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George King

George King may refer to:

Politics

 * George King (Australian politician) (1814–1894), New South Wales and Queensland politician
 * George King, 3rd Earl of Kingston (1771–1839), Irish nobleman and MP for County Roscommon
 * George Clift King (1848–1934), English-born mayor of Calgary Alberta
 * George Edwin King (1839–1901), Canadian politician; premier of New Brunswick
 * George G. King (politician), Wisconsin farmer and legislator
 * George Gerald King (1836–1928), Canadian politician from New Brunswick
 * George Gordon King (1807–1870), U.S. Representative from Rhode Island
 * George H. King (politician), North Carolina politician

Sports

 * George King (Scottish footballer) (1870–1916), Scottish footballer
 * George King (footballer, born 1923) (1923–2009), English footballer
 * George King (basketball, born 1928) (1928–2006), American basketball player and head coach
 * George King (basketball, born 1994), American basketball player
 * George King (cricketer, born 1857) (1857–1944), English cricketer
 * George King (cricketer, born 1822) (1822–1881), English cricketer
 * George King (New Zealand cricketer) (1845–1894), New Zealand cricketer
 * George King (rugby league) (born 1995), Warrington Wolves rugby league player
 * George King (Australian footballer) (1892–1976), Australian rules footballer
 * George M. King (1896–1963), college football player
 * George W. King (c. 1880–1961), American college football player and coach

Military

 * George King (Royal Navy officer) (1809–1891), commander-in-chief, China Station
 * George Augustus King (1885–1917), officer in the New Zealand Military Forces

Other

 * George King (author) (1919–1997), British author and founder of the Aetherius Society
 * George King (botanist) (1840–1909), British botanist working in India, whose standard author abbreviation is King
 * George Edward King (1851–1934), Atlanta hardware mogul
 * George L. King (born 1950), Taiwanese-born physician for Harvard
 * George Lanchester King (1860–1941), bishop of Madagascar, 1899–1919
 * George King (film director) (1899–1966), British film director
 * George G. King (historian), American art historian and museum director
 * George H. King (judge) (born 1951), U.S. federal judge
 * George Gelaga King (1932–2016), Sierra Leone judge
 * George Rogers King (1807–1871), justice of the Louisiana Supreme Court
 * George King, actor who played Mr. Flak in Hairspray (2007 film)

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Thornley (band)

Thornley was a Canadian post-grunge and hard rock band formed by Ian Thornley in 2002. The band was started when Thornley returned to Toronto after the break-up of his earlier band, Big Wreck. With the help of Chad Kroeger of Nickelback, Thornley signed to Kroeger's 604 Records. The last line-up of the band as Thornley had Paulo Neta (guitar), Dave McMillan (bass guitar), Christopher Henry (drums) and the former member of Big Wreck Brian Doherty (guitar). As of 2010, this line-up plays under the name Big Wreck.

History
The band's first album, Come Again, was produced by Gavin Brown, and released on 604 Records in 2004. Thornley toured Canada and the USA extensively after the album was released and Come Again was certified gold in Canada (50,000 units) by the CRIA, while also producing two No. 1 singles ("So Far So Good" also certified Gold in Canada, and "Come Again"). Thornley was nominated for two Juno Awards in the wake of Come Again: New Group of the Year and Rock Album of the Year. Thornley's single "Easy Comes" was used in the intro video for the PlayStation Portable game ATV: Offroad: Blazin' Trails.

Thornley has stated in interviews that the return to the name "Big Wreck" serves to signal a shift from trying to write singles and write for maximum commercial success. This is an oblique reference to his time at the label of the Nickelback front man, himself known for admitting to writing to a formula that will provide maximum sales. Thornley was so unhappy with the commercialized sheen, and the meddling on the Come Again album (and its follow-up) that he, for a short time, released the demos for the Come Again album through his My Space page. A listen to these indicates exactly how much meddling and bad direction the songs suffered at the Kroeger-helmed label. The songs are much more raw and powerful than what was released. "It was just time to make a record and somebody brought it up that we should call it a Big Wreck album. There was no one leaning over our shoulders saying, 'You have to do this to get a hit.' And after the last couple of outings, I was pretty miffed with the whole recording process and people making me edit myself."

The band initially included Ken Tizzard (formerly of The Watchmen) on bass guitar and Sekou Lumumba (formerly of Edwin & The Pressure) on drums. However, in October 2005, for unknown reasons, they left Thornley and moved on to other personal projects. Thornley continued touring immediately.

According to Ian Thornley's October 2006 interview with Tina Peek of Crusher magazine, a second album was scheduled for release in early summer 2007. It was expected to be accompanied by a DVD entitled Thornley Live, which was shot across Canada in late 2005 by radio and television arts students from Ryerson University. In a November 2007 interview with the Oshawa based CKGE-FM 94.9 FM "The Rock", Ian Thornley confirmed that the new album was then due to be released in early 2009, suggesting the reason for the delay was that "it's a bit of a headache getting a record made these days through the channels of a label ... so many people have to be on board". He also identified the likely producer as Nick Raskulinecz.

For album's support Thornley toured with Three Days Grace, Thousand Foot Krutch, My Darkest Days, Nickelback, Hawksley Workman and many Canadian bands, and opened for Lenny Kravitz.

On December 12, 2008, Thornley released the first single, "Make Believe", from their second album Tiny Pictures. The album itself was released on February 10, 2009. It was produced by Nick Raskulinecz (Foo Fighters, Velvet Revolver, Rush).

For their second album, Ian Thornley recorded all guitars on the record including lead and rhythm guitar as well as bass guitar. Daniel Adair, the drummer from the Canadian rock band Nickelback, played drums on the album. Chad Kroeger, also of Nickelback, co-wrote a track on the album with Ian Thornley along with Alain Johannes and Natasha Shneider of Eleven, who also co-wrote some of the tracks.

Thornley performed at Rock on the Range Canada in Winnipeg, Manitoba, on June 27, 2009.

Thornley also performed at Flemingpaloozza in Peterborough, Ontario, on September 7, 2009, as part of Fleming college's orientation.

Thornley was also featured at the Paralympics in Vancouver on March 12, 2010.

In 2010, Thornley and Brian Doherty rekindled their friendship which led to the latter filling in for a Thornley show, and then joining the band as they naturally reconnected as musicians.

The band embarked on a Canadian tour titled "An Evening with Thornley and Big Wreck". As a result of the tour's success, the band took on the Big Wreck name, and all existing members of Thornley effectively became members of Big Wreck.

In July 2011, Ian Thornley left 604 records and signed with Anthem/SRO. His new manager is Andy Curran. A new album by Big Wreck, Albatross, has been recorded and was released on March 6, 2012.

On May 11, 2024, the band reunited for the first time as current lineup of Big Wreck for the first time in 13 years to perform a one-night only show at The Danforth Music Hall to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Come Again. The album was also released on vinyl for the first time ever on a special limited coloured vinyl. The album was also remastered and reissued digitally on streaming services with two previously unreleased songs.

Band members

 * Ian Thornley - vocals, lead guitar (2002–2011)
 * Paulo Neta - rhythm guitar (2009–2011) also in Black Rail; formerly of My Darkest Days and Hurst
 * Brian Doherty - rhythm guitar (2010–2011)
 * Dave McMillian - bass guitar (2010–2011)
 * Brad Park - drums (2011)
 * Ken Tizzard - bass guitar (2002–2005,2011) in The Watchmen
 * Christopher Henry - drums (2010–2011)
 * Sekou Lumumba - drums (2002–2005) now in Big Wreck, Heavy Young Heathens and Ben Kenney's band; formerly of Edwin & the Pressure and Goodbye Glory
 * Liam Killeen - drums (2006)
 * Tavis Stanley - guitar (2005–2009) now in Art of Dying
 * Cale Gontier - bass guitar (2005–2010) also in Art of Dying and Saint Asonia; former guitar technician for Three Days Grace
 * Patrick Benti - rhythm guitar (2009)

Singles
1 : U.S. single only 2 : Canadian single only

Awards
Juno Awards

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Winnica

Winnica (meaning "vineyard" in Polish) may refer to the following places: see Winnica Zbrodzice
 * Winnica, Lower Silesian Voivodeship (south-west Poland)
 * Winnica, Świętokrzyskie Voivodeship (south-central Poland)
 * Winnica, Płock County in Masovian Voivodeship (east-central Poland)
 * Winnica, Pułtusk County in Masovian Voivodeship (east-central Poland)
 * Vinnytsia, a city in central Ukraine

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Philip Hill

Phil Hill or Philip Hill or Phillip Hill may refer to:

 * Philip Carteret Hill (1821–1894), Premier of Nova Scotia
 * Philip Ernest Hill (1873 - 1944), English businessman, who expanded the Beecham Group
 * Phil Hill (1927–2008), American racing driver, Formula One champion in 1961
 * Phillip E. Hill Sr. (born 1956), American ringleader of a mortgage fraud scheme in the State of Georgia
 * Phillip Hill (born 1972), American pop punk bass guitar player
 * Phil Hill (1963-2017), American bodybuilder
 * Phil Hill (ice hockey) (born 1982), Welsh ice hockey player

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Henry Ludington

 Henry Ludington  (May 25, 1739 – January 24, 1817) was an American soldier in the American Revolutionary War. He aided the effort by providing spies and was associated with John Jay in a ring of spies.

