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Talk:Maned rat

Comments
The line is named for its mane of long, coarse black-and-white-banded hairs that begins at the top of the head and extends beyond the base of the tail. is a straight cut-and-paste from the Britannica folks, really, you can do better. link

Bisc 350 Review
Good job editing this article. I think it would help the readers of this article if you had an updated section on the breeding/reproduction/litter size/etc. of this particular species of rat. Other than that I enjoyed the updates to this article. -LaurenLwleiden (talk) 03:40, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

I think you did a good job editing the Maned Rat page. You provided sufficient information for the average reader curious with the Maned Rat. Jeaku (talk) 12:05, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

"corrected 'poisonous' to 'venomous'" edit
This one is actually poisonous and not venomous. It sequesters toxins and doesn't produce venom

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51544443_A_poisonous_surprise_under_the_coat_of_the_African_crested_rat VictoriousBard (talk) 22:04, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Dolabrifera

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nhu hình 116.97.218.233 (talk) 04:14, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Toy Manchester Terrier

Merge?
Perhaps this should be merged and a redirect used? This article states that it is also known as the (I forgot already)Vulture19 (talk) 23:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC)Vulture19 (talk) 23:09, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Breeds are bizarrely complicated... :-) --Hafwyn (talk) 17:41, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Toy Fox Terrier

First Paragraph
"However, some are prone to leg calve pert hes and stifle...." What is this supposed to say? It doesn't make any sense to me. S a  l  t  y  ! T a  l  k  ! 01:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

History
Why is a citation needed for '..."Foiler", the first fox terrier registered by the Kennel Club in Britain, circa 1875-76' ???? Its in the damn records of British Kennel Club!!! That's what Kennel Clubs are FOR!!! Cuvtixo 02:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC) Look up the British Kennel Club!Cuvtixo 20:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

'Citation needed' means 'a user has requested citation', not 'a user says this is simply wrong'.

toy fox terriers temperment
I want to add information about their temperament and their athleticism. --Lilbballgirly11 (talk) 22:36, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Tenterfield Terrier
It seems clear from Tenterfield Terrier that it is not the same breed as the Toy Fox Terrier (although it may be the same as, or related to, the Miniature Fox Terrier. If Australians refer to actual Toy Fox Terriers as Tenterfield terriers, it's a misnomer. Unless Haateigh can provide references, I plan to undo their edits.--Curtis Clark (talk) 16:38, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Toy Bulldog

Miniature bulldog
Can someone redirect miniature bulldog to this page? Now sure how to do it and now sure if it's appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthur Curry (talk • contribs) 05:47, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Done.

History
There were small ( "dwarf") Bulldogs as well as Bulldog mixes in England at t hat period of time. English Bulldog crosses were used to create and develop the French Bulldog, referred to as " Toy French Bulldog" or "French Bulldog" as per author of the cited book. Dwarf and small purebred Bulldog puppies were also born time to time, and also could be referred to as "toy bulldogs". However, the smaller variety of the Bulldog had never been established as a breed. Anyway, the weight of the "small" bulldog in the book is "under 35 lbs", and aim is to produce a 28 Lbs dog. Not 8 Lbs dog.

Modern attempts to create a small version of English Bulldog by crossbreeding results mostly to production of odd looking mixes that do not resemble the purebred version of this breed.

Suggest leaving a mention of the "Toy Bulldog" for a reference to French Bulldog and Boston Terrier breed history Afru (talk) 16:04, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Tibetan Mastiff

Tibetan mastiff from China?
A couple of drive-by edits changed the country in the information box from "Tibet" to "China" and the first para information from "nomadic cultures of Central Asia" to "China".

The political motivation of the edits is obvious: "Tibet is part of China, therefore 'Tibet' must be replaced with 'China'". Unfortunately this kind of aggressive political correctness isn't helpful to anyone's understanding of this breed of dog or its background. But the edits do raise a couple of questions:

1. In the info box, the wording is 'Country of origin'. The question arises as to whether Tibet is a 'country'. If 'country' is rigidly interpreted as a political unit (which it usually tends to be), then the heading is less than ideal. Would 'Place of origin', which removes the political implications, be preferable? The problem is that Tibet and its culture are historically quite different from that of "China proper" (or mainstream Chinese culture, however you want to interpret it), and it is therefore meaningful to distinguish the Tibetan origin of the dogs. It would seem to be desirable to proof the page against editors who drop by just to let us know that "Tibet is part of China" by getting rid of the troublesome word "country".

2. Tibet is not usually considered to be part of 'Central Asia' (although in some definitions it is). So the question is: did the Tibetan mastiff originate in Tibet, or did it originate in Central Asia? Or both? The article is very vague on this and other matters. Is there information available that could help clarify this? If the breed did originate in 'Central Asia' (and not just Tibet), then the info box also needs to be harmonised with the text, e.g., Place of origin: Tibet and Central Asia.

123.122.197.82 (talk) 07:57, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Country of origin is Tibet, originating with nomadic cultures are Tibet, China, Nepal, Ladakh, and Central Asia. Therefore these countries and places should be mentioned in this article. 116.49.50.58 (talk) 16:09, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * What you mean? Old map of tibet included some India, Nepal, as well. Are we going to add "Dog breeds originated in India"? "Dog breeds originated in Nepal"? Just because they own the pieces of Tibet. Noteswork (talk) 05:23, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

 * The formal breed (and this article is meant to be about the formal breed) was first defined in the UK (before the FCI took over the standard), and while the breed stock used dogs from Tibet they were bred in the UK to the standard. We could then argue that country should include the UK, although it would be silly to do so.  I do think expanding the article to include other countries in the body doesn't really hurt, but only if it avoids being a huge list and adds some value.
 * As for changing Tibet to China, that isn't really necessary. The PRC recognise the Tibetians as a separate ethnic group, and China is considered a Multinational state.  Wikipedia policy for Country boxes for the UK (another Multinational state) say to let people use UK, Wales, England, Scotland or Northern Ireland and not to enforce conformity.  I'd suggest that should happen here as well. FMMonty (talk) 12:17, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Excellent. If there are no more opinions for few other days. China will be removed from category. Noteswork (talk) 13:06, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

As we all know the country of origin is Tibet, but no need to remove China from category. It's like originated in Scotland is equivalent to originated in UK. 116.49.52.206 (talk) 12:26, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Not a "True Mastiff?"
The article states that the TM is not a true mastiff. By what definition is this statement justified? I am not saying that the TM _is_ a true mastiff, I just think there should be a solid definition of the term. 65.79.173.135 (talk) 13:20, 3 July 2014 (UTC)Will in New Haven65.79.173.135 (talk) 13:20, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Mastiff. Hafspajen (talk) 16:17, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Height
As indicated in the article, the height is said to be "up to 830 cm (330 in)". Factually, this is impossible as there is no land mammal that is close to 27 feet in height.

According to virtually all expert sites, the Bankhar is distinct from the Tibetan Mastiff, rather than it being an alternative/regional name for same. See http://bankhar.org/?page_id=48  Irish Melkite (talk) 19:46, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Origin
Some Tibetans say Mongols bring this dog in Tibet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.201.31.177 (talk) 01:59, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

 * These guys are sick about the origin and breed type there are separate type of opinions in the same article one saying it is one of mastiff type  in the introduction and another paragraph (Name) saying it is not a true mastiff type. About the photo none of it is about the aboriginal type the the articles is about Tibetan Mastiff history, all the articles and photos are about modern Tibetan Mastiff. No one is allowed to write about the history about the Tibetan dog even they don’t consider the articles of  Don Messerschmidt making clear about the mystery of the mastiff big as donkey as a reference  Bikaash (talk) 16:08, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , I agree these dogs are not mastiffs and I have a sources that specifies such, the name is an English misnomer for the breed, no doubt based on their size with little regard for their actual form. This is not unique to the Tibetan Mastiff, a similar example is the Spanish Mastiff. I should be able to introduce something this evening. Cavalryman (talk) 01:52, 24 February 2021 (UTC).

Tibetan Mastiff
More details about a Tibetan Mastiff dog 129.0.102.31 (talk) 06:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

 * Be more specific about what changes you want. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:15, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

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Harmonices Mundi

Harmonice Mundi (Harmonices mundi libri V) (Latin: The Harmony of the World, 1619) is a book by Johannes Kepler. In the work, written entirely in Latin, Kepler discusses harmony and congruence in geometrical forms and physical phenomena. The final section of the work relates his discovery of the so-called third law of planetary motion.

Background and history
Kepler began working on Harmonice Mundi around 1599, which was the year Kepler sent a letter to Michael Maestlin detailing the mathematical data and proofs that he intended to use for his upcoming text, which he originally planned to name De harmonia mundi. Kepler was aware that the content of Harmonice Mundi closely resembled that of the subject matter for Ptolemy's Harmonica, but was not concerned. The new astronomy Kepler would use (most notably the adoption of elliptic orbits in the Copernican system) allowed him to explore new theorems. Another important development that allowed Kepler to establish his celestial-harmonic relationships was the abandonment of the Pythagorean tuning as the basis for musical consonance and the adoption of geometrically supported musical ratios; this would eventually be what allowed Kepler to relate musical consonance and the angular velocities of the planets. Thus, Kepler could reason that his relationships gave evidence for God acting as a grand geometer, rather than a Pythagorean numerologist.

