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Hull F.C.

Hull Football Club, commonly referred to as Hull or Hull F.C., is a professional rugby league club based in West Hull, East Riding of Yorkshire, England. Hull play their home games at the MKM Stadium and compete in Super League, the top tier of British rugby league

Hull have won the League Championship six times and Challenge Cup five times.

The clubs traditional home colours are white shirts with black hoops and black shorts. The City of Hull is split in two by the River Hull with Hull F.C. representing the West side and cross city rivals Hull Kingston Rovers representing the East side.

Early years
The club was formed in 1865 by a group of ex-schoolboys from York, most notably Anthony Bradley, who had been at Rugby School. The founders used to meet at the Young Men's Fellowship, at St Mary's Church, Lowgate. The vicar at that time was the Reverend Scott and his five sons made up the nucleus of the team. The club immediately took on members who were plumbers and glaziers. Soon another team, Hull White Star, was formed and the two clubs merged. Hull Football Club was one of the first clubs in the north of England to join the Rugby Football Union.

Hull F.C., then nicknamed the All Blacks, were one of the initial 22 clubs to form the Northern Union after the acrimonious split from the Rugby Football Union in 1895. The club moved from East Hull to the Hull Athletic Club at the Boulevard in 1895, and subsequently played their first ever match there in September of that year. 8,000 people turned out to witness the first club's match in which Hull F.C. beat Liversedge RFC. The Oxford-educated Cyril Lemprière (1870–1939), who also played for Yorkshire, was captain of Hull during the 1895–96 and 1897–98 season.

The early years of the Northern Union saw Hull F.C. prosper, and their black and white irregular hooped jerseys, which they adopted in 1909, became one of the most famous and feared strips in the league. Between 1908 and 1910, Hull F.C. lost three consecutive Challenge Cup Finals. In the first; they failed to score against Hunslet who would go on to win All Four Cups whilst in the second they failed to score against Wakefield Trinity. In the third final of 1910, they held Leeds to a 7–7 draw at Fartown, Huddersfield but were heavily beaten in the replay held two days later.

In 1913, they paid a world record £600, plus £14 per match, to Hunslet for Billy Batten, one of only seventeen players, and the only representative from Hull F.C., so far inducted into the British Rugby League Hall of Fame. A year later the Airlie Birds won their first Challenge Cup, beating Huddersfield in the semi-final and Wakefield Trinity in the final held in Halifax. Playing alongside Billy on that day was John "Jack" Harrison VC, MC who scored a try. Harrison scored 52 tries in the 1914–5 season, a club record that still stands. Twelve Hull F.C. players were killed during the First World War.

Australian Jim Devereux became the first player to score 100 tries for Hull.

In 1920, Batten was once again key in Hull F.C.'s first ever Championship Final, scoring the only try in the 3–2 victory over Huddersfield.

The early-1920s were bittersweet years for the club. In 1921, Hull F.C. lost the Yorkshire County Cup but won the county championship, both against rivals Hull Kingston Rovers. Hull F.C. could not match the successes of 1914, losing a further two consecutive cup finals in 1922 and 23 to Rochdale Hornets and Leeds respectively, but they managed to win the Yorkshire County Cup in 1923 and finish top of the league.

In the early 1930s, Hull F.C. had a full back and goal kicker called Joe Oliver. Oliver was so dependable with the boot that the crowd at one match spontaneously started singing the Gene Autry song, Old Faithful, at him. Hull F.C. supporters adopted the song as their battle cry from then on.

Hull F.C.'s record attendance was set in 1936 when 28,798 turned up for the visit of Leeds for a third round Challenge cup match.

Post-Second World War
The 1952 Kangaroos visited the Boulevard on Monday 8 September. They had opened their tour with a victory at Keighley two days earlier, and they continued their winning run with a 28–0 victory over Hull F.C..

In 1955, the black Welshman Roy Francis became the first black professional coach in any British team sport, when he switched from playing on the wing to coaching Hull F.C..

Hull F.C. team won the league championship in 1956 when Colin Hutton kicked a last-minute penalty in the final against Halifax at Maine Road, Manchester. Hull F.C. won the play-offs again in 1958, against Workington Town. They also won the European Club championship in 1957 and lost in the cup finals at Wembley in 1959 and 1960. These triumphs healed the wound of two successive Yorkshire County Cup Final defeats in 1955 and 1957. They lost in two further Challenge Cup finals to Wigan and Wakefield Trinity in 1959 and 1960. All these reverses, when one hand had been grasping so many trophies, gave Hull F.C. a steely resolve and a thirst for success.

Johnny Whiteley became player coach in October 1963. When Roy Francis retired as Hull F.C. coach in 1965, Whiteley took over as coach. Hull F.C. lost to Wakefield Trinity 17–10 victory in the 1968 Rugby Football League Championship final at Headingley on 4 May 1968. Whiteley resigned in 1970 to coach Hull Kingston Rovers. Ivor Watts was then appointed coach from 1970 to 1971 of which Hull F.C. won 28 matches and lost 17.

With the coaching appointment of Arthur Bunting in 1978, Hull F.C. began a period of dominance. Hull F.C. won all of their 26 Division Two matches in 1978–79, the only time a club has won all of its league matches in a season and returning to the top flight. The Airlie Birds lost the 1980 Challenge Cup final against Hull Kingston Rovers 10–5 and never won at Wembley until 2016. It was reputed that a makeshift sign was left on the A63 (the major westerly road out of Hull) that read "last one out turn the lights off!" due to most of the city travelling to Wembley for the final. In 1982, Hull F.C., crushed by Widnes in the Premiership Final, avenged the defeat with an 18–9 Challenge Cup replay win at Elland Road.

Hull F.C. eventually won the league in 1983 and also reached the Premiership final, the Challenge Cup final and the Yorkshire County Cup Final, but the latter trophy would be their only reward from the three finals. They lost to Featherstone Rovers at Wembley in one of the great Challenge Cup final upsets and they also lost the Premiership final three years running.

The signing of Australian Peter Sterling, a 2006 inductee into the Australian Rugby League Hall of Fame, maintained HullF.C.’s strength, and Bunting's men went to their third successive Yorkshire Cup beating Hull KR 29–12, but were edged out in arguably the greatest ever Challenge Cup Final in 1985 by Wigan at Wembley Stadium with a score of 28 to 24 in Wigan's favour. The game was played in front 99,801 fans, the rugby league attendance record for Wembley. A number of subsequent coaches, such as Brian Smith (1988–90) failed to deliver consistent success. Hull F.C. lost the Premiership final in 1989 to Widnes, but two years later returned to beat them 14–4 at Old Trafford under coach Noel Cleal.

Royce Simmons moved to England to coach Hull F.C. for two seasons from 1992 to 1994. In June 1993, financial trouble forced Hull F.C. to put seven players on the transfer list and Royce Simmons ran five marathons to raise money to pay for players from Australia.

Summer era
In 1996, the first tier of British rugby league clubs played the inaugural Super League season and changed from a winter to a summer season. As the sport in Britain entered a new era, controversy was sparked in the city of Hull when it was suggested that Hull F.C. should merge with Hull Kingston Rovers to form 'Humberside'. Hull F.C.'s shareholders gave the idea general approval but it was ultimately resisted. The club like many other rugby league clubs re-branded and became known as the Hull Sharks. It is unclear who came up with the 'Sharks' as a nickname but for a nautical city it was a fairly obvious choice. Hull Sharks finished below the cut-off point of 10th in the existing top flight and so were excluded from the new Super League.

Phil Sigsworth joined the club in 1996 and coached them to the First Division championship title and promotion to Super League in 1997 but struggled to compete in the top division. Off-field issues in 1999 saw the club offered a merger with Gateshead Thunder. Hull were offered £1.25 million as part of the agreement. At the start of the 2000 Super League season however, the club reverted to the name Hull F.C. and continued to play at The Boulevard without any acknowledgement towards Gateshead. A new Gateshead Thunder would be formed for the 2001 Premiership season. Ex-St. Helens coach Shaun McRae who remained at the helm until 2004.

