matter of great dispute and unresolved argument, particularly in relation to Daleks, the Terry Nation creatures that had made Doctor Who so popular near the start of the series.

In the end WH Allen pulled the series (or to use the jargon of the day, "put it on hold") while rights issues elsewhere were resolved. The BBC had given us permission for the series, but then started expressing informal "we didn't think you were going to..." type objections.

But this was small fry compared to the on-going Dalek and Blake's 7 arguments, in which I was also sadly involved (the Blake's not the Daleks) having written the Blake's 7 Programme Guide and Afterlife, both with Terry Nation.

It is interesting, all these years later, to watch spin-offs like Torchwood, and K9 and co, and think, well, maybe, if the time had been right, we could have got there a lot sooner.

Tony Attwood —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.129.209.107 (talk • contribs) 16:58, January 26, 2007 (UTC)

"the new series has contradicated the old series..."
Where has there been an incident in the new series seemingly contradicating the classic series that cannot be reconciled in any way? A wikipedia member with an awful username 20:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Good point. I'm not sure when that was added, but I've removed it. (I've seen arguments that such-and-such in the new series contradicted so-and-so in the classic, but such claims are dubious and at the very least POV.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 21:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

An example: the Doctor went vegetarian at one point in the old series, but ordered a steak in the 2005 series. That can be explained by the change of persionality in regeneration. Digifiend 13:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

People keep on about inconsistencies between episodes but forget the pivotal rule revealed by the 10th doctor, those four essential words - wibbly wobbly timey whimey. That should suffice to explain any inconsistencies that may occur or have occurred or may not have will be occurring. Simple! In a discussion about the magnificent time lord, an idea was born for a new Doctor Who film, a film directed by Tim Burton, starring the usual suspects of one Mr Johnny Depp and the most beautiful Helena Bonham Carter, roles would be the sole decision of TB of course. Interesting? Just how delightfully dark do you think it would be in the hands of this superbly honed triumvirate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.101.28.68 (talk) 10:54, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

video game
Am I just being stupid? I can't seem to find any info on wikipedia about the upcoming doctor who video game Andral 20:10, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Is there much to say about it, yet? It was mentioned here a week ago.  I know I haven't seen a huge amount of info via OG. --Mark H Wilkinson (t, c) 21:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Arcadia
Currently, the lead mentions the following:"'One area of speculation is the degree to which spin-off material is considered canon by the series following its 2005 revival. It includes references to some spin-off material, for example the reference to Arcadia, (a planet created for the Doctor Who Magazine comic strip Profits of Doom and the setting of the novel Deceit) in 'Doomsday'"Do we have a source to the effect that each use of the name Arcadia is intended as a common reference? That is, is the Arcadia in the novel a reference to the one in the comic, and the one on television a reference to the one in the novel? --Mark H Wilkinson (t, c) 17:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Reorganization
The Original Fiction section was a bit of a mess with a lot of repetition and was in need or reorganization. I have done so by moving all discussion regarding novellas and short stories into one section and full-length novels into the other. I've placed the short stories/novellas section first because it was short stories that were the first published original fiction on Doctor Who, but I can't see why the full length novels section can't come first if someone's willing to revise accordingly. 23skidoo (talk) 20:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to suggest a more radical re-organisation. Why is there no Doctor Who books article? There are articles for the Cushing films, for the audios and so on, so why not for the longest-running spin-off medium? Instead, the books section takes up a large chunk of this article, unbalancing it. Bondegezou (talk) 16:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed, even its title is a bit odd in retrospect. Why "spin-offs", when it's an article about adaptations and tie-in works? An article about spin-offs would talk about K-9 and Company, Torchwood, The Sarah Jane Adventures, and maybe the more unusual stuff like the BBV videos and Bernice Summerfield franchise. This is mostly about Doctor Who in other media. A Doctor Who novel isn't a spin-off; it's just... Doctor Who, in novel form. Probably in licensed form.
 * I'd suggest a new title along the lines of "Doctor Who in other media".Aderack (talk) 17:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

