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Good luck!
Good luck! [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 06:24, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

talk page editing
I've reverted this edit of yours because it changed section headings and removed comments without creating an archive. You can move comments to Talk:Political science/Archive 1, but you should only do it verbatim, that is, don't change the section headings. After that, link the archive page from the top of the current talk page. --Joy [shallot]   09:42, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

re: talk page editing
You've deleted all the comments about this, so I'm not sure if I should answer those that were temporarily there, or not? --Joy [shallot]   23:39, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Oh, they're at that talk page now. Never mind, I'll answer there. --Joy [shallot]

Moving page errors
Not really the right place for that request, but I'll look at it for you. Noel (talk) 19:07, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, I think I got it straight.
 * For future reference, to create a Redirect to e.g. Fact-value distinction from some other title, you just need to edit the other page so that the contents are just "#Redirect Fact-value distinction" (just that one line) and then any reference to any of the other titles will automatically take you to the target named in that line. Noel (talk) 19:26, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help on my redirect problem --Mikerussell 05:17, 2005 Jan 29 (UTC)

 * Sure, no problem, you're welcome. Noel (talk) 13:25, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Regina v. Richards 49 C.C.C. (2d) (1980)
I added some comments to Keith Richards article/discussion, leave any comments below if one wants.--137.207.120.143 21:48, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Heidegger
Dear Mikerussell, you have heavily attacked my comments on the Martin Heidegger - Talk page. I'm afraid this is a misunderstanding. Sam Spade had taken out the parts of the article, and I commented on them. You are right that the article is now very unneutral because the whole nazi involvement is missing. I will try to reinsert the thing. - You accuse me of having a bias, this is true as of talking privately, I heavily reject the largest parts of Heidegger's philosophy and see its connections to nazism. You accuse me of searching for an exculpation, which is ridiculous. Please read my comments and keep in mind they are not to be taken into the article, but were comments on a paragraph on the talk page taken out my someone else, Sam Spade, of whom I have no knowledge at all. The problem I had was the Spiegel interview. You ask: "What is wrong?" I have told so: in the whole interview, there is no comment anyway that links nazism to eastern German communism - this was a factual inaccuracy in the article! So I cannot have failed to address this analogy because H. never built it. Nor is there, in the interview, a reference to the holocaust comparing it to food production. Heidegger made this comment, but not in the Spiegel interview, but in a lecture, c. 1949. I wanted to clarify this. --217.93.124.204 16:44, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC) (de:Benutzer:Chef)
 * See, I have reinserted it. I still do not see what is the point of the whole Celan paragraph, and, by the way, the so called "conclusion" is far more POV pro-Heidegger than anything I have written.--217.236.169.247 17:15, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, maybe I was a little cranky, and I did not know who took what out, in fact I had a difficult time knowing who- you, or Sam Spade- was making the comments. You might want to 'sign' after ever comment to make things clear. I thank you for letting me know that you are sensitive to the issues, and I wish i had more time right now to investiagte the der Speigel interview, I still think there was a reference to East Germany and the Holocaust, You say there is not, so until I can get to the library, I will defer to your judgment. I appreciate your input.--Mikerussell 21:41, 2005 Mar 23 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. I have re-read the interview and there is no comment on East Germany at all, just a small one on communism in general and not in any closer connection or comparison to nazism. But see for yourself.--62.226.94.202 19:20, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Burford
Just wondering if you have a personal connection with Burford given the detailed (and accurate) assessment of the town you've given. I'm from the town originally. -- Matty j 19:41, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

 * I worked at the high school for a year. Being a 'city' person, living in or close to Toronto and Detroit all my life, I was impressed by Burford and the students. It gave me a glimpse of small town life. The little blurb in the article is just from a scrap of prose I had scribbled around with.--Mikerussell 03:04, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)

Fact-value distinction
Hi Mike, this article of yours seems to be nearly identical with Is-ought problem. Could you incorporate it into the other one and place a redirect? I will also place the appropriate merge templates. --Ozan Ayyüce 13:15, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't know why you would want to say that the Fact-Value Distinction is less known, or should be collapsed into 'Is-ought', you got things backwards, really. This article is out on the Internet in many non-wiki encyclopededia, (just do a google search to see) so it has value and should remain as such. The article is directly related to Ruth Ann Putnam's articles with the same title. If people want to expand it- fine- but to merge it is to deprive the work of a useful article, that carries much more currency than just 'Is-ought'. --Mikerussell 16:53, 2005 August 9 (UTC)

Keith Richards....
I read an interview at the time when Voodoo Lounge was coming out where Jagger stated he dug "Wicked As It Seems" and that "Love Is Strong" was inspired by it. It was also on a MuchMusic special when VL came out.

Secondly, the color schemes that I put in for the albums are the ones that have been approved and designated by Wikipedia. Orange for regular studio albums, darkseagreen for compilations and darkturquoise for live releases. I didn't choose the schemes, but that's what they are and they have to be followed for consistency.

Thanks... BGC 12:32, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Nick Dyer-Witheford
Re-added NPOV tag along with explanations on the talk page. Thanks for pointing this out to me. (clem 12:16, 20 October 2005 (UTC))
 * added my response at on the article's talk page. --Mikerussell 04:37, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Looking for this quote
Hey dufi, nice profile, makes you seem likr you still work at UTM, why don't you confess your corporate soullessess or did you piss off another boss. This is what you may want to incorporate in the George Grant article.

"The study of philosophy is the analysis of the traditions of our society and the judgement of those traditions against our varying intuitions of the Perfections of God" circa 1950. Jorge Lima, aka Dr. Byfield's physician.--66.11.93.9 00:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, if I ever get more time I will try to add it. Why don't you do it yourself. Since when is a university not a 'corporation' too?--Mikerussell 00:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I added the quote in this section --Mikerussell 18:32, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Mike - good job on the Grant edit. I have been working on it in my spare time, although you have done a fabulous job most recently. I would like us to add in some political activities to the article, as Grant was fundamentally opposed to Vietnam War and then had a doctrnal falling-out with the New Left. As well, Grant's excitement over the PC Win in 1984 turned sour just before his death with the announcement that Mulroney was seeking an FTA with the USA. All worth noting. TrulyTory 03:21, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Hazel McCallion's "ideological pretensions"
I suppose this is rather belated, by six months or so, but it is the first time I read your comments and they sparked my curiousity. To say that Mayor McCallion has no ideological pretension means she does not closely or recurrently align herself with a clearly defined political party or right or left wing policy framework. You're definition must be different, at least I am assuming, so before I make a revision to the article in the future, I thought I would ask for an explanation to your problem with such an accurate assememnt. In the new edit I will add info on how she has worked with both provincial and federal parties and her own lack of a university education which may be a contributing factor in the absence of an ideological orientation. Also, the fact she is a municipal politician adds much, if not all-to-obvious, weight to her absence of defining herself as a party affliated politician. Quiet frankly, I think you are biasing the article out of your ignorance. --Mikerussell 07:08, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * To write that she has no ideological pretensions or orientations is meaningless opinion and cannot be proven. If it is meant to mean something else, then it should be written another way.  As it was written, I could read it to mean that McCallion holds no ideology above any other -- that, for example, she'd be equally comfortable with Trotskyite Communism and Mussolini Fascism.  If you wish to state "she does not closely or recurrently align herself with a clearly defined political party or right or left wing policy framework" then that's what you should write, and provide sources to prove.  I myself have some doubts on the latter part, and would watch for neutral, reliable sources to back it up (as opposed to original research).  Also, I respectfully request that you refrain from making assumptions about my ignorance on the subject.  Cleduc 19:31, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It strikes me as biased or POV to interpret the word ‘ideological’ in this article- a civic leader in Mississauga- in the fashion you have in your response. Do you seriously think the average reader would assume she is a Trotskyite? Get a grip on the language used, and not a strict, exaggerated interpretation of the word. We cannot assume every wikipedia reader is a moron; the context under which one writes cannot be debased by some irrational standard applied by a single opinionated contributor. Apart from taking a rather straightforward and frank assessment of your qualification on the topic, namely Mayor McCallion and Mississauga’s governance, too personally, you have failed to offer much in response to counter my original astonishment at the surprise I have at your edit of the article. I will try to add more and replace a picture that as taken down, but overall, unless you really think that it is prudent, logical, or good prose to make certain ‘ideology’ a word coined by Karl Marx and tied to his view of History, a word almost totally divorced from its original meaning, which currently covers a wide spectrum of political opinion, is used in some strict academic fashion, then I suspect we will meet again on the Hazel McCallion page. Thanks for the response. --Mikerussell 00:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I look forward to reading your changes on Hazel McCallion, and encourage you to look for sources which document her freedom from ideology. Words are what we have to work with, and they matter. Cleduc 00:53, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't want to pick a fight, but in re-reading this whole exchange I thought I might clarify a point. The reason why I said "Quiet frankly, I think you are biasing the article out of your ignorance" is not anyway intended as an assessment of you or your background- that is why I said you misconstrued it too personally, but perhaps I was not clear. The statement was/is based on my reading of the article and your contributions to it (as seen in history listing) which do not provide any information on what ideological position she does have. My actual comment way back when (6 months ago) was she has 'no set ideological pretensions'- italics now added, which you saw as POV, but you have not ascribed her any ideology either, thus you must be 'ignorant' of what ideology she has, yet certain she has one. Well, what it is it then? You add info about ring tones, but nothing about her ideological views, why not? That is why I claimed you were 'ignorant', it was a 'descriptive' evaluation in my mind of what the article currently states. At any rate, just thought I would make that comment clear because it may be days before I get around to getting a usable picture and updating the article. When I do, I am sure you may have comments. However, you must also be prepared with, in your words, to have "neutral, reliable sources to back it up (as opposed to original research)" to support your own opinions. Thanks for debating. --Mikerussell 05:01, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd like to congratulate you on writing a great article on HMcC. I think you've done a good job of establishing balance and giving background: lots of how, lots of why.  It tells a story -- something a good article does, and so many articles unfortunately do not.
 * On the talk page I'm going to solicit sources for a couple of points. It is not because I believe they are untrue -- quite the contrary.  I think they are important points, and I want the article to cite the sources for them.  A comprehensive list of verifiable sources is one of the measures of an outstanding article.  I think that with those sources, and a little expansion, this could easily become a featured article. Cleduc 03:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

