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Victor Conte

Victor Conte Jr. (born 1950) is an American musician and businessman who was the founder and president of Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative (BALCO), which is now defunct. BALCO was a sports nutrition center in California. In the late seventies Conte played bass with funk/R&B group Tower of Power, appearing on the band's 1978 release We Came to Play!.

Conte served time in prison in 2005 after pleading guilty to conspiracy to distribute steroids and to money laundering. He currently operates Scientific Nutrition for Advanced Conditioning (SNAC Nutrition).

Early life and music career
Victor Conte Jr. was born in 1950 in Fresno to Shirley and Victor Conte Sr. He is the oldest of three children in a working-class Italian family. After graduating from McLane High School he attended Fresno City College but dropped out of college in 1969 after being convinced by his cousin, musician Bruce Conte, to join the band Common Ground as its bass player. In 1970 he quit playing in Common Ground and joined the band Pure Food and Drug Act.

At the time Conte's nickname was "Walking Fish", due to his unusual way of moving across the stage when he was performing. He left Pure Food and Drug Act some time prior to 1977. He was a member of Tower of Power from 1977 until 1979 playing bass guitar. He also collaborated during that period with pianist Herbie Hancock and violinist Sugarcane Harris.

Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative
In 1984, Conte founded the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative (BALCO), a sports nutrition center first located in Millbrae, California and later relocated to Burlingame, California. The United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) says he developed the banned steroid tetrahydrogestrinone (THG has the nickname The Clear) with the help of bodybuilding chemist Patrick Arnold. Pursuant to a plea bargain struck with prosecutors, he entered guilty pleas in July 2005 to one count of conspiracy to distribute steroids and a second count of laundering a portion of a check. He was sentenced in October of the same year to four months in the federal Taft Correctional Institution in Taft, California with four months on house arrest.

In a December 2004 interview with Martin Bashir on ABC's 20/20 program, he admitted to running doping programs which have broken Olympic records. He said, "The whole history of the games is just full of corruption, cover-up, performance-enhancing drug use." In the interview he implicated five-time Olympic gold medalist Marion Jones and her partner Tim Montgomery, Kelli White (who later admitted using performance-enhancing drugs), sprinter Dwain Chambers, NFL linebacker Bill Romanowski, and others.

On December 21, 2006, Yahoo Sports reported that one of Conte's initial defense lawyers, Troy Ellerman, had been targeted by the FBI as a possible source of leaks to the media during the Barry Bonds probe. On February 14, 2007, Ellerman pleaded guilty to leaking grand jury testimony. It was also reported that FBI agents were an additional source of leaks. In May 2007, Conte claimed to be again providing supplements for Dwain Chambers, who left track and field to play in the NFL Europa league for the Hamburg Sea Devils before returning to athletics in 2008. According to Conte, the nutritional supplements provided via his company Scientific Nutrition for Advanced Conditioning, are perfectly legal.

On December 13, 2007, Conte appeared on CNN before The Mitchell Report was officially released.

Books
Game of Shadows: Barry Bonds, BALCO, and the Steroids Scandal that Rocked Professional Sports was published by two San Francisco Chronicle investigative reporters in 2006, relating to the case. There have been controversies about the informant and/or source of the information about the books and related court cases.

In 2008, in the aftermath of the investigation, Conte wrote a book BALCO: The Straight Dope on Barry Bonds, Marion and What We Can Do to Save Sports which was co-written with author Nathan Jendrick. There was defamation litigation about the book's publication by boxer Shane Mosley which delayed the publication date. Mosley dropped the lawsuit, but not before Skyhorse Publishing had been scared away from publishing it. The book is officially unpublished as of 2017, but the unpublished manuscript has been made available.

Scientific Nutrition for Advanced Conditioning
In 2011, Conte started a new company, Scientific Nutrition for Advanced Conditioning (SNAC) which is based in San Carlos, California, which in addition to nutritional supplements also offers boxing and sports training. One of SNAC's clients is boxer Zab Judah; Conte has previously worked with Andre Berto, Nonito Donaire, and Andre Ward.

