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Could you please at least put your reasoning in the Talk page before you expunge the npov tag? I am fairly certain that the "neoconservative" tag is a smear, but I'd like to have evidence so that I don't have to worry about the admins swooping in and declaring the page off bounds due to an edit war. Just saying that the magazine doesn't match the "neoconservative" definition doesn't help either. What is the definition of "neoconservative" given by Wikipedia (keep in mind that this can change over time because this is Wikipedia)? One of my objections, if I had time to make them (which I haven't), is that "neoconservative" is a fairly ill-defined term, often used as a perjorative. (Honestly, the term "neoconservative" itself makes the article less neutral.) — DLJessup 14:58, 2004 Dec 12 (UTC)

Thank you! — DLJessup 14:36, 2004 Dec 13 (UTC)

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Nakula

Nakula (नकुल) was the fourth of the five Pandava brothers in the ancient Indian epic, the Mahabharata. He and his twin brother Sahadeva were the sons of Kunti, wife of the Pandava patriarch Pandu, and Ashvini Kumaras, the divine twin physicians of the gods, whom she invoked to beget her sons due to Pandu's inability to progenate. Nakula is described as the most handsome man of his lineage, and was renowned for his beauty, skill in swordsmanship and horse keeping.

He shared the common wife, Draupadi, with his four brothers. He was also married to Karenumati of Chedi Kingdom. He had two sons Shatanika and Niramitra from his two wives respectively. During the Rajasuya of his eldest brother Yudhishthira, he conquered the kings of the Sivis, the Rohitakas and other dynasties. After Yudhishthira lost all his possessions to his cousin Duryodhana in a dice game, the Pandavas and Draupadi were exiled for thirteen years. During the Pandavas' year of incognito exile, he disguised as a horse trainer named Granthika, and worked in the kingdom of Virata. Nakula was a skilled warrior who fought in the Kurukshetra War between the Pandavas and their cousins Kauravas. After the war, Yudhishthira appointed Nakula as the king of northern Madra. At the end of the epic, during the Pandavas' journey to the Himalayas to enter heaven, Nakula was the third to fall, following Draupadi and Sahadeva, due to his excessive pride in his beauty.

Etymology and other names
In Sanskrit, the word nakula means "mongoose" or "mongoose-colored."

Nakula and his brother Sahadeva are both also referred to in the epic as Āśvineya, Aśvinīsuta and Aśvisuta because they are the sons of the Ashvins and as Mādravatīputra, Mādravatīsuta, Mādreya, Mādrinandana, Mādrinandanaka, Mādrīputra, Mādrīsuta, Mādrītanūja because they are the sons of Mādrī.

Birth and early years
Due to Pandu's inability to bear children (because of the curse of Rishi Kindama), Kunti had to use the boon given by Sage Durvasa to give birth to her three children. She shared the boon with Pandu's second wife, Madri, who invoked the Ashvini Kumaras to beget Nakula and Sahadeva, as twins. Madri committed self immolation, called Sati when her husband died  and entrusted her children's care to Kunti. Despite different divine paternal parentage these five children, first three of Kunti – Yudhisthira, Bhima and Arjuna- and latter two of Madri – Nakula and Sahadeva, were called Pandavas, or sons of Pandu. Nakula was known to be the most handsome person in the Kuru lineage.

In his childhood, Nakula mastered his skills in fencing and knife throwing under his father Pandu and a hermit named Suka at the Satasringa ashram. Later, Pandu lost his life when he attempted to make love with his wife, Madri. She committed suicide. Thus, Nakula along with his brothers moved to Hastinapura where he was brought up by Kunti. Kunti loved him as much as her own sons.

Nakula greatly improved his archery and swordplay skills under the tutelage of Drona. Nakula turned out to be an accomplished wielder of the sword. Along with the other Pandava brothers, Nakula was trained in religion, science, administration, and military arts by the Kuru preceptors Kripacharya and Dronacharya. He was particularly skilled at horse-riding.

Skills

 * Horse-keeping: Nakula's deep understanding of horse breeding and training is documented in the Mahabharata after the death of Narakasura by Krishna. In a conversation with Virata, Nakula claimed to know the art of treating all illnesses of horses. He was also a highly skilled charioteer.
 * Ayurveda: Being a son of the physicians, Ashvini Kumaras, Nakula was also believed to be an expert in Ayurveda.
 * Swordsman: Nakula was a brilliant swordsman and he showed his skills of a sword while killing the sons of Karna on the 18th day of Kurukshetra war.

Marriage and Children
When the Pandavas and their mother, Kunti were in hiding after the event of Lakshagriha, Arjuna won Draupadi's hand in marriage. Nakula married her along with his brothers and had a son, Shatanika who was killed by Ashwatthama in the Kurukshetra War.

He also married Karenumati, the daughter of Shishupala, who bore him one son, Niramitra.

Rajasuya conquests
Nakula was sent west by Yudhisthira to subjugate kingdoms for the Rajasuya sacrifice, after crowning as the Emperor of Indraprastha. Nakula set forth to the kingdom once dominated by Vasudeva with a huge army. He first attacked the prosperous mountainous country of Rohitaka. He defeated the Mattamyurakas of the land in a fierce encounter. In another battle with the sage Akrosha, Nakula subjugated the regions of Sairishaka and Mahetta. He also defeated many tribes and small dynasties, including the Dasarnas, the Sivis, the Trigartas, the Amvashtas, the Malavas, the five tribes of the Karnatas, the Madhyamakeyas, the Vattadhanas and the Utsava-sanketas.

Exile
Yudhishthira's loss in the game of dice meant that all Pandavas had to live in exile for 13 years. Once in exile, Jatasura, disguised as a Brahmin, kidnapped Nakula along with Draupadi, Sahadeva and Yudhishthira. Bhima rescued them eventually and in the fight that ensued, Nakula killed Kshemankara, Mahamaha, and Suratha. In the 13th year, Nakula disguised himself as an ostler and assumed the name of Granthika (between themselves, the Pandavas called him Jayasena) at the Kingdom of Virata. He worked as a horse-trainer who looked after horses in the royal stable.

Role in the Kurukshetra War

Nakula desired Drupada to be the general of the Pandava army, but Yudhishthira and Arjuna opted for Dhristadyumna.

As a warrior, Nakula slew prominent war-heroes on the enemy side. The flag of Nakula's chariot bore the image of a red deer with a golden back. His conch, which was blown among others at the start of the war, was named Sughosha. Nakula was the leader of one of the seven Akshahuni.

On the 1st day of the war, Nakula defeated Dussasana, sparing his life so that Bhima could fulfill his oath.

On the 11th day, Nakula defeated Shalya, destroying his chariot.

On the 13th day, his advance into Dronacharya's formation was repulsed by Jayadratha.

On the night of the 14th day, he vanquished Shakuni.

On the 15th day, he was defeated by Duryodhana in a one-on-one duel.

On the 16th day, he was defeated and spared by Karna. On the 18th day, he killed Karna's sons Chitrasena, Satyasena and Sushena.

Later life and death
After the war, Yudhishthira appointed Nakula as the King of Northern Madra and Sahadeva as King of southern Madra.

Upon the onset of Kali Yuga and the departure of Krishna, the Pandavas retired. Giving up all their belongings and ties, the Pandavas and Draupadi, along with a dog, made their final journey of pilgrimage to the Himalayas.

Except Yudhishthira, all of the Pandavas grew weak and died before reaching heaven. Nakula was the third one to fall after Draupadi and Sahadeva. When Bhima asked Yudhishthira why Nakula fell, Yudhishthira replied that Nakula took pride in his beauty and believed that there was nobody equal to him in looks.

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Potomac State College of West Virginia University

Potomac State College is a public college in Keyser, West Virginia. It is part of the West Virginia University system. Potomac State College is located approximately 90 miles (140 km) east of West Virginia University's campus in Morgantown, West Virginia.

