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Morales

Morales is a Spanish surname. Notable people with the surname include:
 * Alfredo Morales (born 1990), American footballer
 * Alvaro Morales (disambiguation), several people
 * Amado Morales (born 1947), Puerto Rican javelin thrower
 * Bartolomé Morales (1737–?), Spanish officer and Florida colonial official
 * Campo Elías Delgado Morales (1934–1986), Colombian spree killer
 * Carlos Adrián Morales, Mexican football (soccer) player
 * Carlos Luis Morales, Ecuadorian football (soccer) goalkeeper
 * Carlos Morales Santos, Paraguayan football (soccer) player
 * Carlos Morales Troncoso (1940-2014), Dominican politician, former foreign minister
 * Carlos Morales (American soccer) (born 1982), Puerto Rican football (soccer) player
 * Christina Morales, American politician
 * Cristina Morales (born 1993), Spanish kickboxer
 * Cristóbal de Morales (c. 1500 – 1553), Spanish composer
 * Dan Morales (born 1956), American politician from Texas
 * Daniel Morales (footballer) (born 1975), Brazilian footballer
 * Daniel Morales (swimmer) (born 1977), Spanish former swimmer
 * David Morales (musician) (born 1961), New York-based American DJ and music producer
 * David Sánchez Morales (1925–1978), American CIA operative
 * Dianne Morales (born 1967), American non-profit executive and political candidate
 * Eduardo Morales Miranda, Chilean physician and founder of Universidad Austral de Chile
 * Enrique Martín Morales, known as Ricky Martin, Grammy Award winning Puerto Rican pop singer
 * Erik Morales (born 1976), Mexican professional boxer
 * Esai Morales (born 1962), Puerto Rican actor
 * Evo Morales (born 1959), President of Bolivia
 * Fernando Morales (volleyball) (born 1982), Puerto Rican volleyball player
 * Florencio Morales Ramos (1915–1989), Puerto Rican singer, trovador and composer
 * Francisco Morales (disambiguation), several people
 * Franco Morales (born 1992), Chilean basketball player
 * Frank Morales (born 1949), New York City-based American priest and journalist
 * Franklin Morales (born 1986), Venezuelan baseball player
 * Franklin E. Morales (1884–1962), American diplomat
 * Guillem Morales (born 1973), Spanish filmmaker
 * Jacobo Morales (born 1934), Puerto Rican actor
 * Javier Morales (born 1980), Argentine football (soccer) player
 * Jimmy Morales, President of Guatemala
 * Juan Bautista Morales (c. 1597–1664), Spanish Dominican missionary
 * José Morales (designated hitter) (born 1944), American baseball player
 * José Luis Morales (born 1973), Spanish football player
 * José Luis Morales (born 1987), Spanish football player
 * Kendrys Morales (born 1983), Cuban baseball player
 * Leonardo Morales (Scouting), Costa Rican scout leader
 * Luis Morales (athlete) (born 1964), Puerto Rican track and field sprinter
 * Manolo Rivera Morales (1934–1996), Puerto Rican sportscaster
 * Manuel Morales (basketball) (born 1987), Peruvian basketball player
 * Marco Morales (American football), American football player
 * Mario Morales (born 1960), Puerto Rican basketball player
 * Mark Morales (aka Prince Markie Dee) (1968–2021), American dance music producer
 * Memo Morales (1937–2017), Venezuelan singer
 * Natalie Morales (actress), American actress
 * Natalie Morales (journalist), American journalist for NBC
 * Pablo Morales (born 1962) American Olympic swimmer, Gold and Silver medalist
 * Pablo Morales Pérez (1905–1969), Venezuelan baseball executive and promoter
 * Pedro Morales (1942–2019), Puerto Rican professional wrestler
 * Pedro Morales Flores (born 1985), Chilean football player
 * Rags Morales, American comic book artist
 * Ramón Morales (born 1975), Mexican professional footballer
 * Dr. Ramón Villeda Morales (1908–1971), President of Honduras
 * Rebecca Jo Morales (born 1962), American artist
 * Ricardo Arjona Morales, Guatemalan song writer, music producer, poet, singer
 * Ricardo Morales (born 1972), American musician
 * Rodolfo Morales (1925–2001), Mexican artist
 * Sylvestro "Pedro" Morales (18??–1???), Mexican bandit
 * Vina Morales (born 1975), Filipino singer and actor
 * Virgilio Morales Díaz, Cuban Boy Scout leader

de Morales

 * Cristóbal de Morales (c. 1500 – 1553), Spanish composer
 * Luis de Morales (c. 1510 – 1586), Spanish painter

y Morales

 * Gerardo Machado y Morales (1871–1939), Cuban politician

Fictional characters

 * Morales, in the television series The Walking Dead
 * Jim Moralés, in Code Lyoko (voiced by David Gasman)
 * Enrique Morales, in the HBO series Oz
 * Lt. Morales, the combat medic, a playable character in the video game Heroes of the Storm
 * Ramón Morales, in the 2019 film Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark
 * Miles Morales, Spider-Man in the Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man comic book series
 * Charlotte Morales, Spider-Girl, in the Spider-Gwen comic book series
 * Diana Morales, character in the musical A Chorus Line

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse/pictures suppressed

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was - kept

Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse/pictures suppressed
I believe that an encyclopedia should be as user-friendly as possible. Already we have a disclaimer on the article informing readers that they might be offended, so there's nothing lost by allowing them to choose a different version. Indeed, the reason that the forked "(no pictures)" article was created was a request on the Village Pump. To forbid this version is to reduce the functionality of Wikipedia. Cool Hand Luke  05:14, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * DELETE - This page was already voted on for deletion when it was at Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse (no pictures) (see Votes for deletion/Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse (no pictures) - and the vote was something like  25 vs 3 voting for deletion. Yet here it is back again - albeit using some jiggery pokery with templates to remove the pictures. I still think it should be deleted. I see no reason to censor this encylopaedia. Also this is using a sub-page in Wikipedia: namespace and it was agreed some time ago that subpages shouldn't be used. Jooler 21:00, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * This is my vote in the event the subpage is ever nominated: Keep. Unlike the VfD on Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse (no pictures), this page is not a fork. Basically, it uses the article as a template and inserts a template parameter into potentially offensive images' tags that makes them error out. See the contents of this page for yourself. There's nothing but a header here. Like VfD templates, section editing works normally from the "pictures suppressed" version, and anyone wishing to edit the entire article is told by a comment to go to the article itself. Thus, only one article exists; there is no forking.
 * And move. I didn't realize that about subpages. Cool Hand Luke  04:08, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep but move to Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse (no pictures) (No subpages). Transcluding the actual article so no forking is necessary is a great idea, and I think we should offer such versions of articles if that's what people want, as long as the potentially offensive is viewable if desired we are not censoring wikipedia. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 22:56, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete it . Wyss 23:00, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I speedy deleted it as a reincarnation of a deleted article. See candidates for speedy deletion, case #5. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality/talk]] 23:02, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)
 * The majority of previous "delete" votes cited as their major objection the difficulty keeping the articles in synch. Cool Hand Luke's technical solution appears to have addressed those concerns, making this is a fundamentally different article.  I vote to undo the speedy and allow the article to be voted on again.  (Abstaining on the article for now.)  Rossami (talk) 23:07, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Start a discussion on votes for undeletion. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality/talk]] 23:09, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)
 * No. We're not undeleting that article, and I have no desire to. This is not a recreation of deleted material. The content of this subpage is no more than seven lines of code for template substitution. The last article was deleted for forking, and this solution adresses that issue. We don't speedy delete improved rewrites on other articles, so if you'd mind? People need to know what they are voting on here, as it's radically different than before. Unspeedied. Cool Hand Luke  04:08, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Agree with this article being speedy deleted. Lets not beat a dead horse.  [[User:GRider|GRider\talk]] 23:10, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. We've had this debate before. A good Wikipedia article illustrates its subject matter, and if you don't care to look at the images that can be handled with browser settings. [[User:Livajo|Ливай | ☺]] 00:25, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete. This has already been voted on. Martg76 02:18, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Tell me where this has been voted on:

Cool Hand Luke  04:14, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * When cast my original vote, the content of the page was just "っっｂ". Keep. Martg76 15:37, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Support a new vote (obviously) and oppose speedy, which appears to have been undone. This is an important new argument, and so the matter deserves reconsideration. Support a move to eliminate the subpage. Andrewa 04:23, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep. Agree with MGMs interpretation of where this article should eventually be used, no subpages.  —[[en:RaD Man|RaD Man (talk)]] 04:25, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Done. Cool Hand Luke  04:42, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep as long as all links from other articles are to the uncensored version. It might also be a good idea to protect this page. DCEdwards1966 06:28, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep as mgm's suggestion. A creative solution to a thorny problem. Why alienate people just to prove a point?Dr Zen 07:51, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep as per many school districts rules regarding nudity, the main uncensored version is considered unuseable in a classroom environment. This is a nifty hack to suppress the images. Anything that makes wiki more useable in a classroom setting is a definate bonus in my book. Alkivar 08:30, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep this is not a forked article, and User:Cool Hand Luke should be commended for his nice bit of code. This opens up the wikipedia to a whole new audience.  Although I agree that the pictures are the story in this case, this version has allowed me to show this to a home-school group and has allowed at least 6 different public school classes to see this, that I know of.  That's 250 more viewers than otherwise possible, I'd estimate conservatively that at least 500,000 more people will read this full story than would see it with the picttures.  This use of as it has been called "jiggery-pokery" is actually a quite elegant hack, and good for a semi-permanent solution.  This adds function to wikipedia without detracting from it. (This was posted by User:Pedant who forgot to sign his vote Alkivar 18:02, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)) (sorry, thanks Alkivar) Pedant 17:40, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)

 * Keep. Agree with DCEdwards. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 17:53, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep. Impressive hack! Fredrik | talk 18:14, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep, agreeing with the comments in all keep votes. Samaritan 19:12, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep User:Cool Hand Luke's solution. --JuntungWu 02:47, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep this is the correct way of handling censorship in the few cases it might be needed. Clever solution. Jeltz 15:58, 2004 Dec 19 (UTC)
 * Keep, seems a good compromise solution (at the new location of course). Shane King 00:39, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Cool solution, User:Cool Hand Luke. Jayjg 00:13, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Neutral. It's a neat idea, but it is still self-censorship. I feel that a tagging system tagging the article in a category, like Category:Potentially Offensive Material would allow for a useful and NPOV solution, as I have discussed at length at Talk:Clitoris. I find this solution useful, except it doesn't change the fact that we ARE censoring ourselves, which I feel to be non-NPOV, even if we do provide an uncensored version. However, since I don't think leaving this article around does any huge or permant harm, I won't vote for its deletion at this time. Here is an analogy: TV stations rate their shows so that people can control what they are watching easily with a V-CHIP. They don't however go out of their way to censor themselves, since this requires extra work on their part. If we were to categorize potentially offensive items, then this would provide the mechanisim for someone to censor them out themselves, and would have the added benifit on allowing anyone to see what is in that catagory. Now, outside of all of this, the (no pictures) extension on the name is a misnomer, there is a "picture;" a map of Iraq. Maybe the extension (censored) would be better?   —  マイケル   ₪  04:04, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Strong delete'. By keeping this page, Wikipedia is making a statement on the alleged unacceptability, in the context of an encyclopedia, of images of  "nude, abused, and deceased persons." The template also makes a POV statement to the effect that these images are "morbid".  Let those who want to do this kind of thing produce a bowdlerized fork.  --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 05:40, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I dont understand how you can call offering an option de facto calling nudity morbid. The point as I see it to Wikipedia is to educate people on many topics, and therefore opening it to as many outlets is probably the primary goal of Wiki. This merely enhances wiki's acceptance in places it would not be allowed before. Catholic schools for instance (having gone to catholic schools I can assure you in its uncensored form this would NEVER have been acceptable although the topic may have been broached). I believe this sort of template censoring should be default part of ALL pages which have disclaimers necessary at the top of the page, and linked to as PART of the disclaimer. In other words make this a de facto policy. We're not removing nor commenting on the content just offering an alternative to those who would most likely be forced to use an alternative. Alkivar 06:39, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Firstly I think you have misunderstood my use of the word morbid. I do not call anything morbid here.  The word is in the template currently at Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse.  It says, with bold letters, that the article contains morbid photographs.  That is a POV statement.
 * Secondly I do not accept that it is Wikipedia's business to modify its content so as to "enhances wiki's acceptance in places it would not be allowed before." This argument could be used to justify bowdlerization of Wikipedia at source to cater for the wishes of the government of China.  But such bowdlerization is not necessary.  The government of China is quite at liberty to take the content of Wikipedia and doctor it to its own purposes.  Likewise the Roman Catholic Church.  What I am saying is that we should not do it. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 07:18, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Seconded. Can't understand why some don't want the project to be available to a wider audience. The original article is there. BTW, since when were all descriptive words "POV"? Next we won't be allowed to call the sun "bright" or say the sea is salty.Dr Zen 07:09, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The content of the project is already available free to anyone who wants to use it, under the GFDL. Doctoring our articles does not change this in any way.
 * The sun is bright, that is a fact. The sea is salty, that is a fact.  The photographs are morbid, that is an opinion. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 07:20, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Tony: I edited the header to de-bold it and qualify with "potentially"—anyone can fix these kinds of NPOV problems. I didn't write that text to begin with; this was the pre-existing disclaimer. The only words I added were "for a version without these pictures see..." I just barely created this solution on December 5, and didn't want to disturb the underlying article very much. Pop quiz: when did the article gain a bold disclaimer about morbid photographs? Answer: June 30. Cool Hand Luke  09:45, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, I don't view POV problems as a reason for deletion, but I did mention this to highlight the fact that the selection of this particular page for that solution is inherently POV. As I discussed elsewhere, there are hundreds of reasons why an individual might not want to view pictures and none of them are dealt with appropriately by the site designer guessing which photos will cause offence and producing an ad hoc workaround.  All graphical web browsers since NCSA Mosaic ten years ago provide the user with complete control over whether he or she sees images.  In Internet Explorer, you do this by deselecting "View Images" in Tools|Internet Options->Advanced->Multimedia.  In Mozilla Firefox you do it by deselecting Load Images in Tools|Options->Web Features.  In Firefox, you can also selectively block image sources, just right mouse button over a Wikipedia image and you will see a menu option to "block images from upload.wikimedia.org".  Select that and you get Wikipedia with all the screen furniture (which is on commons) but without the pictures in the articles. I won't be grumpy if your workaround demo isn't deleted, but I don't think applying it piecemeal like this is a solution. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 11:27, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. anthony 警告 20:56, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm surprised. Why? Dr Zen 00:13, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete. It's a clever bit of coding, but a terrible precedent. Why should just one Wikipedia article have a censored version that removes information some people may find objectionable, when there are other articles this same logic could be applied to? Bryan 03:24, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The fact it has not been applied to others is irrelevant, as this template has only been in existance about 2 weeks. Given time I've got 0 doubt it will be applied to others equally. I think this should be the de facto rule whenever images of dead bodies, nudity, etc... are involved just to keep a useable version for public libraries (which btw are denied access to this article!) try it at your local public library internet terminal you'll likely find it blocked by Net Nanny or some other filter. Alkivar 04:43, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Bishōnen

Needs to update to a modern context
Reading through this article, I honestly find the article quite problematic and sometimes inaccurate, especially concerning content about whether shonen manga/anime tend to have side characters that are bishie or whether the entire style can be bishie.

