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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Talk:Ambition (card game)

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was - kept

Talk:Ambition (card game)

 * Note Well: This VfD process continues into Thursday, December 9th. See this and several other procedural matters discussed after the VfD discussion on this page --Jerzy(t) 08:00, 2004 Dec 4 (UTC)

This page is a Talk page for a long-deleted article on a semi-obscure card game that was a lightning rod for stupid, puerile controversies (at the fault of both sides). This page has also been a flamewar-magnet. It's best for Wikipedia that the page be deleted and the matter completely forgotten. 259 16:50, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC) Delete Keep
 * Comment: the matter was forgotten until the nominator attempted to hide its contents by substiting their own PoV for its entirety. --Jerzy(t) 20:13, 2004 Dec 3 (UTC)
 * 1) [Jerzy notes that nomination signed "259 16:50, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)" counts, in absence of contary statement, as Del vote.]
 * 2) Why keep a talk page for a defunct article? Cribcage 00:04, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 3) *So that there will be a record of what was said before if anyone tries to re-create the article? [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 00:52, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 4) **"Just in case." Hmph. Wikipedia is not paper notwithstanding, I don't find that persuasive. My vote, my two cents. Cribcage 06:39, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 5) *So that there will be a record of what was said before when someone tries to re-create the article, as the nominator has stated is a future near-certainty. (And as many who favored its deletion believe is a certainty.) --Jerzy(t) 20:13, 2004 Dec 3 (UTC)

 * 1) It is not our policy to delete talk pages, and even if it were, this one should be kept.  See comments below. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 17:32, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) Talk pages should not be deleted. It describes an old controversy, but that shouldn't matter much, since very few users will ever see this page unless they are familiar with and had an interest in the old controversy. Actually, I'm wondering how 259 even happened to find it. By default, searches don't include Talk pages, and they are tagged so that search engines won't index them. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 20:15, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 3) This page is important for the following purposes:
 * 4) ** Evaluating claims that someone is a sockpuppet of User:Mike Church. Nominator has claimed prove as a non-sockpuppet based on what they describe as a markedly different style, implicitly appealing to this page. (Beyond our intuitive understanding of that, according to nominator, WP contribs, presumably including these, can be used in determining identities; they also have intimated (link on my talk page) that this is legally admissable evidence.)
 * 5) ** Documenting the background of the previous deletion, whenever future attempts are made to return such an article to the article space.
 * 6) * --Jerzy(t) 20:13, 2004 Dec 3 (UTC)
 * 7) Keep, for the record. Eugene van der Pijll 10:05, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 8) Keep -- These types of records are important where hard-banned users are concerned. Definite keep.  SWAdair | Talk  10:56, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 9) * Unless i am far more ignorant than i realize, this reference to being "hard-banned" (and the more explicit one in the comments section) are mistaken: it is implausible that he was banned only after 2004 Oct 30, and likewise implausible that he was banned for his two much more defensible edits of that date. It appears, rather, that his sincerity in "going away" was given the benefit of the doubt.
 * 10) **My bad. You're right.  He was not hard-banned.  Would "disruptive" have been a better word?  I believe there is ample evidence to support that.  SWAdair | Talk  04:12, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 11) Keep. Not only because of the policy of keeping talk pages, but because it clearly serves as proof of User:259 disrupting anti-wiki behaviour. --Regebro 12:21, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 12) Keep --PilotPrecise 22:09, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 13) Keep. This is a talk page, not an article. Even though I supported the article's deletion, the maintenance of a talk page on =any= topic is relevant. Denni ☯ 01:41, 2004 Dec 5 (UTC)
 * 14) Keep and Protect. Deletion would violate wiki policy. Wyss 23:52, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 15) Keep. We always keep talk pages as a historical record, and this page is particularly important given the possibility that the Ambition article will be re-created. Isomorphic 19:01, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 16) Keep - Keep talk pages. --Key45 23:12, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 17) Keep. What Dpbsmith and UC said. —No-One Jones (m) 02:16, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 18) Keep - One of the great things about Wikipedia is its history. Mike Church may one day grow up and learn that the universe is not solipsistic. (Okay, I grant this is a long-shot...) --Tagishsimon (talk)
 * 19) Keep - Mike Church's card game has been proven to cause cancer in lab rats. We cannot allow him to explode explore expose this to children!!!!!!1111 Blue This 17:37, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Sock puppet. —No-One Jones]] 00:44, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) Question Can I vote twice? Or no. I'm new to this thing and it would be nice to get some calamity Claritin clarification. Or do I have to give up my tesseract  telemetry television privileges for just asking? Your friend, Blue This 04:16, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The answer is no. Please disregard the above double-vote as the error of a new user.

Comments

Voters should be aware that User:259 is believed to be a sockpuppet of User:Mike Church, the creator of the "Ambition" card game rules. He also created the Ambition (card game) article, tried to control it, and then asked for its deletion. Church has putatively "left" Wikipedia, however a veritable army of probable socks and anons have continued his remarkably unique pattern of editing in the wake of his "departure." Church is simultaneously trying to reinsert mention of Ambition into Wikipedia articles (c.f. Talk:Carleton College and purge any record of the discussions that concluded that Ambition is not notable. Moreover, it is not our policy to delete talk pages. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 17:32, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * User:259 is believed to be a sockpuppet -- Not by anyone without ulterior, often political, motives that have already been hashed out two hundred times. Stop with the sock puppet shit, because I'm not. Get over it.
 * Church is simultaneously trying to reinsert mention of Ambition into Wikipedia articles (c.f. Talk:Carleton College --This is patently false. User:Mike Church has not contributed since last summer. As well, there are no apparent efforts to reinsert Ambition into Talk:Carleton College; I wrote a summary of the controversy there in order to summarize, in a two-sided manner, the pages of noxious garbage I had trimmed from the talk page. 259 18:10, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Comment: Sockpuppet claims are notoriously hard to prove, and to disprove, but for many not difficult to judge to a moral certainty, so claiming they are "patently false" is just bluster. 259 states he has acted on WP with "permission" of Church.  259 is also, at this writing, blocked for having forged a signed msg on Talk:Carleton College, by removing the line
 * Unless there is new evidence about Ambition's popularity, the reference to Ambition should not be re-added.
 * from another editor's contribution. (The audit trail for confirming this is a complicated one, primarily as a result of 259's stated efforts to reduce the visibility of most of what has been said about Church and Ambition on WP.  But i have thoroughly traced it, and certify that the charge of his altering a signed talk contribution is accurate.
 * It is irrelevant whether 259 IASPO Church, in light of
 * his agreement with Church's self-assessment as a genius, and
 * his peculiar confidence that a time will come for returning an article on Ambition to WP.
 * It would be naïve not to weigh this VfD in light of that, and of his determined, aggressive, and single-handed efforts to conceal the records of the Ambition and Ambition-at-Carleton discussions, and of the behavior of Mike Church and his anon and other new-user supporters in those discussions.
 * --Jerzy(t) 20:13, 2004 Dec 3 (UTC)
 * User:259 is not editing "with permission" of Church -- User:259 clearly is User:Mike Church. The writing styles are practically identical.  There is no doubt in my mind that the person editing under the name of User:259 is a hard-banned user returning to continue his efforts at promoting Ambition.  SWAdair | Talk  10:56, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I question (above, point 5 in Keep votes) whether he is "hard-banned". --Jerzy(t) 02:02, 2004 Dec 6 (UTC)
 * My mistake. You're right -- he wasn't hard-banned.  Replace with the word "disruptive."  SWAdair | Talk  04:12, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Mike has been blatantly dishonest, and has constantly attempted to muddy the waters by using sock puppets. However, he was never banned as far as I know.  Isomorphic 19:01, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Mike, you tried this sockpuppet crap on Votes for deletion/Minions and nobody was fooled. It didn't work then; what makes you think it's going to work now? —No-One Jones]] 00:45, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Procedural matters
This VfD was apparently initiated two calendar days ago. Besides the quite common failure to comply with point 1 of the instructions by using, the nominator committed four violations of normal practice, common sense, and courtesy to colleagues:
 * 1) Not automatically creating the subpage with its proper name, by not carrying out the instruction
 * Follow the "this page's entry" link to Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/PageName
 * 1) Then creating an improper title of the VfD subpage (by manually embedding another, non-existent page's name in it), with the consequence that  the nominated page's "this page's entry" link could never work.
 * 2) Not mentioning "VfD" in the summary of the edit that added the notice to the nominated article.
 * 3) Not only failing to limit the edit to adding the notice, but in fact combining that with an obviously controversial erasure of all content added by others, and of the archive link that the nominator might have plausibly argued could substitute for the text itself. (This deletion was done in the same edit with the VfD notice, in spite of
 * 4) * such removals on the same page having already produced reversion by two overwhelmingly more experienced WP colleagues, and
 * 5) * similar removals on Talk:Carleton College having repeatedly produced reversion by an overwhelmingly more experienced WP colleague, and
 * 6) * the failure for any reasonably experienced colleague to voice approval of such removals.)

