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User talk:TimMony

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Wack MC

 * Hey Tim, you're putting in a good deal of effort into your own article, you may as well vote to keep it. Every vote counts.   Good luck! :)  —[[en:RaD Man|RaD Man (talk)]] 05:38, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Yeah, its wierd. Something tells me that it is encyclopedic but at the same time I can't honestly defend that argument. I'm waiting to be convenced by myself or somebody else as to whether or not it is legitimate. TimMony 05:43, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Images
Don't spam my talk page, don't illegally release my photographs into the public domain, and don't remove the CC licenses from my photos. Keep it up and I'll pursue legal action. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 01:46, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * I made a mistake. Sorry. TimMony

 * Well, everyone makes mistakes. I'll share with you why I was so angry. First, regarding the spam on my talk page... there was a message two above yours that was informing me about the image tagging project. That, and the fact that I had tagged all the images I had uploaded to the 'pedia seemed to me to be an indication that I was aware of the project. Plus, I hate spam messages on my talk page, as evidenced by my recent removal of campaigning spam regarding the ArbCom election.

 * Secondly, the CC license. It's not that you should have gotten permission, as much as you should have checked with someone who knew better. As you're new to the Wikipedia, I understand your desire to "be bold with editing". It's just that with copyright issues, it's not quite the same situation. There are deeper consequences to image licensing "errors" than errors in plain ol' Wikipedia articles. This leads me to...

 * Point three: by "releasing" my image in the public domain even for a brief time, you've potentially caused me a large problem. Even though you weren't ABLE to release them (because you didn't have copyright), the fact is that the Wikipedia briefly STATED that they were public domain. Given that Wikipedia is much mirrored, there could be many copies of the image around the web now that may or may not retain that erroneous tag of PD. Now, if someone goes and says, "Hey, this is a PD image, that's great, I'll use it" we have a problem. I'd have to go defend my copyright (that's if I was even aware of the misuse). Now, I'll grant that this is immensely unlikely, but the point is, that it's a very real danger when mucking about with image licensing.

 * The reason I got so upset and threatened legal action (not to sue you, per se) was that I could understand one mistake, or even two, but the three "provocative" "mistakes" one right after another seemed to me to be the actions of a troll (especially given your limited edit history and my history with attracting trolls because of my stance on certain issues on the 'pedia). Now, as you've apologized and explained it was an honest mistake, I'm certainly willing to accept your apology and explanation. No hard feelings. Now, don't be scared away from contributing to the articles, or the image tagging project, just please be a bit more careful about adding/removing tags, especially about tagging any images of unknown origin with PD. Cheers. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:19, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * Point taken. Thanks for helping me understand the problem better. This has been a learning experience. TimMony 22:42, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Return of the Untagged Image project
You were kind enough to contribute to the Untagged images project; I beg to draw your attention to part 2 of the project - there are about 12,000 more images in need of tagging. Any assistance you could provide would be most welcome. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk)

You can set Special:Recentchanges to show only anon edits, and that way you can see all anon edits as they appear (and generally a good proportion are vandalism), and as an admin I have a rollback button which enables me to revert vandalism a little quicker than usual. Everyking 1 July 2005 04:42 (UTC)

Punk ideology
Nice work on the punk ideology. i really enjoyed it and how you set it up. maybe it should be a featured article soon. Jobe6 July 3, 2005 03:02 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:MrLifAndATree.jpeg
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ArbCom elections are now open!
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Trade center listed at Redirects for discussion
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Wikipedia:WikiProject Environment
As a fellow Wikipedian environmentalist I would like to welcome you to help with the WikiProject Environment. Alan Liefting (talk). 09:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Censorship
A revised version of the proposed policy against censorship is now open for voting. Will you kindly review the policy and make your opinions known? Thank you very much. Loom91 11:32, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

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According to The German solution, here’s a a tip for you: (in lieu of the blanked template:User Public Transit). -- Olve 21:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC) (corr. Olve 22:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC))

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Ice Hockey Project discussion of hockey player notability and project scope
Please come join the WikiProject Ice Hockey Notability standards for hockey players discussion. I'd like to see input from all our project members who have an opinion. Thanks! ColtsScore 03:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:Suguri F

Welcome to the Wikipedia
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Japanese mythology project
Hi, Suguri F! I see that you have the Japanese mythology project listed as one of your interests. Why not join the project officially? Just sign your name to the list of participants. We could really use some Japanese speakers to help us! See you around, — BrianSmithson 15:45, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

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James Taylor and the Original Flying Machine

James Taylor and the Original Flying Machine is an archival release of 1966 recordings of American singer-songwriter James Taylor's band The Flying Machine (not to be confused with The Flying Machine of "Smile a Little Smile for Me" fame from 1969), first released in February 1971.

History
The songs on the album were recorded with Taylor's band The Flying Machine in a late 1966 three-hour session in New York City's Select Sound Studios. They were produced by Chip Taylor, who had been involved in some recent pop hits, and Al Gorgoni, who also added harpsichord to the band's sound. The group felt the resulting tracks were of only demo quality. After "Night Owl" (b/w "Brighten Your Night with My Day") was released as an unsuccessful single by Jay Gee Records, a subsidiary of Jubilee Records, no work towards an album release went forward.

Taylor subsequently signed with Apple Records, failed commercially again, but then became a huge success with Warner Bros. Records on Sweet Baby James in 1970 and Mud Slide Slim and the Blue Horizon in 1971. Euphoria Records then released the sessions using the name "The Original Flying Machine", to distinguish the group from the UK outfit The Flying Machine who had emerged in 1969 with the hit song "Smile a Little Smile for Me". The released album had modest success capitalizing on Taylor's fame, reaching #74 on the U.S. pop albums chart. Flying Machine member Danny Kortchmar was not pleased, saying "The people involved wouldn't spring for the money for a whole album of James' songs [in 1967]. So it seemed terrible years later when the same people put out the Flying Machine album of those few sessions."

The sessions were re-released by Gadfly Records, with additional short intros and two remixes, in 1996.

Track listing
All songs by James Taylor except where noted.

 * 1) "Night Owl" 2:29
 * 2) "Brighten Your Night With My Day" 2:45
 * 3) "Kootch's Song" (Danny Kortchmar) 3:13
 * 4) "Knocking 'Round the Zoo" (Danny Kortchmar Lead Vocal) 2:59
 * 5) "Rainy Day Man" (James Taylor, Zach Wiesner) 3:16
 * 6) "Knocking 'Round the Zoo" (James Taylor Lead Vocal) 3:10
 * 7) "Something's Wrong" (Instrumental Version) 3:07

 * 1996 Re-issue
 * 1) "Rainy Day Man" (James Taylor, Zach Wiesner) 3:16
 * 2) "Knocking 'Round the Zoo" (Intro) 0:53
 * 3) "Knocking 'Round the Zoo" (James Taylor Lead Vocal) 3:10
 * 4) "Something's Wrong" (Backing Track) 3:07
 * 5) "Night Owl" 2:29
 * 6) "Brighten Your Night With My Day" (Intro) 1:01
 * 7) "Brighten Your Night With My Day" 2:45
 * 8) "Kootch's Song" (Danny Kortchmar) 3:13
 * 9) "Knocking 'Round the Zoo" (Danny Kortchmar Lead Vocal) 2:59
 * 10) "Night Owl" (Remixed version)
 * 11) "Knocking 'Round the Zoo" (Remixed version)

Personnel

 * The Flying Machine
 * James Taylor — guitar, vocals
 * Danny Kortchmar — guitar, vocals
 * Zachary Wiesner — bass
 * Joel O'Brien — drums
 * Additional recording musician
 * Al Gorgoni — harpsichord
 * Production
 * Engineers: Wally Sheffey, Eddie Youngblood

Charts
Album


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Dacia (disambiguation)

Dacia is a historic region in southeastern Europe.

