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Talk:Oradea

Churches dab
Not sure if your Greek Orthodox are Church of Greece or Church of Roumania - I have added link to the former as part of the disambiguation project re "Greek Orthodox Church" (which does not, apparently, exist)

Vie Quarter
Someone removed 'Vie' from the list of Quaters and added 'Oncea'. 'Vie' was linked to quite a lengthy article and Oncea has nothing. Can someone who has related knowledge of geography look into this and make the appropriate decision/fix. The 'Vie' article is no longer linked to anything. I`m from Oradea. There are actually more quarters...

Korean interwiki
The link to the Korean page needs to be fixed.

Notables
What does Carl Ditters von Dittersdorf have to do with Oradea? There's no mention of Oradea on his page.

 * from Encyclopedia Britannica: "In 1765 he became director of the orchestra of the bishop of Grosswardein."

 * Grosswardein is the German name of Oradea Bogdan | Talk 20:06, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I have the same problem with Attila. May be you can add some short comments next to the names. --Nk 13:45, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

City Walls
The city walls of Cetatea Oradea have a pentagonal form. Two questions: does anybody know why (any specific reason)it has that form. 2) How common or uncommon is a pentagonal city wall structure for that period/place. (Decius)

 * Oradea has a rather traditional wall structure. It is not important how many sides it has (5 here) but the fact that they end in bastions and was surrounded by water. This form (water plus bastions) made it easy to defend even against canons. This new type of fortification is the inovation of Italian specialists and were used all over Europe. Oradea played a important role in the fights against the Ottomans and secured access to Transylvania from the Pannonian plains. (Agugu)

Romanians transplanted in Transylvania
Around 800,000-2,000,000 people were transplanted to Transylvania between 1920-1990 Do you have any reference for this? Anonimu 18:15, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course I have: Recensământul general al populaţiei României din 29 decembrie 1930. Vol. 4. (1940): XXXIV-XXXVII, XLII-XLIX., Recensămîntul populaţiei şi locuinţelor din 15 martie 1966. Vol. 4. (1970): 2-9, 18-25., Recensămîntul populaţiei şi locuinţelor din 5 ianuarie 1977. Vol. 1. (1980): 696-701., 720-725, Recensămîntul populaţiei şi locuinţelor din 7 ianuarie 1992. Vol. 1. (1994): 112-123., 130-141.
 * http://vargae.adatbank.transindex.ro/belso.php?k=29&p=2955--fz22 20:17, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * but you have some proofs that the reason of the growth of romanian population in transilvania was the "replantation" of romanians from other regions rather than the difference between the birth rate of hungarians and romanians (romanian one was much higher during the whole period)? Anonimu 21:38, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't think it's fair to say how Romanians moved to Transylvania without saying how many Romanians left Transylvania in the meantime. In Bucharest, I know a lot of people whose parents are from Transylvania. bogdan 21:41, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * haven't you took a look over my links? (Sorry but it is only in hungarian). Those Romanians (who left Transylvania) were also counted ... The final result of this census shows that almost 900,000 Romanians were transplanted after 1930. that's why I've used 800,000 - 2,000,000 (others talk about almost 2 million Romanians)
 * oh, sorry for not reading hungarian. but the source is dubious, and the author could not be objective. Better find some respectable sources in english. And to make it clear, i don't deny the fact that settlements may have existed, but i doubt that the number you presented is acurrate. And the wording is not good either. Yous should also prove that none of these romanians moved in the region by free will, and all were part of a romanian gvt strategy (as the verb transplanted suggests).Anonimu 23:04, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * no prob ;) Apropos why it is dubious? Because does not fit your POV? Just take a look over the official datas from the 1966,1977,1992 Romanian census. there was a question about place of birth. You can summarize it for yourself--fz22 07:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

 * In my oppinion the word "transplanted" is the main problem and it is a term to harsh. I think that the increase of the Romanian population in Transylvania can be related to economics. Transylvania was more developed than some areas of the old kingdom and there were jobs to be filled. There was not enough population because some hungarian urban population quited for Hungary, the german population diminished in several steps and the romanian population could not fill all the jobs, so people came and the state had to encourage them so that the economy can recover and grow. It's called movement of the workforce and is is one of the key elements for any common economycal area and it is a continuous process everywhere. --Mihai -talk 23:34, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * "Just take a look over an etnic map. Romanian colonies -Ianculesti, Lucãceni, Marna Nouã, Horea, Scãrisoara Nouã- were planted near the Ro-Hu border after 1920. (The peoples living in that regions called them even today colonies! They were settled from the Maramures, Salaj, Apuseni region). A clear policy by Romania to change the etnic composition of those areas. " I wrote this several month ago in the Satu Mare page. i stand by what I have said
 * Among us this is just killing two birds with one stone ;) --fz22 07:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that some areas were populated with romanians on purpose, but the numbers of those who were settled in "collonies" like the ones in your example are far smaller than the millions you invoke. Once again, I say that the thing that annoys me is the use of the term "transplanted" which for me is an unnatural thing, or forced. I agree that there was a great afflux of romanians comming in Transilvania, but that was mainly a natural mouvement of population inside a country and not a forced one. That can be related to economic reasons, as stated above, and it happends in every country where exists different levels of economical developement. I do not doubt your example in Satu Mare, contrary I consider it is important and any examples in Bihor County are welcomed. But to say 2,000,000 transplanted has only limited connection with these cases and only enfalmes nationalistic feelings, a thing that I honestly do not want. --Mihai -talk 10:49, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've stated that around 800,000 Romanians from Transylvania was born in the Old Kingdom according to 1992 census. This fact could be checked very easily from the 1966, 1977, 1992 census datas. Some other sources talk about 2,000,000 Romanians. Sure it wasn't an agressive deportation, but from the Hungarian POV this is almost irrelevant.--fz22 12:13, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * If we look at the data for ethnic composition in transilvania between 1869 and 1910, we see that romanians have increased by 13.4%, while hungarians by 57,5%. So maybe we should also speak about hungarian transplantation in transylvania in that period. And please make it clear, 800.000 thousand is the number of romanians claimed by that source as "transplanted" in transylvania during 1920-1992, or the number of transylvanian romanians who, in 1992, were born outside the region? Anonimu 12:49, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The latter. And yes 800,000 (+ descendants!). Don't forget that almost 900,000 Jews have immigrated in Hungary between 1869-1910, (one quarter of Oradea's population was jewish in 1910 - that's the reason why Nicolae Iorga called Oradea the city of Magyars and Jews) and a considerably part of these were Magyarized. Around 1860 they were counted as jews (as a separate ethnic group). in 1910 hungarian census was based on mother tongue and not etnicity. In other hand there was no Magyar transplantation during the dual monarchy ... moreover a lot of village in South-Transylvania lost its Magyar identity definetely in this period! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fz22 (talk • contribs)
 * What Magyar villages in Southern Transylvania??? --Mihai -talk 13:59, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * not even the jews and magyarized minorities could explain an almost 60% growth rate. you would have about 150.000 hungarians who appeared from nowhere. about the villages in southern transylvania, i doubt that most ever had a strong magyar identity. Anonimu 14:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course it explains. 2-300,000 Jews settled in Transylvania + In the early 20th century the Magyars had a high rate of population growth. 1,300,000 + 250,000(the hungarian Jews) = not 57% but 28% ...
 * "transplantation" of population is also part of population growth. and those 200,000-300,000 hungarian speaking jews are still hungarians. so we have 200-300,000 transplanted hungarian jews + about 50-100.000 non-jew hungarians= 350-400,000 transplanted hungarian speaking population --Anonimu 15:50, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Nicknames of Oradea
Those Hungarian nicknames are unknown among the new-settler Romanians only ... every primal-oradean/váradi have had heard about them ... --fz22 20:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know the situation among Romanian inhabitants of the town but Ronline said they are not widely used. As far as I know these names are connected to Hungarian literary traditions from the turn-of-the-century so it seems reasonable that they are not favoured/known by present-day Romanians Zello 20:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Luv, I live in Oradea/ Nagyvarad. My family is an old mixed Transylvanian one - Hungarian, Romanian, German. Most names I have not heard used by anybody in present day common parlance. They were mostly used during the 19th century, by local press and authors, in both languages literaturess - because, mates, even though Romanian press and literature in Partium/ Crisana in the Austro-Hungarian monarchy was a minority press or literature you cannot disregard it when oit comes to Nagyvarad/Oradea. It would be like talking about Romanian press/literature today and disregard its Transylvanian Hungarian component. The exception to the lack of use of these too much discussed nicknames is ' Paris on the River Pece', still used currently with a touch of grandomania, even in local election campaigns, notably by a Romanian party in the 90's. What do you want more than this, mate? Drop the ethnic line and do not go by what 'is reasonable' because you don't know, as you say. Common sense does not replace knowledge, mate.