There has to be a clearer delineation of what it means to be bishie, and the article needs to use more up-dated and modern examples than manga from the 80s that a public audience may be more familiar with, nor is it very well-representative of bishonen as an art movement and development and how it's depicted and stylized over time, since the 80s, and to a degree, 90s style, is extremely different and unrelatable to modern-day manga that is being produced and it is extremely difficult to do stylistic comparisons between modern mangaka to how manga looked like back then. For one thing, the overall style was much more clunky and there was a clearer difference between bishonen and non-bishonen in how males were drawn and depicted and individual style and flair of each mangaka was not nearly as distinct and prominent as it is now.

Take a modern manga such as Bleach that began being serialized in the early 00s that began as a strict shonen and had no elements of bishonen, though Kubo Tite over time, began to develop a style that moved closer and closer to bishonen which was true for almost every character he draws/drew, even though he initially introduced stereotype bishonen side characters such as Yumichika. It's extremely difficult to argue that very few male characters do not to one degree or another, nowadays, fall into a bishonen category, and his overall personal style is that of emphasis on slender limbs and effeminate faces. Similarly, the "new" generic baseline of how males look like in most modern produced anime tends to lean closer to bishonen than it does other styles, especially if it's a non-seinen. Case in point would be the Final Fantasy franchise and while neither manga or explicit anime in that it's computer- as opposed to "traditional" animation, men are primarily stylized according to bishonen aesthetics, even though Final Fantasy as a video game franchise tends to adopt shonen story tropes and values over shojo and has, historically speaking, appealed more and meant to appeal more to a young male (shonen) audience.

Contrast this with the bara manga scene that tries to de-emphasize how modern-day depiction of men in Japanese media has moved further and further towards effeminization, which isn't just a thing in anime/manga but Japanes youth society as a whole (see Iida Yumiko's works here, can provide sources later if needed.) This needs to be addressed somehow in this article, or it feels quite disingenuous and inaccurate given the current social context that exists in Japan, especially concerning youth culture that bishonen has as a target audience. Bishonen isn't just a thing for girls anymore, but has slowly become adopted as an overall social ideal and standard for male youth in general and one can theorize it is so as an attempt to backlash the otherwise rigid patriarchal values that are set in place. /Rant over. (I should add that the more traditional bishonen style is retained in more typical shojo works such as yaoi, perhaps a bit ironically.)

--Entr0pic08 (talk) 13:15, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Biseinen definition?
I was under the impression that 'biseinen' meant a man who was attractive in a masculine way, as opposed to the bishonen, beautiful in a feminine way.
 * Literally, it would mean beautiful group of manga aimed at a demographic group of 18-25 (look up meaning of prefix bi and seinen, so I'm even more confused than you are. — Ambush Commander (Talk) 20:53, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Seriously, the whole 'biseinen' and 'bishota' is a product of people who haven't lived in the Japanese language. Native Japanese SPEAKERS do NOT use the terms, as they violate the integral aesthetic context, and the Japanese women I've talked with insist on only using 'bishonen'. Age is important here--the concept that a bishonen is sexually viable but still a youth, not a married man with the responsibilities of manhood. Once a man moves into that sphere, literally with full societal manhood (producing children is part of this), different descriptions apply, even if that man is supremely attractive.

Case in point: It would be highly innappropriate to refer to Johnny Depp as bishonen, despite his popularity. There is another Japanese term for someone who is physically attractive, rather than the prefix, "bi".

--sazynska 16:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Biseinen is a legitimate Japanese word, at least in internet communities, though I doubt bishouta is. From the Japanese wikipedia article for a video game, describing the main character, a college student: 容姿は美青年であるが (Although he is an attractive young man...). The main distinction here is between shounen and seinen, boys and youths. The "bi" prefix can, in modern Japanese, go before pretty much any description (I've seen 美父美娘, a beautiful father and daughter pair, and similar usages). I'm going to edit the relevant section to reflect this.

Aesshen (talk) 07:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Edits needed
This article is skewed to a western perspective, and shows a lack of knowledge of Japanese culture relative to the rest of Asia and of Japanese/Asian aesthetics. The original writer was quite thorough with what s/he had, but lacking background for the topic beyond pop culture and sources typically available in the west.

This is an old concept, although I am not sure how long the word 'bishounen' itself has been in use.

Transliteration with a 'u' is quite proper under the Hepbern system, although in American English we tend to simplify the spellings; the 'u' letter is actually in the word in Japanese, which translates in letters to "bi sho u ne n"; however, the 'u' simply marks a long vowel, when following 'o'.

All things considered, I'm going in for an edit, here. This is my thesis topic. --sazynska 16:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Seconded, for what it's worth. Not only does the author use some improper definitions (a rather creative misdifining of the word which the article is about, actually, borne of American Manga pop culture more than the definition of the words in question and their meaning) but also there are some really, really bizarre editions. Ie: The Master Chief from Halo being included in the list of Bishounen. 68.96.255.13 22:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Wrong meaning of 'fetish'?
I'm thinking the original author was intending to link to Sexual Fetishism with the reference to fetish.

Checking with the others before I edit it myself.

Book by Beckjord
Why can't he list it? Or anyone list it?

Also, why do Japanese cartoons show non-Japanese people most of the time?

Puzzled.

207.200.116.67 03:19, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

homo and hetero problems
I'm not sure most of them in reality are heterosexual is an accurate or appropriate statement capable of citation. I would say that most often the characters of shonen-ai and yaoi, the predominant areas in which bishonen appear, are in male/male relationships. Whether or not someone wants to refer to these characters' sexual identities as "homosexual" can go under dispute, but the relationships they are in are certainly not "heterosexual" in nature either.

Is this statement saying that bishonen appear most often in heterosexual situations? Can this be qualiified a little--maybe with an academic source? There has been plenty on bishonen representation.

Also, the phrase "in reality" is a little problematic, as bishonen characters exist predominantly in works of fiction.

I'm going to go ahead and rephrase the sentence, but if these questions can be accurately answered please feel free to re-alter.

List of bishonen characters
As is right now, the list is way, way too long to be useful to readers of this article. If someone wants to spin it off into its own article, a List of bishonen characters or something, that might not be a bad idea. I think for the purposes of this article, the list here should be cut down to ten or so very typical and paradigmatic examples of bishonen characters that everyone can agree are bishonen. We're not keeping a scorecard of all the bishonen characters, we're trying to give readers an accurate and succint explanation of what bishonen actually is. Ford MF 13:18, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that half aren't really bishounen. They're just cute characters drawn in the anime style. I'm going to take out a lot of them. Clevomon 9:41 EST, 23 December 2006
 * I've moved the list to List of bishonen characters. The page is still in a very crude form, so any help there would be appreciated. Also, if anyone wants to take out the list here, feel free, but I didn't want to be presumptuous by doing it myself. Jediserra 20:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Concidering how many women disagree on which characers are bishounen & that almost all anime & manga have them, it's best the list not exist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.77.255 (talk) 07:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Also it may be considered original research. That's why we're not doing it at bara (genre) for the bara character type unless there's a reference. --SykoSilver (talk) 02:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Contradiction in article content
There's an apparent contradiction in the article regarding the term "biseinen". The "Origin" section says that the terms "biseinen and "bishota""do not appear in Japanese, but are conjunctions created by Western fans from Japanese loan-words." But the Usage section states that: "In the original Japanese, however, 'bishōnen' applies only to boys under 18. For those older, the word 'biseinen' or 'bidanshi', literally 'good-looking man' is used." According the term Usage section, "biseinen" used in Japanese, but according to the Origin section, "biseinen" was created by Western fans and doesn't appear in Japanese. Can someone with knowledge of the subject matter resolve this and correct the article?  Kuribosshoe 07:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Similarly, while the article states that bishonen goes back to the Tale of Genji (which I believe is fanciful OR), why are there no examples except manga, and why do they date back not more than about 15 years?  This article needs a serious rewrite.MSJapan 16:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I can address the biseinen thing, at least. I'll try to fix this up a bit. Aesshen (talk) 07:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