The concept of musical harmonies intrinsically existing within the spacing of the planets existed in medieval philosophy prior to Kepler. Musica universalis was a traditional philosophical metaphor that was taught in the quadrivium, and was often called the "music of the spheres." Kepler was intrigued by this idea while he sought explanation for a rational arrangement of the heavenly bodies. When Kepler uses the term "harmony" it is not strictly referring to the musical definition, but rather a broader definition encompassing congruence in Nature and the workings of both the celestial and terrestrial bodies. He notes musical harmony as being a product of man, derived from angles, in contrast to a harmony that he refers to as being a phenomenon that interacts with the human soul. In turn, this allowed Kepler to claim the Earth has a soul because it is subjected to astrological harmony.

While writing the book, Kepler had to defend his mother in court after she had been accused of witchcraft.

Content
Kepler divides The Harmony of the World into five long chapters: the first is on regular polygons; the second is on the congruence of figures; the third is on the origin of harmonic proportions in music; the fourth is on harmonic configurations in astrology; the fifth is on the harmony of the motions of the planets.

Chapter 1 and 2
Chapters 1 and 2 of The Harmony of the World contain most of Kepler's contributions concerning polyhedra. He is primarily interested with how polygons, which he defines as either regular or semiregular, can come to be fixed together around a central point on a plane to form congruence. His primary objective was to be able to rank polygons based on a measure of sociability, or rather, their ability to form partial congruence when combined with other polyhedra. He returns to this concept later in Harmonice Mundi with relation to astronomical explanations. In the second chapter is the earliest mathematical understanding of two types of regular star polyhedra, the small and great stellated dodecahedron; they would later be called Kepler's solids or Kepler Polyhedra and, together with two regular polyhedra discovered by Louis Poinsot, as the Kepler–Poinsot polyhedra. He describes polyhedra in terms of their faces, which is similar to the model used in Plato's Timaeus to describe the formation of Platonic solids in terms of basic triangles. The book features illustrations of solids and tiling patterns, some of which are related to the golden ratio.

While medieval philosophers spoke metaphorically of the "music of the spheres", Kepler discovered physical harmonies in planetary motion. He found that the difference between the maximum and minimum angular speeds of a planet in its orbit approximates a harmonic proportion. For instance, the maximum angular speed of the Earth as measured from the Sun varies by a semitone (a ratio of 16:15), from mi to fa, between aphelion and perihelion. Venus only varies by a tiny 25:24 interval (called a diesis in musical terms). Kepler explains the reason for the Earth's small harmonic range:

"The Earth sings Mi, Fa, Mi: you may infer even from the syllables that in this our home misery and famine hold sway."

The celestial choir Kepler formed was made up of a tenor (Mars), two bass (Saturn and Jupiter), a soprano (Mercury), and two altos (Venus and Earth). Mercury, with its large elliptical orbit, was determined to be able to produce the greatest number of notes, while Venus was found to be capable of only a single note because its orbit is nearly a circle. At very rare intervals all of the planets would sing together in "perfect concord": Kepler proposed that this may have happened only once in history, perhaps at the time of creation. Kepler reminds us that harmonic order is only mimicked by man, but has origin in the alignment of the heavenly bodies:

"Accordingly you won't wonder any more that a very excellent order of sounds or pitches in a musical system or scale has been set up by men, since you see that they are doing nothing else in this business except to play the apes of God the Creator and to act out, as it were, a certain drama of the ordination of the celestial movements."

Kepler discovers that all but one of the ratios of the maximum and minimum speeds of planets on neighboring orbits approximate musical harmonies within a margin of error of less than a diesis (a 25:24 interval). The orbits of Mars and Jupiter produce the one exception to this rule, creating the inharmonic ratio of 18:19.

Chapter 5
Chapter 5 includes a long digression on astrology. This is immediately followed by Kepler's third law of planetary motion, which shows a constant proportionality between the cube of the semi-major axis of a planet's orbit and the square of the time of its orbital period. Kepler's previous book, Astronomia nova, related the discovery of the first two principles now known as Kepler's laws.

Recent history
A copy of the 1619 edition was stolen from the National Library of Sweden in the 1990s.

Use in recent music
A small number of recent compositions either make reference to or are based on the concepts of Harmonice Mundi or Harmony of the Spheres. The most notable of these are:
 * Laurie Spiegel: Kepler's Harmony of the Worlds (1977). An excerpt of the piece was selected by Carl Sagan for inclusion on the Voyager Golden Record, launched aboard the Voyager spacecraft.
 * Mike Oldfield, (English musician and composer, born 1953), Music of the Spheres (album released in 2008 by Mercury Records).
 * Joep Franssens (Dutch composer, born 1955), Harmony of the Spheres (cycle in five movements for mixed choir and string orchestra), composed 2001.
 * Philip Glass, American composer, Kepler opera (2009), homage to Johannes Kepler, commissioned by the city of Linz, where the astronomer lived.
 * Tim Watts, (English composer, born 1979), Kepler's Trial (2016–2017), premiered at St John's College, Cambridge (2016); revised version performed at the Victoria and Albert Museum, 9 November 2017
 * Paul Hindemith, German composer, Die Harmonie der Welt Symphony (originally entitled Symphonie „Die Harmonie der Welt“ in German), IPH 50, is a symphony composed in 1951, and which served as the basis for the 1957 opera Die Harmonie der Welt.
 * Miriam Monaghan (British recorder player and composer) Kepler’s Planets (2019), written for Palisander Recorder Quartet. Extracts were premiered live on BBC Radio 3 In Tune (October 2019) with full concert premiere at London International Festival of Early Music (November 2019).
 * Dave Soldier, American composer, wrote Motet: Harmony of the World (2022), closely hewing to Kepler's instructions in the book for a future composer to write a motet, including the use of a specific six-voice choir (recorded by the microtonal choir Ekmeles), the particular just intonation intervals, and the harmonies allowed in Kepler's diagrams. The text sets the Prayer to the Sun by Proclus in ancient Greek, a poet heavily quoted in Kepler's text.

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Talk:Tenterfield Terrier

Mythical Breed
I shall be amazed if anyone can find a photograph of this mythical 'breed' - I have never read such tripe in my life!!--86.144.135.89 16:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * As the article says, you can find the ankc standard for the breed on the ankc website. --Bcsr4ever 13:40, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I just don't get why you're amazed if anyone can find a photo of the mythical breed. "I have never read such tripe in my life!!" Well, explain why I own one The epic WolfShadow9192! (talk) 07:08, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Photo
A better photo is greatly needed for the infobox.--Hafwyn (talk) 22:59, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. Mokoniki (talk) 01:58, 9 August 2009 (UTC)Mokoniki

Edits
Removed "surviving this harsh country without pampering" because it is plagiarized. The epic WolfShadow9192! (talk) 07:08, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Sloughi

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How well does the Sloughi get along with other sight hounds like the whippet, italian greyhound, and the chart polski? If i get one I would'nt want it fighting with my other dogs. So please tell me

Most sighthounds get on fine with other sighthounds in my experience but it varies from dog to dog the same as any other breed. I have a Greyhound an Saluki and a Whippet and they are devoted to each other. Wikipedia isn't really the place to be asking questions like that to be honest. I'm sure you can find some mildly obsessive websites about Sloughis who'll be able to give you a better opinion.188.29.112.105 (talk) 10:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 06:23, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

"Old age"
This phrase was used in the Health section; however, no lifespan number(s) was(were) given.

Without knowing a lifespan, the phrase "old age" has no meaning.

So, what is the average lifespan for a Sloughi ? ? ? 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 18:20, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

The importance of being Oska
Xavier Przezdziecki, a sighthound scholar, in particular of the Sloughi (Les Lévriers 1975; Le Destin des Lévriers 1984) uses “oska” for the Berber sighthound, Sloughi, as well as for the Tuareg Azawakh. He makes (1984) the historic reference to Henri Duveyrier's: Exploration du Sahara: Les Touâreg du nord 1864, (page 224: le lévrier, ôska …) https://archive.org/details/explorationdusa00cossgoog/page/n14/mode/2up?q=chien. A modern Berber recognises the Tamazight word, currently pronounced hoska, in association with the Sloughi as denoting strong and big (personal communication). Expect to see the word in various forms ôska, hoska, oska, in association with both breeds.--Richard Hawkins (talk) 13:36, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Corrected modern orthography: !uskay = ‘greyhound’, source personal communication &

