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Talk:Japanophilia

Unintentional comedy
"Various cultures and peoples have gone through various periods of Japanophilia, for various reasons, throughout history. " I'd delete this piece of fatuous tripe myself, but that would require me logging in and it's not worth the keystrokes. However, substitute anything you like in place of Japanophilia, and amazingly, it will also be true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.249.71.254 (talk) 23:28, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

rename it to say weaboo217.24.21.126 (talk) 13:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
What the hell are you talking about? 24.19.92.89 (talk) 10:06, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

 * It's a slur popular on the Internet. 76.202.118.220 (talk) 03:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Learn2internet weeaboo.
 * Did someone say weaboo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.152.130 (talk) 13:18, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

The word "Weeabo" directs to this article, so some kind of explanation how and why it does that would be in place. I don't have a clue and came to this article trying to find out. --EzelMannen (talk) 10:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC) I agree. Call it weeaboo. MOAR WEABU TEARS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.132.74.129 (talk) 01:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Dubious

 * Article moved, Japanophile → Japanophilia

I oppose the move. Japanophilia is a dubious name for the article. Japanophile is more commonly used. Also, the cited dictionary source ("Webster Unabridged, 2002") has an entry for "Japanophile" but has no mention of "Japanophilia". "Japanophile" gets more Google counts, and is used more often, qualifying it as the article name per WP:NC. Please discuss and get consensus first, before making such a move.--Endroit (talk) 23:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I don't know that the issue should be of frequency of use. This seems to be a grammatical problem to me.  Do we name the article after the "condition" (Japanophilia), or the people who fall into that category (Japanophiles)?  Looking at other articles in Category:Cultural Enthusiasm it seems to be a mixed bag, but Category:Phobias lists only the condition.  Since a "philia" is the opposite of a phobia, and the phobia articles are named consistently, I think that all of the Cultural Enthusiasm articles should be named "-philia" as well (with redirects from "phile").  -Amake (talk) 23:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The people with the condition ("-phile") is the more significant phenomenom, hence it gets more Google counts. Right now, the only other "-philia" I see there in Category:Cultural Enthusiasm is Russophilia. Most of the other entries in Category:Cultural Enthusiasm seem to be "-phile" rather than "-philia".  And this article was Japanophile, until it was unilaterally moved.  So it would seem more standard to keep all these articles at "-phile" instead.--Endroit (talk) 00:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * "The people with the condition ("-phile") is the more significant phenomenom [sic], hence it gets more Google counts." — That's meaningless, since you can't have the phenomenon without the people. Frankly I don't feel that strongly one way or another, but if we're to take the phobia articles as a guide then clearly "-philia" is preferred.  (And by my count there are four "-philia"s in Category:Cultural Enthusiasm out of 17.)  -Amake (talk) 01:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Stop counting Google hits. Do proper research.  Your other reasons are completely specious.  So the name isn't the same as those in the other category.  Big deal.  We have plenty of categories where articles don't all have the same name.  And in any case, several of those articles are badly named,  too.  (Sinophile is one that is screamingly wrong.)  They could probably do with fixing like this one has been.  Why do you think that this article went for so long with rubbish/no sources?  Why do you think that the only citations that people have been coming up with were dictionaries?   (Indeed, why do you think that Sinophile hasn't had any sources added?)  It was in part because everyone was looking for the wrong thing, because the article had the wrong title.  The actual encyclopaedic subject is Japanophilia (and, indeed, Sinophilia).  Once one figures that out, sources are much easier to find. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 02:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * We name the article after the topic that it discusses. And what it discusses is Japanophilia.  Because that's what all of the sources that it is based upon are discussing.  They aren't discussing a Japanophile.  They are discussing the phenomenon of Japanophilia.  Just like pedophilia discusses the phenomenon of paedophilia, and isn't entitled "paedophile".  Come now!  Naming the article after the topic is basic stuff.  I suggest reading the article to see what it talks about.  It gives the name of the subject in the very first sentence.  Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 02:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've never heard/read the term "Japanophilia" until now, but I have heard/read "Japanophile" many, many times. I agree with Endroit that the most common should be where it is located, and I'm fine with Japanophilia redirecting to Japanophile. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What you've never heard of is neither here nor there. This is an encyclopaedia.  We don't base it around what people have heard of.  We use sources.  Go read the sources and read the article.  See what the actual encyclopedic subject is. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 02:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that "Japanophile" is probably more common than "Japanophilia", but simple analysis of the structure of the word indicates that "Japanophilia" is the more general of the two. Looking at other articles about "conditions" (I wouldn't call -philias "diseases" per se) such as phobias indicate that the name of the condition is more appropriate for an article title.  (Another example: Hypochondriasis, not hypochondriac which is a redirect.) "Japanophile" might be appropriate for a "List of Japanophiles" (god forbid such an article should be made).  In other words I agree with Jonathan, but I don't think he needs to be such a dick about it.  -Amake (talk) 02:22, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * But is Japanophilia really a scientifically coined concept of pathology or sociology like pedophilia and xenophobia are? Could it not be just a term to refer to a group of people who like Japan and things related to Japan? --Saintjust (talk) 04:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Obviously, to the degree that "Japanophiles" exist, yes, "Japanophilia" exists as well. -Amake (talk) 04:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Francophile, Slavophile, Sinophile and the fact that the term is not in common parlance. Moving to "Japanophilia" without sources is just as much based on original research as the current title is claimed to be, and implies that there is a common motivation for the interest in Japan that designates someone a Japanophile, another thing yet to be proven here. Dekimasu よ! 05:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course we have sources. You can find citations for them in the article.  And Japanophilia is what they discuss.  Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 01:04, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Faux dubiousness
Two the "dubious" notices are against things that are exactly as written in the sources. As such, I've taken them out. Several of the arguments above are clearly based upon not even reading any of the sources. Because if one had, one would have seen that Japanophilia is what they discuss. For goodness' sake, please knuckle down and actually read the sources that are cited, all of you! Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 01:04, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well the page move was dubious, and that was the reason I added the tag. Also, the preliminary page move discussion above reached NO CONSENSUS to move the article to Japanophilia.  Therefore, I requested a formal WP:RM request on your behalf, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard.  Also, you deliberately deleted text describing Japanophile, and added your own about Japanophilia.  I added back a few mention of Japanophile, but more can be added later... it's no big deal.  The question is:  What will be a more appropriate title for this article, "Japanophilia" or "Japanophile"?--Endroit (talk) 04:10, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed content that had a request for verifiability outstanding here on this very talk page for nigh on four months. That's enough time for sources to have been found.  Don't add it back unless you can find sources.  This is verifiability in action.  Unverifiable content may, can, and will be removed by any editor.  Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 11:47, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Allison
Does Allison [page number?] mean to imply that "youth across the globe" previously admired Japan's corporate practices and economic success"? If not, what's she on about?