Dacia may also refer to:

Places

 * Roman Dacia, an ancient Roman imperial province
 * Diocese of Dacia, a diocese of the later Roman Empire
 * Dacia (Denmark), a medieval Latin name for Denmark or the Nordic region in general
 * Dacia, Bălți, Moldova
 * Dacia, Doba, Satu Mare, Romania
 * Dacia, Brașov, Romania
 * Dacia, Nicșeni, Romania

Literature

 * Dacia (journal), a Romanian academic journal of archaeology
 * Dacia (Pârvan), a Romanian history book
 * Editura Dacia, a Romanian publisher

People

 * Dacia Arcaráz (born 1967), Mexican actress
 * Dacia Grayber (fl. from 2020), American firefighter and politician
 * Dacia Maraini (born 1936), Italian writer
 * Dacia Valent (1963–2015), Somali-born Italian politician and Member of the European Parliament

Sport

 * FC Dacia Chișinău, or simply Dacia, a former Moldovan football team
 * Orășenesc Stadium (Mioveni), formerly Dacia Stadium, in Romania
 * Stadionul Dacia (Orăștie), a football stadium in Romania

Other uses

 * Automobile Dacia, commonly known as Dacia, a Romanian car manufacturer
 * Dacia Hotel, in Satu Mare, Romania

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Corsets by oval chest
Unclear entry, no real historic connections, just wanting to show off some patent pictures, maybe. Confusing text too. And confusing title too, what is oval chest really?

 * Delete. I put this page up on VFD when it was called Health corset, then Haabet went and moved it. The content of the article is, essentially, nonsense; the corset known as the 'perfect health corset' was one style produced by one manufacturer and from what I can tell from the picture, it's as good as identical to the hourglass corset. Anyway, this has all already been debated on the talk page. - Katherine Shaw 08:24, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * Eek, delete! RickK 19:51, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Yet another version of those same pictures serving the private, um, concerns of someone who is very, it seems, interested in Victorian corsets and breasts. Geogre 13:59, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Apparently a copied section from another article. Does not make sense without context. Delete unless rewritten (and shown notability). - Mike Rosoft 20:52, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)


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Talk:2004 Australian federal election/Archive 1

Timing
If the 3-year term is dated from the first sitting after the previous election, which was in March 2002, why then can the next election be delayed until as late as April 2005? Where does the extra month come from? Can anybody explain this? JackofOz 13:03, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The answer appears to be as follows:

Section 28 of the Constitution says: "Every House of Representatives shall continue for three years from the first sitting of the House."

Section 32 of the Constitution says: "The writs shall be issued within ten days from the expiry of a House of Representatives or from the proclamation of a dissolution thereof."

Section 156 (1) of the Electoral Act says: "the date fixed for the nomination of the candidates shall not be less than 10 days nor more than 27 days after the date of the writ."

Section 157 of the Electoral Act says: "The date fixed for the polling shall not be less than 23 days nor more than 31 days after the date of nomination."

This parliament first met on 12 February 2002. Therefore it expires on 12 February 2005. The writs must therefore be issued by 22 February. The last date on which nominations can close is therefore 11 March. The last Saturday on which polling can take place is therefore 9 April.

This should probably be incorporated into the article.

Adam 13:36, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Adam, thanks muchly for that very interesting information. However something is not right with the dates you've shown compared with the provisions you've cited. If the parliament first met on 12 Feb 2002, three years later is 12 Feb 2005. Ten days after the expiration is 22 Feb 2005. This gives us the latest possible date of the writ. So far, so good. The nomination date can be as much as 27 days after that, which is 21 March. The poll can be as much as 31 days after that, which 21 April. But that day is a Thursday, so the latest possible Saturday would be 16th April, not 9th April. Is my maths up the pole? In the words of a former celebrity, "Please explain". Cheers JackofOz 02:03, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

You are right. I miscounted the 27 days from 22 Feb. The last date on which the election can be held is 16 April. Adam

Leaders
Just as regards Bob Brown, I think there's probably a bit of a definitional issue as to what precisely constitutes the "Australian left". I'm perfectly aware that a great many people would not eg. describe Latham as left-wing. But then again, there probably are many who would.

I think I remember reading on the Bob Brown entry itself that he was described as the leader of the "anti-American left" or something like that. Now while I don't think that's great phraseology, I think it expresses that there's a particular segment of the left among which he is undeniably the most prominent member (where previously it might have been Kernot or Stott-Despoja).

I don't know what to do. I think it'd be legitimate to describe him as the most prominent figure in the anti-war movement, but I think that that is probably too narrow a description of his general appeal. Lacrimosus 00:36, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Don't you have a better picture of Bartlett? He's been grey since Adam was a boy. Are you, perchance, a Democrat supporter? :-p Lankiveil 04:34, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)

That is his official photo from the Parliamentary website. Adam 05:45, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

NPOV
Evolver of Borg, please buy yourself a hat. If the Meg Lees Party ... er ... I mean Australian Progressive Alliance ... wins a seat, post it to me and I'll eat the thing. Seriously, they have no chance. Tannin 08:05, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I'd be extemely surprised if Lees gets 5% of the vote, and her other candidates will hardly trouble the scorer. But neither my opinion nor Borg's opinion about these matters belongs in this article. Adam 08:12, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Tables Mark I
I added tables (more or less directly imported from the Candian election page) to liven up the ASCII and make the data more readable. I'm not an Australian, so there may be nuances in the old version that I failed to transfer (e.g., the position of the National Party to indicate a coalition?); screw with it as much as you want. Jxg 22:06, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I can't tell you how hideous I think these multicoloured tables are. The colours are far too strong, they make the text hard to read and they contribute no information. I hate them at the Candian election page, but since I have done no work on that page I didn't feel I had any right to delete them from there. But since I have largely created this page I feel more entitled to resist their inclusion. When the election actually happens we can decide what kind of table format we want. In the meantime I am deleting them. Adam 04:27, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Fair enough. Jxg 18:22, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Miscellaneous
Thanks David - i didnt even realise i'd hit rollback - im getting used to a new mouse and keyboard. PMA 12:50, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Is it worth adding a event tag or not, do we think? Lacrimosus 12:16, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Use of tables
I didn't change the seat listing to tables this time, but I think we need to make a decision on what form the listing should take. Fixed-text or tables? I would tend to side with tables, but only if we can integrate more information into them. - Aaron Hill 01:24, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * I agree that these ones look pretty bad.  The ones here  are a lot better, but could do with some borders (a thin line) and maybe left-aligning the header row.  The "tables" as they exist now look like they are a workaround from before wikipedia had any decent table support. -- Chuq 03:11, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Those tables do look good, though maybe the background colours could be less dominant and changed to be more suitable to the parties (consistent with the ABC News colours maybe?)... a column for party logos perhaps as well? I think Adam Carr is strongly against tables and I'd like to hear from him before taking any action, especially as he is reverting any attempt to convert to tables (and considering the current state of the tables proposed, quite correctly). I also think that the tables should have a row combining the totals of the Liberal and National Parties (ala this revision) because it is the easiest way to quickly compare the total of the Coalition majority with the number of ALP seats. - Aaron Hill 03:31, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I am not opposed to tables per se. I am opposed to these ugly pseudo-tables which Aaron has been trying to install. I also dislike the obtrusive multi-coloured tables at Canadian federal election, 2004. My choice is the type of tables at Spanish legislative election, 2004, which are both functional and aesthetic. Adam 03:59, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Woah, calm down, I haven't tried to install anything since you reverted my first and final (thus far) attempt at formulating tables and in retrospect I agree that the fixed text format is the better format at the moment, as I stated in my previous comment. I do agree with you about the Spanish election tables, they are quite good and I prefer the lack of colour, however we need to consider how they could be adapted to Australia's electoral system, especially the two party preferred aspect. I think that the fixed text format should be maintained for the historical seat listings. I'm going to play around with the Spanish tables and try to bring about a positive change, I'll post it here before acting of course. - Aaron Hill 07:32, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I suggest that we decide on which form to display the results soon. Results will be released in just over a week. Xtra 07:43, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I've updated the format of two existing tables. I've left one table for now so you can decide whether it is an improvement. If you have any better ideas, you can take it further, but I think the new format is at least an improvement on the fixed-width alternative. m.e. 12:22, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC) I later reformatted the Senate table the same, and also my suggestion at the end of Aaron Hill's tables. m.e. 09:48, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Aaronhill's proposed tables
Subpage: Talk:Australian legislative election, 2004/Aaronhill's proposed tables