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Talk:Shar Pei

FYI--I added Han Dynasty Chinese art that depicts probably Shar pei dog head profile.
Hi, I added a photo of antique Han Dynasty Chinese art that depicts probably Shar pei dog head profile, and I found the photo on the internet--it was from abroad regarding Chinese art during the Han dynasty, Guangdong province. This is not my area of expertise, but I own Shar pei dogs, and I was interested in finding out about their history--I posted the Han dynasty art because I would want to see it. Also, within an hour, I found ancient art from the Han Dynasty, Guangdong province online from Asia. I found partially blue Fo Dog statues with Shar pei ears at some Buddhist temples, during the Han Dynasty online. This area of discovering the history of the Shar pei dog seems open and mysterious. It looks to me like they always had the wrinkles since the Han Dynasty. I consider them Buddhist temple dogs. Best of luck for additions to this topic. I do not visit Wikipedia regularly, so if you leave me a message or response, I may not read it right away. HACNY (talk) 19:01, 16 January 2019 (UTC) I found the image on https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=oXMBUkY9&id=B8134F775E05D24DBEC7FF2AEAC1680AF70B1A27&thid=OIP.oXMBUkY9TS9057jOshQJkgHaJ4&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fupload.wikimedia.org%2fwikipedia%2fcommons%2fa%2fa2%2fMetMuseum_-_Hunping_-_P1090403.jpg&exph=2048&expw=1536&q=Han+Dynasty+Buddhism&simid=608033970275485632&selectedIndex=20&ajaxhist=0  I just found it again, under Han Dynasty Buddhism. It is listed as being on religion.wikia.com That may be part of Wikipedia? Well, above is the link I found it on. HACNY (talk) 19:22, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Merger proposal: Miniature Shar Pei
I propose to merge Miniature Shar Pei into this article. The only reliable source I can find for the miniature version is from Desmond Morris who, in very short entry in his Dogs: the ultimate guide to over 1,000 dog breeds, says they are just a bred down variety of the original. Cavalryman (talk) 00:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Merge. However, there is not a lot to merge. Most of the references are from the "Miniature Shar Pei of America" club website, and that website is no longer operational. What is left is one newspaper interview from nearly 20 years ago with a club member and of dubious reliability.  William Harris talk  04:28, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I will likely create a section or sub section with the above mentioned book as the primary if not only source used. Cavalryman (talk) 04:46, 3 July 2020 (UTC).
 * I concur; a reasonable approach.  William Harris Canis lupis track.svg talk Canis lupis track.svg 08:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Temperament/personality?
As it stands, the article says basically nothing about the typical personality or temperament of the breed. Seems like a major omission. I don't feel qualified to do it myself, though I do own a part-Shar Pei dog.JohnMason (talk) 23:46, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

 * Needs a reliable source independent of fanciers. A lot of temperament claims are nonsense made up by breeders to promote the breed. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:30, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Shar pei
Plural is Shar Pei (no s) Thanks Wikipedia There are two coats Brush coat- longer variety

Horse coat - short harsh this variety has curly thin tail

Thanks Wikipedia 2A00:23C5:7B00:601:CDB:75AF:D8AD:F482 (talk) 06:44, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

 * Do you have a source? Wiktionary says the plural is Shar-Peis and the OED also attests 'Sharpeis'. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:32, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Photo
Photo of Shar Pei:

https://www.ideegreen.it/cane-sharpei-66534.html 93.38.66.168 (talk) 21:14, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

https://www.ideegreen.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/sharpei3.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.38.66.168 (talk) 21:17, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

 * Bad image quality and the images also need to be licensable. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:32, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

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Mankin

Mankin may refer to:

People

 * Hart T. Mankin, American lawyer
 * Helen Douglas Mankin (1896-1956), American politician
 * Romi Mankin (b. 1947), Estonian physicist
 * Valentin Mankin (1938–2014), Soviet / Ukrainian sailor
 * Michael J. Mankin (b. 1948), American architect, disability rights leader.

Places

 * Mankien (or Mankin), a town in South Sudan
 * Mankin, Texas, an unincorporated community in the United States
 * Mankins, Texas, an unincorporated community in the United States

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NOW (manhwa)

NOW is a manhwa by Park Sung-woo. It is published by Seoul Munhwasa and serialized in the weekly magazine IQ Jump Comics. It was printed in the United States by ComicsOne until it closed, and then distributed by Infinity Studios, who mainly published newer volumes digitally, until it was also defunct, leaving the series incomplete to English-speakers.

Story
The story of NOW is set in Goguryeo and stars Bi-Ryu, a martial artist, and Ah-Rin, a bubbly girl with a sword, as they go on various adventures. The series is currently finished with 25 volumes in South Korea and up to 6 volumes in United States. NOW is an action/fighting oriented comic targeted towards male fans.

Sa-Shin-Mu disciples

 * Pa Goon-Sung's disciples
 * Bi-Ryu
 * The main character of NOW. Practitioner of the "Sashinmu" (사신무) killing style. He has distinct silver colored hair. He was the adopted grandson of North Star, and holds himself responsible for North Star's death. He seems to be developing a crush on Rin. Bi-Ryu is a rather simple young man, unable to catch up with the times on his own. This is shown when he and Ah-Rin prepare to embark on their quest. She asks if he is all packed, and if so, where are his things. He casts a finger to Cho-Ryung in response. He also had casually walked in on Yhun Ah-Rin and Cho Ryung in a bath, Bi Ryu asked directions and left as though she was not naked, Cho Ryung seems to have the same casualness. However, he is merciless in combat, referring to himself as a Sa-Shin, a death god. He has been shown to descend into a ferocious killing rage during battle, with Ah-Rin being the only one able to return him to normal.

 * Yu Sae-Ha
 * One of the male protagonists of NOW. A good person at first but is becomes twisted and evil by a traumatic incident in the first volume. Originally sent with his brothers to destroy Sashinmu's secrets upon his swordmaster's last wishes. He discovered his older brother had secretly been working for an opposing force, and was nearly killed by him. It was this brother's sword that left the scar on his cheek. Together, the two plunge into a chasm, and he barely survived unlike his brother. He acquires the Sashinmu killing technique from reading the Sashinmu book with the purpose of changing the world so as to acknowledge his strength and, indirectly, his reason for existing. Yu Sae-Ha's style of Sashinmu is unique, for it utilizes negative (ice / Yin) ki instead of positive (fire / Yang) ki, as a result of him having absorbed Yhun Ah-Ran's ki. Originally starting out as a shy and timid character, Yu Sae-Ha grows obsessed with power as the story goes on, willing to do anything to become stronger. He harbors feelings for Yhun Ah-Ran.

 * Yhun Oh-Rhang's disciples
 * Yhun Ah-Rin
 * The 15-year-old female protagonist of NOW. Though powerful thanks to her father's transferred Sashinmu energy, she is considered a bit of a klutz. She seems to be developing a romantic interest upon Bi-Ryu, starting from when Bi Ryu saw her naked body, her mother and sister have told her she has to marry the first man to see her naked body. Her mother, the legendary Whur Ha-Rhang(Lunar Ice in English version) (월하랑), has trained both her and her sister in the heavenly mountain sword stance, which constantly circulates a type of internal ki to accentuate constant movement in battle. However, when Ah-Rin was younger, she accidentally ingested a poisonous herb. To save her life, her father transmitted some of his own Sashinmu energy to her, thus saving her life and at the same time preventing her from mastering the sword stance at her current level.

 * Yhun Ah-Ran
 * Elder sister of Yhun Ah-Rin. Ah-Rin is much more stoic than her sister. After a confrontation with Bi-Ryu, she is left injured and drained of energy. It is here that she is captured and taken to Mother Demon's palace, where she is held captive until Yu-Sae Ha rescues her. It is discovered that she had killed Demon Mother's younger brother in an earlier confrontation during her search for Rin. She is eventually paired up with Yu Sae-Ha in a secondary storyline. Unlike her sister, Ah-Ran seems to have nearly, if not completely, mastered the stance, as she has displayed advanced techniques. However, as Yu Sae-Ha has absorbed her ki, it is unknown whether or not she is still able to fight.

 * Gi-Wang-Mu's disciple traveling with Bi-Ryu
 * Cho-Ryung
 * A feral cat-like girl that is the traveling companion of Ah-Rin and Bi-Ryu. She is unable to talk and instead makes animal-like noises to communicate. It is speculated that she is the creation of Mother Demon. Bi-Ryu considers her a simple piece of property, to which she holds no objection to. She is very powerful, able to make off with Ah-Rin's rather heavy sword at the beginning of the series holding it only by her teeth. Cho-Ryung, like most animals, despises water and only after being caught and forced will she bathe.

Myung Wang Shin Gyo

 * Head
 * The former head
 * She was also a reincarnation of Parvati. She is the eldest sister of Shiva and Ganesha. During a war between the Shaolin and the Myeong Wang Shin Gyo, she sacrificed herself by throwing her own body into fire in order to save Shiva and the Myong Wang Shin Gyo children.

 * Nirvana (니르바나)
 * A little girl introduced in volume 4, Nirvana is not all she appears to be. She is Indian and is first seen as a child who Ah-Gi has taken to kill and make into food. Bi-Ryu and Ah-Rin show up just in time to save her, though she shows no fear towards the man. He believes her to be a mute, as she has not spoken since he abducted her. Later, after meeting Bi Ryu's Party she speaks slowly with future predictions, accurately predicting Yhun Ah-Rin kicking Bi Ryu. It is also known that she apparently is wanted, as a group of assassins intrude upon Bi-Ryu's party and attempt to kill them to take Nirvana. She seems to like Cho Ryung, as she hugs her like a stuffed animal a lot (She's also the only one who can understand what Cho Ryung says). She carries the memory of the former heads of Myung Wong Shin Gyo, Parvati.

 * Chief minister and left-right ministers
 * Asura (아수라)
 * The former chief minister of Myung Wong Shin Gyo, master of Shiva. He and Sho-Rhim's head Cheon Jong were former friends, they planned to keep the peace between Chinese Martial World and Myung Gyo, but failed by the evil Sho-Rhim monk Cheon Seung, who only followed the way of power.