I'm not your mate... Zello 00:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Cheers for the understanding Zello. Even you say you are not, you definitely have mate material. Hahhahahaha

 * These names are historical nicknames and are not widely known in the city at the moment. Even if people from Oradea/Nagyvárad (I use the dual name here because Hungarian is the second official language of the city) recognise these names, this recognition is only historical, and they are not used currently to describe the city. I don't have a problem with promoting the Hungarian cultural heritage of Oradea, since there is a lot of that, and a lot of it is quite beautiful, but Oradea is currently majoritarily populated by Romanians, and thus it is odd to call it "Hungarian Compostela" or any of those other names, particularly since these names are, as the article states, historical literary nicknames used during Hungarian rule. I've moved them to the History section. [[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Romania.svg|20px]] Ronline ✉ 11:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

It would be better to create a cultural section and put it there. Until there remain any Hungarians living in Oradea nicknames are not obsolate but part of their heritage. Zello 11:48, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

My dear friends, stop seeing things necessarily in Romanian or Hungarian colours. You talk about Oradea/Nagyvarad and things are a bit special over here - things here are primarily from Nagyvarad/Oradea, maybe after that from Transylvania and the rest is open to discussion - as you might notice, an endless discussion. Try not to be culturally imperialistic either in a Romanian or Hungarian fashion. Respect the people here, try to get to know them, and try not to look at them through any dominant cultural lenses because that way you shall find only what you want to see. Try to figure out how people here settled or work with this endless cultural story and live a special multicultural situation (I do not imply necessarily a pink image for multiculturalism here). Do respect the people from the town you are writing about.

The English page of Oradea is horrible. I live in Oradea and most of the stuff written is out of focus not to mention most of the articles are written in a nationalist point of view just trying to embed in most of the text a Hungarian context. People that read this articles are just looking for some decent information. Thehotice (talk) 09:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

This is a page written entirely from an outmoded Magyar viewpoint. Read Seton-Watson for a more balanced account of Vlachs in Transylvania. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.66.132.187 (talk) 15:28, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

The heirs of nomad Asians consider that all ethnicities found around Pannonian plains are new-settlers.

The municipality of Oradea is officially bilingual, with the Romanian and Hungarian languages being recognised officially.
what does this mean officially? --fz22 10:32, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

 * It means that the Hungarian language can be used in public administration and in the justice system, that bilingual signs are provided, that the City Hall's publications can also be requested in Hungarian (it publishes its newsletter in both Romanian and Hungarian). Also, public education is provided in Hungarian alongside Romanian (i.e. one can choose to go to a Hungarian-language publicly-funded school, or a Romanian language one; some schools have Romanian and Hungarian sections). In short, Hungarian is co-official to Romanian in the Municipality of Oradea, because the Hungarian minority exceeds 20% of the population. [[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Romania.svg|20px]] Ronline ✉ 04:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * ronline i think u mistake this "officialy bilingual" for the law that "grants access to ethnic minorities unable to understand romanian to information in relation with the administration" (meaning, a hungarian that doesnt understand romanian living in the city of oradea should be able to identify buildings of administration, public utilities, and request translator in justice". That law doesnt make hungarian official language. the convention about cities in Romania having a name in the hungarian and german language on wikipedia i think takes in consideration the recent history of those cities under authority of Austria-Hungary employing an austrian or hungarian name for that city, that being only a name legacy convention, not based on a suposed "german and hungarian official languages in a city of ROmania" Criztu 15:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Take a look on this: http://www.cjbn.ro/legislatie/lege%20%20nr215%20pe%202001.doc. --fz22 15:47, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * perfect link thnx :

"ART. 90 (2) În unităţile administrativ-teritoriale în care cetăţenii aparţinând unei minorităţi naţionale au o pondere de peste 20% din numărul locuitorilor, în raporturile lor cu autorităţile administraţiei publice locale şi cu aparatul propriu de specialitate aceştia se pot adresa, oral sau în scris, şi în limba lor maternă şi vor primi răspunsul atât în limba română, cât şi în limba maternă.(in administrative-teritorial units where citizens belonging to an national minority form over 20% of the population, in their raports(relations) with public local administration authorities and their specialised apparatuses, are enabled to express, solicitate oraly or in writing in their maternal language also, and are enabled to a respons in both romanian and their language.)

