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User talk:TriNotch

This is my talk page.

One of the things my talk page is notable for is the (accidental) hosting of a debate about excavations at Monk's Mound at Cahokia Mounds in August 2007. Rather than leaving that debate on the talk page in its original form, I have archived it here.

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Devine Direction Theory
TriNotch, thank you for your professionalism, I appreciate the suggestion.

Mississippian
Hello. Welcome to Wikipedia. Your contributions are welcome. In the future, instead of creating a whole separate article, it is good to add to existing articles. :) One can move articles if you feel the title is inappropriate. Right now Mississippian culture and Mississippian civilization probably should be merged into one article. -- Decumanus 04:50, 2004 Dec 15 (UTC)

I added a number of links to the Mississippian culture article. I was going to link to mound until I noticed that it redirects to barrow and only discusses British types. We also have no articles on mound building, mound builder, mound building culture, mound building civiliation. Perhaps you could add to these areas. Rmhermen 04:55, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

Native American Prehistory
Hi! I've been working on archaeological cultures, sites and artifacts in the American southwest for the past few months. I have plans to create a Prehistoric America structure or tree dealing with various cultural aspects. Big job. But, to start with, I've put a list of cultures in Native American pottery. If you have clay/pottery info from the southeast, it would be very welcome. Look forward to working with you. WBardwin 21:21, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I probably should have written back on this sooner, but I will definitely contribute as soon as I can. I took a look, and made a couple of very minor edits in some areas, but it does look like more is needed.  I'll get back to it when I get a chance.  TriNotch 01:49, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Archaeology and the Book of Mormon
Thanks for being respectful. I've responded to your note at Archaeology and the Book of Mormon. Let me know if you are interested in the Cahokia pics. May take a while to dig them up and scan them in... -Visorstuff 20:35, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Respectful archaeology is what I'm all about. I'm definitely interested in the Cahokia pics, but take your time.  I'm glad my edits could help.  TriNotch 01:49, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Metallurgy
Thanks for following up on Hopewell culture. I wanted to remove the reference to metallurgy altogether but couldn't spare the research (I have an exam on Eastern North American archaeology in 20 minutes :) silsor 16:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Which I did well in ... silsor 20:30, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Funny, I just took a similar exam this afternoon. I also did well.  TriNotch 21:59, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Native American cultures
I recently started a list article (List of archaeological cultures in North America) but I can't say I am satisfied with the organization of the list. I am less worried about the incompleteness as I mostly just linked to pre-existing Wikipedia articles. Any ideas on how to do this better? Any major things missing? Rmhermen 16:12, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You recently changed the dates of early Woodland and middle Woodland in this article. I reverted these changes to keep it in line with the Woodland period article. Possibly that article is incorrect? Rmhermen 22:01, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, it is both right and wrong. The 0 AD or 300 BC limit is purely arbitrary, and depends on the adoption of particular traits in particular areas.  Most researchers generalize the time periods as 1000-0, 0-500, and 500-1000 for convenience- but the Woodland period article correctly identifies the Middle Woodland Hopewell culture as starting before that, so... Its a grey area.  I prefer 0 AD for general description and specific centuries for particular cultures, like the Hopewell or Swift Creek (200 BC and 100 AD respectively).  I may go change the dates in both articles again.  TriNotch 22:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi TriNotch,

Thanks for the welcome (you posted on my userpage).

I just discovered that somebody has been messing with the Lenape page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenape). I'm not sure how to go about fixing it or I would do it myself. Also not sure this is the best way to send you a message, as I'm a Wikipedia newbie and unsure about the various rules of ettiquette, etc.

Thanks, Doppelbock 16:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

TriNotch, thanks for the feedback you posted on my user page -- glad to see I wasn't violating etiquette ;-). I am really just a layman who is interested in the Adena, Hopewell and their descendants; I don't really have much to contribute here.  I live in Ohio, just a few miles from the Miamisburg mound, and have become fascinated with pre-Columbus Native American cultures.  Really I'm just surfing around here trying to find if anybody knows who the descendants of the Hopewell are.  I'm starting to think that it's all so mixed up, what with intermarraiges and taking of captives and whatnot, that probably everybody is related to everybody else!

Thanks, Doppelbock 11:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the info, especially the books you suggested! If you don't mind answering just one more dumb question, since I gather you are very knowledgable regarding Cahokia -- I have come across two different versions of how the Lenape originally migrated to the Delaware River area. One version (I believe the Lenape's own tribal history) has it that the Lenape migrated from the west, encountered the "Allegewi" at Cahokia, defeated them with the help of the Iroquois, then journeyed on eastward. (I recall one source saying this happened around 1300 A.D.) Another version has it that the Lenape actually came not from the west, but from north of Lake Superior, and encountered the "Allegewi" at the Detroit River. This latter version seems to be more commonly accepted. Do you have any insight into this? Thanks for all the help! Doppelbock 18:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad my dumb question prompted something useful! Here is one link that might prove helpful (though I'm not sure what the pedigree of this information is): http://www.daytonhistorybooks.citymax.com/page/page/2651180.htm. I really haven't been able to find anything recent and authoritative on this subject. I'd also be interested to know if you have any insight into who the Allegewi/Tallegewi might have been. (Some references indicate they may have been predecessors to the Cherokee.) Thanks! Doppelbock 12:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Walum Olum/ Walam Olum
You mentioned "textual evidence" that the Walam Olum was a hoax, but I am not sure what the evidence was. Moreover, this debunking appears to be relatively new and carried on by a few authors. Shouldn't we take said debunking with a grain of salt? — Rickyrab | Talk 04:13, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I would also like to know what the textual evidence was. Marburg72 20:37, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Jade/Greenstone
Hi TriNotch; thanks for the props! Saw your bit on greenstone:
 * New Zealand greenstone, which is geologically jade, and other greenstone, which is distinctly not jade. There is also no section on Native American greenstone use.

and did a double-take, as jade/greenstone plays a big role in BC history and also to some degree (though not as much as you'd expect) in native cultures here; world's largest deposit of nephrite and all that. Not sure what sources I can dig up for you on NW Coast/Plateau jade use but I'll try; it had a famous role in the gold rushes of '58-'66 as the Chinese crated up "black rocks" and shipped them to China without explanation; apparently a lot of the jade carvings you might be on import from China are made from BC jade, either bought/exported during the last hundred and fifty odd years, or possibly traded tribe-to-tribe into China over the centuries (no one's sure). Anyway, I'm not sure jade was ever of much utility around here because of the presence of more useful stones (argillite, obsidian - nephrite shatters easily, as you may know, unlike jadeite as used in Mexican technology).Skookum1 16:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Synchronic
Thank you for providing links to synchronic. But I notice that you used external links. It seems to me it is easier and more attractive to use inter-wiki links as in this change. --teb728 00:05, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