The college, with an enrollment of 1,193 in fall 2020, offers associate of arts, associate of applied science, and Bachelor of Applied Science degrees along with the Regents bachelor's degree. In 2018, Potomac State College began offering West Virginia University’s Bachelor of Science in Nursing program on the Keyser campus with the first cohort of students graduating in spring 2021.

In addition to academic buildings, the campus includes two residence halls, a conference center, a performing arts center, a recreation center, a gymnasium and athletic fields. The college owns three farms totaling 800 plus acres, supporting the only agricultural program in the region.

History

At the urging of Mineral County member of the West Virginia House of Delegates, Francis M. Reynolds, Potomac State College was created in 1901 as the Keyser Preparatory Branch of West Virginia University, by an act of the West Virginia Legislature.

After receiving an appropriation of $20,000 from the legislature for the construction of buildings, Colonel Thomas Beall Davis, a local businessman, donated 16 acres of land as a site for the new school. That location, formerly Fort Fuller (also known as Fort Kelly), was a critical fortress in maintaining open roads leading to the South Branch Potomac and Shenandoah Valleys and in retaining Union control of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad (B&O) during the American Civil War.

Once construction was completed on the multi-purpose building that would house offices, classrooms, a library, recitation halls and a gymnasium, the College opened its doors to 80 students in Fall 1902 as the West Virginia Preparatory School. Lloyd F. Friend was appointed principal and teacher and was joined by four other teachers.

In spring 1917, fire broke out in the multi-purpose building destroying most of the structure. Operations were moved to Davis Hall, named in honor of Thomas B. Davis, which was completed in 1916.

With appropriations from the WV Legislature, a new Administration Building was completed in 1919. That same year, the college purchased 129 acres of land adjacent to its property for its agriculture program.

After decades as a regional campus of West Virginia University, Potomac State College became an integrated division of the university on July 1, 2005. Many non-academic services at Potomac State have now come under the control of its main campus.

Campus buildings

Reynolds Hall, completed in 1925, is named after WV Senator E. B. Reynolds, the son of Francis M. Reynolds. In addition to securing funds for a women’s residence hall and gymnasium, E. B. Reynolds was also instrumental in Potomac State becoming part of West Virginia University. Reylonds Hall was a residence hall all until 2023, the building then was converted into offices.

Lough Gymnasium was completed in 1928 in honor of Coach Dana G. Lough. At the request of Joseph W. Stayman, who served as principal from 1912 to 1936, the WV Legislature renamed the institution the Potomac State School of West Virginia in 1935.

Marry F. Shipper Library was constructed in 1961. On October 16, 1976, the library was dedicated to Mary Fravel Shipper, long-time Library Director (1937-1973). It’s the third library to exist in the colleges history. The first was in 1901 and was located in the Administration Building which burnt down in April 1917. A new Administration Building was completed in 1919 with the library being located on the first floor. The library was then moved to its current building in 1961.

Science Hall, completed in 1951, houses laboratories and classrooms for the sciences. By an act of the WV Legislature, the school was renamed Potomac State College in 1953. Memorial Hall, a residence hall completed in 1957, was named in memory of the 41 former Potomac State students who lost their lives during World War II.

Friend Hall, a residence hall completed in 1962, was named in honor of Lloyd L. Friend who served as the first principal of the West Virginia Preparatory School. Academy Hall, which houses classrooms and offices, was completed in 1968. It was so named to recognize the college's academic heritage.

Golden Park, the college’s baseball field, was completed in 2002 and was named after the Golden Family, whose son, Bryan, was a catcher on the Catamount's baseball team. University Place, completed in 2007, houses students, offices, two dining facilities, study/social lounges, and a movie theater. The Indoor Riding Arena, sometimes referred to as the Equine Facility was completed in 2008. The facility houses the College’s American Quarter Horse herd and is used as a classroom and for equine and livestock competitions.

Catamount Place, which previously served as Potomac Valley Hospital, was totally renovated to become a residence hall, opening its doors to students in January 2013 and closing its doors in 2023.

The Recreation Center, located in the J. Edward Kelley Complex(named for Keyser, WV, native and Medal of Honor recipient J. Edward Kelley) It was formerly used as the National Guard Armory until its closer in 2015. The J. Edward Kelley Complex opened its doors in January 2017.

Davis Conference Center a historic building on campus that once contained the college cafeteria many years ago serves as a conference center for the college and the local communities. The conference center was renovated in 2023. Church-McKee Arts Center contains a large auditorium and classrooms.

Starcher Agriculture Complex, named after former professor Don Starcher. Starcher worked at the college for 24 plus years. The complex includes the Ag Tech building, greenhouse, and a high tunnel.

College farms
The college has three farms totaling more than 800 acres.

Gustafson Farm sometimes referred to as the Upper Farm is named after former Professor Oscar Gustafson who worked at Potomac State from 1956 until his retirement in 1988. The farm is 368 acres, and serves as a mixed-use production farm and teaching lab. The farm houses the college’s goat operation. In 2023 the college had swine on the farm.

Malone Farm, named after former Agriculture professor Kenneth M. Malone. The farm houses the college’s cattle operation.

Dermer Farm, named after the Dermer Family who once owned the farm. The farm is used for hay and field corn production.

Academics
Serving residential and commuter students, the college offers 62 degrees and is accredited as part of West Virginia University by the Higher Learning Commission.

Athletics
Potomac State College hosts 10 varsity teams that compete in the National Junior College Athletic Association (NJCAA) and in the NJCAA Region XX, including: baseball, softball, men’s and women’s basketball, esports (co-ed), men’s and women’s soccer, women’s volleyball, and men’s and women’s cross country.

The baseball team competes on the NJCAA Division I level while the remainder of the programs compete on the NJCAA Division II level. Esports is not sanctioned under NJCAA at this time.

Their mascot is the Catamount, named for the mountain lions that once roamed the surrounding area.

Esports made its debut at the college in 2019, competing in League of Legends, Rocket League, Call of Duty, Madden, Rainbow 6 Siege and Apex Legends. The Catamount Esports program has earned various championships in the variety of collegiate leagues they participate in.

Highlights

 * Baseball has competed in seven NJCAA World Series: 1993, 1994, 1995, 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2011; winning the National Championship at the 1995 JUCO World Series. Former Major League Baseball pitcher Dave Roberts was assistant baseball coach at Potomac State in the 1990s.
 * Women’s softball has played in four NJCAA World Series: 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2022, and 2023.
 * Men’s basketball reached No. 1 National ranking during the 2018-2019 season. They competed in the 16-team NJCAA Division II National Championship Tournament in 2014 as well.
 * Women’s basketball made trips to the National Championship Tournament in 2000 and 2007.
 * Women’s Volleyball played in the National Championship Tournaments in 2016, 2017 and 2021.
 * Women's Cross Country made team national championship appearances in 2022 and 2023.

Student life
The Office of Student Experience provides a wide range of activities, clubs, events and educational opportunities outside of the classroom. The college's setting in the Potomac Highlands of West Virginia offers nearby opportunities to hike, kayak, whitewater raft, fish, snow ski and snowboard.

