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't Hof van Commerce

't Hof van Commerce is a Belgian hip hop crew from Izegem in the province West Flanders in Flanders, the Dutch-speaking part of Belgium. Their name means 'commercial court' in their local dialect. Almost all their raps/lyrics are in West Flemish, the Dutch dialect of the province of West Flanders, with the exception of some lines sung in Limburgish by DJ 4T4 or a mix between those two dialects.

Band members are Filip Cauwelier (a.k.a. Levrancier, a.k.a. Flip Kowlier), Serge Buyse (a.k.a. Dommestik, a.k.a. BZA, pronounce: buzze) and Kristof Michiels (DJ 4T4). Ex-members include Johnny de Pony (a.k.a. Georges De Keesmaecker) and Floerke den Aap (a.k.a. Wilhelm De Tura).

History
It started with the crossover band The Prophets of Finance which stopped around 1993–1994. In 1997, 't Hof van Commerce was founded, and in 1998, they release their first album En in Izzegem, referring to the little city Izegem where the band was founded. About 8000 albums were sold. That was quite a high number for a debut because the entire CD was sung in West Flemish, only understood by about one million people. The next year, they already had a second CD with the title Herman. That album was sold 5000 times.

In 2000 Flip Kowlier started a successful solo career as a singer-songwriter, while staying a member of  't Hof van Commerce. Two years later, in 2002, they got their third album, titled Rocky 7. That album was their biggest success this far, with 10 000 sells. So in 2003, 't Hof (how they call themselves) was asked a lot in festivals in Belgium and the Netherlands.

In 2005, 't Hof released another album with the title Ezoa en niet anders (This way and not differently). For the first time under their own record label Plasticine. For that record, a lot of guest rappers were invited such as TLP and Gabriel Rios.

In 2011, Flip Kowlier temporarily stopped his (still successful) solo career, to continue with 't Hof van Commerce after a long silence. This resulted in a new album in 2012 with the title Stuntman.

't Hof van Commerce has been on hiatus between October 2013 and January 2018.

Albums

 * "En in Izzegem" (Kinky Star, 1998)
 * "Herman" (Kinky Star, 1999)
 * "Rocky 7" (Kinky Star, 2002)
 * "Ezoa en niet anders" (Petrol/EMI, 2005)
 * "Stuntman" (Petrol, 2012)

Singles

 * Zonder niet (translation: without nothing) 1998
 * Dommestik en levrancier (1998)
 * Spek'n'Bwon'n (1998)
 * Kom mor ip (translation: bring it on) (2002)
 * Zonder totetrekkerie (translation: without insincerity) (2003)
 * Punk of yo! (2003)
 * Niemand grodder (translation: nobody bigger) (2005)
 * Jaloes (translation: jealous) (2005)
 * Wupperbol (translation: bouncing ball) (2011)
 * "Ti Nie Wo Wi!" (translation: It isn't true) (2024)

title: 't Hof van Commerce


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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hip hop music/archive1

Hip hop music
I nominated this awhile back, and it did not succeed. The only outstanding objection was that the section on hip hip (sic) outside the US was not well-integrated enough. I have addressed this, and the content is now spread to various sections here and there. Tuf-Kat 08:57, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

 * Support, looks good. although I would like to see a bit more wikification to the article (How can you have hip hop without a single link to MC ;). Alkivar 00:47, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support, I like the improvements. Do love that "hip hip" music, TK....  ;)  [[User:CatherineMunro|Catherine\talk]] 01:59, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Heh, he -- it's twice the hip with none of the hop. Tuf-Kat
 * Support, did some further wikification. I'd take it as it is, but could we also get some relevant external links? Also, maybe a list (or a link to a list) of significant magazines covering hip-hop? -- Jmabel | Talk 08:33, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
 * Some magazine stuff added to the end, will try and scrounge up some links tomorrow. Tuf-Kat 09:30, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
 * External links now present. Tuf-Kat
 * Comment. Isn't "hip hop" not the original term for the genre? I recall it being referred to as rap only and hip hop not coming into use until the late 80's or 90's or something.  It's fine to use the current common term most of the time, but the article shouldn't ignore that it wasn't always that way. - Taxman 03:11, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't think there was really a chronological division in use, precisely. Rapping is an activity which is one of the four aspects of hip hop the cultural movement, and one of two basic aspects of hip hop the style of music.  "Rap" and "hip hop" are often used interchangeably, but they're not the same thing -- it is probable that in the late 80s and early 90s, relatively few people knew or cared about the distinction, whereas its become much more well-known now and so people are more aware of the terminology.  I'll see if I can make the lead be more clear on this. Tuf-Kat 03:25, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * Ok time to school you folks. "hip-hop" is based on 4 elements: MC's / DJ's / Graffiti Artists / Breakdancers. When you hear the term "hip-hop" it refers in actuality to the culture of all 4 elements. The music is and has always been referred to as "rap". Do some research into the subject and you'll see i'm right. As points of reference in film "Scratch" for DJ history, "Style Wars" for Graf history, "The Freshest Kids" for Breakdance History, and I still havent found a really good movie with a history of the MC culture yet. This being said the category is in fact improperly named. HOWEVER, I read the title more as Hip hop (music) which should have information on both MC's and DJ's, and think that Hip hop (culture) should contain the other elements. Alkivar 06:18, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. Do you disagree with the first paragraph of hip hop music?  Or the title?  Or neither? Which category is improperly named? Tuf-Kat
 * The title, it should be Hip-hop (music). The hyphenation is arguable, however i find its use is largely hyphenated. Alkivar 01:40, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't object too strongly to either change, but I think it's not worth the effort to change the standard now. That would make hundreds of links redirected, which would be unfortunate.  I always remove the hyphen when I edit an article, just to try and keep everything the same, and I think many others do the same.  I agree the hyphenation is arguable, but I tend to think it is usually not hyphenated. Tuf-Kat

 * Object. Not bad, but needs some work. 1) Being an article about music, we definitely need sound samples. 2) The "Censorship issues" section includes a "Media" section unrelated to censoring. 3) There are many vague terms and claims throughout the article, particularly when describing non-US hip hop. Especially the term "mainstream" gives me little information. If you make such claims about popularity, try to illustrate it by record sales, number of #1 hits or so. Such claims are also verifiable. I realise this is not possible to do in all cases, but it certainly can be improved. 4) The article is still a bit US-oriented. E.g. "went platinum nine times in the United States alone.", and parts on hip hop outside the US tend to start with "Outside of the United States,". Still, it's much better than before. 5) Senegalese mbalax is mentioned twice in the same way within two paragraphs. 6) I miss a section about styles influenced by hip hop. A bit is mentioned in "Alternative hip hop", but there are (and have been) dance bands with rappers, rock bands with rappers, etc. Jeronimo 08:28, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 1 and 2 are addressed. 3) I have added some more objective data regarding US performers.  I have long searched for a database that gives non-US chart data, but have never found such a thing.  I think Billboard is an exception, and this info is not normally available to industry outsiders. 4) I don't know what's wrong with "went platinum in the United States alone" -- it's precisely accurate given that there is no source on sales data from outside the US.  I have also removed some of the "outside of the United States".  I don't agree that this is too US-centric -- approximately one fifth of the article specifically deals with non-American hip hop, which seems appropriate to me given that the first half of hip hop's existence was virtually entirely American and that, even now, popular recorded hip hop is mostly American in the vast majority of the world (i.e. outside of France, Germany, Tanzania, etc, American hip hop is the only kind with more than an underground fanbase); what acclaim non-American hip hop has reached has largely been in the last couple years, and thus there is little scholarship or documentation on the subject.  5) I either accidentally fixed this paragraph while doing something else, or can't find it.  6) There is no section on it, precisely, but there is abundant information about hip hop's influence on rock, metal, pop, techno, jazz and soul.  I don't think a section devoted to it would be very appropriate, as these things have nothing in common and are better placed in their historical context. Tuf-Kat 18:40, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) & 2) are fixed; will look at the rest later. Jeronimo 08:38, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 3) This is already better (and good enough). If you find more keep on adding it. 4) I still feel the article is slightly US-oriented (not US-centric or US-biased), but we apparently disagree here, so just ignore this. 5) "International spread" and "The 1990s". 6) I disagree. A lot of this information may be found here and there, but there needs to be a section that collects everything. There is a section "Roots of hip-hop" - why should there not be a section "influence on other music styles/genres"? I also have a new objection: 7) There is nothing section on hip hop culture, or on how hip hop has influenced (popular) culture. I'm thinking about clothing and language mostly, but there may be other things (such as the currently rather meagre "Media" section, which might be integrated). Jeronimo 12:41, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 5 addressed. I added a section on "social impact" which contains within it stuff about fashion and slang, as well as the censorship section and a section which details hip hop's effect on other genres. Tuf-Kat 19:04, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * Support, thanks for fixing my objections. One final suggestion: perhaps you could move the tiny "Media" section to the new "Social Impact" section. Jeronimo 07:31, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Support. Hyacinth 00:42, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Niagara Falls/archive1

Niagara Falls
Fine article, on a natural wonder which has been considered "touristy" for so long that it's easy to forget what a spectacular place it is. After a (re)visit this year and some research, I added material (mostly to the history sections), and JamesT delivered some good off-copyright pix from the Canadian archives. For uniformity I elected to capitalize the "Falls" whenever it clearly refers to "Niagara Falls" proper. I believe this is now "feature" quality.Sfahey 02:49, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC) Mgm|(talk)]] 09:45, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
 * Minor object. It's pretty good right now, but I'm missing a section about the Falls in popular culture. There's several films that feature the falls, and David Copperfield can't just be left out. If some references to those are added, I'm happy to support this one. [[User:MacGyverMagic|

