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Menachem Mendel of Kotzk

Menachem Mendel Morgensztern of Kotzk (Kock, Poland), better known as the Kotzker Rebbe and the Kotzker (1787–1859) was a Hasidic rabbi and leader.

Life
Born to a non-Hasidic family in Goraj near Lublin, Poland, he became attracted to Hasidic philosophy in his youth. He was known for having acquired impressive Talmudic and Kabbalistic knowledge at an early age. He was a student of Reb Bunim of Peshischa, and upon the latter's death attracted many of his followers. Morgensztern was well known for his incisive and down-to-earth philosophies, and sharp-witted sayings. He appears to have had little patience for false piety or stupidity.

From 1839 he lived in seclusion for the last twenty years of his life.

Students and legacy
The Kotzker Rebbe never published any works. He wrote many manuscripts, but he had them all burned before his death. Several collections of his sayings have been published, most notably Emes VeEmunah (Truth and Faith).

The Kotzker Rebbe's disciple Rabbi Avrohom Bornsztain, author of Avnei Nezer and first Sochatchover Rebbe, was his son-in-law, having married Sara Tzina Morgenstern.

The Kotzker Rebbe is considered to be the spiritual founder upon which the Ger dynasty in Poland is based, through the teachings of its founder and the first Rebbe Rabbi Yitzchak Meir Alter, known for his work as the Chidushei Harim, who was a preeminent disciple of the Kotzker Rebbe and his brother in law through his second wife.

One of his major students was Rabbi Mordechai Yosef Leiner of Izbica.

Dynasty

 * His eldest son, Rabbi Dovid Morgensztern, succeeded him as Kotzker Rebbe (1809–1893). His collected works and a genealogy of descendents was published as "Ahavat David" by Boruch Gutter in 2007.
 * The third Kotzker Rebbe was Rabbi Chaim Yisrael Morgenstern (the Pilover Rebbe, 1840–1905). He wrote Kuntris Shalom Yerusalalayim in 1891, a rare early work of Chassidic Zionism. It was published in "Sheirit Yisrael"
 * A fourth generation Kotzker Rebbe was Rabbi Yitzchak Zelig Morgenstern (the Sokolover Rebbe, 1866–1939). A leader of Agudat Yisrael in Poland and a Rebbe, Rabbi of a city, an herbalist, and Head of Yeshivat Beit Yisrael. He visited Israel at least twice. His surviving writings were published as "Sheirit Yitschak". His brother Tzvi Hirsh (the Lukover Rebbe, 1858–1920), was Kotzker Rebbe in Lukov. His surviving writings were republished as "Ateret Tzvi", with an added genealogy, by the Glenner family of Chicago.
 * A fifth Kotzker Rebbe was Rabbi Jacob Mendel Morgenstern (the Węgrów Rebbe, 1887–1939). Another was Rabbi Josef Aaron Morgenstern (1891-murdered by Nazis in Treblinka death camp, 1942, the next Lukover Rebbe. He relocated his Chassidic Court to Warsaw before WW2.
 * A sixth Kotzker Rebbe was Rabbi David Shlomo Morgenstern, who emigrated to London, England and then, Chicago, Illinois where he served the Chicago community. Another was David J Morgan, (born Yisrael Dovid Morgenstern, 1918–1987), author of Truth and Wisdom of Judaism, the only Holocaust surviving son. After WW 2, he lived and taught Chassidic insights and Torah ethics to non-Orthodox Jews in schools in Israel, Belgium, Philadelphia, and Vineland, NJ.
 * A seventh generation includes descendants of the first Kotzk-Lukover Rebbe Tzvi Hirsch namely Avraham Meir Morgenstern, Lisa Glenner, Karen Schwartz, and grandchildren of the second Lukov-Kotzk Rebbe, including Dr. Joseph Morgan, founder of KotzkerPhfarma, Rosette Narkunski, and Nancy Recant.
 * An eighth and ninth generation includes children and grandchildren of the above.

Some of the Kotzker's sayings

 * "What kind of God would He be if I could understand Him?"
 * "If I am I because I am I, and you are you because you are you, then I am I and you are you. But if I am I because you are you and you are you because I am I, then I am not I and you are not you!"
 * "Do not be satisfied with the speech of your lips and the thought in your heart, all the promises and good sayings in your mouth, and all the good thoughts in your heart; rather you must arise and do!"
 * "A person must renew himself, and his world with him, each and every day. But one who does not do so, and rather performs his deeds as a mechanical function, does nothing other than the actions of a monkey. Just as this monkey has no personality of his own, but rather copies his own actions and his fellow, so too this person."
 * "Not all that is thought need be said, not all that is said need be written, not all that is written need be published, and not all that is published need be read."
 * Man must "guard himself and his uniqueness, and not imitate his fellow ... for initially man was created 'in his own image', and only afterwards in the image of God."
 * "People are accustomed to look at the heavens and to wonder what happens there. It would be better if they would look within themselves, to see what happens there."
 * "Where is God to be found? In the place where He is given entry."
 * "You don't love fish. If you loved the fish, you would not have killed it and cooked it on a fire."
 * "Just as it is the way of an ape to imitate humans, so too, a person, when he has become old, imitates himself, and does what was his manner previously." In other words, most of us, at some point in life, either consciously or not, become satisfied with who we are and what we've become. As such, we cease to strive toward attaining greater spiritual heights. We are content to live out our remaining days as a mere imitation of ourselves!

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Voyage of the Damned

Voyage of the Damned is a 1976 drama film directed by Stuart Rosenberg, with an all-star cast featuring Faye Dunaway, Oskar Werner, Lee Grant, Max von Sydow, James Mason, Lynne Frederick and Malcolm McDowell.

The story was inspired by actual events concerning the fate of the ocean liner MS St. Louis carrying Jewish refugees from Germany to Cuba in 1939. It was based on a 1974 nonfiction book of the same title written by Gordon Thomas and Max Morgan-Witts. The screenplay was written by Steve Shagan and David Butler. The film was produced by ITC Entertainment and released by Rank Film Distributors in the UK and Avco Embassy Pictures in the US.

Plot
Based on historic events, this dramatic film concerns the 1939 voyage of the German-flagged MS St. Louis, which departed from Hamburg carrying 937 Jews from Germany, bound for Havana, Cuba. The passengers, having seen and suffered rising anti-Semitism in Germany, realized this might be their only chance to escape. The film details the emotional journey of the passengers, who gradually become aware that their passage was planned as an exercise in Nazi propaganda, and that Germany had never intended that they disembark in Cuba. Rather, they were to be set up as pariahs, to set an example before the world. As a Nazi official states in the film, when the whole world has refused to accept the Jews as refugees, no country can blame Germany for their fate.

The Cuban government refuses entry to the passengers while the ship was on its way, and next the liner heads to the United States. As it waits off the Florida coast, the passengers learn that the United States also has rejected them, as Canada subsequently does, leaving the captain no choice but to return to Europe. The captain tells a confidante that he has received a letter signed by 200 passengers saying they will join hands and jump into the sea rather than return to Germany. He states his intention to run the liner aground on a reef off the southern coast of England, to allow the passengers to be rescued and reach safety there.

Shortly before the film's end, it is revealed that the governments of Belgium, France, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom have each agreed to accept a share of the passengers as refugees. As they cheer and clap at the news, footnotes disclose the fates of some of the main characters, suggesting that more than 600 of the 937 passengers who did not resettle in Britain but in other European nations instead were ultimately deported and murdered in Nazi concentration camps.