''(4) Autorităţile administraţiei publice locale vor asigura inscripţionarea denumirii localităţilor şi a instituţiilor publice de sub autoritatea lor, precum şi afişarea anunţurilor de interes public şi în limba maternă a cetăţenilor aparţinând minorităţii respective, în condiţiile prevăzute la alin. (2).'' (local public administration authorities will provide inscriptions for the names of localities and public institutions under their authority, and display public interests announcements in the native language of the citizens of the respective ethnic minority in conditions stated at point (2))

(5) Actele oficiale se întocmesc în mod obligatoriu în limba română (official documents are made in romanian language, mandatory requirement) Criztu 16:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * no paragraph about no city having no name in a language other than romanian language in legal documents. It regards inscriptions on the town entry panels, public buildings and utilities, in the language of the local ethnic minorities next to the romanian names. In official documents regarding that city, its name is written in romanian only. I intend on removing the hungarian name from the Oradea infobox unless evidence of Britannica using such infobox is provided lol. The hungarian name of city Oradea in the lead paragraph i consider a convention regarding name legacy utility (oradea being under austrian hungarian administration in recent history). that is perfectly understandable Criztu 16:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

By the standard used here for defining officially recognized languages, you would have to call the United States an officially multi-lingual country, since the United States has a similar policy of providing all non-English speaking citizens with interpreters and interpretations of official government documents. Granted, they do not post street signs in all languages, but they do use internationally recognized symbols for public signs wherever possible. However, the United States is officially an English speaking nation. Providing special services and allowances for minority populations is a far cry from being officially bilingual. Perhaps a note that "although Oradea's language is officially Romanian, it has a large minority population of Hungarian speaking citizens as well." would be more appropriate. - Callyu

 * To be fair, English is the de facto "official" language of the U.S., not de jure. The United States does not have an official language. Olessi 20:37, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, that having been noted, the phrase "officially bilingual" is still very misleading, as Hungarian would actually be considered a "de facto" secondary language, whereas Romanian is the official language "de jure". If the United states has laws that provide government services for citizens of all tongues without actually adopting all languages as official (and to argue that they all are would be ludicrous), then Oradea can have policies that offer services for Hungarian speaking citizens without Hungarian being an official language.

 * As stated in The Constitution of Romania, Art. 13., "In Romania, the official language is Romanian.". Thus, we can not say that Hungarian is an official language, even if its usage in public administration is granted by the law mentioned in Critzu's comment. The public administration respects the law, but does nothing more; Hungarian is used only where it is strictly necessary as defined by the law. The administration does not tolerate any further usage of the language and, in some cases, it does not even respect the law, as some hospitals, schools and other public institutions do not have their names written in Hungarian. Even the City Council's resolution about bilingual street name plates is not respected. --Everyonesequal (talk) 09:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

History of Nagyvárad (Oradea) - Merge in?
Where is a chapter about Oradea's history?--Untifler 14:44, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Good question :) I'll revise it later. --fz22 07:25, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

History of Oradea? Impossible, as it was always known as Nagyvárad, it was in Hungary and it always had a Hungarian majority from its creation until 1970.

This article looks pretty good, but could someone take a look at History of Oradea? It needs a lead section, wikifying and probably conversion to prose. Piet 07:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Support merging in the pretty stubbish timeline Fastifex 13:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose I think the History of Oradea section will be so long that we will need a separate article sooner or later.

there are barely 20 lines in History of Oradea. such thing doesnt require voting for merging in my opinion Criztu 17:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Oradea is not officialy bilingual, show a law stating such immensity
Oradea is not officialy bilingual, show a law stating such immensity Criztu 09:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

 * See Talk:Bihor County. While the law does not explicitly use the term "official language" regarding Hungarian, the Municipality is obliged to offer all services in Hungarian alongside Romanian, including education, correspondence, justice system, signage, etc. This amounts to Hungarian being an officially-recognised language of the Municipality of Oradea. [[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Romania.svg|20px]] Ronline ✉ 09:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * can u point me to an article of a law stating "Hungarian language is used in official documents of Romania, the name Nagyvarad for Oradea is used in international maps and international documents "? Criztu 11:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

here i agree with critzu. Nagyvarad should stay in the lead section, but not in the infobox. according to the romanian constitution the only official language in romania is romanian Anonimu 11:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Criztu, this isn't about usage in international maps and documents. The Romanian national government will only officially use "Oradea" when referring to the city since Romanian is the only official language at national level. However, we're talking about the Municipality of Oradea here, as a territorial-administrative unit which officially-recognises the Hungarian language and is obliged to provide services in it. "According to the romanian constitution the only official language in romania is romanian": this refers to the national level only. At local level, other languages can also be used, if a certain ethnic group makes up over 20% of the population. Hungarian is in this situation in Oradea, and thus the infobox should reflect the officially-bilingual nature of the city. This usage is not only present in Oradea; see other cities' infoboxes where minorities make up more than 20% of the population: Budeşti, Salonta, Miercurea-Ciuc. [[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Romania.svg|20px]] Ronline ✉ 01:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

 * That's not official. There are cities in Europe that have officially 2 names . see Bozen-Bolzano, Aoste-Aosta, Donostia-San Sebastián, Abanto y Ciérvana-Abanto Zierbena just to show some examples. This is not the case for any city, town or village in Romania. Btw all the cities i mentioned have the two names stated in the english version of their site. While the site of Oradea doesn't even have a hungarian version, while oradea is the only nane used in the romanian, english and french versions. So i'll leave only the official (ie romanian) name in the infoboxes of cities of romania. It's not like i want to hide any alternative name, since they're all present in the first sentence of the articles Anonimu 11:38, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

