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Talk:Frederic John Walker

First comment

 * 1) Of what exactly did he die? a heart attack?
 * 2) In which boat did his son die?

Bastie 23:10, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

But it's in the text of the article now. Xyl 54 (talk) 13:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Cerebral thrombosis
 * 2) HMS Parthian

Other memorials
There was some sort of memorial to him in either Litherland or Bootle town hall, I htink it may have been the flags flown as the General Chase signal. I don't remember exact details as it is some years snce I was their during a reception hosted by the then Mayor of Sefton for members of the Sefton Youth Wind Orchestra. Hardly meets NOR criteria at the moment, but perhaps someone else could find out more. David Underdown 13:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, and there's an exhibit in the Merseyside Maritime Museum, too. It's mentioned on the General chase page. Xyl 54 (talk) 13:28, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Bootle Town Hall Grand chamber contains ships flags, bells, and other memorabilia from Walkers Black Swan Class Sloops which he used to such great effect. In the National Maritime Museum, Albert Dock, there is a section on the Battle of the Atlantic, and a sub section devoted to Walker and his ships. I recently donated the original Ships Badge of HMS Wild Goose to this sub section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elbmek (talk • contribs) 16:34, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Walker's first name
My 1956 copy of his biography, Walker, R.N. consistently refers to his first name as Frederic rather than Frederick (which is the spelling used in the article). In the introduction, the author thanks Walker's wife (to whom the book is dedicated) for her time and access to her late husband's documents, along with a lengthy list of other people who knew Walker personally. One of the photos in the book is of a commemorative plaque commissioned by the crew of HMS Starling after his death that also uses the name Frederic. It seems unlikely to me that a biographer having access to primary sources, or Walker's own crew, would spell his name incorrectly. Incidently most of the text of the book can be found on the BBC website at Jll 19:46, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This issue seems to be very confused. The ODNB, artilce gives his name as Frederick, but his father's name as Frederic, and entries in the London Gazette also seem to be inconsistent.  David Underdown (talk) 11:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

World War 2
There are several references to Walker "flying his flag", since he was only a captain this can't be strictly accurate, only admirals can do that (I thought). David Underdown 08:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The phrasing may be incorrect here. In command of a group of other vessels, whether you had command of your own vessel or a captain under you, I believe would make one a commodore.  I believe commodore in the Royal Navy is an honorary rank, and though a commodore has a flag designating the command of the group, it would not go with the captain in overall command once his duties in the group were concluded.  Thus he would have a flag while in command of the group but he would not have been promoted to "flag rank".  I think that would be the reasoning here, though I do not have sourcing for this particular case.Gunbirddriver (talk) 02:46, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

WW2, again
I understansd that Walker rescued U boat crews in order to interrogate them, but once he had found the name & captain's name used to let the remainder drown. I do not judge him for this since one of the ways in which the U Boat campaign was defeated was the impact of huge losses among the crews - something like 80% and by this point the war had got especially ruthless. However Doenitz was sentenced to 20 years for giving a similar command to his U Boats. Maybe when you do this you may expect the other side to retaliate. Still Wlker's actions were against official RN policy Streona (talk) 18:00, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

 * WTF!!!

 * Do you have any evidence for this allegation? Xyl 54 (talk) 13:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

 * The more I’ve thought about this the more of a bloody cheek it becomes:
 * U-boat commanders invariably left survivors to their fate after interrogating them about their ship (check any of these at random, if you like) so if this had happened it would only be a case of "the biter bit".
 * And as they’d since earliest times shown no compunction at all about attacking ships that had stopped to rescue survivors, DEMS regulations were clear that no survivors would be picked up, to avoid endangering more ships; so it was official RN policy.
 * Despite this, U boat crews did get picked up, and Walker was no exception. He and his group accounted for 17 U-boats; where there were survivors (a lot of them were destroyed at depth, and no-one got out) he picked them up (check that, here).
 * But it’s a shame to let the facts get in the way of a good smear… Xyl 54 (talk) 23:50, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Walker's actual policy was to tell the U-Boat crew survivors that he would not let any of them on-board until he'd been given the U-Boat's number, i.e., the name of the boat, e.g., U-324, and the name of the Kapitan. This was usually given as most crews would have someone willing to give the names, besides it was very cold in the North Atlantic water, especially in winter. The rest of the crew would then be picked-up, time-permitting.

 * If not, i.e., if there were still U-Boat contacts in the area, a float or raft would be dropped for them and then a ship (usually a corvette or a frigate) sent back for them later when it was safe. This was the same policy for friend or enemy, as no-one in their right mind was going to stop their ship and be a sitting target for a torpedo if there were known U-Boats around - although some (brave) Captains still did. There would have been no point in Walker leaving anyone to drown as they were POWs by then anyway, and there were specialised ships in the convoys for picking-up survivors, both friend and foe. I suspect that what happened was that while he was trying to pick-up the U-Boat survivors he got a report of another U-Boat and had to leave in a hurry. This would have been very abrupt and may well have appeared to the Germans that they were being abandoned. This would also have been the same though, whether it was a friend or enemy in the water.

 * There was no reason for the U-Boat crews withholding this information as it would be given in equivalent circumstances by British ship's captains (name of ship, captains' name, etc.) and although undoubtedly useful for intelligence purposes, it would also be supplied to the Swiss Red Cross, who would then inform the relevant belligerent country, (in the U-Boat's case, Germany) who could then inform the survivor's relatives that so-and-so had been made a POW and was safe (alive). The withholding of this information may well have been interpreted by the British as 'bloody-mindedness by Nazis', in which case, the battle became one between the 'Nazi's' ideology, and Hypothermia. Usually the latter won and they gave the requested information.