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Category:Aomori Prefecture

Aomori Prefecture (青森県 Aomori-ken) is a prefecture located in the Tōhoku region of Japan. The capital is the city of Aomori.

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Talk:Second Avenue Subway

Time to Split (2)
The article continues to grow - I don't have the word count tool, but it's up about 20% since January, or about 20k words. I suggest breaking out the construction into a separate article - that will be the most stable unless/until they start a new stage. After that, as noted above, a separate history article makes sense. I do not have time to start now, but if no one else does, can jump in later this season. Jd2718 (talk) 01:34, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The article is only 17,687 words, so I don't know where you got the 20k figure from. In any case, I oppose a full split because it's unnecessary, but maybe the historic-proposals section could be split, with some context about the current-construction section. I say "maybe" because I am planning to make this a good topic, with the main SAS article being a good or featured article, and I'd rather not have a page split lead to this article's degradation or even demotion. epicgenius (talk) 14:52, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I have created a draft in my sandbox. epicgenius (talk) 18:53, 29 September 2017 (UTC) The split has now been carried out. The article is now at History of the Second Avenue Subway. epicgenius (talk) 22:56, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * (I have no idea what I was thinking in September 2017. A 17K-word article is far too long per WP:SIZERULE.) Anyway. I do think the article should be condensed a bit as Phase 2 proceeds, particularly the construction details pertaining to Phase 1. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:36, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you think the stuff cut should be moved to the history article? Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 20:28, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Definitely. The issue is that the history article is itself getting long. Perhaps we should split it up into a few articles, e.g. Early plans for the Second Avenue Subway (covering the earliest plans up to the 1990s) and Construction of the Second Avenue Subway (covering the 1990s plan and current construction).I was contemplating an article for the history of the SAS during the 1960s and 1970s, which was part of the Program for Action, but that may be too niche. There is definitely plenty of coverage about the Second Avenue Subway (Program for Action), though. – Epicgenius (talk) 20:34, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Services
Why are we not showing all current services for the Second Ave Subway?  Cards84664  (talk) 17:07, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * More to the point, why are you changing a long-standing satus quo without consensus to do so, and edit warring to keep it in? Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:12, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You changed it back without pressing the revert button, and used an abbreviation that has no common meaning, so why wouldn't I? Also, please link me to the long-standing discussion, I have not seen such.  Cards84664  (talk) 17:15, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm the user who uploaded File:NYCS-line-trans-2nd-QT.svg (although it is not in use on this article, the upload of this image led to the placement of the Q/T infobox images that are there today). It was a result of this discussion on December 18, 2016, when created File:NYCS-line-trans-2nd-future.svg to signify the N, Q, and future T bullets. He had said, I thought the N/Q bullets and the T bullets should be displayed separately since the T is only a proposed service. I think it was changed to show only Q/T at a later date. Personally, I think it should be N, Q, R, and T, like the IRT New Lots Line article with the 2, 3, 4, and 5, even though only the 3 stops there during the daytime."LGV" means "last good version", by the way. It is listed in Edit summary legend. epicgenius (talk) 18:29, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm the one that started that discussion and which was followed up by discussion at the wikiproject talk page (though I don't have a specific archive link handy). I'll say now what I said then: a handful of oddball variant runs that aren't even deemed significant enough to show on station signage shouldn't be in the infobox, as they're relatively minor, could confuse readers, and, because of how our infoboxes are formatted, essentially create ficticious signage. Including the R at the very top of the article because of one short-turn run (which doesn't even appear in the current official timetable, btw) is questionable. The half dozen N trains aren't anymore significant. Noting them in the services section is enough (though the bullets there are also questionable; why do we have redundant and frankly purely decorative images there in the first place?) oknazevad (talk) 18:51, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * They aren't really decorative. In all of the other subway line articles except for this one, all the services that use the line are listed in the infobox, regardless of whether they are full-time, part-time, or a few rush-hour runs only. I would point out the IRT New Lots Line article as an example. On the other hand, this article displays a service that doesn't exist yet (the T) and doesn't display the services that do use the line (the N and R). But I think we can reword the infobox so the image caption also mentions that very few N and R trains stop here. epicgenius (talk) 20:15, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, they're decorative in the sense that we already have illustrative bullets at the top of the articles. As for the second part, instead of adding the bullets for a handful of rush hour runs here, we really ought to be taking them out of the other articles for the same reasons as I listed above. Including them rises to the same level of trivial detail as counting rivets on a R38 subway car. Mention them in body text, don't treat them as eqvluivalent to the regular primary services on the line that appear on the map or station signage, as it creates fictitious signage here. oknazevad (talk) 02:35, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * "Counting rivets" is funny. I like it. On the other hand, maybe we can remove the service bullets from the line articles' infoboxes if they don't primarily serve the line, since we already do this in the stations' articles. epicgenius (talk) 15:53, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * What about dropping the prose and just explaining the services outright?  Cards84664  (talk) 17:43, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * What do you think of these?  Cards84664  (talk) 23:04, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I think these would look better as full sentences, or at least sentence fragments (row 2 of this table). Or else we can drop unnecessary details (row 3). epicgenius (talk) 00:38, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Whoops. Row 3 hands down.  Cards84664  (talk) 01:05, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