Notable alumni

 * Ruth Ann Davis — American educator, academic, and PSC professor
 * Henry Louis Gates, Jr. — professor and director of the Hutchins Center for African & African American Research at Harvard University
 * Gene Guarilia — professional basketball player
 * Jonah Edward Kelley — Medal of Honor and Purple Heart recipient
 * John Kruk — professional baseball player and sports analyst


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chung Ling High School

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. --Andylkl [ talk! 18:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Chung Ling High School
Was listed on copyright problems: notability is questionable. [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk, automation script)]] 03:48, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality/talk]] 03:53, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: The article as much as says "just a school." No notability established or proferred. Geogre 14:39, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. "just a school" Zenyu 16:50, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. Indrian 04:59, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've improved the article and added an info box. Fyi, the school is very notable (and one of the best) in the state and it deserves to be kept. I don't know the details about the school, but that's the most I could do. To those who voted for delete, please reconsider your votes. Thanks. --Andylkl 20:24, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. There are many great schools in the world that remain un-notable.  Tempshill 22:51, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep.--JuntungWu 02:29, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notability is not questionable. It clearly states that it is a school.Dr Zen 02:50, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep Just a school. Notability established  The Steve  06:05, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, much improved since it was listed. - SimonP 06:14, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * keep Yuckfoo 07:10, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep this improved version. —[[en:RaD Man|RaD Man (talk)]] 09:05, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, schools are inherently notable and there is nothing wrong with this wonderfully put together article (as it exists at the time of this writing). [[User:GRider|GRider\talk]] 21:01, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep now. Samaritan 03:12, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable—Trevor Caira 17:59, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Much more info now Stkhoo 11:07, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. -- R yan!  |  Talk  17:02, Dec 30, 2004 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. This is our school and there it shall remain. This article also complies to a high standard of writing. Arrogant U.S. people, please leave articles like this alone, do not think you can delete one of these just because you know nothing about them. That denies the right of others. -- Teoh Han Hui 17:32, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The above comment was edited by 60.50.30.242 (talk). --Andylkl [ talk! 18:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Talk:Hebron Yeshiva

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I live in Kaunas/Kovno and am especilly interested in everything about Slobodka Yeshiva: rebbais, teachings, history etc. --Fivetrees 03:48, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Hey Fivetrees, could you identify the Lithuanian names of some towns commonly referred to by their Yiddish or Russian names when pertaining to the yeshivoth? I've managed to identify Telsiai for Telz, but there must be many more. JFW | T@lk  11:43, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Names of towns

Shalom! Of course! No problem! Send me a list o names to fivetrees@yahoo.com or place here--Fivetrees 13:22, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"Mother of Yeshivas"
According to the hebrew wikipedia, ישיבת וולוז'ין, Volozhin was the "mother". which one was it, Slabodka or Volozhin? Ayinyud 15:07, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Alumni
How do we confirm that red link alumni are real people?Nerguy (talk) 18:05, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Slabodka or Hevron?
Why is the title of the wiki page still called slabodka yeshiva? I learn in hevron right now and there is no one that still refers to it as slabodka. Yes, they may have originally have come from slabodka, but that name didn't stick like the way hevron did even after moving out. Power2People (talk) 04:18, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This article has been renamed "Hebron Yeshiva" and a seperate article has been created for Yeshivas Knesses Yisrael (Slabodka). -- -- --  21:06, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

location
the current location is at, but I can't seem to add it as it will overlay the current location.89.139.177.159 (talk) 19:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about the location of the yeshiva in Hebron or about the yeshiva in Slabodka? -- -- --  21:06, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * or Jerusalem? -- -- --  23:59, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

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Black Prince (tank)

Tank, Infantry, Black Prince (A43) is the name that was assigned to an experimental development of the Churchill tank with a larger, wider hull and a QF 17-pounder (76.2 mm) gun. It was named after Edward, the Black Prince, son of Edward III and heir to the English throne.

Development
As a development from the Churchill, the Black Prince was a continuation of the line of Infantry tanks, that is slower, heavier tanks intended to operate in close support of infantry. It also was able to work closely with other tanks. The parallel development in British tank design were the Cruiser tanks, which were intended for more mobile operations. A43 was the General Staff Specification number issued in 1943, for an interim tank that would eventually be superseded by a "Universal tank" that would replace both Infantry and Cruiser tanks.

The cruiser line led to the Cromwell and its 17 pounder-armed Challenger variant, eventually followed by the Comet equipped with the 77 mm gun firing similar ammunition to the 17 pounder. These tanks entered service during the war. While not as heavily protected as the Churchill, the Comet showed the way British tank development was going. This led to the last of the cruiser line and the first of the Universal tanks (now more widely known as main battle tanks), the very successful Centurion.

A larger gun than that carried by a conventional Churchill required a larger turret on a wider turret ring and consequently a widening of the tank hull. The Black Prince weighed around ten tons more than the Churchill so the suspension was modified and the tracks widened by 10 inches to carry the extra load. However, the Churchill's 350 hp engine was retained, leading to the tank being underpowered and slow, with maximum speeds 10.5 mph on roads and 7.5 mph cross country. This was so slow that the tank's tactical usefulness would have been limited. Consideration was given to the use of the Rolls-Royce Meteor engine; this would have increased the available power to 600 hp, but the idea never left the drawing–board. Likewise, plans to fit the Black Prince with the turret from the Centurion were never carried out.

By the time the Black Prince prototypes had appeared in May 1945, the 17-pounder armed Sherman Firefly had proved itself in combat, the Comet tank was in service and the introduction of Centurion was imminent. All these tanks carried the QF 17-pounder or an equivalent; all had better mobility than the Black Prince and the Centurion had frontal armour of comparable effectiveness. The Black Prince had become redundant and the project was abandoned.

The Black Prince marked the end of the development of the A22F Churchill Mk VII, and the end of the Infantry tank concept in British tank design.

Survivors
The only intact Black Prince is held by The Tank Museum in Bovington, UK; it is the fourth of the six prototypes that were built. It has recently been restored to running condition. A Black Prince hull was recovered from Salisbury Plain in the 1980s as part of the Tony Budge Collection, and is now held by the Rex and Rod Cadman Collection.

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No Limit (2 Unlimited song)

"No Limit" is a song recorded by Belgian/Dutch Eurodance group 2 Unlimited, released in January 1993 by Byte, ZYX and PWL. It was their fifth single in total and the first to be released from their second album, No Limits! (1993). Co-written by the group's Ray Slijngaard and Anita Dels, the song became one of their most commercially successful singles, especially in Europe, reaching the number-one spot in 35 countries and the top 10 in several others. Like previous releases, the UK version of the single removed all of the raps from Slijngaard, leaving just Dels' vocals. One word from the rap was kept, the word 'Techno' (from the line "I'm making techno and I am proud") which was looped and repeated during the middle of the song, turning the line into "Techno! Techno! Techno! Techno!" and giving the song an extra vocal hook. Its accompanying music video was directed by Nick Burgess-Jones and received heavy rotation on MTV Europe.

Composition
"No Limit" started as an idea to do a high-speed techno track. Producer Phil Wilde told Melody Maker in 1994, "Like most techno, 2 Unlimited's material floats somewhere between 125 and 148bpm; "No Limit" came in at 144." Wilde programmed the rhythm with hand claps every four beat. He had the groove and went searching in his sound library, starting jamming with sounds. He explained in the same interview, "For 'No Limits' we started jamming with sounds. Then I got the sound which we used for the main melody in that song...it's mostly a combination of sounds. It's so important to have a good sound, and not so easy to fine one. On 'No Limits', the sound came, then the melody. We already had the bass and the drums, and the sample for the lead sound in the end was just a sample. But I'm not going to tell you what it was."

