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Clock King

The Clock King is the name of three supervillains appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics. The first Clock King debuted in World's Finest Comics #111 (August 1960), and was created by France Herron and Lee Elias.

The Clock King, primarily William Tockman, have appeared in several media adaptations, such as Batman (1966), portrayed by Walter Slezak; and Arrowverse TV series, portrayed by Robert Knepper. Additionally, an original incarnation, Temple Fugate, appears in shows set in the DC Animated Universe, voiced by Alan Rachins.

Publication history
The first Clock King was originally an enemy of Green Arrow. He has no superpowers or abilities. He wears a clock mask, a cape, and a blue suit with clock drawings on it.

Clock King is a master planner and sometimes uses clock-themed gadgetry. The Clock King became better known more recently by his appearances in Justice League International and Suicide Squad.

William Tockman
Born William Tockman, the Clock King spends his early years taking care of his invalid sister. During one day, he finds out from a doctor's visit that he himself only has six months to live. Despairing for his sister's future, he watches the timing of a local bank's vault to rob it, hoping the money would provide for his sister after he was gone. His caper would have gone successfully, had he not tripped a silent alarm and been caught by Green Arrow.

While he is incarcerated, his sister dies alone. In further and hideous irony, Tockman discovers that he really is not terminally ill; his doctor had accidentally switched his papers with those of another patient. Infuriated, he escapes, later futilely attempting revenge on both Green Arrow and the incompetent doctor.

With several other villains, the Clock King becomes a member of the Injustice League, a team of out-of-luck supervillains who, when banding together, become even less successful than they have been in their individual careers. The Injustice League is defeated time and again by the Justice League International, at least when they are not making laughingstocks of themselves. Trying to reform, the members later become the core of the equally laughable hero team Justice League Antarctica. This JLA includes G'Nort, who ends up saving the lives of the entire team. Like his compatriots, Clock King becomes an ardent supporter of Maxwell Lord, partly due to the fact he is the only one willing to hire them. His group even guards Lord when he is incapacitated by a bullet wound. The villains again later reunite as the Injustice League as henchmen of Sonar.

Later, the Clock King leads his own separate team of villains in a mission. They consist of Radiant, Sharpe, Acidia, and Crackle. They are not as well-organized as even the Injustice League. For example, Crackle still lives with his mother and they have to take the bus to their fight. It takes place at a Metropolis toy store. They end up fighting one of the many incarnations of the Teen Titans, the heroes Booster Gold and Firehawk and DEO agent Cameron Chase. An unclear super-effect from Chase ultimately neutralizes Clock King's team and they are all imprisoned. Clock King himself escapes on another bus.

Still later, Clock King and his Injustice League friends are transformed into the new Suicide Squad. They are sent to a remote research facility where a genetic monstrosity is holding its creator hostage. Its main defenses are spawned "children" that could explode. During the mission, most of the team are seemingly killed, including Clock King, who is shot repeatedly in a retreat attempt. He is seen still alive after his brutal wounds but, in the end, Major Disaster believes he is the only one who survives. It turns out Cluemaster, shot in a similar manner as Clock King, survives, albeit with drastic scarring. Multi-Man also survives due to his ability to be reborn with new powers after dying.

Clock King is not seen for a period of time after Infinite Crisis. In an issue of 52, one character decides to kill all the time-travelers, and mentions someone "ending up like Time Commander and Clock Queen".

Tem
A new Clock King appears in Teen Titans #56 as the head of a team of villains named the Terror Titans. In an interview with Teen Titans writer Sean McKeever, he described this Clock King as "... Very smart. He sees things differently than others". His costume is similar to the suit worn by the Clock King seen in Batman: The Animated Series, although lacking a hat and having clock faces on his tie. Also evocative of the Animated Series, Disruptor refers to him as "Tem" before being killed; After his group defeats and captures Kid Devil, Clock King conditions the hero to be sold as a fighter to a group called "The Dark Side Club". Clock King then brings the Titans to his base of operations, a dimension outside of time. After besting Robin, Clock King is stymied by Ravager, who possesses similar precognitive abilities. He offers Ravager a chance to join him, but she refuses. Clock King then removes the Titans from his base and decides to move on to new plans. Ravager ultimately reconsiders his earlier offer. In the Terror Titans miniseries, Clock King takes over the Dark Side Club, and uses it to brainwash young metahumans, turning them into his very own "Martyr Militia". He sends the Militia to attack Los Angeles, for no reason other than to amuse him. Clock King's plans are eventually undone by Miss Martian, who was posing as one of the captured Metahumans, and Ravager, who attacks and defeats him, forcing him to flee his base of operations.

The New 52
In The New 52, three iterations of the Clock King appeared:
 * Billy Tockman is an African-American crime boss based in Seattle. Tockman owns a nightclub called the Midnight Lounge, and vintage clock repair shop called the Clock King, which he uses as a front for his operations. While Green Arrow is off dealing with the Outsiders, Diggle, along with Naomi Singh and Henry Fyff, talk Tockman into taking down Richard Dragon, to which he agrees. When they meet to take down Dragon, Tockman betrays them, claiming Dragon made a better offer. When Green Arrow returns and faces Dragon, he holds Naomi and Fyff at gunpoint on Dragon's orders and ends up shooting Fyff, then promptly getting beat up and knocked out by Emiko Queen.
 * Another Clock King, wearing the original Clock King costume, battles the newest incarnation of the Birds of Prey amped up on Venom.
 * Another, bearing an appearance similar to his Animated Series look (but with a black and blue suit and black and yellow glasses), tries to rob a store alongside his roommate Sportsmaster, who calls him Bill. He is stopped by Harley Quinn and Power Girl, but not before teleporting them into another dimension. He is shown to have the ability to rewind time.

DC Rebirth
In the DC Rebirth relaunch, two Clock Kings are active:
 * A man who wears the classic Clock King costume, but with his face showing, this new version claims to be a temporal anomaly and feeds on the life force of others to maintain his youth, which led to him preying on African citizens. He is sheltered within the African nation of Buredunia under dictator Matthew Bland. His actions drew the attention of Deathstroke, who was assigned by Bland to kill Clock King as revenge for his murders. However, Clock King managed to save his life by revealing that the warlord would kill Deathstroke after he had finished the job. He later kidnaps Bland. During the fight, Slade shoots him, revealing his powers to be special effects. Furthermore, Clock King revealed that as a time anomaly, he saw that as a result of Doctor Manhattan's manipulation of the timestream led to the rebirth of Deathstroke's ally Wintergreen. With that information, Deathstroke spared Clock King's life.
 * Billy Tockman, here now a former engineer and drug dealer in a suit, sporting glasses inherited from his grandfather and having a tattoo of a clock and arrow on the side of his head, he wired targets to clocks that can kill the wearer. This version would later face Batman. He bragged that he would be able to predict every one of Batman's movements, but was defeated by a hiding Catwoman. He was invited to a weapons deal by Tiger Shark and Blockbuster on board a ship, which was stopped by Nightwing. He is seen tinkering with his clocks as the ship sinks.