I like the third version too. Enough detail without overwhelming the reader with unimportant factoids, while not giving false impressions of the extent of the services. oknazevad (talk) 02:11, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. One last thing, though: we still need to explain why the colors are there in the infobox. Especially for the Second Avenue Subway, which is technically "" but obviously the Q is yellow. So which version shall it be? epicgenius (talk) 14:14, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Here's my way to simplify.  Cards84664  (talk) 19:11, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

The M train has been running up on the 2nd Avenue line on weekends and will do so nights/weekends during the impending L train shutdown. Is this worth adding to the service description?

The New York Times
I just saw your article from The New York Times, It was featured on the front page of Wikipedia's news on Google. I have added the media template to this talk page, due to its mention in the NYT article. Congrats!  Cards84664  (talk) 13:27, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I didn't know it would be out this early. I thought they would wait for the Sunday magazine issue. epicgenius (talk) 15:32, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It will be in the Metro section.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:04, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks as well.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:04, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 27 April 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Withdrawn per WP:SNOW and the arguments made below. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 01:00, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Second Avenue Subway → IND Second Avenue Line – for consistency with the other NYC subway lines. While it is referred to by news media as "Second Avenue Subway", this is pretty awkward wording as "subway" is usually used to refer to an entire subway system, not a single line. I am also willing to use Second Avenue Line for this same purpose. That, or the other articles referring the subway lines with their company names ($1 $2 Line) could simply have the company name dropped in their title (so $2 Line). Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 02:12, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Yes, it's inconsistent. No, that is not a reason to move from what is clearly the name used by everybody, including reliable sources. oknazevad (talk) 14:31, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per COMMONNAME, as stated above. We don't automatically name articles with the official name, COMMONNAME takes precedence. A good past rail-related example is here. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:04, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I was going to wonder if changing to "second avenue line" would be better than the title I initially proposed. A bigger question is whether we should drop the company names (IRT, BMT, IND) from the other train lines for conciseness. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 20:09, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, that would be even more confusing. This term can also refer to the IRT Second Avenue Line (elevated) and the M15 (New York City bus) (formerly the Second Avenue Line). The current title may technically not be a subway system, but it's still descriptive enough. If the company names were not used, the line would be called Second Avenue Line (subway), which is not shorter than the current name. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:54, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. "Second Avenue Subway" is the commonly used term and far more recognizable due to the history behind it. There's no reason to change it. SteelersDiclonious (talk) 9:53, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose Per WP:COMMONNAME which this proposal ignores. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:41, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. While the internal name for the line is the IND Second Avenue Line, the common name used by nearly all media is "Second Avenue Subway". "Second Avenue Line" as a title is even more ambiguous; there is both a former elevated line and a surface transportation (bus) line with this name. There are several other instances in which different companies did use the same line name, e.g. IRT Sixth Avenue Line, IND Sixth Avenue Line. Barring that, I don't see the reason to drop the company name from other lines.I do sympathize with the nominator's intent, having made an ill-advised request to move Atlantic Terminal some years ago. But there isn't really an overarching need for title consistency here. If the concern is that inconsistent titles may lead to red links, then there is not an issue as IND Second Avenue Line already redirects here. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:51, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Epicgenius You mean World Trade Center station (PATH). But yeah I see. I am guessing if MTA and media be inconsistent with naming so be it. We aren't prescriptive, we are descriptive, and if "second avenue line" or "IND second avenue line" becomes more commonly searched in the future, then a move can be made there. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 00:58, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

