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Talk:BattleTech

History
This is a notification that I have started a discussion on the fate of "History of the BattleTech universe" on its talk page. Scaletail 15:45, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

New name
Everyone that owns any of the books dating back to the time of Fasa it says battletech on them but since Wizkids has taken over all new copis ar enamed as mechwarrior, so going back to y comment in the updates section were I mentioned that Dark age and classic shoud be placed together is correct. An so that there is no confusion I am not talking o the clix or the classic battletech game. these are spinoffs, but not the Mechwarrior/Classic Battletech, and the darkage are the books relating to the universe itself. It i the Battletch Universe but the series as a whole has a new name this would mean that we would have to annouce in the intro that Battletech i the univers itself and that Classic Battletech has been renamed and Dark age the Books are the series is the true nake of odf the series noe. Sorry rambling here can't help sometimes. But we should ponder on this becuase this make the battlteh page less persice.This also leads me to belive just I tried to say in the update area that the battletech page should have mechwarrior and ark age together, right now we treat the dark age materieal noticable to the readers that don't relize that most of the info the are reading is not update. Besides we a massive updating to here we have good amount of info on any of this after the events o fthe clan invasion I see this as sad since how can someone just coming to the series get a undersanding of wealth of history in wich they would inheriting. Pleas elet me know If I rambled to much is so short paragraphs ok. thanks. [popa01|popa01] 8:13, 23 March 2007

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Popa01 (talk • contribs) 12:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

 * I completely disagree. BattleTech was the original name for the universe, and there are still products being published under the domain of BattleTech as Classic BattleTech. When Wizkids bought the rights to BattleTech, they released a new game entitled MechWarrior, so any information relating to that new game should be included in that section. I know there are many people who feel a lot more strongly than I do about MechWarrior: DA/AoD, so I have my doubts about whether or not this will even be given any serious consideration. Scaletail 17:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Classic Battletech is ran by Fanpro, the battletech series is controlled by wizkeds, so by the grace of faza battletech as the name of the series is actually wrong now, but its still the battletech universe, two difference things. Besides the clix is a game not the books, again must I repeat the universe is the books not the games ok. unlike faza that had the timeline fiquered out they use the clix to effect the series as a whole. I not contesting that the clix is a spinoff but DA is the Battletech universe they arnt two seperat universes with the same people ok. By saying that DA is a spinoff than classic battletech is too. Fanpro did this so that people would relize that they are focusing on the original line and is progressing to link the the series together using the classic battletech sourcebooks. But this Scaletail are you wrong battletech is not the battletech anymore, it has been renamed see. Classic Battletech is soly on the shoulders of fanpro. And you proved yourself wrong since wizkids bought battletech they can do what they want do, if they want to rename by god they can. nothing we say can do that. But even wizkids still calls it the battletech universe, but the name of the series is Mechwarrior go out and oreder one of the old books of the original line and on it says Mechwarrior not Battletech. So tochauch I prononce that this can not be debated by mere feeling since the purpose of wikipedia is to give fatual info, not opions to keep the battletech pge as a whole like this is proving that the folks like me and most folks that read this arnt not gitting no satifaction in that readers will have the current information todate. We may contunie debating but since I have facts to sit unpon I feel what I suggets as fair.Popa01 03:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

 * First off, my apologies because I was treating this as if it was an actual merge request, which it is not. I'm not debating ownership of the intellectual property. Obviously, WizKids owns BattleTech and MechWarrior and can do what they want with them. Nonetheless, BattleTech still exists and is supported by FanPro, and it therefore deserves to have its own Wikipedia entry. I'm not entirely sure the grounds on which you want to merge the two articles together, but there are two separate and distinct war-games that are both actively supported by two different companies that just happen to share the same storyline. They are currently advancing that storyline in different time periods, so the two articles dedicated to the games would necessarily reflect that reality.
 * Now, many of the articles that cover that storyline need work, but as for your assertion that they are segregated, I would direct your attention to the articles on Terra and the Federated Suns. They both deal with events from the original BattleTech storyline, the newer Classic BattleTech storyline, as well as the Dark Age novels. I think you are confusing "BattleTech" with "Storyline of the BattleTech universe," which does need a lot of work if it is to be kept as a viable article. Scaletail 23:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

 * "BattleTech" is the name of the franchise, universe, setting, etc. The "Classic" in front of "Classic BattleTech" is there to distinguish it from other "BattleTech" products, in the same way that "Dark Age" comes at the end of "MechWarrior: Dark Age."  So... what exactly do you think should be renamed? Skiltao 03:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I was wanting the battletech page to anknowledge that with the purhase of the battletech franchize by wizkids, that all series books is now the mechwarrioir series and that the Bark Age series is not a spin off, this meaning that we would givePopa01 18:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC) little in the aspect of whats happen in the DA. All games are still Bttletech.Popa01 18:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

 * If you want to say that "from February 31st onward, the novel line is published under the Mechwarrior Dark Age or Age of Destruction name" (or something that sounds better...), I have no problem with that.Skiltao 00:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Well ok but I would need to mention tat the original series has changed name to mechwarrioir I'll tyr to wirte something —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Popa01 (talk • contribs) 13:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

