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User talk:Eddideigel

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Thanks
Just a note to thank you for calling for answers to the complaints filed by me and others against the arbitrators. It seems that we will get an answer now, thanks to your effort. Mange takk, Shorne 12:21, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Ingen årsak. (Don't mention it.) Although I second Leif's comment that you may be hurting your own case, there is all reason to speed up the handling of it. Just for the record I take no party — if you are right, serious action; if you are wrong, serious action, too — but since the case may harm the system itself it should really be expedited. --Eddi 13:23, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Ja, vi er enige. Shorne 16:56, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Any development? --Eddi 20:44, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I haven't heard a word from anyone, no. Have you? Shorne 01:22, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Nope. --Eddi 17:52, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Thank you for your comments about the infoboxes. As the person who made all of them, I came to check my watchlist to see them all systematically deleted after my hours of work. I have commented on Gzornenplatz's talk page asking him for the reasons behind his change, and warning him taht if he cannot justify his actions, I will revert all of the pages to the versions with the infoboxes. I'll keep you posted on the situation if you'd like. Páll 00:15, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks, I'd like to be updated if it's not too much trouble. I noticed the war over the Norway infobox and assumed there would be similar situations elsewhere. I haven't made up my mind yet if I prefer the infoboxes or not (I probably do), but an edit war is bad anyhow. --Eddi 00:29, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hi, there's a new Solution E that's been proposed for the country infoboxes; I've changed my vote from the Solution D that I proposed, earlier. The new option, proposed by User:Zocky, transcludes a subpage instead of using the template mechanism for this. See: Nepal's infobox is implemented at Nepal/infobox using Template:Infobox_Country; Tuvalu's is implemented at Tuvalu/infobox as a wiki table.

Discussion is at: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countries voting: Country_infobox_vote

Thanks. — Davenbelle 02:46, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)

 * I selected (C) because it is simpler than (A), but changes of country information are still visible in the country article history. The latter is not the case with (E). Thank you anyway. --Eddi 18:24, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Understood. The all-together approach seems to be most people's issue; to me, the large block of non-wiki text up front is more annoying. Changing to a template only changes the nature of this up-front clutter and only reduces the amount of it slightly. I would think that the off-putting effect of this on non-technical people would be more compelling. — Davenbelle 22:53, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)

Voting for standardization
Hi. I'm oo64eva. We're holding a vote here to standardize the table and color template. If you have any questions leave a message on my talk page or on the project talk page. Spread the word about the vote, it ends May 12th at 3:40 UTC. — oo64eva (Alex) (U @ 04:22, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

Counties of Norway
Wikipedia has very specific rules for the application of categories. Specifically, Category:Counties of Norway is already a subcategory of Category:Norway, so an article cannot be simultaneously filed in both categories. Bearcat 00:08, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

OK, I didn't know that – and I guess many with me. Those rules may not always be practical, I think, but I'll leave it to that. --Eddi (Talk)  08:22, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

The Geography of Nynorsk
I apologise that I wrote in the Nynorsk entry that Nynorsk was more common to the northwest of Norway. My intention, not totally expressed in what I wrote, was for the reader in English to understand the roots of Nynorsk per Aasen's work and that it is more rural while Bokmål is more urban. On second review of what I wrote, you are right that it was (unintentionally) misleading and I do apologise and it has been amended. I would very much like to see the Nynorsk entry greatly expanded and ask you to work with me on that if you like.--Mike 07:01, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

No problem. See Talk:Nynorsk. --Eddi (Talk)  21:56, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

The flag of Greater Melbourne
The flag is in fact a Nordic cross if you check. I wondered if it really was a Nordic cross myself so I quicly measured it on my screen and the vertical part of the cross is shifted slightly to the hoist side (there is about 5mm difference) this makes it a nordic cross. :)Inge 23:17, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Measuring on screen is not very accurate. And of course it depends on the quality of the image file itself. I suggest taking such information from verifiable text sources, not measuring images. --Eddi (Talk)  23:39, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes. It's also listed here, but that really doesn't make it any better. Inge 23:45, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Not much, no. But you could ask about the source from the person who listed it there. --Eddi (Talk)  23:51, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Here FOTW has a bit about the Greater Sydney flag which has the same design principles as the Greater Melbourne flag. It states that the cross is offset "to create a 1:2 ratio flag and a 1:2 canton" in order to make the ship look better etc. So I don't know...the cross is offset, but it really isn't in the spirit of a Nordic cross :) Inge 00:00, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Doesn't seem the spirit, no. It even states that the intention is to make it look centered. However, after never setting foot in FOTW before, I have grown very sceptic towards it and its mirrors from just a few lookups today. --Eddi (Talk)  00:19, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

They include everything and anything. And it is very difficult to know what to trust when it comes to the unofficial flags. But at least the ones about official flags like this one and this one about Norway are very comprehensive and trustworthy. Inge 00:31, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

 * In that case I suggest references to FOTW for official flags, but not for unofficial ones. Of course one may use FOTW to locate other sources, but I don't think it should be referenced itself for the unofficial flags. By the way, at Talk:Gallery of flags by design I have proposed that the flags of Greatern Melbourne and the Hong Kong Baptists should be removed from the section on Scandinavian crosses. --Eddi (Talk)  00:52, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Nynorsk
Thank you for your answer. — Staatenloser 16:06, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

The Movement
What does this one think of the movement? --Kin Khan 02:03, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

This one has no opinion on the movement, but dislikes unsolicited campaigning. --Eddi (Talk) 04:40, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks....
....for the translation of the subtitles and your friendly words; --Hesse1309 17:39, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I gladly help promoting Norway to a bigger audience. Hope you didn't find the removal of the credits too harsh. --Eddi (Talk) 18:01, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Region?
We need to review the terms used for various types of regions of Norway, esp. the current erroneous term "landscape", but also landsdel and tettsted. See for instance Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Norway. -- Egil 16:10, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Periodic Table
Template:Element looks great, and the coding for Template:Periodic_table sure looks better now too. Template_talk:Element says it's still in testing and shouldn't be used in namespace articles yet. Is this still true? If not, please remove this warning from the talk page. Flying Jazz 02:17, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks in all respects. Now, I had almost forgotten about the element template. Please note that it's intended for element articles and not related to element cell, the template used in the Periodic table (standard). It has been tested, but never intoduced in namespace, and not developed in pace with the element articles. Other templates rule the namespace — see the lengthy discussion at WikiProject Elements, and the collection of templates at Special:Allpages/Template:Elementbox with instructions at WikiProject Elements. Although not very precise I think the warning can remain for the time being. --Eddi (Talk) 03:01, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Whuh?
I still need help. What part of that template is what I want and what isn't? It's all very confuzzling. Please to be helping me isolate one square so with which I can build upon. --Homfrog 14:35, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

In the Periodic table (standard) the table framework is outlined using wiki table format, starting with {| and ending with |}. Between these delimiters, rows start with |- and cells start with | or ! (the last causing bold font). Inside the table cells, in this case, the data is written using another template, namely Template:Element cell, which sets up the data with colours and borders. See example to the right. The code of that cell is:

Instead of using the element cell template, we could have written the following code:

So the latter part is perhaps what examplifies a table cell. --Eddi (Talk) 17:00, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanx! You earn your vanilla {french accent} crossiant! {english} And now I'll go do something. Bye. Homfrog 21:51, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Election-table2
I like the new template you made. I will use it instead of election-table in future. Electionworld 19:08, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Glad you like it. But as you can see, election-table2 is basically a copy of election-table – only with text-align:right and without the leading row. I really hate repetition of attributes, so when I can put them in a header I'm happy. :) Hope you find the instructions useful, too. --Eddi (Talk) 23:32, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

The template has further developed, I now use electiontable. Electionworld = Wilfried (talk 21:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

It looks fine. Remember to include an instruction page. --Eddi (Talk) 00:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Progress Party
Heisann,

thanks for mediating on the Progress Party page. I was wondering whether you could comment on the talk page (Heptor has not replied yet). I pointed out 4 points, maybe you can elaborate on what you think of those?

