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Joseph Frye

Joseph Frye (March 19, 1712 – July 25, 1794) was a renowned military leader from colonial Maine (then a part of Massachusetts).

Life
Born in Andover, Massachusetts, he obtained the rank of general in the Massachusetts militia after serving in King George's War and the French and Indian War.

During the latter conflict, under the command of Edward Winslow, Frye helped build Fort Halifax in present-day Maine and then participated in the Battle of Fort Beauséjour and the Battle of Petitcodiac. He reported to have barely escaped with his life from a French-allied Native massacre of British forces after having surrendered Fort William Henry. He was commander at Fort Gaspareaux.

He was present on Lake George in August 1757 at the Siege of Fort William Henry. Then he returned to Nova Scotia and took command of Fort Cumberland. He served in the 2nd General Assembly of Nova Scotia in 1759–1760, representing Cumberland Township.

For services during that conflict, the Massachusetts General Court in 1762 granted him a township on the Saco River which had once been the Sokokis Abenaki village of Pequawket. In 1777, the plantation was incorporated as Fryeburg, Maine, named in his honor.

Frye is best known for the role he played expanding the colonial frontier into lands formerly held by both the French and Abenakis. He is regarded as the successor of John Lovewell, and also an enemy of Molly Ockett, leader and sage among dispossessed Algonquian peoples.

Frye served in the early stages of the American Revolutionary War, first as a major general of Massachusetts militia, and then briefly as a brigadier general in the Continental Army. He resigned on 23 April 1776, because his age made him ill-suited for active duty.

Family and legacy
Joseph Frye married Mehitable sometime before the birth of Joseph Jr on 17 July 1733. Samuel followed in 1735, and then Mehitable in April 1738, who died young, and was replaced by another Mehitable in May 1739, who died within the month. Mehitable Frye was born in April 1741. In the interim, Joseph Jr died and was replaced by another in July 1743. Tabitha followed in 1744, and next Hannah in 1748. Richard was born in 1751 to the Captain, and then Nathaniel in 1753. In the meantime, Samuel had expired and was replaced by another in 1758, this one born to the Colonel.

Legacy
He is the namesake of Frye Island, Maine, and the aforementioned Fryeburg, Maine.

External sources

 * Joseph Frye: Maine Proprietor and Soldier
 * Collections of the Maine Historical Society By Maine Historical Society (1891 Original from the University of Michigan)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Worcester

Donald Worcester was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE

Teacher-vanity? Don't let it be said RC-patrolling is boring.. --fvw *  00:33, 2004 Dec 17 (UTC)
 * Delete. This article screams non-notable. [[User:Livajo|Ливай | ☺]] 01:58, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete *Delete as non-notable, non-encyclopedic. Joyous 02:14, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)
 * Note: User:128.227.40.231 has been changing the comments of participants in this discussion. Joyous 03:21, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete: Teacher tribute. I always love these things, and I have had one written about me, but it wasn't on an encyclopedia.  I taught 'em better'n that.  Geogre 02:22, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-notable - the guy doesn't even show up on google. --Spangineer ∞ 02:34, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, vanity remains deletable if it happens to be written by someone else. - Andre Engels 02:58, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep "Donny served, or rather survived, five years at Wymore, years that included four death threats and numerous other incidents directly threatening to his life." How many teacher's get "death threats"? This article also well written, and certainly not a stub. Masterhomer 03:13, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Receiving death threats is an unfortunate way of life for people in teaching and the caring profession around the world, it most certainly does not make a person notable. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 03:41, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I believe this is noteable enough to be included in Wikipedia, and even an intersting and well written addition to Wikipedia. Vote stands. Masterhomer 06:03, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete this amusingly-written prank. Wyss 03:26, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, this entire article is factually true. while written in a comical tone by those who know worcester personally, this article serves as collective documentation of the worcester's experiences which he often shares with his students. this article is both informative and entertaining..please consider the students. reilly06, 10:27, 17 Dec 2004
 * I seriously doubt the entire contents are true. JD 00:03, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)
 * Do not talk without knowing what your talking about JD, How would you know the truthfullness of this article? Get proof, and then talk.  Badinfluenceno1 04:29, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Note: This vote constitutes this user's only two edits to wikipedia using this username thus far. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 03:39, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, this guy actually does appear on google on the second page. also this article is well-written, and if it is true he seems like a pretty commendable guy.D3swooshg 03:34, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Note: This vote constitutes this user's only two edits to wikipedia using this username thus far. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 03:38, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Note: This user happens to be rather biased... he's actually a student of the teacher in question. Besides, he's Canadian... -- JD 00:03, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)
 * Why does D3swooshg's being Canadian change anything? Badinfluenceno1 04:33, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Note: Hey JD, now you know why nobody likes you, if you hadn't already figured it out before. Oh, and by the way Graham, where are your useful comments about the user's history when it comes to somebody against the article, such as JD. Let's try and keep this discussion unbiased and focused on the article, not on individual users, such as myself. D3swooshg 04:36, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * You may have noticed that JD, unlike yourselves, didn't show up out of nowhere and try to cast a vote, for or against the article. -- Antaeus Feldspar 18:07, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Actually, the funny thing is, HE DID. He has no history. D3swooshg 19:36, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Part of your statement is true; he has no history, or at least, he has about as much of a history as you, reilly06, and Badinfluenceno1 do. However, if you will read carefully, you will find that the statement was that he "didn't show up out of nowhere and try to cast a vote".  He has commented on whether he thinks the article should be kept or not, as all users are allowed to do.  That is not the same as casting a vote, which you and reilly06 and Badinfluenceno1 have tried to do five times between the three of you.  If you can show me any evidence to the contrary I'd be fascinated to see it. -- Antaeus Feldspar 06:19, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Non notable -- Graham ☺ | Talk 03:41, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep : hmmmm i found two grammar/typos, but thanks for pointing out my history Graham. D3swooshg 03:43, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * No problem, by the way you only get to vote once. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 03:46, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep : Thanks for the heads up Graham. D3swooshg 03:50, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Note: whoa graham, the guy's just being proactive. by the way, you might want to delete one of your identical notes since you like being so correct all the time. -- bell135
 * And I'm just working to keep the number of votes either way in context. And yes I have made identical notes, but if you'll notice it's for two completely different usernames. -- Graham  ☺ | Talk 04:17, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Graham, I think you missed your crumpets and tea. D3swooshg 04:37, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Very funny. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 04:39, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry Graham, I suppose that last comment was nearly as obnoxious as you. -- D3swooshg 05:04, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Someone is having fun with themselves, apparently.  [[en:RaD Man|RaD Man (talk)]] 07:10, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Is there a BJAODN-type-thing, but for charming stuff like this? There should be. Samaritan 07:24, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. And ban the sockpuppets. P Ingerson 07:40, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Nice try, but delete as non-notable (etc.) -- Hoary 08:15, 2004 Dec 17 (UTC)
 * del. Mikkalai 08:51, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * delete. Kill the sockpuppets. We had better nicknames for our teachers at school. Dunc|☺ 11:23, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * It's possible that the sock puppets are all editing from the school... that would make the IP addresses the same. JD 00:03, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)
 * keep. to deem this man non-notable is a desecration of all that is holy. Badinfluenceno1 12:55, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC) -- Badinfluenceno1 has only two edits, to this vote and the article itself.
 * Delete. Jacob1207 16:48, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity, non-encyclopedic, sounds like it's written by a 12 yea old, etc. - Ld 20:25, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * "Sounds like it's written by a 12 year old, etc." Hey, did you try to make a funny there little guy?  Just because you dont understand all the words and get confused easily, it does not mean the article is written by a "12 year old".  Others see the genius in it. Badinfluenceno1 21:59, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Uhm, he said it sounds like it was written by a 12 year old. I mention that since you made a remark about someone else's reading skills. So far as literary genius is concerned, wiki is an encyclopedia, not a repository of creatively written bios of locally notable people. This teacher sounds like a great guy, but that's not the point of this discussion. Wyss 02:13, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * So, "sounds like" does not imply that it was? Sounding like a 12 year old implies the literary skills of a 12 year old; which in turn implies that there is a possibility that it was written by a 12 year old; hence, "written by a 12 year old". Badinfluenceno1 04:09, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Not quite, sounds like describes the age-level of the writing style, not the age of the writer. There are lots of people in their 20s and 30s who write like 12 year olds (most Internet forums are replete with examples of this.) Wyss 14:24, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Had this not been vanity, I would suggest improving. You should take a look at other articles and see how they are written.  I would agree this could make a great article for your school newspaper, however this writing style does not belong in an encyclopedia. - Ld 06:22, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete. Notable to those who know him.  Not notable in an encyclopedic sense. -- Antaeus Feldspar 21:32, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Rossami (talk) 22:29, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, though it's much better written than the average delete-worthy junk. I see some merit to Samaritan's suggestion about having a place to put things like this. JamesMLane 22:50, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete... or can it be moved to BJAODN? I mean, at least it's humorously written. I'm not exactly sure as to how that works as I'm pretty new to the Wikipedia community.
 * Comment. I'm snoring so hard people are confusing it with geek-like laughter, but I still find the whole thing about as amusing as a tonsillectomy. Regarding the suggestion to have a "place" for things like this: it's called a homepage, and it's very easy to get one these days. That said, there's always room for one more at BJAODN. Alternatively, a separate wiki for students to riff on their teachers in a quasi-eloquent way would no doubt eclipse Wikipedia in no time at all. 82.92.119.11 22:55, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, if it's a bad joke it's a very bad joke, because it's not funny. Just an article about someone nobody has ever heard of outside of the school. You have to be at least a little bit well known to get an article. Shane King 00:48, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. There's already a place for this type of teacher-cruft. It's called RateMyTeachers.com. Or, for grownups, RateMyProfessors.com. --Szyslak 03:33, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete Michael Ward 02:44, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Shanes 08:19, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. However, don't we have a Who's Who in America for this?moseythedino 07:43, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Corinne Wood

