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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ann Trindade

Ann Trindade was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was no consensus—page kept. Cool Hand Luke  19:48, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Not to be invidious, and quite aware that I'm less notable than Ms. Trindade, I googled her and found lots of Wikipedia mirrors and similar pages, and only the information that she's an associate professor and has written a book. Lots, and lots, and lots of people are the one and/or have done the other. — Bill 16:39, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep - I waffled about this before deciding to invest some time in updating; as the author of a book that is referenced as a source in another article, I think she is a link in the web of authority that the encyclopedia as a whole rests on, just as we have an article about Livy, one of whose purposes is to address the believability of the many bits of info for whom Livy is our sole source. (Ironically, Ms. Trindade's material is probably far more factually accurate than Livy.) Lack of Google hits for a real live professional historian just proves that the net is a crappy source of info, but we knew that already. :-) Stan 17:59, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete. I worked as an editorial assistant at the book review section of a history journal (The Historian) for four years and I can say from first-hand experience that dozens upon dozens of books are written on history by dozens upon dozens of authors each and every year.  Unless it can be proven that she is notable for some other reseaon than being a history professor and having published a book or two (even if some of her works are considered "definitive" on relatively minor or obscure subjects), then this person not only fails to be encyclopedic in her own right, but also opens up this resource to hundreds of articles on completely unremarkable, though important in their own way, history scholars. Indrian 18:06, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)

 * K Wolfman 20:44, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Berengaria: In Search of Richard the Lionheart's Queen Amazon.com Sales Rank in Books: #1,178,128. For comparison, when I wrote part of the article on Jack London I referenced Jack London's Women, by Clarice Stasz, a well-written, well-researched biography by a professor at Sonoma State College who is a recognized authority on London. Amazon.com Sales Rank in Books: #1,184,336. So I'm going to say these two academics and their books are broadly comparable. Both are indeed part of our web of authority. Both are acknowledged, by citation in our articles on Berengaria of Navarre and Jack London, respectively. Both are more notable than I. In the case of Clarice Stasz I feel confident that she does not merit an encyclopedia article about her. So, I make the same judgement about Ann Trindade. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 21:32, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Why not an article on Clarice Stasz? She's probably more notable than many of the forgotten academics whose bios have been carefully collected from 1911EB. Acknowledgement in a citation is not really sufficient to inform the reader about the level of trust to put in the reference, because for instance it can't say whether the purported authority is a novelist dabbling in nonfiction or a serious academic. In fact, in the process of dissing Stasz, you dropped a couple bits of info that the serious student of Jack London ought to know, but without an article, the info will be lost when this discussion is deleted. (I realize this is an additional level of depth that maybe WP is not ready for yet, and that I should just be glad when articles even have references in the first place. :-) ) Stan 03:38, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Dissing? And here I thought I was complimenting her... [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:44, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, you mention her key notability, then say it's still not good enough. I should send her email - "forget this boring Jack London stuff - murder the department head with an axe, and WP's front page is yours". 1/2 :-) Stan 03:21, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: nonnotable academic. Wile E. Heresiarch 22:50, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. The subject of her book only gets 1000 hits (one says "Among the least-known European queens, Berengaria of Navarre may head the roster."), despite being a political player involved with several European nation-states around the time of the Crusades (she was married to Richard I of England, a political marriage to create ties to Navarre--she was also the last of a previously reigning royal line), so I don't think the comparison to the author of a book about somebody as famous and contemporary as Jack London (424,000 hits) is a fair comparison. Note that if you search the name on amazon.com, her book is cited as a reference for a broader book about that time period (The Death of Kings: Royal Deaths in Medieval England). Niteowlneils 02:29, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete: We're not debating Berengaria, but Trindade, and not her, but this article. This article sets her up as Jane Doe, Academic.  It gives her book.  That makes her book's subject notable and her book a notable reference for that subject, but it does not make this professor encyclopedic.  Did she do something?  Has she established a new trend in history?  Did she get a department organized around her?  Most of the books by Stanley Fish are out of date or not that important (in my UNC point of view), but the man changed English departments.  A fine book is a fine book.  The author isn't the subject (unless it's by Eve Sedgewick). Geogre 05:06, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. NeoJustin 10:49 Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)

