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Fellside Recordings

Fellside Recordings is a British independent record label, formed by Paul Adams and Linda Adams in 1976 in Workington, Cumbria, and still run by them.

Paul Adams toured semi-professionally with the Barry Skinner Folk Group in his teens. He and Linda married in 1974. Fellside started as a folk music label. They issued jazz under the name LAKE, and children's records as "small folk". Most of the Fellside catalogue was recorded and produced by Paul Adams. In 2007, BBC radio celebrated the company with a programme called "30 Years of Fellside". Three of their acts, John Spiers & Jon Boden, Nancy Kerr & James Fagan, and Kirsty McGee were nominated for BBC Folk Awards, and two of the acts were winners on the night. The label has won many awards including 12 from the Music Retailers Association. LAKE has won a BT British Jazz Award and Paul Adams was nominated for a BBC Jazz Award.

The Amazon website lists over 130 titles still in print, including albums by Spiers and Boden, Nancy Kerr & James Fagan, Dr Faustus, 422, Fribo, Hughie Jones, A. L. Lloyd, Peter Bellamy, James Keelaghan, Clive Gregson, The Queensberry Rules, Jez Lowe, Last Orders, Bram Taylor, and Grace Notes. Their anthologies have included songs by Maddy Prior, Richard Thompson, Frankie Armstrong, John Kirkpatrick and Martin Carthy. Fellside, along with Topic Records, are the two most significant and longest serving record labels for traditional music in the UK.

On the jazz side, LAKE Records's roster includes George Melly, Digby Fairweather, Ottilie Patterson, Phil Mason, John Hallam, The Fryer-Barnhart International All Star Jazz Band, The Savannah Jazz Band, Spats Langham, Debbie Arthurs and Keith Nichols.

In 2004, they started reissuing recordings from the defunct jazz label Record Supervision. This included the reissue of albums by Humphrey Lyttelton, Acker Bilk, Alex Welsh, Ken Colyer, Chris Barber, Terry Lightfoot, Sandy Brown, and Archie Semple. Singsong described this set of reissues as "A milestone in British jazz". They have a "Vintage" Series as well as a series recorded at the Dancing Slipper Jazz Club in Nottingham in the 1960s.

LPs
from The Penguin Book of English Folk Songs. 1985
 * FE001 Terry Docherty – Teller of Tales. 1976
 * FE002 The Best of BBC Radio Carlisle's Folk Workshop. 1976
 * FE003 Geoff Purvis – The Border Fiddler. 1976
 * FE004 Dave Walters – Comes Sailing in. 1977
 * FE005 Farmstead – The Sheep & The Hay. 1977
 * FE006 Paul & Linda Adams – Among the Old Familiar Mountains, 1978
 * FE007 The Border Country Dance Band. 1977
 * FE008 Robbie Ellis – Under Beacon's Brow. 1977
 * FE009 Brian Dewhurst – Follow That With Your Sealions. 1977
 * FE010 The Packmen's Blue Album. 1977
 * FE011 Barry Skinner with Geoff Lakeman – Bushes & Briars. 1978
 * FE012 The Wassailers. 1978
 * FE013 Various Artists – Canny Cumberland. 1979
 * FE014 Greg Stephens & Crookfinger Jack – The Beggar Boy of the North. 1979
 * FE015 The Rockytops – Life Can Be Beautiful. 1978
 * FE016 The Gateway Jazzband with George Chisholm. 1979
 * FE017 Roy Harris – The Rambling Soldier. 1979
 * FE018 Steve Turner – Outstack. 1979
 * FE019 Woodbine Lizzie By Numbers. 1979
 * FE020 The Border Dance Band at Gretna Hall. 1980
 * FE021 Colin Thompson – Three Knights. 1980
 * FE022 An Evening With Hoghton Band. 1980
 * FE023 Jez Lowe. 1980
 * FE024 Pat Knowles – Standard Settings. 1980
 * FE025 A Night Out with Woodbine Lizzie. 1981
 * FE026 Gerry Hallom – Travellin' Down the Castlereagh. 1981
 * FE027 Martyn Wyndham–Read – Emu Plains. 1981
 * FE028 Hoghton Band – Dance & Enjoy the Pride of Lancashire. 1981
 * FE029 Rob Gordon's Fourth Caledonian Ball. 1982
 * FE030 Steve Turner – Jigging One Now. 1982
 * FE031 Sara Grey & Ellie Ellis – A Breath of Fresh Air. 1982
 * FE032 Peter Bellamy – Keep On Kipling. 1982
 * FE033 Bobby Eaglesham – Weather the Storm. 1982
 * FE034 Jez Lowe – The Old Durham Road. 1983
 * FE035 Jolly Jack – Rolling Down to Old Maui. 1983
 * FE036 Gerry Hallom – A Run a Minute. 1983
 * FE037 Swan Arcade – Together Forever. 1983
 * FE038 Richard Grainger – Herbs On the Heart. 1984
 * FE039 Sara Grey & Ellie Ellis – Making the Air Resound. 1984
 * FE040 Hoghton Band Play Your Requests. 1984
 * FE041 Bram Taylor – Bide A While. 1984
 * FE042 Steve Turner – Eclogue. 1984
 * FE043 Life & Times – Strawplait & Bonelace. 1984
 * FE044 Roy Harris – Utter Simplicity. 1985
 * FE045 Lancashire Fayre – Not Easily Forgotten. 1985
 * FE046 Rhiannon – Birds of Rhiannon. 1985
 * FE047 Linda Adams, John Bowden, Martin Carthy, Roy Harris, Jez Lowe – A Selection
 * FE048 Threeway Street – Drunkards & Lovers. 1985
 * FE049 Jez Lowe – Galloways. 1985
 * FE050 Various Artists – Flash Company. 1986
 * FE051 Brian Peters – Persistence of Memory. 1985
 * FE052 Mark T & The Brickbats – Johnny There. 1986
 * FE053 Ian McGillivray – Rolling Home. 1986
 * FE054 Swan Arcade – Diving for Pearls. 1986
 * FE055 Jez Lowe & Jake Walton – Two a Roue. 1986
 * FE056 Jill & Bernard Blackwell – Adventures of Notion. 1986
 * FE057 Bram Taylor – Dreams & Songs to Sing. 1986
 * FE058 Steve Turner – Braiding. 1987
 * FE059 Anonyma – Burnt Feathers. 1987
 * FE060 Ian Walker – Flying High. 1987
 * FE061 Patti Reid. 1987
 * FE062 Zydeco Ceilidh Band. 1987
 * FE063 Ken Campbell – Going Solo. 1988
 * FE064 Marilyn Middleton Pollock – Nobody Knows You. 1988
 * FE065 Dave Goulder – The Man Who Put the Engine in the Chip Shop. 1988
 * FE066 Alasdair Robertson – Friends & Companions. 1988
 * FE067 Jolly Jack – A Long Time Travelling. 1988
 * FE068 Bisiker & Romanov. 1988
 * FE069 Strangefolk – Unhand Me You Bearded Loon. 1988
 * FE070 Jez Lowe – Bad Penny. 1988
 * FE071 Life & Times – Shropshire Iron. 1989
 * FE072 Cockersdale – Doin' the Manch. 1989
 * FE073 Ian Walker – Shadows in Time. 1989
 * FE074 Gerry Hallom – Old Australian Ways. 1989
 * FE075 Bram Taylor – Taylor Made. 1989
 * FE077 Phil Hare – Living On Credit. 1990
 * FE079 Jez Lowe & The Bad Pennies – Briefly On the Street. 1990

CDs (up to FECD100)

 * FECD3 Geoff Purvis – The Border Fiddler
 * FECD27 Martyn Wyndham-Read – Emu Plains 25th Anniversary Reissue Series
 * FECD34 Jez Lowe – The Old Durham Road
 * FECD47 Linda Adams, John Bowden, Martin Carthy, Roy Harris, Jez Lowe – A Selection From The Penguin Book of English Folk Songs. 1985
 * FECD61 Patti Reid. 1987
 * FECD70 Jez Lowe – Bad Penny
 * FECD72 Cockersdale – Doin' the Manch 25th Anniversary Reissue Series
 * FECD76 Ian Bruce – Blodwen's Dream. 1990
 * FECD78 Classic Anne Briggs. 1990
 * FECD79 Jez Lowe & The Bad Pennies – Briefly On the Street. 1990
 * FECD80 Gill Bowman – City Love. 1990
 * FECD81 Hughie Jones – Hughie's Ditty Bag. 1991
 * FECD82 Hamish Bayne & Martin Cole – Making Music. 1991
 * FECD83 Mick Bisiker – Home Again. 1991
 * FECD84 Martyn Wyndham-Read – Mussels On a Tree. 1991
 * FECD85 Ian Bruce – Out of Office. 1992
 * FECD86 Marilyn Middleton Pollock – A Doll's House. 1992
 * FECD87 Various Artists – Voices, English Traditional Songs. 1992
 * FECD88 Ian Walker & Setanta – Crossing the Borderlines. 1993
 * FECD89 Jez Lowe – Backshift. 1992
 * FECD90 The Paul Brennan Band – Fire in the Soul. 1993
 * FECD91 Wizz & Simeon Jones – Late Nights & Long Days. 1993
 * FECD92 Bram Taylor – Further Horizons. 1993
 * FECD93 Christine Kydd – Heading Home. 1993
 * FECD94 Jez Lowe & The Bad Pennies – Bede Weeps. 1993
 * FECD95 The Ragtime Millionaires – Making A Million. 1993
 * FECD96 Edgerton Layhe – Rough & Tumble. 1993
 * FECD97 John Wright – Ride the Rolling Skies. 1993
 * FECD98 Classic A. L. Lloyd. 1994
 * FECD99 Heather Innes – Coanineadh, Songs from the Heart. 1994
 * FECD100 Various Artists – Banklands (The Story of Fellside Records). 1994