Early life
Ludington's father, William Ludington, was born in Branford, Connecticut, on September 6, 1702. He married Mary Knowles in 1730. Ludington was born in Branford on May 25, 1738 as the third of eight children. His older sisters were Submit and Mary, and Lydia, Samuel, Rebecca, Anne, and Stephen were younger than him. He went to school in Branford and received an education typical for colonial towns of the 18th century.

Military
Ludington enlisted in the local military in September 1755, at the age of seventeen. He was with Captain Foote's company of the Second Connecticut Regiment. He re-enlisted on April 19, 1756, served under Colonel Andrew Ward at Crown Point, and was discharged on November 13, 1756. He was called back again for fifteen days of service for the relief of Fort William Henry in August 1757. He re-enlisted on April 14, 1759, for the campaign of the Second Connecticut Regiment under Colonel Nathan Whiting and was a member of David Baldwin's Third Company. He served in the French and Indian War from 1755 to 1760 and was in the Battle of Lake George where he witnessed the death of his uncle and cousin. He marched with the British and American troops to Canada and participated in the Battle of Quebec on September 13, 1759. He then proceeded from Boston to Branford, Connecticut, in the spring of 1760 and retired from the military.

Ludington returned to civilian life and married his cousin Abigail on May 1, 1760. She was born on May 8, 1745, and was turning fifteen years old. They had twelve children, all born in Kent, New York, (then known as Philipse Upper Patent) and raised the family on a 229 acre farm.

Ludington was commissioned a lieutenant in the British Colonial Army by King George II in recognition of his service. He resigned at the enactment of the Duties in American Colonies Act in 1765. He was affiliated with George Washington's intelligence in the American Revolutionary War; the military commander Nathaniel Sackett asked Ludington for help to furnish spies in Dutchess and Westchester Counties, New York, to gather information on British activities.

Ludington collaborated with Enoch Crosby, an American Revolutionary War soldier who worked in the same territory. A shoemaker by trade, while traveling for his trade Crosby was able to obtained critical information important to Washington. Ludington aided Crosby with the objective to get information to American patriots. He also helped other spies, among them Benajah Tubbs and John Jay.

Death and legacy
Ludington died at the age of 78 on January 24, 1817, and was buried in the churchyard of the town's Presbyterian church. The grave is marked with a tombstone that has a short inscription: H. L. In Memory of Henry Ludington Jan. 24, 1817 Aged 78 years

His wife, Abigail, died at the age of 80 on August 3, 1825, and is buried beside him.

Ludington was the grandfather of Harrison Ludington, who was the 12th governor of Wisconsin. His daughter, Sybil Ludington, has received widespread recognition for her role in a horseback ride to alert her father's Minute Men troops to meet the British army. A 2015 report in The New England Quarterly says there is little evidence backing the story; whether the ride occurred has been questioned   since at least 1956.

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Simon Holmes

Simon Holmes may refer to:

 * Simon Hugh Holmes (1831–1919), Canadian conservative politician
 * Simon Holmes (guitarist) (1963–2017), lead singer and guitarist with the Australian rock band The Hummingbirds
 * Simon Holmes (rugby union) (born 1966), Scottish rugby union player

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Talk:Gingerbread

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Having ginger cake redirect here was put forth for Redirects for discussion. The result of was , i.e. to leave things as they are. The discussion for this redirect can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2011_July_23#Ginger_cake

As is clear from that, is in the "Redirects for discussion" on July 23 2011.

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Russian gingerbread?
Gingerbread is considered to be a traditional sweet in Russia, and is extremely wide-spread there. It would make sense to reflect that in the article. --Humanophage (talk) 15:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

This page was a bit of a muddle, basically because it seems different countries use "gingerbread" to mean different things. I have tried to sort it out - apologies if I have got anyone's normal usage wrong as a result. We could now do with some references to recipe books to support many of the statements. seglea (talk) 23:23, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Ginger cake should not redirect here
Ginger cake is quite different to gingerbread and should not redirect here. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:57, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

All right, the article does say that gingerbread can be soft cake, but I have always thought that that was ginger cake and that gingerbread is hard, being rather similar to a ginger nut biscuit. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 10:40, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Explanation for last comment
Gingerbread is more like a biscuit,which is often made into shapes - such as the famous gingerbread man. Ginger cake, which has a darker colour, is more like a sponge cake. Ergo, we should not get redirected here if we type "ginger cake".ACEOREVIVED (talk) 22:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

It would be more sensible if typing "ginger cake" redirected to McVitie's, who make the ginger cakes - although I am well aware that Wikipedia should avoid advertisments. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 00:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:28, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

What you say may be true in your experience at this point in time, but is not generally true. I did not work on the article, but it reflects what I have read about gingerbread in a couple historical cookbooks. (In fact the cake form seems more common in early 1900's under the title "gingerbread.")It is certainly true that the term "gingerbread" refers to either. I also just looked up Mirriam Webster and OED definitions of "gingerbread," both of which list the cake form first and the shaped biscuit/cookie second. 131.238.213.46 (talk) 19:06, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

The redirect question
Some time ago, I suggested that ginger cake redirecting here should go in Redirects for discussion. Even if my proposal were defeated, should the fact that it was made be mentioned here? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 15:53, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Looks as if my proposal had been deleted, and I have now put up a tag indicating that the suggestion for having this as a "Redirect for Discussion" was defeated. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:21, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Copyediting question
This is a minor question concerning syntactical propriety. Cementing an absolute answer for me will be useful in the future, however, so I welcome your advice.

When this article makes mention of this first monk, is it proper to end any and all years mentioned within his lifetime with 'AD', or 'BCE'? I know it's quite obvious just which era it is, given that he's a christian monk, but should we include it, irrespective of that?

 * Definitely not BCE which is "Before the Common Era" or "BC". The question is whether AD or CE or neither should be used. Personally I think that neither is required in this case. There is no real likelihood of people thinking it is BCE. Dabbler (talk) 20:52, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:University of the Philippines Diliman

Noted Alumni and Professors
Does "noted" mean "notable"? IMO, they are not notable. =) --Prem Vilas Fortran Rara 07:02, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)

Copyright violation
The whole history section of the article was removed because it's a copyright violation. Someone please rewrite it with original material to fill the void... a good school deserves a good article. Coffee 21:56, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

University of the Philippines, Diliman or University of the Philippines-Diliman?
Anyone? -- Howard  the   Duck  05:42, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

This is also getting me stumped. Back then in our Department's official publication, we used "University of the Philippines Diliman", without the comma. But if restricted to choose bet. the comma and the hyphen, I'd go for the former. Not to 'copy' the styles of Western universities, but "University of the Philippines, Diliman" and "UP Diliman" looks just right and comparable with "University of California, Berkeley" and "UC Berkeley". What do you think? --  Corsarius 19:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

 * The "Philippines-Diliman" is more prevalent in the Philippines. I think only Wikipedia uses the "Philippines, Diliman" convention. However if acronyms are used, it is "UP Diliman", with no hyphens and commas. -- Howard  the   Duck  14:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I know a little late, but my two cents. The dash is what I see more, especially for other UP schools, i.e. UP-Visayas (when not UPV). However, Wikipedia seems to use the comma for all the UP schools. For UC Berkeley (California) and UMass Amherst (Massachusetts) there is neither a comma or dash. So what to do? I would lean towards the common usage, the one that people are more likely to search under, or use the same convention UP Diliman and UP Manila use, nothing at all. They have on their websites just a space. UPV has U of the P in the Visayas which is wordy.--Bruce Hall 11:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Section 4 of the RA 9500 An act to strengthen the University of the Philippines as the National University lists the names of the constituent universities without commas or hyphens. Shinjimikhael (talk) 09:43, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Student Organizations
Hmm...how about:

 * 1) cleaning up this list,
 * 2) trimming it, or
 * 3) giving it its own article?

