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Chutes Too Narrow

Chutes Too Narrow is the second studio album by American rock band The Shins. Produced by Phil Ek and the band themselves, the album was released on October 21, 2003, through Sub Pop. The album title comes from a lyric in the song "Young Pilgrims". The album was very well received by critics, garnering an overall score of 88/100 on Metacritic. As of August 2008 according to Nielsen SoundScan, they have sold over 393,000 copies to date.

Chutes Too Narrow features cleaner production standards than The Shins' "lo-fi" debut Oh, Inverted World. This is largely due to the album's being mixed by producer Phil Ek, who has also worked with Built to Spill and Modest Mouse. Chutes Too Narrow also departs from the band's previous keyboard-driven sound and shifts towards more emphasis on guitars.

The album also included violin parts on "Saint Simon", played by Annemarie Ruljancich, and was nominated for a Grammy Award for Best Recording Package. The cover art was designed by Jesse LeDoux. The songs "Gone for Good" and "Those to Come" were used in the 2004 film In Good Company. "Those to Come" was also used in the 2005 film Winter Passing.

Background and recording
Chutes Too Narrow was recorded in the basement of James Mercer's former home, located in a particularly rough neighborhood in Portland, Oregon. Although recording in the basement was less than pleasant, the band found it "cheaper than a real studio", with Mercer noting that "it only costs sixty bucks to buy deadbolts for the doors." Near the end of the recording process, the band was robbed of the computer they recorded on. "So the master files are now in some crack addict's basement," Mercer told Rolling Stone in 2003. Having cut ties with a bad relationship and a bad job, Mercer felt his songwriting reflected a broader perspective as a result. During the recording process, keyboardist Marty Crandall and his girlfriend, Elyse Sewell, saw a television advertisement for America's Next Top Model and joked that she should try out. Host Tyra Banks called his girlfriend a week later, and Sewell went on to win third prize on America's Next Top Model, wearing "three different Shins T-shirts" on the program.

Following the record's completion, the album was mixed at Avast! Studios in Seattle and mastered at The Lodge in New York City.

Music
Rolling Stone wrote that Chutes Too Narrow is "a study in old-school pop songwriting, full of Sixties-style psychedelic folk rock, abundant pop hooks and James Mercer's inimitable high-pitched croon."

Critical reception
Chutes Too Narrow was met with critical acclaim upon its October 2003 release. Matt LeMay of Pitchfork designated it "Best New Music", summarizing that "Not simply an excellent album, Chutes Too Narrow is also a powerful testament to pop music's capacity for depth, beauty and expressiveness." AllMusic's Heather Phares wrote that the band "excel[s] at sounding happy, sad, frustrated, and vulnerable at the same time, and their best songs, whether they're fast or slow, feel like they're bursting with nervous energy." The New York Times Kelefa Sanneh called Chutes Too Narrow a "sly, restless album that includes a cryptic protest song—full of sugary harmonies and disconcerting slogans—and a dreamy meditation on ontogeny." Rolling Stone gave the record four stars, with reviewer Barry Walters commenting, "It must mean something that the freshest indie rock boasts tunes more substantial than what is sold in the mainstream."

Robert Christgau of The Village Voice called Mercer "a gifted melodist with an arranger's knack for psychedelicizing simple structures and a folkie's fondness for acoustic strum." Q called the record "a leap forward", while Uncut wrote that "You don't expect progression from such evident classicists, but there's a new clarity, poise and refinement." Mojo wrote that the album "sears through the essence of what makes this band special, the brave voice and ebullient delivery of singer-songwriter-guitarist James Mercer." Spin Zac Crain compared their style to their "fellow travelers the New Pornographers", writing that "the Shins are reverent and referential, practically documenting their source material with footnotes, while acting like they own it." While Dave Simpson of The Guardian opined that "downbeat self-deprecation" permeates the recording, he wrote that "there's a certain small-town romance vibe throughout, they're not averse to surprises."

Stephen Thompson of The A.V. Club felt the record was a disappointment in contrast to its "near-perfect" predecessor, but did speak positively when comparing: "[Chutes Too Narrow] does share its intelligence and concision, as well as its remarkable ability to make kicky pop-rock sound both simple and complex, retro and modern." In contrast, The New Yorker considered the album an improvement over Oh, Inverted World: "With better writing, better playing and better singing, the album illustrates the breadth of the lead singer and songwriter James Mercer's vision; the cuts […] are elevated by accessible pop hooks and literate but unpretentious lyrics." Similarly, Robert Christgau felt it "faster and clearer" than the band's "paisley-fringed" debut, writing that the album "advances the Shins well beyond the dreamy indistinctness that has replaced lo-fi as Indieland's distancing strategy of choice." Alternative Press wrote that the band "satisfy largely by serving up more of what made their debut so good", and Blender felt similarly: "Their second album is equally charming and more consistent." Magnet felt it "a better record than the Shins' first—a sonically bolder production with fewer effects and more hooks per square inch than a flyrod factory." Will Hermes of Entertainment Weekly wrote that "[the band] follow 2001's pop-a-licious Oh Inverted World with just the record you'd want: production a bit bigger […] and songs more adventurous but no less indelible."

Accolades
Chutes Too Narrow appeared on numerous music critics' and publications' end-of-year albums lists. Stylus Magazine placed the record at number three on their respective list, while Billboard and The Village Voice Pazz & Jop followed at number six. Pitchfork placed the record at number seven on their year-end list, writing that "Chutes Too Narrow shattered expectations, a meticulously sequenced, stripped-down collection of indie pop gems encompassing endless Technicolor universes." Mojo also placed the album at number seven on their list, and Rolling Stone on an unordered list of "Best Albums of 2003".

Track listing
All songs written and composed by James Mercer.

Personnel
The Shins
 * James Mercer – vocals, guitar, harmonica, production
 * Dave Hernandez – bass, guitars, production
 * Jesse Sandoval – drums, production
 * Marty Crandall – keyboards, production

 * Additional musicians'''
 * Annemarie Ruljancich – violin on "Saint Simon"
 * Kevin Suggs – pedal steel guitar on "Gone for Good"

Production
 * Phil Ek – production, mixing
 * Jesse LeDoux – design
 * Emily Lazar – mastering

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Talk:Radeon R400 series

 * Why I removed the 'Features' section: Nearly all of it can be found verbatim on several sites on google, thus its not original. Even more than that though, it feels too much like whoever wrote it is trying to advertise the Radeon. The rest indeed seems encyclopedic, but as it was the 'Features' were not. Chaz 02:56, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

Firefox: I was not trying to 'advertise' it in any way, I was just stating the features and technology it has.

 * Are these specs correct? Radeon X1300 Pixel pipelines: 4 Vertex Processors: 2. That means it has as many pipelines as a Radeon X600! I wonder what the performance is?

Uhh, Psxer, why'd you change all references of Megabyte to Mebibyte?

ATi vs ATI
I changed all the instances of ATi to ATI. I'm a big fan of ATI cards, don't get me wrong, but in print ATI is a lot more readable and typable than ATi. --Alexwcovington (talk) 02:49, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

potential vandalism
an editor may want to check the validity of the information added in this diff, as the author has a record of vandalizing articles. –MT 08:06, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Radeon x800
I made this the Radeon x300-x800 page. The NVIDIA pages are split into core revisions, so I see no reason why ATI should not be styled in the came fashion. Seems reasonably well accepted as a categorisation methodology.

power consumption
i wonder if anyone could add stats on power consumption for each series? that would be interesting:)

Keep in mind...
Most of these cards are available in 128/256/512mb flavors, maybe we need to put a disclaimer saying that. I went ahead and changed the X800GTO, cause I personally have a 128mb version of x800gto

Reads a bit like an ATI Advert in places
using phrases like "ATI's excellent blah blah" isn't in line with wiki's guidelines. this article needs serious work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.140.17 (talk) 20:42, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

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Talk:Minigolf

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Advert. hfool 02:57, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Scratch that. Nevermind.  My bad, it just looked bad at first glance.
 * Keep . Notable game. --Improv 03:36, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Didn't know about miniature golf. Let's redirect this there. --Improv 02:58, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: 95% of the article is the full sized screen shot, with a single line saying "Game play," and it's about a dadblamed videogame. "Minigolf" is going to be typed in by folks looking for miniature golf, not one particular implementation of the concept in one particular videogame.  All you fans of computers can howl at me, if you wish, but there have been dozens of videogame minigolfs.  None of them were exactly Warcraft III.  Foghat!  Geogre 04:24, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Redirect to miniature golf. Do not merge any of this spam into the real article.  —[[en:RaD Man|RaD Man (talk)]] 04:36, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Done. Mikkalai 04:43, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Should the links from games listed in the ImagiNation Network also be edited/removed? NTN_Trivia isn't benifiting from the inclusion of a huge screenshot and a line about the network. What about Boogers_%28game%29? hfool 22:25, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Agree with Redirect to miniature golf. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 23:47, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment: Seems to have been redirected already --BM 03:20, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support Mikkalai's redirection of this article. [[User:GRider|GRider\talk]] 18:37, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Jenna Haze