This is the one good question asked so far. And my answer is that I think that she does. She's the source that underpins what the article says about American children taking Japanese language classes, and she talks about a "fascinating shift" in children's attitudes since WW2, encompassing the 1980s' economic bubble. As for what the page number is: It's in the citation.  As well as reading the sources, please read the citations, too. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 01:10, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll try to get hold of the book. Meanwhile, I don't have it and I infer that you do. So: Does Allison cite credible research for assertions such as this? I note that her book is published by a university press, but some claims that she makes seem farfetched and a lot of books published by university presses, especially books on "cultural studies" and the like, do contain a lot of dodgy material. -- Hoary (talk) 02:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You can actually read the relevant pages on-line. The ISBN hyperlink in the citation is your friend. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 11:49, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, she's this Anne Allison. This is an expert writing in her field of expertise based upon, as the Acknowledgement section of the book says, her own extensive fieldwork.  Now contrast that with the complete absence of any sources at all, reliable or otherwise, in this article for over 3 years prior to this. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 12:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was no consensus to move. —Angr If you've written a quality article... 11:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Requested move
Japanophile → Japanophilia — We name the article after the topic that it discusses. And what it discusses is Japanophilia. Because that's what all of the sources that it is based upon are discussing. They aren't discussing a Japanophile. They are discussing the phenomenon of Japanophilia. The previous is a quote from User:Jonathan de Boyne Pollard, who wishes the article moved to "Japanophilia". —Endroit (talk) 03:50, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

 * Oppose — Japanophile is more commonly used (although the article is about BOTH "Japanophile" AND "Japanophilia"). Also, the cited dictionary source ("Webster Unabridged, 2002") has an entry for "Japanophile" but has no mention of "Japanophilia". "Japanophile" gets more Google counts, and is used more often, qualifying it as the appropriate article name per WP:NC.--Endroit (talk) 04:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Specious reasoning based upon a meaningless metric. Go and see what we do with "paedophile" and paedophilia.  I explained all this to you before, including pointing out what subject the sources actually discuss.  You appear to be putting zero effort into actually reading the sources, depite being asked to do so again and again.  Stop using the meaningless metric and do proper research!  If you aren't reading the sources, how much credence do you expect the rest of us to place in your opinions?  Please stop reading only the dictionary and start reading the history books and socio-political analyses.  Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 12:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Support — All phobias and medical conditions share the same naming scheme, which is to name the article after the "condition", not the people who are "afflicted" by the condition. The "condition" here is "Japanophilia", and the article should be named such.  Either way, all articles in Category:Admiration of foreign cultures should be named consistently.  -Amake (talk) 06:29, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. I don't like to think of this as a [psychopathological] "condition" and indeed its reminder of "necrophilia" and the rest first inclined me toward "Japanophile", which is certainly a much more widely used word as well as one that (to me) has less of an odor of sexual perversions or straitjackets. If there were some word without the {phil} morpheme or some set phrase meaning love of Japan, I'd happily go with that. As it is, I can't think of any. Japanophiles seem to share little other than Japanophilia (or whatever one wants to call it); and so once I put aside the connotations, naming the article "Japanophile(s)" seems strange. (It also risks degeneration into something like a list, once our younger contributors excitedly add that this or that pop singer keeps a Gozilla doll on his mantelpiece.) So: Japanophilia, Sinophilia, Lusophilia, etc. -- Hoary (talk) 08:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's exactly what Endroit's argument below is leading towards, except that for "pop singer" substitute "popular artist". We don't get a decent encyclopaedia article just by collecting a long laundry list of people who individually exhibit Japanophilia.  But we do get one by writing an article based upon historical and sociological analyses of the phenomenon that scholars have already done for us.  Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 12:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose per discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 02:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:ADJECTIVE. EJF (talk) 16:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What does WP:ADJECTIVE have to do with this case? Both Japanophile and Japanophilia are nouns. —   AjaxSmack   01:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:

If this article were really about "Japanophilia" (or "an interest in, or love of, Japan and all things Japanese"), the image to the right may be included as an example of Claude Monet engaging in "Japanophilia" in the 19th century (long before the arrival of cosplay). And a true topic of "Japanophilia" should have some mention of European impressionist painters being influenced by ukiyo-e, as well as art collectors in those times being interested in Japanese (and Japanese-style) works...Japonism.

However the word "Japanophilia" has not been used in literature to describe the proliferation of Japonism in 19th century Europe. Let's not kid ourselves... This article talks about "Japanophilia" alright, but it only discusses a subset of the behavioral pattern defined by the word. If we are bound by the actual usage of the words "Japanophile" and "Japanophilia" in literature, then the article name should be "Japanophile" because it is the one more commonly used.--Endroit (talk) 22:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

 * This article talks about "Japanophilia" alright, but it only discusses a subset of the behavioral pattern defined by the word.

