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User talk:R. S. Shaw/Archive 1

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Cribbswh
I have a problem with you undoing my edit and calling it "linkspam". I did not add a commercial link to the census page, rather a link to the 1880 census that is a free service. A VERY useful and relevent reference.

F.A. White
RS, my warmest compliments for identifying the F.A. White hoax. When the anonymous user started inserting these pages I thought they were legit, but the long lists of unrelated references gave me an uneasy feeling. Good of you to spot how Ole Daniel Enersen actually removed the entry from WhoNamedIt.com!

Skills like these make Wikipedia a reliable source. My congratulations. JFW | T@lk  21:29, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Pedigree collapse
The link on that page (Mountain of Names) is the source for the statement that Alphonso XIII had only eight great-great-greatparents. Do you have a source that gives the number as ten? Rmhermen 14:10, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

Minor edits
Goodness: Somebody who checks up on somebody else's edits! You certainly do have lots of wikipedia time. (Just out of curiosity, how did you choose me: Did you come across an edit that aroused suspicion/annoyance, or is this something that you have been patrolling?)

Anyway, for 2 years I've marked edits as minor when they involve, say, a grammatical change that doesn't alter the meaning of a sentence, or a rearrangement of existing material so that it flows better - largely because wikipedia's performance can be so wonky that it's a pain to wait for a page to open to check an edit, only to find that it was insiginficant. You will find, I think, that this is very common - many minor edits involve more than a single word (not counting the folks who try to sneak in vandalism, of course).

I will, however, take your advice and be more careful. It's easy to get lazy or in a rut, and it could be that I've allowed a sort of "mission creep" to expand what I think of as minor beyond what it should be. - DavidWBrooks 13:50, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

.doc -> DOC
Hi there! Placing a redirect is all nice and comfy, but the articles weren't identical. I trust you will be merging the content of the two articles and thereby finish what you started. Bye, Shinobu 15:27, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mind if I ask where you're from?
I used to work with a Richard Shaw, and I was wondering if there was perhaps some bizarre cosmic coincidence at play. May I ask you where you're from? – ClockworkSoul 05:28, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah - I see. I saw from your contributions that you're very knowledgeable of software-related subjects, and my R. Shaw was a software developer where I used to work. Although you are not the Shaw I know, it's still a pleasure to meet you. – ClockworkSoul 19:47, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Categorization
Thank you for making Category:Computing legible. I just realized that it is always better to display the subcategory section this way. For big categories (more than one page), it is important that the subcategories appear on one page. And for smaller categories, it makes even less sense to divide the subcat section with headlines – most headlines just cover one link anyway! I see two ways to achieve this: Please reply here, I'll be watching this page for a while. Sebastian (talk) 23:43, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)
 * 1) a change request to remove headlines from subcat section;
 * 2) a bot that does what you did;

 * Well, I'm glad that someone else thinks the solid subcat arrangement is more readable. I do have problems quickly reading with the alphabet headings interspersed.  Those headings are one problem. The splitting of some subcategories to other pages is another problem.  A third related problem is that people use the category sort-keys as if they also changed the displayed link text (that they don't is a design mistake I think).  When they do that, the repeated prefixes (like "computer" in this case) still appear, yet because of the different sort placement, they don't line up in a nice column for quick scanning.

 * Having a bot do the category key updates seems fairly plausible, and a very good idea. (I wouldn't want to have to do a larger number of edits than I just did.)  Any ideas of how to go about getting some botmaster interested in providing such a thing? -R. S. Shaw 00:21, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I’ve seen requests for bots on WP:HD. But I would rather hold off a bit. This is a general layout problem, so it should be fixed generally. I propose to request the following: “Change layout in subcategory list to (1) not include any headlines and (2) display all subcats on first page.”

Only if this can not be done any time soon then I’d ask for the bot. The bot is only a workaround and has several disadvantages:
 * 1) Links are less legible. Few people would add them this way. (This might be facilitated by a “subst” template, though.)
 * 2) It needs to be run continuously just to maintain the status quo. (If only one user adds a subcategory “Zoo” then the “*” list is incomplete until the bot is run again.)

I have never submitted a request, but I could try this over the weekend, unless you’d like to do it. While we’re at it, we could also submit a request to display piped links under the piped name. (If the piped name consists of only one letter then the current functionality should be kept: Display the physical name and just use the piped name for sorting. As a “nice to have”, we could also set off or bold the “*” entries.) Sebastian (talk) 01:38, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC)

 * I have to agree that a change to the category display code would be better, especially because of the continued re-running if bots are used. Go ahead and request it if you want; I'd support.  There might be more push back on the alpha headings than on the "all subcats on first page" (or rather "all subcats before any articles").  An intermediate approach for headings would use them only when there are more than say 10 items in a group, which might require generation of headings like "A-C" instead of single letters. -R. S. Shaw 02:54, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There are already two pertinent bugs:
 * Bug 491: Categories need piping feature to list by alternative name: Unfortunately, this one started off on a bit of a wrong foot because it referred to a very special case of a redirect. Not sure what would be best: Add a comment to the bug that it's actually more general, or post something on Village_pump (proposals) – I have no experience with either.
 * Bug 1211: Subcategory paging is not separate from article paging: This one is set to Severity: minor. Maybe it could be increased if we point out that it affects a lot of people. —  S e b a s ti a n  ( T ) 22:24, 2005 Jun 12 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip about cats
I did know that, but I had forgotten it when I made those changes. I've fixed them, thanks for letting me know. JesseW 06:26, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hello
Hi, and thank you for your advice. Bronks

apologies
I have no idea how your vote here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Islam&diff=19735835&oldid=19735796 got deleted. I dont even know why that edit even exists, why would I go back and change the minute of the timestap I posted at... I've been looking at it trying to figure out what happened and the only thing I could think of was maybe I clicked the Save Page more than once by accident... --GNU4Eva 02:57, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
You wrote

You might find things go easier if you copy (for pasting) from the main title area (next to the wikiGlobe) rather than out of the URL (in the location box of the browser). (I'm guessing that's what you're now doing.) For instance, that way you would get "Embargo (journalism)" instead of "Embargo_%28journalism%29". The text is bigger too, which makes it easier for me. -R. S. Shaw 08:01, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

 * I just wanted to say thanks for the note and suggestion. Calicocat 06:11, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

WP:CS
Hi there! Regarding the renaming of WP:CS... I'd prefer to discuss this rather than vote on it. My point is that the page is used for notifying the many people who read it about relevant debates, polls and surveys, usually on policy or process issues. And of course it's useful to have such notifications in a single location. The point is that about half if its content simply isn't a survey. So it would kind of make sense to make the name match the process. Of course my recommended name might not work well either. I'm really not sure what Maurreen is up to except that she seems to like opposing everything I do, so I'm afraid that's not really helpful. Would you mind to change the vote back into a discussion? Of course arguing about a name is mainly semantics, but a wrong name can confuse new users - for instance, we've just renamed Votes for Deletion for that same reason (that it isn't supposed to be a vote). Yours, Radiant_ >|< 08:35, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for CPU block diagram
Hey, I just wanted to thank you for creating that block diagram for the CPU article. I've been really busy as of late and haven't had the chance to finish adding and revising the article as I've wanted to yet, but I'll get to it eventually. Glad to know that I'm not the only person in the world that's interested in this becoming a respectable and informative article! -- uberpenguin 14:14, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Umm... I'm a vandal?
Could you kindly take a moment to explain to me how my copyedits to Shrimp farm constitute vandalism to be reverted? Thanks. IceKarmaॐ 03:41, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Note: I made a procedural mistake and apologized on his talk page -R. S. Shaw

 * That's alright, I've restored the clobbered edit myself. Thanks for clarifying. IceKarmaॐ 04:02, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Merging Computer storage
Thanks for the warning. I haven't been on Wiki daily any longer. I wouldn't have noticed. --None-of-the-Above 09:10, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

194.83.191.3 reversions
Oops my bad, sorry and thanks for the heads up. Inexperience and all that - I'll try better next time. I saw the damage was being done over a period and just went into overdrive in exactly the way you suggest. Again sorry. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page)  09:32, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

binary
Ravn pointed out in the edit summary why binary star was removed (WP:D "this is not a search index", please only add links to this page, if there is a significant risk of confusion). -- A dam1213 Talk + 05:43, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Date links
Since you have previously taken an interest in links. Please be kind enough to vote for my new bot application to reduce overlinking of dates where they are not part of date preferences. Thanks. bobblewik 20:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

 * There is now a new proposal on the same subject. You may wish to see the proposal at: Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29. Thanks. bobblewik 08:54, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

GML
You said that you cannot put the JS in directly...that should be impossible. If it works as a reference, it works in your JS.