Corinne Gieseke Wood (May 28, 1954 – May 18, 2021) served as the 44th lieutenant governor of Illinois from 1999 to 2003. After graduating Phi Beta Kappa from the University of Illinois and Loyola University School of Law, Wood was named general counsel to the Illinois Commissioner of Banks and Trusts.

Wood was the first Female lieutenant governor of the state of Illinois.

Background
Born as Corinne Gieseke in Barrington, Illinois, Wood (a resident of Lake Forest) was the first female Lieutenant Governor of Illinois. A Republican, she was elected on Gov. George Ryan's ticket in 1998. An attorney, she served in the Illinois House of Representatives for one term prior to her election as lieutenant governor.

As Lieutenant Governor
As Lieutenant Governor, she was a frequent speaker across Illinois on a number of issues, including rural affairs, economic development, and women's health. The first two issues were part of her portfolio as Lieutenant Governor, and the third was added by her to her office's duties. While Lieutenant Governor, she gained national prominence for leading a campaign against Abercrombie & Fitch for sexually provocative pictures in the catalogue. As part of her campaign against the store, Wood urged a boycott and a letter writing campaign.

She also launched a statewide campaign to increase funding for breast cancer research through the "A Check for a Cure" Illinois tax return check-off when she first entered office.

Campaign for Governor
In 2002, she sought the Republican nomination for Governor of Illinois to succeed the retiring Ryan. While she was not a part of the scandals that ended the Ryan Administration, Wood was hurt by this in the primary, along with her reputation for being a moderate Republican. She finished third in the primary losing to Attorney General Jim Ryan.

Death
She battled breast cancer in the late 1990s and announced that she was resuming treatment for her cancer in January 2006. Wood ultimately died from breast cancer on May 18, 2021.

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User talk:Tfz

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About me
I have been editing WP intermittently for over four years. Most of my edits are grammar based ones, and I don't usually log in, as normally, I'm just an avid reader. Tfz

Ireland
Do you really oppose moving Ireland's island content to Ireland (island) and moving Ireland (disambiguation) to Ireland? Why? Your "oppose" vote said "it won't work", which is perplexing. -- Evertype·✆ 11:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Ireland naming dispute compromise proposal
You may be interested in an all-encompassing compromise proposal tabled in respect of the Ireland naming dispute at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(Ireland-related_articles)/Ireland_disambiguation_task_force#Appeal_for_an_all-encompassing_solution Mooretwin (talk) 12:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sovereign Ireland at Ireland? it won't happen. GoodDay (talk) 18:54, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ambiguity at Ireland? We've got to do better! -- Evertype·✆ 19:35, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Rockall
Relative distance "mainland" Great Britain is an irrelevance, as the "nearness" depends on the extremities, which in this case means St Kilda (and thus GB). This is going beyond GF, past POV and now into trolling and vandalism. 8-( Andy Dingley (talk) 11:03, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

