text:
Talk:After Forever

Untitled
Concerning the departure of Mark Jansen. I edited the text to state that he not so much left on his own accord, rather was kicked out of the band. This was again replaced with him quitting. Is it perhaps not encyclopedia-worthy to designate the difference? Opinions? - DarknessThere
 * Since I was the one who wrote the current version of the article and also made the revert, I will try to give a summarised explanation. In trying to keep a neutral point of view, I usually do not use terms such as "was fired" or "was kicked out" without a reliable reference with such wording; an interview with the band or the musician, for example, since the inclusion of such wording might create needless commotion. In case you have a realiable source for the information - no fan biographies and such - feel free to make the change and please reference the site. --Sn0wflake 23:38, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

It has no added value to mention that Mark has left Epica not on his own initiative, why would you spread these words? To put After Forever in a dark light? It's useless totally. It's a personal thing you should not interfere with (and you probably don't even know it's details of - if you want to put sth like "kicked out of the band" on a public forum you might also want to state it with the original reasons - and I'm sure that will damage Mark's reputation; so don't!), also the band announced that they split with Mark, so that is official and the only thing worth noting.
 * It was not my intention to damage the reputation of Mark, Epica or After Forever. I'm looking at this from a neutral point of view, and I'm quite sure that he was fired from the band. I can't find a source for the moment though, so I guess I'll leave it at this. What I don't see, however, is why it shouldn't be stated that he was fired (supposing I did find the source). There's a big difference between leaving and being fired, in my opinion... I'll get back to you if I find the source... DarknessThere 20:24, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Simple. Because it creates discussions which add nothing to the article, such as this one. You have a source, do whatever you want. Otherwise. --Sn0wflake 20:55, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, I guess we'll leave it at this then... There's no need to jump at my throat like this, I didn't mean harm or anything... DarknessThere 09:23, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Jansen
Anyone has an idea why Floor Jansen and Mark Jansen share the name? Roman V. Odaisky 07:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It is one of the most common surnames in the Netherlands. I suspect it is coincidence. Cristan 17:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I heard somewhere that they are not related. I was wondering the same thing at one time. Backtable Speak to Me  about what I have done  03:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Masters of Rock
Is there a reason why the caption of the picture of Floor Jansen says that the Masters of Rock Festival is in Zlín, when actually it is in Vizovice, town near Zlín ? --Jenda groovy (talk) 10:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Power Metal
After Forever's old albums were absolutely not power metal! --78.72.63.36 (talk) 15:49, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

 * HAAHAH that's right it's symphonic/Gothic Metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ireneo.e (talk • contribs) 03:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Okay, thanks for the very useful conversation about this matter of high importance. ;) Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 03:28, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

 * The music of After Forever includes many influences, ranging from Classical, Opera, Ethnic etc., but is firmly rooted in the Death Metal background of the core members Mark Jansen and Sander Gommans. The fast tempo changes, the grunts and screams, the strong religious and dark undertones of the lyrics all come from Death Metal. The musicianship, the use of keyboards and the technical difficulty of their compositions have similarities in Progressive Metal, too. Above the blend of these two genres the composers inserted classical elements (choirs and orchestra), opera voices, ethnic sounds (Indian and Middle East elements), gothic influences (Latin lyrics and choirs). The result is a very mature and interesting heavy metal music, which can be easily catalogued under symphonic metal, but often transcends the genre. On the other end, two of the basic elements of Power Metal, powerful male choruses and fantasy lyrics, are completely absent in After Forever albums. Lewismaster (talk) 06:48, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 one external links on After Forever. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20080117100203/http://metalreview.com:80/975/After-Forever-Exordium.aspx to http://www.metalreview.com/975/After-Forever-Exordium.aspx
 * Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20071110065324/http://www.metal-invader.com/db/reviews-3673.html to http://www.metal-invader.com/db/reviews-3673.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).

Cheers.—cyberbot II  Talk to my owner :Online 06:30, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 one external links on After Forever. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080513022623/http://www.metal-ways.com:80/bands/1/after-forever.html to http://www.metal-ways.com/bands/1/after-forever.html/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20081208052205/http://video.metalz.info:80/tag/after-forever/ to http://video.metalz.info/tag/after-forever/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 08:03, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 9 external links on After Forever. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070815235752/http://www.popinstituut.nl/biografie/after_forever.9052.html to http://www.popinstituut.nl/biografie/after_forever.9052.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110710215630/http://www.faceculture.com/artist.php?id=209 to http://www.faceculture.com/artist.php?id=209
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110723003039/https://www.soniccathedral.com/webzine/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=167&Itemid=5 to https://www.soniccathedral.com/webzine/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=167&Itemid=5
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090418033905/http://www.ragnarokradio.co.uk/2008/12/women-in-metal-part-1-floor-jansen-and-lori-linstruth.html to http://www.ragnarokradio.co.uk/2008/12/women-in-metal-part-1-floor-jansen-and-lori-linstruth.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110719132026/http://www.drummerszone.com/news/newsItem.php?n01ID=6755&type=2 to http://www.drummerszone.com/news/newsItem.php?n01ID=6755&type=2
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090418033905/http://www.ragnarokradio.co.uk/2008/12/women-in-metal-part-1-floor-jansen-and-lori-linstruth.html to http://www.ragnarokradio.co.uk/2008/12/women-in-metal-part-1-floor-jansen-and-lori-linstruth.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100328010448/http://www.afterforever.com/ to http://www.afterforever.com/
 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.metal-ways.com/bands/1/after-forever.html
 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://video.metalz.info/tag/after-forever/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 00:37, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on After Forever. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080822104101/http://www.afterforever.com/ to http://www.afterforever.com/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 19:41, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

