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Robert Wedderburn (radical)

Robert Wedderburn (1762 – 1835/1836?) was a British-Jamaican radical and abolitionist of multiracial descent active in early 19th-century London. Wedderburn was born in Kingston, Jamaica, an illegitimate son of an enslaved Black woman, Rosanna, and Scottish sugar planter James Wedderburn. During his life, Robert Wedderburn sought to reconcile his political priorities and religious views.

Influenced by millenarian ideas, he moved from Methodism and towards Unitarian leanings, before rejecting Christianity and embracing a deist outlook. An early freethinker, the combination of his deist views, associations with well-known radicals and atheists, and utopian political ideals, led to his arrest for breach of blasphemy laws. In 1824 he published The Horrors of Slavery, a tract which influenced the Abolitionist movement.

Early life
Robert Wedderburn was born in Jamaica in around 1762. His mother Rosanna was a black woman of dark brown complexion, and was enslaved in his white Scottish father's house as a house worker. His father was James Wedderburn, a slave-owner and plantation owner who was born in Scotland, and was the son of Sir John Wedderburn, 5th Baronet of Blackness, who was executed for treason following the Jacobite rising of 1745. Following this catastrophe, the young James and his brother John Wedderburn of Ballendean fled Scotland for the West Indies. James Wedderburn settled in Kingston, making a living as a medical doctor before making his fortune as a sugar plantation owner. While in Jamaica he fathered children with several enslaved women.

After Rosanna had given birth to two of Wedderburn's children, and five months pregnant with his third child, James Wedderburn sold Rosanna back to her previous enslaver. James Wedderburn stipulated, however, that Rosanna's child when born should be legally free, and he officially registered both Robert and an elder brother James as free men. In later years, James Wedderburn returned to live in Britain, where his legitimate son and heir Andrew Colville defended his father when these details were made public in the British press, denied the paternity and further claimed Rosanna was both promiscuous and unable to control her temper.

Although born free, Wedderburn was raised in a harsh environment, as his mother was often flogged due to her "violent and rebellious temper". She was eventually re-sold away from her son, who was then raised by his maternal grandmother, a woman known as "Talkee Amy".

To escape the insecurity and abuse of the plantation, Wedderburn signed on with the Royal Navy at the age of 16. On the ships, the quality of food and living conditions were abysmal, and it was during this time that Wedderburn became increasingly opposed to the method of punishments used by the Royal Navy.

Arrival in Britain
Robert Wedderburn arrived in Britain aged 17 and settled down in St. Giles, London, an ethnically diverse district of the city which was inhabited by numerous free people of colour, Jews, Indian sailors and Irish immigrants. During this period, Wedderburn found employment as a tailor, becoming trained in the profession; though he was also reported to have been involved in occasional incidents of petty theft as well.

Through means that remain unclear (it is possible that he had been an apprentice in Jamaica or had learned while in the Navy), Wedderburn eventually became a journeyman tailor. As he referred to himself as a "flint" tailor, this suggests he was registered in the book of trades and shared values typical of other artisans - including pride in his craft and a belief in economic independence. Unfortunately, the instability of his career made him increasingly susceptible to the effects of a trade recession, inflation and food shortages, and he was soon reduced to part-time mending work on the outskirts of town.

By now married and desperate for money during one of his wife's pregnancies, Wedderburn visited his father's family at Inveresk near Edinburgh. He recalled that his father did not deny him to be his son "but called me a lazy fellow, and said he would do nothing for me. From his cook I had one draught of small beer, and his footman gave me a cracked sixpence". Wedderburn thereafter dabbled in petty theft and keeping a bawdy house. In 1824, Bell's Life in London published a letter from Robert Wedderburn addressed to William Wilberforce giving an account of his origins and his father's failure to provide for him. It also published his alleged half-brother, Andrew Colvile's, reply citing his father's denial of paternity and threatening to sue the paper if it published any further slanders.

Radicalism and activity
In 1786, Wedderburn stopped to listen to a Wesleyan preacher he heard in Seven Dials. Influenced by a mixture of Arminian, millenarian, Calvinist, and Unitarian ideas, he converted to be a Methodist, and soon published a small theological tract called Truth Self Supported: or, a Refutation of Certain Doctrinal Errors Generally Adopted in the Christian Church. Although this work contained no explicit mention of slavery, it does suggest Wedderburn's future path in subversive and radical political action.

Wedderburn was sufficiently well known to be the subject of at least one satirical print by the caricaturist George Cruikshank, who in 1817 published "A Peep into The City of London Tavern" in which Wedderburn is caricatured alongside the social reformer Robert Owen. The central figure in Cruikshank's 1819 print The New Union Club may also be a caricature of Wedderburn.

Politically influenced by Thomas Spence, Wedderburn was an impassioned speaker and became de facto leader of the Spencean Society in 1817 after the nominal leaders were arrested on suspicion of high treason. Wedderburn published fiery periodicals advocating republican revolution, using violence if necessary, to bring about redistribution of property in Britain and the West Indies. In 1824, he published an anti-slavery book entitled The Horrors of Slavery, printed by William Dugdale and possibly coauthored by George Cannon.

To promote his religious message, he opened his own Unitarian chapel in Hopkins Street in Soho, London. After, he began to question Christian tenets. He was later associated with the freethought movement, including popular deists and atheists such as Richard Carlile. He also campaigned for freedom of speech.

Prison
Robert Wedderburn served several prison terms. According to Peter Linebaugh (2000) it is recorded that Wedderburn "did time in Cold Bath Fields, Dorchester, and Giltspur Street Compter prisons for theft, blasphemy, and keeping a bawdy house." While imprisoned, alongside his associate Richard Carlile, Wedderburn wrote a letter to Francis Place.

In 1831, at the age of 68, he was arrested and sent to Giltspur Street Prison and sentenced to two years in jail, having been convicted of keeping a brothel. On his release he appears to have gone to New York City, where a newspaper records his involvement in a fraud case and refers to him as "a tailor and breeches maker, field preacher, anti-bank deposite politician, romance writer, circulating librarian, and ambulating dealer in drugs, deism, and demoralization in general". He returned to London shortly after. His last mention in the historical record was in March 1834 when a Home Office informer listed him as present among the congregation at the Theobald's Road Institute.

Death and legacy
The exact year of his death is unknown, although it appears to have been before official registers of death began to be kept in 1837. He may be the "Robert Wedderborn" who died aged 72 in Bethnal Green and was buried in a non-conformist ceremony on 4 January 1835.

Some have located Wedderburn's deism, radicalism, and secularism within a history of British humanism. The Humanist Heritage website recalls that "Wedderburn and others like him fostered a humanist tradition of rationalism, compassion, and tolerance, suffering the effects of blasphemy laws the like of which humanists continue to fight today."

Descendants
The British Labour politician Bill Wedderburn, Baron Wedderburn of Charlton, was a direct descendant of Robert Wedderburn.

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the railway is owned by son and father mr john bull & mr john bull. it is maintained and run by themselves and family members. it also has voluteers to help in the running of the railway. there is a small charitable shop on the platform that is also run by volunteers.

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Quill (disambiguation)

A quill is a writing tool made from the wing feather of a large bird.

