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Text from 2001
This doesn't read like an encyclopedia entry to me. Comments? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.191.188.xxx (talk) 19:45, 2 December 2001 (UTC)
 * This comment was made by the author of the page when it was only about the film with this title and it appeared like [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Casablanca&oldid=244923 this]. It was later [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Casablanca&diff=749843033&oldid=749843031 removed as unconstructive] by Eclecticology. He could not have known about the context of that comment, because the 2001 edits hadn't yet been imported into the Wikipeedia database and even once they were, the talk page edit was never imported because it was the only one in the page's history; it was only available on the Nostalgia Wikipedia. The original talk page was deleted in May 2004 because it was a blank page; I've imported all the missing edits. Graham 87 13:18, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Second-largest mosque
King Hassan's II mosque is the second largest after Mecca. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.33.65.108 (talk) 03:19, 2 December 2004 (UTC)

I have conflicting sources on this. Provided Mecca is counted as a mosque (which it should be IMO), Hassan II is either the second or the third. Can anyone help? --Vjam 20:59, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Meaning of Casablanca's arabic name
The English name of the city, Casablanca, means White House in Spanish. But I think Arabic Dar el Beyda actually means 'House of the White (princesse). It comes from Lalla Beida (The White Princess), for whom a memorial was built in the city.

--Revas 19:48, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi Revas. I am not quite sure of what you said and never heard about that. All I know that the Arabic name is Ad-dar el Beyda and not Dar el Beyda; which means that it has a definite article and therefore can't mean a House of the White (princesse). Cheers -- Szvest 08:19, 27 December 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up™

I have reverted this to "House of the White Princess" - at least one source seems to confirm (the Rough Guide to Morocco). However, think this needs advice. Historically, this may have referred to a princess, but there is no word for princess in the name. I'd suggest that a better translation might be "House of the White One", but I'm not an Arabic speaker and I'm just surmising. --Vjam 21:32, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I am not sure again Vjam about what comes in (the Rough Guide to Morocco). All I know is that the time the Portuguese arrived, they called it Casa Branca and I've heard because of a white house on a hill in Anfa. However, I'll seek advice from Khalid hassani who surely can sort this out for us. Cheers - Szvest 22:34, 27 December 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up™
 * Hi Fayssal, thanks for seeking my advice :). As far as I know, the name is in fact from a portuguese origine and was originally Casa branca which means white house (after a white house near the shore visible from the sea) the name has been later transformed to Casablanca. The arabic name Dar el Beyda name derives from Casablanca and not the other way around. See also the French entry : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casablanca#Histoire.--Khalid hassani 23:52, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, it seems to me that the Portuguese must have been the first to name the town white anything. However, as noted above, the classical Arabic name uses the definite article "el". Not being an Arabic speaker, it would seem to me that this makes the "el beyda" part of the name a noun, rather than an adjective (it is an adjective in the Spanish and Portuguese versions). If "white" is a noun here, then "White House" cannot be the translation, although it could be something more like "House of the White One", as I suggested above.

 * The basic question (for an Arabic speaker) is: is the "el beyda" in "ad dar el beyda" an adjectival or a noun phrase? --Vjam 16:41, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi Vjam. Good question. It must be noted that there's one more important definite article for dar as well (ad-dar where ad mean al).
 * Dar el Beyda = Casa Do Branca = House of the white (one).
 * Ad dar el beyda = Casa Branca = The White house. Cheers -- Szvest 17:44, 28 December 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up™
 * If I may clear up the confusion (as both an Arabic speaker and inhabitant of Casa), the Arabic name, using Modern Standard Form, is ad-Dar al-Baida, lit. The White House. It seems to me a bit of confusion occurs in hearing local Casa dialect, where ad-Dar tends to get pronounced d-Dar l-Beida. That is the definate article on Dar (house) tends to get eaten by a lot of people. If Rough Guide is pimping the idea of the White One, that's their ignorance. And, yes, Beida is adjectival to Dar here. Wierd little controversy.(Collounsbury 03:00, 31 January 2006 (UTC)).

Moved the Arabic script in the first para back to being Standard Arabic. This may be wrong, but the way someone had moved things around ended up being incoherent. Please correct if you are qualified to do so. --Vjam 21:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Since Independence Section
This section needs work as it is simply a random unconnected set of factiods.

Surface
The surface of the city would be a great info to insert in the article. Is there any suburb around it? If so, surface and total population would be nice, too. --SidiLemine 16:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Portuguese domination 1515-1755 is a legend
This never happened, according Encliclopedia of Islam the site was desert between 1468 and c. 1756. The project of stablish a fortress in Anfa was forgott after portuguese fracas in Mamura.--83.33.220.71 (talk) 20:16, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Demographics
Why is it that there's about 3 sentences on the general population of the city, while there's an entire section devoted to the Jewish demographic which by account of the section, is only a few thousand people? It even starts listing synagogues. While I think the history of Judaism in the city is interesting, the demographic section could use more information on the majority demographics, and less adverts for the synagogues and obscure Israeli plays. 67.71.31.52 (talk) 01:50, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I agree!

--196.12.242.148 (talk) 04:15, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

 * If you want more info on the other demographics in Casablanca, then research and write about them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.28.205.138 (talk) 19:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Culture section
I think a section about culture is needed. There are lots of movies based on Casablanca. Museums can be included in the culture section, as well as cuisine, music (pop, traditional), etc. --Rochelimit (talk) 10:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Climate
A cursory look at the climate section, and in particular the precipitation figures, reveals that they are almost certainly inaccurate. Anyone who has spent time in Casablanca during February and March knows that significant precipitation occurs during these months (and frankly just by looking at the figures, the discontinuity looks suspicious). Other sources corroborate my claim. If noone objects, I suggest this discrepancy should be corrected, probably simply by replacing the current data with data from euroWEATHER. Elostirion (talk) 21:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Location
The article's lead states that the location is "western Morocco"... Looking at the location on the SVG and Google Maps, this isn't accurate. It's more central and on the northern coast more than anything else. TunaSushi (talk • contribs) 21:48, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * anyone care to comment? TunaSushi (talk) 15:32, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It depends which map one goes by. -- anon.

Another Climate
How comes mediterranean climate is "Bsh" at Köppen's classification?! Bsh is hot semi-arid climate. מתיא (talk) 20:51, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Anyone who has been in Casablanca in the summer stares in disbelief at the climate section. Was it created by the Chamber of Commerce to attract tourists? I would add 25F to the totals. Can we find a better source? Profhum (talk) 06:41, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Map
Could some-one put an arrow on the map indicating the location of the city? To my eyes, the tiny spot could just as well be part of the ocean. Kdammers (talk) 11:00, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Timeline of Casablanca
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content! Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 16:49, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

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Marina text is pure PR
"=== Casablanca Marina ===

Located on the seafront on 26 hectares, Casablanca Marina offers upscale residential products, office spaces which respect the international standards, shops and a convention Centre up to the national and international expectations for the organization and hosting congresses. Casablanca Marina also embodies an ideal urban and environmental context, it has local services, parks and a professional team to manage the site. it aims to become an essential destination for recreational boaters seeking long stays, or just an unforgettable stopover on their way to West Africa, the Caribbean or the shores of North America. It is noteworthy that the Works of the project has started at the beginning of 2012 and it is expected to be completed in the summer of 2014"

This is disgusting. 213.152.161.30 (talk) 21:30, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep, removed. Ljgua124 (talk) 23:34, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

"Racial makeup"
I just eliminated the part "Racial makeup" from the infobox. It was quite ridiculous, saying that there are about 65% Arabs, 24% Berbers and 10% Moriscos. Arabs and Berbers are definitely not "races" in Morocco but language groups, and although it's quite possible that you'd have 65% percent Arab-speaking and 24% Berber-speaking population in Casablanca, we can't assure that without a source. Now the Morisco claim is just ridiculous, as there is no such thing as a Morisco race, and neither an defined ethnic or language group. Ilyacadiz (talk) 13:12, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

 * Somebody (IP) added the Racial makeup again. I'm adamant that it is not correct to add figures into the infobox with no source given at all. If there is any observation about some supposed "racial" composition of the city, it might be presented first in the normal text in the Demograpics Section, sourced and explained. Maybe better first debate here. The use of the term "Races" is polemic anyhow. Thanks Ilyacadiz (talk) 21:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

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Should we mention the film in the lead?
I wanted to be bold and add a mention of the the ever-so-famous movie in the lead, but it was reverted within a minute. My ES read. The revert ES read