The list seems to get longer by the day, with more student organizations raring to see their names on this Wikipedia article (and I haven't even checked the write-ups for NPOV). This isn't the case with other articles about other universities. For example:

 * 1) Harvard University and Harvard College---the organizations are not listed under the University article, and then again not all organizations are listed in the College article, though they are grouped by purpose (acad-related, fraternity/sorority, athletics, music...).
 * 2) Yale University uses a different approach; the organizations are listed on a separate article. What's more, like the Harvard College sub-section, the student organizations article is neatly categorized (e.g. all acads-related orgs go together, all athletic organizations go together, all fraternities and sororities go together, all musical orgs grouped together...)
 * 3) Oxford University lists less than ten organizations on the main article, but references a link to a separate category (actually, two categories) for student orgs.

Just my two cents ;-) --- Tito Pao 19:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Trim it, clean it, and put in its own article. Looking back on local examples, Ateneo has its organizations on their Loyola Schools article, which was presented short and direct to the point while DLSU-Manila and UST has theirs as a simple list. Having that huge list on this article is a big eyesore. --Mithril Cloud 10:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Done! ;-) --- Tito Pao 13:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Seems that the "Organization" section needs serious trimming as well. It's too huge that it doesn't even look encyclopedic anymore. --Mithril Cloud  16:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know. But it's the main UP Diliman article that needs to be cleaned up first, so taking the orgs to its own article was the first step in doing this. But I'm also thinking of how to clean up the page. Maybe we can revise/delete most (if not all) of the descriptions. Then re-organize everything by category, though I'll need to read all names from top to finish to give me an idea on how these should be categorized. Based on a preliminary survey, I'm thinking along these lines: 1.acad-based (e.g. UP Cursor) 2.culture-based (the UP choirs, performing arts groups, visual arts groups) 3.geographic-based (e.g. UP Lakan) and 4.civic/advocacy/politics-based (UP Babaylan) --- Tito Pao 18:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Tito Pao's push for categorization makes sense. On the descriptions, some of the orgs already have their own Wiki pages, and thus do not need further description on the org List page. However, for the orgs that do not have their own Wiki pages, maybe we can allow 1-2 lines each. Also, is it just me, or are the red links on the orgs' names adding to eyesore? Maybe we can remove the Wikilinks from them for the meantime.-- Corsarius 18:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I have to be fortright with this one...I'm actually working on the categorizations (off-line, of course, since it's a long, long page). I removed all red links and reformatted links, if available. I have also deleted the original descriptions since some of them read like blurbs from press releases. I'm expecting to get a lot of flak or (worse) vandalizations from members of these orgs who will be disgruntled with what I did to their original text, but I had to do this for the sake of making the article more encyclopedic (or else face the risk of having it deleted). On the safe side, I'll just leave out a short description of what college is the org based on (to use a fictional example, "UP Widgets Association is based in the UP College of Widgets"), or a short note on what it does or what is it (e.g. "UP Widgets Association - an association for BS Widgets majors"). I'll try to post them as soon as I have completed the first draft. Just to be sure, I will include comments inside the (revised) article's source code, as well as a few notes on the discussion page, so that future editors (most likely anonymous) will know how to make their entries more encyclopedic. --- Tito Pao 19:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Done! In anticipation of possible violent reactions, I've posted a not-so-short explanation on the Discussion page. --- Tito Pao 00:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Good work, man! The next problem now is to watch out for insistent org members. I admit, I once listed an org there with 2 lines of description, but I was looking forward to writing a full-fledged article on it in the future anyway. I guess orgs that had verbose descriptions in the first place have enough material for a Wiki article, or at least a stub, right? ;) Btw, considering that the Madrigal Singers already have their own Wiki article, shouldn't the org's description be somewhat shortened? Not to mention the org appears twice in the list. -- Corsarius 09:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point on the Madz, I'll have it changed in a short while. As for the insistent members, I make it a point to check my watchlist every now and then, so I'll keep an eye on this article every now and then. --- Tito Pao 13:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oks. I'll guess I'll help you with the 'patrol', considering that this list is bound to really grow in the future -- there are lots of UPD orgs that aren't in this list yet. Actually, I'm not sure if some of the listed orgs are already University-recognized (as opposed to College-recognized or strictly Department-based), though of course there's no way to verify that unless we check up with UPD's Office of Student Affairs :P -- Corsarius 14:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

UP's standing at the THES-QS rankings
Should we include it in the article? --Mithril Cloud 13:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Though where would it be best to place the info -- a new paragraph after the lead, a new section after/before the "National Centers of Excellence, or somewhere else? -- Corsarius 14:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As of now, I don't see a suitable section. It could be added in the "Academics" section, but the article lacks that as of now. --Mithril Cloud 04:00, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hm. If it makes sense to you guys, maybe we can create a new "Academics" section, and move "National Centers of Excellence" under it as a subsection. -- Corsarius 12:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Although I believe that the article should have a major revamp first. Adding the rankings would come in second. --Mithril Cloud 13:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the THES-QS rankings should not be included at all. Since the THES rankings do not really get substantial information from this institution (the latest data for 2008 come from way back 2006), it can be observed that UP does not participate in the ranking. Therefore, the ranking of UP should not show up in the page, to preserve neutrality about the image of UP.Manong Arjhey (talk) 15:20, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

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University Info Box
Please don't make the University Info Box too small in font. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.213.80.79 (talk) 13:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I have some qualms about the format of this article. As a current member of the University, I am quite concerned that the layout of the article is quite detrimental to its presentability. Unfortunately, I am not the best judge to revise and add information to the article since I am not conversant in the history, academic programs and services that the University has. As a concerned "Isko", I wish to help represent the university in a better light, but since it has not undergone any revision and reformatting for such a long time, I'd like to request someone to at least reformat this article in a more presentable form. Ulaire (talk) 14:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Great Centennial Oblation Run
This is held only in December since 1977 but now it is dubbed as this, and held here in Diliman:"The Great Centennial Run" In the “UP Oblation Run," 100 UP-based Alpha Phi Omega (APO) Fraternity and several UP alumni on June 18, at 11:00 a.m., ran naked along the University of the Philippines (UP) campus to commemorate the centennial anniversary. They sprinted from the Vinzon’s Hall and stopped at Palma Hall, for short photo opportunity.www.gmanews.tv, 100 UP fratmen, alumni join Oblation Run for centennial celebration Jejomar Binay, alumnus and former prime chancellor of APO fraternity led the event.inquirer.net, ‘Great Centennial Run’ in UP--Florentino floro (talk) 09:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Constituent Universities Templates - UP Diliman
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Please improve UP Diliman article
It looks more of a catalog than an encyclopedia article with all the lists and everything. More on history and information, please. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.55.205.115 (talk) 11:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Requested Move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was move. Jafeluv (talk) 08:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

University of the Philippines, Diliman → University of the Philippines Diliman — UP Gazette (January - March 1983 p.6), under executive order no.5 during the 956th meeting of the Board of Regents. The official name is "University of the Philippines Diliman" --Dihamsal (talk) 11:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * University of the Philippines, Manila → University of the Philippines Manila
 * University of the Philippines, Visayas → University of the Philippines Visayas
 * University of the Philippines, Baguio → University of the Philippines Baguio
 * University of the Philippines, Open University → University of the Philippines Open University
 * University of the Philippines, Mindanao → University of the Philippines Mindanao
 * University of the Philippines, Los Baños → University of the Philippines Los Baños
 * The above six requests were added to this one since the same reasoning applies to all. Jafeluv (talk) 10:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