List
The list of examples is far too lengthy. Can it be chopped down a bit, using only the most important examples and no WP:OR? YuanchosaanSalutations! 06:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, definitely please. I've seen it grow and grow and grow, as random people drop by and add their favorite bishounen character to the list. But I haven't found the time to seek out a few authoritative external resources on the characters we should label as such. — Edward Z. Yang (Talk) 22:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

A little advice?
Hello Bishonen. I am fairly new here and have been working on the LGAT articles. I would like to know how best to encourage whole the group of editors to work together with NPOV policies. I see that there are some very constructive efforts from some of them but they seem to either fall on deaf ears, be ignored, or simply be ineffectual. Well you can imagine with the LGAT subject there will always be resistance to certain facts which leads to fairly obvious censorship and they claim consensus in order to ignore NPOV - I'll not name names but some editors really do have that tendency in the extreme. When I supply all editors with encouragement to comment it often gets ignored. I even supply templates for people with complaints to fill in and again nothing happens. Could you suggest any other way that might help? Jeffrire 02:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

good link
Here is a really good link someone should post as an external link http://www.bishoneninfo.curvedspaces.com/

intro
What does this mean a young man "whose beauty (and sexual appeal) transcends the boundary of sex"? Does his beauty lie in non-sexual motives? Is he an androgynous charakter? Or are the boundaries of traditional sexual orientation the point? I think this should be expressed in a more straightforward way. -- 790 (talk) 09:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Intro help needed
The last paragraph/sentence in the intro - "Typically, bishōnen are depicted with either outright homosexual content or some level of sexual ambiguity in their relationships and sexual identity, though in increasing instances in anime and manga, such as Saint Seiya, Fruits Basket, Trinity Blood, Weiss Kreuz, Gravitation and Naruto to name a few." makes no sense. Something is obviously missing. --198.88.216.104 (talk) 01:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Junmatsumoto.jpg
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Bishounen, crossdressing, moe, & femenists.
Many femenist artists notably prefur bishounen for mysandristic reasons; their male characters are not athletic or "kakkoii" at all, but either have completely androgynous or femanine personalities. Another thing I've noticed in many mangas: the more femanine boys are smarter while the more masculine boys are depicted as idiots, villains, & nieve foreigners. & we can't forget the popularity of bishounen crossdressers. Oh yes, & the "moe" that comes with "reverse harem" shoujo series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.77.255 (talk) 07:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

 * So what? How can this contribute to the article? And please, I'm not even a native speaker, but try to improve your spelling, if possible. Thank you.--189.122.16.187 (talk) 22:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Ambiguous image description

What exactly does this caption mean by companion. Are they sexual lovers or friends? I would edit this myself, but I am note sure. Is companion a euphemism for sex partner? Wikipedia is supposed to avoid terms such as that when they become ambiguous see WP:EUPHEMISM.Wikiposter0123 (talk) 20:43, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Edited. - JRBrown (talk) 22:37, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I seem to recall that in the Buruma book, it was considered an ambiguous relationship between Yoshitsune and Benkei... like 'are they or aren't they' or something, or they're companions, wink wink nudge nudge. Buruma's book may have more information on this. --Malkinann (talk) 13:16, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

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User talk:Reene/Archive1

''Note: This is an archive of past discussion and comments left on my talk page. Please do not add to or alter anything on this page.''

Welcome!
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and vote pages using three tildes, like this: ~ ~ ~. Four tildes (~ ~ ) produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome!
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 * Quinobi 08:11, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ingrown toenail
Qudos on making the front page! One question/suggestion, when discussing cutting the nails you mention that the nail could be cut too short or "peeled". What do you mean by peeled? Maury 11:31, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Clarification
Are you implying that I made that post on that other board? If so, I'd suggest you think again. I never knew about it, and if you were able to check the IP address you'd see I post from Australia and I'd say they are posting from America. Just thought I'd clear it up. Also, so what if they are voting? There is no policy against it. - Ta bu shi da yu 09:17, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Care to explain what rules or policies I've broken? I suggest you read them a bit more carefully. I also suggest you check the history of the vote to see what's really been going on. Oh, and you might also want to be informed that I asked Netoholic to place the U.S. electoral controversy on the VfD page. Only you can't easily see this, because he keeps clearing his talk page, so you can't tell how I've been trying to communicate with him. Still think I'm suspicious? - 13:16, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Let's make this clear, as I've read a lot more of your comments on VfD. You seem to be under the impression that I will be performing an administrative role on the vote for deletion page I'm embroiled in at the moment. Your impression is incorrect. I will not be doing the final vote count, and I will not be blocking the page. Nor will I intimidate other users by blocking them from editting based on their vote. The only function I might use is the rollback function, and that's not much different to a normal everyday revert. Rest assured: I will not be abusing my admin powers. If you feel I've stepped over the line, please drop a message on my talk page, however I am not a psychic so in the unlikely case where I have abused my powers please tell me specifically where you feel that I am in the wrong. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:20, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks

 * Much thanks for moving my VfD to the correct section. Too often I am in too much of a hurry. PaulinSaudi 09:25, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)]]

May I suggest ...
... that your personal attacks on the integrity of Ta bu shi da yu are doing you more harm than good. When he actually does something that steps over the line, criticize him for it then. Your insistence now on claiming that he "has already made it quite clear he has no intent on being objective or NPOV", in other words, assuming bad faith of actions he has yet to take, does not reflect so much on him as it does on you. And it reflects badly on you. -- Antaeus Feldspar 16:35, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

"Disgusting"?
I had nothing to do with it but what is wrong with publicizing/requesting comments on other websites? I'd be fine if someone posted a link to the article on a conservative website and reverse sock puppets showed up, the more people respectfully debating the better. If these new users stick around wikipedia benefits. Though there have been some pro-article troublemakers yes.

You should reserve some of your disgust for Netoholic's behavior in this matter. There are many, like him, with valid concerns about the article, but judging just his actions the last day or so one would be accurate in believing he is a troll. His actions were not only in opposition to, but severely detrimental of wikipedia's principles of debate and discussion. Zen Master 17:07, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I encourage you to investigate
If you actually took the time to compare my edits with Netoholics you would see who is deserving of disgust. I can provide a list of incidents, others would be happy to as well, if you care. Please list just one example were I was "reprehensible" about an actual wikipedia article or wikipedia policy? I admit to being opinionated on IRC and in talk pages (where it's fair game), but my article edits are golden. I stand by my edit history, how does NH explain his? I understand you and I got off to a bad start because it's difficult separating agreement with NH's POV from the unacceptable way he went about pushing his POV. I have no problem with POV, but I have a problem with actions detrimental to debate and consensus building.

Sockpuppets are technically accounts that a pre-existing user creates to seemingly increase support for some cause/article etc, but if these "sockpuppets" are actually legitimate new users who stay and contribute I don't see a problem, do you? If you do, does that mean you are against publicizing wikipedia generally? Or do you and others call some new users "sockpuppets" just because they likely disagree with your POV and that pisses you off? I on the other hand welcome all new users regardless of POV.

