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Potton, Quebec

Potton is a township municipality of about 2,010 people in the Memphrémagog Regional County Municipality. It is located on the western shore of Lake Memphremagog in the Estrie (Eastern Townships) region of Quebec, and is one of the municipalities in Brome County. Potton is located about 125 km southeast of Montreal, 30 km to the southwest of the city of Magog, and next to the United States border, north of North Troy, Vermont.

Potton Township (Canton de Potton) consists of several villages and hamlets that include Potton Springs, Mansonville, Highwater, Dunkin, Province Hill, Leadville, Vale Perkins, Perkins Landing, and Knowlton's Landing.

Of these, Mansonville is the business center and the seat of government (Municipalite du canton de Potton) for the township. Formerly a sleepy community, Mansonville has experienced some growth and prosperity because of its proximity to the Owl's Head ski resort. Like many Eastern Townships and New England villages, Mansonville grew up around a water-powered mill which exploited a head of water above a fall on the North Branch of the Missisquoi River. The mill ceased operating with electrification in the early 20th century, which allowed economies of scale and centralized manufacturing in larger centres. It operated as a feed and grain mill until 2004, when it was destroyed by fire. Overlooking the mill site is the mansion of the Manson family that founded the town. The mansion has since become a bed and breakfast.

The Newport Subdivision of the Central Maine and Quebec Railway railroad (a subsidiary of the Canadian Pacific Railway) route from Newport, Vermont to Richford, Vermont traverses the township at Highwater and follows the Mississquoi River.

The single runway Mansonville Airport (CSK4) is located near Highwater, on chemin de l'Aeroport.

Mansonville, like many Eastern Townships communities, has long had a mixture of French and English-speaking residents and is home to over twenty nationalities and ethnic groups. Religious diversity is present, and in Mansonville, Roman Catholic, United (closed 2011) and Anglican churches are located a few yards apart. Mansonville was also the home of Russian Orthodox prelate Metropolitan Vitaly Ustinov for some five decades until his death in 2006.

History
The area encompassed by the township is part of the larger territory originally inhabited by the Abenaki tribe. There are no known permanent Abenaki habitation sites in the township. The area was used by them for hunting and fishing. Lake Memphremagog and the Missisquoi River were important trade and travel routes. Perkins Landing (approx. 45.092447, -72.295008) is considered to be one end of the portage from Lake Memphremagog to the Missisquoi River. A number of place names originate from them:

 * Owl's Head is the English name for the mountain called "Walowadjo". From the Abenaki language, "walo" translates as "saw-whet owl" (aegolius acadicus); "wadjo" translates as "mountain".
 * Owl's Head was also called "Waloimudupsek": "walo" translates as "saw-whet owl" (aegolius acadicus); "imudups" translates as "head"; "ek" translates as "location".
 * Memphremagog comes from the word "Memrahabegek", which means "where there is a big expanse of water".
 * Memphremagog was also pronounced as "Mamphremagog". This came from the Abenakis "Mamlawbagak" which signifies "a long and large sheet of water".  The prefix "mamlaw" denotes largeness or abundance; the particule "baga" denotes water; and "k" marks the name as given in local term.
 * Missisquoi comes from the word "Masipskoik", which means "a place where there are boulders", more specifically "boulders point".
 * Missisquoi also comes from the Abenakis "Masipskoik" which means "where there is flint".

The Eastern Townships of Quebec were opened for settlement by the Constitutional Act of 1791. The first European settler in Potton township was Nicholas Austin. He was a Loyalist from Somersworth, New Hampshire who in 1791 settled at the site of present-day Perkins Landing. Due to a navigation error, he moved, in 1793, north to Bolton Township to the land that was allocated to him. The town of Austin bears his name. Austin's log house at Perkins Landing was assumed by Samuel Perkins in 1793. Other early settlers of Potton Township were David Blanchard, Col. Henry Ruiter, Moses Elkins, and the Perkins, Manson, Gilman, and Coit families. The names of the early settlers remain in the toponymy of the township: Ruiter's Brook in Dunkin, Vale Perkins, Perkins Landing, Mansonville, and Knowlton's Landing.

Potton Township was proclaimed on October 31, 1797. It, and the homonymous municipality township erected in 1845, derive their name from the town of Potton in England, located in Bedfordshire, near the village of Sutton.

Perkins Landing and Knowlton's Landing were regular stops for the steamships that plied Lake Memphremagog from the latter half of the 19th century up to the mid-20th century. The first of these steamships was the Mountain Maid, the Lady of the Lake was the largest, and the last was the Anthemis. The wharves at these locations now provide public access to the lake.

Two lighthouses were located on the shore of Lake Memphremagog. They were built in 1878 and no longer exist.
 * Chateau de Silva Lighthouse, located roughly midway between Knowlton's Landing and Perkins Landing,
 * Lead Mines Lighthouse, located near Leadville, at the foot of Mount Owl's Head.

The covered bridge crossing Mud Creek was listed as a cultural heritage site in 2008. The bridge was built in 1896 and is of the "Town Simple" type.

A round barn, built in 1911 for Robert Jersey, is situated in Mansonville. The structure and site were listed as a cultural heritage site in 2009.

Highwater was the site of the Space Research Corporation where Gerald Bull performed ballistics research.

Portions of the 1998 movie "Free Money" were filmed in Vale Perkins, Highwater, Mansonville, and near Mount Owl's Head.

Some exterior scenes for the third season of the Quebec police thriller La Faille (2022) were filmed in Mansonville on September 21 and 22, 2021. The town hall served as the site of the series town "Applegrove" police station. The closed Restaurant Soleil Rouge served as the series establishment "Chez Karen". Other scenes were filmed on Rue des Pins, Rue Principale, and in Parc Mansonville. The episodes were aired in November 2022 on Club Illico.

Geography

The eastern boundary of the township is the western half of Lake Memphremagog. The southern boundary is the international border with the United States of America. The western boundary is formed by the Sutton Mountains.

The elevation of Lake Memphremagog is 682 ft. The maximum recorded depth is 351 ft, which is located north of Mount Owl's Head and between Perkins Landing and Knowltons Landing, opposite Jewett Point (at approximately 45.11162°N, -72.27849°W).

The territory of the township is traversed by the north to south flow of the North Branch of the Missisquoi River. It confluences in Highwater with the South Branch of the Missisquoi River, forming the Missisquoi River which disembogues into Lake Champlain at Missisquoi Bay.

The township is dotted with many mountains. Among the more prominent peaks are:
 * Peewee, with a height of 647 m and located at 45.1485°N, -72.3379°W
 * Elephantis (also called Elephantus), with a height of 658 m and located at 45.1204°N, -72.3279°W
 * Hog's Back, with a height of 533 m and located at 45.1383°N, -72.314°W
 * Owl's Head, with a height of 747 m and located at 45.0636°N, -72.2994°W
 * Hawk, with a height of 536 m and located at 45.0135°N, -72.3325°W
 * Bear, with a height of 668 m and located at 45.0188°N, -72.2969°W

Potton is well known for the many sugar bushes that produce maple syrup, considered among the most remarkable in the Quebec.

Geology and soils
Most of the bedrock underlying the township is Cambrian-era slate, schist, phyllite, greywacke and quartzite. There are bands of ultramafic rock near the Missisquoi River valley, and basalt also occurs. Quaternary glaciation left deposits of stony loam till plus outwash deposits of sand and gravel. Benchlands overlooking the Missisquoi River commonly have deposits of clay loam. Brown podzolic and podzol profile developments are most common.

The area is also rich in talc. For many years the Baker Talc company operated underground mining and open-pit operations in South Bolton, with a plant in Highwater. The mine and plant are inactive.

Other inactive mines include a copper mine on the northwestern slope of Hog's Back and a lead mine in Leadville.

Demographics
In the 2021 Census of Population conducted by Statistics Canada, Potton had a population of $2,012$ living in $1,027$ of its $1,965$ total private dwellings, a change of NaN% from its 2016 population of $1,852$. With a land area of 260.77 km2, it had a population density of in 2021.

Population trend:

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Coat of arms
The township received a Grant of Arms on March 25, 1992. Among the symbols on the arms are:

 * five peaks, representing the five main mountains in Potton
 * blue wavy lines, representing the many waterways, ponds, and the lake
 * the sun, representing the bright future of Potton
 * a crown, symbolizing Quebec and Canada
 * the latticework of the covered bridge across Mud Creek
 * a deer, representing the deer and other wildlife that are abundant in the area
 * the motto "Ille Terrarum Mihi Omnis Angulus Ridet" ("This small corner of the world smiles at me above all").

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Minix as open source
In the late 1990s, the license for Minix was converted to open source – When? --Hhielscher 10:50, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

April 2000 --Karnesky 00:08, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Minix vs. Minix 3
I am starting a separate article for Minix 3. As prof. Andrew Tannenbaum quoted it : "MINIX 1 and MINIX 3 are related in the same way as Windows 3.1 and Windows XP are: same first name." (http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/reliable-os/) Freedom to share 16:28, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Was glad to read of the separate Minx 3 article and it looks good. Still I think there's room here for the famous (as these things go) quote about Minix 3 not being your grandfather's Minix. It would underscore the significance of the differences and might strengthen the incentive to read the other article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.196.235 (talk) 15:38, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

MINIX logo?
What's the history of the minix logo Image:Minix3.png?