Quill may also refer to:

Computer software

 * Quill, a word processor developed by Psion
 * Quill (software), a 1982 suite of tools for literacy development
 * QUILL, a programming language used in Quintiq software
 * The Quill Adventure System, a 1983 computer program to write adventure games
 * Quill, an automated narrative generator from Narrative Science
 * Oculus Quill, a painting and animation software for virtual reality

Films

 * Quill (film), a 2004 Japanese movie
 * Quills (film), a 2000 English movie

Mechanical parts

 * Quill (bicycle part), a component that connects handlebars to the steerer tube of the fork
 * Quill drive, a mechanism to connect drive shafts together so they need not be oriented in the same direction
 * The non-rotating shaft that houses the spindle in a pillar drill

Music

 * Quill (band), a US band that played at the Woodstock festival
 * Quill (album)
 * The Quill (band), a Swedish stoner rock/metal band
 * The Quill (album), 1995
 * Quill, one of many plectra in a harpsichord, made from a feather or synthetic material
 * The quills, an old word in the United States and Britain for pan pipes

Places

 * Lake Quill in New Zealand, source of the Sutherland Falls
 * Quill, Georgia, a community in the United States
 * Quill City, Malaysia
 * Quill Lakes, a wetland complex in Saskatchewan, Canada
 * Quill Lake, Saskatchewan, a village northwest of Quill Lakes
 * The Quill (volcano), Sint Eustatius, Caribbean Netherlands

Publishing

 * Quill (comics), several Marvel Comics characters
 * Quill (magazine), the magazine of the Society of Professional Journalists in the US
 * The Quill (magazine), literary magazine of Bowdoin College, Brunswick, Maine, US
 * The Quill (newspaper), the student newspaper at Brandon University, Canada
 * Quill Award, an American literary award given 2005–2007
 * Quill Awards (Australia), Australian journalism awards given annually by the Melbourne Press Club

Other uses

 * Quill (surname), an Irish surname
 * Quill Corporation, a retailer based in Lincolnshire, Illinois
 * Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, a United States Supreme Court case regarding use tax
 * "Quill" (Grimm), a 2012 episode of the TV series Grimm
 * Quill (horse), an American Thoroughbred racehorse
 * Spine (zoology), a needle-like anatomical structure in some animals
 * Quill (satellite), a reconnaissance satellite programme
 * Quills (play), a 1995 play by Doug Wright

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Bruce Palmer

Bruce Palmer (September 9, 1946 – October 1, 2004) was a Canadian musician best known as the bassist in the folk rock band Buffalo Springfield, who were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1997.

Early years
Palmer was born in Liverpool, Nova Scotia, later moving with his family to Toronto, Ontario, where in the early 1960s he began pursuing a musical career. He started out playing with Robbie Lane and the Disciples, then graduated to a local, otherwise all-black group fronted by Billy Clarkson. Next came British invasion-inspired Jack London & The Sparrows (which, after Palmer left, evolved into Steppenwolf). In early 1965 he left to join The Mynah Birds where he first met Neil Young who was playing lead guitar in the band. The Mynah Birds, fronted by future funk legend Rick James, had a bright future and were signed to the prestigious Motown Records to do some demo recordings before it was discovered that James was actually in Toronto to avoid serving in Vietnam with the United States Navy, from which he had gone AWOL. A planned single, "It's My Time" b/w "Go On and Cry", was withdrawn just prior to its scheduled release by Motown. Both sides of this single were included in the 2006 box set "The Complete Motown Singles, Vol. 6: 1966", released in a limited edition of 6000 by Universal label Hip-O-Select, marking the first time any of the 1966 Motown recordings by the Mynah Birds had seen the light of day.

The group was forced to disband, and Young and Palmer drove Young's hearse to Los Angeles in the hope of meeting Stephen Stills, a journeyman folk musician with whom Young had played briefly in Canada two years earlier. Within two days of arriving in Los Angeles, Young and Palmer were driving on Sunset Boulevard and Stills was coming in the opposite direction. When Stills saw the Ontario licence plates, he turned around and pursued the hearse, pulled up beside them and realized who they were. Shortly after, the whole crew pulled into a carpark and introduced themselves. Thus they became the band Buffalo Springfield.

With Buffalo Springfield
Young, Palmer, and Stills, along with fellow-Canadian Dewey Martin on drums and Richie Furay on rhythm guitar and vocals, soon formed Buffalo Springfield. The band only had one major national hit, "For What It's Worth" (written and sung by Stills). In Los Angeles their popularity was rivaled only by The Byrds and The Doors. A number of other songs achieved mild prominence, such as "Blue Bird," "Mr Soul", "Expecting to Fly", "Broken Arrow", "Down to the Wire", "Flying On the Ground Is Wrong", "Go and Say Goodbye", "Rock & Roll Woman", "Out of My Mind", "Sit Down, I Think I Love You", and "On the Way Home".

Palmer was arrested on numerous occasions for drug possession. These legal problems, compounded by his predilection to stay home reading mystical texts, led to his being shunned by most of the group. Another arrest led to his deportation from the U.S. in January 1967. Palmer was replaced in the band by a rotating group of bassists that included Jim Fielder and Ken Koblun. Shortly thereafter, Young left the group due to tensions with Stills, and Buffalo Springfield played its most prominent concert at the hugely influential Monterey Pop Festival in June 1967 with Doug Hastings and David Crosby filling in for Young. During his time back in Toronto between January and May 1967, Palmer gigged briefly with the local band The Heavenly Government.

In late May, Palmer returned to the U.S. disguised as a businessman, in a suit and tie with his hair cut short, and rejoined the band (Young eventually returned as well). However, the group had lost trust in Palmer and continued to rely on session players despite his return. Palmer continued to rack up a lengthy arrest record, which included another drug possession bust and driving without a licence. In January 1968, Palmer was removed from the band and officially replaced by Jim Messina. He was deported again in March. After embarking on a tour opening for the Beach Boys, Buffalo Springfield disbanded on May 5, 1968, after a final concert at the Long Beach Sports Arena.

Later years
Palmer resurfaced in the summer of 1969 for two weeks as the bassist for Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young but was soon replaced by Motown prodigy Greg Reeves. In Toronto, Palmer gigged briefly with Luke & The Apostles in early 1970. In February 1970, he illegally entered the U.S. again, because his attorney said if he did not re-enter and give a deposition in a civil suit, he would face financial ruin. The attorney lost track of Palmer and hired an investigator to find him. He was caught and arrested a year later in January 1971, in Los Angeles. He was deported for the final time in 1972.

In 1971, Palmer released his lone solo record, The Cycle Is Complete, on Verve Records. Primarily consisting of three long jams, "Alpha-Omega-Apocalypse", "Oxo", and "Calm Before the Storm" (with an "Interlude" between the first two numbers), the album featured Palmer playing with the remnants of fellow L.A. psychedelic group Kaleidoscope, Toronto keyboard player Ed Roth and Rick James contributing jazzy scat vocals. The record has been described as a jazzier version of Skip Spence's Oar or Syd Barrett's two solo records – an aural, drug-induced nervous breakdown. The album was a commercial disaster, and Palmer seemingly retired from music.

In 1977, Palmer joined former Kensington Market singer/guitarist Keith McKie and lead guitarist Stan Endersby (formerly of local bands, The Just Us, and Mapleoak) in the Toronto-based group Village for local gigs.

In 1982–1983, Palmer was bassist in Neil Young's Trans Band, and playing a mixture of Young classics and electronica-infused material to audiences throughout America and Europe, as seen on Neil Young in Berlin, filmed in 1982.

Palmer was inducted with his Buffalo Springfield bandmates into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1997.

Personal life and death
Palmer was married three times. He had three children.

He died of a heart attack on October 1, 2004, in Belleville, Ontario, at the age of 58.

Discography

 * The Cycle Is Complete (1970, Verve Forecast)

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Tasma Walton

Tasma Walton (born 19 August 1973) is an Australian television and film actress.

Acting career
Walton joined local radio station 6GE and trained as a production assistant and copy writer in her home town. She was accepted into the National Institute of Dramatic Art (NIDA) but dropped out after two years. She joined a small Sydney theatre, and landed a role as the love interest of Ian Moss in the music video for Tucker's Daughter off his 1989 debut album Matchbook. In 1995, Walton played the recurring role of Rachel Watson in Home and Away.

In 1996, Walton was cast as Dash McKinley in the police drama series Blue Heelers. Her character was introduced halfway through Season 3. She also played another character, Kim Trelor, in the same series. To win the role of Dash, Walton auditioned three times. Her second one with William McInnes (Nick Schultz) gained her the role. In the audition Schultz yelled at Dash and while some of the other actresses burst into tears, Walton reacted by laughing. In the same year she made her film debut in Fistful of Flies. Her last episode of Blue Heelers ("The Full Circle") screened in mid-1999. Walton stated that she was leaving the series to pursue other acting projects and to be with her boyfriend in Sydney.

She has since appeared in a variety of film and TV productions, including Water Rats, Sea Patrol, The Postcard Bandit and Perdition. She also won recurring roles in White Collar Blue and BeastMaster.

In 2009, Walton joined the cast of City Homicide in the semi-regular role of criminal profiler, Claudia Leigh. On 27 July 2013, it was announced that Walton had rejoined the cast of Home and Away in the recurring role of Jade Montgomery. She was on the show for two seasons.