 * OK, I agree that the minority rights law is somewhat ambiguous in that it doesn't formally recognise official languages and the name is not hyphenated in the same way Basque cities are. But I still believe that since these cities are bilingual in their public administration, this should be reflected in the infobox. I have raised this issue at Romanian Wikipedians' notice board. [[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]][[Image:Flag of Romania.svg|20px]] Ronline ✉ 11:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * i am not sure of the exact meaning of public administration. as i understand the law, official documents at local level are written only in Romanian, with the possibility of providing a translation of those documents for personal use to a citizen that belongs to the ethnic minority that forms 20% of the population of that locality. Criztu 16:14, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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and i feel it has to be explicitated eventualy by Wikipedia Naming Conventions that an alternative name is a name by which english sources (not another language sources translated into english) refer to that city. like, battle of Stalingrad is a widely used term in english sources, but the name of the city is now Volgograde, so the name of Stalingrad is preserved in the lead paragraph not because Stalingrad is another official name of Volgograd, but because it is used in english sources, like maps, news reports, letters, etc. Criztu 16:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Surroundings
The data you give are absolutely out of place in this article. It shows the ethnic composition of more than 30 independent settlements, among them Bihar, Mezőtelegd, Biharpüspöki, Kőröstarján etc - but not Nagyvárad. There was no artificial distinction between town and surroundings because these are not suburbs but a lot of distinct villages. There was a clearly defined municipal area which is not the same as the járás. These data about a bunch of far-away villages in the article about Várad is definitely misleading. Zello 10:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Those settlements were not "independent". They were subordinated to Nagyvárad, and they were part of its metropolitan area. In the Kingdom of Hungary cities were artificially separated from its surroundings by this administrative divisions. Just tell me if those settlements were "independent", why they were administered from Nagyvárad? The artificial populations of the cities in the Kingdom of Hungary separated from its surroundings are very well explained in the book named The Habsburg Monarchy 1809-1918 written by A.J.P. Taylor in 1948. The goal of such artificial separation was to create impresion that cities are mainly Hungarian, no matter of completelly different ethnic structure of the surroundings. I wonder would you also delete data about ethnic composition of the sorroundings if Hungarians were majority there instead of Romanians? PANONIAN   (talk)  15:29, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * And by the way, your argument that those villages were far-away also does not stand because anybody who check the map could see that they are pretty close to the city: http://www.talmamedia.com/map/hhcounty/images/megyek1/31bihk.gif In another words, the administration of the city proper did not contain a single settlement but a city itself, i.e. its entire surroundings was in the Kozponti Jaras. For comparison, you may see a map of one municipality in modern Serbia where city is not artificially separated from its surroundings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Novi_Sad.png PANONIAN   (talk)  15:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This is nonsense. Sure even today Oradea is artificaly separated ... you can see a road sign saying slow down to 60km/h ;)))) Simple banter--fz22 20:31, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The járás is not a municipal area. There was a different local administration for the járás and the town itself and only practical reasons caused that the seat of the district administration was also situated in Nagyvárad. There is a similar case with Budapest and Pest county where Budapest is not part of the county but the seat of it. This doesn't make Vác or Szentendre part of the municipal area. A rural village situated 10 km away from the town is not "artificially separated" it is NOT PART of Nagyvárad. You can seek ethnic reasons for this but the only country I know where towns have such an absurdly big municipal area is Serbia. Subordinating 10 villages to a neighbouring town is Serbian speciality that you try to impose upon a different situation and administrative tradition. Zello 09:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

other names
wiki from hungary, bulgaria and serbia use other names sections for all cities

Cleanup tag
I've replaced the general cleanup tag with a Refimprove tag because it didn't specify what needed to be cleaned up, and the references were the biggest issue that I noticed as I looked through it; is this agreeable for everyone? Zujua (talk) 00:33, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

About the use of 'Nagyvárad'
There appears to be some controversy surrounding the use of 'Nagyvárad' at the top of the table on the right hand side. While the significance of Hungarians in the history of the city is undeniable, I think it is inappropriate to have the Hungarian name displayed as a subtitle in this area. The term is conveniently placed inside the brackets on the very first line, therefore the visibility argument is out of the question.

Speculation: I believe the reason for adding the term as a title, right under the English name for the city comes from the use of Nagyvárad on road signs throughout Oradea, and while people can argue about the appropriateness of this to no end, I don't think it has any relevance as far as Wikipedia guidelines are concerned.

198.39.100.21 (talk) 13:50, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

 * I'm afraid your argument won't get very far - it was decided back in 2007 that all Romanian localities with Hungarian populations of >20% would have that name placed in the infobox. The 20% number is not random - it mirrors Romanian legislation that makes minority languages co-official if they have that level of usage. It's also a bit strange that you're targeting Oradea alone - if you were consistent, you'd go after every town in green and orange, plus the many communes with Hungarian majorities or significant minorities. (Thankfully, you're not - it's less work for me.)
 * Of course, consensus can change, but the onus of demonstrating the need for change is on you - and keep in mind that the current way of doing things has worked quite well for nine years. - Biruitorul Talk 13:54, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

 * Alright, thanks for letting me know about the convention, I wasn't aware of it. You don't have to worry about me anymore. 198.39.100.21 (talk) 14:58, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

'Little' Várad?
The German, Hungarian, and, until 1925, Romanian names all mean 'great' Oradea. Is there a 'little' Oradea (várad)? If so, where (googling didn't find it)?122.57.87.11 (talk) 07:11, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Várad is te short name for Nagyvárad. Nagy is 'Great'. Initially the Romanian name was Oradea Mare, which is a direct translate of Nagyvárad.

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Burning of Hungarian flag in Nagyvárad (Oradea) by Romanian Hungarian hater
A young Romanian woman tried to ignite the Hungarian national flag above the entrance of the regional headquarter of the Democratic Alliance of Hungarians in Romania (RMDSZ) in the Black Eagle Palace. Fortunately, she was not successful because a young man intervened. Video below. It was not the first time, but the police are sluggish The RMDSZ district press bureau of Bihar county said that the Hungarian national flag was once again a victim of barbarous hands from Saturday to Sunday at the headquarters of Bihar county’s RMDSZ organisation in Nagyvárad, Fekete Sas Palota (Black Eagle Palace). This time, they did not break or cut off the Hungarian flag, but somebody tried to light it – reported maszol.ro. The man who intervened filmed with his phone what had happened and put it on youtube. The hater was not caught or punished, but clearly if this would have been a Hungarian attempting to burn a Romanian flag, then this would have been in the state sponsored biased mass media in the usual hysterically anti Hungarian atmosphere that is the norm in modern day Romania.

Read more at: https://dailynewshungary.com/outrageous-a-girl-tried-to-burn-the-hungarian-flag-in-nagyvarad-oradea-romania-video/ Video can be seen at https://www.facebook.com/watch/?t=22&v=323942148237798 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.205.205 (talk) 11:32, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Weird climate data
The climate data for this page is exactly the same as the climate data for Bucharest on english Wikipedia. I didn't correct the data as I could only find the averege highs/lows and precipitation data for Oradea, so if someone knows how to find the other data ( like the extremes, snowy days etc.) please correct it.--Thepinkfluffy1211 (talk) 14:01, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Since no one else did, I fixed the climate data. I reverted to a previous version and added data for extremes and snowy days form MSN Weather ( I'm not sure if the data there is accurate, so if you know a better source please correct it). Also a lot of data is missing for example rainy days, humidity etc.Thepinkfluffy1211 (talk) 08:34, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Names of European cities in different languages (M–P)= other names of Oradea
Oradea names are described in Names of European cities in different languages (M–P) according to Wikipedia rules. 86.124.157.175 (talk) 07:38, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Which rules? Super   Ψ   Dro  13:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

See Budapest. No other names. Majority of Hungarian pages use section: Names of European cities in different languages.86.124.157.175 (talk) 06:17, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Because it's a capital. Capitals usually don't have names in other languages. Imagine Bucharest having a German, Yiddish or Bulgarian name. Also, Budapest is 96.2% Hungarian, and the next biggest ethnic group (Germans) is only 2%. Oradea is 73.1% Romanian and 24.9% Hungarian, so not a good example. Super   Ψ   Dro  06:49, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Edit warring
Hello, user 46.193.171.201.