Now, after swallowing my anger from such refusal without arguments, let's talk this through. , please come here and tell me why you considered my edit bad. I checked the talk before, and there were no consensus for nor against mentioning the film in the lead. If your concern is sources, just say so and I'll see if Google will prove me right or prove me wrong. Thankful for cooperation, thankful for Wikipedia, Gaioa (click to talk) 22:43, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm very sorry you got all angry over this, but you really shouldn't be surprised that a bold edit got reverted, and your rather arrogant edsum got ignored. You are not special enough to forbid anybody from reverting you. May I suggest you read WP:CYCLE, often referred to as WP:BRD, and perhaps abide by what you find there, it'll prevent you from getting all wound up. Also note that your bold edit was not reverted within a minute. As to your refusal without arguments, see my edsum, and try to understand it. I know you read it, because you reproduced it above. I also note that somebody else agrees with me. -Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 07:37, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Um... any arguments about my edit?? As far as I can see,, you have only talked about my behavior. Wanna do something else than mansplaining my arguments, such as discussing the change? Thankful for cooperation, thankful for Wikipedia, Gaioa (click to talk) 16:36, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The film is mentioned in the "In popular culture" section, and that is sufficient for something only peripherally related to the subject of the article. After all, the film is not about Casablanca, it's about a fictional romance set in Casablanca, and therefore doesn't deserve a mention in the lede of the article. Carlstak (talk) 17:11, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah! See, this is the kind of conversation I want to have on WP. On-topic and free from meta-discussions. Cred to you, Carlstak! And yes, when I think about it, the movie was not about the city so much that it should be associated with it - the film was set there and the film carried the name in its title. Ok, I back down. We're not mentioning the film in the lead. Thankful for cooperation, thankful for Wikipedia, Gaioa (click to talk) 18:11, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Mansplaining? Take a hike. -Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 17:27, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Again with being hung-up on words, huh? Oh well, be thankful someone else could give arguments so that you didn't have to. ;( Thankful for cooperation, thankful for Wikipedia, Gaioa (click to talk) 18:11, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

"99.9% of the population of Morocco are Arab and Berber Muslims."
No doubt they form the vast majority, but really 99.9%? That seems implausible for a pretty significant global city. 2602:306:CFEA:170:5C3C:5277:8BC8:C750 (talk) 01:41, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

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Photo needs connecting
There is a photograph labeled "The Qaid of Casablanca, Si Boubker Ben Bouzid Slaoui, captive on the French cruiser Galilée." No-where in the text is this person mentioned. Who is he and why is he a captive? Also, which person in the picture is he? 2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:D9CB:104:E2D2:F6B3 (talk) 22:34, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

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Stop mentioning Salut Casa!
I don't think it's necessary to mention the movie Salut Casa!, since it's extremely obscure. We don't need to mention every movie about Casablanca in the Casablanca article. Mucube (talk · contribs) 04:34, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

 * It's a propaganda film about Casablanca of great historical significance. It's not obscure at all. إيان (talk) 05:09, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * As I said in the edit summary of my revert, I don't see any reason to delete something that fits the topic of the section, is sourced, and doesn't take up disproportionate space. I don't see it as a matter of being "necessary", so much as a matter of being relevant. I can't speak further to how "obscure" it is, but if you can say it about this film you could surely say it about other films mentioned in that section and remove the majority of content for no gain. This seems like an arbitrary motivation in this context. PS: Not sure why you titled this discussion "Stop mentioning Salut Casa"; it's mentioned once. R Prazeres (talk) 05:23, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

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Ram Chandra Kak

Ram Chandra Kak (5 June 1893 – 10 February 1983) was the prime minister of Jammu and Kashmir during 1945–1947. One of the very few Kashmiri Pandits to ever hold that post, Kak had the intractable job of navigating the troubled waters of the transfer of power from British Raj to the independent dominions of India and Pakistan.

Kak was also a pioneering archaeologist who excavated the major sites of antiquities in Kashmir Valley and wrote a definitive treatise on them.

Early life
Ram Chandra Kak was the second among seven children (four sons and three daughters) of Keshav Lal Kak (b. 1873) —a money-lender and part time trader— and Bhageshwari Devi. He spent his early life in the Gurguri Mohalla of Srinagar. Kak graduated from Sri Pratap College in 1913 and enrolled for a M. A., before being selected for training in archaeology. From 1914 to 1919, Kak trained under John Marshall.

Career
After training, Kak was appointed as the superintendent of the newly established Department of Archaeology, before being promoted to the Director. He also served as the curator of SPS Museum, and Librarian of Maharaja Hari Singh's private library.

Kak was appointed to the post of Chief Secretary in 1934, followed by Inspector General of Customs & Excise in 1935. In 1938, he was inducted as the "Political Advisor" to the Maharaja, and then as the Minister of Military Affairs in 1941. He held the role of "minister-in-waiting" for the Maharaja Hari Singh during 1942–1945.

Prime minister of Jammu and Kashmir
Kak was appointed the prime minister of Jammu and Kashmir from June 1945 until 11 August 1947, during the key transitional period when the British were preparing for departure from India.

1946
In 1946, as the National Conference (NC) began the Quit Kashmir movement against the Maharaja, Kak declared martial law and had all leaders arrested on 20 May. Sheikh Abdullah was soon sentenced to imprisonment for three years. Jawaharlal Nehru attempted to appear as his defence counsel but his entry to Srinagar was blocked by Kak on 21 July. Kak remained defiant despite multiple Congress leaders requesting him to have Abdullah released.

Kak, in an unpublished memoir on the accession-disputes, claims to have been ill-disposed to these pleas because the Indian National Congress (INC) had lent its "great weight of authority" to Abdullah's misplaced agitation; INC is castigated for publishing "highly coloured, inaccurate and vituperative statements" and passing resolutions against Singh's government. These unfavorable views about INC would guide his (and Maharaja's) decision to not accede to India —rather than any fundamental objection to the accession itself—, next month. In late July, Kak met with Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel —who was to become the home minister of the Interim Government of India— but discussions did not get very far. Patel advised that Sheikh Abdullah be released from prison and steps taken to improve relations between the ruler and the people much to the displeasure of Kak, who rejected Patel's authority and jurisdiction. Patel took offence at what he called the "cold, official touch-me-not attitude" and rejected supporting any plan involving complete independence for Kashmir.

Kak's initiative having ended in failure, the British Resident in Kashmir reported in November that Kashmir was likely to stay out of the Indian Union — the cited reason was "antagonism [...] displayed by a Congress Central Government".

1947
After the Partition of India was decided in June 1947, a decision on accession became imminent. Lord Mountbatten visited Kashmir in June (19–23 June) and coaxed Kak as well as Singh into choosing a side while guaranteeing the continuance of constitutional monarchy; on being asked by Kak about the "right choice", he hinted in favor of Pakistan. However, accession to Pakistan did not appeal to Kak and he concluded that "since Kashmir would not accede to Pakistan, it could not accede to India". Kak advised the Maharaja of Kashmir to remain independent for at least a year, before deciding on the issue of accession.

In July, Kak met the leaders of INC and Muslim League at New Delhi. Jinnah, coordinating the accession of princely states to Pakistan, promised lucrative terms on an immediate deal but Kak stood by his earlier position. Jinnah did not mind as long as Kashmir did not accede to India. Kak also met V. P. Menon, the secretary in charge of princely states for India, and would later claim to have had him convinced about Kashmir's reasons for not acceding on an immediate basis; India was also apparently requested to help with the state's 'security arrangements'. In contrast, Menon would hold Kak's replies to be evasive and note that "he could neither understand the man [Kak] nor fathom his game". General Henry Scott, the Chief of Staff of State Forces, in his last report opined that Kak favored independence but closer ties with Pakistan.

On 1 August 1947, Gandhi visited Kashmir and pointed out to Kak how unpopular he was among the people. In response, Kak offered to resign. However, the Maharaja —who was increasingly against joining Pakistan due to a variety of reasons and trying to repair relationships with INC— is believed to have already decided, a few weeks earlier, to dismiss Kak for being an impediment to the process, and declare general amnesty to political prisoners.

Dismissal
Kak was dismissed as Prime Minister on 11 August 1947 and put under house arrest; he was replaced with a retired army officer Janak Singh. According to Kak, all senior officials such as the Chief Secretary, the Chief of the Army Staff, the Inspector General of Police were also replaced by less experienced people from the Maharaja's own community, which Kak described as a "decapitation" of the State administration. According to Henry Lawrence Scott, the Maharaja acted under influence of the Deputy Prime Minister M L. Batra, a Hindu swami, and the Maharani's brother Nachint Chand, all of whom wanted Kashmir to join India at the earliest.

Kak would return to the Maharaja's service a few weeks later, though not as the prime minister. On 14 September, the Maharaja informed Kak about forming a committee to enquire into his actions as the erstwhile Prime-Minister of the state; Kak declined to participate. On 16 September, Kak attempted to leave the state along with his family, having arranged a flight with help from Scott. But his departure was blocked by the Maharaja, and he was put under house arrest. However, with Scott's support, his family was allowed to leave on 22 September.