British Isles
Hi, I understand the point you are making with the change to the British Isles article, but you are only going to end up in an edit war. No-one disputes the reference. But. What makes your reference *better* than other references? What about weight/volume of other references - why should a single reference "trump" 100 other references? And there'll probably be lots of other arguments against your edit that other editors will make. This is an area I am ... familiar .. with, having been in the wars myself. There is a task force set up to discuss usage of the term - WP:BISLES, and I fully expect there to be a lot of activity on this task force as soon as the arbitrators finish with the "Ireland" issue. So it's probably best to chillax a little until then. This topic is on a lot of people's list and ain't going anywhere. --HighKing (talk) 16:17, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Ireland naming question
You are receiving this message because you have previously posted at a Ireland naming related discussion. Per Requests for arbitration/Ireland article names, a procedure has been developed at WikiProject Ireland Collaboration, and the project is now taking statements. Before creating or replying to a statement please consider the statement process, the problems and current statements. GnevinAWB (talk) 18:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

British and Irish Lions
The "British and Irish Lions" name did not come into being until 2001. The instances of "and Irish" that i have removed were premature and thus left the team misnamed. Rory Underwood, for example, may have represented the "British Lions" but he did not play for a side called the "British and Irish Lions". It's not exactly a major issue i know but accuracy is accuracy. siarach (talk) 10:02, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Shrugs* Fair enough but if that's the case you should change the opening section of the article which states that the name wasn't changed until 2001 as that is obviously misleading. siarach (talk) 10:44, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * And i now see you've already done that! siarach (talk) 10:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

High Cross
Setting pics at 150px will make them MUCH smaller for those, like me, who have preferences set at 300px. Thatis why it is recommended that pics are not normally set that small. Johnbod (talk) 01:40, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not the browser (for once), you set a size in "files" under "my preferences" on your user tab (top right - as you have an account). Anyway, I've set the lead one to 300px, which is the smallest forced size generally recommended. Johnbod (talk) 01:54, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Unfounded accusation
Please DO NOT remove my comments on an article talk page. My comments were valid, and were posing a valid question, which you don't seem to want to answer. I take exception to being labelled a troll. LevenBoy (talk) 19:19, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

p.m.
Please not change the time indicator on the CBC article, p.m. is an official accepted version of the time indicator, and in Canada it is the official way of indicating it. It is the version CBC uses, and the official version for the country of the article. In addition p.m. is the version suggested for use on the manual of style. I know it doesn't seem like correct English to have the letters lower case, but it's just the way things have gone over the evolution of the English language. Canterbury Tail talk  11:01, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

British Isles Removals
Hi Tfz, you may or may not be aware that some time ago during 2007 and 2008 User:HighKing embarked on a campaign to remove British Isles from Wikipedia. This caused enormous ill felling and his actions spilled over into many other Irish and British articles. Eventually a major battle between User:TharkunColl and User:HighKing resulted in an agreement that the term "British Isles" would neither be added to, nor removed from, any articles without consensus - i.e. agreement on the Talk page. Things have been relatively quiet since that time, but I now see that you have removed British Isles, or renamed an article to effectively remove it, without first obtaining agreement. Your actions may well be valid, but you must get consensus first if we are to avoid conflict again. LemonMonday  Talk   12:39, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW Lemon, thanks for the sig code. Tfz     14:46, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe you could visit Setanta747's talk page, and have a word with him over this . - Tfz     13:08, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Green Arrow?
Was that your inspiration? Quot homines tot sententiae: suo quoique mos. (talk) 02:28, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Purple is a much more 'serious' a colour, and "test it" your peril. Joking aside, probably because I like to hit the target, if possible:) Tfz     01:05, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

British Isles (again)
If the article name was changed today I wouldn't bat an eyelid. I do understand why you think it should change and as I said, I am sympathetic to your view. I was only giving you the realities of what has gone on before at the talk page, where there is no consensus for change and the majority of editors believe because it is the most common term then it should stay as it is. My view? If there were consensus to change it I would be more than happy with that, but that's not going to happen in the near future I'm afraid. Jack forbes (talk) 22:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Really, I'm not advocating for change of title. The article has a 'stuffy self-proclaiming style' about it, and over-long IMO. A more upbeat, looser article would be much more educational than one where every reference is fought over. ''Tfz'' (talk) 22:49, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I certainly agree with that. I hardly recall an edit there thats not been challenged. Not an article I would want to spend too much time on, my brains fried enough as it is. :) Jack forbes (talk) 23:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps someday, that article will be deleted. GoodDay (talk) 23:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree, I'm taking a few days away from it, but will look in from time to time. I have some other editing to do on a couple of more articles. Deleted no, but redirect to Battle of the British Isles, might be better title, all that's needed is a switch around from talk to article page, and vica versa. ''Tfz'' (talk) 23:25, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Or just redirect it here, with a link to here...  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:16, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Scouting Ireland
Please stop edit-warring on this article. If you have a problem with the agreed text, please discuss on the Talk page. Please self-revert in the meantime. Mooretwin (talk) 10:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Scouting Ireland
Hi Mooretwin is edit warring at the above page (as usual). I don't wish to get caught up in an edit war with him so I was hoping you help out by posting on the talk page and reverting his disruptive behaviour? Thanks.  M I T H  21:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Thank you. If discussion get going again on that page, I'd also appreciate your input. Regards  M I T H   21:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think you're meant to canvass input from like-minded editors in order to "win" an edit war. Mooretwin (talk) 09:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Derry - 1RR Imposition
Please read Talk:Derry. Canterbury Tail talk  14:33, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