I've added an alternative to the same page. It relies on blank space to format the table. m.e. 09:12, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Senate there. - Aaron Hill 03:25, Oct 2, 2004 (UTC)

Comments
A Senate table is in the works as well. - Aaron Hill 08:39, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

'Pendulum' images such as the one to the right (from the Spanish page) would be good too - again, if they can be done without looking out of place. -- Chuq 13:36, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

See link in External Links" to the Mackerras Pendulum (per Malcolm Mackerras) that I'd be happy to ask him to have reflected here (see Talk:Malcolm Mackerras) Peter Ellis 02:17, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC) I have since obtained his approval to use his Pendulum data (email: Wed 15SEP04 12:52), and have added the section "Predictions". I also asked whether there is a graphical version of this. Peter Ellis 03:28, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Bob Brown is not "leader"
The Australian Greens don't have a formal leadership. Not sure what you could call him, though... I'm consulting with Party people.

Shermozle

 * This is correct, Adam has mentioned this in the body of the article - I've edited Bob Brown's caption to match -- Chuq 23:30, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Why "legislative?"
The election is not just for the legislature (as say is a US Congressional election) but for the executive - ie the actual government of Australia. Can't we have a better title for the page? Thortful 22:26, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * As I understand it, they are not directly choosing the executive. Granted, the executive is responsible to the legislature and in practice is a subset of it, but constitutionally, they are separate entities.  The people of Australia are voting for the legislature, whose composition will determine the executive. David Cannon 22:49, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia follows the usual convention of classifying elections either as presidential or legislative, although some Users (mainly British) insist on "general elections." The Australian election is clearly a legislative election. The executive in Australia is, strictly speaking, the Crown, although in practice the Crown always acts on the advice of the Cabinet. Adam 00:06, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The Canadians decided on federal. See: Canadian federal election, 2004. Legislative makes sense, if there would be any change at all, it would be to federal as that is what is most commonly used in Australia to refer to the current election. - Aaron Hill 00:34, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)

I agree that most Australians refer to the "federal elections" as distinct from state elections. But when I created this article I followed the standard Wikipedia convention. This article is of interest to people other than Australians. Adam 06:15, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

alternate names

 * Federal E.
 * National E.
 * Commonwealth E.
 * as distinct from state Elections.

 * Parliamentary Elections.
 * Legislative Elections.
 * General Elections.

The gay vote
"this issue is gaining traction for the Greens in electorates with large gay and lesbian populations, such as Sydney, Grayndler and Melbourne".

This seems an obtuse statement to me: does this mean there are less gay people in Brisbane and Perth? Just because they hold the Mardis Gras in Sydney doesn't mean, I would say, all the gay people in Australia have moved to live there. Wouldn't the 'gay vote' be roughly the same across Australia, definitely urban areas? Feel free to shoot me down if I'm wrong, that's why I didn't edit the article :D

 * Davedx 05:10, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Well, if you think about it, there are larger gay communities in Sydney and Melbourne than in other areas because they're Australia's biggest cities. And since the electorates within those cities are both more numerous and smaller than elsewhere (say, Brisbane), the gay community within a small electorate will have more clout than one within a larger, more diluted electorate that covers a wider geographic area. There tend to be more gay voters within inner city suburbs than outer suburbs - in some areas, there are what are referred to as gay villages. And Sydney in comparative terms does have quite a sizable gay population; I've heard it referred to as the city with the second largest gay population in the world (outside of San Fransisco). I have no idea if that's true, but at any rate, even if its size isn't so great, its organisation and community linkage are considerable, meaning that gay issues have comparatively wide prominence and influence over votes. At least, so is my understanding, anyway. Lacrimosus 05:30, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I think it is generally agreed that if there is an indentifiable gay and lesbian vote (note correct usage) in Australia it is concentrated in inner-city areas, that is in the seats of Sydney, Wentworth and Grayndler (NSW), Melbourne, Melbourne Ports and Batman (Vic), Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. Most of these are safe Labor seats so the g&l vote doesn't have much influence, but Ports, Brisbane and Adelaide it may do. The Dems are running a gay candidate in Ports, and the Libs are running a lesbian in Brisbane (which takes some gall after their marriage bill stunt). The Greens will be looking for g&l votes in Sydney and Melbourne, which they have hopes of winning. Adam 06:15, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Greens Preferences
Just wondering why the Greens are preferencing Pauline Hanson before Family First and One Nation in Queensland? Why hasn't this been mentioned? I am sure I have heard Bob Brown call Hanson Many unpleasant things over a period of time. Are they be preferencing her over Family First because they prefer her policies, or some other reason? X

This whole preference thing gets rather silly at times. You can't put all the nasty candidates last, and it makes no practical difference whether you preference someone last or second last. In Queensland it is probably a fair call that Hanson, running as an independent, is not quite as odious as One Nation or the FFP or the CEC. But none of this really matters much. Adam 02:12, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Like Adam said, it makes no difference. Yes, Pauline Hanson's group are ahead of some others in the Green preferences, but they're still preference #40 and #41 out of 50 candidates, behind all of the major parties - only Family First, One Nation, Citizen's Electoral Council and the New Country Party are lower than Hanson. —Stormie 02:59, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)

Lib/Nat joint/separate Senate tickets
Since I've seen a bit of back and forth as to whether the Liberal and National parties have joint or separate Senate tickets in Queensland - Adam Carr is right, they are definitely separate. The Liberal Party have 4 candidates in Group C, the National Party have 3 candidates in Group M - see. For other candidature questions, see for the list of lists. All the Senate preference allocations are there, too, if you're interested. —Stormie 02:52, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)

I have put up something that will clarify this for those that dont know for all states in the main page. Xtra

Now that both Howard and Latham have given their policy speeches someone should write a section setting out their main policy commitments. I can't do it because I'm too partisan. Adam 05:13, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Senate holdowver seats.
The numbers in the Senate do not make sense without knowing the numbers of short-term and long-term (holdover) seats. A start has been made to enlarge the table.

Re: Aaronhill's result tables for Senate.
When Aaronhill does a result table for the Senate, can he include two extra columns, one at the beginning for the number of long term (holdover) Senators whose term expire at 30 Jun 2008, and another at the end for the total number of senators.