"We snakes", --Orzetto 18:57, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Prego. However, I'd rather not comment before both sides have presented their views. Hope that's OK with you. --Eddi (Talk) 22:19, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you :)
Hi, thank you for telling me... I am surprised anyone noticed, as I removed it within minutes.... But hey, I'll learn. You were ol just between my posting and deleting?

Jordskjelv

Anonymous (IP) users are most suspicious. Next in line are registered users without a user page, i.e. red link on the user name. Personally I don't pay attention to anonymous edits that cancel each other, but registered edits that cancel each other are different. Especially malicious edits. --Eddi (Talk) 02:42, 18 February 2006 (UTC)  PS: You may sign and date your comment automatically with 4 tildes like ~

Image
Would it be okay for me to upload a special one image of my own? Like say, of how I depict myself? Thanks, Homfrog 00:42, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I guess so, if it fits one of the image licenses listed at the upload page. If you have made the image yourself, you may for instance choose "GFDL (self made)". It is recommended that material on your user page should be related to Wikipedia or your work at Wikipedia, but I think the interpretation of this is quite wide. See User page for more details. --Eddi (Talk) 01:39, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Link color
Hey, uh, just a quick one while I'm away. *ahem* OOHHHH, WHAT COLOR IN HEX ARE THE LINKS THAT SHINE TO OUR OWN WEBSITE? DO YOU CAN YOU UNDERSTAND?? *coughcough* Well, uh, I'm expecting an answer please. Homfrog 00:14, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Blue... eh... 0000FF...? Probably not. Perhaps common.css will shine some light on the riddle. If it doesn't, you may extinguish your thirst at the village pump. --Eddi (Talk) 02:00, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Non-proliferation and Norway
I've an interest in nuclear policy, hence being drawn to that (that and noting Leifern's POV editing there). I suspect there is much more to the politicians' acts and policies, but that is actually an interesting story, and seems to me worth a very small mention. It is a pity it was stuck on the stubborn desire to denigrate that Leifern alo seems to have for the main subject of the article. And me. And Geni... Shall we see if whoever put the original entry into it ha a view, or someone else from outside? Midgley 00:01, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

For some years after WWII Norway exported supplementary, non-fissile materials to certain countries, and from time to time there has been some debate on whether or not to allow allied vessels carrying nuclear reactors or weapons in Norwegian waters. However, I don't think Norwegian policy on nuclear technology has changed significantly for several decades. At least I can't recall any shifts in policy between the 1980's and the 70's or 90's. So that part would probably have to go. As to name calling I will not have it on my page, whoever it is. I welcome factual disputes, but no personal attacks please. --Eddi (Talk) 02:00, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

New municipal and regional emblems after 2007?
Hello Eddi(e)! I hope you are doing well. Here's a question that you may be able to answer. :) // Big Adamsky  •  BA's talk page 14:46, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, same. I have a couple of thoughts, but I would like to do some checking before putting them on screen. See you later. --Eddi (Talk) 17:43, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Userbox Help
Back again. Anyways. One of my userboxes is mis-aligned. Between the color orange and the District of Columbia. Could you fix it? Thanks. --Homfrog 13:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I think there are too many boxes and too many types of boxes. Boxes of different types don't necessarily mix well, especially if the heights or widths are different. It might help if you sort the boxes by themes and/or sizes. You may also insert some  if you want any hard line breaks. I made some tests on your page while checking the situation, but I didn't try to fix the alignment problem. --Eddi (Talk) 15:56, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Erbium
You'll be interested in this talk re the 'bot attacks' on erbium. So a stub at erbium with a correct interlanguage link from erbium might help to fix things. Start working! :) Femto 11:39, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. (I've been out of woffice for a few days.) I might contribute to a stub at no:erbium, but it's no solution to the real problem. I'll watch the discussion you're referring to. --Eddi (Talk) 23:48, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Element
I recently noticed how many templates it takes to create an infobox for a single element, and it could be reduced to one with the proper code. I saw that you began to create Template:Element to try to combine all the templates currently being used. Are you still actively working on that endeavor? --MZMcBride 22:57, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

 * See also my comments at Template talk:Elementbox header. No opposition from me, now that we have parser functions. Femto 12:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

 * While working on element templates at nn: and no: I looked for ideas at en: and other places and found a multitude of templates. I created a single template at nn: that was translated to en: and tested on a small scale, but it was only implemented at nn: and not developed further at en:. At the time there was some debate on ease of use of single templates versus form and function of multiple templates, but now I'm not sure if the user friendliness was that different after all. Anyway, the Elements WikiProject takes care of business and I'm not worried about the templates. Sorry for my late response. Thanks to Femto for noticing. --Eddi (Talk) 19:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

No
Have you left the norwegian Wikipedia? Why? NorwegianMarcus 19:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm still present both here and there, but I don't write that much any longer. No particular reason, I think, except for the kid losing interest in the new toy after a while. Thanks for visiting though. --Eddi (Talk) 00:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

 * ) Sounds good. NorwegianMarcus 16:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: AWB Feature Request "Change ordinal º to degree ° ..."
Change ordinal º to degree ° and remove space between ° and C or F

Is now added. Can you just check the diffs for me to confirm?

Cheers

Reedy Boy 19:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

The diff looks fine. As long as false positives are prevented, the tool will make the right changes. Thanks. --Eddi (Talk) 18:42, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Flag of Lewis
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My contribution was actually a tag about lack of reference and possible inaccuracy, so I have no comment to the deletion of the article. --Eddi (Talk) 22:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Wide periodic table layout
Any thoughts about using the inline periodic table as the default version for Wikipedia? See Talk:Periodic table (standard). Flying Jazz 18:17, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

 * It's probably OK. At this time I'm afraid can't tell which effect it would have, if any, so I can't comment on the actual case. I'm sorry for not replying earlier. Eddi (Talk) 04:00, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:36, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

 * It's probably OK. At this time I'm afraid can't tell which effect it would have, if any, so I can't comment on the actual case. I'm sorry for not replying earlier. Eddi (Talk) 04:00, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

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 * It's probably OK. At this time I'm afraid can't tell which effect it would have, if any, so I can't comment on the actual case. I'm sorry for not replying earlier. Eddi (Talk) 04:00, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Proposed merge of isotope tables
As someone who has maintained Isotope table (complete) and/or Isotope table (divided) in the past, your input is needed. User:Greg L is proposing (and prematurely executing) a merge of the two tables, each about 50k, into one table of over 100k. I am opposing it, and no other editors have commented yet. Please come to Talk:Isotope table (complete) and offer your opinion. Thanks, JWB (talk) 00:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Merger
Eddi: What do you think about option #3, which would keep the best of both worlds and would leave only one article? In case other options get added and the numbering gets changed, here is a historical version to show which option I’m talking about. Greg L (my talk) 20:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

FAC: List of elements by stability of isotopes
Hey, in case you still care, there is a page started by you that is now under FLC review at Featured list candidates/List of elements by stability of isotopes. If you would like, you may leave some comments. Nergaal (talk) 07:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * How about now? Nergaal (talk) 08:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Looks good. A suggestion for further detail, see project page. Note: I have not studied the whole article, so this is just a whiff among others. --Eddi (Talk) 11:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've modified the article according to your suggestion. What do you think of the article now for FL? Nergaal (talk) 14:13, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

The table looks very nice! But I have not considered the FL criteria, so there may be issues I don't know about. --Eddi (Talk) 23:44, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