Copy in the GML directly from the reference and make some modifications to the function "function AddRevertButtons". Change it to:

function AddRevertButtons { var l, article = '', vandal; // Add 'revert' links to a diff page l = document.getElementById('bodyContent').getElementsByTagName('td'); for (i = 0; i < l.length; i++) { if (l[i].className == 'diff-otitle') { article = l[i].getElementsByTagName('a')[0].href.split('&')[0].replace(/[^\/]*\/\/[^\/]*/, ''); } else if (l[i].className == 'diff-ntitle') { var toplink = l[i].getElementsByTagName('a')[0].href; vandalip = l[i].getElementsByTagName('a')[1].href.split(':')[2].split('=')[1]; vandal = l[i].getElementsByTagName('a')[1].href.split(':')[2].split('&')[0]; var t = l[i].innerHTML n = t.indexOf(') ) ' + rollbacklink + '' + rollbacklink + '</str ' + t.substring(n + 5, t.length); }     }    }

I turned off the contribs rollbacks long ago (I am an admin, and only use this script for rollbacks for different purposes). Notice that either vandalip or vandal is used depending on whether vandal gives "Contributions". See if this works. Voice -of-  All T 00:08, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

 * As an alternative, consider putting in your JS file instead of the GML "doc.create" reference. This will give you my standard non-admin RC patrol kit. Voice  -of-  All T 00:14, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

It's here!!!
Dear Ms. Shaw:

And it's here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Announcing my CS 492 term-end paper: On Wikipedia — the Technology, the People, the Unfinished Work.

Thank you for all the kind help you have lent me during the paper-writing process!!!

Long live Wikipedia!!!

Shuo Xiang 22:27, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup tags
We've been thinking about the cleanup tag problem for a while on Wikipedia talk: Cleanup process/Cleanup sorting proposal; see our hashed out tags on User:Alba/Workspace/Cleanup tag proposal. Our idea so far had been to have a, with "topic" being a text field and date being the same as the current cleanup-date. I'm concerned that a Babel-like tag would deprecate too many current tags. However, how about this? What if a bot autonoted additional tags and added/subtracted their descriptors to the text tag, so that the total set of problems could be kept track of? Would that fix the dangling-cleanup problem? (i.e., when zero problems remain in the text field of the cleanup tag, the article is deemed 'clean' or sent for a final review). Please add your ideas! Thanks for contributing!

Alba 13:32, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Anti-Psychiatry
Hello RS Shaw. I noticed you added a cleanup tag to anti-psychiatry after Dcfleck noted it on WP:PNA. However, that was over a month ago and, since then, a concerted effort from Dc, myself and a few other editors have sorted out the page to a decent standard. Thus, i'll remove the tag in a day or so unless you object, as i don't believe it is in any real need of a cleanup anymore. I'll let Dc know also, to check he has no objections either. Thanks! Rockpocket 05:38, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup Archaeology
thanks for sorting the anomalies on Wikipedia:Pages needing attention/Archaeology. Thanks :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  07:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Different than/to/from
Thanks for your message. I'm changing the edits I made to "different from" wherever applicable, and will check the sentence to make sure they read properly. To address your specific example, "he looked different than he did on the show" would be incorrect to many purists, while "he looked different from the way he did on the show" or "his look was different from that on the show" would be acceptable to everyone, so I'll probably plump for one of the latter versions. Unless you strongly object, of course! Waggers 11:36, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

RE: mr Ruud
Look. Read my bio. I've been around. Mr Ruud needs to learn some manners. He's turned into a lawyer now, quoting copyright law while I'm flogging my arse off to improve the page. As the self-appointed page-god he re-emptively reverts my damn good work. What am I supposed to do here? Get into a reversion war? because if that's what is needed, so be it. There won't be a dialog between us because all 20 years of him is so goddamn smart that there will be no discussion. Why is it that I don't see any constructive work coming out of Mr. Ruud? he could have edited my work, removed the quotes and reworded. But no, just his pre-emptive revert. Dick-behavior is dick-behavior. Of course Mr. Ruud is a lovely fellow, beloved by all who know him. But he is suffering a bout of dick-like behavior. Another person sighed too -- read the Algorithm discussion page. This, right here, is why many of us are not contributing to Wikipedia as we could and might. My son, a post-doc, refuses to even read Wikipedia let alone contribute to it. This is damned upsetting, and a waste of my time. End of discussion.wvbaileyWvbailey 19:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Do you remember Jimminy Cricket on Mousketeers Club? He used to sing the song:"beauty is as beauty does/That's what the wise men say." Well: "Civil is" as "civil does". That's the point of this little cat fight.wvbaileyWvbailey 21:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Magic numbers
I noticed this edit you made on mitochondria. What is the significance of 415 vs 400. I had not noticed this before. David D. (Talk) 08:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Error?
Hi, you said there was an error in this. Would you please explain it to me? Al 02:26, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

My Bad
My first comment at WP:Village pump, and I put it in the wrong section...aye-yi-yi! All I can say in my own defense is that I was still laughing about the 'fetish site' comment. You're obviously an old hand around here, can you correct it? I don't want to compound my error. Thanks a lot for your patience with a newbie :) Doc Tropics 03:13, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the clean-up, I appreciate it. If it had been on my Talkpage I would have taken care of it myself, but since it was a public forum I didn't want to 'tamper' with my own comments. In the unlikely event that I can ever help you with anything, just let me know and I'll be glad to. Happy Editing :) Doc Tropics 03:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

oh my god, what did you do?
that is so not how you're supposed to archive the reference desk, there's a bot that does it, only the bot doesn't wipe the entire history of the page--71.247.107.238 15:53, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Um, the bot has been screwing up; this change is trying to improve archiving and other aspects. The new way doesn't wipe history any more than the bot does.  This should be discussed on Wikipedia talk:Reference desk. -R. S. Shaw 04:12, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Relations
Are you related to any Shaw's in NC? (Sorry to ask this here but you do not have a email address enabled.) ...IMHO (Talk) 10:43, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Census data estimates 194,000 Shaws in the U.S., and I know almost none of them, am related to fewer, and none of those are in NC. -R. S. Shaw 21:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

AfD
The List of life extension-related topics has been nominated for deletion. --Transhumanist 18:44, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:PNA update
The last time or times Pearle ran its PNA-update scripts, it didn't process the new converted PNA pages that are under Pages_needing_attention/Social_Sciences_and_Philosophy. Apparently there is a list or something that needs to have the new pages added to it. If you would like, you could tell me where it is or what format Pearle needs the page list in and I can set that up. In any case, it would be good to get these pages fleshed out by the bot. Thanks. (unsigned comment from User:R. S. Shaw)
 * The list is actually in the source code. It's there to keep the bot from mangling sections which have been improperly converted.  I've been checking sections before adding them to make sure they won't get screwed up.  I just need to get around to doing that, and I didn't want to hold up updates on the medical section (which I was going to refer someone to) in the meantime.  I will make an effort to update the list and do another run in the next few days. -- Beland 15:48, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info (and for writing and running the PNA sorting). The new PNA pages are not a pressing issue for me, I just expect them to be useful when updated.  Sorry for forgetting my sig above. -R. S. Shaw 19:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Not a problem...thanks for the reminder. It's nice to know that there are people who are actually checking these pages.  It turns out I have far less time this weekend than I'd previously planned, so I'm going to take off the blinders and let Pearle run wild on all the PNA pages.  Most improper operation can be reverted and fixed by editing the pages in question to set them up in the right format.  There is a different list of subpages to process in addition to the four main ones.  This is needed for topics like Computing and Education where there are sub-sub pages.  Let me know if there are any more of these I should add. -- Beland 02:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Avianca Flight 52
Thank you for correcting the note about Avianca Flight 52 departing out of MDE airport instead of EOH, and for pointing out the source! -- AirOdyssey 19:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Sarah Edmondson Discussion
Thank you for quoting additional sources in the discussion regarding Sarah Edmondson at Talk:James E. Edmondson. By the way, the Crime Library website was already cited by me. --TommyBoy 22:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know you gave a link to the Crime Library site, but not to that page on the site (which discusses the relationship). -R. S. Shaw 23:51, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Aha Variable
Dear R.S. Shaw,

The article I created,Aha Variable,is no hoax. If you could,check out the "Key To Algebra" Series,Book 1-Operations On Integers. When my algebra professor read the historical note,I decided to write about Aha. It shows the problem written in hieroglyphics. Or,check Problem 24 in the Rhind Papyrus. Please,if you attain any comments,go to my talk page. Thanks. User:Hempfel

Barnstar of Diligence
I was searching for a WikiFairy to help with a disambiguation project, and found your page. Your history is impressive:

Bit
R.S. - Please teach me. Now that I've registered, I was the one that added the reference to positions on 'bit' (where position 0 is the 1st). I originally went to wiki - bit, didn't find it, followed other links, didn't find it - researched it, and kindly added it to where I thought it should have been in the first place. But then you reversed it. Now, I have no problem with that -> after all, I'm new and I'm learning about the proper use of wiki. And in that light, where would something like that go, properly?

Thanks, Jim Gale
 * ''Response made on his talk page, User talk:JimGale. -R. S. Shaw 19:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I have considered it
Its not going to be easy for me to do as I am a busy guy studying for my G.C.S.E's. I agree that some of them should be reverted however they are not all bad and i do not have the time to do it. I hate to have to take this approach but I'm sure that whoever is next editing the article can decide what to do.

