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Carly Colón
Should we move this to Carlito (wrestler)? King  iMat  thew   20  08  10:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Support 2.6m Ghits suggest so Darrenhusted (talk) 10:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm not particulary interested in the matter since both Carly and Carlito are very common, although the latter was used for a year more than Carlito has been used. However, "Carlito" alone is not a good search item, that's like looking up "Carlos", now "Carlito + wrestler" is bringing back 1.4m hits. - Caribb e a n ~ H. Q.  11:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1.4m is still good enough reason. Darrenhusted (talk)

 * Oppose - his father is a famous wrestler under the Colón name and he has wrestled in his father's notable promotion as Carly Colón. I believe this should stay the same just as Glen Jacobs and Paul Wight stayed as is. --Endless Dan 14:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Dan and quantifier. –– Lid(Talk) 03:23, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per above. Govvy (talk) 18:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

❌ King   iMat  thew   20  08  11:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Controversial Remarks
doesn't carlito's wikipedia deserve to acknowledge the controversial remarks he said about paul? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Champ550 (talk • contribs) 13:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Have the "controvertial remarks" made it to a reliable source, like a newspaper or the mainstream media? if not then no, we can't add rumors based on a fan's testimony here. - Caribb e a n ~ H. Q.  01:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

His new look?
He no longer has the afro, shouldn't the main picture change to the new look with his braids? 212.71.33.86 (talk) 14:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

His new look?
He no longer has the afro, shouldn't the main picture change to the new look with his braids? 212.71.33.85 (talk) 14:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If a free picture can be found, then yes. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:30, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Carly Colón → Carlito (wrestler)
Comment: Yes, I do know that it has been suggested already--Brothers of destruction (talk) 18:43, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Closed per WP:SNOW.-- S R X  21:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Snowy Oppose - then why are you suggesting it again? This has been discussed like less than a month ago. Will bring in quantifier.-- S R X  21:17, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per quantifier. Nikki  311  21:50, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose and close per the snowball clause. If you know it has been discussed then why waste time opening it back up? Darrenhusted (talk) 19:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Could this article be better at Carlito Colón?
I know a switch to Carlito (wrestler) failed, but would it be better at Carlito Colón? I'm only asking since I doubt people would think to search Carly Colón, plus he's probably better known now as Carlito Colón than as Carly Colón. -- James  Duggan  05:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Why? He has never been directly refered to as "Carlito Colón", even when the tag team's name is The Colóns they still call him "Carlito". - Caribb e a n ~ H. Q.  18:52, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

 * He has been refered to as Carlito Colon. Even the WWE Tag Title History lists them as "Carlito and Primo Colon" the same way they would someone like "Matt and Jeff Hardy". The name plate on his belt also said Carlito Colon. 75.45.178.9 (talk) 09:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

 * He has absolutley been refered to as Carlito Colón. But even then, he is much more commonly known as Carlito than Carly. So I support a move. Ive Cena Nuff (talk) 19:45, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * He has never been called Carlito Colón. He has been called Carlito, and they have said his last name is Colón, but they have never called him Carlito Colón. So I Oppose.  TJ   Spyke   22:43, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

With so many divergent oppinions on names why not cut through the mess and put him at "Carlos Colón, Jr." since that's his birthname? Carly, Carlito and any other variation could then easily be redirects and thus solve all the problems in one instance instead of 3-4-5 different "move suggestions"?? MPJ-DK (talk) 10:14, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

 * I have heard them say Carlito Colon, but with so much disagreement over the issue why not go with MPJ-DK and name the article Carlos Colón, Jr.? Ive Cena Nuff (talk) 15:30, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

 * I agree. Considering that Carly and Carlito are both diminutive forms of his real name, Carlos. Then the article can just mention the nicknames and go from there.76.226.222.203 (talk) 05:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Nicknames
Jim Ross has recently been calling him the "San Juan Southpaw" as a sort of nickname. Should we add it? - Thejka 15:20, 28 December 2008

 * Thats been his nickname for a long time now, so it should be. Ive Cena Nuff (talk) 22:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Which Tag Team Title has he got?
Are Carlito and Primi the WWE Tag team Champions or the World Tag team Champions? 41.245.171.28 (talk) 15:58, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

 * Both. - Caribb e a n ~ H. Q.  22:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Something wrong with the "The Colóns and Split" section of Carlto's article
Is Carlito truly released from WWE and to transfer to TNA? That edit was made by IP 220.245.132.118. Any comfirmation if this is true? If it's not I can undo the edit and any of you Wikipedia admins can do your stuff. Kyrios320 (talk) 12:55, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

It's true, and has been acknowledged on WWE's official website (which is cited)--Remixed Insanity (talk) 21:51, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Release
I've added that his subsequent refusal to attend rehab was a factor in his release, as WWE policy is not to release contracted performers on their first offence as well as it being noted in the cited article.Remixed Insanity (talk) 22:20, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey, Carlito Why You Not Release Anymore Arley Sr. Arley1998 (talk) 02:53, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Carly Colón → Carlito (wrestler) (again)
The last time this has been discussed was two years ago. He is has been known as Carlito around the world for 7 years, so I think a move to Carlito (wrestler) would be better.  Simon KSK  20:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Cúchullain t/ c 19:53, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Carly Colón → Carlito (wrestler) – This is, by far, his best known name. It is the name that he has wrestled for more than six years as in WWE, and the name that he is best recognized by. He has even used the Carlito name outside of WWE. GeicoHen (talk) 02:03, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment: similar to the Eddie Colón requested move, WikiProject Puerto Rico does not oppose to this move but does not necessarily support it either. We will abide to whatever WikiProject Professional Wrestling believes is best for Wikipedia. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 12:25, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose - He has received varied levels of success under many names, having it under his real name, which he wrestlers under sounds just fine. We should not always just go by his WWE name.  STATic  message me!  16:08, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Carly has wrestled as Carlito, Carlito Colón, Carly Colón, Carlitos Colón adn Carlito Caribbean Cool. It's hard to fine the common name. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:54, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment The only place that he has wrestled under the "Carly Colon" name was in WWC, and most of its audience speaks Spanish. In the English world, he is known almost solely as Carlito. --GeicoHen (talk) 07:37, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Support Most success as simply "Carlito", which is also short for several of the others, and implies his notable connection to Carlos. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:24, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
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Requested move 22 April 2016

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. There's opposition to at least one of the moves, although there may be support for the Carlito one. But not clear enough either way. These aren't really very tightly linked pages, so I suggest listing them separately for better clarity. — Amakuru (talk) 09:22, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