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Grand Central spur
Regarding your recent revert, page 17 of the MESA says: "The Grand Central Terminal spur service could not achieve competitive frequency due to capacity constraints on the Second Avenue route." In other words, there was not enough track capacity. (The MESA also mentions "competitive travel time", which I forgot to add.)

In regards to your edit summary, though, I'm not seeing where it takes up two lines of space. On my 1280x1024 display, the info shows up on the same line as the sentence before it. Perhaps we can reword this to "due to a lack of track capacity or time savings"? Epicgenius (talk) 23:09, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Because it is a claim, not a fact, it needs to be identified as such, which would stretch the text (currently just over a full line) to a bit longer. More than one line, less than two lines. It is a fact that they made the claim - not a fact that the claim is true. On the other hand, that the spur was considered, but dropped, is absolutely a well sourced fact. Jd2718 (talk) 03:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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Category:Cities in Aichi Prefecture

Cities in Aichi Prefecture in the Chūbu region of Japan.

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Cities in Akita Prefecture in the Tōhoku region of Japan.

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Talk:Drawn Together

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s2 DVD extras
The article finally lists extras for the season two DVD, but is there a source available for it? --Evildevil 23:32, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The South Park Season 10 DVD contains a preview which mentions the extras.Raymondluxuryacht 00:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. They sounded believable, I just had to know for sure. (It's hard to believe anything on wikipedia without a source)--Evildevil 03:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

A new season's coming out I think next week. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.194.236.133 (talk) 02:36, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Cancellation
Should it be mentioned why it was cancelled, or was it never announced? - Crazyconan (talk) 04:01, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Comments from the creators/producers indicate that it was most likely cancelled due to high production costs, but there hasn't been an official announcement either way.Sandmaster (talk) 04:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

It's too bad, that show had a good run while it lasted. Is it true they are ending South Park in 2011, or is it an unconfirmed rumor? - Crazyconan (talk) 05:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

 * 2011 is when the creators' current contract runs out, but they haven't said the show will actually be ending then. Most likely they'll sign a new contract unless Trey and Matt decide they want to quit, though they haven't yet indicated any plans to do so.Sandmaster (talk) 07:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Ling ling's gender
I felt this wasn't quite cleared up in the archive. He's a he, because in that episode where they do the apprentice, he's on the male team then gets crushed by a plane--79.65.55.83 (talk) 18:47, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Along with having relations with clearly female battle monsters, father referencing him as son, tail expanding.... MJ56003 (talk) 22:58, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

IMDb as a source
I'm removing IMDb as a source and all material related to it. Specifically, I'm removing the portion which was taken from the "Trivia" section of Drawn Together's page on IMDb: "A few main reasons for the series' cancellation include production costs, Comedy Central's impatience with the time it took to produce each episode, and people taking offense to the show's content."

IMDb has already been discussed at length and rejected as a source for Wikipedia articles in general, particularly the user-submitted sections. I've been unable to find a reliable source for reasons why the show was canceled (other than the departure of the creators); if someone wants to add one that would be great. 96.252.169.163 (talk) 07:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

DVD region(s)
I suppose the DVDs are only released in region 1, but as there is no mention of it, I thought I'd ask it here. 82.141.118.40 (talk) 06:53, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Fake revival?
Hey there, a user called Tfakepants (machting name) wrote a new season is to be annouced, without giving any information of sources. Looks like a hoax. --95.89.189.141 (talk) 19:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

 * Agree, I can't find anything about this on google. -- X7q (talk)