In 2016, Walton appeared on three episodes of Rake. She also had a regular role on Cleverman (in 2016 and 2017). In 2018, she joined the cast of Mystery Road, reprising her role from the 2013 film of the same name. She returned to season two in 2020.

In 2023 Walton appeared in Channel 7 series The Claremont Murders  and Walton joined the second season of Foxtel series The Twelve.

Personal life
Walton has Aboriginal heritage on her mother's side. Walton was in a relationship with Danny Roberts for seven and a half years until 2004. She began dating Rove McManus in October 2007. They married in a private ceremony in Broome, Western Australia on 16 June 2009. In September 2013, Walton and McManus announced that they were expecting their first child. The couple's daughter was born in December 2013.

Books

 * Heartless (Fiction) (Pub Date 28 September 2009)

Awards

 * At the 39th Annual TV Week Logie Awards held in 1997, Walton won the Logie for the "Most Popular New Talent" for her role as "Constable Dash McKinley" on Blue Heelers.
 * Walton was nominated for Best Actress at the 3rd AACTA Awards for her role in Mystery Road, but lost against Rose Byrne for The Turning.

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Talk:September 11 attacks/Archive 9

Celebrating 9/11
Is there a reliable, objective source to substantiate this broad, inflammatory statement? "In numerous cities of the Islamic world, in 2002, 2003 and again in 2004, the anniversary of the attacks, September 11, has been celebrated with crowded streets filled with dancing chanting men and celebratory gunfire, documented at al-Jazeera and very briefly in the Western media."

 * Links mentioning "celebration" of 911 attacks: [www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/968195/posts],, , . The particular reference I found was to a celebration in London on Sep 11 2004 , which contains: The London daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat reported that the extremist Islamic movement Al-Muhajiroun had announced a convention in London, titled "The Choice is in Your Hands: Either You're with the Muslims or with the Infidels," to mark the third anniversary of the September 11 attacks. The organization had planned a similar anniversary event a year ago, called "The Magnificent 19 [Suicide Attackers]," but had cancelled it at the last minute. I couldn't find anything mentioning dancing in the streets, however. Matt Stan 20:24, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * I didn't realize that London was considered part of the Islamic world already. Perhaps the article should name the celebrants as members of "the UK extremist group al-Muhajiroun" rather than inflaming the gentle reader with the image of barbarian hordes dancing all over the Islamic world in celebration of 9/11's carnage. Perhaps a quote from Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell would be appropriate here if Wikipedia would like to record the reactions to 9/11 from Christian leaders.

God Gave U.S. 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says "God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve," said Falwell, appearing yesterday on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club," hosted by Robertson. "Jerry, that's my feeling," Robertson responded. "I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population." Falwell said the American Civil Liberties Union has "got to take a lot of blame for this," again winning Robertson's agreement: "Well, yes." Then Falwell broadened his blast to include the federal courts and others who he said were "throwing God out of the public square." He added: "The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.' "
 * http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A28620-2001Sep14&notFound=true

Ramzi Binalshibh
Ramzi Binalshibh's name is misspelled "Binalsibh" in two places on the page.

No it's not "misspelled" - It is inconsistent. ;) WhisperToMe 19:48, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Michael Moore's allegations
The allegations that "all member of the bin Laden family" and other Saudis were ferried out of the USA during the three day flight ban following 9/11 are inaccurate.

"Civilian air travel across the United States was—for the first time ever—suspended almost totally for three days, with numerous locations and events affected by closures, postponements, cancellations, and evacuations. However, according to the controversial political commentator Michael Moore in his film Fahrenheit 9/11, there was during this time an airlift to Saudi Arabia of all members of the bin Laden family in the USA at the time, leading to claims that potentiallly useful witnesses had been allowed by the US government to escape investigation"

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flight.htm But the key point is that the Saudis mentioned in these accounts were not flown out of the country — they were assembled at locations from which they could be conveniently flown out of the country once regular airline travel resumed. ........ No news account had a flight of Saudis leaving the U.S. until after the resumption of normal air traffic. The earliest date posited for a flight bearing bin Laden family members leaving the U.S. was September 14, a date by which the resumption of air travel had already begun:

 * OK, but the point that should be made is that the Bin Ladens were "rescued" by the US authorities and allowed to go to Saudi Arabia at the request of a high ranking Saudi official, rather than being treated as potential witnesses in a regular murder enquiry. It is usual, I understand, in a murder enquiry, for potential witnesses to be asked to remain available to police in case they have information that might be useful, such as, in this case, the location of their relative. Whether they flew straight to Saudi Arabia or whether they were flown first to some assembly point while everyone else in the US was grounded is perhaps useful to know, but it doesn't detract from the main point being made here. Matt Stan 20:37, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * The FBI had an opportunity to question the Saudis before they left the country and apparently did not consider them witnesses or otherwise deserving of detention.

War Crimes, Part 3
I deleted the section on war crimes. If anyone disagrees with me, I hope you will discuss it and provide some authority specifically stating that the attacks were a war crime. Also see the material in my previous comments, from the Red Cross.