Good article nomination on hold
This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of January 25, 2008, compares against the six good article criteria:

 * 1. Well written?: [[Image:Symbol wait.svg|15px]] Mostly well written, but a few things I feel the need to bring up. Phrases such as "She received good grades in school until about junior high school, when she discovered boys and sex." sound, frankly, like every stereotype (or wet dream) about women in porn, i.e. they are nuts for sex from an early age. Same issue with the uncited assertion of "Having always enjoyed pornography, she gladly accepted an offer from Moorehead to participate in a film..." Not much porn would get sold if it was admitted that people usually do it because they need the money. In-line citations that clearly support these views being held by Haze would probably remedy their unsuitability, but it's still iffy. This is a reference work, and using what someone says in fan interviews as verification makes some of the article come off in a promotional way.
 * 2. Factually accurate?: [[Image:Symbol wait.svg|15px]] Remember that this article must adhere to the structures of the biographies of living persons policy. Accordingly, there are a couple of places that need a direct in-line citation: The first sentence of the last paragraph of early life asserts haze's specific opinion, and thus needs an in-line cite. Same issue with "Having always enjoyed pornography.." Other than those, the article is very well cited. Great work!
 * 3. Broad in coverage?: [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] Broad and concise.
 * 4. Neutral point of view?: [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] Gives fair treatment to all significant points of view.
 * 5. Article stability? [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] Not the subject of any edit wars.
 * 6. Images?: [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] Provides licenses and source information as necessary. Would anyone mind if I tried a different infobox image though, the current one is hard to see her face in as she is leaning forward?

This close to GA, and is far better than many porn star bios. Thanks for your hard work, and your patience with the currently-slow nominations process. If you have the time and inclination, please consider helping to reduce the GAC backlog by reviewing an article. If you have any questions about the reviewing process, don't hesitate to ask me.

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. Van Tucky 02:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Sorry for the silly question but... "in-line citations" means put the reference just after the phrase, isn't it?
 * Well, I will just point out references about the phrases mentioned:

 * -"She received good grades in school until about junior high school, when she discovered boys and sex." The reference for this phrase is the reference #4 at this moment, Jenna's bio at AVN.com (Profile: Jenna Haze. AVN. Retrieved on 2007-10-25.). She wrote in the second paragraph of her bio: "I got good grades in school until about junior high school. Then I really discovered boys and sex."
 * -"Having always enjoyed pornography, she gladly accepted an offer from Moorehead to participate in a film..."In the forth paragraph of the same bio at AVN.com Jenna wrote: "I was at a certain club in Anaheim, California (actually it was my favorite club at the time ) when this guy I was kinda seeing introduced me to his friend who apparently had some connections with the adult industry. They both told me I would be perfect for adult films and asked me if I would like to try it. I had always been a big fan of porn so I jumped at the chance. The very next day I went down to the valley and got my test and the next day after that I was doing my very first scene."

 * -"When Haze turned 18, she tried stripping for a day, but did not enjoy being a house girl or giving lap dances to men she had to pretend to like, while not making much money".In the 3rd paragraph of the same bio at AVN.com she writes: "Once I turned 18, I tried stripping for one day but didn't like being a house girl and didn't make too much money so I didn't go back the next day."Also she mentions the same in the [REDACTED LINK - on spam blacklist so ClueBot can't archive].
 * Hope this helps. Purplehayes2006 (talk) 15:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Article lead
This is listed as a "Good article" so could someone add some summary content to the lead to negate the need for a "Short lead" tag? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otr500 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2018
The link in reference 18 is permanent dead link, and can be swapped with the following link which is a working article about the topic. Hitalicktwice (talk) 12:51, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done DannyS712 (talk) 05:39, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2020
Reference 18 leads to a 404 page, I've found similar content in the following link: https://ispa.co.il/adult-film-industry-might-determine-the-victor-in-hd-dvd-format-wars/ FutureBoi (talk) 13:54, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * . I have replaced the source. --- C & C  (Coffeeandcrumbs) 20:50, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

DOB
On Jenna Haze's verified official twitter account, she lists her full DOB of February 22, 1982. @Sangdeboeuf insists on only including her year of birth. We had a discussion here User Talk:Sangdeboeuf but were not able to reach an understanding. I'd appreciate other experienced editors providing their input to reach a consensus on whether her full DOB should be excluded or not. IPIPIPIP (talk) 06:19, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

 * As I stated on my user talk page, not all verifiable info needs to be included. It's fine to just list the birth year whether the subject objects or not, especially if the subject is borderline notable as determined by coverage in independent reliable sources. Virtually all the independent sources here are porn industry trade websites, making the subject's notability borderline in my opinion. The onus is on those wanting to include the material to establish consensus for inclusion. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 06:29, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, Twitter verification is no longer a guarantee of authenticity since anyone can now pay for a blue checkmark. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 06:32, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Her Twitter verification states that it's a legacy verified account under the old protocol prior to being able to pay for a blue checkmark. The basis for you disputing the inclusion of her full DOB is your opinion of her being borderline notable which I don't believe is correct. Up until 2021, this article was listed as a Good Article which takes into consideration notability. "Erring on the side of caution" is also not applicable here since the citation itself is not merely an isolated third-party source independent of the subject, and is in fact the subject themselves disclosing the information to the public. In my view, there's no justifiable reason for you to remove its inclusion. IPIPIPIP (talk) 06:58, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Point taken regarding the subject's Twitter verification . However, the fact that they once tweeted out their birthdate has no bearing on whether we decide to exercise caution under WP:BLPPRIVACY. Good Article status is itself not an indicator of notability, and the most recent GA assessment specifically said the subject was . Virtually all the "independent" sources here are porn industry trade websites, which exist to promote the porn industry, not report impartially on it. Therefore WP:BASIC seems just barely met if at all. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 07:46, 29 January 2023 (UTC) edited 13:22, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * You need to click on the blue checkmark for it to appear. It's also the twitter account linked to her official website . And the reference is not limited to her tweeting it out just once. Her birthday February 22 is literally listed on her main profile page . She has also tweeted her birth year multiple times in addition to her entire combined birthdate. Your desire to exclude it from the article due to possible borderline notability when the subject of the biography themselves repeatedly discloses and publishes the information on their official social media is unprecedented as far as I'm aware. Excluding the full DOB in this case seems more to be a judgement call than an absolute necessity based on clearly demarcated guidelines, so at the very least, I respectfully ask you be open to reconsidering after assessing the totality of circumstances. IPIPIPIP (talk) 08:15, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * As I explained on your user talk page, . Your proposal to combine tweets listing the subject's birth year with her profile listing the month and day amounts to WP:OR. Editing frequently requires that we use good judgement. I have assessed the totality of circumstances as far as I am able. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 08:28, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Please re-read what I wrote. There's a single combined tweet that includes her full DOB which is basically identical to the example ("today is my 50th birthday") provided for in the BLP policy  for self-published sources. IPIPIPIP (talk) 08:44, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I was responding to your statement, the reference is not limited to her tweeting it out just once. Her birthday February 22 is literally listed on her main profile page. She has also tweeted her birth year multiple times. Sources like these that do not include the full date of birth and/or birthday plus age should not be combined to extrapolate the full birth date per WP:DOB. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 08:57, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * You brought this to my attention regarding Tory Lane and I accepted it, and is the reason why I made a point to finish off the quoted sentence ...in addition to her entire combined birthdate which is mentioned entirely in a single source. Other sources are supportive/supplemental and I'm not extrapolating the full DOB from them for this article since the primary cited source that I've previously mentioned and shared multiple times already completely satisfies the criteria provided in the BLP policy. IPIPIPIP (talk) 09:32, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * BLP involves more than whether a given source supports a given piece of information. No one is disputing the authenticity of the tweet. But for reasons of privacy and notability, not all verifiable information needs to be included. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 10:09, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * You haven't demonstrated or justified why it should be excluded. There is no privacy issue since the subject of the biography herself has publicly published her DOB in numerous places. As for notability, the article has been covered by a variety of sources including CNBC, Las Vegas Weekly, Complex, Revolver, and others. As I've mentioned before, your desire to exclude her full DOB from the article due to debatable borderline notability when the subject of the biography themselves repeatedly discloses and publishes the information on their official social media is unprecedented. IPIPIPIP (talk) 10:30, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Haze has only published her full DOB in one tweet as far as I'm aware. The subject lacks notability in mainstream sources as mentioned at Talk:Jenna Haze/GA1. I would not describe Complex or Revolver as mainstream. Privacy must always be a consideration with BLPs: the standard for inclusion of personal information of living persons is higher than mere existence of a reliable source. Once again, the onus is on those wanting to include the material to establish consensus for inclusion. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 11:00, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

The purpose for having a higher standard for inclusion of personal information of living persons beyond the mere existence of a reliable source is to consider potential privacy concerns and err on the side of caution in situations where an isolated third-party source independent of the subject is publishing private information for which it can be inferred that the living person may object to its publication. This is not the case here as the source of personal information is self-published in which Jenna Haze herself is disclosing her own personal information to the public on her official social media profile and tweets. With that being said, I disagree with your attempt to justify its exclusion by debating borderline notability. In my view, I believe the onus for its inclusion is met but since it doesn't seem that we'll come to an agreement, I've already requested a 3rd party opinion and will consider other arbitration methods to resolve this dispute to reach a consensus. IPIPIPIP (talk) 11:57, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