 * Support, I'll add David Copperfield myself, once I've tracked down some details. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 20:40, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
 * done,srf

 * Minor object. This looks pretty good, but the lead section needs to be expanded to give a better summary of the article. See Lead section Jeronimo 08:07, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * done,srf
 * Support. Jeronimo 07:56, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * support, a very nicely written and paced article. informative.
 * Support. Mentions all key aspects of the falls in ordered way. Superm401 00:27, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. I had some reservations about the Origns section, but user Pollinator fixed that (while I was thinking about working on it) and did a good job. Would like a bit more bibliographic info in the reference section, but that's a minor quibble. Great article. -Vsmith 01:26, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. Very well done. - Taxman 18:36, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * Support; covers everything clearly and succinctly. Radagast 14:08, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. Good work. [[User:COGDEN|CO GDEN (talk)]] 22:16, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Copyleft/archive1

Copyleft
The article is complete, well-structured, and well-written: it explains clearly what copyleft is; how and why it originated; the various forms it takes; and the views of both its opponents and proponents. The writing is of high quality. Sietse 13:38, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. Insufficient references. Johnleemk | Talk 13:56, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I disagree, i think there are sufficient links for reference, this is more of a concept article than something with verifiable scientific resources. Support Alkivar 23:23, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. I actually read this entire article, and found it to be very informative. Masterhomer 10:43, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. No references. External links are not enough. I would find it hard to beleive there is nothing in print that covers this.  Also I'm sure there are available legal opinions on the concept.  A reliable external link is acceptable as a reference if it is formatted properly as shown in the link I've just given. That is basically assurance that the author has used the material there for material in the article or to fact check it. Otherwise the link could be entirely for additional informative material for the interested reader.  That is a critical difference. - Taxman 18:42, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)

Moved to "Former Featured Article Candidates"
End of January 2005 Copyleft was moved from FAC to FFAC. I didn't want to comment here before, because of having largely contributed to the article myself (well, call it false modesty).

Anyway, I thought making it a Featured Article would have been slightly to early. There are still some issues to be sorted out first:
 * Discussions on whether copyleft should be primarily approached from GNU/FSF/RMS/software/license-by-copyright-law approach(es), or primarily from an umbrella approach about the copyleft principle keep popping up (very interesting discussion!)
 * I tried twice to elaborate the example of how Wikipedia tackles the difficult problem of being copyleft for a unique object. Moved the second version (after being removed from the copyleft article) to BDFL, but there also it was removed. This second version of that contribution can now be found here. Still think this example might clarify the copyleft concept: not having been able to find a clear example not relating to wikipedia, the contribution however remains subject to both "self reference" and "original research" objections.
 * ... see above ... e.g. more "source references" might be great!
 * The article is still definitely too long (... I guess resulting from too many attempts of people to make their favourite approach crawl up to the first paragraph - see Talk:copyleft).
 * The short definition (= first paragraph) is still not completely OK -IMHO-, as it seems to exclude copyleft being implemented outside a "license-by-copyright-law" framework...

I plan to contribute to such improvements as much as I can, and promise to relist copyleft as FAC, once I feel at ease most of it has been covered appropriately!

--Francis Schonken 11:36, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)


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The Jerky Boys 4

Jerky Boys 4 is the fourth comedy album by prank call artists, the Jerky Boys, and the second album released on Mercury Records. The album was released in 1997 (see 1997 in music).

This album was released with both a "clean" and "explicit" edition.

Track listing

 * 1) "Cold Feet – Frank Rizzo" (1:28)
 * 2) "The Need To Dance – Jack Tors" (2:45)
 * 3) "Sol's Thermometer Mishap – Sol Rosenberg" (1:06)
 * 4) "Testing For Jeopardy – Frank Rizzo" (4:22)
 * 5) "Dead Pet Removal – Mike Derucki" (:57)
 * 6) "Little Elves – Tarbash" (3:16)
 * 7) "I'm A Diva – Jack Tor s" (1:55)
 * 8) "Boats Express – Frank Rizzo" (1:54)
 * 9) "Hey Sir! – Sol Rosenberg" (1:28)
 * 10) "Kissel Sails – Kissel w/Wife" (2:17)
 * 11) "Herman – Sammy Cox" (2:03)
 * 12) "Rizzo The Rainmaker – Frank Rizzo" (2:40)
 * 13) "Bacon – Jack Tor s" (:26)
 * 14) "Food & Drug Complaint – Sol Rosenberg" (2:37)
 * 15) "Hello Ray (The Phone Man) – Mike Derucki" (3:01)
 * 16) "A Little Information – Jack Tor s" (:49)
 * 17) "Trains – Jocko Johnson" (4:10)
 * 18) "Mining For Scotty – Frank Rizzo" (2:54)
 * 19) "Mariposa – Pico" (2:19)
 * 20) "Spider Monkey – Jack Tor s" (2:18)
 * 21) "Truck Registration – Frank Rizzo" (2:19)
 * 22) "Sol's Turnstile – Sol Rosenberg" (2:53)
 * 23) "Laundromat – Frank Puma" (3:16)
 * 24) "Jerk Baby Jerk (Bass Mix) – the Jerky Boys" (3:13)

title: The Jerky Boys 4


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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Our Gang/archive1

Our Gang
(better known as The Little Rascals) Something of a self-nomination, though at least two others have assisted with parts of both the main article and linking. The article has been significantly expanded to include a full history of the series, and creation of a category for the kids in the series. (Nominated by B Touch, Dec 5)
 * Comment - About half the page is a list of the various casts which I agree should be available but maybe not in the page itself--Evil Monkey 20:49, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * Good point. I took the personnel section and created a breakout page for it: Our Gang personnel. --b. Touch 00:44, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Object. Needs references (Cite your sources) and some explanation what can be found on the mentioned websites, besides only the creator's name. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 08:26, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC) Support - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 19:47, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * There are four references listed; the first is a comprehensive history/study/filmography on the series, the second two are primary sources from two of the kids in the series, and the last one dedicates a number of pages to the African-American children in the series. The two websites belong to former Our Gang kids, a point which was more apparent when the cast list was on the main page. That has now been fixed, and the references have been reformated. --b. Touch 19:36, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Support now. Object. Were the resources listed in the 'Further reading' section were actually used to add or fact check the material in the article? If so, the section should be called references. Further reading is entirely ambiguous as to whether the resources have actually been consulted or if they are just there for the interested reader. - Taxman
 * The two autobiographies were not used as references; the other two books were. I will make changes accordingly. --b. Touch 03:44, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. Two is really the minimum I am willing to support, but two print references and two more further reading is not bad.  If you have extensively used a reliable external link, that can be considered a reference too. - Taxman 18:59, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)

 * Support. I found this comprehensive, well-written and interesting to read.  I like the use of images (have not checked them for copyright status) and the listing of references.  I did some c.e. and linking, but I would not consider this a self-nom. Quill 23:28, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri/archive1

Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
A very well-written and comprehensive article on a computer game that's very important for many gamers, and comes from one of the most famous game designers. Nice background information, as well as information on game specifics and related topics. Solver 13:02, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. No references. Johnleemk | Talk 13:56, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Minor object. No references. Most of the pictures need shrinking a little. It really needs a Summary style section about Alien Crossfire as well, considering that Crossfire is an expansion pack. Apart from these minor gripes, I'd support - this is the best game article I've ever seen. Ambi 14:04, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * What exactly are references? Links to/from other articles? I suppose it's something I could try patch up. Solver 15:00, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Cite sources. Johnleemk | Talk 15:25, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Can't really put such references there, though, I think. Most of the information comes from straight in the game, so there aren't exactly many sources to cite. And the tidbits that don't come from the game can be found at Apolyton, which is linked to at the end of the article.Solver 21:00, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Maybe not many, but it needs some. Where did all of the material for the article come from?  Some is from direct observation, but there is other material that should be referenced. There is one citation to PC Gamer, there should be others that can be done similarly.  Then please add them and other sources used in a references section as per the above link. Object until references are properly done. Look at Doom and the experimental Doom/References for how this can be done well. - Taxman 19:14, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * Minor objection. Missing effect of the game on the computer game industry. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 16:41, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * I have added the Influence section to the article, please see what you think. Solver 21:14, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Some pics probably should be shrunk a little, and I guess the CrossFire expansion should be mentioned here. It's too short for its own entry. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 22:04, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * Agree on shrinking images. However, Alien Crossfire has once been separated from the main article, and I think that generally expansions have their own articles, too. Solver 22:15, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I added the WikiProject Computer and Video Games infobox (stolen from AoE) which has shrunk the images. But I still have to object. There is a lot of detail on the story concept, game concept, and game features --- but not much on development/publishing, game play (selecting units, movement, keyboard usage), what platforms it is available on, and what multiplayer is like. Are there cheats? Was there any negative criticism, like Civ III received? --ZayZayEM 06:00, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Also think that Alien Crossfire's should have a small summary on this page.--ZayZayEM 06:03, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. 1) No references. Certainly at least the manual can be added as a reference? Jeronimo 12:35, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC) 2) Insufficient images. Screenshots are fair use, so we can use them. The current screenshot hardly gives a good idea of the game. 3) The storyline of the Voice is not mentioned, even though this is a vital part of the game (add a spoiler notification). And what about the mindworms (only a little is told), locusts of chiron, isles of the deep? 4) More background on several items in the games would be desirable. For example, specifically mentioning some of the technologies created (not all of them) or some of the secret projects would give a better idea for those who did not play the game. 5) More is needed on strategy. How can you win the game? For example, in my experience certain factions are easier to play than others. Similar for multi-player. 6) The influence section is incorrectly titled. It has a bit on which games influence AC, but not which games were influence by AC. The rest is about awards and popularity, about which we need more information. How many copies of the game were (approximately) sold? Are there many multiplayer communities? There's also too little information about the expansion pack (I know it has its own article, but more is needed). 7) The lead sectin is insufficient for an article of this lenght. It should give a summary of the article's contents. Jeronimo 12:59, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Abstain. Good idea with the manual. There are not many references (books, articles) about computer games, although perhaps some search at ludology might net a useful thing. With manual and current 'further reading' and 'external links' I think references will be ok. On other things I support Jeronimo as well. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:23, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Man, do I remember the countless hours I spent playing this one. Sure, I'll support. Everyking 05:44, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Not a bad article, but it needs more references, such as the manual. Also, a longer lead section is necessary. I would like a section on how AC has impacted the genre and the industry. Andre ( talk )A| 18:08, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
 * Support, not least because it's a reminder of how I wasted all my time before discovering the Wikipedia ;o) — OwenBlacker 13:57, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Eastern Orthodoxy