Trial
After the tribal invasion in October, the Maharaja signed accession to the Dominion of India and moved to Jammu. Sheikh Adbdullah was appointed as the Head of Emergency Administration in Srinagar. Kak's detention was continued and he was moved to the Badami Bagh. Kak's wife, Margaret Kak, lobbied with the Mountbattens arguing for Kak's release and even Stafford Cripps in London raised it with Jawaharlal Nehru. Sheikh Abdullah's administration maintained that they had evidence that Kak was hobnobbing with the Pakistani raiders and agents. In his autobiography, Sheikh Abdullah held that Kak believed Kashmir, being a Muslim majority state, was bound to accede to Pakistan and prepared to be in its service; nonetheless, he praised Kak for maintaining good relations with the ruling circles in Pakistan.

Kak was tied to hay-ropes and paraded through the streets. Kashmiris aligned to the National Conference heckled him. In April 1948, he was tried for three criminal offences — he was acquitted on two counts but convicted of the third, and jailed. He was pardoned (and released), arguably under pressure from Delhi, but on the condition that he may never enter Kashmir without the permission of the state. Kak retired from public life, and migrated to Kasauli.

In 1959, the Chief Justice of Jammu and Kashmir High Court —Syed Murtaza Fazl Ali— voided the externment order upon an appeal from Kak but rejected his petition to be paid due pension. The court held that the Government had exercised reasonable discretion in withholding pensions from someone convicted of an offence involving moral turpitude. Kak returned back to Kashmir, but alternated between Srinagar and Kasauli.

Personal life
Ram Chandra Kak married Janaki Devi (b. 1894) in 1901. They had five sons —Shailendra, Narendra, Brijendra, Surendra, and Khemendra— and a daughter, who died in infancy. They had also adopted Kak's grand-niece Lila. Devi died in 1928, from tuberculosis.

In 1935, Kak married Margaret Mary. Khemendra, a pilot for the Royal Indian Air Force, died in 1945 of a air-crash near Risalpur; this affected Kak considerably.

Academics
Ram Chandra Kak was in possession of the two complete Sharada script copies of the Nilamata Purana, when a critical edition was being prepared by K. de Vreese.

Kak wrote a treatise on Kashmiri archaeology titled Ancient monuments of Kashmir in 1933; Francis Younghusband wrote the foreword to the book. The book focused on the destruction of temples by Muslim rulers to such an extent, that he was compelled by the publisher to expunge certain "irrelevant" passages lest communal harmony was affected; a chapter on political history of Kashmir portrayed the centuries of Islamic rule as "one of unmitigated plunder, barbarism, and iconoclasm." Historian Mridu Rai notes his work to fit into the usual scheme of the State Archaeological Department in privileging Hindus over the Muslims by various direct and indirect means; Ananya Jahanara Kabir reiterates such observations.

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Cork City F.C.

Cork City Football Club  (Cumann Peile Chathair Chorcaí) is an Irish association football club based in Cork. The club was founded and elected to the League of Ireland in 1984.

It was one of the first clubs in Ireland (and the first in Cork) to field a team of professional footballers. With the progression of professionalism at the club, continued development of the Turners Cross stadium and the transition to summer football, the club became one of the biggest and best supported clubs in the country. In a survey published in 2020, the club was the highest supported League of Ireland (LOI) club.

Cork City won its third LOI Premier Division title, and first FAI Cup double, during the 2017 season. While the club were 2022 LOI First Division champions and were promoted to the top tier for the 2023 League of Ireland Premier Division season, after a play-off defeat they dropped back to the LOI First Division for the 2024 season.

The club's traditional colours are green and white with red trim, and the crest is a variant of the Cork coat of arms. City's home games are played at Turners Cross.

Pre-1980s
The current club are not the first to use the name Cork City. During the 1920s, teams referred to as Cork City competed in both the Munster Senior League and the Munster Senior Cup. A team named Cork City finished as Munster Senior Cup runners up in 1924–1925. Another Cork City F.C. also played in the League of Ireland between 1938 and 1940.

1980s
Following the bankruptcy of Cork United in 1982, senior football returned to the city with the formation of a new Cork City FC in 1984. Founded by officials from several Cork clubs (including Cork United and Avondale United), the new club was elected to the League of Ireland. Bobby Tambling was the first manager appointed to the club, but he was replaced by Tony 'Tucker' Allen after only 13 games.

In its first and second seasons, the young club barely averted relegation to the new First Division – failing to win a single game at home in Flower Lodge and avoiding relegation only on goal difference. The club reached the semi-finals of the FAI Cup, but were knocked-out by Shamrock Rovers – in the last match played at the Lodge.

In 1986, the club moved to a new home at Turners Cross, where new manager Noel O'Mahony brought Cork to a midtable finish. The following year, former Ireland striker Eamon O'Keefe arrived as manager, delivering the Munster Senior Cup, and the League of Ireland Cup (the club's first national silverware).

By 1988, O'Mahony was re-installed as manager, and the side finished eighth in the league, and a loss to champions Derry City in the FAI Cup final earned the club its first European ticket. While Torpedo Moscow knocked the club out of the 1989–90 European Cup Winners' Cup, City earned a fifth-place finish in the Premier Division, and the Munster Senior Cup was reclaimed.

1990s
The early 1990s saw lengthy unbeaten league runs, high league positions, retention of the Munster Senior Cup through four years, and a number of games in European competition. The most notable European game was a UEFA Cup tie with Bayern Munich, which saw City hold the Germans 1:1 at Musgrave Park before falling 0:2 to late goals in Bavaria. 1993 saw Cork City land the League of Ireland Premier Division title for the first time, after a complicated three team play-off. O'Mahoney resigned and the club moved to a new stadium in Bishopstown at the end of the season.

Damien Richardson took the helm and the 1993/94 season began with City coming from three goals down to beat Welsh side Cwmbran Town in the UEFA Champions League. In the following round, they suffered odd-goal defeats both home and away to Turkish side Galatasaray. City finished in runners-up position in the league that year.

1994/95 was a varied season for Cork City. After a strong start to the season, financial pressures forced Richardson to resign and with Bishopstown not being developed to plan, games were switched to Cobh, Turners Cross, and an enforced trip to Tolka Park. Noel O'Mahony was re-appointed as manager but the title challenge collapsed. The club did have successes in the Munster Senior Cup and League of Ireland Cup that season however.

At the start of the 1995/96 season Rob Hindmarch took the reins, but the club was in trouble. With the stadium dragging it under, the receiver was called in and the club left 'homeless'. Efforts to save the situation saw a new board installed and a move back to Turners Cross. With limited funds, Hindmarch had skimmed along but relegation still threatened, and an FAI Cup exit saw Dave Barry appointed. The team managed a ninth-place finish in the league, and for the first time in five years City lost the Munster Cup – to Waterford junior side Waterford Crystal.

1996/97 saw City finish in fourth place. The club also narrowly lost out in the League Cup with an unexpected loss to First Division Galway United. Crowds began to increase, and the Munster Senior Cup was recaptured. The following season, Cork performed well in the InterToto Cup and the team improved to third in the league. Dave Barry's reign reached its high point in that year, when City won the 1998 FAI Cup. Cork began the following season with eight straight wins but in the end had to settle for second place, as three defeats to champions St Patrick's Athletic were costly. After finishing runner-up for the second season in a row in 1999/2000, Barry resigned to be replaced by Colin Murphy.

2000s
Colin Murphy stayed for one FAI Super Cup game before departing to Leicester City just days before a UEFA Cup game. His replacement, Derek Mountfield, lasted less than a season and was replaced by former player Liam Murphy. Under Murphy, City embarked on a 13-game unbeaten run that brought an Intertoto ticket and a tenth Munster Cup success.

In 2001, a controversial link-up was proposed between City, English side Leicester City and local outfit Mayfield United. Fans protested however, and the link-up never materialised. Also in 2001, the board of directors stepped down and businessman Brian Lennox assumed control and lead the club to a professional era.

2002 was most notable as a time of transition, as several older players, who had been a mainstay of the team in the 1990s, left the club or joined the coach staff. They were replaced by younger signings – such as George O'Callaghan, John O'Flynn and Dan Murray.

In February 2003, ex-St. Pat's manager Pat Dolan was unveiled as the new boss and he led City to third place in the new summer season. Dolan's second season as manager also proved successful, as City surpassed Malmö FF and NEC Nijmegen in the Intertoto Cup and secured second place in the league.

Dolan was controversially sacked in pre-season 2005 and replaced by former manager Damien Richardson. In 2005, Richardson lead Cork City to their second league championship – winning on the final day of the season with a 2–0 victory over Derry City. In the same year, Cork City finished runners-up the FAI Cup.

2006 saw further upgrade work begin at Turners Cross and City met Apollon Limassol and Red Star Belgrade in the UEFA Champions League. The club lost to Drogheda United in the Setanta Cup Final, finished 4th in the league, and secured a place in the Intertoto and Setanta Cup.