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laughable
you compare the minoans with the missisippian culture, if we accepted your date 2000 bc you realize 2000 b.c happend before 800 a.d so tell me did that culture have the knowledge of the wheel which is as basic as fire,so in doing so you make your arguement look small and pathetic.I think i have found the first case of native american centric face it friend the native north americans were no different from sub sahran africans--Wikiscribe (talk) 16:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Cahokia
Hey there TriNotch, thanks for pointing out my silly misreading of the statement about the Grand Plaza. However, I have once again replaced the uncited statement with a simple measurement, because I looked pretty far and pretty wide for anything saying that Grand Plaza was "largest" and couldn't find anything. So, maybe we can leave the statement out until it's cited? Murderbike (talk) 04:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I have not doubt it is, I just hate seeing those annoying "citation needed" tags lying around articles. Cheers! Murderbike (talk) 04:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, so I was looking at your userpage, and I really like your attitude about archaeology. I just started working on an article about the Marmes Rockshelter in my user space, and thought you might be a good person to get a little guidance from on it, since I'm way more in to regular ol history than archaeology. The only real question I have, is whether or not I should refer to the site in the present or past tense. But any other opinions about my progress would be more than welcome. Murderbike (talk) 08:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for the contributions, and compliments! Don't worry about the userspace thing, I very much feel like if somebody does something inappropriate, it can be undone. I definitely don't want to own articles, so contributions from others (especially those with more expertise than myself!) is always welcome. I'll probably take the article live here in a second, and add a little more info as I plow through the several books I got on the subject. Cheers! Murderbike (talk) 20:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Civilization
Heh-- if you want to talk about procrastination, that civilization draft has more or less been collecting virtual dust since last September, when an online collaborative fiction network replaced Wikipedia as my main online diversion. I'm easing my way back into the swing of things right now, and I hope we can make real changes to that article, seeing as how it's a core topic and all. I have to say I'm surprised that that was your first star-- you actually work in the field you write about, and it shows. Fishal (talk) 20:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Crystalinks
Hi TriNotch. Re those apparent copyvios you've tagged for Maya architecture and Maya art- indeed both of these are original wikipedia articles, having been associated with them for some time now, and are not taken from that crystalinks site. In fact, whoever's behind crystalinks would appear to be either a long-term plagiarist, or at least ignorant (wilfully?) of copyrights and licensing. I've several times found passages I know I've written or contributed to appearing on their site (they have a couple dozen pages on Mesoamerican as well as esoteric topics), and as far as I can tell every page there is cobbled together from somewhere else- mainly wikipedia, but also other sources. Sometimes they interweave passages taken from wikipedia with other material, but I feel sure they aren't writing anything original themselves. A lot of their pics seem to be lifted from other sources, eg ''Nat. Geographic, and although there's a simple mention of NG'' I doubt they have permission.

Actually, if you look closely you can see a tiny, tiny one-word hyperlink back to a corresponding wikipedia article- in my book that doesn't satisfy GDFL requirements.

Re whether they should be pinged for these apparent violations- yes, and I believe they have been reported- see Mirrors_and_forks/Abc. Also listed as "low/none compliance" at WP:GFDLC. It seems a GFDL violation letter or two has been sent, with unsatisfactory results thus far. I guess they could be taken further through the non compliance process, and be issued with sterner warnings if someone has the time to do it (though probably better for someone in the same jurisdiction to do this).

Regards, --cjllw ʘ  TALK 07:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Ling.Nut/Funerary art
Hi TriNotch, nice to meet you...User:CJLL Wright thought yu might be a good person to ask for help on the "Americas" section of User:Ling.Nut/Funerary art... interested? Thanks! Ling.Nut (talk) 14:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Hopewell
There's a recent change of dates in the Hopewell article. I suspect it's vandalism - but it could also be a minor true correction. Can You check? Kdammers (talk) 04:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Working on a map
I recently made a map for the Mississippian culture period, and thought since I already had a blank map, I could just add the Hopewell Interaction spere over it and make one for there too. And then as I began to work on it, I thought, why don't I add the associated local expressions of Hopewell over the main image. Swift Creek, Crab Orchard( I think they were hopewell, in southern Illinois?), Marksville, etc. Only it's hard to find a good graphic of each of the individual local expressions. I don't want to add it till I get it at least close to accurate. All of the purple blobs are still pretty loose, would love to tighten them up a little. I'll post my progress here as an example. So if you have what I need, or could point me in the right direction, leave me a note on my talk page. PS, "I believe the taxpayers of the United States (and the rest of the world) fund archaeology ONLY BECAUSE IT IS INTERESTING", definitely agree, even tho I'm not an archaeologist, so I'm also doing my part to spread the word and the love of archaeo and history, cheers!Heironymous Rowe (talk) 07:44, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I worked with a few other people who had suggestions for the Hopewell map, and for the Oneota on the Mississippian culture map. I've still got the original unflattened versions, so I can still redraw the areas if you notice any thing that definitely needs correcting. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 17:50, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Walam Olum
I think the article is improved, more work to be done I'm sure. You might want to read the history (including the edit summaries) as well as the article and talk pages Doug Weller (talk) 10:01, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Red Horn (legend)
Would you mind taking a look at Red Horn (legend)? There is an editor making POV editions, original research, conflict of interest, etc. He wont respond on the talk page, he just keeps reverting everything I do to maintain the neutrality of the article. I'd just like a second opinion, and maybe some advice/help dealing with it. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 04:03, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for going and checking out the situation. I've personally begun avoiding userdiete003. Apart from his attitude, name calling, and refusal to have a dialogue here, I got a snippy email from him too. I'd been controlling my irritation fairly well up til then, but have decided to pull back for awhile and let more experienced and leveler heads deal with him. I hope you don't mind and feel like I've dumped him at your figurative doorstep, I just don't know if I could keep being civil to the gentleman. Hope you have better luck with him than I did and thanks again! Heironymous Rowe (talk) 17:50, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Culture
Hi, I am here to solicit your help. As of a week ago, the culture article was just a total trainwreck. There was a GA and it elicited many reasonable criticisms. I recently did a major revision of the article, although my approach was conservative: I deleted redundancies, deleted fringe and tangential material, and reorganized what was left in an attempt to highlight distinct approaches and points of view. I explain all this in more detail on the talk page starting here (note: the two people who did the GA think my revision is bad and the earlier version should be restored). I admit that my revision has big holes, and i am hoping other editors can help fill them in.