Cast

 * Faye Dunaway as Denise Kreisler
 * Max von Sydow as Captain Schroeder
 * Oskar Werner as Professor Egon Kreisler
 * Malcolm McDowell as Max Gunter
 * Orson Welles as José Estedes
 * James Mason as Dr. Juan Remos
 * Lee Grant as Lili Rosen
 * Katharine Ross as Mira Hauser
 * Ben Gazzara as Morris Troper
 * Luther Adler as Professor Weiler
 * Michael Constantine as Luis Clasing
 * Denholm Elliott as Admiral Canaris
 * José Ferrer as Manuel Benitez
 * Lynne Frederick as Anna Rosen
 * Helmut Griem as Otto Schiendick
 * Julie Harris as Alice Fienchild
 * Wendy Hiller as Rebecca Weiler
 * Paul Koslo as Aaron Pozner
 * Nehemiah Persoff as Mr. Hauser
 * Fernando Rey as President Bru
 * Leonard Rossiter as Commander Von Bonin
 * Maria Schell as Mrs. Hauser
 * Victor Spinetti as Dr. Erich Strauss
 * Janet Suzman as Leni Strauss
 * Sam Wanamaker as Carl Rosen
 * Keith Barron as Purser Mueller
 * Ian Cullen as Radio Officer
 * David Daker as First Officer
 * Brian Gilbert as Laurenz Schulman
 * Constantine Gregory as Navigation Officer (credited as Constantin de Goguel)
 * Georgina Hale as Lotte Schulman
 * Don Henderson as Engineering Officer
 * Bernard Hepton as Milton Goldsmith
 * Anthony Higgins as Seaman Heinz Berg
 * Donald Houston as Dr. Glauner
 * Frederick Jaeger as Werner Mannheim
 * David de Keyser as Joseph Joseph
 * Della McDermott as Julia Strauss
 * Günter Meisner as Robert Hoffman (credited as Guenter Meisner)
 * Jonathan Pryce as Joseph Manasse
 * Marika Rivera as Madame in Bordello
 * Ina Skriver as Singer
 * Milo Sperber as Rabbi
 * Philip Stone as Secretary
 * Adele Strong as Mrs. Schulman
 * Genevieve West as Sarah Strauss
 * Laura Gemser as Estedes' friend (uncredited)

Production
The book was published in 1974. The Los Angeles Times called it "a human document of rare and discerning power". The book was a best seller, and the authors earned an estimated £500,000 from it.

Rights to the book were acquired in 1974. It was originally envisioned as an ABC Movie of the Week but its budget of $7.3 million was too expensive.

The film was the first feature of Associated General Films.

Dunaway was paid $500,000 plus a percentage of the profits.

The movie was filmed on board the chartered Italian ocean liner Irpinia, which was fitted with two false funnels in order to resemble St. Louis. It was also shot on location in Barcelona, Spain (standing in for Cuba), St. Pancras Chambers in London, and at the EMI Elstree Studios in Borehamwood, Hertfordshire.

Actual death toll
The true death toll is uncertain. The 1974 book that was the basis of the film estimated a much lower number of deaths. By using statistical analysis of survival rates for Jews in various Nazi-occupied countries, Thomas and Morgan-Witts estimated the fate of the 621 St. Louis passengers who were not given refuge in Cuba or the United Kingdom (one died during the voyage): 44 (20%) of the 224 refugees that settled in France likely were murdered in the Holocaust, 62 (29%) Holocaust murders amongst the 214 that reached Belgium, and 121 (67%) Holocaust murders amongst the 181 that settled in the Netherlands, for a total of 227 (37%) of the refugees that came under occupation were likely murdered by the Nazis. In 1998, Scott Miller and Sarah Ogilvie of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum traced the survivors from the voyage, concluding that a total of 254 refugees or 40.9 percent were murdered by the Nazis.

Release
The film opened on 22 December 1976 in four theatres in New York and Los Angeles.

Box office
According to Lew Grade who helped finance the film, the movie "should have done better" at the box office. He wrote in his memoirs "I thought it was one of the most moving and important films I'd seen in a long time. I just couldn't understand why it didn't become a success" adding that "strangely enough, it did outstanding business in Japan."

Alternate version
An extended version of the film running 182 minutes was broadcast on television and released on home video. Apparently this is an earlier version of the film, which was created by editor Roger Cherrill according to a note in the end credits.

The extended cut was released on VHS twice: once on NTSC VHS by Magnetic Video in 1980, and once on PAL VHS by Polygram Home Video in the UK. The Polygram cassette is undated and only contains the copyright of the original production, 1976. It also lists the running time as 176 minutes; the difference in run times can be attributed to the differential between PAL and NTSC frame rates.

The extended cut will be released as part of a Blu-Ray boxset in Australia from Imprint on September 26, 2024.

Soundtrack
The film score was composed, arranged and conducted by Lalo Schifrin and the soundtrack album was released on the Entr'Acte label in 1977.

Personnel

 * Lalo Schifrin - arranger, conductor
 * London Studio Orchestra

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Is there any particular reason that wikification was reverted? I don't really care, but I fail to see what difference it makes that there has been minor wikification done. Peregrine981 10:50, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

Mostly because it goes against Wikipedia's style guide to link to Wikis in the bold type that seperates different subejcts, although what I'll do is go through and take the other edits you made and incorporate them. Páll 20:22, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Allright. SOunds good. Peregrine981 04:29, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)


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Court leet

The court leet was a historical court baron (a type of manorial court) of England and Wales and Ireland that exercised the "view of frankpledge" and its attendant police jurisdiction, which was normally restricted to the hundred courts.

Etymology
The word "leet", as used in reference to special court proceedings, dates from the late 13th century, from Anglo-French lete and Anglo-Latin leta of unknown origin, with a possible connection to the verb "let".

Early history
At a very early time in medieval England, the lord of the manor exercised or claimed certain feudal rights over his serfs and feudal tenants. The exercise of those rights was combined with manorial administrative concerns, in his court baron. However this court had no power to deal with criminal acts.

Criminal jurisdiction was held by the hundred courts; the country was divided into hundreds, and there was a hundred court for each of them. Each hundred comprised 100 hides, with each hide being an area of land of variable size that is enough to support one entire household. A tithing was an area of 10 hides, which therefore originally corresponded to about 10 households. The heads of each household were judicially bound to the others in their tithing by an arrangement called frankpledge, which created collective responsibility for behaviour within their tithing. The hundred court monitored this system, in a process called view of frankpledge, with the tithing reporting any wrongdoing in their area, and handing over the perpetrators among them. If the wrongdoing was minor, it would be dealt with by the hundred court, but serious crimes were passed up to the shire court.

Before feudalism, hundred courts had also dealt with administrative matters within their area, such as bridge repairs, road conditions, and so forth, but the courts baron had largely superseded that in practice, and some manorial lords began claiming authority over criminal matters as well. Eventually, the king formally granted certain trusted lords with the legal authority that had been held by the hundred court over the tithings in the lord's manor, the most important of those being view of frankpledge. The group of tithings that were located within each manor had come to be called a leet, and hence, in the later Middle Ages these judicial powers came to be called court leet.

The quo warranto proceedings of Edward I established a sharp distinction between the court baron, exercising strictly manorial rights, and the court leet, exercising the powers formerly held by the hundred court, emphasising that the ability to hold court leet depended upon a royally granted franchise. However, in many areas it became customary for the court baron and court leet to meet together, as a single operation.

Role
The court leet was a court of record, and its duty was not only to view the pledges, which were the freemen's oaths of peacekeeping and good practice in trade, but also to try with a jury, and punish, crimes committed within the jurisdiction; more serious crimes were committed to the king's justices. Despite the presence of a jury, it was not trial by jury as understood today. The court leet had developed while the jury system was still evolving; the jury indicted wrongdoers, stood witness, and helped decide on punishment.

It also developed as a means of proactively ensuring that standards in such matters as sales of food and drink, and agriculture, were adhered to. The Alcester Court Leet contained the following wording:

"To enquire regularly and periodically into the proper condition of watercourses, roads, paths, and ditches; to guard against all manner of encroachments upon the public rights, whether by unlawful enclosure or otherwise; to preserve landmarks, to keep watch and ward in the town, and overlook the common lands, adjust the rights over them, and restraining in any case their excessive exercise, as in the pasturage of cattle; to guard against the adulteration of food, to inspect weights and measures, to look in general to the morals of the people, and to find a remedy for each social ill and inconvenience. To take cognisance of grosser crimes of assault, arson, burglary, larceny, manslaughter, murder, treason, and every felony at common law."

The court generally sat only a few times each year, sometimes just annually. A matter was introduced into the court by means of a "presentment", from a local man or from the jury itself. Penalties were in the form of fines or imprisonment.

Jury and officers
Attendance at the court leet was often compulsory for those under its jurisdiction, with fines being meted out for non-attendance. The ability of the court to levy a fine was always subject to limitations, but the limits were never updated to account for inflation over the centuries; for those courts leet that still exist, the fine has effectively become merely nominal – 2p for example in the case of Laxton.

Courts leet generally had a jury formed from the freehold tenants, as bondsmen could not give an oath (jury means persons having taken an oath). The jury's role was similar to that of the doomsmen of the Anglo-Saxons and included electing the officers (other than the Steward who was appointed by the lord), bringing matters to the attention of the court and deciding on them.