 * But the original novel line HASN'T changed it's name to MechWarrior. Do you remember when the Jade Phoenix trilogy was reprinted?  It didn't say "MechWarrior" on the side. Skiltao 19:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Updates needed
Hey we need to update the battletech page to include the added info by the mechwarrior series and the info of the Jihad by Fanpro Popa01 13:27 27 February
 * The MechWarrior "clicktech" game is mentioned under "spinoffs," the Republic of the Sphere is mentioned as a major political entity. It seems as though more specific information would belong on the linked pages instead of this main page. Skiltao 20:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah but the fact is that the Battletech Page is out of date allmost since were maily only puting info dating back to the 3058. we due have partial info about the recent events but not enough.
 * A need to be able put in current info but still have have the current stuff also —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Popa01 (talk • contribs) 18:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

 * Be bold and do it. Scaletail 17:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

BattleTech is the Name of the universe as a Whole, The IP, and the original and Current name of the Flagship Game of the universe. Mechwarrior was originally the name of the Role Playing Game and this was coopted when WizKids decided not to use the Moniker of BattleTech:Phoenix as they had originally planned for what later came to be called "MechWarrior: Dark Age". Under the FASA era, all of the early novels appeared under the BattleTech Logo and were published under the FASA imprint In the '90s FASA liscenced the novels to ROC and ROC used the Brands of BattleTech for large scale aka "Spine" novels and the MechWarrior Brand for novels that followed individual MechWarriors or units. MechWarrior was also used for the Computer Games due to the small scale nature of the games. After the death of FASA, WizKids purchased the BattleTech IP, and tentatively planned to do BattleTech: Phoenix, because of this, when Wizkids liscenced Fantasy Productions to do the BattleTech game it Slapped the "Classic" name on the front of it. Then WizKids decided on "MechWarrior: Darkage" as the name for its Collectable Mineratures Game. Unfortunately this left the reprint of the 3rd Edition of the RPG with no name beyond "Classic BattleTech RolePlaying Game". Recently Catalyst Game Labs decided to go back to the original name of BattleTech for the flagship game, and to use "A Time of War" for the name of the RPG. PerkinsC (talk) 20:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Clean Up
Ok just cleaned up most of the page whats left is the trivia, other links and External links These need a little help especially the Trivia so i'm going to remove the unencyclopedic statement. Popa01 16:24 25 December

Cooperation with BattleTechWiki
BattleTechWiki with 3k articles is quite impressive. I think we should consider closer cooperation, especially as it is also using GFDL and so we are intercompatibile. For starters I'd suggest we create [[Category:External link templates|an external link template] that we could use to mark articles having copies on BattleTechWiki (and I'd hope BTW editors would create a similar one at their place). Feel free to start work on the template at [[Template:BattleTechWiki]].--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 01:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I was wondering when there'd be a BTwiki. All the other good sci-fi universes had one. But I don't understand what you mean by an external link template. What does that do? Sorry, I'm still somewhat of a  noob at wikipedia. Also, is there any reason why we can't just cpoy and paste info from WP to the BTwiki? If so, I dont think it would usually be ok the other way around as the BTwiki, while lacking in some areas, other areas have way too much info for WP. It would be fancruft for sure. But I'm on board to help out. AidanPryde 07:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Elink template basically is added to elink section and it automatically generates text along the line: 'this topic is also discussed in BTwiki at this link]' - so we could easily keep the related articles synchronized. And certainly fancruft is offlimits here - but there are many subject that can be discussed well here; for example I see no reasen we should not have good articles on Clan Wolf or Atlas (Battlemech). BTwiki would have (and already has) additional info - for example, Atlas prinatble sheets and players comments about the mech feasibility in game.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Greetings, Nic from Sarna.net/BTWiki here. One of the main reasons I started BTWiki was to get a wiki where all of the content would be geared towards the BT universe, as Wikipedia won't allow a lot of what you are calling fancruft over here.  Which is great -- both Wikipedia and BTWiki have their purposes.  Wikipedia would be a great avenue to 'prune down' a lot of the content from BTWiki that would be 'rock solid' for Wikipedia, while we can use BTWiki to expand on a lot of the universe (fancruft) that shouldn't go here. Nicjansma 03:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I certainly agree that's a valid solution, and elink templates would help us coordinate that 'rock solid' content. PS. Do consider registering :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 15:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm an editor/admin at BTW and I'm for marking those articles as having counterparts at Wiki. I'll standby and wait for the Wiki version of the template, and I'll then adapt it for use at BTW. It appears I have the support of my boss, Nic, in this. --Revanche 17:16, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