 * The purpose for having a higher standard for inclusion of personal information of living persons is to avoid inadvertent harm to the subject of a BLP. Once again, the subject is, so there's little reason to include the full DOB. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 12:21, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Avoid inadvertent harm to the subject of a BLP via disclosure of personal information. Once again, the subject herself publicly self-published her own personal information on her own social media platforms which addresses your points and satisfies BLP criteria for inclusion. There's no reason not to include the full DOB in the article. IPIPIPIP (talk) 12:38, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Once again, you are overstating the extent to which this information was publicized by the subject. One tweet is not the equivalent of one or more social media platforms. There are many reasons to exclude this info, identity theft and harassment to name a couple. The fact that the subject once tweeted her full DOB almost a dozen years ago doesn't mean they don't object to it being publicized now. Wikipedia has a global reach and is seen, rightly or wrongly, as authoritative. We must use extra care when dealing with BLPs. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 12:48, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Per WP:DOB (my bolding): If a subject complains about our inclusion of their date of birth, the person is borderline notable, err on the side of caution and simply list the year. There are two conditions here that militate against including a person's the full birth date: either they complain about the inclusion, they are borderline notable. Either one may justify exclusion. Even if the first doesn't apply to this subject, the second definitely does. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 12:55, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * We've already discussed the issue above and I've made abundantly clear the details of her social media posts and twitter profile. The fact that the subject tweeted her full DOB in addition to several other tweets publicly sharing her birthday and birth year and that her actual birthdate of Feburary 22 is currently published on her offical twitter profile is evidence enough to refute your speculative objection that she possibly might object to its inclusion in the article. I agree extra care must be taken when dealing with BLPs and that's exactly what's been done and I disagree with your opinion on notability and frankly your interpretation of the policy. In my view, there's no reasonable objection to why her full DOB shouldn't be included in the article. IPIPIPIP (talk) 13:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not just my opinion. Once again, the most recent GA assessment specifically said the subject was lacking notability in mainstream media. This refusal to get the point is frankly becoming disruptive. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 13:19, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * There are two conditions here that militate against including a person's the full birth date: either they complain about the inclusion, they are borderline notable. In what way does this statement diverge from the intended meaning of WP:DOB in your opinion? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 13:32, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

 * The context of borderline notability within the BLP policy revolves around privacy concerns and issues of safety and harassement. That's what's clearly intended and it shouldn't be viewed in isolation or separate to these fundamental concerns. When the subject of the BLP themselves self-publish their own personal information, this satisfactorily addresses and alleviates these concerns and the issue of borderline notability shouldn't be used outside of its intended context to justify exclusion of otherwise properly sourced information, especially when the same BLP policy states that the citation satisfies the criteria for including the full DOB. I don't appreciate your false accusation of me being disruptive as I haven't opposed a group of editors or have gone against a consensus. In fact, I've done the opposite by communicating to you several times that we're not seeing eye to eye and that involving the wider community to arrive at a consensus to this dispute is likely best. IPIPIPIP (talk) 13:54, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I think you are muddying the waters by claiming several tweets where Haze publicized "personal information" somehow support inclusion of this info, even though only one of those tweets satisfies the criteria of WP:DOB. We are not talking about "personal information" in the abstract, but a very specific personal detail. If anything, the fact that Haze has chosen to publish her full birth date in the last decade weighs against inclusion and in favor of privacy. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 14:11, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * A single source satisfying WP:DOB criteria which is also near identical to the example given in the BLP policy is more than sufficient. She doesn't need to constantly tweet out her entire birthday every now and again, and I'm not muddying the waters by factually stating that she repeatedly tweets out her year of birth and date of birth in multiple places to dispel the myth of supposed privacy concerns you're personally trying to impose on her. If anything, the fact that she has her birthdate of February 22 (the very specific personal detail you're arguing should be excluded from the article for privacy reasons) currently published on her main twitter profile, is definitive evidence that there is no reason or justification to exclude it from the article with a properly cited reference. IPIPIPIP (talk) 15:58, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

RfC on date of birth
Should the full date of birth be included in the article? 01:08, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No per WP:EXCEPTIONAL, WP:DOB, WP:TWITTER. As stated earlier, porn stars are in the business of selling a fantasy version of themselves. We shouldn't necessarily treat a self-published age + birthday as infallible, especially when lacking confirmation from more mainstream reliable sources. This is especially true for information posted to social media. Even if we assume this tweet is accurate, the standard for inclusion of personal information of living persons is . Including a full DOB presents privacy concerns whether the date is accurate or not. (An earlier argument claimed that because Haze has her birthday of February 22 in her Twitter bio, she should be presumed to be OK with the full date being published. But there's a difference between posting the day and/or year in isolation and publishing the full date of birth; there's also a difference between tweeting something once almost twelve years ago and having it prominently displayed on one's Wikipedia page indefinitely.) The most recent GA assessment specifically found the subject to be . In such cases the normal practice is to simply  of birth. Wikipedia has a global reach and is seen, rightly or wrongly, as authoritative, so we must use extra care with material regarding living persons. Given the subject's questionable notability, the full DOB does not add anything useful nor is the source reliable enough to meet policy requirements in my opinion. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 04:49, 30 January 2023 (UTC) edited 07:54, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: I've notified WP:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard about this RfC. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 04:53, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin: 's response to an earlier third opinion request should also be considered when evaluating the consensus of this RfC. Thank you. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 05:17, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No WP:DOB says If a subject complains about our inclusion of their date of birth, or the person is borderline notable, err on the side of caution and simply list the year, provided that there is a reliable source for it. I think that applies here, the subject of this article is borderline notable. There are also reasons to believe the date of birth may not be reliable --Tristario (talk) 08:01, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No per WP:EXCEPTIONAL, WP:DOB, WP:TWITTER My thoughts are inline with what Sangdeboeuf has expressed. Sergeant Curious (talk) 19:50, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes The context of borderline notability within the BLP policy revolves around privacy concerns and issues of safety and harassement. That's what's clearly intended and it shouldn't be viewed in isolation or separate to these fundamental concerns. When the subject of the BLP themselves self-publish their own personal information, this satisfactorily addresses and alleviates these concerns and the issue of borderline notability shouldn't be used outside of its intended context to justify exclusion of otherwise properly sourced information, especially when the same BLP policy states that the citation satisfies the criteria for including the full DOB. There's a single combined tweet that includes her full DOB which is basically identical to the example ("today is my 50th birthday") provided for in the BLP policy  for self-published sources. Her birth day February 22 is also listed on her main profile page . She has also tweeted her birth year multiple times in addition to her entire combined birthdate. A DOB is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim and there's no reason to doubt the authenticity of her social media as per WP:EXCEPTIONAL and WP:TWITTER. Claiming that a DOB is an "exceptional claim" which requires confirmation from multiple high-quality sources to independently verify would defeat the purpose of the BLP policy regarding WP:DOB which provides clear criteria that the provided source meets in this case. And the purpose for "erring on the side of caution" with regards to birth date is to consider potential privacy concerns in situations where an isolated third-party source independent of the subject is publishing private information for which it can be inferred that the living person may object to its publication. This is not the case here as the source of personal information is Jenna Haze herself disclosing her own personal information to the public per WP:DOB criteria. As previously stated, she has not only posted the day and year of birth in isolation but has published the entire date of birth in one post and then republished the day and year in several other different posts and on her main profile. IPIPIPIP (talk) 14:57, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The purpose for "erring on the side of caution" with regards to birth date is to consider potential privacy concerns in situations where an isolated third-party source independent of the subject is publishing private information ... Can you link to a discussion establishing this as the intent of the policy? Or is this just a guess? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 02:16, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No per WP:DOB, ' If a subject complains about our inclusion of their date of birth, or the person is borderline notable, err on the side of caution and simply list the year, provided that there is a reliable source for it." Seems rather cut-and-dry to me.  -- Jayron 32 15:33, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment That's understandable with a literal reading of WP:DOB. However, the spirit of the guideline should not be ignored in my opinion. For example, the 3RR is not implemented literally. When editors try to skirt their way around it, by violating the spirit of the 3RR, a sanction is imposed. And even when more than 3 reverts occurs, admins have discretion not to sanction based on considering the totality of circumstances. The borderline notability recommendation in WP:DOB has an obvious intent, spirit, and context behind it which should be considered and which I argue for above in my vote. IPIPIPIP (talk) 16:05, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * She's borderline notable. She's not a president of a major nation or top-flight athlete or a Nobel Prize winner.  -- Jayron 32 18:11, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * My comment is not disputing the level of her notability. My comment is addressing the apparent intent behind borderline notability in WP:DOB (to protect privacy, safety, harassment) and how, for reasons outlined above, why in my view it's being misapplied in this specific case. IPIPIPIP (talk) 18:47, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Your argument relies on the fact that Haze once tweeted her age + birthday almost twelve years ago. There's quite a difference between that and having the date prominently displayed on one's Wikipedia page indefinitely. It doesn't violate the spirit of BLP policy to use caution in such a case. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 01:32, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * In addition to tweeting it 12 years ago, her birthdate is currently prominently displayed on her verified twitter social media profile in addition to being tweeted in 2022, 2020, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2018, 2016, etc. Her birthday is also published by The Times of India:, AVN: , IAFD: , IMDb: , etc. And yes, I can already read your reply on the merits of some of these sources, but what's being relied upon is the social media self-published source meeting BLP WP:DOB guidelines. IPIPIPIP (talk) 06:06, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * See below. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 06:57, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