 * Done. I still cringe when I look at my tables, but they'll do the job. - Aaron Hill 03:26, Oct 2, 2004 (UTC)

 * The Senate results table with the holdover seats looks very good. Thank you for the effort.

211.30.76.7 07:32, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Result Tables
I guess its now time to vote on the tables as seen on: Talk:Australian legislative election, 2004/Aaronhill's proposed tables. Alternatives are still welcome of course. Voting ends on Friday, October 8 at 6:00 PM AEST (8:00 AM, October 8 in UTC). Voting is first past the post (ie. choose only one option).

It seems to be Aaron Hill ... m.e. 09:10, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Aaronhill's tables

 * 1) Aaron Hill 09:20, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) but can't use the quota box in the senate as different for each state Xtra 11:04, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 3) Whoops! That was from when I was playing around with doing a different formatt... Fixed now - Aaron Hill 12:36, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * 4) Aaron's tables are nicely structured. Adam 13:14, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 5) Ambi 09:07, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

M.e.'s tables

 * 1) I suppose I should support my own tables (as reformatted). They are structured the same as Aaron's, but I think they are easier to read. m.e. 09:51, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Comments

 * Family First was added to the table - Aaron Hill 08:43, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)

Senate

 * Anyone know whats the predictions for the Senate? PMA 12:30, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Coalition will win exactly half the senate, Greens +1, possibly hanson or another independant or another green, possibly family first in vic or sa, democrats lost all seats up for re-election, labor with the rest Xtra 14:25, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Neither Pauline Hanson nor the One Nation candidates will be winning in QLD. From what I've seen, Family First will not be winning in SA.

Greens and Family First
This article's tone seems very "nice" to Family First, and very downplaying toward the Greens. The Greens are now the third largest party in Australia, yet they are described in a paragraph which begins with "minor parties generally polled poorly." In that same "minor parties polled poorly" paragraph, Family First is mentioned as polling "better," despite having a swing comparable to the Greens (and a primary vote nowhere near the Greens).

The Senate seat Family First may have won was the result of very unusual preference deals in Victoria, yet it is mentioned twice, in very redundant tone: "may have a working majority with the support of the conservative Family First Party, which may win a Senate seat," followed soon by "The Family First Party did better, possibly winning a Senate seat." This strikes me very much as "playing up" Family First. One (yet to be confirmed via preferences) Senate seat does not warrant so many mentions; or at least, not while the Greens are so downplayed.

It's also worth noting, I'd imagine, that this election seems to mark the "death" of One Nation. One Nation experienced a negative swing near-exactly equal to the positive swing recieved by the Coalition. On the same "One Nation doing badly" note, Pauline Hanson's bid for Senate made no impact on the election whatsoever. The Democrats were also wiped out, but this is already mentioned in the article.

I'm willing to discuss edits before I make them.

 * The reason why the tone is "nice" to Family First is probably because of excessive self-checking of the main editors' biases (which if I am correct, are mostly Labor/Green). I include myself in this. I'm going to go back and fix it up a fair bit but this is not an issue that many people here would advocate on the side of the far right. - Aaron Hill 04:23, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)

Noted; I wouldn't know the authors' backgrounds, that's appreciated. This is also the first Wikipedia article I've ever considered contributing to that is long enough to warrant checking with the discussion page before making edits. Is there any special "discussion page protocol" I should know about?

 * Only the indentation that you can see, starting new headings for new topics and putting ~ at the end of your comments.
 * There's probably a page that I should point you to, but I'm not sure I've read it myself.
 * Mark Hurd 08:05, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Found that page, thanks Mark. Shem 08:17, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I agree with Aaron to some exent. The editing reflects both editors (including me) taking great care not to be nasty about Family First, and the fact that although the Greens improved their position, they did not live up to expectations before the election. They may in fact only gain one Senate seat, they lost Cunningham, and they fell well short in Sydney and Melbourne. Family First, on the other hand, exceeded expectations, coming from nowhere to snatch a Senate seat (I am told by experts that this is nearly certain, thanks to the Democrats' rotten preference deal.) Once the dust has settled we can write a more balanced text. Adam 05:32, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Understood. I suppose I tend to shy from placing tone in an article based upon "expectations."  The media here (QLD), for example, is already painting Family First as "surging" (despite lackluster primary votes and only one seat gained by a rubbish preference deal); all I hear of the Greens in the news is that "they didn't do as well as expected" (despite that they are now easily the third-largest party in Australia).  I prefer to write based upon the numbers, and usually avoid trend-guessing unless it's clearly reflected (as with the One-Nation-to-Liberal effect, and the Democrats dive).  When votes are all counted, preferences shifted, I'll come back around.  Thanks for the clarification and help (both of you).

 * The Greens performed very well in this election in terms of primary votes in the House of Representatives, sometimes with 10% of the vote. From what I could see on my quick perusal of the AEC online tally room, it looked like their increased primary vote came mainly from former Labor supporters, while the Coalition absorbed the deflating One Nation and Democrats support base. Unusual, when you think the Democrats are closer in policy to Labor than Liberal. Either way, the Family First party do deserve a mention because they were virtually unknown to the people in the lead-up to the election. - Mark 07:32, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

In no way was I suggesting that Family First did not deserve mention. Just working to avoid a presentation of "Family First did well, and the Greens didn't do as well as expected." Both statements are true if standing alone (Family First did do well to perhaps gain a Senate seat in their debut, regardless of preference circumstances; the Greens did not reach the solid 10% they had hoped for), but paint a rhetorical picture which is not present. I do lean toward Labor-Democrats-Greens in the Australian scene, I won't pretend otherwise, but I'd like to think that my concerns about the post-result presentation (based upon media coverage here in QLD, again) aren't a matter of editorial bias.

If Family First does indeed gain that Victoria seat, it is very much "big news," assuming they cast their vote with the Coalition (which so far as right-left goes, they most likely would). The article already covers this, and rightfully should.

I'm very satisfied with the edits/additions that've been made since my initial comment, though. So long as the article is not written in a manner that unjustly downplays (or "up-plays," as well) what's happened to any of the third party results. And again, the dust hasn't settled yet. Can't say as I have much else to add until all votes are in (and preferences set in stone). Shem 08:09, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Refactoring of Results and Commentary
The current "section 0", prior to the first heading should be put under a heading so that it is easier for people to edit. I'd be bold but it is a current event and so should quickly give the newsworthy information at the moment. If someoneelse want's change it now, a way to edit just that secion is to start editing section 1 (using whatever way your preferences allow you to) and then change the URL from ...&section=1 to ...&section=0.

If there's a simpler way, with monobook, can someone tell me?

Mark Hurd 11:47, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The reason we don't want a heading at the start of the article is that that would bring the ugly and obtrusive TOC box up to the top of the article. Personally I would abolish TOC boxes, or at least give editors the ability to decide where to put them, but since we have them we have to structure articles so they appear well down the page. Adam 13:31, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I note that there is a NOTOC marker available for just that scenario.
 * But it seems to get FAC, it needs my suggested edit...
 * Mark Hurd 02:41, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

CLP Seat
the reason why the AEC website says that liberals only have 71, is because they don't factor in the seat held by the country liberal party (which realy is just a division of the liberal party) Xtra 13:05, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Turnout
There doesn't seem to be any mention of turnout. Going by the article on the 2001 election, it seems to be down, and all the parties except the Greens seem to have lost votes - unless some votes haven't been counted yet. Can anyone add information on turnout as a proportion of the electorate, and the swing in this? -- Gregg 00:19, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Turnout in Australian elections is usually pretty good, given that voting is compulsory in Australia and non-compliance is punishable with a fine. Alex.tan 07:19, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Ah. So... why does turnout appear to have fallen from 11.4 million to 9.5 million, since the last election? Or are there still two million odd votes to be counted? -- Gregg 10:54, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * only 75% of the votes have been counted Xtra 10:57, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * That explains it. Thanks. -- Gregg 10:59, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Also there was an unusually high postal/pre-poll vote this election, possibly due to school holidays in several states. - Mark 11:16, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Bush Victory
It seems to me that this is a poltical victory for George W. Bush - He's retained a faithful ally for Iraq, and Australians have rejected the message of John Kerry's sister.