"Habssuck"
Don't worry...we all get frustrated...Hockey, she's a tough mistress...;).Habsfan|t 01:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * True.--Mikerussell 03:06, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Silly Old Berk aka Keef Rishids
Erm... the story relating to the parody was broadcast on both national networks of the ABC (= your CBC) and was rebroadcast several times on the ABC 24 hour news radio network (and for all I know on Radio Australia). The ABC got it from a NZ radio station. They must have thought it was funny. You must be standing too close to the US if you don't find it funny enough to include given most of the material on the insignificant twat is as tivial as they come. I don't think you should be so solemn but I won't start a revert war. Cheers Albatross2147 13:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC) Huh? You leave odd messages on User Pages guy, I haven't the slightest iderr what you are talking about?--Mikerussell 18:36, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I just read through the discussions on the Keith Richards page. Hells bells is he your Dad or something? Maybe we should change the article to "Keith Richards (proprietor Mike Russell)" (- just kidding). But really I do think that you are possibly taking him a bit too seriously - cheers (again) Albatross2147 13:43, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Jeez you took the razor to the article! Albatross2147 08:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Burroughs
Good work on the template, but why have you removed stub tags from several articles? They're still needed. 23skidoo 15:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Re: Spoiler tags. I've been told to err on the side of caution on this one especially if the summary gives away the ending and/or major plot developments. Wikipedia has developed a culture of "better safe than sorry" (take a look at how it handles copyright issues -- very paranoiac at times). And that seems to apply to spoilers as well. I include them as a matter of rote because I've received enough complaints when I don't include them. 23skidoo 18:00, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Dunedin, Florida
Nice job!User:Mikereichold | User_talk:Mikereichold 20:16, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. Way cool, and I'm glad you liked the picture. I believe most artcile can be imrpved with a picture. Are you a BJ? User:Mikereichold | User_talk:Mikereichold 12:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Used to be, just traded to the Red Sox!

Keith Richards edits
I understand you edited the Keith Richards contributions I made, but I feel that editing ALL the information contradicts Wikipedia's purpose. I provided documentated information on Keith Richards that is relevant to the page. I did add one Keith Richards quote that I failed to cite due to not fully understanding how to properly cite quotations. I have read up on citations and feel that since the information is cited below it is relevant and worthy of inclusion on the page. If possible, is there anyway to use the information I provided if organized in a better way? If you feel that some of the information I provided was placed in wrong areas, is there anyway you can transfer the info to the proper place on Wikipedia whether that be the Keith Richards page, Rolling Stones page, Rolling Stones discography page, etc.?? The information I provided would better serve people with an interest in Keith Ricahards. Please include the text I provided. Thanks you.

Citations for the Keith Richards quote I provided: (March 12-13, 1977)

Source for the text I provided:

 * Bockris, Victor. [1993] (2003).  Keith Richards: The Biography  New York: Da Capo Press. ISBN 0-306-81278-9

Mike, thank you for reinstating the information on the Keith Richards page!! The setup you used is more effective and user friendly than what I previously posted!! Thanks for adding the source information on the Rolling Stones "Complete Recordings" book. I forgot to cite than important source information. Sorry for the problems, I am quite new at contributing to the Wikipedia page and am not very computer literate to began with.

I would like to add very brief information to support the "popular bootlegs" section (2 paragraphs at most) on the proposed "Bad Luck" solo album and include that information in the "solo recordings" part of the page. I spent quite awhile carefully wording the text and if at all possible is there anyway that you can retrieve the text I provided (the same way you did with the other information) and edit it in a fashion that is better served for the page?

When you say "as long as you try to explain it so others can understand the change", what exactly do you mean? Also, is it possible that the modified list of vocals will get taken down again and why??

Thanks again for all your help!! --JT TRASH 01:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)JTTRASH

Comerica Park
I am suggesting a gallery section for Comerica Park. There are ample photos there now, as well as more which could be added. See Sault Memorial Gardens for an arena gallery. Any thoughts? Flibirigit 05:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you have any that illustrate that the whale mural is no longer on that one building, as some sources are claiming? I thought I could see it on TV the other day, but it was hard to tell. Wahkeenah 08:35, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the photo! And it's a real shame. Rubbing out whales to push a cellphone company? Yuch. I'm guessing someone in the Detroit city government got a healthy kickback from that. One other question: have they erased the distance markers in the power alleys? Sorry about all this minutia. d:) Wahkeenah 05:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Anne Tyler
I just noticed a change you made to this article in June. "Bibliography," as defined by Webster, is "a list of the literary works of a given author, publisher, etc.," so its use in this article was correct. Thanks! SFTVLGUY2 15:10, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Red Tory
It has been good working with you on the RT article/entry. Kudos, Sir ! TrulyTory 23:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The BVM and Leo Strauss
Thanks for filling in the quote. I really appreciate it. --Deaconse 18:57, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Literary Outlaw cover
Mike, your photograph of the book is a derivative work. Claiming otherwise by bending the book, etc. comes off as Wikilawyering (see point #4). The copyright still applies to the photo you made, and in its currents usage this constitutes an infringement. If you wish to dispute this further, then please do so at WP:IFD rather than removing the maintenance tags from the Image. Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Mike, I don't think your picture is different from the original work. I see a picture of the book, not an original creation. I have a copy of Literary Outlaw (I believe the same edition as yours) on hand, but I have already explained why I don't think a new image is a good idea. I don't think anyone should change the image tags until the IFD has run its course. I think any further discussion about saving or deleting the image is better suited for WP:IFD. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 20:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for moving the discussion, it is appreciated. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello Detroit Architectural contributers:
The following category Category:Buildings with sculpture by Corrado Parducci is up for deletion. (I don't know how to make a link to it, but go to your favorite 1920s or 1930s Detroit Building and it is probably there ) You can vote for or against this action. Please consider doing this here. It is number 1:34. Thanks

Well . . . .....
Now PArducci IS featured on the U of D article too. Thanks. The latest argument about the category is that he is not mentioned in some of the articles that he is supposed to have work at. I'd forgotten about U of D until you brought it up. What made you think that he had something there? Or were you just being clairvoiant? In any case, that's another one I can check of. Of yes, thatks for including his name there. The pictures were a bit of a search because I had to scan them from negatives and that means. .... finding the negatives. But my Parducci stuff is in much better shape than say, the Battle of Cieneguilla. Can't find those. Life is supposed to be intersting. Carptrash 05:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmmmmmmmmmm. University of Detroit Mercy is in the Parducci article.  I don't remember doing it because that was never one of my favorite works by him, but I find it difficult to believe that anyone else knows.  Oh well.  Anyway, I add Mercy to the Parducci article, although what I remember about U of D was Spencer Haywood coming to Ypsi and beating my Hurons with a jumper at the buzzer.  Sort of dates me.  Another "Oh well".  So, what direction should I take additions to the Parducci article?  I'm working on a map of Detroit showing his sites.  That might be . . . .... different. More pictures?  A dreaded LIST?  Any thoughts? Carptrash 06:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I remember the Iceman. In his sophomore year EMU went to some tournament (NIT?) and near the end of the game when it was obvious that the Hurons were going to loose he lost his cool {melt-down?} and popped some guy.  He was drafted that year and never returned.  Anyway, this is how I remember it 35 years (carptime) later. I stated a CP map of Detroit sometime, somewhere and just getting the basic map down was complicated.  I'll try and dig it up and see if it makes sense to use.  We could post it at the category page, which would probably drive another nail into that coffin. "NO! NO !! YOU CAN'T HAVE A MAP ON A CATEGORY PAGE !!!! " and that might be fun to watch.  life is good.  Carptrash 18:19, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh yes, my theory (carpopinion) on clairvoiance is that it needs to be, 1) desired and then, 2) allowed to occur. It is not, in my experience, something that can be summoned. Often it shows up as coincidence and if you start keeping track of these so-called coincidences you will (might?) notice that they seem to happen more and more. And the more you pay attention to them (follow up on whatever the issue is) the more it will happen. It's a pretty standard "exercise it and it will get stronger" sort of an event. Carptrash 18:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