After 107 years at the Boulevard, Hull F.C. moved in January 2003 to a £44 million state-of-the-art council-owned Kingston Communications Stadium, more commonly known as the KC Stadium and the rejuvenation of the club continued. Although they are joint tenants at the stadium alongside the city's football club Championship side Hull City : the two teams sharing use of the stadium, Hull F.C. have been forced to play a cup match away at Doncaster to avoid two matches clashing. Shaun McRae left the club to return to Australia at the end of the 2004 season; he was replaced by former England coach John Kear, who had previously been McRae's deputy.

In his first season at the club, Kear led Hull F.C. to the Rugby League Challenge Cup Final for the first time since 1985. Hull F.C. defeated Leeds 25–24 in a thrilling final at Cardiff's Millennium Stadium to lift the trophy. Paul Cooke's 77th minute try, which was converted by Danny Brough gave Hull a 1-point lead, which they held onto after Hull F.C. captain Richard Swain charged down a drop-goal attempt from Leeds skipper Kevin Sinfield in the dying seconds of the match.

John Kear left Hull F.C. on 3 April 2006 after a disappointing start to the season, which saw Hull F.C. lose four out of their first seven league games and also their defence of the Challenge Cup being ended at the first hurdle against the Bradford Bulls in a 23–12 defeat, to be replaced by Australian Peter Sharp who was recruited from Parramatta Eels where he was assistant coach. Between 14 April – 15 July 2006 Hull F.C. won 13 matches in succession, including a 27–26 defeat of the league leaders St Helens on 8 June 2006. The last time they beat St Helens on their ground was 18 years ago. This run ended in defeat at Harlequins RL on 23 July 2006. Hull F.C. managed to finish in second place, their highest league position in the Super League era. They lost to the league leaders St. Helens in the first Grand Final playoff game, but succeeded in reaching the final by defeating the reigning champions Bradford. Over 20,000 Hull F.C. fans travelled to Old Trafford, but again they lost out to the Saints, this time by 26–4. The overall attendance broke the Grand Final record, mainly due to the stadium's recent expansion.

For the 2007 season, Hull F.C. signed five players: Matt Sing (a prolific National Rugby League try-scorer and Australian representative), Hutch Maiava, Willie Manu, Danny Tickle and Wayne Godwin. Also, the Hull Football Club v Hull Kingston Rovers derbies are back for the 2007 season due to Rovers' promotion from National League 1. The first of four of these derby matches was played on Easter Monday, 9 April 2007, at the KC Stadium. The game was played in front of a sell-out attendance of 23,002 and ended with a result for the Black and Whites who had been struggling early in the season. The final score was 22–14 with Sid Domic crossing the line for the Airlie Birds in the final seconds.

On 23 April Paul Cooke, stand-off, controversially resigned from Hull Football Club to join Hull Kingston Rovers. Cooke claimed he was out of contract as he had not signed the contract that the club had offered him. Following his departure, club chief executive David Plummer resigned. His replacement James Rule has come in for much criticism.

Hull F.C. have endured a poor 2008 season and on 19 May 2008 the club dismissed coach Peter Sharp. A week later they appointed his assistant Richard Agar as his replacement. John Sharp has since been named as an addition to the Hull F.C. coaching staff. Hull F.C. finished a poor 11th in the League in 2008, falling far short of the fans expectations, although a Challenge cup final appearance and a successful franchise application ensured the season was not a complete failure. The club announced that Australian test forward Michael Crocker will sign for the club on a three-year contract from the start of the 2008–09 season. Fullback Chris Thorman has signed a one-year deal for 2009, after leaving Huddersfield. Matty Dale, Matt Sing and James Webster were released at the end of the season. Former HKR favourite – Webster having only played one game.

In March 2009 Michael Crocker was denied a visa to come to England to play for Hull F.C.. Hull F.C. announced four big name signings for the 2010 SL season: Craig Fitzgibbon, Mark O'Meley, Sean Long, and Jordan Tansey (although Tansey arrived at the club towards the end of the 2009 season, having been released early from his contract at Sydney Roosters). Several long serving players left the club at the end of the forgettable 2009 season, including Paul King, Graeme Horne, and Gareth Raynor.

Super League XV started well with five wins from the first seven games, the two losses coming away against Crusaders and Wigan Warriors. F.C. beat Hull K.R. 18–14 in the first derby of the year at Craven Park, but then followed a period of one win from five games, in which the team were convincingly knocked out of the Challenge Cup by Leeds. Hull F.C. finished the regular season in 6th place, however a convincing 21–4 home defeat by rivals Hull Kingston Rovers brought an early end to their playoff campaign.

On 22 July 2011 it was confirmed that Hull City's Head of Football Operations, Adam Pearson had purchased the entire shareholding of the club together with his close friend Mikey Drake and they had taken over full control from Kath Hetherington. In a statement on the club's website, it was also confirmed that James Rule would continue as chief executive.

Richard Agar left the club at the end of the 2011 season and was replaced by Australian Peter Gentle. The 2012 season was a largely transitional one, with high player turnover and many injuries hampering the side's progress mid-season; however, the club finished a respectable 6th in the regular season. They went on to convincingly beat Huddersfield in the first round of play-off games but fell to defeat away at Warrington in the preliminary semi-finals.

For the 2013 season, Hull F.C. again finished 6th in the regular season and beat Catalans at home in the first round of the play-offs but were comprehensively beaten 76–18 by Huddersfield in the second round. Hull F.C. also reached the Challenge cup final for the first time in 5 years but were beaten 16–0 by Wigan. On 24 September 2013 Hull F.C. announced the departure of Peter Gentle with two years still remaining on his contract. It is thought the record loss to Huddersfield in the play-offs along with the poor performance at Wembley were the main factors behind his demise. The next day Hull F.C. announced that 34-year-old assistant Lee Radford will become Head Coach from 2014 and Andy Last would step up to become Lee's assistant. Also former player Motu Tony becomes the new director of football, replacing outgoing director Shaun McRae.

In 2016 a promising beginning to the season was crushed with a 46–6 loss to Widnes. After this coach Lee Radford was locked out of the changing room. After this Hull endured a 10-game winning streak and finished on top of the Super League Table. Hull FC finally won at Wembley in 2016 with a win over Warrington in the Challenge Cup. (Which they followed up the next season to defeat Wigan to retain the trophy) After this Victory Hull ended their season by Finishing 3rd in the Super 8's, Hull later lost to Wigan in the Semi-Finals of the Play Offs.

In March 2020, Hull FC announced the departure of Lee Radford after a 38–4 home loss to Warrington Wolves. It transpired to be Hull FC's final fixture before the nation was put into lockdown due to the coronavirus pandemic. Assistant coach Andy Last was put in interim charge of the club until the end of the 2020 season, guiding the team to the play-off semi-finals, where they were eventually upended by Wigan Warriors. Last departed the club at the end of the 2020 season to take up an assistant coach role at fellow Super League club Wakefield Trinity.

In November 2020, Hull FC announced that Brett Hodgson would take over as head coach of the club for the 2021 season. The Australian coach won his first game of the season against the club he once played for, Huddersfield Giants.