 * No per Tristario etc. See also WP:BLPKINDNESS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:31, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, if we can find sourced legal material why not? I don't see the subject complaining about their birthdate as seems to be implied above, so what is the problem?--Ortizesp (talk) 20:59, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * If a subject complains about our inclusion of their date of birth,, err on the side of caution and simply list the year. It was found at Talk:Jenna Haze/GA1 that the subject has questionable mainstream notability. There are plenty of legal sources that are not suitable for use on Wikipedia. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 01:25, 31 January 2023 (UTC) edited 03:55, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * And the page was kept, so it's notable. Therefore the arguments don't stand.--Ortizesp (talk) 21:33, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * MY point is the subject is notable; I've edited my reply to reflect this. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 03:55, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * err on the side of caution for potential reasons of privacy, safety, and harassment. There is no reason to "err on the side of caution" in this case because the source of personal information is not an isolated independent third-party source, but Jenna Haze herself, meeting BLP WP:DOB criteria for self-published sources. IPIPIPIP (talk) 04:58, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The reason for caution is that there's a difference between tweeting one's age + birthday once, almost twelve years ago, and having the date prominently displayed on one's Wikipedia page indefinitely.So far we've only been discussing whether or not to the date based on WP policy. But just because something is allowed under policy doesn't necessarily mean it should be kept; see WP:NOTEVERYTHING. A positive consensus for  would seem to require reasons why the information is necessary or essential to the article, and I'm not seeing any. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 04:11, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You keep portraying this as being limited to some one-off tweet 12 years ago when her birthdate is currently prominently displayed on her verified twitter social media profile in addition to being tweeted in 2022, 2020, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2018, 2016, etc. In addition, her birthday is published by The Times of India:, AVN: , IAFD: , IMDb: , etc. And yes, I can already read your reply on the merits of some of these sources, but what's being relied upon is the social media self-published source meeting BLP WP:DOB guidelines. I'm not seeing any reason why it should be excluded from the article based on WP policy. IPIPIPIP (talk) 06:06, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Then why bring them up if you know they're poor sources? IMDb and IAFD are both WP:USERGENERATED. AVN performer bios are copied from other sites and may not be reliable. The same is apparently true of the Times of India, which is somewhere between "no consensus" and "generally unreliable". None of the linked tweets include the full birth date, and some don't even explicitly say what Haze's  is. Haze's Twitter bio only lists her birthday, not the full date.
 * Still not seeing any reasons why the information is valuable, necessary or essential to the article. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 06:57, 2 February 2023 (UTC) edited 07:16, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Her full birthdate is mentioned in the 2011 tweet, and at least 6 or 7 tweets over the years up until as recent as 2022 explicitly confirms the date of February 22 that was mentioned in the tweet with her full date. As an online encyclopedia, the information is relevant, and it is properly sourced according to WP BLP guidelines per WP:DOB criteria (which includes a near identical example to the reference provided for this article). I've addressed the reasons of borderline notability/privacy, and in my view, there is no convincing WP policy or appropriate justification to exclude it. IPIPIPIP (talk) 07:25, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTEVERYTHING explicitly says not all information is relevant to an encyclopedia. The fact that Haze has confirmed her birthday multiple times but not her full DOB seems significant. The WP:ONUS is on those favoring inclusion to show why the material  be included, not that it's merely . —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 07:41, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Not all information is relevant to an encyclopedia. Her properly sourced full birthdate is. IPIPIPIP (talk) 07:46, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Why is it relevant? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 04:53, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

 * No per WP:BLPKINDNESS and WP:DOB, which seem intended to solve these types of situations. Fad Ariff (talk) 13:06, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * COMMENT has the subject Jenna Haze herself objected to her birthdate being included? Because if NOT then these arguments for BLPKINDNESS, DOB, EXCEPTIONAL etc aren't relevant.21:33, 31 January 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ortizesp (talk • contribs)
 * WP:EXCEPTIONAL and WP:NOTEVERYTHING have nothing to do with the subject's personal feelings. Even WP:DOB focuses more on overall privacy concerns; whether someone complains is only reason to exclude personal identifying information. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 04:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * is absolutely correct that WP:EXCEPTIONAL and WP:BLPKINDNESS are irrelevant to this case. IPIPIPIP (talk) 06:06, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, but EXCEPTIONAL shouldn't apply (DOB isn't exceptional), nor is NOTEVERYTHING since birthdate is included in literally every other biography. Ortizesp (talk) 06:09, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree with you. IPIPIPIP (talk) 06:14, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Birth dates are not included in literally every other biography. We even have a policy (WP:DOB) that says to the full date in certain cases. Are we really saying that porn stars and other celebrities have no reason to obfuscate their true birth dates? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 07:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This isn't one of those cases for reasons I've done my best to outline above. IPIPIPIP (talk) 07:49, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see a relevant argument for why it would be omitted for pornstars over other celebrities. Actors and actresses also face ageism, I don't think it's a good argument here, especially if the intent isn't coming from the actress herself. Ortizesp (talk) 04:48, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

 * Yes I'm perplexed that there's even a debate about this topic. This person's birthday is published in multiple places so there's no invasion of privacy. The date is in the public, it's sourced. Most of the guideline arguments against inclusion seem to be a misunderstanding of WP:BLP polices which Ortizesp has astutely pointed out. Haze is notable and no one here has provided an example of an objection so WP:BLPKIND is irrelevant. - Nemov (talk) 17:10, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment What are the sources for her DOB? Is it only the tweet from her Twitter account ? Some1 (talk) 18:42, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * There's a comment above that lists four websites that have her DOB. Nemov (talk) 14:09, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * None of those sites are generally reliable for BLPs. Just because the date is in the public doesn't mean it belongs on Wikipedia. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 19:42, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The Times of India would probably be fine for something like this, but the birthday is also published on Rotten Tomatoes which is a reliable source. Nemov (talk) 22:20, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Rotten Tomatoes is considered generally reliable for its review aggregation and its news articles on film and TV. I disagree that its celebrity profile pages are necessarily reliable. Like the Times of India, they seem to just be copied from the wider web with no indication of authorship, let alone editorial oversight. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 01:17, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * How many websites does it need to be on before you're conforatable that it's correct? 5? 10? 20? These sites are fine for this kind of information. Nemov (talk) 03:17, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not. BLPs require sourcing, not just . —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 03:52, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Whether the information is simply correct is not the whole issue. Privacy is also a concern. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 03:53, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

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Her birthday is 02/22/1982 74.102.50.243 (talk) 08:56, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ❌ Please provide a reliable source for this information. 331dot (talk) 08:58, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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USS Carondelet

USS Carondelet (1861) was a City-class ironclad gunboat constructed for the War Department by James B. Eads during the American Civil War. It was named for the town where it was built, Carondelet, Missouri.

Carondelet was designed for service on the western rivers, with a combination of shallow draft and variety of heavy guns (and a light howitzer), she was suited for riverside bombardment and ship-to-ship combat against Confederate gunboats.

Built in Carondelet Missouri in 1861
USS Carondelet, an ironclad river gunboat, was built in 1861 by James Eads and Co., St. Louis, Missouri, at the Union Iron Works, in Carondelet, Missouri under contract to the United States Department of War. Carondelet was commissioned 15 January 1862, at Cairo, Illinois, U.S. Navy Commander Henry A. Walke in command, and reported to Army's Western Gunboat Flotilla, commanded by U.S. Navy Flag Officer Andrew Hull Foote.

Union Army service
Between January and October 1862, Carondelet operated almost constantly on river patrol and in the capture of Fort Henry and Fort Donelson in February; the passing of Island No. 10 and the attack on and spiking of the shore batteries below New Madrid, Missouri, in April; the lengthy series of operations against Plum Point Bend, Fort Pillow, and Memphis, Tennessee, from April through June, and the engagement with CSS Arkansas on 15 July, during which Carondelet was heavily damaged and suffered 35 casualties.

Union Navy service
Transferred to Navy control with the other ships of her flotilla on 1 October 1862, Carondelet continued the rapid pace of her operations, taking part in the unsuccessful Steele's Bayou Expedition in March 1863.

One of those to pass the Vicksburg and Warrenton, Mississippi batteries in April 1863, Carondelet took part on 29 April in the five-and-a-half-hour engagement with the batteries at Grand Gulf. She remained on duty off Vicksburg, bombarding the city in its long siege from May to July. Without her and her sisters and other naval forces, the great operations on the rivers would not have been possible and the Federal victory might not have been won.