A major hole involves material culture: I do not want to duplicate the archeology article ... I think Culture should be about "culture" and the different views and approaches to conceptualizing and studying culture. But clearly, archeology should be represented in this.
 * what do we know about the evolution of tool-use?
 * what is the relationship between material culture and symbolic or mental culture?
 * how do archeologists conceptualize culture? What are the main debates today among archeologists over how to define and study culture?

I know everyone has other things to work on - any edits you can make would be valuable, I am sure. You may also have suggestions about the organization of the article (e.g. should we have separate sections on cultural anthropology and archeology? or should we have separate sections on Taylor's categories, non-material culture, behavioral culture, and material artefacts of the preceding two?  Or something else?

Anyway, I appreciate any help you can give! Slrubenstein  |  Talk 16:41, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

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Please don't be afraid to reject articles such as Brassica rupestris. Look at all the changes I had to make to remove gobs of confusion and misinformation. The article contradicted itself, and was sourced to mirrors of Wikipedia. Let me or the others editors at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants know if anybody is trying to get an article on a plant moved into mainspace, and we'll try to patch it up at least. Abductive (reasoning) 10:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

 * I appreciate the offer. Some of my other novice editors may be making plant contributions so I will direct them there or point out their work there myself. Thanks for editing their draft. TriNotch (talk) 00:11, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

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Mimico Creek

Mimico Creek is a stream that flows through Brampton, Mississauga and Toronto in the Greater Toronto Area of Ontario, Canada. It is 33 km long, is in the Great Lakes Basin, and is a tributary of Lake Ontario.

The creek's name is derived from the community of Mimico, which is from the Ojibwe word omiimiikaa meaning "abundant with wild pigeons" (c.f. 19th century Mississaugas omiimii, "pigeon"). Previous names included River Mimicoke and Mimicoke Creek.

Course

The watershed of 77 km2 lies between the Humber River to the east and Etobicoke Creek to the west.

The creek begins in Brampton, and flows through the community of Malton (now part of Mississauga); it continues southeast, past Toronto Pearson International Airport; and through a shallow valley surrounded by the urban neighbourhoods of Islington and Mimico. The creek is often encased in a concrete spillway to contain the fast flowing water that occurs during rainstorms. Mimico Creek crosses Bloor Street near the Islington Subway Station, and empties into Lake Ontario about 1000 m west of the mouth of the Humber River.

Originally the creek had dozens of small tributary streams, the largest of which was Bonar Creek, that joined Mimico Creek near its mouth. Most of the tributaries were less than one kilometre long.

Recreation
In the late 1970s and early 1980s, Humber Bay Park was constructed at the mouth of Mimico Creek. The park consists of two headlands, built using landfill from local construction projects that flank the mouth. As a result, Mimico Creek is sometimes mistaken for the Humber River.

Mimico Creek Bridge
In 1994 Mimico Creek Bridge opened to allow pedestrians to access both east and west sections of the park. It is designed by Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava.

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Susitna

Susitna may refer to any of:
 * Susitna Glacier
 * The Susitna River in Alaska
 * Mount Susitna, a mountain near the Susitna River in Alaska
 * The Matanuska-Susitna Valley through which the Susitna River runs
 * The Matanuska-Susitna Borough, a political subdivision in Alaska
 * Susitna, Alaska, a census-designated place in the valley on the river
 * MV Susitna, a ship built for the proposed Knik Arm ferry in Alaska

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Kirkfield Park

Kirkfield Park is a provincial electoral division in the Canadian province of Manitoba. It was created by redistribution in 1979, and has formally existed since the provincial election of 1981. The riding is located in the westernmost tip of the City of Winnipeg. It contains the neighbourhoods of Glendale, Westwood, Kirkfield Park, Woodhaven, Birchwood, Booth, Silver Heights and part of Assiniboia Downs

Kirkfield Park is bordered to the east by St. James, to the south and west by Charleswood, and to the north by Assiniboia. The St Charles and Glendale Country Clubs are in this riding, as are the Chapel Lawn Memorial Gardens and Assumption Cemetery.

The riding's population in 1996 was 20,236. In 1999, the average family income was $63,038, and the unemployment rate was 5.80%. Almost 13% of the riding's population are immigrants, including 6% German and 5% Ukrainian. Over twenty per cent of the riding's residents are over 65 years of age.

The service sector accounts for 15% of Kirkfield Park's industry, followed by 13% in retail trade.

Since its creation in 1981, the seat has been nearly continuously held by the Progressive Conservatives. Previously it was won by the New Democratic Party only twice, in 2007 and 2011, until 2023 when the NDP's Logan Oxenham picked the seat up a third time after having originally been defeated in the previous year's by-election.

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Mark Geragos

Mark John Geragos (born October 5, 1957) is an American criminal defense lawyer and the managing partner of Geragos & Geragos, in Los Angeles.

Early life and education
Geragos was born in Los Angeles, California, where he attended Flintridge Preparatory School in La Cañada, graduating with honors. He earned his bachelor's degree from Haverford College, in 1979, double-majoring in anthropology and sociology, then his Juris Doctor (J.D.) from Loyola Law School at the Loyola Marymount University in 1982. He was admitted to the State Bar of California in 1983.

An Armenian-American, Geragos maintains a close relationship with the Armenian community. He has earned praise from the Armenian National Committee of America, and serves on the Advisory Committee of Birthright Armenia, as the chairman of Armenian Bone Marrow Donor Registry, and also is involved with the Armenian religious community. He has been a member of the Armenia Fund International Board of Trustees since 2006.

Career
Geragos is the managing partner for the law firm of Geragos & Geragos, where he oversees criminal defense and civil litigation. He was one of the lead lawyers in two groundbreaking federal class action lawsuits against New York Life Insurance and AXA, for insurance policies issued in the early 20th century during the time of the Armenian genocide of more than 1.5 million Armenians. The two cases settled for over $37.5 million, in 2004 and 2005.

In December 2022, Geragos partnered with law colleague and MeidasTouch co-founder Ben Meiselas to form Engine Vision Media and acquire Los Angeles magazine from Hour Media.

Office
The firm's office is located on Figueroa Street in Downtown Los Angeles in a former Los Angeles Fire Department fire station, Engine Company No. 28, alongside Kabateck LLP. The 1912 building is listed on the National Register of Historic Places listings in Los Angeles and is jointly owned by Geragos and his investment partner, attorney Brian S. Kabateck, since 2007, among other joint acquisitions; the partners have litigated together and also, in recent years, against one another over their mutual investments.

Notable clients
Geragos first garnered national attention after representing convicted Whitewater figure Susan McDougal, the former business partner of former President Bill Clinton. Geragos requested a presidential pardon for McDougal on January 20, 2001, though the decision was entirely up to former President Clinton, pursuant to Article II of the United States' Constitution. Geragos also represented McDougal in a 12-count embezzlement trial in Los Angeles in which the jury returned a not-guilty verdict.