Hull FC played their first match in front of spectators following the COVID-19 lockdown on 17 May 2021. They were defeated 27–10 by Catalans Dragons at home. Hull F.C. started the 2021 Super League season in strong fashion, only losing once in their opening seven games. However, the club ended the season winning only once in their last nine matches. This saw Hull F.C. finish the year in 8th place on the table. Hull F.C. finished the 2022 Super League season in 9th place on the table. Head coach Brett Hodgson resigned from his post and was replaced by Tony Smith for the 2023 season. Hull F.C. started the 2023 Super League season with two wins in a row under new head coach Tony Smith. However, the club would then record seven successive league defeats and sat second bottom of the table by round 10 of the competition. On 11 April 2024, Smith stepped down as head coach after 18 months in charge. Hull F.C. had started the 2024 Super League season poorly losing six of their first seven matches with their only victory coming in a last gasp effort against the London Broncos. Under Smith, Hull F.C. in 2024 conceded 50 points or more on three occasions.

1895–2002: The Boulevard
Hull F.C. moved into The Boulevard shortly after the formation of the Northern Rugby Football Union. Between 1904 and 1905 the ground was shared with Hull City A.F.C. and speedway also took place during the 1940s, 1970s, and 1980s, and also had a greyhound track in 2007. The Boulevard also hosted many international rugby league games. Like a number of grounds at the time, the pitch at The Boulevard was surrounded by a Motorcycle speedway track that was also later used for Greyhound racing.

2003 – present: MKM Stadium
In 2003 Hull F.C. moved into the KC Stadium, renamed KCOM Stadium in 2016 and MKM Stadium in 2021, which they share with Hull City for a second time in their history. The record attendance for a rugby league ground was 23,004 in 2007 when they played local rivals Hull Kingston Rovers.

Rivalries
The club's main rivalry is with cross-city side Hull KR in which they contest the Hull Derby.

Hall of Fame inductees
The following players have been inducted into Hull F.C.'s Hall of Fame:

Bill Drake · Chris Davidson · Gary Kemble · Richard Horne · Greg Mackay · Ivor Watts · James Leuluai · Jim Drake · Keith Boxall · Mick Crane · Paul Prendiville · Richard Swain · Tevita Vaikona · Trevor Skerrett · Billy Batten · Jim Kennedy · Joe Oliver · Clive Sullivan · Peter Sterling · Garry Schofield · Mick Scott · Arthur Keegan · Tommy Harris · Paul Eastwood · Phil Bell

Captains
Also see Category:Hull F.C. captains.

 * 1895 to 1896 – Cyril Lempriere
 * 1896 to 1897 – Charlie Townend
 * 1897 to 1898 – Cyril Lempriere
 * 1898 to 1900 – Herbert Wiles
 * 1900 to 1901 – Jack Townend
 * 1901 to 1902 – Tom Stitt
 * 1902 to 1904 – Harry Taylor
 * 1904 to 1905 – Jack Ritson
 * 1905 to 1906 – James Harrison
 * 1906 to 1907 – A. E. Freer
 * 1907 to 1909 – Harry Taylor
 * 1909 to 1910 – Billie Anderson/Billy Anderson
 * 1910 to 1912 – George Connell
 * 1912 to 1913 – Ed Rogers, Billie Anderson/Billy Anderson, Herb Gilbert
 * 1913 to 1915 – Herb Gilbert
 * 1915 to 1919 – Billy Batten
 * 1919 to 1921 – Jim Kennedy
 * 1921 to 1922 – Jim Kennedy, Billy Stone
 * 1922 to 1923 – Billy Stone
 * 1923 to 1924 – Edgar Morgan
 * 1924 to 1925 – Jim Kennedy
 * 1925 to 1928 – Eddie Caswell
 * 1928 to 1930 – Harold Bowman
 * 1930 to 1931 – Joe Oliver
 * 1931 to 1933 – George Bateman
 * 1933 to 1936 – Joe Oliver
 * 1936 to 1939 – Harold Ellerington
 * 1939 to 1945 – No fixed captain
 * 1945 to 1946 – Charlie Booth
 * 1946 to 1947 – Freddie Miller
 * 1947 to 1948 – Ernie Lawrence
 * 1948 to 1949 – George Watt
 * 1949 to 1950 – Ernie Lawrence
 * 1950 to 1955 – Roy Francis
 * 1955 to 1957 – Mick Scott
 * 1957 to 1965 – Johnny Whiteley (Bill Drake deputy 1962...63)
 * 1965 to 1971 – Arthur Keegan
 * 1971 to 1974 – Clive Sullivan
 * 1974 to 1975 – Chris Davidson
 * 1975 to 1978 – Brian Hancock
 * 1978 to 1980 – Vince Farrar
 * 1980 to 1981 – Steve Norton, Charlie Stone
 * 1981 to 1985 – David Topliss
 * 1985 to 1987 – Lee Crooks
 * 1987 to 1990 – Dane O'Hara
 * 1990 to 1992 – Greg Mackey
 * 1992 to 1994 – Russ Walker
 * 1994 to 1996 – Steve McNamara
 * 1996 – Gary Divorty
 * 1997 – Andy Fisher
 * 1998 – Alan Hunte, Gary Lester
 * 1999 – Karl Harrison
 * 2000 to 2001 – Tony Grimaldi
 * 2002 to 2004 – Jason Smith
 * 2005 to 2006 – Richard Swain
 * 2007 to 2009 – Lee Radford
 * 2010 – Sean Long
 * 2011 – Craig Fitzgibbon
 * 2012 – Andy Lynch
 * 2013 to 2017 – Gareth Ellis
 * 2018 to present – Danny Houghton

Past coaches
Also see Category:Hull F.C. coaches.

 * J Gray 1895–1900
 * W Wright, C Hunter 1900-3
 * H Coates 1903 to 1908
 * J Lewis 1908–12
 * Harry Taylor
 * Sid Melville 1912–27
 * Edgar Wrigley 1927–31
 * Edward Caswell 1931–46
 * Ted Tattersfield 1946–9
 * Roy Francis 1949–63
 * John Whiteley 1963–70
 * Ivor Watts 1970–71
 * David Doyle-Davidson 1972–73
 * Clive Sullivan 1973–74
 * David Doyle-Davidson 1974–77
 * Arthur Bunting 1978–85
 * Len Casey 1986–88
 * Tony Dean & Keith Hepworth 1988
 * Brian Smith 1988–90
 * Noel Cleal 1991–92
 * Royce Simmons 1992–94
 * Tony Gordon 1994
 * Phil Windley & Russ Walker 1994–95
 * Phil Windley 1995
 * Phil Sigsworth 1996–97
 * Peter Walsh 1997–99
 * Steve Crooks 1999
 * Shaun McRae 2000–04
 * John Kear 2005–06
 * Peter Sharp 2006–08
 * Richard Agar 2008–11
 * Peter Gentle 2012–13
 * Lee Radford 2014–20
 * Andy Last 2020
 * Brett Hodgson 2021–22
 * Tony Smith 2023–24

Honours
Major titles

'''Other titles

Player records

 * Most tries in a match: 7 by Clive Sullivan vs Doncaster, 15 April 1968
 * Most goals in a match: 14 by Jim Kennedy vs Rochdale Hornets- 7 April 1921, Geoffrey "Geoff" 'Sammy' Lloyd v Oldham – 10 September 1978, Matt Crowther v Sheffield Eagles – 2 March 2003
 * Most points in a match: 36 by Jim Kennedy vs Keighley, 29 January 1921
 * Most tries in a season: 52 by John "Jack" Harrison VC, MC, 1914–15
 * Most goals in a season: 170 by Geoffrey "Geoff" 'Sammy' Lloyd, 1978–79
 * Most points in a season: 369 by Geoffrey "Geoff" 'Sammy' Lloyd, 1978–79
 * Consecutive Tries: 11 by John "Jack" Harrison VC, MC, 1914–15 & Richard Horne, 2006

Career records

 * Most goals: 687 – Joe Oliver 1928–37 & 1943–45
 * Most tries: 250 – Clive Sullivan 1961–74 & 1981–85
 * Most points: 1,842 – Joe Oliver 1928–37 & 1943–45
 * Most appearances: 501 – Edward Rogers 1906–25