 * Most of Walker's U-Boat 'kills' were of submerged U-Boats sunk by depth charges, Hedgehog, and Squid, so there weren't usually any survivors. The only way a sunk U-Boat had any survivors was if it was caught on the surface, or surfaced after being attacked.

 * BTW, U-Boats themselves didn't usually pick-up survivors. They didn't have the room, although earlier in the war if it was safe many Captains would surface and give survivors in the lifeboats of the ships they had sunk provisions and water. Later in the war though, things became much too dangerous for them to risk this.

 * The British took the Battle of the Atlantic very seriously, and if it became a choice between saving someone in the water or losing a ship, well I'm sorry to say that the choice was keeping the ship, and, unless the risk to the ship was small, the people were left to drown. It took a year to build a ship, and Britain lost over 4,000 merchant ships during the war, mostly to U-Boats, and U-Boat survivors weren't treated any differently. If the British could reasonably-safely pick-up survivors, they did, if not, they were left in the water, friend and foe alike. That was a fact of life.

 * ... and if you really want to know what it was all like for the British back then, watch The Cruel Sea or read the book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.112.46.179 (talk) 20:05, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Walker never left any sailor in the water. This is a complete fabrication. What he actually did, when rescuing German sailors, was ask them which U Boat they were from, the answer was usually forthcoming. On one occasion, U202, a sailor was asked what was his pennant number to which he refused, so Walker said throw him back in. The sailor immediately volunteered the required information and was hauled on board as were all the other survivors. If a prisoner died of wounds, a full military funeral was held with the combined crews attending. One one occasion a sailor on guard had a negligent discharge from his pistol, wounding a prisoner. Walker immediately began an enquiry and asked the prisoners to write down what they heard and saw, they corroberated the accident. Copies were also sent to both the Admiralty and the Red Cross, in order to inform the Kriegsmarine. Walker was a humanitarian with crews, loved by his men, and highly respected by the enemy. Even when he lost his son in submarine HMS Parthian, he did not 'hate' his enemy but was always most diligent in pursuit and destruction of their vessels. I have been in contact with Captain Walker's grandson in connection with a book I have had published and a book, on Walker, I am currently writing, my research is extensive and has so far lasted nearly 6 years. He and crewmen of Walker, have verified my research. Also see www.secondworldwar.org.uk/walkerindex.html, several pages on the story of Capt Walker RN. My work on Capt Walker includes the publication of these facts in Defence Dept publications in other countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elbmek (talk • contribs) 16:19, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Peter Eustace, Radar Operator on board the HMS Starling gives a different account, as recorded in the BBC special Battle of the Atlantic (2002). He states "We had a rule that unless we discovered the number and kapitan of the submarine, we would not pick them up."  He describes letting a 16 yo slip through his grasp and fall back into the sea, as the officer in charge did not get a clear answer to his question from the submariners floating in the ocean after sinking U-264, and so ordered "Let the prisoner go."  The event in question occurred in February 1944, the group was the 2nd Escort Group (2 SG).  The group of sloops was specialized in hunting U-Boats and was well aware that no other boats were in the immediate vicinity.  In fact, they had just sunk their sixth U-Boat in a weeks time.  It is in the third part of the series titled The Hunted. It can be viewed at the following address at the 5:30 mark:
 * www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwwY6XWQcgI  Gunbirddriver (talk) 07:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Then we have two different sources saying two different things. However, this says when U-264 was sunk there were 52 survivors and no casualties, so Eustace's recollection may well be confused on the matter. Xyl 54 (talk) 21:55, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to upset people - I actually heard the allegation on a TV documentary & it made me pause to think about Walker who was a hero to me as a teenager. One of his crewmen was telling the story & I think he felt the same way. On reflection I do not presume to judge. It was a desperate time and ruthlessness was called for. Still if it is not true so much the better.Streona (talk) 00:28, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Peter Eustace's memory is certainly wrong on the particular U-Boat in question, as Xyl 54 pointed out, but then that was during a string of sinkings, and was followed the next day by one of their escorts being torpedoed and eventually lost. It is difficult to imagine Eustace just making up the story he told, particulary as he said it was a haunting, recurring memory of his war experience.  His remorse at letting the young German slip back into the sea was unmistakable.  I would think Walker was fighting the war as best he knew how, much as Clive Caldwell did.  I am not inclined to put it into the article though.  Not without better sourcing, if then. Gunbirddriver (talk) 03:02, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately these days due to the 'meeja-luvvies' many documentaries are not far from being rubbish, some amounting to character assassinations due to the desire for 'controversy' and sensationalism. The subjects are usually dead so the documentary makers have no need to fear being taken to court for slander.

 * The one saving grace of these types of 'documentaries' is that they are often poorly researched and often get so many basic facts wrong - such as mispronouncing names like Prinz Eugen - that they are fairly easily recognised by people who have a reasonable knowledge of the subject.

 * This is what the BBC used to make: and   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.173.74 (talk) 15:31, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

 * The explanation for the above accusation in the documentary is simple. The man would not drown unless he was very unlucky, he would later be picked up by the convoy's rescue ships, which were provided at the rear of the convoy for just this purpose, i.e., picking up survivors - of any nationality. The location of the U-boat sinking would be signalled to them and an escort or rescue ship would search the area as soon as it was deemed safe to do so. The rescue ships had proper medical facilities as well as doctors on board, which the smaller escorts did not. The convoys were often very large and if four or five ships were sunk there would be a considerable number of survivors, many needing medical treatment, hence the provision of these specialised Convoy Rescue Ships. They picked up and treated anyone.