Powers and abilities

 * The original Clock King has no metahuman powers or abilities, although he is athletic and extraordinarily smart. He extensively uses clock and time -related gimmicks to devastating effect.
 * The second Clock King is able to see several seconds into the future, allowing him to anticipate an opponent's every move. He is also a technological genius, creating devices such as teleporters, communications jamming equipment, and even an anti-gravity platform, all modelled after timepieces.

Flashpoint
In an alternate timeline depicted in Flashpoint, the Clock King is imprisoned in military Doom prison before breaking out alongside Heat Wave and Plastic Man.

Live-action

 * The Clock King appears in the Batman (1966) consecutive episodes "The Clock King's Crazy Crimes" and "The Clock King Gets Crowned", portrayed by Walter Slezak. This version wears a black cape and a top-hat with a clock inside it. Furthermore, he wields weapons such as "Super Slick Watch Oil", "Knock Out Gas", and "Super Sonic Sound".
 * The William Tockman incarnation of the Clock King appears in television series set in the Arrowverse, portrayed by Robert Knepper.
 * Tockman first appears in the Arrow episode "Time of Death", in which he masterminds the theft of a hacking device that can be used to break into bank vaults and computer systems to raise money for his dying sister, Beverly's, medical treatment. He hacks into Felicity Smoak's computer system and disables it, leading to her getting involved in the Arrow's efforts to capture him and personally defeating Tockman herself.
 * Tockman returns in The Flash episode "Power Outage". After being temporarily transferred to the Central City Police Department's custody, he takes advantage of a citywide blackout to take everyone inside hostage. However, Iris West grabs Officer Eddie Thawne's gun beforehand and wounds Tockman with it before the Flash arrives to help.

Animation

 * An original incarnation of the Clock King named Temple Fugate (a play on the Latin phrase "tempus fugit") appears in series set in the DC Animated Universe (DCAU), voiced by Alan Rachins. This version is obsessed with time and punctuality, even going so far as to pre-plan his every waking moment on a to-do list and break them down into precise blocks.
 * Introduced in a self-titled episode of Batman: The Animated Series, Fugate served as the head of a time and motion study consulting company that was fined $20 million in court and was in the midst of appealing against it. Future Gotham mayor Hamilton Hill convinced Fugate to break his schedule and take his coffee break at a slightly later time, warning Fugate that the judge may consider his stress a sign of suspicious behavior. However, due to a string of bad luck, Fugate arrived late for his court appointment, lost his appeal, and went bankrupt as a result. He later learned that Hill's firm represented the plaintiff for the case, and subsequently swore revenge on Hill for making him late. Seven years later, Fugate becomes the Clock King and dedicates his life to destroying Hill. After publicly shaming him, Fugate confronts Batman and falls to his apparent death before resurfacing in the episode "Time Out of Joint" to continue seeking revenge against Hill using a stolen device that allows him to manipulate time. Nevertheless, Batman and Robin foil his plans and Fugate is sent to Arkham Asylum.
 * Fugate returns in the Justice League Unlimited episode "Task Force X". Project Cadmus recruits him into the eponymous group to assist in a mission to steal the Annihilator automaton from the Justice League by acting as radio support and coordinating the mission's timing.
 * The William Tockman incarnation of the Clock King appears in Batman: The Brave and the Bold, voiced by Dee Bradley Baker. This version possesses clock-themed weaponry and gadgets, resembles the Batman (1966) incarnation, and employs two henchmen named Tick and Tock. Additionally, an unnamed, heroic, alternate universe variant of the Clock King makes a cameo appearance in the episode "Deep Cover for Batman!".
 * An unidentified Clock King appears in Harley Quinn, voiced by James Adomian. Introduced in the episode "The 83rd Annual Villy Awards", this version is openly gay and in a relationship with the Riddler. In "Harley Quinn: A Very Problematic Valentine's Day Special", Clock King and Riddler get engaged.

Film

 * The Batman (1966) incarnation of the Clock King appears in Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders.
 * The William Tockman incarnation of the Clock King appears in The Lego Batman Movie.

Video games

 * The William Tockman incarnation of the Clock King appears as a boss in Batman: The Brave and the Bold – The Videogame, voiced again by Dee Bradley Baker.
 * The William Tockman incarnation of the Clock King appears as a character summon in Scribblenauts Unmasked: A DC Comics Adventure.
 * The William Tockman incarnation of the Clock King appears as a playable character in Lego DC Super-Villains, voiced again by Dee Bradley Baker. This version is a member of the Legion of Doom.

Miscellaneous

 * The Batman (1966) incarnation of the Clock King appears in Batman '66 #4, in which he is revealed to be Morris Tetch, the brother of Jervis Tetch / Mad Hatter who created the latter's weapons. Additionally, Morris describes himself and Jervis as "meticulous obsessives", respectively focusing on clocks and hats.
 * The DCAU incarnation of Temple Fugate / Clock King appears in The Batman Adventures #12, in which he succeeds in getting revenge on Hamilton Hill by rigging a mayoral election so the latter's opponent, the Penguin, can win.
 * The William Tockman incarnation of the Clock King appears in an issue of the Batman: The Brave and the Bold #3.
 * An unidentified Clock King makes a cameo appearance in Injustice: Gods Among Us #8.
 * An unidentified Clock King appears in Injustice 2 as a member of the Suicide Squad until he is killed by Jason Todd.

Merchandise
In February 2009, Mattel released an action figure of the DCAU incarnation of Temple Fugate / Clock King in the Justice League Unlimited toyline in a Matty Collector exclusive four-pack along with Bane, Harley Quinn, and the Scarecrow.

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Teodoro Nguema Obiang Mangue

Teodoro Nguema Obiang Mangue (born 25 June 1968, nicknamed Teodorín and Teddy) is an Equatoguinean politician who has served as the first vice president of Equatorial Guinea since 22 June 2016. He is a son of Teodoro Obiang, president of Equatorial Guinea, by his first wife, Constancia Mangue.

He has been appointed to numerous government positions by his father's regime, including Minister of Agriculture and Forestry and Second Vice-President, in charge of defense and security, in May 2012. He was promoted to the position of First Vice-President in June 2016. Known for his lavish lifestyle, he has been the subject of a number of international criminal charges and sanctions for alleged embezzlement and corruption. His net worth is $600 million including his yacht, private jets, and luxury cars.

Education
Nguema studied at the École des Roches in Normandy, a French private school. He registered to attend Pepperdine University in Malibu, California, United States, for a four-term non-degree program in English as a second language. He lived lavishly at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel and rarely attended class; he dropped out after only five months, reportedly at the behest of university administrators.

Political career and possible succession
Nguema served as Adviser to the Presidency in the 1990s and subsequently as Minister of Agriculture and Forestry, a post he held for about 15 years.

It was reported in 2005 that Nguema was to be made vice president of Equatorial Guinea, which, according to the constitution, would allow him to accede to the presidency upon his father's retirement. He was eventually elevated to the post of Second Vice-President, in charge of defense and security, on 21 May 2012, alongside former Prime Minister Ignacio Milam Tang, who was designated as First Vice-President. After four years as Second Vice-President, he was promoted to the post of First Vice-President, while remaining in charge of defense and security, on 22 June 2016; this move, which followed his father's re-election in the April 2016 presidential election, placed him clearly in line to succeed his father.

Spending and controversies

As Minister of Agriculture and Forestry, Nguema was paid €3,200 a month.