From 7 March to 15 May 1864, she sailed with the Red River Expedition, and during operations in support of Union Army movements ashore, took part in the Bell's Mill engagement (part of the Franklin-Nashville Campaign) of December 1864. For the remainder of the war, Carondelet patrolled in the Cumberland River.

Commanding Officers
Carondelet had several commanding officers over the duration of her service.

During the Civil War four of Carondelet's crew members were awarded the Medal of Honor: Signal Quartermaster Matthew Arther for actions at the Battles of Fort Henry and Fort Donelson, February 1862; Seaman John Dorman for actions in various engagements; Fireman Michael Huskey, for actions during Steele's Bayou Expedition, March 1863; and Coxswain John G. Morrison, for actions in the engagement with CSS Arkansas, 15 July 1862.

Post-war decommissioning and sale
She was decommissioned at Mound City, Illinois, on 20 June 1865, and sold there on 29 November 1865.

Subsequent career and sinking
In 1873, shortly before she was to be scrapped, a flood swept Carondelet from her moorings in Gallipolis, Ohio. She then drifted approximately 130 miles down the Ohio River, where she grounded near Manchester, Ohio. Her ultimate fate remained unknown until a May 1982 search operation by Clive Cussler's National Underwater and Marine Agency pinpointed the location of the wreckage, just two days after a dredge passed directly over the wreckage, demolishing most of the wrecked vessel.

Armament
Like many of the Mississippi theatre ironclads, USS Carondelet had its armament changed multiple times over life of the vessel. To expedite the entrance of Carondelet into service, she and the other City-class gunboats were fitted with whatever weapons were available; then had their weapons upgraded as new pieces became available. Though the 8 in Dahlgren smoothbore cannons were fairly modern most of the other original armaments were antiquated; such as the 32-pounders, or modified; such as the 42-pounder "rifles" which were in fact, old smoothbores that had been gouged out to give them rifling. These 42-pounder weapons were of particular concern to military commanders because they were structurally weaker and more prone to exploding than purpose-built rifled cannons. Additionally, the close confines of riverine combat greatly increased the threat of boarding parties. The 12-pounder howitzer was equipped to address that concern and was not used in regular combat.

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Lewisham, New South Wales

Lewisham is a suburb in the Inner West of Sydney, in the state of New South Wales, Australia. Lewisham is located 7 kilometres south-west of the Sydney central business district, in the local government area of Inner West Council.

History
Lewisham took its name in 1834 from the estate of Joshua Frey Josephson, a German-born businessman who would later become mayor of Sydney. The estate was named after the London borough of Lewisham, which means Leofsa's village or manor.

The original residents of the Lewisham area were the Wangal clan of the Darug tribe. Artefacts found near the Cooks River indicate at least 7,000 years of habitation in the local area. When the First Fleet arrived in 1788, the settlers set up camp in the middle of Cadigal territory. While the first governor Arthur Phillip tried to establish cordial relations with the Cadigals and their neighbours, the two groups were competing for the same food sources and tensions inevitably developed. In 1789, a smallpox epidemic wiped out the majority of the Cadigals. By 1809, all the land within Lewisham had been granted.

Heritage listings
Lewisham has a number of heritage-listed sites, including:
 * Great Southern and Western railway: Long Cove Creek railway viaducts, Lewisham
 * The Boulevarde: Lewisham Sewer Vent
 * over Long Cove Creek: Lewisham Sewage Aqueduct

Transport
Lewisham railway station is on the Inner West & Leppington Line of the Sydney Trains network. This provides access to Sydney CBD, the interchange station of Strathfield and the commercial centres of Burwood, Newtown and Parramatta.

Lewisham is notable in railway history as the termination point for the first train journey in the NSW colony in 1855, although the railway station was not built until 1885. The whipple truss bridge over Long Cove Creek was constructed 1885-1886 featuring North American technology developed by Squire Whipple. It is probably the most significant railway bridge site in Australia, certainly in NSW. It has the unique distinction of four different types of bridges from different eras. Engineers Australia designated the Viaduct in 1994 as an historic engineering marker.

There are two stations serving Lewisham on the Inner West Light Rail. These are Lewisham West, adjacent to the former flour mill on the border with Summer Hill, and Taverners Hill, near Parramatta Road. Access to the city is quicker by conventional train, but the light rail may be used for some cross-regional journeys. It also interchanges with Dulwich Hill railway station on the Bankstown Line.

The 413 bus service, between Campsie and the city, cuts through the middle of Lewisham and provides an interchange with the railway station. Several bus services (461 - Burwood to the city, 480 & 483 - Strathfield to the city) run along Parramatta Road. These interchange with the Taverners Hill stop. The other bus corridor is along New Canterbury Rd. This is served by the 428/L28 from Canterbury to the city via Newtown and route 445 from Campsie to Balmain.

Schools
A Trinity Grammar School Infants School was opened in February 2006 at 5 Thomas Street, Lewisham. The site was formerly Saint Thomas Becket Primary School which was founded in 1855 by the Sisters of Mercy. The school was originally for girls but became co-ed in the 1950s. Christian Brothers' High School is located on 58 - 61 The Boulevarde. Lewisham Public School is located on 71 The Boulevarde Lewisham. Petersham Public School is on the border of Lewisham and Petersham, the John Berne School (formerly the Berne Education Centre) and the Catholic Intensive English Centre are located on the site of the former St Thomas Boys High School, which closed in 1997.

Churches
Saint Thomas Becket's Catholic church is located in Thomas Street. The current priest is Fr. Gerald Gleeson. The Servants of Mary Help of Christians operated its Marian Centre from St Thomas Becket Primary School Hall. It is now at 2 Missenden Rd, Camperdown, NSW 2049, operating from St. Joseph's church.

Lewisham is also the home of the Maternal Heart of Mary Latin Mass Parish, a Personal Parish for the celebration of the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite, of which Fr Duncan Wong FSSP is the Parish Priest. The church is situated behind St Thomas Becket's, on Charles O'Neill Way.

Demographics
Lewisham's population was shown as 3,164 in the and had risen to 4,060 in the 2021 census.

According to the, Lewisham had a population of 2927. The character of its population was different from neighbouring suburbs, by having a smaller proportion of residents born overseas. After Australia, the most common countries of birth were England (4.0%), New Zealand (2.5%) and Portugal (1.8%). There were also a reasonable number of Greek (3.2%), and Portuguese (2.3%) speakers, who were the most common languages in the area after English. Indigenous Australians numbered 32 people (1.1%) which was less than the state and national figures.

The population had a greater proportion of people in de facto relationships and a smaller proportion of people in registered marriages than the New South Wales and Australian figures. It had a greater proportion of people stating that they had no religion (33.4%) but fewer Anglicans (9.5%) than the state and national figures, while the proportion of Roman Catholics (25.9%) was lower than New South Wales (27.5%) but slightly higher than the national figures (25.3%).

Notable residents

 * Clive Caldwell (1910–1994), World War II air ace
 * Les Haylen (1898–1977), author and politician, he was the local federal member of parliament from 1943-1963.
 * John Shand (1897–1959), Sydney barrister from the 1920s to the 1950s who took on a number of very high-profile cases of the day.
 * Mother Xavier (1870–1938) who was head of the Little Company of Mary (1899–1929) which ran Lewisham Hospital and helped make it one of the top hospitals in Sydney.
 * Patrick Joseph Hartigan, bush poet, who wrote under the pseudonym "John O'Grady".
 * Percy Hordern (1864–1926), a member of the New South Wales Legislative Council died in Lewisham.

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Mayor of Galway

The office of Mayor of Galway is an honorific title used by the Cathaoirleach of Galway City Council. The council has jurisdiction throughout its administrative area of the city of Galway which is the largest city in the province of Connacht, in Ireland. The current mayor is Peter Keane, (FF).

Election to the office
The Mayor is elected to office annually by Councillors of Galway City Council from amongst its members. There is no popular vote. Up to 1841, Mayors were elected in August and took office in September. There was a strong tradition of festivities to mark this start of a new municipal year. Current practice is for the term of office to begin in June with the former Mayor presenting the Chain of Office to the incoming Mayor, thus formally inaugurating a new term. The process is repeated the following June, unless the same person is given a second consecutive term.

History of the office
The office was originally established by a charter issued by King Richard III of England in December 1484 and had significant powers. The office has existed, with a break of ninety-seven years, since it was inaugurated in 1485. The Mayor led Galway Corporation from 1485 to 1841 and again from 1937 to 2001.

Prior to the creation of the mayoralty, the town of Galway was ruled by a Provost or Sovereign, who was appointed by the Earl of Ulster. After the murder of the 3rd Earl in June 1333, the town was under the control of successive members of the Clanricarde line of the House of Burke family. This situation lasted until well into the 15th century. However, charters from Richard II (in 1396) and Edward IV (in 1464) gave the citizens of the town semi-independence from the Clanricardes.