 * A while ago I spent some time dabbling with this article, and I found that a lot of the problems with it stemmed from the fact that the same word meant several things to several editors - add to this everyone's conviction that they all agree on the meaning, and you've got a recipe for disaster. So... Can we clarify what everyones idea of Japanophiles/Japanophilia is? TomorrowTime (talk) 08:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Like I mentioned above, I don't think there is a common set of traits or root causes that defines "Japanophilia", while the set of people who have (for whatever reason) an (inordinate?) interest in Japan are often referred to as Japanophiles. This makes it hard for me to accept the idea that there is an article to be written about "Japanophilia" as a unified concept. Dekimasu よ! 02:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The argument that there's no commonality also applies just as well to writing about Japanophiles individually. And it's nonsense.  For pity's sake go and read the sources!  They discuss Japanophilia.  That you don't have an appreciation of an overarching concept encompassing many people as a group is neither here nor there.  The sources do, and they are what counts around here.  Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 12:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's quite the opposite of what you should be doing. Constructing some ad hoc definition amonst a group of Wikipedia editors that has no basis in external scholarship is exactly wrong.  Read the No original research policy.  Then go and read the sources and see what they discuss, as I've asked editors over and over to do on this page, and which only one editor seems even willing to do.  They tell you what Japanophilia is, discuss instances of it, and document it.  Is Hoary the only editor here who is interested in actually putting Wikipedia's official policies into practice?  It's bad news for Wikipedia if the editors who are willing to apply the official policies outnumber the editors who are unwilling to do so by a factor of more than 2 to 1. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 12:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Flattery of myself is always welcome, Jonathan; but I can live without it. Let's cool down a bit. Yes, TomorrowTime (TT) regrets that the same word meant several things to several editors - add to this everyone's conviction that they all agree on the meaning, and you've got a recipe for disaster. And TT invites all to agree on what it does mean. However, there's nothing in that invitation that precludes either multiple definitions or discourages people from citing their sources. TT lets me respond by saying that on page such-and-such of The Deer Cry Pavilion Barr uses the term to mean such-and-such. [Drat, I can't: I gave my copy of that book away last month.] Perhaps TT ought to have made this clear, and we may regret (or even be pissed) that TT didn't; but if so then the more collegial approach would be not to blow up at TT but instead to respond "That's an interesting idea, TT, but can we also ask writers to give specific cites?" I'm less of a stickler for "civility" than lots of editors on WP, but amicability has much to be said for it (even when one is boiling on the inside). -- Hoary (talk) 13:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * "a true topic of "Japanophilia" should have X, Y, and Z" — So get your nose out of Google and out of a single dictionary and go and find history books that discuss that aspect of Japanophilia and expand the article. What on Earth makes you think that the article is finished, and cannot discuss any more episodes of Japanophilia in various countries that are documented by historians, sociologists, and the like?  Is Wikipedia full, again? Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 12:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Terrible example
Lafcadio Hearn is a terrible example as to what most people think of when the word Japanophile or otaku come to mind. Lafcadio Hearn was actually interested in Japan for reasons pertaining to their culture, history, and language. Japanophiles are obsessed only with anime. 199.117.69.8 (talk) 18:14, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

That's a horrible thing to post! Although anime can get someone interested in Japan the philes are interested in more than just anime. I'm a Japanophile and have been for 9 years now and I'm interested in not just anime but also bushido, the language, the girls, J music, enka,Hokkaido, Japanese video games so to put it politely I disagree with your opinion. Sioraf (talk) 15:18, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Weeaboo
Weeaboo redirects to Japanophile, but there isn't anything in the article that explains why. 66.81.104.96 (talk) 19:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I noticed the same. There either needs to be more elaboration on this article, or a separate one needs to be made, especially because Weeaboo is used offensively while this really isn't, or at least implies such. AzureShadow (talk) 17:38, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The term 'weeaboo' is not relevant to this article. Weeaboo an internet slur which implies that the insultee is a Westerner who would have preferred to have been born Japanese. The etymology is it was an enforced euphemism on the imageboard 4chan which was put in place to filter the more self-evident phrase "wapanese" (wannabe/Japanese). Seeing as this article discusses an interest in Japanese culture and nothing of the 'Western Westernism" that weeaboo implies, it is misleading to have the term redirect here. 122.49.168.102 (talk) 15:22, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7345/pbf071weeaboo.gif Wapanese became weeaboo.  Wapanese is wannabe Japanese. 129.186.253.76 (talk) 02:11, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Also Wapanese could possibly be "White Japanese", similar to "wigger". Also, I found this Urban Dictionary entry helpful; http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=weeaboo It explains that the jump from Wapanese to Weeaboo comes from a 4chan board changing "Wapanese" to "Weeaboo" (from the Perry Bible Fellowship strip) in a failed attempt to curtail anti Wapanese sentiments. (86.25.217.4 (talk) 16:45, 18 February 2010 (UTC))
 * Urban Dictionary isn't really a reliable source, since anyone can add anything and the majority of the definitions are either bias or just plain wrong. Not to mention subjects such as 'bootyism' 'nerd bird'and 'beer thirty', all of which just prove how inept UD is.195.194.150.129 (talk) 11:34, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * In other words, Urban Dictonary is just like Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.30.151.206 (talk) 17:04, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes but a "wiki chain" of wiki pages linking to another wiki-type sources is worse than a single wiki page linking to a verifiable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.77.150.252 (talk) 23:24, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Possible Disambigulation / Clarification:
A person who is obsessed with Japanese culture to the point where it becomes annoying is sometimes referred to as a "Japanofile", written with an "f". In addition, there is a podcast known as "The Japanofiles" (also spelled with an "f") in which foreign residents in Japan discuss Japanese culture as well as their own Japan-related experiences. Samtoodle (talk) 03:55, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

However, to be accused as a Japanophile is regarded as highly offensive in East Asia...
Please find a reliable source supporting any of the following text:

 * However, to be accused as a Japanophile is regarded as highly offensive in East Asia.[citation needed] This was mainly because of the inhumane Japanese war crimes committed on the colonies during the early 20th Century and the Second World War.[citation needed]

See Source on what Wikipedia says about "reliable sources".

In particular, the words "highly offensive in East Asia" implies they are highly offensive today in all of China, Korea, AND Japan. We will need a reliable source implying this.--Endroit (talk) 05:01, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

 * This was posted a month ago and no one added any sources, so I'm taking the iniative and removing it. A Werewolf (talk) 04:48, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Well, one aspect is chinilpa, a term used in a derogatory sense in Korea, according to our article. I do agree, however, that the original statement was way too sweeping and broad, and in my experience inaccurate. TomorrowTime (talk) 16:54, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Japanophile/Nipponophile
Is the term Nipponophile synonomas with Japanophile? And should the article mention that? Wikitionary has an article of both (Japanophile Nipponophile) but neither give which is more correct nor do they even link to one another. 63.224.159.60 (talk) 23:56, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't see why it needs to be mentioned. It makes little sense, if anything it should be Japonophile, but that would be self-explanatory. 213.88.143.114 (talk) 18:17, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Particularity of American teens
"There has since been considerable interest in Japanese popular culture across much of the Western world, particularly the anime and manga fandom, contributing to the further development of a Japanophile perspective in American teens in particular."

Why is that? It was and still is equally popular all over Europe. I find this claim quite ignorant, regardless of my personal experience that most Europeans develop an interest much more serious than Americans do. Besides, the information/claims about "modern Japanophilia" is very scarce and shallow. Someone really has to extend this article, I think -- it is a very interesting subject, after all. --Laughing Vampire (talk) 12:49, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

21st century
Until a few minutes ago, when I moved it here (as suggested by Nihonjoe), the article had the following section: ===21st century===<!--The word Weeaboo redirects here-->

In the early 2000s, words meaning Japanophile have acquired more derogatory connotations. The term Wapanese (or Wannabe Japanese) first came out in 2002 as a racial slur used to describe a white person who is obsessed with Japanese culture, which includes manga, hentai and anime. The term Weeaboo, or Weeb later came from a comic strip created by Nicholas Gurewitch in which the term had no meaning other than it was unpleasant thing. According to an unpublished MA thesis, 4chan quickly picked up the word, and applied it in an abusive way to the already existing Wapanese term. It is debatable whether Weeaboo has the same meaning as the Japanese term otaku (people with obsessive interests). In a blog post on Anime News Network, Justin Sevakis gives a difference between the two, saying that there is nothing wrong with loving Japanese culture. He points out that a person only becomes a weeabo when they start to be obnoxious, immature, and ignorant about the culture they love.