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Please delete this old page
Hi, I noticed that you last edited User:Eddideigel/Fantasticum two years ago. It's using Element which no longer exists in the form you're trying to use it in - there is another template now that reports errors if it's used incorrectly. If you could please remove the page (assuming you're no longer using it), the error would disappear from my list. Thanks!
 * — SkyLined (talk) 10:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Please see User talk:SkyLined. Eddi (Talk) 04:00, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Or even simpler, removing the template from the page would fix things as well. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 08:55, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

 * This has been resolved some time ago, so don't worry about it :).    — SkyLined (talk) 22:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
Hello Eddideigel! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 1 of the articles that you created  is tagged as an Unreferenced Biography of a Living Person. Please note that all biographies of living persons must be sourced. If you were to add reliable, secondary sources to this article, it would greatly help us with the current Category:All_unreferenced_BLPs article backlog. Once the article is adequately referenced, please remove the unreferencedBLP tag. Here is the article:

Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 21:24, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Jørgen Kosmo -

 * Please see Talk:Jørgen Kosmo. Eddi (Talk) 04:00, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

 * The reference is now included in the article. Eddi (Talk) 00:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

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 * At this time I can't really comment on the deletion, but I assume it caused no harm. I'll comment on the tone of the notice, however, which is poorly addressed. I'd say Mhiji is the one who could learn a few things at the welcome page. Eddi (Talk) 16:53, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Creation of the article "2019 in Norway" in English Wikipedia
Hello, Eddideigel. Happy New Year to you! 2019 is coming soon. Can you creat the article "2019 in Norway" in English Wikipedia? Thanks a lot! 123.150.182.180 17:02, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, that's not my area of expertise. Eddi (Talk) 21:05, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

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Best of luck, and have fun!

ClockworkTroll 17:52, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

User:Ericthebrainiac
I've found it's best to just ignore any questions from User:Ericthebrainiac on the Ref Desk. They're always about telenovelas, ask for predictions which we can't even begin to guess at, and have almost every noun linked. Dismas |(talk) 04:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Sounding on the RD/Humanities
Hi there Somebody, or DTF, or whatever you would like to be called: You did a fine job on those sea phrases, working as you were, in a complete vacuum. I had the advantage of many, many more years of reading, including an era when we recited a new poem, learned "by heart" as we used to say, every Friday afternoon for the last two years of elementary school. Of course, that was so long ago Poe had just made it into the school poetry books. I also had the advantage of being extraordinarily lazy: I would rather type a phrase into Google than I would compose an essay. Keep on smiling! ៛ Bielle (talk) 04:06, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Please write something about yourself
Hi. It would be nice to know something about who you are. You do know you can write something about yourself at User:DTF955, right? ;-) E.G. (talk) 13:01, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

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Jacques Le Goff

Jacques Le Goff (1 January 1924 – 1 April 2014) was a French historian and prolific author specializing in the Middle Ages, particularly the 12th and 13th centuries.

Le Goff championed the Annales School movement, which emphasizes long-term trends over the topics of politics, diplomacy, and war that dominated 19th-century historical research. From 1972 to 1977, he was the head of the School for Advanced Studies in the Social Sciences (EHESS) in Paris. He was a leading figure of New History, related to cultural history. Le Goff argued that the Middle Ages formed a civilization of its own, distinct from both Classical Antiquity and the modern world.

Life and writings
A prolific medievalist of international renown, Le Goff was sometimes considered the principal heir and continuator of the movement known as Annales School (École des Annales), founded by his intellectual mentor Marc Bloch. Le Goff succeeded Fernand Braudel in 1972 at the head of the École des hautes études en sciences sociales (EHESS) and was succeeded by François Furet in 1977. Along with Pierre Nora, he was one of the leading figures of New History (Nouvelle histoire) in the 1970s.

Subsequently, he dedicated himself to studies on the historical anthropology of Western Europe during medieval times. He was well known for contesting the very name of "Middle Ages" and its chronology, highlighting achievements of this period and variations inside it, in particular by attracting attention to the Renaissance of the 12th century.

In his 1984 book, The Birth of Purgatory, he argued that the conception of purgatory as a physical place, rather than merely as a state, dates to the 12th century, the heyday of medieval otherworld-journey narratives such as the Irish Visio Tnugdali, and of pilgrims' tales about St Patrick's Purgatory, a cavelike entrance to purgatory on a remote island in Ireland. Alexander Lee argued in History Today, "This innovative use of popular culture to uncover the roots of a central idea in the religious thought of the Middle Ages was firmly within the Annales tradition, but extended the boundaries of the Annalistes’ approach in such a way that its broader potential as an historiographical methodology was almost beyond question."

An agnostic, Le Goff presented an equidistant position between the detractors and the apologists of the Middle Ages.

Among his numerous works were two widely accepted biographies, a genre that his school did not usually favour: the life of Louis IX, the only King of France to be canonized, and the life of Saint Francis of Assisi, the Italian mendicant friar.

In October 2000 he received an Honorary Doctor of Philosophy degree from the University of Pavia. He was also nominated Academician of Studium, Accademia di Casale e del Monferrato, Italy.

In 2004, he received the Dr. A.H. Heineken Prize for History from the Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences.

Honours

 * Commander of the Legion of Honour (1997)
 * Commander of the Ordre des Arts et des Lettres (1997)

Awards

 * Dan David Prize Award (2007)
 * Heineken Prizes (2004)
 * CNRS Gold Medal (1991)
 * Grand Prix national d’Histoire (France, 1987)
 * Prix Tevere (Rome, Italy)
 * Award of Fondation de France

Acknowledgement

 * Member of the Academia Europaea
 * Member of the Polish Academy of Sciences
 * Member of the American Academy of Arts and Letters
 * Member of the Medieval Academy of America

Honorary degrees

 * Université catholique de Louvain
 * Sapienza University of Rome
 * University of Pavia
 * Università degli Studi di Parma
 * University of Warsaw
 * University of Bucharest
 * Eötvös Loránd University
 * Babeș-Bolyai University
 * Jagiellonian University
 * Charles University
 * Hebrew University of Jerusalem

Works

 * Time, Work, & Culture in the Middle Ages, translated by Arthur Goldhammer. (Chicago & London: University of Chicago Press, 1980)
 * Constructing the Past: Essays in Historical Methodology, edited by Jacques Le Goff and Pierre Nora. (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1985)
 * Your Money or Your Life: Economy and Religion in the Middle Ages, translated by Patricia Ranum. (New York : Zone Books, 1988)
 * Saint Louis (Paris: Gallimard, 1996)
 * Saint Francis of Assisi, trans. Christine Rhone (London: Routledge, 2003)
 * The Birth of Europe, translated by Janet Lloyd. (Oxford: Blackwell, 2005)
 * In Search of Sacred Time, translated by Lydia G. Cochrane (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2014)
 * Must We Divide History into Periods?, translated by M.B. DeBevoise, Columbia University Press, 160 pp., 2015)
 * Saint Louis (Paris: Gallimard, 1996)
 * Saint Francis of Assisi, trans. Christine Rhone (London: Routledge, 2003)
 * The Birth of Europe, translated by Janet Lloyd. (Oxford: Blackwell, 2005)
 * In Search of Sacred Time, translated by Lydia G. Cochrane (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2014)
 * Must We Divide History into Periods?, translated by M.B. DeBevoise, Columbia University Press, 160 pp., 2015)
 * Must We Divide History into Periods?, translated by M.B. DeBevoise, Columbia University Press, 160 pp., 2015)

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Oberstedten

Oberstedten is one of four town subdivisions (Stadtteile) and one of three boroughs (Ortsbezirke) of Oberursel, located north of the core city and immediately northwest of Frankfurt am Main in Germany. It is part of the Frankfurt Rhein-Main urban area at the border of Bad Homburg.