Team records

 * Highest score: 88–0 vs Sheffield Eagles, 2 March 2003
 * Highest against: 80–10 vs Warrington Wolves, 30 August 2018
 * Highest losing margin: 71 points (71–0) vs Bradford Bulls, 1 October 2005
 * Highest attendance (The Boulevard): 28,798 vs Leeds, 7 March 1936
 * Highest attendance (KC Stadium): 23,004 vs Hull KR, 2 September 2007
 * Highest attendance (Challenge Cup): 99,801 vs Wigan, 4 May 1985 (1985 Challenge Cup Final)
 * Highest attendance vs an international touring team: 16,616 vs Australia, 23 September 1948 (1948–49 Kangaroo Tour)
 * Only team to have won every single league game in a season: 1979 Division Two
 * Most consecutive Super League victories: 13 games, (14 April 2006 – 15 July 2006, beating Huddersfield, Wakefield, Catalans, Wigan, Bradford, Leeds, Huddersfield, St Helens, Harlequins, Castleford, Catalans, Salford & Warrington).
 * Most consecutive Super League Losses: 13 Games, (5 May 2018 – 7 February 2019, Losing to Huddersfield, St Helens, Wakefield, Hull KR, Wakefield, Huddersfield, Warrington, Castleford, St Helens, Catalans, Wigan, Hull KR & Castleford)

Also made their first super league grand final but lost to St Helens in 2006

title: Hull F.C.


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Wikinews demo up and running
Hi!

I'm writing to let you know that the Wikimedia Board of Trustees has approved the first stage of the Wikinews project. There's now a fully operational English demo site at demo.wikinews.org. This will be used for experimenting with various review models and basic policies before the site is launched officially in about a week. demo.wikinews.org will become the English version later. You voted for the Wikinews project, so I'm asking for your participation now. Everything is open, nothing is final. What Wikinews will and can be depends in large part on you. There already is a global Wikinews mailing list for discussing the project. If you are interested at all, please subscribe -- coordination is of key importance. There's also an IRC channel #wikinews on irc.freenode.net. Realtime discussion can help to polish up articles. If you're looking for something to do, check out the articles in development and articles in review. Or start a new story in the Wikinews workspace, or ignore the proposed review system - it's up to you. I hope you'll join us soon in this exciting experiment.--Eloquence* 01:59, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

speedy deletion
Under what criterion for speedy deletion were you nominating Never Pass Entry? --fvw* 05:49, 2004 Nov 28 (UTC)
 * Same as you gave on VFD, was just saving myself when we conflicted. --119 05:50, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Hmm? You stuck a speedy deletion template on it. Vanity is not a criterion for speedy deletion. --fvw* 05:52, 2004 Nov 28 (UTC)
 * Spam.. And if that's "not a criterion for speedy deletion", then oh well. --119 05:55, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

NPOV
You changed
 * sacrificed his life and earned the Medal of Honor to
 * was killed in an action for which he was awarded the Medal of Honor.

Would you say that someone who jumped on a hot grenade didn't sacrifice himself? I don't think that sacrifice is POV. It just says that he let himself die. The new version makes it seem like he was just killed by the enemy. I'd like to know what you think of the matter. Article about himBrokenSegue 14:01, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I see the phrase "sacrificed his life" as having militaristic connotations. I think it is much more neutral to say that he was killed in an action for which he was awarded the Medal of Honor (though that was broad as I didn't research him further) than to say he sacrificed his life and earned the Medal of Honor. Are you alright with this:
 * Minutes after this photo was taken Lt. Baldomermo Lopez was killed when smothering a live grenade with his body, for which he was awarded the Medal of Honor.
 * That's fine. Thanks for being so considerate. BrokenSegue

The Humungous Image Tagging Project
Hi. You've helped with the WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

Dot-map Image tags
119: Can you point me to an example of a dot-map image that's missing a copyright tag, and I'll correct them right away. I've tried to be very conscientious about marking all of the dot-maps as GFDL, because they were adapted from other GFDL Wikipedia maps. I hope that clarifies things for you. -- Seth Ilys 00:28, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Image:AKMap-doton-Skagway.PNG, Image:AKMap-doton-ScammonBay.PNG, Image:AKMap-doton-RussianMission.PNG Image:AKMap-doton-PortProtection.PNG, Image:AKMap-doton-PortAlexander.PNG. All now marked as GFDL. 119 00:35, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Groovy. Thanks. :) -- Seth Ilys 00:46, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hm
Not to be mean, but are you kidding? That picture is of me. Graduating. Why does it need an image tag? Mike H 00:29, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)
 * All images must have licensing information--the software obviously can't know that it's a picture of you and used on your user page etc. I came across it from its listing on Untagged_images. Did you mean to release it under the GFDL? 119 00:33, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Yeah, whatever you have to do. Mike H 01:07, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)
 * That doesn't help me. Perhaps you could just tag your own images how you like? 119 01:11, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Right now it's the holidays and I'm quite busy with other things besides Wikipedia. I only want to use that photo on this website. I don't even see why this is an issue right now. Can't this wait? Mike H 03:43, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)

Taxobox spaces
Hi 119 - having a blank line after the taxobox (and before where relevant) is WP:TOL standard - it greatly reduces the risk of anyone editing things into / out of taxoboxes by accident - MPF 17:03, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Alright 119 18:43, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Redirect project
Hi, the instructions for NickJ's project say "please delete from this page any suggestions that you added". I did several before my brain woke up enough to realize that the links were all blue - i.e. you'd already done them. Noel (talk) 11:59, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That's a bit rich
119, you suggest I didn't read the talk page. You seem to have failed to have noticed that I replied at

 * Talk:List_of_movies_that_have_been_considered_the_greatest_ever

As well as striking up new discussions at

 * Template_talk:Limitedgeographicscope
 * Wikipedia_talk:Template messages/Disputes

and also converting the few remaining instances where the geographic scope template was on the article page (the majority were already on the talk page before I had anything to do with it. Pcb21| Pete 11:07, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Image tagging chart
Actually, I used MS-Excel. I then took screenshots of the graphs, and pasted them into MS-Paint. I wish I had something better to use, but Excel works well enough, I suppose. – Quadell (talk) (help) 01:19, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)

Image:Ford Five Hundred Sedan.jpg
Why is Image:Ford Five Hundred Sedan.jpg a candidate for speedy deletion? —Ben Brockert (42) UE News  07:56, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * I came across the image through the Untagged Images project, and saw that it had been edited by only one author, and on his last edit he had replaced caption text with "(del)". No judgement on my part beyond that the author intended it be deleted. 119 19:02, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Bernard Williams
You deleted "terrifyingly" on the grounds that it's POV. "With this argument, Williams left moral philosophy with the notion that goodness must always be self-interested: that it springs only from the desire to be good, a desire that might, at any given moment, in any given person, be terrifyingly absent."