I forgot to sign that. Maurreen 04:19, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Michael Moore's allegations again
Moore's allegations have wide currency because of the success of his movie F-9/11 but, unfortunately, they are not entirely factually accurate according to Snopes.com, the 9/11 Commission, and journalists who have looked at the sequence carefully.
 * In that case you really HAVE to first make/be sure that Moore was actually wrong, which I very much doubt after thoroughly reading http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/ and http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&theme=coverup&startpos=100
 * Thanks for the links. I wish there was more substance to these allegations but he's really just grasping at straws. There were no unusual flights. Moore even admits it. He hinges the accusation that one flight was flown out of Tampa a day early based on local newspaper article speculation. Very weak. The Bush-Saudi connection exists, no doubt. The rich and powerful flock together. But then where do you go with it from there? That doesn't make them responsible for 9/11. It's a sideshow. Can you tie up all those Michael Moorish insinuations in a way that works for an encyclopedia and not some conspiracy theory rant? We want wiki NPOV facts, not innuendo and fiction.Alberuni 05:07, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I suggest keeping the conspiracy speculation limited to the conspiracy section of this main page. If the conspiracy needs alot of explicating, there is a wiki dedicated to just that. Conspiracies are interesting and potentially damning but unless backed up by strong facts, I believe they detract from this otherwise solid and important article. Alberuni 20:50, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * From: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flight.htm: In the two days immediately following the September 11 terrorist attacks on America, the U.S. government allowed bin Laden family members to fly within the country during a general ban on air travel: True. Matt Stan 09:11, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * "charter aviation was allowed to resume on the morning of September 13, several hours before the Tampa-to-Lexington flight is said to have departed, which would mean that the plane, which Vanity Fair says was chartered, did not need any clearance to fly. Overall, it appears that all flights -- the ones gathering up Saudis domestically and the one from Boston to Jedda -- took place after the government allowed aviation to resume." Alberuni 15:53, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * And from the same source: Clearly bin Laden family members were allowed to leave the U.S. shortly after the September 11 attacks, and this was effected with the approval and assistance of the American government. Matt Stan 09:27, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * What are you suggesting? That bin Laden family members are somehow guilty by association of the crimes of Osama bin laden? The FBI knew who was flying, they could have questioned or arrested anyone on any flight leaving the USA, as I'm sure they would if they had even a sliver of a reason. They authorites detained more than 1200 innocent Muslims on various immigration and other pretexts in the weeks after 9/11 "just in case" they were involved in terrorism. Would you have all Saudi Arabians in the USA and all bin Laden family members arrested and held in detention because of their surnames, nationality, or religion despite the lack any evidence of criminal wrongdoing? Alberuni 15:53, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * I am no supporter of any conspiracy theory. The idea that the Saudis requested that their nationals should be removed from USA in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, particularly when it was announced that Osama Bin Laden was a prime suspect, is not fantastic. (Moore shows an interview with the Saudi minister which attests to this.) The fact that the US acquiesced to this request, given the economic dependency that various US interests have on Saudi goodwill, is not surprising. The fact that a US official has reportedly taken responsibility for deciding to allow the Bin Ladens to leave, appears to be from independent sources. What is surprising is that any wikipedian should wish to censor the fact that an Oscar-winning journalist has reported this story. I think the intrinsic interest that this story has means that it should remain prominent in this article. I fear that it is embarrassment and insecurity of position that is prompting my censors. Matt Stan 00:48, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * First of all, censorship and defense of the Bush administration are completely anathema to me. It's funny that I would even be accused of it. Please don't be paranoid. I am just trying to be objective. I agree with your basic premise that global economic dependence on Mideast oil contributes to US foreign policies of propping up repressive regimes like the Saudi government, waging wars on Iraq, building military bases in Saudi Arabia, and defending Israel (considered a bulwark against Soviet domination of the Mideast at one time); and that the al-Qaida movement and 9/11 attacks represent radical resistance to these US foreign policies. These foreign policy issues need to be explored but how do the bin Laden family flights after 9/11 explore those issues? If the White House gave special permission for bin Laden family flights after 9/11 as Michael Moore claimed, then that would presumably reflect the tip of the iceberg of US-Saudi relations. I think Michael Moore hoped that F-9/11 would cause viewers to question US foreign policies that led to 9/11 instead of believing government propaganda that "terrorists hate America because of our freedom" and i commend him for that. Unfortunately, the issues are so complex and convoluted that people can't begin to peel the layers of US foreign policy intrigue so Moore's rabble-rousing populist message ends up feeding anti-Muslim and anti-Arab hysteria because viewers ask, "Why are those rich Saudis allowed to fly when ordinary Americans can't? Their names are BIN LADEN! They should have been arrested!" In fact, the flights carry very little significance, if any, because apparently no special permissions were granted. The danger in using weak or forged arguments should be clear from the Dan Rather case. It can backfire against the accuser and lower the credibility of an otherwise good case. Even though close US-Saudi ties deserve scrutiny, there does not appear to have been anything particularly unusual, illegal, or covered-up in the bin Laden family flights. The bin Laden family members and other Saudis were understandably fleeing from what they expected to be an ignorant violent backlash against innocent Arabs, Muslims and people surnamed "bin Laden". You claim that the "US acquiesced to this request" but apparently there were no special privileges to fly internationally during an overall public flight ban as Michael Moore asserted in F-9/11 and no privileges were issued even domestically as Snopes.com claims but has been debunked elsewhere, as I noted above. You claim that "a US official has reportedly taken responsibility for deciding to allow the Bin Ladens to leave" but there is no evidence that they would or should have been detained. The FBI had an opportunity to question them but had no reason to detain any of them. These are people who would be much more likely to become targets of al-Qaida than members of al-Qaida. The US is not dependent on goodwill of Saudi elites. The US is trying to protect the Saudi elites from bin Laden! If people are suggesting that the Saudis on those flights after 9/11 were involved in the 9/11 attacks but the White House let them leave the country, then I suggest the issue be explored under Conspiracy Theories. I don't think it should clutter the documentation of Effects of the Attacks/Grounding of Flights. All of above IMHO. Alberuni 15:53, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * If a relative of yours were suspected of murder, would you not think it reasonable that the police might say to you "Hang about, mate. You might have some information that will help us catch the suspect"? Or would you expect them to say, "Gosh, there's something else going on here. I'm not going to use a weak of forged argument to detain you. You'd better get out of the country fast. And never mind if you have information that might help us catch our suspect. We'll do without that because there's something else going on here!. Matt Stan 11:13, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Do you think that bin Laden family members were admitted to the USA, allowed todonate money to Harvard University, own property and invest in US businesses without the FBI knowing that they were related to a man who was already the world's most wanted terrorist prior to September 11, 2001? Do you think the bin Laden family members were not already questioned, investigated and probably under surveillance by the FBI/CIA? You think they had new information about Osama's whereabouts but were spirited out of the USA by the Bush administration because...............? Please elaborate. What does Michael Moore think? There is a conspiracy wiki for the discussion.  Alberuni 14:43, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * The something else going on is that the US is evidently treating some people as above the law. Why that is can plausibly be explained by the level of Saudi investment, including that of the Bin Laden family itself, in the US. There's no conspiracy there. The only conspiracy is that there are some who would like to cover this story up because they find it embarrassing and, no doubt, because, as Alberuni has written, people might say, "Why are those rich Saudis allowed to fly when ordinary Americans can't? Their names are BIN LADEN! They should have been arrested!" Surely that IS the point. We can explain: those rich Saudis are allowed to fly BECAUSE they are rich and powerful. Never mind that they just might be able to give us information that just might help us catch our suspect (ostensibly the most wanted man in the world), as would be the case in other murder enquiries - yes, I've been watching Columbo. There is something indecent about letting the Saudis fly away just like that, whichever way you look at it, and it is surely a relevant part of the story of 9/11. I deem those who revert the facts that I put into the main article to be the conspirators here. If my relative were suspected of murder and I said, "Sorry mate, I'm pissing off to Arabia and I'm not coming back", I think the police might get an order to take away my passport, pending future enquiries. But if I'm called Bin Laden then it's, "Yes, of course, sir. Have a nice trip!" Matt Stan 19:58, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * How were they "treated above the law"? They were allowed to fly, like everyone else, AFTER the ban on charter flights was lifted 3 days after 9/11.   Michael Moore was mistaken about this point. (Please excuse me for disputing the allegations of an Oscar-winning movie director). If you believe innocent people should be harassed just because they are Saudi, Muslim, or members of the bin Laden family - even though they are upstanding community members, 100% innocent of any crimes and there is no reason to suspect otherwise - well, then you should understand why they would want to leave the country in a hurry. See Balbir Singh Sodhi for details. If one of your relatives commits murder and you are not involved in any way, the police will not (should not) take away your passport or deny you your basic rights. Why should they? You haven't committed a crime. Out of curiousity, what is your opinion about locking up innocent Japanese-Americans at Manzanar during WWII?  Alberuni 21:53, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * The 9/11 commission reported that it was Richard Clarke (yes, the same Richard Clarke who was so critical of Bush) who was the highest ranking official to sign off on allowing the bin Laden family members to leave. They also found there was no higher political pressure to do so, as reported by the press, including The Washington Post.

www.911truth.org
There have been alot of annoying anonymous reverts regarding this link. It is neutral to describe the website that states that there is a U.S. government coverup of the true cause of 9/11. It is not neutral to refer to a campaign to educate the public about "the Sept. 11th coverup." The factual basis of a Bush administration cover-up is not a neutral fact. (I wish it was; I'd like to hear it). It is an opinion. Why is this such a difficult concept? Wikipedia shouldn't take a position on whether or not there is a U.S. government cover-up. Wikipedia can report facts related to the purported cover-up. Let's report facts and stop the silly revert war over the description of this link. Alberuni 21:16, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * 911Truth.org is a campaign to educate the public about the Sept. 11th coverup.
 * 911Truth.org is a website that states that there is a coverup of the true cause of 9/11 by the U.S. Government.

"World Trade Center attacks"
Why is this page being moved now? I don't recall a poll to move this back... WhisperToMe 01:14, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Is this a problem? It looks like a redirect from WTC attacks with no change in content here. Alberuni 01:27, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * It still is a problem because it ruins all of the redirects. If one wants to change the title of a popular article, he or she should ask around first. WhisperToMe 01:32, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * As for the title itself, September 11 consisted of the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the Pennsylvania incidents. WhisperToMe 01:57, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

'September 11, 2001' and '7 December 1941'
The article seems to jump from the MM/DD/YY format to the DD/MM/YY format, and mostly uses the DD/MM format (eg 11 September). Also the very first sentence combines formats: The September 11, 2001 attacks were a series of coordinated suicide attacks against the United States on 11 September 2001.

Is this just inconsistency (which should be changed to a US format of MM/DD/YY and MM/DD throughout)? Or is there some underlying purpose to it that I don't understand?

Just thought I'd ask before changing anything. Jongarrettuk 20:21, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * It's your fault.

 * Oh, you probably want an explanation. :) In your settings, you must have it set to display dates in the European format, "DD Month YYYY". But that only works for linked dates, which is why almost every date on the pedia is wikified. However, the article name in the lede is not, and should not (since it would then differ from the article title). That's why. --Golbez 21:23, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)

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George Stroumboulopoulos

George Mark Paul Stroumboulopoulos (Greek: Γεώργιος Μάρκος Παύλος Στρουμπουλόπουλος; born August 16, 1972) is a Canadian media personality, television host and podcaster. He is one of Canada's most popular broadcasters and best known as formerly being a VJ for the Canadian music television channel MuchMusic. He was also the host and co-executive producer of the CBC Television talk show George Stroumboulopoulos Tonight (formerly The Hour) from 2005 to 2014. From 2014 to 2016, Stroumboulopoulos worked for Rogers Media, anchoring Hockey Night in Canada and the NHL on Rogers. From 2009 to 2023, he was a radio host on CBC Music. Most recently, he joined Apple Music Radio as host of a Monday to Thursday live show.