 * That logo was introduced with MINIX 3. Previously the logo was a stylized "M". I guess the raccoon comes from the cover of the 3rd edition of Operating Systems: Design and Implementation . Letdorf 17:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC).

Any Book there which teaches step-by-step coding of OS (e.g. Minix/Minix-3)
Over time I have been looking for a book which can guide say a C/C++ programmer to write his own OS. Normally books only discuss the various modules(Memory Management, Process Management etc) and stop at that, in case of book on Minix by Andrew S. Tanenbaum it supplied the source code but didn't devote chapters on writing part of the souce code. Any such book available somewhere or is there a plan for the same on Wikibook/Wikiversity. Vjdchauhan 10:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

Good queston...Anyone have a answer? Im curious myself

 * xv6 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.225.166.42 (talk) 09:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Move to MINIX?
With the exception of Minix-vmd, every instance of the name "minix" in this article is in all caps. Does this article belong at MINIX? Playstationman 10:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, I'd say so. Letdorf 10:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

ARM Version of Minix?
Lots of people are waiting on an ARM port of Minix! Wish they would push the priority of this port higher on the ToDo list! Sbmeirow (talk) 22:14, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Left out the Lions' impetus fror writing the book.
"Lions' Commentary on UNIX 6th Edition, with Source Code (1976) contains the complete source code of the 6th Edition Unix kernel" The book was used to teach UNIX academically to Comp Sci students but AT&T forbid its dissemination after 1979. The Wiki article quotes Tannenbaum about this. Minix was an attempt at writing a clean kernel without violating AT&T copyrights. Without the need to teach students using "Unix-like" code the Operating Systems Design book would not have been written. Shjacks45 (talk) 13:16, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

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I've noticed that in the news, Intel has been found to have MINIX running on their chips, at ring -3, which may be used to plant a rootkit. I think that this is significant, and I am looking for opinions on whether or not I should add information to MINIX about the topic. Thanks for taking the time to read this!

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 * Google are apparently trying to remove it from their servers, but I can't find a source outside of reddit and similar sites. If you can find a good source, it's probably worth including. Sophie means wisdom (talk) 11:42, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

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"Minix 3 currently supports"
Didn't anyone teach you that "currently" has no place in an encyclopedic article? sheesh jae (talk) 16:19, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

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Some edits I wrote were reverted were reverted as 'unsourced'. The first is on the dormancy of MINIX development, included a citation and was in agreement with the Minix 3 article. The second was on capitalisation, as has been noted above in this talk page. While this second edit did not add any new citations, it did align with the capitalisation used in the vast majority of existing citations, including MINIX's website. I'm writing this here as I don't have the powers necessary to write on the talk page of the reverting user. Per WP:TALK, I will restore the reverted edits but am open to discussion here. Bespos (talk) 23:22, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:List of eponymous laws

Page title
That's not what eponymous means... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.229.97.194 (talk) 08:58, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup, that's true. But per eponym, it is a common nonstandard usage which makes for a snappier article title. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:25, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * snappiness is not encyclopedic, and neither is this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.13.244.125 (talk) 15:49, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Hofstadter's law
I miss Hofstadter's law (after Douglas Hofstadter), usually quoted as "It will always take longer than you think, even when Hofstadter's Law is taken into account" or the like, but I do not know the source (a Google search turns up a lot of quotations, but no source, and the Wikipedia article about Hofstadter does not mention it). Can someone who's better informed please write the entry? --80.126.21.213 15:38, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Oliver Burkeman wrote an excellent piece in the Guardian that referred to Hofstadter's Law - http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/aug/02/healthandwellbeing.psychology 325jdc (talk) 12:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

It's stated in Godel Escher Bach on pg. 152--"Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law." tom (talk) 21:36, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Poe's law
There are now more than 23,000 results for "Poe's Law" (quotes included) on Google. It shows up in a number of blogs and wikis, and has even made it into a research paper.

 * Paper: Scott F. Aikin Paper. Scott F. Aikin, PhD
 * Blogs: IMDB has reposted Just Press Play. Museum of Hoaxes. Pharyngula ( PZ Myers of Pharyngula (blog) ).  And another.  Many others.
 * Wikis/Glossaries: RationalWiki, UrbanDictionary, TVTropes, Conservapedia, NationMaster.

I believe that this may make it sufficiently used to merit an entry in the English Wiktionary. I'm looking for your feedback on the option of adding it to the list of eponymous laws, or creating a disambiguation page out of the previous deleted articles. I realise this has been nominated successfully twice before, but I believe the situation is different, even "so soon" after, and that the expression is likely to continue to propagate. Much like at least one Keep vote said, I came here looking for the definition, it may be time to add it. (in fact google results for THIS poe's law outweigh the existing poe's law?) - BalthCat (talk) 02:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Please read the talk page archive for this issue, linked above. Google results are not sufficient to merit inclusion. None of the links you have presented are reliable sources, and many of them have been specifically addressed in discussion here before. I can't speak for Wiktionary, but it is still unsuitable for Wikipedia. — Hex    (❝ ?!  ❞)   09:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Several of those sources are perfectly fine and it should be in this list, many of the those sources are used as cites in other articles about other subjects. Unfortunately, in this case we have an involved admin that will actively use their powers to stifle debate and block users who try and add what should be added. Good luck. Tmtoulouse (talk) 18:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Your link's top result is now a PhD research paper, referring to Poe's Law in the title. There is clear evidence this term is in use, on a blog notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia... by a person notable enough to merit his own article on top of the blog's... use by an incredibly notable (in North America) film critic...
 * I'm looking for more guidelines as to what point does this neologism become not-trivial and become more like Godwin's Law? I'm not clear on where that line will be crossed.  (I read a great deal of the discussion you linked me to, however there appeared to be a great deal of negativity and not a great deal of explanation.)  For example, the saying may be notable, but the origin currently unverifiable.  That doesn't make the saying non-notable.  Are we perhaps confusing separate issues: the notability of the saying in use, the verifiability of the saying's truth, and the verifiability of the saying's author?  - BalthCat (talk) 20:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * A self-published paper is not a reliable source. "Used on a notable blog" is not a measure for inclusion in Wikipedia. — Hex    (❝ ?!  ❞)   13:30, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * But lists of jargon from old usenet FAQs are? (ie: Godwin's Law) This is what I'm having a problem understanding. - BalthCat (talk) 16:27, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "Godwin;s Law" is in at least one book, mention in the NYT ,  , (85 times in the NYT site).  "Poe's Law" zero.   A bit of a difference, one might say. Collect (talk) 16:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I emailed PZ Myers, to see if he is aware of any published academic papers that refer to Poe's law. The exisence of even one scholarly paper is enough to merit this law its own wikipedia page.  While re-directing Poe's law to here and using some obscure EEP reference MIGHT be within the letter of the law, it certainly violates the spirit.CalvinLawson (talk) 02:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

For goodness sakes people, Wikipedia is not Wikiquote or Wiktionary. The article Harry Lee Poe has been around since the last time this came up, and you wouldnt believe it ... nobody has added this inconsequential fact to that article ... WHY!!?!? Perhaps two or three very minor mentions are not indicative of notability. John Vandenberg (chat) 13:07, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That's cool, but "Poe's law" is by a "Nathan Poe" rather than Harry Lee Poe.... — Hex    (❝ ?!  ❞)   13:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well something needs to be done. "Poe's law" currently redirects to this page, but the law isn't actually mentioned on the page, and "Poe's Law" (with an upper-case "L") currently goes to a "This page deleted" message. It's all a bit of a dissatisfying compromise and confusing for casual browsers (such as myself) - either we need to add the law to the list, or we need get rid of the redirect page ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 17:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, Poe's Law is mentioned on this page - look more carefully. On the other hand, I've added a matching redirect for the upper-case version. —  Hex    (❝ ?!  ❞)   18:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

 * You're right, I must have looked right through it because it wasn't wikilinked - my mistake. Good work on sorting out the red link - I was going to do so myself, but I wasn't sure, with the deleted page, whether I was blindly stepping into an editors' minefield. There does appear to be some confusion regarding which law we mean: the "Poe's Law" with which I'm familiar, and to which the above posters seem to be referring, is the one (apparently) by Nathan Poe regarding parodies which get confused for the thing they're parodying: the one mentioned in this article is by Edgar Allen Poe and is concerned with the length of poems. I agree entirely that at the moment the former doesn't appear noteworthy enough to be included, but I can see this becoming a bit of a disambig/redirect mess if it ever does become prevalent enough to warrant a mention in WP ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 21:36, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