Four foreseeable consequences ensued, several mediated by predictable reversion of the content deletions:
 * 1) A summary mentioning "VfD" in any way was the nominated page's most recent one for only 11 minutes prior to the completion of the edit that introduces this new section;
 * 2) The VfD notice appeared in the nominated page for only 36 minutes;
 * 3) During those 36 minutes, anyone attempting to link to the VfD discussion through the nominated page (i.e., anyone tracking it by automatic means) would reasonably conclude that no discussion was under way, and if they kept the window open & retried the link, that even 36 hours left that true and thus no action would ever occur;
 * 4) In the absence of corrective action, the sub-page title would continue misleading those with an interest as long as it existed.

I conclude that this VfD discussion is out of process, and i have taken the following corrective actions:
 * 1) Renamed this sub-page.
 * 2) Added a properly formatted VfD notice to the nominated article, with the summary
 * Added proper VfD notice, reflecting nomination by User:259 (edit of 16:43, 2004 Dec 2, but effective only now)
 * 1) Corrected the sub-page title in the transclusion call in the (main) VfD file
 * 2) Moved the line containing that correction from the December 2 section to the December 4 one.

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Album cover for Another Year by Leo Sayer

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Gerard Croiset

Gerard Croiset ( Boekbinder; March 10, 1909 – July 20, 1980) was a Dutch parapsychologist, psychometrist and psychic. He was often asked to help police detectives trace missing persons, though authenticated successes were few, and compared against the failures, his success rate was ruled no better than chance.

Background
Croiset was born in Laren, North Holland, in March 1909. He said he began to become aware of his gifts while a youth working for a watch repairer, and that on one occasion he held a ruler belonging to his employer and saw events which he related to his employer and which his employer confirmed were accurate.

Early work
After World War II, Croiset was sometimes consulted by Dutch police authorities for cases involving missing persons, or murder. On one occasion he was said to have examined the property of a murdered woman, and provided accurate information relating to her murder, and also gave the name of her murderer. The name matched a man who was being held in connection with the crime. He gained a reputation as a reliable consultant in the area of missing persons, and his fame extended beyond the Netherlands, as anecdotes about his abilities came to be discussed in other countries. He also gained a reputation as a psychic healer, and would allow people to visit him in his clinic for healing sessions.

Missing persons cases
In 1966, he was invited to Australia to aid in an investigation relating to the disappearance of the three Beaumont children, who had disappeared without trace from a beach in Adelaide, South Australia. Although police were skeptical, his expenses were paid by the wealthy property tycoon Con Polites, who was interested in the case, and publicity was such that Croiset's ideas were thought to be worthy of consideration. During his brief stay in Australia, he attracted widespread publicity but failed to find any trace of the missing children.

In January 1970, Croiset participated in the investigation of the kidnapping of Muriel McKay, the wife of publishing tycoon Rupert Murdoch's Deputy Chairman Alick McKay. Croiset was asked by a McKay family friend, Eric Cutler, to help locate her. Croiset said that she was in a white farmhouse in the north or north-east of London, and that nearby to her was another farm and an abandoned aerodrome. He claimed that if she was not found within 14 days she would be dead. Her body was never found. Brothers Arthur and Nazimoodeen Hosein were convicted of her murder—the first case in British history of a murder conviction without a body. In 1978, the Chief Constable of Devon and Cornwall Police hired Croiset to investigate the disappearance of Genette Tate, but he provided no information of value.

In 1972 he was consulted at various times to assist with the location of a missing aircraft presumed crashed in the Andes mountains. His indications proved to be vague and ultimately incorrect.

Croiset died in Utrecht in 1980, aged 71.

Evaluation
Croiset claimed he helped to solve the case of an assault of a girl in Wierden, the Netherlands. The Chief of Police of Wierden stated however, that the information by Croiset was inaccurate and his communications were not used in the case. He was investigated under controlled conditions by The Belgian Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Phenomena Reputed to be Paranormal and they did not find any evidence of psychic ability.

The skeptic James Lett has written:

"The truth is that the overwhelming majority of Croiset’s predictions were either vague and nonfalsifiable or simply wrong. Given the fact that Croiset made thousands of predictions during his lifetime, it is hardly surprising that he enjoyed one or two chance “hits”."

The Dutch parapsychologist Wilhelm Tenhaeff has written Croiset had genuine psychic powers due to the information he had given in police cases. However it was discovered that much of Tenhaeff's data was fraudulent.

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Another Year (Leo Sayer album)

Another Year is the third album by English singer-songwriter Leo Sayer, which was released in 1975.

Track listing
All songs written by Leo Sayer and Frank Farrell.

Side one

 * 1) "Bedsitterland" – 4:07
 * 2) "Unlucky in Love" – 3:27
 * 3) "The Last Gig of Johnny B Goode" – 3:49
 * 4) "On the Old Dirt Road" – 4:01
 * 5) "I Will Not Stop Fighting" – 5:00

Side two

 * 1) "Moonlighting" – 4:13
 * 2) "The Streets of Your Town" – 3:02
 * 3) "The Kid's Grown Up" – 2:52
 * 4) "Only Dreaming" – 5:15
 * 5) "Another Year" – 3:13

Personnel
Musicians
 * Leo Sayer – guitar, harmonica, vocals
 * Russ Ballard – piano, organ, marimba
 * Frank Farrell – piano, accordion
 * Leon Russell – slide guitar, vocals
 * Michael Giles – drums
 * David Katz Orchestra – violin, orchestra
 * Pip Williams – orchestration
 * Paul Keogh – guitar
 * Dave Markee – bass guitar
 * Nick Newell – flute
 * Terry Starr – trumpet
 * Johnny Van Derek – violin

Technical
 * Louis Austin, Paul "Chas" Watkins – engineer
 * Terry O'Neill – photography

Production
 * Record producer: Russ Ballard, Adam Faith

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Robert David Hall

Robert David Hall is an American actor, best known for his role as coroner Dr. Albert Robbins, M.D. on the television show CSI: Crime Scene Investigation.

Early life
Hall attended Tustin High School in California and went on to graduate from UCLA in 1971 with a degree in English literature. Hall is a former professional musician and accomplished guitarist, and is also proficient on piano, percussion and mandolin. For several years he was a high-profile radio DJ in Los Angeles. His musical talent has been alluded to in CSI: Crime Scene Investigation several times, as his character Dr. Al Robbins would sometimes sing while performing the autopsy or with Gil Grissom when the latter came to the morgue to collect evidence. He has also done extensive voice work on television commercials and cartoons.

In 1978, Hall was critically injured after being involved in a car crash. An 18-wheeler truck struck and crushed his car. The crash also caused the gasoline tank of the car to explode, causing burns over 65% of his body. He almost died in the crash; both of his legs were amputated afterwards. Hall now comfortably uses prosthetic limbs, allowing for personal mobility. Several of his characters, including his CSI character, have openly shared this disability. Hall (as Dr. Robbins) mentioned once that he has prosthetic legs, but never alluded to the accident in reality. He is a prominent advocate for disabled Americans.