At the start of the 2007 season, two new signings were deemed ineligible for play. This mirrored an inconsistent season start, with elimination from the Setanta Cup, a home win against St. Pat's and a record-equaling 4–1 defeat to Sligo Rovers. In August 2007, Roy O'Donovan left for Sunderland for a record LOI fee of €500,000. 2007 also saw the club's ownership change hands: from chairman Brian Lennox to venture capital firm "Arkaga". Despite an FAI Cup win, manager Damien Richardson's future at the club was in doubt, and – after some acrimony – he and the club parted ways.

In January 2008, former Longford Town boss Alan Mathews became manager, and the club signed several players – including taking advantage of FIFA's changes to the "3 club" rule by re-signing George O'Callaghan from Ipswich Town. However O'Callaghan was later dropped and released. City were knocked out of the first qualifying round in European competition by FC Haka. While David Mooney retained the league's top scorer spot, City failed to take points from Bohemians or St. Pats and finished fifth in the league. The club did however gain some silverware, beating Glentoran in the Setanta Sports Cup final. Off the pitch the club suffered a considerable threat when, in August 2008, after investment difficulties with venture capital firm Arkaga, the club entered into examinership. With debts of up to €800,000, cost-cutting measures were implemented. Under related rules, the club was docked 10 points in the league. In October 2008 the High Court ruled in favour of Tom Coughlan's bid to take over the club, and ended the examinership.

Paul Doolin replaced Mathews as manager for the 2009 season, and the side gained a number of positive results early in 2009 – including defeating Roy Keane's touring Ipswich Town 2–0. Despite these on pitch results however, the club's future was left in considerable doubt following a High Court decision on outstanding Revenue receipts. A "winding up" order was issued when no agreement could be reached on tax payments. The club were given several extensions to pay or to appeal, and the club narrowly staved off closure by meeting a final deadline. Doolin left at the end of 2009, after leading the club to a third-place finish in the 2009 League of Ireland Premier Division.

2010s
Fallout from the financial and management difficulties in 2008 and 2009 followed the club into the new decade. Roddy Collins was appointed manager before the start of the 2010 season, despite questions over his contract status at Floriana F.C. Mounting pressure on owner Tom Coughlan (including threatened boycotts and censure by the FAI) resulted in his resignation as chairman. Club participation in the Premier Division was also left in doubt as licensing decisions were deferred pending changes in club ownership and payment of outstanding tax receipts.

Despite some temporary stays, and several months of court and legal wrangling, the club ultimately failed to gain a licence, meaning a deal on new ownership could not be secured, and the courts enforced a winding-up order on Cork City Investment FC Limited. Cork City fans entered the 2010 League of Ireland First Division with a new company under the name Cork City FORAS Co-op in the immediate aftermath of the winding up of the holding company CCIFC Ltd. The name of the club was restored on 1 June 2010 when a supporters' trust, FORAS, completed the purchase of the rights from Cork City Investments FC Ltd's liquidator. The team continued to compete in the League of Ireland as Cork City FORAS Co-op for the remainder of the season – though the club and most Irish media returned to calling the club Cork City FC, and supporters used this name during the entire period regardless.

Tommy Dunne (formerly assistant manager to Paul Doolin) was appointed first team manager, and oversaw the 2010 season. A number of players were called-up and played for the Ireland U23s, and others to the Ireland U21s. Shane Duggan, and Graham Cummins were both named in the PFAI First Division Team of the Year, while Cummins won the PFAI First Division Player of the Year award and was joint top-scorer in the First Division with 18 league goals. Cork ultimately finished sixth in the First Division in 2010.

In 2011, the club won the First Division, on the last day of the season, securing promotion to the Premier Division. The team also reached the league cup final, which was won by Derry City. The club were knocked-out of the 2012 FAI Cup by Shamrock Rovers in the third round, and finished sixth in the 2012 Premier Division league competition.

Results at the start of the 2013 season led to the removal of Tommy Dunne as manager by August, with Stuart Ashton overseeing the remainder of the season and a sixth-place finish. Former veteran player and record scorer John Caulfield was appointed manager in 2014, and oversaw unbeaten runs at the start and end of the season – keeping pressure on league-leaders Dundalk. However, despite pushing the title to a final day decider, Caulfield's side failed to pick up points from Dundalk and finished second in the 2014 Premier Division competition. The club were also runners-up in the 2015 season, again finishing second to Dundalk. This won them a place in the qualifying rounds of the UEFA Europa League, where they made it to the third round, their best European record since 1997. For the third consecutive year, Cork City finished second to Dundalk in the 2016 Premier Division. However, in November they beat Dundalk in the 2016 FAI Cup final after Sean Maguire scored a last minute extra time goal to win Caulfield his first major trophy as manager.

The 2017 season started with a 22-game unbeaten run, however a number of less favourable results mid-season (and the departure of league top-scorer Sean Maguire to the UK and international duty) pushed City's "inevitable" championship win until later in the season. Cork City were named 2017 League of Ireland Premier Division champions on 17 October 2017 - with several games in hand. The club completed its first league and cup 'double', by winning the 2017 FAI Cup Final a few weeks later on 5 November 2017.

City started 2018 with a third successive President's Cup final win over Dundalk - in a game overshadowed by the death of former player Liam Miller, who died earlier in February 2018. As with the preceding four seasons, Dundalk were Cork's main rivals in the 2018 League of Ireland Premier Division and 2018 FAI Cup, with Dundalk ultimately winning both.

A series of poor results at the start of the 2019 season, saw the departure of John Caulfield as manager. Neale Fenn was appointed as Caulfield's replacement in August 2019, following a period where Frank Kelleher and John Cotter held interim management and coaching positions. Cork City finished the 2019 season in 8th position, with just 9 wins and 37 points.

2020s
With five games remaining in the 2020 season, and the club at the bottom of the table with just 2 wins, Neale Fenn was replaced as manager by Colin Healy. The club's relegation to the League of Ireland First Division was sealed on 24 October 2020, as their bottom of the table 10th-place finish was confirmed following a Finn Harps win over Bohemians.

In late October 2020, the supporters' trust agreed to sell the club to Preston North End owner Trevor Hemmings through his company Grovemoor Limited. However, in mid-December 2020, it was reported that the proposed sale would not progress, as Grovemoor Limited could not agree "terms on a lease agreement with the Munster Football Association" for the use of Turner's Cross. Hemmings, who had previously "rescue[d] Cork City" by increasing the payments offered for several player sell-on clauses, died in 2021. Relegated to the first division for the 2021 season, the club finished in sixth place, outside the premier division promotion places.

After winning the 2022 LOI First Division title in October 2022, with "two games to spare", the club secured promotion back to the premier division for the subsequent season. In late 2022, FORAS voted to transfer ownership of the club to businessman Dermot Usher, via a new company (Cathair Chorcaí 2022 FC Limited), subject to the execution of "deeds of surrender" on the call-option agreed with Grovemoor Limited in 2020. Liam Buckley was appointed as sporting director in early May 2023, and Colin Healy resigned as first team manager shortly afterwards. In September 2023, Richie Holland was named manager. In November 2023, after finishing ninth and losing to an extra-time penalty in the 2023 playoff decider, Cork City were again relegated to the LOI First Division for the 2024 season.

Tim Clancy replaced Richie Holland as coach towards the end of 2023, and was first team manager at the start of the 2024 season. A "youthful" and "experiment[al]" Cork City side were knocked out of the 2023-2024 Munster Senior Cup by Wilton United at the last-16 stage. The club started the 2024 League of Ireland First Division season with a 17-game unbeaten run.

Ownership
Until 2022, Cork City FC was owned by its supporters through a supporters' trust – the Friends of the Rebel Army Society (FORAS). FORAS came into existence during 2008, when financial issues resulted in a period of examinership, and the club's then holding company was wound up in 2010. FORAS entered a team into the 2010 League of Ireland First Division, before re-acquiring rights to the name "Cork City Football Club", and being promoted back to the premier division for the 2012 season. As of February 2022, the club remained within the ownership of the trust, however in December 2022, FORAS members approved the transfer of ownership to businessman Dermot Usher, with 86% support for the proposal.

Stadium
Cork City play their home games at Turners Cross – a 7,365 all-seater stadium on the southside of Cork City. The stadium is rented, as part of a long-term agreement, from the Munster Football Association.

Retired numbers
12 – Club supporters (the 12th man)

Technical staff
As of 2024, technical staff members supporting the first team included:

Kit and colours
The club's colours largely reflected the traditional colours of association football in Cork, with green and white featuring heavily. Since the club's inception in 1984, the kits also featured a red trim – influenced in part by the traditional Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) colours of County Cork. Over the years, these base colours were worn in different combinations: originally green and white hoops in 1984, then white shirts with green and red trim in 1989.