He has since represented many notable clients, including Gary Condit; suspended NASCAR driver Jeremy Mayfield; Scott Peterson; Scott Barney; Roger Clinton Jr.; Lee Tamahori; Kesha, briefly, in her lawsuit against Dr. Luke, until May 2016; and Clare Bronfman. Other notable clients include:

 * Winona Ryder – In December 2002, Geragos defended Academy Award-nominated actress Winona Ryder on charges of stealing more than $5,500 worth of merchandise from a Beverly Hills, California, store in 2001. With the help from Geragos, she was sentenced only to three years' probation and ordered to undergo psychological and drug counseling.
 * Michael Jackson – In the early stages of the Michael Jackson molestation case, Geragos simultaneously handled this case and the Scott Peterson case, two of the best-known U.S. trials at that time. Geragos's "crushingly busy calendar" in the courtroom earned him a rebuke by a judge in an embezzlement case Geragos was also representing. On April 26, 2004, Jackson removed Geragos as his attorney, replacing him with Thomas Mesereau. In a public statement provided by his spokesperson, Raymone Bain, Jackson said, "It is imperative that I have the full attention of those who are representing me. My life is at stake..." suggesting that Geragos may not have had enough time to handle his case because of his workload. Geragos later said that he was dismayed to see Jackson climb atop an SUV to the cheers of his fans after leaving the Santa Barbara County, California, courthouse in January 2004, when he was first arraigned on the initial complaint. Geragos's co-counsel, Benjamin Brafman, also expressed disapproval of Jackson's actions. "Although [in January] the lawyers explained the behavior as 'Michael being Michael'," The New York Times reported, "they are said to have privately expressed consternation at the display of frivolity in the face of serious charges."
 * Roger Clinton Jr. – Geragos won dismissal of all alcohol-related charges against former President Clinton's brother.
 * Carradine family – He assisted the family of actor David Carradine in the aftermath of his accidental death. Geragos had previously represented a class of plaintiffs that had included actor Keith Carradine, his spouse, actress, attorney Stephen Kolodny, and designer Donna Dubrow in a class-action lawsuit related to private investigator Anthony Pellicano's illegal wiretapping conspiracy and subsequent conviction.
 * Greg Anderson – In 2006, Geragos represented Anderson, who was most notably the personal trainer of Barry Bonds. On July 5, 2006, Anderson was found in contempt of court by U.S. District Judge William Alsup, who jailed Anderson for refusing to testify before a federal grand jury investigating perjury accusations against Bonds. Geragos announced that he would file an appeal based on his assertion that the subpoena to testify violated Anderson's July 2005 plea bargain agreement in the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative case. Anderson was to be held until he agreed to testify or until the grand jury's term expired. Geragos insisted that his client would not testify. The grand jury expired on July 20, 2006, and Anderson was released from prison two weeks later. On August 28, 2006, Anderson was again found in contempt of court for refusing to testify before a newly convened grand jury and sentenced to prison. Anderson was freed on October 5, 2006, after an order from the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals found that the trial judge had committed legal errors. Anderson was later sent back to jail on November 16, 2006.
 * Cameron Brown – Geragos was the attorney for Brown, who was charged with murdering his four-year-old daughter by throwing her off a Rancho Palos Verdes cliff. The twelve-week trial ended in August 2006 without a verdict. The jury deliberated for over nine days but was hopelessly deadlocked and a mistrial was declared by Torrance Superior Court Judge Mark Arnold. With the Brown family's funds depleted, Geragos ended his representation. Subsequently, Judge Arnold appointed Geragos associate Pat Harris, with whom he had tried the case, to represent Brown in a second trial that also ended in a hung jury. A third trial saw him convicted. After the second trial resulted in a hung jury, the Geragos & Geragos firm turned the case over to attorney Herbert M. Barish.
 * Victor Willis – In September 2006, Geragos represented the Village People front man on charges of drug and weapons possession. Facing jail time, Geragos successfully negotiated a sentence of three years probation and treatment for drug addiction at the Betty Ford Clinic.
 * Amphit Dhaliwal and Kulbir Dhaliwal – In December 2007, the two survivors of the tiger attack at the San Francisco Zoo, hired Geragos to represent them against potential criminal charges, and also with the anticipation of filing a lawsuit against the zoo. Despite pressure from city officials, the local police inspector made it clear that there were no grounds for filing criminal charges against the Dhaliwal brothers related to the tiger attack. Geragos filed a federal suit against the Zoo and the City of San Francisco for violation of the Dhaliwal brothers' civil rights, including the Dhaliwals' being subject to search and seizure without probable cause, and for intentional infliction of emotional distress. Geragos settled the civil suit in the early phase of the court process for $900,000.
 * Kazuyoshi Miura – In 2008, Geragos joined the defense of Japanese businessman Miura, who committed suicide before his trial.
 * Chris Brown – Geragos represented Brown, who pleaded guilty to the assault of his then-girlfriend, Rihanna. On February 8, 2009, Geragos brought Chris Brown to surrender to the LAPD. Later, Brown was arrested, and his court date was set to be on March 5, 2009. Geragos and Brown attended the court date, but did not plea and asked for arraignment until the next court date, April 6, 2009. On June 22, 2009, Brown pleaded guilty to one count of felony assault and was sentenced to 5 years' probation and 6 months' community service. However, Brown’s inability to adhere to the rules of his probation ultimately led to his dismissal from rehab and the singer was thrown in jail from March 2014 to June of that year. Under counsel from Geragos, Brown was once again released under probation. Early in 2015, Brown's probation was revoked after he was present in two nightclubs where shootings took place. His probation officer had a problem with the singer traveling to San Jose, to perform at the nightclub where an incident occurred leaving five people shot and injured. Brown was aware his probation could end with the hearing, and before entering the courthouse, he tweeted: "Hopefully this is my last day in court … Pray for me." However, at Brown’s scheduled March 20 court date, with the help of Geragos, Brown’s probation officer reversed course, saying in a positive review that Brown had completed his community service sentence. Los Angeles Superior Court Judge James R. Brandlin concurred, ruling the singer would no longer be under the watchful eye of the judicial system. Geragos said this of his client, “He is in a spot right now and a place right now that I couldn’t be prouder of him,” adding that the end of Brown’s probation is “a monumental feat for him.”
 * Colin Kaepernick – Former 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick first filed a grievance against the NFL in October 2017, claiming that the NFL tried to keep him from playing after he chose to kneel during the national anthem. The quarterback opted out of his contract with the 49ers in March of the same year and was not picked up later in free agency. Kaepernick began kneeling during the 2016 season to protest racial inequality and police brutality. Safety Eric Reid and several other NFL players eventually joined him. Reid, a former teammate of Kaepernick's, was also a member of the grievance Kaepernick filed. After several months of ongoing dialogue with representatives of the NFL, both Kaepernick and Reid withdrew their collusion cases against the National Football League. On February 15, both Geragos and co-counsel Ben Meiselas released a joint statement with the NFL, declaring the resolution of the matter was subject to a confidentiality agreement.
 * Jussie Smollett – Geragos represented Smollett in the 2019 alleged false police report. On March 12, 2019, it was reported that Chicago prosecutors had dropped all 16 criminal charges against Empire star Jussie Smollett as part of a deferred prosecution agreement against him. As part of the conditions of the deal, Smollett did 16 hours of community service and forfeited his $10,000 bond to the city. Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel announced he wanted Jussie Smollett to cover the cost of the Chicago police department’s investigation, which amounted to $130,000. Smollett’s attorneys responded in a statement via NBC News that "Jussie has paid enough". Geragos and his firm also filed a motion to seal the case, which was granted by a judge. On April 23, 2019, Geragos was sued, along with Tina Glandian (another member of Smollett's legal team), under claims of defamation and false light by the Osundairo brothers (originally arrested in connection with an alleged attack on the actor).  However, a defamatory quote the Osundairos attributed to Glandian and Geragos in their lawsuit was in fact, said by their own attorney, Gloria Schmidt. The Osundairo brothers also paraphrased statements they claimed Geragos said on the Reasonable Doubt podcast (which Geragos co-hosts with comic Adam Carolla), alleging Geragos dragged their reps through the mud by indicating the brothers had attacked Smollett, committed perjury and conspired to make false statements to clear their names. Geragos submitted transcripts of his podcast during the time of the criminal legal proceedings, noting he never said the brothers' names, nor did he say or indicate what they attributed to him. The case was dismissed by the judge.
 * Piper Partridge, et al v. City of Benton, Arkansas, et al – In March 2018, Chief U.S. District Judge Brian Miller granted the city of Benton, Arkansas a motion to dismiss a lawsuit that Keagan Schweikle's parents, Piper Partridge and Dominic Schweikle, had filed against the city’s officer, Kyle Ellison, and its police chief at the time, Kirk Lane. However, on July 3, 2019, a federal appeals court reinstated a lawsuit filed in 2017 against Benton police by the parents of the suicidal 17-year-old boy (Keagan) who was shot and killed while complying with an officer's order (Kyle Ellison) to move a gun away from his head. Filed by Geragos and Little Rock attorney Rick Holiman, the lawsuit alleged that Ellison used excessive force when he fired three shots at Schweikle as he stood on a bank facing the river and holding a gun in his right hand after threatening to shoot himself. Miller said that after Ellison ordered Schweikle to drop the gun and the boy moved it away from his head, the intention behind his actions was ambiguous, leaving the officer little choice but to shoot. Miller noted, "Keagan could have quickly pointed the gun at Ellison and opened fire almost instantaneously ... Ellison had a right to protect himself". A three-judge panel of the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis said Miller ruled on the matter too early in the process. In 2019, an 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reversed a lower court finding that a Benton police officer Kyle Ellison had acted reasonably when he fatally shot a suicidal teen, Keagan Schweikle, in October 2016. In March 2018, Chief U.S. District Judge Brian Miller granted the city's motion to dismiss the lawsuit that Keagan Schweikle's parents, Piper Partridge and Dominic Schweikle, had filed against the city, officer Kyle Ellison and its police chief at the time, Kirk Lane. Filed by Geragos and Little Rock attorney Rick Holiman, the lawsuit alleged that Ellison used excessive force when he fired three shots at Schweikle as he stood on a bank facing the river and holding a gun in his right hand after threatening to shoot himself. A panel of federal judges restored the lawsuit over the officer-involved shooting death of 17-year-old Keagan Schweikle of Benton.
 * Scottie Pippen – In February 2014, Scottie Pippen hired Geragos to file a countersuit against a Malibu man who alleged the former NBA All-Star assaulted him at a restaurant last year. Camran Shafighi filed a $4 million lawsuit against Pippen, accusing him of a “brutal and unjustified physical attack" that allegedly occurred outside upscale Nobu restaurant after Shafighi had sought a picture with the former Chicago Bull. In the cross-complaint filed by Geragos earlier in February, alleged Shafighi cursed at Pippen using racial slurs, spat on him and his children and said, "I’m going to kill you". The cross-complaint also alleged that Shafighi was “extremely aggressive and noticeably intoxicated” and calls for unspecified damages "according to proof".
 * Travelers Insurance – Mark Geragos and his law firm—along with multiple clients—are suing Travelers Insurance for initially denying coverage of their pandemic-related claims. The firm says that while it's technically an essential business and not subject to a mandated shutdown, access to its downtown L.A. office has been "greatly limited" and the company has "been forced to deal with a substantial loss in business traffic and client/law-related business activities".
 * Cain Velasquez - Geragos began representing former UFC Heavyweight Champion Cain Velasquez, in defense against criminal charges in Santa Clara County, California, in March 2022.