This raises a whole lot of WP:V and licensing issues that need answered before I can give this idea anything but a pass. ✎ Wizardry Dragon (Talk to Me) (My Contributions) (Page Moves) (Support Neutrality on Wikipedia) 17:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi, I am one of the frequent contributors to the Batletech Wiki. As far as the neutrality o the articles and the issue of WP:V the articles are all written from sources that exist in the context of the game itself or the game universe. As the Battletech gaming universe has about twenty five plus years of development and history it has its own rich history that has a large library of sources that can verify the in universe facts about the game as well as a large number of sources that can verify the non fictional information in the game including information concerning the game rules and the history of the game itself. These paterials are available to anyone who has the actual hardcopy books or in some cases, when they have been converted by the publisher, the PDF files as well as the oficially released files for the BattleMech editor program called Heavy Metal Pro. This information has been released by Fanpro, Wizkids, and the defunct FASA Corporation. I hope that the inclusion or the cross refferencing to the BattleTechwiki information will be seriously considered as while it is a niche wiki it is a very rich and detailed gaming universe. I apologize for any typos or errors I have made and I hope that you dont think that I am trying to rant, that is not my intention, but I have a tendancy to get on a roll when I am passionate about something. Thanks --CJKeys 21:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I have created the template: BattleTechWiki. If an article on BTWiki has the same name as on Wikipedia, slapping BattleTechWiki on a Wikipedia article and it will be linked to BTWiki; this template should be used in the External Links section (and is not a reference). If you like it, I'd expect BTWiki can copy it (hopefuly the syntax will need no change), so the linkage is both sided.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 00:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've created a template on BattleTechWiki to link back to here. I'm looking forward to our cooperation! Nicjansma 03:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I was trying to use the BTWiki template, but found that it has issues linking to pages with a space in the name. I'm no good at the template thing, but I know BTW had the same problem and fixed (ergo I know it's doable). Help? Scaletail 04:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Just to add, someone has also started up a BattleTech Wikia. -- Groggy Dice   T | C  04:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I have fixed the template. The syntax is now:. Example: see Armed Forces of the Federated Suns.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 04:51, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Periphery
I did lot of fixing but most of the info needs being rid of since it could go in the pages of each nation —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Popa01 (talk • contribs).

"Larger, more influential nations lie in the Deep Periphery." Are you seriously trying to tell me that the Hanseatic League and Nueva Castile are larger and more influential than the Outworlds Alliance, Taurian Concordat, or Magistracy of Canopus? Please. Can we agree that we need to find a better way to introduce the nations of the Deep, then actually introduce them? Scaletail 17:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

well i checked that thats worng i just took some else work and spaced it out i didnt check it sorry, it dont doesnt sound right i need to fix ok i get that done

Cleaning the Page
Note just puting everything in a paragraph does not help, dont be doing that it realing is not helping out just making more work —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Popa01 (talk • contribs).

Hey we should put some energyinto the battletech wiki thing and place info that is unwanted on the battletech page there for the time being like the trivia and just have the link go there

I've tacked on a paragraph about the game itself, because 'boardgame/war game' was a little vague. Makes BT sound like Monopoly with particle weapons. I also thought a mention should be made of the 'mech building system, which makes the game for me - I'm still bemoaning the fact I missed the opportunity to play a crit-monster I designed off the chassy of a Stalker. Everyone I know loves tinkering with designs, so that should be in here. --Sword of Light 20:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Major Political Factions of BattleTech
The other major faction groupings are "Successor States," "Clans," and "Periphery." Why break up "Terran Nations" into 3 sub-headings? Each of the Terran factions are so *very* closely related that you can't explain one without mentioning the others; and they have contiguous control of Terra and surrounding space. I'm changing it back for now just to match the format of the rest of the page... would it better to group the factions (all of them) differently? Skiltao 19:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. While every state within BT can be broken up into smaller & smaller factions, there are clearly three overall regions: the Inner Sphere, the Periphery and Clan Homeworlds (or Clan Space). There's no need to break out the factions (of any era) here on the main page for BattleTech. --LeyteWolfer 22:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I think it would look best just to have a paragraph for each general group (Successor States, Terra, Periphery, Clans, Mercs) and then make a page for each group that actually lists/introduces the factions. Thoughts?Skiltao 09:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

its non conforming this does not help the page it actualy makes it worse due to it jumps from to another and they arnt terran nations since only tswo if the empires names mentioned terra the Terran alliance, and the terran hegemony but i borke it up so that there would be no confusion for the reader

 * I couldn't disagree more. Nevermind.  I like the way you did the Great Houses, and fixed "Terran Nations" the same way.  I'm not sure how to divvy up the Clans though... maybe Invading Clans, Homeworld Clans, and Dead Clans? Skiltao 00:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Well i was thinking of that and doing the clans based on the wardern clans andwaring ons
 * "warden" and "crusader" doesn't give the reader any idea of the clan's physical location, political importance, or historical importance. I don't really want to leave the Clans all listed individually like that... most of them aren't important enough.  The Invading Clans deserve their own grouping because together they match a Successor State in power, and because they have a shared history - likewise, the Homeworld Clans are also a very distinct group of them.  Skiltao 21:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

dude you just messed up alot of work there and rmoved info were it was better at
 * The information at the beginning which said "Inner Sphere is everything within 500ly of Terra" etc, I didn't delete - I just divided it between the relevant paragraphs. It makes more sense, and helps the page look less fragmented. Skiltao 21:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Popa, This section is describing the Political Entities, and doesn't discuss boundaries or cartography at all... WHY do you think that "Political Boundaries" is a better section title than "Political Entities?" If you don't answer in a couple days, I'll go ahead and revert it. Skiltao 21:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I have to agree. "Political Boundaries" just sounds... odd. Scaletail 17:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The Star League is special, being a League of 10 or so allied nations - it is worth mentioning that Terra was its capitol; this also lets the reader know that Terra is important. No other nation or successor state has its capitol mentioned on this page, and I think it should stay that way.Skiltao 21:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Mercenaries
I vote we list a maximum of 6 Merc units, using the following criteria: it must be at least a regiment in size; it must have had a direct hand in House politics; and it must be super-prestigious.Skiltao 22:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Why limit it to six? That seems artificial. I do agree that the ultra-famous ones are the only ones that deserve mention on the main page, though. I'm not so sure that the MAC should be mentioned, though, since they turned their back on the mercenary profession. I would think that the 21st Centauri Lancers, Wolf's Dragoons, Gray Death Legion, Kell Hounds, and maybe Hansen's Roughriders (although that's pushing it) should be the only mercs listed. Scaletail 01:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