More photos
Thanks for the photo of One Kennedy Square. Let's a photo of the Michigan Soldiers' and Sailors Monument with One Kennedy Square in the background, that would be appreciated. There is one like it on the external link, and it really a great angle. One Kennedy Square is on the site of the old city hall. Also a photo of '1001 Woodward', its the tall dark gray granite building overlooking Campus Martius. Thomas Paine1776 22:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Let's have some good photos of the new Detroit International Riverfront showing the Renaissance Center in the background. Hyatt Regency Dearborn needs a photo, better photos of Cadillac Place, no photo for One Towne Square in Southfield, Daimler Chrysler Headquarters, historic churches, etc. There are so many. Whatever photos you can do is appreciated. Let's do a great job on metro Detroit, it deserves it. Thanks Thomas Paine1776 00:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Perfect photo
Wow the photo is pefect, One Kennedy Square, 1001 Woodward and the Monument, thanks Mike Thomas Paine1776 16:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Lafayette Towers
Okay, sorry about the confusion. I was under the impression that both the East and West articles were to be merged into the more general article, but now I see that you were working on the opposite. --Merovingian ※ Talk 03:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Metro Detroit economy organization

 * Thanks Mike, nice work. I really like it. You are on target with my thoughts.  Wasn't really finished and thought about similiar approaches. Thanks for writing the education section.  Thomas Paine1776 18:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

start me up.
here you go: http://mixonline.com/recording/interviews/audio_rolling_stones_start/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stan weller (talk • contribs) 22:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

Economy and autos
Yes, the media often gets it wrong on the auto industry and that translates into public misperceptions. Many are completely unware the metro Detroit is a prosperous region until they visit for an event. The econonomy (from prolonged war) in general is not performing. There is a housing panic in Florida the media aren't reporting with. expensive houses for sale and not many are buying. The Florida sales have dropped off significantly in the past 6 months. Hotel developers in Florida are paniced, they can't even sell hotels converted to condos. Thomas Paine1776 22:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Outside metro Washington, DC the economy is waning. The South is shakey. Surely they knew about Silicon Valley economic crisis. Seems like only Lou Dobbs reported what was going on. Wonder what they'd say if the producing states quit paying the taxes and propping up the 'service sector'. The one that gets me is Pfizer, Gov Granholm should have seen what was going on, bet she won't make that mistake again. Thomas Paine1776 23:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Chrysler
First recall that the German mark was overvalued in 1998 fixed for the Euro, before their companies went a spending spree. So they got Chrylser for a bargin price way under what they should have paid. Actually Chrylser was the more valuable company at the time and should have been the controller. Generally speaking, the insiders were blaming Chrylser CEO Bob Eaton, the book -- Taken for a Ride, how Daimler-Benz drove off with Chrysler - by Bill Vlasic. It was written at the time which its hard to find a copy now, but is on Amazon. The book claimed that Eaton knew more and was planning to retire tipping the balance on the board. Something had been in the works for a while it appears since they were sharing parts before. Lee Iococca appears to have trusted them and they weren't planning to return the favor. So one might conclude Iacocca should have known better. Daimler seemed to want select divisions of Chrysler and the profits. And more recently there seems to have been attempts to undermine the U.S auto industry abroad through trying to gain a stake in U.S companies. Hard to predict Kerkorian. Chrysler is better off on its own apart from GM or Ford. Kerkorian does have a stake in Detroit with MGM, so maybe he'll rise to the occasion. Either way, the U.S auto makers had better keep their gurad up and not fall for any tricks. The big three can succeed handily especially when they make it out of the pension and benefit crunch. The luxury car focus will only help. If Ford can get its new Lincoln design out. . . things will start looking much brighter. The Lincoln MKX Crossover is on target. The designs from GM and Ford look really good. The Ford Interceptor sedan design concept is an example of how Ford could really soar. If you haven't seen it pull it up, its really something.

In the late 1990's GM and Ford were gaining market share and that didn't sit well with Toyota and the folks that run the Japanese banks. Study the Japanese banking crisis and you'll get the idea. Also check out the book Greenspan's Fraud. In short, the recession of 2001 didn't have to happen and the U.S auto industry would have kept right on rolling. The Fed didn't have to tighten and probably shouldn't have. The U.S. policy makers goofed bigtime and let Japan bamboozle them. Thomas Paine1776 01:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Detroit area tourism
See my latest notes comparing Detroit area tourism with New York City area numbers as well as emissions under Detroit economy discussion.Thomas Paine1776

Allan Bloom's sexual orientation
This has become a current issue again because of the Don Imus contretemps, because one of Imus' slurs was a homophobic slur against Allan Bloom. So I went to the Allan Bloom page to read about it, and there was nothing about it, but I could tell by reading between the lines that it had been there at one time. So I tracked the edit log, and I found that you edited it out 16 February 2007, yet there's no discussion of this on the Talk page for Allan Bloom. Indeed, on the Talk Page for Allan Bloom there's a discussion about this, including contributions by you, and the consensus was to leave it in. It's clearly an important thing to include - partly because of Ravelstein, partly because of the obituary in Independent Gay Forum, partly because of the Imus contretemps. Do you want to edit it back in, or shall I? Best regards,Jmkleeberg 15:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

rolling stones
I am going to try to work on the stones' pages. It was always my goal to get as many decent articles up as possible and then go back in and fill all the sources in. just did the one for memory motel. Stan weller 22:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

brown sugar
Fixed up the "Brown Sugar" article. How's it look? Stan weller 00:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Windsor/Metro Detroit
The reason the Windsor section was included in the Metro Detroit article was to explain why it isn't included, because people kept adding Windsor-related information to that article as if it were part of Metro Detroit. Bearcat 20:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Jim Rome...
Hey no problem. But you are right, I should have asked you or perhaps explained myself on that page. I'll try to do better in the future. Mahalo. --Ali'i 12:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Jagger/Richards
As you can see we have a page for the songwriting team of Jagger/Richards (something I suggested months ago on the Glimmer Twins discussion page, but no one saw). So I guess we begin linking all of the songs to this page in the infoboxes. Stan weller 21:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Jagger/Richards
I added a note on how Keith Richards used to be credited as "Richard" before Some Girls. Just wondering if it's appropriate. Stan weller 21:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Yeah. The Some Girls article says it was used "...As a commemoration of his second lease on life following the end of his heroin addiction."

Cito Gaston's
Mr. Russell. Sorry, but I have inadvertently reverted your image of Cito Gaston's name in the Roger's Centre to its previous format. I'm a new user here; still trying to figure things out. I still haven't figured out how to change my error. I humbly apologize. (by User:76wins)

Mike

memo from turner
do you think "memo from turner" deserves an article or is it best left to the metamorphosis page? Stan weller 04:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion to use Wikimedia Commons
Hi, I've noticed that you have uploaded many great photos to Wikipedia. Might I suggest that you first upload them to Wikimedia Commons instead? A few have already been copied there. Thanks and keep up the good work. heqs ·:. 17:17, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

the Russell Alger monument
picture could easily go in the Alger article. I mentioned (I think it was me) the statue near the bottom of the article and a picture would be great. I was going to add one but I no longer activly edit wikipedia - just lurk. I found a place where my opinion and original research were wanted instead of chopped out, so. . ..... Oh yes, I don't recognize the Belle Isle building. Carptrash 13:52, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * a friend of mine - another wikipedian - and I are creating a wikipedia of our own for architectural sculpture in the United States, but have not gone public yet. I'm not pulling too much of my stuff off wikipedia, just if I get p***ed off about something.  But every now and then I get a messge telling me, for example that the copyright info on Image:Noguchi-Detroit1.jpg (the Dodge Fountain in Hart Plaza)  is wrong and that the picture will be deleted and I now say "Fine."  The article on Architectural sculpture in America - which was originally just architectural sculpture is run by some fellow who just knows and cares about NYC terra cotta, which is fine, but is not the whole story.  Meanwhile I was just a hair away from adding Canada to my survey, having done Totonto and there is a good book on it and another on Vancouver, but I don't think that I can pull it off.  There is nothing to show you at this point, but when we figure out a few more wrinkles I will need folks with a good eye to look the whole thing over and I probably will ask you at that time.  If you go to the fabulous Ruins of Detroit amnd find AIW (Andrew In Windsor) he will likely be able to identify your Belle Isle building as he is knowledgable in the extreme, and, being Canadain, is also very nice about it.  opp things are starting to happen here Carptrash 13:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks again. The photo is perfect. All your work is greatly appreciated. Can't wait to see more photos. Apparently, the statue in Grand Circus Park is back on display. It is an important work of Daniel Chester French and another of Detroit's treasures.Thomas Paine1776 21:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Link to some other monuments of Detroit, and besides the James Scott Fountain on Belle Isle, the Chancey Hurlbut Memorial Gate at Waterworks Park at Jefferson & Cadillac. Thomas Paine1776 23:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Other good and photo ideas of rare Detroit area places that don't have many pictures: Palmer Woods Historic District (beautiful Detroit mansions) near Woodward Ave and Seven Mile. Duns Scotus College and Chapel (beautiful) at 2000 West Nine Mile Rd., Southfield, MI  is site of the annual gold cup polo matches. Fort Street Presbyterian Church 631 West Fort, St. Johns Episcopal Church with Comerica Park, David Whitney House at 4421 Woodward. The Inn at 97 Winder (Victorian), Inn on Ferry Street , Edsel & Eleanor Ford House 1100 Lakeshore , Hyatt Regency Dearborn, Grosse Pointe War Memorial (the Russel A. Alger House) 32 Lakeshore Dr., Grosse Pointe, McGregor Public Library, 12244 Woodward, Detroit. Thomas Paine1776 22:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

stones template
what do you think about including the stones' template (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:The_Rolling_Stones) at the bottom of each song by the stones? or should we make another that lists each of the singles like the beatles' song pages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:The_Beatles_Singles)? Stan weller 00:04, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

