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User talk:Ambi~enwiki/Archive6

State terrorism
Hey, Ambi, could you protect the State terrorism article. I, and others, have made DETAILED points in talk, and it keeps getting reverted by people with an agenda. They have no leg to stand on, they've been repeatedly proved wrong (go to the bottom of talk and see "Big edit, reasons why", and note they think that 170 MILLION people have died due to TERRORISM (by states) in the last 100 years -- It's patent nonsense). Anyways, take a look, please. Thanks. Terrapin 14:02, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

HistoryBuffEr's RFC against Proteus
You might be interested in this: Requests_for_comment/Proteus. Regards, Jayjg 21:39, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Canadian notice board vs. WikiProject
My intention was for the two to complement each other, eg. the WikiProject page as a simple list of topics and the notice board for any and all discussion (eg. coordinating efforts, discussing article formats, categories, etc.) I just think the notice board page could get unwieldy really fast if we try to do everything on one page. If people feel it's too duplicative, though, then I'll delete the other page. Bearcat 05:59, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * OK, fair enough. Killed the other page, moved the content I'd added to the notice board. Bearcat 06:24, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * laugh...you do give good guilt trip. You wouldn't happen to be a parent, would you? Bearcat 01:38, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Adminship
I know you're (supposed to :-) be away at the moment, but anyway, thanks for your support in my adminship nomination. J OHN C OLLISON [ Ludraman] 14:53, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Palestinian/Israeli issues
In case it'd be helpful, I have decent RL experience moderating Israel-Palestine issues, have a strong stomach for the topic, no particular bias towards either side, and would be happy to help in any way I can with such conflicts. --Improv 18:04, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Terrorist categories
Categories for deletion has two lists of categories related to terrorists up for deletion. Jayjg 20:46, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Schools
Since you are General Secretary of the Deletionists, and I saw some reference to your having non-deletionist tendencies with respect to schools, I was wondering if you could share your views on school inclusion overall. Thanks. Posiduck 03:55, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Link suggester on Lake Burley Griffin
Hi Ambi, I've run the Link Suggester tool on the Lake Burley Griffin article, in both selective and exhaustive modes (the real thing will only use selective). The exhaustive list is very very long and is probably 95% wrong or not worth linking to - I only included the exhaustive list in case it was of use, so don't hesitate to delete it straight away if it's not useful. All the best, Nickj 06:03, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Nosing in
Why are you nosing in on talk page comments of mine that you are not a party to, such as at User talk:RickK? Please advise. 216.153.214.94 08:21, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Editing the requests of others
Could you and RickK please be more careful with your edits? You've managed to wipe out a change of mine to *MY* request on the Page Protection page. Thanks much :)

Mediation
AlexR is unfortunately at it again. In violation of the mediation process, he attempted to effectively add a new version of the Joan of Arc entry in the Cross-Dressing article - while claiming that he was allegedly preserving the entry from modification rather than vice-versa. You can see that his "reverted" version (at 19:44:16 on 30 Oct) included a new addition, added by an anonymous user today and conveniently retained by AlexR's "reversion", which included text designed to cast doubt on the historical evidence (this time using a different specious argument). Since the new version was consistent with AlexR's basic views, it would seem to have been an attempt to add new material on the sly while mediation is supposed to be underway. This was accompanied by a flood of revisions to both "Cross-Dressing" and "Joan of Arc" by two other names (JohnBaptist and Switisweti) posting one right after another in both articles. This is either a remarkable coincidence, or classic "sockpuppet" activity. I have therefore reverted it back to the form it had at the beginning of mediation, and I would ask that you please protect the article against further tampering after reverting whatever additional vandalism these users might engage in. Frankly, I think it's also time to finally ban AlexR as a "troll", as another admin suggested, given this type of behavior. AWilliamson 22:44, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Lake Burley Griffin references
Just saw the message about Lake Burley Griffin references! sorry 'bout that... somehow I missed ur message. Will fix it up now. - Ta bu shi da yu 11:46, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

ADW General Secretary
Congratulations! You have been unanimously elected as the first General Secretary of the ADW. The votes may be seen at /Election1, and you may formally accept the position on the ADW page if you so desire. Enjoy your new position. --Slowking Man 22:31, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC)

Ambi You Hurt My Feelings
Hi Ambi, I don't think I've had the pleasure of writing to you before. I really apreciate the fact that at least you expressed the reason for opposing me and in a way I understand. I see that your a very good administrator and I hope you become a good lawyer. The only thing that I can say about the Joaquin Phoenix saga is that it was a misunderstanding on my part but, it was solved with everybody becoming friends in the end. I guess it was a case of beginners ignorence. I hope that you can count me among your Wikipedian friends, I would like that. Take care.

Tony the Marine

Thank You Ambi
Ambi, thank you for your support. I must tell you that I read some of the comments in your talk page and that I am very impressed because people look up to you with high esteem. If I become an administrator I promise not to let you and the rest of group down. I'm glad that I count on you as a Wikipedian friend. Take care.

Tony the Marine

Hottest 100s
I've done some more work on Triple J Hottest 100, 2003. I think it would be a good idea to get this one perfected before starting on the rest. It's looking pretty good already! -- Chuq 23:20, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Village Pump Proposal
Ambi, I would like your input on my proposal (or some variant of my proposal) on the village pump. Thank you. Posiduck 23:16, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

From a fan
Hi :) Just wanted to let you know that your amazing work, your myriads of new articles wo. Australia and those other little known countries and your initiative don't go unnoticed! You're one of Wikipedia's treasures! Keep up the good work you do :) Dysprosia 11:37, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dedham, Massachusetts
Your particpation in the un-justified deletion (via non-discussed reverts) of a factually accurate, non-POV, historical fact from that page has contributed to causing that page to be "protected". Therefore, I am asking you to particpate in the dialog at Talk:Dedham, Massachusetts which the "protection" notice calls for. Either that, or please leave a message for Mirv and request that the page be unprotected. This message will be reposted here daily (approximately) until you acknowledge it on the Dedham, Massachusetts talk page. Thank you 216.153.214.94 03:45, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It's not a threat, and you are now obligated to converse at Dedham, Massachusetts 216.153.214.94 05:46, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC) PS: You are the one making threats. Does that make you a bully? 216.153.214.94 05:46, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

i still like you ambi, even though you are a "bully" ;) --kizzle 09:06, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

Ambi, respecting your edit to Dedham, Massachusetts, were you interested in Dedham, Massachusetts or the establishment clause or were you there to revert Rex? Fred Bauder 12:43, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

Your turn's coming
I believe you will eventually be an arbitrator. One of the decisions we made at the beginning of establishment of procedure was that deliberations would be in private. I opposed that, advocating public deliberations. We simply never implemented that decision and there are the proposed decisions for you and everyone else to comment on. Obviously there are starts and stops and wrong turns as the various arbitrators bring their perspectives to the table. One of my failings is to give second and third chances to someone and then when they don't come though after a long effort to reform them, throw the book at them. Other arbitrators have different approaches. I'm trying a new approach and giving a pass to those who got sucked into committing offenses themselves as they tried to deal with this very troublesome user by referring to their infractions as "petty offenses". In the past we have applied mild sanctions such as a one day ban. Fred Bauder 14:11, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

 * You do understand that "troublesome" users, if they have a large supply of disparate IP addresses can simply re-incarnate themselves, yes? Wouldn't it be a gas if "Rex" has long since already re-joined under a new name and already has 1,500+ edits and has taken a more subtle approach? What will everyone do if they find out three months from now, that this new (unknown to us) editor (or re-incarnation/sockpuppet whichever term you prefer) is already earning accolades from many long-timed editors with such comments as "good job on that, thanks", etc? What would the Wiki cabal do if indeed they unkowingly promote one (or more) Rex alter-ego(s) to Admin? It's more possible than your think and frankly, would be very funny. 216.153.214.94 18:40, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I think Fred's right about your future role. Thanks for the note at the Gene Poole case.  I had foolishly moved too quickly yesterday, and had thought there wasn't enough evidence concerning Micronation -- there was, though the complainants had done an iffy job of presenting it -- thank goodness Fred invested the time to explain more thoroughly.  I don't see complaints on the evidence page for any other article, though -- if Gene has a problem at Sealand or any other micronation article, I don't know about it.  Anyway, I guess I'll go back to pondering what a good decision is -- between the two sides involved in that case, I've been "feedback"ed into a corner. :-)  Best of luck on your exams, Jwrosenzweig 15:05, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * You personally have my support in your candidacy for arbitrartor, regardless of how my own nomination for candidacy goes. Good luck! - Ta bu shi da yu 21:45, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

You're too fast!
Everytime I create an Australian article, before I can add it to the list you've already done it. Please slow down to make me feel more useful. ;) Shane King 05:48, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)

Stubs
Sorry if my stubs offend you. I cannot see that I have left anything for others to "clean up" at Kingaroy. I'll revert to my paid computer editing today. Thortful 20:55, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

On my opinions
I'm pretty sure I'm on the arbitration committee to take action in a way that I believe is consistent with the interests of Wikipedia and its community, not to reflect "community consensus". I think time has shown that people are pretty well able to listen to or ignore my opinions and arguments no matter which stage I have. Minority opinions are generally a good thing. The Cunctator 22:01, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm not using my position as a weapon. I'm just trying to serve Wikipedia honestly. I'm pretty sure the fact that I don't agree with the conventional wisdom in every case and that I'm willing to express my disagreement is why I was appointed to the committee. By the way, do you think that my espoused positions are wrong? Why? --The Cunctator 15:43, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Alamein diagram
I'm in the process of whipping up some more right now! Though most of the other lines are quite long, so bear with me. I'm using Visio rather than Paint, which makes things a lot easier. I'm quite proud of my new City Loop diagram too! :) T.P.K. 12:33, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Ambi, I Need You
Hi Ambi, How's that for a heading? I want to know if you can make a speedy deletion. Go to List of Puerto Ricans, then click on "history". Check out the insulting version of User:68.219.120.241. I would like that version completely deleted from the history page. Can you do that for me? Let me know. Thank you for everything. Tony the Marine

Thank you
Thanks for answering, today I learned something new! User:Marine 69-71

AFL medals
There's quite a bit that will be added into these pages over time I imagine - I just want to get the basics up and running as quickly as possible. But I'll add the Norm Smith winners in now—do you have a source for the Rising Star awards? Any others you can suggest while we're at it? █ T █ P █ K █  11:10, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Netoholic
I see what you mean by "Antisocial to the extreme. Regularly does controversial things unilaterally. Would very likely end up a rogue admin." on the WP:RFA page! Damn. - Ta bu shi da yu 15:17, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The arbitration matter of Rex071404 is closed
Excerpt:

2) Rex071404, Bkonrad and others who have committed petty offenses are admonished to consult Wikiquette and to conform their edits to that standard.
 * Passed 6 to 0

3) Rex071404 is banned for 4 months from editing Wikipedia articles which concern United States politics.
 * Passed 6 to 0

4.1) Rex071404 is banned from reverting any article for six months.
 * Passed 5 to 0 with 1 abstain

5) In view of his demonstrated deficiencies in engaging in and interpreting the results of research Rex071404 is required to cite a relevant authority, either by footnote or by comment embedded in the text, which supports every [disputed] edit he makes.
 * Passed 5 to 1

For principles, findings of fact, and enforcement see Requests for arbitration/Rex071404. --mav 05:06, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

My username
I've taken the points that you (and others of the same opinion) made to heart, and decided that it is in my best interests to change my name.