 * 6 or less - there just isn't any good reason to have a long list of examples.Skiltao 08:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Do not forget Waco Rangers for they were mad ein part due to th dragoons and that they are the leading party that nearly destroys the wolf dragoons

 * If we listed every merc unit that feuded with the Dragoons, we would have to throw in at least Wannamaker's Widowmakers and the Black Thorns. If we listed every merc unit that participated in the Battle of Outreach, we'd need a separate page. I was remiss, however, in neglecting to mention the Northwind Highlanders. Apparently the Eridani Light Horse go back to being mercs in DA, so them, too. Scaletail 20:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes sthat true but the waco rangers had been a small but a keen part of the story line for he wacos did lead in changes in the history of the innersphere, in since they were the yang of the yin of the dragoons. This is proven by the fact that waco rangers chased dragoon forces were ever they were believed to be such actions brought many things to happen. And also if you read some of the books the wacos were the main driving force of the battle of outreach. Yeah the Blakist paid and controled the rogue mercs but no to include them is wrong since it would be leaving a major factor of what happens in the Battletech universe.

 * (When writing on this page, please put 4 tildas after your comments.) If the Waco Rangers are notably only for their feud with the Dragoons, then they are not important enough to mention here (there are many "yangs" to the Dragoons "yin").  They would fit better on a mercs-only wikipedia page.Skiltao 08:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Well yeah they made many enemies but the Wacos were a mainstay off all of them, Besides wich i have mentioned is that some events could have happen

I'd say no Wacko's Rangers and no Roughriders...but ELH is definitely in, along with Grey Death, Wolf's Dragoons, 21st Centauri (although they're debatable, I think) and the Kell Hounds.M.U.D. 22:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd say Kell Hounds, Wolf's Dragoons, Northwind Highlanders, Eridani Lighthorse, and Gray Death Legion. Those are the major ones. I'm not really familiar with the 21st Centauri - were they in pre-Clan invasion books?--CBrewster 14:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
Is this section even neccessary? So much stuff in BattleTech is pop culture references, inside jokes, and contest winners that attempting to list it all would be insane. It seems like the sort of thing that should be on MechWiki. Scaletail 01:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

 * It should be cut down, definitely. Notable real-world people (and their fictional counterparts) probably shouldn't be on this page; much of the other trivia seems like it could be split between the faction-specific pages.  Some stuff, like the note about Macross, should probably stay. Skiltao 08:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I certainly agree that the Macross information needs to be included on the main page, although treatment of it needs to be careful since neither party has officially said anything about the settlement (and probably never will). I'm still not convinces that trivia and "in-jokes" belong in an encyclopedia, however. Perhaps just a section about Macross, with a note that the trivia section can be found on MechWiki? Scaletail 03:57, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

 * How about every thing starting from the mentioning of Aleksandr and Down should be moved to antoher page like the Tech and Protagionist and artist hmm, i will be working on it.

Clans
"two have fragmented, two have defected". I assume that Clan Wolf is one part of both of those, while Clan Nova Cat is the second defector. Overlooking the oversimplification of Clan Wolf defecting in the interest of space and brevity, which other clan fragmented? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scaletail (talk • contribs).

 * The Fire Mandrills, with their Kindraa system.Skiltao 00:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

"two have fragmented, two have defected" Don't forget Clan Snow Raven. They were driven from the Pentagon Worlds and merged with The Outworlds Alliance, you could certainly call that a defection. Clan Ghost Bear merged into the Draconis Combine...defection there as well. Smoke Jaguar was certainly "fragmented," as was Clan Ice Hellion during "Operation Ice Storm." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.16.218.125 (talk) 00:07, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Unseen
Shouldn't the unseen be both mentioned and pictured here. I'm thinking the Warhammer on the old box covers, or the Marauder on the cover of 3025? Any other votes?M.U.D. 22:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

- Um, no; that's what makes them unseen - mention the lists (1st and 2nd), and explain why they are the Unseen (FASA got rights to make model kits, but published illustrations either by ignorance of the limits of their rights, or willful disregard of those limits, and Harmony Gold - who DID secure the rights for illustrations & animation, etc - called them on it. After some sabre rattling, both parties went into a conference room, inked a settlement, FASA yanked the images from that point on and neither entity said anything more.)  But even if you can find some Fair Use images (good luck) it somewhat seems to fly in the face of the agreement of the involved parties. Technically there's no axe that HG has to grind with Wiki...yet. Details and lists, yes. Images, no. Empath 01:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