Alleged involvement in Nike extortion case
Geragos was alleged to have participated in a scheme with attorney Michael Avenatti to extort Nike, but was not charged. At the sentencing hearing, lawyers for Avenatti questioned why Geragos had not been charged. The judge's rationale for reducing Avenatti's sentence was that Geragos was “a central figure in the criminal conduct,” but "suffered no consequences as a result", and "was not even charged.” In November 2019, according to a new indictment filed in Manhattan federal court, conspiracy charges against Michael Avenatti were dropped. The new indictment filed also appears to clear Mark Geragos.

Media
Geragos occasionally appears as both guest and legal commentator on TV. He has appeared on the Today show, Good Morning America, 60 Minutes, Anderson Cooper 360°, On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren, and has appeared a number of times on Larry King Live, including its 20th-anniversary show. Geragos was employed by CNN in a contributor role until March 25, 2019, when he was reportedly implicated in an alleged scheme with attorney Michael Avenatti to extort more than $20 million from Nike, Inc.

In addition to his former role as contributor on CNN, Mark Geragos and Sunny Hostin hosted a 2014 legal program entitled Making the Case.

Geragos has made multiple appearances on the Adam Carolla Show since 2013, usually giving commentary on whatever is the top legal issue in pop culture. He guest-hosted for Carolla in April 2014 while Carolla was shooting his independent feature film Road Hard. Geragos filled in for Dr. Drew Pinsky and co-hosted with Carolla in March 2015 on The Adam and Dr. Drew Show, another podcast that airs on Carolla's Carolla Digital Network.