--- @Aubergine, WP:OFFICIAL is a general statement and an essay compilation re:official names, please see: Naming_conventions_(schools) it shows that "School article titles should use the full official name of the school as provided by the school itself, unless the most common name for the school is significantly more well known than the official name." And since University of the Philippines, Diliman (University of the Philippines pause Diliman) (or los banos or manila etc...) is not common name and is not well known (in fact, its not being used except here in Wikipedia), thus the articles are using the wrong name and therefore the official name should be used. I'm an instructor at UPLB and I Strongly Agree to the proposal to move/rename the articles. And with this argument, I propose that the move be done immediately, anyone who would second the motion? --Meynardtengco (talk) 18:46, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Per WP:OFFICIAL. Aubergine (talk) 02:31, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree University of the Philippines Diliman is not just a campus, or a branch of University of the Philippines system, but an autonomous university by itself under the University System and it should be treated as such. To use a dash or comma after University of the Philippines is to confuse the readers that UP Diliman is just a campus or a branch. It is not only the "official name" and "legal name" but also the more commonly used name.  Please look at the websites of UP Diliman and other constituent universities.
 * "University of the Philippines, Diliman" and "University of the Philippines - Diliman" are no better alternatives than "University of the Philippines Diliman. They are mere errors borne out of confusions.  I cannot understand the reason why "University of the Philippines, Diliman" was there in the first place.
 * By the way, I will also add this requested move template to the talk pages of other consitutent universities of University of the Philippines System since all them follow the same naming convention. --Dihamsal (talk) 04:05, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Strongly Agree. As an Alumnus and as former faculty, haven't used either the dash or comma EVER.  Also agree as per all autonomous units. - Alternativity (talk) 07:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree I teach at UP Visayas and I have never seen UP Diliman or any UP college with a comma. I seen a hyphen used, though maybe not with Diliman. I do think that regardless it should be consistent across all UP pages.--Bruce Hall (talk) 15:38, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree. I've often wondered about this and have used both the hyphen and the comma separators. But whether a separator or not is used is extremely trivial per the naming guidelines so I'd choose on using the official name and that is without any separator. --seav (talk) 02:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
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Too much of an eyesore
Is the list of deans/list of degree granting units too relevant to be included on the Organization section? Or should they be just encased in boxes? The list is too long. I've seen the Ateneo de Manila page and it has much comprehensive information about the univeristy. And this is supposed to be an article on the flagship campus of the national university. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.202.241.32 (talk) 16:22, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Suggestions for re-writing the article
How should this article be re-written? Some comments above expressed my opinion too about it lacking narrative substance and readability. Instead of adding my comments to theirs, I decided to start a new section with a title that is hopefully more descriptive rather than expressive. I agree that the article needs to be re-written with more information in narrative form rather than list form. This afterall is an encyclopedia article. This lists are trivial and not informative to the more casual learner, as encyclopedia articles should be. If someone would like to know who a particular dean is or what the centers of excellence are, they can look for a comprehensive website, which we could link to if we want. Further, the article seems to lapse into boosterism while other parts are disjointed. Finally, more information needs to be given about the buildings, the campus, the student body, etc. There certainly needs to be a history section. In other words, there should be a more well-rounded picture drawn of the school. I will wait a few days and then do want I can, but that is limited since my knowledge of UP Diliman in limited.--Bruce Hall (talk) 10:00, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Noted. Wish you could help for revamping the whole article. I started about a week ago. And I put it under construction.-- JL 09 q?c 07:11, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I am placing the following lines of text here in the talk page. As noted by Bruce Hall, the article lapses into boosterism and is rather disjointed, specially the lead section. --Meynardtengco (talk) 01:13, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

UP Diliman (apart from the UP System) ranked 262nd among universities worldwide and second in Philippine rankings according to 2009 THES-QS World University rankings. In 2010 THES-QS Asian university rankings, UP Diliman fall into 78th rank from its 2009's 63rd place. On the other hand, UP Diliman got 889th place on the 2010 Webometrics worldwide and first in the Philippines.

, and recently won first place in the 71st season of UAAP. The Philippine Madrigal Singers, a musical choir based in the university, is the first choir to win twice in the European Grand Prix for Choral Singing for the years 1997 and 2007.

American University of the Philippines
I am removing the reference about the University being named the American University of the Philippines until no other reliable source can be found for it. Additionally:

''Section 1. The Governor-General is hereby authorized, within the powers and limitations hereinafter specified, to establish in the city of Manila, or at the point he may deem most convenient, a university which shall be known by the designation of "University of the Philippines," the same being organized as a corporation under that name.'' This legislation does not even contain the word "American".
 * 1) In Act No. 1870 or the legislation that established the University clearly states:
 * 1) The University seal currently in use was approved by the Board of Regents in 1913. Prior to the use of the current seal, the university used a logo based on the seal of the City of Manila which carried a name of the "University of the Philippines"
 * 2) There was no mention of an "American University of the Philippines" in the monograph, The first 75 years (1900-1983) published in 1985 for the university's diamond jubilee anniversary. A digitized copy of this book is available on the University Archives website.
 * 3) Personally, I have access to a diploma issued by the University in 1936, and in nowhere in it does it say "American University of the Philippines".

In view of the above-mentioned, this particular part of the article as well as the article cited is erroneous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nixenzo (talk • contribs) 14:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

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Extension Program in Pampanga and Extension Program in Olongapo
The list of degree-granting units does not cover the Extension Program in Pampanga, which is a degree-granting unit with three undergraduate courses, and Extension Program in Olongapo, which I believe offers graduate courses. We should probably correct the oversight. - F72mabalacat (talk) 01:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


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Talk:List of flying boats and floatplanes

Odd moves
Um, what was the point of that move? —Morven 07:02, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * Uh, what move? -Lommer | talk 20:57, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * This move:

 * 20:56, Dec 15, 2004 Ingoolemo (List of flying boats and seaplanes moved to List of seaplanes and flying boats)

 * In other words, User:Ingoolemo did a move that reversed the order of 'flying boats' and 'seaplanes' in the title. I was curious as to the point. —Morven 01:04, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

 * That's really bizzarre - the move doesn't show up in the page history (isn't it supposed to? where did you get it from?). However, I do see what he's doing though, there's already a category called "List of seaplanes and flying boats", and he wanted the associated article title to match. So rather than edit every article in the category over to a new category he just changed the the title of this one. -Lommer | talk 06:11, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * It shows up in the page history of the PREVIOUS name, not this one. In other words, in the history of the redirect that's created at the old name.  Annoyingly, the article existed way before categories, so by rights it should have been the other way round ... —Morven 06:32, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

 * I'd think that it's because seaplanes is a more generic term; flying boats is more specific. User:justfred

organization
I would expect these to be organized, first by country then by either manufacturer then year or model, or by year somehow. Moved the early ones to the top of US section. Do these ALL need to be listed, or only the common ones? Or only the manufacturers?

 * I notice that there are entries under the country heading 'Croatia' that list aircraft built in other countries (Canada, USA). This does not appear to be consistent with the general structure of the article, which appears to only list aircraft under their country of manufacture.  I think that this Croatia entry should be removed, but I am hesitant to do it myself because I have not previously contributed to this article.  PanEuropean (talk) 21:06, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Well spotted, removed. MilborneOne (talk) 21:11, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

In fact, isn't this page really replaced by category:seaplanes and flying boats? --user:justfred

 * Yes, it is. However, if the category is to be as useful as this page then it needs to be broken into country-specific sub-categories and then the entries sorted by date. This is easy enough to do and once done, this page should be deleted I think.-Lommer | talk 19:16, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Are floatplane variants included?
I added two DH Beavers. This is a secondary application of this aircraft. Leonard G. 02:10, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

New amphib to ad
The Air Tractor 802F can also be added to this list. See www.firebossllc.com - the aircraft is now flying fire fighting missions in Minnesota through the MNDNR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.30.164 (talk) 06:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

New name
This has been discussed elsewhere (probably on WT:AIR), though I don't recall when exaclty. Anyway, I've decided to be bold and correct the title to better represent the article's content, as flying boats ARE seaplanes (though not floatplanes, which is probably what was confused here). Amphibious aircraft are generally defined separately from full-time seaplanes, though the difference is offten just whether or not the aircraft is fitted with wheels. Even so, I believce the new title is more comprehensive and accurate. - BillCJ (talk) 10:56, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks - to be clear though, it is not necessarily wheels per-se, but that the undercarriage can be used to land and take off from land - a number of seaplanes carry beaching gear, but not landing gear, and several have been equipped with skiis. - NiD.29 (talk) 20:36, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * This class if aircraft is usually described in reliable sources as flying boats and floatplanes or, in some locales, as flying boats and seaplanes.= (e.g. ). They are invariably taken to include amphibians, which are seldom explicitly mentioned in the title. Because of its ambiguity, I'd suggest that "seaplane" is best avoided and that we rename this page "List of Flying Boats and Floatplanes". — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 10:07, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

What qualifies?
I'm curious what qualifies a plane to be on this list. I've flown quiet a few sea planes but none of them are on this list. Is this only military sea planes or is there some other criteria? Otherwise the list seems a bit random to me because it seems far from complete. Perhaps these are planes that *ONLY* are sea planes vs. those that are converted under an STC.--66.60.137.134 (talk) 02:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope - the list just isn't complete - I have added a bunch more but if there are any you think should be included feel free either to add them, or mention them here. NiD.29 (talk) 04:52, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Do projected planes, of which a prototype never flew, also qualify for inclusion in this list? E.g.: Martin P7M Submaster. Thanks & regards, DPdH (talk) 15:56, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Speaking without authority, and without any official background, I can see no reason for not mentioning projects that did not materialise. The important point is that we bring supported information, i.e. our facts must rest on solid references. There are plenty of articles about projects that never worked out. And anyway: if you bring in something _definitely_not_ qualifying, you may be sure some puritan will remove it as quick as anything! Jan olieslagers (talk) 17:48, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