– These articles have been misplaced for a long time. Carlos Colón's most common name is unquestionably "Carlitos Colón". He became a household name in Puerto Rico under that name and still uses it today. He used his real name when working NWA and WWF shows in the United States because it was easier to pronounce in English, but his notability was mostly garnered as being the face of professional wrestling in Puerto Rico. Carlito used to go by "Carly" in WWC before he signed with WWE, but ever since he gained widespread international attention as "Carlito", he's exclusively used that name everywhere he goes, including back home in Puerto Rico, where he's known was "Carlito Colón". Clearly, this should be the correct article title as per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NATDAB. Any confusion with his father's similar ring name can be settled with a hatnote as per WP:SIMILAR. Lastly, both Carlito and Primo used the "Colón" surname while they tagged together in WWE and Primo also used it during his initial singles run. Primo also continues to use it when he works WWC a few times a year. Per WP:NATDAB, "Primo Colón" is the best title for his article. Feed back  00:34, 22 April 2016 (UTC) --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 09:14, 30 April 2016 (UTC)  -- Relisting.  Anarchyte   ( work  |  talk )   10:42, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Carly Colón → Carlito Colón
 * Primo (wrestler) → Primo Colón
 * Carlos Colón Sr. → Carlitos Colón

 * Comment on Carlos, Sr. – I question the wisdom of this rationale. We appear to be putting the weight on how he's marketed in one particular promotion simply because that promotion is where he's best known.  Once again we're subtly pushing the POV that the person doesn't matter, only the promotions they work for, which is especially evident in many of this most recent wave of RMs.  This is the English-language Wikipedia.  If I have my Spanish correct, "Carlitos" means "Little Carlos".  That term could mean something in Puerto Rico, but I doubt it means anything anywhere else in the world.  He also made a handful of tours for All Japan over many years, where he was billed as "Carlos". RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions  11:56, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * If I was "pushing the POV that the person doesn't matter, only the promotions they work for", then I would be advocating for Carlos Colón, because that's how WWE, the biggest wrestling promotion in the world, has called him in his handful of appearances. Instead, we are focusing on the person. Carlos wrestled the bulk of his career as "Carlitos Colón" and gained most of his notability and notoriety under that name. The name is indeed in Spanish, but I don't see what point you're trying to make with that observation. Carlitos is to Little Carlos, what Johnny is to Little John. They're not the same, despite having similar nicknaming purposes. If Carlos' most common name was "Little Carlos", I would suggest moving him there, no different than Little John or Little Richard. Whether or not this is an English Wikipedia, we have to accept that most of his substantial coverage is by Spanish Latin-American sources, and even the most recent ones still refer to him as "Carlitos Colón". See here, here, here and here. If we give any undue weight to his small amount of appearances in other promotions, that's when we will be giving more importance to the promotion than the person. Feed  back  18:32, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think that "Carlitos Colón" is really that common outside Puerto Rico, but the "one particular promotion" where he is known as that is his own. That is probably the way that he prefers to be called, or otherwise he wouldn't voluntarily use it as his own ring name for several decades. I don't mind the other two, unlike the first time that "Carlito Colón" was proposed (back at WWE, when he was never called that name) Carly has been using that ring name in the independents. In Puerto Rico he is still widely known as Carly, but he has been using the old Carlito Caribbean Cool (I don't think that he uses his last name in WWC) gimmick for several years, probably one of the few places where he still uses it. About Primo, even when WWE shortened his ring name, they still made constant comments discussing how he is the son of "the great Carlos Colón", it is still part of his gimmick. - Caribb e a n ~ H. Q.  05:15, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

 * Oppose moving Carlos. - Best known to a worldwide audience as Carlos Colón. This is the name he used when he made the appearances that were seen by the most people (WWE Hall of Fame induction, 1993 Royal Rumble, etc.). Support moving Carly to Carlito (wrestler) (note: not Carlito Colón), as that is the name he appears to have used during his most notable appearances (i.e. his extended run in WWE). Neutral on Primo, as I don't watch wrestling and don't know when he stopped using the last name as his ring name. GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:33, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

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issues
These are my issues with the last editions. included a lot of content in the wrestler career during the last 20 days. However, I removed because the content has several probelms. 1, it's WP:UNSOURCED. 2, it's no notable or relevant for the article, WP:INDISCRIMINATE. 3, it's not written in WP:PROSE. It's just a list of every pro wrestling promotion he worked, unsourced, poorly written (not like other articles covering the independent career of the wrestler) and most of them, aren't notable, just local promotion which shows aren't even covered by pro wrestling media. That part doesn't follow several policies and I can't include the content in a better way. I can include thing like working on Italy's Wrestling Superstars or wrestling for the PPW Television title since aren't relevant. No other article includes a career like that with every promotion a wrestler appeared. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 00:18, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that a lot of his independent appearances can be cleared and we need the space if he gets rehired by WWE. The reaction that IWA-PR had to him signing with WWE, or them playing their fans during the Colón v. Colón angle are interesting, but should be moved to a much needed article on the WWC-IWA-PR rivalry. The issues brought in the GAR are logical and should be dealt with to get this piece back to where it was. Or finally push it to FA. But Prwrestling should be in WP:PW/RS, if only for Puerto Rico results. Also, it’s about time that we move this to Carlito Colón. El Alternativo (talk) 20:36, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello. About PRWrestling, I used to read that website years ago. Maybe you can ask for his inclussion in the RS talk page. The true is we need more sources for puerto rican wrestling. About the name change, you can start a discussion, but I think the common name would be Carlito (wrestler) --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:21, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

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Dark-Sky Movement
Is this the right title for this, or should it be at Dark-sky movement, or what? Noel (talk) 21:04, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Yes, it should be Dark-sky movement, small 'm', but for some reason Wikipedia wouldn't let me Move it to that new title. I see now that this new title exists, so whatever was holding me up seems to be gone. - DavidWBrooks 22:27, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I take that back - it was redirected to here - a big mess. Anyway, I have fixed it now. - DavidWBrooks 22:34, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This is the correct title: no capital letters (except the first one, which Wikipedia does automatically), because it's not an official title of an organization - e.g., it's not the equivalent of National Aeronautic and Space Administration, but of baseball teams. So many variants have been created now, though, that this may be complicated ... - DavidWBrooks 22:32, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * The Move function, which wasn't working earlier, is now working, so I have switched the redirects. This is now the article. - DavidWBrooks 22:35, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Los Angeles Observatory
This is red linked. Does the reference to the Los Angeles Observatory refer to the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles?

What references are there to validate the impact of pollution, etc. on viewing from the Observatory? —ERcheck @ 01:34, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

The Griffith Observatory states they are still letting visiters come and see the night sky, so why does it says it's no longer functioning?Jimagnus (talk) 22:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Griffith Observatory is almost strictly an educational facility that does no substantial research in astronomy. There was already extensive light polution from Los Angeles when it was built in 1934, but the location was chosen as a prime location for educational purposes to the masses of the city (citing the documentary "The Once and Future Griffith Observatory"). The building itself is a major contributor to an already overwhelming light pollution problem; the lighting used at Griffith Observatory was designed to attract people to the building (my opinion). I removed the reference to Griffith Observatory being "useless" since it remains very useful for its intended purpose of public education. If there is a mention of it here, the buiding should be portrayed as a contributor of light pollution, not a victim of it.Mcsew2k @ 02:58:00, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Redirect from "Lighting Control"
Hi, I think that the redirect from Lighting Control is wrong: the term lighting control refers to a totally different area of technology (dimming, lighting control protocols, etc.). I'd be happy to draft a lighting control page --Francesco.Anselmo (talk) 14:01, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Arizona law
Here's an article that should find its way into this article. __meco (talk) 09:39, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
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Víctor Fernández

Víctor Fernández Braulio (born 28 November 1960) is a Spanish football manager, currently in charge of Real Zaragoza.