History
Oberstedten was first mentioned 817 AD under the Name "Stetine". Later it was divided in Ober-, Mittel- and Niederstedten. In the very neighbourhood the knight's castle Hohenberg has been built, which was sold in 1200 AD to Gottfried von Eppstein. Today it is known as the Bad Homburg Castle with the famous "Bergfried" (white tower)

Around this castle the town Bad Homburg was founded by assimilating Mittel- and Niederstedten.

1972 Oberstedten was incorporated in Oberursel, but still has the area code of Bad Homburg (06172).

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Vouilly

Vouilly is a former commune in the Calvados department in the Normandy region in northwestern France. On 1 January 2017, it was merged into the commune Isigny-sur-Mer.

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Talk:British Rail/to do

 * Trim down history, especially where it overlaps with History of rail transport in Great Britain 1948 - 1994
 * Improve general articles on diesel locomotives of British Rail to complement List of British Rail classes
 * Add verifiable references for all information in the article
 * Add section on management structure
 * Try to rework the article to make it more readable to non-experts

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Wood Lane tube station (Metropolitan line)

Wood Lane was a station on the London Underground that was located in Shepherd's Bush, west London. It was opened in 1908 on the Hammersmith branch of the Metropolitan Railway (now the Hammersmith & City line), on the viaduct adjacent to the bridge over Wood Lane and close to a station of the same name but on the Central London Railway (now the Central line).

It was closed temporarily in 1914, reopened in 1920 and eventually closed permanently in 1959 at which time it was served by the Metropolitan line.

Exhibition station
The two Wood Lane stations were opened in 1908 to serve the Franco-British Exhibition and the 1908 Olympic Games in the area that was to become known as White City. The Metropolitan Railway's Wood Lane opened with the name Wood Lane (Exhibition) on 1 May 1908 and the Central London Railway's Wood Lane station opened on 14 May 1908. Both were intended to be temporary and to be closed after the exhibition and the Games. Wood Lane (Exhibition) station was closed on 31 October 1914, shortly after the outbreak of the First World War. The other Wood Lane became the permanent western terminus of the Central London Railway.

Reopening
The station was brought back into use on 5 November 1920, with the name Wood Lane (White City), but was open only when an exhibition or event was being staged.

It was served by the Metropolitan line and was between Shepherd's Bush and Latimer Road.

Final renaming and subsequent closure
The Central line's Wood Lane closed, and was replaced by White City station situated just to the north, on 23 November 1947. The Metropolitan line station changed its name to White City on the same date. It retained this name for the remainder of its existence.

Following a fire in which one of the wooden platforms was destroyed, the Metropolitan line White City station was permanently closed. It was last used on 24 October 1959, and the Television Centre complex now runs on both sides of the railway. The station at viaduct level was largely demolished; the ticket office at ground level remains and has been repainted, though is not visible from the street.

The entrance from Wood Lane (and a main entrance to the exhibitions) was situated along a road which no longer exists that ran approximately along the line of the entrance to the Television Centre multi-storey car park. The centre point of the platforms was approximately opposite the largest of the BBC satellite dishes to the west of the line.

As part of the plans for the redevelopment of White City, a new Wood Lane station was built on the Hammersmith & City line. Opened on 12 October 2008, it is on the east side of Wood Lane about 100 m north-east of the former Metropolitan line station.

Latimer Road & Acton Railway
The Latimer Road & Acton Railway (LR&AR), a nominally independent company, proposed a line linking the Hammersmith & City Railway at Wood Lane with the Great Western Railway east of their Acton station. The H&CR initially insisted that the LR&AR built a separate exchange station at Wood Lane, rather than using the existing platforms. The GWR wanted the LR&AR to also build a separate Acton station, and a house was demolished at Friar's Place for this.

The railway was authorised by act in 1882, but between 1885 and 1893 four acts for extensions of time were needed, as the LR&A Company could not reach agreement with the Great Western and the Metropolitan for joint-working of the line. When this was finally achieved (confirmed by act in 1895), capital could not be raised. The line was abandoned by act in 1900, after only small parts had been built, including an iron bridge (later demolished) over the North & South Western Junction Railway near the current Westway road bridge. The later Ealing & Shepherd's Bush Railway followed a similar route to the proposed LR&AR line, the Metropolitan ironically promoting a bill in 1912 to connect the Hammersmith & City to this line, which failed on opposition from the Great Western, the Central London Railway, and the District Railway.


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Talk:Parasite Eve (series)

And about the movie
I don't know if i can create a page for the live movie. 18:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)Koko90en

Smell
Is there any point to this section? There is no evidence that this is an in joke from the programmers, and the term "eau de toilette" is a recognised term for perfume (it doesn't literally mean toilet water). If no one objects I will remove it --Crais459 13:26, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

WILL THERE BE A THIRD INSTALMENT OF PARASITES EVE?

If IGN gets a million signatures, apparently, yes. I'm looking forward to seeing what Mitochondrea Eve 3 is like!

Shouldn't there be three different pages OR three different articles?
I mean, this seems to concentrate on the game as it's main being, there should be three seperate articles talking about the novel, game and book, and I'm making Parasite Eve II it's own article.
 * There should only be other articles if there is material for them. If nothing was written (or is intended to be), nothing can be split from here.

 * Additionally, new articles can be requested here.--Kaonashi 05:03, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I didn't play the first game but PEII was awesome, I'd love to see a 3rd installment.

Parasite Eve rocked, PE2 was kinda boring but I'd love to see a third game. The ability to customize weapon in the first game was great.

Regarding speculation on "Eau de toilette" in the "smell" section of PE2 - this is perfume. That is what "Eau de toilette" is - not toilet water - but perfume. Isn't the point of the item that she is putting on perfume? Not actual toilet water.

It appears to have been removed, but I'll comment on it anyway. Yes, that format is what we've come to expect from perfume names. But in literal French, that's exactly what it means: "water of the toilet."

Plagiarism?
Two paragraphs under the section title Book seem to have been more or less copied and pasted from the publisher's description. It even includes the description of the author at the end. Could somebody who's actually familiar with the book (ie: not me) rewrite this section? TheIncredibleEdibleOompaLoompa 02:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Since nobody rewrote this section or even responded, I've cut it down to a sentence or so and provided a link to the publisher. TheIncredibleEdibleOompaLoompa 04:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Big White Space?
I see a pretty big blank white space, between the Parasite Eve and Parasite Eve 2 sections. I wasn't sure how to fix it. Perhaps someone else can.

RobJ1981 13:28, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

There's a blank present because of the seperation syntax template and the lack of text in the article section. -ZeroTalk 13:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Sorry about my inadvertant vandalism; I was trying to correct that blank space and messed up. I think someone else fixed my screwup; many thanks to them! DarkMasterBob 21:02, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry. I thought it was deliberate with the spelling errors and duplication of the section. I see you acted in good faith, please accept my aplogies. I assumed too quickly, there. -ZeroTalk 21:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Not to worry, you saved me from my own fumble. :) Thanks again. DarkMasterBob 21:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Cleanup
Since this article has been recently flagged, I'm hoping more people will come along to help. Now, I have a list of things I think could really help this article (mainly regarding the game), and I'll do a lot of them as soon as I get the game.

 * Cut down the plot section a little for the first game or expand upon the Parasite Eve II plot; keep things consistent and have them mirror each other.
 * Give more information on Parasite Eve II. We have the bare bones of the plot there, next to nothing on gameplay, heck there's only one character mentioned.
 * Add citations. Since these games do seem pretty unpopular, especially the second one, it may be hard to get official sources, so use in-game quotes like many video game articles do (Final Fantasy VIII for example) for references if you have to. Seriously, though, this article has a total of one citation.
 * Get to the point where we can divide the book and movie away from the game. I really think it should be done now, based on the fact that this page, and most of the pages related to Parasite such as the character pages, are basically dominated by information on the game.