Early life
Stroumboulopoulos was born in Malton, Ontario, a neighbourhood in Mississauga, Ontario, to a Greek father from Egypt and a Ukrainian mother. He was raised in Toronto, primarily by his mother and a close-knit extended family. After graduating from Ascension of Our Lord Secondary School, he graduated from the Radio Broadcasting program at Toronto's Humber College in 1993.

Radio
In spring 1993, Stroumboulopoulos worked at rock radio in Kelowna, British Columbia for a few months before getting a job offer at the Toronto radio station Fan 590 AM, working in talk radio. He then moved to CFNY-FM to host various shows including Live in Toronto.

MuchMusic
From 2000 to 2004, Stroumboulopoulos worked at MuchMusic as producer and host of The Punk Show, then host of The NewMusic, MuchLOUD and MuchNews.

The Greatest Canadian
In 2004, Stroumboulopoulos was featured on CBC television's The Greatest Canadian series as the advocate for Tommy Douglas. More than 1.2 million votes were cast over six weeks, as each of 10 advocates made their case for the top 10 nominees. George made a personal and passionate case for Tommy Douglas, Canada's "father of medicare", and Douglas was named the winner of the contest.

The Strombo Show
Stroumboulopoulos hosted a long-running Sunday night talk radio show, The Strombo Show. Originally aired as a talk show on CFRB in Toronto and CJAD in Montreal, the show moved to the Corus network in November 2007 and the format changed to one of mainly music. The Strombo Show broadcast from 102.1 The Edge's Toronto studio and on other radio stations in the Corus Entertainment network, including CFOX-FM in Vancouver, Power 97 in Winnipeg, FM96 in London and Y108 in Hamilton.

The show moved to CBC Radio 2 on November 8, 2009, and continued as a music-oriented freeform radio talk show until 2023.

George Stroumboulopoulos Tonight/The Hour
On January 17, 2005, the first episode of The Hour went to air. In the show's seventh season, in 2010, the show's name changed to George Stroumboulopoulos Tonight, and it was shortened from one hour to half an hour. George Stroumboulopoulos Tonight was a hybrid of news and celebrity and covered everything from politics, pop culture, the environment, human rights, entertainment, sports and more. It won eight Gemini Awards. There are a range of guests on the show from world leaders to celebrities and politicians. The show concluded at the end of the 2013–2014 season as Stroumboulopoulos moved to Rogers Communications.

The One: Making a Music Star
In July 2006, Stroumboulopoulos hosted the American reality television talent show, The One: Making a Music Star that aired on ABC in the United States, and CBC Television in Canada. It was advertised as a similar show to American Idol and Rock Star but with the twist that contestants would "live together in a fully functioning music academy", with their actions documented similar to the Big Brother format.

The show was reportedly the most expensive summer series in the history of the ABC network. Its first episode, on July 18, 2006, scored a low audience of 3.08 million viewers, and subsequent episodes had even fewer viewers. The series was cancelled after just two weeks (four episodes) with the final results undecided on July 27, 2006, with no plans for any further episodes.

Stroumboulopoulos on CNN
Stroumboulopoulos’ hour-long talk series for CNN, Stroumboulopoulos, aired during the late spring and the summer of 2013. It was taped before a live audience in Los Angeles, and featured interviews in a format similar to his CBC show. Sometimes, episodes did not air as scheduled. After airing seven episodes from June 14, 2013, to August 16, 2013, CNN did not renew the show.

Hockey Night in Canada and move to Rogers
On March 10, 2014, Rogers Media, which had acquired exclusive national media rights to the National Hockey League, officially announced that Stroumboulopoulos would serve as the main host of Hockey Night in Canada, beginning in October 2014, replacing Ron MacLean. Concurrently, CBC announced the cancellation of George Stroumboulopoulos Tonight after a 10-year run.

Strombo's role on Hockey Night, which was part of an effort to appeal to younger viewers, received mixed reception. Viewers surveyed upon his introduction felt that he was not a "credible" successor to Ron MacLean, In a move which the Toronto Star speculated was meant to help re-gain viewership lost over the first two seasons of the contract (which was also credited to the poor performance of Canadian teams in the 2015–16 season), Sportsnet announced on June 27, 2016, that Stroumboulopoulos had been let go from Rogers, and that Ron MacLean would be reinstated.

Apple Music
Starting on August 18, 2020, George Stroumboulopoulos became the host for his new show called STROMBO on the newly created Apple Music Hits radio station on Apple Music's live radio. The shows airs Monday to Friday every week at 6:00pm (PST).

He recently partnered with Apple Books to launch the book club "Strombo's Lit".

Other works
Stroumboulopoulos has also hosted a highly regarded documentary series of CBC, "Love, Hate & Propaganda" which was based on examining how propaganda affected and lead to shape crucial events that occur in the 20th century. The documentary included War on Terror, Second World War, and the Cold War.

Over the course of his career, George has interviewed multiple sports stars, entertainment icons, and world leaders.

Charity and public awareness
Stroumboulopoulos and The Hour sponsored the 'One Million Acts of Green' Internet Website challenge, calling on Canadians to register environmental acts they've done. The campaign registered over 1.6 million acts on the website. George and his family have been devoted to this cause also supported by Dr. David Suzuki.

Stroumboulopoulos is a strong advocate of social issues and has been actively part-taking in many global initiatives and involved with numerous charitable initiatives, such as hosting the 'HipHop4Africa' Mandela Children's Fund Canada and CapAids February 2006 Toronto benefit. He has traveled to the Arctic for a special on literacy, youth culture and the loss of Inuit identity. He has been to Sudan with War Child Canada, and Zambia for a World AIDS Day special documentary. He also supports Make Poverty History. He joined other prominent Canadians in sharing views on global issues in the March 2010 issue of Upstream Journal magazine.

He was executive producer and co-host of Canada for Haiti television with Cheryl Hickey and Ben Mulroney to help the humanitarian crisis in Haiti after a devastating earthquake. He managed to raise over $27 million for the victims of Haitian earthquake.

He also presented at Vancouver's EPIC Expo in May 2011 where he showed support for Fair Trade and the work of Fair Trade Vancouver.

Stroumboulopoulos was selected by the United Nations World Food Programme (WFP) as an official ambassador in March, 2011, thus being named the first Canadian National Ambassador Against Hunger.

Personal life
George Stroumboulopoulos follows a vegan and straight edge lifestyle. He is a fan of the Montreal Canadiens hockey team.

Awards

 * The Hour won six Gemini Awards.
 * In 2006 – Viewers Choice Award – Best Host
 * In 2007 – Best Talk Series – Best Host – Best Production/Design
 * In 2008 – Best Host
 * Stroumboulopoulos was awarded an honorary Doctor of Laws, from the University of Calgary on November 13, 2007.
 * He was also awarded an honorary degree in communications from Humber College in June, 2009.
 * In September 2011, he received the inaugural 'Swarovski Humanitarian Award' at the 5th annual Playback Canadian Film and Television Hall of Fame Gala in Toronto.
 * On March 6, 2012, the World Economic Forum announced that he had been selected as a Young Global Leader (YGL) for 2012, and was one of three Canadians to receive the indoctrination.
 * In 2013, George won the Canadian Screen Award for best host in a variety, lifestyle, reality, and performing arts for George Stroumboulopoulos Tonight.
 * In 2023, Stroumboulopoulos was appointed to the Order of Canada for "his leading contributions to Canadian media and journalism as a renowned broadcaster and producer in television and radio."

He received a Canadian Screen Award nomination for Best Supporting Performance in a Web Program or Series at the 10th Canadian Screen Awards for his role in the comedy web series The Communist's Daughter.