(This is after some tweaking by me; possibly I corrupted something in what I'd intended as a slight improvement.)

The source "Am I a weeaboo? What does weeaboo mean anyway?" seems a hazily written essay. It draws a lot on "Weeaboo" at Knowyourmeme, which I find clearer; however, this does not seem a reliable source. "Nobody loves the weeaboo" may be well informed for all I know, but it's a windy blog posting. "Japanese animation in America and its fans" got its author an MA from a non-negligible university and thus seems the most substantial of the sources; but WP:RS says "Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence".

Is this section supposed to be about Japanophiles, these terms for particular kinds of Japanophiles, or both? Whichever, if there's something substantial to relate, it has to be based on sources more impressive than the three used here. -- Hoary (talk) 23:49, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * The sources are poor, through I am not sure if the section's removal is totally justified; I'd rather suggest that the content can stay, unless it is challenged. It could probably be rewritten and re-referenced with better sources, I found through Google Scholar, a tool that the author of the recent revision who added most of the sources should check out (ping User:Knowledgekid87, ). Google Books is also worth checking, I see a few sources there as well; all more reliable then bloggish-essayish websites. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here  06:00, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

 * I'm sad that it appears difficult to find sources for this, as the idea of "Japanophile" seems more alive than ever these days. I only really came by here to note that I was confused "Weaboo" redirected here and the article only discusses pre-WWI content. I hope someone can figure this out. ~ Mable ( chat ) 21:08, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

 * I feel it should be included as well, but the problem as you said is the lack of sourcing. If it is a non-notable neologism though then yeah I wouldn't mind it not being included. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:27, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Removal is not the answer. Not only is weeaboo a legitimate (though perhaps unfortunate) pop culture term, the page itself still redirects here, but is now left without context. This source explores contemporary Japanophilia in some detail, though I'm reserved as to its reliability (anyone can publish on Google Books).  Satellizer el Bridget (Talk)  12:43, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Wording dispute
There is a dispute between myself and another editor regarding the opening sentence for the 21st century. Here is how it currently reads verses how I feel it should read below it:

 * In the early 2000s, derogatory slang terms were created to demean those who appreciated the Japanese popular culture, but those terms are often misused and considered invalid.

 * In the early 2000s, derogatory slang terms were created to demean those who appreciate Japanese popular culture.

The word "appreciated" is dated, and shouldn't be used for words that continue to be used. Where it says "but those terms are often misused" it doesn't say by whom anywhere after that (WP:WEASEL). I also don't see what terms are implied by saying "those terms", are we talking about the word "Otaku", "weeaboo", or "Wapanese" two of them of all three? Next, if a term is derogatory then it is meant to be abused. This is like saying I "misused" the word nigger, you cant just misuse a demeaning word. My suggestion is to create a lead that doesn't go into too much detail as the details are already laid out after that. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:16, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree, the wording editorializes too much. An encyclopedia shouldn't prescribe how words are used (especially if it's an editor's own opinion), but rather clearly attribute views to reliable sources. "Considered invalid" by who? Who says they are being "misused"? Lastly, it shouldn't emphasize this perspective as consensus unless it actually is. If reliable sources are really saying these things, the article doesn't support it. Opencooper (talk) 22:55, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree that the lead shoudn't go into too much detail, but it is valid to point out that the word weeaboo is heavily misused in the terms that it is frequently used against people who love the Japanese culture but are not "obnoxious, immature, and ignorant about the culture they love", as stated in the article. Using the example that you gave by the derogatory term nigger, it is really unusual for a white or east asian person to be called a nigger, but is is very common for a person who is just someone who likes the Japanese culture to be called a weeaboo, regardless if he meets the quoted charateristics to be called as one. I think that this particular phrase should be rewritten, but we should note somewhere else in this section of the article about the aspect of heavy misuse of the weeaboo term. - Cilinhosan1 (talk) 00:35, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The closest I came to was with this sentence: "It is debatable whether weeaboo has the same meaning as the Japanese term otaku (people with obsessive interests) as weeaboo has been used as a blanket term that implies a connection." I chose to place the info there as the following bits gives a difference between the two different terms. We shouldn't use the wording "misused" as weeaboo is an insult thrown at someone based purely on their own opinion of the other person. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:43, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that the phrase should stay as "In the early 2000s, derogatory slang terms were created to demean those who appreciate Japanese popular culture.", and we should discuss later about how we should tackle the issue of the misuse of the weeaboo word, and use "It is debatable whether weeaboo has the same meaning as the Japanese term otaku (people with obsessive interests) as weeaboo has been used as a blanket term that implies a connection.", until we find a better alternative to this. - Cilinhosan1 (talk) 13:48, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I am going to go ahead and revert the edit now, I want to add that as I said this is based on opinions. Is the word weeaboo misused? In my opinion, yes it is but to others it may not be. All we can do is provide the info from reliable sources which compare the two words Otaku and Weeaboo and have the reader decide for themselves. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:53, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Splitting Japanophile from weaboo/weeb?
This article seems to encompass two related, but distinct social phenomena:

 * Japanophile: a non-Japanese with an intense and holistic interest in Japan, its people, culture, and history. Aesthetic, philosophical, economic, and ideological principles are often important components.
 * Weeaboo/weeb: a non-Japanese whose interest in Japan is limited to or revolves around its pop/consumer culture, similar to otaku in Japan. Also like "otaku" (and unlike "Japanophile"), the terms "weeaboo" or "weeb" can be used pejoratively depending on the context. They also have origins and reception histories that are distinct from that of Japanophilia.

According to WP:CONSPLIT, splitting might be worth considering at this point. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:02, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the thank you. As you can see from my discussion on my User Page, I started somewhat like you when I looked up a few things that I was familiar with and edited them. It doesn't take too long to learn some of the editing basics, but learning more than that can be confusing.