 * Neutral. Don't care much either way, since no one has put much work into this, and the subject is a person who would be roughly marginal for inclusion. If anyone has indication of more notability, I'd be glad to see it, and would consider a vote to keep. - Jmabel | Talk 06:53, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep. Radman1 16:14, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Most academics can probably claim to be the expert on some subject, however small.  That doesn't automatically make the academic notable, even if the subject is. Isomorphic 00:40, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment It occurs to me that Criteria for inclusion of biographies is particularly relevant here—specifically, "The professor test—If the individual is more well known and more published than an average college professor, they can and should be included." This reduces the problem to one of determining how Trindade compares to "an average college professor." Too bad the page doesn't quantify how well known or how published an average college professor is! [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:42, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't agree with the proposal at Criteria for inclusion of biographies.  If an author (professor or not) wrote a serious nonfiction book, from a legitimate publisher (not a vanity press), then some reader might want to know more about that author.  I'm not saying we have to drop all other projects and run out to do articles on every author in the world, but if someone has done the article (or even a stub), we might as well keep it. JamesMLane 03:49, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't say I agree with the criterion—you'll notice that page isn't policy, only proposed policy—but I do say it's relevant to consider. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 09:57, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * You know, you have to ask yourself, if Rigrog the Elf is notable, isn't someone who actually does exist and has contributed something to the world of knowledge (hey, we're trying to do that ourselves)? Apparently, her book is definitive on Berengaria (Wikipedia says so!). As for the professor test, the average professor might have published a few journal articles but not a book. I don't think there's any great urge to delete her, since the article is not frivolous, but none either to keep her. So weakly keep, innit.Dr Zen 03:54, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Intrigue 16:46, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep Looks like a pretty definitive historical biography to me.  The Steve  18:18, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Mikkalai 23:55, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep looks notable in her field, definate potential to yeild a short but useful encyclopedia article. Wikipedia is not paper.  — siro  χ  o  14:12, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Keep.  Yes, everyone with a PhD is a world expert on something.  Yes, a lot of people have published books.  But Wikipedia has a lot of storage space.  --L33tminion 17:02, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, the world field of biographers of Berengaria of Navarre isn't bound to be all that sizable. No real danger in keeping, I feel, and besides, I hope there are many more entries on published academics and their works.Keep Lacrimosus 07:41, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Ernest Brown (British politician)

Alfred Ernest Brown (27 August 1881 – 16 February 1962) was a British politician who served as leader of the Liberal Nationals from 1940 until 1945. He was a member of Parliament and also held many other political offices throughout the Second World War.

Biography
Born in Torquay, Devon, Brown was the son of a fisherman and prominent Baptist and it was through following his father that he came to preach, gaining much experience as a public speaker. He soon came to the attention of the local Liberals and became a prominent public speaker at political meetings.

Brown served in the First World War: in 1914 he joined the Sportsman's Battalion and in 1916 was commissioned as an officer in the Somerset Light Infantry. He was mentioned in dispatches and was awarded the Military Cross and Italian Silver Star.

After three unsuccessful attempts in other constituencies, he was elected as a Liberal Member of Parliament (MP) for Rugby in the 1923 general election but lost his seat in the 1924 general election. In 1927 he returned to Parliament in a by-election at Leith. During this time he became a devoted follower of Sir John Simon as the latter became increasingly at odds with the leader of the Liberals, David Lloyd George, and the party's support, from 1929, for the minority Labour government of Ramsay MacDonald. In 1931 he followed Simon in resigning the Liberal party whip and then subsequently in setting up the Liberal Nationals.