They were the ministers of Myung Wong Shin Gyo, in the generation of Shiva's eldest sister.
 * Brahma Brothers
 * After the Cult's House had been destroyed, they served Shiva as new chief minister. When they discovered that Shiva was using Yaksha's seal to create Ananga, they attempted to stop him but were defeated. The elder lost his eyes and two arms, while the younger lost the lower body. They combined to form a body to protect together. They taught Yu Sae-Ha the secret skill of Gyu Yeom — grandmaster of Sa-Shin-Mu — Pa-Yeol-Jin (Destroying Quake).

 * Shiva (시바)
 * Chief minister of Myeong Wang Shin Gyo. He used Yaksha's seal to create the Ananga to assist him in the way to destroy the Chinese Martial World.

 * Lakshmi (라크슈미)
 * Head of the security detail in Myeong Wang Shin Gyo. She and Ganesha make up the Ministers of the Right and Left respectively. Her primary duty is to provide security to the Chief Minister (Shiva). Her and Ganesha are apparently not on good terms. It is said that her powers are on par with Ganesha, but she is not the "brute force" type. Instead, she is known to make deals and use subversive methods to do her job. She often passes herself off as the "lovely little lady". When Ganesha returns with Yu Sae-Ha and Yhun Ah-Rin, Shiva requests that she "lightly spar" with Yu Sae-Ha. She displays here her actual strength, seeming to teleport to and from. It also seems her physical strength is above average, as with one kick, she sends Yu Sae-Ha flying upwards into the air, despite his unintentional defense. She also cares much for Rakshasha, despite her attempts to deny it.

 * Ganesha (가네샤)
 * The head of security in the Myung Wong Shin Gyo. He seems to be a controlling man, telling Ran and Rin's parents he had come to handle business with Mother Demon, but became captivated with their fighting skills. His apparently true purpose of coming was to obtain the secrets of Sashinmu. He seems to be powerful as well, escaping from the two skilled warriors with the only damage received the losing of the bottom portion of his mask. He entices Yu Sae-Ha to accompany him to Myeong Wang Shin Gyo along with Yhun Ah-Ran. It is later revealed that he is the twin (younger) brother of Shiva, and that he only takes off his mask when he is needed to "stand in" for Shiva in certain situations.

 * Chil-Rhun-Sa (Seven-Wheels Children)
 * Cheong Mo
 * Il-Rhun (, Sun Wheel)
 * A Westerner who, as a child, was brought into the East as a slave. He has the skill Dok-Shim-Sul (Mind-Reading Skill), as well as high-level Qing Gong. He tested Bi Ryu's strength before revealing him the way to the Myeong Wang Shin Gyo.

 * Unknown member - Whur-Rhun (, Moon Wheel)
 * He is the assassin sent to kill Ah-Rin in Mo-Yong house. But he is killed by Ja Hye and Mo-Yong Bi. In the end, he puts a joke: "I'm killed so fast that I can't present my name!".

 * Akni (아크니)
 * Hwa-Rhun (, Fire Wheel)

 * Baraha (바라하)
 * To-Rhun (, Earth Wheel)
 * Is his best status in the ground. Defeated by Bi-Ryu.

 * Matshia (마트시아)
 * Sue-Rhun (, Water Wheel)
 * Is his best battle status in the deep water. Defeated by Ah-Rin.

 * Hanuman (하누만)
 * Mok-Rhun (, Wooden Wheel)
 * Uses the poisonous insects to eliminate opponents. Defeated by Mo-Yong Rin and Hyun.

 * Rakshasha (라크샤샤)
 * Kim-Rhun (, Metal Wheel)
 * Best in assassination. Defeated by Ah-Ran.

 * Gwi-Wang-Mo's faction (Lady Demon King Mother)
 * Gwi-Wang-Mo
 * An old lady with powerful strength. She raised Cho Ryung, So Goon, Shi Rang, and the Mae Ran Guk Juk. Her desire to become the strongest in the Wulin World went to smoke when she met Yhun Orang. Ultimately, she died by the hands of Lakshmi, but not before showing last bit of kindness to her pupil, So Gun.

 * So Gun
 * A beautiful cross-dressing boy. He used to envy "Baek-Rhang-Gyeon" (White Wolf-Dog), who actually is Cho-Ryung, because his master praised her very highly. After his master's death, he sets out to seek revenge against Ma Yeom Cheol, who he mistakenly believed had killed his master.

 * Shi Rang
 * Another cross-dressing boy in Gi-Wang-Mu's faction. After Cho-Ryung's escape, the Demon Mother had Shi Rang wearing the hand-claws with hope equal to Cho-Ryung's ability.

 * The four sisters
 * Mae, Ran, Guk, Juk are the guardian quadruplets protecting their master. They are later "freed" after So Gun, who wished them to experience freedom, decided to undertake the revenge for his master by himself. Their names are flowers: Ochna, Orchid, Chrysanthemum, Phyllostachys

 * Others
 * Britra (브리트라)
 * A powerful fighter of Myung Wong Shin Gyo. He provoked Sae-Ha and Ah-Ran when they first came there. Defeated and killed by Sae-Ha after his training with the Brahma brothers, two former ministers of Myung Wong Shin Gyo in Shiva's eldest sister's generation.

 * Ah-Gi
 * An evil monk who is also a cannibal. He wields a cooking knife attached to a chain, which emits loud clinking sounds meant to distract the opponent during battle and perhaps make up for a lack of physical strength. He flaunts himself as a master cook. As the story progresses, Ah-Gi becomes more of a comic relief character than an actual threat. He has his own pages, located at the end of the Manhwa, called "Ask Ah-Gi," a short comical strip of few pages where he (supposedly) answers questions from the readers, often involving Ah-Rin and Ah-Ran, and ends up getting beaten up/stabbed/slashed/etc. by the two girls.

 * Dharma (다르마)
 * An antagonist introduced in volume 4, he is a large muscular man with dark skin. His weapon is a spear named Shin-Chang NAGA that absorbs all his negative ki thus giving him the ability to hide his ki in fights. He is defeated by Bi Ryu, after mortally wounding Yhun Ah Rin. This inspires Bi-Ryu to "pass judgement" and deliver the "Seven Dark Star Attacks" upon the man and finally kill him. His last sight is that of Nirvana, whom he states is the Founder of Myeong Wang Shin Gyo.

 * Seop Poong (섭풍)
 * An assassin from Gi-Ryung-Bae, an assassin faction. He is the younger brother of Seop Jung, who was killed by Whur Ha-Rhang in The Legend of the Sirius. Followed by the author, his name came from the name of the protagonist of the manhua Feng Yun, Nie Feng.

 * Ma Yeom-Cheol
 * Also known as Ryong-Ma-Do-Jae (Longma Saber's Emperor). His daughter is kept hostage by Myeong Wang Shin Gyo, so he must obey the cult's orders. He was ordered to kill the Mother of the Demon King, but before he would do so, Lakshmi intervened and killed the Mother.

Yhun Oh-Rhang's Family

 * Yhun Oh-Rhang
 * Only one to have mastered the complete sashinmu, Yhun Oh-Rhang is said to be even stronger than Pa Goon-Sung, the eldest disciple of Gyu Yeom. He is also the father of Yhun Ah-Rin and Yhun Ah-Ran.

 * Whur Ha-Rhang
 * Master of Heavenly Mountain Sword Stance and also mother of Yhun Ah-Rin and Yhun Ah-Ran.

Gyu Yeom's Disciple
He's a person from Goguryeo (고구려), teacher of Ah-Rin. In the war between Goryeo and Chinese Martial World, he killed Ja Hye's sisters so when he met Mo Yong Bi again, he cut one of his arms to apologize.
 * Ghyur Mah-Ro

Shin Ryong Moon (Shen Long Faction)

 * Juk Woon
 * So-Hyang

Mo-Yong Bi's Family

 * Mo-Yong Bi
 * In his younger days Mo-Yong Bi has fought Yhun Oh-Rhang and Ghyur Mah-Ro as enemies. However since those days he has corrected his ways and gave up fighting and picked up medical skill (holistic medical skills are very close to pressure point based martial arts).

 * Ja Hye
 * She was a servant/assassin to Mo-Yong Bi in his younger days. NOWJa Hye is Mo-Yong Bi's wife. During the fight between Yhun Oh-Rhang, Ghyur Mah-Ro, and Mo-Yong Bi, Ja Hye has lost two of her younger sister who were also Mo-Yong Bi's servant/assassin.

 * Mo-Yong Rin
 * The adopted daughter of Mo-Yong Bi.

 * Mo-Yong Hyun
 * The adopted son of Mo-Yong Bi.

Sho-Rhim-Sa (Shaolin Temple)

 * Head
 * Cheon Jong
 * The former friend of Asura. He and Asura wanted to prevent the battle of Myung Gyo and Mu- Rhim (World of Martial Artists).

They are the elder monks of Sho-Rhim Temple. Their name are Cheon Kwang, Cheon Gak, Cheon Seung, Cheon Woon.
 * Elders
 * Cheon Seung (천승)
 * Though he is not Sho-Rhim's head, he is the most powerful monk.