 * I'm not even sure how I originally ended up with the KMD page on my Watch List but I think that it was from investgating some of the nooks and crannies on the Wikipedia, ending up at the List of TLAs, then randomly clicking on one of the subsets, and then randomly clicking on a TLA. When I ended up at KMD I converted it from a plain stub to a music-stub.

 * You should sign up for a User Name to get a Watch List, if for no other reason. That way you can see when any page you've edited, or any other page that you are interested in, gets edited. If you have any questions, just ask me here. gK [[User talk:GK|¿?]] 21:01, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Roman Catholic Church
Your input would be much appreciated in helping us bring this article up to Featured article. I liked your comments on the discussion page, please feel free to incorporate them into the history section but remember to add references - everything will be looked at with a fine tooth comb so the refs need to be really good. WP:RS is our references bible here. Thanks for coming to help! NancyHeise (talk) 13:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

This is copied and pasted from my talk page. A very nice Wikipedia editor gave this to me when I was new and I use it all the time. It is the different reference templates. Just copy and paste the template and fill in the blanks with whatever reference you are using. Maybe you already know this - sorry if I am insulting your abilities - my intention is to make sure you have all the tools you need. Hope I am being helpful!

The minimum I'd advise is: publisher, author's last name, title, URL and date of access. NancyHeise (talk) 13:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Christianity
Seen this: and think you seem to be responsible and fair. So happy if I change "like the Roman Catholic Church" to "like the Roman Catholic Church and the Anglican Communion"? --BozMo talk 11:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Roman Catholic Church
Dear Nautical, I saw your edits capitalizing words in the RCC article. I made those lowercase so we would be in compliance with Wikipedia policy that makes you lower case religious words that are not particularly capitalized outside of the religion, I think in order to be NPOV. Can you please respect that the article is just about to get Featured Article Status if we can show stability and not make any more changes? I have asked the FA reviewer for her opinion on the caps issue, lets please abide by her decision so we can get our star. Thanks. NancyHeise (talk) 00:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

 * OK, I am wrong and you are right - the expert the FA reviewer told me to ask said to cap them. I dont suppose that I have miffed you off so much that you arent willing to go back to the page and make that change have I?  I would be most grateful. NancyHeise (talk) 11:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Dear Nautical, I eliminated the sentence that you readded to Devotional life because if you look under the subheading of Church a few paragraphs up in Beleifs, that same sentence is there. I eliminated it in Devotional life because it was redundant.  I wont revert your edit but you may want to view it all together to see if it makes sense saying it twice. I thought it was too much of the same thing. NancyHeise (talk) 01:34, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

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Well, when JP2 died...they lied and said that he celebrated Mass that morning. When JP1 died, they covered up the fact that his body was discovered by a Vatican nun (lest there be a scandal)and they even changed the name of the book on his nightstand to "Lives of the Saints". nothing major, but that chickenshit kind of behavior is what frustrates alot of people and gives the illusion of them covering something up. Scandals of their own making for the sake of PR. which in turn feeds the tin-foil hat wearing brigade with conspiracies of assassination, etc. Or if they lie about that, maybe their credibility is not what it seems, etc. It may not seem a huge deal but it is just one of those things that annoys me.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 22:09, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

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Hello,, and welcome to Wikiproject Catholicism! Thank you for your generous offer to help contribute. I'm sure your input will be much appreciated. I hope you enjoy contributing here and being a Catholic Project Wikipedian! If you have any questions, feel free to discuss anything on the project talk page, or to leave a message on my own talk page. Please remember to sign all your comments, and be bold with your edits. Again, welcome, and happy editing!  Beware  ofdog  17:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

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 * I have responded to your most uncalled-for remarks on the RCC talk-page. Xandar (talk) 00:07, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

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Hi, I'm just stopping by to let myself be known to a fellow Roman Catholic. We share a similar watch list. I myself am an Eastern Catholic, adhering to the Chaldean Catholic Church, which is in Full Communion with Rome. Tell me a little about yourself; I look forward to editting with you in the future.

Respectfully

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 * You say you are faithful to Christ's Church. Yet, when someone expressed their religious view, and I reciprocated, you said it was uncalled for? How do you resolve this crisis? You know, in the Eastern Rite liturgy, the priest says, "Lord, it is fit at all times, it is right at every moment to give honor and praise to your name". There is never an unfit time to glorify God. Anyways, I give myself too much credit; my only intention was to say that no one on wikipedia is suppose to express their religious views like that on discussion pages - but if they are going to, then so must I. Tourskin (talk) 01:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

 * At the time, though not now, I felt that his repeat of my explanations, but with the added "I'm proud to be..." was an attack upon my earlier posting in which I explained I was not a Muslim. That was how I saw it then, at that time. I can misread people's intentions. Tourskin (talk) 00:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

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Please come give us your opinion by voting here, Thanks!  Nancy Heise    talk  17:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Hello again, if I can try your patience a bit more- I am conducting now a new vote here but this is on whether or not you think the sources support the article text in note 1 which follows Catholic Church in the lead sentence. Soidi has challenged that my sources do not support the text. Please come give me your opinion so I can have consensus either one way or the other so we can move forward.   Nancy Heise    talk  03:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

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User:Dracil

This name was created by the User for use in RPG games shortly after the release of Final Fantasy IV. It is a combination of the words "Dragon and Cecil" and is NOT a derivation from a character in Beyblades as some people have assumed incorrectly. The last name of the combination is Cegon. The feminine version of the full name is Dracilia Cegon. The name was brought for use online because of its uniqueness.

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Property P conjecture

In mathematics, the Property P conjecture is a statement about 3-manifolds obtained by Dehn surgery on a knot in the 3-sphere. A knot in the 3-sphere is said to have Property P if every 3-manifold obtained by performing (non-trivial) Dehn surgery on the knot is not simply-connected. The conjecture states that all knots, except the unknot, have Property P.

Research on Property P was started by R. H. Bing, who popularized the name and conjecture.

This conjecture can be thought of as a first step to resolving the Poincaré conjecture, since the Lickorish–Wallace theorem says any closed, orientable 3-manifold results from Dehn surgery on a link. If a knot $$K \subset \mathbb{S}^{3}$$ has Property P, then one cannot construct a counterexample to the Poincaré conjecture by surgery along $$K$$.

A proof was announced in 2004, as the combined result of efforts of mathematicians working in several different fields.

Algebraic Formulation
Let $$[l], [m] \in \pi_{1}(\mathbb{S}^{3} \setminus K)$$ denote elements corresponding to a preferred longitude and meridian of a tubular neighborhood of $$K$$.

$$K$$ has Property P if and only if its Knot group is never trivialised by adjoining a relation of the form $$ m = l^{a} $$ for some $$ 0 \ne a \in \mathbb{Z}$$.