 * For that matter, why is there no article on Doctor Who comics? There's a lot to talk about there. Surely if someone with a decent rough knowledge were to start the article, it would inspire others to come in and flesh it out. I'd... kind of like to read that. Having barely read the comics myself, however, I can't say much.Aderack (talk) 17:26, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I've suggested this over at Talk:Doctor Who Magazine and redlinked Doctor Who (comics). It looks to me that we'd be best off splitting this article up and making it a holder for a short description paragraph or two and the media linked to via (or even slimming this down and merging a basic framework back into Doctor Who). (Emperor (talk) 19:31, 14 July 2008 (UTC))

 * Considering IDW are announcing an ongoing series and there are other one-shots and mini-series I suspect now is the time to split off the comics section. Is anyone interested in putting the novels and other larger sections up for a split discussion too? Or I could just be bold and split it off. (Emperor (talk) 05:27, 8 February 2009 (UTC))

The Ultimate Adventure
''Doctor Who - The Ultimate Adventure was mounted at Wimbledon Theatre in London for several months starting in March 1989. This musical play paired the Doctor with a set of new companions in a battle against not only the Daleks but the Cybermen as well.'' Just checking, but since when was this a musical? Arraitchjee (talk) 22:13, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

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IDW Doctor Who list
I was just wondering whether it would be worth making a list of IDW Doctor Who comic adventures (on a separate page), maybe listed by month/year released or split into Doctor and Martha, Doctor and Donna etc etc. Just give it a think. 8-)
 * Thefartydoctor (talk) 17:37, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

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DSVs
http://users.skynet.be/RonSubCovers/DSRV/USA%20DSRV%20Index.htm http://ussubvetsofworldwarii.org/ss_submarines/submarinelist.html

"DSV-0" Trieste - the bathyscaphe that reached Challenger Deep, retired 1966, also called X1 DSV-1 Trieste II - an updated bathyscathe (or bathyscaph) design, retired 1984, also called X2 DSV-2 Alvin - a deep diving sub, reaching only half as deep as the two Triestes DSV-3 Turtle - Alvin's identical sibling, retired 1998, USN DSV-4 Sea Cliff - another Alvin class DSV sub, retired 1998, USN DSV-5 Nemo - another Alvin class DSV sub, retired 1998, USN

DSRV-1 Mystic DSRV-2 Avalon

NR-1 Nerwin - nuclear powered research DSV sub

http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/t8/trieste.htm http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/t8/trieste_ii.htm

http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/c_DSV.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV1.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV2.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV3.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV4.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV5.htm

http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/c_DSRV.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSRV1.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSRV2.htm http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-dsrv.html

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-nr1.html

Aluminaut
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=126821&cid=10609804 http://www.smv.org/info/aluminautEX.htm

page move?
The content of this article looks like it should be under Mystic class, rather than under the general term for all DSRVs. -  BanyanTree 20:15, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Everyone knows it as the DSRV, especially thanks to Tom Clancy. Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 03:15:41, 2005-08-06 (UTC)
 * Well the main page currently states "The Priz class AS-28 Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle of the Russian Navy is disabled in a submarine accident near Kamchatka and sinks to the seafloor," and anyone clicking on the DSRV link is looking for a general term, not a U.S. class. Note that DSRV is talked about as a general term at Deep Submergence Vehicle as well.  Unless someone can think of a more logical place to put the general term, I'm going to move this over to Mystic class, paste some material in from DSV and add a dab on top to Mystic.  The way the articles are structured right now is very strange and I'm not convinced it should stay confusing because some fiction writing has confused the issue.  -   BanyanTree 12:36, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Moved.  BanyanTree 20:56, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Are we sure this is the right name? How about Mystic class submersible? —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 07:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

DSRV Status
main page, external link to navy web site- nothing found 15 Jan 2007. Wiki Links are related pages in respect to DSRV, make no mention of planned Decommissioning of these vessels. There are plans, I have not found a US Navy web site yet to mention this. This information was included with realted news from the Krusk (Russian Oscar class SSGN) tragedy several years ago. On http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/cno/n87/usw/issue_12/rescue_exercise.html referes the the Mystic as "SEDGEMOOR began as realistically as any real-world rescue mission. Mystic, the Navy's only DSRV, was delivered from San Diego to the Royal Air Force base at Prestwick on a U.S. Air Force C-5 Galaxy and then trucked to Kyle of Lochalsh, Scotland.". Unfortunately this page does not list a date. Go up a page in site implies this is frma a magizine dated in Summer of 2001.