Eastern Orthodoxy
A very complete article on a subject that is interesting, or at least was for me. After reading it through it seems NPOV, and well-written. Not a self-nomination yet, but I may be making some contributions to it in the near future. --CMcQueeny 04:14, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. Ginormous unseemly lead. No pictures (Churches, services, clergy, tapestries, icons...)--ZayZayEM 08:36, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. Clear POV problems - several unattributed assumptions and conclusions. Parts of this are quite good, but much of the article needs a serious copyedit, or even rewrite in an encyclopedic style. Ambi 08:51, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * In response to both of the above: Hmm... I didn't notice any POV to speak of, but admittedly it was rather late. I'd appreciate it if you could point out some instances or parts of the article that are POV, and I will NPOV them. As far as pictures are concerned, I've actually been seaching for some already, and there should be some soon. --CMcQueeny 18:17, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. Article needs a concise and well-written intro section. Jacob1207 23:37, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Knights Templar/Archive1

Knights Templar
The page describes a very interesting topic and is a striking example of good writing, the latter being quite the exception in most wikipedia articles. (Nominated by an anon, Dec 4 →Raul654 09:28, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC))
 * Object: There are at least three references to the Templars having "connections," and yet these are never explained. There is an assumption that the Templars sort of walked into banking, with no explanation of how this came to be (crusaders need to travel & can't carry their money, so they leave it at one Templar place, get a ticket, and then travel with only the ticket, then withdraw when needed in Jerusalem or Byzantium).  The heresy section is tepid on the motives of Philip the Fair, when I'm not sure anyone now doubts that he was making a grab for money and power (and, specifically, Papal power).  Some plausible explanations for Baphomet are ignored in favor of some odd ones.  References are weak.  Templar dissolution was not overnight, but the break up of Templar power was.  Discussion and link to Jacques de Molay not present.  Council of Vienne not mentioned.  The fact that the Hospitallers got the properties (except in Spain and Portugal) not mentioned.  Dante as a defender is a sidelight that would be worth noting.  Basically, it's a good overview article, but it needs to be more detailed, take its time more, and establish the story step by step. Geogre 03:43, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. Fair, but not quite there. More details on the history of the order during the crusades. References. As a side note, it is not what I would call "a striking example of good writing", either. "What may have been all the Knights Templar in France were simultaneously arrested by agents of Philip the Fair, to later be tortured into admitting heresy" is not the apex of syntactic accomplishment. (but that alone is not sufficient reason to object, of course) Dbachmann 11:39, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. I concur in the points raised by the two previous users and add the following. Significantly more information on the Templars' banking functions is needed.  They received money and other gifts, which, being a monastic order, they didn't need to spend.  So they saved it in their (very well fortified) castles.  Others came to see these castles as excellent depositories and sent their riches there for safe keeping. Jacob1207 02:20, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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User:Bibfile

I'd like to eliminate the incorrect translation of "faction" for the German word for a parliamentary party/group ("Fraktion") from the English Wikipedia. Otherwise, I'm not particularly ambitious.

title: User:Bibfile


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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Staten Island Ferry/archive1

Staten Island Ferry
After tweaking this recently, I thought it might make a Featured Article. Illustrations. History. Factoids. Disasters. External links. It seems smoothly, knowledgeably and appropriately written. Am I just a prejudiced New Yorker? --Wetman 01:52, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. a) Very short. b) "Ferry incidents" needs to be converted to prose. c) Information about the boats could probably be in a seperate section. d) There's really too many pictures for such a short article - it screws up the formatting of the page. e) Some of the material reads like a promotional ad (Today the Staten Island Ferry annually carries... paragraph) f) The cultural references paragraph at the bottom could have its own section, and be significantly expanded. Ambi 02:03, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The "Ferry incidents" are very brief paragraphs that consist of complete sentences, putting the 2003 Staten Island Ferry crash entry in context. They could be more lurid. The statistics on current usage are essential to an article concerning public transportation. Separate Wikipedia entries on individual Staten Island Ferryboats? Perhaps not, but more detail on date of launching, tonnage etc is needed.--Wetman 09:05, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Comment: Image:NYC-Skyline-s.jpg by User:Alex756 needs a license tag.
 * He's been notified: it's quite likely his own picture. --Wetman 09:05, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Laal language

Laal language
Self-nomination, but I will nonetheless blow my own horn a bit and point out that, to the best of my knowledge, this is the most detailed treatment of Laal in the English language anywhere, and - one advantage of dealing with "obscure" languages - I believe I have checked every primary source in existence. - Mustafaa 00:15, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Very impressive. Support, and my personal congratulations on such good work. Everyking 00:41, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Very reluctantly object, although I also give my personal congratulations for the excellent work. My concerns are more about style than substance - this is a superb article on the sort of topic that Wikipedia is inclined to overlook. However, it could really do with a better lead section, and it'd be nice if it were more accessible to non-linguists. It'd also be nice to see information on any preservation efforts (or if not, note that there aren't any) and any legal status. Also, is it a written language, and if so, what script? Ambi 01:09, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * That objection might be answered by a adding a short paragraph to the lead summarizing the fact that it's unclassified, and maybe another on anything about system of writing (either by natives or linguists) and legal status (none, I presume, but we should mention that). Ambi, is there anything else you think should be in the lead? -- Jmabel | Talk 01:20, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, no preservation efforts have been launched; I've updated the article to reflect the absence of schools which leads me to suspect that, as well as a bit more on the lead paragraph. - Mustafaa 02:11, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The lead section is now superb - nice work! I've struck out three of my five objections above. :) Ambi 02:24, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * And I've added a little "legal status" section. Now the fifth objection might be a bit harder to answer... :) - Mustafaa 03:04, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I've crossed out my objections, anyway - consider this a big support. The work you've done on the introductory few sections has had the effect of making it a lot more readable to non-linguists. It'd be nice if some of the later sections could receive a little bit of similar treatment, but I understand the difficulties considering the content - it's certainly not worth holding up FA status for this excellent article over. Ambi 03:45, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. How deliciously complex!  My suspicion is also that the scarcity and small number of fricatives in the language puts it in rare company.  -- Smerdis of Tlön 02:20, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support: I do wonder if the possibility of its being a linguistic relic has been getting more support or less as time has gone on. Geogre 02:53, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I think more, but surprisingly few authors have commented on it, considering its status. Then again, that applies to a lot of Central African languages; I don't think there's even a reconstruction of Proto-Adamawa-Ubangi yet, for instance, and no one seems to have followed up on Kujarge or Jalaa yet. - Mustafaa 03:04, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. -- Jmabel | Talk 03:15, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. We want more like this! [[User:Dbachmann|dab ( T ) ]] 11:23, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support, terrifically professional. Also very interesting, especially the grammar (to me), but I must protest against having neither explanation nor bluelink for the concept singulative, it's fairly arcane. Also I find the information on numbers tantalizing. Numbers "include" one, two and four? Well.. yeah, they probably would, don't they include "three"?--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 14:38, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * There are probably a lot more numbers (unlike in the Andamanese languages!), but unfortunately no others are given in the works published; I've updated it to explain that. Also added an article on singulative. - Mustafaa 13:04, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. I was trying in vain to imagine a culture that would need to talk about four things but not three things.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 20:12, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. Very good material and I will support after two things: 1) There are so many small, one sentence sections and paragraphs that it makes the article very distracting and hard to read. It is already on a difficult subject, digging into the linguistics, so this issue doesn't help. Basically the article doesn't flow well.  It is possible to combine some bits and work to make it flow better? 2) Bibliography is such an ambiguous term, that can just be used to list the works on a given topic.  Since you have used them for material, do you mind calling the section references? - Taxman 16:31, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) will take some thought; I can see your point, but on the other hand, I can also see an argument that they make navigation through the contents page easier. But 2) is actually intended to list every known work on the language, and if there are any out there that I've missed, I'd love for them to be added at some stage; so to that extent, I kind of think the term "bibliography" might be appropriate. - Mustafaa 13:15, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * For 1, the issue is also just that one sentence paragraphs are bad writing style. If someone navigates to a section from the toc and see only one sentence, would they not be dissapointed? 2) Listing all the works on a subject is a good goal, but somehow you need to specify what sources you actually used in the writing of the article.  The featured article criteria suggest a 'References' section for that.  That is the ambiguity I was referring to.  If is important to know which works were actually used by the author for material or checking facts. Otherwise, with only a list of works about a subject, an article has no references. - Taxman 13:52, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
 * For 1: Not me! I would just love it if any of the works referenced had had even a one-sentence chapter on interrogatives, or numbers...  But other may disagree.  For 2), I see your point, so I've changed the title. - Mustafaa 14:18, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't agree with Taxman, I think it would be a lot harder to navigate in this article if the one-sentence sections and paragraphs were joined together. They're separate in content, and if they were combined, the reader would need to do the extra job of distinguishing them. It seems to me that for grammatical description, this is good writing style. There's a reason grammar books have this kind of layout. Now, if the paragraphs could be made longer by putting more info into each of them, that would be great, but my understanding is that Mustafaa has already scraped the barrel.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 20:12, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * For some, if there really isn't more information available, I'll buy it. But for others, especially one sentence paragraphs in larger sections, the information is already there, it just needs to be merged together with good style.  If this is all the information available on the topic, it still can be made to flow a bit better in parts without losing anything. For example many paragraphs are very choppy, and not knowing the subject, it is hard for me to improve them. As an aside, what is the chance you can get an ogg encoded file with a sample of the language for us to hear? :) (Certainly not objecting on that basis!) - Taxman 00:32, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I've merged together the headings under "Speaker"; I'm not sure I can see ways to do something similar for the 1-sentence grammar headings. Do you have any suggestions?  As for the soundfile - I wish! Give me a nice travel grant and I'll go get one, though... ;) - Mustafaa 00:54, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * For the sections that are very small but need to be distinct, there might be nothing better if no more information can be found. The only ones left are the one sentence paragraph at the end of 'Nouns' (can nothing more be said about that to merge it in with the para above or expand it?) and the one just below that in the personal pronouns section. Otherwise see what you can do to improve the flow within paragraphs and I'll be happy. Sorry, don't mean to be a pest, I just like to see great articles. - Taxman 03:55, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
 * I think my recent edits may take the article towards addressing these issues... - Mustafaa 13:55, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. Mustafaa has been doing very good work on endangered languages, and this one is superb. Like dab says: we want more like this!  — mark ✎ 18:12, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. Can someone drop word on my talk page as to how I can ensure all those IPA characters are on my computer/browser. About half of them show up as blank squares.--ZayZayEM 01:53, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Neutral. I really think this article should have an additional image (a picture of one of the villages or so) and a sound sample, but I realise these would probably be hard to come given the obscurity of the language. Therefore I will not object, but remain neutral. Jeronimo 07:59, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support: I'm impressed! - Ta bu shi da yu 08:32, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Support: Fascinating. BanyanTree 17:56, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Talk:Sepulveda Dam