Whew, I think that's it. Also, be sure to sign your edits, everyone. Use four of these handy little things ~ to sign. --Trance 05:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I added some links to the minor character page. -84.169.248.87 16:52, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed spoiler tag
I think spoiler tags are good for wikipedia, as sometimes I do not wish to know the plot. However, I think they are way overused, especially if plot information is contained under a line thing that says "Plot" or "Story", than it is unnecessary, -204.218.240.42 10:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

PE 3
I've tried to clean up that section and remove what is largely hinged on rumours (namely the addition of features in the installment of the game, etc.) that seem to be unverifiable by an official Square source and only seem viable on various fan discussion boards and were essentially causing unneeded subsection bloat to the video game section.

I've left a paragraph there, cleaning up numerous typos along the way and trying to phrase sentences in a manner that makes some sense.

If concrete info ever surfaces regarding the game, enough of it will likely warrant the creation of its own article but for the time being, let's try to keep what is largely attributed to fan speculation and rumours off the article here in order to avoid confusion and keep as clear a factual representation as possible. --71.156.85.133 08:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

A new game in the PE series has been announced for cellphones, although that is all that is known at this time.(http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155390)Sfanatic 18:39, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

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Status -> checking?
Why did you move Status to Checking? Please excuse me if I'm missing something obvious about that entry. Chazzoz 21:59, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)

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User talk:ThrashCardiom

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Jerry Grafstein

Jerry S. Grafstein, B.A., J.D., Q.C. (born January 2, 1935), is a Canadian lawyer, businessman, and politician who served in the Senate of Canada from 1984 to 2010. Grafstein was the longest-serving member of the Standing Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade. He served as co-chair of the Canada-United States Inter-Parliamentary Group and as a senior officer of the Organization for Security and Co-Operation in Europe (OSCE) Parliamentary Assembly for over a decade.

Grafstein is a former partner of Minden Gross LLP, a business law firm in Toronto in communications law, corporate financing, and administrative law.

Grafstein is also known as one of the founders of CityTV, MTV-Multilingual (now Omni TV), YTV, and a series of other media companies in Canada, the United States, South America, and Europe. He served on the board of several enterprises, including Petro-Canada.

Most recently, he co-founded a series of online newspapers, including The Wellington Street Post (Ottawa), The Penn Ave Post (Washington, DC), Israel News Cloud, HollyPost (Hollywood, California), China News Cloud, Africa News Cloud, Brazil News Cloud, India News Cloud, Russia News Cloud, Fashion News Cloud, and Animation News.

Grafstein is well known for his participation in the community and his key role in the organization of events such as "Canada Loves New York" in the aftermath of September 11, "Toronto Rocks" Concert during the SARS outbreak, and the "Canada for Asia" telethon for relief aid of tsunami victims.

Grafstein holds numerous awards, including honorary chief of the New York City Fire Department and honorary commandant of the US Marine Corps by the Canada-United States Inter-Parliamentary Group. He was named one of Canada's 100 most important "public intellectuals" in 2005 by the National Post.

Early life
Grafstein was born Jerahmiel Samson Grafstein in London, Ontario, on January 2, 1935, the son of Solomon S. Grafstein and Helen Rose Grafstein (née Bleeman). His late sister was Pauline Wayne. His father came to Canada in 1927 after he had served in the Polish Army during the First World War and then the Polish-Soviet War (1919-1921). He married in 1930 in Toronto and settled in London that year.

Grafstein was raised in London and attended public primary and high schools. He was active in sports, school governance, and acting and served as an officer in the Army Cadets.

He completed his undergraduate studies at the University of Western Ontario in 1955, where was active in debates and acted in local theatre and musicals.

Legal career
Grafstein graduated from the University of Western Ontario in 1955 and from the University of Toronto Law School in 1958. He was admitted to the Bar of Ontario in 1960. While at law school, he was active in intramural sports at Hart House, debates, and class governance and received the highest standing in international law. He was a member of the Bar of North West Territories for almost a decade in the 1970s and early 1980s. He lectured in commercial law and later instructed in the Bar Admissions Course at Osgoode Hall Law School. He has given lectures to law students on the role of lawyers in civil society. Grafstein is a former partner of Minden Gross LLP, a business law firm in Toronto in communications law, corporate financing and administrative law.

He served as chairman of the Media and Communications Law subsection of the Canadian and Ontario Bar Associations.

Grafstein was appointed Queen's Counsel by the province of Ontario in 1972.

Since his retirement from the Senate on January 2, 2010, Grafstein has served as counsel to Minden Gross LLP in Toronto, a firm he joined in 1960.

Liberal Party of Canada and Canadian government
Starting in 1961, Grafstein held offices of the Liberal Party of Canada from the riding level to national campaigns. He was active in federal, provincial, and municipal elections for over four decades. He has taken a leading role in mayoralty elections in Toronto since 1960. In 1966, he founded and edited the Journal of Liberal Thought. During 1966-1968 he served in Ottawa as executive assistant to John Turner, then Registrar General of Canada, and later as special advisor to the Department of Consumer and Corporate Affairs during its founding period.

From 1974 to 1986, he co-founded and was president of Red Leaf Communications Company, the advertising consortium for the Liberal Party of Canada during national elections.

He also served as advisor to the Ministry of Transport and the Canadian International Development Agency of the Department of External Affairs and as a member of the Department of Justice Advisory Committee.

Senate of Canada
In January 1984, Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau appointed Grafstein to the Senate of Canada.

He was elected vice-chair of the Toronto Liberal Caucus and served for over two decades.

Grafstein was the longest serving member of the Standing Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, served on the Senate Standing Committee on Agriculture and Forestry, and served from time to time on all Senate committees, including Legal and Constitutional Affairs. He served in the Special Senate/Commons Committee in its review of Canada's foreign policy.

He was a chairman of the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce. During his chairmanship, the committee completed twenty reports, including the following special reports:

 * Falling Behind: Answering the Wake-up Call; What can be done to improve Canada’s Productivity Performance?
 * The Public Good and Private Funds: The Federal Tax Treatment of Charitable Giving By Individuals and Corporations.
 * Passports and PASS Cards, Identity and Citizenship: Implementing the WHTI
 * Stemming the Flow of Illicit Money: A Priority for Canada: Parliamentary Review of the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) and Terrorist Financing Act
 * The Demographic Time Bomb: Mitigating the Effects of Demographic Change in Canada
 * Consumer Protection in the Financial Services Sector: The Unfinished Agenda.

He also initiated the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce special studies on hedge funds and Canada's interprovincial trade barriers. He was a member of the Special Joint Senate and Commons Committee on a Review of Canada's Foreign Policy.

He has long advocated national standards for clean drinking water and introduced numerous private member's bills on mapping and safeguarding Canada's fresh water resources.

Grafstein was the longest serving co-chair of the Canada-United States Inter-Parliamentary Group (the largest inter-parliamentary group in Canada) for 15 years. In that capacity, he advocated Canadian issues to senators, congressmen, state legislators, governors, and Canada-United States border alliances in states and cities across America.

Grafstein introduced numerous resolutions and a private member's bill to establish a national portrait gallery in Ottawa, co-sponsored a private member's bill in the Senate establishing Holocaust Memorial Day in Canada in 1998, and introduced a private member's bill that established the Parliamentary Poet Laureate in 2001. He also introduced a private member's bill (Bill 215) to amend the Criminal Code for the explicit inclusion of "suicide bombing" as a definition of terrorism, which became part of the Canadian Criminal Code in 2011.

In 1988, he co-chaired the Preparatory Committee for the G7 Economic Summit held in Toronto.