 * Kerry has a sister?! I think you misunderstand how little most Australians care about American politics. We can barely raise enough interest in our own elections! - Ta bu shi da yu 05:18, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * The article already mentions John Howard's apparent vindication of involvement in Iraq. I see no reason to suggest that it is a "victory" for George W. Bush or John Kerry, as both supported Howard over Mark Latham.  Regardless of who wins the U.S. election, they'll have to clean up a mess in Iraq.  John Kerry needs a cooperative partner in Iraq just as much as President Bush, hence why he stated opposition to Mark Latham's plans to withdraw troops. -Shem 203.214.148.234 08:37, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Whilst it could be played in the US as a win for Bush; Iraq or even the FTA that appears to have come about as our "reward" for support, didn't seem to play any role in the election at all. Maybe something should go into the US election article about how the result could be spun to be supporting of Bush, I don't believe anything should go into this article unless the spin is used.Steven jones 02:20, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * If Labor had made a big election issue over hammering the Coalition for their actions with regards to supporting Bush in Iraq, and the results had gone the same way, then maybe you could spin this as a vote for Bush. But that didn't happen. —Stormie 03:25, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)

Iraq was hardly mentioned as an issue once the campaign began. But the damage to Latham was done back in March with his off-the-cuff "out by Xmas" comments to Mike Carlton. That produced an immediate dip in the polls and he never recovered his earlier standing, not so much because of the issue itself but because of the impression it gave of policy-on-the-run. But it was economic issues that cost Labor the election. Adam 04:40, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I'll add my voice to the chorus, Iraq was a non-issue in the election. I've seen a number of right wing blogs spin the election as something of a referendum on Bush's war but that couldn't be further from the truth. It was a remarkably (perhaps sadly) domestic-based election. Psychobabble

Malcolm Mackerras' prediction
Okay, folks. Here is where I draw a line in the sand: Historical accuracy. Over a few months now I have several times inserted and later seen removed the mention of Malcolm Mackerras' prediction in January 2005 about the election. Whether you like him or not, he predicted it. It happened! He deserves recognition.

As of right now, the Mackerras Pendulum image is still there but the paragraph has been removed, thus losing the sense and historical importance of the pendulum/image. (The paragraph morphed after the link to User:Adam Carr's pendulum was added, and it remains.) The Mackerras entry went in the edits at 23:43, 11 Oct 2004 by 202.154.105.254.

If it is unacceptable to record the historically quite accurate prediction in the body of the entry, as it seems from people's censoring of the mention of Mackerras' prediction, then I imagine that no-one will complain if I create a separate section for the history of predictions about this election. Other people's predictions can then be documented, too. I await your advice and, if no-one objects, will do this late in the weekend. Peter Ellis 03:21, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I have the Mackerras piece ("Nothing for certain in landslide danger zone," Australian, 5 January 2004) in front of me and he does not predict the election result, or even attempt to do so. In fact he said: "I have no idea how the Australian people will divide their votes and nor does anyone else." He posits a 3% swing to the coalition as a hypothesis, but further down the column he posits a swing to Labor of 4%. Mackerras does not in general make election predictions. I do not appreciate being accused of censorship. Research should precede accusation. Adam 04:10, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Adam, please do not be touchy. (I realise that you have opinions about how people in Wikipedia are behaving at the moment, and I am almost certain from what I can read that I'm on your 'side'.) Notice that I made the point that the edits in which the Mackerras matters were removed were by 202.154.105.254 and not you. As for the prediction, have I mis-attributed the prediction to the article rather than the list/pendulum he has on his web site? If so, I'll correctly attribute it to his site. (See the predicted situation/pendulum as recorded in detail at the Malcolm Mackerras entry and in the image of the pendulum.) I think that most folk would call saying something will occur in a particular way 10 months and 4 days ahead of time a prediction; I'll call it a prophecy if that is clearer. Peter Ellis 05:11, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

That link is dead. If the pendulum is the same as the one in the Australian, it makes no prediction. Adam 05:54, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hmmmm... Seems to me Malcolm Mackerras is more famous for the consistent inaccuracy of his predictions than anything else. He's been getting it wrong for 30 years to my knowledge - when will he ever learn that the past is no predictor of the future, particularly in political contexts? Why are his predictions, or anybody else's, of any real interest to Wikipedia? I can predict anything I like, and the fact that I have made such a prediction then becomes a part of world history, but that doesn't mean it's of any interest or value to anybody but me. Cheers JackofOz 07:05, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Mackerras is a good statistician and deserves credit for inventing the pendulum and the idea of the two-party vote and the two-party swing (in Australian General Elections 1972), but when he ventures into political commentary and prediction he is a bit of a dill. In the article cited above his only actual prediction was that Labor would win Wakefield, which it didn't. Adam 08:14, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Family First/Greens in Tas Senate
I reverted Xtra's change of 19 Oct - see the commentary on the ABC site:

http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2004/results/sendTAS.htm under "Antony Green's Analysis" -

''If all votes are assumed to be ticket votes, then the final vacancy in Tasmania goes to Jacquie Petrusma of Family First ahead of Christine Milne from the Greens. However, the final margin of victory is only 4,300 votes. In 2001, one in five Tasmanian votes, or around 60,000 ballot papers, were cast below the line. Christine Milne is a well known political figure in the state, and it is quite likely that many below the line votes from the Labor, Liberal and Australian Democrat tickets will leak to Milne. The final result in Tasmania will now be known until all below the line votes are entered into the computer counting system, and the button is hit to distribute preferences.''

The "results" shown on that page are for an "all votes are above-the-line votes" scenario. -- Chuq 12:05, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

ok. will wait for declared results for that. Xtra 13:42, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Electoral fraud and complaints
During this election there have been a number of reports and complaints made to the AEC regarding activities and material which may constitute electoral fraud. I think we should include a small section on this, with focus on those incidents which can be confirmed (i.e. those reported to the AEC) and obviously being careful with the NPOV and defamation (in other words, just because it may have benefited one particular party, does not necessarily mean it was the work of that party).