lostech page?
Is there one anywhereM.U.D. 21:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by a "lostech page?"Skiltao 07:13, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Page about lostech, I imagine. Obviously we don't have one. Try creating one on BTwiki.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 15:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm going to wait on the outcome of the Jumpship delete debate before floating a lostech page...BtechWiki might be the place to start with that though...but first I need to finish working on the Inner Sphere pageM.U.D. 17:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think lostech is as notable. I'd suggest adding it to some BTech glossary terms page, and creating a redirect.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Jumpship (Battletech)
Editors may be interesting in that vote.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 02:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Original Game drew inspiration from Star Wars?
Er, is there anything to back that up? The original version of battletech "drew inspiration" principally from the cartoon RoboTech, or at least its mecha and miniatures (some details here: http://brianscache.com/unseen/).Skiltao 06:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC) Huwmanbeing 20:00, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Good question, I'd also always heard that RoboTech, Macross, etc. were the main inspiration. I'm not sure who originally put that tidbit in, but I preserved it when I revamped the front page in hopes that someone might add a reference.  The Star Wars link is credible, I'd say, given its popularity leading up to BTech's release (and its prominent use of battle mecha), but if it can't be positively cited it should be dropped.  (Or else mentioned merely for pop culture context.)
 * Just a thought -- since Star Wars popularized the use of the term "droid", and since the first edition used the term Droid instead of 'Mech, this may point to a connection. Still needs a cite though.
 * Actually, rereading your edit, you seem to have added that connection accidentally on your own. ;)Skiltao 07:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

No, the original game was based off of Fang of the Sun Dougram's tabletop miniatures game, which came out in 1982 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.244.85.118 (talk) 21:30, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Logo
The page cannot have two logo-- it makes it look cluttered. Unless somebody can come up with a suitable solution to including the old 20th anniversary logo, I say it goes because there is something newer. Some people may think the old logo looks better, but the new logo is in (for the time being, anyways). --Scaletail 22:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Even if there was a suitable solution, there's also the problem that the 20th anniversary is over, making the logo twice-outdated. ATimson 07:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It has historical value, it's nice, and shows a battlemech in the lead. I say keep.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 05:05, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that only the current logo should be at the head. However, instead of deleting the 20th anniversary logo, I'd suggest moving it down into the overview section, which talks about the history of the game.  (Given that the old logo was in use for so long, having it present somewhere in the article is suitable and adds value.)  Huwmanbeing 14:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That sounds reasonable, but there are already a lot of images, including one in the "Overview" section. Should we get rid of something, or just add it into the section? --Scaletail 17:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I finally attempted to move the 20th anniversary logo, but it's apparently not transparent (meaning that it covers up text when I try to move it anywhere). Is this fixable, or should it just go? --Scaletail 01:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's three years out of date, and not getting any younger. It should just go. ATimson 01:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

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MechWarrior split and renaming proposal
Please see Talk:MechWarrior and comment.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Needed: list of gaming books
I was suprised looking at Category:BattleTech publications that we have no list of BattleTech tabletop nor MechWarrior RPG books, only novels...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * A lot of work has been done on the CBT books over at BattleTechWiki. I'm trying to add a book a day until I do all the ones I have. If you like what you see, go ahead and import the info over here. Scaletail 17:36, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Computing???
Why was that there??? I took the liberty of deleting it. If there's some good reason why that was there, please enlighten me, 'cause I'm baffled by that one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by M.U.D. (talk • contribs).

 * Because BattleTech has inspired many computer games like MechWarrior 4. Scaletail 19:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

 * So? The Wikiproject states that its scope is "all Wikipedia's articles on areas or subjects relating to computing technology". Which is what what I'd expect from the name. What does that have to do with a series of video games, no matter how popular (which have their own Wikiproject)? I could see BattleTech Centers as being in scope, but not this general article. --Rindis 19:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

 * The correct WikiProjects for this article, in addition to the BattleTech itself, are WikiProject Games and WikiProject Science Fiction.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:50, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Agreed. Just because there was a battletech video game doesn't mean that computing is central concern for battletech.  The connection is tangential at best.  Please find a more sensible wikiProject to attach to this, preferably the battletech wikiproject.M.U.D. 20:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Map of the BTech universe
First question, can we find or even make a free one? Second, can we reasonably use fair use ones? Third, technical: I think we need three maps: for pre-Clan period (pre-3049), Clan period (3049-3064), and RotS period (3130). Finding fair use shouldn't be that hard, although it would be nice to have them 1) colored 2) standardized. They would be used in the Geography of the BattleTech universe, an article discussed above into which we could merge quite a few of the articles of dubious notability (also discussed above).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:19, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Comstar?
Shouldn't Comstar have its own article? Word of Blake has one, but Comstar just redirects into the main article for BattleTech. Mleivo (talk) 04:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * See Articles for deletion/ComStar.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 05:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject
I've started a WikiProject to (hopefully) improve and organize the BattleTech articles

smnc (talk), 29 July 2024 (UTC) 06:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

ISWars has shut down and is for sale
Headline says all. Could you please remove the Inner Sphere Wars link and name from wikipedia?