On retirement from the Senate in 2010, he received from Parliament the Canadian flag that flew over Parliament (the "Two Week Flag") and from Congress, the American flag that flew over the US Capitol in Washington (the "One Day Flag") in recognition of his political activities in Canada and the United States, respectively.

International affairs
In July 2007, Grafstein was elected vice president of the Organization for Security and Co-Operation in Europe (OSCE) Parliamentary Assembly, the world's largest parliamentary organization dedicated to human rights, democratic rights, economic security and co-operation (after he had served as its treasurer for six years), and served as president of the Liberal, Democratic Reform Group there for a decade. He served as vice chair and chair of the Standing Committee on Economic Affairs, Science, Technology and the Environment. He served on the OSCE election monitoring missions throughout Eastern Europe and, more recently, in Georgia, Ukraine and Montenegro, and on resolving "frozen foreign conflicts." He co-sponsored numerous resolutions condemning racism and antisemitism at the OSCE PA and in the Parliament of Canada.

Grafstein co-chaired Middle East Economic Partnership forums held throughout Europe and across the Mediterranean. In September 2008 he co-hosted the first OSCEPA meeting held in Toronto. Highlights included the Georgian Crisis and a Mediterranean Forum, which he co-chaired.

He served on many Parliamentary Friendship Groups in Europe (east and west), Asia, North Africa and South America. In the fall of 2007, he was elected vice president of the Canada-Pakistan Parliamentary Friendship Group.

In 2009, he was elected vice chairman of the Canadian Armenian Parliamentary Friendship Group. He served as a member of the International Political Committee for Co-existence between Muslims and Jews.

In April 2009, Grafstein helped organize a counter-conference in New York City in the follow-up UN Human Rights Conference on Durban, held in Geneva, to combat antisemitism and lectured on the topic across Europe, Canada, and the United States. He co-sponsored numerous successful resolutions at the OSCE PA meetings across Western and Eastern Europe against racism and antisemitism.

In May 2009, while he was a senator, he helped organize and was a keynote speaker at the OSCE PA Economic Conference in Dublin, Ireland.

Grafstein served as a member of Canada/Germany Atlantik-Brücke for over a decade.

He is currently first vice-president of the International Council of Jewish Parliamentarians.

Business career
Grafstein had wide-ranging legal and business experience in all aspects of media, including television, cable, radio, telephony, telecommunications microwave, high speed wireless data transmission, advertising, production, distribution, publishing, and financing.

From 1979 to 1984, he served on the board of Petro-Canada, was a member of the Northwest Territorial Bar, and served as counsel to Northwest Territorial Airways for almost a decade. He then traveled across the far north extensively.

He was a co-founder of a range of media companies, especially broadcasting/communications/ publication enterprises, including: CUC Broadcasting Limited (Canada's fifth largest cable MSO before it was acquired by Shaw Communications in 1995, now Canada's second largest cable MSO); national specialty TV channels in lifestyle, youth (YTV) and music; CityTV (Canada's first independent UHF station); MTV-Multilingual Television (Toronto) (Canada's first independent multilingual broadcasting station – now OMNI TV); CUC Cablevision (UK) Limited (Telecential) (now part of one of the United Kingdom's larger cable MSOs); Northern Communications, Ontario a Northern Ontario Company, comprising cable, TV (CBC and CTV) and radio stations – French and English. He co-founded one of the longest private microwave companies in Canada that ran from Windsor to Toronto to mid-Northern Ontario, Canbras Communications Corporation, (now part of Brazil's third largest cable MSO); and Multivision Communications Corp. (Bolivia's largest MMDS Hyper Cable and cable MSO). He served on the board of Ukraine Enterprise Corporation, which made early investments in Ukraine.

He was also a lead director of Toronto Life Publishing Company Limited, which published Toronto Life (after it merged with Toronto Calendar) and Toronto Life Fashion, two of Canada's leading lifestyle and fashion magazines, and co-founded Toronto Life Fashion File, which is now seen on television around the world.

In addition, he served as a governor of the Canadian Opera Company and, for over a decade, was the chairman and a board member of the O'Keefe Centre (now "Sony Centre for the Performing Arts"), Canada's largest public performing arts centre. He served on the board of the Shaw Festival (Canada's leading theatrical festival dedicated to the works of George Bernard Shaw and his contemporary playwrights), the planning committee of the Stratford Festival (Canada's leading theatrical festival dedicated to the plays of William Shakespeare), and the Festival of Festivals (now the Toronto International Film Festival). He served as chairman of the City of Toronto Asia/Pacific Committee and vice-chairman of the Toronto-Chongqing Association and Toronto-Frankfurt Friendship Association.

In 2011 and 2012, he cofounded and currently serves as chair of The Wellington Street Post, The Penn Ave Post, Israel News Cloud and HollyPost, in a network of online 24/7 news sites around the globe. Those news sites use technology to bring together the diversity of the blogosphere and social networks into timely news and information coverage of political news from Ottawa and Washington, and entertainment news from Hollywood. Other international projects include China News Cloud, Africa News Cloud, Brazil News Cloud, India News Cloud and Russia News Cloud. 2013 additions to the network include Fashion News Cloud and Animation News.

Community
For over a decade, Grafstein served on the Board of the League for Human Rights of B'nai B'rith and the Joint Community Relations Committee of Toronto in the 1960s and 1970s.

He served as co-chairman of Toronto Committee for the Group of Seven Economic Summit in Toronto in 1988. He served as a member of the executive for the Toronto 1996 and 2008 Olympic Bid Committees.

In 1998, the Grafstein Annual Lecture in Communications was established by Grafstein to commemorate the 40th anniversary of his graduation from the University of Toronto Faculty of Law and the 10th anniversary of the graduation of his son, Laurence Grafstein, and daughter-in-law, Rebecca Grafstein (née Weatherhead), both from the Class of 1988. The Grafstein Lecture is hosted by the Centre for Innovation Law and Policy at the Faculty of Law. He and his wife, Carole, established the Grafstein Chair in Jewish Philosophy at the University of Toronto the following year.

Grafstein co-organized "Canada Loves New York" in November 2001, when over 26,000 Canadians visited New York City after September 11, to assist New York City's recovery, which was called "the largest peaceful invasion of Canadians since the War of 1812."

In 2001, Grafstein was given the War Chief's tomahawk of the Northern Peigan Tribe (Blackfoot Confederacy) of Alberta for advancing the cause of clean drinking water on First Nations' Reserves across Canada.

On April 4, 2003, Grafstein co-organized, with Friends of America, a pro-Ametican rally at Nathan Phillips Square in Toronto with over 1,000 participants.

In July 2003, he co-created and co-organized "Toronto Rocks" to offset the negative impact on Toronto in the global media as a result of the SARS outbreak. Headlined by the Rolling Stones, it is considered to be the largest ticketed band concert in history and was attended by almost half-a-million people. In December 2004, Grafstein co-organized "Canada for Asia", a three-hour broadcast telethon in aid of relief for tsunami victims that raised over $15,000,000.

On August 5, 2014, Grafstein led more than 500 Canadians, including five Members of Parliament and a senator, on a solidarity mission to Jerusalem.

Awards and honours
In 1992, Grafstein was the recipient of the 125th Anniversary of the Confederation of Canada Medal.

In December 1996, he was named the "Man of the Year" by the Chabad Lubavitch of Ontario.

In 2002, Grafstein was the recipient of the Queen Elizabeth II Golden Jubilee Medal.

In 2003, Grafstein was honoured by the Canadian Society of New York for his dedication to strengthening ties between Canada and the United States. As a senator, he was made an honorary chief of the New York City Fire Department and an honorary commandant of the US Marine Corps by the Canada-United States Inter-Parliamentary Group.