In 1997, the club broke with tradition to use a red and white kit – similar to the Cork County GAA kits. Subsequently, the club reverted to the green and white theme in 2002, initially with white sidings rather than stripes, but eventually returning to green white and red stripes.

In 2004, when playing Intertoto cup opponents NEC Nijmegen, the referee deemed that both of Cork City's kits clashed with both of NEC's kits, and the club was forced to hurriedly source an alternative. The team ultimately wore borrowed all-white kits with a makeshift crest and sponsorship.

There was a recurring theme of black away kits – often with yellow trim – reflecting the kits of former Cork clubs. In 2004, a Cork XI selection featuring a number of City players faced Bolton Wanderers, wearing yellow and black. Black again became the colour of the team's away jersey in 2008, with a jersey from Danish maker Hummel.

In 2010, the club kept with tradition by wearing a green home kit with red and white trim manufactured by Hummel. The away kit for 2010 and 2011 was red with white trim, similar to Cork GAA kits. City wore red at home for the first time since the 2001/02 season on 10 September 2010 against Mervue United to show support for the Cork Gaelic footballers who were due to face Down in the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final the following weekend.

In November 2011, the club announced Umbro Ireland as the club's official kit partner. For the 2015, 2016 and 2017 seasons, the club's official kit partner was Nike, with gear provided by Teamwear Ireland. Starting from the 2018 season, the club's kit was supplied by Adidas. As of 2024, Adidas remained the kit provider.

Supporters and rivalries

Cork City have one of the biggest support bases in the League of Ireland, and for example in early 2017 had average attendances of between four and five thousand per home game, compared to a league average of approximately 1,500. The club had an average attendance of 4,453 during the 2015 season, the highest in Ireland, and approximately 1,000 higher than the next highest averages. A 2020 survey indicated that Cork City had the highest number of supporters among League of Ireland clubs, and was the sixth highest supported football club in Ireland overall (between Chelsea and Barcelona).

"The Shed" is a section of seating in the Curragh Road stand which is home to Cork City's more vocal supporters. Before redevelopment, this was the location of the 'Shed End' terrace, which was knocked in 2005. The Family Enclosure is a specified area in the 'Donie Forde' stand, where families and children watch games in a less boisterous atmosphere than that of the Shed End.

While there has never been any significant rivalry between the clubs, the only other league side in the Cork area is Cobh Ramblers F.C. Cork City has had some historical rivalry with Dundalk, as the two were Ireland's two biggest clubs between 2014 and 2017. As of 2017, games against Limerick F.C. were sometimes referred to as the 'Munster Derby'. Prior to 2010, this term was also sometimes applied to games against Waterford FC. Rivalry has also existed with some Dublin clubs, such as Shamrock Rovers. Following a game in May 2023, "disgusting" chants (which referred to his young son with leukemia) were directed from outside Cork City's ground at Shamrock Rovers' manager Stephen Bradley. The incident was condemned by local businesses and the club, and Bradley subsequently thanked the "genuine fans of Cork City" for their support. The club issued lifetime bans to those involved.

Former fanzines have included "FourFiveOne", "No More Plastic Pitches", and "I was out there once!" (IWOTO).

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Talk:List of political parties in Australia

Who is an authority on what political parties exist?
I know I've recently been the one to edit this page more in line with the the federal and state/territory electoral commissions but the news on the deregistration of the United Australia Party with the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) has made me wonder if the electoral commissions should be considered to hold the comprehensive list of parities. Ralph Babet has stated that he remains a member of the party and the Australian parliament house (APH) website agrees.

Further complicating the issue is that both the AEC and APH list separately the Country Liberal Party and the AEC lists the Liberal National Party of Queensland as a sub-party of the Liberals, while the APH lists them as a separate party.

I think we have consensus that the Coalition consists of the two parliamentary parties and not of the four 'electoral' parties, but how should we go about making this a consistent decision?

My proposal:

I think we should follow the following guidelines on which parties to include and how to list them:

As a consequence of these guidelines I would remove David Pocock from the list of parties, since it (the party) has representation and David Pocock (the person) doesn't belong to any parliamentary party (he is listed as an independent by APH), and add the United Australia Party, since it has representation even though it is not registered with the AEC.
 * 1) Parties which have representation (or which are part of a larger party with representation, e.g. the ACT Greens in the federal parliament) should be included in the parliamentary parties section, and should be grouped by their parliamentary parties.(e.g. 2 coalition parties not 4)
 * 2) Parties which have representation (or which are part of a larger party with representation) should be listed even if they are not registered with the appropriate electoral commission.
 * 3) Parties without representation (and which aren't part of a larger party with representation), should be included if they are registered with the appropriate electoral commission.
 * 4) Parties should be given a name which is recognisable, commonly used and not unnecessarily verbose (e.g. 'Australian Labor Party' rather than 'Australian Labor Party (ALP)' and FUSION rather than FUSION: Science, Pirate, Secular, Climate Emergency)
 * 5) Abbreviated names should be removed as they don't really add much and are unnecessary if we give each party commonly used names.
 * 6) Party leaders should be listed even if they sit in different parliaments to the relevant section  (e.g. Robbie Katter for Katter's Australian Party)

I'd appreciate your feedback on this proposal.

Micmicm (talk) 07:02, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

 * It is a confusing proposal.
 * Which of your numbered points supports what you propose with respect to David Pocock? The conclusions sound reasonable, but your logic in getting to those conclusions is unclear to me.
 * How can we tell what a "party" is in your proposed framework? Suppose that a politician (or candidate) regularly states "I'm always guided by the Australian Workers Union", or "I'm a devout member of the Catholic Church", or "I'm a member of the Stolen Generations and always represent them in Parliament/politics".  Are they all representing "parties"?
 * In cases like the UAP I would not list them as a party, but happy to retain something like the present footnote, converted to a comment immediately after the table.
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Missing registered parties
Several registered parties appear to be missing. And some unregistered parties should not be listed as parties (although they could be mentioned as informal groupings).

Victoria
For instance, for Victoria the VEC currently lists 22 registered parties.

Missing Victorian parties:
 * Angry Victorians Party (since October 2022)
 * Libertarian Party (since before 2021)
 * New DemocratsWrong link (since October 2022)

Not (or no longer) registered parties listed in the WP article:
 * Australian Values Party (since June 2023)
 * Liberal Democratic Party

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Hi User:1.145.20.25 - you're welcome to add any missing parties, this page is open to IP edits. ITBF (talk) 11:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

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States
It may be worth noting the situation in some states in regard to the coalition - since it has been dissolved in Victorian politics, and the only National in South Australia is a minister in the Rann Labor government. Ambi 03:29, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

you could have a section "where the coalition exists" and go through what levels of government have an existing or a past coalition agreement Xtra 04:18, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * This article probably ought to acknowledge Bjelke-era Queensland as an exception to some of its content, but I don't know the subject well enough to do it. --Calair 03:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Other coaltions?
Perhaps it would be worth mentioning other coalitions, such as the Labor-Green coalitions which held power at various times in the ACT and Tasmania.

 * The "Coalition" virtually always means the Liberal-National coalition in an Australian context. The "Labor-Green Accord" is more commonly used to refer to the Tasmanian one; "The Alliance" was the term used for the Liberal-crazy minor party coalition that ruled the ACT for a while. They might warrant a sentence linking to articles on those, but this article should remain near-entirely about the actual Coalition. Rebecca 09:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added a disambig link with info on other coalitions that should probably be cut down, but I can't find pages to point it to. twilsonb (talk) 14:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a separate disambig page is in order? —sroc (talk) 23:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Something along these lines:

 * In Australian politics, Coalition usually refers to an alliance between the Liberal and National parties.

 * Other coalitions include:
 * In the ACT:
 * Labor–Greens coalitions in 2008 and 2001
 * Liberal–Independent coalition in 1998.
 * In Tasmania, Labor–Greens coalitions formed in 2010, 1996 and 1989.