Appologies yet again--  Ji MoTh Y  TALK  21:18, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Noticed that you changed some IBM 407 edits
I would have thought the inline 'tabulating machine' link was the correct Wikipedia style. What am I missing? Or, same question expressed differently, why is correct to link inline to IBM but not to Tabulating machine? Thanks, wanting to learn 69.106.254.246 05:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

note: using parens for square bracket so that I can describe your edit.

Thanks for the quick reply, but the question above is about an internal link, not external. As best I recall, it looked to me as if you had changed '((IBM)) ((Tabulating machine|tabulating machines))' to '((IBM)) tabulating equipment' and, since the 407 is a tabulating machine, I'm curious why the internal link to IBM is ok, but the internal link to "tabulating machine" was not.

There is also a terminology question. I would have thought a consistent vocabulary should be used: if the "Tabulating machine" article has established that term, shouldn't the 407 article use it rather than "tabulating equipment"?

Again, I'm more interested in why you made those 2 changes than in what appears in the article.

Thanks and apologies if I seem to be dragging on a piece of trivia, but if I don't ask I'll never learn.69.106.254.246 07:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Main
Another Oops? I saw "main" at beginning of an article (forgot which one); thought it was pointing to an overall article. I added a "Guide to Unit record articles" to the "Unit record equipment" article, then put a "main" in each article listed. So from "Unit record equipment", for example, you can click "IBM 407", do what everyou want there, and click "main" to get back. What should I have done? "Unit record equipment" is a thin, sparse, article right now, but expected to grow. Thanks, 69.106.232.37 07:10, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Later: I was also thinking that if someone found the IBM 407 article first, they could get to the "main" article without having to know what it was.

Still later: Ahh, now I remember. "main" in "IBM 407" would be ok if I had used "details|IBM 407" in the "Unit record equipment" article, right? So I should get rid of the "Guide" section, and in the case of IBM 407, use "details|IBM 407" below the "Tabulating" heading. I did the "Guide" section so that readers could see a map of all the unit record articles; will have to see how it turns out done the other way. I'll add a "details|IBM 407" there now -- just in case my writing here is as confusing as it often is -- so that you can see what I've tried to describe. Thanks again. 69.106.232.37 07:30, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I'll reply here. Well, it's not as straightforward as I thought. The most common use of {main}, by far, is in a short section of an article to point to a full article that covers the subject of that section.  But after I del'd the main in 407, I went and looked at the talk for template:main and saw that they seemed to say that there was also another use, I guess complemented by use of {details} at the other end.  That talk page also leads to the guideline page on the subject.  The thrust seems to be how to break up a huge page into a group of pages connected by {details} to subpages and {main}s back.  But what you're up to is more like connecting a set of pre-existing pages together, which is not quite the same thing (but could be related).  At that point I decided I was too tired to sort it out now.  So I don't think I can give reliable guidance on this. Best to ignore my 407 edit (put it back if you decide that's right). -R. S. Shaw 07:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I added a comment to Talk:Unit record equipment suggesting that what might be appropriate here would be a "Unit record equipment" category, with the articles for various pieces of unit record equipment having . This discussion should perhaps be continued on that page.  Guy Harris 22:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

RefDeskBot
Hi - I'm sorry for the delay in responding to your message - messages I got yesterday (24th) were not (mostly) responded to, since I had food poisoning :( - I've been on the mend today, and am mostly better now :) Anyway - to the subject - that's a very interesting note - I'll take a look through the regex in the program. I think the problem was that I was expecting users to start a new section using the wikipedia standard, but whoever added that question must hve typed the ==blah== themelves (in that part of the program, the bot only recognises == blah == - I've fixed it further up in the program, so just need to do it again now :)). Thanks for reporting this - I'll fix it tomorrow (hopefully when I'm back to 100%!) M a rtinp23 21:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on the Chainki:Disambig thing
re: problem of disambig pages on http://da.chainki.org.

Thanks for your help in the "Chainki:Disambig" thing. Following your clues, I ripped out all the content of the Disambig template and just left it with the line, got that working (though I had to force an edit on each of the disambig pages). From there I just copied the original content back into the template and now it seems to work! Dunno quite what's going on, but problem more or less solved. So, thanks again for your help.

80.201.218.42 09:01, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Mitochondrion
I apologize for my sincere mistake. Thanks for fixing again. Fred Hsu 07:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

No big deal, but ....
Regarding your very recent relocation of some equations in the Hydrodesulfurization article. As the primary author of that new article, I deliberately had the two equations further to the left of the page because I believe it looks better that way. Do you feel very strongly that they should be centered as you did? If not, I would like to revert your change. Please let me know here on your Talk page. Regards, - mbeychok 23:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't have to be centered, but the lack of alignment in the previous version wasn't good. (Remember that different browsers render pages differently.) I'll take the centering out. -R. S. Shaw 23:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You are correct to use a table ... I had indeed overlooked rendering by various browsers. There are more such equations further down in that article. Would you be so kind as to also "table" them exactly as you did that first set? Thanks, again. - mbeychok 23:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. -R. S. Shaw 00:23, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Doing something about the ridiculous date autoformatting/linking mess
Dear RS—you may be interested in putting your name to, or at least commenting on this new push to get the developers to create a parallel syntax that separates autoformatting and linking functions. IMV, it would go a long way towards fixing the untidy blueing of trivial chronological items, and would probably calm the nastiness between the anti- and pro-linking factions in the project. The proposal is to retain the existing function, to reduce the risk of objection from pro-linkers. Tony 15:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

sexuality pages needing attention
Hi. You reverted my edit to Pages needing attention/Sexuality in which I said "deleted supposedly-bot updated section because it doesn't seem to make any sense. I checked two articles listed there which neither were about sexuality nor had cleanup tags as of the last update." Your re-addition is all well and good if you are sure that the bot is actually going to update it sometime soon and that the update will make sense. Do you know these things? --Strait 23:25, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I don't know that the bot will be run soon. It unfortunately depends on a single individual (who happens to be busy).  Nevertheless, keeping the page in format ready for it seems very much the thing to do.
 * As to the article selection "making sense" -- well it's just a dumb robot, and just follows the categories it's given and the categories assigned to articles. So it's far from perfect, but it still seems useful.  The sexuality page doesn't seem all that bad to me.  One can easily skip over "Adenylosuccinate lyase deficiency" and choose to look at "Age of consent reform".  This is very much easier than, for instance, looking through the thousands of entries in Category:Cleanup from December 2006 for those articles that might be related to sexuality. -R. S. Shaw 02:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well... the bot shouldn't really have a hard job. All it needs to do is find articles that are, for example, in both Category:All_pages_needing_cleanup and Category:Sexuality.  It doesn't seem to do this, for the reasons I have given.
 * Anyway, whether or not the bot will ever come by, I'm going to change it to the empty bot template, since the current list is useless. Is this compromise ok with you? --Strait 15:12, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Since that will allow the bot to update it in the future, and since you're probably the only current user of the page, I'll not persue trying to have the previous bot-generated content remain visible. Enjoy. Of course little remains on the page, mostly long out-of-date comments from 2004 and 2005.
 * I must say, I don't see why you object to having a semi-useful list available for those who might be interested just because it isn't perfect. And it is certainly imperfect (having already-cleaned pages still listed, and having irrelevant pages like Allelic exclusion and DNA listed).  But also in the list are actual pages related to sexuality which do in fact still need cleanup (e.g. Ejaculation, Facesitting, Feederism, Frenulum clitoridis).  Although you might find it too tedious to browse through the list, leaving it available for others wanting to do cleanup work in the subject area wouldn't seem like such a burden on the rest of the readers.  After all, this is not an article, just a maintenance-assistance page. -R. S. Shaw 21:27, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Mass consumed in atomic explosion
In your last edit summary to Little Boy, you said, "it'd be nice to have the actual mass destroyed". The introduction to the article already says, "Approximately 600 milligrams of uranium was converted into energy. It exploded with a power of 13 to 16 kilotons of TNT..." — which you can check for yourself using E=mc². —wwoods 07:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing out the previous para (duh!). I've put it in the Basic Design section also, in different form, as I think it is good to have in both places, for slightly differing reasons. -R. S. Shaw 20:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

"...the simple eight-bit 8085 architecture, which resembles neither CISC nor RISC"
What's wrong with this? The basic principles behind the 8085 (i.e. the 8008 / Datapoint 2200 from the late sixties) has very little in common with what is now called CISC (i.e. VAX, 68000 etc), and certainly nothing in common with the RISC computers of the eighties (except for basic "von neumann" principles, and the lack of microcode).

Just because I don't want to further establish this shallow and historically incorrect divide into either the "RISC" or the "CISC" category, does not make it POV, it actually makes it more NPOV.

If you can't agree, tell me whether 8085 is a RISC or CISC design? ;)

HenkeB 14:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad you belive those are not great categories, but how can they wither away if we continue to re-establish them over an over (particulary on WP)?

Regarding their more concrete technical meaning: I assume you can agree that one of the central ideas behind RISC was to leave complicated addressing modes out, as such addressing was normally implemented by varied length microcode routines, which, at the time, was very hard and/or expensive to fit into a pipelined execution model.