New information: It's the #2 law in an article, not blog or opinion piece, on the British news site (Digital Publisher of the Year), the Telegraph. It's also the top story at this moment in "Technology News". You'll notice that the URL even includes the name "Poe". From the NEWS article, again, not a blog, it states: "We take a look at 10, with the most well-known and widely used towards the top and some of the lesser lights lower down. If you know any more, let us know below." The #2 law is "Poe's Law". It states, "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humour, it is impossible to create a parody of fundamentalism that someone won't mistake for the real thing." It gives the origin too. "It was originally formulated by Nathan Poe in 2005 during a debate on christianforums.com about evolution, and referred to creationism rather than all fundamentalism, but has since been expanded." Rules #1, #3, and #4 are all listed in our list. If the third and fourth rules are named in Wikipedia, and this list is organized by most well-known to least well-known, then surely the second rule should be included. According to the Telegraph's Wikipedia article, "Telegraph.co.uk became the most popular UK newspaper site in April 2008". Okay. We now have a true news article from a very respectable news (not opinion, not blog) site that gives the explicit text of Poe's Law as well as its origins. Can we finally add this to the list? Sleeker (talk) 23:56, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I have decided to be bold and add it on the grounds that the Telegraph article is sufficiently sound as a source.--A bit iffy (talk) 11:24, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This "reliable source" is merely quoting or paraphrasing from the things listed above that were considered unreliable. Am I the only one who finds this silly? Or is all this some sort of meta-Poe aimed at making fun of Wikipedia? 98.125.216.92 (talk) 21:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, very silly. They just made an internet rumor into something verifiable in a reliable source, didn't they?  Shit happens.  Live with it.  There's also now a 2009 university research article "Poe's Law, Group Polarization, and the Epistemology of Online Religious Discourse". Dicklyon (talk) 23:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * To some extent, it does call into question what satisfies notability. There are a lot of items on this list that are uncited, but are notable.  There are equally items that may not be notable, but are cited.  In some ways notability is like pornography: you know it when you see it.  But one person's notability is another person's trivia.  If the information presented in the Telegraph article is merely a regurgitation of information already presented and deemed to be non-notable, then why does that same information when presented in the article grant the imprimatur of notability?  Stile4aly (talk) 23:57, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

 * You must be reading a different WP:NOTE than I am. Dicklyon (talk) 00:48, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Let's put it this way. I think Poe's Law was notable before the Telegraph article.  The fact that it's been cited by multiple respected websites seems to satisfy the web portion of WP:NOTE.  The fact that we needed an admittedly basic newspaper article in order to allow it to merit inclusion suggests to me that the rejection was based on meeting an unnecessary demand.  Stile4aly (talk) 20:18, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I would point to the "discussion page on conservapedia" for potential motivation for rejection, Although the "original article" was rather bare.CalvinLawson (talk) 05:06, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

_____ Effect
Can these types of "laws" be included too? For example Flynn effect, plus many others? -- œ ™ 19:07, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe there should be a List of eponymous effects? Seems reasonable enough. — Hex    (❝ ?!  ❞)   23:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics
This seemed like a fairly obvious exclusion, though perhaps because of a Wikipedia rule I am unaware of. I'm not really sure if it should be added under 'Asimov' or 'Three' or 'Laws', but I hope someone can go ahead and add it if it is appropriate. Loonybin0 16:54, 10 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loonybin0 (talk • contribs)

Applying Hex's Standards
I've read through these talk archives and just done a rather large edit applying Hex's requirements for the inclusion of Poe's Law to all the other laws on this list. I have been generous, in that I've assumed that any law with a cite, of any kind, is not using a cite that is 'self published', as Hex would view it, and that cite is also 'verifiable' and/or 'reliable' as Hex would view it, without actually checking up on whether this is the case. Unfortunately, despite this generousity, the list is still now a shadow of it's former self, though, for some reason, the Poe's Law that's named for Edgar Allan Poe was hidden, so I've unhidden it. I expect it will get reverted quite quickly, but, hopefully, this will demonstrate to Hex precisely how ridiculous he's being. 92.16.16.118 (talk) 00:59, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it demonstrates an anonymous coward violating WP:POINT. — Hex    (❝ ?!  ❞)   03:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Specifically, the discussion concerning "Poe's Law" as an addition has broad consensus among registered edotors here. It is not just one person's "law" -- it is consensus you would have to change. And the consensus is that any added law must be fully cited.  and note further that all recent additions of which I am aware are fully cited.    Vaandalism to make a point is still vandalism, by the way. Thank you most kindly. Collect (talk) 13:27, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I realise this is now academic, due to the Telegraph publishing an article detailing Poe's Law, but I am curious as to how it can be justified that the rules that Hex was supposedly applying only apply to some of this list, but not all of this list, especially considering he was citing rules that are supposed to be universally applied to everything on Wikipedia (according to what he was saying, anyway - this would actually seem to be contradicted by the part about the rules being 'best treated with common sense and the occasional exception' that is on the top of virtually all rule pages on Wikipedia). 92.9.133.105 (talk) 23:24, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Agreed. One cannot apply a standard in one place and eschew it in another without being guilty of hypocrisy. 75.163.187.78 (talk) 22:02, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Grammar
I have edited several of the names of the laws (i.e., "Kerckhoffs's Principle") and added an s to the end of the name. This is to ensure grammatical correctness; please do not revert these edits because they "look funny" to you. I assure you that incorrect grammar "looks funny" to me.69.199.23.90 (talk) 20:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the spelling you quote above contradicts that given throughout the Kerckhoffs' principle article itself. If you feel that it is incorrect, please raise it on the talk page for that article, have it fixed throughout (and the article renamed), and then correct it here. I have returned it to the previous spelling in the time being. — Hex    (❝ ?!  ❞)   18:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Poe's Law
There is now a reliable secondary source for the origin and purpose of Poe's Law:. I propose that we reconsider including it in the article. Stile4aly (talk) 18:15, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I have now added it. See also main discussion above.--A bit iffy (talk) 11:25, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You folks are quick! I came to see if the Telegraph had settled the debate once and for all, and it seems it has :)  - 142.167.91.236 (talk) 18:03, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Two points: (1) The source is not scholarly. (2) The source is reporting a list of internet memes. Using this as an acceptable source would open the floodgates to other internet memes and expressions. Poe's Law looks out of place compared to genuine eponymous laws. One casual mention in the Telegraph does not mean it belongs here. My best guess is that some users from the "Rational Wiki" are pushing a personal agenda here. Avangion (talk) 20:11, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I will also add that a working paper is not considered a scholarly source. Avangion (talk) 20:16, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Question: would a parody of a parody of fundamentalism still fall under Poe's Law? Seregain (talk) 02:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

VOIDMSTR's LAW

 * Voidmstr's law

I won't edit the article to include this page about "my" law since that would be rude, but you guys might. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Voidmstr (talk • contribs) 09:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm not so sure about this law's notability. -- œ ™ 03:50, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Prandtl–Glauert transformation
It's stated that this is also known as "Prandtl–Glauert rule". Would this and other mathematical 'rules' qualify for the list? -- œ ™ 03:52, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * In my view, no. The list was started to collect things known as laws - i.e. that had "law" in the title. I think there are or should be other eponym page to collect such things as Prandtl–Glauert. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:34, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * In this same vein, I'm not sure Bayes's Theorem and Pythagoras's Theorem should be included. They're both purely mathematical results, and there are many mathematical results named after people. If we include these, why shouldn't the others be on this page? Cyrapas (talk) 23:37, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

How significant should laws be to be mentioned ?
There are a number of laws that come to my mind when reading this entry:

da Vinci's law (after Leonardo da Vinci, actually several laws; like in fluid mechanics, proportion, friction, of free fall (which was wrong)) Galileo's law of free fall Pythagoras' law: When the tension on a string remains the same but the length L is varied, the period of the vibration is proportional to L (after the guy with the rectangular triangles) Aristotle's law of the identity Plato's law on slavery Markov's law (after A.A. Markov) Marx' law of profit Goethe's law Hilbert's law of the excluded middle (after David Hilbert, mathematician) Minkowski's law in general relativity Pepys' law "I see it is impossible for the King to have things done as cheap as other men" after Samuel Pepys

and this list could go on for some time. All of these will get some hits on the web, but not many. Pythagoras with more than 3000 seems to top the list. Well on second thought actually Galileo's law get 14000 hits. OK, I should not be counting hits, but with the exception of Pepys for which I only found a reference in a newspaper, all of the names are renowned or controversial scholars, so it will be no problem at all, to come up with reliable references. But my question is more, whether more obscure laws should be added - lest the list becomes forbiddingly long.

All of the laws mentioned above seem interesting to me, but some are clearly for the experts. So where is the threshold for adding a law ? Goethe's law at the time caused a serious debate and some scholars still investigate it, but it is not in the mainstream of science, as I would perceive it. Aristotle you simply cannot leave out (my feeling).

On the other hand none of these are on the list. Any particular reason ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.187.61.143 (talk) 19:01, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

 * The list was started, iirc, by listing "law" articles found in wikipedia. The criteria then was, thus, that an article existed. Over time laws which have no articles have been added; in the main, some sort of referenced justification has been given, or else searching after the fact has confirmed the currency of the law. I think the present situation is that if you can make a referenced case for a law, then the law should go in. I don't think length should be a consideration. I've looked at a number of the laws you've listed, and they check out to my satisfaction - as you note, Pepys excepted. I respect that this answer represents a fairly flakey threshold measure; but there you go. I'd advise adding those you feel have widespread currency. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:25, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Indeed,I see we've tried to constrain the scope by saying at the top of the list "This list of eponymous laws provides links to articles on laws, adages, and other succinct observations or predictions named after a person" (my emphasis). Notwithstanding that, if sufficient evidence can be adduced that there is commonplace knowledge of an eponymous law not in this list, I think the law should be added. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:50, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Related to that, I wonder if it counts if a law is by name a law, but isn't an adage exactly. For example, Wheaton's Law. (which does not have it's own page, but does have a section under Wil_Wheaton) Oakwright (talk) 05:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

The lead sentence says, "This list of eponymous laws provides links to articles on laws, adages, and other succinct observations or predictions named after a person." Is there a proposal to do differently? Dicklyon (talk) 21:32, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Davis' law
"..used in anatomy to describe how soft tissue models along imposed demands. It is the corollary to Wolff's law." I saw this law was missing from the list and was about to add it, until I read that the full name of the person is unknown. Does it still qualify for addition? -- œ ™ 02:09, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * IMO, yes. --Tagishsimon (talk) 13:22, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Proposal to add LeBlanc's law
LeBlanc's Law states: "Later equals never" is used in the context of software development, but may be applied more broadly to other areas. The law is attributed to Dave LeBlanc.