Because my attachment to this name makes it so difficult for me to choose a new one, I decided to make it a community event. If you want, I hope that you'll participate in my Name the Admin Candidate Contest. Thanks!

ClockworkTroll 16:19, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

William Spence
What is going is that I will not allow Herschelkrustofky to edit Australian articles. He is a longtime member of the Lyndon LaRouche cult and his sole purpose here is to spread LaRouche's disgusting and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. I have told him that I will revert all his edits to Australian articles and I will do so. If that gets me banned from Wikipedia, so be it. It's about time Wikipedia had to choose between serious editors and cranks. Adam 02:31, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I am not interested in the content of his edits. I am interested in establishing that he is an unfit person to be editing articles on Australian history (or indeed anything else, but I am no longer involved with anything else here). In fact his original Spence article was just another attempt to promote the LaRouche / Herschelkrustofky "American system" fantasy. I would be quite happy to debate biographical issues with any legitimate editor, but not with a LaRouche liar and propagandist like Herschelkrustofky. Promoting LaRoucheism is the only reason he writes Australian articles (apart from trying to annoy me). Adam 03:18, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

re: my sudden interest in the Australian labor movement
Someone added a partial paragraph on the CEC page listing personages in Australian history that the CEC looks to as its philosophical forbears. I noted that many of them did not have Wikipedia articles, so I decided to at least put some stubs up. Why do you ask? BTW, I am happy to see Adam expanding them, although he also seems to be deleting some of the perfectly legitimate material I put in my stubs. He seems to desire that any indication that these figures may have been anti-British, or pro-American, be suppressed in the articles. I would not be adverse to having you mediate this matter, provided your ultimate objective is not getting me banned (out of curiosity, I did read your message on Adam's talk page.) --Herschelkrustofsky 05:47, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Roslyn Dundas
Good article on Roslyn. I'm a friend of hers so I thought it unwise to write anything on Roslyn for fear of being branded POV. --Roisterer 04:45, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Tuggeranong Merge
Hi Ambi, I think that the Tuggeranong, Canberra article is a duplicate of the Tuggeranong (district) article and it was probably correct to merge them. Tuggeranong is a district and doesn't exist as a suburb. Martyman 10:39, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is strange that the only Canberra district with a similarly named suburb is Belconnen. Martyman 10:50, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Tasmanian politician lists
Hi Ambi, sorry for being so slack getting back to you.. yeah feel free to move them to whereever is appropriate. I was going to point out to you that the Legislative Council members are elected on a rotating basis so it would be a bit difficult to sort these ones into groups. Maybe "Members of the Tasmanian Legislative Council, elected 1990-1999", "2000-2009", etc. -- Chuq 23:17, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

U.S. embargo against Cuba
You voted for U.S. embargo against Cuba, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article.

Pol Pot
Good quick catch. Alas, you may be on your own on this one for a bit due to the blindness of the ArbCom. Very Verily 23:54, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sure, help yourself. Of course, the fact that it's mockery of the ArbCom may be clear, for better or for worse. Also, you might want to keep an eye on Khmer Rouge; I'll be out of reverts pretty soon. Very Verily 08:56, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Katrina Price
This what you had in mind? Niteowlneils 02:34, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Cool. I actually don't follow NCAA basketball much, but as a fairly rabid University of Washington Huskies college football fan, I'm fairly familiar with the NCAA structure, and as a sometimes Seattle SuperSonics fan, am familiar with basketball statistical abbreviations and whatnot. I noticed your new User page says you are sometimes known as "Beck"--that caught my attention since that is also my dad's most often used name, short for Verbeck. Anyway, good luck with the degree. Niteowlneils 17:49, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks
For your kind note about my service as an arbitrator. :-) I feel as though I did very little, but perhaps it was a critical juncture for the AC in which any effort was important. Good luck in your own candidacy -- though of course we've had some disagreements about how arbitration does/should work, I respect you a great deal, and I have faith you'll do an excellent job.  Best wishes, Jwrosenzweig 15:07, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Arbitration matter of Avala is closed
1) The above findings of fact show that Avala has often worked against consensus and majority opinion. We therefore rule that Avala must follow the majority opinion of the users involved concerning any controversial edits that Avala makes. One specific consequence is that violations of the three revert rule are not permitted. This probation period will last for one month.

2) For a period of 3 months, should a serious dispute arise between Avala and other users with respect to editing of an article Avala is required to cite substantial authority supporting the position he is taking and either enter the dispute resolution process regarding the matter or drop the matter. A serious dispute is defined as one in which any party to the dispute has reverted the other 3 times or more. After Avala makes his third revert he shall cease editing the article with respect to the disputed matter until completion of the dispute resolution process. Resolution of the dispute in his favor shall require verification that the authority cited adequately supports the information he advocates including in the article. With respect to matters of taste such as size of templates he is required to defer to majority opinion.

3) Given the fact that Avala is now editing at a low rate, we reserve the right to revisit the conduct issue of this user once/if Avala starts to edit at an increased rate again and other users complain about Avala's conduct. This probation would last one year.

For principles, findings of fact, and enforcement see Requests for arbitration/Avala. --mav 21:47, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Matter of LGagnon
No one is trying to lynch this editor. I don't think it's a good idea to remove talk-page discussion. I think the wiki way is to discuss it with the editor concerned and if they accept your view that you should not have veered off topic, then you can remove the material concerned. I don't believe LGagnon should be given special powers if his/her position is that it's okay to simply impose your view on other editors. You and I clearly disagree on some issues (you are, after all, a leading deletionist, while I'm for keeping more rather than less) but I was perfectly courteous to LGagnon, have asked him/her not to conduct a vendetta and invited him/her to remove any comments he/she felt prejudiced his/her election or were unfair. I have also said that if he/she is renominated and has shown more willingness to discuss these issues with other editors (which he/she most certainly has not, you might have noted), I would vote for him/her next time. I think describing this as trying to lynch him/her is a little unreasonable. Perhaps you would reconsider and refactor your comment? I feel I should note that one of the editors you are accusing is standing against you in an election. I do not suggest whatsoever that I believe your comment was motivated by this but you know that the whole election has seen vicious behaviour -- particularly that directed at Shane King -- and you ought not perhaps to allow the possibility of the accusation.Dr Zen 02:40, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. I don't call for LGagnon's head. I think he/she will be an unsuitable admin is all, for the reasons I gave. I bring Shane into it only because there has been a whispering campaign against him on account of his endorsing one of the editors who opposed LGagnon.
 * I've blocked the two editors in question because they write very long, harassing messages to me, which I asked them not to, and in a few days they will have cooled down and forgotten I exist. We are asked to minimise conflict and that's one way of doing it: turn away and not continue. I think it's fair enough not to allow other editors to troll me on my talk page. They're not hoping to discuss anything with me, only to cause upset.Dr Zen 02:56, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Endorsement
Greetings, Ambi. You have my endorsement for Arbitration Committee Elections December 2004, and you have therefore earned the Quadell seal of approval. Feel free to use this image, or not, as you like. (You won't hurt my feelings if you don't.)   – Quadell (talk) (help)   04:54, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

From Herschel K
Please note my response at User_talk:Fred_Bauder.

--Herschelkrustofsky 22:54, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

MacGyverMagic for adminship
I've decided to take the plunge and self-nominate for adminship to make the work I do a lot easier. Please head over to Requests_for_adminship and let your voice be heard. There's no hard feelings if you oppose, just make sure you let me know how I can improve. -- [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 10:33, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your support! [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 11:05, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)

Parliament tables
Thats no problem - how was it interfering? It looked ok to me.. what screen resolution do you use? I like it up the top-right, because as you click the links to go to other articles it gives the illusion of "scrolling" from page to page, as you are at the same point of the page (the top). Hard to describe but I hope you know what I mean :) -- Chuq 12:07, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

CSB
Well, if someone will get Xed to stop pulling this passive-aggressive crap, I'll gladly come back to an active role in the project, but I'm not going to do work just to have him revert it. What's the point? And he certainly won't listen to me, and almost no one else seems to be telling him to knock it off. I feel I've done my share of standing up to him, but no one particularly backed me up. It's very heartening to hear that others share my concerns (that is said without a trace of sarcasm), but does anyone have any ideas for how to deal with his behavior? Because, as I said, I will not try to work closely with someone who is constantly resorting to a passive-aggressive approach and who keeps bypassing consensus. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:48, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * What of importance did I revert? What consensus did I bypass? You haven't mentioned anything. - Xed 03:09, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Ambi, you are welcome to address Xed on this, but I'm not interested right now. -- Jmabel | Talk 03:16, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * The question was for you. - Xed

 * I still think -- as I thought at the outset -- that the key to all of this is recruitment from different demographic groups than mainly contribute now to Wikipedia, which includes working out what structures we need in Wikipedia to better support participation by people other than the thick-skinned, especially since the thick-skinned tend (only tend) to be those from relatively privileged backgrounds. (I have a lot I could say on this.) That's where I wanted to focus from the outset, but I wasn't (and am not) about to work on recruiting people into a vipers' nest.
 * I also think that keeping an overt list of participants -- which for some weird reason Xed to keep trying to hide,
 * I'm really getting sick of your accusations. The list of participants is the first bullet point on the page- Xed 03:33, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * . -- Jmabel | Talk 05:10, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was getting rid of repetition. The list of participants is still the first bullet point on the page you paranoid loony. - Xed 09:46, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * or so it seems to me -- can be useful. It lets active project members seek out less active ones for their specific expertise. For example, I can't imagine where our translation efforts would be without Translators available or an equivalent.
 * I definitely think that having a singled-out collaboration (or one in each of several categories) at any given time is also good, as is maintaining a list of what has already been accomplished.
 * If the notice board approach will cover these bases, then great.
 * I'm about to cut out for at least a few hours, but I'd be happy to brainstorm this. -- Jmabel | Talk 03:16, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)

What you are suggesting with multiple notice boards for the various areas sounds like a good idea. I'll probably put them all on my watchlist.