Chart performance
"No Limit" peaked at number one in 35 countries. In Europe, it went to number-one in Austria (3 weeks), Flemish Belgium (6 weeks), Denmark (2 weeks), Finland (2 weeks), France (5), Ireland, the Netherlands (6 weeks), Norway (7 weeks), Portugal (1 week), Spain (3 weeks), Sweden (4 weeks), Switzerland (5 weeks), and the United Kingdom, as well as on the Eurochart Hot 100. In the UK, the single reached number-one in its third week on the UK Singles Chart, on 7 February 1993, after entering at number four and then climbing to number two. It stayed at the top of the chart for five consecutive weeks. Additionally, it also entered the top 10 in Germany (2), Greece (2), Iceland (4), and Italy (8). In Germany, the song was held off the top spot by Ace of Base's "All That She Wants", while in Greece, it peaked at number two, behind Depeche Mode's "I Feel You". "No Limit" debuted on the Eurochart Hot 100 at number 13 on 6 February after charting in Ireland, Sweden and the UK. It peaked at number one six weeks later, on 13 March, and stayed at the top for nine consecutive weeks. "No Limit" spent 9 weeks at number one on the Eurochart Hot 100 in March, April and May 1993.* Week 1:
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The song was awarded with a gold record in Australia (35,000), Austria (25,000), France (352,000) and Germany (500,000), a silver record in the UK (532,000), and a platinum record in the Netherlands (75,000) and Switzerland (50,000).

"No Limit 2.3" peaked number 41 in the German Top 100 Singles chart.

Critical reception
Larry Flick from Billboard wrote, "After several weeks at the top of Britain's pop charts, European rave duo is ready tackle the U.S. radio market with a bright ditty that melds techno, hi-NRG, and rap elements. The hook is irresistible, and the pace is heart-racing. Will please fans of last year's hit, "Twilight Zone", while reeling in newcomers." Tony Parsons from The Daily Telegraph declared it as a "high-speed anthem". Per Reinholdt from Danish Gaffa called it a "dance-powerhit", noting its "inciting up-tempo" and a rhythm and theme "with the same temper as a dressed beeswarm". He also named the song a "piece of pop art". In a Guinness World Records review, the sound of "No Limit" was compared to "the sound giant dinosaurs might make stomping on cities". A reviewer from Irish Independent described it as "a humungous global hit".

In his weekly UK chart commentary, James Masterton wrote, "Of all the techno-rave dance acts, 2 Unlimited are the most successful, notching up 5 hits in a row with all making the 20. "No Limit" being the latest and most frantic". The Stud Brothers of Melody Maker praised it as "magnificently kitsch". Alan Jones from Music Week viewed it as "obvious pop fare". James Hamilton from the Record Mirror Dance Update declared it as "madly catchy" and a "tuneful techno pop galloper". Johnny Lee from Smash Hits called it a "stormtrooper", adding that it has "a keyboard that sounds like it's being played by a robot with boxing gloves." Australian student newspaper Woroni complimented the song as "tremendously exciting and highly recommended", naming it an "obvious highlight" of the No Limits! album.

Impact and legacy
NME ranked "No Limit" number one in their list of "Top Five Euro-Hits of All Time" in December 1993. NME editor Paul Moody wrote, "The ultimate piece of pop existentialism as Anita and Ray suggest the whole world is one huge playground of hedonistic excess. All to a video set within a huge pinball machine. Sublime." The song was ranked number 65 in BuzzFeed's list of "The 101 Greatest Dance Songs of the '90s" in 2017. Stopera and Galindo said that "this is possibly the most aggressive beat from the '90s. It's like they're strumming a GIANT rubber band." Tom Ewing of Freaky Trigger felt the track's "echoey hi-hat hits and the union of steam-hammer bass and rubber-ball synths" carry the industrial, "piston-powered aggression" of Belgian rave music. He also noted the presence of a cowbell in the back of the track. In 2015, Graham Clark from The Yorkshire Times stated that "the track at the time sounded unlike anything else but you can hear how it has influenced so many of today's electronic dance music tracks".

Music video
The accompanying music video for "No Limit" was directed by Nick Burgess-Jones and filmed in London. It features group members Anita Dels and Ray Slijngaard performing inside what appears to be a giant pinball machine, wearing leather apparel. "No Limit" received heavy rotation on MTV Europe in March 1993. Burgess-Jones also directed the videos for 2 Unlimited's next two singles, "Tribal Dance" and "Faces".

Original version

 * CD single
 * 1) "No Limit" (Radio Edit No Rap) (3:08)
 * 2) "No Limit" (Radio Edit Rap) (3:30)

 * CD maxi
 * 1) "No Limit" (Radio Edit) (3:15)
 * 2) "No Limit" (Extended Mix) (5:40)
 * 3) "No Limit" (Automatic Remix) (4:54)
 * 4) "No Limit" (Rio and Le Jean Remix) (3:53)
 * 5) "No Limit" (Automatic Breakbeat Remix) (4:45)

 * CD maxi
 * 1) "No Limit" (Radio Edit No Rap) (3:08)
 * 2) "No Limit" (Extended No Rap) (5:44)
 * 3) "No Limit" (Extended Rap) (5:55)
 * 4) "No Limit" (Rio and Le Jean Version) (3:57)

 * 7" single
 * 1) "No Limit" (3:15)
 * 2) "No Limit" (Rio and Le Jean Remix) (3:53)

 * UK 7" single
 * 1) "No Limit" (3:15)
 * 2) "No Limit" (Automatic Breakbeat Remix) (4:45)

 * 12" maxi
 * 1) "No Limit" (Extended) (5:44)
 * 2) "No Limit" (Extended Rap) (5:55)
 * 3) "No Limit" (Rio and Le Jean Remix) (4:56)

 * 12" maxi Italy
 * 1) "No Limit" (Extended No Rap 2) (5:55)
 * 2) "No Limit" (Extended Rap) (5:55)
 * 3) "No Limit" (Rio and Le Jean Remix) (4:56)
 * 4) "No Limit" (Automatic Remix) (4:54)
 * 5) "No Limit" (Automatic Breakbeat Remix) (4:45)
 * 6) "No Limit" (Radio Rap Edit) (3:30)

Millennium remixes

 * CD single
 * 1) "No Limit" (Moon Project Edit) (3:50)
 * 2) "No Limit" (Starfighter Remix Edit) (3:15)

 * CD maxi
 * 1) "No Limit" (Starfighter Remix Edit) (3:15)
 * 2) "No Limit" (Starfighter Remix) (7:55)
 * 3) "No Limit" (Push's Transcendental Rmx) (8:26)
 * 4) "No Limit" (Moon Project Remix) (7:43)
 * 5) "No Limit" (Razzor and Guido Remix Dub) (10:38)

 * 12" single
 * 1) "No Limit" (Starfighter Remix) (7:55)
 * 2) "No Limit" (Razor and Guido Dub) (10:38)
 * 3) "No Limit" (Push's Transcendental Remix) (8:26)
 * 4) "No Limit" (Moon Project Remix) (7:43)

No Limit 2.3

 * CD single
 * 1) "No Limit 2.3" (Master Blaster Radio Edit) (3:12)
 * 2) "No Limit 2.3" (Master Blaster Remix) (5:25)
 * 3) "No Limit 2.3" (DJ Digress Hamburg Style Remix) (7:23)
 * 4) "No Limit 2.3" (DJ Sputnik Remix) (6:54)
 * 5) "No Limit 2.3" (Original Extended Mix) (5:42)

 * 12" single
 * 1) "No Limit 2.3" (Master Blaster Remix) (5:25)
 * 2) "No Limit 2.3" (Marco De Jonge Club Mix) (5:38)
 * 3) "No Limit 2.3" (DJ Digress Hamburg Style Remix) (7:25)
 * 4) "No Limit 2.3" (Original Extended Mix) (5:40)

The Smurfs covers
A Dutch cover version by Irene Moors en de Smurfen topped the Dutch charts for six weeks in 1995. A French version by Les Schtroumpfs, titled "No No No No Limit", was also successful in France and the Walloon region of Belgium, peaking in the top ten in both territories.