 * well that's why i suggested that we could make a new template just for the singles and use the existing stones template which leads to their associated pages for the songs. of course it would require all the singles to have pages written for them and certain, more prominent B-sides. Stan weller 05:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Brussels Affair worth a mention?
Do you think the songs included on Brussels Affair should be mentioned on their accompanying articles? It is a very famous bootleg. Stan weller 00:31, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

 * It definitely deserves a mention in the Taylor article. It's his best work with the Stones, period. You'd have to find an article on the bootleg itself. I haven't come across any, but I never really looked. Stan weller 04:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Peer review for Street Fighting Man
Also would you mind contributing to the peer review for "Street Fighting Man"? Thanks in advance. Stan weller 04:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

 * On the cover versions, should we include them with the release info under the title "Release and aftermath" like in a few of the other Stones articles? Stan weller 02:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Yeah Legacy is a good idea. And we can have the separate section for covers beneath it. like so:

Brewster-Douglass
Thanks for your edits and streamlining. I am new to this, and therefore did not know some of the tricks of the trade. I appreciate your interest in the area also.

Richards quote
I noticed you're good at finding quotes from Keith about songs. I remember reading one he made in regards to Street Fighting Man being similar or in the same vain as Jumpin' Jack Flash, and he really goes into detail about the two songs. You know that one? Stan weller 22:44, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject
I started a WP for the Stones: WikiProject The Rolling Stones It amazed me that they didn't have one. This should (from what I've seen of the Beatles' WP) make things a lot easier. Spread the word. Stan weller 06:09, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks for that. Not sure how to do the template thing, but good luck trying. Next up will be the gargantuan undertaking of placing it on all of the discussion pages. I'm going to give a majority of my time over the next week or so before I go back to school to the Stones' main page. As I see it the band's page is our first priority. Stan weller 02:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

 * You mean ratings like this? Yes--Mikerussell 22:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Windsor Arena
Mike, thanks for the cleanup job at Windsor Arena. It looks great. Cheers! Flibirigit 19:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

People Mover
Mike, you reverted a change of mine on the Detroit People Mover. I still think the headings should be there. Take a look at my comments on the talk page and see if there's a compromise we would both prefer. Thanks.--Loodog 21:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

ratings
Can we rate the Stones' articles or does it have to be by someone independent of the WP? Stan weller 05:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The Rolling Clones
I've noticed them leaving their link on all the song pages for which they have produced covers. While it's fine if they have their own page, is it really necessary on the song pages? It seems more like an advert than something people really need to know about the song. Should we delete them from the articles and allow their page to show what songs they've recorded/covered? Stan weller 14:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Stones WP talk page
stuff like that we can keep for the WP's talk page. but thanks for your work. i'm surprised by how little interest there is in writing/maintaining the stones pages, so all the help they can get is good. it's probably easier working on something static like the beatles or zeppelin as there's little to no news on them. with the stones you get the feeling that writing their history is futile as they've always just kept going. Stan weller 04:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:Fordfield4.jpg
Hello. The image Image:Fordfield4.jpg and the corresponding image on Commons are not exactly the same. In fact, I think the light and contrast are much better in the version on Wikipedia. If you don't mind, could you upload that copy in Commons so that I can delete the version on the wiki? If on the other hand you prefer the one on Commons, please let me know. Thanks, Pascal.Tesson 23:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. (and done) Pascal.Tesson 23:49, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Categories at commons
Hi Mike, I left a template message at your commons talk, noticing that a lot of the images you have uploaded at commons don't have a proper category. I hope you could find the time to go through your gallery and add relevant categories, makes your images easier to find and use by others. I've also just now created commons:category:Windsor Casino, might be useful... I've moved some of your images from en:wikipedia to commons, but due to the slow computer I'm working on right now I'll leave the rest to you (or other users wanting the use these images in other wikipedia projects). Happy editing, Finnrind 22:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

rolling clones, again
The Rolling Clones have re-added all of their mentions on the song pages; see Play with Fire (The Rolling Stones song). Stan weller 06:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Tourism in metropolitian Detroit Afd
Mike, I suppose the best thing to do is to inform other project Michigan people to take a look. Or if you can get others to vote. Agree, some debaters are not being sensible. It seems like an agenda by some who don't like Detroit. Agree also it looks like censorship, unbelievably. I read a page somewhere about what an Administrater is not, and it said something like they are not supposed to abuse their status for content disputes. It might be helpful - whatever the procedure. Thomas Paine1776 20:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

 * BTW, you may want to take a look at what he wrote at User talk:Will Beback, if you hadn't seen it.Thomas Paine1776 23:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Social trends
History is replete with regimes where no one spoke up until it was too late - Have you read Orwell's 1984 or Animal Farm? It seems like there is a resurgence of those who believe a totalitariam world view is just another choice of systems. Thomas Paine1776 20:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

 * BTW, 'common sense' vs the lack therof is what led to the American Revolution. Thomas Paine1776 21:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Enjoy working with you
The librarian and the economist do good work together! We should wear the criticism with a badge of honor. Thomas Paine1776 20:55, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

 * BTW, have you added your name to WikiProject Michigan/Members? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas Paine1776 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Disrespecting the admins, again
I thought this was rather rude. Lar is one of the good guys here. He tried nicely to help you (whether you recognise that or not), and offered you the hand of friendship and forgiveness and you rejected it. I did a lot of work on the article your dispute was over and helped save it from deletion, and now I too feel rather slighted by your remarks about admins. This is a team effort here, and the best editors are those who realise that, whatever their status. Have a think about it, please. --John 22:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You guys remind me of 12 year olds. Why not just take the mature approach- I won't talk to you, you don't talk to me. Okay, it works in real life all the time. You really have to get outside more- hit the streets with a gal and bottle of beer and just have fun. Geez, I hope this ends it.--Mikerussell 23:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your advice regarding my lifestyle. Back on the subject of Wikipedia though, I am seriously unimpressed with your attitude and behaviour. Don't be surprised if your edits come under more scrutiny now than they used to. --John 15:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I have a stalker. Just can't say good-bye. --Mikerussell 21:14, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

All About You (song)
Do you have any quotes for this Keith song from Emotional Rescue? I've got one where he says it's about Mick, but are there any others? Some claim it's about Anita Pallenberg. Stan weller 06:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm pretty sure the date of recording is correct, but do you have a way of checking that?

 * Yeah, I got two different dates. One was from '78 and would've placed it just before recording of "Before They Make Me Run" and the other was '79 from Time is on our Side. But Keith says in the quote that he had it for a few years so the initial recording could've just been a few rough takes. Stan weller 09:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

stones' talk page
there's a discussion i'd like your opinion on in there. Stan weller 05:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Slipping Away
I started a page for "Slipping Away" if you have any quotes or info to add. Stan weller 22:24, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

do you want to become a admin
i think you have enough edits to do so if you want if you i do i want to nom you okOo7565 05:58, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Queer
Hi Mike I see you've deleted Queer. I read it last week and there is pedophilia actually. Lee's main love is an adult but he does lust after 12-14 year-old boys. Tony 08:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)Tony