CDs (FECD101 to FECD200)

 * FECD101 Cockersdale – Been Around for Years. 1994
 * FECD102 Martyn Wyndham–Read – Sunlit Plains. 1994
 * FECD103 Pete Oakley – Ghost in the City. 1995
 * FECD104 Sisters Unlimited – No Bed of Roses. 1995
 * FECD105 Classic Peggy Seeger ft Tom Paley. 1996
 * FECD106 The John Wright Band – The Things We've Handed Down. 1996
 * FECD107 Sandra & Nancy Kerr – Neat and Complete. 1996
 * FECD108 Dick Wardell – Street Life Blues. 1996
 * FECD109 The Ragtime Millionaires – Life Is Good Sometimes. 1996
 * FECD110 Various Artists – Ballads. 1997
 * FECD111 Bob Fox & Benny Graham – How Are You Off for Coals? 1996
 * FECD112 Lucky Bags – Food for Thought. 1996
 * FECD113 The Rufus Crisp Experience (Dave Arthur & Barry Murphy) – Chickens Are A–Crowing. 1997
 * FECD114 Rick Kemp – Escape. 1997
 * FECD115 Martyn Wyndham–Read – Beneath a Southern Sky. 1997
 * FECD116 Frankie Armstrong with John Kirkpatrick & Maddy Prior – Till the Grass O'ergrew the Corn. 1997
 * FECD117 Gordeanna McCulloch – Sheath & Knife. 1997
 * FECD118 Keith Kendrick – Home Ground. 1997
 * FECD119 Voice Union (Liliana Bertolo, Evelyne Girardon, Sandra Kerr with special guest Maddy Prior). 1997
 * FECD120 Bram Taylor – Pick of the Grinner. 1997
 * FECD121 The John Wright Band – Other Roads. 1997
 * FECD122 Bob Davenport & The Rakes – The Red Haired Lad. 1997
 * FECD123 Cockersdale – Wide Open Skies. 1997
 * FECD124 Bob Fox & Stu Luckley – Box of Gold. 1997
 * FECD125 John Kirkpatrick & Others – Wassail! 1997
 * FECD126 Grace Notes – Red Wine & Promises. 1998
 * FECD127 Nancy Kerr & James Fagan – Starry Gazy Pie. 1997
 * FECD128 Keith Hills – Recovery. 1997
 * FECD129 Gordon Tyrrall – A Distance from the Town. 1998
 * FECD130 Peggy Seeger with Irene Scott – Almost Commercially Viable. 1998
 * FECD131 Various Artists – Fyre & Sworde, Songs of the Border Reivers. 1998
 * FECD132 Ushna – Twice Brewed. 1998
 * FECD133 Rick Kemp – Spies. 1998
 * FECD134 Steve Tilston – Solorubato. 1998
 * FECD135 John Conolly & Pete Sumner – Trawlertown. 1998
 * FECD136 Simon Haworth – Coast to Coast. 1998
 * FECD137 Sandra Kerr, Nancy Kerr & James Fagan – Scalene. 1999
 * FECD138 Lucky Bags – Delight in Disorder. 1999
 * FECD139 Buz Collins – Water and Rain. 1999
 * FECD140 Jolly Jack & Others – Rolling Down to Old Maui. 1999
 * FECD141 Clive Gregson – Happy Hour. 1999
 * FECD142 Kathy Stewart – Celestial Shoes. 1999
 * FECD143 Johnny Silvo & Diz Disley – Blues in the Back Yard. 1999
 * FECD144 Frankie Armstrong – Garden of Love. 1999
 * FECD145 Nancy Kerr & James Fagan – Steely Water. 1999
 * FECD146 Martyn Wyndham–Read and No Man's Band – Beyond the Red Horizon. 1999
 * FECD147 Hughie Jones – Seascape. 1999
 * FECD148 The Bram Taylor Collection – Singing! 1999
 * FECD149 Mad Pudding – Grand Hotel. 1999
 * FECD150 Tryckster – When the Stone Is Exposed. 1999
 * FECD151 Frankie Armstrong – Lovely On the Water. 2000
 * FECD152 Sandra Kerr – Yellow, Red and Gold. 2000
 * FECD153 422 – One. 2000
 * FECD154 Alistair McCulloch – Highly Strung. 2000
 * FECD155 Peta Webb & Ken Hall – As Close As Can Be. 2000
 * FECD156 Various – Flash Company Celebration 25 years Fellside 1976–2001, 25th Anniversary Reissue Series.
 * FECD157 Martyn Wyndham–Read and No Man's Band – Where Ravens Feed. 2001
 * FECD158 Various Artists – Voices in Harmony, English Traditional Songs. 2001
 * FECD159 Bram Taylor – Fragile Peace. 2001
 * FECD160 Swan Arcade – Round Again 25th Anniversary Reissue Series. 2001
 * FECD161 John Spiers & Jon Boden – Through and Through. 2001
 * FECD162 Peter Bellamy – Mr Bellamy, Mr Kipling and the Tradition 25th Anniversary Reissue Series. 2001
 * FECD163 Grace Notes – Anchored to the Time. 2001
 * FECD164 Clive Gregson – Comfort & Joy. 2001
 * FECD165 Little Johnny England. 2001
 * FECD166 Little Johnny England – Merc & Cherokees. 2001
 * FECD167 Nancy Kerr & James Fagan – Between the Dark and Light. 2002
 * FECD168 Altar Native – Cumbria Odyssey. 2002
 * FECD169 Clive Gregson – Carousel of Noise. 2002
 * FECD170 Kirsty McGee – Honeysuckle. 2002
 * FECD171 422 – New Numbers. 2003
 * FECD172 Simon Haworth – Taking Routes. 2003
 * FECD173 A.L. Lloyd – England & Her Traditional Songs. 2003
 * FECD174 Andy May – The Yellow Haired Laddie (Northumbrian Smallpipes). 2003
 * FECD175 John Spiers & Jon Boden – Bellow. 2003
 * FECD176D Various Artists – Song Links, A Celebration of English Traditional Songs and their Australian variants
 * FECD177 Dr Faustus – The First Cut. 2003
 * FECD178 FolkESTRA North. 2003
 * FECD179 Alistair McCulloch – Wired Up. 2003
 * FECD180 The Witches of Elswick – Out of Bed. 2003
 * FECD181 Benji Kirkpatck – Half a Fruit Pie. 2004
 * FECD182 Various Artists – Fanfare for the South West. 2003
 * FECD183 Bram Taylor – The Night Is Young. 2004
 * FECD184 Clive Gregson – Long Story Short. 2004
 * FECD185 Ed Rennie – Narrative. 2004
 * FECD186 Jon Loomes – Fearful Symmetry. 2005
 * FECD187 Peter Bellamy – Fair Annie. 2004
 * FECD188 The Hoghton Band Collection – A Selection of English Country Dances. 2005
 * FECD189 Dr Faustus – Wager. 2005
 * FECD190D Various Artists – Song Links 2, A Celebration of English Traditional Songs and their American variants. 2005
 * FECD191 422 – Major Third. 2005
 * FECD192 Spiers & Boden – Tunes. 2005
 * FECD193 Maddie Southorn – The Pilgrim Soul. 2005
 * FECD194 Spiers & Boden – Songs. 2005
 * FECD195 Kieron Means – Far As My Eyes Can See. 2005
 * FECD196 Sara Grey – A Long Way From Home. 2005
 * FECD197 Martyn Wyndham–Read and No Man's Band – Oceans in the Sky. 2005
 * FECD198 Hughie Jones & Friends – Liverpool Connexions. 2005
 * FECD199 Nancy Kerr & James Fagan – Strands of Gold. 2006
 * FECD200 James Keelaghan – Then Again. 2006