The officers of courts leet could include some or all of the following:

 * Steward, a stand-in for the lord of the manor, and hence his chief official. The steward thus acted as chairman of proceedings – in a comparable manner to a modern-day judge in a jury trial
 * Bailiff, the servant of the court. He was responsible for ensuring that the decisions of the court were enacted, including being responsible for summoning the jury, and performing any arrests that had been ordered by the court
 * Reeve, the bailiff's deputy (originally the servant of the hundred court, from which the court leet had taken its jurisdiction)
 * Constable, to ensure order during court sessions
 * Bedel, the usher; typically referred to as mace bearer, in modern-day courts leet, since this is largely all he now does
 * Chapelayne, who provided prayers for the court
 * Crier or bellman, responsible for announcing of the court's decisions to the people of the manor in general
 * Affeerers, responsible for assessing amercements (setting the level of fines)
 * Specialist professional inspectors, in lieu of portions of the jury's responsibility:
 * Ale taster or ale conner, to ensure the quality of ale, and to check that true measures are used
 * Carniters or "flesh tasters", to ensure the freshness of meat and poultry
 * Bread weighers, responsible for verifying the freshness and weight of bread sold in the manor
 * Searcher and sealer of leather, to ensure the quality of leather goods
 * Surveyor of the highways or overseer of pavements, and brook looker or ditch reeve, to ensure the proper condition of roads and waterways
 * Chimney peeper, to ensure chimneys were swept clean
 * Scavenger, to ensure standards of hygiene within the lanes and privies and to try and prevent the spread of infectious disease
 * Overseer of the poor, to collect and distribute alms
 * Specialist enacting staff, in lieu of parts of the bailiff's responsibility
 * The Hayward, responsible for enclosures and fences on common land
 * The Woodward, responsible for patrolling woodlands and stopping poachers from hunting illegally
 * The Pinherd, to impound stray animals in the pinfold

Later history
The introduction of magistrates gradually rebalanced power away from manorial lords. Magistrates were later given authority over view of frankpledge, which effectively negated the remaining significance of the court leet, and they gradually ceased to be held, largely dying out. Following the collapse of the feudal system, and subsequent rise of the Reformation, civil parishes had largely taken over the remaining authority of courts baron, and tithings were seen as a parish sub-division.

Nevertheless, courts leet technically survived into the late 20th century, though almost all of the small number which still operated had become merely ceremonial, simply forming a way of promoting or celebrating their local area. Despite this, their legal jurisdiction over crime was only abolished in 1977, by section 23 of the Administration of Justice Act 1977. However, one exception was allowed: the court leet for the manor of Laxton, Nottinghamshire, which had continued to operate judicially; Laxton retains the open-field system of farming, which had been replaced everywhere else by the 18th century (as a result of the process of enclosure), and required the court in order to administer the field system.

Although the Administration of Justice Act had abolished the legal jurisdiction of the other courts leet, it emphasised that "any such court may continue to sit and transact such other business, if any, as was customary for it". Schedule 4 to the Act specified the "business" which was to be considered customary, which included the taking of presentments relating to matters of local concern and – in some cases – the management of common land.

Surviving jurisdictions
The following courts leet were exempted from abolition by the Administration of Justice Act 1977, and were known to be still functioning in 2010:

 * Alcester (Warwickshire) Court Leet, Court Baron and View of Frankpledge
 * Ashburton Courts Leet and Baron
 * Bideford Manor Court (held by the town council)
 * Court Leet and Court Baron of the Ancient Manor of Bowes in County of Durham
 * Ancient Court Leet and Court Baron of the Manor of Bromsgrove
 * Courts Leet and Baron of Barony of Cemaes in County of Dyfed (Pembrokeshire)
 * Manorial Court for Hundred and Borough of Cricklade
 * Danby (North Yorkshire) Court Leet and Court Baron
 * Manor of Fyling Court Leet in North Yorkshire
 * Court Baron for the Manor of Heaton in City of Bradford
 * Court Leet and Court Baron of the Manor of Henley-in-Arden, Warwickshire
 * Town and Manor of Hungerford and the Manor and Liberty of Sanden Fee Hocktide Court and Court Leet
 * Manor of Laxton Court Leet
 * Court Leet and Baron of the Manor of Mynachlogddu, Dyfed
 * The Norwich Court of Mayoralty (held by the town council to admit freemen)
 * Court Leet of the Island and Royal Manor of Portland still continues as of July 2024
 * Southampton Court Leet
 * Southwark Courts Leet and Views of Frankpledge for the three Manors of the City of London (the Guildable, King's, and Great Liberty).
 * Manor of Spaunton Court Leet and Court Baron with View of Frankpledge
 * Manor of Stoborough Court Leet as exempted in the Wareham Borough exemption.
 * Courts Leet and Baron of Stockbridge, Hampshire
 * Court Leet of the Manor and Borough of Wareham
 * Warwick Court Leet

In addition, the following courts leet are in operation, having been re-established, or continued, but without statutory authority (not having been preserved by the 1977 act):

 * The Court Leet and Baron of Carrick Blacker at Portadown
 * Court Leet and Court Baron of the Manor of Hatherleigh
 * Holsworthy, Devon
 * Laugharne
 * Court Leet of Northleach, Gloucestershire
 * Taunton Court Leet
 * Watchet Court Leet

By contrast, the statutory backing for the following courts leet was preserved by the 1977 Act, but it is not clear whether they are still operative:
 * The Bucklebury Court Baron
 * Clifton Courts Leet and Baron and View of Frankpledge
 * Croyland View of Frankpledge, Court Leet and Great Court Baron
 * Manor of Dorney with Boveney Court Leet with Court Baron and View of Frankpledge
 * Manor Court of Dunstone (otherwise Blackslade)
 * The Court Baron of East Horndon
 * Courts Leet and Baron of the Manors of Eton-cum-Stockdales in Colenorton
 * The City of London Court of Husting
 * Manor of Mickley Court Leet and Court Baron
 * Spitchwick Courts Leet and Baron
 * Manor of Whitby Laithes Court Leet

The following courts leet are also listed here for unclear reasons, despite not having been exempted from abolition by the 1977 act, and despite it not being clear whether they are still operative:

 * Altrincham, Cheshire – Trafford Court Leet, Court Baron and View of Frankpledge
 * Courts Leet and Baron of the Manor of Rushton (Staffordshire)
 * Normanton on Soar Court Leet

Sources referenced

 * Baker, J. H. (2002). An Introduction to English Legal History (4th ed.). London: Butterworths. ISBN 0-406-93053-8.

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Sorry for adding link prematurely page watched to see what you do to it :) -gren

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Fernmeldeturm Münster

The Fernmeldeturm Münster (Telecommunication Tower Münster) or, colloquial: "Fernsehturm" (TV-Tower) is the modern landmark of Münster completed in 1985/86. The 229.5 m tower, which is used for directional services and TV-, VHF- and UHF-transmission is not accessible to the public. The basket of this tower, which carries also the name "Münster 42" has a diameter of 40 metres and is situated at a height of 108 metres.

Fernmeldeturm Münster, which has a weight of 14,000 tons, is property of the Deutsche Telekom.

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User:Humpback~enwiki

Humpback is Gustavo Adolfo Silva Ribeiro Felisberto.

He (me) was born July 13th 1977 in Coimbra/Portugal. After studying for some time in Civil Engenearing I worked in Computer Science and am now getting my degree in CS.

In the last few months I've been working alot in Lisp and started getting a nice apreciation to Emacs.

I am also a Gentoo_Linux developer.

My Web Page

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Proper transfer function

In control theory, a proper transfer function is a transfer function in which the degree of the numerator does not exceed the degree of the denominator. A strictly proper transfer function is a transfer function where the degree of the numerator is less than the degree of the denominator.

The difference between the degree of the denominator (number of poles) and degree of the numerator (number of zeros) is the relative degree of the transfer function.

Example
The following transfer function:
 * $$ \textbf{G}(s) = \frac{\textbf{N}(s)}{\textbf{D}(s)} = \frac{s^{4} + n_{1}s^{3} + n_{2}s^{2} + n_{3}s + n_{4}}{s^{4} + d_{1}s^{3} + d_{2}s^{2} + d_{3}s + d_{4}}$$

is proper, because
 * $$ \deg(\textbf{N}(s)) = 4 \leq \deg(\textbf{D}(s)) = 4 $$.

is biproper, because
 * $$ \deg(\textbf{N}(s)) = 4 = \deg(\textbf{D}(s)) = 4 $$.

but is not strictly proper, because
 * $$ \deg(\textbf{N}(s)) = 4 \nless \deg(\textbf{D}(s)) = 4 $$.

The following transfer function is not proper (or strictly proper)
 * $$ \textbf{G}(s) = \frac{\textbf{N}(s)}{\textbf{D}(s)} = \frac{s^{4} + n_{1}s^{3} + n_{2}s^{2} + n_{3}s + n_{4}}{d_{1}s^{3} + d_{2}s^{2} + d_{3}s + d_{4}}$$

because
 * $$ \deg(\textbf{N}(s)) = 4 \nleq \deg(\textbf{D}(s)) = 3 $$.