Spanky Ham
Seems more related to Oolong from the japanime Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z/Dragon Ball GT, both have toilet humor and are sexually perverted and both are pigs who wear clothes and walk like humans, i mean with Ling-Ling referencing Pokemon's pikachu, wouldn't it really be them poking fun at another highly popular kids/teen/adults cartoon? 58.167.192.102 (talk) 18:59, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Victoria School

Untitled section December 2004
English Lit. was offered as a core 'O' level subject in 2004. A whole class (4H 2004) took that subject. ωhkoh [Т] 09:03, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)

Victorian
Does anybody know the history of the Victorian bumble bee? Also, why was 'Victorian' chosen to be written on the shirt instead of 'Victoria', 'Victoria School' etc like most schools?

REPLY: Victorian Bumble Bee started using in early to mid 1987, earlier Victorians wear a White PT shirt with front school logo in standard red-yellow colours and curved VICTORIAN in red at the back.

As for why VICTORIAN is used versus using VICTORIA or Victoria School, it seems to be the tradition at VS to use "VICTORIAN" for standard PT shirts (for all Victorians to wear / use within VS compound); and use "VICTORIA" for Tank Top/singlets, and special sports attire for representatives at national level meets or competitions...

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I think if anyone has photographs of the old PT shirts, it would be good to post them up because it is a part of history. You don't see them anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.10.13 (talk) 05:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

REPLY: I'm not sure about the usage of VICTORIA and VICTORIAN. It seems like the singlets are also used for school events (sports day/school cross country) and not really for national level stuff. They have their own CCA singlet for national level stuff. Could there be some other reason why the PT shirts write 'VICTORIAN' while the singlets write 'VICTORIA'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.228 (talk) 05:20, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

PT Kit
I read that LTC red shirts are not allowed to be worn conventionally in public. I understand that as a disciplined and regimented group, LTC has chosen to enforced such a rule. However, is it against the school rules to wear the yellow PT kit conventionally? I have spotted Victorians or Ex-Victorians who wear the PT kit in public even on public holidays, and I wonder whether the LTC rule applies.

hmm
There is no such thing as the "Victorian Bumble Bee", as far as I know. The clour yellow is from the school's crest. The word Victorian was probably used because of the camaraderie amongst Victorians, but the decision was made a long time ago and I am unable to verify it. But there are other schools which do interesting things with their PE attire, for instance Saint Patrick's School has "I <3 St Pats" similar to the famous I<3NY logo.

Visaisahero 18:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Achievements
I think there is no need to list all the achievements for the year. I've checked the pages of other top boys' schools and none of them do it. It's like trying to publicise over a little bit of achievement. The school website already has all this information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.228 (talk) 04:57, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

drama SYF gold
this article overexaggerates that accomplishment, implying that VS won that competition, "..against powerhouses.." such as SCGS and NYGH. This is untrue, the Gold award merely places the school's drama performance in a broad category, akin to a distinction - below Gold w/honours which would denote a top 7(?) school. I find it highly unlikely that the other-mentioned schools would have done worst. Other schools have routinely achieved Gold awards on their first SYF attempts, for example Chestnut Drive Sec, and Gan Eng Seng (Sec), in drama in a year alone. A fine accomplishment perhaps, certainly not outstanding.

I further question the link between a strong drama tradition, should it exist, and a high general standard of english within the school.

does the accomplishment re 2004 debate refer to the Julia Gabriel-organized national competition? or..? can the article attempt to clarify that. If so, there are 3 tiers within that competition, A, B and C, for schools of different ability, which one did VS make it to the quarterfinals for? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scyum (talk • contribs)

inaccuracy
there is an inaccurate use of the pictures and descriptions and rules are slightly inaccurate as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.21.154.14 (talk • contribs)

 * A Victorian here - Kindly explain or clarify the above statement. Otherwise it will be just another blowing hot airs type of comments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.74.220.76 (talk • contribs)

Victoria Continuation School
Is Victoria Continuation School another name of Victoria School or related to VS? There used to be Anglo-Chinese Continuation (old name of ACS) and St Andrew's Continuation School which is part of the St Andrew's family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.243.218.4 (talk • contribs)

 * A Victorian here - "Continuation School" are used after WW2 to indicated schools that took in 'past their ideal age' students that miss their education due to the war. There isn't an official name change, at least not for Victoria School.  However, when 1st President of Singapore Yusof B. Ishak was at Victoria School, it was known as Victoria Bridge School. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.74.220.76 (talk • contribs)

Reply: Thanks for the info. Does this mean to say that when a person attended Victoria Continuation School, he effectively attended Victoria School, but as an overaged student? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.243.218.4 (talk • contribs)

POV Check
Someone's put up the POV Check but has not included on this talk page why.