Wfoj2 17:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Mystic Class Replacement - no wiki
There is no wiki yet on the SRDRS, the new US Navy Submarine Rescue System replacing the DSRVs. I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place to bring this up, but I think it is a wiki worth adding.--Bg10117 (talk) 17:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


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Clifton Heights

Clifton Heights may refer to the following towns and neighborhoods:

 * in the United States:
 * Clifton Heights, Louisville, Kentucky
 * Clifton Heights, St. Louis, Missouri
 * Clifton Heights, Cincinnati, Ohio - see CUF, Cincinnati
 * Clifton Heights, Pennsylvania

 * in the United Kingdom
 * Clifton Heights, part of the Clifton Triangle in Clifton, Bristol

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Clifton Park

Clifton Park may refer to:

 * Clifton Park, Baltimore, a public urban park and national historic district in Baltimore, Maryland.
 * Clifton Park, New York, a suburban town in Saratoga County, New York
 * Clifton Park and Museum, a park and museum in Clifton Park, Rotherham, South Yorkshire
 * Clifton Park (Lakewood, Ohio), a neighborhood located in Lakewood, Ohio, a Cuyahoga County suburb

title: Clifton Park


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Talk:Trieste (bathyscaphe)

DSVs
http://users.skynet.be/RonSubCovers/DSRV/USA%20DSRV%20Index.htm http://ussubvetsofworldwarii.org/ss_submarines/submarinelist.html

"DSV-0" Trieste - the bathyscaphe that reached Challenger Deep, retired 1966, also called X1 DSV-1 Trieste II - an updated bathyscathe (or bathyscaph) design, retired 1984, also called X2 DSV-2 Alvin - a deep diving sub, reaching only half as deep as the two Triestes DSV-3 Turtle - Alvin's identical sibling, retired 1998, USN DSV-4 Sea Cliff - another Alvin class DSV sub, retired 1998, USN DSV-5 Nemo - another Alvin class DSV sub, retired 1998, USN

DSRV-1 Mystic DSRV-2 Avalon

NR-1 Nerwin - nuclear powered research DSV sub

http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/t8/trieste.htm http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/t8/trieste_ii.htm

http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/c_DSV.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV1.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV2.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV3.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV4.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSV5.htm

http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/c_DSRV.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSRV1.htm http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrservicecraft/details/DSRV2.htm http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-dsrv.html

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-nr1.html

Aluminaut
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=126821&cid=10609804 http://www.smv.org/info/aluminautEX.htm