Here is a link to an article that discusses the topic. It is mentioned in the book "Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship" by Robert Cecil Martin.

Gouldsc (talk) 05:32, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Jenkins's Principle of Electron Spin-out
In engineering projects, often a reason for an event is needed, but sometimes it is hard to find a satisfactory explanation. For an electrical project, Tom Jenkins recently wrote this about a reason for no voltage being found at certain terminals. According to Tom, the idea of "electron spin-out" has been around for years, and has been used at many other companies to explain the difficult-to-explain occurances in the electrical world.

"True story: A resident engineer (previously proved to be clueless) was giving BS to one of my guys while he went through normal start-up. At one point he made a big deal out of the lack of voltage on some of our dry contacts. My man told him that there had been an electron spin-out because the electrician had made the wire bends too tight. At the afternoon progress meeting, this engineer used electron spin-out as his excuse for the project being behind schedule! On the next site trip there was a new resident engineer.

My engineer first heard about electron spin-out from me. I, in turn, first heard it from another of my employees, who in turn heard of it while he was a manufacturing engineer at the late great American Motors. Before that,[who knows]?"

98.81.133.55 (talk) 17:41, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Are paradoxes in scope?
I noticed this addition. If paradoxes are within scope for this list, there are quite a few which can be added. If not, then this and the two others on this list should be removed. Paradoctor (talk) 15:52, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Paradoxes should not be added here; the Paradox article is probably more appropriate. Reify-tech (talk) 20:45, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

"A list of eponymous laws: a list that is never long enough." Is this an oxymoronic one, or just paradoxical? Paradoctor (talk) 13: 06, 19 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.193.80 (talk)

Bernoulli's principle
Bernoulli's principle is not listed here, and I don't see a reason it shouldn't be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric3815 (talk • contribs) 08:25, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Correct casing of eponymous laws?
Can someone tell me the reason why eponymous laws, theorems, effects, etc. are not be formatted in title case? I don't understand the rule for this. To add to the confusion, Godwin's law includes a synonym Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies written in title case. Thanks for the guidance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.147.60.123 (talk) 16:16, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Crocker's Rules
Lee Daniel Crocker.

Don't know if this one is applicable or not. -- œ ™ 11:07, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Kryder's law
Not sure about this one. According to an AfD on it a while back this "law" was actually firstly coined by a Wikipedia article. I think adding it may set a bad precedent where we are reinforcing WP:CIRCULAR referencing yet it does still qualify to be listed here does it not? -- œ ™ 04:44, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Reed's rules
Another one I'm kind've hesitant to add. Apparently there's also another "Reed's rules" at Thomas Brackett Reed. -- œ ™ 02:30, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Category anyone ?
Wow, just read the archive on the Poe's Law debate. What a lot of hot air just to rush/delay the inevitable. I suspect some kooks and trolls were involved in the debate (no smiley).

Now to my point, the word eponymous I first saw on this list page and was quite tickled and have had quite some fun following links and learning great wisdom. My difficulty is that when I send people to a wiki page for an eponymous law I wish they could also find and enjoy this list, after looking a while it seems that nothing will show up in the footer or source to indicate inclusion in this list. For me the word eponymous seems to suffer from some sort of aphasic (had to look that word up as well again) block so I have had trouble finding the list again myself. Just today I thought to use the What links here button so that is me sorted as this list is one of the visited links near the top.

Now what about other people who do not know that this list exists but are reading an eponymous law page on WikiPedia?

Would it make any sense to mirror this information in a category and make maintaining the list perhaps even easier by having new laws pushed into the listed page section (by editors adding tags when new pages are created) and keeping this part with the descriptions where available as the the page body? - Idyllic press (talk) 21:39, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

I think Idyllic's idea is excellent. RedHouse18 13:12, 31 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedHouse18 (talk • contribs)

 * Seems it was done before but then got deleted --Hooperbloob (talk) 06:54, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

OZI rule
"... a consequence of quantum chromodynamics (QCD), that explains why certain decay modes appear less frequently than otherwise might be expected. It was independently proposed by Susumu Okubo, George Zweig and Jugoro Iizuka in the 1960s."

Wasn't sure on adding this one. -- œ ™ 07:43, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Loftus's Laws
Another one. Not certain. -- œ ™ 05:51, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Recommend adding von Babo's law
Recommend adding a link to von Babo's law, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Babo%27s_law 68.35.173.107 (talk) 07:25, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

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Rebner's Law
Anything done to simplify anything will raise the matter to a higher lever of complexity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.144.111.132 (talk) 03:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Darwin Award
Should Darwin Awards be included on this list, or is there more suitable list (similar to this one) where Darwin Awards should be listed on? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Testman42 (talk • contribs) 15:33, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Minchin's Law
Came across this one but not so sure about it's suitability for addition. Will leave it up to the community. -- œ ™ 03:46, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Seems legit to me, so I added it. We can always remove it if it turns out it wasn't. Paradoctor (talk) 13:41, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Turns out it wasn't. -- œ ™ 07:04, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Mandela Effect
I noticed that this phenomenon (which seems to be widely discussed nowadays) is not actually part of this list. Is it suitable to be added? NightmareSnake (talk) 18:02, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I would say no, it is not. -- œ ™ 16:55, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

TenPoundHammer's Law
Can we add this to See Also? Another Wiki User the 2nd (talk) 15:21, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

 * Add what? the above is a red link to a page that doesn't exist. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:37, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

 * only because AWU2 used ’ instead of '; I've corrected it. Anyway, I think an appendix of Wikipedia eponymous "laws" (actually guidelines or even just recommendations) should be employed and hatlinked from this article. None of them are likely to be notable enough to be mentioned in a main namespace article. Arlo James Barnes 01:03, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Are there other eponymous "laws" in the Wikipedia namespace, aside from TenPoundHammer's Law ? If there are more than a few, then I agree with Arlo James Barnes, and a hatlink or "see also" from this page to some new WP:eponymous_laws page would be reasonable.  Chumpih. (talk) 12:08, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

 * So far, I have found a few such laws by using control-F on CAT:E.50.206.151.146 (talk) 17:27, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

El-Sayed rule
An other iffy one. Not sure whether to add. -- œ ™ 08:08, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see a problem with it if you can explain in a few words in layman's terms. Why do you consider it iffy? Sundayclose (talk) 16:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * LOL, I don't think i'd be able to explain that in any terms understandable to a layman. -- œ ™ 08:16, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you can explain it better than I can. I think a brief explanation about what it concerns will be OK. That's the way many entries are described. Sundayclose (talk) 14:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The words on the rule appear to have been mostly created by either inactive users or IP addresses around 2008 blame, but there's one active contributor who may be up to the task of coming up with a pithy, one-line, intelligible form of words to capture the El-Sayed rule. Chumpih. (talk) 01:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC).  Made a request  here. Chumpih. (talk) 05:55, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * And thanks to we now have an entry. Chumpih. (talk) 10:53, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Cole's law
This page mentions Cole's Law, which is obviously a pun on coleslaw, and as such also links to it. Should this be removed?
 * Removed. Vandalism. Sundayclose (talk) 20:04, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

 * I'm going to add this entry back with the qualifier that it's not a real law, but a long running joke by scientists and writers. I've found a source that shows the joke being used since at least the late 1970s. While it doesn't meet WP:GNG for its own article, I think that the fact that it's been written about in multiple sources for decades shows it merits inclusion. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 13:06, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * If there are justifications, then do please cite them. In the absence of sourcing, it should probably be removed.  Chumpih  t 14:58, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Check the sourcing in the webpage I linked. It includes citations from 3 published books as well as New Scientist and New York magazine. While they may just qualify as passing mentions, I think they demonstrate the persistence of the "law" even as a joke. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 15:30, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the source. Was thinking cite could go next to the line in the article. But not convinced the entry should stay.  Chumpih  t 15:36, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

I am disputing this entry. This is a list of actual laws, not jokes. The description in the lead doesn't include jokes. If we open the flood gates to joke entries, they could be endless because vandals like to add jokes to Wikipedia. It's irrelevant that it's sourced. Sources are required but not necessarily sufficient on Wikipedia. If someone wants to create a page of joke laws, be my guest, although I doubt that it survives. Secondly, it's not named after a person. Cole's law has been added a couple of times in the past, and immediately removed. That makes it the WP:IMPLICITCONSENSUS to not add it. This requires consensus to restore, per WP:BRD. Sundayclose (talk) 17:23, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