 * The Saunders-Roe Duchess got quite far in design terms. More importantly it illustrates that some thought there were legs in flying boats even in the jet age. GraemeLeggett (talk) 21:04, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your feedback! I'm working on the P7M wikiarticle and expect to release it soon. Kind regards, DPdH (talk) 10:32, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Weird Missing Plane?
Saw this ? in Aviation Week magazine: thinking it was Swedish because coastal patrol for smuggling (they use submarines for that too). It was touted as having extreme range for longer patrol time. inboard wing sections had wide anhedral section ending in floats then dihedral wing section of narrower width. Had T tail with single engine at intersection of T. The article noted the wing was designed to take advantage of "ground effect". It had no "step", the inner wing and floats creating an air cushion. It was at military prototype stage. I'll keep looking. Shjacks45 (talk) 00:34, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I am not sure Ground effect vehicles are considered to be aircraft. MilborneOne (talk) 00:38, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Walsh Brothers: nationality?
Walsh Brothers Flying Boats is mentioned both in the paragraphs on Australia and New Zealand. I can find no link with Australia, but perhaps I am unaware of some information? Jan olieslagers (talk) 09:55, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Nothing in the article mentions any connection with Australia. MilborneOne (talk) 10:54, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Well, you certainly are bolder than myself, thanks for quick and (I think) adequate action! Kudos! Jan olieslagers (talk) 11:25, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

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Split table?
I am wondering if we should split the table between flying boats, floatplanes and amphibians to make it more manageable? Most of the ski aircraft fall under flyingboats fwiw. - NiD.29 (talk) 20:00, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Two mistakes, in my view:
 * amphibians can be either floatplanes or flying boats, they're not a separate category
 * do not split up, rather unite (especially at Christmas time :) )
 * However, an extra column would do well to mention either floatplane or flying boat. But, err, we did have this information, and it was recently removed, if I remember all right? I rather regret that change, nor can I see a good reason for it. Jan olieslagers (talk) 20:17, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

 * We currently have less than 50% of the possible entries so far, which means the page is going to get much larger. As in having trouble editing or even loading the page large.
 * Perhaps you need to actually read the page before commenting? There is already a column for them - third column in. Could you offer an argument that isn't entirely based on emotions and ego? Neither of those are "mistakes" and the second point is beyond irrelevant, nor does splitting the table impact the first point. As for amphibious floatplanes, most use either amphibious or non-amphibious floats as needed, since the floats are a post-manufacturer addition, meaning a note would be needed for almost every one of them. That would just be pointless noise better mentioned once, in the introduction. A Cessna 182 on floats is a floatplane regardless, and only specific examples are amphibious.
 * An amphibious flying boat on the other hand is fairly explicit, aside from the models that are one or the other. Very few are converted after having left the factory - the Dornier 24ATT is one of the few to qualify, while the PBY entry (and ones like it with variants covering both) should be split regardless into entries for the flying boat models, and the ampbibs. - NiD.29 (talk) 20:52, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I had indeed overlooked the third column. Further comments deferred. Jan olieslagers (talk) 21:22, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Certainly think that the floatplanes could be split into a different table, as they are mainly aircraft with "optional" floats like the Cessnas and Pipers. MilborneOne (talk) 07:25, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

 * This list has the great benefit that if you do not know whether certain seaplanes are flying boats or floatplanes, or might be amphibious, you can find out here and compare them with the others. If the list is to be split, then some visitors will want it to be broken down alphabetically by manufacturer, others by class, others by role, etc. If the list really does become excessive, let us worry about it then. While amphibians are not a separate category, they are principally all flying boats. The same applies to hydro-skis and -foils. Amphibious floatplanes are transient "specials", not worth listing separately from their water-only siblings. What we have now is the best compromise between clarity and searchability on the one hand, and laborious micro-definition on the other. I think there is a case for excluding floatplanes which are conversions of landplanes, but I think it unhelpful to remove types which are not to be found in lists of landplanes. An alternative would be to identify then as a separate class, as say "Float conversion", and I'd prefer to try that out first. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 10:23, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

 * I was just concerned at the eventual possible size of the page, as only some of the best known examples are included so far. The problem I see with amphibious floatplanes is that any floatplane using commercially available floats, such as Edos, can optionally use amphibious floats, so long as that model of float has an STC for the installation - and it isn't always easy to identify which ones have done so. Excluding types because they were originally landplanes fitted with floats would not be helpful, as the distinction is extremely arbitrary. Indeed in numerous cases the floatplane came first, then a better known landplane variant was developed from it. - NiD.29 (talk) 15:24, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Jets and landplane variants
Jet flying boats are rare and quite noteworthy. I think it was a mistake to relegate this information to a footnote, and I propose restoring it to each applicable entry in the Notes column.

So many floatplane types are variants of landplanes that the footnote looks absurdly huge. I would suggest creating a special Class entry for these, such as "Floatplane (variant)" and just explain what that means in the lead section.

Any thoughts? — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 13:03, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Just "floatplane variant of X" in the notes column would work for production aircraft. Or for one offs be more explicit eg as I did for Vultee V-1 and V-11. GraemeLeggett (talk) 13:48, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Not especially - using jet propulsion is no more relevant than having a turbine or a rotary is - or being a glider. A footnote should be sufficient, otherwise we will soon be inundated with pointless trivia, and the note allows us to include more text without using up too much space in the table.

 * The number of entries on the variants note is large, yes, but not excessive. Removing it because it offends your visual sensibilities is an absolutely terrible idea, especially since it isn't otherwise clear on many of them (especially ones from the 1930s) whether it was a dedicated design, or just used on floats sometimes, and while many of the designs are well known to be operated on both, others are not, and interestingly, there are a surprising number of landplanes that were never cleared for a floatplane modification even in categories where it was common, while for others it was a design requirement from the beginning.
 * We could split the notes up - some aircraft have an explicit version identity assigned to floatplanes - many of the Italian ones had Idro after the model number, while French aircraft often had H or HY. Other aircraft such as the PA-18, just allow any aircraft to be a floatplane or landplane with no changes in designation and there was no distinct variant, just a capability that may be used frequently, or rarely, depending on the type and the operator. In some cases, it is a combination - the Northrop Deltas built by Northrop were strictly landplanes, but the variants built by Canadian Vickers for the RCAF were required to be able to use wheels, skis and floats interchangeably.

 * Splitting them to make that distinction makes the most sense, so one footnote could read
 * Variant developed from landplane design.
 * and the other:
 * Optional equipment used on aircraft commonly used as landplanes.
 * Or some variation thereof.
 * Both the existing note and these notes could be further divided simply by making two or more entries, such that the listing is divided by first letter of the manufacturer (A, B, C ,D etc), or by groups of letters (A-C, D-G, H-L, etc).

 * Having the note forestalls arguments that would inevitably devolve to arbitrary cutoffs on how often one type of undercarriage was used, vs the other (difficult if not impossible to reference), or when in the design process floats were included - which would likewise be difficult to nail down and which is irrelevant. By the latter, a J-3 Cub would likely be excluded, but not a PA-18 Super Cub.

 * It is lands on water, it should be listed here. It doesn't make much sense to me to just include those designed from the start solely as floatplanes, as one of the purposes of lists like this is so someone can identify an aircraft - and as it stands, it helps narrow down the search a lot, but if we start excluding some because arbitrarily, someone doesn't see the particular aircraft as a floatplane because their knowledge is limited to its use as a landplane, it won't be very useful for that purpose. It also wouldn't provide unbiased coverage of the topic to exclude some simply because the floats could be swapped for wheels. In a any case, someone had to design the modification, test it, get it certified in most cases and offer it for installation, just as if the manufacturer had done so. - NiD.29 (talk) 15:18, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Template issue
Template:Avilisthead is widely used for aircraft lists, see Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Avilisthead. If we are going to abandon it for the sake of some visual editor or other, that needs consensus. Maybe the template can be fixed for compatibility? Has such a discussion taken place yet? — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 16:23, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I checked out the WP:Visual editor. First off, it's only in beta, so any incompatibilities should be reported to the developers and NOT used as a reason to change Wikipedia's content. Second, if you know your Template:Avilisthead options, the visual editor adds it just fine. Just select parameter name 1 (as in "1") and enter the desired option value in the next field (here, it's "general"). But Visual Editor only deals in whole tables and you can't use it to kick off a table with a template. When I then added a row in the code editor, it worked fine. But the visual editor thought I had added it to a template parameter value or something, and barfed when I wanted to add another. So that is what needs reporting to the VE developers. Feel free, I hate such things and have no interest in making it work. And be warned, this kind of issue has dogged attempts at a visual editor for as long as I have been here, so you may well get a "use the code editor for that bit then, it's only a click away" type answer. But if they get back to you and ask for code changes to the template, then fine I'll take a look at what they ask. But until then, any attempted fixes are pointless. Not sure if all this helps, but it's the best I can offer. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 18:02, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Not Beta, not for years "On English Wikipedia, it is enabled by default for new users". The replacement of the Avilist template with the code means it still adheres to the format agreed in the WP:Aviation Project - it just isn't using the avilisthead template to do it. For editing tables, for me VisualEditor is much more effective than hunting backwards and forwards through a labyrinth of double pipes, more so when the pipes are horizontal || || || || || || rather than distributed vertically. GraemeLeggett (talk) 20:15, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * PerWP:VE; "Enable VisualEditor. Log in, go to preferences (top right) -> editing tab, uncheck uncheck Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta." Perhaps you'd like to get that updated. As for discussing the use of Template:Avilisthead, see my original remarks; this is not the place to do it. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 20:42, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Cruft
What is with the plethora of useless notes being added? None of these are helpful, and several are simply wrong.