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Lee Hyori

Lee Hyo-ri (born May 10, 1979) is a South Korean singer, record producer, activist, actress and television presenter. She debuted as a member of group Fin.K.L in 1998, which became one of the most popular girl groups in South Korea during the late 1990s and early 2000s. Aside from Fin.K.L, she has also participated in several project groups, including the Refund Sisters and SSAK3 in 2020.

Lee made her solo debut in August 2003 with the release of Stylish.... The album sold over 150,000 copies and spawned the hit single "10 Minutes". The song received widespread recognition in South Korea and led Lee to win numerous grand prizes (daesangs) at domestic year-end award ceremonies, including at the KBS Music Awards, SBS Gayo Daejeon, Mnet Music Video Festival, and the Seoul Music Awards. Her significant popularity in South Korea at the time was dubbed the "Hyori Syndrome" by Korean media, with some also deeming 2003 "the year of Hyori".

Lee's sophomore studio album, Dark Angel (2006), spawned several singles including "Get Ya!". The album was a critical failure, however, with "Get Ya!" receiving accusations of plagiarism. Her third studio album, It's Hyorish (2008), was better received critically and became the best-selling album by a female soloist in 2008. Its single, "U-Go-Girl", ranked atop the music program charts for multiple weeks. Lee once again faced plagiarism accusations with her next album, H-Logic (2010), when composer Bahnus was found to have plagiarized seven of the album's tracks. She subsequently took a temporarily hiatus from the entertainment industry, and became a spokesperson for various causes such as animal rights.

On television, Lee was dubbed the "Nation's Fairy" during her days on variety show Family Outing, and received the Grand Prize at the 2009 SBS Entertainment Awards for the program (alongside Yoo Jae-suk). In 2006, Lee became the highest-paid female singer in South Korea when she signed a contract with Mnet Media. The Korea Times named Lee one of the top 10 Most Influential Women on the Cultural Scene since 1950. Mnet ranked her number 42 in their Legend 100 Artists list in 2013.

1979–1997: Early life
Lee was born in 1979 in Osong-ri, Cheongwon County, North Chungcheong Province, South Korea, as the youngest of three daughters. Lee grew up impoverished, in a barbershop of about 8 pyeong (approximately 285 square feet). After being expelled from middle school once, Lee worked part-time at a restaurant and was scouted by an agency and cast by the manager of H.O.T. (band). Lee was discovered while taking sticker pictures with her friends. She prepared for a girl group debut while living as a trainee of SM Entertainment before eventually debuting as the leader of Fin.K.L.

1998–2002: Career beginnings in Fin.K.L
Lee began her career as part of South Korean pop girl group Fin.K.L. As the eldest member, she was the leader of the group. She was the last member to join Fin.K.L, just before their debut in January 1998. Fin.K.L debuted officially on May 22, 1998, with their first single "Blue Rain". The second release from their debut album, "To My Boyfriend", became the first of their multiple number one hits. Fin.K.L became one of the most popular and successful South Korean pop groups of all-time, rivaling fellow popular girl group S.E.S.

2003–2005: Stylish...
A year after Fin.K.L's fourth studio album Forever, her solo debut album was released in August 2003, entitled Stylish.... The lead single "10 Minutes" became one of her signature hits and the singer nearly swept the daesangs, the most prestigious South Korean music award, winning more than seven of them, including three of the four most prestigious daesangs. Stylish... sold 144,182 copies in South Korea alone, according to the Music Industry Association of Korea in 2003. Her popularity in her various activities eventually was dubbed as the "Hyori Syndrome" in South Korea, and the Korean Media nicknamed 2003 "The Year of Hyori" as she was rarely out of the news all year. She won numerous awards for "10 Minutes" at the end of the year, including Most Popular Music Video (daesang) at the 2003 Mnet Music Video Festival, and the grand prizes and the SBS Gayo Daejeon and KBS Music Awards.

In January 2005, Lee made her acting debut in the SBS TV series Three Leaf Clover, starring opposite Ryu Jin, Kim Jung-hwa, Kim Kang-woo, and Lee Hoon. However, the 16-episode drama received low ratings (less than 10%) and Lee was criticized for her acting, with viewers saying she was miscast as a downtrodden but cheerful steel mill worker. On August 8, 2005, she co-hosted the annual Korean Music Festival for the second year running.

2006–2007: Signing with Mnet and Dark Angel

In February 2006, Lee released her follow-up album, Dark Angel. The first single, "Get Ya!", was accused of being plagiarized by the songwriters of Britney Spears' single "Do Somethin'". It was reported that Lee had signed a three-year contract with Mnet Entertainment (currently Stone Music Entertainment) for, becoming the highest-paid female singer in South Korea (approx. US$2.2 million per year).

Despite the failure of her previous drama Three Leaf Clover, in 2007, Lee starred opposite Lee Dong-gun in the mini-drama If in Love... Like Them. Although originally announced as being only one episode long, it aired for four episodes on Mnet. An edited two-episode version of the drama also ran on SBS. During filming, part of a roof Lee was standing on collapsed. Only her foot fell through, but reportedly the fall might have been fatal if co-star Lee Dong-gun had not rescued her.

In February 2007, Lee announced her new digital single which would essentially be the soundtrack to If in Love... Like Them. She performed all three main tracks from the single on Inkigayo on February 25, 2007. The lead song was "Toc Toc Toc". Despite the single's genre being R&B, Lee began to sing more ballads afterwards, slowly moving away from her "sexy superstar" image. The single, although initially given a digital-only release, was given a limited retail release of only 30,000 copies. It was released on March 6, 2007, and in addition to the three tracks found in the digital single, it included a reworked version of "Toc Toc Toc." It was the best-selling album for that month, selling 27,845 copies.

Although her single was commercially successful, her drama was heavily penalized for violating advertising guidelines, as If in Love... Like Them had several instances of overt product placement, in addition to using Lee's songs in the soundtrack. The Korean Broadcasting Committee ruled that the drama should not be aired in South Korea again, and that the network must apologize to its viewers.

Lee also did promotions in Japan when Japanese network Fuji TV aired If in Love... Like Them, where Lee was given the same VIP treatment offered to other international stars. The drama was broadcast on CS Fuji, a smaller satellite channel that Fuji TV owned.