title: Talk:After Forever


text:
Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Interstate 90

Interstate 90
I want to post this article as the featured article of December 28, 2004. I would like to let people know more about this interstate highway. Anyone have any answers? --cheung1303 06:31, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object: mainly lists. Filiocht 08:28, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Object: mainly lists and trivia. There is probably a lot to say about the history of building the road, of what was displaced by it where it goes through cities, of its economic effects, of places where alternate routes were considered, of where it simply upgraded existing road vs. creating a new route, etc. This is not even close to a featured article. -- Jmabel | Talk 08:41, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Object No way is this a featured article at the moment. Needs huge expansion on its construction, environment, history etc. etc. etc. Giano 10:53, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object this is more like a bunch of statistics about I-90 -- kaal 23:44, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object for reasons above. Also, "letting people know more about" something isn't a reason to give an article featured status. --Szyslak 09:04, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/


text:
Talk:Archibald MacLeish

Untitled
I created this from Most Wanted Pages. The biography is solid, but I don't know literature so the discussion of his actual work is embarassingly short. If someone with more literary knowledge could expand it, that'd be appreciated. Isomorphic 15:39, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * Also add a list of his works ··gracefool |☺ 04:42, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Copyright problem
This article has been reverted by a bot to as part of a large-scale clean-up project of multiple article copyright infringement. (See the investigation subpage) This has been done to remove User:Accotink2's contributions as they have a history of extensive copyright violation and so it is assumed that all of their major contributions are copyright violations. Earlier text must not be restored, unless it can be verified to be free of infringement. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions must be deleted. Contributors may use sources as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. VWBot (talk) 14:44, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 1 one external link on Archibald MacLeish. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20091007121253/http://www.americaslibrary.gov/cgi-bin/page.cgi/jb/progress/macleish_1 to http://www.americaslibrary.gov/cgi-bin/page.cgi/jb/progress/macleish_1

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 07:01, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

title: Talk:Archibald MacLeish


text:
Buffalo Grove High School

Buffalo Grove High School (BGHS) is a public high school located in Buffalo Grove, Illinois, a northwestern suburb of Chicago. It is one of six four-year comprehensive high schools in Township High School District 214, serving portions of the villages of Buffalo Grove, Arlington Heights, and  Wheeling. Feeder schools are Cooper Middle School, Thomas Middle School, and London Middle School.

History
Buffalo Grove High School opened in 1973, drawing students and staff from Wheeling and John Hersey High Schools. Dr. Clarence M. "Chick" Miller, formerly assistant principal at Wheeling High School, was named the school's first principal.

On March 12, 1976, President Gerald Ford, during his campaign against former California Governor Ronald Reagan, made a March primary appearance in the gymnasium of Buffalo Grove High School.

In 2003, new classrooms, a foyer, and offices opened as part of a six-million dollar renovation. The "Circle Drive" on the west side of the school was greatly reduced in size to make room for the new classrooms and foyer. The new classrooms included new science labs and special-ed facilities. Additionally, room was made in old storage space on the second floor of the south side of the building for new foreign-language classrooms.

On August 27, 2004, the Bison hosted their first Friday night game under new lights at Bison Stadium. They were the final team in the Mid-Suburban League to switch from Saturday afternoons to Friday night games.

Academics
Buffalo Grove High School won a 1999–2000 Blue Ribbon Award for Excellence, presented by the United States Department of Education.

In 2008, the average ACT score was 23.3, and 95.5% of the class of 2008 graduated on time. BGHS failed to meet Adequate Yearly Progress (AYP) according to the federal No Child Left Behind Act because of scores below the minimum target on the Prairie State Achievement Examination and ACT in two student subgroups.

Athletics
A renovation of the school in 2014 added a multimillion-dollar pool area. Teams from Buffalo Grove HS compete in the Mid-Suburban League (MSL). Buffalo Grove is also a member of the Illinois High School Association (IHSA), the governing body for most interscholastic sports and competitive activities in Illinois.

The school sponsors interscholastic teams for boys and girls in basketball, cross country, golf, lacrosse, gymnastics, soccer, swimming & diving, tennis, track & field, volleyball, and water polo. Boys may compete in baseball, football, and wrestling. Girls may compete in badminton, bowling, and softball. In 2011 the school inducted a co-ed competitive cheerleading team to perform at athletic games and compete in the winter and spring.

State championships

 * Basketball (Girls): 1999–00
 * Bass fishing: 2016–17
 * Football: 1986–87
 * Soccer (Boys): 1988–89
 * Competitive Co-Ed Cheerleading: 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2022–23

Activities
Buffalo Grove supports 47 student clubs and activities, an entire and updated list of which can be found at the school's website. These include music, the arts, culture and language, social/political action, and student government. Buffalo Grove also has a nationally recognized Speech and Debate team, boasting the 99th best Lincoln Douglas Debate team in the National Forensics League.

Among the clubs are chapters of these more nationally notable groups: NJROTC, SADD, Scholastic Bowl, Science Olympiad (which won the Illinois State Championship in 1989, 1990 and 2024), and Mathletes.