Um, I thought, like it says here, that the L.A. River started in West Hills, at the confluence of Bell Creek and Calabasas Creek. ??? -- Eric 10:45, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I removed this entry from Filming locations: "* In the film The Core, the space shuttle Endeavour must land in the spillway after receiving faulty GPS data." because in the Core, the shuttle lands in the LA river, near downtown LA, NOT in the spillway of the dam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.2.222.121 (talk) 17:35, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

The film Grease
I'm not sure that the Sepulveda Dam was used in this film. Wasn't the race scene shot in one of the Los Angeles River channels. The paved area around Sepulveda Dam isn't large enough to accommodate a car race.

So far as I know you're correct. I would like to remove Grease from the films section, because as far as I know the race scene was shot downtown in the LA River during the 77-78 draught... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.107.223.153 (talk) 17:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Article - how to pronounce?
FYI - this might be a useful reference...

"Why do we pronounce our place names this way?" - Feb 23, 2021 LA Times article

 * https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-02-23/los-angeles-why-do-we-pronounce-place-names-this-way

• Sbmeirow  •  Talk  • 00:00, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Patent medicine/archive1

Patent medicine
Self-nomination. Been on Peer review several weeks, and it seems to me to be interesting, readable, and as complete as I know to make it. — Smerdis of Tlön 21:31, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Support. Very nice work. Minor objection. Looks pretty good overall. I've made some copyedits to fix most of the issues I saw, but one more requires someone with sources in hand. The coverage of Snake oil is one short and somewhat stilted paragraph. The term "snake oil" is arguably more common than that of patent medicine, and "snake oil salesmen" has become synonymous with any unscrupulous sales person. It could be different in Europe, but this is certainly the case in the US. So that coverage and information should be expanded. - Taxman 23:00, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC) 	+
 * I mentioned snake oil in the lead, and tied it to the point made below at greater length that the promoters talked up exotic ingredients that really didn't do much. -- Smerdis of Tlön 01:37, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. Good pictures, well-researched and good references. Sayeth 20:02, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. Extremely US-centric. No mention of modern trade in similar medicines in Asia (that also has long history); goanna oil in Australia (along with other goods tarded amongst miners, settlers and Aborigines), or much of cure-alls sold in England, of which there were several (if not many). If it weren't for this, it would be great.--ZayZayEM 01:41, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I always thought it was a purely American term. Then isn't that acceptable for it to be US-centric?  The same issue in other contries could be covered elsewhere? Not sure, just thinking. - Taxman 13:32, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * I've never seen the term used outside American literature. Johnleemk | Talk 13:54, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * How much non-American literature have you read on the subject? I was reading an English book on Pox, Plague, and Pestilence last year, it spoke quite a lot about panaceas paraded in England and Europe in the same eras (and before). Including treatments for siphilis, fish oils and gypsy herb mixes of the mediteranean. Nostrum is certainly an applicable term for those, along with traditional Asian herbal medicines and rhino horn etc., and similar anti-curse, anti-pox, anti-vampire medicines available in Africa (which probably partly inspired the American phenomenon through Hoodoo), as well as a copy of teh American phenomenon that occured in Australia amongst settlers (inspired by both American trends, and Aboriginal medicines). That it doesn't even consider the similarities between Patent Medicine and similar historical phenomenon is the reason why I don't think it should be featured. Perhaps nostrum should be seperated into a seperate article. It also doesn't mention modern hokey "cure for cancer/HIV/Diabetes" wonder-drug/vitamin "scams" that have occured of late.--ZayZayEM 03:59, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * You do bring up a number of good points. I seem to remember some passages in Sterne that discussed eighteenth century patent medicines in England, and they probably do need to be looked up and added.  Will try and track down this book if it can be had this side of the Atlantic.  Some note should probably be taken of the contemporary "nutritional supplement" mess.  Not sure if all traditional remedies or East Asian medical practices are quite the same thing, though.  -- Smerdis of Tlön 03:08, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I do understand that patent medicine is not the same as traditional medicine I just feel its odd that a lot of these aren't even mentioned. Traditional/holistic medicine is the inspiration/target of modern 20/21st century patent medicines (e.g. those multivitamin pyramid schemes). European and Australian patent medicine definitely falls under the scope of this particular article ("Patent" being more of a Western thing). I'll try and get that book out again next time I'm near campus.--ZayZayEM 13:06, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Gytrash

The Gytrash was a legendary shape-changer known in parts of the West Riding of Yorkshire. It was said to haunt lonely roads awaiting travelers. Appearing usually in the shape of animals (horses, mules, and dogs among others), the Gytrash haunt solitary ways and lead people astray, but they can also be benevolent, guiding lost travelers to the right road. They are usually feared. The Gytrash is a shapechanging cousin of the Lincolnshire and Northamptonshire Shagfoal, of the Lancashire Skriker, of the Padfoot, also from the West Riding and of Barguest of much of the North Riding, Cumberland, Lincolnshire, County Durham and Northumberland.

The most important gytrash references appear in the writings of the Brontës.

The Gytrash's emergence as Rochester's innocuous dog Pilot has been interpreted as a subtle mockery of the mysteriousness and romanticism that surrounds his character and which clouds Jane's perception. Brontë's reference in 1847 is the earliest reference to the beast in print and forms the basis for subsequent citations.

Branwell Brontë referred to the guytrash in his unpublished writing in December 1837, predating Charlotte Brontë's reference: 'A Gytrash is a Spectre neither at all similar to the Ghosts of those who once were alive nor to fairys and silvan Creatures nor to Demons and the powers of the air[.] It does not confine its forms to the Human and indeed most seldom appears in such a form[.] A Black Dog dragging a chain a dusky calf[,] nay even a rolling stone or a self impelled cart wheel are more commonly the mortal coil of the Sullen Spectre[.] But the Darkwall Gytrash was known by the form of an Old Dwarfish and hideous Man as often seen without a head as with one and moving at dark along the naked feilds which spread round the Aged House[.] its visits were connected in all mens minds with the fortunes of the family[.] he hovered round and evil omens were always drawn on such occasions and if tradition spoke true fullfilled upon them.'

This spirit is also known as Guytrash and Guytresh according to The English Dialect Dictionary of Joseph Wright (1855–1930) where it is defined as a ghost that takes the form of an animal. These include a "great black dog" as well as "an evil cow whose appearance was formerly believed in as a sign of death."

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MSRI

MSRI may refer to:

 * Malaysian Social Research Institute, Kuala Lumpur, assists refugees
 * Market Systems Resilience Index, measures the capacity of a market system to adapt and adjust to shocks
 * Mathematical Sciences Research Institute, California, undertakes research in mathematics

title: MSRI


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Oxygenation

Oxygenation may refer to:

 * Oxygenation (environmental), a measurement of dissolved oxygen concentration in soil or water
 * Oxygen saturation (medicine), the process by which concentrations of oxygen increase within a tissue
 * Water oxygenation, the process of increasing the oxygen saturation of the water
 * Dioxygen complex, the chemical details of how metals bind oxygen
 * Great Oxygenation Event, an ancient event that led to the rise of oxygen within our atmosphere

title: Oxygenation


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Sky Open (TV channel)

Sky Open (formerly known as Prime) is a New Zealand free-to-air television network. It airs a varied mix of programming, largely imported from Australia, the United Kingdom and the United States.