muscial evolution
started a "musical evolution" section for the stones' article. it's there, even if someone tries to revert it again. i have feeling that it could get long so we should alreayd start thinking about not only breaking it off into its own article, but how we would divide the article up. by guitarists? Stan weller —Preceding comment was added at 05:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Watch for photo deletion nominations.
Someone appears to be misinterpreting the copyright laws on sculptures. It looks like some of Carptrashes photos have been deleted. Someone nominated your Marshall Fredericks Spirit of Detroit sculpture for deletion over alleged copyright issues -. Art Monthy states the public sculptures like this may be photographed, filmed, or drawn with the knowledge of the sculptor. "Sculptures situated in public places can easily be photographed, filmed, or drawn without the knowledge of the sculptor, and such two-dimensional reproductions might equally easily be merchandised commercially." See Art Monthly (11-1-2006) for an explaination of the issues. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 20:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Detroit photos
Glad to hear of about your career hope you will stay connected. Most needed are photos of James Scott Fountain on Belle Isle and Chauncey Hurlbut Memorial Gate at East Jefferson & Cadillac Blvd (Waterworks Park), and Edsel & Eleanor Ford House at 1100 Lakeshore (open 10-4 PM Tuesday - Saturday), Grosse Pointe War Memorial 32 Lakeshore and pictures of Lakeshore Drive in Grosse Pointe you can snap, The newly renovated/expanded Detroit Institute of Arts. The Palmer Woods Historic District neighborhood and one of the famous houses there is the Bishop Gallagher Residence (which has statues and insignias)    at 1880 Wellesley and the Frank Gorman House, Brush Park restorations like those on Edmund, the restored Inn at 97 Winder   Photo of David Whitney House  at 4421 Woodward. Better photo of Col. Frank Hecker House at 5510 Woodward, Inn on Ferry Street, St. Anne's Church , Fort Street Presbyterian Church  at 631 West Fort, Sweestest Heart of Mary Church , St. Albertus Church. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 21:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Mike, Jefferson Ave in front of the RenCen turns into Lakeshore Drive in Grosse Pointe. The Grosse Pointe topic details some addresses of sites (there are so many). You pass by the Chauncey Hurlbut gate on Jefferson Ave. If you have time, the Edsel & Eleanor Ford House at 1100 Lakeshore is a fantastic tour, its an opportunity to take photos outside. It would be nice to eventually have all the historic churches, important estates, monuments, and key restorations photographed. If you can get a photo of the James Scott Fountain on Belle Isle try to get the RenCen in the background. In case you didn't know, the James Scott Mansion at Park Ave & Peterboro St. just off Woodward is a real prize awaiting restoration (there are so many treasures like this one there - hard to believe someone hasn't stepped forward to restore them yet). Maybe its going to happen all at once. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 19:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC).

 * The statue of General Alexander Macomb, Sr. at Washington Blvd and Michigan Ave is another important Detroit monument as well as General Thaddeus Kosciuszko  third street at Michigan Ave. The Thinker  in front of the Detroit Intitute of Arts. There is a new monument to the Underground Railroad near Tri-Centiennel State Park along the Riverfront, which can be photographed with skyscrapers in the background, the Detroit Historical Society (table of contents) lists downtown scupltures, there are over 122 of them, and the historical society even seems to have missed some of them that Detroit1701 picked up . Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 01:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Your latest Detroit photos are great, like the upclose ones of Cadillac Place. Not sure if you were aware of it, but inside the Fisher building lobby is one of the most ornate interiors in Detroit, but the lighting makes it difficult to photograph the lobby.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 20:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you from MCC
Mike: Many thanks to you (and all the Detroit-focused editors) for all your contributions to Wikipedia regarding the Detroit region! As we work to recreate Southeast Michigan and revitalize its economy, the ease of pointing interested parties to your articles is a great help. On behalf of Motor City Connect, and all those working to make this a better place to live, work, and play - you have our gratitude. Dave Biskner (talk) 17:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Montage
Mike, thanks for the montages. I also like the new guy Andrew Jameson and his work. I've complemented him.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 23:36, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Detroit seal
Mike,

The image of the Detroit Seal isn't there anymore. Wonder what happened to it?Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 17:22, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Trying to help the Chicago folks. Thanks.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 18:26, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Once again I thank you.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 00:55, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Chicago montage
Hi, I hope that you don't mind, but I modified your Chicago montage photo. I used Photoshop to save it through a slightly cleaner format, evened out the black border lines, and changed two of the photos to comparable ones. I think that the photo of Crown fountain is more fitting than one of Buckingham fountain. Let me know if you have any objections to this. -- mcshadypl T C  06:33, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Fisher Building image
Mike, I noticed your has the name Fisher misspelled in the title. Since it's only linked to the Fisher Building article, would you consider changing the name and re-linking the file to avoid confusion? --Thomprod (talk) 21:51, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I changed the spelling, can you delete the old one with the 's', I really don't know who to ask anymore. (Mike Russell 19:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC))

montages listed for deletion
Added sources and attributions to the two Detroit montages hope this saves them from deletion. Check it out. thanks. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 18:58, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It should Mike Russell 22:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Book: Great Architecture of Michigan
Have you seen this book: Great Architecture of Michigan. May want to take a look. The site lets you link to some of the photos when you click on "Book Chapters." Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 19:12, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Detroit Theatres
Hey Mike, any good photos the theatres themselves would be helpful. In the article Theatre in Detroit there are photos for each venue, but some of them are not good close-ups or don't show inside the theatre or the architecture. Hope you have a great tour. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 15:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Merger of Surety (Canadian criminal law) and Bail (Canada)
You might be interested in this discussion, since you have contributed the most to Surety (Canadian criminal law). Cheers! Singularity42 (talk) 00:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Project Detroit page
There is a new WikiProject Michigan/Detroit page to join. Thanks.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 17:36, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

like the new photos
Mike. Just wanted to let you know that I really like your photos and creativity, but I suppose you already know that!!! The photo of the Greektown Casino and St. Mary's Church is really great work, it appears you're the first one to take that photo too. Featured it in the Detroit architecture article and the Greektown Historic District. Do you want to use it for the main Greektown Casino photo too, the logo is visible? What do you think? The photo taken from Casino Windsor looking the Renaissance Center is a classic also.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 23:21, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Chuck Berry
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Photo usage
Hi, I've been working on a small game built around animal quizzes and I wanted to let you know I've used one of your pictures.

I found your picture here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Three_pigs.jpg

And I attributed the picture like this: Mikerussell at en.wikipedia with this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mikerussell and also added a link to the license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/deed.en

I hope you're happy with it, please let me know if this is not the case. You can find the game here: http://apps.facebook.com/animalalbum Or through here: http://www.facebook.com/pages/AnimalAlbum/156339584490672

Kind regards, Garfunkel Jansen (talk) 10:19, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Thanks for taking the picture and making it available.

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Splitting this off is a good idea. Maurreen 06:25, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This is copied from Wikipedia talk:Forum for Encyclopedic Standards. Maurreen 07:27, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Editorial arbitration
 172 suggested that these should be exclusively Ph.Ds and doctoral candidates and raised the possibility that "...experts could be hired by the Foundation" (and immediately ruled himself out of such a role). There seems to be much disagreement over the "Ph.Ds and doctoral candidates" idea, and almost no support for the "paid experts" idea.
 * Just a couple of corrections (1) I never suggested that these should exclusively be Ph.Ds and doctoral candidates but rather any applicant going through a process for recruiting editorial arbitrators, perhaps along the lines of the elections to the board of the Wikimedia Foundation; I merely expressed a hope that such a system would be adoped with a large share of the arbitrators consisting of adademics. (2) I proposed the idea of the foundation nominating candidates required to reach a consensus in a vote on the Wiki. I did not propose hiring anyone or paying anyone. Keep in mind that volunteer editors can fill official positions, e.g., members of the Arbitration Committee are not paid... The only correct point above is that I did indeed immediately rule myself out of such a role. 172 22:33, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I guess some of us assumed that the word "hired" meant "for pay", but it looks like in fact we are much closer to agreeing with one another than I thought. I've edited the project page accordingly. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:44, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

RFC
My suggestion is to use or build on what we already have, RfC, for instance. Maurreen 17:31, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/RFC
An important policy discussion has started concerning ways in which our content-related polices, such as NPOV, No original research and Cite sources could be better enforced. I've made a proposal to give the Arbitration Committee the ability to consult Wikipedia users who are knowledgeable in subject-areas that apply to cases before them. Such consultation is needed due to the fact that the ArbCom does not by itself have the requisite knowledge to easily tell what is NPOV, original research, or a fringe idea in every field. Please read my proposal at Requests for arbitration/RFC and comment. Thank you! --mav 02:40, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Waterford F.C.

Waterford Football Club (Cumann Peile Phort Láirge) formerly Waterford United Football Club is an Irish association football club based in Waterford who play in the League of Ireland Premier Division. The club was founded and elected to the league in 1930. Originally the club was based at the greyhound stadium known as Kilcohan Park, but moved to the Waterford Regional Sports Centre in the 1993–94 season. In 2018 the club and its players became fully professional.

Early years
Waterford first participated in the league in the 1930–31 season finishing ninth and again from 1931 to 1932 before dropping out of the league for two seasons. Waterford re-entered the league in the 1935–36 season along with Sligo Rovers. Waterford won the Shield in their first season.

Waterford won the FAI cup for the first time in their history in 1937 beating St. James Gate and also won the Shield.

The club were league runners up in 1937–38 season and again in the 1940–41 season. Both Waterford and League winners Cork United finished on equal points but Cork were awarded the title as Waterford were unable to compete in the play-off due to a dispute regarding payment to players. At the end of the campaign, the original Waterford resigned from the League of Ireland, only for a new entity, with the same name, to be elected in, for 1944–45 season. Waterford won the Shield again in the 1952–53 season and were again runners-up in the League this time to St. Patrick's Athletic in the 1954–55 season and again in the 1962–63 season.