I removed it after reading the article (and find it to be rather neutral) but since I'm a Victorian, my POV might be different. Please comment if there's anything that you find biased. Jsamraj 13:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Memoirs
I remember back at the Geylang Bahru campus, there was some notable canteen stalls that students always patronize. 1 of which is the western stall with the squabbling couple and another is the rice with mixed vege stall which offers generous portions at an incredibly cheap price. anyone knows where these stalls shifted to? Or how are these "victorians" coping now.
 * If you mean to ask for information on your aforementioned topics to be included in the article, please be aware that this is non-notable information. If you were seriously inquiring for your own interest, I believe this is neither the place nor means to obtain such information. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 10:52, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

List of Alumni
It's nice to include a list of prominent alumni, but I believe everyone should be aware that not all of these "prominent" alumni are necessarily notable as per Wikipedia guidelines. Efforts should be made to crop it as soon as possible. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 10:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Reply - Agree. "Former Victorians" will be more appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soccer174 (talk • contribs) 01:06, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If these are terms in regular use, Old Victorians or Former Victorians would be fine to include as information within the section but the section should be called "notable alumni". Former Victorians is a bit too inside of a term.--RadioFan (talk) 12:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Ibrahim Falli: Sports Man of the year. 1940s and 1950s
Link Can be found on National Library straittimes http://newspapers.nl.sg/Digitised/Page/straitstimes19500617.1.11.aspx

 * Ibrahim Falli was a champion athelete in the 1940s and 1950s. He was a champion athelete back to back for three consecutive years representing Victora School. He left Victoria and then later join the Singapore medical workers Union and was a prominent soccer player for the SMWU and later for the Hotspurs XI soccer club. 202.156.9.231 (talk) 17:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

His article can be found on the The Singapore National library. One article " School Boy Run in 100m in 103/4 sec". Link:http://newspapers.nl.sg/Digitised/Page/straitstimes19490702.1.12.aspx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.164.125.20 (talk) 14:20, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

VJC 6-year programme
http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20090327-131603.html Referring to the above article, I am wondering why the principal of VJC has so much say in this matter. Principals come and go every few years. But the alumni will always be alumni. What is the VAC/VEC stand on this matter? Shouldn't the VAC/VEC have jurisdiction over the 2 schools?