It was originally owned by Prime Television Limited in Australia. Prime later entered into a joint-venture agreement with Nine Entertainment Co. (Nine Network Australia) in February 2002, causing the network's graphics to look like the Nine Network. On 8 February 2006, the Commerce Commission gave Sky clearance to purchase the station for NZ$31 million.

Prime's analogue terrestrial signals had covered 91% of the population via the state-owned Kordia transmission network. It is currently available free-to-air on Sky on satellite and Kordia on terrestrial.

Prime (1998–2023)
During early 1998, the United Christian Broadcasters purchased 34 TV licences of UHF spectrum from TVNZ that had been used for the defunct Horizon Pacific and MTV channels. Then during June 1998, Prime Television Limited in Australia purchased the unused 34 TV licences from United Christian Broadcasters for approximately A$3.6 million. The licences covered all major cities and towns, mainly on UHF, except for the Gisborne area, which is served via a VHF signal. On 30 August 1998, Prime Television New Zealand began broadcasting at 6.30 pm with Two Fat Ladies.

Originally the station broadcast classic British programming, documentaries, sports and dramas aimed at the 30 years and above age bracket. In Waikato and Christchurch, Prime produced a half-hour nightly news programme. Although these programmes rated well, they were unprofitable.

In February 2002, Prime New Zealand entered into an agreement with Australian media mogul Kerry Packer's PBL (parent of the Nine Network). Under this five-year agreement, Nine agreed to provide the station with content it owned the rights to, expertise and an amount of cash. In return, Nine was given the right to acquire 54% of Prime New Zealand at the end of the contract. If Prime New Zealand continued to lose money, Nine could choose not to take this up.

After this deal, Prime took on a broader and more expensive programming mix and axed the local content to cut costs. This increased ratings and profits significantly. This new format was modelled closely on the Global Television Network in Canada, whose parent company Canwest happened to own TV3 at the time.

Almost immediately, some Australian programmes produced by Nine Network and shown on Prime NZ took on a slightly New Zealand flavour. For example, one New Zealander per week began to appear on the Australian version of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?, and weather details for New Zealand cities appeared on the Australian Today breakfast programme. Localisation of Australian programmes increased, with New Zealander Charlotte Dawson becoming the presenter of a New Zealand version of Nine travel programme Getaway (Dawson left this position at the end of 2006). Many Australian programmes were simply broadcast on Prime without any adaptation for New Zealand audiences, however.

During 2003–04, the number of Australian programmes broadcast decreased. These were largely replaced with more expensive (and higher rated) British and American programmes, such as a Sunday evening British drama slot.

On 2 November 2004, TVNZ presenter Paul Holmes announced that he was resigning from his Holmes programme on the state broadcaster and beginning a new one on Prime in 2005. This new programme, called Paul Holmes, began on 7 February 2005. The arrival of Holmes was seen as a major sign of Prime's rise in status, from a small, second-tier network to a major player on the New Zealand scene, joining TVNZ and TV3 in this regard. The programme, however, did not rate well. In June 2005, Prime moved the show to 6 pm, directly following Prime News, in an attempt to increase ratings. This was ultimately unsuccessful and Prime TV cancelled the programme on 8 August 2005 due to poor ratings. Holmes returned to host a one-hour weekly current affairs/interview programme, which was still called Holmes, and screened on Thursday evenings. In 2006, the show was relaunched as a strictly entertainment-oriented talk show and screened on Wednesday evenings. It did not return in 2007, but two "specials" were filmed. For most of 2007, Holmes' work for Prime consisted solely of a weekly opinion segment, broadcast Sunday nights as part of Prime News.

In late December 2004, Prime announced it had acquired New Zealand broadcast rights for the new series of Doctor Who, one of its highest-profile imported shows, which went on to screen in June 2005 to generally good ratings until December 2017 when TVNZ 2 took over the broadcasting rights to the show.

In 2005, Prime announced that it would broadcast a minimum of 5.5% of local programmes, following recommendations from NZ On Air.

From 6 October 2005, Prime showed a weekly programme called New Zealand's Top 100 History Makers, where a brief biography of notable New Zealanders was shown as ranked by a panel of experts. The final episode, screened on 17 November 2005, showed the rankings of these people as a result of votes collected from the public via text and Internet.

In November 2005, Sky Television purchased Prime for NZ$30 million. The deal was subject to Commerce Commission approval and undisclosed conditions. On 8 February 2006, following receipt of Commerce Commission clearance, Sky Television purchased Prime New Zealand from Australian-based Prime Television. The acquisition of Prime by Sky Television saw a range of shows screened on Sky channels now included on Prime, these shows included American Chopper and MythBusters, which screen on the Discovery Channel.

In December 2005, it was announced that Prime had secured the 2006 free-to-air delayed broadcast of rugby union from TV3.

On 4 September 2006, the network relaunched with a modified logo, already seen in print advertisements, and new on-air branding.

In April 2008, Prime switch to broadcasting in a lower quality anamorphic widescreen 16:9 format following the lead of other Freeview and Sky channels. Previously they had opted to use the more proportionally scaled letterboxed format for 16:9 content. They like other Kordia PAL analogue broadcasters are using a 14:9 letterbox format on their PAL simulcast.

Prime signed a deal with CBS Television Distribution to air exclusive first run content from 1 January 2013.

On 13 February 2016, Prime underwent a brand refresh and began permanently broadcasting in High Definition.

In 2018, Love Island started showing on this channel shifting from TVNZ 2.

On 28 March 2023, Prime updated with a new look featuring the outline version of the 2016 logo.

Sky Open (2023–present)
On 17 August 2023, it was announced that Prime would change its name to Sky Open on 23 August 2023.

High Definition
In 2010, Prime HD was temporarily launched only on Sky TV Channel 140 to cover the 2010 Winter Olympics. Prime HD was only available during every Olympics or Commonwealth games on Channel 444. Freeview HD viewers did not have the option to see the Olympic or Commonwealth games in high definition.

On 13 February 2016, Prime underwent a brand refresh and began permanently broadcasting in High Definition.

On 11 December 2019, Prime was made available in HD to Freeview DTT viewers.

Freeview
On 7 May 2007, a consortium of broadcasters including TVNZ, MediaWorks (owners of TV3 and C4), Maori Television Service, and Radio New Zealand launched the non-profit, free-to-air Freeview service, the nationwide digital free-to-air system in New Zealand. The service was initially broadcast via the Optus D1 satellite in standard definition only, but in April 2008 extended to a high definition digital terrestrial service which is broadcast in main centres only.

Prime was widely expected to be included in the initial group of Freeview channels, but Sky Television had consistently refused to take part, citing poor economics. Broadcasting Minister Jonathan Coleman then asked officials to invite Sky, Freeview and state-owned transmission company Kordia to meet him to discuss the matter, but Sky TV spokesman Tony O'Brien was quoted as saying "It is not economic for Prime to be on Freeview at this time." The economics had to do with non-government-owned broadcasters paying less for transmission costs on the government-owned Kordia network.

A deal between TVNZ and Sky to have TVNZ 6 and 7 available to Sky subscribers in exchange for Prime finally being launched on Freeview with a virtual channel assignment of 10 on 17 August 2009. If Prime would have joined at launch then they may have been able to get a lower assignment, however virtual channel assignments are only enforced on certified receivers. It is also noted virtual channel 10 is not far off its usual tuning to push-button 9 on analogue television sets, due to its historic links with the Nine Network, its allocation on Sky's former analogue terrestrial service, and for compatibility with video recorders using the G-Code scheduling system.

Prime joined Freeview on 17 August 2009 and is broadcasting in the clear on both the satellite and terrestrial services.

From October 2013, Sky ceased the encryption on the three regional satellite feeds for Prime, so they could be used for channel locked, Freeview certified satellite receivers. However, TVNZ is still only linking to the Auckland regional feed for all areas.

Prime swapped Freeview positions with Te Reo, on 1 March 2023, with Prime moving to channel 15, and Te Reo moving to channel 10.

News First
From launch Prime broadcast local newscasts in Christchurch and Hamilton on weeknights at 5:30pm. Christchurch's bulletin was anchored by Vanessa Rawson, with Mei Taare anchoring Hamilton's bulletin. Both bulletins ran for half an hour, but due to intense competition for local news in Christchurch and a lack of viewership, both bulletins were cancelled. Prime launched a nightly news bulletin – branded as Prime News – First at 5:30, from 2004. Unlike their early foray into local news, the new bulletins were screened nationwide and as a result, held a stronger national focus.

It was confirmed on April 10 of 2024, News First at 5:30PM would cease production due to Warner Bros. Discovery's closure of the Newshub newsroom. It is unknown whether the newscast "could be salvaged, whether or not it was under the Newshub banner," according to Stuff NZ.

Hosts

 * Weekdays – Eric Young 2006 –
 * Weekends – Janika ter Ellen 2015 –
 * Substitute – Janika ter Ellen

Former hosts

 * Suzy Clarkson (née Aiken) 2004 – 2010
 * Ross Karl (Sports)
 * Kelly Swanson-Roe
 * Karen Rutherford
 * Alistar Wilkinson
 * Charlotte Bellis
 * Wayne Hay
 * Garry Wilkinson

Presentation
2004–2006

Launched in February 2004 as Prime News – First at 5:30 and was presented on weeknights by former Getaway (TVNZ version) presenter and ABC (US) reporter Suzy Clarkson (née Aiken) and was produced in Sydney by Sky News Australia, using the resources of Sky News Australia and Newstalk ZB broadcasting from a chroma keyed studio.