 * I won't restore it without consensus to avoid any edit warring, but I did want to be Bold and add it with a real source (something that I had not seen in the history of the article) to try and start the WP:BRD cycle with a fresh perspective. I disagree with the slippery slope argument that allowing Cole's law would open the floodgates to joke entries from vandals. Vandals usually don't add entries that have any sourcing, let alone print published sources. There are list entries such as Newton's flaming laser sword which also could be considered jokes (or at least facetious), but they have proper sourcing to back them up. Although the "law" doesn't actually have a name of a real person attached to it, it's clearly intended to be grouped into the same category by the sources that write about it.
 * While I can't establish consensus by myself, I want to at least point out that sources exist for the entry and allow other editors to decide whether it should be included. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 18:17, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, a reliable source is necessary but not sufficient. I understated the "flood gates" comment. Non-vandals also would be encouraged to make joke entries. Newton's flaming laser sword goes by another name, Alder's razor, that is not a joke and is named after a person. Even the laws that are humorous are actual laws that are named after a person; "Cole's law" is not an actual law, it's just a play on the word "coleslaw". Feel free to challenge any entry that is not an actual law. Thanks for your comments, but please wait for consensus. Sundayclose (talk) 19:52, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

 * If it is not notable enough for its own article or at least a mention in some article, then it is probably not notable enough for this list. Searching around the internet, I see the joke is made as often as any other dad joke, but I see no evidence of cultural impact. If that were the case there would be pundits commenting about that impact. See MOS:CULTURALREFS for policy guidance. That is a joke does not exclude it this from the list, however I oppose inclusion due to lack of cultural significance. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 03:51, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * My point is not that it is humorous. Many of the laws in the list are humorous. It's does not belong in the list because, unlike the other entries, it is not an actual law. It is simply a play on words. Sundayclose (talk) 04:00, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, the law is that it is thinly sliced cabbage. If it not thinly sliced cabbage, then it does not fit Cole's Law nor is it fit coleslaw. But jokes aside, I see your point and it is a good point, but that is an interpretation of both what Cole's Law is and what should or should not be considered a law. If this was the deciding point of its inclusion, I would be neutral as I do not want to be in a discussion like that. However, the point is moot. The joke is made a few times and a few laughs were had (and eye-rolls made), but not enough for anyone to comment about it as a phenomenon. This lack of cultural significance is a criteria set in policy and is more clear cut then the semantics of the item and the article's lead. Are you going to continue to argue about this because, while I am agreeing with you about not including it, I am not agreeing with you for your reason, but not really disagreeing either? Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:57, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with your comment that it has no cultural significance in any case. But I make an additional point that it is not a law. "Thinly sliced cabbage" is a definition, not a law. A law describes relationships between things and explains principles and relationships. Even the humorous items in the list explain some type of relationship (i.e., prerequisite conditions and the outcome produced by those relationships). Cole's law has no prerequisite conditions, relationships, or outcomes from those conditions and relationships. It is a play on words and a definition of a food, thus is not a "law". We could facetiously create dozens of so called "laws" that are simply words (e.g., Stanis law: Polish mathematician). So as I see it, the item does not belong in the article for multiple reasons. But I'm fine if we can agree to disagree on whether it is a law and simply agree that Cole's law has no reason to be in the list. Sundayclose (talk) 14:51, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Finagle's Law
Worth adding? The page is 'start class', perhaps. Chumpih. (talk) 01:17, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * No. The key word here is eponymous. The law is not named for someone named Finagle. Sundayclose (talk) 01:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Makes perfect sense. Chumpih. (talk) 01:44, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That said, I see Finagle gets a mention under Hanlon's law.Chumpih. (talk) 11:32, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Split the list into two - more and less famous?
A proposal: we split this list into two sections, with the more common, famous, recognisable laws on the 'A' list, and a 'B' list for the more obscure, domain-specific ones. Split or keep as one? Chumpih. (talk) 20:17, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Remove references to the people the laws are named after?
I notice that about 40% of the entries call out the person whom the law is named for:

> Anderson's rule is used for the construction of energy band diagrams of the heterojunction between two semiconductor materials. Named for R. L. Anderson.

... but more do not:

> Ashby's law of requisite variety, that the number of states in a control mechanism must be greater than or equal to the number of states in the system it controls.

Every single entry references a specific Wikipedia article, so it's easy to find out who each entry is named for (in the unlikely case that "XXXX's Law" isn't named after "XXXX"). Given that this is a pretty long article, I would suggest that (in most cases) the "Named for" tag lines aren't useful and should be removed.

Thoughts? -- Dan Griscom (talk) 01:45, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think removing the names would accomplish very much. Most entries aren't more than one line on most computer screens, so if by "pretty long article" you mean how much we scroll down to get to the bottom, I think that's negligible. I don't think the number of bytes that make up the article is particularly important, since this is not a print encyclopedia. Sometimes when the "named for" person is mentioned, it's useful information to some readers because it gives the reader a choice to read more about the law or more about the person, or both. If I see Boyle's law and want to read about the person instead of the law, I can just click on Robert Boyle and not have to go the the article about the law, find the link to Boyle, and then click it. Some list article are long by their nature. Within reason we should favor making more information easily available over how long the article is. Sundayclose (talk) 02:29, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree with . The convenience of the name outweighs the issue of clutter, IMHO.  Chumpih  t 09:19, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Gilb's law(s) ?
Should the list include Gilb's law(s) of computer reliability ? - Computers are unreliable, but humans are even more unreliable

I have seen it about like other computer dystopian principles, but it's not as famous as Brooks law

I've also seen it as part of a set, as the first of Gilb's laws -- and I'm thinking this page may want to avoid lists
 * Gilb's Laws of Unreliability : Computers are unreliable, but humans are even more unreliable.
 * Gilb's Laws of Unreliability Corollary : At the source of every error which is blamed on the computer you will find at least two human errors, including the error of blaming it on the computer.
 * Gilb's Laws of Unreliability : Any system which depends on human reliability is unreliable.
 * Gilb's Laws of Unreliability : The only difference between the fool and the criminal who attacks a system is that the fool attacks unpredictably and on a broader front.
 * Gilb's Laws of Unreliability : A system tends to grow in terms of complexity rather than of simplification, until the resulting unreliability becomes intolerable.
 * Gilb's Laws of Unreliability : Self-checking systems tend to have a complexity in proportion to the inherent unreliability of the system in which they are used.
 * Gilb's Laws of Unreliability : The error-detection and correction capabilities of any system will serve as the key to understanding the type of errors which they cannot handle.
 * Gilb's Laws of Unreliability : Undetectable errors are infinite in variety, in contrast to detectable errors, which by definition are limited.
 * Gilb's Laws of Unreliability : All real programs contain errors until proved otherwise -- which is impossible.

And: All real programs contain errors until proved otherwise -- which is impossible

Opinions ?

Cheers Markbassett (talk) 15:50, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * See my comments about Golub's law. Sundayclose (talk) 22:56, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Golub's laws of computerdom ?
Any interest in adding Golub's four laws of computerdom ?

 * Fuzzy project objectives are used to avoid the embarassment of estimating the corresponding costs
 * A carelessly planned project takes three times loonger to complet than expected; a carefully planned project takes only twice as long.
 * The effort required to correct course increases geometrically with time
 * Project teams detest weekly progress reporting because it so vividly manifests their lack of progress.

Reportedly in 1974 at Data Management magazine there was a longer list

 * Law 1: No major IT projects are ever completed on time, within budget, with the same staff that started it, nor does the project do what it is supposed to do. It :is highly unlikely that yours will be the first.
 * Law 2: One of the advantages of fuzzy project objectives is that they let you avoid embarrassment in estimating the corresponding costs.
 * Law 3: The effort required to straighten out a project increases geometrically with time.
 * Law 4: The objectives understood by the person who sets them up will be seen differently by everyone else.
 * Law 5: Only measurable benefits are real. Intangible benefits are not measurable. Thus intangible benefits are not real.
 * Law 6: Anyone who can work on a project part-time certainly does not have enough to do at the moment.
 * Law 7: The greater the project's technical complexity, the less you need a technician to manage it: find the best manager possible, he will find the technician.
 * Law 8: A carelessly planned project will take three times as long. A carefully planned project will only take twice as long.
 * Law 9: If there is a risk that something goes wrong, it will go wrong.
 * Law 10: When the project is going well, something will go wrong. When things seem to go better, it means that you leave something out.
 * Law 11: Project teams detest weekly progress reporting because it so vividly manifests their lack of progress.
 * Law 12: Projects progress rapidly until they are 90 percent complete. Then they remain 90 percent complete forever.:
 * Law 13: If project content is allowed to change freely, the rate of change exceeds the rate of progress.
 * Law 14: If a user does not believe in the system, he will create a parallel system. Neither system will work very well.

Opinions ?