Is it POV? If a stranger put a gun to your head, or a knife to your heart, and in the moment before he killed you, you asked him why he was doing it, and he replied: "Because I want to," and he meant it, wouldn't that be terrifying? The philosophical point here is the removal of God from moral philosophy has left a (terrifying) hole, one that moral philosophers have tried valiantly to fill, but which can't be filled, because our notion of goodness now exists without protection, without anything to enforce it. If, as Williams argued, to be good is simply to want to be good, and there's ultimately no reason to want to be good, then we do live in a terrifying world. If this is true, it is true for everyone, regardless of POV. I would like to put that word back in, to convey that sense of a void. Would you mind? SlimVirgin 03:05, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * "Terrifyingly" is not attributed to Williams, and so was deleted because it represents the opinion of a contributor. How strongly this opinion is held by any Wikipedians is irrelevant under NPOV. 119 03:24, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * The word "terrifyingly" almost certainly was used by Williams at some point, somewhere. The point is not whether the view is held by me (I hold none of Williams' views on moral philosophy) or by other Wikipedians. The philosophical argument - and this is a page about philosophy - is that such a state is terrifying to contemplate. It is an argument. That is what philosophy is. SlimVirgin 03:39, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * As it was worded, it's not clear whether "terrifying" is Wikipedia's description or Williams'. A search for "terr" shows nothing in the rest of the article... 119 04:00, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Collaboration of the week
Military history of the Soviet Union is this week's Collaboration of the Week. Please contribute to it to help make it a feature article

Blitzkrieg
Why do you insist on removing any mention of Blitzkrieg predecessors and successors? It is obvious blitzkrieg was developed in the 1920s/30s by Germans and used exclusively by them in the IIWW. However it is just as obvious that blitzkrieg is just a step in the development of military doctrines - it takes much from earlier miltary knowledge, it influenced contemporary Allies and Soviets tactics and it left its mark on the post-IIWW Nato and Soviet modern tactics. Why on earth are you so fanatical about removing this obvious fact?? It would be much better if we could cooperate on expanding the still-missing or small sections on blitz in North Africa Campaign and anti-blitz countertactics. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:34, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Killian Documents Request for Comments
Your edit of my request for comments eliminates any hint of what the problem is. Why did you do this? Anonip 06:57, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Your RfC advocated a position, starting with "The Killian documents are forgeries." As the RfC page says above, "don't submit arguments or assign blame." 119 07:30, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I believe my revised RfC simply stated facts. I felt it was necessary to describe the dispute in this way because my previous description ("dispute concerning whether experts have determined the documents to be forgeries") failed to elicit much interest from commentators. Moreover, that really isn't the issue here. The obstructive editors aren't interested in discussing the factual question on a rational basis, they simply want to protect their willful ignorance. That is why progress is impossible. And I'm afraid that the minimal description you substituted is unlikely to get many other commentators involved. Anonip 08:45, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

News
Hi! Why have you removed the wikinews link from the article news? The text written in edit line does not suffice. Please note that you should tell us where to look for more information about wiki style (next time add e.g. See: "specific article"). Thanks. --Eleassar777 15:52, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Having an ad about Wikinews at the top of a page is not encyclopediac. If it was a link to BBC News, would you agree? See quote, book, source, species, dictionary, commons for comparison. 119 20:12, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ok I removed it from the top, however there is the add for wikiquote, wikispecies and wikidictionary on the pages you listed (a large add), and a link on wikicommons. So I added See also: wikinews to the news article. This is also what the article How to link to Wikimedia projects says. --Eleassar777 13:03, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Infobox Template
Expect to get bitched out about that, i removed it yesterday, and some user got up in arms about it. I have no problem with supporting the remove though.--User:Boothy443 | comhrÚ 08:06, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * I didn't realize it was controversial: it was a string of non-sensical text on one page and is not used or attempted on the others so far as I see. 119 08:14, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Neither did i, but you should see the responce i recived on my talkpage when i logged on today. --User:Boothy443 | comhrÚ 08:17, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

DLM
I see you've changed the translation of Division Légère Mécanique back again to Light Mechanized Division. This way it doesn't make sense: but you would still be fully justified to do so if it were the literal translation. However it isn't! A Division Légère would be a "Light Division": the adjective behind the noun goes to the front. If we then add Mécanique, "Mechanized" must again (the same rule applies) be put in front of "Light", resulting in the translation "Mechanized Light Division". A "Light Mechanized Division" would translate as a "Division Mécanique Légère". I hasten to add that most French, when translating from their mother tongue into English make the same (or opposite) mistake - and so both parties are confirmed in their error...

And thanks for noticing I had forgotten to change another "Keitel" into "von Kleist". That was a very stupid mistake I made. When writing it down I got the nagging feeling something was terribly wrong but I couldn't put my finger on it. Ah, I am getting old. ;o)

MWAK--84.27.81.59 10:56, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * My mistake, the author of this French OOB site translated it as such. 119 21:38, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * It's indeed a very common confusion! :o)

MWAK--84.27.81.59 18:40, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Criticisms of War on Terrorism
You've done a lot of work. The article is much better. Maurreen 07:51, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

AID Problems
You deleted all the votes older than one week when the AID nominations came up? Why!? -Litefantastic 12:29, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I understood each week as being on its own. The language was that an article could be nominated twice in a row, which I took to mean separation. If everyone else intended votes to stay, I'll fix it. I see some problems with it, though: holding over votes may effectively mean it takes two weeks to vote on all but the most popular articles, with everything added in the current week would be pushed back to a second run as a matter of course. 119 18:44, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Schools on Votes for deletion
As of March 4, 2005, the following (7) articles are currently listed for deletion under the POV suggestion that schools are not notable (even though this is invalid reasoning as per the Wikipedia deletion policy. Whether you agree or disagree, please be aware that the following schools are actively being voted on:

 * VfD: Canyon Crest Academy
 * VfD: Devonport High School for boys
 * VfD: Eyuboglu high school
 * VfD: Geylang Methodist Secondary School
 * VfD: Maha Jana High School
 * VfD: Robert Frost Middle School
 * VfD: Wood Green School

Thank you for your time. --GRider\talk

Strategic bombing during World War II
Where is the article history to show that you added the NPOV tag at the top of the article to match your comment on the talk page? Please see Talk:Strategic bombing during World War II -- Philip Baird Shearer 10:42, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Map of Paris' Commune
Hi,

I didn't make the map of the Paris' Commune. I took from http://www.marxists.org where it is said: All material within these Archives, unless noted otherwise, is protected by the Free Documentation License. Yann 21:47, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Normal distribution {{peerreview}}
Thanks for fixing it so quickly! I didn't even have time to reread the instructions and slap myself. --MarkSweep 06:01, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Convair B-36 FAC
I have addressed (hopefully!) your objections to the Convair B-36 FAC. Please see Featured article candidates/Convair B-36. Thanks, →Iñgōlemo←   talk   19:33, 2005 Mar 25 (UTC)

I have addressed your last round of objections. (Hopefully! :) )  →Iñgōlemo←   talk 06:12, 2005 Mar 26 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your support. It was certainly hard-earned, but hopefully well deserved. Cheers, →Iñgōlemo←   talk 00:22, 2005 Mar 27 (UTC)

More schools on Votes for deletion
As of March 25, 2005, there are an additional (6) articles listed for deletion under the POV notion that schools are non-notable (even though this is invalid reasoning as per the Wikipedia deletion policy). Please be aware that the following schools are actively being discussed and voted upon:

 * VfD: Blake Junior High School (renominated)
 * VfD: Franklin High School
 * VfD: Lake Dow Christian Academy
 * VfD: Red Lake High School
 * VfD: The Sage School
 * VfD: Toowoomba Grammar School

In response to this cyclical ordeal, a Schoolwatch programme has been initiated in order to indentify school-related articles which may need improvement and to help foster and encourage continued organic growth. Your comments are welcome and I thank you again for your time. --GRider\talk

Contributions count
Your goal is quite hard if you want to do it across all languages, but quite easy to get a good approximation for just one language. Erik's stats (en is here) show how many edits have been made in a month. Then you can use List of Wikipedians by number of edits to find the number of edits made in the last 30 days by the top 100 editors. Because 30 days ~ 1 month this gives you a good estimate. Both those pages are permanent enough for you to be able to footnote them as sources for your calculation. Hoep that is some help. Pcb21| Pete 07:55, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Re: Featured article candidates/Dakota, Minnesota and Eastern Railroad
I've updated the lead section per your suggestions. Please take a moment to review the changes. AdThanksVance. slambo 22:32, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Eldfell
Hi, you objected to this nomination on the grounds of a couple of untagged images of dubious provenance. I've now swapped those images for two legit ones. Care to have another look at the article? Thanks very much - Worldtraveller 15:48, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Noely Noel Noel Gallagher
Hello. Cheers for showing interest in the article nomination for Noel Gallagher. However, I feel (and having browsed your talk page, I'm not alone) that you may be taking your veiws on what is POV too far. To say that the events surrounding Be Here Now (recording sessions, songwrinting, the lifestyle of the bans, critical reaction) were chaotic is not my point of view. It is a widely held opinion, a fact even. However, I changed it. Surley it is fair to say Noel Gallagher has an arrogant front. I know it is not common practice to use the subjects first name, but I feel it is justified in this case given the fact that the article constantly reffers to his brother who shares the surname. Using first names avoids confusion.