My password is scrambled, and I have left wikipedia. Tfz    00:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah come on Tfz. Ya gotta hang around, to see how it all ends. GoodDay (talk) 20:38, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ireland_Collaboration
By the magic of a cookie I was able to retrieve my password, which I scrambled last evening being quite upset with events. It's impossible for me to stay with the Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ireland_Collaboration, that the simple proposals on the Ireland article are to go to a community vote, when there is almost a consensus amongst the reasonable editors there. Unfortunately a few vociferous editors are holding "sway", and moderators and admins fail to notice. Moderate editors who are prepared to reach compromise are not heeded, editors who want to draw lines on granite are. Tfz    10:32, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Completely agree I too have removed myself from the so called process. BigDunc  Talk 10:35, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks BigDunc, it's difficult to stay with something where "belief" is lost. Tfz     10:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The smart arse comment from BW after your notice was the final straw, funny it is called collaboration. BigDunc  Talk 11:55, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, twice, and indicative. It was a moment of realisation. Tfz     12:15, 18 June 2009 (UTC) PS. I see another editor talking about Divas. I am genuinely off the page, and won't comment on it much after this, if at all, 'power' is the last thing on my mind. I just can't be part of a shambles that cannot be reversed.  Tfz     12:37, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I would ignore those comments one look at BW user page and any fool could see that they weren't an Irish nationalist so take the comments as the are foolish. BigDunc Talk 13:15, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree, another hapless addition to the "collaboration page", a misnomer. Tfz     13:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what makes you oppose an STV poll which would have the merit of allowing everyone to express a ranked set of preferences. Rannṗáirtí Anaiṫnid's poll lays out all the options clearly. You claim that there is "almost a consensus amongst the reasonable editors" — where is that clearly laid out, as Rannṗáirtí Anaiṫnid's is? Since it isn't laid out clearly anywhere, "almost consensus" is vague. -- Evertype·✆ 14:25, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you believe in intelligence of crowds to working out simple solutions to complex issues, then STV is for you. I don't believe that to be the case, and believe interested intelligent editors are infinitely more able to make an acceptable outcome. Also, the vote is irreversible, which I don't object to, for that is the nature of voting, and only a community vote can reverse a community vote. All great law was devised by great minds, not by crowd action, this case needs a leader to distill the consensus that is there. Masden is trying that, I hope he gets support. Tfz     14:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Agree, I've shaken the dust of me from that place; I’ve to much self respect to help perpetuate the myth that it's anything other than a POV speakers corner. Bartering on the name of an internationally recognised Nation based on nothing but bias. -- Domer48 'fenian'  19:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree with you, I couldn't look at myself in the mirror again if I had stayed with the 'collaboration page'. Although I have tremendous respect for many of the editors who have came in and out of that page, still there remains a noisy handful who couldn't care less but to troll their pov. The page has become cheap and tawdry, and is unworthy to be discussing the important matter at hand. Tfz     19:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Tfz, thanks for that on the talk carnival, I’m glad you understood what I’m trying to do. Up against two admin’s out to scupper my every effort, who edit war and then block the page, unblock to put their snide remarks back in and lock it again, how can you compete with that? Along with the other abuse, so much for a genuine effort. All gone off now to come up with another excuse to prevent this discussion being resolved. It’s as if they want to perpetuate this issue, to keep the edit count up on the project. I’ve made a genuine effort here, and it’s brought down by the same crew. -- Domer48 'fenian'  22:00, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

 * I just have to assume good faith, but some are very tetchy there. There is no hope for the collaboration page, too much trolling and posturing tolerated. Also too many generalised false claims which leads to disputes. Your idea about deleting 'false claims' is a very good one. Masden should try work with that. I have a lot of respect for the moderator, but he is up against it, I fear. Tfz     22:10, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If it'll make you all feel better? my proposals at the British Isles Taskforce tends to get no consensus. Basically, we've all been in similiar situations. GoodDay (talk) 22:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Can 'twenty angry men' reach consensus, it was difficult for twelve! It's possible to do alright.  Tfz     22:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ps. I think the process needs Three Wise Men, and I do mean "wise". Tfz     22:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I prefer that all the Arbitrators get together & decide the whole Ireland naming dispute via 'majority vote' among themselves. However, they won't as they prefer to let the community to work it out. I suppose I see the Arbitrators point, as such a move by them would create a potentially dangerous precedent. GoodDay (talk) 23:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Precedents can be 'dangerous', indeed. Tfz     23:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Memo to self

 * About the dilemma that some editors have about using Ireland (state) and using Ireland (country), and both have their drawbacks. Some people don't like state as it's too much like a state as in USA, and others object to country because 32 counties are the country, and hope it will probably be reunited in next 30 years or so. I have come up with a more neutral article name, Ireland (sovereign country), in that it describes the sovereign part of the country of Ireland. Maybe it's worth putting it on the shelf for some future examination if the process ever goes near that type of solution, if ever. Tfz     22:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Have a nice day!

 * Thank you for reminding me of WP:BLP, it is in the event unnecessary as such edits made by me are verifiable and attributed to quotes and written statements from the individual concerned. Have a nice day! --De Unionist (talk) 13:31, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Reply
Please stop removing correct information from Garden of Remembrance (Dublin). A large number of Irish fought specifically for the Allies (not just 'foreign armies') and the Irish regiments can not be swept under the historical rug. Edward321 (talk) 15:31, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I see you undid my edit to your page, so I'll answer here. Many died fighting, and not just in Irish regiments, and they are foreign armies now. Really, I don't think you know the details in full, for you to insist on your edits. Anyway, I don't want an edit war with you, and will look on it again later on. Tfz     15:37, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Whether they are foreign armies now is irrelevant and your phrasing removes the fact that those Irish fought specifically on the Allied side. Whether some of them fought outside the Irish regiments does not change the fact that the Irish regiments existed or that the Irish National War Memorial Gardens were created to honor those who served and died in them. Freedom fighter is a POV statement, as that article shows.  Insurgent is a neutral word, that neither endorses the actions of those people, nor condemns them, as a word like terrorist would.  This neutral point of view is core guideline of Wikipedia. Edward321 (talk) 15:49, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Really I don't know why you are edit-warring and wiki-lawyering over this article. It's totally debatable whether Freedom fighter is used or not, for the gardens remember all who died, and all who were murdered in the name of Irish freedom, men women and children, and the unborn too. Tfz     15:54, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:TALK
Hello Tfz. I have archived the poll you initiated at Talk:Republic of Ireland. Talk pages are for discussion of its associated article, and is not an appropriate venue for a vote of confidence on other processes. If you think there is a problem with the collaboration process you should discuss it on its own talk page or else you can bring it to the attention of the moderator(s) on their talk pages. If you don't feel comfortable doing that, you can always contact the Arbs on their page or even by mailing list. Finally, you are also welcome to create a poll in your user space User:Tfz/Poll and create a link to it in the relevant venues. Thanks. Rockpock e  t  17:42, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I do understand your frustration, the collaboration page has turned into a sprawling monstrosity. I agree that it is unlikely that any protest you make will make much of a difference, such is the disparate POVs pushing the discussion this way and that. Rockpock  e  t  18:57, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

"Everytype"
It's "Evertype". -- Evertype·✆ 16:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Got it, my contacts are blurring my vision. Tfz     16:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If thine eye offend thee... -- Evertype·✆ 18:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Semi-retired'