In March 2012, the Scholastic Bowl Team qualified for the IHSA State Meet in Peoria, Illinois by beating William Fremd High School in the Sectional Final at North Chicago High School. They were also the Regional Champions and MSL Conference Champions, beating Fremd in dramatic fashion 485-480.

Another prominent group at Buffalo Grove was its show choir, The Expressions. This mixed competition show choir was composed of 38 singer-dancers, 12 band members and 4 crew members. Similar to the hit television show Glee, the group met as a class and competed throughout the country at various show choir competitions. They attended the Dekalb Indiana Show Choir Invitational Competition, the Chicagoland Showcase Competition, and the Nashville Show Choir Nationals Competition.

Notable alumni

 * Tim Bogar — Major League Baseball infielder (1993–2001), primarily for New York Mets and Houston Astros, First Base Coach of Washington Nationals, former interim manager of Texas Rangers
 * Melanie Chandra — actress, Code Black
 * Larry Doyle — comic writer who worked on The Simpsons (1997–2001); first novel, Thurber Prize-winning I Love You, Beth Cooper, is set at Buffalo Grove High School.
 * Lindsey Durlacher — Greco-Roman wrestler who competed for U.S.
 * Doug Ghim PGA professional golfer.
 * Felice Herrig (2003) — professional Mixed Martial Artist, current UFC Strawweight
 * Brett Lebda — professional ice hockey defenseman, member of 2008 Stanley Cup champion Detroit Red Wings
 * Mike Marshall — Major League Baseball outfielder and first baseman (1981–91), primarily with Los Angeles Dodgers; member of 1988 World Series champions
 * Brian McBride — professional soccer player, first overall selection in inaugural MLS draft in 1996; has since played in three FIFA World Cups for the US men's national soccer team
 * Josh Paul — Major League Baseball catcher (1999–2007), primarily with Chicago White Sox
 * Jessy Schram — actress; among notable roles are Hannah Griffith in Veronica Mars, Rachel Seybolt in Life, Karen in Falling Skies and Cinderella/Ashley Boyd in Once Upon a Time
 * Judd Sirott — radio broadcaster, nationally for NHL, locally with Chicago Wolves, Chicago Blackhawks, and WGN (AM) with Chicago Cubs
 * Don Thorp — defensive lineman in NFL (1984, 1987–88)
 * Tom Zbikowski — special teams for NFL's Baltimore Ravens, Indianapolis Colts and Chicago Bears, as well as professional boxer

title: Buffalo Grove High School


text:
Talk:National myth

Myth??
The section about China, what part of Sun Yat-sen in his role for the creation of the Republic of China a myth? The wikipedia articles on gunpowder and compass clearly indicate those are Chinese inventions. Are we saying these articles present myths? --Kvasir 02:44, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

''"A national myth is an inspiring, or patriotic story or anecdote that serves as a national symbol of a country, and re-affirms a country's "national values." A national myth may sometimes take the form of a 'national epic'."

This definition, in the first line of the article, doesn't seem to be in consistent use throughout the article. Several of the "myths" are very dubious examples of "national myths", and display an obvious USA-centrism in their much wider interpretation of the term for that section than for any other sections. See "Rosa Parks' resistance to compulsory racial segregation in the Montgomery, Alabama bus system is celebrated as the spark of the American Civil Rights Movement. Certain elements of the story have been arguably mythologized, however—Parks was an NAACP activist, and not the first to challenge segregation laws on a Montgomery bus or otherwise." If we included every significant figure in every nation's history whose importance has (debatably) been exaggerated or whose every minor background detail is not universally known, we'll need to make this page two hundred times as long, because countless other historical figuers have been similarly romanticized in terms of importance alone. I thought a national myth had to have elements of the story that were idealized, not just the importance of the story itself in a certain part of history overstated? And even then, Rosa Parks is indisputably of great historical importance, one way or another, so what's the point of this? -Silence 16:10, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

France
As a French person I was rather amused to see your choice of myths. This selection would still have been acceptable 50 years ago, but I think later events (the Resistance for example), loom larger in French memories. And the best remembered episode from the French Revolution is not the execution of King Louis, but the storming of the Bastille.--Anne97432 15:49, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Estonia
The entry for Estonia lists Kalevipoeg. I'm not sure it's entirely appropriate alone, as this does not appear to fully match the definitions specified above. Perhaps, myths dating from the Estonian War of Independence should be added. Digwuren 00:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Inflammatory reference
Petri Krohn has twice introduced a "For communication of falsehoods, see National mysticism" link here. While I agree that the reference is useful, I believe that this description is problematic, and so have replaced it with a standard "See also" template. Digwuren 02:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Template seealso is not a standard hat text template, template for is!
 * As for the clamed POV: Category:National mysticism is included in
 * Category:Historical revisionism (political)
 * Category:Pseudohistory
 * Category:Pseudoscience
 * All three are included in Category:Communication of falsehoods. I can see no argument that National mysticism is not "communication of falsehoods". In fact, this is the defining characteristic that differentiates it from a national myth, and should thus be stated in the "for" text.
 * Besides, the only reason User:Digwuren is here, is that he is stalking me, and has for the last month summarily revered every edit I have made. -- Petri Krohn 02:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