In cabinet
In the National Government of Ramsay MacDonald, Brown became Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Health in November 1931. The following year the official Liberal Cabinet ministers resigned from the government and Brown was promoted to become Secretary for Mines. In 1935 when MacDonald was succeeded as Prime Minister by Stanley Baldwin, Brown entered the Cabinet as Minister of Labour. This proved controversial as many believed that the Minister of Transport Leslie Hore-Belisha, had a stronger claim to be the next Liberal National to enter the Cabinet, though as unemployment was one of the government's biggest problems, many others felt that Brown's appointment to the job was not one to envy. He held the post for the next five years under both Baldwin and his successor, Neville Chamberlain. One of his most prominent achievements was the Unemployment Insurance (Agriculture) Act, 1936 which extended social security to nearly all workers in agriculture, forestry and horticulture. In another sphere he oversaw the formation of the National Joint Advisory Committee which assisted in wage control, compulsory arbitration, and direction of labour. He also helped workers in distributing to organise and took great pride when in 1937 the Trades Union Congress passed a unanimous resolution thanking him for this. In 1939 his department was expanded to incorporate overseeing National Service.

Party leadership
When Chamberlain fell in 1940 he was succeeded by Winston Churchill who moved Brown to the position of Secretary of State for Scotland, an unusual move as Brown, despite sitting for a Scottish constituency, was English by birth. At the same time Brown became the leader of the Liberal Nationals after Sir John Simon was transferred to the House of Lords. Brown served as Secretary of State for Scotland for a year before becoming Minister of Health for two years and finally Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster.

Brown's tenure as leader of the Liberal Nationals was one of decline, as the party saw its influence diminish. Many in the party had regretted the division of Liberal forces a decade earlier and Brown undertook negotiations with the Liberal Party leader Sir Archibald Sinclair over a potential reunion, but these talks foundered on the question of continued support for the National Government after the war. The change in the leadership of the Conservatives was also unfavourable and when, in 1945, Churchill formed his "Caretaker" government he did not include Brown or any other senior Liberal Nationals except Lord Rosebery in the Cabinet, despite claiming to head a "National" administration. Brown was instead appointed Minister of Aircraft Production. In the 1945 general election Brown lost his seat.

Retirement and legacy
After the war Brown devoted his attention to the church, often visiting other parts of the Commonwealth.

Brown had a reputation for being a fast speaker and many contemporary political commentators estimated that he could deliver a statement to the House of Commons faster than any other minister. The size of his voice was also noted. Baldwin once saw Brown in a phonebox at the House of Commons and is said to have remarked, "I didn't think he needed a phone to communicate with his constituents." Another more famous story reflecting on Brown's strong voice, is told of when Stanley Baldwin was living at 11 Downing Street he was startled by a great shouting in the building. When informed that it was Ernest Brown talking to Scotland, Baldwin said "Why doesn't he use the telephone?"

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Harads

Harads is a locality situated in Boden Municipality, Norrbotten County, Sweden, approximately 50 kilometers (31 miles) south of the Arctic Circle, with 501 inhabitants in 2010. It is the main village in the parish of Edefors.

Among the key sites of the municipality is the Edefors church, from 1928, designed by Stockholm architect John Åkerlund (1884-1961) in an eclectic style, combining the simplified style of Nordic Classicism with more National Romantic elements. The church replaced an older church, dating from 1888, and designed clearly in the National Romantic style, which had been destroyed in a fire in 1918.

Harads is also the home of the Treehotel complex, devised by entrepreneur Kent Lindvall in 2010, with the "rooms" of the hotel built high into the canopy of a pine forest. The "rooms", each designed by a different architect, are encapsulated in their names, such as "Mirrorcube", "UFO", "Blue Cone", "Bird's Nest". Lindvall argues that the design idea of the hotel is based on the ecological principle of sustainability.

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Australian land hermit crab

The Australian land hermit crab (Coenobita variabilis) is a terrestrial hermit crab species, native to Australia. It is a nocturnal, omnivorous crustacean. They are gregarious and thrive in tropical areas near water.

Distribution
The Australian land hermit crab is endemic to northern parts of Australia including northern Western Australia, Northern Territory and northern Queensland.