On November 4, 2005, he was named one of Canada's 100 most important "Public Intellectuals" by the National Post in its series "Beautiful Minds." On November 12, 2005 he was made a Duke of Friulani, Italy (Ducato dei Vini Friulani).

In November 2010, the Canadian Friends of the Hebrew University (CFHU) created The Honourable Jerry and Carole Grafstein Network for Cancer Research at the Institute For Medical Research, Israel-Canada (IMRIC), part of the Faculty of Medicine of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Later in 2011, the CFHU named him "Man of the Year" in Toronto.

On November 27, 2011, he was installed as honorary chairman of the Board of Governors of the Canadian Yeshiva & Rabbinical School, University of Toronto, at its inaugural convocation, the first such rabbinical school of its kind in Canada.

On July 7, 2014, Grafstein was honoured by Chief Ron Cooper of the Mohawk Nation and presented with a handcrafted lacrosse stick.

Grafstein is the president and chairman of the National Board for the Canadian Friends of the Tel Aviv University and a governor of Tel Aviv University.

Author
Grafstein has written numerous articles and delivered papers on broadcasting regulations; communications; computers; travel; international relations; technology; transportation, politics; international trade; and constitutional matters in Canada, the United States, and Europe.

He has written articles on key aspects of the public life of Winston Churchill.

His first book, Beyond Imagination, is an anthology of some of Canada's outstanding authors and poets that he edited; it published by McClelland & Stewart Inc. in 1995. His second book, The Making of the Parliamentary Poet Laureate : Based on a Private Member's Bill , was published by the Porcupine's Quill.

He co-authored his third book, The Passage Through Parliament to Establish Holocaust Memorial Day, in Canada in 2004.

His fourth book, Suicide Bombings: Parliament Speaks, is the parliamentary history of Bill 215, an Act to amend the Criminal Code (Suicide Bombing) and was published in 2012.

Personal life
Grafstein is married to Carole (née Sniderman), a community activist, a volunteer leader, a leading fundraiser for cancer research across Canada, and a member of the Order of Canada. They have two sons: Laurence and Michael.

Laurence Grafstein was a Rhodes Scholar and president of the Oxford Union and is now a New York investment banker married to Rebecca (née Weatherhead) from Winnipeg, a member of the Ontario and New York Bars.

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Iggie Wolfington

Ignatius "Iggie" Wolfington (October 14, 1919 – September 30, 2004) was an American actor. He was the youngest member of the prominent Wolfington family of Philadelphia, operators of a carriage business early in the 20th century and brother of the founder of Wolfington Body Company in Exton, Pennsylvania. He married Lynn Wood, an actress, in 1972.

Early life
Wolfington was born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He attended West Philadelphia Catholic High School, then studied at the Bessie V. Hicks School of Drama.

Wolfington served with distinction in the 102nd Infantry Division (United States) at the Battle of the Bulge during World War II. He received a battlefield commission as a first lieutenant. He was awarded the Silver Star for his role in saving thirty men. He also received the Purple Heart for wounds he received in battle. At his death he was buried with full military honors, at Arlington National Cemetery.

Career
A life member of The Actors Studio, Wolfington is best known for originating the role of Marcellus Washburn in the Broadway musical The Music Man, starring Robert Preston, which earned Wolfington a nomination for the 1958 Tony Award for Best Performance by a Featured Actor in a Musical. Buddy Hackett was cast in the role for the 1962 movie version. Wolfington appeared as Mayor Shinn in the short-lived 1980 Broadway revival of The Music Man, starring Dick Van Dyke. He also played the role of Chef Ellsworth in "Mrs. McThing", a 1952 play which featured Helen Hayes.

Wolfington worked in the earliest days of live television, then later became a familiar face on TV appearing in several popular programs including Gunsmoke (“Mad Dog”, 1967), Get Smart, The Andy Griffith Show, The Waltons, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, Fantasy Island, and The Rockford Files. He made a few television movies, and also appeared in TV commercials. Wolfington appeared in several motion pictures including Penelope (1966), Hex (1973), Herbie Rides Again (1974), The Strongest Man in the World (1975), Telefon (1977) and 1941 (1979).

Labor union officer
For many years, Wolfington was a council member of the Actors' Equity Association, a New York City-based labor union for stage actors. In 1969, he saw the need for a West Coast office of the Actors' Fund of America to provide medical and financial assistance to actors beyond New York. Until that time, stage actors outside of New York had experienced difficulty securing adequate support from the headquarters there. Wolfington handled over 10,000 cases in the fifteen years preceding his 2004 death in Studio City, California.

Awards
Wolfington received the following awards:
 * Screen Actors Guild Life Achievement Award
 * Philip Loeb Humanitarian Award
 * Los Angeles Drama Critics Circle Award

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Talk:Donner Party

Shot and Ate the Native Guides
"William Foster shot the pair, believing their flesh was the rest of the group's last hope of avoiding imminent death from starvation." This has got to be the most surprising sentence in the article, and it's pretty much buried. For posterity: Thanks to Yogesh Khandke for the above references. 50.48.129.86 (talk) 01:02, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) Sutter who arranged the rescue of the party is quoted, "They killed and ate first the mules, then the horses, and finally they killed and ate my good Indians."
 * 2) William H. Eddy claimed that Salvador and Luis were shot in the head by William Foster. Another account quotes Captain Sutter, who recounted survivor testimonies, saying Luis and Salvador were "caught while scratching away [in] the snow for acorns and devoured."
 * I agree the double murder is way too deeply buried in the article details where few people will find it. I've tried adding a reference to it in the lead but was reverted. I'll soon open a separate section to discuss that. Gawaon (talk) 09:03, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The sentence, as currently worded ("William Foster shot the pair, believing their flesh was the rest of the group's last hope of avoiding imminent death from starvation.") is also clearly non-neutral. Supposedly Foster would have subsequently justified the murder in such a way, but how exactly should we know what he believed? We can't look into his head. Moreover, the cited source (Johnson, p. 62) doesn't even explicitly say anything about his motives, but rather:

"They had not proceeded above two miles, when they cam into a small patch of snow, where they found the tracks of Lewis and Salvadore, for the first time since Mr. Eddy informed them of their danger. Foster immediately said that he would follow them, and kill them if he came up with them. They had not proceeded more than two miles when they came upon the Indians, lying upon the ground, in a totally helpless condition. They had been without food for eight or nine days, and had been four days without fire. They could not, probably, have lived more than two or three hours; nevertheless, Eddy remonstrated against their being killed. Foster affirmed that he was compelled to do it. Eddy refused to see the deed consummated, and went on about two hundred yards, and halted. Lewis was told that he must die; and was shot through the head. Salvadore was dispatched in the same manner immediately after. Mr. Eddy did not see who fired the gun. The flesh was then cut from their bones and dried. (Johnson, pp. 62–63)"
 * So, their flesh was dried, which also refutes the idea that it was a matter of "imminent ... starvation". And, as the previous paragraph states, the question of murdering the two men had already been discussed a week earlier, before Eddy's subsequent warning made them leave. Therefore I suggest rewording the sentence as follows, to bring it in line with the source and with the known facts:

"William Foster shot the pair, thus realizing his plans from before they had left; their bodies were then defleshed and their flesh dried for consumption.(ref: Johnson, pp. 62–63)"
 * I'm proposing this here first so we can discuss it, but unless there are counterproposals, I'll make that change in a few days. Gawaon (talk) 11:19, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the desire to remain as neutral as possible. The issue I have is, once we have the supporting citation, we need to be blunt in our wording. In my mind it's a question of communicating impact. I much prefer:
 * William Foster shot both men, as he had planed from the outset. Their bodies were then butchered and the flesh left to dry for later consumption.
 * ... but that's just me. Padillah (talk) 13:33, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have now changed the sentence, using a mix of your wording and mine. Gawaon (talk) 10:30, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I also suggest changing "were close to death" to "were probably close to death" in the preceding sentence, following the account given in Johnson, which uses the word "probably" too. We cannot simply make assumptions that are not covered by the sources, and omitting that word here would be such an assumption. Gawaon (talk) 12:08, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Changed as well. Gawaon (talk) 10:30, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Add Johnson to "Further Reading" section
I notice that Johnson's Unfortunate Emigrants is currently missing from the Further Reading section, though it's quoted extensively throughout the article and is clearly essential reading, collecting all the first-hand accounts of the events. Therefore I propose adding it there – or are they objections? Gawaon (talk) 18:28, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The general practice is to list a book only once. Johnson's book is in the bibliography with all the best soures. The "further reading" section contains sources which have not been cited for various reasons. It's kind of the section. Binksternet (talk) 23:56, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I see, that makes sense. But the "Bibliography" current appears as the less prominent section, being nested under "References" and printed in a smaller font. Maybe it would be better to promote it to a   section and remove the   template to make it clear that it's no less important than the "Further reading"? Gawaon (talk) 10:41, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Since there were no objections, I have now changed the Bibliography formatting accordingly. Gawaon (talk) 11:06, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Who is Charles T. Stanton?
Charles T. Stanton is first mentioned in the section "Wasatch Range": Reed, Charles T. Stanton and William Pike rode ahead to get Hastings. He is not among those listed in the article as members of the Donner Party and there is no explanation as who he is. Sansgloire (talk) 12:13, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

"Bear Valley"
The "Bear Valley" linked in the Forlorn Hope section of the article is verifiably not the same Bear Valley that the expedition was attempting to reach. Bear Valley, Alpine County, California is significantly further south than the winter camps.

I am reasonably confident that the Bear Valley referred to in the original source is the valley of the Bear River (Feather River tributary), which is mentioned earlier in the article and much closer to the camps. ButterscotchPuffin (talk) 02:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

 * I think it's actually neither of those, and it doesn't have a Wikipedia article. I believe it's here on Google Maps. I have removed the link accordingly. If I am wrong or you find a Wikipedia article for the place please let me know. –CWenger ( ^ •  @ ) 03:04, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree, that is the place I was trying to signify. I apologize if that wasn't clear. ButterscotchPuffin (talk) 04:31, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah you're right, it is Bear River (Feather River tributary), I thought it was yet another Bear River in California. Is it worth linking, you think? –CWenger ( ^ •  @ ) 04:53, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Probably is worth linking. Needs to be clear where it's referring to.
 * California really needs to get more original with naming it's rivers. ButterscotchPuffin (talk) 04:58, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Great catch by the way! –CWenger ( ^ •  @ ) 05:16, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Inconsistencies in the party members
I tabled out the people mentioned as being part of the various groups and ran into some issues. (I got very lost in the names and thought a table would help me understand better.)

1. "Also traveling with the Donner brothers were teamsters Hiram O. Miller (29)" this particular teamster is never mentioned again.

2. Charles Stanton, who gets a portrait on the page, and Antonio both appear without any indication of how or where; the Donner Party timeline page mentions both as being members of the Donner group.

3. "Two young single men named Spitzer and Reinhardt traveled with another German couple, the Wolfingers, who were rumored to be wealthy; they also had a hired driver, "Dutch Charley" Burger." Although Joseph Reinhardt is mentioned again, Dutch Charley is not, and the only Spitzer mentioned is Augustus Spitzer, which implies them both to be duplicates of Augustus Spitzer and Charles Burger. Both of them were earlier classed as Donner group teamsters rather than Wolfinger's, and are classed as such on the Donner Party timeline page again.

4. "the Donner families hastily constructed tents to house 21 people, including Mrs. Wolfinger, [and] her child" this is the only mention of Mrs. Wolfinger's child in the entire article, and the 12 children mentioned are already filled by the various Donner children.

Related to 1 and 2 possibly: there's an offhand mention on leaving from Blacks Fork of "Donner hired a replacement driver". No reason is given for why he needed to hire a replacement, nor who the replacement is. It seems plausible that Hiram Miller left and was replaced with Charles Stanton or Antonio, but I don't have any idea of where to look in the references to check for the reality of the situation. If nothing else, that one sentence needs clarification.

Because of these inconsistencies, there are a minimum of 88 people mentioned, and if you include Sarah Keyes, Luis and Salvador, and the Wolfinger child, that number goes up to 92. This is two more than Stephen McCurdy's number. It seems likely that the Wolfinger child is not particularly historically attested, but the other extra person is unclear. I assume it's Hiram Miller, but, again, that's my supposition rather than a researched answer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.77.121.239 (talk • contribs) 03:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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Mogi Guaçu

Mogi Guaçu is a municipality in the state of São Paulo in Brazil. The population is 153,033 (2020 est.) in an area of 813 km2. The city is at an average elevation of 591 m above sea level. Mogi Guaçu is a place name that probably originates from the Tupi language. It means "large river of snakes". The city was founded on April 9, 1877.

The municipality contains the 469 ha Mogi-Guaçu Biological Reserve, a fully protected conservation area created in 1942.

The Autódromo Velo Città is a motorsport racetrack opened in 2012, located 20 km northeast of the city of Mogi Guaçu.

Media
In telecommunications, the city was served by Companhia Telefônica Brasileira until 1973, when it began to be served by Telecomunicações de São Paulo. In July 1998, this company was acquired by Telefónica, which adopted the Vivo brand in 2012.

The company is currently an operator of cell phones, fixed lines, internet (fiber optics/4G) and television (satellite and cable).

Sister Cities

 * 🇧🇷 Estiva Gerbi, Brazil
 * 🇧🇷 Itapira, Brazil
 * 🇧🇷 Mogi Mirim, Brazil

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Optimus Prime (person) (0th nomination)

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was - no consensus

Optimus Prime (person)
Article is about an unidentifiable person who has changed their name to that of a fictional robot in a cartoon show. He has done nothing that deserves to be in an encyclopedia, and none of the information could reliably be verified. Astrotrain 18:05, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Briefly newsworthy, but not notable in the long term. Delete. --L33tminion 19:42, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * Easily verified, see [WKYC] for example. The decision should be based on wider notability, which I'm not sure Mr Prime has. Average Earthman 19:49, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. I heard about this prank, I said "Oh", and never gave it a second thought (until now). Not notable. --Improv 20:46, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable or encyclopedic. Ntk 20:54, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Actualy it is no prank... merge it under Transformers_(toyline) or Optimus Prime... however he is not noteworthz enought to warrant his own article... --Asmodai 22:53, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Optimus Prime. -Sean Curtin 01:13, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * Rm This doesn't need its own article, to which Mr. H. K. Phooey will attest. Chris 07:27, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Is that 'remove' or 'redirect and merge'? (The reason makes the vote seem ambiguious :)  — siro  χ  o
 * Perhaps someone should take a passing glance at my user page, or any of my other votes throught the list 8-) Chris 02:58, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge with Optimus Prime. Gamaliel 08:41, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect. Or merge and delete if the edit history makes that achievable. —Rory ☺ 15:38, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * M/R makes the most sense. Its trivia, but we have trivia in many articles. Just keep it short   — siro  χ  o  19:48, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * It shouldn't be merged or directed, just deleted. Anyone can change their name to that of a character/famous person, and many have. We don't list them, so we shouldn't list this person, if he even exists. 158.180.64.10 08:07, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep the article is true and entertained me. Dmn / [[User talk:Dmn|Դմն ]] 17:18, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. I have a soft spot for the notably eccentric.  And we obviously have more information on him than "changed his name to that of a cartoon robot."  Postdlf 03:02, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge a summary into Optimus Prime. Might not need to bother with a redirect. ~leif 04:46, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.