2006–2015

In 2006 Prime and Sky TV moved to a new broadcast hub in Albany near Auckland New Zealand, A new studio and host Eric Young coincided with the move and a relaunch of Prime. Prime News, and used the same graphics and music as its sister bulletin Sky News, it also sourced more local content sourced primarily from 3 News.

The role of sports newsreader was held by Suzy Clarkson (née Aiken), and newcomers Kelly Swanson-Roe and Ross Karl, with Clarkson also reading the weekend news. Political coverage was provided by Newstalk ZB political editor Barry Soper, along with several other Wellington-based reporters, at this stage Prime had no full-time South Island reporters.

During the Rugby World Cup 2011, Prime News hosted several bulletins from the ANZ Viaduct Events Centre in Central Auckland.

During the 2012 London Olympic Games Prime News broadcast from a temporary shared space with Sky Sport.

2015-present

On 23 January 2015 it was announced that Prime News will be Produced by MediaWorks (now produced by Warner Bros. Discovery NZ), and it was confirmed that Janika ter Ellen, and Wayne Hay will replace Eric Young due to his current commitments he was unable to present the show.

The new look show debuted on Sunday 1 March presented by Janika ter Ellen. On Monday 13 April Eric Young returned as Weekday Anchor, with Wayne Hay moving to 60 Minutes and Janika ter Ellen staying at weekends.

On 16 February 2016 a new look logo was launched and news began being presented and broadcast in High Definition.

As part of the rebranding to Sky Open on 23 August 2023, Prime News was rebranded as News First.

Current affairs
Current affairs is provided as a New Zealand-hosted version of the CBS show 60 Minutes with the bulk of the stories coming from the foreign show.

Hosts included:

2015 : Charlotte Bellis

2016 : Alistair Wilkinson

Sports
With Prime 100% owned by Sky Network Television, it has access to a large selection of sports content that Sky broadcasts, this content is typically delayed with some live coverage of certain events to fulfill free-to-air requirements, as Sky is effectively selling them to itself. Prime used to broadcast a weekly Sunday afternoon sports highlights show called Ultimate Sport Sunday, which included highlights of cricket, rugby union, NRL, Formula One, WRC and Moto GP.

Prime was also granted the rights to broadcast the free to air screening of Euro 2008. Free to air coverage of the 2012 London and 2016 Rio Olympics was seen on Prime with Sky being the new rights holder. Prime is the Free TV broadcaster of the ANZ Premiership and shows highlights weekly. Prime also broadcasts one-hour versions of WWE Raw, WWE NXT and WWE Smackdown.

Native concept

 * Back Benches
 * The Brokenwood Mysteries

Locally made programmes
The following shows are screened for most of the year (normally only excluding summer months)

Past news programming
Prime used to broadcast Nine Network Australia's early morning news programmes such as Today and, until 6 February 2007, National Nine News: Morning Edition when the Nine Network had ownership. Overnight, and during important international news events such as the 2008 US Presidential Election, it has relayed the international feed of US news channel Fox News.

Output contracts

 * Paramount Global Distribution Group (exclusive)
 * NBCUniversal International Television Distribution (non-exclusive)
 * Lionsgate Worldwide Television Distribution Group (first-option with Sky and Prime channels)
 * Warner Bros. Worldwide Television Distribution (from 2019)

Sky Open +1
Sky Open +1 is an hour delayed timeshift channel of the Sky Open broadcast. It was launched on 1 February 2017 as Prime Plus 1. It is available on Sky channel 514 or can be manually tuned to free-to-air satellite-signal receivers.

title: Sky Open (TV channel)


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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Aramaic language/archive1

Aramaic language
Not a self-nom, as I've never edited the article, but I'm quite impressed by it. It's a thorough and informative description of a historically important language, with appropriate pictures and solid references. – Quadell (talk) (help)  21:28, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

 * (Mildly) object at this point. It's strong on the history of the language; I suspect, though, that the historical material could be made clearer — perhaps making "Old," "Middle," and "Modern" into top level headers would be a start. Also, there's relatively little information about its grammar, phonology, or relationships with other Semitic languages: since the historical parts make reference to certain sounds, diphthongs, and grammatical features, these remarks don't have much context. -- Smerdis of Tlön 22:07, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I totally agree with the objection, seeing as I wrote the article only a couple of days ago, and I'm still working on the part in question. The long and complex history of Aramaic makes its phonology and grammar a difficult subject. What I have so far can be seen on User:Garzo/projects. I might support the article in a few days...
 * Gareth Hughes 01:50, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Since Gareth is still working, a few suggestions: 1) add a lead section. 2) Avoid single paragraph sections like "Classification". Integrate the information with other sections, or expand the information in that section. (As for "Classification", I would suggest putting it in the lead section. Also, the information is already in the table, so not strictly necessary in the article itself.) 3) Adding one or more sound samples to hear what the language sounds like. Jeronimo 08:27, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * This is a great article, and in my view easily deserves featured article status even as it stands; however, a phonology and grammar section would be good, so let's wait a little. - Mustafaa 00:18, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/History of the Yosemite area

History of the Yosemite area
Self-nom. I've exhausted several sources to write this and have been really scrapping the bottom of the barrel to find more, which is a good indicator that I should stop. Other than some more images (which I'm working on), what else needs to be done to bring this article to FA standard? --mav
 * I haven't had time read it all, but I'd like to see the article started with an explanation on where the area in question actually is before you shoot off into its history. I'll try to give it a closer later. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 21:50, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * Geo-ref added. Images too. --mav 12:08, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. This article is a detailed article, while Yosemite National Park is the general one. I don't think this article needs background. It's quite good, actually. --- hike395 08:01, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --mav 12:08, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * If I had to chose one thing that bothers me about the article, I would say referring to non-Native-Americans as "white". It might not be accurate (are you sure that no black people were involved at all?) and also I find it a little weird. I don't have a concrete substitute that is flawless, though (Europeans? Americans? non-Native-Americans?) -- hike395 08:05, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 'Non-Native-Americans' might be best, since being born in America doesn't a European make. :) Euro-American would also work. --mav 12:08, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Support. Impressive work as always, mav. - Fredrik | talk 18:07, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Great work. Support when two issues are taken care of: 1) The one and two sentence paragraphs are eliminated. They show areas that are incomplete ideas and are not good prose. 2) The writing is pretty stilted throughout and doesn't flow very well.  That is a consequence of being pretty well researched it seems, but it does need to flow a fair amount better from one idea to the next in many parts. - Taxman 20:57, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)
 * Support--ZayZayEM 01:16, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Talk:The Jerky Boys 4

This is my first shot at adding a Wikipedia article. I tried to use other albums as a guide - but if I've made a real newbie kind of mistake - please let me know on my Talk page. Thanks. Joeldixon66 10:47, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hawaiian architecture/archive1

Hawaiian architecture
Renominating. Previous nomination was shot down on insignificant copyright issues. I think its quite good and deserves to be featured. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality/talk]] 02:20, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * Previous nomination here. I strongly doubt whether all the images tagged as Fair use actually qualify for that tag, copyright is not insignificant for a serious encyclopedia. -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 07:23, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * How many Hawaiian Wikipedians do we have? Could some take photos of some of these sites, and then we'd have some GFDL pictures?--ZayZayEM 01:02, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * My original objection still stands: "Object, I'm afraid. This is a good article, but the majority of the photos in the article are copyrighted. A minor thing is the use of bold in each paragraph. This is not only unnecessary, but also discouraged by the WP:MOS." Jeronimo 07:40, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Bold section text removed. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality/talk]] 23:52, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)


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Talk:Birr, County Offaly

Untitled
is the castle by now open to the public? (it was not in 2000)

Lectonar 10:48, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Nope its still not open, but discussions are on going

"Notable people from Birr"
This list continues to be an easy target for VN and other hoax posts. I expect that these attacks are practically encouraged given that there is no sources given to the current listings, or no indication given to why these people are notable or worth mentioning (and therefore there is no precedence/guideline). Because of this I expect these VN/hoax postings will continue.

Given that none of the current list members are notable enough to warrant an article of their own, then one of two things probably need to happen. Option one - Remove the list entirely. Option 2 - "flesh out" the listings to confirm why the members are notable. (And 2.1 - if they don't or can't be fleshed out, then they are likely "not notable" and can be removed). Guliolopez 10:22, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Per above, this list continues to be an easy target for nonsense and vanity posts. Given that there has been no significant action taken on Option 2 as above, and therefore the list members are evidently not notable (by any Notability_(people) or Verifiability criteria), then - unless there are any marked objections - I'm going to act on Option 1 soon and remove the list. Guliolopez 17:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Crinkle
The village of Crinkle should be mentioned. Badagnani (talk) 20:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

It's under Crinkill. Badagnani (talk) 20:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

County location?
A reader, writing to Wikimedia Foundation, asked a question, which I will pose as follows (x-posted to the other talk page):

How does the opening sentence of King's County Birr (UK Parliament constituency):

Birr, a division of King's County

Reconcile with Birr, which states:

Birr (Irish: Biorra; pronounced [b??r]) is a town in County Offaly, Ireland.

Is Birr in Kig's county or Offaly county?-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  16:26, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes Birr is in King's county or Offaly county. What is now commonly called County Offaly was called King's County "In 1556, an Act of the Irish parliament created "King's County", named after Philip, the then King of Ireland.[12] Despite the county's name being upheld as Offaly through the 2001 Local Government Act, no legislation was ever enacted after independence explicitly changing the name from King's County, the name formally established under the 1898 Local Government Act which continued to have legal effect."