Life and career
In addition to starring on CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, Hall has appeared in such films as Starship Troopers and The Negotiator and has made guest appearances in a number of TV programs including The West Wing and L.A. Law. He also furnishes the narration on CourtTV's documentary series North Mission Road. Currently, Hall is working on the short thriller "The Roymann Closure in the Netherlands", written by writer/director David Grifhorst and executive producer Jop Douma.

Hall was married to Susan Petroni from 1969 until their divorce in 1974, and Connie Cole from 1979 until their divorce in 1987. His son, Andrew, was born of his second marriage. Hall's third and current marriage is to Judy Sterns in 1999.

Discography

 * 2010: Things they don't teach you in school, CD album:
 * Kick It To The Side Of The Road (Robert David Hall)
 * Wondering Where You Are (Robert David Hall)
 * Things They Don't Teach You In School (Robert David Hall)
 * It Just Is (Robert David Hall)
 * (Keep On) Pushin' It Through (Chris Wall/Robert David Hall)
 * One Door Closes (Robert David Hall/Chris Wall)
 * Wishes (Robert David Hall)
 * For Judy (Robert David Hall)
 * I Feel Like Hank Williams Tonight (Chris Wall)
 * Sittin' On Top Of The World (Lonnie Carter/Walter Jacobs)
 * Ten O'Clock Train (Robert David Hall)
 * Just Because (Bob Shelton, Joe Shelton, Sid Robin)

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User talk:Earl Andrew/Archives 1

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Well well well, if it isn't the President of Amerada hismelf. Hello there. Kuralyov

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Hi. You might want to look at the standard layout for biographies if you are going to do loads. I've put Rob Anders in the standard format but its obviously easier if you do it yourself as you are writing them ;) Secretlondon 21:05, Nov 30, 2003 (UTC) It's here: Manual of Style (biographies). Hope this helps. Secretlondon 21:11, Nov 30, 2003 (UTC)

Thank you! sorry, I'm new at this :-p Actually, I noticed you had done this before I read this, and in any new articles, I used your format.

Hi! I notice you're adding some more Ontario cities, as I just came across the Uxbridge article. I haven't been there for awhile, but am I remembering correctly that it is a twin city with some place in Germany? I seem to recall that it is on their "welcome" sign. That might be something else to add to the article. (Of course, I don't know if you know anything about Uxbridge either, but I thought I'd ask :)) Adam Bishop 23:54, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)

No, I don't know much about Uxbridge, sorry. Thanks for letting me know though. Perhaps someone who knows more about Uxbridge will update that! Thanks- Earl Andrew 00:31, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)

--- Hello, you left a message on my page, I wanted to say that we DO have maps of all the ridings!! but only back to 1979 :( http://atlas.gc.ca/site/english/index.html

oooh! and it has a map from 1867 too. You know, in my search for maps, I did end up at that site, but I didn't find it then, and I found it now. Maybe they'll have some more in the future? Earl Andrew 01:36, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Sneaky incognito greetings from a fellow Ontroads-geek! Bearcat 05:42, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I dont think they will ever get more maps, but if enough people beg, and reque$t it, ya never know also, I have bookmarks for every political party in Canada, but most are unactive. for example, the Confederation of Regions Party, which will run 1 candidate if they are lucky. I will edit in links to minor parties here. I do have general election results going back to 1867! so if you need them, contact me via AIM, under the name pellaken, and I will send you the excell file I have them in. Pellaken 11:31, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Do you have popular vote results? PS I have added you to my AIM list. User:Earl Andrew 20:44, 10 Deec 2003 (UTC)

Re Dominica: What is your definition of "city"? Roseau only has 15,000 people, so the others must be "towns" at best, and probably "villages" in most cases.

Incidentally, does your new PM pronounce his name as a French name or an English name? Adam 09:27, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Believe it or not, it's the english way. For Dominca's "cities" no, they're not really cities. I just wanted to include Dominca's capitals (district capitals) and any places larger than the smallest capital. -User: Earl Andrew December 21, 2003 at 19:57 UTC

tip
You can sign your posts using or ~. --Jiang 22:15, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)

test Earl Andrew Earl Andrew 02:43, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I edited the article "My Family (television)." You should review it to make sure I didn't add any falseness.

—Vespristiano 08:43, 2003 Dec 24 (UTC)

The article needs some work, I rekon Earl Andrew 08:51, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Why would you characterize a simple one-character typographical error as vandalism? RickK 08:32, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I thought it was funny! Didn't you? Earl Andrew 22:44, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Image:442.jpg is not a descriptive title. In the future, please use descriptive image titles as per the Image use policy. TMC1221 22:18, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)

I make Don Boudria better with wikipedia image and table syntax, spread the knowledge. look how cleaner it is! :-) Hfastedge

Hiya. I'm the fellow behind the List of Ontario Census Divisions/List of Ontario Municipal Divisions debacle.

I must say, I don't believe these ARE census divisions. For example, the Region of Waterloo does not, I believe, correspond to the Kitchener Metropolitan Census Region. What the list is, is of the top-level municipalities in Ontario. Some are cities (Toronto, Ottawa) with one level of government; some are counties or regions (Waterloo, Wellington) with other cities and townships below them.

I'm not sure what the best name is, but I think 'census division' is misleading.

Radagast 23:26, Feb 23, 2004 (UTC)

 * I apologize, I did have the wrong meaning of 'census division' in mind. StatsCan does indeed use these as their divisions. That said, however, it still seems to me to be misleading to use this as the article title; it's not StatsCan who defined these boundaries, it's the Ontario government and the municipalities. It is a very complex stew, as you have mega-cities, counties, and regions; but these are all themselves municipalities, and that seems to me the best term.

 * I've edited the article's intro text, see what you think. I'd propose a title like List of Ontario top-level municipalities or List of Ontario counties, regions and districts or something similar.

 * Let me know. Radagast 23:28, Feb 24, 2004 (UTC)

Hello, I noticed you made a page about NHL statistical leaders. It's a great idea. A small suggestion: It would be good to mention on the page that the stats are up to a certain date (up to end of 2003/2004 regular season, I guess). For active players, stats change daily and the page might not get updated so often. Andris 20:27, Apr 9, 2004 (UTC)

 * good idea, thank you! Earl Andrew 20:35, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hey Earl,

Thanks for your edits on List of Ontario counties. I think I'm going to put the information in tabular format to make it a little easier to read.

I have some questions about some of your edits though. Viz.:

 * Should we not list the unified counties as, for instance, Prescott and Russell Unified Counties, Ontario or Prescott and Russell Counties, Ontario to denote their unified status? Prescott and Russell County, Ontario makes it seem as though it is one single county, when it actually is not.

 * I don't really understand why you changed Prince Edward County, Ontario to Prince Edward, Ontario. It's a county.  Prince Edward, Ontario doesn't exist.  See.

 * The list I obtained from specify that Norfolk and Haldimand Counties are actually considered to be regions municipally, not counties (despite the name).

Darkcore 00:35, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I didn't know that Prince Edward County was a CS, but considering the governmental structure of county is more that of a county than a city/town, I think it should remain at Prince Edward County, Ontario with Prince Edward, Ontario as a redirect. In the article, it can be specified that the county is considered a census subdivision, but I don't think we should be naming articles things that don't actually exist (I lived near to PEC and no one EVER called it Prince Edward, Ontario). Besides, the definition of a census subdivision is not "city" or "town" -- it is defined as an area that, for statistical purposes, has been treated as a municipality, which is probably why it is a CS and not a CD.

I'd rather not use StatsCan definitions of what a city/town/county/region are, because they're not always sensical, and really are only useful for statistical reporting purposes. Norfolk County is not a city because StatsCan defines it as such, but it is a county because it meets the criteria for the generally accepted definition of what a county is.

That being said, I like the historical bits that you put on my talk. Is it really necessary to have individual articles about defunct townships though? I don't know how much information you'd be able to find (at least online), and we'd probably just be creating a bunch of relatively useless stubs. (Though, I suppose it could have genealogical applications...) Darkcore 19:57, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

There is something to be said for consistency, of course, but I actually talked to a professor of mine who worked for StatsCan who essentially agreed that their definitions of what a city, county, etc., are do not necessarily coincide with general definitions or what, even, the municipalities call themselves. As someone who works for a municipality, I can say that what a municipality calls themselves is the generally-known definition of what it is. Also, StatsCan creates their own definitions to make the aggregation of data easier and more credible. Just because StatsCan calls Norfolk County a city doesn't mean that it really fits the generally accepted definition of what a city is. I'm pretty sure that the residents of that county do not refer to it as Norfolk, Ontario.