Filmography

 * 2000–2004: MuchMusic host (various shows)
 * 2010: The Strombo Show (radio show)
 * 2010: Canada for Haiti (TV Movie documentary)
 * 2005–2010: The Hour (TV series)
 * 2006: The One: Making a Music Star (talent show)
 * 2010–2015: George Stroumboulopoulos Tonight as host (TV series)
 * 2013: Stroumboulopoulos (CNN TV series)
 * 2014: Hockey Night in Canada
 * 2015: The Plateaus
 * 2015: Being Canadian (documentary)
 * 2018: Design Canada (documentary)
 * 2021: The Communist's Daughter (web series)
 * 2023: 299 Queen Street West (documentary)

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Pomade

Pomade is a greasy, waxy, or water-based substance that is used to style hair. It generally gives the user's hair a shiny, slick appearance. It lasts longer than most hair-care products, and often requires multiple washes for complete removal. The pomades of the 18th and 19th centuries consisted mainly of bear fat or lard. Lanolin, beeswax and petroleum jelly have been used extensively in modern pomades. The hold of pomades makes sculptured hairstyles such as the pompadour waves (hairstyle) possible.

Names
The English word  derives from French, itself from Italian , from pomo ("apple") and -ata, used to form related nouns. In the Early Modern Period, pomades were ointments made from various kinds of fat and used to beautify both the skin and face. Mashed apples were added to help perfume the mixture. (The word was also infrequently used as a synonym for apple cider.) Modern pomades may contain fragrances but are usually not particularly fruity. Other English names for the ointment, drink, and hair treatment are pomate and pomatum from, the Medieval Latin form of the same name.

History
During the Roman era, soap was used as a pomade by some European tribes. In the 19th century, bear fat was usually the main pomade ingredient. In 1873 UK company Morgan's Pomade was established selling Hair Darkening Pomade across the world. By the early 20th century, petroleum jelly, beeswax, and lard were more commonly used. Early 20th century examples of pomades include Murray's Superior Pomade (originating in 1925), Sweet Georgia Brown Hair Dressing Pomade (originating in 1934) and Royal Crown Pomade (originating in 1936). Dixie Peach Hair Pomade was popular with teenage boys in the U.S. from World War II through the 1960s.

The concept of pomade can be traced back to ancient times. The ancient Egyptians, for instance, used a substance similar to pomade made from animal fats and other ingredients to style their hair and wigs. This practice was not only about appearance but also about hygiene and protection from the harsh sun.

Pomades were much more popular in the 1920s to 1950s than they are today, although they have made a comeback in the 2010s with recent alternations to the marketplace, which feature not only traditionally manufactured petroleum and oil-based pomades but also modern water-soluble pomades. Compared to oil-based pomades, water-based pomades wash out more easily.

Hairstyles from the 20th and 21st centuries involving the use of pomade include the ducktail, pompadour, and quiff. The Pompadour was a cultural phenomenon in the mid-1950s to 1964 and was worn by young actors and those in the new musical genre, Rock and Roll. Examples can be seen on Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry and James Dean. In the 1980s, Rockabilly style Rock and Roll and the pompadour had a resurgence and was worn by musicians such as Brian Setzer and Chris Isaak.

Modern resurgence
The reemergence of popular pomade use coincides with the rise in popularity of the disconnected undercut hairstyle. The hairstyle is characterized by buzzed or faded sides, and a much longer top which is disconnected from the side hairs. The undercut hairstyle was first popularized in the early 20th century as affordable barbershops used the newly invented hair clipper to quickly and cheaply shave the sides of men's heads; leaving long top hairs that would be styled with pomade. During the 2010s, the style was featured in many popular period movies, especially World War II films, and in shows such as Peaky Blinders. Celebrities such as athlete David Beckham and actor Brad Pitt were seen donning this style of hair.

The heavy hold and slick look of pomade is very well suited to control the long hair of most undercut styles.

Today's pomades fall under two main categories with some subcategories, the traditional oil-based pomade and the newer water-based and gel pomades.

Traditional oil-based pomades are generally subdivided into three more groups: heavy hold, medium hold, and light hold. Heavier pomades generally have a higher wax content and better hold their shape throughout the day. The higher wax content usually results in a lower shine pomade. Light holds, sometimes called a brilliantine, have a higher oil content and therefore are usually more shiny. This type of pomade has a wet look and a lower hold. Some prominent modern oil-based pomades are Reuzel, Lockhart's, and Murray's.

The water-based pomades are split between gel-based pomades (Orthodox) and water-based (Unorthodox) pomades. Gel pomades come in different degrees of hold. Firm hold pomades dry much more stiff and are better at holding a particular style. However, they are generally less malleable and can only be restyled during the day by wetting the hair. These pomades generally contain hardening agents such as polyvinyl pyrolidone or vinyl pyrolidone. Some popular gel pomades include Suavecito, Layrite and Imperial.

Unorthodox water-based pomades mimic the malleable qualities of oil-based pomades while still being able to be easily washed out like a gel pomade. Popular unorthodox water-based pomades include O'Douds, Shear Revival, Lockharts, and Flagship pomades.

Natural Versus Traditional Pomades
The modern preference for natural hair care solutions has given rise to a reevaluation of traditional pomade formulations. While the word "pomade" has historically been associated with a variety of hair styling products, there has been a notable shift away from products containing petroleum. This movement has been driven by an increasing awareness of the problems associated with petroleum-based hair products and a growing demand for natural hair care alternatives that are both safe and effective for users.

Traditional pomades, often petroleum-based, have been found to possess certain qualities that can be detrimental to the hair and scalp health of consumers. A primary issue lies in their tendency to cause buildup, leading to clogged hair follicles, which can impede hair growth and result in scalp ailments. Furthermore, the presence of certain petroleum derivatives has raised concerns over their potential health risks, including the risk of irritation and more serious consequences from prolonged use.

In contrast, natural pomades are typically made from a blend of ingredients like shea butter, beeswax, and a variety of nourishing oils. These ingredients offer a stark difference in both intention and effect, aiming to provide nutrients and support for the hair and scalp, instead of merely offering styling hold. The benefits of natural ingredients over petroleum extend beyond avoiding negative side effects—they often contribute positively to the overall condition of the hair, promoting moisture retention and a healthy scalp environment.

The resurgence of natural hair grease reflects a broader consumer shift towards products that not only perform well but also align with a health-conscious lifestyle and ethical consumerism. As awareness and education about the benefits of natural hair care ingredients grow, so does the popularity of these safer, more beneficial alternatives in hair styling routines.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David A. Wheeler

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP—NO CONSENSUS. 7 votes to delete, 7 votes to keep.

David A. Wheeler
Vanity page, apparently written by the subject. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:39, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Move to his own user page of course (if he agrees) Kim Bruning 15:03, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I agree that this would be more appropriate on his user page. --Neschek 15:22, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Abstain. 9000 google hits. Article created by IP in 2002. Niteowlneils 17:57, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: advert. Wile E. Heresiarch 18:22, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Move to his own user page or delete. Autobiography, vanity, and advertising in current form. Notability not established by article. Software Inspection: An Industry Best Practice Amazon.com Sales Rank: 258,038. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 18:44, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Move to own user page or delete. -- Nickj 00:27, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify: I have heard of this person before (mainly through his sloccount open-source utility, which gets a mention in this article), so I would like to see the content kept, but probably a user page is more suitable. It is a bit of a line-ball call though, so if it's allowed, as a comprise perhaps we could have a redirect from the old page to the user page? -- Nickj 06:17, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Move to user page and delete. Autobiography is a danger.  ("Biography is one of the new terrors of death" John Arbuthnot). Geogre 01:15, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. He's somewhat notable among Open Source people, slightly above my notability threshold for Wikipedia. Article is informative, not vanity or ad. jni 05:26, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Reasonably well known author.--Eloquence*
 * Abstain. Hard to decide if notable enough. --Improv 17:35, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep Certainly has potential to become encyclopedic, a reasonably notable author. — siro  χ  o  22:42, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep. As is surely evident based upon my vote record, I think that we should be spending more time ensuring factual accuracy and eliminating political bias rather than wasting it on debating whether or not something is "important" enough to be (or become) encyclopedic.  "Wikipedia is not paper" and "Bytes are cheap" are mantras that are being repeated here over and over again.  For a reason. Radman1 18:03, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * By the way... I made a small contribution to Wikimedia foundation during the last fund drive, and I do hope that those who intone those mantras did so, too. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 18:08, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep Wolfman 02:03, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep He's well-known enough in (esp. in free software / open source circles) to be listed -- Cabalamat 22:18, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Are you people on crack? Keep. "I've never heard of him" is not equal to "non-notable". Has done extensive and notable work in writing on open source software - David Gerard 07:22, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Talk:La Ceiba

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La Ceiba is the third largest city of Honduras, containing about 250,000 people. It is located on its northern Caribbean coast. It is the capital of the Department of Atlántida. It is known as the girlfriend of Honduras. It was named after a huge ceiba tree that used to be by the docks.