He had four spells with his hometown team Zaragoza, winning the Copa del Rey in 1994 and the Cup Winners' Cup a year later. He also led Tenerife, Celta, Real Betis and Deportivo de La Coruña in La Liga, and won the Intercontinental Cup in a brief spell at Porto in 2004.

Zaragoza
Fernández was born in Zaragoza, Aragon. Late into the 1990–91 season, aged only 30, he was promoted to hometown Real Zaragoza's first team, eventually leading it to the 17th league position and avoiding La Liga relegation in the playoffs against Real Murcia CF; at the time of his beginnings, he was the second youngest manager to ever coach in the league after Xabier Azkargorta.

In the following years, Fernández helped Zaragoza consolidate in the top division, notably reconverting Gus Poyet from forward to attacking midfielder and winning the Copa del Rey in 1994 and the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup the next season. He was relieved of his duties on 8 November 1996, meeting the same fate the following year with his next club, CD Tenerife.

Celta
In May 1998, Fernández was appointed to replace Javier Irureta at RC Celta de Vigo, Profiting from the recent Bosman ruling, his team fielded many European Union players such as Claude Makélélé, as well as those from further afield such as the Israeli Haim Revivo and Russian midfield duo Valeri Karpin and Aleksandr Mostovoi; the Galician team played highly attractive football and were known as EuroCelta for their performances in continental competitions.

Fernández led Celta in the UEFA Cup in each of his four seasons, reaching the quarter-finals on all but one occasion; highlights included a 3–1 win over Liverpool in November 1998, a 7–0 rout of S.L. Benfica a year later and a 4–0 victory at Juventus FC in March 2000. His team won the UEFA Intertoto Cup in the summer of 2000, with a 4–3 aggregate defeat of FC Zenit Saint Petersburg. Domestically, he surprisingly lost the 2001 Copa del Rey final 3–1 to Zaragoza, who had barely avoided relegation.

Betis
Fernández was appointed at fellow top flight team Real Betis in May 2002, after the exit of Juande Ramos. He finished eighth and ninth respectively in his two years, and his team were eliminated from the third round of the UEFA Cup by AJ Auxerre in his first campaign.

Porto
In August 2004, Fernández moved abroad and joined Portuguese club FC Porto; the UEFA Champions League holders had dismissed Luigi Delneri before a single competitive game. He won on his debut on 20 August in the Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira, with new signing Ricardo Quaresma scoring the only goal of a win against rivals Benfica; on 12 December he added the conquest of the last ever Intercontinental Cup with a penalty shootout victory over Colombia's Once Caldas.

Domestically, Fernández's team gave up their Primeira Liga lead to Benfica on 20 November 2004 when they lost 1–0 at home to neighbours Boavista FC. Home form was a struggle with three wins from the first seven fixtures, including another single-goal defeat to S.C. Beira-Mar two weeks later. He was abruptly dismissed the following January following a 1–3 defeat to S.C. Braga, again at the Estádio do Dragão.

Returns to Zaragoza and Betis
Fernández returned to his beloved Zaragoza for the 2006–07 campaign, qualifying the side for the UEFA Cup in his first year but being sacked midway through his second, as the season eventually ended in relegation.

In another return, Fernández joined Betis in late January 2010, replacing fired Antonio Tapia. During his spell the Verdiblancos were the team in the league with the most points, but they missed out on promotion from Segunda División after being beaten to promotion places through head-to-head against Hércules CF and Levante UD, despite beating the latter 4–0 on the final day.

Later years
On 9 January 2013, Fernández moved for his second experience abroad, signing a contract with Belgium's K.A.A. Gent. He was sacked on 30 September 2013, due to poor results.

Fernández was appointed as the new manager of Deportivo de La Coruña on 10 July 2014, succeeding Fernando Vázquez. He was relieved of his duties on 9 April of the following year, with the team eventually narrowly escaping relegation.

In the summer of 2015, Fernández signed for Real Madrid as youth system coordinator. He left the Santiago Bernabéu Stadium in 2017, and on 17 December 2018 he returned to Zaragoza for a third stint as manager replacing the dismissed Lucas Alcaraz.

Fernández resigned on 18 August 2020, after losing the play-off semi-finals to Elche CF. On 11 March 2024, after nearly four years without a club, he returned to Zaragoza for his fourth spell.

Honours
Zaragoza
 * Copa del Rey: 1993–94
 * UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 1994–95

Celta
 * UEFA Intertoto Cup: 2000

Porto
 * Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira: 2004
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Talk:Magnum, P.I.

previous owner of Robin's Nest, Eve Anderson
The wikipedia article states that Robin's Nest was also known locally as "The Anderson Estate" after long-time owner, local politician Eve Anderson. But a search engine lookup does not show any local politician named Eve Anderson. However, there is a former mayor of Honolulu from 1981 to 1985 named Eileen Anderson. Does anyone know whether Eve Anderson (previous owner of Robin's Nest) and this former mayor of Honolulu Eileen Anderson, are actually one and the same person? Or if they are two different people, is there any connection between the two?

EnterOnce (talk) 16:41, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 10 December 2020