The New York Times reported in 2004 that Nguema was "a rap music entrepreneur and bon vivant, fond of Lamborghinis and long trips to Hollywood and Rio de Janeiro". Superyacht Tatoosh was hired for £400,000 by him for a Christmas cruise on which he entertained rap singer Eve.

Nguema drew criticism from the international media for spending close to R10,000,000 over a weekend in South Africa on champagne, property renovations, a black 2004 Bentley Arnage, a cream 2003 Bentley Continental R from MG Rover Cape Town and a 2005 Lamborghini Murcielago, although some assets may soon be forcibly auctioned due to his failure to pay a South African businessman. American law enforcement officials believe that most or perhaps all of his wealth comes from corruption connected to oil and gas reserves in Equatorial Guinea.

Nguema's foreign interests include two houses in South Africa, worth a combined R50,000,000, a $31,000,000 compound in Malibu, California, US, a 5000 sqft home on Avenue Foch in the affluent 16th arrondissement of Paris, and the hip hop music record label TNO Entertainment. In 2008 he owned one of the 30 models of the Bugatti Veyron 16.4 sports car (estimated at €1,100,000) and a Maserati MC 12 at €700,000. He went on to purchase another Bugatti Veyron, and tried to purchase a third. In late 2011, both Veyrons, as well as nine other cars he owned, were seized by French police investigating corruption. In July 2013, the confiscated goods were sold at auction.

On 19 January 2013, Nguema's father, Teodoro Obiang, arrested Roberto Berardi, an Italian building contractor, active for 20 years in Africa. After working in Cameroon, Berardi had formed a construction company with him, but discovered some strange operations on the current account and asked for an explanation. A few hours later, the Italian contractor was arrested on charges of fraud and embezzlement. Berardi was fined 1.2 million euros and jailed. No charges were brought from Italy against Obiang. Berardi was released on 14 July 2015 after more than two years of detention, including 18 months in solitary confinement.

On 18 October 2016, Swiss prosecutors opened an investigation on Nguema after he landed eight times in Geneva. French authorities had asked them for judicial assistance. He eventually reached an accommodation with the Swiss, letting them sell his seized luxury cars, valued at 18.5 million Swiss francs, and the payment of 1.3 million Swiss francs. On 27 September 2019, in an auction organised by British auctioneers Bonhams, 25 luxury cars were sold for 23.4m Swiss francs.

On 14 September 2018, Nguema flew on an official plane to Brazil with other 9 passengers and had some of their 19 bags searched by the Brazilian border police in Viracopos-Campinas International Airport. They found approximately US$1.4 million in cash and 20 watches with estimated value of US$15 million.

Embezzlement charges
In October 2011, seven years after the United States Senate Homeland Security Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations exposed the Nguema's family secret accounts at Riggs Bank in Washington and five years after non-profit Global Witness discovered his mansion purchase in Malibu; the US Justice Department went to court to seize $70 million (£44m) of his US assets, which include a Gulfstream jet, yachts, cars and Michael Jackson memorabilia.

On 11 June 2012, the United States Department of Justice (DoJ) filed an amended complaint against Nguema, after a judge requested more evidence of the alleged corruption. The revised complaint states that he spent $315 million on properties and luxury goods between 2004 and 2011. According to the foreign complaint, he, while Minister of Forestry, levied personal "taxes" against local and foreign timber companies for licenses to operate and export timber, such as a $28.80 tax for every log exported, to fund his lavish lifestyle. The foreign prosecutors state that his expenditures "were inconsistent with both his known salary of less than $100,000 per year, and the income he purportedly generated from his companies." In October 2014, he reached a settlement with the United States Department of Justice to pay the U.S. DoJ some of the funds held at accounts on his behalf, as well as his Malibu home, a Ferrari, and portions of his Michael Jackson collection, for a total estimated value of US$34 million. Upon the resolution of the settlement, he was able to keep his Gulfstream Jet, as well as some of the Michael Jackson memorabilia, including the $275,000 crystal Michael Jackson glove which he wore during his 1987–89 "Bad" tour, and other assets. $20 million of the proceeds was pledged, on DOJ's website, to go to a charitable institution for the benefit of the people of Equatorial Guinea. Another $10.3 million was pledged to be used for the benefit of the people of Equatorial Guinea "to the extent permitted by law." Since both of these pledges, there have been no records of the funds sent to any of the citizens, nor any of the infrastructure of Equatorial Guinea.

In February 2012, a Parisian mansion belonging to Nguema, worth around €100 million, was raided by French police and they discovered luxury goods inside worth millions of euros. In July 2012, an arrest warrant was issued for him. The mansion was seized by French authorities in August 2012. He was indicted by the French justice on several counts of corruption and money-laundering with an 'in absentia' trial beginning in 2017. In response, Equatorial Guinea filed a case against France in the International Court of Justice accusing France of breaching the diplomatic immunity of its representatives and premises. In the preliminary phase the court found that France must guarantee the protection of the premises presented as housing the diplomatic mission of Equatorial Guinea in France. In December 2020 it ruled that the mansion was never a diplomatic premises.

In September 2016, the District Attorneys Roger Le Loire and Charlotte Bilger referred Nguema to the Criminal Court of Paris, and issued an arrest warrant through Interpol. This procedure was validated by the International Court of Justice in December 2016.

The French trial concluded in October 2017 with Nguema receiving a suspended sentence of three years plus a suspended fine of €30 million. His properties in France, as well as 17 luxury cars, were also seized, including the Parisian mansion.

UK sanctions
On 22 July 2021, the United Kingdom imposed sanctions on Nguema over "lavish lifestyle" spending, which he spent on mansions, private jets, among other things. In retaliation, the Foreign Minister of Equatorial Guinea, Simeón Oyono Esono Angue, announced the closure of the country's embassy in London, as the British government sanctioned Nguema. The Minister said that it was the first measure and that Equatorial Guinea "will not allow interference in internal affairs".

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Talk:Chinese characters of Empress Wu

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It seems odd that the article mentions that as being the Japanese name for the characters of Empress Wu, but does not give the Chinese name anywhere. It seems perfectly reasonable to me that 則天文字 would serve as both the Chinese and Japanese pronounciations. Other than that, this is a really cool article.Iluvchineselit 06:32, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Apparently it borrowed using on'yomi reading in Japanese. 112.205.97.30 (talk) 03:03, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Sokuten Moji 則天文字 does not seem to validate anywhere, anyone can confirm? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.137.170 (talk • contribs) 06:25, 9 December 2004 (UTC)

‘now used in Modern Chinese’
Isn't it much more likely that the character was simply relatively recently reinvented based on the western zero? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.82.82 (talk) 00:21, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Abandoned user draft
Please would an interested editor assess the material added at User:Jessie3535/article2 about the impact of this script, and if valid then add citations and incorporate it into the live article? Please also then leave a note here when done. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:58, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

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Lakeside Packers

Lakeside Packers is a beef producer based in Brooks, Alberta. It is owned by JBS Canada, a subsidiary of JBS S.A., a Brazilian protein company.

BSE Aid
As of June 2004, Lakeside Packers had received roughly $33 million Canadian dollars in financial aid from the Government of Alberta since a cow with bovine spongiform encephalopathy was found on an Alberta farm in May 2003.