The city is famous for it's yearly carnival held on the third saturday of May and for its blend of Latino, Caribbean, and Garifuna culture. It is also home to the Dole Food Company which exports bananas, pineapples, and grapefruit. Fishing activities are also important, together with the Bay Islands fleet, comprise the most important fishing group in Caribbean Honduras.

ABC link
ABC-Honduras is a charity project (100% non-profit) that works in Rio Viejo (Cangrejal River). I would concider this as a part of La Ceiba! I think a charity project, that supports children is way more interesting than for example "railroad pictures". The cangrejal river is also THE tourist attraction of La Ceiba and the ABC project is working on establishing a sense of tourism (through a training center), so that tourism can actually start to grow here and help the people in this area. By the way I also have a big company in La Ceiba but I am not putting my company link on the wikipedia page either.

Wikipedia doesnt particularly support charities, and why should it? I dont actually see any difference between a business and a charity, both are trying to do good and if we put links to charities businesses will want to put links too. Cangrejo is a tourist attraction in La Ceiba but the primary attraction is surely the Zona Viva (Carnaval etc) and what about Pico Bonito? SqueakBox 23:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

ABC link 2
Please show me where it mentions La ceiba, certainly not on the page you have given us, or if so Where? i removed a touristy link too, this page is not an ad for services in la Ceiba. it is also debatable whetehr a charity project like this does any good whatsoever, I might as well add my business link on the basis that that helps Ceiba more than any charity, but I wont so please dont add your work link either, SqueakBox 17:46, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

LA
This LA leads to a disambig page. Do you mean Los Angeles? If so please stop linking to LA which is confusing, SqueakBox 16:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

Sister cities of Mumbai?
I am wondering where is the list of sister cities of Mumbai? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nirajrm (talk • contribs) 15:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC). --Nirajrm '' talk 15:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Does it have any? It should twin with La Ceiba, SqueakBox 15:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Picture
The image I had removed earlier is not the downtown or "centro" of La Ceiba. That area is close to the downtown area but not really considered part of el centro. Does anybody mind if I change the caption to something more appropriate? Oscar (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 18:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Any suggestions would be welcome. Originally someone described it as being in a barrio which it clearly isn't, its about 10 blocks south of the muni building, and I certainly don't objectt o you improving the caption. Thanks, SqueakBox 18:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Avenida 15 de septiembre? I don't believe there is such an avenida, perhaps you are thinking of 14 de Julio. Thanks, SqueakBox 19:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Nope, I know the difference between avenida 14 de julio and avenida 15 de septiembre, I've been living in La Ceiba for 22 years, I know my way around perfectly. That IS a picture of avenida 15 de septiembre where Instituto Maria Regina is, also where the main bus terminal is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oking83 (talk • contribs) 19:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Aha. It was me who took that picture and it is not of the road on which the bus terminal lies unless my memory completely fails me. I'll go and check where I think this place is in the next couple of days and remove mention of any avenida name until then. Thanks, SqueakBox 19:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Ok, the bus terminal is all the way to the end of that street.
 * In that picture, that's where the street starts (close to the intersection with Avenida la Republica, which leads to the old dock), it is known as "boulevard 15 de septiembre". Later, a little before where the terminal is, it becomes "avenida 15 de septiembre". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oking83 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

 * OK, Now I'm really embarrassed, upon closer inspection, now I think you're right. Though there IS an avenida 15 de septiembre, I realized I was looking wrong at the picture. That IS Avenida 14 de Julio, very close to the Dipsa gas station, if I'm not mistaken (although now we know I have been mistaken in the past, heh). I apologize for my earlier comments.Oscar (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 20:02, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Oh don't be embarrassed, as I said it was me who took the pic but cant remember if it was in san Isidro or 14 de Julio, I never think of the bus station road as 15 de septiembre but I used to live every close to where that pic is taken and so learnt the names for 14 de julio and San Isidro. I've only been here 4 and a half years, far less time and I don't go out very much. Thanks, SqueakBox 20:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Population
Yeah, the exact population of the city is always disputed. The last Honduras census in 2000 said that La Ceiba had about 140,000 inhabitants. This was the last official census carried out by the government and let me tell you: if it is in fact over 200,000 right now, that's pretty remarkable! So I think you might want to double check that with an official entityOscar (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 03:04, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

 * What we need are reliable sources, I must say I thought it was 250,000 but did not know that census figure. Certainly 200,000 now would be an increase over only marginally over 5% a year and I wonder how unrealistic that actually is, but do read the reliable sources link anyway. And you can sign your comments with 4 squiggles ~ . Thanks, SqueakBox 03:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Distinguished Natives of La Ceiba
There are a few people in the list that don't really belong there. Sure they might be local political figures, but objectively speaking they're not really "distinguished" per se. I wouldn't really refer to former mayors of the city as "distinguished". If that were the case than wouldn't we agree that every mayor the city has ever had should be on the list? I have the same opinion for members of congress.

Like I said, I'm trying to be objective, does anybody else agree? Oscar (talk) 00:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

 * I think we should only have people with articles in the list. Aren't the Palacios from La Ceiba? If so there are some missing from the list too. Thanks, SqueakBox 05:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

RED VECINOS ALERTA RVA
La Red Vecinos Alerta (RVA) es una organización comunitaria con sede en edificio la española de la colonia Pizzati en la ciudad puerto de La Ceiba. Se fundó el 27 de enero del año 2007 por un grupo de buenos ciudadanos que pretenden elevar la seguridad comunitaria y destacar la voz de alerta temprana en casos de contingencias y desarrollo social.

Su fundador es el ingeniero Joe Kirkconnell quien funge como su presidente vitalicio y ya ha logrado juramentar más de dos mil voluntarios en diferentes barrios y colonias de la ciudad.

La RVA actualmente está trabajando en la parte oriente de la ciudad de La Ceiba, imprime y distribuye una publicación mensual que se llama SOL NEWS, el periódico comunitario de Honduras. Utilizándolo como su órgano de divulgación oficial y medio patrocinador económico del treinta por ciento de sus proyectos en las comunidades.

"Notable residents"
The title of that section should remain "Distinguished Natives" because there are at least 2 people on that list that don't reside in La Ceiba. Any thoughts? Oscar (talk) 19:38, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

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I think this should redirect straight through to Underhill, Vermont. There is unlikely to be anything further to say on the other definitions.

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Underhill, Portland, Dorset possible merger
The articles about the eight villages on Portland are all stubs - wouldn't it be better if they were combined into one article about all eight villages? This article would still be separate from the main article called "Isle of Portland".

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Amanita fulva

Amanita fulva, commonly called the tawny grisette or the orange-brown ringless amanita, is a basidiomycete mushroom of the genus Amanita. It is found frequently in deciduous and coniferous forests of Europe, and possibly North America.

Taxonomy
Amanita fulva was first described by Jacob Christian Schäffer in 1774. Historically, both the tawny grisette and the grisette (A. vaginata) were placed in the genus Amanitopsis due to their lack of a ring, unlike other Amanita species. However this distinction is now seen as insufficient to warrant a separate genus. Nowadays, A. fulva and similar ringless species of Amanita are placed in the section Vaginatae ss according to the classification of Bas.

Description
The cap is orange-brown, paler towards the margin, and darker (even very dark brown) in the center, up to 10 cm in diameter. It develops an umbo when expanded, and has a strongly striated margin. Its surface is smooth, slightly sticky and slippery when moist and glistens; later it may dry. The gills are free, close, and broad. The flesh is white to cream. The stem or stipe is white and smooth or powdery, sometimes tinged with orange-brown and with very fine hairs. It is slender, ringless, hollow and quite fragile, tapering towards the top; up to 15 cm tall and 1–1.5 cm in thickness. The universal veil which initially encapsulates the fruiting body is torn and develops into a white, sack-like volva with characteristic rusty-brown blemishes. The cap is usually free of volval remnants. Infrequently, roughly polygonal pieces of the veil may remain on the surface. The spores are white, 9 × 12 μm or (9.0-) 10.0 - 12.5 (-19.3) x (8.2-) 9.3 - 12.0 (-15.5) μm in size, globose; nonamyloid.