Descent longer than ascent
How is it that the descent to Mariana Trench took 5 hours and the ascent only 3 hrs 15 mins ? Jay 12:40, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * In descent, you fight the bouyancy of the gasoline. In ascent, you drop the iron weights and rise to the surface. The rate of descent would depend on how much counteracting iron is placed aboard. The rate of ascent would depend on the general bouancy of the craft. It's not the same 132.205.15.43 00:26, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Think of it like an airplane. How long does it take to get up to 30,000 ft in a 767? What if I then suddenly chopped off the wings, how long would it take you to make a fair sized crater in the ground? You fall faster than you rise.
 * That is an interesting way of putting it, but not necessarily related here, since there are very different forces at work. A plane works on lift, not buoyancy. Plus it is backwards, since it took longer to get down than up. Not to slam you, just pointing out that it doesn't really apply. --Fitzhugh 15:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I dub thee: the polite pwnmaster.
 * I assume the ballast shot was dropped down at the bottom and left there. I suppose that future missions will have ecological worries and find a way of recovering the ballast - perhaps descening a line with the vessel just for the ballast recovey, and the set the vessel free for the ascent? This isn't as dumb an ideia. Think of how unique this particular place on Earth is!... I give you an example: earliest Everest explorers left behind some junk; now, there has been recent expeditions with the goal of cleaning up the camp sites after them! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.242.177.161 (talk) 23:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The iron pellets used as ballast may not be an ecological disaster at all, in fact, quite the opposite. They may have provided another source of "food" for rust eating bacteria that live at these depths. These bacteria are essentially eating away all the iron and steel on the titanic leaving behind something called Rusticles. Here is an external link to a web page - http://news.discovery.com/history/titanic-bacteria-rust-wreck.htm - Titanic Being Eaten by Destructive Bacteria. I'd say the mountains of garbage all those yuppie (I've heard stories of fights breaking out up the mountain as they all queue up to climb) Everest mountaineers leave behind in Nepal is far more of an ecological disaster than the iron pellets Treiste left at the bottom of Challenger Deep! Ironmungy (talk) 13:54, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Bathyscaphe or Bathyscaph?
The badge in the image spells it "Bathyscaph". If this is the spelling officially used by the US Navy, shouldn't we spell it this way? 143.252.80.110 12:47, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Name
What is the relation to the city of Trieste?

 * The city has always been a border city (at times even a free territory) with a heavily international, cooperative, and multi-participatory feeling associated with it for many centuries. Reportadly, Auguste Piccard wanted to honor the idea and international free-feeling of the place by naming the boat in its honor. He would have preferred the boat to be an international project, but only the U.S. Navy had the money to really fund it. As it was, the thing narrowly escaped being renamed and making its most famous deep dive with TWO U.S. Naval officers, instead of just one plus Piccard's son. S  B Harris 23:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Andreas Rechnitzer
Should there be some mention of him? Basically ran the Trieste once in US hands. Pivitol in the purchase, "scientist in charge" of the Trieste as well as project Nekton. Even unfairly ousted as the Pilot on the "deepest dive" by Jacques Piccard as seen on the History Channel's, The Deepest Dive. There are plenty of other articles, but this is just one I found.

http://sid-hill.com/write/trieste.htm

Air filled ballast tanks, as stated in text, or water filled ballast tanks, as indicated in diagram?
I've edited the article according to the following thinking; please consider my change and correct if necessary since it is based on logic, not knowledge. The article presently reads (3rd paragraph under "Design" section: "... Trieste was over 15 m (50 feet) long, but the majority of this was the series of floats filled with 85 m³ (22,500 US gallons) of gasoline, and air-filled ballast tanks at either end of the vessel." However, I have two questions about the accuracy of this statement. First, the diagram shows what are labeled "Water Ballast Tanks" at each end. I would think that air would not be a great choice since it is so highly compressible and the structure would have to be that much stronger - hence the definitely air-filled crew chamber being the sphere at the bottom, and I assume this is why gasoline was chosen for the buoyancy fluid. While I have no reason to know, my gut sense it gasoline is much more difficult to compress than air (think bleeding your brake lines when replacing the fluid to get out any air - a small amount can make your brakes fade since it is compressible, while brake fluid is not, or not nearly as much so). Secondly, if there were air tanks, they would be buoyancy tanks, not ballast tanks, right? Therefor, based primarily on the evidence of the diagram, I'm changing the article to match the diagram more closely so "air-filled ballast tanks" will become "water-filled ballast tanks". Thanks for your review. --Fitzhugh 15:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The end ballast tanks are filled with air before a dive, then flooded to dive. This act uses water as "ballast". At the bottom, the tanks can't be re-filled with air, so they are left full of water, and the ship rises by dropping metal ballast shot. Anyway, by definition, "ballast" must be a heavy material used to stabalize a ship for some purpose, so air itself can never be a ballast material. If a ballast tank is full of air, it's not full of ballast. Thus, the tanks, while sometimes filled with air, are never filled with air ballast. When they are filled with ballast, it is always with water. Thus, both water-filled ballast tanks and air-filled ballast tanks are correct. But only in water-filled tanks are the tanks full of ballast! S  B Harris 21:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