2005 labour dispute
Lakeside Packers was unionized under the United Food and Commercial Workers, and the union went on strike from October 12 to November 6, 2005. The union accepted a four-year contract after a member vote approved it by a margin of 56%.

Sale to XL Foods
As of March 2009, Lakeside Farm Industries, Ltd. was sold by Tyson to XL Foods, it is reported that Lakeside and its assets were sold to XL Foods Inc. for approximately $107 million.

Sale to JBS Canada
XL Foods sold the Lakeside Packers plant to JBS Canada on January 14, 2013.

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Talk:Pedestrian crossing

Archive of past discussion
Archive 1

Huge Oversight
This artical fails to mention if pedestreans have the right of way if the crossing says "don't Walk" which is a huge oversight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.250.66.62 (talk) 21:34, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Largely because this is en.wikipedia.org not us.wikipedia.org - different rules in different countries. I guess even different US states ?

 * In UK there is a 'race condition' on Zebra crossings - whoever gets to the crossing first has right of way. Even if you have a foot on the crossing first, it would be unwise to assume motorists will stop.

 * https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/pedestrian-crossings-191-to-199

 * --195.137.93.171 (talk) 03:19, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

N. America section
I changed the paragraph I originally wrote a long time ago to be slightly more informative, and also added references. Agnosticaphid (talk) 23:02, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Merge
I think a merge with "Zebra crossing" and a 'in the UK/SA/Australia' or 'in the US' explanation with both terms would be a good idea, unless there's some real difference other than you have look the other way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.3.0.25 (talk) 17:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Small caps for sign legends
Hex, I don't agree with your format changes removing the small-caps sign legend callouts from the article text. It's not just random "jazzy" frippery as you contend, it's standard (or at least very common) publication usage of small caps. Wiki markup includes provisions for small caps so that it might easily be used where appropriate. Certainly it's much more formal and less clunky than using regular caps or quotation marks. I don't find one, but is there some concrete reason, perhaps based on something in MoS, why the small caps must definitely go away? —Scheinwerfermann T·C 20:58, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The Manual of Style says "Avoid writing in all capitals." While no specific mention is made there of signage, unless there is a citable source that indicates that United States crossing sign text is rendered in small caps (which, to my knowledge, it is not), then doing so here is non-standard. The article road signs in the United States certainly does not do so. Hence I have again removed this formatting from this article. — Hex  (❝ ?! ❞)  23:31, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Your ref to the MoS doesn't appear to support your distaste for the small-caps rendering. It quite correctly states that writing in all caps is to be avoided, but it is silent on the matter of representing sign legends. Your assertion that the signs themselves do not carry legends in small caps is neither true nor false; I'm reminded of once asking a printer whether my business cards could be set in all small caps — it took me a few times asking the question before I realised its folly: without lowercase letters and/or ordinary caps for immediately contextual comparison, there is effectively nothing such as a small cap! The actual sign legends in question are, in fact, in all-caps, so rather than your apparent preference for unrepresentative lower case with quotation marks, it is appropriate for us to represent them in uppercase within the text. Using small caps to do so is quite common in all kinds of literature; the very raison d'être of small caps is to diminish the visual awkwardness of capital letters hindering the flow of a paragraph. We must strive for both accuracy and elegance in our construction of this encyclopædia; "dont walk" is not an accurate representation of the sign legend, DONT WALK is accurate but visually jarring, and fits and flows smoothly with its surrounding text and is an accurate representation. Why, then, would we settle for a less-than-optimal pick?

 * It may be that Road signs in the United States does not presently use small caps, but Stop sign does—and has done for quite some time, without question or dissent by any of many editors. NB I will not go and put small caps in Road signs in the United States, and I would ask that you likewise coöperatively not remove them from Stop sign, pending consensus on this stylistic point.

 * It looks to me as though your removal is based more on UGH than any applicable provision of MoS, so I find your unilateral reversion troubling, particularly since this article doesn't appear to get enough traffic to generate conversation wider than our present debate. You have presented no evidence that small caps are incorrect; I am putting them back until either such evidence is presented or consensus develops to remove them. —Scheinwerfermann T·C 00:29, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I didn't read your story about business cards or whatever it was.

 * My argument is based on not making stuff up because you think it looks good; and there being absolutely no citable source or or even local stylistic guideline to back up your opinion. I disagree entirely with your assertion that the small caps are not jarring - they are equally jarring, or even more so, than regular capitals.

 * Wikipedia does not attempt to slavishly reproduce the stylistic appearance of things it discusses; it prefers plain English orthography. Hence the article Korn rather than "KoЯn"; Firehose rather than "fIREHOSE"; E. E. Cummings rather than "e e cummings"; and many others. Nor do we use illuminated capitals or ligatures in our articles, or many other things that the literati of Typophile.com may favor.

 * Writing for an encyclopedia should focus on content and meaning. The meaning of a "don't walk" sign is "don't walk". contributes no additional information and serves only to distract, as an entirely invented and inaccurate attempt to mimic the lettering of the sign itself.

 * I will leave it to other editors to decide whether you have ownership issues with this article. — Hex  (❝ ?! ❞)  11:53, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Neutral Opinion
An editor recently requested a neutral opinion on WP:3O. I want to first say that it is good to see sincere discussion of editorial matters. I am sure that both Scheinwerfermann and Hex are good editors with much to contribute. I believe that it is important to conform to general style guidelines for uniformity across the encyclopedia. I am therefore remaining neutral until I have time to research what practices are followed in other similar articles, as well as if any MoS guidelines are applicable. This is a good question, and I'm sure we can find either precedent or a highly experienced style editor to help guide us. --Matheuler 21:29, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have looked into the matter on various style pages. It appears to me that there is no direct concensus regarding this issue.  That being said, I am personally inclined, based on my observation of other Wikipedia pages, to advise against the use of the small caps.  I was not able to find another situation in which small caps are used comparably, except the Stop sign article, where they were put in by User:Scheinwerfermann.  So, in short, I do not find any policy guidelines or past concensus indicating either preference.  But my neutral opinion, with respect to both editors, is that the article is better without small caps.  Thanks, and best wishes with further editing. --Matheuler  22:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Fourth opinion
I also wanted to chime in. I can say I know first hand that the signs in question use small caps. However, displaying them as such doesn't really add anything to the article. The presentation isn't usually necessary for a complete understanding, especially since the point of that section is that those signs aren't being viewed. The "walk" and "don't walk" are being referenced as specific "modes" that the signs could be in, not the actual signage displayed. The goal is to display the content as clearly as possible, and not be beholden to stylistic trademarks except where it is advantageous. For example, earlier in the article "PED X ING" is used, which is a good, singular example. As for the MoS, some application from WP:ALLCAPS can be drawn. It explicitly says to reduce case names, headlines, and album titles from all caps. Take one example, such as the Moon landing. That headline is far more iconic than a stop sign, but it's not advantageous to display it in all caps. Much better to print the information inherent within it. ~ Amory  (user • talk • contribs) 01:13, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Flashing Green
In addition to British Columbia, are there other areas around the world that use a flashing green system for pedestrians? What happens is: Are there any other countries, provinces or states that do something comparable to that? Mechamind90 (talk) 23:41, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It initially starts flashing, and when a pedestrian pushes the button, it stops solid green. Then it functions as a normal traffic light (triggering the "stop ahead" sign lights), and then turning yellow followed by red.
 * Once the "Don't Walk" light stops flashing, there are a few seconds before the red light for vehicles turns flashing green again.