With that in mind, it's a little hard to digest that architectures with even simpler addressing modes (such as the 8008) should be labeled as complex. I have no problems with the term "RISC", as it means something. "CISC", on the other hand, is a sloppy retroactive label (as implied by yourself), which can meaningfully describe only a subset of all non-RISC computers. As such, the term should be used very sparingly and only for machines that fits the description. To just give up, as you suggested, and quietly accept whatever usage of terms and language, is wrong :)

(Sorry for my limited english)

HenkeB 22:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

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Selwyn, New Zealand

Selwyn (Herewini) is a village in the Selwyn District of Canterbury, New Zealand. It was laid out in the 1860s for a population of 2,000 people, but it currently has very few houses.

Naming
Captain Joseph Thomas, the chief surveyor of the Canterbury Association, named the Selwyn River after Bishop Selwyn, New Zealand's first Anglican Bishop. This township, the district and an electorate later used the same name.

Geography and transport
Selwyn is located just south of the Selwyn River / Waikirikiri and is prone to occasional flooding. It was established around the rail corridor of the Main South Line that was planned in the 1860s. The railway first reached the township in 1867. Most of the time, the river can be forded, and the road bridge was not built until 1927. Its successor bridge now carries State Highway 1 traffic, which crosses the railway line in Selwyn; initially, two right angle bends were provided, later to be replaced by a sweeping S-bend.

Selwyn is 37 km south-west of Christchurch, and 4 km north-east of Dunsandel.

History
Albert Beetham was an engineer and surveyor from Christchurch. Aware of the plans for the Main South railway, Beetham bought a piece of land on either side of the gazetted corridor approximately 1 sqkm in size. He subdivided it into 470 sections for a target population of 2,000 and provided two town squares, Victoria Square and Market Square.

The railway reached Rolleston in October 1866, the north bank of the Selwyn River on 7 October 1867, and Selwyn Station via a bridge over the Selwyn River on 16 December 1867. This original bridge, though, was destroyed in a flood on 4 February 1868. Brickwork piers used for the original bridge were replaced by piles in the reconstruction. Due to financial problems of the Canterbury Provincial Council, Selwyn remained the terminus of the line for some years.

For a time, the demand for sections in Selwyn was brisk, and even speculators started buying some of them. At one point, Selwyn had a blacksmith, bootmaker, butcher, saddler, and a wheelwright, and amenities included a boarding house, billiard saloon, a hotel with stables, and some shops. The railway yards were a depot for construction works undertaken by the Provincial Council.

Selwyn's importance waned when the railway reached the south bank of the Rakaia River, where the township of Rakaia formed. The Rakaia River Bridge was formally opened by the provincial Superintendent, William Rolleston, on 29 May 1873.

A far greater problem was ongoing flooding, though. Many residents left Selwyn for the neighbouring township of Dunsandel. Even the hotel itself was, in about 1900, shifted to Dunsandel. Today, Selwyn has fewer than ten houses, with many derelict cottages still visible. Selwyn celebrated its 150th birthday in September 2012.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carla Marie Dancey

Carla Marie Dancey
This article is associated with an unsuccessful candidate whose attempt is documented in the associated election results article. The article seems to be non-notable and was flagged for cleanup.

 * Delete. not notable - maybe redirect to Canadian Action Party? Whosyourjudas (talk) 23:23, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. As a general rule, I'd suggest that anyone who campaigns for federal office is eligible for an entry on Wikipedia.  This page needs a cleanup; it doesn't need to be deleted.  CJCurrie 23:53, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. I presume if this person had run for office on a Star Trek episode it would be fine to keep them. The Recycling Troll 04:47, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. People who stand for no-hope parties that get tiny votes (She got 76 in this year's election) aren't notable. CBC Average Earthman 10:10, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Agree with Average Earthman. --Improv 12:32, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep it - this person was on the ballot in a real election. That's notable enough. Intrigue 19:45, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Wiki is the only place you'll find this info. the world needs a place for these people.Kevintoronto 21:01, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep but more info would be nice such as what riding did she run in, how many votes did she get etc. AndyL 22:44, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, or at most merge and redirect into the article on the Canadian Action Party. Jallan 00:49, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete for reasons given for deleting other non notable losers of Canadian elections. Also a comment that a lot of the 'keeps' for these non-entities come from CJCurrie and people he's paged to get to support him. Jongarrettuk 23:11, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Mikkalai 04:56, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Loser. GWO 18:25, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I notice a certain trend around VfD: unelected political candidates for minor parties are notable for their candidacy alone, if they're American. Ten minutes of searching gave me Beau Gunderson, Jerry Kohn, Tim Smith, Tom Bailey, Andrés Soto, Gayle McLaughlin, Nicole Sarmiento and Rick Griffin, and I'm sure countless others would show up if I kept looking. But if they're Canadian, watch the deletes come out of the woodwork. Keep as equally notable to anyone on that list, or VfD that list too. Bearcat 00:10, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep she has run in three elections, one as a Reform Party member finishing second in 1997. (I expanded the page to note this) Earl Andrew 19:41, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)


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Bahr (poetry)

A baḥr (from Arabic بحر, lit. 'sea'; ; bəhr; bahir; بحر; bahr) means a meter in Arabic, Persian, Turkic and Urdu poetry. Essentially, bahr is a specific pattern, combining the arkaan of Urdu prosody that define the "length" of a sher. However, generally bahr is categorized in three classes: Short, medium, long, depending upon the length of the sher of the ghazal.

For a ghazal, since all the shers in it should be of the same bahr, determining the bahr of one sher (or even one line of the sher) is enough to determine the bahr of the entire ghazal. For example, in this ghazal of Ghalib, the length and meter of the ashaar is same throughout. In terms of the European method of scansion, the metre can be written as follows (where "x" = long or short, "u" = short, "–" = long, " u u " = one long or two short syllables):

 * x u – – u – u – u u –

 * koii ummiid bar nahiin aatii
 * koii suurat nazar nahiin aatii

 * aage aatii thii haal-e-dil pe hansii
 * ab kisii baat par nahiin aatii

 * jaanataa huun savaab-e-taa'at-o-zahad
 * par tabiiyat idhar nahiin aatii

 * hai kuchh aisii hii baat jo chup huun
 * varna kyaa baat kar nahiin aatii

 * kaabaa kis muunh se jaaoge 'Ghaalib'
 * sharm tumako magar nahiin aatii

The ghazal above is written in a bahr called: khafiif musaddas makhbuun mahzuuf maqtu (Meter G8). This is a ten-syllable bahr and by the standards of Urdu poetry, is a chotii (small) bahr.

As with the scansion of Persian poetry, a syllable such as miid or baat consisting of a long vowel plus consonant, or sharm consisting of a short vowel and two consonants, is "overlong", and counts as a long syllable + a short one.

In Urdu prosody, unlike Persian, any final long vowel can be shortened as the metre requires, for example, in the word kaabaa in the last verse above.

Taqti
Taqti is the process of breaking down words of all verses of a Ghazal or a poem into fundamental syllables calculating their weights (vazn), and checking if all verses are consistent with any of the known meters. For example, the word "Jaanisaar" can be broken down into four syllables "Jaa", "ni", "saa" and "r". The weight of "Jaa = 2", "ni = 1", "saa = 2" and "r = 1" and weight of the word "Jaanisaar" is 2121. Rekhta (website) has developed free online tool "Rekhta Taqti" for poets to calculate and check bahr of Ghazal or a sher.

Types of bahr
There exist many bahrs, but mainly there are 19 bahrs used in Urdu poetry. These bahrs are further distributed in different types, but they are not described here. The names are:

 * baHr-e-rajaz
 * baHr-e-ramal
 * baHr-e-baseet
 * baHr-e-taweel
 * baHr-e-kaamil
 * baHr-e-mutadaarik
 * baHr-e-hazaj
 * baHr-e-mushaakil
 * baHr-e-madeed
 * baHr-e-mutaqaarib
 * baHr-e-mujtas
 * baHr-e-muZaara
 * baHr-e-munsareH
 * baHr-e-waafer
 * baHr-e-qareeb
 * baHr-e-saree
 * baHr-e-khafeef
 * baHr-e-jadeed
 * baHr-e-muqtaZeb

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kingdom of Kismaayo

Kingdom of Kismaayo
The only Google hit for "Kingdom of Kismaayo" is a Wikipedia fork. Interestingly, even the Wikipedia article doesn't show up at Google, just its fork. RickK 23:22, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)
 * Interesting that this "kingdom" coincidentally has the same flag, coat of arms and location as Canada. Delete. [[User:Livajo|力伟|т]] 23:57, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Move to Kismaayo, which has 4,010 Google hits and an Encyclopedia Britannica article, and revise significantly. --Goobergunch 23:59, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Factually incorrect, and not sufficiently notable. Do we want a webpage on every little warlord's domain in the world? --Improv 12:36, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep it - Improve, but yes, a warlord who is able to control teratory is important. Intrigue 19:46, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fiction. Gzornenplatz 01:35, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is a hoax as it is. Not even good as a redirect Jallan 16:45, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete - Even if it's real, its wholly insignificant, basically a tiny rebel enclave inside a minor (if existant) Somali City whose warlard called himself a king. There were dozens of such enclaves during the civil war. ClockworkTroll 16:03, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Taco Deposit | Talk-o Deposit 23:00, Oct 2, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete unless there's proof that it actually exists (and I'm not talking about the map and flag...). --Andylkl 05:47, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete unverifiable stuff. -- Cyrius|✎ 01:06, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fictitious. And I wonder where they found maple leaves around there. Antandrus 03:17, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)


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Lough Derg (Shannon)

Lough Derg, historically Lough Dergart (Loch Deirgeirt), is a freshwater lake in the Shannon River Basin, Ireland. It is the third-biggest on the island of Ireland (after Lough Neagh and Lough Corrib) and the second largest lake in the Republic of Ireland.