The club eventually won the league title for the first time in the 1965–66 season, (under manager Paddy Coad) setting a then league record of 13 straight league victories. The 1965/66 title was the beginning of a hugely successful spell for the club domestically. The following season they played in the preliminary round of the Champions cup against Vorwärts Berlin, an East German and Army side, losing 6–1 at Dalymount Park and 6–0 in East Berlin.

They won the Shield once again in 1968–69 season. Waterford won the league title three times in a row, in 1968,1969 and in 1970. The title was won by Cork Hibernians in 1971 but returned to Waterford in the 1971–1972 season and again in the 1972–73 season. The following season Waterford won the League of Ireland Cup, however failed to regain the league title.

The Club won the FAI Cup for the second time under Tommy Jackson in 1980 beating St Patrick's Athletic with the winner from Brian Gardner.

Waterford's success in the league over the years brought European football where they played against famous clubs such as Manchester United and Celtic. Bobby Charlton had a brief spell at the club in 1976, playing three times and scoring one goal.

Early 1980s to Mid-2010s
In May 1982, the club changed its name to Waterford United. Alfie Hale was appointed manager. In 1985 the league's membership rose to 22 clubs with the election of six new clubs in 1985. This resulted in the introduction of the present two-Division (Premier and First) structure in 1985/86 of which Waterford was a member of the Premier Division. Waterford were relegated to the First Division in the 1988–89 season. Their stay there was short, gaining promotion and winning the First Division title the following season 1989–90. They were unable to retain their Premier Division status the following season finishing in eleventh.

The club was promoted to the top flight in the 1991–92 season finishing as runners up to Limerick. But again the club were unable to remain in the Premier Division for more than a single season suffering relegation on goal difference to Drogheda United.

Waterford United were promoted to the Premier Division, finishing top of the First Division in the 1997–98 season and remained there until the 1999–00 season suffering relegation in the playoffs to Kilkenny City.

Jimmy McGeough was appointed manager in 2002. In his first season he led the club to promotion to the League of Ireland Premier Division in the 2002–03 season.

The League of Ireland changed from a winter league to a summer league for the 2003 season. Waterford finished 6th under Jimmy McGeough. Despite the good season he was controversially sacked, the decision was very unpopular with the club's supporters.

In 2004, The Blues finished 5th and they reached the FAI Cup Final, their first since 1986 under Alan Reynolds as player-manager and Paul McGrath as director of football but lost 2–1 to Longford Town.

In 2006, Waterford United were relegated to the First Division. The FAI took over the running of the League of Ireland at the end of the 2006 season. Part of this takeover involved the assessment of all League of Ireland sides and the manner in which they were being run including finances, infrastructure, future plans, marketability and previous finishing positions since the 2002 season, (this was due to Kildare County only joining the Eircom League in 2002). Despite finishing in 11th and last place ( Dublin City being the 12th team in the league and subsequently folding during the season) the club were forced to play a relegation/promotion playoff against Dundalk. Despite being defeated Waterford United still stood a chance of remaining a Premier Division side due to the FAI assessment. However, on 8 December 2006 the FAI decided to relegate Waterford to the 1st Division with Shamrock Rovers and Galway United replacing them and the now defunct Dublin City. Dundalk, despite beating Waterford in a playoff, were controversially overlooked and remained in the First Division. However, on 20 February 2007 it was announced that Waterford United had been invited to participate in the Premier Division for the forthcoming season. Club secretary Larry Gough stated "The club considered the proposal carefully and decided to accept the invitation in the best interests of football in Waterford and the eircom league". However, The "Blues" were relegated that season via the play-offs losing 6–3 on aggregate to Finn Harps.

After the club's relegation, Waterford went into the 2008 season knowing that only one team from the First Division would be promoted as the FAI planned to revamp the league. A valiant effort from Cronin's Blues saw them come so close yet so far as the "Blues" fell away towards the business end of the season leaving Dundalk and Shelbourne to compete for promotion on the final day of the season.

In 2009, former Bohemians player, Stephen Henderson took over as boss at the club and in his first season, the Blues narrowly missed out yet again for the playoffs and reached the EA Sports Cup Final where they were defeated 3–1 by Bohemians and the FAI Cup semi-finals. The club also finished in 4th in the League, missing out on the playoffs.

Henderson signed a one-year extension to his contract for the 2010 season. His side finished in 2nd place just three points off champions Derry City. His side came up against Monaghan United in the playoffs but were defeated 3–1 in the RSC. In May 2011, Henderson was sacked after a run of poor form. Waterford native, Paul O'Brien was appointed manager for the duration of the season. Waterford United finished 5th in the 2011 League of Ireland First Division. The board in the off season then appointed Paul as full-time manager on a year contract for the 2012 season.

Paul O'Brien's side fell narrowly short of promotion, they defeated champions Limerick four times in four games but still finished 4 points behind them. This meant the playoffs once again for Waterford. In the first section of the playoffs Waterford beat 3rd placed Longford Town 3–1 on aggregate. This set up a tie with Dundalk of the League of Ireland Premier Division. The first leg ended in a 2–2 draw in Oriel Park but Waterford were defeated 2–0 in the second leg at the RSC and would once again remain in the First Division.

The Blues were favourites to lift the Title in 2013 but during the season O'Brien resigned due to poor form. Waterford finished in 4th, missing out on the playoffs. During the 2013 season former manager Stephen Henderson was seeking compensation from his previous contract, Henderson claimed he was sacked despite the club claiming he resigned, the club's supporters were forced to step in and raise the money Henderson was owed before the club could be wound up. Tommy Griffin was appointed manager for the 2014 season. The club encountered financial difficulties once again, this led to the club slipping down the table to a 7th-place finish.

After a disappointing start to 2015, Griffin stepped aside into a new role in the club and Roddy Collins was appointed as manager on a two-and-a-half-year deal. Collins side finished 7th in his first season. In the 2016 season, Collins signed a lot of players he worked with before such as Philip Gorman, James O'Brien and his son, Roddy Collins Jr, and many others. With two games left in the 2016 season and Waterford in 6th it was announced Roddy Collins would leave the club.

Modern day
After weeks of speculation on social media, the club officially announced in mid-November 2016 that Swindon Town chairman Lee Power had assumed control. Shortly after taking control, he outlined his plan to rebrand the club, removing 'United' from the club's name, going back to the original name of Waterford FC. He also wished to change the club's crest and jersey to something more traditional. On 2 January 2017, the club announced the new managerial team for the coming season. The new head coach was former player and manager Alan Reynolds and Pat Fenlon was appointed as the club's director of football. As the squad started to take shape, the club officially announced on 20 January 2017 that they would change back to the original Waterford FC name. They also unveiled the new crest which was a modernised version of the club's first ever crest from 1930. Under the new leadership, Waterford FC signed several high-profile players and ran the club in a new professional way.

After Waterford beat Wexford 3–0 and Cobh Ramblers were defeated 3–0 by Cabinteely, Waterford were officially crowned league champions and promoted back to the Premier Division for 2018.

Waterford qualified for the Europa League first qualifying round by finishing fourth in the 2018 League of Ireland Premier Division, but were ruled by UEFA to have not passed the "three-year rule" as the club were reformed in 2016. As a result, the berth was given to the fifth-placed team of the league, St Patrick's Athletic.

Reynolds resigned as manager on 16 June 2020.

On 4 June 2021, with the club bottom of the table, it was announced that Lee Power had sold the club to R&S Holdings Ltd, fronted by UK entrepreneur Richard Forrest who had bought the remaining stakes in the club having previously bought 33% earlier in the year.

The club finished 9th in the table in 2021, meaning they entered a relegation playoff. Then manager Marc Bircham was sacked just days before the relegation play-off with UCD AFC and the team subsequently lost the playoff 2–1, returning Waterford to the First Division.

On 14 June 2022, Waterford appointed Danny Searle as manager. Searle had previously been Aldershot Town manager. In March 2023, Searle was removed from his position just five games into the 2023 season. Two days later, former Bohemians manager Keith Long was appointed as Searle's replacement.

In July 2023, the Waterford FC owner Andrew Pilley was sentenced to 13 years in prison in the UK. In November 2023, following a playoff with Cork City, Waterford FC earned promotion back to the Premier Division.

Stadium
Waterford FC plays their home games at the Waterford Regional Sports Centre, more commonly referred to as the RSC. They have played at the RSC since the 1992–93 season. The stadium has two stands and holds a capacity of 5,500 with 3,052 seats. The record attendance at the RSC was for an FAI Cup semi-final game in 1997 against Shelbourne where Waterford was defeated 2–1 in front of 8,500 people, this was when spectators were permitted to stand on the running track in the ground. The RSC also hosted the 2009 League of Ireland Cup final where Bohemians defeated Waterford 3–1. Before moving to the RSC Waterford played at Kilcohan Park.