 * Standard CD single
 * 1) "No Limit"– 3:05
 * 2) "Ga Je Met Ons Mee (Naar Smurfenland)"– 2:53

 * CD maxi-single
 * 1) "No Limit" (radio edit)– 3:05
 * 2) "No Limit" (Smurf the House mix)– 4:46
 * 3) "No Limit" (karaoke)– 3:05
 * 4) "Die Dal Dee"– 3:28

 * French CD maxi-single
 * 1) "No No No No Limit" (radio version)– 3:12
 * 2) "No No No No Limit" (extended version)– 5:20
 * 3) "Le monde merveilleux"– 2:53

beFour cover

"No Limit" was covered by German band beFour on their fourth studio album Friends 4 Ever, and as a single in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. The song entered the German Singles Chart in 2009.

Track listings

 * CD maxi
 * 1) "No Limit" (Single version) (3:25)
 * 2) "No Limit" (Remix) (3:41)
 * 3) "All Around The Planet" (3:53)
 * 4) "No Limit" (Video) (3:25)

 * Digital download
 * 1) "No Limit" (Single version) (3:25)
 * 2) "No Limit" (Remix) (3:41)
 * 3) "All Around the Planet" (3:53)

title: No Limit (2 Unlimited song)


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Pastoral epistles

The pastoral epistles are a group of three books of the canonical New Testament: the First Epistle to Timothy (1 Timothy), the Second Epistle to Timothy (2 Timothy), and the Epistle to Titus. They are presented as letters from Paul the Apostle to Timothy and to Titus. However, many scholars believe they were written after Paul's death. They are generally discussed as a group and are given the title pastoral because they are addressed to individuals with pastoral oversight of churches and discuss issues of Christian living, doctrine and leadership. The term "pastorals" was popularized in 1703 by D. N. Berdot and in 1726 by Paul Anton. Alternate nomenclature for the cluster of three letters has been proposed: "Corpus Pastorale," meant to highlight the intentional forgery of the letters as a three-part corpus, and "Letters to Timothy and Titus," meant to emphasize the individuality of the letters.

1 Timothy
1 Timothy consists mainly of counsels to Timothy regarding the forms of worship and organization of the church, and the responsibilities resting on its several members, including epískopoi (, traditionally translated as bishops) and diákonoi ; and secondly of exhortation to faithfulness in maintaining the truth amid surrounding errors (4:1ff), presented as a prophecy of erring teachers to come. The epistle's "irregular character, abrupt connexions and loose transitions" (Moffatt 1911), have led critics to discern later interpolations, such as the epistle-concluding 6:20–21, read as a reference to Marcion of Sinope, and lines that appear to be marginal glosses that have been copied into the body of the text.

2 Timothy
The author (who identifies himself as Paul the Apostle) entreats Timothy to come to him before winter, and to bring Mark with him (cf. Phil. 2:22). He was anticipating that "the time of his departure was at hand" (4:6), and he exhorts his "son Timothy" to all diligence and steadfastness in the face of false teachings, with advice about combating them with reference to the teachings of the past, and to patience under persecution (1:6–15), and to a faithful discharge of all the duties of his office (4:1–5), with all the solemnity of one who was about to appear before the Judge of the living and the dead.

Titus
This short letter is addressed to Titus, a Christian worker in Crete, and is traditionally divided into three chapters. It includes advice on the character and conduct required of Church leaders (chapter 1), a structure and hierarchy for Christian teaching within the church (chapter 2), and the kind of godly conduct and moral action required of Christians in response to God's grace and gift of the Holy Spirit (chapter 3). It includes the line quoted by the author from a Cretan source: "Cretans are always liars, wicked beasts, and lazy gluttons".

Text
Two papyri contain parts of the Pastoral Epistles: 𝔓32 and 𝔓61. Pao considers Codex Sinaiticus to be “one of the most reliable witnesses for the [Pastoral Epistles], though it contains a series of unintentional omissions (1 Tim 2:6 [τό]; 3:8 [σεμνούς]; 4:8 [πρός]; Titus 1:13 [ἐν]).”

Authorship
The letters are written in Paul's name and have traditionally been accepted as authentic. Since the 1700s, however, scholars have increasingly come to see them as the work of someone writing after Paul's death.

Critical view: rejecting Pauline authorship
On the basis of their language, content, and other factors, the pastoral epistles are considered by skeptical scholars as having been not written by Paul, but written after his death. (The Second Epistle to Timothy, however, is sometimes thought to be more likely than the other two to have been written by Paul. ) Beginning with Friedrich Schleiermacher in a letter published in 1807, biblical textual critics and scholars examining the texts fail to find their vocabulary and literary style similar to Paul's unquestionably authentic letters, fail to fit the life situation of Paul in the epistles into Paul's reconstructed biography, and identify principles of the emerged Christian church rather than those of the apostolic generation.

As an example of qualitative style arguments, in the First Epistle to Timothy the task of preserving the tradition is entrusted to ordained presbyters; the clear sense of presbýteros as an indication of an office is a sense that to these scholars seems alien to Paul and the apostolic generation. Examples of other offices include the twelve apostles in Acts and the appointment of seven deacons, thus establishing the office of the diaconate. Presbýteros is sometimes translated as elder; via Ecclesiastical Latin presbyter it is also the Greek root for the English word priest. (The office of presbyter is also mentioned in James chapter 5.)

A second example would be gender roles depicted in the letters. The pastoral letters proscribe certain roles for women in a manner that appears to deviate from Paul's more egalitarian teaching that in Christ there is neither male nor female. Separate male and female roles, however, were not foreign to the authentic Pauline epistles; the First Letter to the Corinthians (14:34–35) commands silence from women during church services, stating that "it is a shame for women to speak in the church". Father Jerome Murphy-O'Connor, O.P., in the New Jerome Biblical Commentary, "agrees with many other commentators on this passage over the last hundred years in recognising it to be an interpolation by a later editor of 1 Corinthians of a passage from 1 Timothy 2:11–15 that states a similar 'women should be silent in churches. This made 1 Corinthians more widely acceptable to church leaders in later times. If verses before or after 1 Corinthians 14:34–35 are read, it is fairly clear that verses 34 and 35 seem out of place.

Similarly, biblical scholars since Schleiermacher in 1807 have noted that the pastoral epistles seem to argue against a version of Gnosticism that is more developed than would be compatible with Paul's time.

The pastoral epistles are omitted in some early bible manuscripts, including the fourth century Codex Vaticanus (one of the oldest mostly complete bible manuscripts in existence) and the second or third century Chester Beatty Papyrus 46 (the oldest mostly complete copy of the Pauline epistles).

Luke Timothy Johnson asserts the impossibility of demonstrating the authenticity of the Pastoral Letters.

So some scholars refer to the anonymous author as "the Pastor".

Traditional view: Saint Paul
Among the Apostolic Fathers, "a strong case can be made for Ignatius' use of ... 1 and 2 Timothy". Similarly for Polycarp. The unidentified author of the Muratorian fragment (c. 170) lists the Pastorals as Pauline, while excluding others e.g. to the Laodiceans. Origen refers to the "fourteen epistles of Paul" without specifically naming Titus or Timothy. However it is believed that Origen wrote a commentary on at least the epistle to Titus.

Biblical scholars such as Stanley Porter or Ray Van Neste who ascribe the books to Paul find their placement fits within his life and work and see the linguistic differences as complementary to differences in the recipients. While other Pauline epistles have fledgling congregations as the audience, the recipients of record in the Pastoral Epistles are Paul's close companions, evangelists whom he has extensively worked with and trained. In this view, linguistic differences are to be expected, if one is to ascribe Pauline authorship to them.

Date
It is highly probable that 1 and 2 Timothy were known and used by Polycarp in his epistle to the Philippians. Polycarp is known to have died around 155–167, so this would seem to set an upper limit for the dating of the pastoral epistles. Irenaeus explicitly references the epistles to Timothy in his anti-Gnostic treatise Against Heresies, written c. 180. Proposals by scholars for the date of their composition have ranged from the 1st century to well into the second.