A not proper transfer function can be made proper by using the method of long division.

The following transfer function is strictly proper
 * $$ \textbf{G}(s) = \frac{\textbf{N}(s)}{\textbf{D}(s)} = \frac{n_{1}s^{3} + n_{2}s^{2} + n_{3}s + n_{4}}{s^{4} + d_{1}s^{3} + d_{2}s^{2} + d_{3}s + d_{4}}$$

because
 * $$ \deg(\textbf{N}(s)) = 3 < \deg(\textbf{D}(s)) = 4 $$.

Implications
A proper transfer function will never grow unbounded as the frequency approaches infinity:
 * $$ |\textbf{G}(\pm j\infty)| < \infty $$

A strictly proper transfer function will approach zero as the frequency approaches infinity (which is true for all physical processes):
 * $$ \textbf{G}(\pm j\infty) = 0 $$

Also, the integral of the real part of a strictly proper transfer function is zero.

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Talk:Fernando Poe, Jr.

movie translations: Tagalog to English
Whoever translated the movie titles from Tagalog to English should really take extra English grammar classes. The titles are very badly translated and are unintentionally funny (Ang Maestro, The Master?). Besides, translating the movie title is only meant for movies which were picked up by American producers and was actually shown in the U.S. or other English-speaking countries, so translating the titles into English is really useless, not to mention embarrassing to whoever wrote it. My little cousin in the 3rd grade can do a better job than that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.131.171 (talk) 07:22, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh that's nice. You want extra-arge fries with it?--Eaglestorm (talk) 00:49, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

edits and proofreading
I edited and corrected some stuff on this page. I made a different entry for his presidential bid, so as not to interfere with the main subject of this entry, which is his acting career. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Innocentyears (talk • contribs) 16:27, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

FPJ the Actor
This wikipedia page on FPJ concentrates more on the political side of his life. Can anybody please add more information and details about his film career aside from the information that we have here already? His film career should outweigh the politics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.224.52.44 (talk) 17:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Can someone please correct the English grammatical errors?
Would someone please correct the grammatical errors in this article?

Just take a look at his section: Poe Jr.'s parents were not legally married yet when he was born in 1939, which Poe, Jr.'s Filipino citizenship would much later in life be called into question as he was the illegitimate son of a non-Filipino mother, according to his political opponents who sought to disqualify him from running in a political race. Although, his parents later married in 1940.

Rabies

 * I think this was mentioned in some news articles and television programs from the Philippines during the presidential campaign. And here is one from the Philippine Daily Inquirer --Jojit fb 11:25, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Other reports are a bite from a rabid puppy. However, rabies *can* be transmitted by a lick, and it's also possible he was licked and then bitten. I can't prove one or the other; from what little I understand (no Tagalog) most of the news casts here (Phils) are carrying the lick alternative, but that probably means their background information is coming from the same source. -- sdfisher 16:50, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Based on the Philippine Daily Inquirer report (and others as well), it was FPJ himself who said that his father died after the rabid puppies licked his wounds. Maybe to be safe, we can rephrase the sentence to -- However, according to Poe, his father died in 1951 after rabid puppies licked his wounds. --Jojit fb 03:09, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I like that idea. It gives proper credit to the statement... which should probably be done anyway. --sdfisher 02:44, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Fernando Po
What about a note:
 * This article is not about Fernando Po. --Wetman 16:56, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I think it is plausible that people confuse the tow terms. Added a hatnote.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Name of Poe's mother
Because frequent deletes of the "Elizabeth" as the name of Poe's mother, I cited sources in the internet regarding this. Actually Bessie and Elizabeth are both correct. Bessie was her nickname while Elizabeth was her official name or it could be the opposite. So to make it safe, I didn't mentioned what her official name was. I just cited that some sources in the Philippine press stated that her name was also called Elizabeth. --Jojit fb 04:50, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

GA Hold
1. Prose- Introduction needs to conform to Lead section, multiple references footnotes to the same source in one paragraph are not necessary unless the source changes, style guidelines frown on short sections and paragraphs, a few Words to avoid to be removed. Some sort of Embedded list is needed or at least use a chart for the list. See Brad Pitt's filmography list for example. One problem with the intro is not talk of his death.

2. Verifiable- Check, but first two paragraphs under Presidential election need references for a few sentences or the location of the current reference needs to be moved to the end of the paragraph.

3. Coverage- The election coverage is too brief and needs to be expanded. Considering the large number of films, the discussion of his acting career seems quite short.

4. NPOV- Check

5. Stable- Check

6. Images- Check

I'm not sure if all of these improvements can be made quickly, but I wish you the best of luck in getting it down. If you have any questions, just write on this talk page and I'll get back to you.User:calbear22 (talk) 05:23, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

2nd GA review
To finally end the nominations past their first week, I am re-reviewing them all.
 * 1) Is it reasonably well written?
 * A. Prose quality:
 * B. MoS compliance:
 * 1) Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
 * A. References to sources:
 * B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
 * C. No original research:
 * 1) Is it broad in its coverage?
 * A. Major aspects:
 * B. Focused:
 * 1) Is it neutral?
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * No edit wars, etc:
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * No edit wars, etc:
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * Pass or Fail:

This article needs repair. First grammar problems are throughout. Most areas aren't worded correctly (grammar-wise and wikipedia-wise) using terms such as movie, and linking common terms such as high school, 9-ball, throat, and wrist. The images are fine, but fair-use rationale for the second image needs to be completed. Titles for the article's subheadings need to be redone, or maybe merging them together into one cohesive section would be best. After these problems are fixed, the article can be re-nominated. Limetolime (talk) 22:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Fixed the second image's FU-- Lenticel ( talk ) 11:19, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

And here we go again with the descent part...
Why do we Filipinos love to claim that our people are of foreign ancestry? I'm sure the majority of us are but please, this is Wikipedia, people! Please provide citations if FPJ is really of Irish, Catalan, Kapampangan, and Spanish descent? And I don't see a link or a sentence in the article saying that he's from Pampanga or he was Kapampangan. Again, provide citations for verifications if these facts are indeed true. Sairyu (talk) 06:29, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * As well as the Pangasinan and American ancestry part too. Sairyu (talk) 06:31, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

title: Talk:Fernando Poe, Jr.


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Pedro Solbes

Pedro Solbes Mira (31 August 1942 – 18 March 2023) was a Spanish economist. He was the president of FRIDE, Madrid-based think tank.

Life and career
Solbes was born in Pinoso on 31 August 1942.

While independent in the sense of not being affiliated to any party, his various ministerial roles in Spain were always within Socialist Workers' Party cabinets.

From 1985 to 1991, he was third 3rd secretary of state for the European Communities. He was agriculture and fisheries minister (1991–1993) and finance minister (1993–1996) in Felipe González's cabinets, also MP representing Alicante for the same party until 1999.

Appointed by Spanish premier José María Aznar (of the main competing party, the People's Party), Solbes was a European commissioner for economic and monetary affairs in the European Commission presided over by Romano Prodi (the Prodi Commission).

Then Solbes served as second vice president and minister of economy and finance in the government of José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, which he held from 2004 to 2009.

Solbes died from cancer on 18 March 2023, at the age of 80.

Other activities

 * African Development Bank (AfDB), ex-officio member of the Board of Governors (2004–2009)
 * Asian Development Bank (ADB), ex-officio member of the Board of Governors (2004–2009)
 * European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD), ex-officio member of the Board of Governors (2004-2009)
 * European Investment Bank (EIB), ex-officio member of the Board of Governors (2004–2009)

Decorations

 * ESP Order of Civil Merit - Collar.svg Collar of the Order of Civil Merit (24 April 2009)
 * ESP Charles III Order GC.svg Grand Cross of the Order of Charles III (10 May 1996)
 * ESP Isabella Catholic Order COM NUM.svg Commander by Number of the Order of Isabella the Catholic (30 May 1985)

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Androstenone

Androstenone (5α-androst-16-en-3-one) is a 16-androstene class steroidal pheromone. It is found in boar's saliva, celery cytoplasm, and truffle fungus. Androstenone was the first mammalian pheromone to be identified. It is found in high concentrations in the saliva of male pigs, and, when inhaled by a female pig that is in heat, results in the female assuming the mating stance. Androstenone is the active ingredient in 'Boarmate', a commercial product made by DuPont sold to pig farmers to test sows for timing of artificial insemination.