CDs (from FECD201)
The New Penguin Book of English Folk Songs 2013
 * FECD201 The Queensberry Rules – The Black Dog & Other Stories. 2006
 * FECD202 Tom Kitching & Gren Bartley – Rushes 2007
 * FECD203 Landmarks – 30 Years of Fellside Recording (3 CDs) 2006
 * FECD204 James Keelaghan – A Few Simple Verses 2006
 * FECD205 Fribo – The Ha' o' Habrahellia 2009
 * FECD206 Bram Taylor – Song Singer 206
 * FECD207 Last Orders 2007
 * FECD208 Frankie Armstrong – Encouragement 2007
 * FECD209 Grace Notes – Northern Tide 2007
 * FECD210 The Queensberry Rules – Landlocked 2007
 * FECD211 Kerr Fagan Harbron – Station House 2008
 * FECD212 Crucible – Love & Money 2008
 * FECD213 Jack McNeill & Charlie Heys – Light Up All the Beacons 2008
 * FECD214 The Maerlock – Sofa 2008
 * FECD215 Rachel & Lillias – Dear Someone 2008
 * FECD216 Peter Bellamy – Fair England's Shore (Double CD) 2008
 * FECD217 Phil Hulse – Unpredicted Storm 2008
 * FECD218 Graham & Sam Pirt – Dance Ti Thee Daddy 2008
 * FECD219 A.L. Lloyd – Ten Thousand Miles (Double CD) 2008
 * FECD220 A.L. Lloyd – An Evening with ... 2010
 * FECD221 Dave Goulder – The Golden Age of Steam 2008
 * FECD222 Tom Kitching & Gren Bartley – Boundary 2009
 * FECD223 Elbow Jane – 3–Side Island 2009
 * FECD224 Andy May – Happy Hours 2009
 * FECD225 Sara Grey – Sandy Boys 2009
 * FECD226 Ken Campbell's Ideal Band 2009
 * FECD227 The Queensberry Rules – Take Your Own Roads 2009
 * FECD228 The Hut People (Sam Pirt & Gary Hammond) – Home Is Where the Hut Is 2009
 * FECD229 Jack McNeill & Charlie Heys – The Northern Road 2009
 * FECD230 Wendy Weatherby – A Shirt of Silk or Snow 2009
 * FECD231 Joseph Topping – Ghosts in the Shadows 2010
 * FECD232 Lizzie Nunnery – Company of Ghosts 2010
 * FECD233 The Urban Folk Quartet 2011
 * FECD234 Suntrap – Unravelling 2010
 * FECD235 Ewan McLennan – Rags & Robes 2010
 * FECD236 All Along the Wall – Various artists 2010
 * FECD237 422 – Go Forth 2010
 * FECD238 James Findlay – Sport and Play 2011
 * FECD239 Pilgrims' Way – Wayside Courtesies 2011
 * FECD240 AL Lloyd – Bramble Briars and Beams of the Sun 2011
 * FECD241 Hedy West – Ballads and Songs from the Appalachians 2011
 * FECD242 Elbow Jane – The Boldest Blood 2011
 * FECD243 Martin & Carthy & Dave Swarbrick – Walnut Creek 2011
 * FECD244 Fiona Cuthill & Stevie Lawrence – A Cruel Kindness 2011
 * FECD245 Jack McNeill & Charlie Heys – Two Fine Days 2012
 * FECD246 Bram Taylor – Jokers & Rogues 2012
 * FECD247 Gren Bartley – Songs to Scythe Back the Overgrown 2012
 * FECD248 The Hut People – Picnic 2012
 * FECD249 Grace Notes – 20 2012
 * FECD250 Ewan McLennan – The Last Bird to Sing 2012
 * FECD251 Greg Russell and Ciaran Algar – The Queen's Lover 2012
 * FECD252 James Findlay – Another Day Another Story 2012
 * FECD253 Peter Bellamy – Barrack Room Ballads 2012
 * FECD254 Hadrian's Union – In Your Own Time 2012
 * FECD255 Joe Tilson – Embers 2012
 * FECD256 Gren Bartley – Winter Fires 2013
 * FECD257 James Findlay, Bella Hardy, Brian Peters, Lucy Ward – The Liberty to Choose – A Selection of Songs from
 * FECD258 Hughie Jones – Maritime Miscellany 2013
 * FECD259 Sara Grey with Kieron Means – Down in Old Dolores 2013
 * FECD260 A.L. Lloyd – Turtle Dove 2013
 * FECD261 Pete Morton – The Frappin' and Ramblin' Pete Morton 2014
 * FECD262 Greg Russell and Ciaran Algar – The Call 2014
 * FECD263 Ewan McLennan – Stories Still Untold 2014
 * FECD264 The Hut People – Cabinet of Curiosities 2014
 * FECD265 Joe Topping – The Vagrant Kings 2014
 * FECD266 Jimmy Aldridge & Sid Goldsmith – Let the Wind Blow High or Low 2014
 * FECD267 Tom Kitching – Interloper 2015
 * FECD268 Gren Bartley – Magnificent Creatures 2015
 * FECD269 Pete Morton – The Land of Time 2015
 * FECD270 Ciaran Algar – The Final Waltz 2016
 * FECD271 Pete Morton with Full House – Game of Life 2016
 * FECD272 The Journey Continues...Fellside at 40 (1976 – 2016) [3 CDs] 2016
 * FECD273 Pete Seeger in England 2016 [2 CDs - recorded London 1958 and Manchester 1964]
 * FECD274 Pilgrims' Way – Red Diesel 2016
 * FECD275 Greg Russell and Ciaran Algar – The Silent Majority 2016
 * FECD276 Vic Gammon & Friends - Early Scottish Ragtime 2016
 * FECD277 Ewan McLennan & George Monbiot - Breaking The Spell Of Loneliness 2016
 * FECD278 Jimmy Aldridge & Sid Goldsmith – Night Hours 2016
 * FECD279 Emily Sanders, Chris Parkinson & Pete Morton – The Magical Christmas Tree 2016
 * FECD280 The Hut People – Routes 2017
 * FECD281 Ciaran Algar - Inclined To Be Red 2017
 * FECD282 Destination: Fellside Recordings 1976 - 2018. The end of an era for a leading folk music label [3 CDs] - 2018
 * FECD283 Rick Kemp - Perfect Blue 2018
 * FECD284 Peter Bellamy - The Maritime Suite 2018 [Reissue of 1982 cassette + 5 bonus tracks]
 * FECD285 Various Artists - Strings That Nimbly Leap: Fylde Guitars And Their Players
 * FECD286 Jez Lowe - The Jez Lowe Fellside Collection [Reissue of 6 Jez Lowe Fellside albums + 9 bonus tracks] [5 CDs]

The Tradition Masters

 * Johnny Collins: The Best of the Early Years (FTSR1) 1998
 * Trip to Harrogate: Tunes & Songs From Joshua Jackson's Book, 1798 (various artists) (FTSR2) 1999
 * Enlist for a Soldier: The Soldier in Song From the English Civil War to the Falklands (various artists) (FTSR3) 2002
 * The Bold Navigators: The Story of England's Canals in Song (various artists) (FTSR4) 1999
 * Seasons, Ceremonies & Rituals: The Calendar in Traditional Song (various artists) (FTSR5) 2002

Jazz albums on LAKE

 * The Controversial Bruce Turner: That's the Blues, Dad (LACD49)
 * The Great Revival: Traditional Jazz 1949–1958 (various artists) (LACD136)
 * The Great Revival: Traditional Jazz 1949–1958 Vol. 4 (various artists) (LACD137)
 * The Great Revival: Traditional Jazz 1949–1958 Vol. 5 (various artists) (LACD158)
 * Bruce Turner Jump Band: Jumpin' for Joy (LACD159)
 * Dutch Swing College Band: Vintage Vol. 1 1948–1949 (LACD177)
 * Bruce Turner: The Jump Band Collection (LACD184)
 * Ken Colyer's Jazzmen: New Orleans to London & Back to the Delta (LACD209)
 * Chris Barber's Jazz Band: International Classic Concerts (LAVCD210D) (double album)
 * T.J. Johnson: TJ Johnson Presents Bourbon Kick (LACD214)
 * Alex Welsh and His Band: Echoes of Chicago (LACD215)
 * Humphry Lyttelton & his Band: Blues in the Night (LACD216)
 * Sims Wheen Vintage Jazz: Band High Spirits (LACD217)
 * Acker Bilk & The Stan Tracey Big Brass: Blue Acker (LACD218)
 * Chris Barber's Jazz Band: Best Yet! (LACD219)
 * Chris Barber's Jazz Band: Jazz Sacred and Secular (LACD222)
 * Ruby Braff with Alex Welsh & His Band: Ruby Braff with Alex Welsh & His Band (LACD223)
 * Monty Sunshine's Jazz Band: A Jazz Club Session (LACD224)
 * Harry Gold & His Pieces of Eight: Bouncing Back (LACD225)
 * Spats Langham & Martin Litton: Lollipops (LACD226)
 * Buck Clayton with Humphry Little & His Band: Le Vrai Buck Clayton (LACD227)
 * Ken Colyer's Jazzmen & Skiffle Group: Ken Colyer 1956 (LACD241)
 * Chris Barber's Jazz Band: Chris Barber 1956 (LACD246)
 * The Traditional Jazz Clarinet Collection (various artists) (LACS2)
 * The Traditional Jazz New Orleans Collection (various artists) (LACS4)

Themed albums

 * Voices: English Traditional Songs (various artists) (FECD87)
 * Rolling Down to Old Maui (various artists) (FECD140)
 * A Celebration of English Traditional Songs and their Australian variants (various artists) (FECD176D, double album)
 * A Celebration of English Traditional Songs and their American variants (various artists) (FECD190D, double album)
 * Trip to Harrowgate (various artists) (FTSR2)
 * Enlist for a Soldier (various artists) (FTSR3)
 * The Bold Navigators (various artists) (FTSR4)
 * Seasons, Ceremonies & Rituals (various artists) (FTSR5)

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Talk:Teratoma

Fact check
Inserted by an anonymous user:

 * The stem cells which are produced by teratocarcinoma were used for medicinal purposes, but only in a few experiments. Per example, a teratoma producing nerval tissue helped restore the brain of a man suffering a stroke.

Does anyone have a reference to substantiate this? It sounds a bit tall to me; stem cells are being considered for Parkinson's, but AFAIK not for CVAs. JFW | T@lk  10:25, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Pluripotent -> Totipotent
According to Robbins Pathologic Basis of Disease, teratomas arise from totipotent cells. Anyone any arguments for the 'pluripotent' as stated here in the first line?