The later dates are usually based on the hypothesis that the Pastorals are responding to specific 2nd-century developments, such as Marcionism and Gnosticism. Several scholars have argued that the pastoral epistles attack Marcionism in particular. If Marcion is taken to have started his ministry in earnest only after his excommunication from the Roman church in 144 CE, then this would suggest that the pastoral epistles were written after 144. Furthermore, the fact that Marcion's canon did not include the pastoral epistles is another piece of evidence for which any model must account.

On the other hand, according to Raymond E. Brown (An Introduction to the New Testament, 1997), the majority of scholars who accept a post-Pauline date of composition for the Pastorals favour the period 80–100. Scholars supporting a date in this mid range can draw on the description in 2 Timothy 1:5 of Timothy's Christian mother and grandmother who passed on their faith, as alluding to the original audience being third generation Christians.

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Talk:Shere Khan

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Deleted the reference to Shir Khan, which was just confusing. In the books Kipling only ever uses the one spelling. Lee M 03:55, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Deleted links leading to pages containg villains (ie: film villains) because Shere Khan is a predator not a villian. I kept him as a Disney villain however

The villagers believe the big cat to be the reincarnation of a hard-hearted money-lender. Mowgli is skeptical about this because he knows Shere Khan was born lame. But if you think about it, the fact that he was born lame makes it more likely, not less, that his lameness is the result of reincarnation. Erudil 16:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Deleted the phrase "ginger cosh"; could not understand the phrase, was not able to find a definition for it in various dictionaries (including slang dictionaries); google search on "ginger cosh" turned up only this very wiki article. Phrase must not be in popular usage. Danwri (talk) 04:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Deleted the translation of Sher to mean "lion". Lion in Hindi is Singh or Babbur Sher. S P 17:13, 23 August 2009, Ahmedabad, India

Undid the last change of translation of the word sher to tiger. This is just plain wrong. Sher is the colloquially used term for Lions (Sinh being the formal term), while Bagh is the term for Tigers. Sometimes the word sher is used more generally to refer to any big cat but which is why Rudyard Kipling might himself have used it to refer to the tigers. Though not the best possible reference, but the best I can think of, look at any discovery channel / animal planet voice overs of documentaries on lions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.234.147.243 (talk) 20:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Birthday?
Why does the article have a birthdate for the Disney villain? Is this information sourced from somewhere reliable -- and even if it is, is it really worth having here? AAHoug 08:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Voice in Spanish version of Disney film
The start of the "Disney Version" section says: ''In Disney's 1967 animated adaptation of The Jungle Book, Shere Khan is the major villain, entering the story about two-thirds of the way through. His seductive, purring voice was supplied by the late George Sanders and by Carlos Petrel in the Spanish version of the movie.'' I understand that there should be some notability responsible for the mention of the Spanish voice of Sher Khan for the Disney version. Could someone help me out with determining what it is, exactly? I hope the way that I came out didn't sound harsh; it wasn't intended to be. Much appreciated. 98.202.38.225 (talk) 03:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

sher shah suri
how could kipling have encountered sher shah suri in afghanistan when he born 300 years after sher shah suri died and sher shah suri never invaded afghanistan in the first place59.164.19.120 (talk) 05:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

TaleSpin
Besides one category, this article does not reference TaleSpin, which carries Jungle Book characters in a developed city. --Gh87 (talk) 19:25, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Tiger = बाघ (Baagh); Lion = शेर (Shere)
So the line
 * "The word Shere translates as "tiger" in Urdu/Hindi/Punjabi,"

is incorrect, but I'm not sure how to correct it. It seems the writer (Rudyard Kipling) himself made a mistake.

http://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/बंगाल_बाघ

Bengal_tiger — Preceding unsigned comment added by MurkMenthaa (talk • contribs) 15:43, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

 * The word 'Sher' or 'Shir' is of Persian origin, and though it was meant for the Asiatic lion, it was also used for Bengal and Caspian tigers, as one can see here. Leo1pard (talk) 06:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Broken link for "here", anyone have the linked page or similar? TahaGhassemi (talk) 20:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC) TahaGhassemi (talk) 20:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Original Research
Please note that unless a reliable source can be provided, statements such as that Khan is the main antagonist or speculation as to why he's immune to Kaa's hypnosis constitute original research and should not be added to the article. Doniago (talk) 13:00, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, the article never stated he was immune, or at least I never put anything of the sort. Shere Khan was the main antagonist, I thought anybody who saw the film would see that as obvious, but I guess we need proof. As for the stuff that I have added that you continuously delete, I gave you an actual link to the events that took place, and what happened between his first meeting with Mowgli in the Disney film. Because this certain discussion isn't about that, I'm going to re-add that information, but I'll keep the antagonist and immunity portion out. From what I saw, the article never stated that he was immune to Kaa's powers, and just left it questionable as to him either being immune or intuitive. Sage94 (talk) 18:13, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * "He avoids falling victim to Kaa's hypnotic powers, though whether from intuition, observation, or immunity is unclear." - This does not state that he is immune, in fact, it actually questions it. It is left unclear if he is or isn't immune, and even states that he could have just been intuitive or observative. You only payed attention to one word. That's not how it works, Doniago. Sage94 (talk) 18:27, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The Cast section of MOS:FILM discusses why assigning characters roles is inappropriate without sourcing, but more to the point...if the character's actions are properly described via any plot summary then it shouldn't be necessary for us to label them in any case. But it boils down to it not being our place to assign characters roles unless a source has described them as such.
 * That sentence is clear speculation on our parts without a reliable source. We shouldn't speculate as to why Khan's unaffected, we should simply say he is unaffected. Doniago (talk) 20:39, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

lack of sources
If anything is lacking a source please: 1. Ask the original editor to provide sources 2. Take a minute or two to search for sources 3. Place a tag on the article, so other editors can find sources.

The above are easy and polite.

If there are no BLP issues, don't be disruptive and remove sections without trying the above first. It's rude and does not help wikipedia.

Sennen Goroshi ! (talk) 06:31, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Good advice as potentially "best practice", but in reality the article's already been tagged since 2008 and there is no requirement that editors look for sources before removing material. In fact, unsourced information may be outright removed without warning of any sort (in that sense, tagging first is also something that might be considered good manners but is not a requirement). In my opinion if nobody's been able to provide a reference for information for 5+ years than it is not unreasonable to believe the sources may not exist, and while moving the information here may be preferable to removing it outright, there's also no requirement that an editor do that. Keeping unsourced information in an article for years is, as has been discussed at WT:V, generally considered not preferable to removing it until such time as references can be provided.
 * That said, it's also often considered "best practice" to, when information one wishes to retain is challenged, go ahead and locate sources rather than get into a discussion about whether or not they're required. The discussion will likely consume more time and effort than simply providing sources, will moot any WP:BURDEN concerns, and generally is the most practical option. DonIago (talk) 14:05, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

 * There might have been a tag from 2008, and from looking at previous edits I can see that you have been edit warring on this article since 2013 - however, that has nothing whatsoever to do with my edits. I was adding the two major actors who are going to play Shere Khan (in movies that were not even planned backed in 2008), from looking at the edit history you have only been edit warring on that point for about three months. Don't start claiming 2008 blah blah, when you know perfectly well that the tag in 2008 has absolutely nothing to do with the edits I made. Since you love quoting WP:BURDEN, let's take a look at it. Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be replaced without an inline citation to a reliable source. so, yeah - you can removed material when it lacks a source.  Let's look at some more... Whether and how quickly this should happen depends on the material and the overall state of the article. In some cases, editors may object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references; consider adding a citation needed tag as an interim step You seemed to ignore the suggestions of tagging the material you objected to, and totally disregarded the fact that editors obviously object to your actions. It's nice to see that you cherry pick the parts of WP:BURDEN that support your actions, and totally ignore the rest of it. It takes minutes at most to find a source, you're just be lazy and disruptive by deleting material with looking for the sources yourself. Jeez when I look at your edit history, I can clearly see that you have added just about nothing to wikipedia, you have just reverted about 50 people daily for lacking sources, without looking yourself. Be a little more constructive with your edits please. Sennen Goroshi !  (talk) 14:38, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