If I remember correctly, Wikipedia policy is to use the most well-known name of a place/thing over keeping things consistent. (For example, the official name of Cal Poly is California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo, but you'll see that the article is actually at Cal Poly because that is the most well-known name of the university. However, consistency rules would force the article to be at the latter name.)  It just doesn't make sense to place an article at a name that no one uses. Like I said, no one ever uses Prince Edward, Ontario to refer to Prince Edward County. Not even the government of Prince Edward County. It just doesn't happen.

Consistency is, of course, important. But not at the sake of using a name for an article that doesn't even exist.

As for the historical articles, have at it -- though, I've never been a big fan of the automatically generated American community articles myself. Darkcore 07:56, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I have to agree with you, townships and the like should remain as Whatever, Ontario and not Whatever Township, Ontario or Township of Whatever, Ontario. Obviously for cities and towns, we should keep them in Whatever, Ontario format, mainly because that is the generally accepted address format.  Darkcore 19:48, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

You've done some good work on the Kylie Minogue page. Would you consider supporting its application to become a featured article? -> Featured_article_candidates. 131.111.250.45 14:39, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Earl, great job getting some good Ottawa content on to this site. I'm going to be fleshing out the page for Glebe Collegiate. --Joshuapaquin 22:14, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC) (Glebe)

adminship
A consensus has been reached by your peers that you should be an admin. I have made it so. Please review Administrators' reading list and keep up the great work. Sincerely, Kingturtle 07:35, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * Congratulations, Earl Andrew! Cribcage 12:24, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)

NHL and Ottawa
Just a quick note to say cheers for answering my questions about the structure of the NHL! BTW, judging from the particular selection of entries you've added about Ottawa, I'd guess we live within about a mile of each other (I'm at 1500 block on Riverside). It's a small world sometimes! Best wishes, Cambyses 03:19, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in replying, but I've only just discovered your reply. (I was away for a while and it must have dropped off the bottom of my watchlist!) Anyhow, I do indeed live in one of the apartment blocks on Old Riverside (third from the right, from your perspective). I can see Tim Hortons from my window as I type, and could probably see your house in winter, before the trees turned the view from townscape to forest! I don't presently have Instant Messanger, but I keep meaning to ask my IT support staff (aka wife with CS degree :-) to install it. Will do so later, and then maybe we can talk. I wonder how many Wikipedians there ARE in Ottawa? I think we must have about the highest density of any city in the world! Maybe there is scope for some kind of user group with occasional coffee meetings or something? I know of a Tim Hortons..... ;-) Best wishes, Cambyses 17:31, 21 May 2004 (UTC)

Geography in the template
After correcting many of them I just realized it would be wiser for me just tell you that the template you have been using for electoral districts has a typo in one of the section headings: Georgraphy. AlainV 02:57, 2004 May 2 (UTC)

oops! will fix! Earl Andrew 03:00, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

Electoral district names
Hi Earl! Just one technical point: the names of your Canadian electoral district articles contain the Windows-1252 em-dash character with code hex 97: this is not in the ISO 8859-1 character set that the English Wikipedia currently uses. The result can be random breakage in the Wikipedia software and non-Windows browsers. I've moved some of these articles to titles with normal ASCII "-" in: could you fix the rest, please? -- The Anome 20:47, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm not Earl, but there's a problem with this: the electoral district names contain both hyphens and mdashes, and it's important to preserve the distinction. Hex 97 may not be standard, but it works under both Internet Explorer and Linux Mozilla.

 * If we go ahead and rename these, the mdashes should be converted to --, not to single hyphen.

 * -- P.T. Aufrette 18:42, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

Electoral area commentary text
Good job on this, but I find  is too small (on Internet Explorer in any case). Any reason this couldn't be changed to ? -- P.T. Aufrette 18:44, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

Deleting your articles
Are you aware that there is a discussion about whether your articles on Ottawa streets should be deleted? I am strongly opposed, but a number of others seem not to like them. The discussion is at VfD Ottawa Streets - SimonP 01:15, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Earl Andrew 01:31, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Re: 1915 electoral district
According to It was the recreation of the fourth PEI district that was cut in 1914. The set up with only three PEI ridings seems never to have been used in an election, however, and perhaps the 1915 change should only be a footnote on another list. - SimonP 19:08, Jun 12, 2004 (UTC)

Also have you seen my question at Talk:List of Canadian federal electoral districts? What do you think - SimonP 19:08, Jun 12, 2004 (UTC)

Indian reserve
Hi, Earl – I've moved the Canadian content from Indian reservation to Indian reserve, so if you add any more articles about reserves, as I hope you will, you can link to the Canadian article instead of Reserve. TronTonian 21:50, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Quebec commnities
Regarding these articles, I have thrown a good deal of them into Category:Quebec and they came by Newpages. I trust you can sort them out from there. Burgundavia 06:10, Jun 18, 2004 (UTC)

I don't get involved in these category listings, perhaps maybe when they become more established I will. Earl Andrew 07:25, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

National Assembly of Quebec diagram.
Hello. Thank you very much for the on the page in honor of the National Assembly of Quebec. Do you think it would be in any way possible to make one that would be faithful to the actual position of the members of parliament in the Salon Bleu? Please refer to this link to verify the official positions (light yellow is for the liberal ministers; medium yellow is for the liberal MP's; green is for the ADQ; orange is for the PQ opposition & the black one is for the extra seat since there is 125 seats in Quebec, an uneven number, and I'm not sure if there actually is a desk but there must be). Thanks. ;) - Liberlogos 05:14, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Kylie Minogue
Hello Earl

thanks for supporting my nomination of the Kylie article, third time was not the charm, more like the kiss of death! But OK, that's fine. I've added some comments on what I think might be needed to the Talk:Kylie Minogue page. If you get a chance to look at it, I'd appreciate your opinion. Rossrs 10:21, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

How did you make those maps?
Hey Earl Andrew,

I've seen your very impressive maps for the provinces of Canada and I'm now seriously considering making maps just like those for every province of China, but every time I think of the job I get a serious headache. How did you even start?! Did you get a map from online and trace it in Photoshop?

Thanks in advance! -- ran 13:03, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your reply on my talk page! Now...... to find some good outline maps..... -- ran 02:32, Aug 1, 2004 (UTC)

Images
Hi, I saw you had uploaded Image:Abitibi-temiscamingue.PNG, and just wanted to remind you to please add information as to the source of the images, if you created them (and the tools you used), and the licence they're available under. Best wishes, [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 17:28, 2004 Aug 12 (UTC)
 * Done Earl Andrew 18:27, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Olympics
Where are you getting the information for those rowing pages? I'll give you a hand if you want. :) Ambi 08:51, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

medal tables
Hi Andrew,

I see that you are also using the medal tables ranking by number of medals. I have mentioned my thoughts on this at Talk:2004 Summer Olympics medal count. In nearly all other cases wiki goes by set international standards and as both the IOC and IAAF use the number of gold medals as their ranking why on earth are we doing different. Nearly all the wiki standards use internationally used standards and I would presume the IOC and IAAF standards would be classed as international. All of the other Olympic medal tables go by this guide so we would need to amend them all if this (silly) ranking system that we are using continues. As you are one of the main contributers to the olympic pages I thought I would try and bring you onto my point of view.Scraggy4 20:03, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the reply Andrew, I did notice on the athletics for example that space had been made for upto eigth place. I don't think that this will harm the medal tables reverting to the standard usage as these extra places would not be taken into consideration in the ranking normally. I think that the best idea would be to revert to IOC standards at the end of today when all results have been completed and checked, then possibly create a separate page(linked from the main medal table) rating all countries by the top eight finishes as I agree this would make interesting details. I presume you will rank upto eigth place using the system that the IAAF use in the World and continental cups ie; 8 points for 1st down to 1 point for eigth. I had already decided, as there was lack of suggestions as to why the currebt system is as is, to revert all the tables at the end of the today. If you feel like helping I am more than willing to split the sports up between us for speed, but I'll probably be awake most of the night to do it, as I have broken my ankle and am finding it hard to sleep at the moment.Scraggy4 21:43, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I think that the standard ones should look like Cycling at the 2004 Summer Olympics and then either create one page for each sport showing the alternative as you did on the Shooting at the 2004 Summer Olympics before somebody changed it, or one overall page in that style linked from the 2004 Summer Olympics page.Scraggy4 22:06, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I've copied our discussions onto the Talk:2004 Summer Olympics medal count I wiil add a note on their so that we can have a vote on the style to use.Scraggy4 22:15, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