Others

 * Im Chol-Sim
 * An old man who was an expert martial artist, but retired. He saved Bi-Ryu and Ah-Rin after their fight against Dharma.

Publishers
NOW was originally published by ComicsOne Corp. On 15 June 2005 Infinity Studios LLC took over publishing, announced that will be republishing the first 5 volumes in the series.

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Talk:Pharaoh Hound

Links
Should this page have links to sites that propagate the "Egyptian myth?" The UK Club spins quite a few yarns with no source materail as usual.

Merged Ind Issues into one Mul Issues Header.
I am removing the individual tags for issues and placing a a multiple issues header, as a couple of the sources needed tags are outdated and more issues need to be addressed.

1) Sources needed. Many sections contain no sources, including appearance temperament and care.

2) Original research. I decided to add this as well, although it could be argued redundant considering that sources are needed. My main concern is the unsourced sections about the temperment of the dog, particularly if someone were reading this to determine whether or not to own a pharoaoh hound.

3) Condense/Repetition. Many sections are redundant. An easily noticeable example is the first time of 'temperment and care'. Many sections either need to be removed or expanded. For example the competitions and shows section. This info doesn't seem very relevent imo. Maybe it would be better to replace or supplement this with clubs, numbers etc.

I will try to come back and make some of these improvements myself, but it will be at the bottom of the list, in hopes that someone who knows about this dogs (or even dog breeds for that matter), would be better suited for the job.

Sulfurboy (talk) 05:22, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

On the desert: Jean-Léon Gérôme
This romanticised painting by Jean-Léon Gérôme quite clearly does not represent in any way the "Pharaoh Hound". The location & period of the work, as well as the nationality of the artist, plus the conformation of the two dogs, can only suggest they are sloughi-type dogs, or idealised "Oriental greyhounds". The presence of the image on the page only serves to prolong the myth of the Ancient Egyptian origin of the Kelb tal-fenek.--Richard Hawkins (talk) 13:06, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Close paraphrasing
, you've added a close-paraphrasing tag here. Did you notice similarity to some specific external page? If so, it'd be helpful if you'd mention it here. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:29, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I used Earwig's copyvio detector and it showed very close similarities to two external pages. Sorry about that. Aspening (talk) 21:34, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * There's nothing to apologise for, – thanks for keeping an eye open for copyvio! My initial guess is that both those pages copied from us, but I'll try to check in detail tomorrow (sleep now!). If you don't see an answer here within 48 hours please ping me! Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:58, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, over three years have passed. I've just run another check and found no evidence of copying (the page has been substantially rewritten, a good deal of that by me). I've removed the close-paraphrasing tag for now;, do you still have any concerns? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:55, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

National dog of Malta?
Does Malta have a "National Dog"? If so, by what legislative instrument was it made so, and when? I had expected to find answers on www.gov.mt, but found that it was silent on the subject (this page in particular might be expected to mention an important national symbol such as a dog). I've removed the claim from the article pending confirmation that this is more than just a wild claim made by journalists incapable of distinguishing fact from fantasy. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:18, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Phalène

Phalene vs Papillion
As a variation of the Papillion, I don't think it is justifiable that the Phalene has its own article. I think this should be merged with the Papillion. (MacDogald (talk) 10:06, 14 November 2011 (UTC))

on recognition
They are, too recognized, usually as a variant of the pap. Please change or add appropriate note in breed box. Quill 06:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

 * All "someone" has to do is find the appropriate links and add to the table--here's the syntax and some good starting points to find the pages:

 * fcigroup= ...
 * fcisection= ...
 * fcinum= ...
 * fcistd= http://www.dogdomain.com/fci-1.htm] Use this link to find stds
 * akcgroup= ...
 * akcstd= http://www.akc.org/breeds/complete_breed_list.cfm] use this link to find stds
 * ankcgroup= ...
 * ankcstd= http://www.ankc.aust.com/breed_list.html] use this link to find stds
 * ckcgroup= ...
 * ckcstd= http://www.canadasguidetodogs.com/breedlist.htm] use this link to find stds
 * kcukgroup= ...
 * kcukstd= http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/discoverdogs/groupIndex.html] use this link to find stds
 * nzkcgroup= ...
 * nzkcstd= http://www.nzkc.org.nz/dogselect.html] use this link to find stds
 * ukcgroup = ...
 * ukcstd = http://www.ukcdogs.com/breeds] use this link to find stds
 * Helpfully (ok only marginally, but it's bed time), Elf | Talk 06:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Should be merged with Papillon.
This should be merged with the papillon, they are the exact same dog just with different ear types. SpookMew (talk) 23:32, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a merge discussion in progress on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. Annwfwn (talk) Annwfwn (talk) 17:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever

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Photo
As requested on WP:RP, I've replaced the earlier face-only photo with Image:IggyTheToller01.jpg. —Ilmari Karonen 05:29:33, 2005-08-30 (UTC)

Can we change the photo for the Duck Toller, including every other dog?
I have a good one, just use the link below to find it

https://vgl.ucdavis.edu/panel/nova-scotia-duck-tolling-retriever-health-panel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.23.154.148 (talk) 23:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That image is copyrighted and cannot be used on Wikipedia. One source to prove copyright is https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/nova-scotia-duck-tolling-retriever-sitting-against-white-background-gm943996260-257887019
 * I'm not sure what you mean by "including every other dog" though. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:03, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Template:Portal-inline
Hello, as noted at the top of WP:P, which includes WP:PORTL, the page is an out of date information page, not a style guide or policy. On the other hand MOS:DECOR is part of a community authorised style guide. If you wish to include iconography for a portal link, the correct template to use is (see MOS:SEEALSO), I have amended the template accordingly. Cavalryman (talk) 10:36, 16 August 2021 (UTC).
 * SEEALSO makes no mention of how to use a portal nor does DECOR. It seems to me your own interpretation of both. Shall we continue the inane edit war you started with your opinion, would you like to point to a specific place where it states portals with icons may not be used in see also sections, or shall we take this to a larger community? Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:05, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Respectfully I will pull you up on your accusation of edit warring, you commenced it by reverting my revert of you, per BRD you should have commenced a discussion, something I have done here. If you can demonstrate an encyclopedic purpose for a miniaturised photograph of a Labrador Retriever in the see also section of a Toller I will gladly concede, but as far as I can tell it only purely decorative. A separated portal template or portal bar is a different story. Cavalryman (talk) 00:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC).
 * Well, that deteriorated quickly. We both edit warred so please drop your gloves and you are misreading BRD, as you were bold, I reverted and you at the point had the choice to continue, but you reverted again.
 * I cannot demonstrate what you are asking. Can you show me where the discussion to exclude portals with icons from see also sections? If your next response does not do so (and instead makes inaccurate accusations, as this previous did) I will go to a larger forum. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:24, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Very happy to lay down arms, it’s never productive when two good faith editors clash. A recent discussion between the members of WP:DOGS and WP:WPPORT occurred here, where consensus was to exclude the icon from see also sections. As far as I can discern, the only rationale for including such as icon is to draw attention towards the link and away from other, possibly more relevant, links in the section, it is purely decorative. As such I see no encyclopedic purpose to it. Regards, Cavalryman (talk) 01:34, 17 August 2021 (UTC).
 * So again, it's your interpretation that it should not be included (even though of GAs have them). I have no problems with having them on the right side. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:21, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Infobox photo
Hello I have noticed the back and forward with the infobox image so thought I would start a discussion. For an infobox image I believe a dog standing in profile is better than a front on image as it better summarises the breed (looking at the camera is fine), optimally it is also fully grown, healthy with good conformation and not overweight, please see MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE: the purpose of an infobox ... [is to] to summarize ... key facts that appear in the article.

The options being presented plus a couple of others I have found are:

As such, I think the status quo (#1) image is unsatisfactory, I do not believe it gives an adequate appreciation of the breed as the dog is front on and sitting. #2 is also unsatisfactory. I think any of numbers 3–5 above are satisfactory, if I had to list my preferences it would be #4, #5 then #3 but I would happy with any of them. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 23:36, 25 August 2021 (UTC). Further, per WP:NOTGALLERY, the image gallery in the article needs a serious overhaul, it appears to be an unencyclopedic picture repository, we have commons for that. Cavalryman (talk) 00:01, 26 August 2021 (UTC).
 * Thanks for the ping. The main characteristics that I think we should be attempting to demonstrate are the overall reddish colour, blaze (white mark on nose), boots (white marks on the paws), white underside and tip of the tail. Another characteristic is the barrelled chest. Granted the standard (for AKC I believe) goes on to state "Dogs with white on the shoulders, around ears, back of neck, across back or flanks, or with silvery, grey or black areas in coat are disqualified".
 * Image 1 is not ideal because the dog is seated and we cannot clearly see the tail.
 * With 2, the dog is wet and is the least preferable for me, even though the bread is a water dog.
 * In 3, the colour of the dog is almost brown but the other characteristics are present.
 * In 4, the blaze is not seen but is otherwise a great photo.
 * In 5, the white paws blend in with the snow and so that characteristic is missing.
 * I have a sneaking suspicion that Gionabalena is an owner of a dog in the breed and could possibly add another image that would be a great standard. Barring a late entry, I would argue that including 4 in the infobox would be good and having the other two images that are presently in the body demonstrate the blaze. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:45, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I am very happy with using #4, it is a good looking lean dog. I used to frequently look after a friend's Toller, unfortunately they have moved interstate so I cannot try to get another shot. Cavalryman (talk) 02:01, 26 August 2021 (UTC).