Thanks anyway. Some of your suggestions certainly proved helpful.--Crestville 21:45, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Geology of the Death Valley area FAC
Could you explain what else is needed at Featured article candidates/Geology of the Death Valley area before you withdraw your objection? IMO, the references now have all the info you want, expect for the author info which was not provided by the source. --mav 02:17, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Blitzkrieg returns
Let's try working togehter this time and bring this up to FA, shall we? I have submitted it to Peer review/Blitzkrieg/archive1 and hopefully in a week or two we can safely submit it to FA. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:00, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Could you reply to Peer Review comments? You claim to know more then me about blitz, so I'd like to hear your opinion before I do any major changes or submit this to FAC. If you don't reply, I will assume Mozzerati is right and carry out all changes he suggested. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 10:58, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Well done!
Congrats on getting Wikipedia to FA status. :-) Ta bu shi da yu 23:58, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * As one of the people sporadically adding it to peer review, Ditto! It could still use some improvement; after all, it should be the best of our articles, and the one we are in a unique position to write :)  +sj  +  04:15, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

IBM History Flow study
Yes, late 2003. I believe it was November? when they took their data. Then the study was finally published in early spring 2004, perhaps in March. The dates are all in the paperr itself; I don't remember them perfectly. +sj +  04:15, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Image tagging
Can do, but isn't there a big thing on the page for uploading saying it's gfdl? Moomintrollmania 07:51, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Featured image from Germany in the 30's
I left an important copyright question for you at Image talk:1936NurembergRally.jpg. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 19:22, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

Share the wealth
 Since User:Fenice just awarded me this for upkeep on the AID, I figure you deserve the same - after all, you did the job for quite a while before I took over. -Litefantastic 22:44, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Template:expansion
Could you please take a look at the above template, it is currently the subject of a revert war where both sides are at the 3RR limit. 13:09, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

external links to articles about Wikipedia
Hi 119, I added the link to the Wired magazine article about Wikipedia (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/wiki.html) on 2005-07-17T06:52Z (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia&oldid=18972855) and this link was deleted by you on 2005-07-22T05:02Z, citing the link I added, amongst others, as unimportant (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia&diff=19314790&oldid=18509874). Today I found another good article about Wikipedia at Slate (http://slate.msn.com/id/2117942/). I for one find these and other previously linked articles about Wikipedia from external sources to be very informative in gaining a better understanding as Wikipedia as a social and cultural phenomenon. Perhaps Further reading, rather than External links, is the more appropriate section for these links. I would appreciate your feedback on this issue before I added any more external links. Slark 23:45, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * I have read the Wired article and previously attempted to somehow incorporate it into the article, but decided that it was too narrow in being first focused solely on the English edition, and then focused on only a handful of the English Wikipedia's users. Is it really worth space on an article covering hundreds of languages and thousands of users? Even within the English Wikipedia community, the users profiled are not representative.
 * If something would best not be covered in the article, I think it would take a lot to add it as further reading or an external link. Perhaps better suited to English Wikipedia? On the Slate article, I really do not think that article merits being singled out as a link--there are currently 54 references, i.e. articles we actually found useful enough to incorporate in the text, and only a few of those are Further reading. If his criticisms are unique or significant then I would think we should just cover it in the article first. 119 04:45, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Seems to be...
Regarding your edits on West Highland Way, it's not terribly helpful to delete information just because you don't like the language. Possibly have a stab at rewording it yourself next time? It may be slightly more difficult and time consuming to edit in a positive, constructive manner rather than just zapping things, but I believe it will result in better content (and less iterations of editing, i.e., me putting back in modified versions of things you took out until one doesn't offend you) in the long run. Only around 48,100 left articles to fix. Cheers. — pmcm 21:04, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Review MOND
I've addressed all objections to the proposal of making Modified_Newtonian_dynamics a featured article. Please review and (hopefully) change your vote to support. Thank you. Loom91 08:24, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Addressed! Loom91 17:59, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

As a courtesy to me
As a courtesy to me, I request that you discuss my article on the talk page before you do that again. Do not revert me.--Jimbo Wales 17:09, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Turks in Chicago
''I recently found your post on Talk:Chicago, Illinois, asking for information on Turks in Chicago. Here is the article on Turks in the Encyclopedia of Chicago. Sincerely, Dralwik 23:35, 26 September 2005 (UTC).''

Turks constitute a small proportion of Chicago's population, with an estimated total of 5,000 individuals in the 1990s. As a whole, they form a highly educated segment of society, many working in the medical and engineering professions.

Though the largest portion of the current Turkish community descends from post–World War II immigration activity, the first Turkish speakers, mostly young men, arrived around the turn of the century, seeking employment in heavy industry. However, calculating the number of Turks who arrived in the United States in general and Chicago in particular prior to World War I is difficult. Since they came from the Ottoman Empire, an extensive, multiethnic state, they were often grouped by immigration officials with other Ottoman subjects, including Greeks, Bosnians, Armenians, Kurds, and Jews, many of whom also spoke Turkish. This ambiguity was compounded further when the officials, confronting a language unlike any they normally dealt with, often changed the names of the Turkish men to something more comprehensible to the English-speaking world. Thus records are difficult to trace on this early group. Of the total of 291,435 Ottoman immigrants recorded by U.S. immigration between 1900 and 1920, best estimates place the Turkish contingent at between 45,000 and 65,000. Most of these were young men from villages in the Anatolian plateau, leaving the Ottoman Empire illegally and planning on staying in the United States for a limited period. A small group of 100 such men sailed into Detroit on the cargo ship Gulcemal in 1914, many of these men moving on to Chicago. The majority of these early immigrants actually returned to their homes in Anatolia during or shortly after the end of World War I, but several, including a number of men in Chicago, married American women and stayed.

Shortly after the founding of the Turkish Republic in 1923, Turkish immigration was severely curtailed, with an official quota of 100 Turks allowed into the United States per year, although there were exceptions for spouses of U.S. citizens and certain specialists, such as medical professionals. Beginning in the 1950s, a number of highly educated Turks, this time including women, arrived to enroll in American universities, such as the University of Chicago and Northwestern, or to serve in skilled professions, particularly medicine and engineering. Like the first wave of immigrants, many of these students and professionals married into the community and remained in Chicago.

Unlike some immigrant communities, the Turks in Chicago have not tended to reside in certain areas of the city, but in general are scattered through the northwest, including significant groups in Naperville and Highland Park. To serve the needs of the Turkish community, the Turkish American Cultural Alliance was founded in 1964 and by 1968 had opened a cultural center on Harlem Avenue, including a mosque and a weekend Turkish-language school. In addition, Chicago has also been the site of a Turkish consulate since 1948.

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Thanks
I just wanted to drop by and thank you for helping with the AID, which is one year old today. Also the system you laid down for us to use has been overhauled heavily with each change of administration, it has never been scrapped or replaced. We all owe a lot to you, and as the AID's highest-milage editor, I'd like to thank you with your very own personal barnstar. Wear it with pride.