The essence of wikipedia is encouraging honest and respectful debate over controversial issues while working towards a peaceful solution, it's not just about writing articles (this point NH seemingly does not understand or cares about). NH had some valid concerns, but he went about it in a manner in opposition to the spirit of wikipedia's guidelines and policy. Zen Master 01:48, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

You misinterpret
You misinterpreted what i was saying above, I never asked for those votes to be counted, I just wonder why all the rhetoric and "sockpuppet" backlash, new users should be welcomed on wikipedia, don't you agree? You also are wrong about flameage and personal attacks but i will stop mentioning him. Again, I would happy to submit to a third party analysis regarding my actions regarding the election controversy article matter as to conformance with wikipedia guidelines, if you ever have specific instances of problems with my edits or disagree with me please discuss. Zen Master 02:35, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hiya. Apologies. The issue isn't with Netoholic per se. Its with interference with a vote. For that purpose having already taken it to his talk page, and witnessing others say the same on the VfD and elsewhere to him, I posted the alert. I did so because the vote is being vandalised, not because of a battle with him. Please either discuss or reinstate, Im reasonable but i dont know how to get through to the guy, not to delete other peoples stuff to suit himself. he says he isnt then repeats. Ideas? For the short term I mean, the life of this VfD that lasts 2 more days, and which he has removed others comments from routinely. FT2 08:42, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)

Stop removing comments from the VfD page
Others would disagree with you about the "personal attack" bit of this. The conduct of Netaholic on the VfD page is actually quite relevant to the vote. I have had to repair damage to the page by him several times. For instance, I had to move all the comments back into the main page after he decided to clear them from the page and shift it to the talk page. This is a definite no-no on VfD, because if you look at WP:VFD you will notice it includes all the pages comments. There is not a single VfD there that has had comments moved to the talk page. I'm going to wait from a response from you, then restore FT2's comments. I won't be doing it as an administrator, by the way, I will be doing it as an editor. - Ta bu shi da yu 10:23, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * If the comments are on Netaholic's conduct in VfD, why not point it out?! Also, the messages keep getting cleared without response. Have you noticed that? - Ta bu shi da yu 10:46, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm not talking about the big red letters. That was a bit silly. I'm talking about the conduct of the user. Personally, I have had to make a few notes on the page to note what he has done. I did not put this on the talk page. Basically the VfD page is a talk page! - Ta bu shi da yu 11:15, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I misunderstood you. I thought you wanted them under the discussion page. I agree with you that comments about Netaholic should be under the comments section. Incidently, it's not nice to give ultimatums, especially to moi. - Ta bu shi da yu 12:00, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Reene, you'd do much better to try to work out a compromise on the basis of keeping separate articles and the sales data in some form, because there's absolutely no way you're going to get away with this attempt at merging. And your petty "disendorsement" of me has been noted. Everyking 10:46, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * All right, Reene, we shall see how this situation turns out. Everyking 11:00, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thank You
Reene, I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate what an extraordinary editor you are. Great edits, great insights, and a great big bloody toe! ;-) Good job. :) func (talk) 01:35, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Well, I will be happy to mediate, Reene, but I will discuss matters only on a constructive rather than a destructive basis. I have seen enough removal of perfectly valid information from the article. I will continue to employ my three daily reverts if you continue removing information, in addition to making sensible improvements to your text in the meantime. Everyking 08:04, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I'm glad you liked it! I thought it was inspired, myself. Everyking 08:49, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * lol wow you are fast...ty for adding the word i accidentally deleted on InuYasha =)) — LegolasGreenleaf 00:21, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)

I did not join just for the purpose of voting! A few days ago I contributed improvements to one of the pages in question, cleaning up style, and adding footnotes to facts, where the material was not properly referenced. Please point me to the place where it mentions how many edits I am required to do before voting!--Boscobiscotti 03:29, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Re this and Village_pump_%28assistance%29: can I suggest that you not actually delete comments on VfD even when they are made by people not qualified to vote? They are still qualified to debate. If you are really worried that someone will count a vote they shouldn't count, just remark on the vote being by a brand new user, or a possible sock puppet, or whatever, but please don't delete. It makes people angry and doesn't actually gain anything. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:57, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

 * User_talk:Jmabel Reene✎ 08:04, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

 * Sorry, he said at Village_pump_%28assistance%29 that you had now deleted his comments. I took that at face value. Probably someone else did it. -- Jmabel | Talk 08:07, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
 * Who knows. Sorry I took it at face value; I was just trying to make a constructive suggestion about not escalating. -- Jmabel | Talk 08:13, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
 * No apology needed, but it is happily accepted. -- Jmabel | Talk 08:23, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

 * I misunderstood the page, and thought my vote was "revoked" or removed. I did not claim that my comments were removed. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

 * Here is why I misunderstood, and thought you had invalidated my vote: You stated unequivocally that "I may not vote". "Your votes are therefore invalid", "Sorry". And that I was "making too big a deal of it." When I read these comments I assumed that you had some kind of right to make that call.  I am still unclear. Are you an administrator, who decides what votes are counted on this particular page? Or are you stating an opinion?   My interest in this page is not in 'bad faith'  I am not a troll or a 'sock puppet'.  I am a computer professional who has done extensive reading on this issue, and wanted to 'clean up' and contribute to this important page,and others which cover the subject of computerized voting.  I think the wikipedia is an excellent place for pulling together accurate information on this issue.

--Boscobiscotti 18:19, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Your toe
Reene, thanks for your input re: Schiller Institute. I was just about to write to you to say how much I enjoyed your ingrown toenail article, which I've just stumbled on (as it were), and especially the photo! :-) Slim 11:44, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

Your talk page
Reene, perhaps as an aid to users, you should put a message at the top of your talk page saying that you delete comments on your talk page, and that they should check the page history if they want to see past dialogue. Kevin Baas | talk 01:17, 2004 Dec 7 (UTC)

 * This is false and misleading. I'm perfectly within my rights to remove comments made on my talk page that are deliberately inflammatory in nature (others have agreed on this). That includes comments that are incredibly uncivil, which yours were. Likewise I do not feel a need to tell anybody reading my page to check up on these flames. Now, if you wish to discuss something with me (instead of rudely flinging accusations that are bolded, italicized, and capitalized) I would encourage you to do so in a calm, civil manner. Anything else will be removed for the mindless flames they are. Reene✎ 01:28, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

 * You said that what I said, that you "delete comments on your talk page" is false and misleading, and then you went on to explain how you delete comments on your talk page. Perhaps this wasn't the alleged *cough* "false and misleading" part?  Was it the part about "aid to users"? or the "page history...to see past dialogue"?  Please point it out, so that I can avoid such "false and misleading" statements in the future. Kevin Baas | talk 01:39, 2004 Dec 7 (UTC)

 * It's false and misleading to imply I'm removing comments on my talk page for no reason, and that they should "check the page history if they want to see past dialogue" when no dialogue took place save for between you and zen master, whom I'd asked to stop bothering me here anyway. It isn't an aid to users either. If anybody is truly interested in seeing your flames, I'll be sure to direct them to the history if they ask. But I certainly won't comply with your request that I "put a message at the top of (my) talk page saying that (I) delete comments". Reene✎ 01:48, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

 * Pretty soon I'm going to stop "harrassing you", or as I percieve it, trying to communicate, because frankly, it is beginning to seem quite futile. I did not imply that you are removing comments for no reason.  I have not said anything false or misleading except that which you have imagined.  Do not imagine me, see me as I am.  Read what I write as it is, nothing less or more.  "no dialogue [taking] place save for between you and zen master" is dialogue taking place.  How would people ask know to ask if they have no means by which to be informed of the issue?  People have every right to not have to ask.  It aids users in that they can learn about how you and other users have interacted.  Whether it reflects poorly on the other users or you is for them to decide freely, and they have every right to the information and by it to judge you, me, and zen master.  I did not make a request, I made a suggestion, hence the word "perhaps", and the tone.

 * I do not demand things from others. It is against my principles.  I do demand, however that people respect the borderlines of justice.  In this case I will "tell" rather than "ask".  The logic for this is that asking is respecting borderlines, and when people don't ask, I tell them to ask; "tell" is the line, "ask" is not crossing it; people cross the line, I "tell" them no; I "tell" them where the line is: exactly half-way between any given two people, exactly, precisely half-way, not a millimeter in either direction..