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move, after extended time for discussion. BD2412 T 19:46, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Magnum, P.I. → Magnum, P.I. (1980 TV series) – Re-requesting this move per WP:SMALLDETAILS and WP:NOPRIMARY. SMALLDETAILS states that something minor, such as a comma in this case, is not sufficient enough for disambiguation. Given the popularity of the 1980 TV series and the rising popularity of the 2018 TV series (currently in its third season) there appears to be NOPRIMARY topic. A disambiguation page should be created Magnum, P.I. with links to both series as well as Thomas Magnum. Magnum P.I. can redirect to that disambiguation page. The Doctor Who (talk) 19:29, 10 December 2020 (UTC) —Relisting.  BD2412  T 07:38, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The series is the primary topic and a hatnote works perfectly fine. Nothing has changed since the last time this was rejected. -- Calidum  19:41, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It wasn't rejected, it was closed with no consensus, there's a difference. I supported the move last time and I support again so you're right nothing has changed. Just like Hawaii Five-O (1968 TV series)/Hawaii Five-0 (2010 TV series) the comma is not sufficient for WP:SMALLDETAILS and should be moved. Also with the Five-O and Five-0 example as well as MacGyver (2016 TV series) and MacGyver (1985 TV series) there is no primary topic at this point. |Magnum_P.I._(2018_TV_series) looking at page views from the last month it appears most people were looking for the reboot with over 10k more page views. Although I am aware that WP:RECENTISM is a thing so that's why I say there's no primary. The Doctor Who  (talk) 20:22, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * weak oppose - I wouldn't be too confident about this proposal The reboot has run a few seasons. When the reboot reaches the fifth or sixth season, then we can reconsider. George Ho (talk) 20:57, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose – we've already been over this: the original is the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and will be remembered long after the wan and ridiculous "remake" has been utterly forgotten. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:11, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak support: I agree with George Ho's premise that a one-season reboot that didn't catch on wouldn't be worthy of the disambiguation. There's a big difference between one season and two, a big difference between two seasons and three... but at that point, I think the difference between a third season and "a fifth or sixth season" is pretty small. IJBall's comment about "the wan and ridiculous 'remake'" is blatantly WP:IDONTLIKEIT; I get their point about the relative importance of the two series, but their openly-stated venom undercuts that argument. My reason for "weak support" rather than "support" is respect for last year's discussion. — Toughpigs (talk) 22:13, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * No it's "blatantly" about long-term significance – which the remake won't have. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:54, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I somewhat agree with Toughpigs, I wouldn't call it "blatantly" but it's definitely approaching it I think. You're calling the remake "wan and ridiculous," saying it "won't be notable," and will be "utterly forgotten" only because you don't like it which is your basis for calling the original the primary topic. In other words, your primary topic argument is based on IDONTLIKEIT facts. The Doctor Who  (talk) 00:31, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, the fact that the remake is objectively terrible (which it is), is only a small part of this. The original was a Top #10 show in the era of a three TV network universe, and was an influential TV series. The remake is a Friday night 'also ran' in an era when no one under the age of 50 even watches broadcast television (or remember that it's there). Oh, and the remake wouldn't even exist without the original. I'm generally even somewhat sympathetic to the idea that disambiguation is sometimes a good idea – but this is 100% a case where disambiguation is completely superfluous and unnecessary. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:19, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a better argument; you should have led with that. —  Toughpigs (talk) 03:36, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The Friday night death slot has nothing to do with the series notability, especially in its current state. CBS has built a Friday evening schedule that consistently wins the evening in viewing figures over the other networks and has for the last few years. Five-0 ran for seven seasons in that slot (cancelled for reasons other than viewing figures), Blue Bloods is airing its eighth season in that slot, MacGyver its fifth, and now Magnum its second in that slot. I specifically remember reading a lot of articles saying Five-0 wasn't going to last after its move to Friday but it ran more seasons in that slot than it did on Monday's. You must be extremely delusional with that under 50 statement btw because I'm definitely not that old and have watched it my entire life . Anyways, I also don't necessarily feel it's completely fair to compare it to the fact that the original was top ten show (again its a factor but not a dealbreaker for me). In an era where streaming television, more networks, more than three networks, pirating, a greater variety of shows from other countries, streaming services, etc. are available at the drop of a hat its expected that it won't be top ten. Just like you can't equally compare the value of a dollar now to the value of a dollar in 1980 you can't compare the ranking/viewing figures of television shows now to something from the 1980 without taking other factors into account. The Doctor Who  (talk) 04:10, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Just to clear something up, both you and Alex have made this "notability" argument – "notability" has nothing to do with this: we aren't debating whether an article should exist (we're well past that discussion). We are debating two things: 1) whether the original series is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (I'm arguing that it clearly is), and 2) is the current article title arrangement currently serving as a significant disservice to our readers? (again, I'll argue that this current arrangement is far from disserving our readers – no one is failing to find the correct "Magnum" article, in most cases in just one single click). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:28, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * One other point – more than one person has made the "number of seasons" argument, as it that somehow demonstrates, or "proves", reader interest. Again, that doesn't have much to do with anything – Yes, Dear ran 6 seasons and I doubt many people are looking that article up these days! Meanwhile, Firefly ran just a single season and plenty of people still seem interested in that one. So, multiple TV seasons = WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, or = WP:NOPRIMARY in this situation, is not a strong argument to make. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:33, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * "Oh, and the remake wouldn't even exist without the original." Okay, and? There is absolutely nothing that says that originals should never be disambiguated. That's folly. Given that Magnum P.I. (2018 TV series, season 1) exists where it does, would you say that the first season of the original series should be located at Magnum, P.I. (season 1), if it existed? No, because we need to disambiguate between articles of nearly-identical subjects. Same applies here.
 * "is the current article title arrangement currently serving as a significant disservice to our readers?" Yes. Why? "no one is failing to find the correct "Magnum" article, in most cases in just one single click" Concerning pageviews, this explains the very similar number of views that each page receives, in that many editors likely end up at the wrong article and have to use the hatnote to get to the correct one.
 * If you're going to comment about what is not a "strong argument to make", rescind the latter half of reason you submitted your !vote with, as it's based solely on your opinion, and thus not a "strong argument to make". -- / Alex /21  06:47, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Came here from WT:TV. Just because the original series is older, does not make it the primary topic. That seems to be a main outlook. Looking at the |Magnum_P.I._(2018_TV_series) pageviews between the two articles, they both actually receive a similar number of views, and a majority of those that land at this article are likely looking for the current version, and the 2018 revival has already received two renewals, making it clearly notable. One's views on the remake, whether it's a great series or a ridiculous remake, are irrelevant, we look at facts and not our position on the series. -- / Alex /21  23:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Try reading WP:PRIMARYTOPIC #2 – "primary topic" is not just about page views (and never has been), esp. page views that are currently skewed because the "remake" is currently airing. Get back to us in 2 decades, and let's see if anybody even remembers the recent version. (Hint: They won't.) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:54, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I also mentioned page views above, that wasn't my sole reason for requesting the move but it was a factor. You are correct it isn't "just about page views" but they should be taken into consideration and Alex's analysis of them are correct. I also took WP:RECENTISM into account which you mentioned above but with the series heading into its third year (currently in its third season) it's beginning to move beyond recentism and is becoming long term which again is what Toughpigs was getting to above. The Doctor Who  (talk) 00:31, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you intend to reply to every support comment you disagree with? I never said it was just about page views, just that they are a worthy statistic worth noting. Sounds like that last sentence of yours is WP:OR and, again, WP:IDONTLIKEIT, quoted now by three editors. Please reply when you are able to put your personal views about the series aside. Thank you. -- / Alex /21  01:11, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but WP:OR applies to only article content, not discussions like this. That's what policy says. We can express our original thoughts and researches but only in discussions. BTW, I wonder whether you can express your original thoughts/researches in merely discussions. George Ho (talk) 03:21, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * "Sounds like". And we certainly can, but we cannot base our decisions off of our personal thoughts. -- / Alex /21  06:38, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * No offense, but I've seen you linking a redirect to WP:AADD, an essay about deletion discussions. But then IDON'TLIKEIT should have also referred to WP:AADP, also an essay. Essays have roles to give advices to any editor, yet not either every editor or a whole community would either agree with the essay or try to upgrade it to a guideline/policy. Furthermore, per WP:PAG, the shortcut is not the policy; the plain-English definition of the page's title or shortcut may be importantly different from the linked page. How a consensus is weighed depends on the results of the discussion. George Ho (talk) 07:58, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support move. We're in a NOPRIMARY situation by this point.  O.N.R.  (talk) 10:05, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per WP:ASTONISH and long-term significance and the new series is not dominant over the original in page views. Fairly certain that the moment the new series is cancelled, its views will drop to background noise, while the original will maintain. -- Netoholic @ 16:11, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per discussion, already at the correct primary per longterm significance. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:44, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: Alternative proposal This was previously discussed in the last RM and so I'm gonna bring it back up. WP:SMALLDETAILS also says [...] by such disambiguation techniques as hatnotes and/or disambiguation pages. When such navigation aids are in place, small details are usually sufficient to distinguish topics, e.g. MAVEN vs. Maven; Airplane vs. Airplane!; Sea-Monkeys vs. SeaMonkey; The Wörld Is Yours vs. other topics listed at The World Is Yours. This situation could also be similar with Magnum, P.I. vs. Magnum P.I. What would the thoughts be on moving Magnum P.I. (2018 TV series) to Magnum P.I.. As long as there is a navigational aid is in place it would meet small details and shouldn't be an issue? The Doctor Who  (talk) 00:10, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Best to wait for this discussion to close. BTW, even most casual readers wouldn't know the clear difference between the two versions without parenthetical disambiguation. George Ho (talk) 02:10, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, should've addressed that. I definitely didn't plan on taking any action until this was closed. Just exploring alternatives for down the road with the way this discussion is currently going. I think that second point is kinda my point here though. I feel the average reader wouldn't know the difference between any of the examples mentioned above (I certainly didn't, other than maybe The World Is Yours example) but per SMALLDETAILS as long as there's a navigational aid it shouldn't matter. The Doctor Who  (talk) 04:26, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I think the remake needs the by-year parenthetical disambig., and so should stay where it is. IMHO, I also think that this is how Hawaii Five-O should have been handled – the original should have stayed at Hawaii Five-O, and the remake should have gone to/stayed at Hawaii Five-0 (2010 TV series), but that RM went in a different direction. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:09, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Quantum Leap "crossover"
This should (probably?) go on the Quantum Leap page, because Magnum had finished by the time QL started, but there were plans to have Sam Beckett leap into Magnum at the beginning of QL's fifth series. Test footage of the leap was shot, but the episode wasn't made, and was replaced with the JFK special. More here: https://www.cbr.com/tv-legends-did-sam-beckett-almost-leap-into-magnum-p-i/ 82.27.88.79 (talk) 18:04, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Larry Carlton
Is there a solid source stating that Larry Carlton played guitar in the version of the theme used on the television show? The single version of the piece is a completely different recording and sounds more like Carlton's other recordings of the day. Thus, I think the single version is what featured Carlton, and the TV version used a session player (which, yes, Carlton was a session musician, but by 1980 he was more focused on his solo career and side projects for friends). --Sm5574 (talk) 14:58, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Who cares about the Detroit Tigers incident?
As someone who hasn’t really watched the show, pointing out some morons who dressed like the character at a baseball game is irrelevant and distracting. Did they add the entry themselves? It has nothing to do with the show. It might have made headlines in 2017 but it’s nowhere near important enough to be noted on the Wikipedia page of the show. 2600:1700:131:2BA0:0:0:0:46 (talk) 19:33, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Short tandem repeat