 * It might be better to consider the tanks as 'flotation tanks' rather than 'ballast tanks'. They exist only alow the boat to float prior to a dive not to pull it down. Ex nihil (talk) 00:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Where is it now?
there is nothing in the article to show where the Trieste resides now. --One Salient Oversight (talk) 13:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

 * come closer... and read the info box: "Preserved as an exhibit in the U.S. Navy Museum" --80.187.112.26 (talk) 22:50, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

 * This is wrong. The US Navy has numerous museums. This particular Museum does not yet have a wikipedia page. I just saw it and photo'ed it in November. Fixing the link. 66.122.34.11 (talk) 19:01, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

 * The vessel at Keyport, WA is the DSV1 Trieste II, not the original Trieste — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.46.120.183 (talk) 18:34, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Early career
The early career flag has been changed from French to Italian. It was Swiss designed, Italian built but I understood that it was operated by the French Navy until it was sold on to the USA. Is this incorrect? If so what was the Italian body that owned and operated it until it was sold? Ex nihil (talk) 00:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Thresher or Scorpion?
In the "Other Deep Sea Dives" section of the article, it is stated that "In April 1963, Trieste was modified and used in the Atlantic Ocean to search for the missing submarine USS Thresher (SSN-593)." No other dives are listed, but on the USS Scorpion (SSN-589) page there is an image of the sunken submarine with an image said to be taken from the Trieste. Is this a mistake on that page, or is this page missing information on a dive for the Scorpion's wreckage? Blurgit (talk) 13:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

In over my head?
Where was the 1953 dive (3170m, IIRC) made? TREKphiler  hit me ♠  07:21, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * According to the original Time Magazine article, published 12 October 1953 - "On a rough and rainy night last week, this odd craft was towed to a point 18 miles south of the island of Ponza where the Tyrrhenian Trench is 10,000 ft. deep". Hope that answers your question, albeit years later! Here is the link to the original article, which I have used as a new reference #3 in the Design section - http://www.machine-history.com/Trieste%20Bathyscaphe. Ironmungy (talk) 05:58, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * That'll do it. Thx a bunch for finding that.  TREKphiler   any time you're ready, Uhura  19:18, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Why was the Trieste's voyage not repeated?
While the Trieste had some problems during its dive, there have been a lot of advances in technology in the 47 years since it made its historic trip. Why was this effort never repeated with a better vessel? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.247.210 (talk) 14:13, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Chiefly because even with advances in technology it still costs an absolute fortune, and no government or corporation has since been willing to bear the cost. Manning (talk) 04:09, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Should this be added?
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/01/mariana-trench-dive/ I'm talking about the video. Should it be linked to as a reference/further info? 66.166.42.211 (talk) 10:59, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Dubious chocolate claim
I've been investigating the chocolate claim—that Piccard consumed chocolate during his journey to the bottom of the Trench. I've traced it back to this diff. The only antedating evidence I cna find is this Portuguese (?) article (first result on page), which appears to be authored by a contributor to the forum. Can anyone else offer evidence for this claim? Cheers, Scientific29 (talk) 04:35, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

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Pressure sphere history
A verbal briefing I received from Navy Electronics Laboratory personnel in the 1960s included the following information: The original 2-piece sphere built by Terni was not designed for Challenger Deep pressures, so the United States Navy approached Terni about building a stronger sphere after they purchased Trieste. Terni alleged they had not yet been appropriately compensated for the sphere built for Trieste's original owners, and wanted that amount in addition to the cost of the new sphere. The Navy was unwilling to pay for what they felt was a responsibility of the original owners, and looked elsewhere for a stronger sphere. They found only Terni was able to fabricate a hemisphere of the correct diameter, so Krupp built the stronger sphere from three segments. After the leakage issues encountered during Project Nekton, the Navy was less confident of their mathematical modelling of the three-segment sphere's behavior under pressure. That might be useful information for this article if it can be documented. Has anyone encountered such documentation? Thewellman (talk) 22:24, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Pronouns
Both 'it' and 'she' are used to refer to the vessel in this article. Not sure which is best practice for referring to submersibles, but we should probably make it consistent. Rhi43 (talk) 16:32, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Wrong location
The location chosen for the ship seems to be that of her famous dive, not where she is now in the Washington Navy Yards Vicarage (talk) 20:31, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, I changed the coordinates.Yeti-Hunter (talk) 22:32, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