 * —sroc (talk) 23:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Well, there are already articles on coalitions (as a broad concept) and coalition governments (which already discussed the Liberal–National coalition), so rather than add another article into the mix, I have moved the list to the latter article. I have also re-ordered the list in forward chronological order.  Enjoy!  —sroc (talk) 11:57, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

state by state
This article is a bit of a mess in how it's organised. I think it needs to separately list the situation federally, and for each state, because there is so much variation across the country. Peter Ballard 01:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

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There. Now it has been re-iterated, and in the process discussed. Timeshift 02:55, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Not to be confused with climate change coalition?
Sounds a bit like opportunistic advertising to me... Timeshift (talk) 16:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree. The CCC are never called "The Coalition". Peter Ballard (talk) 00:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Have we heard if the CCC are going to be around for another election? If they disappear, then the disambiguation would become redundant. Lester  05:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I think it's safe to say... no. —sroc (talk) 12:00, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

South Australia
Before Karlene Maywald, South Australia has only ever had one Nationals MP, Peter Blacker in Electoral district of Flinders from 1973 to 1993. This online biography of Blacker makes no mention of him ever being a minister or shadow minister. That would suggest to me that SA has never had a Lib/Nat Coalition. So I've removed the uncited claim that it has. (Though I haven't said there wasn't either). Peter Ballard (talk) 02:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Barnaby Joyce
A couple of points about the recent edit re. Barnaby Joyce. First, neither of the refs say that the Nationals will sit on the cross benches. So that should be referenced or removed. Second, Joyce isn't breaking the Coalition, so I question whether it needs mentioning at all, unless some refs are saying this is a sign of a major shift in Coalition relations. Peter Ballard (talk) 23:47, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * a) Watch question time, they are right next to the Greens. Feel free to add another ref but it's true. b) Joyce has said the National Party in the Senate will vote as an independent bloc. That is completely 110% relevant. Timeshift (talk) 03:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Regarding (a), has this changed since Barnaby's taken over? And if so, had anyone comment on it? (I'm happy for something to go in if it's a significant shift, but I'm not yet convninced it is.) Peter Ballard (talk) 03:56, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

 * I believe they used to sit on the end of the Libs, so essentially they have broken off the end of the Libs and moved up to take the next 'block of 5 seats' section next to the greens. The greens use the last crossbench block on the opposition side. Fielding sits in the front corner seat on the government side, with Xenophon in the other corner behind him, in the last block. A clarification from those further aware of the situation would be good, but the seating is not as important as the independent bloc, which is the real news. Timeshift (talk) 04:00, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm puzzled. Why isn't this called "The Coalition (Australia)"
The is always part of the name of this entity. I have never heard it referred to as anything else. HiLo48 (talk) 09:05, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * As per Naming conventions (articles), article (page) names should include an article (a/the) if the article (a/the) is normally capitalised and forms part of the name. As at 2010-08-24, a search for the coalition on google shows that it isn't capitalised when part of the political party name, and is sometimes just presented "Coalition" or "A Coalition" (see particularly http://lnp.org.au/). So I don't think we should change it. twilsonb (talk) 15:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I don't understand your response. The specific example you gave - http://lnp.org.au/ - has "The" capitalised. In the Google search, I haven't counted the entries, but a lot of them have "The" capitalised. It is always spoken of with the word "The" in front, admittedly sometimes not capitalised, but my point is more about the word "The" being present, rather than the capitalisation. HiLo48 (talk) 18:02, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Labor is also referred to as "the ALP", but you would expect to find them referred to as "ALP", not "The ALP". "Coalition" is preceded by "the" depending on context, e.g., "The mood amongst Coalition MPs..." vs "The mood in the Coalition...".  I agree with Twilsonb that "the" is not essential to the name "Coalition". —sroc (talk) 23:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Your examples suggest that the presence of a "The" depends on whether "Coalition" is being used as a noun or an adjective. That would make it easy to clarify in the article. HiLo48 (talk) 03:18, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm back! Australia is now effectively being governed by a coalition, a coalition of the ALP, Greens and some independents. If I was to create an article about that coalition, its name would logically be Coalition (Australia), with a capital C, because that's how we do things here. But this article has that name, and it's about a totally different coalition. This article could quite fairly be renamed to The Coalition (Australia), because that's what it's called in all common usage as a noun. HiLo48 (talk) 03:53, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

National party dominated coalitions
The article is currently incorrect, Queensland is not the only state to have had a national party dominated coalition. Victoria has country party dominated coalitions from the 1920s to the 1950s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.208.176.68 (talk) 22:04, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Question - NT Parliament in table
Why is the NT Parliament not showing in the table of seats held? Welshboyau11 (talk) 08:20, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Weird. It should, obviously. It might be something to do with the template not being coded to handle going up to eight fields ... I don't have the technical expertise to fix it, though. Maybe drop a note over at Template:Infobox political party? Frickeg (talk) 10:42, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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Warren Truss
This page still refers to Truss as Deputy PM - I'm not sure how to reword. JennyOz (talk) 01:15, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

 * ✅ Fixed by HangingCurve on 17 April JennyOz (talk) 01:01, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Bias
This article is severely biased towards the Coalition. In some sections it makes them seem god like. This article needs a clean up. Life200BC (talk) 01:10, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Life200BC what sections would you say are biased? Ivar the Boneful (talk) 01:43, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Reconsidering it probably isn't that biased, but I found this "The Coalition was renewed in 1991, and won power under Rob Borbidge from 1996 to 1998." A little Biased. They didn't win power they formed a minority Government. It probably isn't bias though reconsidering. I will be more cautious before using the template again and will remove it now. Life200BC (talk) 02:00, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * If you see little things like that, you don't really need to tag the article and start a talk page discussion, you can just edit it yourself and see if anyone objects. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 07:14, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'm sorry for wasting your time and will follow your instructions if I see something similar. Life200BC (talk) 21:05, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 26 February 2021

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Coalition (Australia) → Liberal–National Coalition – The principle of article titles is that they are concise, precise and recognizable. It occurs to me that the title Coalition (Australia) is less concise, precise and recognizable than Liberal–National Coalition. A coalition is a mix of political parties/groups governing together, and that is not exclusivley the domain of the Liberal National Coalition in Australia. Saying "the Coalition" in Australian political discourse is reasonably likely to make someone think of the Liberal and National parties, but this is not guaranteed. As we speak there is "a Coalition" in power in the ACT, specifically a Labor-Green one, in fact such a coalition has existed for the last 8+ years. Its also not uncommon for the phrase "Labor-Green coalition" to be pursued during federal and state elections, often by Liberal or National advocates arguing against voting for either Labor or the Greens. Furthermore non-Australian readers would consider the "Coalition" to mean any number of potential political alliances. To sum up, it doesn't make sense to simplify a title to something vaguer and less recognizable than the lede of this article already implies; "The Liberal–National Coalition, commonly known simply as the Coalition..." Global-Cityzen (talk) 04:25, 26 February 2021 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose The Lib/Nat coalition is possibly unique in the world for its longevity, stability, and the fact that it exists even when the parties involved are not in government. In their case, it's NOT a mix of political parties/groups governing together. They work together at all times, whether in government or not. It's a special case within Australia, and possibly on the world stage. The Australian media routinely refers to "The Coalition" in the quite reasonable expectation that readers, listeners and viewers will know precisely what they mean. HiLo48 (talk) 06:58, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Support more recognizable, natural disambiguation is preferred. (t · c)  buidhe  02:15, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Listen to any Australian news program, and you will hear them called the Coalition. There is no need to elaborate in the context of Australian politics. Andrewa (talk) 05:42, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Support I am swayed by the argument that this improves disambiguation. Natural disambiguation is to be preferred over parenthesised disambiguation. As for the point above about usage in Australia, Wikipedia is a global encyclopedia and so a simple reference to how the term is understood in Australia is not convincing. Obviously in the UK a reference to "The Coalition" is taken as referring to the Liberal Democrat-Conservative coalition of 2010-15 (Wiki's page is entitled "Cameron–Clegg coalition") and this is how the term is used in the UK, so for this page to be where "The Coalition" redirects to is quite odd. There is also consistency with other coalitions where natural disambiguation has been preferred and so-forth. FOARP (talk) 08:19, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The current name reflects the scope of the article which doesn't just deal with the parties in their current forms and identities. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 09:57, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Support – this is the most WP:RECOGNIZABLE iteration. The other will still exist as a redirect. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:16, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Support: Better. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  01:30, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose since I've never seen them referred to as the Liberal–National Coalition in everyday life or news. It is other coalitions which get the extra clarification rather than the Coalition. As pointed out by Ivar the Boneful, the Coalition has been an enduring political grouping which has included the parties in a variety of guises, and as HiLo48 mentioned it exists on a permanent basis which as far as I know is the rare exception rather than the rule. The title should be a reflection of the term in practice rather than the most convenient term for editors. 5225C (talk • contributions) 11:07, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Support. Clearer, more natural disambiguation. It's also worth noting that the Coalition is in no sense "permanent" as claimed above, and has been broken a number of times, most recently in the 1980s. "The Coalition" redirecting here is also strange and should be changed. Frickeg (talk) 21:01, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and HiLo48. As far as I can gather from sources, they overwhelmingly call it simply "the Coalition" (with a capital C), not the "Liberal–National Coalition". There doesn't seem any particular need to change the long-term status quo here. — Amakuru (talk) 12:08, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

My State member
Article currently reads in part In the other states and the ACT, the Nationals have no sitting MPs and little or no organisational presence.