Redirection should be added
A redirection should be added from STR to this entry. I'm not sure how to do that. Arnon. 212.235.121.129 21:11, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Make a seperate entry for STR analysis?
I felt I could write a lot more about STR analysis, but it seems like that might warrant its own article rather than muddying up this article with tangential information. Is that typically done, or would it just be asking for a merge in the future? Sekiyu 10:31, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems that Jetskiiracerx made STR analysis on August 7, 2006. Cmcnicoll (talk) 06:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Difference between Microsatellite and short tandem repeat?
I can't see the difference between "microsatellite" and "short tandem repeat". I would appreciate if anybody wrote it. A good way would include adding "short tandem repeat" somewhere in the neat assortment on Repeated sequence (DNA). Thank you. Mortsggah 16:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

There is no difference
Microsatellite and short tandem repeat describe the same thing similar to simple sequence repeat, they should be merged. sdobrin 21:49, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

STR and microsatellites are not the same...
I'd like to point out that merging STR and microsatellite entries will cause problems. Microsatellites are defined as 1-4 bp repeats on their wiki page whereas STRs are defined as 1-10 bp repeats. So they overlap but are not the same. I am also concerned that the boundaries are arbitrary. Note that 'minisatellites' are defined as 10-100bp repeats. Note also there is an entry for 'Y-STRs', which are probably actually microsatellites but the Y-STR terminology is widely used and accepted. To my mind, STRs cover both mini- and micro-satellites and the short 'gap' in between the two definitions. I happen to work on repeats that are most commonly between 7 and 12bp in unit length. In part because the definitions of mini/micro- satellites are not clear I have chosen to call them STRs. At the moment I am tussling with a journal referee who wants me to call them all mini/micro- satellites but I feel that STR is more appropriate in this case. I vote for keeping STR as an entry with links to both mini- and micro-satellite entries. Entamoeba 12:26, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Literatures on categorizing tandem repeats

 * Minisatellite is initially termed by Jeffreys et al. for repetitive region having 10-15 bp core unit.
 * Microsatellite is coined for 2 bp repeat by Litt & Luty.
 * Short tandem repeat seems a rather descriptive phrase; however, to my knowledge, Ali & Wallace are the first authors using it in abbreviated form (STR), and they recognized Jeffreys' minisatellites as examples of STR.
 * Some authors (for example, Li ) recognize microsatellite of 1-2 bp unit, STR of 3-5 bp, minisatellite of 9 bp or longer; however, microsatellite and STR are often synonymized (with 1-5 bp in each unit) while minisatellite is discriminated (with 9-100 bp units). Tautz discussed on this nomenclature, but it is unfortunately unavailable for me.
 * In human genomics, tandem repeats with a unit size of 6 bp or longer are usually recognized as minisatellites (Näslund et al., for example). I guess the reason is that people recognize telomere-associated minisatellites and human telomere has 6 bp unit length.