 * I have not seen the term "pluripotent" in the medical literature on teratomas that I have read. The usual term is "totipotent".  However, per Google the terms "pluripotent" and "totipotent" occur at a ratio of 5:1.  And they mean essentially the same thing.  66.167.45.138 04:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Pluripotent and totipotent are not the same thing. Totipotent cells can form trophectoderms while pluripotent cells can't

 * Fair enough.  In the context of this page, though, the question is:  does teratoma derive from one or the other cell type, or both? Una Smith 14:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

 * (N.B. I have knowledge of TSCs and PSCs, but not of teratoma specifically.) Totipotent cells can produce any type of cell (total potential), pluriporent cells can produce many types of related cell (plural potential). Pluripotent cells are derived from totipotent cells. Since the cause of a teratoma is a cell becoming cancerous before going along any one line, it would make sense than a cancer of either of these types of cell would cause something along the lines of a teratoma. Although totipotent cells could provide a lot more variety and therefore are more interesting, they are not really found after the first few weeks of gestation, so if they mutate, are less likely to be compatible with life as a foetus is very sensitive to that sort of thing. I expect mutations of pluripotent cells are far more common as there are more of them and they last throughout life, but less interesting; but I don't know if they would have a different name.--KX36 (talk) 14:45, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

 * I think the article needs some refs re this question of origin, and explanation. (Refs first!)  Medical case reports and other articles about teratomas often begin by repeating the "totipotent" story, but what is the basis for that story?  --Una Smith (talk) 21:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Incidence of teratomas by location
I removed the following list item because it hints at a larger table, but has only one entry from the bottom of that table, which just looks a bit odd sitting by itself out there. It's kind of like saying, "1% of teratomas are gastric", which is sort of trivia without information about that other 99%. Really the solution is to have a complete table of teratoma incidence by location, but until that becomes available, I've moved the graf here.Collabi 19:42, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Stomach 1%

External link
Why is http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/teratomas/ being removed? Fred Bauder 01:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Because it is without question external link spam. Someone else removed a link to another support group. I allowed that one because that group has a public archive. This one does not, so I do not know that it is in fact what its promoters purport it to be. I am not the only editor who has removed it, BTW. Are you a subscriber? If not, what is your interest? --Una Smith 16:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Una,

How is it that you have decided unilaterally to classify this link as spam?
 * Baby with a large facial teratoma cured by surgery (with photos)

It is without question not spam, it is the story of a little girl from California who suffered a large facial teratoma and was cured by surgery. It contains photos of the teratoma and may be of interest to Wikipedia readers who are interested in learning more about teratomas. There are no ads or references to objectionable material in the article or anywhere on the site, perhaps you deleted it in error.

I believe if you refer to Wikipedia's policy on external links, you will see that the story about the little girl with the teratoma fits the criteria of being an appropriate link.

Lastly, after reading this, I hope you are acting sincerely and netutrally regarding this issue. Above you mention that you allowed a link to another support group because it has a public archive, but from this, it appears as if it was you who added the link.

I am hoping that this is a misunderstanding and that your POV is neutral and within the spirit of Wikipedia.

60.51.252.34 23:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

History
Misc. snippets for future history section. --Una Smith (talk) 22:55, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Old terms for teratoma: dysembryoma.

picture suggestion
not sure how to add pictures, but i think this one would be good  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mongreilf (talk • contribs) 16:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Considering the frankly disturbing nature of pictures of this disorder, I would argue they should be linked to and not added to the page. 69.248.158.72 (talk) 22:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

umm hey dude i would argue you should get over yourself and remember that wikipedia is not censored 172.130.54.176 (talk) 04:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Um, was that picture even originally a teratoma? I seriously have my doubts. It looks like just an artistic photshop job to me. — NRen2k5 (TALK), 19:22, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Which picture? File:Mature cystic teratoma of ovary.jpg (used in the article now) is by a pathologist whose website has many equally informative photos.  Also, I have seen similar photos in pathology textbooks and elsewhere.  --Una Smith (talk) 22:15, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I think an interesting, non-disgusting photograph could be found without a great deal of difficulty. For example, for several months, one of our dogs had a teratoma -- a toenail growing in the middle of her ear. It looked odd but not disgusting. It eventually just fell off. The doctor said they were quite common in dogs. 71.175.4.207 (talk) 15:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

New section: Teratomas in popular culture?
Is it appropriate to add a section "Teratomas in popular culture"? Stephen King's The Dark Half, Grey's Anatomy: Something to Talk About (Grey's Anatomy)...? samwaltz (talk) 22:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Good idea - Louis de Berniere's "The Troublesome Offspring of Cardinal Guzman" includes a significant passage involving the discovery of an unusually developed Teratoma. Butcherscross (talk) 15:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Possible Reference Article
Doctors induce 5-month coma to save woman's life It seems this poor woman had a rare reaction to a teratoma - antibodies produced in response to a teratoma started attacking her healthy brain. Thought it might be of some interest here Jedikaiti (talk) 22:54, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

I have a question: how do fully formed limbs, hands, feet, and organs form like this? fetiform teratomas have been knonw tho have entire heads, how do these devolp? has it eveyr been thought to ariffically induce them for organ harvesting? 173.160.74.137 (talk) 08:08, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

"Fetus" in Teratoma
Does anyone have more information on this? It's far outside of my expertise, but as a reader I am fascinated by this and think it could (maybe?) be expanded on in the article by someone more knowledgeable. 174.17.180.214 (talk) 10:49, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Why does "dysembryoma" redirect here?
The word is not used or explained in the article. 86.159.197.174 (talk) 05:40, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

 * It is a term often used synonymously with teratoma. I will add some coverage of synonyms/hypernyms/hyponyms in the article. Quercus solaris (talk) 17:08, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Thanks. 86.159.197.174 (talk) 09:04, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Stock (food)

Broth
Seriously, you can tell the author's are American... Broth is in NO WAY the same as stock... Next time you vist the UK or Ireland ask for a bowl of stock and a bowl of broth in a restaurant and see what you get... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.82.8.106 (talk) 12:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Fume vs. fumet vs. stock
I haven't heard of "fume" but do you mean "fish fumet"? If so, I think that fish fumet and fish stock are two different things -- fumet is a *concentrated* fish stock where the ingrediants have been first browned together in a pan. Also according to the Larousse Gastronomique -- and my cooking teacher -- cooking fish stock for more than 30-45 minutes spoils the flavor.

Re: I am in agreement here, about the cooking time. However, Fumet is neither concentrated, nor browned. A slightly different Mirepoix is used, known as 'white mirepoix' which replaces carrots with parsnips or turnips or mushrooms. None of these ingredients are pre-cooked. Often, white wine is added as well.

Concentrating the Fumet might result in it tasting very much like, will... old fish.

Gisslen
This article reads like something taken out of Wayne Gisslen's "professional cooking."

Stock v. Broth
I think I grasp this pretty well except for one thing: vegetables. Shouldn't all vegetable-derived liquids (vegetable foo, mushroom foo) be broths, since there're no bones involved? Or can vegetable stock depend on animal or vegetable gelatinizers and thus be different from vegetable broth? My grocery shelves imply the first, but I don't think that that's a reliable source. Also, are there any regional variations in usage? VermillionBird 00:19, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Someone just erased a paragraph about meat and fish. I am confused. There's a sentence about fish stock made from bonito flakes -- is that actually broth, even though everyone calls it stock? --csloat 08:41, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

 * OK guys, here it is: there is no real difference between stock and broth, the two terms can be (and are) used interchangeably. Sure, in general, stock is made from bones and broth from meat, but they don't have to be. After all, what do you get when you have something flavored by both meat and bones, "stroth?" And I know there is such thing as vegetable stock. As far as actual practical usage goes, stock usually refers to when the "flavored liquid" is going to be used as an ingredient in a greater dish, and broth is what's plated as final product (soup being just broth or a combination of solid ingredients and broth). But even in this usage, the terms are interchangeable. Check out this page for one source: http://www.pgacon.com/KitchenMyths.htm   There's nothing wrong with using "stock" to refer to liquid flavored by bones and "broth" for liquid which is flavored by meat, just be aware that there's no real hard and fast rule. Durty Willy 21:37, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

 * The word 'stock' actually describes a type of broth that requires a very specific formula and procedure in its making in order to standardize the foods that are derived from it, which is not so with broth.

 * Durty Willy 07:42, 11 June 2006 (UTC)Please, cite your source, Ironlion45, and if you do, I can cite more than one definition, each contridicting each other, from equally accredited sources. Actually, you citing multiple sources would be preferred (save me some time ;)). What you describe above is closer to describing "recipe" than "stock." One can have "a very specific formula and procedure in its making in order to standardize the foods that are derived from it" and still have a final product of the "formula and procedure" as a finished item or an ingredient of another item. Multiple and varied recipes for "Lady Fingers" can result in both a finished product and what you describe as a "standardized ingredient," (for example, in "Insalata Inglacia," etc.) and I haven't seen two recipes for Lady Finger cakes that are identical, or even strictly similar to each other (except for shape and sweetness of the end product). Lady Fingers can be the product of a complex process, or just sliced up cupcakes. I've seen them cookie-like and cake-like. Ur...Lady Fingers is kind of a weird example; chili might be better. Or maybe not, people get kind of weird about chili. Maybe you mean something more like demi-glace? Again, no. Demi-glace, for instance, will have some variation in its creation depending on source, but the production is still similar no matter who's making it. Demi-glace means demi-glace, but stock and broth is still defined by it's users (both propessional and amature) even more wildly than lady fingers.  Durty Willy 07:42, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Stock is a soup? The section 'Comparison with broth' states: Broth differs in that it is a basic soup... The soup page states that stock can be an ingredient to make a soup. So, I think this creates an ambiguous definition. What should be the basic preparation, soup or stock? Chimalli (talk) 14:29, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

I think it's a little simpler than all of the above. Per the Thorndike-Barnhart dictionary a stock is the ingredient of something else. A broth can be a stock. I often use vegetable and meat broths as stocks. if it's an ingredient of something else it's a stock. It's raw material for something. Dave Kramer

Source
If anyone wants to use this, I got it from On Food and Cooking by Harold McGee.