Hello
I made the table to tell her current stage name which is Ha Ri-Su and her subsequent birth name as a boy and her current true name. If you still do not understand the value of the table, please proceed to other Koreans and their table of names is there. This include their Hangul, Hanja, Revised Romanization and McCune Reischauer pronuoncation. It is better to have it. I got the idea from other articles written by others eg: Lee Sabi, BoA. If you are not happy about it, tell me why. Thanks, User:Chan Han Xiang

Furthermore, my ssecond reason o do this is that their fans can know how to use and pronounce their names correctly. You may use the List of Koreans for reference. You are welcome to create some pages as well. Thanks,User:Chan Han Xiang

Ambi, I'm beginning to feel that people aren't really concerned with article content here, that they're just out to get me. Maybe that's crazy, but what conclusion am I supposed to draw? After I did all those revisions to the article (granted, they've now been mostly destroyed by Reene's reverts, but they're still in the history), you tell me the concerns haven't be addressed? For God's sake, how? I invite you to contribute something to the talk page, to help me negotiate compromise by dealing with specific points. Everyking 04:15, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, Ambi. You know Reene's edits are utterly unacceptable to me, and I'll vote against it for featured if they stay. In the meantime, however, I've proposed a compromise (about my fifth one since this whole thing started, I think, but whatever) on the article talk page that I urge you to read; I need to build support for it, else this revert war could drag on forever. Everyking 04:34, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Did you not read what I wrote? Did you not see the compromise proposal? How on earth can you say I want the article unchanged? Everyking 04:44, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

At the bottom. Everyking 04:57, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yes, well, with Reene's "contributions" it is now very far away indeed. Nevertheless, I feel my compromise is a good one, and it's about as much as I'm willing to concede. If you don't want to endorse it, however, that's fine; you need not take part in conflict resolution that doesn't directly involve you anyway. Everyking 05:11, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

And furthermore, Ambi, it seems to me that you're completely ignoring all the work I put into the article myself fixing objections. Why is it that I am treated like crap about this? You say it still had all the same problems as before. In fact, it had none of them: I created a reference section, I reworked the general critical review paragraphs, and I removed a redundant quote and several bits of minor detail (the last being against my better judgment, I might add). And yet I get no credit for that at all, while Reene, who is nothing but a troll with a personal dislike for Ashlee Simpson, gets praised for demolishing the article. I'm just at a loss, I don't know what to think about this anymore. Everyking 05:38, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

congrats on the legal threat :)
Thanks for a good laugh. As if there is not enough stupid spammers with legal threats on NANAE, now we see WP trolls suing sincere moderators for their right to disrupt the collaboration here! This is probably a WP first — I haven't heard of other cases yet... Keep up the good work! BACbKA 09:40, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Modernism
Hi, I've been away for a few days, hence the silence. Thanks for your very kind words on WP:FA. Filiocht 08:39, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

Changing Options for Votes
I know we continue to clash heads on this, but could you please avoid changing options for votes in the Australian City disambiguation process. Instead could you create a new option for people to vote for. I am going to create two new options, one which allows capital cities to remain City and another which allows all cities larger than our smallest capital Darwin to remain City .--ZayZayEM 02:57, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I actually just started out with the two simplest options. Disambiguate all, or don't disambiguate unless necessary. I thought nobody really appreciated a complicated system (given that "larger than Darwin" was more popular than "just capitals"). By repeatedly switching it around, it is just going to get confusing, so I am going to leave it. But next time someone sets up a vote you could show consideration before modifying options that have already been set up.--ZayZayEM 05:49, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dispute about RfC protocol.
Greetings. User:HistoryBuffEr and I are having a disagreement about the protocol of an RfC page here, and I wonder if you could lend your expertise.

HistoryBuffEr started an RfC against me, and I responded in the Response section. Several other users endorsed the Response. HistoryBuffer commented on the various users' endorsements in the same section. It seemed to me that the Response section wasn't the place for the complainant to make further accusations or other statements, so I moved these comments to talk. Was this an appropriate thing for me to do? HistoryBuffEr objected, and moved the comments back. So where should these comments go? Any help you could offer would be appreciated. Thanks. – Quadell (talk) (help)  20:29, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

cc: User talk:Ta bu shi da yu, User talk:Theresa knott, and User talk:Neutrality.

Yarralumla comments?
Hi Ambi. I have been working on Yarralumla to try to address Jeronimo and your objections, and would like to discuss the options.

 * 1) a) I thought the lead section did a reasonable job of sumerising the main points of the article. Can you see any more information from the article you think should be included?
 * 2) b)I don't like the idea of combining the Notable places section into parragraph form. I have had a quick go at it, visable at User:Martyman/Sandbox. Most of the "main articles" linked in the current version I actually spun off of the Yarralumla article when I thought that they where starting to get too long. Also your suggestion and Jeronimo's for the section seem to be suggesting oppisite things. What do you think?
 * 3) c) I still have to put some work into making the amenities section read better. It was born out of several smaller section that where more closely related to the Summer Hill sections to begin with, but they lacked enough content so I combined them into it's current form. I would rather avoid having to break it up again if possible.
 * 4) d) The references are now in the accepted wikipedia standard (not something I could say for summer hill).
 * 5) e) I added some local political issues in the politics section. I don't think adding too much info here is wise as the electorate involved covers half of Canberra and should be dealt with seperately.

 * Ok, I will have a go at sumerising more of the article into the lead section. I just had a closer look at the Summer Hill lead section, and it is not in fact a lead section at all... It is not a summary of the article, it is just a suburb trivia section, none of which is mentioned later in the article.

 * From what I can see the difference between Yarralumla and the places you have linked too (ie. Sarajevo and Marshall, Texas) is that Yarralumla is quite a small suburb in a city. No I wouldn't expect the Yarralumla landmarks to warrant this much (if any) text in the Canberra article, but if this is the only place in Wikipedia they are going to be mentioned than they should be given decent treatment. Landmarks that I have spun off onto seperate pages I have culled down to around around 2 sentences. Yarralumla is notable amoungst Canberra suburbs in that it has any landmarks of note at all. Most Canberra suburbs have no history and no notable buildings or places.

 * The way you describe splitting up the amenities section sounds almost exactly like the way I had the article before I re-arranged it. See . I re-arranged it after User:Petaholmes's comment here Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Canberra. I prefer the way it is now, rather than re-creating small sections like education and adding the bus route info back into transport I can't see a Charateristics section being very useful.

 * I haven't been able to find any data on Yarralumla voting booths. Martyman 02:48, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Oh and also I have not included less notable places like the three churches in Yarralumla in the notable places section which would have been included if I was following Summer Hill's lead. Martyman 02:53, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Gabon
Thanks! This is my first outing working with one of the African Historial Dictionaries series; it's been really handy for the next level of depth. Plus the references are awesome - 1,450 for Gabon! Stan 16:07, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Saltwater Creek Ruins
I'd like to write up an entry about it, precisely because there seems to be so little information about it on the Web. It rarely even appears in tourist brochures - I only head about it through word of mouth when we visited Tasmania in 2000. It's on the Tasman Peninsula, it's a convict mining settlement. Apparently the convicts who were too troublesome for Port Authur were sent here. If you ever head down there, make sure you check it out - it's totally undeveloped, you get there via a poorly marked dirt track, but it's well worth the visit. Cnwb 22:19, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * If you find any good info, I'd be keen to help wikify it. The photos are just sitting there waiting to be used :) Cnwb 22:49, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Summer Hill politics section
Hi Ambi, You had some concerns about the politics section in Summer Hill, New South Wales previously. You mentioned that you might be able to copyedit it at a later stage after your exams ... if they've over a) Yay! b) Do you think it still needs to be copyedited? All the best, -- Nickj 01:59, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Candy Broad
Ambi, I just would like to see a bit more on her personal life. Some family information would be necessary for the article, but more is not required (for me) to make it featured. Jeronimo 08:42, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

To do lists
Luverly. Looks Like I dont have to worry aboutcreating my own.

Two things
 * I don't think extra sub pages^ should exist in the complet todo list (the idea is it is Complete). Brownlow medallists and their ilk belong in genuine lists. And unmade articles added to redlinks+People category.

 * A section for Australian substubs (like Portia DeRossi) near Requests for Expansion.

Extra categories - Annual Events, Explorers, Crime (might add more as the come to mind)

^except "Pages needing images" that could be a subpage, that wya people can just add that section to their watchlist.

Other than that I'd support it replacing the current one. I like the tendency to focus on redlinks. --ZayZayEM 08:50, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I was thinking Pages needing Images, Pages needing review, Requests for expansion could be subpages inserted using the technique I was dabbling with, as these are slightly different from the general todo, and particular people might specifically want to watch for changes to these lists.