 * So no, no-one was knowingly 'left to drown' - even if some people thought they were. By simply stopping Starling and picking up survivors Walker was taking a risk - of himself being torpedoed - that many escort captains would not have bothered to take for the survivors of a U-boat. Some would have left the survivors for the rescue ships and not stopped in the first place.

 * What I've written above is not secret, or even difficult to find out for someone with a genuine interest in the subject matter. One wonders therefore why the documentary makers who made the programme from-which the quote was taken didn't care to mention these fairly important facts which put the stated 'account' in an entirely different light. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.18.147 (talk) 10:02, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

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Fixed I think. David Underdown (talk) 08:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Recent edits
I’ve made a couple of changes:

2SG was a support group, not a hunter-killer group; HK groups were a USN thing. The difference between HK's and SG's reflects the different attitudes to convoy escort between the RN and the USN.

And the tactic Walker is famous for was the creeping attack, while the text described a barrage attack, which was a bit different. Xyl 54 (talk) 13:15, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Last voyage
This section says

"...where he embarked aboard destroyer Hesperus commanded by Captain Donald Macintyre for his final journey to be buried at sea"

and cites MacIntyres book “U Boat Killer”.

I haven’t got a copy to hand, but I don’t remember him saying he commanded for this voyage; MacIntyre had moved to command Bickerton by this time, and Hesperus was commanded by GV Legassick.

Can anyone check this? Xyl 54 (talk) 18:54, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Walker, Hesperus, and MacIntyre
In a desire to help improve this article, I offer the following for those of you who would like some fresh, supported material to edit with: It is stated in this article that Captain Walker's remains were carried by HMS Hesperus, under the command of Donald MacIntyre, RN. In MacIntyre's book, "U-Boat Killer" (Bantam edition, 1979) he writes (p. 156): "... I received orders... in March, 1944, to leave my faithful Hesperus and take command of one of these [new escort type] frigates, the Bickerton...". Frederic John Walker died 9 July 1944. Continuing in MacIntyres book, he further writes (p. 166): "It was a great satisfaction to me that when that greatest of U-Boat killers was buried at sea, it was in my gallant Hesperus that he made his last journey down the Mersey...Hesperus... was worthy of him." As MacIntyre was already commanding HMS Bickerton at the time of Captain Walker's death, and as HMS Bickerton was his last seagoing command, it is certain that Captain MacIntyre is speaking nostalgically regarding "his" old ship; MacIntyre was the first Captain of HMS Hesperus, having taken her into commission from the builders (Thornycrofts), making him what is known in Naval circles as a "plank owner" (being an original crew member of a ship upon its commissioning), and having Captained her during two separate periods of her commission, in very trying circumstances during the Battle of the Atlantic. Perhaps an edit to the effect that Walker's remains were carried out to sea by HMS Hesperus, a veteran destroyer of the Battle of the Atlantic, previously commanded by Captain Donald MacIntyre, RN, with links provided to existing pages for HMS Hesperus and Donald MacIntyre (Royal Navy Officer).67.142.163.37 (talk) 23:07, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Thanks for that; I'll take it out. Xyl 54 (talk) 23:24, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Walker was buried at sea, in Liverpool Bay, with a guard of Honour made up of Canadian sailors because Walkers 2nd Support Group had already sailed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elbmek (talk • contribs) 16:22, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

His Age. Time He Joined the Navy. Discrepancies?
The article says he was born in 1896. It also says he joined the Navy _as an officer_ in 1909. Can he really have been an officer in the Navy at age 13? I know they made kids work as chimney sweeps back in the day, but this seems ludicrous! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.167.154 (talk) 14:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, he was 13, according to this; but as his first ship (as Sub-Lt) was when he was 18, I’m guessing he was at RN College as a teenager (maybe as Midshipman). The two above him on the page (Waldegrave, Wake-Walker), joined at the same age, so there doesn't seem to be anything unusual about it. Xyl 54 (talk) 21:49, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Greatest anti-submarine commander ever?
In the introduction Walker is described as "the most successful anti-submarine warfare commander during the Battle of the Atlantic"... but surely this must make him the most successful anti-submarine commander ever? Or if not who was and shouldn't there be a link from here?86.167.209.240 (talk) 21:02, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

pyrotechnics
My late father was Merchant Navy and served on at least one of Walker's convoys. He did mention that if a ship was torpedoed the other ships were to immediately fire off any rockets in the hope that this light up the area and catch the attacking U boat while it was still surfaced.