Anyone have any particular views on this front before I start adding a new section? Also, if anyone has relevant URLs available, it would be appreciated. -- BenM 02:04, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

There have been several press reports about the use of misleading how-to-vote cards, such as the "Green Liberal" card in Melbourne Ports. I would not call this "electoral fraud," although it might be found to breach s329 of the Electoral Act. Adam 06:16, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

apparantly it was reported on the internet today on The Australian that larry anthony was complaining about dodgy how to votes Xtra 06:27, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Dodgy HTVs have a long and glorious history in Australian politics, and MPs who lose their seats by very narrow margins (like Anthony, who is a nice bloke but a political dud, and lost his seat all by himself) often find them a convenient excuse. It's never been proved that they really have much effect, although the Melbourne Ports one certainly cost the Greens some votes. I don't know who was behind the Richmond one. Richmond is a pretty feral area these days. Adam 07:42, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Okay, so should we leave it out or just include a small section of those issues reported to the AEC? If the latter we could then include the allegations of bribery made by that independent MP against the Nationals at the start of the campaign (the trade the seat for a diplomatic post thing).  -- BenM 02:19, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * that could cause defamation problems if the claims turn out to be unfounded. the AEC puts out a report after each election including all these type of occurences. could we take it from that when it comes out. Xtra 08:56, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

title
Excuse my ignorance to the technicalities, but as a title, "Australian legislative election, 2004" is rather cumbersome. Would there be any merit in moving this to 2004 Federal election, Australia/Australia Federal election, 2004, or the like? Something more memorable or accessible? Dysprosia 12:32, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I think the answer to accesibility is to have the article well linked to articles about australia, australian politics/politicians etc. The "cumbersome" problem can be fixed by creating articles with those names and rediricting them to this. Xtra 13:12, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * That's not quite the point, but Aaron Hill answered the question. Dysprosia

 * Refer to the conversations to do with this above, it is to do with the wikipedia standards meaning that election pages must be named "legislative" or "presidential". - Aaron Hill 14:07, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Dysprosia 22:42, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Qld Senator #6
the last senate spot in qld is very interesting to watch. it is extremely close between the nationals and the greens. added to this are the legal threats of both the nats and the greens to have the election overturned if they don't get their way. most importantly though is that if the nats get joyce up, the coalition will have a majority in the senate. however, this may not mean absolute control to howard, as the qld nats have made it clear that they are under no binding obedience to the coalition. at the moment, after the nats were trailing by a few hundred votes on friday, they are now ahead. there is every possibility that the qld nats will become the balance of power in the senate. this may be commentworthy. Xtra 10:22, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)


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Tejan Sachdeva
No claim to notability, and with zero hits, seems to be because there is none. Niteowlneils 02:48, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Ds Repeat after me. "Patent nonsense". Chris 03:33, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. --Michael Snow 04:54, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Not patent nonsense by the rules, but it is by practice. Just a poor vanity article by a 15 year old with an inflated self-image. Geogre 05:24, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Badly written and I agree with the people above it is nonsense. NeoJustin 05:22 Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Living in India since 20 years. Never heard of this man. utcursch 10:28, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete - vanity page. Kiand 00:37, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Digitigrade

In terrestrial vertebrates, digitigrade locomotion is walking or running on the toes (from the Latin digitus, 'finger', and gradior, 'walk'). A digitigrade animal is one that stands or walks with its toes (phalanges) on the ground, and the rest of its foot lifted. Digitigrades include birds (what many see as bird's knees are actually ankles), cats, dogs, and many other mammals, but not plantigrades (such as humans) or unguligrades (such as horses). Digitigrades generally move more quickly than other animals.

There are structural differences between the limb anatomy of plantigrades, unguligrades, and digitigrades. Digitigrade and unguligrade animals have relatively long carpals and tarsals, and the bones which correspond to the human ankle are thus set much higher in the limb than in a human. In a digitigrade animal, this effectively lengthens the foot, so much so that what are often thought of as a digitigrade animal's "hands" and "feet" correspond to only the human fingers or toes. Digitigrade locomotion is responsible for the distinctive hooked shape of dog legs.

Plantigrade animals, such as humans, normally walk with the soles of their feet on the ground. Unguligrade animals, such as horses and cattle, walk only on the distal-most tips of their digits. Digitigrade animals walk on their distal and intermediate phalanges; more than one segment of the digit makes contact with the ground, either directly (as in birds) or via paw-pads (as in dogs and cats).

Examples

 * Mesonychidae
 * Dinosaurs (digitigrade and semi-digitigrade)
 * Birds (except for loons and grebes which are plantigrade)
 * Suina (semi-digitigrade)
 * Hippopotamidae (semi-digitigrade)
 * Pakicetus
 * Indohyus
 * Thylacine
 * Felidae
 * Hyenas
 * Mongooses
 * Canidae
 * Derived hyaenodonts (range from digitigrade to semidigitigrade: ancestrally plantigrade)
 * Elephants (semi-digitigrade)
 * Capybaras (semi-digitigrade)
 * Trucidocynodon (semi-digitigrade at least in the forelimbs)

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Afro-Trinidadians and Tobagonians

Afro-Trinidadians and Tobagonians (or just Afro-Trinbagonians) are people from Trinidad and Tobago who are of Sub-Saharan African descent, mostly from West Africa. Social interpretations of race in Trinidad and Tobago are often used to dictate who is of West African descent. Mulatto-Creole, Dougla, Blasian, Zambo, Maroon, Pardo, Quadroon, Octoroon or Hexadecaroon (Quintroon) were all racial terms used to measure the amount of West African ancestry someone possessed in Trinidad and Tobago and throughout North American, Latin American and Caribbean history.

Afro-Trinidadians and Tobagonians accounted for 34.22 percent of the population of Trinidad and Tobago according to the 2011 Census. An additional 22.8 percent of Trinidadians described themselves as being multiracial, of whom 7.7 percent were Dougla (mixed African and Indian ethnicity).

The islands of Trinidad and Tobago (united in 1888) have a different racial history. The island of Trinidad is mainly multiracial while the population of Tobago is primarily what is considered Afro-Tobagonian, which is synonymous with Afro-Trinidadian, with the exception that the people of Tobago are almost exclusively of direct African ancestry. In an effort to bridge the cultural and ethnic split between the two islands many people choose to be called Trinbagonians as a gesture of unification.

Origins
The ultimate origin of most African ancestry in the Americas is in West and Central Africa. The most common ethnic groups of the enslaved Africans in Trinidad and Tobago were Igbo, Kongo, Ibibio, Yoruba and Malinke people. All of these groups, among others, were heavily affected by the Atlantic slave trade. The population census of 1813 shows that among African-born slaves the Igbo were the most numerous.

Around half of Afro-Trinidadians were the descendants of emigrants from other islands of the Caribbean, especially Martinique, Guadeloupe, Saint Vincent and Grenada. Other Afro-Trinidadians trace their ancestry to American slaves recruited to fight for the British in the War of 1812 or from indentured labourers from West Africa.

History
In 1498 Christopher Columbus landed on the island of Trinidad, where he encountered the indigenous Taíno people. A while after Columbus's landing, Trinidad became a territory of the Spanish Empire. The Spanish enslaved the native population and over time mixed with them, their offspring creating the Mestizo identity. The Mulattos came about after Spain started transporting enslaved Africans to Trinidad in 1517 via the Atlantic slave trade. By the time the African, Mulattoes and Mestizos started intermixing, the Amerindians had become almost nonexistent.

In 1783, the King of Spain passed the Cedula of Population law, which promised free land to Europeans willing to relocate to Trinidad to work. With this law French settlers migrated to Trinidad from the French Antilles to work the sugar cane plantations. They, too, added to the ancestry of Trinidadians, creating the creole identity; Spanish, French and Patois were the languages spoken.

In 1802, Great Britain took over the island and slavery was eventually abolished in 1834. The abolition of slavery led to an influx of indentured servants from places such as China. While some left, many stayed and married into the Trinidadian populace. In 1911, many more Chinese came after the Chinese Revolution.

In the 1840s, European indentured servants began arriving, including the French, Spanish, Germans, Swiss, Portuguese, English, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish, Irish, Corsican, Italians, Dutch, Norwegian and Polish. Over time, many of these settlers married into the families of the freed slaves.