Hi,I don't have a Toller but a Border Collie. I accept your choices if they make the page more beautiful Gionabalena (talk) 06:44, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ The photo has been changed. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 22:08, 30 August 2021 (UTC).
 * Thank you. Should we address the gallery? Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:08, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Excellent idea, yes. Personally I think the whole thing should be deleted and potentially some of the pictures dragged up into the body if they can be linked to relevant text. What are your thoughts? Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 23:25, 30 August 2021 (UTC).
 * I was never happy with the gallery. I'll let you use your excellent judgment to select a few representative images that match the copy and quietly retire the rest of the gallery. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:33, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have given it a quick trim, I thought there was only one worth retaining. Please feel free to adjust, amend, replace or revert as you see fit. Cavalryman (talk) 00:53, 31 August 2021 (UTC).
 * Where have you been all my editing days? Those captions were great! Thanks again. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:54, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

The changes are unnecessary and the side profile does not show one of the key characteristics of the breed. The issues with your unilaterally selected new photo is that it does not accurately reflect the breed standards. head like a fox, white tall, pink or liver nose, white markings on forehead, white blaze on chest, white socks. By having a side profile you cannot see these adequately. Given the image has been up since 2011 and possibly earlier without complaint it is unnecessary to change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottyten (talk • contribs) 20:34, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * thank you for finally coming to the discussion but your edit warring is completely inappropriate. I appreciate this is a photo of your dog, very cute, but unfortunately it does not give an adequate appreciation of the breed and so is unsuited for use in the infobox. Further, there is already a head shot in the appearance section that describes the fox-like head. Cavalryman (talk) 22:24, 31 August 2021 (UTC).
 * The seated image has other issues. Have you reviewed the discussion above? Can you suggest an image that better represents the breed? Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Cavalryman, It's not an edit war when it's restoring a longstanding image. Can you please share why it is not an adequate appreciation of the breed? Are you registered with the Nova scotia Club for your state? What is inappropriate is removing a photo that has been the standard for 10 years after discussing with one person and not allowing for a consensus.The new proposed image does not meet your own criteria, so it would be great to discuss what the consensus is?  Scottyten (talk) 07:19, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It is an edit war by definition. See WP:EDITWAR. In short, you made four reverts in under 10 hours, and that could pretty much get you a short block. I just restored the consensus version until a new consensus is reached.
 * We have explained why the previous image is not ideal. Care to read it? Care to offer why it is better (aside from showing the head)? Walter Görlitz (talk) 08:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It is not ideal as you can not see the white on nose or tail, the socks are obscured with snow. It is a good looking dog but does not reflect the breed as there are key characteristics missing.Front on is more relevant as it clearly shows the facial features. People often mistake these for Golden retrievers and selecting a photo that is similar and not front on risks compounding this. Please respect the status quo untila new consensus is reached.Furthermove 50% of the breed standards are dedicated to facial features see here -https://images.akc.org/pdf/breeds/standards/NovaScotiaDuckTollingRetriever.pdf Scottyten (talk) 08:45, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * My choice is no. 4, second choice no. 5. Denisarona (talk) 09:37, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Scottyten, my, your or any contributor’s association (or not) with any breed club is completely irrelevant to this discussion. We have stated above why we think your photo is ill suited for the infobox. Cavalryman (talk) 11:25, 1 September 2021 (UTC).
 * Sorry, I had to re-work the replies again.
 * Scottyten makes a point about the importance of the dog's head I glossed over earlier, but since the dog is a Canadian breed, what the AKC has to say about its standard is not as relevant as what the CKC has to say: https://www.ckc.ca/en/Choosing-a-Dog/Choosing-a-Breed/Sporting-Dogs/Retriever-Nova-Scotia-Duck-Tolling . You'll see that the dog they have there is standing, in profile and wet. Its blaze is obvious. Markings on the tip of its tail and front of chest are visible while its boots are not. I also recognize that the head of any breed is described in detail. Take for instance these two Canadian Eskimo Dog and Labrador Retriever. SO to suggest that the head is more important with this breed and therefore should be a primary focus in our image is not relevant. The key feature on the had is not its fox-like shape, as the CKC does not use the work fox in its standard, but its blaze, which is described. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:39, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Walter The Canadian breed standard can be found here, it is almost identical, as funnily enough standards are fairly consistent. the page you have linked to is just a brief summary > https://www.ckc.ca/CanadianKennelClub/media/Breed-Standards/Group%201/Retriever-Nova-Scotia-Duck-Tolling.pdf As you can see the head is still a significant component of the standard. The fox reference is listed in the current Wikipedia article, and the reasoning for the colour and shape of a Toller is to resemble a fox to be used in hunting. I have a lot of experience with these breeds, owning multiple purebreds and I am registered with 2 kennel clubs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottyten (talk • contribs) 22:59, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Scottyten, to reiterate your membership with any breed or kennel club is irrelevant. To quote the breed standard, Colour is various shades of red or orange with lighter featherings and underside of tail, and usually at least one of the following white markings - tip of tail, feet (not exceeding beyond the pasterns), chest, and blaze. A dog of otherwise high quality is not to be penalized for lack of white. (Bolding mine) I stand by my pervious opinion that any of numbers 3–5 are fine for the infobox, my preferences in order are 4, 5 & 3, the current consensus photo clearly has a white markings on the chest and feet. Cavalryman (talk) 23:22, 1 September 2021 (UTC).
 * Scottyten, as you could see if you had read what I wrote, it's no more a significant component of the standard than other breeds. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:44, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @CAVALRYMAN, you have not addressed the requirement of the head, please understand those who are actively involved with the breed have a greater understanding of the standards and representations pput forward. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottyten (talk • contribs) 02:54, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Scottyten: Please stop claiming that there is something special about the head when compared to other breeds. Please understand that you do not a corner on the facts of this case. If you do not express an opinion on which of the five images presented above you prefer and why you do not prefer the others, or if you do not offer a new image to consider, there's really nothing that we can do to help you further. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:30, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I have been curating this page since 2011 and your changes (without being associated with the breed) are not in line with the best interest of the breed. The original image is the most suitable out of the 5, but if a better image is found then I am open to changing it.Scottyten (talk) 04:43, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping. You do not WP:OWN this article though, and your opinion does not carry more weight than others. That is how WP:RS and WP:CONSENSUS works.
 * The fact that you added "fox" to the article does not make it a necessary feature to be demonstrated.
 * You have not explained why image one is the best choice and the others do not.
 * What evidence do you have that I am not associated with the breed?
 * Our interest is with Wikipedia, not the breed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:02, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I did not add the fox,
 * I have added in quite a lot of detail on why the new one is not relevant
 * ″And for the record, I own a Toller cross, but she has recognizable Toller features so I am in no way ignorant of the breed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:11, 31 August 2021 (UTC)″
 * Wikipedia is an important resource for a less common breed and its best managed by people connected/familiar with the breed Scottyten (talk) 05:11, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Scottyten, the page indicates all of your contributions to this page have been to insert this picture into the infobox (see here), are you saying you have an undisclosed separate account you also edit under? Cavalryman (talk) 05:16, 2 September 2021 (UTC).
 * Well blast. I lost my edit due to a conflict. In short, sorry for claiming you made the "fox" claim. It was made without a reference in May 2005 and it still goes unsourced. It should probably be removed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:19, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Cavalryman, not sure where you are pulling that assumption from?! You might be mistaken Scottyten (talk) 05:21, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * To address the topic, you stated I have been curating this page since 2011 but here are your edits:
 * 2011-02-10T07:01:19 diff hist +17 Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever  Inserted the image you uploaded to commons.
 * 2015-05-24T10:32:02 diff hist −23 Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever  Current dog does not have white markings on face typical of breed, also has black nose which is not unique to breed. Restoring the image.
 * 2021-08-31T10:40:31 diff hist +30 m Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever  Restored image following editing war - This image has been up for 10 years, change is unnecessary Tag: Reverted Restoring the image.
 * 2021-08-31T12:09:55 diff hist +30 Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever  Undid revision 1041595121 by Cavalryman (talk). Again this photo has been up for 10 years. Unilaterally changing it with a quick discussion by 2 people is not sufficient. Particularly as none of the editors owned or bred the breed. Tags: Undo Reverted Restoring the image.
 * 2021-08-31T12:13:34 diff hist +30 Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever  Undid revision 1041597610 by Denisarona (talk) Restored to long-standing image Tags: Undo Reverted Restoring the image.
 * 2021-08-31T20:21:05 diff hist +30 m Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever  Undid revision 1041605305 by Denisarona (talk). Restored image to image that has been in place since 2011 after the original was removed. Please stop changing and will move to tak page. The new image added is not a good fit as it does not show boxy head, white on tail, colour is to dark. Latest changes are not in line with breed standard and it is unnecessary to change status quo due to one persons opinion. Will request pause edits Tag: Undo Restoring the image.
 * 2021-09-01T20:42:47 diff hist +30 Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever  Restored long standing image/status quo whilst consensus is discussed as per SOPs. Left date changes below. Discussion ongoing on talk page. Tag: Reverted
 * 2021-09-02T02:52:39 diff hist +17 Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever  Tags: Manual revert Reverted Restoring the image and adding some content.
 * 2021-09-02T03:01:13 diff hist +15 Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever  LISTED FOR PAGE PROTECTION DUE TO EDIT Warring & Long standing image being removed. Left second on temporarily Tag: Reverted Adding a second image.
 * So maintaining your image in this article has been the extent of your involvement here since 2011, with the exception of one edit.
 * @Scottyten, yet you assume that because I have a Toller cross that I am not associated with the breed. Stellar logic. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:38, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Walter you are welcome to start a Toller Cross page if you prefer. @Cavalryman Yes 2011 is 10 years. @Both I have no problem changing it to something better, but 2 people (who just had an edit war) deciding to change it without consenus or time frame is not sufficient. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottyten (talk • contribs) 05:58, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Three editors have determined that the image is better and have provided reasons.
 * You are welcome to stop claiming ownership of this article because you are a breed owner. You are also welcome to stop claiming no one else has an interest in the breed just because you think they doe not (or have no right to). You are also welcome to read and understand CONSENSUS. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:22, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Infobox photo – break
Scottyten, you have said you have no problem changing it to something better, as we have all stated we find your picture unsuitable let's assume it's not an option being considered. Which of the above photos (of numbers 3–4) do you find acceptable? Or can you suggest an alternate? Cavalryman (talk) 06:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC).
 * The article was protected several days ago and Scottyten has made no effort at compromise and has not recognized anyone else's opinion as valid on the topic, essentially claiming the consensus change as invalid because they disagree with it. Do we expect this to change when the page is unlocked in several days? Walter Görlitz (talk) 10:55, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Alas, I suspect not. We will have to wait and see. There are now five participants in this discussion, three oppose the old image and have given their reasons (basically that the sitting front-on image does not give a complete appreciation of the breed), one is agnostic (but had twice previously tried to replace the old image) and only one wants to maintain the old image, they believe there needs to be a greater focus on the breed’s head as rationale for maintaining the picture.
 * opinion seems to be pretty firmly against returning to the old image, I ask again Which of the above photos (of numbers 3–4) do you find acceptable? Or can you suggest an alternate? Cavalryman (talk) 22:58, 5 September 2021 (UTC).
 * I find it unreasonable and possibly sexist that you think that having a female dog on the page is not acceptable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.131.156.173 (talk) 07:38, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you are now clutching at straws. Again, if you can state your preference from the above numbers 3–4 or suggest an alternate photo that would be appreciated. Cavalryman (talk) 08:40, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If you can show where we even used the dog's as a reason for exclusion you could have a point, otherwise, it is not at issue. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:25, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