My State member is Paul Toole. And we're both in one of those other states. Andrewa (talk) 05:39, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

 * NSW is mentioned in the paragraph's third sentence; "other states" is intended to refer to Tasmania and SA. I do agree that this is potentially ambiguous, though, and given that it's only two states we're mentioning it seems more sensible to just name them. Frickeg (talk) 07:55, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

"The Coalition" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect The Coalition and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 23 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:26, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Merger proposal
The article Liberal–National party merger is a bit of a nothing article - it just lists a few events vaguely related to a possible merge, which has not happened, at least at the national level and most states - and I think it would fit better as a section here. I have put merge tags on both articles. Adpete (talk) 05:56, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

 * I agree, but I'm not sure the material is even particularly helpful - it's just, as you said, a few events vaguely related to a possible merge (and not even necessarily significant ones). Unity pushes with the forerunners of the Nationals goes as far back as at least the 1920s, and I don't really see a section that doesn't even mention the LNP merger and the CLP (beyond the note in the lead they exist), let alone the other mergers/attempted mergers (the CPNP in Qld, the LCL in SA, whichever of the "Liberal and Country" state parties in other states that weren't just one Coalition party up to shenanigans), as very useful. Better to redirect here and write a new history subsection from scratch that hits at least the most major points. The Drover's Wife (talk) 06:20, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

 * The weird thing is that the Queensland merger is discussed fairly well at Liberal National Party of Queensland. Therefore I have gone through the pages which link to Liberal–National party merger, and changed them to link to Liberal National Party of Queensland where appropriate. All that is left (in terms of incoming links to Liberal–National party merger) are when people have expressed opinions on a federal merger. I have also separated Liberal–National party merger into two parts: opinions on a federal merger, and a short section pointing to the Queensland merger at Liberal National Party of Queensland. From here I can think of 3 possibilities:

 * 1) Copy all the material from Liberal–National_party_merger to Coalition (Australia), (i.e. merge as I originally suggested). However, it seems a bit long and detailed for Coalition (Australia), so two other suggestions are:
 * 2) Keep the material at Liberal–National party merger, but rename the page to something like Potential Liberal–National party merger. i.e. keep the detail of who has suggested what in a separate article, but renamed to make it clear it is speculation.
 * 3) Cull most of Liberal–National_party_merger and put a bit of it in Coalition (Australia). The problem is that would be throwing away some research someone has done.
 * I think personally I prefer option (2), but I'd be interested in others' thoughts. Adpete (talk) 09:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I feel like it's not very significant research in and of itself though - it's a few tidbits of individual support for the idea from one heightened period of historical support for the idea really without any real context. It'd be useful if someone went on and added the context for that era and at least at a basic level added the rest of the story, but it's just a list of random relevant stuff at the moment.

 * I'd probably lean towards 1) because it is a very relevant subject to the Coalition article - I think the merger proposals have possibly been going back longer than the formal Coalition in some places, and it's at least the start of a section to prod people to flesh it out more. The issue with 3) is that there's so little there that any cuts would probably cut out the only actual specifics in it. I really don't like the idea of 2) unless it's fleshed out enough to at least clearly define the scope and context of the article: for example, I wouldn't call what's in there as "speculation" because it's ultimately talking about the levels of support for a long-debated idea (just doing it very badly). The Drover's Wife (talk) 11:05, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. There's no need for a separate article at all, the main article can certainly accomodate whatever relevant. Reywas92Talk 21:57, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 9 May 2023

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The result of the move request was: not moved. "The" can be discussed separately. C LYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 14:28, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Coalition (Australia) → Liberal–National Coalition – This has been proposed a few times in the past, however I feel like enough time has passed to restart the discussion. As has been mentioned in previous discussions, while the current title is shorter than the proposed one, it is in fact less WP:CONSICE and much less WP:PRECISE than the proposed title. While use of the lone phrase "the Coalition" is likely to make one think of the LNP, this is not guaranteed, with the concept of "a Coalition" stemming far beyond the one formed by the Liberal and National parties. Labor and the Greens were in a coalition at the federal level from 2010 to 2013, have jointly governed the ACT since 2008, and were previously in coalition in Tasmania in the 90s (with the Greens also governing with the Tasmanian Liberals in the 2010s). Furthermore, with the recent decline in the vote share of major parties, there have frequently been discussions of the possibility of a renewed Labor-Greens coalition, shown here and here. The current title disregards this, however, implying that in Australia, the concept of a coalition solely refers to the Liberals and Nationals. This is confusing and inaccurate to both international and domestic readers. Editors have also previously argued that the title "Liberal-National Coalition" is rarely used, however this is simply false. While the shortened version is commonly used more, the media nevertheless commonly refers to the "Liberal-National Coalition", as shown here, here, and here. Finally, the proposed title creates a nice WP:NATURAL disambiguator. Loytra (talk) 23:25, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

 * Weak oppose - From what I know about Australian politics, when one is referring to "the Coalition" they are generally referring to the Liberal National Coalition. However, I do understand the nom's reasoning considering the plausibility of a Labor-Greens coalition (notably, at last year's election). I would support a move to The Coalition (Australia) as I think that it will keep the concision while improving precision. Estar8806 (talk) 00:43, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

 * Comment The article's lead begins with "The Liberal–National Coalition" thereby probably breaking some Wikipedia rule about the lead describing what's in the title, but presumably pleasing the OP here. The word "The" is important. It is ALWAYS included when the Liberal–National Coalition is being referred to in Australia. The title of this article should probably be The Coalition (Australia) (with the capital C), and the lead should also begin with that expression. HiLo48 (talk) 01:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Lean oppose Not all the other examples given were actually coalitions (2010-2013 was a confidence & supply arrangement and a coalition involves more than one party actually in government, the Liberals and Greens did not form a government in Tasmania) and others were called different things (e.g. the Tasmanian Labor-Green government was called the Accord and the ACT Liberal-Residents' Rally government was the Alliance) and this article covers the whole history including the Liberals' predecessor parties. "The Coalition" still overwhelmingly means the Liberals & Nationals not other combinations. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:05, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I don't think it's ambiguous in the Australian context and there is precedent in other articles, e.g. Alliance (Sweden) and Alliance (Chile). Additionally, the article covers the full history of the Coalition and the parties have not always had their current names. I'm happy with the suggested move to The Coalition (Australia) although I think it could go both ways (WP:THE is probably against). ITBF (talk) 15:41, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Very, VERY old people vote for the Coalition.
The Electorate section tells me that one of the biggest voting blocs supporting the Coalition is "the Greatest Generation (people born between 1901–1927)". That means people aged 96 and over! I humbly submit that people aged 96 and over is NOT a big bloc. Would anyone object if I removed that content? HiLo48 (talk) 06:45, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree, and I think the article is incorrect in equating "voting bloc" as just any demographic that favoured a party at a specific election. Would be good to find some sources that look at Australian voting trends over a multi-election period. Not sure someone making $46k a year would agree that they're middle class either! ITBF (talk) 08:23, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Spencer Gifts

Company Propoganda?
It looks to me as if the people at spencer's took away the NPOV... just look at the second paragraph The Hemogoblin 01:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

 * A new user replaced the previous version with a copyvio from http://company.monster.com/spencerg/. I have reverted back. I wouldn't assume whoever made the edits is affiliated with the company. szyslak  (t, c) 02:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Reverted again after it was replaced with ad copy. August Drake 11:50, 26 March 2012

Demographic Disputed?
The article states that the demographic targeted by Spencer's is disputed and directs to the talk page, but there is nothing here on that topic. Spencer's employee training documents teach new hires that the target demographic is "Jack and Nikki," 18-24 year olds with a sense of humor who like to party and have an irreverent view of life, though it goes on to say that anyone can be a Jack or Nikki if they are young at heart. I've had no luck digging up copies of any official documents online, however, so perhaps someone who is a greater master of the search engine than me could take a look? I would say that their own statement of who their demographic is should be sufficient, however, once it can be found somewhere to be verified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.141.109.27 (talk) 02:01, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Purchasing Discretion
The article suggests that Spencer's applies an age policy regarding who can see and buy certain items (explicit, adult toys, etc.) by checking for identification. However being a former employer and working for the company throughout the scandal on the news, I am very familiar with the policies. Not only in my specific store but i am aware that in the entire region we are part of the company made very clear that Spencer's will not enforce an age policy and nevertheless I.D. checks. It is solely based on the guests maturity level and the employees judgement, most of the explicit items are mainly in the back of the store but not necessarily true since some can be found throughout the store, however when it becomes evident that small children or just certain guests in general lack the sensibleness around the items or at the moment of purchase than employees may intervene. It is a policy that the employees simply can not ask for an I.D. at any moment. Nchalco (talk) 16:46, 2 December 2009 (UTC) nchalco

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Larry Langford

Larry Paul Langford (March 18, 1946 – January 8, 2019) was an American politician who had a one-term tenure as the mayor of the city of Birmingham, Alabama. At the time of his death, Langford was hospitalized on compassionate release from serving a 15-year federal prison sentence.

Education
Langford was born in Birmingham on March 18, 1946. He graduated from A. H. Parker High School before entering the United States Air Force. He graduated from the University of Alabama at Birmingham in 1972 with a Bachelor of Science degree in social and behavioral sciences.