The office of Mayor of Galway was created by a charter issued by King Richard III of England in December 1484 at the solicitation of merchants from the city's leading families, known as the Tribes of Galway. This made Galway a virtual city-state. Although it survived the turbulent 17th century, the massive corruption of the office led to its disestablishment in 1841, when Galway Corporation was relegated to the status of an urban district council, headed by a chairman. In 1937 the city regained its corporation status and the office of Mayor was re-installed.

The office was all but abolished under the Local Government Act 2001. All that remains of the office, per section 11 of the Act is a symbolic role: "Subject to this Act, royal charters and letters patent relating to local authorities shall continue to apply for ceremonial and related purposes in accordance with local civic tradition but shall otherwise cease to have effect.". The Act goes on to state the chairman of the Council must be styled the Cathaoirleach and that "Any reference in any other enactment to the lord mayor, mayor, chairman, deputy lord mayor, deputy mayor or vice-chairman or cognate words shall, where the context so requires, be read as a reference to the Cathaoirleach or Leas-Chathaoirleach or other title standing for the time being." (section 31 (3)).

List of mayors

 * List of mayors of Galway (from 1485)

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Down to Earth (Ozzy Osbourne album)

Down to Earth is the eighth studio album by English heavy metal singer Ozzy Osbourne. Released on 16 October 2001, it reached number 19 on the UK Albums Chart and number four on the US Billboard 200. "The Ozzfest was doing well", Osbourne explained. "I just wanted to be like the Grateful Dead and keep it going by touring, but the record company said they'd like a new Ozzy album."

Down to Earth spawned just two singles, although both reached the top ten of the US Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks chart and the top 40 of the Canadian Singles Chart, and reached number 18 on the UK Singles Chart.

Excluding his contributions to re-recordings of Ozzy's earlier material, Down to Earth is the only Osbourne studio album to feature bassist Robert Trujillo, who left to join Metallica in 2003. It was the first Osbourne album to feature drummer Mike Bordin, previously of Faith No More, though he had played live with Osbourne since 1996, as well as the last to feature guitarist Zakk Wylde until 2007's Black Rain. Though he plays on the album, Wylde did not contribute as a songwriter for the first time since joining Osbourne's band in 1988, because many of the songs were written before Wylde rejoined the band. Osbourne's previous guitarist Joe Holmes was involved in the writing and Osbourne chose to use outside songwriters such as producer Tim Palmer and Aerosmith collaborator Marti Frederiksen.

"Working with Tim on this album reminded me of [late guitarist] Randy [Rhoads]", Ozzy remarked of Palmer. "If it hadn't been for him, there wouldn't have been an album ... He has incredible patience, just like Randy."

Allegedly, the Weezer song Hash Pipe was slated for this album. Ozzy approached that band's vocalist, Rivers Cuomo, for song ideas, and Hash Pipe was one of them, however, Osbourne did not use the song, and Weezer included it on their Green Album instead.

Personnel

 * Primary musicians
 * Ozzy Osbourne – vocals
 * Zakk Wylde – guitars
 * Robert Trujillo – bass
 * Mike Bordin – drums

 * Additional musicians
 * Tim Palmer – rhythm guitar, acoustic guitar, keyboards, military drums, backing vocals, production, mixing
 * Michael Railo – keyboards, string arrangements, backing vocals
 * Danny Saber – additional guitars on "Alive"
 * Production and artwork personnel

 * Mark Dearnley – engineering, mixing
 * Jamie Sickora – engineering assistance
 * Alex Uychocde – mixing assistance
 * John Porter – Pro Tools engineering
 * Stephen Marcussen – mastering
 * Stewart Whitmore – digital editing
 * David Coleman – art direction
 * Nitin Vadukul – photography

Certifications

 * +Certifications for Down to Earth by Ozzy Osbourne

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Dulwich Hill

Dulwich Hill is a suburb in the Inner West of Sydney, in the state of New South Wales, Australia. It is 7.5 kilometres south-west of the Sydney central business district, in the local government area of Inner West Council. Dulwich Hill stretches south to the shore of the Cooks River.

History
The suburb takes its name from the area of Dulwich in London. The name Dulwich Hill appears in Sands Directory of 1892. It had been known by several different names prior to this. Following European settlement, it was called Petersham Hill. It later took the name Wardell's Bush, a reference to Dr Robert Wardell, one of the area's early landowners. Other names the area was given were South Petersham and Fern Hill. The area became part of Sydney's expanding tram network in 1889 and, like many suburbs in the inner-west, experienced rapid growth in the early twentieth century. As a consequence, the suburb has a large number of examples of Australian Federation architecture. It also features examples of Edwardian, Gothic and Italianate architecture. The tramway ran up until 1957.

Listed on the Register of the National Estate is the former public school in Seaview Street, which now operates as the Dulwich Hill High School of Visual Arts and Design. The building was designed by W.E.Kemp in the Romanesque style and built circa 1892. Situated in the same street is the former location of the Dulwich Hill Library, a converted cottage in the Victorian Gothic style.

Commercial area
Dulwich Hill features two shopping areas, a small number of shops on Wardell Road near Dulwich Hill railway station and the main shopping area around the northern end of Marrickville Road and its intersection with New Canterbury Road. The Marrickville Road shopping area centred on the former tram line (now replaced by buses), and continues onto New Canterbury Road. Cafés and restaurants have become popular as the suburb becomes gentrified. Marrickville Council upgraded the shopping strip in the early 2000s, enhancing the look and character of the area. Dulwich Hill has a library (a branch of Marrickville Library and the Inner West Library Service) and a post office, but was never chartered a town hall or police station (the nearest is Marrickville Local Area Command).

Education
Dulwich Hill contains three primary schools: Dulwich Hill Public School in Kintore Street, St Maroun's College in Wardell Road and St Paul of the Cross, a Catholic school in New Canterbury Road, as well as one secondary school, Dulwich High School of Visual Arts & Design in Seaview Street. Dulwich High School was the first Visual Arts School in Australia.

Notable graduates of the high school include former Parramatta rugby league coach Terry Fearnley, tennis player Phil Dent and opera singer Yvonne Minton, while former rugby league referee Jack Danzey taught there.

Tram history
Until the late 1950s, when the local tramway system was closed, electric trams ran to Dulwich Hill and the Cooks River from Circular Quay. The line to Dulwich Hill branched from the Cooks River line at Newtown, turning off King Street into Enmore Road, travelling through Marrickville and Dulwich Hill, via Victoria and Marrickville Roads. A tram tuning loop was provided at the Canterbury Road terminus.

Modern transport
Modern public transport to the area comprises one railway station, four light rail stops and several bus routes.

Dulwich Hill railway station is located on Wardell Road, in the southern part of the suburb. The station is serviced by the Bankstown Line of the Sydney Trains network which provides reasonably frequent services to the Sydney CBD and south-western suburbs.

The Inner West Light Rail includes four stations located in the suburb. These are - Dulwich Hill (adjacent to the railway station), Dulwich Grove (between New Canterbury Road and Hercules Street), Arlington (adjacent to Johnson Park near Constitution Road) and Waratah Mills (near Davis Street). Access to the city is quicker by the heavy rail Bankstown Line, but the light rail may be used for some cross-regional journeys. The service also interchanges with Lewisham railway station on the Inner West & Leppington Line.

The 426, 428 and 412 routes provide bus connections between Dulwich Hill and the Sydney CBD. The 426 is the suburb's main bus route, starting at the corner of Marrickville and New Canterbury Roads and running along Marrickville Road towards Marrickville. The 428 service runs from Canterbury station along New Canterbury Road towards Petersham. Both routes merge at Enmore and proceed to the city via King Street, Newtown. The 412 runs from Campsie to the city. It comes up Wardell Road, passing Dulwich Hill railway station, before running along the south side of the railway and proceeding up Livingstone Road towards Marrickville and Petersham. In the CBD, all routes proceed up Elizabeth Street and terminate at Martin Place.

Other routes serving the suburb are the 445, 418 and 425. The 445 routes run from Campsie station to Balmain via Leichhardt, following the same route as the 428 through Dulwich Hill. The 418 between Bondi Junction and Burwood via Ashfield follows the same route as 426 between Marrickville and Dulwich Hill shops, before swinging on to New Canterbury Road, and then south to Hurlstone Park Station. The 425 follows the same route as the 426 to Marrickville, before heading to Tempe. It only operates during daytime hours on weekdays and Saturdays. All routes are operated by Transit Systems.

Demographics
According to the 2016 census there were 13,715 people in Dulwich Hill. 58.7% of people were born in Australia. The most common other countries of birth were England 3.4%, Greece 3.1%, New Zealand 2.2%, Vietnam 2.1% and Philippines 1.6%. 61.1% of people only spoke English at home. Other languages spoken at home included Greek 5.6%, Arabic 3.2%, Vietnamese 2.9%, Portuguese 2.4% and Spanish 2.0%. The most common responses for religion were No Religion 37.3% and Catholic 23.8%, Not stated 10.6%, Eastern Orthodox 7.4% and Anglican 6.2%.