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Capitalize
If no one objects, I would like to move this page from the lower case Mackenzie River husky to Mackenzie River Husky. Vortex 22:11, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

 * To be in line with all other dog breed standards, this should be done, go for it! (actually, i just will) - Trysha (talk) 23:50, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Mackenzie River Wolfdog?
Do you have any supporting cites for this claim? Who else refers to Mackenzies as "Wolfdogs"? Edgewise 20:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Small text == Abot breed (in my opinion) ==

Aww, this dog in the photo is so cute!

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Origin
The second sentence in the first paragraph is "quite certain" that the miniature pinscher is descended from a mix of Italian greyhound and Daschund, but the referenced article, from the American Kennel Club, makes it plain that this is speculative at best. William J Bean (talk) 20:27, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Children
The article says Min Pins are "not necessarily bad with children". I'm not sure this is true. I believe a word of caution is in order. Min Pins tend to be more territorial and aggressive around children, especially when they encounter children they haven't met before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jc174 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

The above comment has been discarded by a number of behaviourists and owners. Min Pins are not necessarily bad with children; however, if any dog is not socialised or offered the correct guidance, behavioural problems, in this case in regard to children, may emerge. Children should be careful with particularly small or fragile dogs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jc174 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.222.221.50 (talk)

Edited Colors Section
Material about efforts to breed new colors was unsourced and not a standard practice for maintaining a consistent, old breed. I also clarified (I hope) the section about what colors are considered standard in the show ring in different countries. There is something of a controversy that the UK allows the blue/rust combination and others do not, but I left out the controversy and just stated the facts. Oh, I also fixed the link to the German Pinschers page here on wikipedia and provided a link to a photo on wikimedia commons, helping to explain that the minpin came before the doberman. Subversified (talk) 04:44, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Removed Image Request
I removed the image request, since we now have images. I replaced an old image with a new one for the table.

This is a link to the old image:

thumb|150px|none|Miniature Pinscher

Roodog2k 16:37, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks! Elf | Talk 16:48, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I can get photos of a young, fawn coloured miniature pinscher if you like. - raptor 02:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Nothing bad said about the minipin Gotti, but the picture is messy and does not have a very high photographic standard. Should be changed with a more representative picture. --PeterKristo (talk) 18:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I've changed the picture of Gotti with another. If somebody want Gotti back, I suggest either taking a new picture, or place it lower down on the page. The image is not representative for race illustration purposes. Gotti's owners: please do not take this personal - Gotti is a beautiful dog! PeterKristo (talk) 17:00, 17 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.202.94.117 (talk)

Rescue links need to come out
See User_talk:Roodog2k. Elf | Talk 20:07, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Cleaned up article
changed minpin to Min Pin correctly. Added akc to external links.Also changed some dates in history section. Dos lingo 23:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Someone who speaks German or knows the meaning of the term needs to correct the definition of "pinscher." In the introductory section it says that Pinscher means "terrier," while the history section says it doesn't mean terrier, but "biter." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.66.52 (talk) 22:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

 * hi. native german here. "pinscher" deviates from "pinschen=kneifen/zwicken" and means "to pinch", -or as you said "biter". the terrier is a totally different kind of dog and is called "terrier" in german too.
 * by the way another thing that catched my eye: reh is the german word for deer. there are still deer in our forests, trust me^^. oh and in germany miniature pinscher are still called zwergpinscher as today. from the article you get the idea that those two were different breeds but they aren't. 92.200.186.240 (talk) 12:13, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I have a general comment about the "Appearence" section of this site. The first couple sentences of the "appearence" section seem to be exact quotes from the American Kennel Club site. I think that the proper practice in this situation is to places the words in quotation marks, instead of simply giving a citation at the end of the line(s). Thoughts, anyone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.73.33.210 (talk) 01:23, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Temperament
There are some really strange phrases under the temperament heading.

Little "Napoleon". Where did that come from?

They look mean. Do they really look mean, or did one person think they looked mean because they saw Resident Evil?

They're not for everyone.

I found this whole section extremely negative. Yes, Min Pins need lots of exercise to help them expel all their energy. They need to be leashed. However, they are also spirited, curious, loving, and lots of fun. My min pin loves kids, is not ever crated, is 100% house/pad trained and as long as we put all our socks away he doesn't chew anything except his toys. If I were to edit this section I would take the whole thing out and rewrite it. Am I allowed to do that? I don't know wikipedia etiquette.

hard to house train and one of the most difficult breeds to housetrain? i am taking this out. this is complete nonsense. a min pin can be house broken within 2-3 weeks without much effort. they love to please and when they see how happy you are at their behavior they repeat it without much trouble. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.249.50.254 (talk) 15:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

just saw this...."Little napoleon" is a common name for them, it is written in many books and articles. you can cite if you like. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.249.50.254 (talk) 15:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Hard to housetrain should be put back in! Just because one person's personal dogs were easy to housetrain is not representative of the breed. It is well documented that the breed is harder to house train (as many smaller dog breeds are.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.98.223.136 (talk) 18:43, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I don't think they are hard to train at all. I currently have 2 adults that I'v raised from 2 months, and 2 puppies that are 2 months old. In the past I had one more that I raised to adulthood from a pup. Many other people that I know have mini pinschers that they raised as well. I have never come across anyone that found it hard to train them. This is a relatively easy breed to train.

They are bred to live indoors. I live in an apartment, and most of the people that I know that have pinschers live in apartments... some with roommates. If I hadn't seen it written before that pinschers can get sufficient exercise indoors, I would think maybe the people I know are the exception. However, my common sense is inline with written material that can be found, that says that they're size allows them to get sufficient exercise indoors. Sirpent (talk) 19:41, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I believe there are serious errors in this section. There seem to be a lot of uncited generalizations. Where's the proof they're hard to housetrain? Mine are both fine. Also, the unprovoked biting stuff....ridiculous statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Breezee88 (talk • contribs) 01:43, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

My Min Pin is 3 years old, and was very stubborn right out of the whelping box. He lives with myself, my husband, and 4 kids. He regards me, and me only, as the "pack leader". He obeys only me, and is very affectionate towards me. He often disobeys ,or disregards orders from other members of our household. He "challenged" me often when he was younger, and also was difficult to house train. He is very intelligent, yet I have found it difficult to teach him tricks at times.