The reason that we start with a cold liquid, such water/remouillage for stock, or broth/stock for consomme, is more for the purpose of clarity than of protein extraction. When brought slowly to a simmer, proteins will bind together(coagulate) into somewhat cohesive massesas they slowly rise to the surface. If hot water is used to start, or if the liquid is boiled rapidly instead of being simmered, the impurities will break apart and make it more difficult to skim. Mr. Mcgee does not mention any sealing or other benifits to protein extraction. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.161.120.135 (talk) 15:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

Difference between stock, broth and bouillon?
Can someone please explain the difference between stock, broth and bouillon to me? According to the latter, stock serves a completely different purpose in the french cuisine than broth and bouillon. But what purpose? Stock is made from bones (if not completely from vegetables) while broth can be made from both bones and meat? --Ediug (talk) 03:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Let the academic infos to speak.....its derivatives...
--58.38.43.52 (talk) 05:17, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * http://scholar.google.com.hk/scholar?hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+stock+powder&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

--58.38.43.52 (talk) 05:18, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * http://scholar.google.com.hk/scholar?hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+bouillon+powder&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

--58.38.43.52 (talk) 05:18, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * http://scholar.google.com.hk/scholar?hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+broth+powder&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

Merger proposal
I propose that Bone broth be merged with Stock (food). The differences between "Bone broth" and "stock" appear to be negligible, and the article presents no citations to explain why Bone broth must be cooked a longer time. As for the added spices, the stock article clearly says that flavoring so are an ingredient in Stock. There's hardly anything left of the original article, which was written by a spammer/SPA. There's not much to merge other than the name, which could be added to the list of types of stock. Tim D. Williamson yak-yak 03:41, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Support: I can't find any evidence to indicate that bone broth is different from stock in any way, except that bone broth is the term used when stock is drank from a mug. A couple places indicated the difference is that the bones break down into powder in a bone broth, which would mean bone broth is just overcooked stock with a pretty name. -- T K K ! bark with me!  19:28, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

New stock versus broth template
I have created a template for the "Stock versus broth" section like the "Shrimp versus prawn" section in those articles. This is so the content appears identically in both articles.

It now contains the content from both stock and broth articles. There may be some redundancies that need sorting out.

It can be edited at Template:Stock versus broth.

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:42, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

example of In Popular Culture
This isn't really about stock as a food. Grogu could have been drinking anything and the scene would have been identical.that's the definition of a meaningless and irrelevant trivia item.

If "he could be eating something else" or "the specific type of food need to change the scene" were valid objections we could hardly ever discuss food in movies and other culture. Read MOS:CULTURALREFS and first note the absence of your made-up conditions for inclusion, and secondly please tell me how to implement an example ever if I need to meet arbitrary criteria such as yours.

In contrast, I have provided quality sources that discuss the way a character consumed the specific subject of this article (bone broth) and how that impacted culture. If you have any objections against this, I'd like to hear it, User:Oknazevad. CapnZapp (talk) 06:01, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

 * I stated my reasoning in my edit summary. The passage is also poorly written; we shouldn't use the fan nickname even if the old sources do because they were written before the episode revealing Grogu's name was revealed. Speaking of the sources, they're improperly formatted (bare URLs) and most don't really support the idea of "bone broth" impacting popular culture. They're about Grogu's popularity and a meme, not the soup. The second one is just a regurgitation of a Know Your Meme post. Third one is a passing mention. The last one, and the near verbatim last sentence taken from it, are less than a passing mention. What none of them are the actual potential source mentioned in the guideline. What all of them lack is coverage of the subject of this article, which is stock, in some depth, as the guideline explicitly calls for. I'm not making up any new criteria, I'm calling for actual compliance with the existing criteria. oknazevad (talk) 11:00, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * First off, that guideline made an example. Please don't pretend it is a prescriptive part of the guideline that any article discussing Baby Yoda's bone broth must discuss recipes. (That said, here are two:  Not that I see the point, but maybe that's what missing according to you. I'd be happy to include them.)  Please don't call the writing of other editors "poor" just because they don't use the naming you prefer, and definitely don't revert such work. The source I quoted used the name "Baby Yoda" over and over again so I made a judgement call and deemed using anything else to be more confusing than worth it. It's not as if I broke a rule or anything, and besides: piped links exists (and I used them). Likewise, if you find bare URLs less than ideal, and can't simply be thankful sources were added at all, please go ahead and fix them. What you don't get to do is revert such additions — bare URLs are not prohibited, and using them is not grounds for reversion. From the bare URL information page:  Adding a bare URL reference to Wikipedia is much more helpful than no reference. If you only have time and inclination to copy the reference URL you found, that is a helpful first step, and we thank you for your contribution!  Finally back to your first sentence: I stated my reasoning in my edit summary. No, as I stated, you raised some objections. I addressed them. I countered them. You don't get to just repeat them. If you don't respond to my specific arguments, I'm going to assume you drop those objections, so please don't just refer to them as if they're still valid. In summary, you've thrown a wide array of arguments at me, but at the end of the line it seems you undid my work because you didn't like it?  CapnZapp (talk) 20:35, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, you seem to miss my point, which is that the contents of Grogu's cup being bone broth is incidental and non-defining, and therefore doesn't rise to anything more than a trivial passing mention, the exact sort of thing the guideline is supppsed to discourage. oknazevad (talk) 22:47, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * No, I didn't miss your point. I addressed it at the top of this talk section: If "he could be eating something else"... You haven't engaged here. Instead you added more objections - all of which I have also responded to. Now you're circling back to your first objections. (At least that must mean you have accepted my answers and dropped those extra objections?) The point is that when our guidelines discussion "trivial passing mentions" they're talking about sources. You appear to talk about the show itself. There's a difference. We are discouraged from using sources that just mention "Baby Yoda had bone broth". But that's not the kind of sources I've supplied. As for whether the actual tv show mention was "trivial" or "passing", that's not up to us. That's up to our sources to decide. CapnZapp (talk) 13:05, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * My assessment upon reading the sources is that the material here is not sufficient for inclusion. The entire second sentence quoting Bryce Dallas Howard has nothing to do with bone broth and everything to do with Baby Yoda. It doesn't add anything to the article of substance. oknazevad (talk) 15:16, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

First off - for the future, please change your arguing style. You have responded multiple times and this is the first time I would say you engage in a real discussion. Stop wasting the time of other editors by basically throwing everything at them to see what sticks - that style of argument is exhausting and counterproductive. Even more exasperating, please realize you basically ignore any of my counter-arguments without conceding you saw my point. To be blunt: you don't get to force other editors to meet your spurious arguments and then move on like nothing happened, despite forcing that other editor to choose from backing down or wasting time meeting those nonsensical arguments. It gives you the air of an editor that struggles to admit when you make featherweight arguments or wrong calls. It makes you out to be an editor attempting to "win" discussions by exhausting your counterpart, rather than engaging in respectful and honest discussion. Thank you.

Now then:

Which of the sources do you feel fails to establish the fact I'm trying to convey here, that Baby Yoda's bone broth moment had a pop-cultural impact? And for the third time, you need to expand upon "it doesn't add anything of substance" - you can't just repeat that as a shield against having to actually discuss the issue. Again, I ask you: are you sure you don't mix up our policies here? You appear to argue that just because you don't feel this moment was significant, and/or that the fact none of the sources discuss the actual contents of, recipe to, or preparation of, the bone broth in question, disqualifies the fact from inclusion. But what policy do you base this off of? Instead, I have supplied sources that establishes that bone broth has had at least one impactful moment in popular culture, which is what In Popular Culture sections are meant for. CapnZapp (talk) 06:30, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll give it a further few days before I'll assume the point has been conceded, and that I can restore my edit. Cheers CapnZapp (talk) 12:57, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Excuse me for being busy in real life and not responding sooner. I never changed my argument style, nor my point, which remains that while that moment of Grogu sipping soup may have had some immediate pop culture impact, it is incidental and trivial that it was said to be bone broth. The impact was entirely about Baby Yoda being cute, not what was in the cup. Even the sources say that. That's why it's irrelevant to this article, which is not about Baby Yoda (where this would be appropriate) but is about one of the oldest and most important basic food stuffs in the world. It's WP:RECENTISM at best, utterly trivial, and makes Wikipedia look like TV Tropes. oknazevad (talk) 14:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * One, the difference between Wikipedia and TV tropes is: they don't require editors to source claims, and establish that their tropes has actually been discussed in relevant sources. Your comparison, unfortunately, comes across as derogatory - as if you want to suggest Baby Yoda's bone broth was not discussed in several reputable media. That you think it is "utterly trivial" remains a light-weight argument. Clearly another editor (me) disagrees, so let's say our two opinions is a wash, removing that argument from the table. RECENTISM probably doesn't mean what you think it means (but I could be wrong). My most charitable interpretation is that you're saying that only cultural moments that are still discussed many years after the event should be included on Wikipedia, and that we should hold off any inclusion. This is clearly not a supportable position - we aren't news, but we do include events and impacts as soon as it is clear they became notable or impactful. Are you saying you don't think enough time has passed for Baby Yoda's bone broth moment to be considered impactful by reputable sources?  As for you being busy, that's quite alright. I did check your contribution history - had I seen zero activity I would have held off any comment, but since you proceeded to edit elsewhere after my last comment, and because of your earlier prompt replies, I wanted to make sure you hadn't disengaged. Regards CapnZapp (talk) 15:22, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You still aren't addressing my point. Address the argument, not the person, please.
 * Those sources do not support your claims that they're discussing bone broth. They clearly are about baby Yoda's popularity, not the food he happened to be slurping down. All they do at most is verify that it was called bone broth, high the original episode does. They do nothing to establish the notability of that fact to the subject of this article.
 * I don't think it rises to worthy of inclusion here. This is an article about a major and ancient component of food, and minor passing mentions in pop culture are unworthy of inclusion. It is unimportant to an understanding of the subject. We're writing an encyclopedia, not a magazine article. It would be exercised by any professional writer or editors It makes Wikipedia look unprofessional to insist on inclusion. oknazevad (talk) 19:50, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You speak about "major and ancient" as if this article somehow is above pop culture. Get off your high horse. I got the idea to add the text from Wikipedia's own policy, which clearly is open to the idea of adding pop cultural references even to a "major and ancient" (rolleyes) article subject. What you call "minor passing mentions" is what pop cultural mentions usually amounts to. Are you sure you accept In Popular Culture sections at all, because so far you have taken exactly zero steps to provide constructive suggestions, only playing the part of a gatekeeper saying "no". I have already suggested two additional sources "discussing" the contents of Baby Yoda's broth. So far you have ignored them. CapnZapp (talk) 10:11, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Let's ask for a third opinion. oknazevad (talk) 02:33, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Seeing that you have only used 3O once (back in 2017), and that the article still appears to heed the uninvolved editor's advice, that seems fair. I am still smarting from how much time you made me waste on spurious arguments, though, and no matter how this ends, I sincerely hope you reconsider your future editing - and reverting - interactions with other editors. CapnZapp (talk) 15:12, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll give it a further few days to give you time to read my reply and decide on how you want to proceed. Hopefully you understand that given your absence, I will choose to interpret it as you choosing to disengage. CapnZapp (talk) 10:59, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I ask you to file the 3O request, being you're the one looking to add material that's been challenged. oknazevad (talk) 13:52, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * No. You brought this idea up, not I. If you persist in opposing my addition without even once giving a constructive counter offer, and you expect me to escalate, 3O is not going to be my choice. But let's not discuss that. Instead - as I see it, the best path forward right now is to again ask you: what lofty ideals do I have to fulfill in order to be given your personal seal of approval? What about Baby Yoda's eating of bone broth is missing for you to stop opposing the addition? How much more of a cultural moment does it need to be for you to give it your royal assent? Only once did you come close to giving a hint: when you referred to the text in the In Popular Culture policy example. But when I did supply recipes, I got only dead silence in return. CapnZapp (talk) 18:37, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:The Needles