Please stop edit warring, that's not how Wikipedia works; changes should be discussed on talk pages. As I told you, the articles Transylvania and Historical regions of Romania clearly state that Crisana is sometimes considered part of Transylvania, and so is the Banat. You also wrongly claimed that Oradea was historically not part of Transylvania, yet historical facts contradict you again; see map in the infobox of Principality of Transylvania (1570–1711). User Biruitorul had nothing against the Transylvania reference, having even modified it on the Timisoara article to improve it.

I've contacted an admin, he said the Oradea and Timisoara pages will get protected if you don't stop edit warring. Thanks for understanding and have a good Sunday. Best wishes, Lupishor (talk) 12:55, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

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Mahalaxmi railway station

Mahalaxmi (Pronunciation: [məɦaːləkʂmiː]; station code: MX), also spelled Mahalakshmi, is a railway station on the Western Line of the Mumbai Suburban Railway in Mahalaxmi, Mumbai. Trains starting from Churchgate pass through Mahalaxmi. The next station south is Mumbai Central Station, while the next station north is Lower Parel Station. Major landmarks in the area are the Mahalaxmi Temple, Haji Ali Dargah, Nehru Planetarium and Mahalaxmi Racecourse Dabbawalla Statue. Worli Seaface is also close from here. Byculla station of the Central Railway is the closest station.

The Saat Rasta Project will connect the Mahalaxmi railway station to the proposed Jacob Circle monorail station.The Haji Ali Mahalaxmi Project aims to connect the 225-acre Mahalaxmi Racecourse to the Arabian Sea, by creating a 6-acre public open space.

History
Until the 1920s, the station had just been a siding to transport refuse. In view of the expected weekend crowds for the races at the nearby Race Course, the station had to be redeveloped. Renovation was carried out in 1926, and the station was reopened on 3 October 1926. The station then received am overbridge, a 150 ft (45.72 m) long platform dedicated for races, and 300 ft (91.44 m) long island platforms as well. On 5 January 1928, the Mahalaxmi station welcomed guests for the ceremony for the electrification of the BB&CI Line. The then Governor of Bombay, Sir Leslie Orme Wilson, opened the line to public from the station, in front of 700 invitees. He traveled on the inaugural train till Andheri.

A workshop was established at Mahalaxmi in 1910 for the repair of wagons. In 1962 it was modified to work on carriages, and in 1976 it was adapted for Periodic Overhauls of EMUs.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Wikipedia user and (small) contributor

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Victor Steinbrueck Park

Victor Steinbrueck Park is a 0.8 acre (3,000 m²) park in Downtown Seattle, Washington, United States, located just northwest of Pike Place Market overlooking Elliott Bay. Named for the Seattle-based architect Victor Steinbrueck, it is positioned between Western Avenue and Alaskan Way at the foot of Virginia Street.

History
The park overlaps the former site of the Washington National Guard Armory, which was originally built around 1909 and damaged by fire in 1962 at a time when the future of the Market itself was a contentious issue. It was eventually torn down in 1968. Victor Steinbrueck, who was instrumental in the preservation of nearby Pike Place Market and Pioneer Square, wrote of the location in 1968: "One of the grandest downtown lookout places is at Western Avenue where it meets Pike Place and Virginia Street. It has been neglected by the city and its possibilities for enjoyment are ignored except by a few habitués and passing pedestrians." Steinbrueck was strongly opposed to the demolition of the armory. "Buildings like this," he wrote, "(and there are very few) offer an irreplaceable tie with the past as well as adding variety and interest to new surroundings. Restoration is not at all impossible or difficult for sympathetic designers. Others can always find practical reasons for destruction."

The city purchased the land in 1968, demolished the remnant of the armory, and transferred ownership to the parks department in 1970. The park was landscaped in 1982 as Market Park. Two cedar totem poles, designed by Marvin Oliver and carved by James Bender, were added in 1984. After Steinbrueck's death in 1985, the park was renamed after him. His son Peter Steinbrueck, also an architect, would later serve on the Seattle City Council from 1997 to 2007. The totem poles, which do not have indigenous meaning or significance, may be removed.

In December 2022, the park closed for a year-long renovation project to repair the waterproofing under the park, which had deteriorated and leaked water into the parking garage below. The project will also include new furnishings, a replacement pavilion, and upgraded lighting. The park is scheduled to reopen in early 2024, several months behind schedule. A modified plan released in December 2023 would permanently replace the totem poles with indigenous sculptures from members of the Suquamish and Muckleshoot tribes.

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Not So Soft

Not So Soft is the second studio album by American singer-songwriter Ani DiFranco, released in 1991.

Personnel

 * Ani DiFranco – vocals, acoustic guitar, congas, sound effects, production, arrangement, artwork, cover design

Technical
 * Dale Anderson – record producer
 * Tony Romano – editing, engineer
 * Don Wilkinson – editing
 * Suzi McGowan – artwork
 * Scot Fisher – photography
 * Karen Richardson – photography
 * Suzi McGowan – typesetting

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Calcinosis

Calcinosis is the formation of calcium deposits in any soft tissue. It is a rare condition that has many different causes. These range from infection and injury to systemic diseases like kidney failure.

Dystrophic calcification
The most common type of calcinosis is dystrophic calcification. This type of calcification can occur as a response to any soft tissue damage, including that involved in implantation of medical devices.

Metastatic calcification
Metastatic calcification involves a systemic calcium excess imbalance, which can be caused by hypercalcemia, kidney failure, milk-alkali syndrome, lack or excess of other minerals, or other causes.

Tumoral calcinosis
The cause of the rare condition of tumoral calcinosis is not entirely understood. It is generally characterized by large, globular calcifications near joints.

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Mathew Thorpe

Sir Mathew Alexander Thorpe (born 30 July 1938) is a retired Lord Justice of Appeal, who served as one of the judges of the Court of Appeal of England and Wales from 1995 to 2013.

Education
Thorpe was educated at Stowe School and Balliol College, Oxford.

Legal career
Thorpe was called to the bar (Inner Temple) in 1961 and was appointed a Queen's Counsel in 1980. He was appointed a Recorder in 1982. He was appointed a High Court judge on 11 April 1988, assigned to the Family Division, and received the customary knighthood. He was appointed a Lord Justice of Appeal on 2 October 1995. Thorpe was appointed Deputy Head of Family Justice and Head of International Justice in January 2005. He retired on 31 July 2013

Jurisprudence
He has presided over a number of important cases which have influenced the evolution of family law. He is regarded as a traditionalist in respect of parenting role but as a reactionary by his detractors.