My opinion is that Microsatellite, Short tandem repeat, and Simple sequence repeat should be merged, because they are generally regarded as synonyms regardless of size definition. Just FYI, NLM defines a MeSH term "Microsatellite Repeats" including STRs.--Mzaki 14:20, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Merge but as what?
Mzaki illustrates one of my points very well - there is clearly no universally accepted definition for these three terms. I have no objection to the entries being merged, but under what name? Short Tandem Repeat may be 'rather descriptive' but to me that's a good thing! Entamoeba 22:20, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Microsatellite/STR differentiation issues
(NOTE: This is my first post to a talk page, so forgive me if the rules aren't followed. I skimmed them first, and I'll try my best...) While the two terms are utilized in all genetic sciences and may be used interchangably by some individuals, I can speak from a Forensic Science standpoint (I'm a FS Masters student). I still have to look into it and I can add more later under this post, but as far as I know, terms like "minisatellite" and "microsatellite" are considered generic and encompassing of several different types of tandem repeats (VNTRs, AmpFLPs, etc.). An "STR", however, is a specific term for just one variant and has its own internal categories (YSTRs, miniSTRs, autosomal STRs, mtDNA STRs). I'd vote to keep the STR page separate from "microsatellite", but not create a new page for the specifc STR variants until they are relevant enough in their own right. Autosomal STRs (and that is the term forensic scientists/criminalists use) have been used for several years now in allele typing for criminals (especially the 13 loci used for the CODIS database), and their specific relevance to the scientific community gives them the importance to have their own page apart from "microsatellite". YSTRs and miniSTRs are just now coming into vogue, and I'd say they are still in developmental stages, so I'd add them to this page for the time being, and then break them out if they ever become significant in their own right. PatrickTaormina (talk) 15:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, microatellite & STR pages should remain separate. Nagelfar (talk) 10:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

 * I think the two articles should be merged. The literature widely uses the two terms synonymously as can be seen in these textbook links . You can also see that many scientific articles refer to the two terms synonymously, in phrases like  "Short tandem repeat polymorphisms (STRPs, also known as microsatellites)" or "short tandem repeats (microsatellites)" (see for example ). Of course the term STR describe a sequence pattern, while historically 'microsatellite' describes the occurrence of a minor band in a buoyant density gradient centrifugation that is separate from the main chromosomal band. Although this recent paper  does make the distinction that a short tandem repeat is required to exceed a certain critical size to become a microsatelite, the two concepts overlap significantly, and should be discussed in a single article.--İnfoCan (talk) 18:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I would agree, probably under the title simple sequence repeat (SSR). If you read the cited articles above, or one like, the terms are generally interchangeable, with microsat being the colloquial term, SSR or STR being the descriptive one, and di-, tri-, tetra-, etc. nucleotide repeat being the exact description used when necessary. ParinoidMarvin (talk) 02:23, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Merge or make distinction clear
My reading of this talk page and of Talk:Microsatellite convinces me that the merger under discussion since at least 2007 should be undertaken by members of the wikiprojects interested in the topic. But if I am wrong, if the merger is really a bad idea, the articles should be changed to clarify the difference between the two topics and the template suggesting the merger should be removed. I have marked the article as needing attention for that reason. I would work on the article myself but I don't have the background to contribute effectively. 67.100.127.75 (talk) 04:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Should be safe to merge. Will do so now. AIR corn (talk) 07:58, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:José Antonio Primo de Rivera

It´s wrong again
Jose Antonio presente!", which could be translated "I, Jose Antonio, am present!"

Correct translation is Jose Antonio,present without I and am present,normaly together with España,una,España,grande,España,libre,caidos por Dios y por España,presentes,"Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera,presente",Francisco Franco,presente,arriba España,arriba. (Translation <>

This is false,this political party lived in our days,you can see in his page ( http://www.falange.es/ ) and in spanish´s elections you can vote this party. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.24.61.212 (talk) 05:31, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

José Antonio as a given name
The article says that José Antonio became a very common name in Spain after his death. Did it become commoner than before? --Erri4a 21:13, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The statue that was removed in March 2005 was a General Francisco Franco statue. Not José Antonio's.

Entered a new link to an article about his political thought AdrianaInes 12:48, 14 Sept 2006

In the intro, I think that a more accurate translation of 'Falange' would be 'Phalanx', not 'Finger', because though 'Finger' is what 'Phalanx' means, 'Phalanx' preserves the military and historical allusions that I'm sure the Falangists were aiming for.

simply known as José Antonio
Hi there,

The introduction states that Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera is "generally referred to simply as José Antonio". This is true, but almost exclusively in pro-Franco or pro-Falange or sympathiser's circles, at least in Spain. I'm removing it, and editing the rest of the article in that respect to keep NPOV and a modicum of encyclopaedic tone. Also changed a few references to "assassinations" to killings, which is a bit more neutral considering soldiers in a war can only be considered as "assassinated" in very particular circumstances which the article does not in any way validate. Dr Benway 13:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Carried out a number of language edits. Also removed the final phrase "Many Franco-era statues and monuments to fascism have been removed in recent years by the current government", which is true but tendentiously irrelevant to the article. Dr Benway 14:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Falange and Jose Antonio
Falange and Jose Antonio wasn't fascism —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.19.126.127 (talk) 00:03, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

The yoke and the five arrows don't directly represent farming and war, they were famous symbols used by the Reyes_Católicos, which the Falange was referencing. NsMn (talk) 17:42, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

The Possible Relationship between José Antonio and Elizabeth Bibesco
Because Elizabeth Bibesco's (née Elizabeth Asquith, daughter of the former Prime Minister of Great Britain) last novel (The Romantic, 1940) was dedicated to José Antonio, it has been conjectured that there might have been an intimate relationship between the two during the tenure of Prince Antoine Bibesco as Romanian ambassador to Spain in Madrid from 1927-1931. This suspicion is perhaps borne out by the following -

Shortly after the death of Elizabeth Bibesco in 1945, her cousin-in-law, Marthe Bibesco, wrote a long memorial essay. In it Marthe revealed that Elizabeth had shown her a letter written by José Antonio Primo de Rivera from his cell the night before his execution. This letter could have been shown to Marthe at any time after Rivera's execution as Elizabeth and Marthe both resided at the same address in Paris and both spent the war years in Romania. Here is the pertinent part of the text of Marthe Bibesco's "In Memoriam" - "José Antonio Primo de Rivera, à la veille de son exécution, écrivit à Elizabeth Bibesco de sa prison. Elle m'a donné à lire cette lettre; je ne sais pas de plus noble hommage rendu a l'esprit de justice d'une femme par un homme sachant qu'il va mourir. Il en appelait a son jugement. C'est ainsi qu'Elizabeth sur cette terre d'Espagne, déchirée par la passion de l'absolu, eut la force de rester elle-meme."