King's County Birr (UK Parliament constituency) referred to a seat of the Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Nedrutland (talk) 16:38, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Proposed move.
A move proposal affecting this article has been made at Talk:Birr (disambiguation). Specifically, it is proposed that this article be moved to Birr, Ireland, and that Birr (disambiguation) be moved to Birr. bd2412 T 15:33, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/HMS Dreadnought (1906)

HMS Dreadnought (1906)
Not at all timely or of contemporary relevance - although it will be in two years' time - I believe this article is well-written, informative, of a suitable size and possessed of an attractive illustration. It taught me things I didn't know about the ship and the writing is flawless. - Ashley Pomeroy 19:15, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Featured articles have nothing to do with being timely or having contemporary relevance. No need for a disclaimer. Everyking 19:35, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Mild object - needs section headings. Smerdis of Tlön 19:51, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I have added some section headings, and the word 'was' (which rather torpedoes - pun! - my premature clam - pun! - that the writing was 'flawless'. I nonetheless maintain that it flows well and is well-written). - Ashley Pomeroy 21:29, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Support - though I tend to agree with Jeronimo that some discussion of the Dreadnought Hoax in-text would be an improvement. -- Smerdis of Tlön 16:36, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. 1) The lead section could be slightly expanded. 2) I would prefere to see some offline references as well, and have the references listed in the format recommended/proposed by Cite your sources. 3) The lead section mentions that this was a very important ship, but little is said about that in the article (apart from repeating this fact). 4) Little is said about the actual operations this ship served in/on. More is needed on this. (Also, the sinking of the submarine is called "ironic" - why?). 5) The table needs links to articles about the terms mentioned. It should be possible to find out what Barbettes and Conning Towers are. 6) The Dreadnought Hoax, mentioned in the "See also" section, deserves attention in the article. Jeronimo 07:49, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I've taken these points on board and polished the article further, although having just read the Battle of the Bulge article I'm having a crisis of confidence, because that's much larger and more impressive. In order 1) I've left the intro pretty much as it is, because it's a 'sting' 2) As for physical paper books, I have added 'Jane's Battleships' (mostly for information on the turret layout), which I have been reading and which prompted me to have a look for 'Dreadnought' on Wikipedia, and Robert Massie's 'Dreadnought', which I borrowed from the library but got bored with because Massie's thing is politics rather than machinery 3) 4) Dreadnought's influence is hard to express in a way which connects with the heart; rather like the modern-day Space Shuttle or the Me-262 jet fighter it exists as a monolithic presence, a junction-point in history, but one with no emotional resonance. Its philosophy was hugely important, but as a ship it had a thoroughly uninteresting career. I have however explained why the sinking of U29 was ironic 5) I have linked those terms and others, but I believe the table is common to several ship-related artlces 6) I have briefly alluded to the hoax in the text, as a consequence of Dreadnought's fame. - Ashley Pomeroy 20:44, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I seperated links and References -- I wasn't sure if all external links had been used as references, please restore those which were. Other than that I Support this interesting well-written article--ZayZayEM 14:00, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/1973 oil crisis

1973 oil crisis
Originally nominated as 1973 energy crisis

With the price of oil nearing $50 a barrel and fears that the price of oil could hurt economic growth next year, I've been finding myself explaining to a lot of younger people off Wiki the impact of a sudden oil shock (something far more overwhelming than any of the measured predictions for next year). With that in mind, in think that many readers these days will find this article an interesting one for the main page. Self-nom. 172 18:50, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Excellent writing for the most part, I scurried up a new image to accompany the lead section, I think it fits nicely. The one thing I am missing for sure is a references section, and maybe some external links/further reading. -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 20:11, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
 * Here's a start at expanding the notes and references section. 172 22:17, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Mild object. Article is at 1973 energy crisis, but its not a crisis for solar energy, or nuclear energy, wind energy, etc... you see my point I think. Article should really be at 1973 gasoline crisis or 1973 oil crisis. Other than that good article (even if it is minus a few references). Alkivar 22:51, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I agree. I've been wanting to change it to 1973 world oil shock for a while. Any objections to me moving the page? 172 22:53, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Seems to me that 1973 oil crisis would be a better title, since "1973 world oil shock" gets about 90 google hits, and "1973 oil crisis" gets 6500. But I'm unfamiliar with the subject (born 11 years later), so I don't know how the event is generally referred to. Spangineer 23:51, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
 * As "the 1973 oil crisis"! Or even simply as "the oil crisis" (but that wouldn't be a good article name). I was 110 in 1973 and I've never even heard the term "oil shock". Please move it again.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 00:35, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The term "world oil shock" is very common in the academic literature, though. See the JSTOR search here ("Shock" is borrowed from a concept in social science and economics literature, e.g., endogenous shock and exogenous shock.) 172 03:03, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * JSTOR is subscription only. I'll just take your word for it.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 13:48, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

08:36, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * "Energy crisis" is by far the most common term. Also, while one can say that non-petrochemical energy sources didn't have a crisis, the world was more dependent on oil (and coal) then than any time since, so the oil crisis was an "energy" crisis.  If the focus of the article were solely on the economic effects, then "oil shock" would be appropriate, since it was a "shock" to markets.  To people who couldn't commute to work in their cars, it was a crisis.  Geogre 20:07, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. Excellent article. Ambi 00:38, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. Clear, relevant and well written, although there is still some awkward phrasing in places. [[User:GeorgeStepanek|George\talk ]] 02:33, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. This article is very US centric. What happened in the other countries that were boycotted, Western Europe and Japan? There is virtually no information about this. In the Netherlands, for example, 6 so-called "car-free Sundays" were imposed by the government. A minor issue is that it is common to list references in normal font size in a sepearate section (title References). Jeronimo 07:57, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * There is indeed more coverage on the U.S. than any other country, which is warranted considering how these events were underpinned by the declining power of the U.S. to control the international economy. However, coverage is not at all U.S.-centric. (Perhaps this impression is given off by the pictures, which are all U.S.-related. This can be easily corrected.) The impact on Japan, Western Europe, Canada, Australia, and other Western nations; the Eastern bloc; and the Third World is thoroughly presented. Please take another look... There is also a considerably greater amount of attention paid to oil producers in Latin America, the Middle East, and Africa than in most write-ups on this subject found in other reference materials. Indeed, the article starts and ends with a look at the internal conditions of oil producers in the Third World. 172
 * Can you point out where the article specifically mentions a European nation? I can't. Take the "Response in the industrialized countries" (previously "..in the US"). First paragraph: all but the first sentence is about the US. Second paragraph: entirely about the US. Third paragraph: entirely about the US (not explicitly, but f.e. in the Netherlands, DST was only reintroduced after the 1977 crisis). Fourth: same. Fifth: mostly US ("Fortune 500"). Sixth: Western world. Seventh: Australia. Eighth: US again. So only two countries are specifically mentioned in this entire section, and Australia only briefly. Call it what you want, but I call this US-centric. And that is why I object.
 * As a survivor, I do not recognise the term 'oil shock' and would prefer 'oil crisis', which was what we called it at the time. I fail to see how non-U.S. impact can be said to be covered equally; where are the 'European/African/Asian/Latin American/etc. responses' sections? The article is very US centric to my reading. So Object for now. Filiocht 08:45, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * Object - 1973 oil crisis is the right place, but the article is still exceptionally US-centric. We had queues for oil in the UK too, you know.  There was even an issue of petrol rationing coupons, although I don't think they were used ultimately .  -- ALoan (Talk) 11:35, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Panchayat (film)

Panchayat (Nepali:पंचायत) is a 2017 Nepalese drama social film, directed and written by Shivam Adhikari and produced by Sushanta Shrestha and Sankhar Shrestha, under the banner Kalawati Films with NepalFlix and Hetauda Movies. The film is based on panchayat system in Nepal and it is mainly aimed at women and the film is set in 1974. The film stars Neeta Dhungana in the lead role along with Saroj Khanal, Rupa Rana, Ganesh Giti, Jahanwi Basnet and Bishal Pahari. It was selected as the Nepalese entry for the Best Foreign Language Film at the 91st Academy Awards, but it was not nominated.

Plot
The film is based on Nepalese Panchayat system in Nepal while in Nepalese king Birendra of Nepal's times.