Links
This page is over zealously linked. References to 'sea', 'cliff' and 'lighthouse' should be removed.

 * No, they shouldnt. If you read the pages on sea, cliff and lighthouse you'll find there's a lot of information extremely relevant to The Needles, which is not general knowledge. --Steinsky 11:00, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * (P.S., you can sign your name on talk pages with four tildes: ~ .)

The Needles Old battery
"The Needles Old battery was built on the cliff top above the stacks in 1861–63 to guard the West end of the Solent." Before we are told where the "Old battery" was built, wouldn't it be nice to know what the "Old battery" is? Xientist 00:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Voila! Hope it makes sense to you now. Naturenet | Talk 16:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
The Needles (chalk stacks) → The Needles – Disambiguation page was created which usurped the correct geographic name of this page and added a redlink to a band some hours ago. I have moved the disambig page to The Needles (Disambiguation), but am unable to move "Chalk Stacks" back to The Needles without admin assistance. Fiddle Faddle 08:36, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

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 * This page should not have been moved in the first place. The correct disambiguation page The Needles (disambiguation) should have been created and this page mad an entry in that.  "The Needles" is the correct geographic name for this location. I have created the disambig page with a correct title, but am unable to move this page back without assistance.  While we are always encouraged to be bold, moving The Needles without at least a talk page discussion was a bold step too far. Fiddle Faddle 08:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I did, however, mess up the creation of the disambig page by first creating The Needles (Disambiguation) and then moving it to The Needles (disambiguation), which may or may not cause problems with the move back. Apologies.  Fiddle Faddle 08:47, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I've moved it William M. Connolley 09:32, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

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I removed this text which is unencyclopedic:

Are visitors renting the Coastguard Cottages permitted to bring their vehicle? Clarification required.

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Stacks?
What does this sentence mean exactly?

The Needles Old Battery was a military installation built on the cliff top above the stacks in 1861–63 to guard the West end of the Solent.

What is a stack? --Filll 14:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

 * It is a term for a tall rock in the sea. Naturenet | Talk 17:15, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

17th century image
Discussion here on this, with pictures. Drutt (talk) 03:42, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Coordinate error
The following coordinate fixes are needed for

The Needles, in Google Earth's kml file

presently: 50°40'32.79"N (50.675776), 1°32'55.21"W (-1.548670)

should be: 50°39'45.15"N (50.662541), 1°35'22.90"W (-1.589694)

The present kml file appears to be someone's (home) address: 1 Woodlands, Totland Bay, PO39 0FE, UK and is over 2 miles from the Needles.

—Polemyx (talk) 00:00, 12 October 2011 (UTC) --Polemyx (talk) 00:00, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

 * (mostly) — The coordinates in the article were basically correct, resolving to a point about 400m north of the Needles. The reason you were taken to the wrong place is that Google, especially Google Earth but occasionally Google Maps as well, will take you to the wrong place even though provided with proper coordinates. It's a Google problem, not a Wikipedia problem. (If you'll look at the link text, you will see that it's Google, not Wikipedia that is generating the klm and that Google is being provided with the correct coordinates.) Google has been long ago informed of the problem but has not fixed it. By the way, if in GeoHack you'll use the "w/ meta data" link for Google Earth, rather than the "Open" link, it will (almost?) always work correctly. Acme Mapper and Wikimapia will always take you to the right location. I did improve the coords slightly (from 50.66611°N, -1.59111°W to 50.6627°N, -1.58933°W) so they point directly at the Needles rather than 400m off, but I note that the Google Earth "Open" link still takes you to Totland Bay. — TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 18:33, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

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Shouldn't it be named "Needles"? There was a discussion about the Solent (link), how is this case different?--Adûnâi (talk) 00:53, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

 * I don't think so. WP:THE mentions two conditions under which we might put "The" in front of the name:
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 * The Needles meets the first criterion in a way the T/the Solent does not. It arguably meets the second one too. Naturenet | Talk 07:07, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

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Wrecks
Should known wrecks be included in the article? There is a category: Shipwrecks of the Needles, with four entries.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  16:11, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
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Beater

Beater may refer to:

Clothes

 * Beater (weaving), a tool used to force woven yarn into place
 * Carpet beater, a housecleaning tool used to beat carpets, clothes, and bedding to shake the dust and dirt out of them.
 * A shortening of "wifebeater" (shirt), a colloquialism for particular style of sleeveless shirt

Music

 * Any of various types of percussion mallets
 * A rute
 * The striking part of a Bass drum pedal
 * The cipín used for playing the bodhrán

Fiction

 * A position in the fictional game of Quidditch from the Harry Potter series
 * Another name for Glamdring, Gandalf's sword, in J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit
 * A name the main character Kirito, takes in the anime Sword Art Online

Technology

 * A machine used in papermaking
 * An attachment for a cooking mixer
 * Egg beater (disambiguation)
 * A jalopy, or by extension, a car meant for daily use and not for show

People with the surname

 * Bruno Beater (1914–1982), East German intelligence officer and politician

Other uses

 * A harp seal, that is approximately 3–4 weeks to one year of age
 * A beater in hunting, a person who drives game out of areas of cover by swinging sticks or flags
 * MV Beater, a sealer wrecked by Hurricane Daisy in October 1962

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Cosenza

Cosenza (local dialect: Cusenza, ) is a city located in Calabria, Italy. The city centre has a population of approximately 70,000, while the urban area counts more than 200,000 inhabitants. It is the capital of the province of Cosenza, which has a population of more than 700,000. The demonym of Cosenza in English is Cosentian.

The ancient town is the seat of the Cosentian Academy, one of the oldest academies of philosophical and literary studies in Italy and Europe. To this day, Cosenza remains a cultural hub, with several museums, monuments, theatres and libraries. The modern city is the centre of an urban agglomeration including, among others, the municipality of Rende, where the University of Calabria is located.

Geography

Situated at the confluence of two historical rivers, the Busento and the Crati, Cosenza stands 238 m above sea level in a valley between the Sila and the coastal range of mountains. The old town, overshadowed by its Swabian castle, descends to the river Crati. The modern city lies to the north, beyond the Busento, on level ground.

Almost completely surrounded by mountains, Cosenza is subject to a microclimate scarcely influenced by the effects of the Mediterranean Sea. It experiences cold winters and hot summers.

Origins
The ancient Consentia (Κωσεντία), capital of the Italic tribe of the Brettii, was a bulwark of the Italic people against the Hellenic influences of the Ionian colonies. It was in this province that the Battle of Pandosia was fought, in which a small Italic army composed of Brettii and Lucanians defeated the uncle of Alexander the Great, who was known as Alexander of Epirus. Over the centuries, Cosenza maintained a distinctive character, that marked it out among the cities of the region. Under Emperor Augustus, it became an important stopover on the Roman route via Popilia, which connected Calabria to Sicily. During the Roman Empire, the town benefited from municipal privileges.

Alaric's legendary tomb

In 410 AD, Alaric I, king of the Visigoths, sacked the city of Rome, becoming the first foreign enemy to capture the city in more than 800 years. Alaric amassed a great amount of treasure during his conquest of Rome. According to the historian Jordanes, after sacking Rome Alaric headed south with his troops, advancing easily until reaching the area of Cosenza, where he died. No one is certain how this happened: Some believe he contracted a disease that took his life, while others feel that his death came from an attack by enemy forces. In any case, his troops honored their king by burying him in a tomb in Cosenza. His burial place is said to have been at the confluence of the Busento and Crathis rivers. A horde of slaves were used to divert the water from the Busento, allowing them to dig a tomb large enough for Alaric, his horse, and all of the treasure amassed from his conquests in Rome. Once the tomb was completed, the river was returned to its bed and the tomb covered with water. Then, to ensure that no one would reveal this location to anyone, Alaric's troops killed all of the slaves.

In the centuries after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, several towns in the province of Cosenza, most notably Rossano, refused to acknowledge the new governments of the Ostrogoths. Instead, they used their good fortune of having strong city walls and small Roman garrisons to hold out for centuries as semi-independent enclaves of the still extant Eastern Roman Empire in Italy.