2008–2009: TV hosting and It's Hyorish
During breaks in her solo music career, Lee also hosted various television programs, including Time Machine and Happy Together, which she co-hosted with Yoo Jae-suk in 2006. On April 8, 2008, she joined KBS's Sang Sang Plus as a co-host alongside Country Kkokko members Shin Jung-hwan and Tak Jae-hoon. She was one of the original co-hosts of Change, a show on SBS's Good Sunday line-up, before leaving in early July. She is also a former cast member of the variety show Family Outing, appearing in only the first season. Mnet ran a 12-episode show called Off the Record: Lee Hyori, which documented Lee's life on-set for three months; the show's purpose was to lessen the gap between the singer and her fans/anti-fans by letting them see that she is just another human being like everyone.

Her third studio album, It's Hyorish, was released on July 14, 2008. "U-Go-Girl", the first single from the album, peaked at number 1 on online and offline charts, including various television music shows. On December 20, 2008, Lee held her first solo concert Lee Hyori the Invincible at the Jamsil Arena. Upon release, tickets to the concert sold out in five minutes. In November 2009, her contract with Mnet Media was set to expire. Lee planned to sign a contract with Gil Entertainment (currently B2M Entertainment) and work with Gil Jong-hwa, Fin.K.L's co-manager who had worked with the group since its debut. However, her 2010 album was released under the label of Mnet Media.

2010–2015: H-Logic, Album plagiarism controversy and Monochrome
Almost two years after her previous album, Lee returned with H-Logic on April 12, 2010. The album has 14 tracks, including collaborations with Daesung from Big Bang, Jeon Ji-yoon from 4Minute, Bekah from After School, Gary from Leessang, and Sangchu from Mighty Mouth. The singer worked also with E-Tribe, the team behind "U-Go-Girl", the lead single from her previous album. A music video was released for "Swing", featuring Gary from Leessang, on March 31, 2010. The lead single "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" and its music video were released soon after. The self-penned song, which features Ceejay (from Freshboyz), was released the same day as her album. She won two Mutizen Song awards on The Music Trend for her lead single within two weeks.

Soon after the release of the album H-Logic, seven of its songs, composed by Bahnus, were accused of plagiarism (among the allegedly plagiarized songs was "Bring It Back," performed by Canadian girl group Cookie Couture). On June 21, 2010, Lee admitted that the plagiarism accusations against her album were true, saying she had been "deceived"; she temporarily stopped all her activities as a singer and suspended her TV appearances.

While on hiatus, Lee began to grow as a cultural influence. She wrote online columns for vernacular newspapers such as The Hankyoreh that mixed her thoughts on life and career with social commentary, and was well reviewed for her simple prose, humor and intelligence. She also became an increasing presence in the civic community, emerging as one of the country's most high-profile animals rights activists. In 2011, Lee released two charity songs for donation to animal shelters, "Please Stay Behind" and "Remember".

Beginning March 4, 2012, she and singer-songwriter/pianist Jung Jae-hyung hosted the music show Jung Jae-hyung & Lee Hyo-ri's You and I on SBS. The show aired its final episode on October 14, 2012, ending its ten-month run due to low ratings. After her comeback was pushed back several times throughout 2012, it was announced that Lee would return to the stage with her fifth full-length album in May 2013. Five video teasers were released on YouTube on April 23, 2013. On May 6, 2013, she released her pre-release track for the album, titled "Miss Korea". Lee herself wrote and composed the sophisticated retro-jazz song (it was arranged by her then-boyfriend, guitarist Lee Sang-soon), and the full-version music video released on the same day was a black-and-white video depicting Lee as a circa 1950s-type glamorous Miss Korea pageant crown holder. She personally selected 30 non-celebrity women "with love and respect for themselves" who she saw as the genuine Miss Korea's to perform the song with her on stage at the 2013 SBS Gayo Daejeon televised concert.

Her fifth studio album, Monochrome, was released on May 21, 2013. Lee wrote the lyrics for eight of the 16 tracks on the album, and reportedly used a full band instead of using electronically generated sounds for the songs. Upon its release, eight tracks were ranked in the top 10 on Bugs, Olleh and Naver Music, while its lead track, "Bad Girls" topped the charts on Melon, Naver, Olleh and Bugs. She performed "Bad Girls" as part of a highly praised collaboration stage at the 2013 SBS Gayo Daejeon televised concert along with CL from girl group 2NE1, who had also released a bad girl themed song that year called The Baddest Female. On April 2, 2014, SBS announced she and actress Moon So-ri would host a talk show Magic Eye. The show started filming in April. Due to low ratings, the show aired its final episode on November 18, 2014.

2015–2017: Black
In February 2015, Lee's representatives announced that her contract with B2M Entertainment had expired in 2013. In May 2015, Lee announced that she closed her blog as well as her Twitter account. Along with shutting down her social media, she stopped all of her television activities. In October of that year, Lee's representative told media outlets that she would be taking a 2-year hiatus from her entertainment career, "in order to have time for herself." In October 2016, Lee hinted at working on new music. In November, it was confirmed that Lee had signed with Kiwi Media Group with a new album due in 2017. In December, Lee made a return to social media with posts on Instagram.

In January 2017, Kiwi Media Group's CEO Kim Hyung Suk revealed on MBC's Video Star that Lee was taking on the bulk of the responsibility for her new album as executive producer while working with him and "10 Minutes" songwriter Kim Dong Hyun. In April 2017, it was announced that Lee would be starring with her husband in a new variety show entitled Hyori's Homestay.

In June, Lee's agency confirmed her comeback for early July as she prepared to film a music video for the single. Later the same month, her agency announced that singer-songwriter Lee Juck would be featured on one of the tracks. A few days later, Lee released a teaser image and video teaser for the album's pre-release track "Seoul". The self-composed electro-R&B song was released on June 28, 2017, alongside the music video featuring the contrasting visuals of Seoul and Jeju Island. The album's tracklist was revealed along with a series of visual teasers for the album a few days before the album's release. On July 4, 2017, her sixth studio album, Black, was released alongside the rustic-themed official music video for the title track. The mature, experimental sound started with Monochrome continues as Lee wrote eight and composed nine of the ten album tracks.

2017–present: Reality show, SSAK3 and Refund Sisters
Lee and her husband, Lee Sang-soon, turned their house in Jeju Island into a guest house to film Hyori's Homestay. In season 1, IU joins the show as an employee. In season 2, the employee position was replaced by YoonA, also in this season Park Bo-gum came to work as a temporary employee. In 2019, Lee reunited with Fin.K.L in a new reality show “Camping Club”.