 * I am not "flaming" or being aggresive. I am asserting; I am stating matters of fact simply and candidly.  I am communicating in "a calm and civil manner."  If you want to hear me, take what I say at face value; do not extrapolate. Kevin Baas | talk 08:31, 2004 Dec 7 (UTC)

 * Actually, saying something like "If you do not, then you are lying and slandering a person, and that is WRONG. Do you hear me? It is just plain WRONG." (excessive use of bold and italics removed) is not merely "asserting". It's being quite aggressive and extremely rude as these comments were based upon absoloutely nothing. Ta Bu made a (what I felt to be) misleading statement on a VfD page; I responded to it (and notice that he's not objecting to my response to his statement, possibly because he (rightly) feels that each and every person deserves a fair say without being harassed). I made no accusations against anybody. Do you hear me? Absoloutely none, zilch, zero. Both you and zen seem to have some huge problem with me though, perhaps because I don't share your POVs and perhaps because I've made it quite clear to zen that I have no interest in speaking to him (since you two seem to be friends or at the very least willing to back eachother up). That said I'd like you to stop posting here now. Your only interest seems to be to attempt to badger me into doing something and that is not something I will allow you to do. Goodbye. Do not comment here again on this issue. You've said enough and so have I. Reene✎ 08:57, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

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Northrop Tacit Blue

The Northrop Tacit Blue was a technology demonstrator aircraft created to demonstrate that a low-observable stealth surveillance aircraft with a low-probability-of-intercept radar (LPIR) and other sensors could operate close to the forward line of battle with a high degree of survivability.

Development
Unveiled by the U.S. Air Force on 30 April 1996, the Tacit Blue Technology Demonstration Program was designed to prove that such an aircraft could continuously monitor the ground situation deep behind the battlefield and provide targeting information in real time to a ground command center.

In December 1976, DARPA and the U.S. Air Force initiated the Battlefield Surveillance Aircraft-Experimental (BSAX) program, which was part of a larger Air Force program called Pave Mover. The BSAX program's goal was to develop an efficient stealth reconnaissance aircraft with a low probability of intercept radar and other sensors that could operate close to the forward line of battle with a high degree of survivability.

Tacit Blue represented the "black" component in the larger "Assault Breaker" program, which intended to validate the concept of massed standoff attacks on advancing armored formations using smart munitions. The Pave Mover radar demonstrators provided the non-stealth portion of the program's targeting system, whereas Tacit Blue was intended to demonstrate a similar but stealth capability, while validating a number of innovative stealth technology advances.

The radar sensor technology developed for Tacit Blue evolved into the radar now being used by the E-8 Joint STARS aircraft.

Tacit Blue was given the cover designation of "YF-117D" by the Air Force.

Design

Tacit Blue, nicknamed "the whale" (and sometimes also called an "alien school bus" for its only slightly rounded-off rectangular shape), featured a straight tapered wing with a V-tail mounted on an oversized fuselage with a curved shape. It was the first stealth aircraft to feature curved surfaces for radar cross-section reduction. Northrop would use this stealth technology on the B-2 bomber. A single flush inlet on the top of the fuselage provided air to two medium-bypass turbofan engines. Tacit Blue employed a quadruply redundant digital fly-by-wire flight control system to help stabilize the aircraft about its longitudinal and directional axes.

Operational history

The aircraft made its first successful flight on February 5, 1982, in Area 51, at Groom Lake, Nevada, flown by Northrop test pilot Richard G. Thomas. The aircraft subsequently logged 135 flights over a three-year period. The aircraft often flew three to four flights weekly and several times flew more than once a day.

Another Tacit Blue test pilot, Ken Dyson, told CNN in 2014 that Northrop had manufactured additional major components for the jet, which amounted to half of a second plane. "If we lost one, we could have a second one up and flying in short order," Dyson said.

After reaching about 250 flight hours, the aircraft was placed in storage in 1985. In 1996, after Tacit Blue was declassified, it was placed on display at the National Museum of the United States Air Force at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, near Dayton, Ohio and has been on display in the fourth hangar at the museum since June 2016.

Specifications
Data from the National Museum of the United States Air Force and the [https://www.defense.gov/Multimedia/Photos/igphoto/2001236821/#:~:text=Tacit%20Blue%20featured%20a%20straight,feet%20and%20weighed%2030%2C000%20pounds. Department of Defense]

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Renato Russo

Renato Russo (born Renato Manfredini, Jr., March 27, 1960 – October 11, 1996) was a Brazilian rock musician. He was the lead singer of the Brazilian pop rock band Legião Urbana. A Brazilian film depicting his life and career was released in 2013, called Somos Tão Jovens (We Are So Young).

Childhood
Renato Manfredini Jr. was born in Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro. He started his studies at an early age, at Colégio Olavo Billac. During this period he wrote an essay titled "Old house, in ruins". His father was an executive at Banco do Brasil, and the family moved to Forest Hills, Queens, New York in 1967, when he was assigned a job in the city. Renato and his family returned later to Rio de Janeiro and moved in with his uncle Sávio. At 18 years old, he came out as bisexual to his mother, and in 1988 he made it public by writing the song "Meninos e Meninas" ("Boys n' Girls") with the chorus stating, in English, "I like St. Paul, I like St. John, I like St. Francis and St. Sebastian, and I like boys and girls."

Adolescence
In 1973, his family moved from Rio de Janeiro to Brasília, Distrito Federal, moving to the "Asa Sul" sector. In 1975, aged 15, Renato went through one of the hardest phases of his life when he was diagnosed as suffering from epiphysiolysis, a bone disease. He underwent surgery and had three platinum pins implanted in his pelvis. He suffered greatly throughout his convalescence, being confined to bed for 6 months, almost immobile. While he was under treatment, he did little more than listening to music, collecting an extensive and varied album collection. In an interview, Renato stated that this period was crucial in shaping his musical ear.

Musical career
During the years of 1978 and 1979, he was the bass player of punk rock band Aborto Elétrico (Electric Abortion) which lasted 4 years, from 1978 to 1982, but broke up due to constant arguing between Fê Lemos, the drummer, and Renato. Although the band did not last long, during this period Renato Russo wrote many songs that would later become hits of Capital Inicial (founded by the remaining members of Aborto Elétrico) and Legião Urbana (founded by Renato Russo).

After the end of Aborto Elétrico, Renato began a solo career as the "Trovador Solitário" (Lonely Minstrel). This period only lasted a few months, as in 1982, he joined Marcelo Bonfá (the drummer of the band Dado e o Reino Animal), Eduardo Paraná (guitar player, known as Kadu Lambach) and Paulo Guimarães (keyboard player, known as Paulo Paulista) to form Legião Urbana. Renato was the lead vocal and bass player. Their main influences were the post punk bands of the time, especially Robert Smith from The Cure and Morrissey from The Smiths.

After the first few concerts, Eduardo Paraná and Paulo Paulista left the band. Dado Villa-Lobos then took over the guitars, creating the classic line-up of the band. The band also had Renato Rocha as a bass player from 1984 to 1989.

Leading Legião Urbana, Renato Russo reached the peak of his career as a musician, being recognized as the most important songwriter of Brazilian rock, securing a cult status within his fanbase.

He used to write long songs. The Dylan-esque "Faroeste Caboclo", for instance, lasts 9:05, "Clarisse" is 10:33 long and "Metal Contra as Nuvens" is 11:29 minutes. The song "Fátima" was written in ten minutes. He recorded two solo albums, with both English and Italian songs, in the 1990s.

Personal life
During his career he had four books published and, after his death, another four books were released about him, one of them being "Conversações com Renato Russo", which contains excerpts from interviews showing his point of view on rock, bisexuality (including his own), the world, drugs and politics. He later told Folha de S. Paulo, in a 1980s interview, that he was pansexual, saying, "I am part of a minority...in this country. I consider myself pansexual".