Norman, Hohenstaufen, and Angevin period
Bitterly disputed between the Saracens and the Lombards, the town was destroyed, then rebuilt around 988; only to be ravaged again in the early eleventh century. In the attempt to escape the devastation, the population left the town and sheltered on the surrounding hills where they built some small hamlets (still denominated as, casali).

By the first half of the eleventh century, Lombard Calabria became a feudal dukedom of the Normans, with Cosenza as the capital. The town soon rebelled against the rule of Roger Guiscard and was recaptured only after a long siege. Subsequently, under the Hohenstaufen rule, the town became the seat of the Court of Calabria (Curia Generale). Emperor Frederick II had a particular interest in the town: he promoted construction and economic activities, organising an important annual fair.

Subsequently, Cosenza fought bitterly against the Angevin domination, supported by the clergy. While the uprising spread through the valley of the Crathis, the town was involved in the see-sawing fight between Angevins and the Crown of Aragon. In 1432, King Louis III of Anjou settled in the castle of Cosenza with his wife Margaret of Savoy. When he died untimely, in 1434, he was buried in the cathedral.

Spanish domination
In 1500, in spite of resistance, Cosenza was occupied by the Spanish army led by Captain Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba. During the sixteenth century the town experienced a period of expansion as the seat of the Viceroy of Calabria. At the same time its cultural importance grew thanks to the foundation of the Accademia Cosentina; among its most renowned members were Bernardino Telesio, Aulo Gianni Parrasio, the Martirano brothers, Antonio Serra, and others.

In 1707, the Austrians succeeded the Spanish in the Kingdom of Naples, followed by the Bourbons. After the proclamation in 1799 of the short-lived Parthenopean Republic and a vain resistance, the town was finally occupied for the Bourbons by Cardinal Fabrizio Ruffo's Lazzari. Cardinal Ruffo was native of the province of Cosenza.

Modern age
From 1806 to 1815, Cosentians fought hard against French domination. Cruel suppressions characterised that period and it was a cradle of the Carbonari secret societies. In 1813, the town saw many rebels executed. The local riots of 1821 and 1837 heralded the Risorgimento. They were followed by the uprising of 15 March 1844, which reached its climax with the “noble folly” of the Bandiera Brothers, who were executed together with some of their followers in the Vallone di Rovito in Cosenza. In 1860, some months after the rapid and overwhelmingly heroic deeds of Garibaldi's troops, a plebiscite proclaimed the annexation of Calabria to the new Kingdom of Italy.

Church of San Domenico

Founded in 1448, the Church of San Domenico combines Medieval and Renaissance architectural elements. Its most interesting feature is the rose window defined by 16 little tuff columns. The wooden portal (1614) is inlaid with floral motifs, figures of saints, and coats of arms.

Inside the church are works by the sanfilese painter Antonio Granata, such as the canvas depicting the Madonna of the Rosary between Saints Dominic and Agnese da Montepulciano preserved in the ancient choir used today as a sacristy in the church (late eighteenth century). The high altar is made of polychrome marble (1767). In the transept, there is a Deposition and a San Vincenzo Ferreri (late eighteenth century, anonymous). The sacristy is noted for its ribbed vault, a double lancet window with a narrow arch, and a wooden choir installed in 1635.

The Cathedral
The exact origins of the Duomo (Cathedral of Santa Maria Assunta) are unknown; it was probably built during the first half of the eleventh century. An earthquake destroyed the cathedral on 9 June 1184, and rebuilding was completed by 1222, when the cathedral was consecrated by Emperor Frederick II. At some point during the first half of the eighteenth century the church was covered by a baroque superstructure that obliterated the original structure and its works of art. In the first half of the nineteenth century the façade was transformed in neo-gothic style, which completely changed its character. At the end of the nineteenth century, Archbishop Camillo Sorgente entrusted restoration work to Pisanti, who recovered the original old arches and the ancient structure of the church. In the 1940s the work was finally completed.

The tomb of Isabella of Aragon, wife of king Philip III of France is in the transept. A long aisle links the Duomo to the palace of the archbishop, the Palazzo Arcivescovile, which houses an Immacolata by Luca Giordano. One can also see a rare and precious Stauroteca. A Stauroteca is a relic containing fragments of wood from the cross of Christ. It generally has a rectangular and flat rectangular cross or rectangular tee with cruciform recipe used to guard the relic. It was a gift from Emperor Frederick II to the Duomo upon consecration. The work was produced in workshops of the royal goldsmiths, better known as "Tiraz", in a cultural environment blending Arabic, Byzantine, and Western cultural elements.

Monastero delle Vergini
The "Convent of the Virgins" stands in via Gaetano Argento. The external part of the main entrance is made of decorated tuff, while the internal part is carved of wood. The convent contains a sixteenth-century painting of the Annunciation. In front of it, is the thirteenth-century Madonna del Pilerio attributed to Giovanni da Taranto, while on the walls are four other anonymous sixteenth-century paintings: the Visitation, the Circumcision, the Adoration of the Shepherds, and the Adoration of the Magi. In the apse is the altarpiece Transit of the Virgin (1570). The cymatium houses a painting portraying the Coronation of the Virgin, while at the base of the two columns are paintings of two unidentified saints that are attributed to Michele Curia, the "Master of Montecalvario". The wooden choir dates to the seventeenth century.

Giostra Vecchia
In the fifteenth century, at Palazzo Falvo the Renaissance was introduced at Cosenza, in the Giostra Vecchia. Here are located the church and monastery of Saint Francis of Assisi. The Latin cross plan has a nave and two aisles. In the nave stands the impressive high wooden altar built in 1700. Above it is a painting by Daniele Russo representing the Perdono d’Assisi (1618). The left aisle is home to a wooden seventeenth-century crucifix, the altar of the Madonna della Febbre and the statue of the Madonna with Child, in marble, dating to the sixteenth century. The sacristy has a painted wooden ceiling, a wooden armadio representing episodes from the Passion of Christ, and paintings of saints and Franciscan friars. The stone arch is characterized by the painting of St. Francis of Paola, while on the walls are some frescoes dating to the beginning of the fifteenth century.

Hohenstaufen Castle

The Castello Svevo ("Swabian" or Hohenstaufen Castle) was originally built by the Saracens on the ruins of the ancient Rocca Brutia, around the year 1000. The castle was restored by Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor, adding the octagonal tower to the original structure, in 1239. According to tradition, his son Henry lived in this castle, as a prisoner at his father's command. Louis III of Naples and Margaret of Savoy married in the castle and they both settled there in 1432.

All signs of the ancient Saracen structure have now disappeared. In the internal cloister, the modifications made by the Bourbons in order to convert it into a prison can also be seen. The entrance-hall is covered by ogival arches with engraved brackets. A wide corridor is dominated by some fleur-de-lis from the House of Anjou coat of arms. They are engraved on the ribbed Hohenstaufen arches.

Spirito Santo
The church of Sant'Agostino, also known as the Spirito Santo, was built in 1507 by the Augustinians. The original portal has several inscriptions in Gothic characters. The interior has a series of paintings from the eighteenth century. Further on a narrow street leads to the so-called “Area of the Bandiera Brothers”, the Vallone di Rovito. Here, the insurrectionist patriots of 1844 were executed by a firing squad.

San Francesco di Paola
In the Arenella, are the church and monastery of Saint Francis of Paola (1510). The interior, with a single nave, houses the tomb of Ottavio Cesare Gaeta. On the right wall, are two eighteenth-century paintings: a Sacra Famiglia and Madonna con San Francesco e Sant’Agostino. On an altar is a wooden statue of Saint Francis of Paola; while on the left side of the nave, on another altar, is a wooden statue of San Michele Arcangelo. The Madonna with Child in Glory and Saints Paul and Luke (1551) was painted by Pietro Negroni. In the apse, a sixteenth-century triptych made by Cristoforo Faffeo represents the Madonna and Child in glory with saints Catherine and Sebastian. At the back of the altar is a wooden choir built in 1679 by M. Domenico Costanzo da Rogliano. On the wall of the sacristy are remains of frescoes dating back to 1550–1600. On the vault are some pastels representing scenes from the life of the Saint from Paola.

San Salvatore
The small church of San Salvatore serves the parish that professes the Byzantine-Albanian faith. Inside the nave are a wooden ceiling, some frescoes of the Apostoli, of the Salvatore, and of the Madonna, as well as a splendid iconostasis.

Open Air Museum
In the modern part of Cosenza, in an area stretching from the pedestrianized Corso Mazzini to Piazza Bilotti, lies the open-air "Museo MAB" (Museo all'aperto Bilotti). The museum hosts a wide range of modern art sculptures that stand in the street for residents and tourists. The sculptures were donated to the city by the Italian-American entrepreneur and art collector, Carlo Bilotti. They include Saint George and the Dragon by Salvador Dalí, Hector and Andromache by Giorgio de Chirico, "the Bronzes" by Sacha Sosno, The Bather by Emilio Greco, The Cardinal by Giacomo Manzù, and various marble sculptures by Pietro Consagra.

Museums and cultural institutions

 * National Gallery - Palazzo Arnone
 * Civic Archeological Museum
 * Remembrance Museum
 * Bilotti Open Air Museum
 * Rendano Theatre
 * Morelli Theatre
 * Acquario Theatre
 * Cosentian Academy
 * University of Calabria
 * Music Conservatoire
 * State Archive Library
 * Civic Library
 * National Library
 * District Library
 * Children's Library
 * Antonio Guarasci Foundation Library
 * Calabria Jazz Centre Recordings Archive
 * Theological Library (Seminario Cosentino)
 * Cultural and Ethno-Anthropological Heritage Archive

Sports
Cosenza is home to Serie B football team Cosenza Calcio.