Biology
The Australian land hermit crab (Coenobita variabilis) reaches a carapace length of 40 mm. They closely resemble the Pacific hermit crab (Coenobita compressus) in appearance and they both have a shortened aquatic development stage.

Australian land hermit crabs are light brown to pale brown in colour, with two dark ovals on the front of the head. Their eyestalks are long and are the same colour as the body. Each claw has a dark vertical stripe. They have dark brown spots all over the legs. The abdomen is short and fat.

Shell preference
The preferred seashells of C. variabilis include Babylonia, Nerita, Phasianella, Thais, Tonna and Turban seashells. They are also found to be fond of several varieties of land snail shells such as Aratan snail and rice snail.

As the hermit crabs grow, they must exchange their shell for a larger one. Since intact gastropod shells are not an unlimited resource, there is frequently strong competition for the available shells, with hermit crabs fighting over shells. The availability of empty shells depends on the abundance of the gastropods and hermit crabs, but most importantly on the frequency of organisms that prey on gastropods but leave the shells intact. A hermit crab with a shell which is too tight cannot grow as fast as hermit crabs with well-fitting shells, and is more likely to be eaten. Although hermit crabs need to change shells regularly, they will not abandon their old shell unless they have a larger and newer one to change into and unless they feel safe.

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Shahar Vikas Aghadi

Shahar Vikas Aghadi (City Development Front) is a name that has been used by several local political parties and groupings in the Indian state of Maharashtra.

Groups include Shahar Vikas Aghadi in Mira-Bhayendar (existed in 2003), Shahar Vikas Aghadi in Jalgaon (existed in 2002, formed by Nationalist Congress Party leader Sureshdada Jain), Pune Shahar Vikas Aghadi in Pune and Wai Shahar Vikas Aghadi in Wai (existed in 1998).

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Talk:Hockey Night in Canada

European Availability
As a fan who watches HNIC from Europe on the NASN channel, I have edited a few sentences in the relevant section relating to it's availability on that channel.

Worlds Longest Running TV Series?
"It is the world's oldest and longest-running television program". Please clarifiy this hyperbole. Is Hockey Night in Canada the longest running CBC series? It's not the longest running series in television history. The world's longest running TV show is "Meet the Press". It began on NBC-TV on November 6th, 1947, and has been running in the USA for 59 years, non-stop. The daytime soap opera "Guiding Light" began on radio January 25, 1937 on NBC before moving to televison on June 30, 1952 on CBS.

I reorganized the article slightly for coherence -- the top intro part was top-heavy and a bit meandering, so hurt readibility somewhat. Also slightly edited the criticisms for style, and added a couple of books I think are worth checking out on the topic. (Caveat: I've only read the Gruneau book, and it's certainly not a traditional history.) AnotherBDA 21:03, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I've also cleaned up a few of the more obvious grammatical errors. westmt01, 13 Sept 2006

Music theme link
Is the link to the theme suitable for inclusion? I didn't find any real information there, except about buying the sheet music for the theme. I don't think the link adds anything to this article. - Cafemusique 16:44, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Radio/Bias
"As such, many fans have resorted to tuning into their local radio station's broadcast of the game for the commentary and muting the television audio feed." Unless there's a reference for this somewhere, I say this should be removed, I've never heard of ANYONE doing this
 * I do it, so now you've heard of one person doing this. That said, I agree with you: unfortunately, I am not the world and as far as I know it's not very common practice. It should probably go unless it gets a citation. Lord Bob 06:17, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
 * and I do it, too. In Ottawa it's seems to have become a fairly common practice. Especially since a commentator had once exclaimed, during a Senators versus Leafs game, 'what a clean hit by Domi' (that quote is almost verbatum).  I do not think that the term 'clean hit' and 'Domi' have ever been used in the same sentence.