 * I guess mammoth list that should not really be lists will have to be subpages for now.
 * --ZayZayEM 09:35, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Take a look at the top section (above People) of my rough (User:ZayZayEM/Sandbox) Just a small section of "other places for people to look at". And then the redlinks.

 * They would be wikied as the using that feature. But if you feel that would make them to long, the could be simple wikilinks to pages like the ones above them.--ZayZayEM 02:27, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oh, and I haven't touched anything on the House or senate table-thingies.--ZayZayEM 02:31, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

members of parliament
why have you removed the link table from all the house of reps members pages. the other way made far more sense as it also linked the senate. Xtra 12:28, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

from my view it looked perfect. can't it be put down the bottom? Xtra 13:32, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hey Ambi, I've changed the AusFedMP template to be centered, and have placed it as a footer in Members of the Australian Senate, 2002-2005 and Members of the Australian House of Representatives, 2001-2004 - I can add it to others if it looks ok to you. Should I pass the hat around AWNB to get you a better video card/monitor? :) -- Chuq 23:03, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

i was just assuming that as senate is fixed 3 years for half. to just do for every 3 years. unless that is incorrect. Xtra 02:52, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

because the senate is exactly 3 years and the house is 3 years or less, they get out of sync and at some stage will become so warped as to force a double dissolusion. that is why, since the last double dissolusion in 198-? the years started the same, but are now changing. e.g. this years election was for this years house but for next years senate. understand? or am i all over the place? Xtra 02:59, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * a double dissolusion by definition means that all senators are up for election.
 * if there was a double dissolusion in 1983, the senate sitting in 1984 would be from the 1983 election.
 * double dissolutions dont have to wait the 3 years that you have to for a regular half senate election.
 * they can be called whenever the senate is blocking legislation and the government believes it is still popular.
 * for a list of election dates visit here
 * house of reps = house of reps only
 * half senate = half senate only
 * simultanious dissolution = both houses dissolved and up for election (double dissolusion)
 * nothing = house of reps election + half senate election
 * i believe that a in double dissolusion, since both house are dissolved (normaly the senate is prorogued - check that in a dictionary) the senate no langer exists and rather than waiting till the next july to sit again they start straight after the election.
 * any further queries - just ask. Xtra 07:19, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

HistoryBuffEr is unblocked?!?
Is this true? If so, why?! - Ta bu shi da yu 08:09, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Ambi, please see Talk:Quadell. The edit in response to User:Ferkelparade was a revert plus an update.  It's a strategy HistoryBuffEr uses to hide his reverts.  This is not the first time he is done this. I have provided the necessary links on Quadell's talk page.  A revert plus an update is still a revert. --Viriditas 08:13, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * This is correct. I have reblocked him, for another 13 hours. Please don't unblock him until you leave a message on my talk page and we can work this out! He must be taught that reverting the way he is reverting is not acceptable. And we must enforce the 3RR rule.- Ta bu shi da yu 08:17, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * No, as I've already noted on Viriditas's page, it was a very sneaky edit and I also missed it until I had a closer look. No need to apologise! I'm glad to see you were on the ball and are willing to take a stand against possible admin abuses. Truly, you will make a fantastic arbcom comittee member! - Ta bu shi da yu 08:39, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for being involved in this, Ambi. This sort of thing is very easy to miss, and I've also gotten confused trying to keep track of who made what reverts in what time period. No problem. Thanks again! – Quadell (talk) (help)  14:52, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)

The 10 Random Pages Test
I'm glad you're working on cleaning up those articles, but I don't think it's a fair test to ask that most of the pages on Random page are great, or even good pages. I think wikipedia will always have a lot of pages that are just starting out, even if they will get more and more esoteric (and/or VfD fodder) as time goes on. I think the Random page feature will always come up with a lot of such pages. A corallary to that is that all of wikipedia should not be distributed in any form that has space or quality restrictions. Thoughts? JesseW 00:55, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Senate lists
Normally Senators take their seats on the 1 July following the election. Thus the Senators elected in October 2004 will take their seats on 1 July 2005. But Section 13 of the Constitution (as amended in 1907) provides that after a double dissolution they will take their seats immediately after the election, and will be deemed to have sat since the preceeding 1 July. Thus the Senators elected at the March 1983 double dissolution were deemed to have taken their seats on 1 July 1982, and their terms therefore expired on 30 June 1985, which was why there had to be an early election in December 1984. The list is therefore correct with the note I have added. Adam 07:40, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Re: Guanaco
Hello,

Thanks for your message regarding my vote and comment.

In my dealings with Guanaco, I have sometimes witnessed him use his administrator powers without understanding his reasons. At first I thought this was simply bizarre behaviour, but then I decided to ask him why he'd taken actions that left me puzzled (a few times via his talk page). In all cases, I was satisfied with his response.

I recognise that Guanaco has a tendency to be terse and can seem intransigent, but the in the controversies I've seen that involve him, he has been able to justify his actions or admit his mistakes. While Guanaco's style may make one question his suitability as an administrator, the substance of his edits, which is the vital criterion, convinces me that he deserves to retain administrator privileges.

Acegikmo1 20:59, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Murray River
You voted for Murray River, this week's Australian Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. Thanks.

Sakia Gunn
Thanks for the props! I was a little disappointed too, when I found the crappy stub. Darkcore 15:31, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Request for article expansion assistance
Ambi, would you be able to assist me with the expansion of a fairly important article? The article is Select Committee on Reserves (Reserve 43131) Bill 2003 and I've got lots of sources of information. I really think we can give a fair and NPOV article on this contentious WA issue. Would you be able to help me out on this one? - Ta bu shi da yu 12:44, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Australian city disambiguation resolution
You may wish to summarise the resolution on Australian city disambiguation on the page Naming conventions (city names) so its somewhere official. --ZayZayEM 12:45, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Herschelkrustofsky
Ambi, if you have a moment, would you mind taking a look at Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Lyndon LaRouche/Proposed decision? Herschelkrustofsky has initiated a query of the Arbitration Committee for clarification of their ruling about LaRouche activisim in Wikipedia. I agree that clarification is needed, because I feel the wording of the ruling was unclear and has left loopholes that the three or four LaRouche activists are exploiting (three of four user names, I should say: I'm not convinced they are separate editors). I have therefore written up a fairly long response to Herschelkrustofsky's query and have requested clarification from the Committee on specific points. The reason I'm writing to you is that I know you've expressed some concerns about the LaRouche supporters' edits, and so I wondered whether you'd be prepared to comment on the page. I've also let Adam know about this, though he may feel he doesn't want to open up the issue again. If you don't want to comment, don't worry about it, but I thought I'd let you know anyway. I feel this may be an opportunity to resolve some of the problems these people have been causing. Many thanks, Slim 03:17, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
 * Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
 * Multi-Licensing Guide
 * Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the " " template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace " " with "  ". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. – Ram-Man (comment) (talk)  13:43, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

Adminship
Salve, Ambi! Back in September I was a candidate for adminship, but I withdrew. Since then, I've been working away and have now decided to try again, nominating myself. As you supported me then, I'd appreciate your vote on the new candidacy at Requests for adminship/PedanticallySpeaking2. Ave atque vale! PedanticallySpeaking 19:03, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

--David Iberri | Talk 21:48, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

RFC pages on VfD
Should RFC pages be placed on VfD to be deleted? I'm considering removing Requests for comment/Slrubenstein, Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig and Requests for comment/John Kenney from WP:VFD. Each of them was listed by CheeseDreams. Your comments on whether I should do this would be appreciated. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:16, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Admin noticeboard
Just thought you might want to know about an admin noticeboard I've created. I'm only telling admin friends because I got blocked for "spamming" already by User:Silsor, so this might be unfair only to tell a few select people but I don't want to risk getting another block. See Administrator's noticeboard. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:33, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

australian electoral history
i was just browsing over the articles on new zealand's electoral history and they are far more advanced in their progress than we are. i suggest looking at their articles as they look good and are quite comprehensive. see the bottom of New Zealand Parliament. Xtra 06:43, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Block request
Aloha. User:Alberuni should be blocked for his latest four reverts on List of Palestinian children killed by Israelis in 2004. Also, please notice the deceptive edit summaries. Reverts plus updates are a violation of the 3RR --Viriditas | Talk 08:59, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 06:47, 12 Dec 2004 Alberuni (typos) - Revert plus update
 * 04:48, 12 Dec 2004 Alberuni (typos) - Revert plus update
 * 01:59, 12 Dec 2004 Alberuni (The article is a composite from several sources.) - Revert
 * 01:37, 12 Dec 2004 Alberuni (format) - Revert plus update

 * I've blocked Alberuni for 24 hours. Johnleemk | Talk 09:04, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your attention in this matter. --Viriditas  | Talk 09:12, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Facility Tables
The facility tables were an experiment to see how they looked. I only added it to Box Hill railway station, Melbourne to see how it looked and was going to remove it later. Somebody in the WWW 23:24, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Bert Newton
You voted for Bert Newton, this week's Australian Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. Thanks.