 * We don't need to know "Contract for 7 cancelled". It does not add anything useful here.
 * "Modification to existing carrier types, for catapult use"? No it wasn't. The Flycatcher was designed from the outset to use floats. Per the wiki page - it was "designed to meet the requirements of Specification N6/22 for a carrier and floatplane fighter". Note the second part.
 * "Same plane"? What is supposed to be the same as the Goodyear Drake? The Duck was a two seater, the Drake a much larger 4 seater, so they were in fact two different airplanes, even if they have been lumped onto the same page pending someone doing the second page.

We also don't need to specify details on the Vultees, where the floatplane was given substantial media coverage and so is well known.

Looking up the page numbers for the German source as well - that reference came from the list of aircraft page.

Also who keeps changing the Piaggio P.7 and the Zeddelin-Lindau Rs.1 to projects? Both of these had prototypes that were built. They were NOT projects, which implied that no potentially flyable airframe was built. 21:33, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

 * By all means delete unnecessary cruft and fix errors of fact. This whole list has needed serious knocking into shape - and thank you very much for your contributions to that, much appreciated. I comment below on the points I am responsible for:
 * Re. the Flycatcher, I picked up on the main page lead, which says that "It was produced with a conventional undercarriage for carrier use, although this could be exchanged for floats for catapult use aboard capital ships." It may have been designed to be converted, but a conversion it was, they were not built with floats. For all I know the lead may be wrong, but that's what it says.
 * Re. Project status. Our list style guide at WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Lists states explicitly that "if a type has not flown then it remains a "Project", whether or not construction was started or even finished." If you wish to challenge that consensus, please open a discussion on the guide's talk page.
 * — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 10:32, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Notes column is for "key information". That a design was copied and more made than the given production number is relevant. That a floatplane was specific one off when rest of production was conventional is relevant.GraemeLeggett (talk) 12:13, 30 December 2021 (UTC)


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Texoma

Texoma is an interstate region in the United States, split between Oklahoma and Texas. The name is a portmanteau of Texas and Oklahoma. Businesses use the term in their names to describe their intended service area. This includes 8 counties with a population estimate of 319,455.

Definition
Texoma is usually defined as the area on either side of the state border along the Red River valley, in particular the area around Lake Texoma. The surrounding area is alternatively referred to as Texomaland. The Wichita Falls–Lawton and Paris–Hugo areas are often included in Texoma or Texomaland due to their proximity to the Red River and the Texas/Oklahoma border.

Texoma mainly comprises the area and cities surrounding Lake Texoma, which includes eight counties. Much of the population is concentrated in the Sherman–Denison Metropolitan Statistical Area and three Micropolitan Statistical Areas. The area around Bonham is also populous.

Most of the region is also part of the Dallas–Fort Worth Combined Statistical Area.

A portion of Texoma south of Lake Texoma has been designated an American Viticultural Area, the Texoma AVA. The Texas part of Texoma is served by the Texoma Council of Governments.

Other cities and towns

 * in Oklahoma
 * Achille, Oklahoma
 * Altus, Oklahoma
 * Ardmore, Oklahoma
 * Armstrong, Oklahoma
 * Bennington, Oklahoma
 * Bromide, Oklahoma
 * Bokchito, Oklahoma
 * Caddo, Oklahoma
 * Calera, Oklahoma
 * Colbert, Oklahoma
 * Dickson, Oklahoma
 * Duncan, Oklahoma
 * Gene Autry, Oklahoma
 * Healdton, Oklahoma
 * Hugo, Oklahoma
 * Hendrix, Oklahoma
 * Kemp, Oklahoma
 * Kenefic, Oklahoma
 * Kingston, Oklahoma
 * Lawton, Oklahoma
 * Leon, Oklahoma
 * Lone Grove, Oklahoma
 * Marietta, Oklahoma
 * Madill, Oklahoma
 * Mannsville, Oklahoma
 * Mead, Oklahoma
 * Milburn, Oklahoma
 * Mill Creek, Oklahoma
 * New Woodville, Oklahoma
 * Oakland, Oklahoma
 * Ratliff City, Oklahoma
 * Ravia, Oklahoma
 * Silo, Oklahoma
 * Soper, Oklahoma
 * Springer, Oklahoma
 * Tatums, Oklahoma
 * Thackerville, Oklahoma
 * Tishomingo, Oklahoma
 * Wapanucka, Oklahoma
 * Wilson, Oklahoma
 * in Texas
 * Archer City, Texas
 * Bailey, Texas
 * Bells, Texas
 * Bowie, Texas
 * Burkburnett, Texas
 * Callisburg, Texas
 * Childress, Texas
 * Collinsville, Texas
 * Crowell, Texas
 * Decatur, Texas
 * Dodd City, Texas
 * Dorchester, Texas
 * Ector, Texas
 * Electra, Texas
 * Forestburg, Texas
 * Gunter, Texas
 * Gainesville, Texas
 * Honey Grove, Texas
 * Howe, Texas
 * Henrietta, Texas
 * Jacksboro, Texas
 * Ladonia, Texas
 * Leonard, Texas
 * Lindsay, Texas
 * Montague, Texas
 * Muenster, Texas
 * Nocona, Texas
 * Oak Ridge, Texas
 * Paris, Texas
 * Pecan Gap, Texas
 * Pottsboro, Texas
 * Quanah, Texas
 * Ravenna, Texas
 * Sadler, Texas
 * Savoy, Texas
 * Scotland, Texas
 * Seymour, Texas
 * Sherman, Texas
 * Southmayd, Texas
 * Sunset, Texas
 * Tioga, Texas
 * Tom Bean, Texas
 * Trenton, Texas
 * Valley View, Texas
 * Van Alstyne, Texas
 * Vernon, Texas
 * Windom, Texas
 * Windthorst, Texas
 * Whitesboro, Texas
 * Whitewright, Texas
 * Wichita Falls, Texas

Counties and statistical areas

The Texoma region consists of eight counties, five of which are in Oklahoma and three of which are in Texas.

 * in Oklahoma
 * Bryan County, Oklahoma
 * Carter County, Oklahoma
 * Johnston County, Oklahoma
 * Love County, Oklahoma
 * Marshall County, Oklahoma
 * in Texas
 * Cooke County, Texas
 * Fannin County, Texas
 * Grayson County, Texas

Some of the counties are included in Texoma's one metropolitan area and three micropolitan areas. In each case, the metro- or micropolitan area corresponds to a single county.
 * Ardmore USA, covering Carter County.
 * Durant USA, covering Bryan County.
 * Gainesville USA, covering Cooke County.
 * Sherman–Denison MSA, covering Grayson County.

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Sisaket

Sisaket (ศรีสะเกษ,, ; Northern Khmer: ซีซะเกด) is a town municipality in northeast Thailand, incorporating Mueang Nuea and Mueang Tai Subdistricts and parts of Cham, Nong Khrok, Pho, Phon kha, and Ya Plong Subdistricts, all in Mueang Sisaket district, the capital of Sisaket province. As of 2017, it has a population of 40,117.

History
The municipality was created by a royal decree that took effect on 29 November 1936 and was then named Khu Khan after the province. The municipality covered the subdistricts of Mueang Nuea and Mueang Tai, with the area of 3.26 km2.

On 6 March 1939, the municipality was renamed Sisaket, following the renaming of the province the year before.

On 12 March 1987, the municipality was extended to parts of Cham, Nong Khrok, Pho, Phon kha, and Ya Plong Subdistricts, with the total area of 36.66 km2.

Transport
Sisaket is on the northeastern railway line from Bangkok's central station, Hua Lamphong Railway Station to Warin Chamrap District, and also has frequent service to and from Bangkok's Northern Bus Terminal (Mo Chit Mai), with bus connections to all the northern and northeastern provinces.

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Intelligence community

Intelligence community may refer to:

 * Australian Intelligence Community (AIC)
 * Bangladeshi intelligence community
 * Croatian security and intelligence system
 * Israeli intelligence community
 * Italian intelligence agencies
 * New Zealand intelligence community, see New Zealand intelligence agencies
 * Pakistani intelligence community, see List of Pakistani intelligence agencies
 * Russian Intelligence Community
 * French intelligence agencies
 * United Kingdom intelligence agencies, List of intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom
 * United States Intelligence Community

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South Mountain Park

South Mountain Park in Phoenix, Arizona, is the largest municipal park in the United States, and one of the largest urban parks in North America and in the world. It has been designated as a Phoenix Point of Pride.