In June 2015, it was announced that Geragos would co-host a podcast with Carolla that would be a part of Carolla Digital. The show is called Reasonable Doubt and features Carolla and Geragos discussing issues in society including the law, from Geragos's viewpoint as a civil and criminal defense attorney. The show debuted on July 25, 2015, and new episodes debut every Saturday.

Geragos was an executive producer for the 2016 ABC network television series Notorious, which was inspired by the working relationship between Geragos and Larry King Live producer Wendy Walker. The show was cancelled after one season.

Mistrial: An Inside Look at How the Criminal Justice System Works, co-authored by Geragos and Pat Harris, was published by Penguin in 2013.

Awards

 * 1999 – Trial Lawyer of the Year by the Los Angeles Criminal Courts Bar Association
 * 1999 – Jerry Giesler Memorial Award for Trial Skills, Judgement & Dedication
 * 2001 – Humanitarian of the Year by the Mexican American Grocers Association
 * 2004 – Professional of the Year by the Armenian Professional Society
 * 2005 – Consumer Attorney of the Year by the Consumer Attorneys of California
 * 2006 – Attorney of the Year by the California Lawyer magazine

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Trappe

Trappe may refer to:

People

 * James Trappe, an American mycologist
 * Wade Trappe, American engineer

Places

 * Trappe, Maryland, a town in Talbot County
 * Trappe, Pennsylvania, a borough in Montgomery County

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Talk:Seed plant

links and anthophyte
The content on this page references Magnoliopsida and flowering plants, where the first article actually redirects to Dicotyledon. The resulting fork is difficult to traverse when working through the classification tree.

 * I think this has been corrected.
 * Also, the figure within the article depicts the anthophyte hypothesis, in which the closest living relative to the angiosperms are the gnetales. Recent molecular work shows that the gnetales are nested within the conifers, and are possibly sister to Pinaceae (see Chaw et al., Soltis et al., and Bowe et al. referenced in the article).  If I get a chance, I'll upload a slightly modified version.  Thanks for posting the original! -- Jpwilson 04:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, the figure within the article depicts the anthophyte hypothesis, in which the closest living relative to the angiosperms are the gnetales. Recent molecular work shows that the gnetales are nested within the conifers, and are possibly sister to Pinaceae (see Chaw et al., Soltis et al., and Bowe et al. referenced in the article).  If I get a chance, I'll upload a slightly modified version.  Thanks for posting the original! -- Jpwilson 04:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

cladogram
I've removed the cladogram altogether. It neither reflects the references on the page, which postulate a close relationship between Gnetophyta and conifers, nor the Deep Green phylogeny from which it was taken, which shows a polytomy for the spermatophytes.--Curtis Clark 13:30, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I was wondering about that myself (and have seen them popping up in numerous articles lately--e.g., see Plant). Such diagrams should always have a caption in the article (not just in the original link) explicitly stating where it is taken from and whose phylogeny it is following. MrDarwin 13:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Drat, I thought I'd got it to match the deep green tree. The diagram is easily edited though, if you can let me know what to change (and/or make duplicates for different phylogenies from other sources). - MPF 14:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I now see that you were using the research tree rather than the teaching tree, as I had originally assumed. The research tree is at odds with the referenceds in the article, and a cursory look doesn't show a literature reference for it; I wonder if it doesn't show the current state of the project. Considering that there are at least three fundamentally different trees (including the Deep Green research tree), perhaps it's best to have no cladogram until things are a bit more settled.--Curtis Clark 04:05, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

 * "Angiosperms are now thought to have evolved from a gymnosperm ancestor, which would make gymnosperms a paraphyletic group if it includes extinct taxa." No. Just as birds are a subset of dinosaurs, angiosperms are a subset to gymnosperms. There are many extiinct angiosperms too. I haven't corrected the text. --Wetman 14:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Focus on established fact, not controversy
I have rewritten the end of the first paragraph to make it clear that all authorities (as far as I can tell from the rest of the article) agree that there are 5 monophyletic groups, and all the debate/research is (a) how those groups relate to each other, and (b) what names to give them.

If people like this approach, there are a lot of botany pages which could be tweaked somewhat along these lines. Kingdon 00:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't have the reference at hand, but I seem to remember one article with molecular evidence that the conifers were paraphyletic by removal of the gnetophytes. But I like your approach.--Curtis Clark 05:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

 * You're right about confiers/gnetophytes. I should have deleted the word "monophyletic" above (in the article itself, I left it out from the start). Kingdon 12:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

suggest addition of a taxobox
Perhaps something like this should be added to the page? I haven't added it myself because I am not an expert in plant biology.

Bayle Shanks 21:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

There are lots of molecular suggestions
There's a POV tag on this article with the comment "There are lots of molecular suggestions; the article should report what they agree on, or give each of them due weight." I've read a fair number of papers (now cited as references, at least most of them), and my conclusion was that gne-pine (or perhaps gne-conifer) was the hypothesis which should be given the most weight, but that we shouldn't treat it as a done deal. I'm not too attached to exactly what we say here, but unless I'm missing something, the evidence is strong enough to reject some ideas, such as the view of gnetae and angiosperms as sister groups. If so, it seems worth saying so somehow. I'd like to hear suggestions of what we should be saying - having a POV tag isn't going to help improve the article unless it helps produce more concrete suggestions for improvement. Kingdon (talk) 06:08, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I've removed the tag per "marking an article as having an NPOV dispute is a temporary measure" at NPOVD and because no one has disagreed with my assertion that due weight, in this case, would give most prominence to gne-pine. I've posted both here and on the talk page of the user who put the tag there.  But if people have ideas about how best to cover all the various molecular studies and phylogenetic hypotheses, speak up, propose wording, or just be bold. It's not like what we have now is the last word by any means (for one thing, it doesn't say nearly enough about fossil spermatophytes). Kingdon (talk) 04:33, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Suggest adding gymnosperms as a category in list in description
Something like this:

 * gymnosperms:
 * cycads, a subtropical and tropical group of plants with a large crown of compound leaves and a stout trunk,
 * Ginkgo, a single living species of tree,
 * conifers, cone-bearing trees and shrubs,
 * gnetophytes, woody plants in the genera Ephedra, Gnetum, and Welwitschia
 * angiosperms, (or magnoliophyta) the flowering plants, a large group including many familiar plants in a wide variety of habitats.

Rationale: ease of understanding, easier to see the groupings, as angio- and gymnosperms are often put side by side for comparison. It would also reflect the hierarchy presented further down on the page.