 * I'm still here. GoodDay (talk) 17:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * So am I, but wonder where WP is going! Yeah it's pretty good, but going in circle, perhaps.  Tfz     17:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ya should fix your 'Semi-Retired' message. It's too difficult to read in it's current form. GoodDay (talk) 17:27, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing's perfect, I might just get rid of it, don't like the colour, and leave the text. I do "feel" semi-retired, strange feeling of freedom. Tfz     17:36, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Beware of the Wiki-addiction. You'll be biting your fingers by tomorrow. GoodDay (talk) 17:44, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Been there, done that, this time is different, but will still be around. Learned some lessons from some unlikely quarters. Tfz     18:11, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you get too fed up Tfz, stroll along to WikiBlitz, the club GoodDay and I created on my talk page. It's where the in-crowd should hang out. Alas, few do.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:23, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll drop by and 'deliberate' from time to time. Tfz     08:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Great. I see you've already made an appearance.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I see you are getting the wikipedia blues. Try taking a week or two away from the place then come back as semi-retired. You may find that going to semi-retired immediately doesn't work as you tend to edit as much as before. It really is quite refreshing to stay completely away from the place for a short time. Jack forbes (talk) 11:53, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the input Jack, and would hate to lose complete touch with the place. My work is on computers, and it's so easy to flick in from time to time. I'm going to concentrate more into the future on content editing, and less on 'naming issues'. It's nice to see you about, and that you 'can take it or leave it'. Tfz     12:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It wasn't always that way, Tfz. Early on I tended to get very uptight about disagreements on wiki, which is why I took a few months out a while ago. On returning I realised although always very interesting it wasn't something that should take over ones life, as I believe it does to many editors on this project. Jack forbes (talk) 12:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah it takes commitment to get some issues dealt with fairly, commitment that takes time and effort. I think most 'good editors' wear out in a couple of years, and then take a more relaxed back seat. Tfz     13:21, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Say where?
In reverting my edit of WikiProject Ireland Collaboration/Poll on Ireland article names (Draft), your edit summary was "say where". I linked to where. Click on the word "talk" in my edit summary. It brings you to the relevand section at the bottom of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration/Poll on Ireland article names (Draft). Anyhow, I'm out of here for today - the sun is shining and the lawn needs mowed. Scolaire (talk) 15:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Another editor endorsed my summation here . The "is", or "is not" ambiguous proposition has caused argument in the past, "can be" is the next logical conclusion. I'm not going to edit war, as I fell out with the process last week when some of the editors tried and failed to get other editors blocked from the discussion. Tfz     15:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Lough Neagh
Please see WP:POINT. -- (ɔ|ʇ) uıɐʌoɥɔ ʞɹɐɯ 02:50, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And what's your "point"? Tfz     09:27, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * He means, I believe, that he feels that you are disrupting the Wikipedia in order to prove a point. -- Evertype·✆ 09:47, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That "biggest in Ireland" cannot be added to the Lough Neagh article. Ineffable! Tfz     10:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think that word means what you think it means. But try reading the discussion on the Talk page, which explains the situation quite fairly and clearly. -- Evertype·✆ 11:06, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "I don't think that word means what you think it means", that's somewhat arrogant of you, I know exactly what the word means. Tfz     11:17, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually it was a quote from the film The Princess Bride, where one character uses the word "Inconceivable!" in ways which are not appropriate to the usual meaning of the word. In the case of "ineffable", its typical use is not the one to which you put it, which is more for things like "God's ineffable wisdom". But try reading the discussion on the Talk page, which explains the situation quite fairly and clearly. -- Evertype·✆ 11:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My usage of "ineffable" was a one sentenced word for my 'unwritable thoughts' on the matter, and there was a slight pun intended too, as in "effingly unspeakable"! Let's not get hung up on a quick repoiste. Tfz     11:57, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * As you wish. But try reading the discussion on the Talk page, which explains the situation quite fairly and clearly. -- Evertype·✆ 12:54, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Holiday.
holiday A break, smile! Tfz    10:32, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

between and among
You were right about "between" but "among" is problematic. Could you propose edits on the Talk page? We're very close to closure (I hope) and its best to try to make changes as transparent as possible. (Even Scolaire posted a notice of a full stop.) -- Evertype·✆ 11:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Scolaire has also asked you to make suggestions on the Talk page, and not to "edit willy-nilly" as he put it. -- Evertype·✆ 11:59, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Counties complicates the statement, so I removed, some will object no doubt. RoI should not be included as an option, as not wp:ver. Could end up with a lot of work for nothing. Tfz     12:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Scoláire reverted you and I agree with him. RoI is included as an option because we have consensus to include it. There is a possibility you will not get what you want. There is a possibility others will not get what they want. That's the chance we have to take. The Earth will continue to circle the Sun either way. -- Evertype·✆ 12:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Scoláire is wrong. Why do we need to complicate the issue with counties/shires. What has it got to do with the issue, the counties are a red herring. I'm surprised with Scoláire. Tfz     12:09, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This poll is going to be community-wide. You know there are people out there who can't distinguish between "England" and "the United Kingdom". We are trying to be concise and correct (and there are 32 counties as you know), so "what has it got to do with it" isn't a sufficient reason to take the edits you proposed. "Shires" by the way, is the red herring. -- Evertype·✆ 12:16, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Shires', purely for disambiguation purposes, and for our friends in the UK. Tfz     12:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Ireland collaboration
Be not afraid. If I'm the lone dissenting voice? the merge proposal will pass. GoodDay (talk) 20:43, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I see now, it wasn't a proposal by Domer. But, rather just an exampler. PS: Thanks for not deleting my postings here. It shows class & patients on your part. GoodDay (talk) 14:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Er, thought you had lost your neutrals and had joined the other side. What a phantasm, that's when hell freezes over, eh? lol!! Tfz     15:09, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm 'neutral' at British Isles, but not at Ireland Collaboration. GoodDay (talk) 15:11, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm neutral in all situations, even at BI, "those islands that are sometimes called etc ... etc... etc ...".  Tfz     15:16, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've practically no idea, as to what's happening there now (at Collaboration). GoodDay (talk) 20:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've lost some touch with it, as wasn't feeling too good some days ago. Checkups, xrays, and all of that, but on the mend. Was told not to be working too much on the computer, as things sedentary are not "good for the health". I must now have my 5 mile walk shortly.) Tfz     21:00, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hemroids caused me to curtail my computer usage. GoodDay (talk) 22:09, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "Cur-tail", yeah that's what if seems like if my memory serves me correctly, lol. The other end with me, lung congestion from cigars and computer work, got the all clear, but now has me down for an echo. You never seen anyone quit cigs so quickly, lol. Tfz     23:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Don't talk to the police
Interesting lecture  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik Part two. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE

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Quote away
Glad you liked the quote, work away and use it. Its from 1899 so copyright is not an issue. I might use it myself under the Froude quote on my user page, it seems to fit nicely with it. -- Domer48 'fenian'  07:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have it here for future reference, it's nice to come across such clarity regarding that particular issue, and timeless too. Tfz     12:55, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Position statement
Your position statement was excellent. Please put it back! Don't allow other people's thoughtless comments get to you. Scolaire (talk) 11:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree the little clan that jumped all over your statement tried the same with every action Domer made don't let them drive you away or censor your statement it is what they want. BigDunc  11:47, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Tfz, I favour Ireland(state), but I think you may be pleasantly surprised by the amount of endorsements you get for your statement. You really should reinstate it. I also think most people have no problem if someone endorses their own statement. Jack forbes (talk) 11:54, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Aye, BigDunc, because we really want an outcome to this process where someone can then say the poll wasn't fair/they were discriminated against... There was nothing wrong with Tfz's statement, and it's been put back - the only reason he removed it is because he got in a snit when questioned on endorsing his own statement, not because anyone "jumped over his statement". <span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 11:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree Jack no one cares about a user endorsing their own statement except the gang that run the show. BigDunc  13:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Last evening, I could imagine a few friendly voices whispering in my ear, "I told you so", and then I thought to myself, "what next?", the image of Ireland might have to come down too, and "where would it all end?". At last look, Sarah had signed so I'm now more reluctant to countermand Evertype's morning revert. So I'll let it pass, and any complaints from the 'little clan' can descend into the abysmal abyss where they belong. And Bastun, I told you not to be trolling on my page, my pet name for you is Mr Invective, when you get some 'house training' you will be more than welcome. Tfz     15:52, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Ballot
Wasn't the Ballot suppose to have started tonight (yesterday now) or have I been hallucinating again. Jack forbes (talk) 23:19, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Jack, I'm so tired with RL stuff, every time I try reading that page it's like being hit by a high speed intercontinental train, as there always a new issue to sort out. Forgive me for not knowing, but I thought it was this weekend sometime. Will have a closer look at 'that page' if it's not too risky. Tfz     23:29, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was supposed to start last night. I've asked Masem (this morning) to lock the ballot paper and I've volunteered to send out notices. -- Evertype·✆ 08:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Republic of Ireland (term)
Why, on 29th May, did you redirect this article as a POV fork, but today did the exact opposite action? Mooretwin (talk) 16:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It was created for pov-fork purposes, and the article should be deleted, that's why I said that at the time. But now that it continues to remain on Wikipedia, the situation has changed. And Mooretwin, why are you forever making silly sectarian politically peevish edits that just give the rest of us a pain in the butt. Wikipedia is trying to move away from that sort of stuff, you guys are making it difficult. Tfz     16:25, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That doesn't really make sense.Mooretwin (talk) 21:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have never made any sectarian edits, silly or otherwise, so I suggest that you retract the allegation. Please be civil and refrain from personal attacks. Mooretwin (talk) 21:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have just gone randomly over a tiny amount of your edits, and I have no reason to change my mind. Tfz     21:16, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Once more: I request that you retract your allegation, for which there is no basis. Mooretwin (talk) 21:21, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Edits like theses show you are still fighting the troubles,, . Tfz     21:27, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No they don't. And, never having fought the Troubles it would not be possible for me still to be doing so. Mooretwin (talk) 21:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've asked you to retract the accusation, but you haven't done so. I've asked an admin. for advice to see if there is any way of having the allegation removed. Mooretwin (talk) 21:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You came here looking for trouble earlier on today. I rarely ever bother with any of your edits, only on a couple of occasions when you were trying to change Ireland into "Republic of Ireland", and another bit of similar nonsense. Hey, just keep off my page. Tfz     21:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have reduced that to 'politically peevish'. Tfz     23:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Ireland collaboration 24hr abstinence broken.
You are now officially addicted to wikipedia. I am thinking of starting an advice page for those editors who get sweaty palms and the shakes when too long away from their addiction. You will of course be welcome to sign up free of charge. ;) Jack forbes (talk) 18:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Some days I am a bit addicted, and this is my rest day, so I'm on WP a bit more often today. Contradiction? lol. I wanted to add this to the 'iota' bit, but didn't want to break the curfew again. "Some men see things as they are and say, why. I dream things that never were and say, why not. -- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)". Now for that garden work;). Tfz     18:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Chillum said to remove?
That is not what he said. Here is what he specifically said:

"It is generally considered acceptable to remove personal attacks, though there are some who disagree with that. If when you remove a personal attack you are reverted, then do not remove it again. Instead seek an outside party to investigate, preferably on some sort of public noticeboard."

Chillum did not say to remove anything. He said that it is acceptable to remove personal attacks, but that if you are reverted you should not remove it again. I reverted Sarah, so she should not have removed it again, if she had been following Chillum's advice. She should have sought an outside party to investigate, not removed it again. john k (talk) 15:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You asked Masem's advice, and you should have left it at that. Anyway, I am trying to avoid another incident, not trying to score any points. If you want to put it back in, then I won't remove it again. It is an 'ad hominem' which ever way it is looked at. Tfz     15:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I enjoy how you are unwilling to ever admit error. You were wrong about Chillum's advice.  Sarah clearly acted against that advice.  I'm not going to add it again, but I think that the idea of removing personal attacks is problematic to begin with.  It is one thing to remove threats, or racist comments, or just pure nastiness with no relevance to any arguments.  Srnec was making an argument, and was basically attacking Sarah's arguments, not Sarah herself.  It perhaps verged on a personal attack, but removal in such cases seems like a really terrible idea to me.  Srnec's comment was not any worse than most of what Sarah says - as for instance, accusing me of wiki-stalking her (which she later apologized for), accusing virtually everyone of being insulting, accusing people of "British POV" for favoring RoI, and so forth.  For her to be accusing other people of personal attacks is strikingly problematic.  The talk page is a record of a discussion.  If some people go overboard with personal attacks, they, for the most part, make themselves look bad, not the person they are attacking.  All but the most vile comments should remain in the discussion, for everyone's benefit. But I'll wait and see if Masem does anything. john k (talk) 16:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I do admit errors, and make them, everyone makes errors all of the time. It's a bit like driving a car, thousands of corrections have to be made on an hourly basis to keep on the highway. It's the big ones that cause the big problems. "British POV" stands for "British point of view", and I do agree with Sarah on that score, in that UK editors are more likely to choose RoI, because generally when they are not using Eire, RoI is generally their other choice. The British quite blankly refused to use the name Ireland for years, and that's not a secret history. Wikipedia is aping the British on that. I broadly agree in not removing edits, but we cannot speak for other people when an ad hominem is made, nor is it always a good idea to turn a total blind eye. Tfz     16:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