1. Roles of men and women Re: S (Children) [2002] EWCA Civ 583

This case concerned a divorce where the mother had a high salary and the father stayed at home to look after the children under a shared parenting arrangement. If residence had been awarded to the father, the status quo in London would continue. However, if residence were awarded to the mother then she would move with the children to Linlithgow in Scotland. It was submitted on behalf of the father that it would be gender discrimination to decide residence in favour of the mother: if the roles were to be reversed, a father who proposed to abandon a lucrative career with the consequence that his wife and children would suffer a dramatic downturn in the standard of living, would not have the smallest chance of being given a residence order as his reward. This submission was rejected by Thorpe LJ on grounds of gender role:

 * "That submission seems to me to ignore the realities, namely the very different role and functions of men and women, and the reality that those who sacrifice the opportunity to provide full-time care for their children in favour of a highly competitive professional race do, not uncommonly, question the purpose of all that striving, and question whether they should not re-evaluate their life before the children have grown too old to benefit."

2. Leave to remove from the jurisdiction

This refers to the situation where the court must decide whether to grant permission to a parent who wants to take the children to live in another jurisdiction in the face of opposition from the other parent. It means that a parent (invariably the father) who continued to live in the UK would no longer have access to his children.

In Payne v Payne (2001) 2 WLR 1826, Thorpe LJ found that unilateral relocation cases had been consistently decided over 30 years upon the application of the following two propositions:

 * (a) the welfare of the child is the paramount consideration; and
 * (b) refusing the primary carer’s reasonable proposals for the relocation of her family life is likely to impact detrimentally on the welfare of her dependent children. Therefore her application to relocate will be granted unless the court concludes that it is incompatible with the welfare of the children.

Applying these principles, the Payne child was allowed to be taken to New Zealand by the mother since otherwise the effect on her of being forced to stay in England would be "devastating". This approach was followed again later in Re: B (Children) (Removal from Jurisdiction); Re: S (A Child) (Removal from Jurisdiction) (2003) (2003) 2 FLR 1043. Thorpe LJ said, in connection with two cases involving children being removed to Australia and South Africa respectively, that to frustrate "natural emigration" risked the survival of the new family or blighted its potential for "fulfilment and happiness". He said, "Often there will be a price to be paid in welfare terms by the diminution of the children's contact with their father and his extended family"

He said that it was also possible for a father to take employment abroad after separation or to marry a foreigner and there would be the same loss of contact:

"These are the tides of chance and life and in the exercise of its paternalistic jurisdiction it is important that the court should recognise the force of these movements and not frustrate them unless they are shown to be contrary to the welfare of the child."

Child protection
Thorpe was appointed in 2010 to head a working party of the General Medical Council to consider and offer advice to doctors on matters relating to child protection.

Driving disqualification and reprimand
Thorpe was disqualified from driving and then, in January 2012, was reprimanded by the Lord Chancellor and Lord Chief Justice, both for receiving the ban and for failing to adhere to the guidance regarding the reporting of traffic offences.

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Talk:Paul Volcker

unsourced POV
"In addition to disinflation, this policy caused a severe recession and the worst unemployment since World War II."

This sounds like an unattributed political claim. Please provide a source for this criticism, and then put the sentence back. --Uncle Ed (El Dunce) 19:14, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Oops, I haven't been watching my talk pages. The inverse relationship between inflation and unemployment is documented (cf Phillips curve). Image:Urate48-04.jpg illustrates the WW2 comparison. As far as connecting the monetary policy with the recession goes, I believe this is uncontroversial as well; List of recessions includes the same claim, and this interview with Volcker sheds some more light on both claims. Volcker uncritically accepts that his policies led to unemployment but says that he's convined a recession was inevitable and that his policy made it less severe. I'm replacing the sentence with an, I think, more accurate one... Eliot 18:55, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

The Phillips curve is STUPID and this article is full of Keynesian nonsense written, I imagine, by kids who didn't live through thos period of incredible stagflation. There were no Chinas, or even Japans to do fill stores with goods we could no longer afford to make or buy due to Vietnam and LBJ's "Great Society." Volcker did what was necessary to correct the massive money printing of Nixon's Fed, and would someone would have the courage to do the same now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.28.102.57 (talk) 21:14, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

not reappointed?
Why he didnt got reappointed as fed chairman in 87? Tradingbr 22:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * My thought is that in 1987 with Reagan, a Republican in the White House, that Volcker as a Democrat stood less of a chance of renomination than Greenspan as a Republican did of getting nominated. The wikipedia article on Greenspan states this:
 * On June 2, 1987, President Ronald Reagan nominated Greenspan as a successor to Paul Volcker as chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, and the Senate confirmed him on August 11, 1987. Investor, author and commentator Jim Rogers has said that Greenspan lobbied to get this chairmanship.

71.167.67.66 (talk) 14:03, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 00:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Religion
Someone is inserting religion tags on the infoboxes of some economists he/she considers Jewish. But not on others, whose biographies and Wikipedia articles show evidence of other religions! This is a conspiracy nut. The tags are unsourced, yet they would be out of bounds even if a source were adduced and even if they were applied in an even-handed manner: a relevance is not shown, but implied. Fconaway (talk) 08:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Conspiracy nut? Are you seriously suggesting that conspiracies do not exist or that Jews do not take part in them?  I would really like to see the evidence for either.  By the way, I can irrefutably prove that 9/11 was staged by the US Government, see AE911Truth.org for details.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.46.214.106 (talk) 00:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Let's not get sidetracked. However, he's almost certainly not jewish. Else the rest of the paragraph, which is sourced from his biography, would not make sense. Here's some more on this : http://tzvee.blogspot.com/2012/09/is-paul-volcker-jewish.html?m=1 Maxmagno (talk) 23:45, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Volcker is Jewish
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3619625,00.html

I'm not sure where in the article this information belongs, but in the meantime I am adding Volcker to the category of Jewish Americans. Please don't revert this information. Adlerschloß (talk) 05:01, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Mr. IP just tracked down his bio in which it for all practical purposes says that his family was not Jewish. An autobiography should be considered more reliable then a newspaper article. -- brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 17:04, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Ynet.co.il isn't a reliable source. They claimed, that Robert Zoellick is Jewish, which is false. He is of German ancestry. And so is Paul Volcker. Volcker was or still is a member of some German-American organizations. The German Marshall Fund for example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.153.213.246 (talk) 23:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Alan Greenspen is Jewish for sure, like the Nobel Prize Stiglitz. According to the wikipedia article Volcker is Lutheran but perhaps it is true that, like Madeleine Albreight, he is a hidden Jew as the information given by the article above says. Probably. Anyway, he can have German ancestry and be Jewish like Albert Einstein. After all, Askenazi Jews speak a German dialect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.32.120.134 (talk) 03:09, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