idea for expanded tables
Hi Andrew, as a possible solution for your expanded tables, if you still want them, I think it will probably be easier if you add them onto your user page as you go along and then add them to the relevant pages once the games or a particular sport at the games has finished. Scraggy4 01:09, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I think I know what happened
Hey Andrew. I amended a paragraph on Current sports events then noticed that Antionio had reverted for some reason. So I went back to the page and copy/pasted my amendment to the then current page. I didn't realise that Antonio had actually reverted, so that's how the gold medal winners unintentionally disappeared. They weren't there when I edited. No probs. All fixed now. Cheers Moriori 03:39, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC)

Hockey project
Considering your apparently interest in ice hockey, I'd like to invite you to join the WikiProject Ice Hockey. The only thing done so far is the player pages format. Kevin Rector 16:24, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

2004 World Cup of Hockey
Good work on the 2004 World Cup of Hockey page. I'm guess you're happy about what just happened. Kevin Rector 01:41, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * hahaha, thanks. Sorry about that, but these things happen :) Earl Andrew 01:42, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

World Cup of Hockey rosters
Thanks for the heads up on that, and sorry about that. I'm assuming you fixed my blunder. Go USA. What really stinks, is this is probably the only hockey we're going to get for a while. Kevin Rector 13:47, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)

Restoule
Hi. I just ran across your Restoule, ON entry. Since I live there I thought I'd make a few minor additions. Let me know if this is causing a problem.

computerfella Sept. 3, 2004 16:27

 * What part of restoule are you in? I dont live there, but I have a cottage there on Lake Commanda. Earl Andrew 20:44, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Ottawa photos
I'm sorry to hear that you cannot see the pictures. Not being very expert in the technicalities of digitial images, I don't really know what to suggest. As far as I know there is no difference between these pics and any others, they come from a canon digital camera, most of them have been processed in one way or other by photoshop on Mac OS X - so there may be some sort of compatability issue. As to why they would screw up your browser, I'm again somewhat baffled.. I've tried viewing them on various types of computer, and so far have not experienced the same effect. You may wish to consult some sort of technical guide.

Peregrine981 19:42, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)

Maps
Hi, I am trying to tag images according to Image copyright tags. Please could you let me know which licence the maps at User:Earl Andrew/maps were uploaded under? Thanks. Angela. 22:14, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for letting me know. I'll assume they are GFDL like the rest of Wikipedia, though if you want to dual licence them or put them in the public domain, you can change the tags. Angela. 22:29, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)

Alberta general election, 2004
Nice work you're doing on the election. One comment though: the colour you're using for the is hard for us old folks to read - the hyperlink blue text is pretty much the same colour. I've switched the 1867-1997 federal election pages over to so that they are easier to read. Any chance I can convince you to do the same for Alberta? Kevintoronto 20:44, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Molto grazie, Earl. Kevintoronto 01:23, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

1917 Canadian Election
Thanks for fixing the links. Kevintoronto 19:42, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Ottawa Rapid Transit
Thanks for your attention to this article during the merge/move. As a non-Ottawan I certainly can't be guaranteed to get all of it right!

I do have to wonder on the wiki'd station names - is there enough content out there to give every one an article? If you're taking this on, full power to you, but it may eventually end up for the best to consolidate the texts. We'll see.

Thanks again! Radagast 12:35, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, if you're doing photos on each one then individual articles should work. I'll leave that in your hands, as I said.

I just wish the Toronto stations could get as much! I've gone with line-by-line articles over there, with a single photo to rely on...

Radagast 19:25, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)

Your uploaded image
Thanks for uploading Image:Scottbrison.jpg. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use if you release it under the GFDL, or  if you claim fair use, etc.) Thanks so much,    – Quadell (talk) (help)   02:35, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of that! I also came across Image:Sdgpc.PNG, Image:Sdlpc.PNG, Image:Sdndp.PNG, and Image:Sdcpc.PNG. Did you make these yourself? Could you be so kind as to tag these images as well? Thanks again,   – Quadell (talk) (help)   01:00, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)

Electoral districts
Good work on creating and expanding the articles on federal ridings. However I don’t think much of the coloured bars for the lists of MPs. The red writing of most of the links is hard to read against both the red and orange backgrounds, while the live links are hard to read against the blue of the Tories. Personally I think that a just naming the party is sufficient and less work. - SimonP 06:55, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)

More municipals
I've just put together a List of Ontario separated municipalities; yet another way of looking at the patchwork that is Ontario municipal heirarchy. Thought I'd be sure you took a look at it. Radagast 12:54, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)

Possible problem with riding names
Earl: I notice that you've made some adjustments to the 2003 Ontario election site. The reason why I decided to use the "Ontario district" naming system is to avoid confusion with the federal ridings of the same name. As it currently stands, I believe that most (if not all) of the links go to the federal sites -- for that reason, I'll probably revert the page shortly. CJCurrie 17:03, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

As you've probably noticed by now, I've put the question up for discussion on the 2003 Ontario election talk page. I've looked over the Ottawa Centre & Ottawa South pages (quite impressive), and I can understand that there is a certain logic to having the federal & provincial information on a single page ... as against which, there's a strong possibility that the fed/prov riding boundaries will diverge again at some point in the future -- and, as I've mentioned elsewhere, the parliamentary representations don't match up *now*. I think it might make more sense to have the federal & provincial riding histories on separate pages (the Legislative Assembly of Ontario links can easily be changed), though I'm also willing to defer to the general consensus on the matter. CJCurrie 21:28, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Another image question
Hey, thanks for taking care of those images. I've got another one for ya. The guy with the goofy smile: Image:Arnoldwayneeaster.jpg. Thanks! – Quadell (talk) (help)  00:55, Oct 15, 2004 (UTC)

Historic counties of Ontario
Actually, Lennox and Addington were separate counties at one time. Of course, you have to reach back to the 1700s, but they were established as separate counties and then merged in 1800. Oh, and by the way, I've wiki'd all the counties on Historic counties of Ontario, added and tracked down the three mystery counties (Bothwell, Cardwell and Monck), stubbed some of them, and created a category for them. Bearcat 08:15, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Deleting your articles
They are trying to delete some of your articles on Ottawa high schools again. Since I am the one that is making the final call on most deletions these days it is unlikely that they will get deleted, but your input in the VfD debates would still be appreciated. - SimonP

Canawikipedian coffeeklatsch
Just discovered there's a Canadian wikipedians' notice board. Spread the word. Bearcat 03:04, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Yo Earl...just for the record, if you tackle the MPs list, don't do a Roger Cuzner. "Roger" was a misspelling. He does already have an article at the correct spelling, Rodger Cuzner. Just letting ya know. Bearcat 02:42, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Don Bell
From the History of North Vancouver, British Columbia (cur) (last) 20:12, 29 Sep 2004 Earl Andrew m (mayor is for the city, not district anyways) (cur) (last) 04:14, 29 Sep 2004 216.232.202.156 (Don Bell no longer mayor of North Vancouver)

FYI - Actually Don was the Mayor of the District not the City. (Barbara Sharp has been the Mayor of the City for as long as I have lived here) The district will be electing a new mayor on November 6 2004 to replace Don Bell --Webgeer 22:08, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Image:Can1988-2.PNG
I saw the interesting graphic you uploaded. Is this your creation? If so, could you add a license to it (GFDL, public domain, etc.)? It's a great graphic and we need the copyright infromation. Regards, [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 20:28, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)
 * Ditto for Image:Cdnparliament1988.PNG]. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 20:31, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)

Saskatchewan elections
Once again I am in your debt for correcting my sloppy editing. Thanks for fixing up all of those tables. Regards, Kevintoronto 21:43, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Hey, no problem :) Earl Andrew 17:41, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Template:Canleg
I think it is a must to include northern Canadian territorial capital city councils. We can't just ignore them because they are way up there. ;) SD6-Agent 09:09, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Did you know has been updated
And an article you created recently has made the line up and is now featured on the main page. Enjoy! -- [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 09:31, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

Regional Districts in BC
Hi Earl,

I have noticed that you have done a lot of work on Regional Districts in BC. I know it is well meaning. As you are outside of BC, I assume you probably don't actually know many of the details of the governance structure of municipal/provincial/RD governments. It is not really the same as Counties (as I understand them) in Ontario. Regional districts have very little/virtually none actually legislative power. They generally just serve as a convenient way body for municipal governments to work together and in some cases provide certain services to people outside of municipalities.