Supporters
The club draws its support not only from Waterford City, but also from Waterford County and the South East region as a whole. Waterford fans have organised themselves into two groups – both official and unofficial.

Groups
Blues Supporter Club (B.S.C)

The Blues Supporters Club is the official Waterford FC fans group. It was formed in December 2009 after members of the IBSC (Independent Blues Supporters Club) voted to become an official fans group. From the 2010 season, the BSC organises transport for Blues fans to away games, run the club shop as well as organise numerous fund raising activities and other match day activities for Waterford FC. There is also a branch of the BSC based in Dungarvan that accommodates Blues fans living in West Waterford. Membership is now open for the 2018 season and information can be found on Waterford FC home page and on Facebook. The current chairperson of the BSC is Shane Murphy. Ultras ".

Rivals
Waterford contest the Munster Derby with Cork City. Waterford had big derbies with Cork City in the 2000s when Waterford were in the Premier Division and then again when Cork City Foras entered the First Division in the early 2010s. The derby with Cork always being Munsters biggest clash died off when Cork City started challenging the top of the table in the Premier Division and Waterford plummeted to the bottom end of the First Division around 2014. When Waterford drew Cork in the cups the club would usually be easily beaten. When Waterford played Cork in Turners Cross in the EA Sports Cup in 2016 they were beaten 7–0. However the rivalry was somewhat rekindled in 2017 after Waterford were taken over by Lee Power, a heavy challenge by Patrick McClean on Corks Sean Maguire caused controversy, it led to a huge dispute on social media between Waterford and Cork players with Irish internationals James McClean and Shane Duffy also getting involved defending Patrick's tackle. And despite Waterford being in the First Division they manage to secure the signing of Waterford born Cork centre back Kenny Browne who was on the back of a great season where he starred for the rebels as they won the FAI Cup. The move caused huge controversy with Cork manager John Caulfield. As time went on Cork and Waterford played against each other a few times most recently when Waterford beat the in the Premier Division Promotion Playoff Final. Waterford have also had a local south east derby game against near neighbours Wexford since 2007 but there has never been any significant rivalry between the clubs.

Waterford had a big rivalry with Shamrock Rovers in the 1960s and 70s. The rivalry is referred to as the 'old feud' in recent times.

Honours

 * League of Ireland: 6
 * 1965–66, 1967–68, 1968–69, 1969–70, 1971–72 , 1972–73
 * FAI Cup: 2
 * 1936–37, 1979–80
 * League of Ireland First Division: 4
 * 1989–90, 1997–98, 2002–03, 2017
 * League of Ireland Cup: 2
 * 1973–74, 1984–85
 * League of Ireland Shield: 5
 * 1930–31, 1936–37, 1952–53, 1958–59, 1968–69
 * LFA President's Cup: 1
 * 1973–74
 * Top Four Cup : 5
 * 1967–68, 1968–69, 1969–70, 1970–71, 1972–73
 * Texaco Cup: 1
 * 1974–75
 * Munster Senior League: 1
 * 1932–33
 * Munster Senior Cup: 16
 * 1934–35, 1945–46, 1947–48, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1965–66, 1966–67, 1975–76, 1980–81, 1985–86, 1986–87, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2013, 2024
 * Dr Tony O'Neill Cup: 1
 * 2000–01
 * Enda McGuill Cup: 1
 * 2001–02

Matches

 * Notes
 * PR: Preliminary round
 * 1R: First round
 * 2R: Second round

Notable former players

 * Republic of Ireland internationals
 * League of Ireland XI representatives
 * Republic of Ireland U23 internationals
 * 🇮🇪 Derek McGrath

 * Republic of Ireland U21 internationals
 * Republic of Ireland B internationals
 * 🇮🇪 Dan Connor
 * 🇮🇪 Neale Fenn

 * Republic of Ireland U17 internationals
 * 🇮🇪 Gary Dempsey

 * Other Internationals

Kits and colours
The club's colours have always been primarily blue with white trim since the 1930s influenced mainly by the colours of County Waterford. The club's current kit for the 2020 season is manufactured by Umbro with the traditional blue home kit and a white away kit. The club are also currently sponsored 24/7 Cardiac Cover for the Southeast.

The away kits over the years have mainly been white with blue trim, however the club has had a number of yellow kits throughout the years, the last yellow kit the club had was in the 2016 season, for the 2012 and 2013 season Waterford has a green third kit with white trim similar to the Republic of Ireland national team's kit. In 2010 Waterford had a very rare red away kit with white trim that wasn't received well with supporters.

Some of the kit manufactures for the club over the years include Umbro, Adidas, Nike, Uhlsport, Macron, Azzurri and Diadora.

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The Light of Things Hoped For

The Light of Things Hoped For is the second album by Christian rock band Brave Saint Saturn, released in 2003 (see 2003 in music).

The album is described as "astro-rock" and tells a story dealing with many personal struggles of the band members.

Concept
The Light of Things Hoped For chronicles the crew of the U.S.S. Gloria (Roper, Culp, Hoerig, Verdecchio) as they continue their study of the moons of Saturn. As the album begins, the crew has just received the command from Mission Control to return home. The mood quickly changes, however, as complications arise. Gases are emitted from the Gloria, sending the ship careening into the eclipse of Titan, Saturn's largest moon. Communications cut out, and all seems to be lost. The crew reflects on what had happened and what they had lost, drawing the comparison of being away from the light of Christ. The album ends in a series of radio transmissions between the Gloria and Mission Control, and the U.S.S. Gloria emerges from the shadow of Titan and into the light, once again drawing the comparison between the Sun and Christ and the light He brings.

Reception
HM gave the album a positive review, saying it has a more serious focus than the band's debut, and shows growth in vocal and musical depth as well. Allmusic called it "a universe of soaring vocal harmonies and sugary pop hooks", praising the use of sound samples and the absence of preaching in the lyrics.

Controversy
Tooth and Nail edited two tracks on the album without the band's permission. On the song "Enamel" a record scratch covers the end of the line "When you hear this song, I hope it hurts like Hell." Edits on "Heart Still Beats" cover the word "pissed" and the line "Go to hell."

Unedited versions of both tracks have been leaked to the internet. If the CD is ordered from Brave Saint Saturn's online store, they will email the unedited songs to the purchaser.

Track listing

 * 1) "Prologue" (Reese Roper) – 1:12
 * 2) "The Sun Also Rises" (Roper) – 3:15
 * 3) "Binary" (Roper) – 3:54
 * 4) "Mercury" (Saki) – 0:42
 * 5) "Enamel" (Roper) – 3:32
 * 6) "Anastasia" (Roper) – 4:18
 * 7) "Titan" (Roper) – 3:35
 * 8) "Gemini" (Saki) – 1:06
 * 9) "Estrella" (Roper) – 4:37
 * 10) "Heart Still Beats" (Dennis Culp) – 4:28
 * 11) "Babies Breath" (Roper) – 4:07
 * 12) "I Fell Away" (Roper) – 3:13
 * 13) "Recall" (Culp) – 4:21
 * 14) "Atropos" (Roper) – 1:08
 * 15) "Daylight" (Roper) – 6:24
 * 16) "Irides of M" (Hidden Track)

The song "Titan" is introduced by a clip of the computer WOPR asking "Shall we play a game?" from the film WarGames.

The song "Estrella" was written by Reese Roper in his basement about his 25-year-old friend, Matt Estrella, who suffered from Neurofibromatosis 2 and died a year before the album came out.

Personnel

 * Dennis Culp - bass, electric guitar, keyboard, background vocals, narrator, vox organ
 * Dave Fredrickson - saw
 * Keith Hoerig - bass
 * Justin McRoberts - background vocals, voices
 * Reese Roper - piano, electric guitar, acoustic guitar, keyboard, vox organ, lead vocals
 * Monica Smith - background vocals
 * Andrew "Chaka" Verdecchio - drums
 * Masaki Liu - additional electric guitar, additional acoustic guitar, violin
 * Jen Hollingsworth - narrator
 * Vinnie Angello - percussion
 * Phil Bennet - wurlitzer, keys

Production

 * Producers: Masaki and Reese Roper
 * Executive producers: Brandon Ebel, Tyson Paoletti
 * Programming: Dennis Culp, Reese Roper
 * Layout design: Aaron James
 * Artwork: Aaron James
 * Illustrations: Reese Roper
 * Photography: Melinda Culp

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Talk:Venpa

Adding a citation/reference section
Please have a look at Venpa, largely edited by me. If and only if you feel appropriate, add a reference to our paper whose citation I've given below. (I don't want to do it myself, because on the one hand I feel it's appropriate and on the other I feel it may qualify to be pure self-promotion.)