In her essay, Marthe Bibesco has much to say about how open Elizabeth was to friendships on all sides of the Spanish question, from the exiled King and Queen to Azana (to whom, from London, she unsuccessfully appealed for the release of José Antonio), Madariaga and Dr. Marenion. Of Elizabeth's relationship with Jose Antonio, Marthe wrote, "Elizabeth Bibesco inspire confiance et la plus vive sympathie à l'homme meme qui allait incarner la réaction espagnole et mourir pour sa défence: José  Antonio Primo de Rivera." I'm not sure that "la plus vive sympathie" can be interpreted as "love" but it goes some way toward explaining the dedication in The Romantic - "To Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera - I promised you a book before it was begun. It is yours now that it is finished - Those we love die for us only when we die - "

I have it on the authority of Elizabeth Bibesco's daughter that all Elizabeth's papers (probably including this letter) were destroyed during the war in Romania.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.35.57.99 (talk) 02:31, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Death
The following quote is provided:

"The young dynamic leader of the Falange was, like his father, a great admirer of Great Britain and spoke fluent English. He had been repelled by Hitler on his one visit to Nazi Germany in the Spring of 1934 and regarded the Nazi officials he met with as depressing and rancorous. Had he lived, a major struggle between him and Franco would probably have been inevitable. Unlike the dour Franco, Jose Antonio was an accomplished orator, intellectual and parliamentarian. His execution by Republican forces in 1936 was a grave mistake."

I am of the opinion that the last sentence should be left out, as it has no bearing on the rest of the quote, and is POV. 82.176.209.52 (talk) 13:01, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

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What does this mean?
In the opening section: "A founder of a Fascist party, he critically fascistised afterwards, as he progressively radicalised in an anti-conservative direction". I can't make sense of this sentence. Should probably be changed but I don't know to what. Vectoor (talk) 15:04, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, that paragraph is a list of several apparent contradictions in his life. He founded an unmistakably fascist party. Yet his personal political thought became more fascist afterwards (because blablabla).--Asqueladd (talk) 16:04, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Many problems with this article
The expression in English is poor with too verbose a style. I had a change (small one) to the syntax reverted by talk:Asqueladd in 2020. Asqueladd, you need to be aware of your limitations in writing in English. Please accept that there are native English speakers that think they know better. It is hardly encouraging that someone like me, trying to be helpful, has a syntax edit reverted. It is amazing that Asqueladd does not question himself after somebody above already flagged, sorry to say, this gibberish. Yet the problem above is the tip of the iceberg. The article has other issues with expression, needless quotes, and worst of all, the neutrality of the point of view, in common with many other articles on Spanish history. This does not happen much in comparable areas elsewhere e.g. in relation to French history (an area I know well) be that in French or in English. The net result is that frighten off people like me that could genuinely help and readers have to put up with mediocrity in relation to Spanish affairs on English Wikipedia. TGcoa (talk) 00:33, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It just means he founded a Fascist party but he personally fascistised further after that. Is it supposed to come across as "contradictory"? Well, yes... PRECISELY. Because it is in a paragraph detailing the apparent contradictions in his biography, which is how the cited source presents the individual. I am aware of my limitations and I welcome any improvement in the prose, but you probably are not aware you should not modify sourced content... without consulting the source. You could have just asked what the source stated instead of modifying the lead to fit something nor supported by the source, or coming here acrimoniously to drop name-calling (conveying something akin to a personal attack). By the way, surely the English-language has a "non-verbose" way to express that the biography of an individual features contradictions, although you are hellbent on removing it, even if it is sourced.--Asqueladd (talk) 05:24, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Complicity in coup
The phrase "even though he had been imprisoned long before the insurrection of July 18" seems intended to imply that suggestions of his involvement in the coup were absurd, even though just the previous sentence states that "In both Madrid and in Alicante, he was able to maintain intermittent secret contact with the Falange leadership and, several times, with General Emilio Mola". 2A00:23C5:1203:CE01:A9D1:A753:5A70:6488 (talk) 13:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

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Mr Kipling

Mr Kipling is a brand of cakes, pies and baked goods made in Carlton, South Yorkshire and Stoke-on-Trent, and marketed in the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia and North America. It was introduced in May 1967 (at a time when cakes were more often bought from local bakers), to sell cakes of a local baker's standard to supermarkets, and grew to become the United Kingdom's largest cake manufacturer by 1976.

Mr Kipling's Cakes were made by the RHM subsidiary known as Manor Bakeries Ltd. which also produced products under the Lyons and Cadbury names. The Cadbury cakes are produced under licence from Cadbury plc, the owners of the brand name.

Branding
The brand was created in the 1960s by Rank Hovis McDougall, which wanted to boost cake sales and utilise a new bakery. The brand was launched in 1967 and included 20 products sold in premium boxes. The name, Mr. Kipling, was invented for marketing purposes.

With advertising using the phrase "exceedingly good cakes", and television adverts which originally featured the voice of actor James Hayter, the brand had become the market leader in the United Kingdom by 1976, a position it still holds over forty years later. Varieties of single-serving and individually wrapped cakes have also been marketed.

Around 2005, the manufacturers briefly experimented with another new logo and a striking pack design: pack-fronts simply consisting of the words "Mr Kipling", the name of the cake, and the phrase "Exceedingly good cakes" in a more formal, classic typeface; the only image of the cake on each pack-front was a close-up of one part of it, used as a background image for the entire pack. Around the same time, the write-ups on the back of their packaging once again purported to be written by the person of Mr Kipling. Shortly afterwards, however, the pack design and brand image wholeheartedly returned to its roots. The logo introduced at the time was very closely based on the original one, featuring a traditional-style font in a gold-edged shape, the packs feature images of the cake(s), and various product features and write-ups are featured on the pack-front. In 2009, the pack designs were slightly revamped, with more emphasis put on the name of each product; the write-ups on the back of the pack no longer purport to be written by Mr Kipling.

Premier Foods also introduced what it termed 'Snap Pack' packaging (now renamed 'Snack Pack'), providing cakes in individually sealed plastic packs to keep them fresh. It quickly became a top-seller for the brand.

In 2018, the brand redesigned their packaging for the North American and Australian markets. The new design aimed for a more contemporary and distinctive look to attract new customers, steering away from Mr. Kipling's heritage. However, Mr. Kipling's wordmark logo remained the same. Furthermore, the brand's UK slogan "exceedingly good cakes" was replaced with "make every day delicious" for the international market.

Products
Mr. Kipling's signature product range includes:

Slices

 * Almond slices
 * Carrot cake slices
 * Angel slices
 * Lemon layered slices
 * Bakewell slices
 * Chocolate slices
 * Country slices
 * Unicorn slices
 * Trifle tarts (since 1990)

Pies and Tarts

 * Bramley apple & blackcurrant pies
 * Bramley apple pies
 * Mini fruit pie selections
 * Cherry bakewells
 * Mini bakewells selections
 * Jam tarts
 * Mini sponge tart selections

Goodies

 * French fancies
 * Lemon fancies

Biscuits

 * Viennese whirls

Cakes

 * Manor house cake
 * Battenberg
 * Mini battenbergs

French Fancies
Mr Kipling French Fancies are small sponge cakes, topped with a hemisphere of vegetable-oil "buttercream". The cakes are coated with fondant icing, with several varieties drizzled with a second colour. Standard varieties are pink ("vanilla") with white drizzle, yellow ("lemon") with brown drizzle, and brown (chocolate) with dark brown drizzle.