CC
Are you going to open a thread at WP:RFCN, or should I? --King Öomie 14:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of looking at it later, but don't have the experience do do it easily. If you could do it, that might be better, as he'll probably accuse me of a vendetta. I would support such a move. But if not, I will look at it a bit later.  Tfz     15:08, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Created. Feel free to comment. --King Öomie 15:46, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It is the only course at this stage. You beat me to it, I was preparing something, and added some of that. Tfz     15:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:PIRA
Comments like these are unhelpful - see WP:SOAPBOX. Comments like these are effectively unwarranted personal attacks - see WP:NPA. I've been keeping this in reserve, but I have to tell you I'm willing to a request a topic ban for people who disrupt the discussion. Please do not make this necessary. Rd232 talk 20:16, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I fully stand behind everything I said. This article has been under pressure this last two weeks to push secterian POV into the lede. Tfz     20:27, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Your first comment was soapboxing - don't do that. Your second comment was an attack on another editor - not clearly explained and evidenced criticism, just attack. Don't do that either. As for what happened in the last two weeks - I don't care. I've been there for 2 days, we're starting to make some progress, and I won't let any editors drag the discussion back to the unproductive place it was - which was everybody from different sides trying to push sectarian POV, not just one side. If you won't or can't contribute constructively to that, please stay away from that page. Rd232 talk 20:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I know you don't like the message, and I don't like it either, and it was not an attack on Mooretwin. It took two weeks for a pov laden sentence to be removed from the article, and now the discussion is about pushing the same sectarian data into the lead in a less conspicuous fashion. Obviously I am not agreeing to where the discussion is going. Tfz     20:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

stop moving motorway pages
Follow process, dont move anymore without a RM, i will revert! BritishWatcher (talk) 18:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * They are shared by many countries. Tfz     18:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That does not make any difference, M1 is shared by other countires but it was overwhelmingly kept where it was. It depends on each motorway. M2, there is no clear primary topic because Pakistan actually has more page views than the England one. You cant go around changing them all without a RM process in each. Some are justified to be moved, others are NOT. BritishWatcher (talk) 18:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * stop moving articles with no agreement!!!!!!!!!!!! BritishWatcher (talk) 19:02, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should have a word with your compatriot too.  Tfz     19:06, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone else making changes is no excuse for you to do the same. STOP moving these articles, restore them to their correct locations and start a debate. BritishWatcher (talk) 19:09, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * BW is right, you really need to discuss before making potentially controversial moves like this. --John (talk) 19:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * John could you fix Talk:M4 motorway (United Kingdom) please, i cant move that one back but i did move the article page thanks BritishWatcher (talk) 19:28, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have requested housekeeping on the M3 which is a similar situation. Hopefully that one will be fixed Soon. Regards, FM [ talk to me  |  show contributions  ]  20:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Why I can't read or write my native language.
If I could talk and write Scottish Gaelic I'm sure I'd understand the meaning. Unfortunately, I wasn't taught my native language in school. Must be the only country in the world that thinks our native language shouldn't be taught to the natives. I also find it hysterically funny that the Scots Language is considered a language on it's own. As I heard someone comment once, "I must be a genius at languages as I could understand most of what was being said without being taught". Jack forbes (talk) 16:28, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Everyone should have the opportunity to learn their native tongue, and Scottish Gaelic is thousands of years old, as old as Latin they say, and maybe even older. Magic to see tScotland, Wales and Ireland hold onto some of that old world culture, at a time it was being disparaged by the pseudo-intelligentsia in the not to distant past.  Tfz     16:57, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * On a related note; there's a politician here in Italy who thinks that Italian regional dialects should be taught in the schools of each particular region. This is rich seeing as teachers had previously lamented that many children had difficulty speaking proper Italian due to the fact that they only heard dialect spoken in their homes! Where I live practically nobody speaks Italian, just Sicilian dialect.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:09, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

September 2009
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Jeni ( talk ) 21:42, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think PAs, even if veiled should be allowed to stay. If you put it back, then i hope AlisonW removes it. Tfz     21:47, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Motorway moves
This is from a completely neutral Anglo-Irish admin. Please feel free to continue your "campaign" against British motorway articles. Where they are reasonale, I will support you. Where they aren't (i.e. M4) I will oppose you every time. And - let's be clear abour this - I will block you if you if you are disruptive, in exactly the way I would block disruptive editors on the other side. OK? <b style="color:black;">Black Kite</b> 00:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you mean by Anglo-Irish, it's a kind of misnomer nowadays. You mean half Irish I guess, or something like that. I think WP:BOLD is the best way to edit Wikipedia. Who knows that a page move is controversial until it is done, then a few editors scream controversial, and then get very abusive, which you seem to have missed. All these meta-controversies are important to the growth of Wikipedia, and usually they calm down in a couple of hours, so there is never any need to get excited at all. The project should be able to withstand differences of opinion, if it cannot, then it will not succeed, and maybe just become Anglo-American wikipedia and certainly not the Anglo-Irish Wikipedia, as there is too much animosity between certain English editors and Ireland, and I say that as ex-pat Londoner turned Irish. I'll edit as I see fit, and this last three days has been a complete revelation to me. Tfz     02:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's all very well saying "I'll edit as I see fit", but there's a fine line between being WP:BOLD and disruptive. Moving non-obvious M# pages verges towards that.  For example, I see BHG has dabbed M18 motorway.  Good move - minor British motorway, completely unclear primary target (and she fixed all the links).  Doing it with articles like M4 motorway is just pointless though.  BRD is a good guideline, but when it's obvious that your "B" is going to be "R"'d, why not do the obvious and start a requested move?  Far less conflict will ensue. Oh yeah, "Anglo Irish" - I live in the UK, but one of my parents hails from Tullamore and the other has one parent from the six counties.  So I like to think I can see both sides of the issue. <b style="color:black;">Black Kite</b> 08:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You always seemed pretty fair to me, not that I've come across you often, half a dozen times perhaps. Quote, "...as I see fit" unquote, within the parameters of Wikipedia course, calling it as it is, and PAs are not my game, although humour/irony can sometimes be completely misinterpreted and we have to live with that, and it has happened me. I still cannot see stretches of tar macadam being primary targets, although "M1" is debatable, but not Champs Elysees, or Appian Way for instance. The M system is a mere coding system, and some countries had that before the UK took it on. Anyway, enough of that, it won't be sorted here. Tfz     09:59, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry for butting in here, but doesn't Anglo-Irish mean those born in Ireland of an English, Protestant, often Ascendancy background, such as Wolfe Tone, Oscar Wilde, Yeats, etc.?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:04, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A bit of a misnomer nowadays but still used on and off. The Anglo-Irish Agreement I think was between Ireland and UK, but Anglo meaning English leaves out Wales and Scotland perhaps. The original Anglo-Irish were a mixture of Irish and English people, were members of Church of Ireland, and had the 'divine right to rule', using a very nasty law called the "Penal Law", in Ireland in eighteenth century. Wolfe Tone, Oscar Wilde, Yeats, all of whom were great Irish people would be from that mixed tradition, and Anglo-Irish didn't automatically bestow power much after Emancipation, and repeal of penal laws c 1829. It's a virtually irrelevant concept today and not used much. That's my take on it, and not all OR.) Tfz     16:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * One of my mother's ancestors was a Townsend, who were an Anglo-Irish family; when I lived in Dublin, I worked with a girl whose family was descended from the Ascendancy. I am an Anglican, by dint of my mother, however my dad was the son of Irish Catholic immigrants. It's a bit tricky using the term as it could mean Irish people of English, Protestant backgrounds, or a mixture of British (or English) and Irish.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's one of those terms that's best avoided as it can mean different things to different people, and some Irish people would find it uncomfortable, and even offensive, to be described by the term, as word 'Irish' is inclusive. Never use in polite company .) Tfz    12:49, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Traffic on the M50 motorway (Ireland)
I may've found the solution. -- GoodDay (talk) 18:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