Error
Thanks for spotting that error. Adam 13:00, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Auto
Hi, Rebecca. In November, when I nominated Autobiography (album) for FAC, you were fairly vocal in telling me where it was flawed. As I remember, you mainly complained about it having a POV slant and it needing concert info...isn't that right? Well, I've done a fair bit of NPOVing and expansion since then, including some concert info, and although I still have more work ahead of me, I'm considering nominating it again for FAC at some point not too far off. I was wondering if you'd look over it for me and tell me if you think the problems have all been properly remedied or not, or what else I can do to improve it. Also, do you have any idea what span of time I should wait before renominating it? Do you think people would be fine if I renominated it a month or so after the original nomination? Everyking 00:50, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I think the critical review section is basically balanced. Maybe I'll throw in another negative quote or two if possible. And I can't fix the "stylistic problems" unless you tell me what you mean by that. What's an example? Everyking 03:08, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * The detail is what makes a great article. I wouldn't want some stub of an article to be featured. Those chart positions are great content; it's that kind of thing that makes a Wikipedia article great. As for the critical summary, it seems to me that you ought to represent both positive and negative reviews of an album, unless there really aren't any of one or the other (or none that are significant), and that you ought to write the article so as to roughly present the critical opinion according to what it is. If it's mostly positive, with some dissenters, you have maybe 1 negative cite for every 3 or 4 positive cites; in this case, where it's roughly even, you represent it as mixed by having about as many positive as negative cites. I don't see what better way there could be to do it, and that's basically what I think I've done with the article in question. Everyking 06:20, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * As far as I can tell, it's not the style of the prose that you object to, it's the level of detail. I have every reason to want to discuss it with you if I can expect you to veto a FAC nomination. You know how important this is to me. You ought to either tell me what I can do to get you to drop your opposition, or just abstain from voting on it. I'm thinking of ways to expand the intro, so if I do that'll be one of the problems remedied. And I'm thinking of ways to incorporate more negative criticism without being unfair. Everyking 06:44, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * You think the data from outside North America is sorely lacking? I've gone to a lot of trouble to dig up info on chart positions from various other countries. Anyway, the paragraph that you say is terribly written is summarized. That's why I created the chart, so I could summarize that paragraph and present the data more clearly at the same time. However, the paragraph is necessary because it includes sales figures, which the chart doesn't do, and because it includes cites everything, which the chart can't do, and because it includes other little bits of info, like the fact that the Now! album displaced it or the fact that it increased 61% in sales last week. And there's really no way I can remove the quotes, because things need to be cited; nobody wants to hear my opinion on "Love Makes the World Go Round", but I assume people would like to know what the critics think about it. Everyking 07:05, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Unverified image
Thanks for uploading the image I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use if you release it under the GFDL, or  if you claim fair use, etc.) Thanks,  Kbh3rd 04:43, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Image:Kerrynettle.jpg

Solicitation
We've just finished a (lengthy) discussion and revision over at Reformed Egyptian, and those of use who were involved consider your opinion both valuable and likely-to-be-reasoned-and-equitable. So we wondered if you would do us the favour of looking it over and letting us know if you think the article as it stands is both fair and accurate? - Nauvoo 20:56, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Feyli language

Regarding the location of Khanaqin, how can a place in western part of Iraq be close to Iranian border? Can anyone check this? --Pouya 10:22, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * western -> eastern --Pouya 19:13, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Old Colwyn

Old Colwyn (Hen Golwyn, formerly Colwyn bilingually) is a village just to the east of Colwyn Bay, in Conwy County Borough, Wales.

Prior to local government reorganisation in April 1974 it was part of the Municipal Borough of Colwyn Bay, but the reorganisation established it as a separate community, whose population at the 2001 census was 7,626, increasing to 8,113 at the 2011 census. It hosted the National Eisteddfod in 1941. It also harbours the 3rd Colwyn Bay (Old Colwyn) Scout Group headquarters and is home to the area's comprehensive school, Ysgol Bryn Elian.

Amenities
Old Colwyn has an area of woodland called the 'Fairy Glen'. This area of woodland is said to contain many different spirits including fairies, hence its name, which dates from the Victorian era and is a common name from that period (e.g. the "Fairy Glen" in Penmaenmawr). This area has recently undergone a regeneration with funding from the council and it is now possible to walk through it easily. The Fairy Glen is subject to an ownership dispute between Conwy County Borough Council and the water company, Dŵr Cymru, each claiming that the maintenance of the area is the responsibility of the other.

Old Colwyn was once overlooked by the Hotel 70 Degrees, (just above Tan-y-Lan) so named because the architect who designed it used 70 degree angles in its construction. Built in 1972, it was demolished in 2007, to be replaced by a housing development. It also has easy access onto the promenade and beach, as well as a protruded cliff area known as Penmaenhead, marked by a disused stone utility house. This is a popular spot amongst teenagers for the dangerous practice of "cliff jumping" when tide is in and the water is deep enough, though to date nobody has been hurt.

History
In 1334, the village was mentioned in a government survey as "Coloyne".

In 1685, the village was known as "Colwun" and had a population of twenty.

Following the Census Act 1800, Colwyn had a population of 150 with twenty-three cottages, twelve farms and two inns.

During the nineteenth century, the village of Colwyn became increasingly known as "Old Colwyn" to distinguish it from the newly formed town of Colwyn Bay (initially called "New Colwyn") to the west.

In 1884, Old Colwyn railway station opened (briefly initially named "Colwyn railway station") on the North Wales Coast Line.

In December 1952, the railway station closed; however, both the line and a street called "Station Road" remain.

Since 1984, Colwyn Bay Football Club's ground has been situated on Llanelian Road, Old Colwyn.

Former tramway
The Llandudno and Colwyn Bay Electric Railway operated an electric tramway service between Llandudno and Rhos-on-Sea from 1907 and extended to Colwyn Bay in 1908. The service closed in 1956.

Education
Old Colwyn has one infant school (Ysgol T. Gwyn Jones), one primary school (Ysgol Hen Golwyn), and one secondary school (Ysgol Bryn Elian).

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Hoeksche Waard

The Hoekse Waard (pre-1947 spelling: Hoeksche Waard) is an island between the Oude Maas, Dordtsche Kil, Hollands Diep, Haringvliet and Spui rivers in the province of South Holland in the Netherlands. The island, part of the namesake municipality of Hoeksche Waard, is a mostly agricultural region, south of the outskirts of Rotterdam. The Hoeksche Waard consists of reclaimed land (polders): after the Saint Elisabeth flood of 1421 most of the area was flooded. The land has been reclaimed gradually in the following centuries.

Former municipalities
The Hoeksche Waard formerly consisted of the following municipalities until these were merged on 1 January 2019:

 * Binnenmaas (villages Blaaksedijk, Heinenoord, Goidschalxoord, Maasdam, Mijnsheerenland, Puttershoek, Westmaas and 's-Gravendeel)
 * Cromstrijen (villages Klaaswaal and Numansdorp)
 * Korendijk (villages Goudswaard, Nieuw-Beijerland, Piershil and Zuid-Beijerland, and the island of Tiengemeten)
 * Oud-Beijerland
 * Strijen (villages Cillaarshoek, Mookhoek, Strijen and Strijensas)

Surrounding waters
The Hoeksche Waard is separated:
 * from IJsselmonde island on the north by the Oude Maas (tunnel)
 * from Voorne-Putten island on the west by the Spui (ferry)
 * from the island of Dordrecht on the east by the Dordtsche Kil (tunnel)
 * from Goeree-Overflakkee island on the southwest by the Haringvliet (bridge)
 * from the Province of North Brabant on the southeast by the Hollands Diep (bridge)

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OAI

OAI may refer to:

 * Object-action interface
 * Office of American Innovation
 * Omni Air International, a charter airline
 * Open Archives Initiative, standards body
 * Open Archives Initiative Protocol for Metadata Harvesting
 * Open Archives Initiative Object Reuse and Exchange
 * OAI, the IATA code of Bagram Airfield, Afghanistan
 * OR-AND-invert, a logic gate made up of OR gates followed by a NAND gate
 * Shorthand for OpenAI, an AI company

title: OAI


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User:Cinyimini

I'm active at the German Wikipedia. If you do speak German, you may have a look at my German user page.

My favourite topic is skiing.

de:Benutzer:Cinymini

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Llandybie

Llandybie (Llandybïe, "Saint Tybie's church") is a village and community which includes a large village of the same name situated 2 mi north of Ammanford in Carmarthenshire, Wales.

According to the United Kingdom Census 2001, Llandybie village itself is home to a population of 3,800, while the community – which also includes the villages of Blaenau, Caerbryn, Capel Hendre, Cwmgwili, Pentregwenlais, Penybanc, Pen-y-groes, and Saron – has 8,800 inhabitants, increasing to 10,994 at the 2011 census.

It was in Llandybie, in 1943, that the mineral Brammallite was found for the first time. Llandybie hosted the National Eisteddfod of Wales in 1944.

The village is served by Llandybie railway station on the Heart of Wales Line and the A483 road which is the main road. Llandybie Community Primary School is located in the north-easterly fringe of the village.

The community is bordered by the communities of: Dyffryn Cennen; Cwmamman; Betws; Ammanford; Llanedi; Llannon; Gorslas; and Llanfihangel Aberbythych, all being in Carmarthenshire.

Notable people

 * Lady Caroline Catharine Wilkinson (1822–1881), a Welsh botanist and author
 * John Thomas Job (1867–1938), a Welsh minister, hymn-writer and poet.
 * Anne Ceridwen Rees (1874 in Pentregwenlais – 1905), a Welsh physician who practiced in New Jersey
 * Elmer Rees, CBE FRSE (1941–2019), a Welsh mathematician and director of the Heilbronn Institute for Mathematical Research
 * Jenny Ogwen (born ca.1943), former actress and TV presenter

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Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk

The Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk is an oceanfront amusement park in Santa Cruz, California. Founded in 1907, it is California's oldest surviving amusement park and one of the few seaside parks on the West Coast of the United States.

Description
The boardwalk extends along the coast of the Monterey Bay, from just east of the Santa Cruz Municipal Wharf to the mouth of the San Lorenzo River. At the western edge of the park lies a large building originally known as The Plunge, now Neptune's Kingdom, a pirate-themed recreation center which contains a video arcade and an indoor miniature golf course. Next to this is the Casino Fun Center which includes a laser tag arena and next to that is the Cocoanut Grove banquet room and conference center. A Laffing Sal automated character, from San Francisco's Playland, is viewable near the miniature golf course.

East of the casino, the boardwalk portion of the park stretches along a wide, sandy Main Beach visitors can access easily from the park. The eastern end of the boardwalk is dominated by the Giant Dipper, a wooden roller coaster that is one of the most visible landmarks in Santa Cruz. The Dipper and the Looff Carousel, which still contains its original 342-pipe organ built in 1894, are both on the US National Register of Historic Places. They were, together, declared to be a National Historic Landmark in 1987 and the park is California Historical Landmark number 983.

There are old-fashioned carnival games and snack booths throughout the 24 acre park. It is located at 400 Beach Street in Santa Cruz, 36.96417°N, -122.01778°W south of the Ocean Street exit of California State Route 1, which is the southern terminus of California State Route 17.