Apparently this idea worked for a while and several U boats were seen and sucessfully attacked by the convoy escorts but eventually the Germans realised what was happening and attacked while still submerged.AT Kunene 123 (talk) 11:07, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

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Title issue
José Alvalade was the name of the old stadium. The new one is called Alvalade XXI —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.193.137.124 (talk)

 * The stadium is called Estádio José Alvalade. The whole building's facilities (Stadium, Swimming Pool, Alvaláxia, CUF Hospital) are called Alvalade XXI. So this is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Felyduw (talk • contribs)

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Talk:Danny Trejo

Filmography
Danny trejo has been in alot more things than that. people need to add more films to the list. DeadWood 16:12, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed; Since Machete will be a full-time movie done around the same time as Sin City 2, I'll add that in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.125 (talk) 06:19, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Crap film though it was, he was in the parody "breaking wind" which I have just wasted more than an hour of my life watching. Not totally wasted time, as it's made wikipedia a little bit more complete :-) 87.194.84.44 (talk) 00:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Was his character from Machete the same character from Spy Kids? Because they have the same surname and everything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.218.173.1 (talk) 11:20, 31 December 2012 (UTC) He's also has a prominent role in FX's Sons Of Anarchy season 4 and 5 as Romeo, as part of the cartel who is working the CIA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.30.234.142 (talk) 06:16, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

The Lead also states Desperado was the last film he did with Robert Rodriguez, the Machete Films were done after this, i'm pretty sure it should first. 220.244.147.59 (talk) 15:14, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

 * He played the lead character, Guerrero de la Cruz, in "Dead in Tombstone" (2013) (source: IMDb) and the sequel "Dead Again in Tombstone" (2017) (source: IMDb) -- Kevin Cole (talk) 23:28, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

More 'Hero' Roles Recently?
First section of the article states: "[...], most notably in "tough guy" roles as a villain or an anti-hero." Maybe this has shifted a bit towards Trejo playing more "hero" - or at least 'beating up villains - roles? Like his roles in Machete and Bad Ass. --82.171.13.139 (talk) 00:35, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * On second thought, maybe anti-hero already covers what I mean. --82.171.13.139 (talk) 00:37, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Correction Needed
"He served 11 years for drug and robbery charges in the Holmesburg Prison[citation needed]" This is false. He never went to Prison outside of California. Holmsburg Prison is in Pennsylvania — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.244.116 (talk) 04:16, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

 * Correction made today. The bad insertions were done 18:53, 29 April 2012; http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danny_Trejo&oldid=489826484. They ignored contradictory information provided by other sources already being cited. They disregarded bylined reports and interviews in favor of a trivial source, the captions in a celebrity photo gallery. Not a RS. Hurmata (talk) 23:17, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Name pronunciation
This is English Wikipedia and the subject was born in the U.S. of Mexican descent and, yet, the pronunciation of his name is given in Castilian (Spain) Spanish. How about giving it in English? —  AjaxSmack  05:58, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Mexico
I noticed that Trejo has been included in WikiProject Mexico (here on the talk page), but I'm not sure why, as he was born in Los Angeles. I looked at the criteria for inclusion in that project and it seems to focus specifically on topics "in Mexico", and doesn't mention the Mexican diaspora. I've temporarily hidden this project. Thank you! Magnolia677 (talk) 10:57, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * No you are absolutely correct - good catch. The nation is supposed to be where the person spent the majority of their life and contribution - not ethnic background.  In this case it clearly should be USA.  I changed the country and unhid (sp?) it.Peter Rehse (talk) 11:01, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Games section
Does this article really need two games sections with different information in them? 85.23.238.234 (talk) 08:42, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

music video
Danny Trejo appeared in the music video "Open Your Eyes" by Maylene and the Sons of Disaster. It's on YouTube.73.239.236.97 (talk) 19:31, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
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Edit Warring
You two appear to be engaging in an edit war, not only on the English Wikipedia, but also on Simple English Wikipedia, which has resulted in MrMcflyman's block there. Please settle your disputes here, especially the ones over word choices. --*Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page ♮ 02:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Observation: I have this page and Danny Trejo filmography on my watchlist. and an IP editor (IP sometimes changes, I think) have been editing back and forth between a handful of repeated changes ("Trejo" to "his"; "$320" to "320 dollars"; "began in the 1980's" to "began in 1985"), along with multiple tweaks on the tables detailing the filmography (amazingly, never breaking the template/markup that I've seen). These back and forths have been done dozens of times over the last while (couple of months?), and I'm sure Mrmcflyman often reverts and rereverts themself. There never seems to be any cross-comment or animosity expressed as in your typical edit war. I believe them to be the same editor, or editors in the same room. Why on earth this behaviour persists, I haven't the slightest idea. I've always put it down to some sort of obsessive, compulsive fixation. It certainly clogs up the edit history. I've found it amusing to watch, but don't let that stop you from effecting a change in behaviour on my account. I'll find something else that's funny and interesting on Wikipedia.

 * ( I wasn't sure if you had this page on your watchlist.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willondon (talk • contribs)
 * I've added both pages to my watchlist, but I do stalk talk pages where I've left discussions. Them being the same editor does explain why some of MrMcflyman's edit summaries are similar to the IP's. --*Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page ♮ 03:43, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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Mama machete to Sha.
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Undid the edits: "Theon (Greek: Θέων, ca. 335 - ca. 405 AD) was an Egyptian scholar in Alexandria, Egypt"

Since the source says Theo of Alexandria and not Theon of Alexandria. Since the author does not give a date, we do we know that Theo and Theon that he is referring to are one and the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Selfworm (talk • contribs) 18:50, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

 * "Theo" is just an alternative spelling for "Theon". If you look for "Theon of Alexandria" in the index (p. 463), it will refer to section 23 (p. 429-430), which is exactly where "Theo of Alexandria" is mentioned, and there is no other "Theon" mentioned there either. It should clear up any misunderstandings if we reference the index page as well, to make it clear that Sarton was in indeed referring to the same Theon of Alexandria. Jagged 85 05:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

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According to the Wikipedia article on the Library of Alexandria, "In short, there is simply no evidence whatsoever to support the contention that Christians destroyed the Library."