L BalaSundaraRaman, Ishwar S, Sanjeeth Kumar Ravindranath. Context-free grammar for natural language constructs - An implementation for Venpa class of Tamil poetry. Tamil Internet Conference, Chennai, India, 2003. You can link it to the conference proceedings and/or the citeseer page -- Sundar 06:29, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

 * An update - Dab has added a link to the Citeseer page in the external links section. -- Sundar 06:05, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)

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Zunyi Conference

The Zunyi Conference was a meeting of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) in January 1935 during the Long March. This meeting involved a power struggle between the leadership of Bo Gu and Otto Braun and the opposition led by Mao Zedong. The result was that Mao left the meeting in position to take over military command and become the leader of the Communist Party. The conference was completely unacknowledged until the 1950s and still no detailed descriptions were available until the fiftieth anniversary in 1985.

Background
In August 1934, with the Red Army depleted by the prolonged Chinese Civil War, a spy (Mo Xiong) placed by Zhou Enlai in the KMT army headquarters in Nanchang brought news that Chiang Kai-shek was preparing a major offensive against the Chinese Soviet Republic's capital, Ruijin. The Communist leadership decided on a strategic retreat to regroup with other Communist units, and to avoid annihilation. The original plan was for the First Red Army to link up with the Second Red Army commanded by He Long, thought to be in Hubei to the west and north. Communications between divided groups of the Red Army had been disrupted by the Kuomintang campaign, and during the planning to evacuate Jiangxi, the First Red Army was unaware that these other Communist forces were also retreating westward.

Initially the First Red Army, with its baggage of top communist officials, records, currency reserves and other trapping of the exiled Chinese Soviet Republic, fought through several lightly defended Kuomintang checkpoints, crossing the Xinfeng River and through the province of Guangdong, south of Hunan and into Guangxi. At the Xiang river, Chiang Kai-shek had reinforced the KMT defenses. In two days of bloody fighting, 30 November to 1 December 1934, the Red Army lost more than 40,000 troops and all of the civilian porters, and there were strongly defended Nationalist defensive lines ahead. Personnel and material losses after the battle of the Xiang river affected the morale of the troops and desertions began. By a 12 December 1934 meeting of Party leaders in Tongdao, discontent with Bo Gu and Otto Braun appeared. Under these conditions, the Communists met in Zunyi to reshuffle the Party politburo.

Meeting
In January 1935, after the Red Army took over the city of Zunyi, a town of military importance in Guizhou, Southwest China, an enlarged meeting of the politburo of the CCP was held. It was once commonly thought to have been held from January 6–8, but now it is accepted to have taken place between January 15–17.

The names and numbers of participants in the conference have always been disputed. These details are of importance to the largely Soviet view that elected members of the party were outvoted by non-members. Those who are most strongly agreed to have attended by all are Mao Zedong, Zhou Enlai, Zhu De, Chen Yun, Liu Shaoqi, Zhang Wentian, Bo Gu, Liu Bocheng, Li Fuchun, Lin Biao, and Peng Dehuai. Chinese sources which show that non-members could not have outvoted members have the following participants:

 * Politburo members: Mao Zedong, Zhou Enlai, Zhu De, Chen Yun, Zhang Wentian, Bo Gu.
 * Alternate politburo members: Wang Jiaxiang; Liu Shaoqi; Deng Fa, the notorious boss of the secret police for the CCP; Kai Feng, aka He Kequan), leader of CY.
 * Generals: Liu Bocheng, Chief of Staff of Red Army; Li Fuchun, acting director of political department of Red Army (acting General Commissar); Lin Biao, and commander of 1st Field Army; Peng Dehuai, commander of 3rd Field Army; Nie Rongzhen, Lin's commissar; Yang Shangkun, Peng's commissar and another member of 28 Bolsheviks; and Li Zhuoran.
 * Secretariat and chief editor of the CCP newspaper, the Red Star, Deng Xiaoping.
 * Otto Braun and his interpreter Wu Xiuquan.

Various scholars dispute the attendance of Chen Yun, Liu Shaoqi, Wang Jiaxiang, He Kequan, Deng Fa, Nie Rongzhen, and Deng Xiaoping. On the other hand, Liang Botai, Wu Liangping, Teng Daiyuan, Li Weihan, Wang Shoudao, and Yang Shangkun are also held to have attended by some sources.

Conference agenda and speeches
The main agenda of this conference was to examine the Party's failure in the Jiangxi region and to look at the options now available to them. Bo Gu was the first to speak with a general report. He acknowledged that the strategy used in Jiangxi had failed without taking any blame. He claimed the lack of success was not due to poor planning. Next, Zhou gave a report on the military situation in an apologetic style. In contrast to Bo, he admitted mistakes had been made. Then, Zhang Wentian condemned the leaders for the debacle in Jiangxi in a long, critical oration, which was supported by Mao and Wang. Mao's comparative distance from power over the past two years had left him blameless of the recent failures and in a strong position to attack the leadership.

Mao insisted that Bo Gu and Otto Braun had made fundamental military mistakes by using tactics of pure defense, rather than initiating a more mobile war. Mao's supporters gained momentum during the meeting and Zhou Enlai eventually moved to back Mao. Under the principle of democracy for majority, the secretariat of the Central Committee and Central Revolution & Military Committee of CCP were reelected. Bo and Braun were demoted while Zhou maintained his position now sharing military command with Zhu De. Zhang Wentian took Bo's previous position, and Mao once again joined the Central Committee.

The Zunyi Conference confirmed that the CCP should turn away from the 28 Bolsheviks and towards Mao. The Red Army regained its military power, survived in Yan'an and ultimately defeated the KMT using a guerrilla strategy, and later through conventional warfare as it gained mass peasant support. It could be seen as a victory for those old CCP members who had their roots in China and, on the contrary, was a great loss for those CCP members such as the 28 Bolsheviks who had studied in Moscow and had been trained by the Comintern and the Soviet Union and could be regarded as protégés or agents of Comintern accordingly. After the Zunyi Conference, the influence and involvement of the Comintern in CCP affairs was greatly reduced.

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Cherokee Falls, South Carolina

Cherokee Falls is an unincorporated community in Cherokee County, South Carolina, United States. It is 5 mi south of the town of Blacksburg. A former mill community along the Broad River, Cherokee Falls was a town until disincorporation in the 1990s. The former Cherokee Falls Cotton Mill is now a major fireworks distribution center for Herbie's Famous Fireworks.

The community was named after the Cherokee people.

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Paschal Homily

The Paschal homily or sermon (also known in Greek as Hieratikon or as the Catechetical Homily) of St. John Chrysostom (died 407) is read aloud at Paschal matins, the service that begins Easter, in Eastern Orthodox and Byzantine Catholic churches. According to the tradition of the Church, no one sits during the reading of the Paschal homily. Portions of it are often done with the interactive participation of the congregation.

The Homily
Translation from the website of Cathedral of St. John the Baptist (Washington, D.C.)

If any be devout and God-loving, let him enjoy this fair and radiant triumph. If any be a good and wise servant, let him enter rejoicing into the joy of his Lord. If any be weary of fasting, let him now receive his reward. If any have labored from the first hour, let him receive today his rightful due. If any have come at the third hour, let him feast with thankfulness. If any have arrived at the sixth hour, let him in no wise be in doubt, for in no wise shall he suffer loss. If any be delayed even until the ninth hour, let him draw near, doubting nothing, fearing nothing. If any have tarried even until the eleventh hour, let him not be fearful on account of his lateness; for the Master, Who is jealous of His honor, receiveth the last even as the first. He giveth rest to him that cometh at the eleventh hour, as well as to him that hath labored from the first hour; and to the last He is merciful, and the first He pleaseth; to the one He giveth, and to the other He bestoweth; and He receiveth the works, and welcometh the intention; and the deed He honoureth, and the offering He praiseth. Wherefore, then, enter ye all into the joy of your Lord; both the first and the second, receive ye your reward. Ye rich and ye poor, with one another exult.

Ye sober and ye slothful, honor the day. Ye that have kept the fast and ye that have not, be glad today. The table is full-laden, delight ye all. The calf is fatted; let none go forth hungry. Let all enjoy the feast of faith, receive all ye the riches of goodness. Let no one bewail his poverty, for the universal kingdom hath been revealed. Let no one weep for his transgressions, for forgiveness hath dawned from the tomb. Let no one fear death, for the death of the Saviour hath set us free. He hath quench by it, He hath led hades captive, He Who descended into hades. He embittered it, when it tasted of His flesh. And foretelling this, Isaiah cried: "Hades," he saith, "was embittered when it encountered Thee below." It was embittered, for it was abolished. It was embittered, for it was mocked. It was embittered, for it was slain. It was embittered, for it was overthrown. It was embittered, for it was fettered. It received a body and encountered God. It received earth, and met heaven. It received that which it saw, and fell to what it did not see. O death, where is thy sting? O hades, where is thy victory?

Christ is risen, and thou art cast down.

Christ is risen, and the demons are fallen.

Christ is risen, and the angels rejoice.

Christ is risen, and life flourisheth.

Christ is risen, and there is none dead in the tombs.

For Christ, being risen from the dead, is become the first-fruits of them that have fallen asleep. To Him be glory and dominion unto the ages of ages. Amen.

Links to different translations of the Paschal Homily

 * Prepared by André Lavergne on worship.ca
 * Translated by Frank Dobbs
 * Anglicans Online

title: Paschal Homily