Early career
Langford was a reporter for WBRC-6, which at the time was the ABC affiliate in Birmingham, during the mid 1970s. He was the community's first African-American TV news reporter. He was later a public relations director for a Birmingham Budweiser distributor. Prior to entering politics, Langford was a well known local television personality.

Political career
Langford, a Democrat, was elected to the county commission in 2002. His colleagues on the five-member commission elected Langford as commission president, the first African-American to hold the office.

He also served as mayor of Fairfield, Alabama, and served one term on the Birmingham City Council.

Langford raised money and generated public interest and support for Visionland Theme Park (now known as Alabama Splash Adventure), located near Bessemer. The park was built largely by bond issues backed by a consortium of municipalities in the western part of the county, as well as the city of Birmingham and the county government. The park later declared bankruptcy, and was sold to Southland Entertainment Group for just over $5 million at auction.

As Fairfield mayor, Langford spoke publicly many times about his plans to run for higher office, particularly Governor of Alabama. After the bankruptcy of Visionland, Langford's political fortunes seemed to wane, and his talk of higher office diminished. After losing the county commission presidency, Langford announced on June 5, 2007, that he would run for mayor of Alabama's largest city.

Langford stunned many when he emerged as a top contender in a field of 10 candidates that included incumbent mayor Bernard Kincaid. Preliminary results credited him with 26,277 of 52,111 votes cast in the election, meaning that he avoided a runoff with challenger Patrick Cooper by 170 votes. Cooper then challenged the election in court, saying that Langford was still a resident of Fairfield and did not legally reside within Birmingham's city limits. Cooper later withdrew his case after a judge declared Langford's downtown loft a legal residence.

While in office Langford was a member of the Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition, an anti-gun group with a stated goal of "making the public safer by getting illegal guns off the streets and that at the time was co-chaired by Boston Mayor Thomas Menino and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

Langford was long a proponent of a domed stadium for the city, intended to replace the aging Legion Field as a venue for football on the collegiate and professional levels. He previously promoted a tax hike to pay for the dome, which was soundly rejected by voters a decade earlier under then-Mayor Richard Arrington, although later analysis of votes showed an overwhelming support for the dome inside city limits. After taking office as Birmingham mayor, Langford vowed that a domed stadium would be built in the city no matter what.

Church and state
Langford, who converted to Catholicism in 1996, was both praised and criticized for the degree to which his Christian faith informed his political agenda. He held Bible studies for municipal workers at City Hall each week and was a frequent speaker at public prayer services and church events.

On April 22, 2008, Langford issued a proclamation on city letterhead proclaiming the following Friday to be "It's Time to Pray" in the City of Birmingham. He called upon "all Bishops, Priests, Pastors, Ministers and all of our citizens of various denominations and creeds" to join him in donning burlap sacks and having their heads smeared with ashes during a prayer rally at Boutwell Auditorium. Inspired by a custom described in the Bible of putting on “sackcloth with ashes” as a sign of mourning, the display was intended to show humility and restore God's favor to a city Langford described as wracked with violence. Anticipating complaints from defenders of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, Langford stated that "the Constitution of the United States calls for a separation of church and state – it never said anything about a separation of church from state."

Pride Week controversy
Langford injured relations with the Birmingham LGBT community in May 2008 when he refused to sign a proclamation for the annual Central Alabama Pride Parade, an event that had been held on the city's south side every year since 1989. He refused to allow banners on city property for the event. Langford further stated that it was inappropriate for the government to condone a lifestyle. He was quoted as saying: "My policy is don't ask because it's not my business, and don't put me in the position to make it my business."

"I thought I had stated my position very clearly. If I were to sign the permit to put up banners on city right of ways I would be condoning that which I don't condone," he said. "To give a proclamation is totally under the purview of the mayor."

Lambda Legal, an LGBTQ legal advocacy group, and Birmingham civil rights attorney David Gespass filed suit on behalf of the Central Alabama Pride group against Larry Langford seeking an order from the courts to prohibit the mayor from discriminating against LGBTQ organizations in administering city services. The organization hoped to use a ruling in their favor to discourage further discriminatory practices in Birmingham and other cities where the legal precedent would apply. A settlement agreement was reached on September 1, 2009. The settlement, reached after a federal judge ruled against the city and mayor in their efforts to have the case dismissed, comes after Lambda Legal and local attorney David Gespass filed the lawsuit in August 2008 in the Northern District of Alabama on behalf of CAP based on Mayor Langford's actions in refusing to allow city workers to attach Pride banners on city light posts. Members of CAP were allowed, however, to hang the banners on their own after paying the expense of bucket trucks. CAP members alleged that they had been allowed in previous years to hang Gay Pride banners displayed in accordance with the city's practice of attaching banners for a variety of organizations that have held events in the city. However, in May 2008, the mayor announced that he would neither sign a proclamation nor allow city workers to hang the banners based on his religious beliefs that do not "condone that lifestyle choice." This lawsuit followed initial unsuccessful efforts to negotiate the passage of an even-handed policy. Liberty Counsel represented the city and the mayor.

Project proposals
In addition to advocating the construction of a domed football stadium, Langford frequently proposed unique and ambitious projects for Birmingham. To overcome the city's mass transit problems, he suggested spending millions on retro-style trolleys. Though Birmingham is more than 250 mi inland from the Gulf of Mexico, Langford proposed that a canal be constructed from the Tennessee-Tombigbee Waterway so that cruise ships could dock in the city. He also suggested building a new structure, modeled after The Pentagon, which would house the city jail, police headquarters, fire department headquarters, a police academy, and public works offices. Langford told the Birmingham City Council that he intended to file the paperwork, along with the $500,000 fee, necessary for Birmingham to be a contender to host the 2020 Olympics.

On March 3, 2009, Mayor Langford proposed to the city council that a DVD video be distributed to inner city youth. The video decries "black on black" violence, calling black on black crimes a cultural genocide. The highly controversial DVD, which the local NBC news affiliate referred to as having striking images with racial overtones, depicts images of slavery and the 1960s civil rights movement.

Unicorns
On July 21, 2009, Langford gave the entire Birmingham City Council small ceramic unicorns as a response to Birmingham City Council President Carole Smitherman's comment that agreeing to the finance director's projection of available revenue in 2010 was the equivalent of saying, "We believe in unicorns."

Following the gift, Langford explained his belief that the unicorn had been a unifying symbol during the reign of King James VI and I who brought together England and Scotland. According to Langford, the gift was meant as a gesture of solidarity.

SEC investigation and lawsuit
In 2007, Langford was investigated by the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). On April 30, 2008, the SEC charged Langford in federal court with corruption. The lawsuit alleged Langford accepted more than $156,000 in cash and benefits from Montgomery investment banker William B. Blount in exchange for county bond business.

On December 1, 2008, Langford, along with Blount and former state Democratic Chairman Al LaPierre, were arrested by the FBI on a 101-count indictment alleging conspiracy, bribery, fraud, money laundering, and filing false tax returns in connection with a long-running bribery scheme. Langford was led into the courtroom in leg-irons. His public corruption trial ended on October 28, 2009, with convictions on 60 counts, and resulted in his automatic removal from office.

Felony conviction and sentencing
While Langford was head of the Jefferson County commission, he engaged in a variable-rate auction and bond swaps to raise money to help improve the county's sewer system. Langford was convicted of receiving $235,000 in bribes to help influence the bond deals. According to the indictment, William Blount helped Langford receive a $50,000 loan, which was used to purchase jewelry, including a Rolex watch, and designer clothes. Blount's firm earned $7.1 million in fees from the bond deals while LaPierre was paid $219,500 by Blount for his help the scheme. Jefferson County banks made approximately $120 million by encouraging the county to refinance nearly all of its bonds using swaps. The bonds resulted in a $3.2 billion sewer debt, contributing to the Jefferson County commissioners voting to declare bankruptcy on November 10, 2011, in what at the time was the largest municipal bankruptcy in U.S. history. The U.S. government sought $7.6 million in forfeiture from the three men.

After being convicted in a trial in federal court in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, Langford was serving out a 15-year federal felony sentence until he was released resentenced to time served in light of life-threatening health issues.

He was inmate #27349-001 at FMC Lexington, a Federal prison hospital near Lexington, Kentucky. He was released on December 28, 2018, after U.S. District Court Judge Scott Coogler commuted his sentence to time served due to deteriorating health conditions.

Death
On April 27, 2015, Langford was transported from prison to a hospital due to a case of pneumonia. Langford was first rejected for a compassionate release after describing himself as "terminally ill". On December 28, 2018, a federal judge reduced Langford's sentence for corruption to time served. He was granted compassionate release from prison in December 2018 due to his failing health.

Langford died on January 8, 2019. He was 72. His interment was at Elmwood Cemetery.

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