I used to listen to the HNIC theme, then turn down the television and turn on the local sports station to hear the play by play. The timing is a little off, but I find that less irritating the bias from CBC. I have suggested it be renamed the Toronto Broadcasting Corporation and get its funding, not from the federal government but from the City of Toronto. Maybe now that the CBC no longer has to spend the money on Canada's other national anthem, it may afford to split feed the appropriate games to the appropriate cities. I thought when I got a satellite dish and can get all the CBC stations from major Canadian cities I would be able to see the Senators on the Ottawa CBC station, but I was wrong. The Leafs' game is broadcast right across the country.Janice21 (talk) 20:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I pulled it from various NHL team newsgroups, mostly alt.sports.hockey.nhl.vanc-canucks - I will try to find a few concrete examples to back it up Tawker 09:00, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Here's a summary of my changes:
 * I reworded the 2003 Coaches' Corner controversy. "Something that offended Quebec" sounded kind of POV-ish to me, plus it wasn't either all of Quebec or just Quebec that was offended. Then I figured I might as well tell the whole story.
 * I removed mention of The Hockey Classic in Hockey day in Canada since it wasn't part of Hockey Day in Canada, it was part of a plain old doubleheader in the middle of November.
 * A couple of style changes that I felt made the article flow a little better.

Also, I don't get the following passage:

 * Critics of what the show chooses to program allege that the eastern broadcast, in particular, favours teams from Ontario, especially the Toronto Maple Leafs. These critics note that Leafs' games are often aired too early, usually to the detriment of the Ottawa Senators and Montreal Canadiens. The CBC has responded by saying that scheduling Leafs games early makes sense considering budget cutbacks and the relative national popularity of the Maple Leafs.

To me, it seems that two (somewhat opposing) arguments are jammed in together: 1) the Leafs are shown too often 2) the early game starts too early (West Coast Leaf fans?), but I'm far from sure. Any ideas? Usonophile 14:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Nobody's stood up to defend the original sentence in question, so I'm deleting it. --djrobgordon 06:54, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I've found the Globe & Mail article that blasted CBC's non-coverage of the Boom-Boom Geoffrion number retirement, but it's behind a subscriber wall. Is it appropriate to link it here as the citation for that statement? The url is quite long - it's by Roy MacGregor on March 13, 2006 titled "When Boom Boom's legacy rose to Montreal's rafters -- and Leaf Nation missed it" 142.167.154.183 04:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Broadcast of games with 2 American teams
I believe their was also a scheduled game between 2 american teams in 1996, plus they've televised american games in the afternoon as well (same time as FOX or ABC's games), including the last game by Wayne Gretsky. Because of this, I have manualy reverted part of your edit Usonophile. If anyone has more info, please post to this discussion. --Nick Dillinger 17:56, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Complaints of HNIC
It been pointed out (validly so), that Eastcoast hockey fans feel Maple Leafs games get more coverage, then the Senators or Canadiens. However, we should mention that HNIC's French counterpart, doesn't show any Maple Leafs games (unless the Leafs are playing the Canadiens). We should point out possilbe bias both ways, PS I'm a Canadiens fan. GoodDay 22:33, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * SRC no longer holds rights to The NHL. They only air simulcasts of the Montreal games on Saturday Night because people were offended that the SRC would not be televising habs games.  RDS is the actual broadcaster now.--Nick Dillinger 22:58, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. GoodDay

I took out a part about the first game "usually" being a Toronto game. that would mean that more than half the time it was a toronto game. There may be somewhat more Toronto games palyed, but I hardly think that it is neccisary to mention this in the regular season section, as it's covered in the contraversy section. An7drew 02:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I have watched this game on Saturday night for the last 30 years and like to see some changes as far as the intermissions are concerned especially the second intermission with the satellite hotsove.What ever happened to entertaining the young.For instance i remember the Howie Meeker exciting description of certain plays in the game that night.Also i recall a very exciting shoot out format in the intermission with several players.I really feel the intermissions are to business like,except the first with Don Cherry.I'd also like to see highlights of every game that`s going on that night.I find to much coverage about only Canadian teams.I think HNIC should take a look at the NFL and the way they cover all the teams that are playing.Every time the second intermission comes around most people that i know will turn to another channel.HNIC should look to concentrate on entertaining the young kids,they don't want to hear all $ and cents talk I know that i wouldn't if i was yonger.I recommend bringing back the shoot out with the big name players and goalies,that catch the attention of lots young viewers not to mention older gents like me.74.12.27.22 20:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

2006 Playoff Update
Added announcers for the second round of HNIC coverage. Also added a mention of "Behind The Mask" to the regular season part.