History
Fred W. Swanton formed the Santa Cruz Beach, Cottage, and Tent City Corporation in 1903 and the following year, the City of Santa Cruz granted permission for commercial buildings to be built. On 14 June 1904, the Neptune Casino opened with an arcade, grill and dining room, and a theater.

The beach was a destination for railroads and trolleys from 1875. From 1927 to 1959, Southern Pacific Railroad ran Suntan Special excursion trains to the beach from San Francisco, Oakland, and San Jose every summer Sunday and holiday. A short passenger service to Roaring Camp via the San Lorenzo river canyon in Henry Cowell Redwoods State Park was restored in 1985 by the Santa Cruz, Big Trees and Pacific Railway, which stops in front of the park.

, the park is headed by Charles Canfield, the son of Laurence Canfield, the president of the park from the 1950s until the early 1980s. It has won the Best Seaside Amusement Park Award from Amusement Today every year since 2007 except for 2015. Although there is no admission and the beach is public, a parking fee is charged when the rides are open. Season or day passes can be purchased or tickets for $1; each ride costs between 3 and 7 tickets.

Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, the park shut down in mid-March 2020. The park reopened on November 7, 2020. The park then subsequently shut down on November 10, 2020, due to Santa Cruz County re-entering the Substantial tier of the California Blueprint for a Safer Economy. The park then re-opened select rides to California residents on April 1, 2021.

Boardwalk's Cocoanut Grove
The Boardwalk's Cocoanut Grove conference center includes banquet rooms and a performing arts venue. Food, drink, and theater were profitable aspects of the resort since the original Casino of Swanton in 1904. Although gambling was never legal, it was generally known that guests could take boats from the "pleasure pier" to a ship in the harbor to play games of chance in the early days. During Prohibition from 1920 to 1933, serving alcoholic drinks was also outlawed and the casino changed its name to Cocoanut Grove. The name includes an old spelling of Coconut, Cocos nucifera, which was used in the popular Marx Brothers movie The Cocoanuts of 1929. The name was also used by a number of popular nightclubs of the era, including one in The Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, California.

In the 1930s and 1940s, Cocoanut Grove was a popular spot for major big band acts, including Stan Kenton, Benny Goodman, Lionel Hampton and Tommy Dorsey.

Today, Cocoanut Grove rarely hosts musical acts. It is a venue for weddings, banquets, school formal occasions and reunions, and corporate events. The Grand Ballroom and Sun Room complexes include over 20000 ft2 of space and commercial kitchens.

Former rides

 * Hurricane (replaced by Undertow, opened 1992, closed 2012)
 * Videostorm (replaced by Tsunami)
 * Whirlwind
 * The Red Baron (opened 1970’s)
 * Chaos (replaced by Fireball, opened 1997, closed 2002)
 * The Flying cages (opened 1960’s)
 * Dante’s Inferno (replaced by Haunted Castle, opened 1935)
 * Paratrooper (replaced by Wave Jammer, opened 1965, closed 1985)
 * Starfish (opened 2004, closed 2012)
 * Wave Jammer (opened 1986, replaced by Rock & Roll, closed 2001)
 * The Airplane (opened 1950)
 * Auto Scooter (opened 1933)
 * Jet Star (opened, 1972 closed 1991)
 * Treasure Island (replaced by Haunted Castle)
 * Roll-O-Plane (where Logger’s Revenge is today, opened 1940s)
 * Drive-A-Boat (replaced by Artic Flyer)
 * The Super Round-Up (replaced by the former Typhoon, opened 1972, closed 1991)
 * Pirate’s Cove (replaced by Haunted Castle)
 * The Trabant (by the former 1961 Ferris Wheel)
 * Bermuda Triangle (Scrambler) (replaced by Cliff Hanger)
 * Spider
 * Autorama (traveled through park, opened 1961, closed 1998)
 * Spin Out (Tea Cups) (replaced by Cyclone, opened 1989, closed 2003)
 * The Octopus (opened 1950s)
 * Arctic Flyer (opened 1973, replaced by Videostorm)
 * Wild Mouse (closed 1975, replaced by Logger's Revenge)
 * Crazy Surf (KMG X-Factory), Sold to UK showman Joseph Manning in October 2018, converted from park to travelling model by Eagle Fabrications.
 * Cliff Hanger (opened 2003, closed 2023) Replaced by Surge in 2024
 * Rock & Roll (opened 2002, closed 2023) Replaced by Dream Wheel in 2024

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Liz Smith (journalist)

Mary Elizabeth Smith (February 2, 1923 – November 12, 2017) was an American gossip columnist. She was known as "The Grand Dame of Dish". Beginning her career in radio in the 1950s, for a time she also anonymously wrote the "Cholly Knickerbocker" gossip column for the Hearst newspapers. In the 1960s and early 1970s, she was the entertainment editor for the magazines Cosmopolitan and Sports Illustrated. Between 1976 and 2009, she wrote a self-titled gossip column for newspapers including New York Newsday, the New York Daily News and the New York Post that was syndicated in 60 to 70 other newspapers. On television, she appeared on Fox, E!, and WNBC.

Early life
Smith was born on February 2, 1923, in Fort Worth, Texas. She graduated from the University of Texas at Austin with a degree in journalism in 1949, and she worked for The Daily Texan and The Texas Ranger.

Career
Smith later moved to New York City, where she worked as a typist, proofreader, and reporter before she broke into the media world as a news producer for Mike Wallace at CBS Radio. She spent five years as a news producer for NBC-TV. She also worked for Allen Funt on Candid Camera.

In the late 1950s, Smith worked as a ghostwriter for the "Cholly Knickerbocker" gossip column syndicated in the Hearst newspapers. After leaving that column in the early 1960s, she began working for Helen Gurley Brown as the entertainment editor for the American version of Cosmopolitan, later working simultaneously as Sports Illustrated's entertainment editor as well.

On February 16, 1976, Smith began a self-titled gossip column for the New York Daily News. During the 1978 New York City newspaper strike, her Daily News editors asked her to appear daily on WNBC-TV's Live at Five, and she stayed with the program for eleven years. Her exposure on television made Smith a regular figure on the Manhattan social scene and provided fodder for her column, which had, by then, been syndicated to nearly seventy newspapers. She won an Emmy for her reporting on Live at Five for WNBC in 1985.

Smith was hired by Fox Broadcasting Company heads Barry Diller and Rupert Murdoch to develop a talk show, with Roger Ailes as her producer.

Smith was once reportedly the highest-paid print journalist in the United States. In 1991, shortly after her exclusive interviews with Ivana Trump at the time of her divorce from real-estate entrepreneur Donald Trump, Smith moved her column to New York Newsday, staying until that paper closed in 1995 and then continuing in both the Long Island Newsday and the New York Post simultaneously. She worked for Fox News for seven years and was last on Fox & Friends. She was the only columnist to ever have her column printed in three major New York City papers at the same time.

In April 2005, Smith left Newsday following a contract dispute. The official discontinuation of her column came after several months of dispute among Smith, her lawyer David Blasband, and Newsday management. The matter was settled out of court and Smith continued at the New York Post and the Staten Island Advance.

On February 24, 2009, the Post announced that the paper would stop running Smith's column effective February 26, 2009, as a cost-cutting measure.

Smith, along with Lesley Stahl, Mary Wells Lawrence, and Joni Evans, was a founding member of wowOwow.com, a website for women to talk culture, politics, and gossip.

Smith was honored as The New Jewish Home's Eight Over Eighty Gala 2016 honoree.

Personal life
Smith married her college sweetheart, World War II bombardier George Edward Beeman, in 1945. She soon left him to enroll at the University of Texas at Austin, where her papers and memorabilia are kept in the Dolph Briscoe Center, and they divorced two years later. In 1957, she married Fred Lister; the couple divorced in 1962.

Smith acknowledged her bisexuality (or as she referred to it, "gender neutrality") in her memoirs, but in the December 5, 2000, issue of The Advocate, she dug deeper and confided in editor-in-chief Judy Wieder that it was not in her nature to be a role model in the LGBT movement. However, she admitted "I think that my relationships with women were always much more emotionally satisfying and comfortable (than with men). And a lot of my relationships with men were more flirtatious and adversarial. I just never felt I was wife material. I always felt that I was a great girlfriend." Beginning in the late 1970s, the archaeologist Iris Love lived with Smith romantically for 15 years.

Smith was a good friend of Texas Governor Ann Richards, and she helped Richards to acculturate to New York City society after leaving Texas. Smith was also good friends with Texan pundit and writer Molly Ivins, also a friend of Richards.

Smith raised millions of dollars for charities, $6 million for Literacy Partners, millions for AMFAR, the New York Landmarks Conservancy, PAL, and the Mayor's Fund to Advance New York City under Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

Death
On November 12, 2017, Smith died at her home in Manhattan of natural causes at age 94.

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Rhosllanerchrugog

Rhosllanerchrugog (standardised and also spelled as Rhosllannerchrugog,  or simply Rhos) is a village and community in Wrexham County Borough, Wales. It lies within the historic county of Denbighshire. The entire built-up area including Penycae, Ruabon and Cefn Mawr had a population of 25,362.

Etymology
The name of the village is derived from that of the old Llanerchrugog estate, once one of the landholdings of Cynwrig ap Rhiwallon, Lord of Maelor Gymraeg. The name Llanerchrugog is usually stated to be based on Welsh llannerch (clearing" or "glade), and (with soft mutation), grugog (heathery), although an etymology based on crugog (hilly or rough) has also been suggested. The name of the mining village which later grew up on nearby moorland was usually written as "Rhos Llanerchrugog", ("the Llanerchrugog moor", literally "moor, heath of the heather glade" ) in the early and mid-19th century, but later often became written as "Rhos-llanerchrugog" and finally as a single word. The spelling "Rhosllannerchrugog" has also been used since 1997 as an alternative to the legal community name.

Locally, it is usually known simply as Rhos, or (in Welsh English) as "the Rhos". In the dialect of the area this is invariably pronounced ['r̥əus], in opposition to the Standard Welsh [r̥oːs].