Biosynthesis
Androstenone is synthesized from androstadienone by 5α-reductase, and can be converted into 3α-androstenol or 3β-androstenol by 3-ketosteroid reductase.

Properties
Depending upon the subject, androstenone can have an unpleasant, sweaty, urinous smell, a woody smell, or even a pleasant floral smell.

There are two different genotypes that allow an individual to smell androstenone. The first genotype, which consists of two fully functional copies of the gene, is the RT/RT allele, and the second is the RT/WM allele. The OR7D4 receptor has two non-synonymous single nucleotide polymorphisms, which cause the gene to have two amino acid substitutions, which in turn cause the receptor to act differently. Those in possession of the two proper genes, (RT/RT) for OR7D4 tend to describe the odor for the steroid as the odor of stale urine. Those with only one gene (RT/WM) typically described the odor as weak or were not able to detect it. They can also find the smell 'pleasant', 'sweet' or 'similar to vanilla'.

In small amounts, the odor is hardly detectable by most people. This may be due to a polymorphism in the receptor gene that codes for the androstenone receptor. However, the ability to detect the odor varies greatly. It has been shown that the odor can be detected by people down to levels of 0.2 parts per billion to 0.2 parts in 100 million. Several groups report, however, that some individuals who initially cannot smell androstenone can learn to smell it by repeated exposures to it.

Detectability as a pheromone
In humans, androstenone also has been suggested to be a pheromone; however, there is little scientific data to support this claim. The vomeronasal organ is an auxiliary olfactory sense organ responsible for the detection of pheromones as more than just an odor. Most adult humans possess something resembling this organ, but there is no active function. Humans lack the sensory cells that exist in other mammals needed to detect pheromones beyond a smell. Humans also lack the genetic ability to produce these sensory cells actively.

There is also a specific anosmia to the odor in some humans; they are unable to smell specific odors, but have, otherwise, a normal sense of smell. However, this should, by no means, be regarded as indicative for being labeled as a pheromone, as it is true of over 80 olfactory compounds.

To animals, the smell of androstenone can act as a social sign of dominance and can be a way of attracting a mate.

Commercial use
Some commercially available products are advertised using claims that they contain human sexual pheromones, including androstenone, and that they can act as an aphrodisiac.

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User talk:Oscar Evans

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User talk:JRM/Archive1

Jwrosenzweig 22:20, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
JRM, I posted part of an answer at the reference desk to the Sandman problem. Here is a good reference....if you read the pages that follow it, you'll see several variations on the story. Fascinating stuff. Welcome to Wikipedia, by the way! I hope you stay and edit here -- if you do, I encourage you to try the Tutorial to see how editing works, and to leave a note (for me at User talk:Jwrosenzweig or for anyone at the Help desk) if you have questions. Have fun, Jwrosenzweig 22:20, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Welcome!
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and vote pages using three tildes, like this: ~ ~ ~. Four tildes (~ ~ ) produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! I know, it's a bit late. Just in case you need some more helpful links. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 21:13, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)
 * How to edit a page
 * Editing tutorial
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 * I was almost going to ask what on earth the point of this was until I came to I know, it's a bit late. Just in case you need some more helpful links. Thanks, Mac. :-) In the meantime, I've updated the topical index to include Pages needing translation into English. This, and the alphabetical index should provide me with all the links I need. :-) JRM 21:59, 2004 Nov 2 (UTC)

Gamefreak99 01:20, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I suppose I'm supposed to reply to people here then? Bit of a strange system you got here but it makes sense in a whacky sort of way :)

Anywho, much thanks JRM! Gamefreak99 01:20, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The sandbox is not a litterbox.
You are hereby awarded the Atlas Award for your work in removing undesirable things from the sandbox and not allowing the bullies of the world to kick sand in our collective face. It is now yours. You are therefore entitled to display it prominently, and are encouraged to award it to other deserving editors who have likewise raked the sand clean.

Thank youPedant 22:30, 2004 Nov 9 (UTC)

Atlas Award
I love the idea, but we should probably pick a less male-oriented image. I'm sure our female contributors keep the sand clean now and again as well. :-) I'm a little busy translating an article right now, so sorry if I don't respond immediately. Oh, and thanks for awarding me, of course! blush :-) JRM 22:35, 2004 Nov 9 (UTC)
 * The above is exactly the sort of thing an unselfishly great editor would say, of course. The Atlas award is named after Charles Atlas and is taken from his 'they kicked sand in my face' advertisement, and is in no way merely a masculine image.  It is a symbol of self-empowerment.  Charles Atlas was once a self-styled 98-pound weakling, and through his own diligence and effort, became a very succesful businessperson and body builder.  And his business empire began with the ad that this image is from.
 * In that case, we need a less U.S.-centric image, because that explains why I didn't catch the reference. :-D No, just kidding. As long as we alert people to the context, it's fine.
 * Incidentally, I'm still very much a newbie. Is there an accepted policy for responses on talk pages? I noticed you moved my comment to here, and now my natural inclination is to copy this entire thing back to your page as well. Is that sort of sane or do people generally keep it to one page? JRM 22:55, 2004 Nov 9 (UTC)

I generally copy the whole thing to the other user's page when responding, and if they delete the text I copied over, that's cool... I generally keep it on my page too. I think my way isn't necessarily the sane way, but generally, replies, or links to replies' go on the user talk page of the user who is intended to read them. Some exceptoins to putting replies on the other user's page are: when the discussion is between two users that each watch each other's page; when the full discussion is on an article talk page and then you just post something like "see Cricism of Wal-Mart page and look over the new edits if you would... and the discuss page, we all responded to your points"; or when the user is someone who is very busy/has a busy talk page, you might leave the discussion on your own page and tell them "I answered on my talk page: Atlas Award sect."; or if you make a separate sub page to keep it a little more private, you might just put the message: "User:Pedant/Ronald" or something, if you don't want to have everyone read it, but they will anyway, if they are keeping an eye on everything you do. lol... but to answer the question you did ask:

Is there an accepted policy for responses on talk pages? the accepted policy is to put at least something on the user talk page of the user who you are talking to. to whom you are talking, whatever... that way the user gets that 'you have new messages' notice.
 * OK, thanks for all that! :-) To prevent confusion, I'll remove the remnants of the original discussion from your page, keeping just my initial question—I think that's the least redundant and won't clutter up your already cluttered page... Anyhoo, I plan on restyling my user page one of these days, so maybe I'll fit in the award somewhere. On second thought, I'll probably put it on a subpage, because flaunting awards distracts from the actual content... Oh, look at the time, I'd better go catch some Zs. Thanks again, and goodnight. Or whatever it is over on your time zone. :-) JRM 00:00, 2004 Nov 10 (UTC)
 * If you got it, flaunt it, is my thought, it's a brand new award, you are one of the first to get it, and awards are great for your user page, they let people know what other editors think about you. If you had like 8 or more awards and it took up too much room, or something, that might need a subpage.  I forgot to mention, if you put something on another users talk page, I think the custom is to leave it there for the other editor to delete or archive.  I'm not picky about my page though, I'm picky only about articles.  I like to leave most of my recent discussions on my talk page, because they let other users get to know something about each other, and what I think about another user. There is a move to make it so that only a user can edit their own user page, but I like it being open.  I wouldn't say something anywhere on wikipedia or it's sister articles that I wouldn't want to show up in a google search.  Anyway, nice to meet you, and thanks for helping to discourage bad sandbox content.Pedant 00:15, 2004 Nov 10 (UTC)

Iron Gate translation
Thanks! I'll proof as soon as I can. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 08:14, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

Wandering Jew
Thanx for the cleanup at Wandering Jew. gK [[User talk:GK|¿?]] 12:09, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Exploding Wales
Yes, it was funny :-). But please don't disrupt Wikipedia to make a joke or a point. — David Remahl 02:59, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I'll never do it to make a point. But I can't promise you I'll never do it again to make a joke. I would have tagged it for speedy myself—eventually. I'm sorry, I really am... I have no excuse. I guess I should feel shame at this point. I promise to work on that.
 * On the bright side User:Hoary has gotten his or her first taste of the deletion process. All's well that ends well. JRM 03:04, 2004 Nov 13 (UTC)
 * Hahah :-). Yeah. No harm done at all, we can all use a laugh every now and then. — David Remahl 03:07, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * That was your article? Sorry 'bout that. I was much too serious. Well, as soon as I learnt how to suggest deletion, I forgot it. I can't be bothered to relearn the process, so potential authors of "Exploding Males", "Exploding Weals", etc. are safe from me! I now see about ten articles per day that I think should be deleted, but ignore eight of them and simply advocate "speedy" deletion for those whose vacuousness is so stunningly obvious that even the most fanatic of "inclusionists" wouldn't defend it. Boringly yours, Hoary 08:22, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