Of occupied private dwellings in Dulwich Hill, 54.0% were flat or apartments, 31.0% were separate houses, 11.3% were semi-detached and 3.1% were other dwellings.

Notable people

 * Leisel Jones, Olympic swimmer
 * Queenie Paul, vaudeville entertainer
 * Joe Hildebrand-Journalist
 * William Shakespeare, singer

Governance
Dulwich Hill is primarily located in the federal electoral division of Grayndler, currently held by Anthony Albanese, of the Australian Labor Party (ALP), who was last re-elected in the 2007 General Election and has been named as the leader of the Labor party after its defeat in the election. The seat of Grayndler has been held continuously by the ALP since it was proclaimed in 1949. The section of Dulwich Hill south of the railway line is in the federal electoral division of Barton held by Linda Burney, of the Australian Labor Party (ALP), the first Aboriginal woman elected to the House of Reprentatives.

At the state level, Dulwich Hill is located in the electoral district of Summer Hill, which has been held by Labor's Jo Haylen since its creation at the 2015 election.

At the local level, Dulwich Hill is part of the Inner West Council, established in 2015. Prior to 2015, it was part of Marrickville Council, one of three councils that were amalgamated to form Inner West Council.

Sport and recreation
Arlington Recreation Ground in Williams Parade is home to the Dulwich Hill FC soccer club, which plays in the NSW Super League, the second tier of senior soccer in Sydney, and also the Stanmore Hawks soccer club which plays in the NSW State League Division One, the third tier.

Residential
A number of residential subdivisions in Dulwich Hill occurred in the early 20th century, and include well preserved Federation and Interwar era houses. These include, for example the Abelgeldie Estate in the northwest as well as the area around Hoskins Park, which are protected as heritage conservation areas. The former freight line, now light rail line, runs north-south through Dulwich Hill, and is the centre of an area formerly of industrial use, now mostly converted to medium density residential flats.

Churches
The area is served by several religious organisations, including Anglican, Catholic, Greek Orthodox and Salvation Army churches.

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November 2006 - Rick Joyner was in my home in 1972 and from that day to this I know of no stain against his name. If people do not agree, that is a valid opinion, but it is only opinion. Truth must be based on something more substantial. If Rick's teaching or behavior does not suit - go to church elsewhere - it is that simple.

Furthermore, one man's cult is another man's established religion. In China if you practice Christianity outside of State-imposed guidelines, you can be jailed, tortured, or worse. There is some good advice in the Bible on this topic. Gamaliel, a well-known Jewish teacher said that if someone was up-and-up, he (or she) would endure, and if not, they would quickly evaporate from the scene. Always give truth time to validate itself one way or the other. By Headguerilla.

Rick Joyner's church has yet again changed its name, this time to "Every Nation". I would suggest we need to make more of a comment about the cult accusations surrounding this 'movement'. --144.138.162.221 03:09, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * An encyclopedia article should be unbiased, but I agree a mention of the cult accusations could be acceptable in this case. Does anyone know about this enough to add something to the article? Malachi456 03:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think User:144.138.162.221 might be confused. The Every Nation website  has no mention of Rick Joyner as its founder.  There is a comment on this by another wikipedia user (see below).  --Nathaniel 05:14, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Rick Joyner did not change the name of his church. Another group located in Nashville called Morning Star changed its name to Every Nation so it would not be confused with Morningstar under Joyner.

Yes, Rick Joyner's ministry is still called Morningstar - this is his website Malachi456 02:40, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the reference to the "cult group" founded by Rick Joyner in the 1970's would look a little bit less suspicious if a citation were given. Barring that, I think that this might be a warning sign for a neutrality disupte.

i was a member of a church that split because the new pastor only taught out of books by joyner. i don't trust him because he focuses far to much on his own revelation and not enough on the focus of christianity.. the bible. --- focus_on_time

 * Hi focus ... Actually, the reason Joyner has given for opening his own publishing company was because most mainstream publishing houses would not let him insert as much scripture into his book as he wished to. If you read his books & articles you will see that they are FILLED with scriptural references that back up his revelations and teachings. He also teaches that no revelation can contradict scripture.

I agree. Unless there is any evidence it is quite an allegation to say that a mainstream church leader ran a cultic group. As suggested I have put up a neutrality warning sign

Ah, "neutrality disputed" seems a little tricky, when we are discussing issues involving Christian ministry, where belief systems must come into play. Do we think there can be neutral ground?

There are people who will be pro and anti all Christian ministries, and I think it is acceptable to present these arguments if they are prefaced with "Critics say..." or "Followers claim..." etc, and still have an article with a NPOV. Malachi456 09:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Cite your sources, attribute your statements, and I think you will be ok. Even if a particular Christian disagrees with a particular doctrinal statement (God is X, Joyner is Y), they would be hard pressed to disagree with a bracketed statement (Tom Brokaw says "God is X",Time magazine says, "Joyner is Y"). Citing sources and attributing statements makes controversial statements more neutral. This from me, someone who knows almost nothing about Joyner. MPS 22:00, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

There are two problems that people have with Rick.

1) He is part of the christian prophetic movement, which by its nature is wonky theology for many christian denominations

The prophetic movement went through some real tough times in the 80s, but (to my knowledge) Rick is one of the key members who has never become embroiled in anything close to scandal.

2) He preaches against "watchman ministries" and christian cult watchers.

Because of this, those two groups say he is against discernment. This is not true, he is very pro-discernment, but he teaches that christians shouldn't be focused on darkness. I could go into more detail, but suffice it to say, the accusation is made by people who feel they are doing a very important job and he attacks it.

To a Protestant, Catholicsm is anti-christ. To a Catholic, Protestants are a corruption of the One True Church. Thats the kind of thing thats going on here, accusations of "cult" have no basis in fact. 70.52.110.58 14:43, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Chat
Hi! I would like to chat to someone about Rick Joyner. I am currently reading The Vision by Rick Joyner and finding it a blessing, and am open to believing that his prophetic gift is real. If anyone is interested, please email me or reply on my talk page. Cheers, Colin MacLaurin 17:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Multiple Issues
I hardly know where to begin. This article violates so many policies and standards it practically needs a re-write, if it even qualifies as being notable. For now, I only have the time to insert the relevant tags.  Jim Reed  (Talk)  03:44, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Oh, he's notable now: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/republicanlinked-religiou_b_4031453.html Kortoso (talk) 20:03, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Early Ministry /Aviation
In his books Rick mentions his difficult beginnings as a pastor. So much so, that he quit and went back to being a pilot, starting his own business in the presumption that if he ever went back into ministry he would never need to ask for an offering (God, however was not amused). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.209.119.89 (talk) 02:27, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

contest prod
The guy's notable, the article just needs a deep revert, which I'm about to do, to remove the tons of spam. He got a ton of coverage in real newspapers over the last two years for buying Jim and Tammy's old theme park, tearing stuff down, and suing everyone in sight. Also other coverage from before that. He'd pass an AfD easily I believe, although you'd certainly not know it from this article.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:16, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

OK, I've added enough to show it would pass an AfD. There's tons more, but it's getting tedious. Will get back to it later. Now let's just keep our eyes on it, make sure it doesn't go back to promo-spam-world.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 20:05, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, local newspapers don't really demonstrate the kind of notability that would guarantee passage at AfD, but the article does look presentable now. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:08, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

 * The Charlotte Observer isn't a local newspaper. It's the paper of record for both the Carolinas.  You might as well call the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, e.g.,  a local newspaper.  The Winston-Salem Journal is also a major regional paper.  We're not talking about local papers, which I intentionally didn't use.  Try to make the argument that the Charlotte Observer doesn't demonstrate notability at AfD and see how that goes.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 21:18, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

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Theology Section
In regards to Dominion Theology, the former author had posted this definition: “the involvement in and eventual takeover of civil government by Christians.”

According to the source that was referenced, Wagner, Dominion Theology means “Christians are expected to infiltrate social structures at all levels, and once there, use their influence to inculcate biblical biblical values throughout their society.” See http://books.google.com/books?id=ZnIWSLhkZtgC&pg=PA161#v=onepage&q&f=false A “takeover of civil government” sounds like a military maneuver. The words infiltrate and influence are the accurate wording used in this article and should reflect on this page. If the former editor can find a source for Dominion Theology referencing Christian’s taking over the government, please cite WP:V.MrsRainbows (talk) 18:35, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

 * Huh, but you left out the "infiltrate" part in your edit, and you seem to be ignoring the author's long quote from Peter Wagner about Dominion theology: "Our divine mandate is to do whatever is necessary, by the power of the Holy Spirit, to retake the dominion of God's creation which Adam forfeited to Satan in the Garden of Eden. It is nothing less than seeing God's kingdom coming and His will being done on earth as it is in heaven."  The author states that Joyner would express himself similarly.  Now, we can't quote the entire statement from the source, and yet we must somehow get across the idea, clearly supported by the source, that dominion theology advocates for Christians to "infiltrate social structures at all levels and, once there, use their influence to inculcate biblical values throughout their society" and that this process is an attempt to "retake the dominion of God's creation."  Furthermore the same source goes on to note that followers of dominion theology adopt the "Calvinistic concept of divine sovereignty that was to be exercised over state, society, and church...The de facto establishment of God's dominion was considered imperative."  How does that not support the characterisation of dominionism as including "a takeover of civil government"?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:23, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

While I understand your idea of finding a contextual meaning, I think could be easy to misunderstand the “whatever means necessary” statement by using the words "take over." But that phrase is followed with, “according to the Holy Spirit.” In order to understand contextually that author's statement as a whole you must understand the context and character of the Holy Spirit. Since it’s not necessary that we understand the Holy Spirit or Christianity as editors, we should mention it in the definition, as not to skew the meaning.