History
The village was originally within the ancient parish of Ruabon and the township of Morton Above (i.e. Morton, or moor town, above Offa's Dyke) or Morton Wallichorum (the Welsh Morton). In 1844 Morton Above, along with part of the neighbouring township of Dynhinlle Ucha, became part of the newly created parish of Rhosllanerchrugog. The Llanerchrugog estate itself was owned by the Jones family from at least the 1400s to the 19th century; in 1649 the landowner John Jones of Llanerchrugog claimed a detailed genealogy going back 2400 years to Dyfnwal Moelmud, and attempted to use his ancient rights of ownership to argue he should be exempt from taxes.

The development of the village can be attributed largely to the coal seams of north-east Wales that pass near it. The burgesses of Holt were granted the right to dig for coal at Rhos in their borough charter of 1563. A coal mining community was established during the 18th century, and grew substantially from the 1840s onwards. Unlike many other mining villages in the district and in other parts of Wales, the majority of early immigration to Rhos was from Welsh-speaking upland agricultural areas in West Wales, giving the village a distinct linguistic identity which it has retained until the present day. The proportion of Welsh-speakers in Rhos did not fall below 50% until the time of the 1981 census.

By the early 18th century the Rhosllanerchrugog mines were the property of the future Sir Watkin Williams-Wynn, 3rd Baronet, of Wynnstay, a member of the area's major landowning family and a prominent Jacobite. At the accession of George I in August 1714, Williams-Wynn incited the miners of Rhos to march to Wrexham, singing Jacobite songs, to sack two Dissenting meeting houses, to smash the windows of Whig tradesmen and to prevent the bells of Wrexham church ringing to celebrate the accession.

The available notes of Mr Kenrick, minister of the New Meeting, dispute many of these assertions. In Wrexham, it was on July 15, 1715 (before George I's accession), that Tory resentment overflowed into riots that were mainly directed at the Dissenters. The New Meeting House was destroyed and the Old Meeting House was badly damaged. The colliers came into town on July 20, 1715 to help and protect the rioters. Upon request from the Dissenters, Watkin Williams-Wynn interceded and persuaded the men to desist. Sporadic rioting continued, at least until October 20, 1715, which was the King's Coronation Day.

The Jacobite politics of the district's landlord and his tenants is popularly thought to be the source of the nickname "Jackos" or "Jacos" still applied to inhabitants of Rhos.

A symbol of Rhos' coal-mining and labour movement heritage is seen in the "Stiwt", the miners' institute in Broad Street. This was erected and paid for by the miners, during the general strike of 1926, as, a social and cultural centre for the community. The Welsh Religious Revival of 1904 also had a major impact on Rhos. The cynghanedd "Beibl a Rhaw i Bobl y Rhos" ("a bible and a spade for the people of Rhos") reflects the importance of both coal-mining and the chapels on the village's culture and heritage. The later strength of Nonconformity in Rhos became one of the village's distinctive features, along with its dialect, working-class institutions, and tradition of education, which for decades meant that no school in the area "[seemed] complete without a teacher from Rhos on the staff".

Rhos hosted the National Eisteddfod in 1945 and 1961, and the Celtic League was founded there in 1961 during the Eisteddfod. The many informal fringe performances around this event were memorialised in the poem "The Cross Foxes" by Harri Webb, remembering the night when in Rhos "we drank the pub dry".

With a population of over 10,000, the modern community of Rhosllanerchrugog is one of the largest in Wales. The 2011 census showed that the population of the built-up area of Rhosllanerchrugog including adjoining Pen-y-cae is 13,501. The area retains a proportion of Welsh speakers above the national average, despite the loss of older speakers and the impact of non-Welsh speakers moving into the area: the 2001 Census showed that 31.5% of the community area was Welsh speaking, declining to 24% at the 2011 census. Welsh medium education is, however, popular and significantly increasing in the area.

Architecture
Rhos contains a number of listed public buildings. Notable buildings in the village include:

The Stiwt Theatre, formerly the "Miners' Institute" (Plas Mwynwyr), which was built in 1926 to the designs of John Owen of Wrexham and F. A. Roberts, Mold. The Institute closed in 1977, following which the local council purchased the building in 1978. They decided to demolish the building in 1985, but it was saved as a result of local campaigning. Following fundraising efforts, it was renovated and reopened as a community theatre. The Stiwt Theatre holds the Wrexham young people's music festival since 2006. The Stiwt now do various shows and the grade II* listed building is open to the public to see.

Church of St John Evangelist A grade II listed building, built in 1852 to a design by Thomas Penson and consecrated on 4 October 1853. A good example of a Romanesque Revival church, it is Norman style, with coursed and squared sandstone and slate roofs. It has a cruciform plan with nave, transept and chancel and bell tower in the angle of the south transept and the chancel. The church closed in 2004. The churchyard contains war graves of a British and a Canadian soldier of the First World War.

St David's Welsh Church, built in 1892 to a design by Douglas and Fordham of Chester. Since the closure of St. John's, this is used as the parish church. Penuel Chapel (Capel Penuel) Two-storey Welsh Baptist chapel built in 1856–59, with a brick façade installed during renovations performed in 1891 to the designs of Owen Morris Roberts, Porthmadog. The chapel was the starting point site of R. B. Jones's campaign in the village during the religious revival in 1904–05. One of the chapel's ministers was Lewis Valentine. Capel Bach, officially Bethlehem Welsh Independent Chapel, Hall Street. First built in 1812 and rebuilt in 1839, 1876 and (also to designs by architect Owen Morris Roberts of Porthmadog) in 1889. A large, two-storey Romanesque chapel with integral clock tower and canted stair tower: grade II listed as a prominent feature of Rhos and an unusual example of a Rundbogenstil facade. There is a 1908 organ by Norman and Beard: the composer Caradog Roberts was the organist here between 1904 and 1935.

Capel Mawr, officially Jerusalem Welsh Calvinistic Methodist Chapel, Brook Street, is a grade II listed chapel, built of stone in a classical gable-entry style. It was first built in 1770 and rebuilt in 1876 to the designs of Richard Owen of Liverpool. Fittings include a war memorial tablet and a 1927 stained glass window by Jones and Willis.

Religious Revival 1904-1905
Rhos was one of the centres of the Welsh Religious Revival of 1904–1905. R. B. Jones, a visiting Baptist preacher, held a campaign in Penuel Baptist Chapel, Rhosllanerchrugog in November 1904.

Musical heritage
Rhos is known for its musical heritage, and has a concert hall at the Stiwt Theatre. Composers from the village include Caradog Roberts, best known for the hymn tune "Rachie"; and Arwel Hughes, conductor and composer of the hymn tune "Tydi a Roddaist". Notable performers from Rhos include the baritone James Sauvage and pianist Llŷr Williams.

Rhos has several choirs, including the Rhos Male Voice Choir (Côr Meibion Rhosllannerchrugog); the Rhos Orpheus Male Voice Choir (Côr Orffiws Y Rhos); Johns' Boys Male Chorus (Côr Meibion Johns' Boys); a Pensioners' Choir (Côr Pensiynwyr Rhosllannerchrugog); a Girls' Choir (Côr Merched Rhosllannerchrugog); and the Rhos Singers (Cantorion Rhos), a mixed voice choir. The male voice choirs have performed in many countries.

The Rhos Prize Silver Band was formed in 1884, but later became known as the Hafod Colliery Band. After the closure of Hafod Colliery in 1968 the band was renamed Rhos and District Silver Band. In 2001, the band changed its name to Wrexham Brass and is now based at the Glyndŵr University campus in Wrexham.

Dialect
The village is well known for its unique dialect of the Welsh language, which has been the subject of several academic studies. Although having some similarities to the dialects of both North-East and Mid Wales, it has been described as "unlike anything else heard in Wales" and as frequently unintelligible to outsiders.

As well as features found elsewhere in North Wales, such as the loss of final [v] in words such as araf, "slow" (here pronounced ['ara]) or of final [ð] in words such as ffordd, "road", (here pronounced [fɔr]), the dialect shows numerous distinctive consonants and examples of metathesis. Vowels also differ widely from modern standard Welsh: one of its key features is the diphthongisation of vowels [e] and [o], as seen in the vowel of the name Rhos, locally ['r̥əus]. Another typical feature is the contraction of verbal phrases, so that for example Yr oedd gennyf ("I had") is rendered as ['ogai] and Mae'n rhaid i mi ("I have to") as ['haimi]. These features are to an extent becoming lost in younger speakers under the influence of Welsh medium education.

The Rhos dialect is also known for a unique vocabulary. The main example is a word that has become synonymous with the village: the demonstrative adjective nene (pronounced approximately [neːneː]), meaning "that", or more specifically "that over there". While the related forms ene ("that") and dene ("there [...] is") are found in other parts of North-East Wales, nene is specific to Rhos.

The word's association with the village is reflected in the title of the community's monthly newspaper, Nene, founded by the campaigner and local historian Ieuan Roberts ("Ieu Rhos", 1949–2016). In usage Nene is also combined with ene; an example is the question "Be 'di nene ene?" - "What's that there?"

Cemetery controversy
In September 2006, letters were sent by Rhos Community Council to relatives of people buried in the village's cemetery, where former Miss World Rosemarie Frankland is buried,  asking them to limit the number of floral tributes left at grave sites. The council reportedly planned to cover the cemetery with a lawn and feared that such tributes would breach health and safety rules. Feeling the council had handled the issue insensitively, relatives collected an 850-signature petition and 60 families made a public protest.