 * Actually, let me re-specify that as a reference to them. Mechamind90 (talk) 23:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * UK Pelican crossings flash : being gradually superceded by Puffin crossings that dont - sensors check when the pedestrian has gone, instead.
 * --195.137.93.171 (talk) 04:09, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Very US-centric
This article is very US-centric. WALK/Don't walk is not used anywhere in Europe, so most of the world in fact does NOT use walk/don't walk. I will try to expand this article a bit, since it's pretty short and doesn't list other countries... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.70.20.187 (talk) 17:48, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Most (new) crosswalk signals use symbols. Rarely see words unless you're in an old part of a city. - M0rphzone (talk) 07:52, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

10 years on, and it's still almost entirely about US laws and standards. I propose having a basic worldwide general concepts and historical outline at the top, followed by regional sections below that contain specific designs used only in those regions. The current layout is extremely confusing as it chops and changes between worldwide, US-centric and regional styles.2406:3400:212:A0D1:6C54:7832:20BE:C800 (talk) 08:15, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Common near schools
In the article's lead there is a sentence "They are common near schools or in other areas where there are a large number of children". I'm just curious what the source of that is, because I'm a little skeptical that there are really more crossings in front of schools than in other locations. Emika22 (talk) 17:35, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * "Many jurisdictions also commonly install marked crosswalks at school crossing locations (such as where adult crossing guards are used)"
 * http://www.walkinginfo.org/training/collateral/resources/Effects_Un_MarkedCrosswalks_Summary.pdf
 * --195.137.93.171 (talk) 05:57, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Listing of country
For some reason user: Wtshymanski does not feel we need to list country for Portland, Oregon yet other countries, for example Germany and Canada are listed on their respective images. This user should either explain why we are not listing US but every other country or remove country from the other images. Zarcadia (talk) 15:39, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's take out the others, then, if there's already a link. I think it's redundant and wordy - if the reader wants to know where the city is, it clicks on the link. Otherwise it's just more pointless Wikipadding. Terabytes are cheap, bandwidth nearly so, but reader's time is precious. --Wtshymanski (talk) 15:57, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That's fine, I'll do that. I think it's important for WP that there is consistency within the articles. Thanks for replying. Zarcadia (talk) 16:01, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Every crossing should be fully capable
Former disabled crossing signals should be replaced with fully capable crossing signals - I agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.242.221.39 (talk) 17:02, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Safety
The safety of unsignalled pedestrian or zebra crossings is somewhat contested in traffic engineering circles. I deleted the following as blame-the-victim POV ! This is because pedestrians sometimes use the crossings without looking to see that cars have seen them and are actually stopping. --195.137.93.171 (talk) 03:10, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * More reports to cite:
 * http://www.walkinginfo.org/training/collateral/resources/Effects_Un_MarkedCrosswalks_Summary.pdf
 * Zegeer, already cited in Pedestrian_crossing !
 * "Unfortunately, simply installing a marked crosswalk without other more substantial crossing facilities often does not result in the majority of motorists stopping and yielding to pedestrians, contrary to the expectations of many pedestrians."
 * http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/safety/04100/
 * http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/safety/04100/04100.pdf - the full text summarises other studies eg:
 * "In a 1999 study involving the relationship between crashes or conflicts and exposure, Ekman and Hyden compared intersections with and without zebra crossings on major streets in the cities of Malmö and Lund, Sweden. ... the positive effects of pedestrian refuge islands seem to be stronger than the negative effect of zebra crossing, at least in the lower region of car exposure."

 * "Bowman and Vecellio and also a study by Garder  that found safety benefits for pedestrians due to raised medians and refuge islands, respectively."
 * http://streetswiki.wikispaces.com/Pedestrian+Refuge+Island
 * Just a wiki, but gives a good discussion. They conclude this from the above '4100 Zegeer' report
 * "providing raised medians or pedestrian refuge areas at pedestrian crossings at marked crosswalks has demonstrated a 46% reduction in pedestrian crashes. Installing such raised channelization on approaches to multi-lane intersections has been shown to be particularly effective. At unmarked crosswalk locations, medians have demonstrated a 39% reduction in pedestrian crashes. Medians are especially important in areas where pedestrians access a transit stop or other clear origin/destinations across from each other. Midblock locations account for over 70% of pedestrian fatalities. Also it is where vehicle travel speeds are higher which contributes to the injury and fatality rate at this location."
 * http://www.walksandiego.org/resources/research/
 * A list of studies adding:
 * Nolan, Robert. 2003. Traffic fatalities and injuries: the effect of changes in infrastructure and other trends. Accident Analysis and Prevention, 35 (2003): 599-611.
 * typical "safety" improvements such as adding and widening lanes have actually increased rather than decreased injuries and fatalities
 * http://www.massengale.typepad.com/venustas/files/SwiftSafetyStudy.pdf
 * revealed a dramatic increase in injury accident frequency as street width increases - 24-feet is best
 * http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/Factors-Influencing-pedestrian-safety-literature-review.pdf
 * Lists many studies
 * http://www.traffexengineers.com/documents/Articles/Road_Safety_at_Pedestrian_Refuges.pdf
 * "the provision of refuges reduced vehicle-vehicle collisions, but surprisingly increased vehicle-pedestrian collisions" - (TfL summary)
 * "The results regarding strings of refuges, not at junctions, will disappoint those who felt this means of largely dividing the road was a a safe and cheap alternative to provision of crossing facilities at specific points.

 * ... can produce significant accident reductions if they are associated with anti-skid surfacing and guardrails"

 * http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/memo071008/#ped_refuge
 * "pedestrian refuge areas at pedestrian crossings at marked crosswalks has demonstrated a 46% reduction in pedestrian crashes"
 * I can't find his source, though.

 * --195.137.93.171 (talk) 05:56, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

 * There is only one citation in the Crash Modification Factor Clearinghouse for pedestrian refuges, which claims a 56% reduction. The quality of this factor is unrated. --Triskele Jim 18:20, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

New article?
I think that the section about pedestrian signals should be split up into its own article, Pedestrian signal. It makes the article about pedestrian crossings a bit easier to read.