Events and festivals

 * Fiera di S.Giuseppe - March
 * Festival delle Invasioni - July
 * Festa del Cioccolato (Chocolate Festival) - October
 * La sagra dell'uva e del vino (Wine Festival) in Donnici - October

Notable people

 * Joachim of Fiore (theologian, c.1135-1202)
 * Aulo Giano Parrasio (humanist, 1470–1521)
 * Bernardino Telesio (philosopher, 1509–1588)
 * Pietro Negroni (painter, 1505–1565)
 * Antonio Serra (economist, late 1500s)
 * Sertorio Quattromani (philosopher, 1541–1607)
 * Niccolò Pasquali (musician, 1717/18–1757)
 * Francis Pasquali (musician, fl.1743–1795)
 * Francesco Saverio Salfi (writer, 1759–1832)
 * Giovanni Antonio Palazzo (writer, 17th-century)
 * Nicola Misasi (writer, 1850–1923)
 * Alfonso Rendano (pianist, 1853–1931)
 * Alessandro Longo (composer, 1864–1945)
 * Pietro Mancini (politician, 1876–1968)
 * Fausto Gullo (politician, 1887–1974)
 * Stefano Rodotà (politician, 1933-2017)
 * Tony Parisi (wrestler) (1941-2000)
 * Sandra Savaglio (astrophysicist, born 1967)
 * Maria Perrotta (pianist, born 1974)
 * Stefano Fiore (footballer, born 1975)
 * Maria Perrusi (Miss Italia 2009)

Twin towns – sister cities
Cosenza is twinned with:
 * Kenosha, Wisconsin, United States, since 1979
 * Lansing, Michigan, United States, since 2000
 * Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, Canada, since 2010

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Talk:Sad girl in snow

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I'm not clear whether this is a title or a concept, and whether it's significant enough to merit an article. Deb 10:49, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Anime has a whole bunch of weird child articles, like catgirls. If anime fans can verify this one is true and under an appropriate (widely used) title, then give it a chance to grow a bit first. Keep for now. Securiger 12:42, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Seems somewhat idiosyncratic to Megatokyo to me. Seems to be talking about This work in particular, which has apparently been turned into a Thinkgeek blanket. 3,190 google hits. Definately not at the level of catgirls, which have appeared as a major theme in actual anime (e.g. the Ctarl-Ctarl of Outlaw Star, among many others). More akin to a fairly popular SomethingAwful joke, if you ask me, but no vote for now. I am somewhat reminded of the episode of Tenchi Muyo Universe where it's snowing; this may yet be part of a larger phenomenom, although we may be getting into original research land with that. - RedWordSmith 13:35, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * first reference known to me (by Ian Mcconville). Possible Neologism, known by enough artists perhaps to be significant enough for a weak keep. Kim Bruning 16:44, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * The first reference is actually here, by Piro himself. It's reasonably well known, but not its own phenomenon. Merge into Megatokyo, but keep as redirect. --Aponar Kestrel (talk) 00:32, 2004 Oct 12 (UTC)
 * That's really subtle, I missed that one. Thanks for noticing! :-) Kim Bruning 22:59, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete or perhaps merge with moe. Gamaliel 18:38, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: cartoon neologism. Geogre 21:07, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * _Webcomic_ neologism, but known to quite a lot of webcomic people for quite a number of years. (the first ref is already quite old, so maybe "neo"logism is a bit of a misnomer.) Kim Bruning 21:31, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was being mean. I admit it.  I knew it would get people up in arms, and I said it anyway. Geogre 01:16, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC) (fat man in deletionist mood)
 * Merge into moe or Megatokyo. • Benc • 23:36, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Channelling fandom source: established meme, keep.--Bishonen 00:47, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Theme is not notable enough. --Improv 01:19, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fancruft. Wile E. Heresiarch 03:14, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, seems a notable enough concept, after some research. — siro  χ  o  03:51, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)
 * I also call it a weak keep, although I'd like to see the article expanded. Maybe I'll do a little work on it. I've seen this comic parodied and/or referenced to innumerable times in high-traffic webcomics. --Slowking Man 06:33, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)
 * Hmmm the thing is that ater the numerous references on Megatokyo, the term was both used and parodied on a horde of other comics... It's not a neologism since it was first used a few years back and has been reacurring ever since. The concept is okay and while it is disputable i think i'll vote keep... --Asmodai 17:44, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Megatokyo. The phrase is rather common in the webcomic community, and readers should be directed to the relevant article.   — Gwalla | Talk 03:06, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep this one. Mark Richards 17:22, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Megatokyo, as it can never become more than a stub. Ashibaka ✎ 18:56, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge into appropriate article. Apparently a definable concept well-known in a particular field of literature. Sharkford 20:12, 2004 Oct 13 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is =so= Duran Duran. Don't get my point? You just did. Denni ☯ 00:57, 2004 Oct 15 (UTC)
 * Keep. Intrigue 22:38, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Fephisto 00:30, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

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Louis Brennan

Louis Brennan CB (28 January 1852 – 17 January 1932) was an Irish-Australian mechanical engineer and inventor.

Biography
Brennan was born in Castlebar, Ireland, and moved to Melbourne, Australia, in 1861 with his parents. He started his career as a watchmaker and a few years later was articled to Alexander Kennedy Smith, a renowned civil and mechanical engineer of the period. He served as a sergeant in the Victorian Engineers under the command of Captain J. J. Clark. Brennan invented the idea of a steerable torpedo in 1874, from observing that if a thread is pulled on a reel at an angle with suitable leverage, the reel will move away from the thread side. Brennan spent some years working out his invention, and received a grant of £700 from the Victorian government towards his expenses. He patented the Brennan Torpedo in 1877. The idea was trialled at Camden Fort near Crosshaven, Cork, Ireland.

Brennan went to England in 1880 and brought his invention before the War Office. Sir Andrew Clarke alerted the authorities to the possibilities of the torpedo if used in the defence of harbours and channels, and the patent was eventually bought for a sum believed to be more than £100,000 (£ 0 in 2024). In 1887 Brennan was appointed superintendent of the Brennan torpedo factory, and was consulting engineer 1896–1907.

He did much work on a monorail locomotive which was kept upright by a gyrostat. In 1903 he patented a gyroscopically-balanced monorail system that he designed for military use; he successfully demonstrated the full sized system on 10 November 1909, at Gillingham, England. At the Japan–British Exhibition of 1910 at White City, London, he built a mile long monorail track and gave rides for around 40 people at a time on his gyro stabilised 22-ton prototype. Winston Churchill (then Home Secretary) was one of the passengers and then drove the vehicle himself for one circuit. He was so impressed that he brought along the Prime Minister and other cabinet members and family to see it the following week. The exhibit was awarded the Grand Prize for the exhibition. Although the ability of the vehicle to balance itself on a single rail was amazing, especially when stationary, it was not to prove a commercial success, partly due to fears that the gyroscopes might fail, and partly because any wagons or coaches towed by the locomotive would also need powered gyroscopic stabilisation.

From 1916 to 1919 Brennan served in the munitions inventions department. In 1916 he submitted a patent application entitled "Improvements Relating to Aerial Navigation" in which he outlined designs for a helicopter, and in June 1916 he received support for his experimental helicopter project from the British Ministry of Munitions. From 1919 to 1926 he was engaged by the Air Ministry in aircraft research work at the Royal Aircraft Establishment, Farnborough, and gave much time to developing his helicopter. The first tethered flights (inside a hangar) took place in December 1921, at which time the engine was up-rated from the Bentley BR1 to the Bentley BR2. Flight trials in the open started in May 1924, however in October 1925 a demonstration flight ended with one of the twin blade rotors touching the ground causing damage to several components. The government had spent a large sum of money on it, and the Air Ministry was still offering an award of £50,000 for the developments of a successful machine, but in 1926 the air ministry gave up funding the Brennan helicopter project, much to Brennan's disappointment.

He married Anna Quinn (died 1931) on 10 September 1892. He was survived by a son and a daughter. Brennan was created a Companion of the Order of the Bath in 1892, and was foundation member of the National Academy of Ireland in 1922. In January 1932 he was knocked down by a car at Montreux, Switzerland, and died on 17 January 1932. Brennan was buried at St. Mary's Roman Catholic Cemetery, Kensal Green, London, in an unmarked plot numbered 2454 that is opposite the Chapel record office. On 11 March 2014, Irish Taoiseach Enda Kenny unveiled a new gravestone for Brennan at St. Mary's in a ceremony honouring the inventor's life and career.

Gillingham Library retains the archive of his papers.

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Ionela Târlea

Ionela Târlea (during marriage Târlea-Manolache; born 9 February 1976) is a former track and field athlete, competing internationally for Romania. She won the silver medal in the 400 m hurdles at the 2004 Summer Olympics. At the same games in Athens, Greece, Târlea helped the Romanian national team to sixth place in the 4 × 400 m relay.

She gained recognition in top international competitions as early as 1996 at the Atlanta Olympics, when she came seventh in the 400 m hurdles event. In 1999 at the World Indoor Athletics Championships she won the gold medal in the 200 metres.

In 2000 in Sydney, Australia, Târlea earned her place again in the finals of the 400 m hurdles event, and came sixth. In 2002, she reaped gold at the European Championships held in Munich, also in the 400 m hurdles, her preferred event. A rather uneventful period followed for Târlea.:It was only in early 2008 that she secured her comeback among the world's top athletes as she came third in the 400 m event held in Stuttgart's Sparkassen Cup. She retired in April 2009, due to long-term injuries.

At club level Târlea competed for Dinamo Bucharest, Fenerbahçe Istanbul and Sporting Portugal athletics.

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