 * And also, no Jews would name their child Adolph. Adolf Hitler was a persona non grata since 1923. And Volcker was born in 1927. But if his family was of German heritage, his parents could have cared less about Hitler in 1927. He has German ancestry, that's for sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.153.204.26 (talk) 22:04, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

 * We are talking about Paul Volcker, not Adolph Volcker. --217.82.146.226 (talk) 07:01, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I doubt he's Jewish. I think Ynet.co.il made a mistake. He went to a Lutheran Church with his mother and his father went to an Episcopalian. It seems very unlikely that he or his family should be jewish. Here is some support to what I say, but not really source material : http://tzvee.blogspot.com/2012/09/is-paul-volcker-jewish.html?m=1 Maxmagno (talk) 23:41, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Volcker's involvement with NAFTA
I'm not seeing anything referencing Volcker's involvement with promoting NAFTA. There are multiple assertions that he is pro-globalizing the US economy. The Center for Strategic and International Studies--see year 1993-- cites him as leading the NAFTA and Beyond Commission (http://www.csis.org/about/history/)

Can anyone verify his involvement with NAFTA and add it to his bio? It is an interesting point that President-Elect Obama's key economic advisor had a potentially major role in NAFTA as Obama tauted that he was anti-NAFTA and pro-Union.(http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2008/02/25/clinton_obama_and_nafta/)

Godo luck with the update.

Matthew Lengel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.104.223.125 (talk) 00:09, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Interest Rates

 * Article says:"Volcker's Fed is widely credited with ending the United States' stagflation crisis of the 1970s by limiting the growth of the money supply, abandoning the previous policy of targeting interest rates. Inflation, which peaked at 13.5% in 1981, was successfully lowered to 3.2% by 1983."

 * If Volcker "abandoneded the previous policy of targeting interest rates," then why'd he raise rates to their highest levels in history? Isn't this a bit misleading?

 * The source link isn't working, and it's unclear whether this source merely concerns historical inflation rates, or the statement regarding "abandoning the previous policy of targeting interest rates."

If I get around to it, I'll try and find info to include about Volcker actions on interest rates for inclusion. I think that's what he's mostly remembered for, though it sounds likely/familiar that he also was concerned with money supply. Calamitybrook (talk) 19:33, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Okay, I added two sentences about interest rates under Volcker. The source could be better, but looks accurate.Calamitybrook (talk) 21:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

 * I've now removed this statement "abandoning the previous policy of targeting interest rates"

because it's inaccurate and the source provided, from Minneapolis Fed, was non-functional.
 * I assume there is a basis for the statement that I removed ---but is obviously not "the whole picture" given Volcker's historic actions on interest rates.

Calamitybrook (talk) 03:57, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the article reads very oddly with respect to Volcker's role in the early 1980s with respect to inflation; and the source that "widely credits" Volcker with ending staglfation is a single OpEd piece from 2008. The role of the 1982 recession and its deflationary effect has to be considered in the chicken and egg equation, and this needs to be better explored in this article. MariaMitchell (talk) 00:49, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

There's also a line about "Thus unemployment rose to over 10%" in the part about his term as the Fed chair, when it discusses the rising interest rates. What's the relevance of a random uncited aside about unemployment to that part? It also doesn't match Department of Labor numbers for that timeperiod- it had been more or less steady around 7% until '82 and '83- both years when it barely broke 9%. I could see "reached 10%" if someone wanted to round it, but you can't squeeze "over 10%" out of 9.7%.2602:306:CFCA:B540:0:0:0:47 (talk) 19:07, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Recent Criticism of Banks
Volcker's recent criticisms of the banking industry and his calls for reinsitution of Glass-Steagall have been all over the business press of late and should probably be mentioned. Come to think of it, this entire article seems sparse and could be fleshed out at greater length. I'll start adding material if there is no consensus against this. Nwlaw63 (talk) 03:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Inflation
Volcker is credited with reducing inflation. The reduction might have been partly caused by the stabilisation and even reduction of oil prices at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.157.131.222 (talk) 10:40, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * See 1980s oil glut. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.157.131.222 (talk) 10:50, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Expansion of Federal Reserve Section
I'm not very knowledgeable with Volcker's term as Federal Reserve Chair, otherwise I would contribute to it myself. This section needs to be redone to include additional information. As is, the section is more of a stub, whereas I believe that it should comprise the majority of the article. Please expand on this section. Also I'm not sure how relevant Congressman Ron Paul's comments are to Volcker's term as Federal Reserve chairman, seeing as it's more his opinion rather than on his term of office as the Fed Chair. I think it's more a political comment on the Fed at present than anything, and should therefore be removed. Shaded0 (talk) 03:46, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Bias towards Fed action
Paul Volcker may be credited by some economists for lowering inflation using higher interest rates but please Wiki contributors, exercise some critical thinking. In this very same article I read: 'He played an important role in the decisions leading to the U.S. suspension of gold convertibility in 1971'. Well, is there any action that could be more inflationary that the suspension of gold convertibility? I don't think so... The Fed is one of the main sources of inflation, so Fed people shouldn't be praised for lowering inflation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiWorld88 (talk • contribs) 22:39, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Jewishness, yet again
This falsehood keeps appearing from time to time. The latest manifestation references the Treaster book. I have just gone through, yet again, the book and it clearly states that his mother, Alma Kleppel Volcker, who was a child of German immigrants, attended every Sunday the Lutheran church in Teaneck N.J. There is no mention anywhere in the book that she was Jewish or had Jewish roots.--Joel Mc (talk) 17:45, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I had the same thought. Someone is having fun vandalising this article by repeating the mistake made by ynet.co.il. Maxmagno (talk) 23:48, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

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Date of death

 * 8 December: current NYT and also CNBC source, based on foundation press release - "Sunday at 5 p.m. ET at his home in New York, according to the Volcker Alliance"
 * 9 December: Reuters "died on Monday at the age of 92, according to his daughter Janice Zima" and NPR "died Monday at 92, NPR has confirmed". Wakari07 (talk) 18:45, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Nihilistic forces
I've just come across this interesting Volcker quote: “Nihilistic forces are dismantling policies to protect our air, water, and climate. And they seek to discredit the pillars of our democracy: voting rights and fair elections, the rule of law, the free press, the separation of powers, the belief in science, and the concept of truth itself.” Apparently he said this towards the end of his life - can anyone verify this? If genuine, it should surely be included in the article.Richwil (talk) 15:03, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Biased and unsourced comment under "career"
There seems to be biased and unsourced comments under the "career" section of the article, specifically the following