 * I've got nothing to add to this discussion except the following: WP:Preserve is as much a policy as WP:Burden is, even though WP:Preserve is the lesser known policy out of the two and many people ignore it even when being told of it. The WP:Burden policy points to the WP:Preserve policy. Flyer22 (talk) 13:01, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately, you are talking about an editor who has years of doing nothing but reverting people for lack of sources. I really wonder how many new editors got their material removed, logged out of wikipedia and never edited it again. Rules and guidelines are important, removing material that is incorrect is even more important, removing something for example "band X covered song Y", when it takes 30 seconds to find a source is just disruptive. It's cherry picking certain rules, while ignoring other just as relevant rules, just to prove a point. Sennen Goroshi ! (talk) 14:39, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Regarding major issue with this page
Apparently we can't mention the fact that Shere Khan is the main antagonist of The Jungle Book, despite the fact that he is, because it's "not sourced". That's all fine and dandy, except for the fact that such a rule only seems to exist or at least be enforced on this page regarding this character. All other famous villains/antagonists have their roles as main antagonists mentioned on their pages despite having no citated sources. And on this very page and others regarding the 1994 film, it goes out of it's way to mention that Boone, a one-shot character who only appeared in one adaptation that was even further away from the original source than the animated Disney film, as the villain of that film, despite once again there being no source for that either. By comparison, the closest we get to Shere Khan, the main antagonist of the series/franchise, being referred to as such is mention of him being "a villain" in Mowgli's Story, where he was, once again, the main antagonist. So a one-shot character is referred to as "the" villain while the primary Jungle Book antagonist is referred to as "a" villain at best.

That is like removing all mentions of Bowser being the main antagonist of the Mario franchise because there's no linked source, yet constantly referring to Wart, a one shot character from Super Mario Bros 2 as the main antagonist of Mario 2 whenever he's mentioned, despite also having no linked source to said information. It's just extremely bizarre and confusing and does nothing to help with the article. If anything it's extremely misleading to readers unfamilar with the work and it's characters, which is the exact opposite of the purpose of these articles.

So either enforce this rule for other villains/antagonists, or don't enforce it at all — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:183:C100:8B:9C16:A60C:956:F62F (talk) 18:41, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

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No Limit

No Limit may refer to:

Record labels

 * No Limit Records, a record label founded by Master P
 * No Limit Forever Records, a record label founded by Romeo Miller, son of Master P

Albums

 * No Limit (Art Pepper album), 1977
 * No Limit (Mari Iijima album), 1999
 * No Limit (EP), by Monsta X, 2021
 * No Limit, a 2021 compilation album with Ninho, Orelsan, Heuss l'Enfoiré, Bosh, and others

Songs

 * "No Limit" (2 Unlimited song), 1993
 * "No Limit" (G-Eazy song), 2017
 * "No Limit" (Usher song), 2016
 * "No Limit", a song by Front Line Assembly from their album Gashed Senses & Crossfire
 * "No Limit", a song by G Herbo from his mixtape Ballin Like I'm Kobe
 * "No Limit", a song by Inna from her album I Am the Club Rocker
 * "No Limit", a song by Skeme featuring The Game
 * "No Limit", a song by Wiz Khalifa from his album O.N.I.F.C.

Film and television

 * No Limit (1931 film), starring Clara Bow
 * No Limit (1935 film), a comedy about the Isle of Man TT Race, starring George Formby and Florence Desmond
 * No Limit (2006 film), a documentary about the professional poker tournament circuit
 * No Limit (2011 film), a Chinese comedy / action film directed by Fu Huayang
 * No Limit (2022 film), fr:Sous emprise a French Drama / Romance film
 * Heading to the Ground, also known as No Limit, a 2009 South Korean TV series
 * No Limit (TV series), a 2012 French action TV show created by Luc Besson and starring Vincent Elbaz

Sports and gaming

 * No Limit (professional wrestling), a professional wrestling tag team
 * A discipline of freediving
 * A poker betting, term

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Talk:Pastoral epistles

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I have assembled all material from First Epistle to Timothy, Second Epistle to Timothy and Epistle to Titus here, with minimal tweaking, meaning not to edit until everyone is satisfied that the three Pastoral Epistles can be treated as a group, with subsections for material that concerns them individually. After a while, the former entries (content now duplicative) can be converted to redirects. The individual books remain in the Category:New Testament books, with an additional category, Pastoral epistles. --Wetman 03:58, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Oops. I wouldn't have linked to the individual articles in the lead paragraph had I read this first. Sounds like a fine plan, at least unless/until there's enough content to make it worth splitting. Seems unlikely for the near term at least. Wesley 23:23, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Links are always useful. I have so recently labored (perhaps in vain) to bring these three epistles together precisely because they cannot be completely understood individually. Individually one cannot even arrive at a sensible date for their composition. It seems too easy at Wikipedia to split up information thoughtlessly, without concern for context. The idea of a "long' article at Wikipedia seems to be about 1500 words! --Wetman 03:17, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Revision
I added the Attention tag to the article. I noticed that large sections were blank, and that a version of the article several edits old was significantly longer. It doesn't look like the article was simply vandalized, but it's clear that SOMETHING happened to it, and neither the talk page nor the article history mentions what that was. Would someone more familiar with Wikipedia please take a look at it? 134.10.44.199 05:20, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Hmm... Never did get around to the next few steps, did I? Thanks for reminding me.

 * The new structure is better. Of course, structure is useless without content. A.J.A. 17:47, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping a sharp eye out. I went to Page history, compared a December version with the current one, and by choosing "edit" and then "save" replaced the vandalized version with the previous good one. Thanks! --Wetman 18:02, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

 * As per WP:VAND, removing my comment here was vandalism. Don't commit vandalism anymore, and especially don't vandalize the talk page to make your false accusation of vandalism against me more credible.  A.J.A. 21:46, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

 * As you said, structure is useless without content. Since your re-structuring removed a significant amount of content, including citations, and it's been over a month without anything further being added, I reverted it to the previous version. Wesley 20:24, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Proposed title change
The title "Pastoral Epistles" should be changed to "Pastoral epistles", because it is a description of the three books, not the proper name of a book. If there is no objection shortly, I will make the move. --Blainster 20:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