This seems very awkwardly placed and kind of out of nowhere. signed gingervlad —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gingervlad (talk • contribs) 23:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Meera Syal

Image
This article seems to be among the longest ones without an image. Does anyone know if they have can source an image of her to add to the infobox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andysmith248 (talk • contribs) 21:12, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Names of children?
How many children does she have? One daughter (Chamelia Bhateli) has been in the press recently for allegedly 'glassing' a man's face in a nightclub argument  but I think there is another. Are they good actors too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.238.133 (talk) 22:44, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The daughter was found not guilty of the charge. Libby norman (talk) 14:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Hoss and Jockey
where she was a regular in the hoss and jockey

Not sure what this means? Typo or esoteric reference? Club? Pub? EdRicardo (talk) 11:08, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

British or English?
A strange piece of English nationalism there from Oliver Chettle! Since the difference is one of identity, may we ask if this is based on any statement by Meera Syal about HER sense of identity, or is it just Oliver Chettle's personal identity crisis which is reflected here. My memory of reading Anita and Me (several times) is that she talks far more about being British than being English. --Doric Loon 11:43, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC) (A Scottish persepctive!)

 * I changed the actor cat from British to English a while back, on the basis that she was born and grew up in England. This is the specific (and pretty uncontroversial) sense in which the British subcategories are widely being interpreted.  If she was from Cardiff then she'd be Welsh.  I see your point, and her sense of identity may be worth including in the article, but its an impractical basis for a category system.  Jihg 22:49, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC) (An English-with-a-British-sense-of-identity perspective)

 * OK, it's not a thing I would even have noticed, except that going to the effort specifically of changing it implies an agenda. But if there is a system I will hold my wheesht!.  --Doric Loon 08:32, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Chameli
Hello, does anyone know any thing about meera's daughter from her previous marraige as there is nothing about her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.127.86 (talk) 11:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Personal Life
"One of her parents is Hindu and the other a Sikh, but their parents embraced their son-in-law." What does this mean? Who are "their parents"? TheOneOnTheLeft (talk) 15:02, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

LUTON WOMEN'S AID
Hi

My name is Sati.I work for an organisation that helps women and children escape doemstic violence. Luton Women's Aid has 4 refuges, one of which a specialised Asian refuge. Currently we are looking to name our refuges, as opposed to calling them House A, B, C and D respectively. Pretty boring, I know, hence the decision to name them.

I would like to suggest we call the Asian refuge Meera House, if this is acceptable to you, since it's being named after you.

I have followed your career with fascination and admiration for a long time, initially because I, too was born in Wolverhampton and am an Indian female, with a daughter and a divorce behind me (also in 2003!). You have truly been an inspiration. I always thought, if she can do it, so can I!

I absolutely adore my job. We have women from all walks of life who come to us for help and support. The tradtitional Asian women find me threatening initially, but come to realise that under my Westernised clothes and independent attitude, that I am an Indian throughout and proud of it. Espescially when we won the Cricket World Series!

I appreciate you are very busy. Being a parent is full time, so fitting in work and marriage you must be extrewmely so. However, I would greatly appreciate if you would respond to this request, whether in agreement or not.

With the utmost respect.

Sati Matoo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.214.130 (talk) 15:47, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Not writing credits
Several of the entries listed as her writing credits appear to really be acting credits: The Killing of Sister George, Doctor Who, Beautiful People, The Strangerers, Tandoori Nights, The Secret Diary of Adrian Mole, likely others. Most are also listed in her filmography in the following section. Someone more familiar with her career should confirm which ones are in error and remove them from the Writing Credits section, moving them as appropriate to the Selected Filmography section. StevenDoerfler (talk) 06:54, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

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This is a timeline of Cambodian history, comprising important legal and territorial changes and political events in Cambodia and its predecessor states. To read about the background to these events, see History of Cambodia. See also the list of kings of Cambodia.

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Talk:Seán Lemass

Age
There's confusion about whether he was born in 1889 or c1900 throughout the article - it describes hims as being only 59 when he succeeded deV and 71 when he died but that doesn't match his given birthdate. Which is right? Timrollpickering 16:56, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Tom Garvin
I added a reference and ISBN for Tom Garvin's (Professor of politics at UCD) book which has just been removed. Reasons for removal, please, or put it back.Stamboul 14:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality claims
" It was a crucial role for the officially neutral Ireland (in fact, as since released government papers by Ronan Fanning, professor at University College Dublin, show, the neutrality was to a significant part fiction, with the Irish government secretly aiding the Allies; the date of D-Day, for example, was decided because of weather forecasts from Ireland, which indicated the incoming weather systems from the Atlantic, the right weather being crucial to the success of the Normandy landings)."

Unless someone can provide some sort of basis for this claim I feel that it should be removed. Aside from being poorly written it is a pretty outrageous claim to make without some kind of evidence to back it upBrenji (talk) 18:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

'Fictional' Neutrality
"Irish neutrality was to a significant extent fiction, as revealed by government papers released years after the war[citation needed]. The Irish government secretly aided the Allies; the date of D-Day, for example, was decided because of weather forecasts from Ireland, which indicated approaching weather systems from the Atlantic, the right weather being crucial to the success of the Normandy landings)."