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re-Yknow Domer section
I'd like to point out that my posts on Domers talk page where by no means intended to be trolling. I hope you didn't get that impression. It was my little (bad) joke that seemed to be followed on by a couple of editors who seemed, how shall I put it, a little more serious. I have removed my posts hoping Domer didn't take it the wrong way. Anyway, thought I'd try and clear that up. Cheers! Jack forbes (talk) 13:43, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It was more Malleus Fatuorum, as he accused me and others of all sorts of things a couple of weeks ago which I've forgotton, and the editor who opened the thread, as it just seemed superfluous. I should mmob perhaps.) Tfz     14:03, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Tfz. I probably would mmob if I knew what it meant. ;) Jack forbes (talk) 15:42, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Aha! I think I've got it. The translation is "I should mind my own business". Only took me several hours to get that. Genius! Jack forbes (talk) 15:49, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

No worries Jack, your did get the right impression above. If an editors comments are removed you assume they have been read. Tfz, thanks for the post, assume it was read. -- <strong style="color:#009900;">Domer48 <sub style="color:#006600;">'fenian'  19:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

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Music of South Dakota

The United States state of South Dakota has an official state song, "Hail, South Dakota!", written by DeeCort Hammitt. The state's largest city, Sioux Falls, is home to the South Dakota Symphony Orchestra. The town of Vermillion hosts the National Music Museum.

Music institutions and venues
The town of Spearfish is home to the High Plains Heritage Center and Museum, which hosts the National Cowboy Song and Poetry Hall of Fame commemorating cowboy performers like Dale Evans, Roy Rogers, Patsy Montana, Jim Bob Tinsley, and Badger Clark. Rapid City, one of the major cultural centers in the state, hosts the Black Hills Symphony Orchestra. Other popular musical attractions, such as the Dakota Country Family Music Show and the Mountain Music Show, both near Custer. Motongator Joe's Country Music Festival-SD is held at the Prairie Village located in Madison South Dakota and is a pure country music festival that has been attracting big crowds to camp and enjoy many of Nashville's country music stars. The Black Hills Bluegrass Festival is held every year in June and is operated by the Rapid City Arts Council, while the town of Deadwood hosts the WestFest gathering every year as well. The city of Sioux Falls hosts the annual Sioux Falls Jazz and Blues Festival. The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally each summer has had famous bands since 1982, including Jonny Lang from ND.

Notable South Dakota musicians and bands

 * Shawn Colvin, born in Vermillion, famous for the folk rock song "Sunny Came Home" in 1997.
 * Judd Hoos, a rock band from Sturgis.
 * Indigenous, a Native American blues rock group that came to prominence in the late 1990s with origins in Marty.
 * Clarence Loomis, (1889  – 1965) was an American composer, pianist, and teacher, was born in Sioux Falls.
 * Boyd Raeburn, jazz bandleader and bass saxophonist, born in Faith.
 * Bob Stewart, jazz tuba player, born in Sioux Falls.
 * Floyd Red Crow Westerman, country-western artist, born on the Lake Traverse Indian Reservation.
 * The Kickback, an indie rock band formed in Vermillion.
 * Paradise Fears, alternative band based out of Vermillion.

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Tanausis

Tanausis was a legendary king of the Goths, according to Jordanes's Getica (5.47). The 19th-century scholar Alfred von Gutschmid assigned his reign to 1323 BC – 1290 BC.

According to the Getica, he was the Gothic king who halted the advance of the Egyptian armies of the Egyptian king Sesostris (whom Jordanes calls Vesosis). At a battle on the banks of the river Phasis, Tanausis routed the Egyptian king who had already conquered the Ethiopians and the Scythians.

The Getica states that Tanausis then pursued the Egyptians all the way back to the banks of the Nile, where the mighty river and the fortifications dissuaded him from slaying Sesotris "in his own land". The territory Tanausis had conquered in Asia was then bestowed upon his close friend Sornus, king of the Medes. Some of Tanausis' followers remained in the conquered lands, and Jordanes cites Pompeius Trogus as saying these were the origin of the Parthians, stating that in the Scythian language "Parthi" means "deserter" (5.48).

Following his death, Jordanes writes that the Goths worshipped Tanausis as a god.

The story also appears in the earlier history of Justin, who also based his work on Pompeius Trogus. However, the opponents are described as Sesosis of Egypt and Tanaus, king of Scythia. Jordanes considered the Goths to be Scyths, and often did not distinguish them. Comparisons have also been made to a statement by Isidore of Seville to the effect that the river Tanais (now the Don) had been named for one "Tanus", an ancestral king of Scythia.

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