Any takers? Epicgenius (talk to me • see my contributions) 14:27, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

 * I've consolidated most of the signal stuff in one section, although some remains in the regional variations sections. Not sure there is enough material right now for a new article. I'd like to see this expanded and spun off at some point. Kendall-K1 (talk) 22:30, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Definition
As the first sentence of the article we've got this definition: "A pedestrian crossing or crosswalk is a designated point on a road at which some means are employed to assist pedestrians wishing to cross." But at least in the US, this isn't exactly right. Many, perhaps most, crosswalks in the US do not have any means "to assist pedestrians wishing to cross." I would propose changing this to something like "A pedestrian crossing or crosswalk is a designated point on a road at which it is legal for pedestrians to cross." Kendall-K1 (talk) 02:08, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

 * That's not true everywhere. In NY State (outside of NY City, at least), it is legal to cross the street anywhere unless there is a sign prohibiting it. The difference is who must yield - vehicle drivers must yield to walkers at unsignalized crosswalks, and walkers must yield to drivers if there is no crosswalk. To make things more complicated, NY State law says crosswalks exist at intersections with sidewalks on both sides, even if there are no pavement markings. I suggest simply "a place designated for pedestrians to cross a road." --Triskele Jim 16:24, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

 * You're right, that's better. Kendall-K1 (talk) 21:07, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

I just reverted a change that suggested a crosswalk could be a place where pedestrians don't cross. That seems contradictory to me. I would want to see a source for that. Kendall-K1 (talk) 20:39, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Layout
It seems to me the "Characteristics" section should just go away, and its subsections promoted. The section is way too long. Kendall-K1 (talk) 15:21, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Color
Are the stripes always white? I've seen places with yellow stripes. – H T  D  15:09, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

 * According to national regulations in the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices, US crosswalks are required to have white stripes. Colored pavement between the stripes is optional, as long as it isn't yellow or any other color restricted for a specific purpose. Other countries could have different standards. --Triskele Jim 01:48, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

 * I think the original question asked if the stripes "are" always white, not if they "should" be white. As an example, which can be cited as an exception to the protocol, refer to this intersection that has white stripes filled in with yellow paint https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bridge+St,+Dracut,+MA/@42.6689105,-71.3033832,69m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e3a5eca9820595:0x271ed93b95d0c700!8m2!3d42.6815496!4d-71.3090434 --Tylr00 (talk) 13:29, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Definition of "crossing"
Crossing does not only mean get across a road perpendicularly according to the typical image associated with the word. One may get across any area or longitudinally through a way (all along but inside). Hence, the correct definition of a "pedestrian crossing" is simply a delimited place where pedestrians can securely walk where the vehicles run. Internationally, there are indeed pedestrian crossing (paintings) that do not look like the canonical image. I'm stressing this because, when proposing a widened support of the word 'crossing' to OpenStreetMap, I met a negative reaction caused by the restricted idea of 'crossing' that they had in mind. Here are some pictures and I wish I could include one at (5.6286,50.5350) all along the road to access a school. http://referentiel.nouvelobs.com/wsfile/2151402563993.jpg http://www.lesoir.be/sites/default/files/imagecache/475x317/2012/10/09/816656018_ID3414785_09_saintgilles_101940_024HP1_0.JPG https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/529707_379452988772468_304655380_n.jpg --A Pirard (talk) 01:42, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

 * I suggest you move this section to the end of the talk page. Otherwise no one will see it unless they have this article watchlisted. Also please sign your posts.

Thanks for the tips.--A Pirard (talk) 01:42, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

 * I'm not quite sure what you're asking, since the photos you link to all seem to match the definition given in this article. Can you suggest the alternate text you want to use? Kendall-K1 (talk) 12:04, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm surprised with what you say because 1) my second phrase states "the correct definition is ... a delimited place where pedestrians can securely walk where the vehicles run" and hence contain the text you're asking and 2) every other place where I read text or see a picture, it's what I call the "typical image" of a narrow path that goes perpendicularly to a road albeit the word "crossing" also means walking through a wide area or alongside a road on a part of it painted for safe walking, and that exists in reality. I simply couldn't find many photographs departing enough from that "typical image" because they made typical photographs and I didn't have time making them. And if you look right here above, there it goes again: I suggest simply "a place designated for pedestrians to cross a road." Restricted to crossing a road and no concern for safety (why walk there instead of elsewhere). No, it's definitely "a designated, delimited place where pedestrians can securely walk where the vehicles run". --A Pirard (talk) 01:42, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

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Diagonal crossing
In Taipei, Taiwan, I encountered a type of crossing I did not see in this article. Should it be? --FredTC (talk) 11:24, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It is dealt with in one sentence here but has its own article at pedestrian scramble. I'll add this image to .  — <span style="border:1px solid #93010b;background:#ef0000;padding:2px;color:#efe6e6;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family: Georgia;"> AjaxSmack  22:29, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Pedestrian crossing is usually a legal term
This article is nice, and informative of Pedestrian crossing culture worldwide.

However it does not enough highlight the fact that Pedestrian crossing is a legal term, and legally defined.

In many countries Overtaking is illegal over a Pedestrian crossing and it is a strong factor for Suspension (punishment) of Driver's license, and it is necessary to know what the law is talking about.

The Swedish trafikförordningen (Traffic Ordinance law), Chapter 3, Section 40 Vehicles or trams must not be overtaken shortly before or at an unguarded pedestrian crossing, an unguarded bicycle passage or a bicycle crossing.

In Sweden the definitions of traffic legal terms comes from a hierarchy; 1.) Svenska Akademiens ordlista (about the same as OALD in English), 2. Swedish Language Council (TNC) and 3. The Gov Traffic authority (Trafikverket), dependent on the generality of terms. In this case by the authority:  Pedestrian crossing  part of a street that is intended to be used by pedestrians to cross a roadway or a cycle path and indicated by road marking or road sign  A pedestrian crossing is guarded if the traffic is regulated by traffic signals or by a police officer and otherwise unattended.

The important topic here is that a Installation art for crossing pedestrians with a Traffic island are in fact legally two Pedestrian crossings with a Traffic island in between. There are no Pedestrian crossings over Traffic islands and Shoulder (road)s and issues like overtaking and pedestrians rights are indeed strongly regulated according to this.

Also expressions like definitions of Overtaking are important in this theme and the Swedish definition of Overtaking is:

passage of other or other vehicles on the same road or street and with the same direction of movement

Meaning that like lane changes before or after an Overtaking is not legally a part of the Overtaking, but usually are in vulgar non legal language.

I think this article should be developed in a more legally crisp section.

Also it would be interesting to be informed of particular differences in law in various countries? Are there any legal international agreements etc (isen't it)?

I think it is a good high lighting of the security topic of the Swedish Traffic Ordinance law, Chapter 3, Section 40, Overtaking on a pedestrian crossing is illegal because the overtooken car shades a possible pedestrian for the overtaking car, and is a huge risk of personal damage. While if there is a Traffic island this risk is eliminated.

I think it is important to in Wikipedia legally distingwish Road, Street, lanes, Shoulder (road) etc, because they make a legal difference. I can't see it clear enough?