I'm removing this. Please demonstrate the source. We were neutral and suffered from threat of invasion from Nazi Germany (aided by the IRA), the UK, AND the U.S.A. At many points during the war representatives of all three powers found our neutral stance most unhelpful (tough, Ireland came first). Fergananim (talk) 14:00, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

My recent edit
Hi all! I recently made this edit to (hopefully) help reflect the weight of Lemass' efforts in helping Ireland finally reach the 21st century with regards to industrialisation, FDI, and globalisation (note that it was Lemass that finally convinced the EEC to grant Ireland membership, after two failed applications). I wanted to make a note here, as I used the term "widely regarded." I don't have the appropriate wiki-bet soup handy, hehe, but I'm fairly certain that we have editorial guidelines against using what I believe are called "weasel words." If someone has the time and inclination, I would ask a fellow editor to affirm that the phrase "widely regarded" is appropriate here, and if not, feel free to revert away. If it's a matter of finding more sources to give more weight to the fact that Lemass is, in fact, widely regarded as the father of modern Ireland, I can certainly add them. Thanks in advance! ocee Conas tá tú? 19:00, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * He did help but he also ran the protectionist economic system for most of 1932-60 that wrecked the economy. He then did good, but it was a case of him seeing the light after 3 decades. Portraying him as a genius who emerged after de Valera retired is not the whole truth.86.42.215.68 (talk) 13:02, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

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Never mind that the sources used to support the statement that he "was of French Huguenot descent" aren't reliable sources and don't even said that - they directly contradict it. The first source says his father had Huguenot origins - which is partially true. The second source is a family tree showing that his father's mother was a Murphy (a Irish name) and Sean's mother was a Phelan (also an Irish name). So the surname genealogy is Huguenot but that's not his entire ancestry.Jonathan f1 (talk) 20:03, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

 * I haven’t contributed anything to this article, but if his father is of French Huguenot descent then so is he? That’s how genealogy works? I don’t understand what your issue is with that statement, reliability of the sources aside.

 * Also see WP:SOFIXIT

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 * Ah I’ve just seen that you can’t WP:FIXIT because you’ve been banned from editing article space due to biased editing. I also see that in your editing history you focus a lot on the perception of the Irish race, so I’m not going to engage anymore with you. Xx78900 (talk) 21:33, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Kevin Keegan

Incident in a lay-by
Some time back in the 1990s Keegan was assauled with a baseball bat by two people; he was parked up in a lay-by in Reigate in his Range Rover and was apparently sleeping at the time. This was a minor news item but it was pre-internet so I can't find a definitive source. It's an odd little incident that seems to have sparked a lot of rumour.

One newspaper ran a cartoon with keegan saying to his assailants "on me head son"

 * Rumour is right - I reckon this whole thing is an urban myth. I've heard wildly varying dates for the occurrence of this "incident" (mid 1980s through early 1990s), and the details of what supposedly happened are pretty vague as well. (In one of the versions I heard, Keegan was the one wielding the baseball bat!) There's usually a strong implication that homosexual shenanigans were on the agenda.

 * Without a definitive source (even a newspaper cutting) to go on, I'm happy to leave this one to the conspiracy theorists. :-) 203.46.65.16 11:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

 * The incident definitely occured some time in the early 1990's and was reported in the Surrey Mirror at the time (but sadly I don't keep reference copies). The car park is still referred to by some as the Kevin Keegan Car Park for want of a better name. Pontificake 22:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's true...

FORMER ENGLAND SOCCER CAPTAIN ASSAULTED, ROBBED. 9 April 1991 Reuters News

LONDON, April 9, Reuter - Former England soccer captain Kevin Keegan was assaulted with a baseball bat and robbed of cash as he slept in his car overnight, police said on Tuesday.

Keegan was returning to his home in Hampshire, southern England, from a trip to Spain and had pulled off a motorway crossing the neighbouring county of Surrey to sleep. But about midnight he was woken by two men. One hit him on the head and mouth with the bat and demanded cash. Keegan handed over an undisclosed sum, Surrey police said, and the two men fled on foot.

Keegan managed to drive from the car park and stopped a passing motorist who informed the police. The former Liverpool star and England soccer captain was taken by ambulance early on Tuesday to a nearby hospital where doctors stitched cuts to a head wound and then released him.

THREE JAILED FOR ROBBING EX-FOOTBALLER KEVIN KEEGAN. 10 August 1991 The Independent - London

Three men were sentenced to three years in custody yesterday for robbing Kevin Keegan, the former England football captain, after attacking him with a baseball bat while he lay sleeping in his Range Rover. The former Liverpool star had parked in a car park off the M25 at Reigate Hill, Surrey, to rest during his drive back from a holiday in Spain, Guildford Crown Court was told. Martin Bell, 21, of Southdown Road, Newhaven, East Sussex, Edmund Poole, 20, of South Road, Newhaven, and Darrell Briggs, 18, of Beresford Road, Newhaven, all admitted robbery. It was ordered that Poole and Briggs should serve their sentences in a young offenders' institution while Bell should be sent to prison.