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Where is this picture from?
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AfD Nomination: List of locations which held February 15, 2003 anti-war protests
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Plauen

Plauen ( Czech: Plavno) is, with a population of around 65,000, the fifth-largest city of Saxony, Germany after Leipzig, Dresden, Chemnitz and Zwickau, the second-largest city of the Vogtland after Gera, as well as the largest city in the Saxon Vogtland (German: Sächsisches Vogtland). The city lies on the river White Elster (Weiße Elster; a tributary of the Saale), in the Central Vogtlandian Hill Country. Plauen is the southwesternmost city of a string of cities sitting in the densely populated foreland of the Elster and Ore Mountains, stretching from Plauen in the southwest via Zwickau, Chemnitz and Freiberg to Dresden in the northeast. It is the capital of the Vogtland District. Plauen borders Thuringia to the north, and it is also situated near the Saxon border with Bavaria (Franconia) and the Czech Republic (Bohemia).

Although being a Saxon city, the regional Vogtlandian dialect spoken in Plauen is a (Saxon-influenced) East Franconian variant related to the dialects of neighbouring Franconia in Bavaria. The name of the city as well as the names of many of its boroughs are of Slavic origin. Plauen and the surrounding Saxon Vogtland are known as the center of the German embroidery and lace industry.

History
Plauen was founded by Polabian Slavs in the 12th century as "Plawe" and was passed to the Kingdom of Bohemia in 1327. The town was captured by the Archbishop of Magdeburg, Lippold von Bredow, in 1384. In 1466, it was passed to Albertine Saxony and later in 1569 to the Electorate of Saxony. Plauen became incorporated into the Kingdom of Saxony in 1806 during the Napoleonic Wars, and in 1871 it became part of the German Empire.

In the late-19th century, Plauen became a centre of textile manufacturing, specializing in Chemical lace, called Plauen lace. Around 1910, Plauen, as an industrial 'boomtown' of the region, reached its population peak (1910 census: 121,000, 1912: 128,000). Plauen's population, however, has shrunk dramatically since the Second World War (1939: 111,000 inhabitants).

In the 1930s, Plauen hosted the first chapter of the Nazi Party outside of Bavaria.

During the war, the Nazis operated a prison in the town, and three subcamps of the Flossenbürg concentration camp. 500 women, mostly Polish, but also Russian, Italian, French, Yugoslavian and Croatian, were imprisoned and used as forced labour in the first two subcamps, and 50 men from various countries were imprisoned in the third subcamp. It was occupied by American troops on 16 April 1945 but was left to Red Army on 1 July 1945. On 15 December 1945, the city issued 7 semi-postal postage stamps of its own to raise money for reconstruction.

From 1945 onwards, Plauen fell into the Soviet occupation zone of Germany, which later became the German Democratic Republic (1949–1990). Plauen hosted a large Red Army occupation garrison and, in the last years of the GDR (DDR), an officer school of the Border Guards ("Grenztruppen der DDR"). The first mass demonstration against the communist regime in the GDR began in Plauen on 7 October 1989; this was the beginning of a series of mass demonstrations across the country and ultimately led to the re-unification of Germany in 1990.

The exposé Fast Food Nation gives special mention to Plauen as the first city of the GDR to have a McDonald's restaurant following the collapse of the Berlin Wall.

As part of Saxony's local government reform of July 1st 2008, Plauen lost its status as a district-free city and was integrated into the Vogtlandkreis district.

Jewish Community of Plauen

The Jewish community of Plauen dates back to the early 14th century and numbered up to several houndreds between world wars. A reform-Jewish, bauhaus-style synagogue was opened in 1930, only to be demolished in 1938 during the Krystallnacht. Plauen becoming a Nazi stronghold, attacks against the Jewish community were frequented in the 1920s. Physical signalling Jews are documented from 1932. Most of the Jewish population either left or was killed during The Holocaust. Today, no Jewish community exists in Plauen. The city of Plauen maintains few sites in the city to commemorate the past Jewish life in Plauen, such as the Jewish Cemetery.

A 3D-model of the Jewish Synagogue of Plauen was designed by Prof. Marc Grellert and his team from the TU Darmstadt as a part of his project to 3D design German synagogues that were demolished before, during and after the WW2. https://www.architektur.tu-darmstadt.de/fachbereich/aktuelles_arch/architektur_news_details_133952.de.jsp

Politics
The first freely elected mayor after German reunification was Rolf Magerkord of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), who served from 1990 to 2000. The mayor was originally chosen by the city council, but since 1994 has been directly elected. Ralf Oberdorfer of the Free Democratic Party (FDP) was mayor between 2000 and 2021. The most recent mayoral election was held in two rounds on 13 June and 4 July 2021, in which Steffen Zenner (CDU) was elected.

The most recent city council election was held on 26 May 2019, and the results were as follows:

! colspan=2| Party ! Votes ! % ! +/- ! Seats ! +/- ! colspan=2| Valid votes ! 30,247 ! 98.2 ! ! ! ! colspan=2| Invalid votes ! 556 ! 1.8 ! ! ! ! colspan=2| Total ! 30,803 ! 100.0 ! ! 42 ! ±0 ! colspan=2| Electorate/voter turnout ! 52,962 ! 58.2 ! 13.8 ! !
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 * align=left| Christian Democratic Union (CDU)
 * 20,717
 * 23.7
 * 11.7
 * 11
 * 5
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 * align=left| Alternative for Germany (AfD)
 * 17,464
 * 20.0
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 * 11
 * New
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 * align=left| The Left (Die Linke)
 * 12,728
 * 14.5
 * 6.9
 * 6
 * 3
 * bgcolor=|
 * align=left| Social Democratic Party (SPD)
 * 12,245
 * 14.0
 * 5.0
 * 6
 * 2
 * bgcolor=|
 * align=left| Free Democratic Party (FDP)
 * 8,687
 * 9.9
 * 2.6
 * 4
 * 1
 * bgcolor=|
 * align=left| Alliance 90/The Greens (Grüne)
 * 7,529
 * 8.6
 * 2.7
 * 3
 * 1
 * align=left| Initiative Plauen (WV)
 * 4,752
 * 5.4
 * 0.4
 * 2
 * ±0
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 * align=left| The III. Path
 * 3,366
 * 3.8
 * New
 * 1
 * New
 * ±0
 * bgcolor=#0B6623|
 * align=left| The III. Path
 * 3,366
 * 3.8
 * New
 * 1
 * New
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 * colspan=7| Source: Wahlen in Sachsen
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Industry and infrastructure

Plauen (Vogtland) Oberer Bahnhof lies on the Leipzig–Hof line. The section of this line through Plauen is part of the Saxon-Franconian trunk line running between Nürnberg, Hof, Plauen, Zwickau, Chemnitz and Dresden. The city had another station, Plauen (Vogtland) Unterer station (now defunct), on the Elster Valley Railway. There is a plan to rename the Oberer (Upper) station into Plauen Hauptbahnhof (Main Station).

Vogtlandbahn (Vogtland Railway), a regional train company, operates services from Plauen to Hof, Werdau, Chemnitz, Zwickau, Falkenstein and Adorf within Germany and Cheb in the Czech Republic. At these stations, there are other Vogtlandbahn services to Munich, Regensburg, Marktredwitz, Dresden and Leipzig within Germany and Karlovy Vary and Prague in the Czech Republic. A Vogtlandbahn Express Bus service runs between Plauen and Berlin Schönefeld Airport and Zoological Garden.

The Plauen Straßenbahn is a tram system with 6 lines connecting the center of city, the central Plauen-Tunnel stop, to the surrounding areas and the upper railway station (Oberer Bahnhof).

Main sights

 * Embroidery Machine Museum
 * Museum Plauener Spitze
 * Galerie e.O. plauen
 * Old City Hall
 * Elster Viaduct – second largest brick bridge in the world
 * Friedensbrücke – largest stone arch bridge in the world
 * Johanniskirche
 * Old Elster Viaduct – oldest bridge in Saxony
 * Malzhaus

Education and science
Plauen is home to a University of Applied Sciences with about 300 students and a DIPLOMA Fachhochschule.