--RogueNine 07:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't believe Cole/Neale called the Carolina/Buffalo games.--Nick Dillinger 19:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

History of HNIC?
There's almost nothing on how HNIC started here. The 1952 date is in the Infobox, but except for an extremely brief mention under "Announcers", there's not one word in the text itself explaining why it was started on that date, who gave the go-ahead, how the teams/players/fans reacted, how it related to radio transmissions etc. That's a big omission. 86.143.53.214 09:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Failed GA
Sorry, but this article has 'far too many unsourced statements to be considered worthy of Good Article status. The entire "Criticism" section is unsourced, and if anything, that would be the section most in need of sourcing. Along with all of the unreferenced statements (the "Critcism" section just being a large example), five of the (only) seven references do not contain any information besides an external link; that is, there's no info on the soruce, the author (if any), the access date, etc. There are also a ton of fair use images, and some of them actually feature where the image came from. In addition, there are a few WP:MOS problems, such as italics for TV show titles and lowercase letters in heading titles. But mostly, the problem revolves around a severe lack of sources. When these problems are fixed, and someone feels that the article passes all criteria of WP:WIAGA, feel free to resubmit the page to WP:GAC. Have a great day. -- Kicking222 16:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

GA
OK, I fixed and added to the references. I'm having trouble finding stuff on Programming criticism. Anyone want to coordinate with me? Should we cite what we can and remove the rest? I'm sure it's all true, but can we verify it? - Peregrine Fisher 19:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I'd say give it a week or two before removing the stuff that we can't find refs for. It may take a bit, but I think most of it can be cited. JQF • Talk • Contribs 04:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Origins
This page doesn't dicuss the show's origins as a radio show starring Foster Hewitt!!! Kevlar67 23:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Broadcasters
Should the broadcasters list be updated. All thats on there is the hosts. Tigersfan1992 20:58, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

The only HNIC?
HNIC redirects here. There's a version of this acronym that has history, including a prominent use in the film Lean on Me (film). Not sure if a disambig would be right, so I'm just mentioning it here. --Bobak 23:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The National Anthem?
I added a cite tag to the part under the "Theme song" sub-heading that says the theme "has been referred to as Canada's second national anthem." I don't dispute this - I say this frequently myself! - but there needs to be a citation or it is another "some people say"-type, unencyclopedic bit of misinformation. --InformationalAnarchist 17:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

While reading through this I noticed the line "Which is somewhat true due to tour guides tricking Europeans into thinking it's Canada's national anthem." The article cited infact stated that the band The Shuffle Demons, while on tour in Europe, had a few of their audiences believing that it was the Canadian national anthem after introducing the song as such. I edited the article accordingly. WCSwing (talk) 04:58, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

English
This article really should be checked for English. It appears to have be transliterated from another language, at least in part. 217.132.141.224 23:05, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's it... Kevlar67

 * "transliterated" ...??????? haha. david what! (talk) 19:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

theme song
What about the older theme song, before Dolores Claman's song replaced it? 70.51.9.185 (talk) 09:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