Cheers Markbassett (talk) 16:05, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * If you open an edit window, you'll see this prominently displayed throughout the article: "A new entry must have a clear Wikilink to an existing article which is notable and which has adequate third-party references, or it will be deleted.". So unless you can write the article according to Wikipedia's standards of notability and reliable sourcing, don't add it to the list. And if you want to write an article, you'll have a tough time finding reliable sources. Googling "Golub's four laws" yields a grand total of one hit, and that's to a personal website, which cannot be used as a reliable source. Sundayclose (talk) 17:49, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

St. Robert's / Vieille's Law
An empirical expression for the burning rate of solid rocket propellant chemical engines. Mostly I just want to know who it's named for and why. 2001:56B:9FFE:36F4:0:48:F5C5:CF01 (talk) 16:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mitchell's Law

Mitchell's Law
A search of Google turned several aphorism's goimg under the name of Mitchell's Law. My favorite is: Everyone should have an Android Agent. This particular one doesn't show, however. Dsmdgold 17:46, Oct 15, 2004 (UTC)

Keep. It's a good law.
 * Delete unless widespread usage can be demonstrated. Google searches:
 * "You do more things right by accident than you do on purpose": 0 results.
 * "more things right by accident" "on purpose": 0 results.
 * "If you're not doing anything right, you're trying too hard": 0 results.
 * "Robert F. Mitchell" "Erie, Pennsylvania": 0 results.
 * "Mitchell's Law" right accident: 14 results, none related to this subject.  —Triskaideka 19:50, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * D Good law, but evidently shouldn't be filed under its current title. Chris 01:13, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, but not on purpose. (So whose "law" is it that the other lane always moves faster?  Is it someone's "law" that when she says it's not you, it's her, that it's really you?)  (Sorry if this is the cynical view of the world.)  Geogre 01:35, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Move to Talk:Mitchell's Law unless an external link to a respectable verifiable source defining the law is linked to in the article. anthony (see warning) 16:57, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)


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Ptelea

Ptelea is a genus of flowering plants in the citrus family, Rutaceae. The name, of Greek derivation, is the classical name of the elm tree. Carl Linnaeus used that word for this genus because of the resemblance of its fruit to that of the elm. Members of the genus are commonly known as hoptrees.

Species

 * Ptelea aptera Parry — Baja Californian ptelea (wingless ptelea)
 * Ptelea crenulata Greene — California hoptree
 * Ptelea trifoliata L. — common hoptree
 * Ptelea trifoliata subsp. angustifolia (Benth.) V.L.Bailey
 * Ptelea trifoliata subsp. coahuilensis (Greene) V.L.Bailey
 * Ptelea trifoliata f. fastigiata (Bean) Rehder
 * Ptelea trifoliata subsp. pallida (Greene) V.L.Bailey
 * Ptelea trifoliata subsp. polyadenia (Greene) V.L.Bailey
 * Ptelea trifoliata f. pubescens (Pursh) Voss
 * Ptelea trifoliata subsp. trifoliata

Formerly placed here

 * Cliftonia monophylla (Lam.) Britton ex Sarg. (as P. monophylla Lam. )
 * Dodonaea viscosa subsp. angustifolia (L.f.) J.G.West (as P. viscosa L. )

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SS Bremen (1928)

SS Bremen was a German-built ocean liner constructed for the Norddeutscher Lloyd line (NDL) to work the transatlantic sea route. Launched in 1928, Bremen was notable for her high-speed engines and low, streamlined profile. At the time of her construction, she and her sister ship SS Europa (1928) were the two most advanced high-speed steam turbine ocean liners of their day. The German pair sparked an international competition in the building of large, fast, luxurious ocean liners that were national symbols and points of prestige during the pre-war years of the 1930s. She held the Blue Riband, and was the fourth ship of NDL to carry the name Bremen.

History
Also known as TS Bremen – for Turbine Ship – Bremen and her sister were designed to have a cruising speed of 27.5 kn, allowing a crossing time of five days. This speed enabled Norddeutscher Lloyd to run regular weekly crossings with two ships, a feat that normally required three. It was claimed that Bremen briefly reached speeds of 32 kn during her sea trials.

Design and construction
Bremen was built by the new German shipbuilding company Deutsche Schiff- und Maschinenbau. She was built from 7,000 tons of high-strength steel of 52 kg/m2 (500 N/m2), allowing a weight saving of some 800 tons on the structure. She was also the first commercial ship to be designed with the Taylor bulbous bow, though bulbous bows of different types had appeared on earlier merchant vessels, such as SS Malolo of 1926. She was launched at Bremen during the afternoon of Thursday, 16 August 1928 by President Paul von Hindenburg, only one day after the launch of her sister ship SS Europa (1930) at Hamburg. SS Bremen and her sister ship Europa were considered for their time as the most modern liners in the world. The high speeds and the comfort and luxury level on board made high demands of technical personnel. Each ship required an engineering crew of some 170 men.

As on her sister ship Europa, Bremen had a catapult on the upper deck between the two funnels with a small seaplane, which facilitated faster mail service. The airplane was launched from the ship several hours before arrival, landing at the seaplane base in Blexen.

The boiler and the machine equipment were designed by Professor Dr. Gustav Bauer. Bremen had four airtight boiler rooms. The combustion air for the oil burners of the boilers was blown into the boiler rooms by eight steam turbine blowers. The resulting positive pressure meant that the boiler rooms were accessible only through airlocks. The steam was generated in 20 oil-fired water tube boilers, eleven double-enders and nine single-enders in four banks fired by a total of 227 oil burners. The operating pressure was 23 atm = 24 bar with a steam temperature at the superheater discharge of 370 C. The maximum steam generating capacity was 500 tons/h. For harbour operation three boilers with their own blower were available, so that during work periods the main boiler airlocks could remain open. The total heating surface amounted to 17050 m2, the superheater surface 3875 m2 and the air preheater surface 8786 m2. The feed water was preheated to 130 C and the fuel oil consumption was 33 tons/h or 380 g/HP/h or 800 tons/day, fed from oil bunkers with a capacity of 7,552 tons.

SS Bremen had four geared steam turbines that could generate approximately 135000 shp. Each of them had a high pressure, a medium pressure, low pressure and a reverse turbine. In reverse, 65% of the forward power was available. At cruise speed the turbines made 1800 rpm while the propellers made 180 rpm for a power output of 84000 shp. The four propellers were bronze and had a diameter of 5000 mm, pitch of 5200 mm and weighed 17 tons each. The 230 V electric power on the ship came from four diesel generators with a total output of 520 kW. On board, there were total of 420 electric motors, approximately 21,000 lamps, electric cookers and 20 elevators.

Blue Riband
Bremen was to have made her maiden transatlantic crossing in the company of her sister Europa, but Europa suffered a serious fire during fitting-out, so Bremen crossed solo, departing Bremerhaven for New York City under the command of Commodore Leopold Ziegenbein on 16 July 1929. She arrived four days, 17 hours, and 42 minutes later, capturing the westbound Blue Riband from RMS Mauretania (1906) with an average speed of 27.83 kn.

This voyage also marked the first time mail was carried by a ship-launched plane for delivery before the ship's arrival. A Heinkel HE 12 floatplane, flown by 27-year-old Luft Hansa pilot Baron Jobst von Studnitz, was launched at sea twenty miles east of Fire Island with 11,000 pieces of mail in six mailbags weighing 220 lb which it delivered to New York many hours before the ship docked at the North German-Lloyd pier at the foot of 58th Street in Brooklyn. On the return passage to Germany Bremen took the eastbound Blue Riband with a time of 4 days 14 hours and 30 minutes and an average speed of 27.91 kn, the first time a liner had broken two records on her first two passages. The mailplane was launched on the eastbound voyage in the English Channel near Cherbourg carrying 18,000 letters to Bremerhaven where it delivered the mail many hours ahead of the ship's arrival. Bremen lost the westbound Blue Riband to her sister Europa in 1930, and the eastbound Blue Riband to Italian SS Rex in 1932.

Before World War II
As Nazism gained power in Germany, Bremen and her pier in New York were often the site of Anti-Nazi demonstrations. On 26 July 1935 a group of anti-Nazi demonstrators, later dubbed "The Bremen Six", boarded Bremen just before she sailed and tore the Nazi flag from the jackstaff and tossed it into the Hudson River. At the time there was a dual flag law, by which both the black-white-red horizontal tricolor (previously the flag of the German Empire), and the swastika flag were simultaneously official national flags of Germany. As the ship's swastika flag was the one tossed into the river, US authorities claimed that no symbol of Germany had been harmed.

On 15 September 1935 Germany changed its flag law, removing the status of the black-white-red flag of imperial Germany, lest it be used by reactionaries. The Nazis on coming to power had used it as a co-national flag to replace the black-red-gold flag of the Weimar Republic.

Bremen started her South America cruise on 11 February 1939, and was the first ship of this size to traverse the Panama Canal. On 22 August 1939, she began her last voyage to New York. After ten years of service, she had almost 190 transatlantic voyages completed.

World War II
On 26 August 1939, in anticipation of the invasion of Poland, the Kriegsmarine high command ordered all German merchant ships to head to German ports immediately. Bremen was on a westbound crossing and two days from New York when she received the order. Bremen's captain decided to continue to New York to disembark her 1,770 passengers. She left New York without passengers on 30 August 1939 and on 1 September, coincident with the start of the Second World War, she was ordered to make for the Russian port of Murmansk. Underway, her crew painted the ship grey for camouflage. She made use of bad weather and high speed to avoid Royal Navy cruisers, arriving in Murmansk on 6 September 1939. With the outbreak of the Winter War between Finland and the Soviet Union, on 10 December 1939 Bremen made a dash to Bremerhaven, arriving on 13 December. On the way she was sighted and challenged by the S-class submarine HMS Salmon (N65). A Dornier Do 18 seaplane escorting Bremen forced Salmon to dive for safety. Salmon's commander, Lieutenant Commander E. O. Bickford, decided not to torpedo the liner because he believed she was not a legal target. His decision not to fire on Bremen likely delayed the start of unrestricted submarine warfare.

Bremen was used as a barracks ship; there were plans to use her as a transport in Operation Sea Lion, the intended invasion of Great Britain.