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Clifton Springs

Clifton Springs is the name of several places,

 * Clifton Springs, New York, a village located within Ontario County, New York, USA
 * Clifton Springs, Victoria, a coastal town overlooking Corio Bay, approximately 20 km east of Geelong, Victoria, Australia
 * Clifton Springs at Overlook Park (Oviedo, Florida)

title: Clifton Springs


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Sam Graddy

Samuel Louis Graddy III (born February 10, 1964) is an American former athlete and American football player, winner of gold medal in 4 × 100 m relay at the 1984 Summer Olympics.

Early years
Born in Gaffney, South Carolina, Sam Graddy was second in the 100 m and was a member of gold medal winning American 4 × 100 m relay team at the 1983 Pan American Games.

Track and field
Graddy was also a standout track athlete. In 1984, he won the gold medal at the 1984 USA Outdoor Track and Field Championships in the 100 meters with a time of 10.28 seconds, and as a University of Tennessee at Knoxville student, he also won the 100 meters title at the 1984 NCAA Division I Outdoor Track and Field Championships.

At the Los Angeles Olympics, Graddy was second behind Carl Lewis in 100 m and ran the first leg in the American 4 × 100 metres relay team, which won the gold medal with a new world record of 37.83 seconds.

Professional career
After graduating from university of Tennessee, Graddy was signed by the Denver Broncos in 1987. He played in Denver during the 1987 and 1988 seasons catching one pass for 30 yards. After being out of football for the 1989 season, he signed with the Los Angeles Raiders where he played from 1990 to 1992. During his Raider career Graddy was plagued with dropped passes therefore moved down the depth chart and mainly limited to kick return duty. His career highlight was in 1991 when he caught an 80-yard touchdown pass against the Houston Oilers. Graddy ended his career with 18 catches, 477 yards, 26.5 average per reception and 3 touchdowns. He also returned 27 kicks for 458 yards.

title: Sam Graddy


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EUjet

EUjet was a low-cost airline based at Shannon Airport, Ireland. It operated a network of services from its main base at Shannon Airport (SNN), with a hub at Kent International Airport (MSE), Manston, Kent, UK. The airline was sold to a British company, PlaneStation, which also owned Kent airport, for €10m. In July 2005, PlaneStation went out of business with €40m in debts, forcing EUjet to cease operations.

History
The airline was established in 2003, commencing operations in May of that year. It was created by former Trans Aer head PJ McGoldrick, who linked with Fokker 100 leasing specialist Debis AirFinance to offer wet leases and charters. In 2004, the company moved into scheduled services. Airport operator PlaneStation completed its takeover of EUjet in January 2005 by acquiring the remaining 70% of the shares. It had bought the first 30% in May 2004. On 26 July 2005, the airline went into administration.

Services
EUjet operated the following services (at July 2005):

 * Ireland domestic destinations: Dublin and Shannon.
 * UK destinations: Belfast, Edinburgh, Manchester, Kent International Airport and Newcastle.
 * International scheduled destinations: Alicante, Amsterdam, Faro, Geneva (ski seasonal destination), Girona, Ibiza, Innsbruck, Málaga, Murcia, Nice, Palma de Mallorca, Prague, Salzburg and Valencia.

Fleet
The EuJet fleet consisted of the following aircraft:

Collapse
On 25 July 2005, trading in PlaneStation (EUjet's parent company) shares was suspended. Passenger numbers were far down on expected figures and the company suffered a £6.5 million loss in the last half of 2004. The company stated that discussions with the banks have "not been positive".