Distribution and habitat
Amanita fulva, distributed throughout Europe, occurs in a variety of forests. It is generally found with oak (Quercus), birch (Betula), spruce (Picea), pine (Pinus), chestnut (Castanea) and alder (Alnus), with which it forms mycorrhizae. It is often found with birch in Scandinavia, while collections from southern Europe are usually from forests of oak, chestnut and pine. It grows in acidic soils and fruits from summer to late autumn (May to November in the UK). It is a common to scarce fungus, and is very common in Britain.

Amanita fulva is considered to be widely distributed in North America in deciduous and coniferous forests, although collections could possibly be of a different, yet undescribed species. In addition, the name Amanita fulva has in the past been misapplied to other North American taxa, such as A. amerifulva and others.

Edibility
Amanita fulva is one of the few good edible species in its genus. Though this particular species is considered edible, it must be identified with care as other members of the genus Amanita are poisonous and some are deadly. For this reason, consuming A. fulva can be dangerous and is not recommended. Some authors indicate the fungus is potentially toxic when raw, and is suitable for consumption only when cooked.

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United States Office of Personnel Management

The United States Office of Personnel Management (OPM) is an independent agency of the United States government that manages the United States federal civil service. The agency provides federal human resources policy, oversight, and support, and tends to healthcare (FEHB), life insurance (FEGLI), and retirement benefits (CSRS and FERS, but not TSP) for federal government employees, retirees, and their dependents.

OPM is headed by a director, who is nominated by the President.

History
The United States Civil Service Commission was created by the Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act of 1883. The commission was renamed as the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB), and most of commission's former functions—with the exception of the federal employees appellate function—were assigned to new agencies, with most being assigned to the newly created U.S. Office of Personnel Management (OPM) on January 1, 1979, and Reorganization Plan No. 2 of 1978.

On January 1, 1979, the Office of Personnel Management was established with the dissolution of the U.S. Civil Service Commission following the passage and signing of the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978 into law by then President Jimmy Carter.

The United States Office of Government Ethics, responsible for directing executive branch policies relating to the prevention of conflicts of interest on the part of Federal executive branch officers and employees, was formerly a part of OPM, until being spun off as an independent agency in 1989.

In 1996 the investigation branch of the OPM was privatized, and USIS was formed. In 2014, after several scandals, OPM declined to renew its contract with USIS and brought background investigations back in house under the short-lived National Background Investigations Bureau. In 2019, the responsibility for conducting federal background checks changed hands again when NBIB was dissolved and its functions given to the Defense Security Service, part of the Department of Defense, which was reorganized into the Defense Counterintelligence and Security Agency for the purpose.

2015 data breach
In April 2015, hackers working on behalf of the Jiangsu State Security Department, a provincial branch of the Chinese Ministry of State Security spy agency obtained access to 22.1 million SF-86 records of US federal employees, contractors, and their friends and family. Representing one of the largest breaches of government data in U.S. history, information that was obtained and exfiltrated in the breach included personally identifiable information such as Social Security numbers, as well as names, dates and places of birth, and addresses.

New updates regarding this security breach came to light on September 24, 2015. The agency then indicated that additional evidence showed that 5.6 million people's fingerprints were stolen as part of the hacks, more than five times the 1.1 million originally estimated. The total number of individuals whose records were disclosed in whole or part, including Social Security numbers and addresses, remained at 21.5 million.

Attempts at reform
In July 2013, Rep. Blake Farenthold (R-Texas) introduced the Office of Personnel Management Inspector General Act. The bill would increase oversight of OPM's revolving fund. Farenthold introduced the bill as a response to accusations of fraud and concerns about security clearance background investigations. The bill would fund the expenses for investigations, oversight activities and audits from the revolving fund. The bill was in response to a find that between 2002 and 2012, OPM's revolving fund had tripled, totaling over $2 billion, or 90% of OPM's budget. In February 2014, President Obama signed the bill into law. The fund's history goes back to the early 1980s, where it was used for two main activities: training and background investigations for government personnel.

Between 2018 and 2019, as part of a larger initiative to restructure the executive branch, President Donald Trump (R) submitted a proposal to congress to merge OPM into the General Services Administration (GSA) while returning the federal personnel policy-making components under the direct authority of the Executive Office of the President of the United States to the Office of Management and Budget in the White House. House Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-VA), chairman of the Subcommittee on Government Operations under the House Committee on Oversight and Reform, was the fiercest critic of the proposal. During a congressional hearing, Connolly claimed: "The administration wants to take over the merit policy-making functions and put them into the highly politicized environment of the White House itself, away from direct congressional oversight and inspector general review." Political pressure against the proposal peaked when a provision barring the President from transferring any function, responsibility, authority, service, system or program that is assigned in law until 6 months after the completion of an "independent report" issued by the federally-chartered National Academy of Public Administration was added to the 1,120 page bill S-1790, a.k.a. the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2020.

Function
According to its website, the mission of the OPM is "recruiting, retaining and honoring a world-class force to serve the American people." The OPM is partially responsible for maintaining the appearance of independence and neutrality in the administrative law system. While technically employees of the agencies they work for, administrative law judges (or ALJs) are hired exclusively by the OPM, effectively removing any discretionary employment procedures from the other agencies. The OPM uses a rigorous selection process which ranks the top three candidates for each ALJ vacancy, and then makes a selection from those candidates, generally giving preference to veterans.

OPM is also responsible for federal employee retirement applications for FERS and CSRS employees. OPM makes decisions on federal employee regular and disability retirement cases. OPM also oversees FEHB and FEGLI, the health insurance and life insurance programs for Federal employees. However, it does not oversee TSP, which is handled by the Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board (FRTIB), a separate independent agency.

OPM implements Diversity, equity, and inclusion in line with Executive Order 13583 and Executive Order 13985.

Components

 * Retirement Services - Oversees the Civil Service Retirement Service (CSRS) and the Federal Employee Retirement Service (FERS).
 * Healthcare & Insurance - Oversees the Federal Employee Health Benefits (FEHB) and Federal Employee Group Life Insurance (FEGLI) programs.
 * Employee Services Branch

Directors of OPM
Source: OPM's Agency Leadership Through Time

 * Alan K. Campbell (January 2, 1979 – January 20, 1981)
 * Campbell was the Chairman of the Civil Service Commission at its dissolution
 * Donald J. Devine (March 23, 1981 – March 25, 1985)
 * Loretta Cornelius (acting; 1985)
 * Constance Horner (August 22, 1985 – May 10, 1989)
 * Constance Berry Newman (June 8, 1989 – June 30, 1992)
 * James B. King (April 7, 1993 – September 1, 1997)
 * Janice R. Lachance (November 12, 1997 – January 20, 2001)
 * Steven R. Cohen (acting; January 20, 2001 – July 11, 2001)
 * Kay Coles James (July 11, 2001 – January 31, 2005)
 * Dan Gregory Blair (acting; February 1, 2005 – June 27, 2005)
 * Linda M. Springer (June 28, 2005 – August 13, 2008)
 * Michael Hager (acting; August 13, 2008 – January 20, 2009)
 * Kathie Ann Whipple (acting; January 20, 2009 - April 13, 2009)
 * John Berry (April 13, 2009 – April 13, 2013)
 * Elaine Kaplan (acting; April 13, 2013 – November 4, 2013)
 * Katherine Archuleta (November 4, 2013 – July 10, 2015)
 * Beth Cobert (acting; July 10, 2015 to January 20, 2017)
 * Kathleen McGettigan (acting; January 20, 2017 – March 9, 2018)
 * Jeff Tien Han Pon (March 9, 2018 – October 5, 2018)
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 * Dale Cabaniss (September 16, 2019 – March 17, 2020)
 * Michael Rigas (acting; March 18, 2020 – January 20, 2021)
 * Kathleen McGettigan (acting; January 20, 2021 – June 24, 2021)
 * Kiran Ahuja (June 24, 2021 – May 6, 2024)
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