It would be the purpose of this article to elucidate the various shapes and forms taken by "national myths", from merely anecdotal or traditional folklore, to national mysticist or ethnic nationalist fanaticism. Of course a national myth includes "communication of falsehood". The question is, who is fooling whom. In Switzerland, for example, there is the Rütlischwur. Nobody assumes this is anything like a historical event. It is nevertheless treated as a venerable fable symbolizing national origins. A bit like Santa Claus -- nobody is going to stop the custom just because it involves "communication of falsehood". At the other end of the scale, you have fanaticist stuff like the Battle of Kosovo in Serb nationalism. The battle itself is, of course, historical. But the national myth that has grown up around it is just as obviously a "communication of falsehood", but in this case, one of relaxed folklore and tradition, but one used to whip people into ethnic hatred and civil war. This makes for a complicated topic, and the article fails to address any of it in more than a superficial WP:LEAD sort of way. I suggest we need to lose the "list of national myths" and implement a coherent discussion of the topic instead. --dab (𒁳) 12:00, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

List of national myths
Should i expand it by adding more examples or explaining the existing examples in paragraphs? Drew Stanley (talk) 18:05, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Explain, using material fro the original article, mainly the lead. In your edit summary say copied from whatever. Use sources. Doug Weller  talk 18:46, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * thanks I am working on this. I think we can remove King asleep in the mountain from the list unless anyone disagrees. Drew Stanley (talk) 14:45, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I want to keep Treaty of Waitangi, but it is a document that has implications to mythos, while the others seem to be myths in the traditional sense.Drew Stanley (talk) 15:00, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Here is King Asleep in case someone decides to add it back
 * King asleep in the mountain: Common folklore motif in many European cultures, revolves around a legendary hero/leader that lies dormant in a hidden place, but will one day awaken to save his people in their hour of need.
 * @User:Doug Weller, do you or anyone else have any suggestions or advice for how to organize the examples? Drew Stanley (talk) 02:54, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Primary myths
This section is about the myth of nationalism as an ideology itself, rather than national myths. How can this be clearer? Should i move it somewhere else? Drew Stanley (talk) 18:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:National myth


text:
Talk:Pierre Méchain

Untitled
Removed the request for expansion...I think I did a pretty good job of expandination Paul Drye 03:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

¶ I added a comment about the meter project and cited a book which deals in considerable detail with this important part of Mechain's career. Sussmanbern (talk) 06:49, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

title: Talk:Pierre Méchain


text:
Talk:Salavan province

Kengthan Incomplete Primary School
An internet comic strip  raised money to construct The Kengthan Incomplete Primary School in Laos Salavan Province on Road No. 13 South. To see pix, go to http://blog.xkcd.com/ and scroll down to

Speaking of which, here are pictures of the xkcd school nearing completion in Laos: --Pawyilee (talk) 10:18, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Numbers
Do the numbers denote postcode? They seem to be out be one (ref: www.addressdoctor.com) any thoughts? 129.78.220.7 (talk) 03:37, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Khmer people
@Pierrevang3 I understand. Actually it has not any reliable source on the "Khom people". But why did you edit it to only Khmers? According to many sources that I find, it was Mon-Khmer people (Cham), not only Khmers who settled during that time and the province was inhabited by various indigenous tribes. (You can see this ) --Supakit prem (talk) 03:17, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

 * Hi! I simply modified Khom to only Khmer because the previous text went like this "a Mon-Khmer group, the Khom people established settlements". So the original text, which I did not write, refers to only one ethnic Mon-Khmer group which is the Khom. And Khom is a Thai term that refer to the Khmer and is used now, following the works of Thai fascist thinker Luang Wichitwatakan, as an umbrella term for anything Khmer that Thai nationalist spheres do not want it to be Khmer.
 * Regarding your second remark it might true and if it’s the case then it is legitimate to mention it but there is a problem: the Cham are not Mon-Khmer but rather Austronesian. So the source appears therefore not to be reliable.
 * As for the fact that the province was inhabited by multiple indegenous tribes, I think it can be added along the original statement mentioning the Khmers, which is to be kept as it includes a precise date contrary to the source referring to the indigenous tribes. Pierrevang3 (talk) 10:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Concerning your reply I still be not sure about you said "[…] the Khmers, which is to be kept as it includes a precise date contrary to the source referring to the indigenous tribes." What precise? Is there the evidence that you can precisely verify that the Khmers settled during that time? If you found it, please send the source into this talk.
 * Yours Sincerely --Supakit prem (talk) 12:48, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Like I said, I did not write the original text, I replaced the word Khom with the exact terminology.
 * I’m just against putting back the word "Khom". Pierrevang3 (talk) 13:26, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That said, I suppose the source linked in the wikipedia article would include this fact, but I can’t open it sadly Pierrevang3 (talk) 13:28, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Salavan province


text:
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Winifred Beecher Howe

Winifred Beecher Howe was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE

A single-joke Simpsons reference; not notable. (By the way, it's a coincidence that I found and posted this right after Indrain list a few other one-shot Simpsons jokes; I guess there's a lot of them) Cdc 06:35, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, fancruft.  --fvw *  08:27, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's not practical to merge and redirect all of these to The Simpsons. Like it or not, they are currently at least as quotable as Shakespeare. Interested in other ways of preserving the content. Merge and redir to Minor characters from The Simpsons? But I doubt any alternative solution will need VfD, this entry would end up as a redir I'd guess. Andrewa 17:25, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: DCEdwards1966 20:23, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge - overly granular with no potential. -- Cyrius|✎ 21:05, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, it's too delightful. Wyss 00:07, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, no merge or redirect: fancruft. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:12, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't think one-episode jokes deserve their own articles. I won't prevent anyone from mentioning the lady at One-time characters from The Simpsons (perhaps mentioning this time that her name spoofs Harriet Beecher Stowe), but a separate article just for her is too much. [[User:Livajo|Ливай | ☺]] 07:15, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to one-time charactes from The Simpsons. Bryan 21:06, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm too excited to sleep.  Anyone up for the Simpsons Trivia Graveyard?  What's that?  It's where they...   SWAdair | Talk  08:48, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion or on the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.