Twin towns – sister cities
Plauen is twinned with:

 * 🇨🇿 Aš, Czech Republic (1962)
 * 🇦🇹 Steyr, Austria (1970)
 * 🇩🇪 Hof, Germany (1987)
 * 🇩🇪 Siegen, Germany (1990)
 * 🇭🇺 Cegléd, Hungary (2005)
 * 🇵🇱 Pabianice, Poland (2006)
 * 🇱🇹 Šiauliai, Lithuania (2010)

The urban district of Jößnitz is twinned with Heilsbronn, Germany.

Notable people

 * Heinrich von Plauen (1370–1429), Grand Master of the Teutonic Knights
 * Christoph Pezel (1539–1604), theologian
 * Johann von Mayr (1716–1759), Prussian general
 * Ferdinand Gotthelf Hand (1786–1851), philologist
 * Eduard Friedrich Poeppig (1798–1868), botanist, zoologist and explorer
 * Gustav Hartenstein (1808–1890), philosopher
 * Charles Beyer (1813–1876), locomotive designer and engineer
 * Emil Kautzsch (1841–1910), theologian
 * Arwed Rossbach (1844–1902), architect in Leipzig
 * Hermann Vogel (1854–1921), illustrator
 * Kurt Helbig (1901–1975), weightlifter
 * Friedrich Hielscher (1902–1990), religious philosopher, writer and resistance fighter against Nazism
 * E.O. Plauen (1903–1944), cartoonist
 * Paul Wessel (1904–1967), politician (SED)
 * Egon Zill (1906–1974), Nazi SS commandant of the Flossenbürg concentration camp
 * Werner Hartenstein (1908–1943), war-time commander of U-156
 * Walter Ballhause (1911–1991), photographer
 * Horst Dohlus (1925–2007), SED functionary
 * Karl Richter (1926–1981), conductor, organist, and harpsichordist
 * Hans Otte (1926–2007), composer and pianist
 * Klaus Zoephel (1929–2017), composer and conductor
 * Klaus Zink (born 1936), footballer
 * Angelika Bahmann (born 1952), slalom canoeist, Olympic champion
 * Kornelia Ender (born 1958), swimmer, Olympic champion
 * Volker Eckert (1959–2007), serial killer
 * Matthias Freihof (born 1961), television actor and director
 * Andrea Stolletz (born 1963), handball player
 * Olaf Schubert (born 1967), comedian and musician
 * Martin Dulig (born 1974), politician (SPD)
 * Philip Geipel (born 1986), racing driver
 * Christian Bahmann (born 1981), slalom canoeist
 * Christin Zenner (born 1991), swimmer
 * Kassem Taher Saleh (born 1993), politician (Alliance 90/The Greens)

Honorary citizens

 * Martin Mutschmann, 1933 (revoked 1945)

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William Ros, 3rd Baron Ros

William Ros, 3rd Baron Ros of Helmsley (19 May 1329 – Bef. 29 Sep 1352) was a military commander under Edward III of England. He was knighted by the king in 1346, having helped raise the siege of Aiguillon. In the same year, he was one of the lords who led the second division in the Battle of Crécy, and afterwards commanded the fourth division of the English army against the Scots, near Neville's Cross, when David Bruce, with many of the Scottish nobles, was taken prisoner.

On July 12, 1346, he was among several young men (including Edward, the Black Prince) knighted by King Edward III of England at the church of St. Vigor in Quettehou in anticipation of their service in the campaign that was to culminate in the Battle of Crécy and the siege of Calais. A plaque commemorates this event.

In 1346, he was with Edward III and the Black Prince, at the siege of Calais, when it was taken by the English.

In 1352, he accompanied Henry of Grosmont, Duke of Lancaster on his journey to Prussia; but died the same year, before the feast of St Michael, aged twenty-three, and was buried abroad.

Marriage
William Ros married, about 28 August 1349, Margaret Neville (d. May 1372), daughter of Ralph Neville, 2nd Baron Neville, by whom he had no issue.

His widow married secondly, as his first wife, Henry Percy, 1st Earl of Northumberland.

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Thamizhaga Munnetra Munnani

Thamizhaga Munnetra Munnani was a short-lived political party founded by veteran Tamil film actor Sivaji Ganesan that existed from January 1988 to December 1989. Sivaji Ganesan had a long running relation with many political parties, with his first movie itself being a propaganda movie of Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (DMK).This party also contested on ladder symbol in 1989 election.

The party was born in January 1988 after a split in the Tamil Nadu faction of the Indian National Congress. The split itself was after another party All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (ADMK) broke into two fragments one led by V. N. Janaki and R. M. Veerappan and other by J. Jayalalithaa. Ganesan and his supporters left the Congress on differences in opinion on which fragment of ADMK to ally with in 1989 state elections.

Thamizhaga Munnetra Munnani backed V. N. Janaki Ramachandran's fragment of the party and lost in all seats it competed for. Ganesan eventually regretted his decision to float his own party and merged the party with Janata Dal in December 1989.

Sivaji Ganesan
Sivaji Ganesan was one of the foremost stars of Tamil film industry. Born as V. C. Ganesan, he was christened Sivaji by Periyar E. V. Ramasami, who was then leading the Dravidar Kazhagam and the Self-respect movement, in the 1940s. He debuted in the Tamil movie Parasakthi in 1952, a movie which heavily contained elements of Dravidian politics. Although Ganesan was a member of the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam he found that atheistic outlook of the party to cost him his movie fame. He was also frustrated with importance given to M. G. Ramachandran, another movie star, in the party. But yet he stayed on in the party until his visit to Tirumala Venkateswara Temple became a center of controversy within the DMK. Responding to the controversy Ganesan called the DMK "a glamour party" and moved to Tamil National Party. The Tamil National Party was itself formed by former members of DMK such as E. V. K. Sampath and Kannadasan. Later Ganesan joined the Indian National Congress when Tamil National Party was merged with it.

Birth of Thamizhaga Munnetra Munnani
M. G. Ramachandran had been heading the All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (ADMK) as its founder after his feud with M. Karunanidhi in 1972. He had been the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu since 1977 until his death in 1987. Soon after his death the party broke into two, one headed by his wife V. N. Janaki Ramachandran and other by another Tamil movie star J. Jayalalithaa. Election Commission of India refused to accept either of them as the original ADMK. Tamil Nadu Congress decided to ally with Jayalalitha's fragment of ADMK.

This move was opposed by Sivaji Ganesan and hence he left the party along with his supporters to form the new party Thamizhaga Munnetra Munnani on 10 February 1988. To popularise the party Ganesan produce a movie titled En Thamizh En Makkal (My Tamil language and my people). At the time the party was created it was considered to be pro-Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) along with ADMK faction led by R. M. Veerappan. The party opposed the presence of Indian Peace Keeping Force in Sri Lanka stating that the force was trying to wipe out the LTTE and its leader V. Prabhakaran. The party also urged the Government of India to hold talks with the LTTE without any pre- condition.

Merger with Janata Dal
The party lost every seat it contested for in the 1989 elections. Sivaji himself lost at Thiruvaiyaru to a DMK candidate by a margin of 10,643 votes. Soon after the election he dissolved the party and asked his party cadres to join Janata Dal which he himself did after an invitation from V. P. Singh. Later in his life Sivaji Ganesan regretted to have ever floated his own party and reportedly said: Many of the people with me were professional politicians. They had to remain in politics necessarily to make a living. I was compelled to start a party for their sake, although I did not require it.

On other occasion he added: The votes that I secured came from people of another party. It is true that I was defeated. This was a big disappointment and a very difficult situation that I faced. What could one do? When we take wrong decisions, we have to face disappointments.

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