Cast

 * Neeta Dhungana as Girl
 * Saroj Khanal as Kaji
 * Rupa Rana
 * Ganesh Giti
 * Jahanwi Basnet
 * Bishal Pahari

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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Christmas/archive1

Christmas
Renominated, after much retooling, in hopes of ratifying this comprehensive article in time for the holiday itself. It has been dramatically improved by many elves, who internationalized its content, added much-needed religious background, and relocated or altered many (justifiably criticized) Anglo-Amer centric and other parochial items. Consider, in the holiday spirit, if you can alter and improve anything which doesn't measure up to feature status in your mind. Merry Christmas.Sfahey 02:57, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support, although the lead section could be a tad longer, and I suspect that that huge article wasn't written using just three references. Ambi 08:23, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your forbearance. I woke up just now, remembered that I hadn't added the three references which I for one had used, went to put'm in, and found you guys had already noticed! I culled some other stuff from other wiki articles which are already wiki-linked.  I think many other tidbits are from others' personal experience or hearsay. Oh, and thanks for tip on the "lead". I'll get on that now. Sfahey 15:36, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Support. I helped shoot the article down last time, but I think Sfahey and others have done a great job addressing the objections raised. It's a difficult subject to reference. Obviously a good deal of the information comes straight from up-to-date personal experience, and is the better for it--trying the dull job of extracting secular customs in different countries from books (let alone scholarly books) would simply mean getting old information. That said, the references for the historical and analytic parts could indeed be more numerous, as well as just better, but I think they'll do.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 11:58, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks. see above note.Sfahey 15:36, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Comment: The article now does link to "Nativity". Thanks for others' improvements since this nomination started. BTW, I annotated the "external links" section. Since only one was "mine", I was reluctant to delete either the ones which (weren't blatantly commercial but) contained ads within them, or the two which mostly just supplemented the historical info in the article itself. No problem with me, for one, if anyone wants to weed through these more critically OR wants to consider moving/footnoting/condensing the longish "Theories about the date ..." section at the end. Bishonen gave it a shot, with near-disastrous results (it led to footnotes within footnotes) and we both chose to back off that challenge. This "team effort" has been gratifying. Thanks. Sfahey 20:06, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. This is much improved over the last version; informative, balanced and well-written. It kept my attention all the way through. Slim 14:41, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment: The Christmas story bit could include a main article link for Nativity, and the Nativity article I'm sure could be massively expanded... Joe D (t) 15:22, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support Tuf-Kat 09:28, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. utcursch 09:20, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Support Giano 13:43, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support, but I'm not sure why the "Theories regarding the origin of the date of Christmas" is at the end of the article - why not put it right after "Dates of celebration"? Just a suggestion... other than that, a great article.  And thanks for teaching me what a posada is - my host family in Mexico (while I was studying abroad there) used the term, and I just now learned what it means. --Spangineer ∞ 22:30, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That detailed part seemed close to being a footnote.Sfahey 17:23, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * No link to Christmahannukwanzaka?? Support.   +sj  +  07:27, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:11, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Habsburg Spain/archive1

Habsburg Spain
just a good-looking article I stumbled accross. dab 13:38, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Support: I think this is one of the best pages I have read on Wikipedia.  Factual, accurate, well illustrated and well written. Giano 13:48, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Very reluctantly object. No references and some minor touches of POV (i.e. 'intrepid'). Perhaps too many pictures. Otherwise, I second Giano. This is...brilliant. Ambi 14:05, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Absolute support. This is a tour de force. I don't personally mind that it is so long. Object. No references.  Was all this information written out of thin air with no look at any authoritative references or primary sources?  Adding them now is dishonest unless they are actually used to add, confirm, and cite the material in the article. - Taxman 17:27, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
 * Excellent addition of the references you used, much better than I could have hoped for, but please do continue to cite specific facts that may be contentious. For inline citations I prefer (Parker, 1972, pg 22-23) or similar, though unfortunately it seems there is no consensus on style for that. - Taxman 14:00, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

 * Object. First, the "lead" jumps right into the story. In the next section, Ferdinand is "sent packing" and young Charles is introduced. When they "return" it is not clear that it is the same twosome. Many other awkward passages follow.Sfahey 17:33, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. Sfahey and Taxman already mentioned problems with references and the lead section, and I agree with these. In addition: 1) The term "Habsburg Spain" only appears in the title of this article, and it is not clear from the lead section, nor the article, what "Habsburg" means (I know, but the average reader may not). 2) Some of the passages dealing with the revolt in Netherlands seem a bit simplistic and hence not fully correct. I suspect similar things may be true for other parts of the article. 3) The lead section makes a brief references to "cultural efflorescence", but the article does not go into detail on this topic. 4) The article is mostly chronological, but some sections cover the entire period, and would probably best be moved to the bottom, clearly separating them from the history sections. 5) The years in the titles of the sections are misleading. For example, "The trouble with the Dutch (1571-1598)" suggests the trouble ended in 1598, but the Eighty Years' War continued until 1648. Jeronimo 22:05, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * The errors in the article are mine alone, so, I apologize. I added my sources for the original article (the list is quite exhaustive of those I used) at the end of the page. The fact that they were missing in the first place was a gross oversight, and again I apologize. I will go over and place direct citations where I can, though I am not so sure where I need to; there are some quotes from Olivares that I will cite, and some statistics in the later sections for which I will do the same. In dealing with the Dutch revolt, I in fact began with a longer explanation of the war's causes, but someone else pointed out to me that this was a history of Spain rather than the Eighty Years' War, and so I was advised to pare it down, with which I mostly agree. The cultural aspect of the period is left out intentionally; as stated in the introductory paragraph, "For information on Spanish art and culture in the period, see Spanish Golden Age," as the Dutch article divides the Dutch Golden Age from the main social/political history, though perhaps an overview would be appropriate in this article. "The trouble with the Dutch" has been retitled, though somewhat regretfully, since I thought it was a rather catchy title. At any rate, thank you for noticing the article; I had been hoping that some people would come hash through my habitually atrocious POV problems, so the attention might help improve its quality. Adam Faanes 05:02, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I see the note to see Spanish Golden Age, but it seems to me at least that some of that should be summarized in this article. It doesn't need to cover every detail, but all of the important topics should at least be summarized, with a link to Spanish Golden Age as the main article. - Taxman 14:00, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding the references. However, most of my objections still remain. I'll see if I can fix some of the inaccuracies I spotted. Jeronimo 18:21, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * A summary on Spanish art and culture has been added and ==The Last Habsburg== has been put where it should be. I'll help tear through the main article for NPOV tomorrow. The question is now whether or not 55 KB is too long. Adam Faanes 03:07, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Object for now. This is a good article, but not quite there yet. I think the coverage is adequate for an encyclopeadia article, but the writing needs editing for style (for instance, the work Spain appears 8 times in the lead section) and POV. Supprised not to find Braudel's The Mediterranean and the Mediterranean World in the Age of Phillip II among the references. Filiocht 08:56, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment maybe it was premature to nominate the article. But I still think it a remarkable feat of Adam's to quietly produce such a piece in just a couple of edits. Also, it seems our FA standards are rising all the time. I have seen FAs decidedly below the quality of this one. Anyway, I do not apologize for having drawn attention to this article, and I am sure it will be FA worthy by any standard pretty soon. dab 09:22, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes, but most of those articles were promoted before the FAC process, so comparison to their substandard quality for the purposes of current nominations isn't relevant. See Featured article removal candidates and that talk page for efforts to make sure all FA's meet the same basic standards.  In any case, of course no apologies necessary for noticing and listing a mostly great article. - Taxman 14:00, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment: I believe this was nevertheless a good nomination, as attention has been drawn to the article's potential. It is already improving, and reads better as it goes along. I tried to explain how Spain "became" Habsburg, which was missing in the original. Several sections however still go into into excess detail on events in Europe that go far beyond "Hapsburg Spain". Sfahey 00:53, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Abstain. It has great potential and I hope to be able to support it soon after above objections has been adressed. Please note ATM it is 44kb long, and probably needs to be split into subarticles. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:20, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Support, and this article is not too long at 44 kb. On the issue of length and splitting up a good linear article of this size into subarticles, please see the many cogent arguments made against such a procedure w r t John Vanbrugh, on this page recently, and also see the FAC talk page discussion which was sparked by it.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 20:03, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support--ZayZayEM 13:13, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. The page is quite long and could do with maybe splitting out a little detail into subarticles, and it seems a little weak on "people's history", but nevertheless it's very good. Everyking 14:35, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The article is getting better every day, but I think it IS too long because of the amount of material which is not about "Habsburg Spain". For example, more than 3/4ths of "An Emperor and a King" is not about Spain at all. Sure, we have to know something about what was going on in Charles' mind, but this is excessive.  I condensed a lot of extraneous material in some other sections, but don't know enough about these years to do the same effectively.Sfahey 21:38, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I've amended some portions of the article for the items you've mentioned; I don't know what quite made me digress to talking about Thomas Muntzer in the first place, really. I tried to clarify exactly how the conflicts in Germany related to Spain. I also added back in some information about the Italian wars that got edited away in the process; I think that adding just a touch of military history adds some flavor to the history that makes it more engaging. Adam Faanes 13:07, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Support, though the article is constantly improving. Fernand Braudel's book needs to be incorporated into the text too, not just listed in References. Subsections in these massive articles essentially break them down into the short sub-articles that a few people seem to desire. No point in breaking up context for the rest of us, IMO. I think this is an outstanding example for Wikipedia, the essence of a Featured Article. --Wetman 03:11, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. The opening section needs a lot of work. It should introduce the subject and article.  Also, the article may have too many pictures (I counted 43).  And the captions for the pictures could be improved, in many cases.  That said, I am impressed by this article and look anticipate it will become a featured article once the objections here raised are addressed. Jacob1207 21:48, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I made minor changes in the "lead", which looks O.K. to me, and buffed up a caption or two. I still see the main problem here is the huge amount of material dealing with Charles I's activities as H.R.E Charles V, which I don't think have much relevance to "Habsburg Spain".Sfahey 22:41, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/University of Nottingham

University of Nottingham
(self-nomination) I have been working on this for some time, and thought I'd risk trying for featured article status. --Iceaxejuggler 13:21, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. Multiple one- and two-sentence paragraphs show poor writing style. They need to be either expanded into a full idea worthy of a paragraph or merged with good style into other paragraphs covering related ground (to paraphrase Taxman below). Mark1 08:23, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Except for lists, I have now combined these into longer paragraphs. --Iceaxejuggler 10:34, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object for now - it all looks pretty good, but the list of campuses could be turned from a bullet point list into text, and some details could be summarised here from the halls of residence article. I'll support when these are done.  As far as I can see, no other University is featured, so well done. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:50, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I've done my best to change these lists into paragraphs + add a word or two more about halls of residence. Please feel free to make any further improvements. --Iceaxejuggler 12:09, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)