 * The original song was called Saturday's Game and was composed and conducted by Howard Cable. Reggie Perrin (talk) 23:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Rights to song re acquired
TSN is reporting that the CBC has reached a deal in the theme song dispute, im waiting for them to put an article up on their site. david what! (talk) 19:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

so apparently CTV has the rights now, and it will appear on TSN hockey broadcasts. david what! (talk) 19:45, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Somewhat related to this discussion, but since the song will no longer be a part of HNiC and there appears to be enough coverage of the song itself, would it make sense to spin off the section about it into a separate article again? NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 22:27, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind, it seems User:Reginald Perrin has already done so at The Hockey Theme. Good work, Reginald! NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 23:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The entry claims that the rights are to perpetuity but copyright has expiration. Their rights are until the copyright expires! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmgerman (talk • contribs) 22:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe copyright lasts until 50 (or maybe now it's 75) years after the author's death. Since Claman is still alive CTV will have the song for some time to come. There've been recent changes to copyright law so it's possible that it could actually be indefinite if the "legal person" owning the song is CTV rather than Claman. Reggie Perrin (talk) 23:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Theme music section
There is a wide discrepancy between what John Ciccone, the Publishing Copyright Administrator of Copyright Music and Visuals, is saying on his important announcement page (it's the bottom menu option on the left, I can't directly link to it) and what the CBC are saying. Macleans has an article saying "The theme song fiasco is only part of it. The CBC is letting its flagship sink" Macleans

See this link for a more in depth look at whats going on. EccentricCanadian BlogCarrotLore (talk) 21:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Colour broadcast of HNiC
It says that back in '66 all games were shown in colour. This can't be right, because on NHL Network today (well, more accurately, yesterday) I watched a Bruins-Maple Leafs game from 1971. It was broadcast on HNiC and it was in Black and White. So, if there were already colour games, why would this one be in B&W? --Son (talk) 04:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

 * This was before the days of videotape. The telecast you were watching was a kinescope recording of the original broadcast, and the recording was done in black-and-white.  For viewers watching the game live in 1971, they would have watched it in colour if they had a colour television.Djob (talk) 10:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Instant Replay
The article states "Instant replay made its debut on a 1955 HNIC broadcast. CBC director George Retzlaff made a kinescope recording of a goal, and replayed it to the television audience seconds later."

As I understand it, kinescopes consisted of pointing a movie camera at a CRT. How did the director process a roll of film so quickly in order to replay the goal "seconds later"?Pessia (talk) 16:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Hockey Day in Canada
I think it should be split off and have its own article. It's been around for 9 years and there is more than enough content for HDIC to have its own article. If you agree then maybe we can propose a split. I'm not sure exactly how that's done.George Pelltier (talk) 18:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. GoodDay (talk) 02:20, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

There should be a disambig for "HNIC"
Google "HNIC" and you'll find that the far, far more internationally well known version is for the (excuse the language) "Head Nigger In Charge". It's used in popular culture and even films. I'm sure this show is huge in Canada, but there are more people in California and there are nearly as many black people in the United States as the entire population of Canada --not to say anything about the use of the acronym outside North America. This needs to be fixed or at least clearly acknowledged. --75.72.66.9 (talk) 19:56, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * There is a hatnote at the top of the article for an album that stands for what you mentioned. Unless there's an article about the phrase, then there's no need to disam. --CutOffTies (talk) 20:02, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Wednesday on CTV
I followed the NHL closely for a few years in the late 1960s and early 1970s and I'm certain that for all of that time there were games on TV two nights a week: Saturday at 8 pm on CBC and Wednesday at 8 pm on CTV. (That is, it was CTV here in southern Ontario; the games would be on CFTO in Toronto and CKCO in Kitchener.) And I'm reasonably sure that the same announcers were used on Wednesdays as on Saturdays, and I think the title "Hockey Night in Canada" was used for both. If so, then the article needs to cover this. If the same announcers were used but not the title HNIC, then I think it should still be mentioned. I have no idea of how long this arrangement lasted, and I don't remember how it was done in the playoffs when games might be on other nights of the week. --65.94.50.4 (talk) 23:38, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Criticism: Content
The section about criticism of the show's content includes this line: "As of the Rogers-produced Hockey Night, Coach's Corner was noticeably shortened, from as long as 10 minutes to as short as 5—a change that was lampshaded by both Cherry and MacLean during their first segment of the new season."

What does "lampshaded" mean? Jnmwiki (talk) 14:11, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

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