ROTFL! I was the original author Exploding whale, and I got it to Featured article status, but I must say that I nearly wet myself when I saw your joke article on BJAODN! Too funny :) And I thought the original article was hilarious! - Ta bu shi da yu 13:32, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Couldn't help myself. I always liked Exploding whale, but then I just saw the redirect Exploding whales, and I just had to use the pun... JRM 13:35, 2004 Nov 13 (UTC)

BJAODN
I don't understand. There's no way we can put every bit of vandalism into BJAODN. Why was what I did wrong? RickK 21:04, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * My bad, my bad. I was misreading the edit history. I thought a genuine editor had put nonsense in, an anon took it out, and you had to put it back in again. That would have been truly surreal. Only two mistakes out of three actions, not a bad track record for me. :-) Anyway, carry on... JRM 22:15, 2004 Nov 13 (UTC)

Red/white/blue flags
User:JRM/Notes/List of national flags in red, white and blue states:

 * Countries formerly part of (some instance of) Yugoslavia cannot be said to have original designs as such

However, this is incorrect, because at least some of those flags predate the Yugoslav flag. --Joy [shallot]   00:29, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Red, white and blue in combination are the so-called Pan-Slavic colours. The Slovenian, Croatian and Serbian flags were created sometime in the 19th century when the others were, too, and then when they were joined into Yugoslavia then the Yugoslav flag became used in addition to those three. Now that Yugoslavia's gone, these three reverted to their old flags. I'm not sure if Montenegrin flag was exactly the same in the 19th century, but it's possible. Only the Bosnian and the Macedonian (the Slavic republic's) flags were invented in Yugoslavia after World War II. --Joy [shallot]   12:08, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

WiseGuy H.E.C.
In regard to your comments on my articles, High Erisian Church and Erisism it seems that you view them as some elaborate hoaxes or something which does not deserve to be on Wikipedia. I obviously do not agree with this opinion. If you would like to explain more clearly your arguement then I would love to hear it. Please email/MSNM me on wiseguyhec@hotmail.com --by WiseGuy H.E.C. 19:53, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dates
Hi, JRM. If something has already been said, you can generally assume I've already read it. Yes, ignoring date articles is on my todo list, but quite far down compared to everything else I want to do. It'll probably happen eventually. — Kate Turner | Talk 12:27, 2004 Dec 3 (UTC)

Talk page
Well, I just want to keep the talk page empty. So there is no particular reason. --ThomasK 16:30, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

Orange
Would you agree that your additions to Orange more properly belong with Orange (word)?

Orange (word) is a specialized page which centers on the process of trying to find rhymes for the word. As the two etymologies apply to all the meanings of the word ""orange"", I thought that it was better to put the etymology in with the list of all the meanings.

See the talk page for why I think Orange Order doesn't belong here.

There needs to be a link from here to Orange Order.

I have deleted the words "which originated among Protestants in Ulster in Ireland".

''And finally, Orange is not the surname of the Dutch royal family: they have many surnames. They belong to the House of Orange-Nassau, but that's not the same thing. JRM 18:53, 2004 Dec 3 (UTC)''

I have corrected this.

''Since you haven't replied but have changed Orange (disambiguation), I'll take it as a "no, I don't agree". See the talk page at Orange (disambiguation) for my detailed arguments. I'd appreciate it if you could respond to them. JRM 13:40, 2004 Dec 4 (UTC)''

Sorry. I had other things to do. And see Talk:Orange. Anthony Appleyard 18:31, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, I enjoyed reading your description of events at User:JRM/Orange. ^_^ -- 00:18, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You learn French? You are brave! ;-)
Hello JRM! Je te propose quelques modifications pour ta page personnelle sur Wikipédia en français (en:User:JRM). Ma page de discussion fr:User:Æ t'attend si tu a des questions! (Note: utilise celle sur fr: car celle sur en: n'existe pas encore.) Ton humble serviteur, Æ fr 19:01, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

(le texte modifié est sur ta page de discussion, je n'ai pas modifié directement ta page personnelle) Æ fr

I put some thoughts in the fancruft talk page
as a fellow more-or-less inclusionist.

Yours in service,

Morris 03:33, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

WP:VIP
I appreciate the WikiThanks. It is in fact my first "award". Rest assured that my work is not taking away from content edits. I'm just adminning a lot because my powers are new. Once I get used to them, I should return to some more content edits. :-) [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 12:32, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

Quan
This article was tagged as a speedy, but I'm having doubts. I think it should be VfD. However, my browser keeps crashing as soon as I try to enter VfD. Can you add the subpage I created for this article to the list? [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 13:15, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

VfD
I know, it's far too unwieldy. I tried to suggest an idea to move the nominations to a subpage by date for inclusion to shorten the page. But apparently one click extra to place your vote is too hard. :( If they were paged by date, I could make my own VfD page, by simply only including the latest submission. Maybe I should try a detailed plan... [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 14:28, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

Edit summary tip
No problem, I'll try and remember to do so. Tuf-Kat 20:39, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

My Apologies
My apologies Lieutenant Blue 01:22 (UTC)

Surreal barnstar
Khehehe... That Sandbox barnstar was a good one. Seeing it acctually made me smile. And that doesn't happen often at 2:30 AM, believe me. :) Well... I'm off to bed now so I'll leave you with the Satan guy. Good luck and have fun. :P --TOR 01:31, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Mess
By mess, do you mean the mess I made trying to add items to VfD? If so, then yes, I cleaned up after myself. (If you meant something else, what?)   – Quadell (talk) (help)   15:20, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your help! I'll try reading the directions next time. :)   – Quadell (talk) (help)   15:36, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

 * Smart-ass. ;-)

Same-sex marriage
I can try, but the douchebag isn't discussing it. He keeps adding that stuff in that isn't relevant. Spinboy 22:21, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * That's a good idea, I'll try to take a breath. The dialogue now seems to be happening, I even game him a suggestion to start his own article. Spinboy 22:28, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the assistance.

 * Thanks A Lot Thanks for showing me scoring out method. Good luck to you. rturus 01:54, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The Humungous Image Tagging Project
Hi. You've helped with the WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

Blunsdon United
It's the sort of article that can help make wiki readable and truly rewarding. Wyss 21:09, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

oops....
Thanks for pointing out my leetle problem with dates on Votes for deletion/Sahafism. And, not to make my 'impersonal attack' personal, but just to clarify, I wasn't thinking of you, I was thinking of a certain trio of posters who ... tend to show up whenever a neologism that embodies a far-right point of view comes up for VfD and assure us that yes, yes, of course this insult that only applies to children of Communists who are drug abusers is a notable term.... -- Antaeus Feldspar 00:40, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. More elaborate thanks on my talk page. --MarkSweep 01:32, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Re: Assuming you are done, Mark? Sorry, I left on there for so long.  I was in fact basically done. --MarkSweep 06:44, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"allegedly"
Perhaps this is nit-picking, but just to clarify what I meant by adding "allegedly". Consider the following two statements:

 * (1) A claims B is responsible for the murder of C.

 * (2) A claims B is responsible for the alleged murder of C.

Suppose C was found dead, but the circumstances of C's death have not been established; it could have been murder, manslaughter, suicide, accident, etc. Now it could be that A actually said "B is responsible for the death of C". Reporting A's utterance using statement (1) is fair if whoever uses that statement somehow knows that C was murdered. On the other hand, if A actually said "B is responsible for the murder of C", it is A who claims that C was murdered, in which case (2) is a less ambiguous description. In other words, if I use (1), there is a potential for misunderstanding, since it's not fully clear where the claim that C was murdered came from. If in reality C was not murdered, then (1) could be considered POV by nit-pickers. --MarkSweep 01:36, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Yes, I see what you mean. However, (2) looks strange because A is claiming B's responsibility for an alleged action—but alleged by whom? And if you think the final version is completely out of the woods: no, because the second "they" in "the As claim each of the Bs is responsible for what they consider a murder" is ambiguous: is it the As or te Bs doing the considering? However, this "ambiguity" is very easy to resolve, and does not involve NPOV issues. (Plus, I can't think of any way to improve it without completely rolling out the loquaciousness. :-) JRM 02:27, 2004 Dec 12 (UTC)