text:
Talk:Centaurus A

New image
I would like to suggest that the new ESA-APEX-Chandra image, now in the gallery below, be exchanged with one of the two images at the top. They are both very good optical images, but showing the optical galaxy with the jets and the shocks all, together in one high-resolution image, is really stunning. Wwheaton (talk) 08:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Image gallery scales
The three images currently shown in the Gallery are at very different angular scales. The Chandra one is probably the smallest, likely smaller than the Spitzer IR one, and the submillimeter one is very much larger than either of the other two. Someone (probably me, but I am too busy just now) needs to track these down to the image archives and annotate the images to indicate the quantitative scales. It is very confusing/deceptive as it stands. It would be great if the other two images in the article could be similarly annotated, for the same reasons. Astronomers need to be more conscientious about this issue in general.... Wwheaton (talk) 16:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

The O'Meara Allegation
Exactly what Stephen O'Meara can or cannot see is very contentious. That last sentence, "Centaurus A has been spotted with the naked eye by Stephen James O'Meara" should be changed to something along the lines of "Centaurus A has been claimed to have been spotted with the naked eye by Stephen James O'Meara". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Old wombat (talk • contribs) 10:32, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

It's original research and should be deleted. Ricky540 (talk) 22:02, 6 April 2011 (UTC) Done Old_Wombat (talk) 12:35, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

 * It's in the same difficulty level to spot as M81, so this should not be controversial. If you are James O'Meara, Brian skiff or someone similar who is used to doing this sort of thing, it's a piece of cake :) .Count Iblis (talk) 17:47, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Absolutely not true!!!! Brian Skiff has NEVER claimed to have observed Cen A, and is in fact of the opinion that it cannot be done. Stephen O'Meara's claims remain highly contentious. And the citation (the AINTNO catalog) is certainly not in any sense "reliable" or "authoritative". Once again, this statement should be altered to an unsubstantiated claim. 121.218.158.20 (talk) 08:50, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

 * In fact, Brian Skiff has pointed out that Cen A, being where it is, is densely surrounded by bright blue stars, which will heavily interfere with any attempt to see it naked eye using averted vision. Unlike M81, out in the middle of nowhere. O'Meara's claim remains very questionable. Very questionable. Of course now, in 2023, we will never know. All relevant observers now are far far too old. 2001:8003:E490:7D01:ADD8:39B6:67E2:76FB (talk) 11:28, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

File:ESO Centaurus A LABOCA.jpg to appear as POTD
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:ESO Centaurus A LABOCA.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on March 17, 2014. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2014-03-17. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Citation needed
"Spitzer Space Telescope studies have confirmed that Centaurus A is colliding with and devouring a smaller spiral galaxy.[citation needed]" -- last sentence of the introductory section.

So I found this source: http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/images/1192-ssc2004-09a1-Dusty-Elliptical-Galaxy-Centaurus-A that substantiates the claim, and it seems reliable.

I'll mess up the page if I try to edit it ... please ... could someone insert this link and clear the "citation needed" tag? 72.160.109.63 (talk) 01:58, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Centaurus A. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141003191523/http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120404.html to http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120404.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 03:48, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

"Hamburger Galaxy"
According to https://www.constellation-guide.com/centaurus-a/, Centaurus A has the nickname "Hamburger Galaxy", which is identical to NGC 3628. Should this be included? --Τυχαίος Χρήστης (talk) 19:02, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * No. Virtually everyone else means NGC 3628. -- Elphion (talk) 21:04, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

uhhh, no NGC 3628 is generally referred to as the HotDog Galaxy, not the Hamburger. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:e422:3c01:f530:399:1bda:50fe (talk) 08:41, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Google would seem to indicate otherwise. -- Elphion (talk) 17:56, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Paper on its satellite galaxies
https://arxiv.org/abs/1907.02012

Need to wait for it to get through peer review mind.©Geni (talk) 02:46, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It had already passed peer review and was published on 26 August. Ruslik_ Zero 08:42, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion: Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 01:30, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Centaurus A halo.jpg

Surface Brightness
Should 'Surface Brightness' be added for distended objects in astronomical objects. It's a useful metric commonly used by visual astronomers to asses the ability to perceive an object and has a greater bearing on the objects visibility to an observer than simple brightness. It can be derived from the size and brightness of the object. More information here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_brightness Markustone (talk) 10:51, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Centaurus A


text:
Talk:University of East London

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on University of East London. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110831002659/http://www.uel.ac.uk/about/history.htm to http://www.uel.ac.uk/about/history.htm
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20150327093011/http://www.uel.ac.uk/study/courses/graphicdesign.htm to http://www.uel.ac.uk/study/courses/graphicdesign.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 21:45, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Woefully out of date
It seems no-one has updated this page in years - the most recent information is at least five years old. Does no-one in UEL's marketing department even look at this page? Information as old as the content on tbis page (especially the content I have removed today) is not only out of date, it is also potentially misleading and reflects appallingly on the institution.

title: Talk:University of East London


text:
User talk:Neal Ford

Some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Neal Ford may not be sufficiently well-known to merit articles of their own. The Wikipedia community welcomes newcomers, and encourages them to become Wikipedians. By starting an account or logging in, each user is entitled to a user page in which they can describe themselves, and this article's content may be incorporated into that page. However, to merit inclusion in the encyclopedia proper, a subject must be notable. We encourage you to write or improve articles on notable subjects.