 * Be bold. --Scaletail (talk) 00:00, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion
Articles for deletion/Clan Wolf, Articles for deletion/Clan Jade Falcon. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Articles for deletion/Gray Death Legion (2nd nomination) and Articles for deletion/Periphery (BattleTech) (2nd nomination) as long as I'm here. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I vote angainst this nominations for deletion for Articles for deletion/Gray Death Legion, Articles for deletion/Periphery (BattleTech), Articles for deletion/Clan Wolf, Articles for deletion/Clan Jade Falcon. There is very little justification for the votes of deletion. Voting for deletion must have all reason stated and must be in seperate sections or sub-secs for each vote. I also checked expect for fine tuning of the mentioned subjects there is no need for deletion instead of trying to delete subjects that that had been around before i even began and that had been years. PLease bring more valid points and all subjects mentioneed are not marked for the most point by any markers stating discrepenscies.Popa01 (talk) 07:33, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Well, since Clan Jade Falcon and Clan Wolf were closed to merge, there were significant policy concerns. Seeing how little is actually sourced, the mergers will be quite simple to accomplish.  I'd rather the people actually interested in these topic merge what they find significant (and source it), but I don't think waiting around is the best way forward.  The justification is quite clear; verification is a policy and thus, there needs to be a reliable source for the statements on the page.  -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:31, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:TALK
I've archived a number of sections here. The purpose of this talk page is for this article and associated pages, not for planning into a Wikiproject. If you want a Wikiproject, create one so that people can find it within the Wikiproject system. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:49, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Inner Sphere
I deleted this, because Inner Sphere is currently a disambig - maybe someone wants to add this to the Inner Sphere section. --Cyfal (talk) 20:39, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Spin-off Games
You chaps are missing a link and reference to that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplayer_BattleTech_3025 article in the Spin-off Games section.

195.240.131.79 (talk) 07:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Microsoft's part in the current IP ownership?
The status of Microsoft's ownership of IP is not really covered well and skipped in the FASA->WizKids->Topps transitions. What I've seen, it seems like Microsoft still owns the rights to electronic forms (that is, computer and console games) of BattleTech IP, WizKids/Topps only to the tabletop/cardgames/novels/etc. Anyone care to clarify their part in this? MWLL's page says "sanctioned by Microsoft - who currently (as of 2011) owns the rights to the Mechwarrior video-game franchise" so either that page is wrong or we're missing some info here. --Enmoku (talk) 04:52, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Weird appearance
For what it's worth. lol. ... http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/vce-scores-changed-over-battle-tech-marauder-confusion-20130208-2e2qn.html 124.168.73.92 (talk) 01:53, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Can we link sarna.net from external links?
I'd like to link http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Main_Page which I believe is the premier resource for BattleTech on the web. In light of External links policy, which however encourages caution when linking to other wikis, I'd like to ask for comments on this issue. Are there any reasons we should not link to this site? I believe linking to it would be very helpful to the readers. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:30, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

How do I add information on Nova Game Design, Inc. BattleTech Science Fiction Combat Book Game
Hello all,

I have in my BattleTech collection a product from Nova Game Design, Inc. titled BattleTech Science Fiction Combat Book Game which has six books. There are two web sources that have supporting information of the game. The sites are https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/3970/battletech-science-fiction-combat-book-game and http://www.sarna.net/wiki/List_of_BattleTech_products.

I would like to add the information to the BattleTech main page without breaking anything.

Snrdog (talk)Tom R (aka Snrdog) —Preceding undated comment added 05:46, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

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Star League?
This article makes many many references to a "Star League" without ever defining it. The first mention is in the middle of the "Technology" section: "This advancement reached its zenith during the latter years of the Star League with computing, communications, sensors, power and motor systems, medical sciences and other technologies reaching high levels of refinement." Can someone please add a definition of "Star League", perhaps in the History section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sypwn (talk • contribs) 11:42, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Source

 * https://web.archive.org/web/20001202015400/http://www.wired.com:80/wired/archive/1.03/battletech_pr.html

Kickstarters
Where in the article should coverage of the Clans and Mercenaries Kickstarter campaigns go? Frohike14 (talk) 00:36, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

 * The history section? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:17, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

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YoUDee

YoUDee (pronounced yoo-dee) is a mascot of the University of Delaware, along with Baby Blue. It is an anthropomorphic "fighting Blue Hen", and its species is the blue hen, as the state bird of Delaware. While YoUDee appears masculine and can have male or female performers, it is "officially androgynous", "neither female or male".

According to the University of Delaware, YoUDee's colors are Blue and Gold because its great-great-great-grandfather was awarded the Gold Medal for Valor during the Battle of Trenton in the American Revolutionary War. The men in the company commanded by Captain Jonathan Caldwell actually carried Blue Hens with them into combat in order to hold cockfights in their spare time. It is said that the men under Capt. Caldwell had bravery in battles that was comparable to their fighting blue hen chickens.

Pre-YoUDee
In 1911, the University of Delaware adopted the Blue Hen as its official mascot.

In the 1930s, the initial physical mascot was a live blue chicken that was tended to by members of the cheerleading team. It is unclear if it was a blue hen, or a chicken with blue feathers, as it is believed there are no true descendants of "fighting blue hens of Revolutionary War times."

Starting in 1950, several costumed "Fightin' Blue Hen" mascots existed. Little is known about them besides the fact that they were "a variety of light and dark blue suits." Few photographs of them can be found. All of the costumes were presumably retired before YoUDee appeared.

One reader of The News Journal in Wilmington requested that one of the old mascot's costume should be displayed in the nearby Bob Carpenter Center. This reader was not alone, as a petition with over 1,000 signatures circulated the state of Delaware, demanding the same. The Athletics Department responded and objected to the petition on the grounds that there was no room for it, and that "it would be inappropriate." Articles from the time indicated that at football games, the old mascots were ridiculed and pelted with items such as "marshmallows" and "batteries" by students on a frequent basis. It is unclear if this was a recurring skit coordinated by the mascot team, or represented student emotions at the time.A successor mascot would take its place. When the University of Delaware President David Roselle was questioned as to why there would be a new mascot, he said "[well], the obvious answer is, the old one wore out."