I suggest we try to stick as close to the terms that are mentioned in the text instead of contextually trying to understand them ourselves. As the source states the term, dominion theology, can be used in many different ways and has been “controversial” and “not well-defined” at times. This should lead us to error on the side of caution as this is a living person. WP:BLP

As you mentioned, I did not add the word infiltrate mainly because I was trying to keep the definition short so the reader would have an idea. Perhaps you would be agreeable to this new phrase as a contextual definition:

which advocates “whatever means necessary according to the Holy Spirit” to infiltrate and influence civil government.

I believe this is an accurate, non-biased and truthful contextual phrase according to this particular source. It includes some key words mentioned in several of the descriptions of dominion theology. What do you think? MrsRainbows (talk) 16:04, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

 * Well, I think you're dodging the question of the fact that the source cited says that dominion theologists consider the de facto establishment of God's dominion to be imperative. Also I think that your sentence makes very little sense, and I think that your idea that we should "stick as close to the terms that are mentioned in the text instead of contextually trying to understand them ourselves" is pretty much a failure to understand how Wikipedia is written.  The source is very clear in saying that dominion theology includes a takeover of civil government by Christians.  Do you actually deny this?  Should I add some of the zillion other sources on this subject, like e.g., , , and so on and on and on?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:21, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Edits of this date
Edit aims were to establish a more standard structure of the article, to make clear where new materials should be added, and then to begin to improve the quality of sourcing of the article. Progress was made on both accounts, though for now, the addition of sections makes clear how absolutely lean the article is with regard to sourced, encyclopedic content. In the editing, I removed a recent mobile edit that added month and day of birth, but did so without a source. This is in part what I mean, when I say the aim is to set the stage for additional encyclopedic edits. Inexperieced editors tend to follow suit, and so I have tried to create patterns of improved citations, so the article does not become a place for text dumping, by mobile or other edits. Finally, in importing information from the Todd Bentley article, the aim was not to introduce any bias or perspective. I have none on the matter. I was simply struck by the length of material mentioning Joyner at that article, and noted that none of it was mentioned here, and so I summarised that much longer material, from the Bentley article, here, importing and checking and correcting those sources. The result is well sourced material added to the article.

If I knew how, I would add a tag to the opening of this article that provides the tools that appear in, because what this article needs is attention from a good, general biographer, using new published sources to fill in the background on this notable/newsworthy figure. Finally, see also next new section. Cheers, and bonne chance, joyeux Noël. Le Prof 73.210.155.96 (talk) 05:55, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Published works
An earlier edit war from an apparent pair of sock puppet editors associated with the title subject's ministry resulted in a period of editing only by admins, and reversion of all the added information, which was all unsourced, or from non-independet (self-published) sources. One potential loss from this—there are others, as the title subject's colleagues may indeed know better things about them, for instance his DOB and the years that the individual served in the US Navy—was the list of his published works. I reproduce them here—see also here, as a source for checking and addition, slowly to the article, in the section I created earlier to do so. (I will try to add one before I take holiday.)"There Were Two Trees in the Garden (Jan 1, 1986)

The Harvest Trilogy (1989)

The Passover (Dec 1989)

The World Aflame: The Welsh Revival Lessons for Our Times (Sep 1993)

Leadership, Management and the Five Essentials for Success (Jan 1994)

Mobilizing the Army of God (Jan 1996)

Overcoming the Religious Spirit (Combating Spiritual Strongholds Series) (Jun 1996)

Overcoming Witchcraft (Combating Spiritual Strongholds) (Jun 1996)

Three Witnesses (Hall of Faith) (Jan 30, 1997)

The Fire That Could Not Die: The Story of the Azusa Street Revival (Hall of Faith Series) (Jan 30, 1997)

Surpassing Greatness of His Power (Mar 1997)

Courage that Changed the World (Hall of Faith Series) (June 1, 1997)

"Prophetic Vision for the 21st Century: A Spiritual Map to Help You Navigate Into the Future'' (Oct 25, 1999)

Shadows of Things to Come: A Prophetic Look at God's Unfolding Plan (Apr 10, 2001)

Breaking the Power of Evil: Winning the Battle for the Soul of Man (Oct 1, 2002)

Overcoming Evil in the Last Days (Jan 23, 2003)

Overcoming Confusion (Combating Spiritual Strongholds Series) (Aug 1, 2003)

Overcoming Fear (Combating Spiritual Strongholds Series) (Aug 1, 2003)

Overcoming Racism (Combating Spiritual Strongholds) (Aug 1, 2003)

Overcoming the Accuser (Combating Spiritual Strongholds Series) (Aug 1, 2003)

Courage That Changed the World (Hall of Faith Series) (Aug 2003)

50 Days for a Firm Foundation (50 Day Devotional) (Aug 1, 2003)

A Message to the Glorious Church, Vol. 1: A Verse by Verse Study of Ephesians, Chapters 1-4 (Sep 2003)

A Message to the Glorious Church: A Verse by Verse Study of Ephesians Chapters 5-6 (Volume 2) (Dec 2003)

Delivered from Evil: Preparing for the Age to Come (Aug 2004)

Overcoming the Spirit of Jezebel Audiobook (Sep 1, 2005) by Rick Joyner, Steve Thompson and Francis Frangipane

The Final Quest (Jan 31, 2006)

The Torch and the Sword (Jan 31, 2006)

The Call (Jan 31, 2006)

There Were Two Trees in the Garden (Jan 31, 2006)

The Prophetic Ministry (Jan 31, 2006)

The Journey Begins (Jan 31, 2006)

The Power to Change the World: The Welsh and Azusa Street Revivals (Mar 5, 2006)

The Overcoming Life (Apr 15, 2006)

Epic Battles of the Last Days (May 30, 2006)

The Apostolic Ministry (Jun 1, 2006)

Commissioning (Jan 1, 2007) by Harvest Sound feat. Rick Joyner and Bob Jones

The Harvest (Aug 1, 2007)

When God Walked the Earth (Aug 1, 2007)

Breaking the Power of Evil Expanded Edition with Study Guide (Mar 1, 2008)

Leadership: Power of a Creative Life (Apr 1, 2008)

Visions of the Harvest (Aug 1, 2008)

Taking the Land; Part One (Dec 24, 2008)

Church History; The First Century (Aug 21, 2009)

Unshakable Faith: A 50-Day Journey (Nov 1, 2009)

An Enduring Vision (Apr 1, 2010)

A Prophetic History, Part 1 (Apr 1, 2010)

Overcoming the Spirit of Poverty (Combatting Spiritual Strongholds) (Aug 29, 2010)

Wisdom From Rick Joyner (Sep 1, 2010)

I See A New America (Apr 6, 2011)

Visions of the Harvest, 25th Anniversary Edition (Mar 1, 2012)

The Gospel of Matthew (Jan 1, 2013)

The World On Fire (Jan 2, 2013)

The Book of Acts, The MorningStar Vision Bible (2013)

Paul’s Letter to the Romans, The MorningStar Vision Bible (2013)

Paul’s Letters to the Corinthians, The MorningStar Vision Bible (2013)

The Path (Fire on the Mountain Series) (2013)"

There is every reason to suspect this is in largest part an accurate list. (As a published scientist, I know my published work better than any other person—who else really cares as much?) But what must be done, is the publications must be independently verified. Hence, placing them here allows for that process to take place. I urge editors who care about this article, to consider this material, and other material removed in the reversion, here, for other elements, which might, with research, result in sources and further quality additions to the article. Cheers, joyeux Noël. Le Prof 73.210.155.96 (talk) 06:06, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Confusing Theology subsection
The subsection 'Confusing Theology in Rick Joyner's Books About His Visions' in the 'Controversy' section claims that these books contain statements that are confusing or mix new age thinking with christian theology. It the provides a list of quotes "to inspire discussion". While the individual quotes in the list are sourced to the locations in Joyner's books, where the list as a whole comes from is not sourced. There is no description of how or why these quotes mix religious doctrines or references to such, rather "it is up to readers to make their own personal opinions about this". The composition of the list and the criticism appears to be original research, and without further explanation of the criticisms or a reference to such criticisms it's not fit for an encyclopedia. JanKanis (talk) 00:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Benjamin Roy marriage
Hi I would like to be the best man at Benjamin Roys upcoming wedding please let me know what Next for me and the plan of my life I am truly grateful to the Lord 2601:19C:5280:1C50:7492:2E97:29CF:B673 (talk) 02:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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