Most citizens have very little interaction with their regional district government. Probably many people do not even know what regional district they are in. Terms like "Regional District Seat" are not used.

Personally I think the effort should really be focussed on improving the municipal entries rather than working on the Regional District enteries. --Webgeer 07:51, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Image:Gerrybyrne.jpg
Hi, it's me again, with another image question. Image:Gerrybyrne.jpg   – Quadell (talk) (help)   05:32, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)

Alberta election
Hey there, I am working on updating Alberta too and as I feared we're starting to edit on top of each other (see my note over on the talk page) we should try to coordinate our efforts so we don't over lap. If you have MSN, you can add me at gotthejuice@hotmail.com or just post something on my talk page if you want to divide up the work :) -- Jord 04:12 23 Nov 04 (UTC)

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started the Free the Rambot Articles Project which has the goals of getting users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to... using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) version 1.0 and 2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to the GFDL (which every contribution made to Wikipedia is licensed under), but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles (See the Multi-licensing Guide for more information). Since you are among the top 1000 most active Wikipedians, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles.
 * 1) ...all U.S. state, county, and city articles...
 * 2) ...all articles...

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the   template (or    for public domain) into their user page, but there are other templates for other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace   with   . If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know at my talk page what you think. -- Ram-Man 20:47, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

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Positioning etc.

 * Please don't add this on top of language pages, that's needless spam. Rather, it should be added to the external links section. --Joy [shallot]   16:48, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Hullo! Coming to the placement of the template, please don't go pushing the template to the bottom on each language article, just 'cos few of us here have signed it to be so. It might be sorta 'spam' for few languages... but it serves a great purpose for others being on the top. Just go by the context. And don't be too generic.--H P Nadig 02:20, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I fail to see why it would ever need to be on top. When someone goes to look at a page describing a language in the English Wikipedia, they expect to see a description of it, in English. This link will provide them with an example how the language looks in writing, but it will not help them understand much about it (unless they have a universal translator embedded in their frontal lobe, which is, well, unlikely :). The English-language content on the page is primary, this kind of a link should follow after it. --Joy [shallot]   09:51, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * ok, the above comment is a cut down and edited version of my comment that was below and was pasted here. (courtesy: Circeus). So, you know what to infer. Now, let me put some light on why the interwiki helps more being on top or atleast *near-top*. A language which has a wikipedia of its own would sound more significant - all the time, and the first questions one would probably get about the language like "whats the script?, how does it look?, is it a significant one? etc.." would be answered instantly on visiting the language wikipedia.

 * The English article about the language is a substub if it doesn't explain the script, show a single example, or note anything about the language's significance. I don't think that the focus needs to be on redirecting people elsewhere in such cases - instead we should fix the woefully inadequate English article.
 * BTW, the reader doesn't necessarily become enlightened about the script from reading the language Wikipedia - for example if I, your typical Latin-only reader, went instantly over to any number of Wikipedias written in non-Latin scripts after visiting their description here, I would not attain any knowledge other than "it's some sort of script that is incomprehensible to me". Whereas, if I were to continue reading the English article and examined the list of characters, and/or the explanation of word formation in this language, I would actually get a grasp of what that language is like.
 * So, like I said, this link should exist, but it can not and should not replace or take precedence over a decent article in this Wikipedia. --Joy [shallot]

 * And it probably is a step ahead in getting familiarised with the language than just reading the description. I think a lot of wikipedians here who came to the language wikipedias that way agree to this one. and some of my fellow wikipedians like User:Nickshanks were even interested in learning kannada. ask him from where he got to it? from the kannada page!. It need not be a "universal translator embedded in their frontal lobe", but just the aspiration and curiosity for the new language! point 2. The people who're already familiar with the language might not reach until the last line (all of us don't have the same time to go through the complete article all the time, do we?), even with greater curiosity. If kept within easy - sightable range, there are more chances of them landing on the language wikipedia for the language they know, and start contributing, on knowing about it. Since a large number of them do come via english wikipedia, and the traffic that en wikipedia gets, this is justified, too.

 * I suppose the second point is valid, although I can't help but doubt the ability and/or interest of people to usefully contribute to encyclopedia articles if they can't even be bothered to skim over them. --Joy [shallot]

 * And overall, you're not *spamming*. (This is no *ad* or *external link*. open your eyes, its another mediawiki project!) Instead, you're helping mediawiki projects grow by pushing them strongly! no bad ideals here! after all, it gets visitors more involved. It serves a very good purpose. Correct me if I'm wrong. cheers, --H P Nadig 21:31, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Actually, when I was using the term "spam" WRT these links at the top, I meant it in the generic meaning of "unsolicited messages aimed at self-promotion". It wasn't meant to be overly disparaging, but still negative enough. --Joy [shallot]

 * Why do we need a blanket policy on whether it should be at the top or the bottom? It is certainly not spam - wikipedias in all languages serve the same purpose, and contributors in one language are not "self-promoting" - they have no personal motives, obviously. Also, if it would be spam at the top, it would be spam at the bottom too. Conversely, since you accept that it is not spam at the bottom, it is not spam at the top either. It achieves the same purpose wherever it is.

 * Personally, I don't think the issue is big enough to have a "policy" on it. I can see why it would help some languages if it were to be at the top. This is true for languages which have just started their own wikipedias, which means that not many people who speak the language are aware that there is a wiki in that language yet (that situation is not as uncommon as it sounds, there are a lot of wikis with less than 100 articles, and I know from experience that people are not always aware that they have a wiki in their language). A prominent notice at the top will help them get contributors, and I don't see why we should stop it...

 * As I said, instead of having a blanket policy, we can leave it open. It is really not that big of an issue to insist that it should be at the bottom. --ashwatha 20:47, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Bigger wikis are almost all mentionned on the main page. In the case of 80% of small wikis, the articles are alrerady short enough that it is hard to miss the Interwiki template, especially with the various articles that are 2 paragraphs stubs. Having extended the use of Interwiki to all languages listed at Metawiki, I should know what I'm talking about. I think the main idea here is to decide on having a consistent location for in longer articles, especially considering that in many cases, it causes the  template to be disgracefully moved toward the middle of the page (though that would rather tend to indicate introductory paragraphs are too short).--Circeus 21:07, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

Negative co-occurences
The template still need som reworking. As is, it shows an overwhelming tendency to push existing Language templates left, causing the area available for text to be dramatically reduced. Can be circumvented by placing the first section between the templates. Or at the bottom. I am not sure what was the final consensus on it.--Circeus 07:22, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)

 * This template should be placed at the bottom, under external links--Jiang 08:21, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Great, I've just spent 2 hours, moving them from bottom to top (But then I'd've spent the same amount moving them from top to bottom XD). Oh well, I'll put themm back at the bottom later. It's 4:00 in the morning here. I need sleep. --Circeus 09:52, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)

 * Done, all the pages have had it moved to the External Link section, removing any previous link to the wiki in the process. Exception is Avar language, lacking an appropriate location to move the template to -_-;; --Circeus 04:52, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)