"This is in contrast with the fact stated above that he did not seek 3rd term (No one fired him).[citation needed] He is also blamed for removing gold standard in early 1970, which created record inflation in the US History.[citation needed]"

These seem like an obvious source of bias, are grammatically erroneous, additionally the claim about the gold standard is flatly wrong. 2620:104:E001:9030:AF70:1C99:4CCE:9CEE (talk) 21:33, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

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Łodzia coat of arms

Łodzia (obsolete Polish for "boat") is a Polish coat of arms. It was used by many noble families of the Kingdom of Poland and the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. A variant serves as the coat of arms of the city of Łódź (the city's name literally means "Boat"). It's a classic example of the so-called canting arms well known in European heraldry as it was borne by the medieval lords de Łodzia (a feudal lordship) and their clan. Hence the boat in the shield, clearly alluding to the estate's name literally meaning Boat. Coats of Arms in the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth were a symbol of a heraldic clan.

History
Łodzia is one of the oldest Polish coats of arms. Its earliest appearance (1303) is on a seal belonging to Wojciech of Krośno, Palatine of Kalisz. The first blazon description dates from 1411.

The first Łodzia coat of arms featured a golden letter M on the shield, and a boat in the crest. That version was used by Mikołaj of Łodzia in 1301. By 1315, however, all the bearers of the coat of arms had adopted the version used by Wojciech of Krośno. Initially the coat of arms had a checkerboard background, which by 1382 had been supplanted by a plain red field.

Until the 16th century, variously shaped boats were depicted. After the publication of Bartosz Paprocki's Herby rycerstwa polskiego (The Coats-of-Arms of Polish Chivalry, 1584), most authors adopted the present version. Paprocki was also the first to mention the crest as comprising peacock feathers with boat superimposed.

The Łodzia coat of arms was used by over 150 families, mostly around Kalisz, Poznań and Sieradz. After the Union of Horodło, it was also adopted by several Lithuanian families.

Blazon
Gules, a rudderless and mastless boat Or.

Notable bearers
Notable members of the clan and bearers of this coat of arms include:
 * House of Czarniecki
 * Stefan Czarniecki (consort Sofia Kobierzycka)
 * House of Opaliński
 * Andrzej Opaliński (1540–1593), Great Crown Marshal
 * Andrzej Opaliński (1575–1623), Bishop of Poznań
 * Łukasz de Bnin Opaliński, Castellan of Poznań
 * Łukasz de Bnin Opaliński, poet, Court Marshal of the Crown
 * House of Kurnatowski
 * Zygmunt Łodzia Kurnatowski
 * Łukasz Górka z Górki h. Łodzia, komornik [cen] dwór królewski (1433), podczaszy [poz] Poznań (1438), starosta generalny [poz] Wielkopolska, starosta [poz] Kościan (1441), starosta [str] pobiedziskie, wojewoda [poz] Poznań (1441-1475)

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User talk:HarrisonFjiord

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Dengue Fever (tropical disease) disambiguation
Please refer to Disambiguation regarding Dengue Fever (tropical disease).

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Refer to Number 3 - Primary topic" disambiguation: if one meaning is clearly predominant, it remains at "Mercury", the general title. The top of the article provides a link to the other meanings, or if there are a large number, to a page named "Mercury (disambiguation)". For example: the page Rome has a link at the top to a page named "Rome (disambiguation)" which lists other cities named Rome. The page Cream has a link to the page Cream (band) at the top.

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Go to Disambiguation for more info..

The original Dengue fever article would be a primary topic which most users would search for; the rock band (when it becomes an article) would be a disamb link at the top of the original article. If you click on 'What links here' on the original page, you will find many other articles which link to the original article, but with the changes it now requires them to read the disamb page and click on another link to get to what they want (this is not needed!).

Please revert your changes to get the original Dengue Fever page back. Or I could do it if you wish.

Did you plan to start the rock band page? I could also do it unless you want to.

Thank you Petersam 19:16, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

OK. Please do. Thanks. Harry

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User:Tomgrainger

A user and (small-scale) contributor ;-)

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Leonnatus

Leonnatus (Λεοννάτος; 356 BC – 322 BC) was a Macedonian officer of Alexander the Great and one of the diadochi.

He was a member of the royal house of Lyncestis, a small Greek kingdom that had been included in Macedonia by King Philip II of Macedon. Leonnatus was the same age as Alexander and was very close to him. Later, he was one of Alexander's seven bodyguards, or somatophylakes. After Alexander died in 323 BC, the regent, Perdiccas, made Leonnatus satrap of Hellespontine Phrygia.

Diodorus (Book XVII.37-38) tells us that during the Battle of Issus, the immediate family of Darius had been captured by the Macedonian Army. Darius' family was hysterical that they would suffer a dreadful fate. However, Leonnatus was able to explain to them, on behalf of Alexander, that this would not be the case. In fact, Alexander promised to respect them as royalty, increase their household servants and to raise Darius' 6-year-old boy as his own.

He crushed the rebellion of Oritians in India, while losing only a few men.

Alexander's sister Cleopatra, the widow of King Alexander I of Epirus, offered her hand to Leonnatus. When the Athenians heard that Alexander had died, they revolted against Macedonia and the new regent, Antipater. Leonnatus led an army of 20,000 infantry with 1,500 cavalry to relieve Antipater during the siege in Lamia (see Lamian War). He intervened probably with the ambition to usurp Antipater's power. A victory in battle against the Athenians would have certainly enhanced his claim to the throne. Leonnatus was killed in battle against the Athenians and his marriage with Cleopatra never took place.

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Talk:Heads of State in 1791

from VfD:

OK, so I tried to list these before, but I made a minor mistake and everything got totally screwed up. Hopefully it will work alright now.

Anyway, the contributors to this project decided to list head of both state and government as "List of state leaders in XXXX". These are redundant, and I think were supposed to be deleted when the project changed direction. Clearly they weren't. Time to start. -R. fiend 19:17, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Why not just redirect? Eugene van der Pijll 19:25, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Yeah. That could work. But I guess there is the possibility that someone who linked there thus could assume that everyone listed on the page was therefore a head of state, since it doesn't specify too clearly that heads of government are listed too, or that there's a difference. Still, might be the best choice. -R. fiend 19:31, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not encyclopedic, too "list"-y. --Improv 20:31, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Redirect List of state leaders in 1791 has all the heads of state listed. - SimonP 01:26, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)
 * Redirect is the best option — siro  χ  o  04:00, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)

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