Fate
On 16 March 1941, Bremen was set alight by 14-year-old crew member Walter Schmidt while at her dock in Bremerhaven and completely gutted. A lengthy investigation discovered that the arson resulted from revenge stemming from a ship's officer who had punished him for not completing his assignment, not an act of war. Schmidt was later guillotined for the arson, becoming one of the youngest people to be judicially executed by the regime at age 15.

Starting in 1942 she was dismantled to the waterline so the steel could be used for munitions. In 1946 her remains were towed up the River Weser, beached on a sandbar off Blexen, Nordenham and destroyed by explosives, though some parts of the double hull remained as of 2012.

Legacy

In 2004, a stamp was issued showing  Bremen  before the Manhattan skyline.

In 2003, Radio Bremen produced a one-hour radio feature, Königin der Meere – Die Geschichte des Schnelldampfers "Bremen" (Queen of the Seas - The story of the rapid steamer "Bremen") by Detlef Michelers and other former sailors on Bremen.

In the stairwell in the Übersee Museum Bremen, there is a 1:100 scale model of Bremen, while in the shipping exhibit there is a model of her significantly smaller earlier namesake to the same scale. A much larger, 39-foot long model of the Bremen, known officially as Bremen IV, Junior, was built between 1949 and 1962 by enthusiasts Günter Bos and Günter Buse. The 10-ton model, operated by a two-person crew inside, would tour the world, and achieve a Guinness World Record for largest seaworthy model ship. It currently resides at Technik Museum Speyer.

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San Martiño

San Martiño (Saint Martin) is a small island off the north coast of Galician, Spain, at the mouth of the Sor river and the beginning of Ría (estuary) of O Barqueiro.

It is formed from a meander of the Sor river.

The island belongs to the parish of As Negradas, municipality of O Vicedo.

History
The island had a Celtic settlement (Castro) on the hill in the middle of the island. This settlement is called "Cova dos Mouros" by the local people.

During the Middle Ages there was a Benedictine convent that lasted until the 15th century, Maria Vizoso being its last prioress.

It was a fertile, well-cultivated soil. Nowadays it is the island with the most forest mass (eucalyptus) in all of Europe.

title: San Martiño


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Category:CPU sockets

This category covers CPU sockets and slots found on motherboards.

title: Category:CPU sockets


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High Accuracy Radial Velocity Planet Searcher

The High Accuracy Radial Velocity Planet Searcher (HARPS) is a high-precision echelle planet-finding spectrograph installed in 2002 on the ESO's 3.6m telescope at La Silla Observatory in Chile. The first light was achieved in February 2003. HARPS has discovered over 130 exoplanets to date, with the first one in 2004, making it the most successful planet finder behind the Kepler space observatory. It is a second-generation radial-velocity spectrograph, based on experience with the ELODIE and CORALIE instruments.

Characteristics
The HARPS can attain a precision of 0.97 m/s (3.5 km/h), making it one of only two instruments worldwide with such accuracy. This is due to a design in which the target star and a reference spectrum from a thorium lamp are observed simultaneously using two identical optic fibre feeds, and to careful attention to mechanical stability: the instrument sits in a vacuum vessel which is temperature-controlled to within 0.01 kelvins. The precision and sensitivity of the instrument is such that it incidentally produced the best available measurement of the thorium spectrum. Planet-detection is in some cases limited by the seismic pulsations of the star observed rather than by limitations of the instrument.

The principal investigator on the HARPS is Michel Mayor who, along with Didier Queloz and Stéphane Udry, have used the instrument to characterize the Gliese 581 planetary system, home to one of the smallest known exoplanets orbiting a normal star, and two super-Earths whose orbits lie in the star's habitable zone.

It was initially used for a survey of one-thousand stars.

Since October 2012 the HARPS spectrograph has the precision to detect a new category of planets: habitable super-Earths. This sensitivity was expected from simulations of stellar intrinsic signals, and actual observations of planetary systems. Currently, the HARPS can detect habitable super-Earth only around low-mass stars as these are more affected by gravitational tug from planets and have habitable zones close to the host star.

Discoveries
This is an incomplete list of exoplanets discovered by the HARPS. The list is sorted by the date of the discovery's announcement. As of December 2017, the list contains 134 exoplanets.


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Shonan Bellmare

Shonan Bellmare (湘南ベルマーレ) is a Japanese professional football club based in Hiratsuka, in the west of Kanagawa Prefecture, part of the Greater Tokyo Area. The club plays in the J1 League, which is the top tier of football in the country. Their home stadium is Hiratsuka Athletics Stadium. Shonan refers to a coastal area along Sagami Bay that includes Hiratsuka. Bellmare is a portmanteau of the Italian words bello and mare, meaning "beautiful sea".

Early years as corporate team (1968–1992)
The club was founded in 1968 as "Towa Real Estate SC" in Nasu, Tochigi. They were promoted to the Japan Soccer League (JSL) Division 1 in 1972. They changed their name to "Fujita Kogyo SC" when Towa Estate Development gave up the ownership to their parent company Fujita Industries, which moved the club to Hiratsuka.

They won the JSL three times (including two doubles with the Emperor's Cup) between 1977 and 1981. They were nevertheless relegated to the JSL's Division 2 in 1990. Although they won the last JSL Division 2 season in 1991–92, the professionalization and formation of the J.League meant they did not meet the new top flight league's criteria and the runners-up, Kashima Antlers (formerly Sumitomo), were promoted instead.

1993: JFL
In 1993, they adopted new name "Shonan Bellmare". Their application to the J.League Associate membership was accepted. They played in the former Japan Football League Division 1 and won the league championship. After Hiratsuka City Council committed to finance the refurbishment of the Hiratsuka Stadium to meet the J.League requirements, J.League accepted the club.

1994–1997: Golden era

The club was forced to change their name to Bellmare Hiratsuka because J.League required the participants to designate only one city or town as their hometown and include its name in the club names at that time. The club initially struggled to cope with the J.League opponents and finished 11th out of 12 in the first stage of the 1994 season. However, they came back in the second stage and finished 2nd. With this momentum, the club won the 1994–1995 Emperor's Cup. This title qualified Bellmare for the 1996 Asian Cup Winners' Cup, which they won by beating Iraq's Al Talaba in the final. Hidetoshi Nakata joined the team in 1995 and they also successfully recruited Brazilian-born Wagner Lopes and influential Korean international Hong Myung-bo. This is arguably the most successful period of the club.

1998–1999: Difficult period
Four Bellmare players were selected for the 1998 FIFA World Cup. They were Nakata, Lopes, Hong (for South Korea) and a goalkeeper Nobuyuki Kojima. However, as Nakata left for Italian club Perugia just after the World Cup, the club's fortune started to decline. The main sponsor Fujita decided to discontinue the financial support in 1999 due to their own financial difficulties. It forced the club to release some highly paid players including Lopes, Hong and Kojima. They finished bottom of J1 in 1999 and were relegated to J2.

2000–2009: J2 League
The club made a new start. The ownership was transferred to a community-owned organisation. They also changed their name to Shonan Bellmare as J.League allowed them to enlarge their designated hometowns to include several cities and towns surrounding Hiratsuka. The club's performance on the pitch has not been strong and they have not been serious contenders for the promotion to J1 so far.

A J1 comeback in 2010, if they are able to achieve promotion, will be the first without Fujita as their sponsor. Although for a time they refused to consider their history as the championship-winning Fujita corporate team in their current history, this year they celebrated the club's 40-year anniversary in 2009 as deduced from the badge in their Web site.

On 5 December 2009, Shonan returned to J1 as third-place finishers in 2009 seasons.

2010–present: Return to J1 League
The club returned to the J1 in 2010, but injured one after another and J2 was relegated after leaving four games. In the end, he won 21 consecutive league games. It was the worst record of J1 at that time. After that, the team will be repeatedly demoted to J2 and promoted to J1.

In recent years, the team has been steadily emphasizing. In 2014, the team made good progress in the J2, winning 14 consecutive games from the opening. The team was defeated by Ehime FC in the 15th round, but after that they lost 21 battles. J1 automatic promotion is confirmed. As a result, he won the J2 with 31 wins, 8 draws, 3 losses and 101 points in the 2014 season. In 2016, in the J1, Shonan Bellmare was the final result in 8th place, and it was the first time for J1 to remain in history. In addition, at the EAFF E-1 Football Championship 2015 held in August, Wataru Endo, who was on the team at the time, participated as a representative of Japan. In 2018, won the J.League Cup. It was the first time for Shonan Bellmare to win three major titles since winning the 74th Emperor's Cup in the Bellmare Hiratsuka.

On the operational side, there was some report that the club fell into excess debt of more than 100 million yen in February 2012, and in the worst case the club itself could be dissolved (the actual amount of excess debt was 82.68 million yen). However, the debt insolvency was resolved by two capital increases. In April 2018, SANEI ARCHITECTURE PLANNING, which was the largest shareholder of Shonan Bellmare, established "Merudia RIZAP Shonan Sports Partners" in collaboration with RIZAP GROUP. The new company acquired a 50% stake in Shonan Bellmare. RIZAP GROUP intends to invest 1 billion yen in Bellmare over the next three years.

Rivalries
Historically the Shonan area was part of a pre-modern province, Sagami Province, whereas Yokohama and Kawasaki were part of Musashi Province, hence Bellmare's intraprefectural rivalries with Yokohama F. Marinos, Yokohama FC and Kawasaki Frontale are based on the hard-working port cities of South Musashi as opposed to the more laid-back attitude of Sagami.