On May 15, 2020, Lee announced that she had signed a contract with ESteem Entertainment. Through MBC's Hangout with Yoo, she, under the stage name Linda G, founded the summer project co-ed trio named SSAK3 with Rain and Yoo Jae-suk. They released a debut single "Beach Again" on July 18, 2020 and officially debuted on July 25 with a debut stage on Music Core. SSAK3 is a special summer project, and they announced that all proceeds from their songs and promotions will be donated to communities in need. The single peaked at number one on the Gaon Digital Chart.

After SSAK3 project, Hangout with Yoo programme has a spin-off from Lee naming Uhm Jung-hwa, Jessi and Hwasa as the members she wanted in her dream girl group during the SSAK3 segment. The four women formed another girl group named Refund Sisters with Yoo Jae-suk as a producer. They released a debut single "Don't Touch Me" on October 10, 2020, which also peaked at number one in South Korea. On October 13, 2021, it was announced that Lee will be hosting the 2021 Mnet Asian Music Awards on December 11, 2021, making her the first woman to host the show solo.

In February 2023, Lee signed with Antenna. On October 12, 2023, Lee released the single "Hoodie E Banbaji", her first in six years. In January 2024, Lee began hosting the fourth season of the talk show The Seasons—titled The Seasons: Lee Hyori's Red Carpet.

Artistry and image
After the disbandment of Fin.K.L., Lee's style has been categorized as urban pop and dance-pop. With the release of H-Logic, Lee began to experiment with her sound by incorporating hip-hop into her music. Later releases have been influenced by country, blues, disco, folk and rock music. At the beginning of her solo career, Lee would sometimes write or co-write material for her albums alongside other songwriters. Later in her career, she began self-composing and producing much of her own material. Thematically, Lee's songs have ranged from love and heartbreak to empowerment to social commentary with a female perspective.

Lee's vocal range can be classified in the mezzo-soprano range. In spite of her sexy image, she has been recognized for her emotional delivery in songs like "Swing" and "Amor Mio". Lee has been criticized for her vocal ability, which she responded with "I think everyone thinks differently, so they can think so. Before, I felt like I was hiding behind the instruments. It felt uncomfortable otherwise. But starting from a point, I started liking my voice. Since I like it, it didn't really matter what other people thought." Lee has been influenced by fellow Korean singer Uhm Jung-hwa.

Image
As a member of Fin K.L, Lee became known for her sex appeal. This image has allowed Lee to lend her face and image to advertising for various company endorsement deals, and in 2005 she was chosen in a consumer survey as the female entertainer with the strongest brand power. In late 2003, Lee signed an advertising contract with Samsung, for which she would make three musical commercials and songs for their Anycall cell phones, which became some of her most prominent commercials. The first commercial and song, "Anymotion", was released in early 2005, featuring Eric Mun from Shinhwa. In early 2006, the follow-up commercial "Anyclub" featuring Teddy Park from 1TYM was released in two parts; the music video starred Eric Mun and actor Kwon Sang-woo. The songs from the commercials served as singles for Lee in between her albums. The final commercial was released in December 2006, titled "Anystar" and differed from the first two in that it featured mostly dialogue. The commercial starred actor Lee Joon-gi and YG Family trainee Park Bom (2NE1). Her contract with Samsung ended in December 2007.

For five years, Lee was the model for Lotte Liquor, making her its longest-serving endorser. According to Lotte, the market share of the company's soju brand rose from 11 to 15 percent while Lee modeled for it. Her contract ended in November 2012.

In 2007, she starred in a commercial with Jessica Alba for South Korean cosmetics company Ĭsa Knox, which was shot in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. Lee also modeled for cosmetics company Biotherm (her contract ended in February 2007), and Black Bean Therapy, a health drink. She then signed with KB Card, and has starred in commercials along with Rain. She was a model for Calvin Klein Jeans, modeling for the "Pure Calvin" Collection. She was also briefly featured in a 2010 Adidas commercial. Over the years, Lee has appeared in music videos for artists like Davichi and Leessang.

Stage name controversy
During an episode of Hangout with Yoo, Lee Hyori was brainstorming stage names for the project group Refund Sisters. During this conversation she said, “How about a Chinese name, since we could go global? How about ‘Mao’?” In response to this, Chinese viewers of the show expressed their discontent as the name was reminiscent of Mao Zedong.

Impact
Lee Hyori has appeared on the Korea Power Celebrity 40 multiple times throughout her career, including placing within the top 15 in 2009–2011. Lee has been citied as an inspiration or influence by numerous artists, including Kara, Blackpink's Jennie, Jeon Somi, Chungha, Jessica Jung, Dalshabet, Nada, Cherry Bullet's Jiwon, Oh My Girl's Jiho, Laboum's Solbin, Elris' Sohee, Jung Eun-chae, Jin Se-yeon, and Huh Chan-mi.

Activism
Lee has been recognized as one of South Korea's leading socialtainers for her charity work and raising her voice for social causes. She adheres to a pescetarian diet according to her personal ethics and health beliefs and is an advocate for animal welfare and animal rights. In 2012 she published Closer, a photo-essay book that focuses on her everyday life with her dog Soonshim whom Lee adopted from an animal shelter. In the book Lee wrote her thoughts on animal rights and animal shelters as well as her sentiments toward wearing animal fur. She has given money to shelters along with taking in stray and abused animals. Her work in animal activism has led her to interviewing Jane Goodall.

When SsangYong Motor laid off workers in December 2014, Lee gave public support of the workers via Twitter, announcing that she wanted to see the new car Tivoli sell well so they would be hired again, adding that, if it happened, she would dance in front of the car in a bikini. During the 2012 presidential elections, Lee encouraged her fans to vote through a series of tweets and re-tweets. This drew both admiration and annoyance from others on social media. In a June 2012 poll by Panelnow, Lee was listed as one of "the socialtainers that best represents Korea" alongside broadcaster Kim Je-dong, singer Kim Jang-hoon, and actress Kim Yeo-jin.

Personal life
She married musician Lee Sang-soon, guitarist of rock band Roller Coaster, on September 1, 2013, at their vacation home on Mt. Halla in Jeju Island. Both of them are members of an animal rights group and began dating after they collaborated in July 2011 on a song that Lee recorded to support animal shelters. In 2021, South China Morning Post estimated her net worth to be around US$30–40 million.

Discography

 * Stylish... (2003)
 * Dark Angel (2006)
 * It's Hyorish (2008)
 * H-Logic (2010)
 * Monochrome (2013)
 * Black (2017)

Concerts and tours

 * The First Concert: Lee Hyori the Invincible (2008)

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