--Zzalpha (talk) 04:13, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Zebra crossing
Closed; no consensus, no rationale for merge, policy reasons not to. Moonraker12 (talk) 22:04, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

There is minor difference (other than EngVar) between these subjects. --- Coffee  and crumbs  15:56, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support - a zebra crossing is just one of many types of pedestrian crossing. -- DeFacto (talk). 06:17, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose - This is like merging this with this because the former is a part of the latter. Seemplez  |  Chat 09:31, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * This is a terrible analogy. Merging "zebra crossing" into "pedestrian crossing" is more like merging an article for "striped Telecaster" into an article for Telecaster. Bueller 007 (talk) 20:59, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

 * Comment: if merged, “zebra crossing” should be merged into “pedestrian crossing,” not vice-versa.— Molandfreak  (talk,   contribs,  email) 17:22, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose for the reason articulated by User:Seemplez. --Coolcaesar (talk) 16:01, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge into pedestrian crossing. Obviously. It's ridiculous to have a whole separate article for "zebra crossing", which is just a dialectal term for a particular visual variant of a crosswalk. Almost all of the refs on the zebra crossing article appear to be generic crosswalk references.  And almost every image in the pedestrian crossing article is of a zebra crossing.  "Zebra crossing" can be summarized adequately in a single sentence on the pedestrian crossing article. Bueller 007 (talk) 20:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose on the ground that the Zebra is an independently notable subset of Pedestrian crossing. There are several other subsets with independent pages, such as Pelican crossing, toucan crossing and Puffin crossing, and its reasonable to keep all of these for separate discussion. Also, it's a big topic; Pedestrian crossing is already at 89k and if all subpages were merge would certainly be WP:TOOBIG. Klbrain (talk) 18:33, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

 * I’m closing this. It’s been here a year and there is no consensus for this proposal (3 for, 3 against). More to the point, there is no rationale for the merge either, except unsupported opinions ("There is minor difference (sic) between these subjects", "just one of many types of pedestrian crossing", "just a dialectal term for a particular visual variant"). OTOH there are at least two policy reasons for not merging; Zebra crossing, at 22kb and with copious references, is a "notable subset of pedestrian crossing" (ie. a discrete subject warranting its own article) and, at 89Kb, this article is already at the point where the resulting article would be too big). Moonraker12 (talk) 21:59, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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Signals and buttons
Some of the information about signal buttons for NYC is wrong. Inactive buttons installed in the 1960s weren't meant to be placebos but were for future use, so that control boxes could be added later. I can't correct it because it would be considered original research. My father was the borough engineer for the department of highways at the time and had firsthand knowledge. It was something that I knew growing up from the time the buttons were installed. The buttons in question were not working at one time. It was easy to confirm when the buttons were first put in, but again, Wikipedia won't accept "I was there and tried it."

While I can't put in the correct information per Wikipedia rules, the text indicates that it's speculation that they were put in as placebos. It seems reasonable to remove speculation since it's essentially a wild guess that the city spent money for no reason to accomplish nothing. It's also speculation that they were working at one time, and is clearly not evidence based. There's more than enough justification for someone to remove incorrect information that was speculation to begin with. Hagrinas (talk) 16:52, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

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User talk:Jrdioko/archive4

Trying to solve a puzzle.
Hi there! Perhaps you can help me with this. I've worked on this article and now something odd is happening and I can't figure it out. If you check the last table in it, you'll see that the content is "floating" there, since there are no borders in display. If you try to edit it, however, you'll find that the table is written in the article's source, but it just won't show in the visualization. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance. Redux 21:55, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Response on your talk. – Jrdioko 15:06, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Do me a favor
...and use four tildes when you welcome newcomers? When on somebody's welcome page, I often like to look at the date on their welcome message. And given that you're the most prolific welcomer I've seen (you're a machine), it would be nice if you'd include the datestamp. Thanks a lot. Best, Meelar 05:04, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Response on your talk. – Jrdioko 14:59, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * I didn't know there was a technical problem. Good luck, and consider my request withdrawn.  Keep up the good work! Best, Meelar 15:05, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome! It was so nice to see a greeting typed onto my page! Quill 00:23, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!
This is cool! Lightning Striking a Viking!

Questions in articles
I'm not sure about any sort of policy covering this--I don't think anyone would complain if you deleted the article immediately. I just made sure to make a note on my user page to remind myself, and figured nobody would complain. No official policy, it's your call. Best of luck, [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 05:45, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Categories
Thanks for adding the category "Banks" to the articles on banks that I have entered. How can I add sub-categories such as "Central Banks" and "Defunct Banks"?

Regards

Acad Ronin 22:48, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Response on your talk. – Jrdioko 01:14, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Pictures
How do I place pictures on the user pages?

Heegoop, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Response on your talk. – Jrdioko 01:47, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Creating Repeating Text
I'll try and clarify: I have a need to repeat text in multiple documents -- have it actually visible multiple times, not merely show a link. But, I only want to change the text once (in any one of the locations where it appears). I have heard this is possible with some software. Is this possible with wiki? I don't believe "Redirect" solves the problem. Nor am I trying to add wikilinks between pages.

Machine?
Are you a machine as someone else suggests?

CheateN 19:59, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Nope! Check your talk. – Jrdioko 23:16, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome message
I like the wikipedia initiative, and hope I will grow into a good contributor.

Kind regards, Patrick L. Goes 19:44, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Taking ownership for previous anonymous edit
I have just become a registered user as "Pasquale". Do you know if I can take ownership for the edits previously made by me as the anonymous user "140.239.85.68"? In other words, can I convert all the contributions made by "140.239.85.68" to "Pasquale", my login name?

 * Response at the help desk. – Jrdioko 01:52, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

If you're the Welcome Wagon, does that mean I get a basket?
Hey, Jrdioko! After being here less than a week, I'd already been blocked by some creep involved in a running feud with another member, so your visit was a pleasant surprise. Thanks for the wiki welcome and the tips. I'm lovin' the website, but it can be addictive! And, oh, yeah. 'Bout that basket. I love fresh fruit, and I'm partial to those little milk chocolate Ghirardelli squares with the gooey caramel inside. :-) Peace. deeceevoice 01:28, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Response on your talk. – Jrdioko 05:58, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Enhancing the skull and crossbones page
I would like you add the Jolly Roger on the skull and crossbones page along with the poison skull and crossbones. I would also like you to add the skull and crossbones that was used during the Stamp Act on a stamp by a colonial illustrator. After adding the crossbones give some information about the added crossbones if you can. If you cannot do ask Jorge Stolfi to take over. (posted by User:Heegoop)

 * Response on your talk. – Jrdioko 05:48, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Well, at least you weren't talking to 'me' about the truck parts -- I am actually User:Ugen64, but of course, this is a public terminal at the University of Richmond :). 141.166.211.213 22:40, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * Response on your talk, wait... no... your talk. :) – Jrdioko 23:55, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Gee (beaming), thanks for the cool links! :-D Jrdioko, my man, you're a scholar and a gentleman. deeceevoice 10:31, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome.
Hi there! :-)

Who are you? Do you speak Finnish? Henri Tapani Heinonen 09:13, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * Response on your talk. – Jrdioko 16:41, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I'm Sorry
I did what now?

"User talk:80.231.159.51 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Please do not create articles in languages other than English on the English language Wikipedia. However, the main page (http://en.wikipedia.org) has links to Wikipedias in other languages that you might want to look into. Thanks! – Jrdioko (Talk) 21:30, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)"

Let me explain. I saw that message at the top of an article I was reading. I don't recognize that IP.

--65.8.16.217 03:50, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * Response on your talk. – Jrdioko 16:41, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

What is the correct procedure on coming across an obvious "lift" from a book-in-copyright? (That is if one is not going to update the entry - as I intend doing in this case.)

How much can an article that is not a stub/shorty be rewritten? I am looking at 1920 in Germany and its successors at the moment - and I want to know before I start doing anything.

Jackiespeel 15:50, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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The "my watchlist" entry needs to be clarified - or can one add items once within it?