 * Please sign and date comments on talk pages by typing 4 tildes (~) at the end of your message. Thanks. Alarics (talk) 20:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Female alumni??
If this is a boys' school as stated, how come there are women in the list of alumni? Alarics (talk) 07:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Victoria School had girls in her Pre-University classes until 1984 when Victoria Junior College was setup. Past students (boys and girls) of Victoria Junior College are also part of the same alumni as Victoria School too. 202.156.9.231 (talk) 17:07, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining. In that case, it would be good to explain this in the article under History. Alarics (talk) 20:49, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Do not merge Victoria School Hockey into Victoria School
it will make Victoria School page too long DragTian (talk) 18:14, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Victoria School Hockey is essentially a paragraph with a partially filled table that could be summarized in a few sentences plus a list of alumni that is 90% red links. This could be easily merged into 2 good paragraphs on the club. Breaking it out into its own article is not appropriate because the subject does not meet notability guidelines and having its own article gives it undue weight.--RadioFan (talk) 12:45, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The unfilled cells are still in the process of being filled in. Just need a bit of time for it. DragTian (talk) 13:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I dont see how this article could meet notability guidelines, even with the additional cells filled in. None of the information there is referenced.  It also sounds like this was all created a bit too early.--RadioFan (talk) 15:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The references is not an issue. I can get them. Just need a bit of time. DragTian (talk) 15:40, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I removed the tag as I thought discussuin has ended. DragTian (talk) 04:04, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Alumni
I see no reason to create a separate article listing notable alumni, especially one which is 80% red links. The list has been merged back into this article. Also, the term "old victorians" may be meaningful to alumni of the school but a more generic "alumni" term should be used to make it clear to all readers.--RadioFan (talk) 12:35, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What about changing "old victorians" to "alumnus" and removing the red links? DragTian (talk) 13:53, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The red links have been removed and merged into the main article. The section isn't large enough to warrant a separate article.  If it significantly expands, then this could be revisited.--RadioFan (talk) 15:37, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The red links with the contents inside  brackets are removed as well. If by removing , can it stay separate like before? DragTian (talk) 15:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If they are not notable enough for an article, I dont see how they'd be notable enough to include in this list of notable alumni.--RadioFan (talk) 15:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * RadioFan, it is common among all the Singapore schools pages where the alumni list does not have any write-ups, eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Junior_College#College_Alumni
 * another example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maris_Stella_High_School#Alumni - what is the difference between these that are allowed to exist while Victoria School's ones are deleted?
 * Forgot to mention that 95% do not have citations too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Secondary_schools_in_Singapore
 * Are these good enough reasons to have it un-merge? DragTian (talk) 04:05, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, Let's focus on this article rather than compare it to WP:OTHERSTUFF. Generally if someone is notable enough to be included in a list of notable people, they are notable enough to have biographical wikipedia articles.  If these people can meet WP:BIO then a having them as a red link for a short time while the biographical articles are created is not a problem.  However if they cant meet wikipedia's notability guidelines themselves, then they probably aren't notable enough to include in this list.  --RadioFan (talk) 04:24, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi RadioFan, are you doing something about the rest of the schools' pages alumus sections? DragTian (talk) 05:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Suggestion: Even if it is not allowed to be un-merged back, the original list should be allowed to be put under Victoria School page. The  can be removed. It is not only schools, but many other pages with Notable sections but no write-ups in Wikipedia. I think this is being fair to Victoria School. DragTian (talk) 07:49, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * They can listed under Alumnus, and not Notable Alumnus. In this way, it will meet Wikipedia guidelines. What do you say? DragTian (talk) 07:53, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Why would you want to list alumni if they are not notable? I dont understand.  The list would be huge and that certainly wouldn't meet guidelines.  Also, lets not compare this article to others, if there are others with extensive lists of claimed to be notable people who lack biography articles, please provide a list on my talk page and they can be looked at as well.  Let's focus on this article here.--RadioFan (talk) 13:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There have been names who are minister of state (eg) which have been removed. Will certainly refer to you when there are disputes of the same kind. DragTian (talk) 16:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Caning
Is private caning practiced in VS? I have never heard of this. Is there any evidence of this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.228 (talk) 05:27, 6 December 2009 (UTC) All the schools follow Ministry of Education's guidelines. Only public caning when the student has breached major rules, eg hitting a teacher. DragTian (talk) 01:22, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

REPLY: It is written on the Wikipedia article that private canings are carried out in Victoria School. Since only public caning takes place, the sentence that VS practises private caning should be removed.

 * How do we know that "only public caning takes place"? The only source cited (the discipline page on the school's website) refers only to "caning" without specifying public or private. Most Singapore schools do a lot more private caning than public caning, so if Victoria is untypical in that respect, we need a reliable source. -- Alarics (talk) 09:34, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

 * You could be right. But I do not know if there is ever any private caning being conducted in VS before.