It is a long, narrow lake, with shores in counties Clare (south-west), Galway (north-west), and Tipperary (to the east). It is the southernmost of three large lakes on the River Shannon; the others being Lough Ree and Lough Allen. Towns and villages on Lough Derg include Portumna, Killaloe & Ballina, Dromineer, Terryglass, Mountshannon and Garrykennedy.

The lake's name evolved from the Irish Loch Deirgdheirc. This was one of the names of The Dagda, the father of gods and men in Irish mythology, and literally means "red eye".

Lough Derg has many islands including Inis Cealtra or Holy Island.

Geography
At its deepest, the lake is 36 m deep and covers an area of 130 km2. Close downstream from where Lough Derg empties into the Shannon are the falls of Doonass, the largest fall on the otherwise gently sloping river. Nearby is the location of the hydroelectric power plant at Ardnacrusha, which, when built in 1927 was the world's largest.

Usage
In the nineteenth century, Lough Derg was an important artery from the port at Limerick to Dublin through the canals in the midlands of Ireland. Navigable over its full 38.6 km length, Lough Derg is today popular with cruisers and other pleasure craft, as well as sailing and fishing. The University of Limerick has an activity centre by the lake, just north of Killaloe, where there are canoes, kayaks, windsurfing, sailing dingies, and other recreations.

Lough Derg is home to an RNLI Lifeboat which is based at Dromineer, the first inland station in Ireland. In June 2013, 35 people were brought to safety when a major rescue effort was undertaken after an international rowing event was hit by severe weather.

Dublin City Council published a plan in 2011 for a pipeline to supply up to 350 million litres of water a day from Lough Derg to Dublin city and region. In 2016 the Parteen Basin at the south of lough was chosen as the proposed site of extraction. Water would be pumped to a break pressure tank at Knockanacree near Cloughjordan in County Tipperary and gravity fed from there to Dublin.

Ecology
A breeding pair of white-tailed eagles first nested on an island in Lough Derg in 2012. This marked a great success for the Irish reintroduction programme started in the summer of 2007.

Nitellopsis obtusa, an invasive alga in the family Characeae (stoneworts), was first recorded in Ireland in this lough in 2016. In 2021, invasive quagga mussels were discovered in the lake and in Lough Ree by a research team from UCD.

The North-East Shore is listed as a Special Area of Conservation.

Towns/villages

 * Ballina
 * Dromineer
 * Garrykennedy
 * Kilgarvan
 * Killaloe
 * Mountshannon
 * Portroe
 * Portumna
 * Scarriff (location of regional Waterways Ireland office)
 * Terryglass
 * Whitegate

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magnus Thompson

Magnus Thompson
This article is associated with an unsuccessful candidate whose attempt is documented in the associated election results article. The article seems to be non-notable and was flagged for cleanup.
 * Keep. This article is part of a series on the official candidates in Canada's 2004 federal election.  Every other candidate from Winnipeg has a bio entry, and it would make little sense to delete this one.  Thompson has run for federal office in Canada on two separate occasions; this fact alone would qualify him for inclusion on Wikipedia.  Regarding the cleanup notice ... a while ago, someone posted a series of poorly-written articles on candidates of the Canadian Action Party.  I cleaned up this particular piece, although by the looks of things I forgot to remove its entry on the cleanup page.  In any case, the notice no longer applies to the current article.  As to the article being non-notable ... it's true that there isn't much to say about this particular candidate, but this is grounds for a stub notice, not a deletion.  CJCurrie 23:41, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Any one who make the ballot in a federal election in Canada (or any other country) probally deserves an article. Dsmdgold 01:38, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * This is trivially easy to achieve in Canada, the UK and a number of other countries. Average Earthman 10:20, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. If there isn't room in Wikipedia to record the folly of these modern day Quixotes, where can there be room? I've tried researching also-rans from elections past, and come up with nothing, so they disappear in the sands of time. Surely Wiki can be the repository for this kind of trivia. Kevintoronto 03:31, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I would be in favour of recording election results, with a brief description perhaps of the candidates, but not as a separate article for each one. Average Earthman 10:20, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. I presume if this person had run for office on a Star Trek episode it would be fine to keep them. The Recycling Troll 04:47, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Oh-so-true. 8^) Wile E. Heresiarch 06:56, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. I found the webpage on Canadian elections elections.ca, and it appears the rule on appearing on the ballot is not massively restrictive - if you're a citizen, and over 18, and not barred by specified regulations, you can stand and will appear on the ballot. The number of votes this individual received is not in the slightest bit notable, all he did is waste a bit of his time and money. Average Earthman 10:17, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Agree with Average Earthman. --Improv 12:34, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep it - this person was on the ballot in a real election. That's notable enough. Intrigue 19:45, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Some further comments: I've made a few changes to the Thompson article, hopefully increasingly its relevance in so doing.  As a more general response to Average Earthman: it's true that getting on the ballot in Canada isn't very difficult, but (i) there still aren't very many independent candidates in this country (compared to, say, India or Britain), and (ii) notwithstanding which, the very act of running for public office is enough to make someone a public figure, and hence qualify that person for inclusion on this project.  Like Kevin, I've also tried to search out information on also-ran candidates from previous elections, and I know how frustrating the process can be.  If Wikipedia can provide this service to interested parties, why not make use of it?  CJCurrie 20:06, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, candidate in recent federal election and, given the minority government there could well be another election in a year or so meaning this person may well run again so it is worthwhile keeping this in the database. AndyL 22:42, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete for reasons given for deleting other non notable losers of Canadian elections. Also a comment that a lot of the 'keeps' for these non-entities come from CJCurrie and people he's paged to get to support him. Jongarrettuk 23:13, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. If someone wants to ceate a project somewhere to record information on defeated candidates, just go and do it. Then link to the project from an appropriate article in Wikipedia. But as a Canadian, I know very well that being a fringe candidate in Canada is not enough to make anyone a public figure in any but a legal sense (otherwise the information on such candidates wouldn't be hard to find). Just being a "public figure" doesn't mean you are notable. Some fringe candidates are already reasonably well-known public figures. Some are simply nutters. Some are members of the Rhinocerus Pary of Canada which only gets three hits on Google but which does deserve an article! Some are from small fringe parties. Some represent only themselves. Meanwhile, I'd see nothing wrong with moving such information into articles on fringe parties. Jallan 01:27, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Mikkalai 04:56, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: wrong side of the line. Just running for office doesn't establish notability. Wile E. Heresiarch 06:56, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Strewth, how many of these are there??? GWO 18:26, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Apparently the 2000 Canadian election had 1808 candidates. Take that figure, subtract the few that would have been notable. Multiply by number of elections in Canada. Then add in all the elections in the UK, Australia, NZ, France, Germany, etc etc etc!!! Jongarrettuk 22:41, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I notice a certain trend around VfD: unelected political candidates for minor parties are notable for their candidacy alone, if they're American. Ten minutes of searching gave me Beau Gunderson, Jerry Kohn, Tim Smith, Tom Bailey, Andrés Soto, Gayle McLaughlin, Nicole Sarmiento and Rick Griffin, and I'm sure countless others would show up if I kept looking. But if they're Canadian, watch the deletes come out of the woodwork. Keep as equally notable to anyone on that list, or VfD that list too. Bearcat 00:11, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Then nominate them. Here on VfD, we consider each nomination on a case by case basis.  The argument that "other articles are worse" is meaningless when those articles have not yet been subjected to the same scrutiny.  The standard that I consider relevant is the recommendation at Criteria for inclusion of biographies which recommends articles on the holders of national or statewide office.  It allows for exceptions but there is no evidence presented that this makes the cut. Rossami 21:43, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)


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Sukkur

Sukkur is a city in the Pakistani province of Sindh along the western bank of the Indus River, directly across from the historic city of Rohri. Sukkur is the third largest city in Sindh after Karachi and Hyderabad, and 14th largest city of Pakistan by population. The city was originally founded by the Rai dynasty of Sindh. The modern city was built in the 1840s. New Sukkur was established during the British era alongside the village of Sukkur. Sukkur's hill, along with the hill on the river island of Bukkur, form what is sometimes considered the "Gate of Sindh".