Jackiespeel 17:32, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * See above post. – Jrdioko 03:08, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Spanish
Please see the response to your message at the Spanish language talk page.Thanks--Jondel 00:37, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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Can i make my own talkpage Chimp?
How is this done i have looked at some sites but it doesnt seem to have any references in creating talk pages. contact jeromerr@hotmail.com

Thankz

 * Email sent. – Jrdioko 05:18, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Linda Evangelista

Chameleon
http://www.divasthesite.com/Runway_Divas/Linda_Evangelista.htm http://forums.superiorpics.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showthreaded/Number/1403177/site_id/1#import http://www.zimbio.com/Dyeing+Hair/articles/2/Chameleon+Many+Looks+Linda+Evangelista I'm too incompetent to add them as citations, but yes, she's fairly widely known as the chameleon.91.104.145.135 (talk) 17:04, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Chronology
Born in 1965, and enters a teen modeling pageant in 1988? At age 13 or 23?? Unfortunately, this obvious discrepancy is propagated on the the web bios I found. My guess is that the pageant was in 1978, but can anyone clear this up? --Paul Richter 06:31, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

In the section on Linda Evangelistas life there is no mention of her early marriage to Lloyd Bloom.

Fred Derkoski

Linda was never married to Lloyd Bloom.

Who the heck is Lloyd Bloom??

This profile is so pathetic. So much good information has gotten erased over the past couple of years. Linda is the greatest fashion model EVER. She's a legend and she gets a profile that profiles her hairstyles up to the mid-90s? Pathetic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.197.247.41 (talk) 22:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Hairstyles
A timeline of her haircuts? Really?
 * It IS a notable point about her. 91.104.145.135 (talk) 17:04, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Tables at the bottom
Am I the only person who noticed most of the page (two thirds) consists of giant tables of list of Vogue cover models over the years? What's the point of this here?--74.56.234.186 (talk) 04:02, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * They should be collapsible.   Mbinebri   talk ← 02:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Birthdate?
Was she really born in the 60s? She looks far too young for that, even with plastic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.11.44 (talk) 22:39, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, she was born May 10th 1965. I say she does look 45 in her unphotoshopped pictures. She uses Botox and Thermage too.--202.154.154.173 (talk) 06:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Editnotice
Please create an edit notice for the article, placing in it the template Thank you--Lupine453 (talk) 03:05, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅. Reaper Eternal (talk) 17:33, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Changed to Canadian English; she is a Canadian. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 06:17, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Was a broad consensus reached when it was added? She is a Canadian citizen; why would we ever use American English? Also pinging . Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 21:57, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I have no opinion on the variety of English used in the article. I was simply making a non-controversial—especially non-controversial judging by the length of time it took someone else to comment—requested edit. Reaper Eternal (talk) 07:47, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, although it seemed that way at the time, I'm bringing up this issue now that I've stumbled across it. Why has no one addressed the guideline I mentioned below? The use of American English on this page is unwarranted both from the subject of the article standpoint, as well as the English variety first used back in 2006 standpoint. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 13:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * MOS:RETAIN states "When no English variety has been established and discussion does not resolve the issue, use the variety found in the first post-stub revision that introduced an identifiable variety." used "colour". It does not make sense for a Canadian to have its article written in American English, let alone have a template of the language as an edit notice. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 22:04, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

 * There is no rule that states that because a BLP subject is Canadian, the article has to be written in Canadian English. Lupine453 (talk) 23:50, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * .......Ok? I just showed a MoS based guideline that says we should use what was first used, which was Canadian English. And rightly so since she is Canadian. There is no guideline for that sentiment, but it makes the most sense. Tell me why we would use American English in this case? Anyway, that's besides the point, the RETAIN guide speaks for itself. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 02:44, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi. I see Reaper Eternal may be inactive with his admin rights suspended, so looked into contacting someone else as well. Would you be able to confirm this? Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 04:41, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

 * I am the user who has submitted more 70% of the text in this article, and prior to my edits, this entire article was only 4 paragraphs long. 70+% of the article text was written in American English. The editnotice was applied 4 years ago, and suddenly you want to change it just because the subject is from Canada? Lupine453 (talk) 05:58, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I see you had contributed significantly to this article, which the project thanks you for, but yes, that was only four years ago and the article was already non-stub before you had picked it up. The use of Canadian English spans much farther back from when the article was first brought out of stub-from - around 2006-07. Yes, we should use Canadian English partly because she is Canadian and the way that you changed the English variety in 2015 from American English to Canadian English was not discussed, but also largely due to MOS:RETAIN which states we should use the first English variety from when it was non-stub, and therefore should be changed back to Canadian English. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 14:34, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Using Canadian English in a topic about a Canadian person makes sense and is also in line with MOS:ENGVAR. Since that was the original variety, how is this even an issue? --bonadea contributions talk 19:13, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, and admins have no particular say about content questions - if an admin weighs in here it will be as an editor, not as an administrator. If there is edit warring or obvious disruption, an uninvolved admin can step in and protect the article or block people as necessary, but let's hope it won't come to that. This needs to be solved with discussion and applying relevant guidelines. --bonadea contributions talk 19:15, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment . This was the point I was trying to make, as well as others. Also with Daily Mail sources, they are not to be used, especially when there is more than one source available per WP:DAILYMAIL1. Lupine is verging on WP:OWN. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 19:18, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

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Model or supermodel
Lupine453 can you explain why you keep reverting edits that attempt to change the word? Is there a specific reason why Linda Evangelista shouldn't be listed as a supermodel? Auror Andrachome (talk) 05:44, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Model is an actual occupation. Linda is a person who models for a living. She doesn't "supermodel" for a living. Lupine453 (talk) 21:47, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That seems very arbitrary. Wikipedia's very own definition of a supermodel "is a highly paid fashion model who usually has a worldwide reputation and often a background in haute couture and commercial modeling." Linda Evangelist would most definitely qualify under wikipedia's own set definition. I'd also like to note that the supermodel article lists Linda Evangelista as an example of one. Auror Andrachome (talk) 04:54, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * You didn't at all understand what I said. There is no occupation called "supermodel"; it is entirely a subjective term. There's even a video of Linda herself saying the line "Well I don't know what a supermodel is".
 * Okay well I'm going to ahead and change it to supermodel for two reasons: (1) it's a recognized term (2) wikipedia describes her as a supermodel. Auror Andrachome (talk) 20:22, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It's not an occupation, It's fan/celebrity journalism cruft. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 20:41, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * This game of semantics is getting tired. Wikipedia describes a supermodel as "a highly paid fashion model who usually has a worldwide reputation and often a background in haute couture and commercial modeling." How curious that wikipedia itself believes it to be an occupation, albeit a more highly paid model. Auror Andrachome (talk) 15:04, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

the five supermodels?
In the first sentence of the third paragraph, the phrase, "as a key figure among the five supermodels" is confusing. Apologies if these supermodels are so well-known that they need no clarification. Trilotat (talk) 12:41, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Getting out of bed - variation on a theme
Christopher Hitchens uses a variation on the theme of "not getting out of bed for less" here at 3m30s in 1987, well before 1990 when Linda Evangelista gave her version. See Wikiquote There must be much earlier versions than 1987. Stikko (talk) 10:36, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

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