 * Yes, there is still the ambiguity of "they", but I couldn't think of a way to rephrase that sentence to avoid it. Oh well, it should be clear enough from context. Cheers, --MarkSweep 04:27, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

sockpuppets
Juste un mot pour dire qu'apres avoir vu votre addition au sujet des sockpuppets, je suis pour le plupart tres content avec l'article- bien fait! Wyss 02:46, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Only thing is... my German sucks (as my cousins are wont to remind)! English'll do. Wyss 05:10, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Disambiguation
Looks like I've screwed the pooch... check Asdfa d. Anyhow... the actual page looks fine, but after surfing around, I wasn't able to figure out how to set up a new page from anything other than the search function. I typed in a dummy title because DR/dr/Dr already had a page thinking the actual page would take its title from text surrounded by ""x"". The page I made needs to be deleted or modified. Preference would be to modify the title. Nothing like demonstrating limited intelligence... Revmachine21 06:11, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks JRM... you have no idea how much time I wasted surfing around trying to figure out how to do this on my own. I would say the Doctor page is the dominate meaning of 'dr' regardless of dr's capitalization followed by disaster recovery.  If you are interested, please take a look at my current endeavor, Business continuity planning, I'm giving it a major redraft.Revmachine21 14:25, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Barnstars
is fine, it's |left| that doesn't work. It creates an unsightly white border around the images, in Monobook, anyway. Even check Template:In the news. They use the same system to avoid getting a white border on the front page, where the background is colored orange. - Vague | Rant 12:37, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * You know, I've always assumed someone has asked for it to be fixed, but I've never really checked. Perhaps it's on Bugzilla somewhere? - Vague | Rant 12:43, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * Out of interest, I went and found it: . - Vague | Rant 12:46, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)

Dr Zoidberg dispute
Thanks for intervening in my dispute...but the "humour him" in your message on his talkpage, I have to say I find rather offensive. As far as I remember, I'm not a lunatic nor any kind of monomaniac.--[[User:Honeycake|Honeycake (please reply on my talkpage!!)]] 13:34, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * OK, you're forgiven!! :-) --[[User:Honeycake|Honeycake (please reply on my talkpage!!)]] 13:44, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oops, I didn't realize talkpage discussions worked back and forth like that. Thanks for the info. DrZoidberg 17:02, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Cool, exclamation marks make something more important? YAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DrZoidberg 17:17, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

F.E.C.E.S.
Yes, I'm quite aware that the term is more than a little insulting, and there are people who don't appreciate this kind of humor. My basic belief is that if people don't have a sense of humor that's their problem. I sort of object to this notion that contributors, no matter how bad, should be encouraged to contribute more no matter what as long as they're not obvious vandals. I think people who pile fancruft into wikipedia need not be encourgaed to do so. I'm not saying they need to be actively discouraged from contributing, but it's no major loss if and when they stop. I think the term also serves as a warning to everyone (particularly those who openly say "I wish people would stop using the term 'fancruft'") to be careful what you wish for. Anyway, I imagine I won't use the term much or for long, just until I feel I've made my point. I'd also like to point out that I don't consider this term a personal attack, just an attack on content. Oh, and I liked the V.A.N.D.A.L. acronym, is that yours? -R. fiend 20:07, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I do know the term is insulting; I won't pretend I came up with the words and then suddenly thought "Gosh, looks what that spells." But I still maintain that you can insult someone's work without insulting that person. In fact, it happens all the time. A comment like "awful article. Delete" is just a nicer way of saying the same thing. Any criticism of any work is not tantamount to a personal attack. And as for it being a joke, well, most jokes are jokes on people; they have a subject of ridicule, as does this. Sure it's a little harsh, bit that's a matter of degree. (I don't know exactly what Jimbo would think; I was sort of hoping to meet him today, but couldn't really make it down to the city.) Anyway, as I said, I came up with the term to make a point, and I think the point is being made, though in all likelihood all I'll accomplish is to sabotage any hope I may have had of ever being made admin. Though that's hardly a bug deal; I wouldn't want to pander anyway. Well, off to sharpen my horns. Take care. -R. fiend 21:05, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Nice! I should have hired you to come up with my fecal acronym; I bet you would've found something a bit better. Anyway, you have my permission to use that as you like, without inflicting insult; hope it doesn't defeat the purpose (though I won't lose any sleep if it does). -R. fiend 23:19, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words
As you may have seen, it's gotten a lot worse today; now he has posted stolen photos of my little girl, insulting her. What kind of people would do such a thing? The thing about wikipedia -- giving away free knowledge, trying hard to get it right, trying hard to be neutral and fair -- is that you can't imagine how anyone sane could not love us, much less descend to this kind of level of personal attack.

It's so bizarre that it's a little bit frightening. Support from friendly people like you is something that I really appreciate. Jimbo Wales 04:37, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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User talk:ChaosJoe

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Miguel Ángel Moratinos

Miguel Ángel Moratinos Cuyaubé (born 8 June 1951) is a Spanish diplomat and politician, a member of the Socialist Workers' Party and was a member of Congress from 2004 to 2011, where he represented Córdoba. From 2004 to 2010, he served as the Minister of Foreign Affairs and Cooperation of Spain. In 2018, he was appointed as United Nations Under-Secretary-General holding the position of High Representative for the Alliance of Civilizations and assumed the position on 7 January 2019.

Education
Born in 1951, Moratinos graduated in Law and Political Sciences at the University Complutense in Madrid, and then in Diplomatic Studies at the Diplomatic School of Spain.

Political career
Working with Javier Solana, who was then Spanish foreign minister, Moratinos helped prepare the Euro-Mediterranean dialogue launched in November 1995 in Barcelona.

EU Special Representative
Between 1996 and 2003, Moratinos was the European Union Special Representative for the Middle East, based in Cyprus and Brussels. In this capacity, he attended most meetings of EU foreign ministers. During his time in office, the European Union – which had already been the biggest financial contributor to the region – also became increasingly vocal about Israeli-Palestinian relations.

Minister of Foreign Affairs
Moratinos served as Minister of Foreign Affairs in the Government of José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero from 18 April 2004 until 21 October 2010, when he was replaced by Trinidad Jiménez.

By the end of 2009, Moratinos was mentioned by news media as a potential candidate for the position of High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy; the post later went to Catherine Ashton instead.

Relations with Gibraltar

In September 2006, Moratinos joined UK Minister for Europe Geoff Hoon and Gibraltar's Chief Minister Peter Caruana in signing the Cordoba Agreement, an agreement to establish a Tripartite forum for co-operation on Gibraltar. As part of the agreement, he attended talks in Gibraltar in July 2009, making him the first Spanish minister to ever make an official visit to the British Overseas Territory.

Transatlantic relations

In September 2006, Moratinos became the first government official to appear before the European Parliament's committee investigating CIA activity in Europe.

In 2009, Moratinos sent a confidential note to U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warning that Spanish public opinion could turn anti-American if Spain disclosed a study on contamination caused by the 1966 Palomares B-52 crash, according to a note contained in the WikiLeaks documents and published at the time by the newspaper El País.

In 2010, Moratinos announced that Spain was willing to take in five inmates from the American military prison in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

OSCE chairmanship

In his capacity as minister, Moratinos was the Chairman-in-Office of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) in 2007. On 17 August 2007, he appointed Croatian diplomat and ex-minister Miomir Žužul, "to be his personal representative in a mission to Georgia on (a) missile incident that took place on 6 August," alleged to be a Russian missile strike on Georgian territory.

Relations with Latin America

Following the Bolivian general election in December 2005, Moratinos summoned the Vatican's envoy to Spain after a comedian for conservative radio station Cadena COPE held a five-minute telephone conversation with the newly elected president of Bolivia, Evo Morales, while claiming to be the Spanish prime minister.

In October 2006, Moratinos announced that EADS CASA, a division of the European defense company EADS, had decided to cancel a deal on selling 12 military transport planes to Venezuela because American government objections made it unfeasible.

In 2007, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice criticized Spain for not doing more to support dissidents in communist Cuba, after Morationos chose not to meet with Cuban dissidents during a visit to the United States in April 2007. In 2010, he took part in the tripartite negotiations with Cuban President Raúl Castro and Roman Catholic bishop Jaime Ortega that resulted in pardons being granted to 52 Black Spring prisoners on the condition that they go into exile in Spain.

In late 2009, Moratinos was at the forefront of efforts to reinstate ousted President Manuel Zelaya of Honduras.

Later career
In 2010, Moratinos was given a new mission as a special envoy trying to defuse a row between Israel and Egypt that threatened to derail, for the second time, a summit of the Union for the Mediterranean.

Since 2011, Moratinos has been teaching at Sciences Po Paris. Also in 2011, he was nominated by the Spanish government as a candidate for the position of director general of FAO; as part of his election campaign, he visited 90 countries. However, on June 26 he lost to Brazilian José Graziano da Silva. He received 88 votes out of 180 cast in the second round, while Graziano da Silva won 92.