The page has now been moved to User:Neal Ford. -- 11:06, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I've moved it back to Neal Ford, since it seems to have been created well before your recent edits. -- 11:11, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Neal Ford

The article Neal Ford has been proposed for deletion because, under Wikipedia policy, all newly created biographies of living persons must have at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.   The nominator also raised the following concern:
 * No sources, previously deleted article.

If you created the article, please don't take offense. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. Milowent • talkblp-r 02:54, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Neal Ford


text:
Talk:Texas Southern University

Fair use rationale for Image:Accredited seal blue 100.gif
Image:Accredited seal blue 100.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 16:57, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Bat infestation
Is the bat infestation worth mentioning here? --Ezeu 20:09, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Multiple ommissions in this article
This article reads more like a PR notice than an objective article:

1. I question some of the information about the age of their college of pharmacy.

2. There is virtually no mention of their history of financial scandals.

3. There is also no mention of their graduation rate of only 20%, and the fact that their law school has one of the highest bar exam failure rates in the country.

http://www.blackcollegesearch.com/texas-colleges/texas-southern-university.htm -- Actually only 15% graduation rate.

http://www.ble.state.tx.us/Stats/stats_0708.htm -- Links to TSU's bar passage rate for July 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.64.42.246 (talk) 16:35, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Cowboyathlete 22:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Simply cite your sources and your claims can be duly justified in the article as you write it. I am a student at this school, so simply stating this information will serve no purpose to the general population other than as slander against the university. You can also bring up all the other financial scandals at other well-known schools such as the University of Texas, etc. Just GOOGLE Don't try to bring down this fine university. Thank you. Nguerrero03 01:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

 * WHere is mention made of the 1967 Riots? Those riots were quite significant in the history of the school and the city. How can they be left out? Wikipedia is weak. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.220.193.142 (talk) 21:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

 * The Barbara Jordan-Mickey Leland School of Public Affairs snippet appears (9/20/2012) at the end of its section, instead of at the top alongside the School of Business, School of Law, etc. I suggest organizing the various colleges in the university alphabetically.  I will also add the information missing from the school above about the Urban Planning and Environmental Policy graduate programs.--Paulsuckow (talk) 14:33, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Accredited seal blue 100.gif
Image:Accredited seal blue 100.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot 05:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Why Does This Keep Coming Up? This is a non-issue. Image has been justified twice, yet has come up for deletion twice. Something other than a bot please explain the rationale behind this? Nguerrero03 01:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

clean up section tag...
Could be applied. Emesee (talk) 03:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

List of people
These entries need references WhisperToMe (talk) 01:48, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yolanda Adams
 * Michael Strahan
 * Kirk Whalum
 * William Craven
 * Mickey Leland
 * Barbara Jordan
 * Don Narcisse

Murals

 * Marmaduke, Lauren. "Oops! TSU To Spend $50,000 Restoring Murals It Destroyed" Houston Press. Wednesday September 15, 2010. WhisperToMe (talk) 09:37, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Spanish name
WhisperToMe (talk) 03:58, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * http://es.houstonisd.org/grosses/Spanish%20Student%20Handbook%202011-2012%20%207-27-2011NN.pdf uses:
 * ""Universidad del Sur de Texas"

Proposed requirement for all state universities to have closed admissions
I found this article WhisperToMe (talk) 05:37, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ackerman, Todd. "State panel's vote a blow to college open admissions." Houston Chronicle. Saturday January 23, 1993. p. A1.

Controversy of having one of the lowest graduation rates in the country
Quotes:

- "With a mere 3 percent of Texas Southern University students graduating within four years"

- "But Glenn Lewis, the chairman of TSU’s board of regents, said that the university’s low numbers, among the nation’s worst, reflect a school willing to take chances on a high volume of students who are inadequately prepared — culturally, academically and economically — for college."

Sources:

http://www.texastribune.org/2012/03/04/tsu-works-bring-grad-rates-bottom/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/50-state-universities-with-best-worst-grad-rates/

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/texas-southern-university-3642

2012 NCAA sanctions
An editor is edit warring to remove all mention of the sanctions imposed by the NCAA in 2012. As described by the NCAA, in 2012 when the sanctions were levied the university "either has been on probation or had violations occurring on campus, or both, for 16 of the past 20 years." Among the many problems the NCAA cited in its sanctions: "the university allowed 129 student-athletes in 13 sports during seven academic years to compete and receive financial aid and travel expenses when they were ineligible. The majority of these student-athletes had not met progress toward degree or transfer requirements. The committee noted “particularly serious violations” occurred when the former head football coach knowingly allowed a booster to recruit for the football program and the former head men’s basketball coach provided false or misleading information during the investigation."