Etymology
The name Sukkur is derived from the Sindhi language word sakhar meaning 'superior'.

History
The region around Sukkur has been inhabited for millennia. The ruins of Lakhan-jo-daro, located near an industrial park on the outskirts of Sukkur, date from the Mature Harappan period of the Indus Valley Civilization, between 2600 BCE and 1900 BCE covers more than 300 Hectares of area and is touted to be second largest city of the Indus Valley Civilization just 75 Kilometers away from another major city of Indus Valley Civilization, Mohenjo Daro

"Old Sukkur" was initially a small village prior to the establishment of a military garrison in 1839. Sukkur was built on a low limestone ridge on the banks of the Indus River. The city was once surrounded by groves of date palms that were traditionally believed to have grown from the discarded date-pits from Arab invaders in the 8th century.

The village of Sukkur was directly across from the larger town of Rohri, which served as a busy port along the Indus by the 1200s, and was a major trading centre for agricultural produce. An 86 foot tall minaret was built at Sukkur's shrine of Mir Masum Shah in 1607.

British
Modern Sukkur, or New Sukkur, was built during British rule alongside what was once a small village directly across from the historic city of Rohri. The British established a military garrison here in 1839, which was abandoned in 1845, though Sukkur continued to grow in importance as a trading center. The Sukkur Municipality was constituted in 1862.

Completed in 1889, Sukkur's Lansdowne Bridge connects the Sukkur to Rohri across the Indus, and was one of the first bridges to cross the river. The bridge made the journey between Karachi and Multan easier. The bridge was built with two large pylons rather than a series of pillars extending across the river – a cutting-edge design for such an expansive span. The bridge was also made of metal, and features an unusual design.

Sukkur Barrage (formerly called Lloyd Barrage), built under the British Raj on the Indus River, controls one of the largest irrigation systems in the world. It was designed by Sir Arnold Musto KCIE, and constructed under the overall direction of Sir Charlton Harrison between 1923 and 1932. The 5001 ft long barrage is made of yellow stone and steel and can water nearly 10 million acres (40,000 km2) of farmland through its seven large canals.

On the eve of the Partition of British India in 1947, Sukkur's old town was home to about 10,000 residents, while New Sukkur was home to 80,000.

Modern
After the formation of Pakistan most of the city's Hindu population migrated to India, though like much of Sindh, Sukkur did not experience the widespread rioting that occurred in Punjab and Bengal. According to the 1941 census, about 70% of the population of Sukkur was Hindu, this number decreased to 2% by the 1951 census as a result of the partition. However, less than 500 Hindus were killed in all of Sindh between 1947 and 1948 as Sindhi Muslims largely resisted calls to turn against their Hindu neighbours. Hindus did not flee Sukkur en masse until riots erupted in Karachi on 6 January 1948, which sowed fear in Sindh's Hindus despite the fact that the riots were local and related to Sikh refugees from Punjab seeking refuge in Karachi. Muslim refugees from India settled in Sukkur.

The Sindh Industrial Trading Estate in Sukkur was established in 1950. The Ayub Bridge was built in 1962, and spans the Indus River alongside the British-era Landsdowne Bridge. The city suffered major flooding during the 2010 Pakistan floods which inundated large parts of the city.

Geography
The small Eocene limestone outcropping upon which Sukkur was founded is the most significant land deformation on the vast plains along the Indus Valley in Sindh and Punjab. The outcropping is part of the "Jacobabad-Khairpur High" and Rohri Hills. The outcropping, along with the similar outcropping on Bukkar Island are sometimes referred to as the "Sukkur Gorge," and has historically served as the traditional northern boundary of Sindh.

Climate
Sukkur has a hot desert climate (Köppen climate classification BWh), characterised by extremely hot and hazy summers with mild and foggy winters. Sukkur is known for its extremely hot summers, and was described as the hottest city in British India. Wind speed is low throughout the year, and sunshine is abundant. Summer temperatures regularly surpass 50 °C. Dry heat is experienced starting April to early June until the Monsoon season starts to arrive. Monsoons in Sukkur are not very wet, but bring high dew points, resulting in high heat indices. Monsoons recede by September, but it is not until late October that the short lived autumn season is experienced before the onset of the region's cool winters. The average annual rainfall of Sukkur is 159.6 mm and mainly occurs in the monsoon season. The highest annual rainfall ever is 698 mm, recorded in 2022 and the lowest annual rainfall ever is 0 mm in 1941.

Demography
Sukkur is the third largest city in Sindh after Karachi and Hyderabad. The population of Sukkur is 551,357 according to the 2017 Census of Pakistan. Around 70% of the population speaks Sindhi natively, while 20% of the population speaks Urdu natively. Roughly 96% of the city is Muslim, while the remaining 4% comprise other minorities, overwhelmingly Hindus.

Economy
Sukkur's economy is largely reliant upon the agricultural produce from northern Sindh's farms, and serves as a trading and processing center for agricultural goods. The city also once had a bustling shipbuilding industry.

Sukkur is well-connected to the rest of Pakistan by road and rail, which in turn has attracted new industries such as chemical manufacturing, metalworking, and cement manufacturing.

Agriculture
Sukkur had a large fertile and cultivable land area. During kharif, rice, bajra, cotton, tomatoes and peas are cultivated; whereas during rabi the main crops are wheat, barley, graham and melons. Sukkur is famous, world over, for its dates. Sukkur also has a large Riveraine forest along the course of the Indus. These tropical forests are found within the protective embankments on either side of the Indus. During 1997–98 the total area under forests was 510 km2 which yielded 55000 ft3 of timber and 27000 ft3 of firewood besides other mine products.

Road
The city is connected to Multan by M-5 motorway, with onwards motorway connections to Lahore, Islamabad, and Peshawar. Sukkur will also be connected to Hyderabad by the M-6 motorway, with onwards connections to Karachi via the M-9 motorway. The M-5 is ready whereas the M-6 is being built as part of the wider China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.

Rail
Sukkur railway station serves as the city's main rail station. Passenger services are provided exclusively by Pakistan Railways. The city's station is serviced by the Jaffar Express that runs between Rawalpindi and Quetta, the Sukkur Express that runs between Karachi and Jacobabad, and the Akbar Express that runs between Quetta and Peshawar.

Air
Sukkur Airport, located 8 km outside of the city, is served by Pakistan International Airlines, with direct flights to Karachi, Lahore, and Islamabad.

Administration
The city of Sukkur is the capital of Sukkur Division and Sukkur District. Sukkur District has four Tehsils (Talukas) and many Union Councils. Sukkur is home to one of three circuit benches of the Sindh High Court.

Education
The Sukkur IBA University (previously Sukkur Institute of Business Administration or Sukkur IBA) is a business school founded in 1994. The institute is ranked 3rd among the five independent business schools of Pakistan included in the Higher Education Commission Pakistan Business School Ranking 2013.

Begum Nusrat Bhutto Women University is the public sector University exclusively for women. Established on 50 Acre of land at the Rohri Bypass N-5 National Highway

The Ghulam Muhammad Mahar Medical College is a constituent College of Shaheed Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto Medical University.

The Aror University of Art, Architecture, Design and Heritages is established near Sukkur at Rohri bypass N-5 National Highway. The university is offering the graduate, postgraduate an advance studies in the field of architecture, textile design, photography, interior design, civil engineering, communication design, ceramics and other disciplines.

Islamia Science College Sukkur was founded by the Syed Hasan Mian Advocate and he remained the Chief Patron of the college till his death, Syed Hasan Mian advocate with the help of Noble families of Sukkur founded 25 Schools and Vocational centers in Sukkur. He was the General Sec of All India Muslim League and close associate of Founder of Pakistan Quaid e Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah.

Ziauddin University Sukkur Campus

Notable people

 * Mir Muhammad Masum Nami (d. 1606), born to Shaikh-ul-Islam of Bhakkar of that time. He authored Tarikh-i-Masumi (aka Tarikh-i-Sind), a book on history of the Sindh province from the start of Muhammad Bin Qasim's arrival in Sindh to the beginning of 17th century. Mufradat-i-Nami was book written on medicine by him. He wrote a Diwan of poetry and versified the translation of legend of Sassi Pannu.
 * Hemu Kalani, martyr
 * Sardar Ghulam Muhammad Khan Mahar
 * Syed Nasir Hussain Shah
 * Abdul Hafeez Pirzada
 * Syed Khurshid Shah, Leader of Opposition for National Assembly of Pakistan from June 2013 to May 2018
 * Islam Ud Din Shaikh, Member of Senate of Pakistan since March 2015
 * Nouman Islam Shaikh, Member National Assembly of Pakistan, NA-207 (Sukkur-II),	NA-198 (Sukkur-cum-Shikarpur-I)
 * Dr Sana Ramchand Gulwani, first female Hindu civil servant from Pakistan Administrative Service

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I'm interested in philosophy—especially German idealism—and social theory and free software, among other things. My username is a reference to Alexander Herzen, a 19th century Russian who found it only bearable to live in the West.