On 30 May 1845, the British transported indentured servants from India to Trinidad. This day is known as Indian Arrival Day. A small portion of the group of Indians also began to racially mix into the Trinidadian populace, their descendants became known as the Dougla people. After the use of indentured servants was abolished 1917, a second group of Indians steadily migrated to Trinidad from India, mostly for business.

Afro-Trinidadian and Tobagonian
Between 1968 and 1970, the "Black Power Revolution" gained strength in Trinidad and Tobago. The National Joint Action Committee (NJAC) was formed by a group of undergraduates at the St. Augustine Campus of the University of the West Indies. Influenced by people such as Fidel Castro, Stokely Carmichael and Malcolm X. The National Joint Action Committee demonstrated to bring about Black Power and a return to African heritage and African culture.

On 6 April 1970, protester Basil Davis, was killed by the police. This was followed on 13 April by the resignation of A. N. R. Robinson, Member of Parliament for Tobago East. On 18 April, sugar workers went on strike and there was talk of a general strike. In response to this, Williams proclaimed a State of Emergency on 21 April and arrested 15 Black Power leaders. Responding in turn, a portion of the Trinidad Defence Force, led by Raffique Shah and Rex Lassalle, mutinied and took hostages at the army barracks at Teteron. Through the action of the Coast Guard and negotiations between the Government and the rebels, the mutiny was contained and the mutineers surrendered on 25 April. It was around this time the term Afro-Trinidadian was started to be used.

Culture
The massive influx of enslaved Africans to Trinidad and Tobago shores that happened in 19th century respectively was important in shaping the cultural space of Trinidad and Tobago. Afro-Trinidadian culture is immanent within and encapsulates all other cultures. Afro-Trinidadian culture is decisive in steelpan culture, Carnival culture, soca culture, and calypso culture and also helped in many ways to shape.

Religious groups
Most Afro-Trinidadian and Tobagonians are Christian, with the largest group being Roman Catholics, Anglicans and (in Tobago) Methodists. Smaller numbers follow Afro-Caribbean syncretic faiths like the Spiritual Baptist Church and the Rastafari movement. Non-Christians include adherents of Islam, the Orisha-Shango (Yoruba) faith, Afro-American religions, the Baháʼí Faith, Hinduism or are followers of Sai Baba.

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University of Houston–Downtown

The University of Houston–Downtown (UHD) is a public university in Houston, Texas. It is part of the University of Houston System and has a campus that spans 40 acre in Downtown Houston with a satellite location, UHD-Northwest in Harris County. Founded in 1974, UHD is the second-largest university in Houston. The university serves students in four academic colleges and offers 57 degree programs—46 bachelor's and 11 master's. UHD also offers 15 undergraduate-completion programs and 3 fully online master's programs. Awarding more than 3,600 degrees annually, the UHD boasts more than 64,000 alumni.

History
In 1974, the University of Houston acquired South Texas Junior College in order to open the University of Houston-Downtown College right at One Main Street. The name was then changed to University of Houston-Downtown, officially removing "College" from the institution.

The University of Houston-Downtown's expansion and physical growth continued in the late 1990s. The Willow Street Pump Station (listed among U.S. National Register of Historic Places) was renovated, and the Commerce Street Building opened, providing a new home for the College of Public Service. In the early 2000s, the Shea Street Building opened as the new home for the College of Business.

UHD celebrated a milestone when it enrolled the first class of MBA students in the College of Business. In 2016, a 26,000-square-foot Welcome Center opened its doors, and the O'Kane Gallery landed a new home featuring exhibitions for student, faculty, and local and national artists. Dedicated to the health and wellness of the Campus Community, the Wellness & Success Center opens its doors in January 2023.

Institutional structure
The University of Houston–Downtown (UHD) is one of four institutions in the University of Houston System. The institution is separately accredited, offers its own academic programs and confers its own degrees, and has its own administration. The organization and control of the University of Houston–Downtown is vested in the Board of Regents of the University of Houston System. The board has all the rights, powers, and duties that it has with respect to the organization and control of other institutions in the system; however, UHD is maintained as a separate and distinct institution.

Administration
The president is the chief executive officer of the University of Houston–Downtown, and the position reports to the chancellor of the University of Houston System. The president is appointed by the UHS chancellor and confirmed by the Board of Regents of the University of Houston System. Since March 2021, the president of the university is Loren J. Blanchard. The UHD administration is located on the ninth floor in the One Main Building.

 * William I. Dykes (interim), 1974–1975
 * J. Don Boney, 1975–1979
 * Alexander F. Schilt, 1980–1987
 * Manuel T. Pacheco, 1987–1991
 * George W. Magner (interim), 1991–1992
 * Max Castillo, 1992–2009
 * William V. Flores, 2009–2016
 * Michael A. Olivas (interim), 2016–2017
 * Juan Sánchez Muñoz, 2017–2020
 * Antonio D. Tillis (interim), 2020–March 2021
 * Loren J. Blanchard, March 2021–present

Academics

The University of Houston–Downtown is primarily an undergraduate institution. It offers 46 undergraduate and 11 graduate degree programs in the four following academic colleges:
 * Marilyn Davies College of Business
 * College of Humanities & Social Sciences
 * College of Public Service
 * College of Sciences & Technology

Admissions
The University of Houston–Downtown was the final state university in Texas that had not yet abolished open admissions. The University of Houston System Board of Regents unanimously approved new admissions standards in February 2012, with closed admissions for UHD in the fall of 2013.

Campus
The UHD campus consists of eight buildings at the north end of Downtown Houston and the south end of Northside, next to the crossing of Interstate 10 and Main Street. The university is located near the site where Houston was founded, Allen's Landing. Two of the university's buildings—One Main Building (formerly the Merchants and Manufacturers Building) and the Willow Street Pump Station—are listed in the National Register of Historic Places. UHD also offers classes online at three campuses: UHD-Northwest, Lone Star College Kingwood, and Lone Star College CyFair.

UHD's student current ethnic demographics are: 53% Hispanic, 20% Black, 13% White, 8% Asian, 2% International (regardless of race and/or ethnic origins), and 3% multi-racial. 63% of the student body identified as female, 37% identified as male.

In 2020, UHD opened the College of Sciences and Technology building. The new Wellness & Success Center opened its doors on January 17, 2023.

The university is home to the Harry W. O'Kane Gallery (commonly known as the O'Kane Gallery, which was established in 1970by gifts from Harry W. O'Kane, Mary W. Bingman, and the Humphreys Foundation. The O'Kane Gallery presents five to six exhibitions that meet the diverse interests of UHD students, faculty, staff, alumni, and campus visitors. Exhibitions in all media provide educational support to various university courses and to nearby schools. The Gallery also functions as a site for university forums, meetings, and receptions. Exhibitions are free and open to the public.

The university once maintained a student dormitory in the former Continental Houston Hotel, located south of the Buffalo Bayou, from 1982 to August 1991; the facility began its use as a hotel in 1961. The students were forced to leave the dormitory the month it closed, and the facility was demolished in 1993. UHD decided to raze the building because the university deemed it more cost effective to do so instead of renovating the facility. The demolition expenses totaled $700,000 while the renovation would have been $8,000,000. Initially the area was to be used for parking cars while a student center was to be later established there.

Although UHD does not have an intercollegiate varsity athletics program, it does offer its students a number of club sports and intramural sports in addition to numerous fitness programs. UHD's club sports teams are known as the Gators. The UHD mascot is known as Ed-U-Gator.

The university and its community offer additional activities for students such as clubs, organizations, fraternities, and sororities. Their student newspaper is The Dateline Downtown.