In mid-2012, Moratinos was among the candidates at the United Nations for a possible replacement of Kofi Annan as UN-Arab League Joint Special Envoy for Syria.

From 2012 to 2013, Moratinos was a member of the High-Level Advisory Council of the President of the 67th Session of the United Nations General Assembly, Serbia's then foreign minister Vuk Jeremić.

Following consultations, United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres appointed Moratinos as his High Representative for the Alliance of Civilizations in 2018, succeeding Nassir Abdulaziz Al-Nasser.

Other activities
In addition, Moratinos has held various paid and unpaid positions, including:
 * Bahrain Center for Strategic, International and Energy Studies (DERASAT), member of the international advisory board
 * British University in Egypt, member of the board of trustees
 * Center for International Relations and Sustainable Development (CIRSD), member of the board of advisors
 * Fundación Onuart, chairman of the board of trustees
 * Geneva Centre for Security Policy (GCSP), associate fellow
 * Graduate School for Global and International Studies, University of Salamanca, member of the advisory board
 * Institut de Prospective Economique du Monde Méditerranéen (IPEMED), chairman of the Political Sponsorship Committee
 * Spanish Network of Sustainable Development (REDS), founder and chairman
 * The Earth Institute at Columbia University, senior advisor of Sustainable Development Solutions Network
 * United Nations Sustainable Development Solutions Network (SDSN), member of the leadership council

National honors

 * Honorary citizen of Belgrade (2009)
 * Order of the Cross of Terra Mariana (2007)
 * Order of Ouissam Alaouite

Honorary degrees

 * Honorary doctorate of the University of Malta
 * Honorary doctorates of Ben-Gurion University of the Negev
 * Honorary doctorates of Al-Quds University
 * Honorary doctorates of Tel Aviv University

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Perry Fenwick

Perry Fenwick (born 29 May 1962) is an English actor. He is known for portraying the role of Billy Mitchell in the BBC soap opera EastEnders, a role which he has played since 1998.

Television
Fenwick's first regular television role was in the sitcom Watching. He has also appeared in Inspector Morse, The Brittas Empire, Minder, On the Up, The Thin Blue Line, and Bergerac. In 1995, Fenwick played a role in the Crimewatch File episode "Sorry Sarah".

He has also appeared in the long-running ITV police drama series The Bill five times, playing a different minor character each time. He appeared in an early episode of Casualty as a minor character in 1986, and appeared in the show again 10 years later in another minor role. In 1998, Fenwick was cast in the role of Billy Mitchell in EastEnders.

Film
Fenwick's film credits include Party Party, Mona Lisa, Empire State, The Raggedy Rawney, I.D., The Tichborne Claimant, Janice Beard 45 WPM, The Winslow Boy, G:MT – Greenwich Mean Time and ID2: Shadwell Army.

Personal life
Fenwick has one sister, Tracey, and two brothers, Faron and Lee. He is also the second cousin of Georgina Hagen. Fenwick married former Coronation Street actress Angela Lonsdale, but in February 2010, it was announced that the couple were to separate.

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Joshua Falk

Joshua ben Alexander HaCohen Falk (1555 – 29 March 1614) was a Polish Halakhist and Talmudist, best known as the author of the Drisha and Prisha commentaries on the Arba'ah Turim as well as Sefer Me'irat Enayim (סמ"ע) on Shulkhan Arukh.  His name also occurs as the Hebrew acronyms  רפ"כ  ("RaFaC") ("Rabbi Falk Cohen"), מהרו"כ ("Ma-HaRWaC") ("Morenu ha-Rav Walk Cohen"), and מהר"י כ"ץ (MaHaRY KTz Morenu ha-Rav Joshua Katz).

Biography
He was a pupil of his relative Moses Isserles and of Solomon Luria, and became the head of the yeshiva of Lemberg. Many celebrated rabbis were his pupils, among them being Joshua Höschel ben Joseph of Kraków, the author of Maginei Shlomo. Falk was a great authority on rabbinical matters. At the meeting of the Council of Four Lands in 1607, during the Kremenetz fair, many of his proposals were approved.

In 1611 Falk and Enoch Hendel ben Shemariah issued a bill of divorce at Vienna which occasioned lengthy discussions among the celebrated rabbis of the time, including Meir Lublin and Mordecai Yoffe. He was Rosh Yeshiva in Lemberg and served on the Council of Four Lands.

Falk was opposed to the reliance on law codes to the exclusion of study of the original sources. Towards this end he composed a series of commentaries on the most influential codes, Rabbi Jacob ben Asher's Tur and Rabbi Joseph Karo's Shulkhan Arukh. He spent his early life composing extensive analytical commentaries on the Talmud, which were later lost in a fire.

Falk died at Lemberg, in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth on 29 March 1614.

Note on the name "Joshua Falk"
Until the early 19th century, the names of most Central European Jews consisted of a Hebrew first name, a German second name, the patronymic "ben ... " (son of ...) and, if an upper one, the class - HaCohen (or "Katz") or HaLevy. The German name was chosen to fit the Hebrew one: thus "Zvi" or "Naftali" went with "Hirsch", and "Zev" or "Binjamin" with "Wolf". Those whose given name was Yehoshua, Josua, or Joshua had the second name of Falk, Valk, Walk, Wallik or Wallich. (One theory is that "Falk", here, derives from the German for falcon: just as a falcon circles its prey, so Joshua circled and explored the Holy Land before swooping down on it. Some derive "Valk" from an acronym of Leviticus 19:18: "ve'ahavta lere'akha kamokha" - "Love thy neighbor as thyself"). The name Falk was thus not a family name until the 19th century, when it was adopted by those whose immediate ancestors had "Falk" as a second name. Encyclopedias will therefore have several entries under "Falk", where "Falk", strictly, is not a surname. References to Rabbi Falk are therefore often via "Yehoshua Falk ben Alexander HaCohen" or "Joshua Falk ben Alexander Katz" or "Joshua Falk Katz".

Works
Beit Yisrael is a twin commentary on the Tur, composed of the Perishah, a straightforward explanation, and the Derishah, deeper discussions on specific problems. The Perishah clarifies the rulings of the Tur, by tracing them to their sources in the Talmud and Rishonim. The Derishah is devoted to extensive analysis and comparison of the various interpretations and decisions proposed by various Talmudic authorities.

Rabbi Falk also wrote:
 * Sefer Me'irat Einayim, a commentary to the Choshen Mishpat section of the Shulkhan Arukh, containing all the decisions of the Rishonim, with an index of their sources.
 * Sefer ha-Hosafah, a supplement to the Darhkei Mosheh of Moses Isserles, printed with the Choshen Mishpat, Dyhernfurth, 1796;
 * Kontres 'al Diney Ribbit, a discourse on the laws relating to the prohibition of usury, followed by some takkanot (ordinances by the Rabbis), Sulzbach, 1692;
 * Novellae on Talmudic treatises.

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Talk:AIDS Kills Fags Dead

Will we ever be able to end this pointless discussion? I am sorry, but I just don't understand why anyone would want a redirect to be deleted. Could someone please explain that to me?

Secondly, CheeseDreams has just redirected the page to Nazi, claiming that this is "appropriate". What are you people doing here?  11:17, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

 * All I did was revert CheeseDreams' edit. I tend to agree that there's usually no reason to delete a redirect. Some cases do need to be deleted, such as redirecting insults to people's user pages. It's pretty clear to me that this redirect should stay and point to Anti-gay slogan. Rhobite 22:52, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

This topic has been discussed to death at Talk:AKFD and subpages, particularly Talk:AKFD/redirect. The end-result (with votes) on a whole raft of similar redirects seemed to be a community decision to keep only this one, and Slogan 'AIDS Kills Fags Dead'.

(I personally would concur in this particular case, because of the need to prevent the creation of a new article if this is deleted, but that's purely a practical concern, and not an overwhelmingly strong one. With the increasing number of new editors here, that's a real issue. I suppose we could have agreed to blank it, and leave it protected in that state, which would accomplish much the same thing, but the practical difference between the two solutions is minimal.)

I have no dog in this hunt (i.e. I don't give a hoot one way or the other what is done with this, other than the purely practical concern above), I'm simply the admin who wound up dealing with this after it was brought to WP:RfD. All I am doing is implementing that prior carefully considered community decision. All of which is a long-winded way of saying that if anyone does mess with it, I will revert and protect it in the blink of an eye. If you don't like the current state, get a community consensus to do it, and it will cheerfully be changed. Noel (talk) 00:47, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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