Quotes
This section has suddenly become rather overblown. Surely only a few of the more "amusing" quotes need be given here with a link to | Its a Funny Old Game where most of them have come from. Daemonic Kangaroo 13:27, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, I was considering doing it myself and decided it would be best to come to the talk page. We can leave the first... 6 or so and then just have a link to the rest. -Painezor T C 23:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

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 * Lead needs to be more substantial. Keegan has had a very long and successful and at times controversial career. Needs to show career evolution
 * For such a famous person in a football mad country, I would be surprised if there was not some info about his early years. The bio starts at age 20, and there is no information before this. (✅ -  Toon  05  15:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC))

Onto the coaching career
 * Liverpool section
 * Needs a lot more sources
 * Journalistic style of writing is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. eg, "albeit with a completely mis-hit shot which was all he could muster after he miscontrolled a pass from Peter Thompson. He quickly established himself as a brave, pacey, incisive goalscorer and fan favourite" - should be sourced or attributed to commentators or a group of commentators. (✅ -  Toon  05  15:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC))
 * Don't user contractions
 * Redundant commentary like "more importantly for Keegan, started him on his way to 63 caps" - This is implicit as it is his debut. (✅ -  Toon  05  15:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC))
 * Use of nicknames like "Tosh" - inappropraite (✅ -  Toon  05  15:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC))
 * POV unattributed comments "They were Liverpool's Dynamic Duo"..."Sadly for Keegan" (✅ -  Toon  05  15:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC))
 * Hyperbole "Keegan scored two as Liverpool hammered Newcastle United 3-0 - his first a terrific chest-down and volley from 25 yards after Brian Hall had fooled the Newcastle defence by diving under the ball; his second a far-post stretch and tap-in after great work down the flank between Tommy Smith and Steve Heighway." (✅ -  Toon  05  15:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC))
 * There are more examples of emotional adjetives and hyperbole
 * If he was twice Euro PLayer of the year at Hamburg, then one would expect more than one short para, especially if they reached the final of the European Cup. (✅ expanded section for all of his time in Germany -  Toon  05  15:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC))
 * Southampton section unsourced. First para is POV, and so forth. Speculation about infigithing needs to be sourced, per BLP.
 * More hyperbole like "was adored by the supporters"
 * The England coaching part definitely needs to be more detailed, especially with the media over there and the Euro2000 kerfuffle.
 * Some stints are very thinly covered.
 * personal life needs to be better integrated..Put related events together into a paragrpah.

 Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:13, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Lead will need changing
"At every club that he managed, he won promotion as champions in his first season" - he can't do that with a club already in the Premier League. Unless he wins the title this year(!) it will be completely inaccurate anyway. 81.158.0.164 (talk) 16:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The statement is still true; this is not his first season with Newcastle.--Mas 18 dl (talk) 19:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Won his first game under Stoke
Can this be edited straight away please as the 2nd half has just kicked off and we don't want to jinx anything or tempt fate.

Never mind I can see this has now been done.

Irish descent category
Not cited as usual. Can this be removed or sourced? And no, a name does not prove ethnicity. Just ask Eddie Murphy or Will Smith..... 86.17.211.191 (talk) 02:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've cited it in the Early years section, it's in his autobiography. For the record. -  Toon  05  15:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Photo
Dose anybody have a better Photo? The Current one makes him look like total Knob Fry2000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fry2000 (talk • contribs) 17:35, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Joey Barton
I think its relevant to this page to include Keegan's attitude regarding Joey Barton, as it seems most football people's is to despise the player, while Keegan's is to try to rehabilitate the player —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirrorballman (talk • contribs) 22:23, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * To be quite honest, your POV-pushing] is really not helpful. You seem to have strong feelings about this issue, so I recommend that you avoid editing Joey Barton-related articles, as it's not helping the encyclopaedia. The text you added to this article was massively undue weight], and it's not really worth a big mention in an article like this one. Perhaps a passing mention about Keegan keeping faith with Barton, referenced from [[WP:RS|reliable sources, but cetainly not going into detail about what "Lawro" said. -  Toon  05  15:07, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Whether you like him or not, Mark Lawrenson is a well-respected critic who appears (and has for the last 10 years) weekly on MOTD and I think his critisism of Keegan is worth including. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirrorballman (talk • contribs) 16:13, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Newcastle Utd job
According to the official page he hasn't been sacked, thouhg it doesn't say hes not walked off in a huff http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1383045,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.154.198 (talk) 17:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Hearts appearance
I took the liberty of removing Keegan from Category:Heart of Midlothian F.C. players as he only guested for the club in a testimonial. I would contend that inclusion in these player categories is only appropriate for those who have actually been officially signed or loaned by the club in question, or at the very least, those who have made trial appearances in proper competitive matches. Jellyman (talk) 14:49, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Isn't it a shame
that the article has no pictures of Keegan as a player? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.1.133.70 (talk) 19:53, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * To be fair, short of using a screen capture from old television footage of him playing, it would be extremely hard to source shots of him playing; the professional photographers and the newspapers that paid for their pictures are unlikely to give them away for free, and there probably weren't many fans allowed into the grounds with long fast telephoto lenses. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 14:44, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

"I would love it"
The article mentions his infamous "I would love it if we beat them" meltdown, but I think it would benefit from some context. I mention this because I can barely remember why he had his meltdown, and I can't find a good source on the internet. I think had something to do with Man U manager Alex Ferguson implying in an interview that other teams fielded deliberately substandard sides against Newcastle United because they wanted to save their best players for matches against Man United, but I can't remember. As it stands the quote just seems to come from nowhere. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 14:44, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Early Years
There appears to be a difference of opinion regarding Kevin Keegan's senior school. The article currently refers to Armthorpe Comprehensive School but briefly referred to St. Peter's in 2011 before being amended. Although he may have attended Armthorpe school at some point, I can personally vouch that he attended St. Peter's Roman Catholic High School in Cantley Doncaster for several years from the age of 11. I attended St Peter's around the same time and saw Keegan daily. There are references to Keegan having attended St Peter's by other former pupils and on the Wikipedia page for the Catherine McCauley School (new name for St Peter's). My recollection is that Keegan may have completed his senior education at Doncaster College of Technology. Nextstar7 (talk) 13:56, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