On 26 July 2005, all flights were suspended along with the operations of Kent International Airport for all bar freight traffic. Later in the day, EUjet went into voluntary administration leaving up to 5,000 passengers stranded abroad and 500 jobs in the balance.

Lack of passenger numbers are one reason cited for the failure of the airline, with only 330,000 out of the 500,000 passengers predicted for the first year of operation. In addition, the airline had been plagued with disruption and protest from people in Thanet, a significant proportion of whom were against any expansion of operations at Kent International Airport.

easyJet, a rival airline, offered to fly home the thousands of stranded EUjet customers for a flat fee of £25.

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Henry Manners, 2nd Earl of Rutland

Henry Manners, 2nd Earl of Rutland, 13th Baron de Ros of Helmsley, KG (23 September 1526 – 17 September 1563) was an English nobleman.

Early life
Henry Manners was born 23 September 1526, the eldest son of Thomas Manners, 1st Earl of Rutland and his wife Eleanor Paston. He was married to Lady Margaret Neville on 3 July 1536. Henry was styled Lord Ros until his father's death in 1543, after which he succeeded as the second earl of Rutland.

Career
Like his father, Earl Henry held many offices. As Warden of the Scottish Marches he reprieved the town of Haddington in June 1549, and recaptured Ferniehirst Castle. Whilst anxious to return home on account of his mother's ill health in November 1549, he was required to investigate the activities of Thomas Wyndham a sailor who had captured merchant vessels in the Forth. In December 1549, his mother-in-law, the Dowager of Westmorland, complained to him that he had established a garrison of Italian soldiers at Bywell, one her villages. He was made admiral in 1556, and the following year was Captain-general of the cavalry at the siege of St Quentin under Mary I of England. Under Elizabeth I he served successfully and she made him Lord Lieutenant of Nottinghamshire and Rutland, Knight of the Garter and President of the North.

He completed his father's design of Belvoir Castle in 1555, including "preserving the monumental remains of his ancestors, by transferring them chiefly to Bottesford", from the Priory of Belvoir and Croxton Abbey.

After the untimely death of Edward VI in 1553, and the subsequent death of Edward Courtenay 1st Earl of Devon in 1556, Rutland stood as Heir presumptive as the senior male descendant of Richard 3rd Duke of York. James VI/I, the son of Mary Queen of Scots would not be born until 1566. His descent can be traced through Anne of York, Duchess of Exeter.

Marriage and progeny
He married twice:
 * Firstly on 3 July 1536 to Margaret Neville (died 1559), daughter of Ralph Neville, 4th Earl of Westmorland by whom he had three children:
 * Edward Manners, 3rd Earl of Rutland
 * John Manners, 4th Earl of Rutland
 * Elizabeth Manners (c. 1553 – c. 1590), who married Sir William V Courtenay (1553–1630), de jure 3rd Earl of Devon, of Powderham Castle, Devon.
 * After Margaret's death, he married Bridget Hussey, the widow of Richard Morrison. Her third husband was Francis Russell, 2nd Earl of Bedford.

Death and monument
Henry Manners died on 17 September 1563. In his last will, his instructions were to be buried in the Bottesford church and a "tomb, suitable to his estate, should be made there". He is buried at St Mary the Virgin's Church, Bottesford in Leicestershire. His tomb, in the centre of the chancel next to that of his father, is of alabaster and considered unique. The effigies lie beneath a decorated example of an Elizabethan dining table on heavy carved legs, suggesting an attempt to represent a communion table. Earl Henry is depicted in armour of conventional pattern except that the breastplate is made up of laminated plates. He wears a coronet and his head is supported on a tilt-heaume. He is wearing a chain nearly reaching his thighs, and the Order of the Garter is on the left leg. He holds a closed book in his right hand and a sword in his left. At his feet is a hornless unicorn. His wife, Margaret, also wears a coronet and is dressed in the style of the time, with an ermine-trimmed mantle. Her head rests on a scroll and her feet on a lion.

title: Henry Manners, 2nd Earl of Rutland