-195.194.86.233 (talk) 11:49, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Rename to "Seed plant"
Per WP:COMMONNAME, which mandates the use of plain English names where they are in wide use and accurately match the group in question, we have "Plant" not "Plantae"; "Vascular plant" not "Tracheophyte"; "Flowering plant" not "Angiospermae". I suggest we should rename this article "Seed plant" in place of "Spermatophyte" for the same reason. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Seems sensible to me. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:34, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, let's boldly go... Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:39, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

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Lamborghini V8

The Lamborghini V8 is a ninety degree (90°) V8 petrol engine designed by Lamborghini in the 1970s for their less-expensive vehicles. It was only the second internal combustion engine ever developed by the company, and first saw production for the 1971 Lamborghini Urraco. It was designed by Giampaolo Dallara. The all-aluminium alloy engine was introduced as a 2.5-litre variant, displacing 2463 cc, but was expanded, by increasing the piston stroke to a 3.0-litre variant for 1975 - now displacing 2997 cc.

A 2.0-litre reduced-stroke version was also introduced in 1975 for sale in Italy, displacing 1994 cc, because of Italian legislation which imposed punitive taxes on cars whose engines displaced more than 2.0 litres.

This V8 engine was also used in two other models, the Lamborghini Silhouette in 1976–1977 in which it kept the 3.0-litre displacement, and the slightly updated replacement in 1982, the Lamborghini Jalpa, which saw the engine increased in size to 3.5 litres, displacing 3485 cc, for ease in meeting ever-tighter emissions requirements.

Specifications

 * engine configuration: 90° V8 engine; wet sump lubrication system
 * engine displacement etc.
 * 2.0: 1995 cc; bore x stroke: 77.4 x (stroke ratio: 1.46:1 - oversquare/short-stroke), undefined cc per cylinder
 * 2.5: 2463 cc; bore x stroke: 86x53 mm (stroke ratio: 1.62:1 - oversquare/short-stroke), undefined cc per cylinder
 * 3.0: 2997 cc; bore x stroke: 86x64.5 mm (stroke ratio: 1.58:1 - oversquare/short-stroke), undefined cc per cylinder
 * 3.5: 3485 cc; bore x stroke: 86x75 mm (stroke ratio: 1.15:1 - oversquare/short-stroke), undefined cc per cylinder

 * cylinder block and crankcase: cast aluminium alloy
 * cylinder heads and valvetrain
 * 2.0/2.5: cast aluminium alloy, two valves per cylinder, 16 valves total, belt driven single overhead camshafts
 * 3.0/3.5: cast aluminium alloy, two valves per cylinder, 16 valves total, chain driven double overhead camshafts

 * aspiration: Naturally aspirated
 * fuel system: 2.0: 4 twin-barrel down-draught Weber 40 IDF 1 carburettors
 * 2.5: 4 twin-barrel down-draught Weber 40 IDF 1 or Solex C40P117 carburettors
 * 3.0: 4 twin-barrel down-draught Weber 40 DCNF carburetors
 * 3.5: 4 twin-barrel down-draught Weber 42 DCNF carburetors

 * ignition system and engine management: 2 Magnetti Marelli coils and 1 Marelli Distributor S127E
 * exhaust system: ????
 * 2.0 rated motive power & torque outputs and applications: 136 kW @ 7,800 rpm; — Lamborghini Urraco
 * 2.5 rated motive power & torque outputs and applications
 * 164 kW @ 7,500 rpm; — Lamborghini Urraco

 * 3.0 rated motive power & torque outputs and applications: 273 Nm @ 5,750 rpm
 * 186 kW @ 7,500 rpm; — Lamborghini Urraco
 * 194 kW @ 7,500 rpm; — Lamborghini Silhouette
 * 198 kW @ 7,800 rpm; — Lamborghini Urraco

 * 3.5 rated motive power & torque outputs and applications: 190 kW @ 7,000 rpm; — Lamborghini Jalpa

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It would be nice if you could make a quad-core image of File:Dual Core Generic.svg for the multi-core processor article. -- Frap (talk) 13:03, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure what that would add -- it would be the same diagram with four cpus and caches instead of 2. I think that the two core diagram illustrates the concept more clearly. Dennis (talk) 13:48, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * There are many ways to quad-core. Example one die with 4 cores or 2 dies with 2 cores. -- Frap (talk) 22:11, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

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Waipori

Waipori may refer to either:
 * Waipori, New Zealand, a township within Dunedin, New Zealand's city limits
 * The Waipori River in Otago in the South Island of New Zealand, or to
 * Lake Waipori, an area of wetlands draining into the Waipori River
 * SS Waipori, a Union Company cargo ship

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SmartMoney

SmartMoney was The Wall Street Journal's magazine of personal business. The finance magazine launched in 1992 by Hearst Corporation and Dow Jones & Company. Its first editor was Norman Pearlstine. In 2010, Hearst sold its stake to Dow Jones. The September 2012 edition was the last paper edition. Its content was merged into MarketWatch in 2013.

SmartMoney's target market was affluent professional and managerial business people needing personal finance information. Regular topics included ideas for saving, investing, and spending, as well as coverage of technology, automotive, and lifestyle subjects including travel, fashion, wine, music, and food.

Notable alumni

 * Norman Pearlstine (SmartMoney magazine)—chief content officer of Bloomberg L.P.
 * James B. Stewart (SmartMoney magazine)—New York Times columnist
 * Gerri Willis (SmartMoney magazine, SmartMoney.com)—CNN anchor

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White Cloud

White Cloud may refer to:

People

 * Buck Jones (American football), also called "White Cloud", a Seneca Native American football player active in 1922
 * Chief Mahaska (1784–1843), or Mewhushekaw, also known as White Cloud I, Iowa chief
 * Wabanquot (Chippewa chief) (translated as "White Cloud"), an Ojibwa chief
 * Wabokieshiek (translated as "White Cloud"), 19th-century Ho-Chunk chief from Illinois
 * James White Cloud (1840–1940), also known as Chief White Cloud, Iowa chief from Kansas
 * Francis White Cloud, also called White Cloud II, principal chief of the Iowa who traveled to England and France in 1844–5, son of Mahaska
 * Zach Whitecloud (born 1996), a Canadian ice hockey player

Place names
In the United States:
 * White Cloud, California, in Nevada County
 * White Cloud, Indiana, in Harrison County
 * White Cloud, Kansas, in Doniphan County
 * White Cloud, Michigan, in Newaygo County
 * White Cloud, Missouri, an unincorporated community
 * Whitecloud, Nodaway County, Missouri, an unincorporated community
 * White Cloud Creek, stream in the U.S. state of Missouri
 * White Cloud Township (disambiguation), two different places

Other uses

 * Mahpiya Ska, a sacred albino female White Buffalo living in Jamestown, North Dakota
 * White Cloud Mountain minnow, a type of fish commonly kept in cold-water aquariums
 * White Cloud Naval Ocean Surveillance System, a spaceborne military system launched in 1986 and 1987 which was used primarily by the US Navy
 * White Cloud Tradition of Buddhism in China, founded by the Northern Song preacher Qingjue 清覺 (1043-1121), widespread since Yuan (1279-1368), criticized for being used as a tax evasion device by the powerful families of the time.
 * White Cloud, a Gaff rigged Yawl built, in the style of a Falmouth Quay Punt, in 1912 by Gann & Palmer in Teignmouth, Devon, UK.
 * White Cloud toilet paper
 * White Cloud, a record label founded by Jon Mark

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User talk:Mp3hist

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MP3 Newswire and MentaNet News
Hi Mp3hist. First off, thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia - you're doing a great job adding to many articles.