Illness and death
Renato Russo was diagnosed HIV-positive in 1989, although he did not talk about it publicly. He suffered greatly with the side effects of the antiviral medicines he had to take: "When I take the cocktail, it's like I'm eating a dog alive. And the dog eats me from the inside". During a recording session in February 1996, he confided to friend and fellow singer Paulo Ricardo that he had stopped taking the medicines.

He died on October 11, 1996, at 1:15 a.m., weighing only 45 kilograms (99.2 pounds), due to complications caused by AIDS. He left a son, Giuliano Manfredini, at the time 7 years old. His body was cremated and the ashes were spread at the Parque Burle Marx in São Paulo – coincidentally, Legião Urbana's ex-bassist Renato Rocha was hanging out with his girlfriend at the moment of the ashes' spreading and he got a flat tire right in front of the park.

On October 22, 1996, eleven days after his death, Dado and Bonfá announced the end of Legião Urbana. The band's estimated sales in Brazil during Renato's life amounted to roughly 25 million albums. More than a decade after his death, sales of his albums are still considerable.

Studio albums

 * The Stonewall Celebration Concert (1994)
 * Equilíbrio Distante (1995)
 * O Último Solo (1997)
 * Presente (2003)

Compilation albums

 * Série Bis: Renato Russo - Duplo (2000)
 * Série Para Sempre: Renato Russo (2001)
 * Série Identidade: Renato Russo (2002)
 * O Talento de Renato Russo (2004)
 * Renato Russo - Uma Celebração (2006)
 * O Trovador Solitário (2008)
 * Renato Russo: Duetos (2010)
 * Sinfônico (2013)
 * Somos Tão Jovens (movie soundtrack, 2013)

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Fireball Roberts

Edward Glenn "Fireball" Roberts Jr. (January 20, 1929 – July 2, 1964) was an American stock car racer.

Background
Roberts was born in Tavares, Florida, and raised in Apopka, Florida, where he was interested in both auto racing and baseball. He was a pitcher for the Zellwood Mud Hens, an American Legion baseball team, where he earned the nickname, "Fireball" because of his fastball. He enlisted with the United States Army Air Corps in 1945, but was discharged after basic training because of his asthma.

Racing career

He attended the University of Florida and raced on dirt tracks on weekends. In 1947, at the age of 18, he raced on the Daytona Beach Road Course at Daytona, for the first time. He won a 150-mile race at Daytona Beach the following year. Roberts also competed in local stock and modified races at Florida tracks such as Seminole Speedway.

"Fireball" Roberts continued to amass victories on the circuit, despite the changes in NASCAR, as it moved away from shorter dirt tracks to superspeedways in the 1950s and 1960s. In his 206 career NASCAR Grand National races, he won 33 times and had 32 poles. He finished in the top-five 45 percent of the time, and in the top-ten 59 percent of the time. He won both the Daytona 500 and Firecracker 250 events in 1962, driving a black and gold 1962 Pontiac built by car builder legend, Smokey Yunick. He also designed Augusta International Raceway, where he would last win.

Between 1962 and 1964, Roberts competed in multiple major sports car races, including a class win at the 1962 24 Hours of Le Mans driving a Ferrari 250 GTO entered by North American Racing Team.

Labor union
In 1961, Roberts, temporary president of the Federation of Professional Athletes, was in dispute with NASCAR president, Bill France, over the Teamsters' Union affiliate – the FPA – which he and Curtis Turner had helped organize and which France was trying to disband. Unlike the banned Curtis Turner and Tim Flock, Roberts soon returned to the NASCAR fold.

Death
On May 24, 1964, at the World 600 in Charlotte, Roberts had qualified in the eleventh position and started in the middle of the pack. On lap seven, Ned Jarrett and Junior Johnson collided and spun out and Roberts crashed trying to avoid them. Roberts' Ford slammed backward into the inside retaining wall, flipped over, and burst into flames. Witnesses at the track claimed they heard Roberts screaming, "Ned, help me", from inside his burning car after the wreck. Jarrett rushed to save Roberts as his car was engulfed by the flames. Roberts suffered second-and third-degree burns over 80 percent of his body and was airlifted to a hospital in critical condition. Although it was thought that Roberts had an allergic reaction to flame-retardant chemicals, he was secretly an asthmatic, and the chemicals affected his breathing.

Roberts was able to survive for several weeks, and it appeared he might pull through, but he took a turn for the worse on June 30, 1964. He contracted pneumonia and sepsis and had slipped into a coma by the next day. Roberts died from his burns on July 2, 1964.

Roberts' death, as well as the deaths of Eddie Sachs and Dave MacDonald at the Indianapolis 500, six days after Roberts' crash, led to an increase in research on fire-retardant uniforms. It also led to the development of the Firestone RaceSafe fuel cell. Modern race cars use a foam-filled fuel cell to prevent fuel spillage of the magnitude of Roberts car. Also, fully fire-retardant coveralls would be phased in, leading to mandatory Nomex racing suits. Roberts had lost his close friend, Joe Weatherly, in January 1964 at the Motor Trend 500, at Riverside, California.

Many sources reported that Roberts was planning to retire since he had taken a public relations position at the Falstaff Brewing Company and that the race in which he was killed was to be one of the final races of his career.

Legacy
Despite having his career cut short and having never won a Grand National title, Roberts was named one of NASCAR's 50 Greatest Drivers. Other career accolades he won include induction into the International Motorsports Hall of Fame in 1990, and the Motorsports Hall of Fame of America in 1995. In 2000, the city of Concord, North Carolina, named a street near Charlotte Motor Speedway in his honor.

After Roberts' death, NASCAR mandated that all drivers wear flame retardant coveralls while on track. They also instituted the five-point safety harness, and the special, contoured driver's seat, as requirements for all NASCAR vehicles.

The "Fireball Run", named for Roberts, was started in 2007. This streaming TV "adventurally" series, headquartered at Universal Studios in Florida, covers 40 teams as they compete in an 8-day, 2000 mile race and life-sized trivia game to raise money for missing and exploited children organizations. The Fireball Run is credited with assisting in the recovery of 38 missing children.

In 2013 Roberts was nominated for induction in the NASCAR Hall of Fame in Charlotte, North Carolina, and he was included in the 2014 induction ceremony.

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Glenn Roberts

Glenn Noble Roberts (born 26 June 1988) is a retired Norwegian footballer of Gambian descent. In April 2008, he spent time on loan to Nybergsund together with then-teammate Amin Nouri. Roberts was transferred to Aalesunds FK in August 2008.

Personal life
He was born in Oslo to a father from Gambia and a mother from Ålesund.

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Gungahlin

Gungahlin is a district in the Australian Capital Territory, one of fastest growing regions in Australia. The district is subdivided into suburbs, sections and blocks. Gungahlin is an Aboriginal word meaning either "white man's house" or "little rocky hill".

Gungahlin comprised sixteen suburbs, including several under construction and a further suburb planned. The town of Gungahlin was part of the original 1957 plan for development in the ACT and in 1991 was officially launched as the fourth 'town' by the ACT Chief Minister. At the time, the population of Gungahlin was just 389 residents. At the, the population of the district was 87,682.

Within the district is the northernmost town centre of the ACT, situated 10 km north of Canberra City ("Civic" in the local parlance); one of five satellite cities of the ACT, with Woden, Tuggeranong, Weston Creek and Belconnen.

Establishment and governance
The traditional custodians of the district are the indigenous people of the Ngunnawal tribe.

Following the transfer of land from the Government of New South Wales to the Commonwealth Government in 1911, the district was established in 1966 by the Commonwealth via the gazettal of the Districts Ordinance 1966 (Cth) which, after the enactment of the Australian Capital Territory (Self-Government) Act 1988, became the Districts Act 1966. This Act was subsequently repealed by the ACT Government and the district is now administered subject to the Districts Act 2002.