(Last paragraph by someone else.) Hard to house train should be put in. Personal anecdotal experience should not be the basis of if someone feels the breed (as a whole) is more difficult to housebreak than others. There is numerous documentation from trainers and reliable source that state that Min Pins, like many small/toy breeds, rank higher as having a higher likelihood of having housebreaking issues including documentation from the Miniature Pinscher Club of America, Inc.. Note I did not say ALL or even most, we are just talking averages with comparisons to others. Min Pin rescue has oft cited housebreaking as a top reason they are abandoned and there are plenty of references that concur with this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kdntz (talk • contribs) 21:08, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

This entire section needs to rewritten. There are no citations and as a whole is poorly written. Articles on dogs should not say things like "they need to feel involved" as that assumes something we can not prove, UNLESS you are including it with a citation. Using anthropomorphic language indicates a lack of objectivity. Rephrase with wording such as "Min Pins appear to thrive when they are involved..." or actually the first sentence is enough. The sentence "If you have a bored miniature pinscher it will eventually become destructive" adds nothing that is different from most dogs. Use citation to explain anything that you are stating as a fact. Example: ACK.org lists the Min Pin temperment as "Fearless animation, complete self-possession, and spirited presence." Kdntz (talk) 21:29, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

The Miniature Pinscher Aficionado's ... link needs to come out.
This is a retail site, not a credible source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.98.223.136 (talk) 18:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC) My Min Pin is 3 years old and was very stubborn right out of the whelping box. He lives with myself, my husband, and 4 kids. He regards me, and me only, as the "pack leader". He obeys only me, and is affectionate, usually, only with me. He also was difficult to house train. He is very intelligent, yet difficult to teach tricks.

Gate vs. Gait
You use the former and I think you mean to use the latter. 76.88.16.180 (talk) 03:21, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Pinscher is the German word for terrier
(From the opening paragraph) I can't find any evidence of this. The German word for terrier, according to my Oxford Duden German dictionary, as well as several online sources, is terrier. I cannot find any instance where pinscher is said to mean terrier. Additionally, the Wikipedia link to pinscher makes no mention of terriers. Novernae (talk) 18:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree as one who has been breeding and raising these dogs for nearly 50 years I learned from friends in Germany that the word "pinscher" translates in English to "pincher". Which in reference to the breed was used to describe the biting action when it holds its prey. When I first mentioned the term Terrier as the definition to Pinscher, they thought it was funny how Americans seem to always assume instead of just asking. According to them, the word pinscher simply put does not translate to terrier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.224.198 (talk) 03:26, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Don't Be Stupid
I have had several dogs in my life including Min-Pins and they are generally VERY good dogs with anybody. Of course there are some exceptions, just like any dog, but you should not judge ALL Min-Pins by the actions of the few, who unfortunatly have poor quality owners. Have you ever heard the saying "You get what you give"? That could not be more true when it comes to dogs. If you do it properly you can train ANY animal to do what you would like it to, even a cat.

Take my animals, for example. I currently have 1 Min-Pin, 1 Pembroke Welsh Corgi, 2 cats and a bird. They are ALL trained to not only do tricks, that's right my cats do tricks, But to co-habitate with each other peacefully. I have never had problems with any of them, period, so if you have problems with your Min-Pin or other pets it is probably your fault. Your pets only goal in life is to make YOU happy. Not itself. I am a firm believer that there is no such thing as a BAD pet, only bad OWNERS. As long as you socialize them properly you will have a GREAT pet.

P.S. You should NEVER fully trust what a retail store has to say because they have an agenda to SELL you a PRODUCT. Not to help you find a PET. I know this because I have worked at a couple of different pet stores, large and small, both out front and back in the kennels. Unfortunatly, to them your future pet is just another piece of inventory. 75.73.135.175 (talk) 16:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Is the Miniature Pinscher actually related to the Doberman Pinscher?
Although documentation is fuzzy (I cannot locate any) and despite their physical likeness, the Miniature Pinscher may not be related to the Doberman Pinscher. It is actually believed to be a cross-breeding of the Small Short-haired Terrier with the Dachshund and the Italian Greyhound. At least that's what the breeder told me when I bought my minpin and made the faux pas of referring to it as a miniature Doberman.

My Dog Is Bart (talk) 22:35, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually, to answer your question, the miniature pinscher is actually an older breed than the doberman by about a century. The Min Pin is a smaller and more agile version of the German Pinscher (medium size terrier). It was engineered to be a better ratter than the German pinscher by crossing the breed with an Italian gray hound, and a Dachshund. The only thing in common with the doberman and miniature pinscher is that they both were bred off from the German pinscher. The Miniature Pinscher is still a terrier, and the doberman is a great working dog. Both very smart, but the doberman is one of the easier dogs to train in obedience, since they love to please. I am currently raising my first miniature pinscher, and did a lot of research before getting the breed. my young one is a great jogging partner and great in obedience, as well in agility. They are extremely food motivated breed, which makes them easy to train with treats.

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Provenience
The breed's earliest ancestors may have included the German Pinscher mixed with Italian greyhounds and dachshunds.

"The Miniature Pinscher is not a scaled-down, version of anything, especially the much larger Doberman Pinscher, although both are likely descended from the German Standard Pinscher. It is a distinctly German breed often referred to as the Zwerg or Dwarf Pincher in historical documents. German Kennel Club documents also refer to the Miniature Pinscher as the 'reh' Pinscher, but this term is only used for a dog of stag-red color, 'reh' referring to a small red deer found in German forests years ago. The one fact remains that the Miniature Pinscher originated several centuries ago as an efficient barnyard ratter, with no relation to the Doberman or the Manchester Terrier. The Miniature Pinscher is reported to include the Dachshund and Italian Greyhound among its ancestors. Many historians and those who have researched the background of the breed agree that this heritage is most likely, adding the shorthaired German Pinscher to the family tree. AKC"

This quote is from the American Kennel Club page. The AKC is the major reliable source on any dog related topic. Removing German Pinscher all the time is incorrect. Hafspajen (talk) 16:30, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Gap.
Move tree climbing picture back to the Temperament section left the article with an enormous gap in the middle. Moved where it was before. Hafspajen (talk) 15:26, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

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why is this titled Korean Jindo Dog instead of just Jindo Dog? Bouket (talk) 03:39, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree. 진돗개 in English does not mention Korea whatsoever. I will fix it. Jck16 (talk) 13:16, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

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Genomic studies of the Jindo dog
Thank you to a wikipedia user who found the scientific study proving the New Guinea singing dog origin of the Jindo dog. The phylogenetic distinction of Jindos from other domestic dogs is crucial to understanding that they are quite unique in many aspects despite being considered a dog breed. Jck16 (talk) 04:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

 * Not origin, related. There is a school of thought that the NGSD/dingo is the original East Asian dog coming out of the Ice Age 11,700 years ago, of which other dogs from the Central Asian steppe have mixed with to form the other well-known East Asian breeds. Thanks for your interest in this dog; it has been left alone for too long. William Harris (talk) 05:11, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

 * Regardless, they study referenced shows a definite phylogenetic link between the jindo and NGSD/ dingo. Jck16 (talk) 05:17, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

 * Of course it does, and above is the possible reason why. However, we need more data. We certainly need a whole-genome analysis of the Jindo and not a few short lengths used by Kim back nearly a decade ago, which really tells us nothing other than the Jindo is its own "breed", and that the genes responsible for scenting are different to the boxer - that really isn't revealing much. That study had the opportunity to include other East Asian breeds that the Jindo may have been related to, but chose instead to compare it with European breeds and a couple of breeds originating from Tibet that we can assume they are not related to. Use of a coyote as the out-group was fine, but the specimen that they refer to as a "gray wolf" certainly is not, the lineage leading to the German Shepherd is basal to it, it is a hybrid and should have been removed from the data. As that phylotree stands now, the Jindo's nearest relatives appear to be the Rottweiler and the Neapolitan mastiff, and we know that is incorrect due to lack of more-comparable related breeds in the study. You know that something is incorrect when a Corgi and an Akita sit equally in the same clade together. William Harris (talk) 21:04, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

 * Thank you for this! I have strongly suspected the relationship between the Jindo and the Australian dingo for awhile but could never find the scientific evidence until you posted this study here. Please feel free to edit anything I may write. Unfortunately this indigenous dog just isn't studied scientifically, most information being pet based Jck16 (talk) 21:25, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

 * Many thanks. Given that DNA evidence tells us that the Donggyeongi dog and the Jindo split from an ancestral lineage 900 years ago, it is clearly a Korean indigenous dog without any need for any origin, nor mixing, with dogs brought later by the Mongol or Japanese invasions. The cost of DNA sequencing continues to fall as the technology matures; I am sure the Jindo will be revisited by researchers soon, especially if it has been isolated on an island for some time. William Harris (talk) 23:00, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Are you able to edit the title to Jindo (dog)? Korean jindo just doesn't make any sense. Jck16 (talk) 13:59, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

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Jacques Rouxel (animator)

Jacques Rouxel (26 February 1931 – 25 April 2004), born in Cherbourg, France, was a film animator. He is said to have been on a par with Tex Avery. Rouxel is perhaps best known for his initially controversial animated French TV series Les Shadoks, which first appeared in 1968.

Rouxel graduated from the Lycée Français de New York in 1946 and obtained a business degree from the HEC Paris.

He worked on the prototype of a special machine, the "Animographe", especially designed to accelerate the production of animated TV series.

title: Jacques Rouxel (animator)