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Emergency exit

An emergency exit in a building or other structure is a special exit used during emergencies such as fires. The combined use of regular and emergency exits allows for faster evacuation, and emergency exits provide alternative means of evacuation if regular exits are inaccessible.

Emergency exits must:
 * Be clearly marked (usually with signage that is normally illuminated, or is illuminated by a backup power source if central power fails)
 * Be in easily-accessible locations
 * Direct people to safe areas (usually outside)
 * Be regularly maintained and free of obstructions (they may not be used for storage)
 * Be secured to prevent unauthorized entry during normal operations

An emergency exit's path usually ends in an outward-opening door with a crash bar with exit signs pointing to it. It is usually a door to an area outside of the building, but may also lead to an adjoining, fire-isolated structure with clear exits of its own.

A fire escape is a special kind of emergency exit consisting of stairs and/or extendable ladders mounted on the outside of a building.

Buildings
Local building codes or building regulations often dictate the number of fire exits required for a building of a given size, including the number of stairwells. For any buildings bigger than a private house, modern codes invariably specify at least two sets of stairs, completely isolated from each other so that if one becomes impassable due to smoke or flames, the other remains usable.

The traditional way to satisfy this requirement was to construct two separate stairwell stacks, each occupying its own footprint within each floorplan. Each stairwell is internally configured into an arrangement often called a "U-return" or "return" design. The two stairwells may be constructed next to each other, separated by a fireproof partition, or optionally the two stairwells may be located at some distance from each other within the floorplan. The traditional arrangement has the advantage of being easily understood by building occupants and occasional visitors.

Some architects save space while still meeting the exit requirement, by housing two stairwells in a "double helix" or "scissors stairs" configuration whereby two stairwells occupy the same floor footprint, but are intertwined while being separated by fireproof partitions along their entire run. However, this design deposits anybody descending the stack into alternating locations on each successive floor, and this can be very disorienting. Some building codes recommend using a color-coded stripe and signage to distinguish otherwise identical-looking stairwells from each other, and to make following a quick exit path easier.

In older buildings that predate modern fire codes, and which lack space for a second stairwell, having intertwining stairs so close to each other may not allow firefighters going up and evacuees going down to use separate stairways.

For example, Westfield Stratford City uses a scissors stairway configuration in its upper car park. This part of the building has eight storeys: LG, G, and 1 are part of the shopping centre; 2 has some offices and a storage area; CP1, CP2, CP3, and CP4 are a multi-storey car park. The floors are served by the main public lifts and escalators, and by 1 set of a double-helix stairway and lift per 1000 m2, going into the service areas. The main public escalators do not count as fire exits, as the doors may be locked during less busy periods. The building has one fire exit per 4000 m2 of floor space.

Knowing where the emergency exits are in buildings can save lives. Some buildings, such as schools, have fire drills to practice using emergency exits. Many disasters could have been prevented if people had known where fire escapes were and if emergency exits had not been blocked. For example, in the September 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center, some of the emergency exits inside the building were inaccessible, while others were locked. In the Stardust Disaster and the 2006 Moscow hospital fire, the emergency exits were locked and most windows barred shut. In the case of the Station Nightclub, the premises were over capacity the night fire broke out, the front exit was not designed well (right outside the door, the concrete approach split 90 degrees and a railing ran along the edge), and an emergency exit swung inward, not outward as code requires.

In many countries, it is required that all new commercial buildings include well-marked emergency exits. Some older buildings must be retrofitted with fire escapes. In countries where emergency exits are not standard, or the standards are not enforced, fires will often result in a much greater loss of life.

Signage
The UK Health and Safety (Safety Signs and Signals) Regulations 1996 define a fire safety sign as an illuminated sign or acoustic signal that provides information on escape routes and emergency exits. Well-designed emergency exit signs are necessary for emergency exits to be effective.

Fire escape signs usually display the word "EXIT" or the equivalent word in the local language with large, well-lit, green letters, or the green pictorial "running-man" symbol developed and adopted in Japan around 1980 and introduced in 2003 by ISO 7010. Pictorial green "running-man" sign is mandatory in Japan, European Union, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand and Canada, and increasingly becoming common elsewhere.

Some states in the United States currently require the exit signs to be colored red, despite the usage of color red in signage usually implies hazards, prohibited actions or stop, while the color green implies safe place/actions or to proceed. Older building code in Canada required red exit signs, but no new installation is allowed.

Emergency door release
An emergency door release call point (or a pull station in the United States) is used to disengage locking devices such as electromagnets, bolt locks, and electric locks while also ensuring positive security and failsafe operation.

Nightclubs, restaurants, and similar venues
Worldwide, there have been repeated mass casualties in nightclubs and related venues where large numbers of people may gather. A violent personal dispute, fire, terrorist attack, or other incident can cause a mass panic or stampede for the exits. If the exits are blocked, locked, hidden, or inadequate, large numbers of casualties and deaths can result. The 1942 Cocoanut Grove fire in Boston caused over 400 deaths from a flash fire in a blacked-out nightclub with only a single obvious exit through a revolving door. Building codes and life safety regulations were extensively reformed in the US in the following years, and influenced changes in many other countries as well.

However, mass casualty incidents still occur in the US and elsewhere in the world, due to inadequate enforcement of safety rules. For a list of some of the most notable incidents, see Template:Club fires.

Blocked exits
Firefighters have cited overzealous security guards who told people during a fire that they are not allowed to use emergency exits. The practice is actually quite common in the absence of fires, as well. Some skyscrapers have stairwells with standard emergency exit signs on each door, which then lock upon closing. Users of these stairwells can get trapped if they do not know that the only door that opens from the inside is the one on the ground floor.

A further problem becoming very common in the US is that retail stores at night close one of their main entrance/exits through makeshift heavy metal barriers, signage, paper notes, or junk placed in front of the exits. Some actually lock their exits. A large array of signage and mechanical exit systems have also been devised, including signage that says contradictorily, "This is not an exit", "Do not use this exit", or warning users that a heavy penalty will be assessed for non-emergency use.

Some systems do not allow the exit to be opened until the user signals the intention to exit (through a button or lever) for some amount of time, such as 20 seconds. It is also common for these exits to remain completely locked until somebody tests them.

Some have alarms activated when they are opened, to alert staff of unauthorized use during non-emergencies. On many exits, the user may have to push against a crash bar or other door opening device for a period of time to unlock the door. Many exits have a sign reading, "Emergency exit only, alarm will sound if opened", to warn of the fact that it is an emergency exit only.

Aircraft

In aircraft terms, an "exit" is any one of the main doors (entry doors on the port side of the aircraft and service doors on the starboard side) and an "emergency exit" is defined as an exit that is only ever used in an emergency (such as overwing exits and permanently-armed exits).

In the early years, the emergency exit was a hatch in the ceiling of the aircraft. Because in the 1928 KLM Fokker F.III Waalhaven crash the passengers didn't know the location of this emergency exit, one passenger couldn't escape in time and died. As a result, better visibility of the emergency exit inside the cabin was advised by the investigative committee.

Passengers seated in exit rows may be called upon to assist and open exits in the event of an emergency.

The number and type of exits on an aircraft is regulated through strict rules within the industry, and is based on whether the aircraft is single or twin-aisled; the maximum passenger load; and the maximum distance from a seat to an exit. The goal of these regulations is to make possible the evacuation of an airliner's designed maximum occupancy of passengers and crew within 90 seconds even if half of the available exits are blocked.

Any aircraft where the emergency exit door sill height is above that which would make unaided escape possible is fitted with an automatic inflatable evacuation slide, which allows occupants to slide to the ground safely.

† 9 passenger aircraft only

Ventral exits must allow the same rate of egress as a Type I exit, tailcone exit are aft of the fuselage. Aircraft for less than 19 passenger must have one sufficient exit in each side of the fuselage, two per side for more, no more than 60 feet apart from each other.

In November 2019, the EASA allowed "Type-A+" exits with a dual-lane evacuation slide to increase maximum accommodation increased to 480 seats up from 440 with four pairs of doors on the A350-1000, and up to 460 on the A330-900.

History
Following the events of the Victoria Hall disaster in Sunderland, England, in 1883 in which more than 180 children died because a door had been bolted at the bottom of a stairwell, the British government began legal moves to enforce minimum standards for building safety. This slowly led to the legal requirement that venues must have a minimum numbers of outward opening emergency exits as well as locks which could be opened from the inside.

These moves were not globally copied for some time. For example, in the United States, 146 factory workers died in the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire in 1911 when they were stopped by locked exits, and 492 people died in the Cocoanut Grove fire in a Boston nightclub in 1942. This led to regulations requiring that exits of large buildings open outward, and that enough emergency exits be provided to accommodate the building's capacity.

Similar disasters around the world also resulted in public fury and calls for changes to emergency regulations and enforcement. An investigation was launched by the Argentine federal government after 194 people were killed during the 2004 República Cromañón nightclub fire in Buenos Aires, Argentina. The emergency exits had been chained shut by the owners, to prevent people from sneaking into the nightclub without paying.