During colonial times and up until the late 1960s, present-day Gungahlin was part of the former farmlands of Ginninderra. Ginninderra Village and later still the village of serviced the needs of the local farming community. Free settlers included farming families such as the Rolfe, Shumack, Gillespie and Gribble families. These settlers established wheat and sheep properties such as 'Weetangara', 'Gold Creek', 'The Valley', 'Horse Park' and 'Tea Gardens'. Much of the local produce supplied the large workforce at goldfields at Braidwood and Major's Creek in New South Wales.

Location and urban structure
Gungahlin is the first district encountered when travelling to Canberra from Melbourne or Sydney via the Barton Highway.

The district is a set of contiguous residential and industrial suburbs that surround a town centre, together with undeveloped pastoral leases that border with the state of New South Wales to the north, north-east and east. The main industrial suburb of the district is.

The district is separated by open country from the adjacent districts of Belconnen to the west and south-west, Canberra Central to the south, Majura to the south-east, and the town of Hall to the north-west.

Demographics
At the, there were 87,682 people in the Gungahlin district, of these 49.8 percent were male and 50.2 percent were female. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people made up 1.6 percent of the population, which was lower than the national and territory averages. The median age of people in the Gungahlin district was 32 years, which was significantly lower than the national median of 38 years. Children aged 0 – 14 years made up 23.0 percent of the population and people aged 65 years and over made up 7.2 percent of the population. Of people in the area aged 15 years and over, 54.0 percent were married and 8.9 percent were either divorced or separated.

Population growth in the Gungahlin district was 35.6 percent between the 2001 census and the 2006 census, another 50.0 percent to 2011, 50.4 percent to 2016 and another 23.2 percent to 2021. Population growth in Gungahlin district was significantly higher than the national population growth for the same periods, which amounted to 5.8%, 8.3%, 8.8% and 8.6% respectively. The median weekly income for residents within the Gungahlin district in 2021 was 48.6 percent above the national average, but slightly lower than the territory average.

In 2021, compared to the national average, households in the Gungahlin district had a significantly higher than average proportion (41.3 percent) where a non-English language was used (national average was 24.8 percent); and a significantly lower proportion (58.0 per cent) where English only was spoken at home (national average was 72.0 percent).

List of suburbs

 * Amaroo
 * Bonner
 * Casey
 * Crace
 * Forde

 * Franklin
 * Gungahlin
 * Harrison
 * Jacka

 * Kenny *
 * Mitchell
 * Moncrieff

 * Ngunnawal
 * Nicholls
 * Palmerston
 * Taylor
 * Throsby

Asterisk indicates undeveloped suburbs as of 2022.

Transport
The primary mode of transport within the district is the private car. Despite continued discussion about the need for sustainable public transport, especially light rail, Gungahlin's development is still based on a reliance on private personal transport and an extensive road network.

Bus
The ACTION bus service provides public transport throughout Canberra. Services from the suburbs and other town centres connect with the interchange at Gungahlin Place in the town centre. Nearby is the terminus for the light rail service which runs direct to Civic.

Light rail
A light rail network linking the Gungahlin Town Centre to Civic opened in April 2019. It was intended to lessen peak-hour congestion on Northbourne Avenue by encouraging public transport use. The terminus is located on Hibberson Street near the bus interchange.

Private transport
Private transport is the dominant mode of transport for Gungahlin residents. The major arterial roads to North Canberra and the city centre are Northbourne Avenue via the Barton Highway, Horse Park Drive and Flemington Road. Gundaroo Drive is the main connection to the district of Belconnen. With the completion of the Gungahlin Drive Extension in 2008, Gungahlin motorists can bypass the city centre to reach city's southern suburbs via Gungahlin Drive and onto William Hovell Drive and the Tuggeranong Parkway.

A number of projects have improved road access to the Gungahlin district, including:
 * Duplication of the remaining single lane sections of the Gungahlin Drive Extension (completed 2011).
 * Clarrie Hermes Drive extension to the Barton Highway (completed May 2012).
 * Flemington Road was upgraded to a dual carriage way between Gungahlin Town Centre and Well Station Drive in 2010. As part of the light rail construction project, the remaining section from Well Station Drive to the Federal Highway was also duplicated, completed in 2019.

Public facilities
While the Gungahlin district is serviced by Calvary Hospital and The Canberra Hospital for emergency treatment, a number of private medical practices have established in the town centre and surrounding suburbs. The ACT Government Health Directorate also operates a Community Health Centre, providing access to allied health and outpatient services including mental health services, children's dental and nutrition, diabetes clinic, pathology collection and drug and alcohol counseling services. The clinic opened on 3 September 2012.

The Australian Capital Territory Emergency Services Agency operates the Gungahlin Joint Emergency Services Centre which provides the Gungahlin district with a local operations centre for Ambulance and Police as well as ACT Fire and Rescue and the Rural Fire Service.

Community and sports organisations
The Gungahlin Community Council is the peak community representative organisation for the district.

Gungahlin local sport teams include the Gungahlin Eagles (rugby union), the Gungahlin Bulls (rugby league), Gungahlin United (association football) and the Gungahlin Jets (Australian rules football). All four clubs play matches at Gungahlin Enclosed Oval. Gungahlin is also represented in the ACT Cricket Association by the North Canberra Gungahlin Cricket Club.

Schools

 * John Paul College
 * Gold Creek School
 * Holy Spirit Primary School
 * Good Shepherd Primary School
 * Palmerston Primary School
 * Amaroo School
 * Burgmann Anglican School
 * Ngunnawal Primary School
 * Harrison School
 * Gungahlin College
 * Mother Teresa School

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Henninger Turm

Henninger Turm (Henninger Tower) was a grain storage silo located in the Sachsenhausen-Süd district of Frankfurt, Germany. It was built by Henninger Brewery (now part of the Binding Brewery/Radeberger Group) and had a storage capacity of 16,000 tons of barley. The 120 m, 33-storey, reinforced concrete tower was designed by Karl Lieser and was built from 1959 to 1961. It was inaugurated on 18 May 1961. It was demolished in 2013. Until 1974 it was the tallest building in Frankfurt; and it remained the tallest storage silo in the world until its demolition.

On top of the building was a barrel-like pod which contained a viewing platform and a revolving restaurant (originally two). In October 2002, the tower was closed to the public. From 1961 to 2008, the annual professional cycling race Rund um den Henninger-Turm was held on 1 May, the course circling the tower multiple times.

Neuer Henninger Turm
In November 2012, it was announced that Henninger Turm would be demolished because it was too costly and uneconomic for renovation. Demolition began in January 2013 and was completed by the end of the year. On its site a new 140 m tall residential tower was built. Being inspired by the former Henninger Turm, the design was conceived by the architects Meixner Schlüter Wendt. Whereas both the contours and the side facing the city are strongly reminiscent of the original appearance of the old silo, the three other sides clearly indicate the new building's function as a residential tower. It contains 209 luxury apartments. The cornerstone for this project was laid in June 2014 and the tower was completed in summer 2017.

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Talk:West Maui Mountains

See Talk:West Maui Mountain for discussion about singular vs. plural name form. -- hike395 05:33, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It's a stub
Looks to me to be a stub: just has some bare minimal information. hike395 16:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Hawaiian name
I reverted to the previous version for now because it's in common usage, and because "Maui Komohana" simply means "West Maui", which seems to be unlikely as a real Hawaiian name. But it doesn't look like there are any original references for "Mauna Kahalawai" either; it also doesn't seem to mean anything. "Mauna Kahalewai" would make more sense, but with fewer hits in general and also none in the newspapers (except for proper names), it may well be a retroactive "correction" of Kahalawai by people who figured the latter was a misspelling. KarlM (talk) 05:02, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

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