Hatching
YoUDee was first seen (or "hatched") at the Delaware-Lehigh football game in Delaware Stadium on September 4, 1993, after being created by Tom Sapp of Real Characters, Inc. (an Atlanta-based advertising agency.) Student performers were scouted to wear the costume. After two students applied and performed in tryouts, Robert Boudwin became the first performer of YoUDee. Boudwin worked to build YoUDee's personality and far-reaching image from "Delaware's infamous mascot" to "ass kickin' chickens." With help from David Raymond, the original Phillie Phanatic, the university mascot program has become a gateway to several professional mascot careers.

Chris Bruce, a 2002 graduate earned YoUDee its initial first-place finish. Brandon Williams, a 2003 graduate became the Baltimore Ravens mascot Poe. Other YoUDee alumni went on to perform Philadelphia Eagles' mascot Swoop, and Boudwin went on to perform as Clutch of the Houston Rockets.

Some controversy was aroused in November 1995 when YoUDee "mocked" middies (Midshipmen) at the United States Naval Academy. According to reports some time after the incident, the disturbance was YoUDee mooning Midshipmen, then attempting to carry away the academy's two goat statues. It is speculated that the act was part of some fraternity hazing requirement. Though, not everyone viewed this as mocking, as there were purportedly "many fans, both Navy and Delaware" that enjoyed the mascot's behavior and performance, both before and during the game.

YoUDee was "listed as one of the 16 worst college mascots in the nation" in a Newsweek issue in 1997. By those interviewed at the time, it is believed this designation was given because YoUDee is "unique" or "not tough enough." In contrast, in 2005, YoUDee was chosen to star in a nationwide ESPN News advertisement, and allegedly appeared on Wheel of Fortune, Hardball with Chris Matthews, and Good Day Philadelphia.

Another dispute was with concerns over a skit. In 2006, YoUDee would be carrying a cake, and a staff member would be displaying a sign that read "Happy Birthday Megan!" As the mascot climbed the stands, it would trip and crash into someone with the cake. Later on, the person covered in cake would be wearing a shirt that read "I got caked by [YoUDee.]" Sharon Harris, then Mascot Coordinator at the University of Delaware, in an interview said these skits were staged, and the person receiving the cake would always be a mascot team member.

The program has been directed by Sharon Harris under the university's Office of Public Relations since about 1999 until at least 2012, although it is unclear at what time she stopped and when the university's Athletic department took over the program.

Hello, YoUDee!
Dana Davis made a children's book titled Hello, YoUDee! which was released and published in 2013 by Mascot Books. It follows YoUDee around the University of Delaware campus before going to the "stadium for the big game." While the licensed book refers to YoUDee with masculine pronouns, YoUDee has been "neither male or female" since 2004.

Awards and recognition
On August 16, 2006, YoUDee was inducted into the NCAA Mascot Hall of Fame, at a ceremony in Philadelphia's Love Park. This was caused in large part by "YoUDee's fan leadership."

YoUDee has participated and won the Universal Cheerleader's Association (UCA) National Mascot Championship open division several times: In 2002, YoUDee won first place in the entire UCA National Mascot Championship. At some point after 2002, the mascot competition would be split into Division I for mascots belonging to universities with Division I football teams, and Open Mascot for all other mascots. The latter division being the one YoUDee would compete in.

YoUDee has also been named to Capital One All-America Mascot Team in 2003, as well as first place in several UCA Mascot summer camps.

✝Due to COVID-19, all mascots competed in one unified division. Whereas previously, YoUDee has been competing in the Open Mascot division for several years.

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2001 in Ireland

Events from the year 2001 in Ireland.

Incumbents

 * President: Mary McAleese
 * Taoiseach: Bertie Ahern (FF)
 * Tánaiste: Mary Harney (PD)
 * Minister for Finance: Charlie McCreevy (FF)
 * Chief Justice: Ronan Keane
 * Dáil: 28th
 * Seanad: 21st

Events

 * 22 March – Ireland confirmed its first case of foot-and-mouth disease.
 * 7 June – Voters rejected the Treaty of Nice in a referendum.
 * 9 September – The National Museum of Ireland's Museum of Country Life at Turlough, County Mayo, was officially opened.
 * 14 September – Ireland held a national day of mourning following the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the United States. The Irish government cancelled all sports, public functions, and entertainment, and also closed schools, businesses, and shops. President Mary McAleese said that the events are "an attack on the very foundations of human dignity" and left the people of Ireland "sad, shocked, sickened, grieving, disbelieving, outraged, frightened all at once."
 * 14 October – The first multiple state funeral was held in honour of ten Irish Republican Army volunteers who were executed by the British for their part in the War of Independence.
 * 23 October – The Provisional Irish Republican Army commenced disarmament after peace talks.
 * 4 November – The Police Service of Northern Ireland was established.
 * 17 November – The Gaelic Athletic Association voted to abolish its controversial Rule 21 which previously prevented members of the British Army and the Police Service of Northern Ireland from playing Gaelic games.
 * 14 December – Irish euro coins becomes available through the postal service, An Post, and at bank branches. These "starter packs" contained nineteen coins worth €6.35 and could be purchased for IR£5.