Notable people

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 * James Sauvage (1849–1922) baritone singer.
 * Robert Roberts (1865-1945), footballer with 38 caps for Crewe Alexandra F.C. and 2 for Wales
 * Caradog Roberts (1878—1935), composer, organist and choirmaster.
 * Isaac Daniel Hooson (1880–1948), solicitor and poet.
 * Thomas William Jones, Baron Maelor (1898–1984), politician, MP for Merioneth
 * Idwal Jones (1900–1982), politician, MP for Denbigh
 * Arwel Hughes (1909–1988), orchestral conductor and composer.
 * Meredith Edwards (1917–1999), character actor and writer.
 * Tom Ellis (1924–2010), politician, MP for Wrexham
 * Gordon Richards (1933–1993) footballer with 170 club caps.
 * Rosemarie Frankland (1943–2000), Miss Wales, Miss UK & Miss World in 1961.
 * Aled Roberts (1962–2022), politician and Welsh Language Commissioner, 2019-2022.
 * Mark Lewis Jones (born 1964), actor
 * Susan Elan Jones (born 1968 in Ponciau), politician, MP for Clwyd South
 * Llŷr Williams (born 1976 in Pentre Bychan), concert pianist.
 * Daniel Lloyd (born 1982), actor and singer-songwriter

Stiwt Theatre
The Stiwt is a 490-seater theatre located in the village. Founded in 1926 by the Miner's Institute, (lending it its name, 'Stiwt' coming from the word 'Institute' in 'Miner's Institute'), the day-to-day running of the Stiwt was paid for by weekly contributions from the Miner's wages. Paying in 20d a week, the Stiwt was both built and run by the wages of the Miners, the descendants of which continually have to fight to keep it open after almost facing closure in 1977, 1996 and 2016. Today the Stiwt is funded and run by Wrexham County Borough Council, the Arts Council of Wales, Rhos Community Council and Friends of the Stiwt.

Transport
The village was once linked to the Great Western Railway by the Rhos Branch, which ran to the village from nearby Wrexham via Rhostyllen and Legacy Station (near Talwrn, named after the short-lived Legacy colliery). Passenger services opened with great celebration on 1 October 1901, with around a thousand people carried on the first day. In 1905 the passenger service was extended to halts at Brook Street (the location of the Rhos goods station), Pant and (via the former Ruabon Brook Tramway) Wynn Hall, although goods trains ran through to Froncysyllte wharf on the Shropshire Union Canal via Plas Bennion and Acrefair. Passenger services were discontinued in 1931, except for Saturday football specials which ran occasionally until 1951-1952. To the East of Rhos a second line had been laid in 1868 North from Gardden Lodge Junction (near Ruabon) and extended as far as Bryn-yr-Owen colliery, and in 1874 was extended to the Legacy Colliery (which suspended production in mid-1874 with the loss of 111 jobs never to resume). When the Rhos Branch was built it linked to this line at Legacy Junction, and in 1905 the Great Western Railway introduced passenger services from Wrexham via Legacy Station, with halts at Fennant Road, Aberderfyn and trains terminating at the halt at Ponkey Crossing. The line was referred to as the Ponkey Branch line. The passenger services were withdrawn in 1915, and the line from Legacy junction was lifted a few years later, though the line south from Ponkey gasworks continued in use for freight until 1964.

Rhosllannerchrugog was also the end of the line of the Wrexham and District Electric Tramways. The tram service began operating in 1903, and originally ran from Penybryn in Wrexham to the New Inn in Johnstown, but this was soon extended up Gutter Hill to Duke Street in Rhos. The company had its depot and staging area in nearby Johnstown. The trams were eventually and gradually replaced by buses owned by the same company, which was renamed the Wrexham & District Transport Company; for many years tram lines were visible outside the garage at the bottom of Gutter Hill.

Several local companies operated bus services in the village. The red and cream buses of Phillips & Son of Rhostyllen ran from Wrexham to Rhos via Johnstown, and at one time on to Tainant, from 1927 until it was taken over by Crosville in 1979. T. Williams & Sons ran a service from Rhos to Wrexham from the 1920s until 1986. The last surviving independent local company, Wright & Son, ran a service from Pen-y-cae to Wrexham via Rhos, and later via Ponciau also. When the bus industry was deregulated in 1986 there was fierce competition between Wright's and the much larger Crosville. Wright's ceased operations in 1993, leaving Crosville as the sole service provider in the area. Crosville itself became part of the Arriva group, which still operates a frequent bus service between Rhos and Wrexham city centre.

The nearby A483 road provides links to Liverpool and Manchester to the north and Birmingham, Swansea and Cardiff to the south.

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Where the Red Fern Grows

Where the Red Fern Grows is a 1961 children's novel by Wilson Rawls about a boy who buys and trains two Redbone Coonhounds for hunting. It's a work of autobiographical fiction based on Rawls' childhood in the Ozarks.

Plot
In 1961, Adult Billy Colman rescues a redbone hound from neighborhood dogs and takes it home to recover. The incident reminds him of the faithful dogs he owned as a child in the Ozark Mountains.

In 1911, ten-year-old Billy wants nothing more than a pair of redbone hounds for coon hunting. After seeing a magazine ad for coon hounds, he spends the next two years working odd jobs to earn the $50 he needs to buy a pair of pups and walks 20 miles to Tahlequah to retrieve them. As he returns with the dogs, he sees the names "Dan + Ann" carved on a tree and names the pups Old Dan and Little Ann. With his grandfather's help, he trains the dogs to hunt.

On the first night of hunting season, Billy promises Old Dan and Little Ann that if they tree a raccoon, he will do the rest. They do so in a huge sycamore tree, which he believes is far too large to chop down. Remembering his promise, Billy spends the next two days attempting to cut down the sycamore. Exhausted, he prays for the strength to continue, whereupon a strong wind blows down the tree.

Billy, Old Dan, and Little Ann become renowned as the best hunters in the Ozarks. Billy's grandfather bets Rubin and Rainie Pritchard that Old Dan and Little Ann can tree the legendary "ghost coon" that has evaded hunters for years. After a challenging hunt, Old Dan and Little Ann succeed in treeing the ghost coon, but Billy, having seen how old and clever the animal is, decides not to kill it. Billy tries to prevent Rubin and Rainie from killing the ghost coon, and this leads to a brawl with Rubin. During the fight, Rubin's dog attacks Billy, prompting Old Dan and Little Ann to come to his aid. Rubin attempts to scare Old Dan and Little Ann away with Billy's ax, but he falls on the blade and dies. Although Billy is deeply troubled by the tragic turn of events, he does not regret his decision to spare the ghost coon.

Billy's grandfather enters him in a championship raccoon hunt against experienced hunters. The hunt is scheduled during a particularly cold week, and many of the hunters give up. Billy, who is used to harsh mountain winters, can reach the final round. On the last night, Old Dan and Little Ann trap three raccoons in a single tree, but a sudden blizzard forces Billy to take shelter. The following morning, Old Dan and Little Ann are found covered with ice but still circling the tree. All three raccoons are captured and Billy wins the championship and a $300 prize.

One night while the trio is hunting, a mountain lion attacks Old Dan and Little Ann. Billy fights to save them, but the mountain lion turns on him. The dogs kill the mountain lion, saving Billy's life, but Old Dan later dies of his injuries. Over the next few days, Little Ann loses the will to live and finally dies of grief, leaving Billy heartbroken.

Billy's father tries to comfort him by explaining that he and Billy's mother have long wished to move to a town where their children can get an education, but could not afford to do so without the extra money brought in by Billy's hunting. Knowing that Old Dan and Little Ann would suffer in town and that Billy would be devastated to leave them behind, they intended to allow him to remain in the mountains with his grandfather. His father believes that God took Old Dan and Little Ann as a sign that the family was meant to stay together.

On his last day in the Ozarks, Billy visits Old Dan and Little Ann's graves and finds a giant red fern growing between them. Remembering a legend that only an angel can plant a red fern, he also comes to believe a higher power was at work.

Adult Billy closes by saying that although he has never returned to the Ozarks, he still dreams of visiting Old Dan and Little Ann's graves and seeing the red fern again.

Films
The novel was adapted into a 1974 film starring Stewart Petersen, James Whitmore, Beverly Garland, and Jack Ging. A sequel was released in 1992, starring Wilford Brimley, Chad McQueen, Lisa Whelchel, and Karen Carlson. A remake was released in 2003, starring Joseph Ashton, Dabney Coleman, Ned Beatty, and Dave Matthews.

Reception
Although sales of the novel began slowly, by 1974 over 90,000 copies had been sold. In 2001, Publishers Weekly estimated that it had sold 6,754,308 copies.

There is a statue of Billy, Old Dan, and Little Ann at the Idaho Falls Public Library.

Characters in the book

 * Billy Coleman, a ten-year-old boy who lives in the Ozark Mountains of Oklahoma
 * Old Dan, Billy's male dog
 * Little Ann, Billy's female dog
 * Mama, Billy's mother
 * Papa, Billy's father who buys him the traps and teaches him how to use them
 * Grandpa, Billy's grandfather and owner of the country general store
 * Billy's three sisters
 * Rubin Pritchard, who is killed by an ax injury after he attempts to attack Old Dan and Little Ann
 * Rainie Pritchard, Rubin's younger brother and a troublemaker. He idolized Rubin; when Rubin was killed, he was devastated.
 * The Marshal of Tahlequah
 * Old Man Hatfield, a neighbor of Billy's
 * Mr. Kyle
 * Mr. Benson, another coon hunter
 * Dr. Lathman, another coon hunter

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Nogri was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was REDIRECT

The title of this page is a misspelling of Noghri, and the latter page includes everything written here, and more. This would have been a merge, but, in my opinion, there is nothing on this page that Noghri doesn't already cover. QuantumEleven 10:39, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Just redirect it, it's a common misspelling for Noghri and doesn't seem to mean anything else Kappa 11:19, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Redirect --Ld 18:48, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Redirect, I'm assuming the mis-spelling is common. Wyss 23:59, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Incorporation

Incorporation may refer to:
 * Incorporation (business), the creation of a corporation
 * Incorporation of a place, creation of municipal corporation such as a city or county
 * Incorporation (academic), awarding a degree based on the student having an equivalent degree from another university
 * Incorporation of the Bill of Rights, extension of parts of the United States Bill of Rights to bind individual American states.
 * Incorporation of international law, giving domestic legal force to a sovereign state's international legal obligations
 * Incorporation (linguistics)
 * Incorporation (Netherlands), the annexation of the Netherlands by the First French Empire

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