I've come across MP3 Newswire and MentaNet News, which it seems you probably know quite a bit about. To me, it appears that these articles might not be important enough to be in Wikipedia, so I've nominated them to Votes for Deletion. Your input at Votes for deletion/MP3 Newswire and Votes for deletion/MentaNet News would be appreciated as we figure out if these articles fit into Wikipedia.

Thanks. -JJLeahy 19:03, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

First of all, sorry for the trouble. I believe now that your efforts were completely valid, but to a lot of people, it looks like you're trying to boost up the rankings and readership of the site. I've added some support to MP3 Newswire in VfD, and we'll see what other wikipedians think. (I'm not sure if you are familiar with MentaNet News since you never edited it under Mp3hist, but that doesn't look very good - probably a merge with Richard Menta).

As for the next time, I think putting links within the history sections of articles might be a good idea. Normally, people looking just for the history of MP3 (or other topics) will look at the history section of MP3, so those links would be best there. I think that most wikipedians will agree that as long as it doesn't look like spamming, appropiate links are always welcome.

Oh - lastly - please sign in when you vote on votes for deletion. If it's coming from an IP address, I technically have no proof that it was you and not someone imitating you.

I hope that helps, that you're not too mad at me (it's understandable), and you continue with your contributions to Wikipedia. -JJLeahy 15:43, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

 * And one more thing - please vote below everyone else's on VfD. -JJLeahy 15:48, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello again Mp3hist -

I've already seen your explanation, and the above the section on the talk page and the Comment I put at the bottom of the VfD are in response to those. Now that it's on VfD, it can't be stopped, and I don't tend to vote on pages I nominate.

As I've said, I think your time capsule idea is a good idea, but if I were doing it, perhaps there's a more effective way. Making edits this way might 1) allow users looking into the history of variety of topics to see the snapshots in time you intend, and 2) make it obvious to other Wikipedians that you're not spamming but adding to the history of these topics.

The worst thing that could possibly happen now is that MP3 Newswire gets deleted, but it could always get undeleted, especially if futher edits show the importance of the site.

Good luck, and happy editing! -JJLeahy 18:59, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of MP3 Newswire and MentaNet News
As you probably know, an admin cleaning up VfD closed the debate and deleted the articles. Had I known MP3 Newswire turned out to be a notable website, I wouldn't have nominated it, but after I did there was really nothing I could do.

If your angry at Wikipedia, I'd understand that. What I recommend now is making edits like the one in the above section. You should wait some time before placing the article on Votes for undeletion. What would be in your best interest would be to place MP3 Newswire on Votes for Undeletion when a major news story is on the site - the smaller the alexa rank, the better the chance it will be undeleted.

Thanks for your hard work through all of this. -JJLeahy 15:38, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Nomination of MP3 Newswire for deletion
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Gorgeous George (disambiguation)

Gorgeous George, real name George Wagner (1915–1963), was an American professional wrestler.

Gorgeous George may also refer to:

Professional wrestling

 * Stephanie Bellars (born 1976), American professional wrestling valet billed as Gorgeous George in WCW
 * Gorgeous George III, real name Robert Kellum (born 1973), American professional wrestler, also known as "The Maestro".
 * "Gorgeous" George Gillette (1940–1989) manager of English masked professional wrestler Kendo Nagasaki

Others

 * George Galloway (born 1954), Scottish politician
 * George Sisler (1893–1973), Hall of Fame baseball player
 * George Smathers (1913–2007), American lawyer and politician nicknamed "Gorgeous George"
 * Georg Gänswein (born 1956), Prefect of the Papal household of the Holy See

Other uses

 * Gorgeous George (album), 1994 album by Edwyn Collins
 * Gorgeous George (comics), a Marvel Comics character
 * Gorgeous George, a series of children's novels by Stuart Reid
 * Gorgeous George, a character in the Guy Ritchie movie Snatch

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File:Golden Earring - No Promises...No Debts.jpg

Cover for album No Promises...No Debts by To the Hilt.

Fair use rationale for

 * It is believed that the use of this image on the English-language Wikipedia to illustrate an article on the audio recording in question falls under the "Non-profit educational" clause of the Fair Use doctrine currently upheld by United States law. (17 U.S.C. § 107)
 * The image is irreplaceable; a free analogue is impossible to produce as the original will be covered by copyright for the foreseeable future
 * Owing to the limited web-resolution of the image, only a small portion of a copyrighted work is used
 * For the same reasons, the portion of the copyrighted work used is of inherently lower quality than the original, reducing the risk of competitiveness and therefore the effects of this copy on the market for or value of versions held by the owner of the copyright


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No Promises...No Debts

No Promises...No Debts is an album by Dutch hard rock band Golden Earring, released in 1979. In the U.S. the album was released with a different cover photo showing the group standing around.

Track listing
All songs written by Gerritsen, Hay, Kooymans, and Zuiderwijk.

Side one

 * 1) "Heart Beat" - 3:00
 * 2) "Need Her" - 3:07
 * 3) "Sellin' Out" - 3:46
 * 4) "Snot Love in Spain" - 3:50
 * 5) "Save Your Skin" - 6:42

Side two

 * 1) "D Light" - 3:34
 * 2) "Tiger Bay" - 3:12
 * 3) "Weekend Love" - 4:14
 * 4) "Don't Close the Door" - 3:29
 * 5) "Don't Stop the Show" - 2:41
 * 6) "By Routes" - 2:53

Personnel
Additional personnel
 * George Kooymans - guitar, vocals
 * Rinus Gerritsen - bass guitar, keyboards
 * Barry Hay - flute, vocals, guitar
 * Cesar Zuiderwijk - drums
 * John Legrand - harmonica

Production

 * Producer: George Kooymans
 * Engineer: John Kriek
 * Mixing: George Kooymans, John Kriek, Arnold Muhren
 * Horn arrangements: Jan Rietman
 * Cover design: Jeep Bunt

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