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Driving Ban
The test under personal life says: " Keegan had three points added to his driving licence after being caught doing 36 mph in a 30 mph zone on the A69 road in August 2008. This brought his total to 12 points and he consequently received a six-month driving ban". Can this be correct? doing 36 mph in a 30 mph zone would get him banned?I find this difficult to believe, otherwise sounds like the UK police or road cams have their priorities in the wrong place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indieshack (talk • contribs) 13:49, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * There is a ban for reaching 12 points on the license, not just for that specific offence, which carried 3 points. He must have committed other offences before this to give him the existing 9 points. Keith D (talk) 17:13, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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Malcolm macdonald
He also played in the hearts team during Alex Macdonald's testimonial match on May 16th 1984 at tynecastle, it was a game against rangers, the Glasgow club won 3-2 92.40.194.195 (talk) 10:55, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

one of the best players of all time?
it's untrue to say that Keegan is widely regarded as one of the best players of all time.

He was a strong competitor who made the most of his abilities, but he never features on serious lists of the best players of all time. 2A00:23C8:A20C:2901:60CE:7FE:3A73:D5BF (talk) 20:25, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

 * I’m inclined to agree. “Widely regarded as one of the best players of his era.” might be more accurate? How many GOAT lists has he been in? Btljs (talk) 05:18, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

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Location vs Kindle Location
In the references, what is the difference between Location and Kindle location? Or, if they are the same thing, shouldn't we make it consistent? --Jameboy (talk) 09:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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Children's Books - 'The Doll's House' and 'Tottie, The story of a Dolls House' are the same book. The second one is a paperback version published in the 1980's. Katcocat (talk) 19:18, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

What does "Dutch" in Dutch doll mean? Is it a certain type of doll, or is it a doll produced in the Netherlands? Freako 15:49, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

The answer is now incorporated in the article. Aloysius

Rename?
Surely this page should be called Rumer Godden, per MOS:BIO? It was her professional name and the name by which she was best known. JackyR 22:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Lamb House
The article about Lamb House, states that Godden lived there. Can anyone add when this was? Dr. Dan 19:31, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd guess she was born there, given she was born in Sussex. But this page could certainly do with more sources, which would also answer this sort of Q. JackyR | Talk 22:03, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I tell a lie: she was born in Eastbourne. More sources required! JackyR | Talk 22:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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Works
I've tried to improve the list of her works by separating non-fiction and poetry from novels and stories. I've used the Anne Chisholm biography as a basis, but also consulted www.rumergodden.com and Amazon. The list of non-fiction and poetry is incomplete but I've decided not to add other books until I know something about them. Thursday's children is listed as a children's book in the biography but in her novels on the website. Since most of her children's books are illustrated and this one is probably not I've left it with the novels. St Jerome and the Lion is listed as non-fiction in the bography and a children's book on the website. It is an illustrated poem so I put it with the children's books. 12:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hugobarnaby (talk • contribs)

There is an error in the list of Godden's works of poetry: "1968 A Letter to the World (written with Emily Dickinson)" Not possible, since Emily was long dead before Rumer was born.

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Pen name
The first sentence is this: "Margaret Rumer Godden, OBE (December 10, 1907 – November 8, 1998), was an English author of over 60 fiction and nonfiction books under the pen name of Rumer Godden."

1. Not using the one's first name, does NOT constitute a penname!! I'm sure many of us know folks who go by their middle and last names, especially in cases where father and son share the same name. We certainly wouldn't call that a pseudonym, would we??? 2. Second part of sentence, lacks a verb. (Give me a break, I haven't had any English lessons in at least forty years!!) I would assume the author had intended, "... nonfiction books under the name..." ~word wrap not working or I'm doing something wrong!~ Gl1200phil (talk) 00:22, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The Help Page says:

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Views, judgements about her work today?
Maybe she and her works and what kind of influence -if so- her work had are well known to people from English speaking/ Commonwealth-/ British-colonies- associated countries, but other Wikipedia users don't know her at all, even those interested in (early) female writers. (I myself came here via Bruce Willis' daughter's article! :-D) - To these it would be very interesting to see a paragraph about how her writings (and maybe life?) are viewed by today's literature scientists (not sure if that term exists in English?), maybe also by the Gender Studies, maybe sociologists, etc.; (if critics' opinions changed from her lifetime to now etc.); what do feminists think of her work; Are her books still read, or forgotten, or even would, so to speak, better be forgotten (maybe for colonialistic, maybe racist, maybe sexist portrayals, as exist in other writers' texts of her time)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:3033:D:4604:1:2:C5A0:1CFD (talk) 16:26, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Brahmaputra Steam Navigation Company
Did Brahmaputra Steam Navigation Company even exist? Apart from mentions related to Rumer Godden, there is no other mention of this company. According to my research, the routes were ran first by River Steam Navigation (RSN) and India General Steam Navigation Company. They later merged to become Joint Steamer Companies. Oddly they maintained separate management but had a single managing agent: MacNeill and Co (later MacNeill and Barry). 103.121.231.155 (talk) 12:56, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

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Championship One
put the south wales colours thing next to their team name where it list the teams on the championship one pageYoundbuckerz (talk)

USARL
just a couple of things that need to be done- pittsburgh vipers changed name and logo to sledgehammers, new teams kodiak rugby and new jersey knights, removing the usarl teams from the amnrl and adding the usarl logo and infobox.

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