Nice work, Jiang and Circeus. —Michael Z. 05:08, 2005 Jan 10 (UTC)

 * Just finished adding the template to all pages on the MetaWiki list. Need sleep now -_- --Circeus 07:08, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)

Template:InterWiki
This is just needless spam. Maybe it can sit in talk pages, but as it is used now as an article header, it is highly inappropriate. Even on talk pages, I dont see much relevance. See avoid self-references. --Jiang 17:21, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Most languages either already had or could have a link to xy.wp.o in their external links section, and this template would facilitate keeping a list of all of those (using the category). The only problem, IMHO, is that the author intended for it to be placed at the top of each article, which is definitely spam. I think that we should simply conclude that the notices should be moved off of the tops of pages and keep the template, near the bottom. --Joy [shallot]   21:20, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Concur. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:06, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)
 * Concur. Maybe the Interwiki box/section could be emphasized instead? --Circeus 16:27, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * We would need to reformat it into the wikiquote/wiktionary/wikicommons template style. --Jiang
 * Keep if reformatted as per Joy's and Jiang's proposition. -- Naive cynic 08:51, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, yes it should be reworded and reformatted. It should also not be placed at the top of each article. (I know I'm guilty of this but will change my ways.) Wikiacc 16:22, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. As an administrator of a minor language wikipedia, I think this tag is useful in encouraging people interested in a language to contribute to, or at least visit, wikis that are often overlooked. QuartierLatin1968 01:27, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Please keep self references on talk pages. Most people reading the article will be illiterate in the language discussed. The message will be useless for them. They can visit but it will serve them no good. If people know a language, then they will have better places to look (ie the main page) than the language article itself. avoid self-references. --Jiang
 * delete. we don't need a template for everything. if there is a WP in the language treated in the article, place a link under 'external links'. dab (ᛏ) 09:44, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm in the same position as QuartierLatin1968, but I have to agree with much of what the others have said. Put something explanatory in the External links, or a template near the bottom, because anyone interested enough in the article to be able to do anything useful for the minor WP is likely to read the whole article. Another obvious permissible addition to the "Xy language" article is a standard interwiki link starting with "Robin Patterson 10:58, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't usually participate in these kinds of discussions, but I happen to find this template in particular very useful. Every time I have to research a language, I find it helpful to visit that wiki. I often needto research and get a feel for various languages in my field. I happened to come across this "for deletion" advisory while researching Latin. I did go to that wiki and was glad it existed (I speak several languages so I can understand parts of these wikis). I also think it gives good exposure to smaller wikis. I would think that most ... speakers don't know they have a wiki, judging by the number of articles. QuartieLatin (are you from Montreal too?) and Robin Patterson are obviously literate in the languages discussed. Also, I am assuming that most of you rarely read the entries on language pages. I would ask, as someone who does, and finds this feature very useful, that we keep it.
 * Delete (It appears rather Wikipedicentric to me. Being capable to read and/or speak a set of European languages, I think this could equally well be accomplished by a link under a suitable heading, as for instance External links or See also.) Ruhrjung 21:43, 2004 Dec 27 (UTC)
 * Keep but change to style (and placement) of wikiquote/etc. —Tkinias 22:33, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep but reformat to the sister project box style and placement. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs, blog) 22:57, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep but reformat It's good to promote other language wikis.  This is really meta-wiki content.  Is it possible to extend the "in other languages" sidebar box in some way, instead of adding a template within the article?  —Michael Z. 01:33, 2004 Dec 28 (UTC)
 * Keep but reformat.  — mark ✎ 01:49, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Definitely keep, whether reformatted or not. Visiting the given language Wikipedia might raise the interest in someone to spend more in-depth efforts on that language, and I think this is absolutely in accordance with the Wiki objectives. Even if they don't understand it, they may find it appealing to them, or may understand a few words, and they may be encouraged to continue studying. At least at the bottom, but the template should definitely be kept. --Adam78 15:25, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. While it's not directly applicable to the entry, it is useful auxiliary information. --Marnen Laibow-Koser (talk) 17:17, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Very useful for interwiki coordination. Anton Mravcek 22:32, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Since Wikipedias with low amounts of articles are no longer on the other languages section on the Main Page, this template is useful to see if that language has a Wikipedia to contribute to. Norman Rogers\talk 15:14, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a useful template for language research, etc.  I disagree with the spam characterization, because language articles have a higher likelihood of being read by someone who may be interested to read a Wikipedia in the language described in the article. --Ryanaxp 22:21, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's very interesting to read about a little-used language and then see the same language in action. Anyhow, the usual interwiki links are not easy enough to notice; this template sticks out a bit too much... Perhaps it should be flushed to the right? --Pt 00:45, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep Its a good way to get attention of speakers / learners of minority languages
 * Keep, but reformat and have it at the bottom. Even there it violates the no self reference policy, but in the external links that may be acceptable. - Taxman 03:49, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, but I agree that it should be reformatted like wikiquote and moved to the bottom of articles. CyborgTosser (Only half the battle) 09:01, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep: some people are becoming entirely too anal-retentive about avoiding self-reference, they need to chill and think about it (I've even seen people objecting to references to sister projects like Wikibooks). The fact that a language is prominent enough to have its own specific Wikipedia is a criterion for notability and should therefore be mentioned in the article somewhere. I feel that the appropriate place would be in the External links section. --Phil | Talk 09:29, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep: I'm a big devotee of avoid self-reference, but this is an explicitly-permitted exception, because it is contained to a template and so can be removed en masse with a single edit. I was still unconvinced until I read above that real users find it useful. So let's keep it — perhaps dropping the font size a bit would satisfy more people. Deco 09:53, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Summary:
 * Keep: 8
 * Keep but amend: 16
 * Delete: 2

syntax error
Should not Template:InterWiki have a closing </div> after "|}" (</table&gt)? --WikiBorg, 2005-01-17 07:22 +0100

Disagreement on location at Kannada
Can I know what the real intention was behind this edit? :) link Looks like you don't really seem to like the mention of 'kannada' wikipedia on the 'kannada' page. --H P Nadig 01:12, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * If you look, you'll see that I've simply moved the Interwiki box to the "External links" section, which is the location it belongs to according to Interwiki's Talk page --Circeus 01:17, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * If you observe carefully, thats just an opinion from one of the wikipedians to put it in external links section. In this context though, I believe, if placed down below, It is as good as not having it on the page. :) But thats not the only thing. You have also seen to it that the link to it in "See also" has vanished. I would recommend leaving a note in the talk page before erasing something... It would make less sense to keep changing back.--H P Nadig 01:33, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I've spent 2 hours putting/moving interwiki templates. The template was proposed for deletion because it was considered inappropriate at the top of pages (among things). There was no reason whatsoever to have both a See also link when the Interwiki box was fairly prominent in the lower parts of the page. If you consider that location for the template inappropriate (after considering the question, i came to conclude it was), you should idscuss it over at its talk page. --Circeus 01:50, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * It would be a stupid thing first to remove it, and then ask to participate in a long-lasting discussion about it... I just don't seem to get the idea. There have been such endless talks recently, and I don't fancy getting in one, Thank you. For this language, atleast, can't we leave the template alone and think of some constructive additions rather than just push templates to the bottom? The template is there for a good purpose. Please just make sure you leave a comment in the respective article's talk page before pushing it again to the bottom and removing any links that serve a good purpose. --H P Nadig 02:12, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh my. Most evidently I very badly worded my previous comment. The template was proposed for deletion and kept with a complete reformatting and the decision (I believe) not to put it at the top of pages anymore, than the discussion related to it was archived on it's talk page.           I kept it at the top only of page that were substubs or didn't have an actual "External links" section. I took the liberty of moving your comment at the talk page in a more appropriate position and deleting the inappropriate parts. Really sorry for any inconvenients. --Circeus 03:14, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * This sounds irrational. whats going on? why did you remove my vote off? --H P Nadig 17:15, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Because the vote has closed (It is an archive that is kept at Template_talk:InterWiki) and the template was kept. I mentionned the template was proposed to deletion, I did not say it was currently on the list, which is at Templates for deletion.