While cocoa is cited in the ingredients list, strawberry and lemon are not. The cakes are 30% sugar.

French Fancies were among the 20 varieties of cake that were part of the initial Mr Kipling launch in 1967.

In September 2008, Mr Kipling announced the Big French Fancy, a large cake which can be sliced into portions. A limited edition appeared in 2012, renamed British Fancies, containing cakes in red, white and blue. Supermarket and home-made copies are called Fondant Fancies.

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Husula

Husula is a village and district in Hamina, Finland. It is located approximately 3 kilometres north from the town centre. Before the town of Hamina and municipality of Vehkalahti consolidated at the beginning of 2003, Husula was part of Vehkalahti. Together with the neighboring Salmenkylä, it comprises one of the biggest population centers in Hamina, with a population of nearly 2,000.

Husula has played a part in Finnish history. In the 18th century when Sweden and Russia were at war, Swedish King Gustav III and his army rested in Husula before they tried to attack Russian-occupied Hamina.

Husula has two old cemeteries which are separated by the National road 7. Formerly the northern cemetery belonged to the Vehkalahti congregation and the southern one to the Hamina congregation, but now they both belong to the unified Hamina congregation.

Services

 * Marian Tarha and Marinkujan Päiväkoti, kindergartens
 * Husula School, a primary school with classes 1-6
 * Sale Husula, a grocery store

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Little Big Adventure 2

Little Big Adventure 2 is a 1997 adventure game developed by Adeline Software International and published by Electronic Arts.

It was later re-released by Activision in July 1997 in North America under the name Twinsen's Odyssey. In July 1997, both Electronic Arts and Virgin Interactive Software re-released LBA 2 - Virgin Interactive Software doing so under the name of "Twinsen's Odyssey". LBA 2 sold over 300,000 copies worldwide. Versions for Sega Saturn and PlayStation were planned but never released.

The game is a sequel to Little Big Adventure (also known as Relentless: Twinsen's Adventure). LBA 2 was also the third game created under the label of Adeline Software International. The game features three-dimensional environments and full-motion video, and all of its music is in CD-DA quality.

In October 2011 Little Big Adventure 2 was re-released digitally on GOG.com and in October 2015 on Steam. In October 2021 both Little Big Adventure 1 and 2 engines source code were released under the GPL.

Gameplay
Little Big Adventure 2 has two viewing modes - for indoor scenes it uses a 3D isometric perspective (the game field is rotated 45 degrees) like its predecessor, but for outdoor scenes a 3D perspective view is used. All characters and vehicles are 3D polygon-based objects, allowing for full rotation and movement abilities. The interior game field is divided in scenes (a small block of the game that is active). After completion of certain tasks the player is presented with a full motion video sequence. All text in the game is spoken by the characters. The LBA world is considered extremely large and varied for games of its time. There are three planets to visit, with Twinsun and Zeelich containing their own islands, each with their own unique graphical style. Essentially every character in the game is interactive and will respond differently when Twinsen speaks to them.

Like its predecessor, LBA 2 is real-time adventure. It combines several action game/arcade sequences and some elements from the role-playing game genre. The game's gameplay is partially free-roaming, allowing the player to travel around the islands once they have been "unlocked" by completing certain objectives; there are also many tasks which are optional or non-linear. Certain locations in the game are initially blocked from the player until they progress to a certain stage.

Almost all characters can be talked to, and enemies are often performing tasks while the game world is active.

Plot
After Twinsen defeated FunFrock at the end of Little Big Adventure, Twinsun was peaceful, until a sudden storm covered Citadel Island. The Dino-Fly, a creature encountered in LBA is struck by lightning and crashes in Twinsen and Zoe's garden. Twinsen seeks help from Ker'aooc, a healing wizard, who lives on Desert Island, but ferry crossings are cancelled. He aids Bersimon, the island's weather wizard, resulting in the clouds disappearing. After the storm, alien creatures, who call themselves Esmers, land on the planet, under a false diplomatic guise and Twinsen begins training under the Wizard's School after hearing of missing children on the planet. The Esmers use their army to secretly capture Twinsun's Children and openly invite the Wizards to their planet (which is revealed later to be a trap to capture them). After graduating as a wizard, Twinsen is informed by his master of the possible plot of the Esmers and is sent to investigate their planet by accepting their invitation to all Wizards. Once Twinsen lands on Zeelich (the Esmers' two-layered, Venus-like home planet), the invitation proves to be a trap and he is arrested on the landing port. After tricking one of the guards with the help of another prisoner, Twinsen manages to escape imprisonment and escapes the planet in one of the ships. He eventually crashes in the mountains of Citadel Island, where he is attacked by an Esmerian soldier. After defeating him and making his way into the city, he discovers that the Esmers have taken over the planet and have imposed martial law. After going home to check on Zoe he finds out that Baldino has left him a protopack (Prototype Jetpack; it can hover, not fly) in the warehouse, he retrieves it and sets out to find his friend. Once making it to Desert Island he finds out that Baldino has disappeared, he proceeds to investigate his house and discovers that Baldino has built a spacecraft and for some reason went to Emerald Moon (Twinsun's moon). He visits the Wizard's School and learns from his master that in order to proceed in his journey and face the Esmers, who prove to be more than he can handle, he must obtain a powerful artifact from beneath Citadel Island.

Home to several different species, Zeelich is a two-layered planet, the upper layer located above the sea of toxic gas that plagues the planet. The lower layer is located beneath the gas. Its inhabitants await the day when a certain prophecy will be fulfilled, and the Dark Monk, the shadow god, will emerge and restore Zeelich.

Twinsen eventually gathers together four fragments making up a key which must be placed inside a little temple on Celebration Island. He unmasks Dark Monk, who is really FunFrock, the villain from the first game. He kills FunFrock, and returns to stop the moon of Twinsun crashing into the planet.

Development
The music of Little Big Adventure 2 is composed by the French composer Philippe Vachey.

Reception
Little Big Adventure 2 sold above 300,000 units by August 1999. GameSpot reported that Twinsen was famous in France, but was an obscure character in USA.

Robert Coffey of Computer Gaming World said that the game has unparalleled sense of marvel and imagination, engaging story, and deft mix of action and adventure. GameSpot's Ron Dulin gave the game 8.1 out of 10, saying that the fans of adventure games will not miss this title. José Dias of Adventure Classic Gaming called Relentless: Twinsen's Adventure an original and intriguing adventure game and gave it a 4 out of 5.

Next Generation rated it four stars out of five, generally praising the gameplay and the story, and recommended to anyone who love action/adventure games.

Little Big Adventure 2 was a runner-up for Computer Gaming World's 1997 "Adventure Game of the Year" award, which ultimately went to The Curse of Monkey Island. The editors called Little Big Adventure 2 a "charming" 3D action/adventure hybrid.

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