The sanctions placed all sports teams at the university on probation for five years (2012-2017 so this is still in effect), put the football and men's basketball teams on a post-season ban and reduced their scholarships, and vacated ALL team records from 2006 until 2010. There were many other sanctions; please read the full report or any of the press articles for more details.

This was not a flash-in-the-pan incident that quickly blew over. This was not an isolated incident limited to one or two teams. This is an incident with significant historical and contemporary weight with significant ramifications for this university. I am hard-pressed to imagine how it's desirable to omit all mention of this incident from this article. ElKevbo (talk) 02:22, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

 * An editor is edit warring to adding all mention of the sanctions imposed by the NCAA in 2012. Plenty of universities' in the region have had NCAA penalities opposed on them but he's only adamant about Texas Southern University and other historically black colleges because he's biased.  Baylor is one example of penalties opposed on a larger Texas university with no mention of it their wiki page.  I refuse to allow this editor to continue in be biased and unfair in his editing practices.  The penalties only apply to the football team today, the article he referenced isn't the whole story and he's blowing it out of proportion.  The only penalties imposed by the NCAA are restricted scholarships for the football team because of the swift actions to rectify the situation by the athletic department.Broadmoor (talk) 02:50, 16 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Broadmoor (talk • contribs) 21:50, March 15, 2015

 * You're correct that significant, university-wide sanctions should probably be mentioned on the articles of all colleges and universities that had suffered them. However, that this information is missing from other articles is irrelevant and something that should be taken up on those articles' Talk pages.  We're focusing on this article.  That the only sanctions in place now, a few years after they were initially levied, isn't very important.  Their scale and the reasons why they were initially imposed are important and barring other material contesting them and their importance you haven't presented any compelling reason why this information shouldn't be included.
 * (Incidentally, the Baylor example is a poor one. It's silly to try to compare Baylor's apparently poor record-keeping practices regarding phone calls and text messages with the many severe problems found at Texas Southern e.g., financial aid limits exceeded, rosters not produced, coaches lying to the NCAA.  That the NCAA accepted Baylor's self-imposed punishments but completely rejected Texas Southern's is evidence of the lack of comparability of the two situations.) ElKevbo (talk) 03:02, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

 * I brought up the Baylor issue to highlight your unfair biases in editing. If you're not going to be just and fair in your editing, you shouldn't be editing at all. Baylor's coaches had serious violations too but of course you're going to down play it to act on your biases in "good conscious".  That incident has no significant bearing on the Texas Southern today nor it's athletic program.  The athletic program was recently awarded by the NCAA for the progress and direction of the athletic program. Broadmoor (talk) 03:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

 * Lay off the personal attacks.
 * The information appears to be relevant because it's an important part of the university's history. We don't ignore events simply because they happened in the past or because other articles (incorrectly) omit them.  (Incidentally, I don't see the award to which you're referring.  Is the academic progress information?  If so, that's (a) a rather weak "award" and (b) has absolutely nothing to do with what happened in the years leading up to 2012 and the issues surrounding those events e.g., lack of institutional control, exceeding financial aid limits.) ElKevbo (talk) 03:22, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────    Despite having been recently blocked for edit warring, Broadmoor continues to edit war to remove this material. Stop doing that. Work out your differences here. And do so without making personal attacks or assumptions about the motivations of other editors. ElKevbo (talk) 11:58, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

 * Editors, I've explained several times to ElKevbo on his personal talk page and other platforms on his biased editing practices, unfamiliarity with the situation, and the redundancy of the "sanctions add". Opposed to presenting credible evidence/references validating his stance like I have, he has simply threatened to block me and then plays the victim.  1) The sanctions are already added to the athletics wiki page, why does it need to be on the university's main page when the infractions are under the athletic department.  That's redundant and irresponsible editing.  2) The editor in question continues to attempt to over-exaggerate and over-expose the sanctions opposed on TSU.  And when I've cited several incidents that were more serious and larger in scope at other universities (i.e Arkansas football that are not pronounced on their pages whatsoever ... he didn't start a campaign to rectify that which highlights his biased editing. 3) There's not a practice to place NCAA sanctions on university's pages unless a sports program is terminated or temporarily suspended (i.e. SMU football) ... again for example I cite Arkansas football and Baylor athletics department.  Both were convicted of violating NCAA sanctions but yet there's no section mentioning it on their pages.  NCAA sanctions are common, they don't deserve a section on the main page nor to be mentioned twice.Broadmoor (talk) 22:41, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 one external links on Texas Southern University. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20140116135530/http://www.tsu.edu/About/Administration/FactsataGlance2013.pdf to http://www.tsu.edu/About/Administration/FactsataGlance2013.pdf
 * Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20140729043350/http://www.tsu.edu:80/academics/colleges__schools/College_of_Education/about_the_college.php to http://www.tsu.edu/academics/colleges__schools/College_of_Education/about_the_college.php
 * Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20140808163129/http://www.tsu.edu/academics/colleges__schools/publicaffairs/aboutus.php to http://www.tsu.edu/academics/colleges__schools/publicaffairs/aboutus.php

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).

Cheers.—cyberbot II  Talk to my owner :Online 04:39, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

TSU graduates
add Homer Jones to TSU graduates — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.173.74.49 (talk) 18:45, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Year? Claim to fame?