 * But that shouldn't conclude that the interwiki should go to bottom in all the language articles. The issue couldn't possibly close with the poll for deletion. Lets have a new poll and invite all the language wikipedia maintainers this time over, I believe not many even knew about the proposition to move it to the bottom. Please don't take pre-emptive conclusions and make the changes. I see that the interwiki that was moved to top was moved back to bottom again on Kannada. Where is this taking it? --H P Nadig 18:13, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I did not touch to Kannada again and from now on, I will not consider myself concerned with any problem you might have with other editing "your" pages. Joy point out "The only problem, IMHO, is that the author intended for it to be placed at the top of each article, which is definitely spam. I think that we should simply conclude that the notices should be moved off of the tops of pages and keep the template, near the bottom", and if you read the voters comment closely, you'll notice there were several agreers. Further discussion belongs not on my talk page but on InterWiki's. You might want to make a request for comments before going straight to a survey. I will be copying this discussion to Interwiki's talk page so that others can contribute. --Circeus 18:27, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)

 * Its rather childish on your part to say "problem you might have with other editing *your* pages". I would've done probably more if I were having such a feeling. I'm just concerned only 'cos I'm one of the maintainers of Kannada wikipedia and think that the interwiki there serves a really good purpose.
 * I'm not denying there are people who agree to the placement of interwiki at the bottom... I'm just saying that there are people too who would like to see that on the top.I think this can be put to discussion and solved. Just let us make way for a discussion involving everyone concerned. cheers, --H P Nadig 20:31, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Template:InterWiki @ xx.wikixxxx

 * Halló! I made a list about Template:InterWiki @ xx.wikixxxx at commons:User:Gangleri/sandbox/Template:InterWiki. I am puzzeled about lowecase and capital "W" in "InterWiki". So far I identified only fr:Template:InterWiki and sv:Template:InterWiki with lowercase "w" ("Interwiki"). Is there a reason for this? Best regards Gangleri | [ Th] | T 20:52, 2005 Apr 18 (UTC)

class="noprint"
this doesn't seem to do anything. Does it? MarSch 17:42, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Pervents the template from being printed. Nobody wants an interwiki box on his printed copy. Relevant bug --logixoul 12:18, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

and what about clear: right; ? -MarSch 14:28, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visuren.html#flow-control --logixoul 12:18, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

and what about spacing: 1px; ? -MarSch 14:32, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * No spacing CSS property exists, this snippet in the template does nothing, so I removed it. --logixoul 12:18, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * ...and Netoholic blew us both away -_- --logixoul 16:10, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

InterWikt?
Is there a wiktionary-equivalent of this? It would be nice to give the struggling wiktionaries some attention as well.

Peter Isotalo 12:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Very good idea. There already is one: Template:Wiktionarylang (also see Category:Interwiki link templates).
 * Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 12:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Use on English language?
Should this template be used at English language. I think that such a self-reference is necessary to comply with the spirit of Avoid self-references. The template would need to be included as  (because   doesn't link to the main page for some reason).

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 12:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've been bold. —Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 15:45, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Re-wording
I've added  to the template text so people know what Wikipedia actually is. I don't think the edit is too controversial but please discuss here if you disagree.

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 12:41, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Use sister
Please sync with the InterWiki/sandbox to align this template with the usual style for these boxes (that is, use sister). TIA. —Ms2ger (talk) 16:59, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I see this has been done by Shirik. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:28, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Problem in Pontic Greek article
Hello experts, could anyone please check why this template is not working in the Pontic Greek article? Thanks a lot! --Kazu89 ノート 08:08, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Fixed. —Stephen (talk) 05:02, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

using language code
Rich made some changes to change this template from using PAGENAME to using the language code to determine the name of the language. Fram has reverted, so discussion is needed. Some examples of pages which use parameter 1 are Ligurian (Romance language), Brunei, Bavaria, Basic English, Iceland, Guam and Lesotho. An example of using PAGENAME resulting in inconsistency is Afrikaans which says "Afrikaans edition of Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" instead of "Afrikaans language edition of Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia", Esperanto, and Ido, Latin, Sanskrit, Category:Choctaw. Maybe some of these shouldn't have ' language' as it is superfluous given the context. The same can be said for Arabic language, which makes just as much sense as "Arabic edition of Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" (i.e. not "Arabic language edition.."). More examples can be found by looking for transclusions at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:InterWiki from pages which dont end in ' language'. IMO using the language code is better as the template is also used on many pages which are not about the language, such as List of islands of Brazil. John Vandenberg (chat) 12:07, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Btw, we can use PAGENAME if the langcode isnt recognised, and automatically flag the langcode as unrecognised. See Template_talk:ISO_639_name. John Vandenberg (chat) 12:17, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Rich Farmbrough's change (which I reverted as an undiscussed change to a fully protected template, and which broke the template link on some 40-odd pages) doesn't add "language" anywhere apparently. It's consistent, I don't know whether it is better. I.e. on List of islands of Brazil, it would change it to Portuguese edition instead of Portuguese language edition. It also requires the creation of non-existent ISO 639 codes like Template:ISO 639 name simple, which is not really very professional. I see no real advantage in this change. Fram (talk) 09:43, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it does not require the addition of "non-existent ISO 639 codes". The template would still accept a parameter that would override (like it already does) for cases where we have a wiki project that doesnt have an ISO code.  And we would still use PAGENAME if there is no better option. John Vandenberg (chat) 05:22, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The creation of that "simple" template by Rich Farmbrough and subsequent discussion gave me the impression that it was required though. I suppose you mean that still using Pagename is the solution you suggest, not the one Rich Farmbrough implemented and I reverted? Since in his version, all mention of Pagename had disappeared. Fram (talk) 08:09, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I am suggesting improving the template to use the 'code' parameter to determine the language name. This is what Rich did and you reverted.  I still think that approach is the right direction, so now we discuss.  I personally dont mind that we have Template:ISO 639 name simple and other templates for languages without a ISO 639 value provided the template pages explain that they are not official values (it is an unfortunately useful hack), but recognising that some may find that hack unacceptable, I've suggested we use PAGENAME and an override as fallbacks so that we dont need to create pages for unofficial langcodes.  A blended solution which is backwards compatible, will result in simpler invocation in most cases, and (I think) no more complicated invocations than the current template. John Vandenberg (chat) 12:34, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Do you believe in magic words?
I've modified this template so that it now uses the  and   magic words. Anyways, I see this all as fairly noncontroversial, but folks can feel free to WP:BRD, of course. — PinkAmpers  &  ( Je vous invite à me parler )  23:19, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The former means that we no longer get ugly outputs when  isn't specified: For instance, previously the pages Pitkern language and Norfuk dialect referred to the "Pitkern language edition" and the "Norfuk dialect edition" of Wikipedia. A), generally we refer to language editions as simply "the such-and-such edition", and b) in that particular case, and others like it,  gives you the wrong answer, since the two languages share a wiki. Now, on either page, you see the more accurate "Norfuk / Pitkern edition". (If other editors do feel that it should say "Norfuk / Pitkern language edition", they can feel free to change it; like I said, I think that sounds kinda weird.) Oh, also, if for some reason   doesn't work, the template will use the old  fallback (to which I've also added Title without disambig as a bonus).
 * The latter means that if no  is specified, the template will check to see if Wikidata has any value listed under its "Wikimedia language code" property. It won't effect the behavior whatsoever for uses of the template where   is specified.

Overtemplating
I don't think we need a link to English WP at Barbados or the Falkland Islands. What possible function would it serve? Likewise links from biographies or lists of islands, though I did leave on at the List of Nepali actresses just because so many of them were red links. We should have this, where? language articles, articles about those other 'pedias, lists of country-related links and outlines of countries, maybe? Or is even that too much? — kwami (talk) 04:43, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

title: Template talk:InterWiki


text:
Ihering

Ihering might be

 * Hermann von Ihering (1850–1930), German-Brazilian naturalist
 * Herbert Ihering (1888–1977), German theater critic
 * Rodolpho von Ihering (1883–1939) Brazilian zoologist, son of Hermann von Ihering
 * Rudolf von Jhering (1818–1892), German jurist

title: Ihering