The UHD campus is served by METRORail's UH–Downtown station on the Red Line.

Notable people and alumni

 * Ghulam Bombaywala, restaurateur
 * Juan Díaz, professional boxer and former Lightweight World Champion
 * Mario Gallegos Jr., member of the Texas Senate
 * Ed Gonzalez, Harris County Sheriff
 * Ananth Prabhu Gurpur, cyberlaw expert, Professor in Computer Engineering at the Sahyadri College of Engineering and Management, author
 * Diana López, taekwondo practitioner (2008 Olympic bronze medalist)
 * Charles McClelland, former Chief of the Houston Police Department (2010–2016)
 * Phil Montgomery, member of the Wisconsin State Assembly
 * Troy Nehls, Congressman from Texas.
 * Devon Still, professional football player, founder of the Still Strong Foundation
 * Lorenzo Thomas, poet and former faculty member

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List of lakes of New Zealand

This is a list of lakes in New Zealand.

A lake's location is identified by the region and either the territorial authority or national park (N.P.).

There are:
 * 43 lakes with a surface area larger than 10 km2 (1000 ha)
 * 231 lakes greater than 0.5 km2 (50 ha)
 * 3822 lakes greater than 0.01 km2 (1 ha)

Largest
Lakes with a surface area of more than 10 km2

Deepest lakes
Maximum depth and average depth in metres:

 * Lake Hauroko: 462 and ~117.
 * Lake Manapouri: 444 and 149.
 * Lake Te Anau: 425 and ~169.
 * Lake Wakatipu: 420 and 130.
 * Lake Hāwea: 392 and ~101.
 * Lake Wānaka: ~311 and 99.

These six lakes are all in the South Island. The deepest lake in the North Island is Lake Waikaremoana, which has a depth of 256 m.

Northland
The following lakes are located in the Northland Region.

Auckland
The following lakes are located in the Auckland Region.

Many of the lakes in the Auckland Region are man made reservoirs, constructed in the hilly catchment areas of the Waitakere and Hunua ranges in order to provide a water supply for the Auckland urban area.

Waikato
The following lakes are located in the Waikato region. The various pools of the Tongariro River system, as listed below, can be found in detail on their own page at Pools of the Tongariro River.

Pools of the Tongariro River
The following is a list of named pools on the Tongariro River. Full details of these pools, many of which are little more than widenings of the river or clear areas of the river's delta marshes, can be found at Pools of the Tongariro River.

 * Admirals Pool
 * Bain Pool
 * Barlows Pool
 * Beggs Pool
 * Big Bend Pool
 * Blue Pool
 * Boulder Pool
 * Breakaway Pool
 * Breakfast Pool
 * Cattle Rustlers Pool
 * Cherry Pool
 * Cliff Pool
 * Cobham Pool
 * Dans Pool
 * DeLatours Pool
 * Downs Pool
 * Duchess Pool
 * Fan Pool
 * Fence Pool
 * Graces Pool
 * Hydro Pool
 * Island Pool
 * Jellicoe Pool
 * Jones Pool
 * Judges Pool
 * Kamahi Pool
 * Log Pool
 * Lonely Pool
 * Lower Birch Pool
 * Major Jones Pool
 * Never Fail Pool
 * Poplar Pool
 * Poutu Pool
 * Red Hut Pool
 * Reed Pool
 * Sand Pool
 * Shag Pool
 * Silly Pool
 * Stag Pool
 * Swirl Pool
 * The Bends Pool
 * The Rip
 * Upper Birch Pool
 * Upper Island Pool
 * Waddells Pool
 * Whitikau Pool

Bay of Plenty
The following lakes are located in the Bay of Plenty Region.

Gisborne
The following lakes are located in the Gisborne Region.

Hawke's Bay
The following lakes are located in the Hawke's Bay Region.

Taranaki
The following lakes are located in the Taranaki Region.

Manawatū-Whanganui
The following lakes are located in the Manawatū-Whanganui region.

Wellington
The following lakes are located in the Wellington Region.

Tasman
The following lakes are located in the Tasman Region.

Nelson
The following lakes are located in the Nelson Region.

Marlborough
The following lakes are located in the Marlborough Region.

West Coast
The following lakes are located in the West Coast region.

Canterbury
The following lakes are located in the Canterbury region.

Otago
The following lakes are located in the Otago region.

Southland
The following lakes are located in the Southland region.

Chatham Islands
Many of the lakes in the Chatham Islands are either lagoons filling sinkholes in the island's limestone structure, or low-lying peat lakes. The island chain is dominated by Te Whanga Lagoon, which occupies the centre of the main island and accounts for one sixth of the surface area of the archipelago.

Ross Dependency
The following lakes are located in Ross Dependency, New Zealand's claim in Antarctica.

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Furrlough

Furrlough is a furry comic book originally published by Antarctic Press and continued by Radio Comix. It is edited by Elin Winkler and is nicknamed (dubbed) "Your Funny Animal Anthology".

First published in 1991, Furrlough originally featured military-themed comic book stories with anthropomorphic characters. But as more issues were published, the comic expanded to also include action, adventure, fantasy and sci-fi stories as well. In 1997, Antarctic Press underwent a restructuring in an attempt to focus on more mainstream comics, and in the process several comic books were dropped, including Furrlough and its sister title, Genus. However, these books were still popular and profitable, so two former Antarctic Press employees decided to continue publishing them under a brand-new comic company, Radio Comix.

Radio Comix began publishing Furrlough with issue #52 in April 1997, and was published monthly until early 2008 when the frequency of publication began to vary. As of February 2013, 192 issues have been published (not including spin-offs), with several hundred contributors appearing over the years (with 187 writers & artists in the first 99 issues).

The first full-color issue of Furrlough, Furrlough Color Special #1, arrived in comic book shops on June 17, 2009. The first square-bound issue of Furrlough, Furrlough #190, arrived in comic book shops on September 9, 2010.

The most popular stories to appear in Furrlough (as voted by its readers) include: "Full Knight Gear" by Michael Vega, "Heebas" by Scotty Arsenault, "The Otters" by Scott Mills, "Stosstrupp" by Ted Sheppard, and "Tall Tails" by Daphne Lage.

The first issue's most notable stories was the first appearance of Joe Rosales' Romanics and Ted Sheppard's Stosstrupp, which both are among the most popular in Furrlough's Top 100 stories. Romanics stories were published in Furrlough over the years including Best of Furrlough volume 1 and Furrlough's Finest #1.

Stosstrupp was published in its own publication (Stosstrupp Review). This was something which would happen to several stories appearing in Furrlough, including "Collars and Cuffs", "Guardian Knights" (published by Limelight), "Here Comes a Candle" (Shanda Fantasy Arts), "Misty the Mouse" (Shanda) and "Zaibatsu Tears" (Limelight).

In July 2023, it was announced on Twitter that Antarctic Press would be taking over and resuming the publication of the comic from Radio Comix.

Issues with indexes

 * Furrlough #83 with Furrlough Index
 * Furrlough #100
 * The Complete Furrlough Index part 2 – (#83 to #99)
 * The Complete Furrlough Artist Index (#1 through #99)
 * Furrlough #107 with Furrlough Index part 3
 * Furrlough #119 with Furrlough Index part 4
 * Furrlough #185 with Furrlough Index Part 5

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This needs to be merged with 4-4-0. slambo 02:57, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Done. The links in Template:Whyte types and on other pages already linked to 4-4-0 and more historical data existed on 4-4-0, so this page is now a redirect to it. slambo 17:07, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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