 * I guess since nobody has heard of private caning, there is no basis to insert it into the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.8.228 (talk) 13:01, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

 * This statement has no evidence: "Canings are normally meted out in private, but in rare cases, may be performed in front of the entire school population during morning assembly." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.8.228 (talk) 13:03, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Whoever wrote it in the first place must have had some basis for saying it. -- Alarics (talk) 14:30, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

 * There has been cases of internal caning. However to protect the students, these have not been openly announced. Thus no evidence what-so-ever is providable without violating the student's privacy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.136.64.13 (talk) 06:33, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

 * "There has been cases of internal caning." If you are aware that this really takes place, I believe we can include this in. However, it would be good to know your source - are you a teacher, a student who received caning privately, etc.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.127.20.122 (talk) 16:46, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Victoria School
Suggest you talk to RadioFan. Previously he had deleted and merged pages created separately into Victoria School without discussion. We cannot allow people who are trigger-happy to create/re-merge and repeat this all over again. DragTian (talk) 04:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I suggest removing a lot of fluff from the article. It doesn't really need a long list of people that were in charge. As it is I removed a huge pile of youtube links and if you don't want to shorten the article, others will. Eeekster (talk) 04:49, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Why don't you check what RadioFan had previously done. He will delete and re-merge them again. DragTian (talk) 04:53, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Because I don't care what that editor has done. What concerns me is the article. Besides, there was nothing wrong with doing the merge. Now that the merge is done, the article needs to be trimmed. Eeekster (talk) 04:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * all you guys do is don't care. and where is the neutral pt of view discussion that has been put in repeatedly by you?
 * If I didn't care, I wouldn't be involved. You just don't agree with me. As for the neutrality discussion, there is none. If you want to discuss the tag, start discussing it. And please keep talk about this article here and not on my talk page. Eeekster (talk) 05:05, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ok, fine. why wasn't a chapter not created to discuss? i wan to state my point that refernces, links, etc have been used to substantiate points mentioned. isn't this neutral pt of view?
 * waiting for answer
 * No discussion has been started. Start one if that's what you want. Eeekster (talk) 05:18, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * we can discuss it right here
 * so what's wrong with school anthem copyright? r u putting that in into every school page article? please answer
 * What's wrong? It's probably under copyright and there's no permission to put it on Wikipedia. What happens on the pages of other schools is completely irrelevant. So either deal with the copyright issue soon or the content is going to be removed as per policy. Eeekster (talk) 05:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Do u have something against Victoria School when u r not putting it for other schools?
 * What is yr answer to the neutral pt of view?

Categorisation of article under 'Boarding schools in school'
Hi. I note that the article has been placed under the Category:Boarding schools in Singapore. I'm wondering though if this is a right categorisation; if the boarding school in the school campus is called Victoria School only, then it should be fine. However, if the boarding school has a separate name (say Victoria School Boarding School), then perhaps the categorisation should be removed, and creating a new article on the boarding school itself would be appropriate. Thanks, and if you need further comments, you may find me on my talk page. AngChenrui (talk) 12:20, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Anthem lyrics
By default, lyrics are copyright protected. Because of Wikipedia's licensing scheme, copyrighted material of any type must not be included anywhere in Wikipedia. It is the responsibility of the author to demonstrate that any material added to Wikipedia is adequately licesnsed or shown to be in the public domain. An anonymous user has claimed that because the lyrics are reproduced on the school website at http://vs.moe.edu.sg/ (see School Information -> Anthem), this means they are in the public domain. I cannot find any claim on the website that shows its contents are public domain. Please point me to the section of the website if I am missing it. The default copyright would lie with J.A. Frazer and could not be assigned to the public domain without the explicit permission of the copyright holder - presumably Mr. Frazer or his heirs or similar. Its possible the copyright was assigned to the school, and the school has subsequently put them into the public domain, but we would need to se some documentary evidence to back up this claim before they are restored to the article. Thanks, Sparthorse (talk) 17:56, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Arrow Scout Group
I have redirected Arrow Scout Group to this article. I wanted to merge some of the contents, but on a closer look, the sourcing is not adequate and there is some original research. The history of Arrow Scout Group has been preserved so that if anyone is interested, they may consider merging some information. As of now, the article about Victoria School needs an overhaul. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 13:24, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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Monitors' Council vs Prefects' Council
Whoever it is, please stop saying in the article that the Monitors' Council is superior to the Prefects' Council, that is your personal opinion, but this is supposed to be a neutral and unbiased article, so please stop suggesting that one council is superior to the other. Thank you. woo (talk) 09:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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