Geography and ecology

South Mountain Park preserves in a natural state a mountainous area of 16283 acre or approximately 25.5 sqmi of native desert vegetation. Originally called Phoenix Mountain Park, it was formed in 1924 when President Calvin Coolidge sold its initial 13,000 acres (53 km2) to the city of Phoenix for $17,000. It has since been expanded through bond programs during the 1970s into the early 1980s. It is located south of central Phoenix, hence the name. Since the naming, suburban growth has nearly surrounded the park. Ahwatukee now borders to the south and Laveen to the west.

South Mountain was originally known as the Salt River Mountains. The original mountain park committee consisted of J.C. Dobbins, chairman of the Phoenix city planning commission, Mrs. John Hampton, and H.B. Wilkinson. Dobbins Road, named after J.C. Dobbins, runs east and west just north of the park.

The park's lookout point rises over 1000 feet (305 m) above the desert floor. Beyond the roads leading to ramadas and the summit, the park features 58 miles (93 km) of trails for cycling, hiking and horseback riding. Much of the original park infrastructure was constructed by the Civilian Conservation Corps in the early 1930s. The landmark Mystery Castle is located within its foothills.

There is a variety of flora and fauna within South Mountain Park. One of the most notable flora is the Elephant tree (Bursera microphylla), which exhibits multiple contorted trunk architecture.

South Mountain Park is also notable for its chuckwalla population. With an average of 65 chuckwallas per hectare, South Mountain has the highest density of chuckwallas that has ever been reported. Further, male chuckwallas at South Mountain exhibit a "carrot tail" phenotype, which is unique to this population.

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William Plomer

William Charles Franklyn Plomer (10 December 1903 – 20 September 1973) was a South African and British novelist, poet and literary editor. He also wrote a series of librettos for Benjamin Britten. He wrote some of his poetry under the pseudonym Robert Pagan.

Born of British parents in Transvaal Colony, he moved to England in 1929 after spending a few years in Japan. Although not as well known as many of his peers, he is recognised as a modernist and his work was highly esteemed by other writers, including Virginia Woolf and Nadine Gordimer. He was homosexual, and at least one of his novels portrays a gay relationship, but whether he lived as openly gay himself is unclear.

Parentage and South Africa
Plomer was born in Pietersburg, in the Transvaal Colony (now Polokwane in the Limpopo Province of South Africa) on 10 December 1903, to Charles Campbell Plomer (1870-1955) and Edythe, née Waite-Browne.

Edythe Plomer, née Waite-Browne
Edythe was a daughter of Edward Waite-Browne, of Cotgrave Place, Nottinghamshire, a "gentleman farmer" "who died young of consumption". The widowed Mrs Waite-Browne employed French and English governesses for her daughters rather than sending them to school; despite "drawing lessons, dancing lessons, and music lessons", they learned no domestic skills (William Plomer observing "I doubt if they could have boiled a kettle, still less an egg"), and any purchases were directed through their mother, meaning "they had little idea of the value of money and knew nothing about business of any kind". Whilst in South Africa, Edythe Plomer suffered health that was "indifferent from the start", falling ill and taking "some time to recover" from an operation.

Charles Campbell Plomer
Charles Plomer- "an unwanted boy" who grew up into "a nervous, unstable man, prone to sudden, unreasonable fits of rage alternating with a great need for affection shown through hugs and kisses"- was a younger son of Colonel Alfred George Plomer, of the Indian Army, later resident at Mayfair. Colonel Plomer, "although the youngest son... had inherited a considerable fortune" which he "unwisely and unluckily" attempted to increase by speculation, in one day losing around £100,000 (equivalent to over £3 million in 2024). William Plomer observed wryly in his autobiography of his grandfather's lost fortune that "the money would at any time have been convenient to his descendants." Charles Plomer (assessed by his son as "a non-thinker, with no inclination for analysis and no far-sightedness to look ahead") lived a life of varied occupations; after Sherborne School, despite wanting to go into the Army like his elder brothers, due to asthma his father placed him as an apprentice in the wool trade at Bradford, where he lodged with a clergyman. The "sociable" Charles fell in with a high-living set of "gilded youth", "sons of rich manufacturers", and ended up surpassing the limits of his allowance when playing cards and billiards. This led to his being sent to Cape Town, South Africa, his father justifying this on the grounds that the climate would benefit Charles's asthma. Having professed his intention to propose to his future wife, Edythe, he went armed with a letter of introduction to Cecil Rhodes, who recommended Charles join the Cape Mounted Rifles, a police regiment. Subsequently, he opened a cafe at Port Elizabeth and was swindled by his business partner; set up as a storeman and clerk at Queenstown before being employed as assistant to an old man there, leaving due to the jealousy of the old man's "sinister" housekeeper daughter. Looking for work at Kimberley, he was advised instead to join the Bechuanaland Border Police; he ended up participating in the Jameson Raid, but as only Jameson and his officers were to be punished Charles, one of the rank-and-file, was sent to England and set free. His military exploits earned him public admiration (including that of the dancer and actress Mabel Love) and his father's respect. Charles presented himself to Edythe's family, the Waite-Brownes, bolstered by his new heroic status; the town was "agog" at his visit, and was "with some difficulty restrained from providing a civic welcome". He was recalled to service, but soon entered the employ of a Pretoria newspaper, the "Press", where he was tasked with visiting State President of the South African Republic Paul Kruger for "snippets of political gossip". After a "decade of sunlit drifting", however, the outbreak of the Second Boer War necessitated his departure from Pretoria; he was then appointed an inspector of transport accompanying convoys ("a train of thirty wagons, each drawn by sixteen oxen") between Burgersdorp and Aliwal North, and transporting cattle from Bethlehem to Johannesburg. Aged thirty, Charles obtained his release from military service, and immediately returned to England with marriage to Edythe in mind; they were married in London in June 1901, Colonel Plomer "delighted with the marriage, having feared that Charles might take to himself some uncouth colonial girl".

William Plomer's upbringing
His father employed in the South African civil service Department of Native Affairs (per Plomer, "a civil servant goes where he is told, and naturally wants his family with him"), the family moved between England and South Africa several times during Plomer's youth, with Plomer educated mostly in the United Kingdom. Whilst in England on leave, at the outbreak of the First World War, Charles Plomer offered his linguistic skills- French and Afrikaans- to the War Office, but upon it being established that he was in the employ of the South African civil service, he was sent back there and was commissioned a Captain in the South African forces, helping with enrolment and transport of African drivers and carriers for the campaign against the Germans in East Africa. A later attempt to be sent to France resulted in failure, with Charles being assigned to remain in South Africa as records officer for a corps of Africans in service as stevedores at ports and rail-heads in France. Later, Charles, having reached the rank of Inspector of Native Affairs, left the civil service and took over a trading station in the Zululand region, subsequently becoming a recruiting agent for mine workers at Natal, which his son considered a descent in status.

The Plomer ancestry
Plomer's great-great-grandfather, Sir William Plomer (1760-1812), was Lord Mayor of London in 1781. Plomer observed in his autobiography of his family: "it is not in the least illustrious, but a bourgeois line of which the fortunes have gone up and down and which has seldom stayed long in one place." The father of his great-uncle by marriage, both men being named William Downing Bruce, published a Plomer genealogy in 1847, claiming "traditionally they derive from a noble Saxon knight, who lived in the time of King Alfred"; Plomer looked disdainfully on this claim, calling it "fiddlesticks", based on nothing more than the fact that "Bruce's son... had married my great-aunt Louisa, and he probably wished to make out that this alliance was as distinguished as it was lucrative- for Louisa was something of an heiress". Lacking interest in "mere names and dates", he much preferred characters like "Christopher Plomer, a canon of Windsor... unfrocked and clapped into the Tower in 1535 for criticizing, as well he might, the behaviour of his royal master, Henry VIII".

Plomer insisted on the pronunciation of his name as "ploomer" (to rhyme with "rumour"), although his family pronounced it in the usual way, rhyming with "Homer"; in his autobiography, Plomer addressed his rejection of the usual pronunciation, according to Christopher Heywood's A History of South African Literature (2004), this stemming from embarrassment at his father's occupation, and "hinting an ancestor's improbable job as plumier rather than plumber".