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Yahoo! Native

'''Yahoo! Native (formerly known as Yahoo! Advertising, Yahoo! Search Marketing and Yahoo! Gemini''') is a native "Pay per click" Internet advertising service provided by Yahoo.

Yahoo began offering this service after acquiring Overture Services, Inc. The current offering of Yahoo Native launched in 2014 as Yahoo! Gemini. It handles advertising for both Yahoo and AOL properties, as well as other media outlets.

GoTo and Overture
GoTo (not to be confused with Go.com or Go2Net) was an Idealab spin off and was the first company to successfully provide a pay-for-placement search service. It started off with the purchase of World Wide Web Worm (WWWW), one of the oldest search engines. GoTo is considered to have been an influential pioneer of paid search.

In February 1998, GoTo offered advertisers the option of bidding on how much they would be willing to pay to appear at the top of results in response to specific searches. The bid amount was paid by the advertiser to GoTo every time a searcher clicked on a link to the advertiser's website. By July 1998, advertisers were paying anything up to a dollar per click. In June 1999, GoTo launched a tool set direct traffic centre (dtc) to enable advertisers access to keywords and real time bidding.

GoTo's business model was based on the idea that its paid listings would make it more relevant than other services, especially for general searches, and web sites that pay more are probably better sites. A similar service had been offered by Open Text in 1996, but this precipitated outcries and bad publicity because searchers at the time did not want the search process more commercialized.

In contrast, GoTo's pay-for-placement model was very successful. Commenters theorized that the Internet had matured in the intervening two years, and this type of economic models were more acceptable since the web was no longer just a place for academic research, but also a place for buying products. GoTo founder Bill Gross speculated at the launch that GoTo would succeed because, as a relatively new service, it had no reputation to taint with paid listings, unlike Open Text.

On October 8, 2001, GoTo renamed itself Overture Services, Inc. GoTo's chief operating officer Jaynie Studenmund, mother of fallen U.S. soldier Scott Studenmund, said, "We also felt it was a sophisticated enough name, in case our products expand."

Through partnerships, Overture enabled portals such as MSN and Yahoo to monetize the hundreds of millions of web searches made each day on their sites. Indeed, these partnerships proved highly lucrative, and in a period otherwise marked by dot-com failures, Overture became a substantial profit driver for portals like Yahoo

This success enabled Overture to acquire web sites such as AltaVista and AlltheWeb.

Acquisition of Overture by Yahoo!
On October 7, 2003, Overture was acquired by its biggest customer, Yahoo!, for $1.63 billion. The old brand name of Overture was phased out as Yahoo rebranded many of its products under the Yahoo name. The exception to this was in Japan and Korea where the local businesses continued to use the Overture brand.

Panama
Panama was an online advertising platform created by Yahoo!, launched on 5 February 2007. Panama was Yahoo's effort to close the wide gap with Google in the race for search advertising dollars, a fast-growing business then dominated by Google, which is now also dominated by Google. Customers with accounts already on Yahoo! were transferred to the new system over the following few months. Yahoo! inherited the search advertising business when it purchased Overture (previously named Goto.com). Until Panama, Yahoo! search continued to operate the original simplistic algorithm which ranked text ads according to how much advertisers bid for the keyword searched by the user. Meanwhile, Google operates under a more sophisticated model, which ranks paid ads on the basis of bid price as well as prior click-through rates. This improvement generally produces higher click through rates (hence higher revenues) for the search engine. This also allowed Yahoo to control the pricing of ad auctions rather than having the auctions operate at market value.

For example, an ambulance-chasing attorney bidding for the keywords "back pain" would likely get a lower clickthrough rate than the keyword "physiotherapist", regardless of what the two parties bid per click. An algorithm that eventually de-prioritizes the attorney's ad is better for the search engine (in terms of revenue produced) and the user (more relevant ads).

Key players in the Panama project were Brian Acton, David Henke & Qi Lu.

Features
The platform provided advertisers with a digital dashboard where they can manage their marketing campaigns, aim ads geographically, and test their effectiveness. It included interactive tools that suggest to advertisers what to bid based on their budget and the number of users they want to attract.

Yahoo Gemini
During the tenure of Marissa Mayer as Yahoo's CEO she started a new advertising platform project under the name Gemini. The goal was to build a native advertising solution, where the ads take on the format of the content they accompany.

The so-called "quality index" gave advertisers a sense of how the system would rank an ad along with sophisticated analytical tools that gave advertisers insights on why certain campaigns had been effective.

Patent litigation
In May 1999, GoTo filed a patent application titled "System and method for influencing a position on a search result list generated by a computer network search engine", which was granted as in July 2001. A related patent has also been granted in Australia and other patent applications remain pending.

Prior to its acquisition by Yahoo, Overture initiated infringement proceedings under this patent against FindWhat.com in January 2002 and Google in April 2002.

The lawsuit against Google related to its AdWords service. In February 2002, Google introduced a service called AdWords Select that allowed marketers to bid for higher placement in marked sections - a tactic that had some similarities to Overture's search-listing auctions.

Following Yahoo's acquisition of Overture, the lawsuit was settled with Google agreeing to issue 2.7 million shares of common stock to Yahoo in exchange for a perpetual license.

Trademark issues
In 2013, the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals held in Lens.com, Inc. v. 1-800 Contacts, Inc. that online contact lens seller Lens.com did not commit trademark infringement when it purchased Yahoo and Google AdWords search advertisements using competitor 1-800 Contacts' federally registered 1800 CONTACTS trademark as a keyword. In August 2016, the Federal Trade Commission filed an administrative complaint against 1-800 Contacts alleging, among other things, that its search advertising trademark enforcement practices have unreasonably restrained competition in violation of the FTC Act. 1-800 Contacts has denied all wrongdoing and was scheduled to appear before an FTC administrative law judge in April 2017.

Adware partnership
In April 2003, Overture announced a three-year partnership with Gator Corporation, (now Claria Corporation) an adware company. Under the partnership, Gator's software monitored a web-user's activity on web sites and search engines (even sites such as Google that are not affiliated with Overture) and grabbed search keywords. These keywords were submitted to the Overture search engine. As a result, advertisers who paid for listings in Overture found their products advertised through Gator's Search Scout software, even if they wanted nothing to do with Gator. Overture faced a great deal of criticism for entering into this partnership.

When Yahoo acquired Overture, the Claria software impaired the operation of Yahoo's services. For example, when a user with a Claria application installed used Yahoo Search, they received a standard set of Yahoo results with sponsored listings at the top supplied by Overture. The user would then receive a full-screen pop-under window from Search Scout. Since Search Scout uses Overture's paid listings as well, Claria's window has exactly the same listings as the Yahoo search results.

Subsequently, Yahoo came out with the Yahoo Toolbar, which allows users to remove adware and spyware from their system. The toolbar affected the operation of Claria's software and may have put stress on the relationship between the two companies.

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Logical schema

A logical data model or logical schema is a data model of a specific problem domain expressed independently of a particular database management product or storage technology (physical data model) but in terms of data structures such as relational tables and columns, object-oriented classes, or XML tags. This is as opposed to a conceptual data model, which describes the semantics of an organization without reference to technology.

Overview
Logical data models represent the abstract structure of a domain of information. They are often diagrammatic in nature and are most typically used in business processes that seek to capture things of importance to an organization and how they relate to one another. Once validated and approved, the logical data model can become the basis of a physical data model and form the design of a database.

Logical data models should be based on the structures identified in a preceding conceptual data model, since this describes the semantics of the information context, which the logical model should also reflect. Even so, since the logical data model anticipates implementation on a specific computing system, the content of the logical data model is adjusted to achieve certain efficiencies.

The term 'Logical Data Model' is sometimes used as a synonym of 'domain model' or as an alternative to the domain model. While the two concepts are closely related, and have overlapping goals, a domain model is more focused on capturing the concepts in the problem domain rather than the structure of the data associated with that domain.

History

When ANSI first laid out the idea of a logical schema in 1975, the choices were hierarchical and network. The relational model – where data is described in terms of tables and columns – had just been recognized as a data organization theory but no software existed to support that approach. Since that time, an object-oriented approach to data modelling – where data is described in terms of classes, attributes, and associations – has also been introduced.

Reasons for building a logical data structure

 * Helps common understanding of business data elements and requirement
 * Provides foundation for designing a database
 * Facilitates avoidance of data redundancy and thus prevent data and business transaction inconsistency
 * Facilitates data re-use and sharing
 * Decreases development and maintenance time and cost
 * Confirms a logical process model and helps impact analysis.

Conceptual, logical and physical data model
A logical data model is sometimes incorrectly called a physical data model, which is not what the ANSI people had in mind. The physical design of a database involves deep use of particular database management technology. For example, a table/column design could be implemented on a collection of computers, located in different parts of the world. That is the domain of the physical model.

Conceptual, logical and physical data models are very different in their objectives, goals and content. Key differences noted below.

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Hi, I'm Chris Phoenix. I'm the co-founder and Director of Research of the Center for Responsible Nanotechnology (not currently active).

I recently completed the design and fabrication work for the NOIT product to help nonverbal autistic people.

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