Affiliated clubs
The following clubs are currently affiliated with Shonan Bellmare:
 * Davao Aguilas (2022–2024)
 * Boeung Ket (2022–2026)
 * 🇮🇳 Sudeva Delhi (2022–2026)
 * 🇹🇭 Nongbua Pitchaya (2022–2026)
 * 🇨🇳 Wuhan Three Towns (2022–2030)
 * 🇱🇦 FC Chanthabouly (2022–2028)
 * Kelantan Darul Naim (2022–2030)
 * Persis Solo (2024–2038)
 * 🇮🇹 Inter Milan (2024–2038)
 * 🇮🇹 SS Lazio (2024–2038)
 * 🇩🇪 Borussia Dortmund (2024–2038)
 * 🏴 Wolverhampton Wanderers (2024–2025)

Current squad
As of 16 July 2024.

Honours
As Towa / Fujita (until 1992); Bellmare Hiratsuka (1993–1999) and Shonan Bellmare (2000–present)

Record as J.League member

 * Key
 * Pos. = Position in league; P = Games played; W = Games won; D = Games drawn; L = Games lost; F = Goals scored; A = Goals conceded; GD = Goals difference; Pts = Points gained
 * Attendance/G = Average home league attendance
 * OTW / PKW = Overtime wins / Penalty kicks wins 1997 & 1998 seasons - 1999, 2000, 2001 & 2002 Overtime wins only
 * OTL / PKL = Overtime losses / Penalty kicks losses 1997 and 1998 seasons - 1999, 2000 & 2001 Overtime losses only
 * † 2020 & 2021 seasons attendances were reduced by COVID-19 worldwide pandemic
 * Source: J.League Data Site

League history

 * Kanto Football League: 1970–71
 * Division 1 (Japan Soccer League Div. 1): 1972–89 (1972–74 as Towa Real Estate Development; 1975–89 as Fujita Industries)
 * Division 2 (Japan Soccer League Div. 2): 1990–91 (as Fujita Industries)
 * Division 2 (Japan Football League (former) Div. 1): 1992–93 (as Fujita Industries)
 * Division 1 (J.League Div. 1): 1994–99 (as Bellmare Hiratsuka)
 * Division 2 (J.League Div. 2): 2000–09 (as Shonan Bellmare)
 * Division 1 (J.League Div. 1): 2010
 * Division 2 (J.League Div. 2): 2011–12
 * Division 1 (J.League Div. 1): 2013
 * Division 2 (J.League Div. 2): 2014
 * Division 1 (J1 League): 2015–16
 * Division 2 (J2 League): 2017
 * Division 1 (J1 League): 2018–

Total (as of 2017): 28 seasons in the top tier, 18 seasons in the second tier and 2 seasons in the Regional Leagues.

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Talk:Apache POI

Name(s)
OK, there's one piece of information that this page could really do with: WTF does "POI" mean? acronymfinder has various suggestions, but none of them seem very likely to me. And for some reason, there appears to be no explanation on the project page itself. So, anyone have any ideas? - IMSoP 17:56, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I had to write the authors for this. They removed the explanations from the web pages for marketing reasons (apparently it is now used in a lot of large financial companies so the silly names didn't work)

 * POI stands in this case for "Poor Obfuscation Implementation" - apparently the authors could find no other reason for the file format to be structured the way it is other than to obfuscate it. Furthermore, the authors managed to crack it so they felt it was a "poor implementation" of obfuscation at that.  The other APIs under the project are also similarly named: Horrible SpreadSheet Format (HSSF), Horrible Word Processor Format (HWPF) and Horrible Property Set Format (HPSF). - Reboot

 * Wow, good research! Given that all official documents have been purged of this, I've added a note that is the origin of the name, and removed the statement implying it is the name. Obvously, we don't have to slavishly follow their squeamishness, but it seems pretty clear to me that "POI" is now the official name, and this is just another example of a name that was an acronym once. I've also added the explanation of why they were removed, since it's an interesting fact in its own right. - IMSoP 18:35, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Here is an old version of the POI site: http://web.archive.org/web/20041015142404/http://www.coyotesong.com/poi/ -Reboot

 * Seems like it's worth noting that they haven't expunged any rude remarks from their API docs:

http://poi.apache.org/apidocs/overview-summary.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.98.83.235 (talk) 15:00, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

HSSF not a very robust utility ?
I removed the comment on HSSF utility which was said to be Not a very robust utility and is notoriously finicky. First, it was not -based and seemed as Original Research to me. Second, we use at work POI 3.0 Alpha 1 for one year now to read Excel files generated by both EXCEL 8.0 and 11.0 (and parse their content) and write them back after modifications, and we never had any problems, even when specific fonts, foreground and background colors, and alignment stuff are used in the cells. Hervegirod 10:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

HSSF/POI is a cursed name at my company. It's seen as a necessary evil. Haven't used 3.0 Alpha 1 much, but a lot of times it would refuse to open the Excel file and you'd have to do stuff like make spaces in a blank cell, save it, and then clear the spaces and save it again. Also, as far as I know, it still won't open files with charts or filters. 209.2.118.14 (talk) 20:55, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What version do you use ? You really should try 3.0.2, it is even able to write EXCEL files with formulas. I think EXCEL support has improved a lot since 3.0. However I did not try to read EXCEL files with charts or filters. Hervegirod (talk) 11:16, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

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= More fun facts =

When I used to give talks on the project / APIs, I sometimes brought in actual poi. . It was disgusting and stank my dishwasher/dishes up for days. I stopped mainly because my wife really didn't like all of our dishes smelling disgusting. Andrew C. Oliver (founder) ;-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.147.199.228 (talk) 03:04, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

= XWPF support = According to http://poi.apache.org/hwpf/index.html there is a component XWPF available to support Word docx files. The article might be updated to describe the current state of development for reading docx files.

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Todd Replogle

Todd Jason Replogle (born 1969) is an American video game programmer best known as the co-creator of the Duke Nukem series. He wrote six 2D action games for MS-DOS released as shareware by Apogee Software between 1990 and 1993. This included Duke Nukem and Duke Nukem II, which were side-scrolling platform games.

Replogle worked as a programmer on a team of developers for Duke Nukem 3D, published in 1996. One of the first major 2.5D games following Doom, it used the Build engine by Ken Silverman.

After Duke Nukem 3D, Replogle started some technical experimentation into what would later become Duke Nukem Forever. He retired from the gaming industry in 1997. The last game Replogle was known to be working on was called "Mr. Fist". This was something he showed to 3D Realms, but it was never published.

Personal life
Replogle graduated from Soquel High School in Soquel, California as a member of the class of 1987. He lives with his wife Malisa and son Tyler in Chonburi, Thailand.

Games

 * Caves of Thor (1990)
 * Monuments of Mars (1991)
 * Dark Ages (1991)
 * Duke Nukem (1991)
 * Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure (1992)
 * Duke Nukem II (1993)
 * Duke Nukem 3D (1996)

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Pauline Polaire

Pauline Polaire (stage name of Giulietta Gozzi) was an Italian actress.

Giuletta Gozzi was born in Ravenna, Italy, on 30 June 1904. She was the niece of the Italian actress Hesperia, née Olga Mambelli. She died in Rome on 11 February 1986.

The similarity of her name with that of French actress Polaire has given rise to some confusion in their filmographies in sites specialized in cinema.

Filmography

 * 1918 : Leggerezza e castigo, by Gero Zambuto
 * 1920 : L'istinto, by Baldassarre Negroni
 * 1920 : Germoglio, by Torello Rolli
 * 1920 : La farina del diavolo, by Luigi Romano Borgnetto
 * 1920 : L'altro pericolo, by Baldassarre Negroni
 * 1921 : Il figlio di Madame Sans Gêne, by Baldassarre Negroni
 * 1921 : Un punto nero, by Augusto Genina
 * 1922 : La duchessa Mistero, by Baldassarre Negroni
 * 1922 : Il controllore dei vagoni letto, by Mario Almirante
 * 1923 : L'ora terribile, by Baldassarre Negroni
 * 1923 : La locanda delle ombre, by Baldassarre Negroni and Ivo Illuminati
 * 1923 : Un viaggio nell'impossibile, by Luciano Doria and Nunzio Malasomma
 * 1923 : Il capolavoro di Saetta, by Eugenio Perego
 * 1923 : Saetta contro la ghigliottina, by Émile Vardannes
 * 1923 : Le vie del mare, by Torello Rolli
 * 1924 : Treno di piacere, by Luciano Doria
 * 1924 : La taverna verde, by Luciano Doria
 * 1924 : Saetta impara a vivere, by Guido Brignone
 * 1924 : Maciste e il nipote d'America, by Eleuterio Rodolfi
 * 1924 : Caporal Saetta, by Eugenio Perego
 * 1925 : Maciste all'inferno by Guido Brignone : Graziella

title: Pauline Polaire


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Cellcom

Celcom or Cellcom may refer to:

 * Celcom, a Malaysian telecommunications company
 * Cellcom Communications, bell first dealer, a breakaway market leader of the wireless industry in Quebec
 * Cellcom (Israel), a cellular service provider in Israel
 * Cellcom (United States), a cellular service provider in Wisconsin, United States

title: Cellcom