Arts and literature

 * February–April – Conor McPherson's play Port Authority premièred in London and Dublin.
 * 26 June – Two Old Master paintings from the Alfred Beit collection were stolen from Russborough House.
 * 8 August – The first Irish transmission of the Australian soap opera Neighbours was shown on Network 2.
 * 1 October – First season of Bachelors Walk on Network 2.
 * Publication of Julian Gough's novel Juno & Juliet.
 * Publication of John McGahern's last novel That They May Face the Rising Sun.
 * Publication of Kate Thompson's children's novel The Beguilers.

Show jumping

 * Kevin Babington, Peter Charles, Jessica Kurten and Dermott Lennon won the senior European Show Jumping Championships Team Gold medals.

Golf

 * Murphy's Irish Open was won by Colin Montgomerie (Scotland).

Births

 * 5 January – Oisin McEntee, footballer
 * 18 January – Niamh McCormack, actress
 * 27 March – Gaby Lewis, cricketer
 * 30 April – Nathan Collins, footballer
 * 15 May – Jake O'Brien, footballer
 * 8 August – Tyler Toland, footballer
 * 19 October – Art Parkinson, actor

January to June

 * 5 January – G. E. M. Anscombe, 81, analytic philosopher.
 * 8 January – Jim Russell, 103, hurler, (Shamrocks, Cork senior team).
 * 21 January – Joseph O'Conor, 84, actor.
 * 14 February
 * Charles B. Fitzsimons, 76, actor and film producer.
 * Maurice Levitas, 84, academic and communist.
 * 21 February – Desmond Leslie, 79, pilot, filmmaker and writer.
 * 24 February – Andy Mulligan, 65, rugby union player (London Irish, British & Irish Lions, national team) and journalist.
 * 8 March – Ninette de Valois, 102, founder of the Royal Ballet.
 * 13 March – Norman Rodway, 72, actor.
 * 20 March – Frank O'Reilly, 76, racewalker.
 * 1 April – Brendan O'Reilly, 71, athlete, singer, songwriter, broadcaster and actor.
 * 3 April – Butch Moore, 63, singer and showband icon.
 * 18 May – Seán Mac Stíofáin, 73, English-born, Irish republican paramilitary leader.
 * 1 June – Peter Corr, 77, association footballer (Dundalk, Preston North End, Everton, national team) and father of The Corrs members.
 * 27 June – Michael Moynihan, 84, Senator (1973–1981), TD (1981–1987 and 1989–1992) and Minister of State (1982–1987).

July to December

 * 4 July – Anne Yeats, 82, painter and stage designer.
 * 10 July – Danny O'Brien, 62, boxer.
 * 20 July
 * Seán O'Brien, 77, hurler (Glen Rovers, Cork senior team).
 * 1 August – Joe Lynch, 76, actor.
 * 11 August – Paul Cunniffe, 76, singer-songwriter.
 * 18 August – Bill Cahill, 78, hurler (Graigue, Slieverue, Kilkenny senior team, Leinster).
 * 21 August – John Kerins, 39, Gaelic footballer (St Finbarr's, Cork senior team, Munster).
 * 27 August – John Joe Landers, 94, Gaelic footballer (Tralee, Austin Stacks, Kerry senior team, Munster).
 * 31 August – Donal O'Sullivan, 70, Gaelic footballer (Lees, Cork senior team, Munster).
 * 16 September – Patrick Cosgrave, 58, journalist and writer.
 * 23 September – Kevin Boland, 83, TD (1957–1970), Minister for Defence (1957–1961), Minister for Social Welfare (1961–1966) and Minister for Local Government (1966–1970).
 * 28 September – Joe 'Spud' Murphy, 78, founder of Tayto crisps
 * 13 October – Ubi Dwyer, 68, anarchist.
 * 17 October – Cornelius Casey, 72, association footballer (New York Americans, United States national team).
 * 21 October – Bill Cody, 86, hurling selector (James Stephens, Kilkeny senior team) and administrator.
 * 24 October – Eamon Kelly, 87, actor.
 * 27 October – Seán Condon, 78, hurler (St Finbarr's, Cork senior team, Munster).
 * 4 November – Denis Gallagher, 78, TD (1973–1989), Minister for the Gaeltacht (1977–1979 and 1982) and Minister of State (1880–1981, 1982 and 1987–1989).
 * 8 November – Patrick Quinlan, 81, academic and Senator (1957–1977).
 * 16 November – Patrick Lynch, 84, economist.
 * 21 November – Paddy Skerritt, 75, golfer.
 * 29 November
 * Mic Christopher, 32, singer-songwriter.
 * Dinny Lyne, 81, Gaelic footballer (Kilalrney Legion, Kerry senior team, Munster).
 * 10 December – Freddie Anderson, 79, playwright and socialist.
 * 12 December – Michael Torrens-Spence, 87, held commissions in the Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm, the Royal Air Force, the British Army, Ulster Special Constabulary and Ulster Defence Regiment.
 * 14 December – Eoin Ryan, 81, Senator (1957–1987).
 * 23 December – Mark Clinton, 86, TD (1961–1981), MEP (1979–1989) and Minister for Agriculture (1973–1977).

title: 2001 in Ireland