 * That seems right: a category rather than a title. Rather a lot of double redirects to fix, though. --Wetman 00:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll work through them. --Blainster 18:46, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Done. It seems to me that theological writers sometimes have a habit of capitalizing various nouns as an indicator of importance or emphasis. (Initial capitals and all capitals should not be used for emphasis. see WP:MOS). In English, nouns should generally only be capitalized only if they are proper names, or part of a title. Now in French only the first word of a book title would be capitalized, or if it were German all the nouns would be capitalized, so the language does make a difference. But ancient languages (Hebrew and Greek) had no miniscule letters, so I suspect that is not the root of the problem. --Blainster 07:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Manuscript evidence
There is no discussion of the fact that the letters to Timothy are conspiciously absent from the known fragments of early papyrus manuscripts of the bible (Titus is present but rare). How does this weigh in on the authorship question? Please add this info. -- 92.229.117.222 (talk) 04:06, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Separate male and female roles
Separate male and female roles, however, were not foreign to the authentic Pauline epistles; the First Letter to the Corinthians (14:34–35) commands silence from women during church services, stating that "it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
 * This is a bit sketchy because many experts believe that that part of 1 Corinthians isn't authentic either for good reasons, namely that Corinthians 11 specifically gives instructions for women to talk in church, and an early manuscript, specifically noted and put this section at the end as not present in most of the other manuscripts. Which makes the separate male and female roles found only in later interpolations and the Pastorals. Tat (talk) 03:55, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Authorship section is not NPOV
Although the authorship section includes paragraphs both for and against Pauline authorship, the arguments in the "for" section are left to stand on their own, while the arguments "against" are all contested. This leaves the impression that there are no solid arguments against Pauline authorship. The reality is that modern scholarship is much more divided on this question. Aardvark92 (talk) 16:13, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Furthermore, one of these counter-arguments relies on comparing a viewpoint of the Pastorals on gender roles with 1 Cor 14:34-35. I'm no expert on the subject myself, but I've read elsewhere that this passage is considered an interpolation. So that is most likely (inept) original research. (See here for a discussion http://richardcarrier.blogspot.com/2011/06/pauline-interpolations.html) Note that Carrier discusses an apologetic argument which holds that the passage is authentic, but that Paul was merely quoting an opponent's view with disapproval. Even were we to buy that, the passage could not be used the way it is being used in this article, obviously. Jagan (talk) 09:52, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Deleted Syriac Orthodox Reference needing Citation since 2008
I've taken the initiative to remove an item awaiting a citation since 2008, that stated that the Syriac Orthodox Church did not originally consider these epistles canonical. 5 years is long enough to await such a citation. I myself am a member of that church and have personally inquired on this subject (and had a source been provided, I could have offered a citation to back up that claim), in fact, the story I have heard thus far directly contradicts it - these books were never rejected as uncanonical per se, rather, the Peshitta (or Peshitto as it is known in the West Syriac dialect) predates the general acceptance of these books into the canon, along with Revelations, Jude and a few other epistles; these were later added and can be found in, for example, the Murdock Translation of the mid 19th century. On the other hand, some translations, such as the Etheridge translation, lack them. There was never, from what I've been told, any sense that this was due to an intentional or overt rejection of these books. From my conversations with clergy from the Assyrian Church of the East, their view on this subject is the same. TIt should be noted that the Peshitta in use in the Assyrian Church of the East in fact lacks these works, but again, not because they are disputed, rather, their acceptance into canon simply postdates the Peshitta; it should also be considered that the Peshitta was one of several early Syriac Bibles, and grew to prominence as a replacement for the earlier Diatesseron, the gospel harmony previously favored in the churches of Mesopotamia. Thus, these books are not used liturgically, but they are accepted as valid scripture, and are, for example, used as the subject of bible studies. hus, given that no citation was provided to any authoritative source in the five years since this claim was made, and given that I've verbally heard conflicting stories from clergy of both churches that use the Aramaic Peshitta, I am removing this reference. If someone wishes to reinsert it, I would propose that should be acceptable as long as they can cite a source.

Wgw2024 (talk) 04:50, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

The whole article is only from the Liberal Bible rejecting view
I would attempt to make it more balance by adding the Conservative Bible Believing side by writers such as Walvoord, Feinbrg and the like but anything I add will just be deleted because wikipedia only shows the Anti-Christian - Anti-Biblical views. Odd they they never do that with the Koran, Just the Bible. It a writer actually believes the Bible you say his writing are Just his viewpoint and not scholarly but any old quack that attacks the Bible you claim is FACT! It is sad really because wikipedia is always begging for money and Christians love to give money to good causes but we never give money to Anti-Christs. Oh Well, Jesus said you and the rest of the world would hate us so thanks for proving him right once again. Now go ahead a delete this like you do anything that disagrees with you.--69.14.97.53 (talk) 16:06, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

"Worship" in the Pastorals?
Somebody has been repeatedly editing this article to indicate that the Pastorals cover the topic of "worship". But they do not say a word about "worship". (1 Tim 2:8 was cited as an example of "worship", but that verse says nothing at all about worship, nor makes any allusion to worship - the verse is entirely about prayer.) Never in any of his epistles does Paul specifically address the issue of worship. If you believe that there is some reference to "worship" in the Pastorals then please explain why here instead of vandalizing the article by introducing topics the Bible does not talk about. I could list hundreds of topics the Pastorals address, but "worship" is not one of them. Grand Dizzy (talk) 12:42, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for starting a talk page discussion. First of all, please read WP:NOT VANDALISM. Secondly, prayer is usually regarded as part of Christian worship. Thirdly, according to this reliable source, Paul's purpose in 1 Tim 2:8 - 3:1a is that "the congregation's worship practices... should personify the redemptive purpose of God our Savior set out by the preceding theological formulation." StAnselm (talk) 00:11, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * StAnselm,
 * Hello and thank you for your response. Firstly, I'm sorry I called you a vandal. I thought you were engaging in hoaxing, by editing articles to say things that are patently untrue. However, having now looked at your other contributions on Wikipedia and read what you've said, I am sure you were not deliberately trying to add false information to Wikipedia.

 * However, it does remain a mystery to me why anyone, would think that the Pastorals bear some reference to "worship". Yes, it is true that almost all forms of worship are a form of prayer—but not all prayer is worship! Many prayers are supplications, petitions and intercessions, and indeed, that is the clear theme of the first 9 verses of 1 Timothy 2 - intercessory prayer for the nations, that all kinds of men will be saved and Christians may live a quiet life. And ultimately that there may be men of God all over the world praying as brothers, divided by culture but united in harmony by the Spirit.

 * That is the only reference to prayer in the epistle and it is a brief passing reference. To say that "worship" is a major theme of the letter, frankly, seems quite absurd to me.

 * Thank you for the reference you gave. I had a quick look at it, but I'm afraid that, as far as I can see, the authors are quite delusional. They seem to be reading "worship" into many portions of the New Testament which make absolutely no reference to worship whatsoever.

 * These men believe the Pastorals bear some reference to a "congregation" (ie a church meeting). But where? There is absolutely nothing in the Pastorals about church meetings or gatherings. The letters are about doctrine, leadership, the functioning of the church, order, the relationships in the church, and of course conduct and moral goodness, especially as demonstrated towards the outside world. The letters make no specific reference to group meetings or any kind of practical arrangements. The principles laid out in Paul's letters are relevant to men of God all day long - whether we are alone, in the world, with one or two brothers, or in a full church meeting. They do not become more or less relevant at different occasions.

 * Well anyway, I am not going to pursue this any further, nor attempt to correct the article again. Further argument would also seem fruitless. If you want to keep "worship" in this article then go ahead, but I would say that you are only contributing to the kind of delusion shared by the authors of the book you referenced.

 * I do not particularly care about Wikipedia anyway. I signed up over 10 years ago, but have since come to repent and be born again into the Kingdom. As such, the things of the world are no longer of any importance to me, including the collection of unspiritual "knowledge" known as Wikipedia. I would not even try to argue over spiritual matters in a place such as this. However, I saw what seemed to be a rather obvious factual error in the article and sought to quickly correct it. Yet this brief incident has taught me not to waste my time with Wikipedia, since Satan has control here and the Holy Spirit will always be silenced from the articles.

 * Though please note, my negative view of Wikipedia is not intended to reflect upon you or your own contributions. But I urge you not to put your faith in the kind of worldly wisdom found in websites such as this, or in the book you mentioned; but instead to follow after Jesus Christ and obey Him unreservedly and unfailingly to the end, doing all that He commands and repenting of ALL the sin in your life - that by doing so you may be born again and inherit eternal life. That is something most Christians sadly will not receive. (If one has any doubt about this then please read the whole chapter of Matthew 7, particularly after verse 13.)

 * Amen, I speak in the Spirit of God.

Grand Dizzy (talk) 22:14, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

 * Here, on Wikipedia, we prefer that people speak in the name of reliable sources. Tgeorgescu (talk) 00:10, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

 * Hello Tgeorgescu. Thank you for this, and for what you posted on my talk page, but for the record I do not intend to make any further contributions to Wikipedia. Best wishes Grand Dizzy (talk) 16:05, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

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