Early work
He started writing his first novel, Turbott Wolfe, when he was just 21, which brought him fame (or notoriety) in the Union of South Africa upon publication in 1925, which had inter-racial love and marriage as a theme. He was co-founder, editor and major contributor of the short-lived literary magazine Voorslag ("Whiplash") with two other South African rebels, Roy Campbell and Laurens van der Post in 1926. It included material in both English and Afrikaans, and intended to publish in the Zulu language, and also attempted to portray the more superior standards of European culture, while promoting a racially equal South Africa. Campbell resigned in protest against the editorial control exerted by the financial backer of the magazine. It never gained a wide readership.

1926: Japan
Plomer became a special correspondent for the Natal Witness, but after Van der Post had met and befriended two Japanese men, one being the Japanese captain of a [yacht] cargo ship (Canada Maru), Katsue Mori, he and Plomer sailed for Japan in September 1926, Plomer leaving South Africa for the last time. Plomer stayed in Japan until March 1929, completing two volumes of short stories (I speak of Africa and Paper Houses) as well as a collection of poetry. He became friends with academic, poet and author Sherard Vines. There he fell in love with a Japanese man, Morito Fukuzawa, who became the model for the title character of Sado.

1929: England
He then travelled through Korea, China, the Soviet Union, Poland, Germany, and Belgium to England and, through his friendship with his publisher Virginia Woolf and husband Leonard Woolf, entered the London literary circles. Among his friends there were Christopher Isherwood, W.H. Auden, Forster, J.R. Ackerley and Stephen Spender. The Woolfs, under their imprint the Hogarth Press, published Sado in 1931 and The Case is Altered in 1932, the latter becoming his most commercially successful novel.

In 1933 Plomer left Hogarth amicably (Selected Poems was published by Hogarth in 1940) and published The Child of Queen Victoria and Other Stories with Jonathan Cape.

He became a literary editor for Faber and Faber, and became chief reader and literary adviser to Jonathan Cape from 1937 to 1940, where he recognised the saleability of, and edited the first and many more of Ian Fleming's James Bond series. Fleming dedicated Goldfinger to Plomer.

From 1937, Plomer took part in BBC radio broadcasts, and contributed to the Aldeburgh Festival from its start in 1948. From the late 1950s, he contributed to frequent poetry readings and events, served on the Arts Council and the board of the Society of Authors.

He is known to have used the pseudonym "Robert Pagan", notably for some of his poetry.

He was also active as a librettist, with Gloriana, Curlew River, The Burning Fiery Furnace and The Prodigal Son for Benjamin Britten.

At least one source (Alexander) says that Plomer was never openly gay during his lifetime; at most he alluded to the subject. However Southworth says that he lived relatively openly as a homosexual in Japan, and portrayed gay relationships in a number of his novels, including Sado, The Case is Altered, and The Invaders.

Later life and death
He served as one of three judges with James Baldwin and Noni Jabavu, for a short story competition created by Nat Nakasa, launched in The Classic volume one, issue two (November 1968).

In later life he collaborated with artist Alan Aldridge on a book of children’s verse, The Butterfly Ball and the Grasshopper’s Feast.

Plomer described himself as "Anglo-African-Asian" in a 1967 article of that name, nearly 40 years after his return to England.

At the time of his death, his address was 43, Adastra Avenue in Hassocks, West Sussex; another source gives Lewes, the location of a nearby hospital, as place of death. He died on 20 September 1973 aged 69 in the arms of his partner of almost thirty years, Charles Erdmann. The date given by Encyclopaedia Britannica and in the London Gazette is incorrect.

Recognition, legacy
In 1951 Plomer was elected a fellow of the Royal Society of Literature.

He was awarded an honorary D.Litt. by the University of Durham in 1959.

In 1966 he chaired the panel of judges for the Cholmondeley Award.

He won the Queen's Gold Medal for Poetry in 1963.

He was publicly tipped for the Poet Laureateship in 1967 and 1972.

He was awarded a CBE in 1968.

In 1958 he was elected president of the Poetry Society.

In 1976, the inaugural Mofolo-Plomer Prize, created by Nadine Gordimer and so named in honour of Basotho writer Thomas Mofolo and Plomer, was awarded to Mbulelo Mzamane. The judges for that year were Chinua Achebe, Alan Paton and Adam Small. Since then, Achmat Dangor, J. M. Coetzee, Njabulo Simakahle Ndebele, Rose Zwi and Peter Wilhelm have been other recipients of the prize.

Nadine Gordimer, in her introduction to a new edition of Turbott Wolfe in 2003, said that the novel deserved recognition as being in the "canon of renegade colonialist literature along with Conrad", and others have noted its experimental narrative structure, which puts it (along with some of his other work) in the category of a modernist novel.

His last work, the collection of children's poems entitled The Butterfly Ball and the Grasshopper’s Feast, won the 1973 Whitbread Award.

Durham University has an extensive collection of Plomer's literary papers and correspondence, as well as his library of printed books, and lists a full bibliography on its website.

A portrait of Plomer seated on a chair, in oils, dated 1929, by Edward Wolfe, and several photographs of Plomer, by Howard Coster and others are held by the National Portrait Gallery in London.

Works

 * 1925. Turbott Wolfe (novel)
 * 1927. Notes for Poems. Hogarth Press, London (poetry)
 * 1927. I Speak of Africa (short stories)
 * 1929. The Family Tree. Hogarth, London (poetry)
 * 1929. Paper Houses. Hogarth, London (short stories)
 * 1931. Sado. Hogarth, London (novel)
 * 1932. The Case is Altered (novel)
 * 1932. The Fivefold Screen (poetry)
 * 1933. The Child of Queen Victoria (short stories)
 * 1933. Cecil Rhodes (biography)
 * 1934. The Invaders (novel)
 * 1936. Visiting the Caves. Cape, London (poetry)
 * 1936. Ali the Lion (biography, reissued in 1970 as The Diamond of Janina)
 * 1937. William Plomer (editor): Haruko Ichikawa: A Japanese Lady in Europe. Cape, London
 * 1938. Selections from the Diary of the Rev. Francis Kilvert (1870–1879)
 * 1940. Selected Poems. Hogarth, London
 * 1942. In a Bombed House, 1941: Elegy in Memory of Anthony Butts (poetry)
 * 1943. Double Lives: An Autobiography. Cape, London.
 * 1945. Curious Relations. Cape, London. under pseudonym William D'Arfey. Collaboration with Anthony Butts (memoirs of Butts's family)
 * 1945. The Dorking Thigh and Other Satires (poetry)
 * 1949. Four Countries. Cape, London (short stories)
 * 1952. Museum Pieces (novel)
 * 1955. A Shot in the Park (poetry, published in U.S. as Borderline Ballads)
 * 1958. At Home: Memoirs. Cape, London.
 * 1960. Collected Poems. Cape, London.
 * 1960. A Choice of Ballads (poetry)
 * 1966. Taste and Remember (poetry)
 * 1970. Celebrations (poetry)
 * 1973. Collected Poems. Cape, London (expanded edition)
 * 1973. "Butterfly Ball" Cape, London (Co author with Alan Aldridge)
 * 1975. The Autobiography of William Plomer. Cape, London (revision of Double Lives, he died before he could rework At Home)
 * 1978. Electric Delights. Selected and introduced by Rupert Hart-Davis. Cape, London (previously uncollected pieces, including the essay "On Not Answering the Telephone")

==Plomer's last poem Painted on Darkness ==

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The Watchmen (band)

The Watchmen are a Canadian rock band. They were one of the most commercially successful bands in Canada in the mid to late 1990s. During their peak years, the band had one platinum record (In the Trees) and three more gold records (McLaren Furnace Room, Silent Radar, and Slomotion). The band has toured Canada a number of times, were the opening act for The Tragically Hip, and co-headlined a national tour with Big Wreck.

History
The Watchmen first came together in Winnipeg, Manitoba in 1988. Founding members were Daniel Greaves, Joey Serlin, Sammy Kohn and Pete Loewen. After performing together for several years, they released an album, McLaren Furnace Room, in 1992.

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The band released the albums Brand New Day and Silent Radar in 1996 and 1998, respectively.

In 1999 the band performed as part of Humble & Fred Fest at Fort York in Toronto. Kohn had left the band when they recorded their 2001 album Slomotion; the percussion tracks were created electronically. A single from the album, "Absolutely Anytime" was in the Top Ten on the Canadian charts for several weeks. While touring to support the album, the band took on drummer Ryan Ahoff.

In 2003, the Watchmen announced their farewell tour and their intention to disband. They returned to Winnipeg to perform at a fundraiser for the Israel national bobsleigh team.

In 2010, the Watchmen came together for a reunion show at the Horseshoe Tavern in Toronto. They have since continued to perform occasional shows across Canada.

The Watchmen are members of the Canadian charity Artists Against Racism.

Live albums

 * Live Radar (1998)
 * Last Road Trip Download Series (2004)
 * Live and in Stereo (2017)

title: The Watchmen (band)