 * By the by, the list of alums has, to my eye, no discernable order, except maybe the order they were added. I would suggest, maybe, chronological order, or alphabetical.  Also, possibly it would  be useful to have one list for athletics, and another for non-athletics.  How are these lists treated on other college articles?  I would not presume to make the change, as I have no ties to TS, and I have noticed that every edit inspires VAST repercussions, but guys and gals, don't you realize that each improvement potentially influences THOUSANDS of first impressions.  Many people see a mention of a subject in a newspaper, blog, book, or elsewhere, and check Wikipedia to learn more.  I must confess that, having heard of TSU, I was not aware that it was an historically black institution.  Having a balanced article, covering warts and blemishes as well as strengths, makes a discerning reader feel that they are getting the whole scoop, not just the ad, not just the hype of the promotional brochure.  Alums are proud of TSU.  Tell the whole story.  Your rep is strong, and in the long run, it will only be stronger due to honest disclosure.  If Baylor and Ark need to do the same, they need to do the same, but that is off-topic on this talkpage.

 * Also, though I know this will have little impct, "laundry lists" are discouraged on Wikipedia. The list of alums should be a short, representative list, not an exhaustive list of every grad who ever got his name in a newsletter.  Unfortunately, each reader has their favorite, and tho they might agree in theory that a shorter list has more "punch", nobody wants THEIR person omitted.  C'est la vie.  Rags (talk) 19:00, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Pictures
There are 1,000 people watching this page with no history of the university always challenging almost every single edit but add no quality content. You people watching this page should add pictures .... the page has been missing quality pictures forever! Finally make yourself useful.Broadmoor (talk) 12:29, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see Civility. When an edit you have made is challenged as unsourced, it is inappropriate for you to respond by telling other editors they should not be editing or challenging your edits whether or not they have contributed to the article, or "assigning" them to do different work. See also Ownership behavior. Once again,  requires the citation of a reliable source under Wikipedia's policies concerning verifiability.  You have been here long enough to understand this.   General Ization   Talk   12:37, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Texas Southern University. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20140116135530/http://www.tsu.edu/About/Administration/FactsataGlance2013.pdf to http://www.tsu.edu/About/Administration/FactsataGlance2013.pdf
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141220090656/http://www.takeback144.com/meet-gilbert/ to http://www.takeback144.com/meet-gilbert/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 19:25, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 5 external links on Texas Southern University. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added tag to http://archive.tsu.edu/pages/2974.asp
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121016045800/http://tsu.edu/academics/colleges__schools/thomas_f_freeman_Honors_College/ to http://www.tsu.edu/academics/colleges__schools/thomas_f_freeman_Honors_College
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120905024510/http://www.tsu.edu/academics/colleges__schools/publicaffairs/ to http://www.tsu.edu/academics/colleges__schools/publicaffairs/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120905024406/http://www.tsu.edu/academics/colleges__schools/publicaffairs/researchcenters.php to http://www.tsu.edu/academics/colleges__schools/publicaffairs/researchcenters.php
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20111123083222/http://databasefootball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=HANKTCOR01 to http://www.databasefootball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=HANKTCOR01
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20111123001105/http://databasefootball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=CELESOLI01 to http://www.databasefootball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=CELESOLI01

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 20:11, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

TSU (Texas Southern University) motto has been Achievement in Excellence. This motto has been the driving motivation for TSU students for years. As a result of this motto the students at TSU tend to be more committed and focus in making this Motto a reality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gdozier (talk • contribs) 00:55, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Alma mater song lyrics
Can the editor(s) who believe that the lyrics of this university's alma mater be included in this article please explain what exactly readers are supposed to learn from them? Furthermore, please provide evidence that the lyrics are not copyrighted otherwise including all of them is likely a copyright violation. (And also note that the URL previously provided doesn't seem to work anymore so we also need a reliable source for this information.) ElKevbo (talk) 16:22, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Athletics logo
I have removed the athletics logo from this article. It's a copyrighted image so we can only use it under fair use which is quite limited. We already use a copyrighted image in this article to identify the university so it's really stretching fair use to try to use another copyrighted image especially when (a) the image only identifies a subset of this institution (that has its own article that can make legitimate fair use of this image) and (b) there is no critical commentary or discussion of the athletics logo indicating that it's critical for readers to see if they're to understand this subject. Just to be fair, I've opened a discussion at Media copyright questions on this specific topic to get feedback from editors who may be more familiar with fair use and how it's applied in Wikipedia.

(And Broadmoor, I didn't remove the athletics logo from the University of Houston article because it's not a copyrighted image; it's only composed of simple lettering so it is considered to be too simple to be protected by copyright and hence we don't have to worry about fair use.) ElKevbo (talk) 16:29, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've been going back and forth with ElKevbo a thousand times on this matter and others. He is an over zealous editor that I noticed enjoys deleting quality content without any valid merit or proof to do so as in the case. The TSU athletics logo is within fair use just like the University of Houston athletics logo is and the many other university pages that have their athletics logo on their main page. No one every complained about copyright infringement, there's no compelling proof it's copyright infringement, and it belongs on the page .. it's that simple.Broadmoor (talk) 00:42, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * No, it's not that simple. There is a difference between non-free logos and Public Domain photos. Please read up on it and quit edit warring. The logo cannot be used in the article per WP:NFCC and WP:NFC§17. The article it is allowed in is Texas Southern Tigers. File:Houston Cougars logo.svg, fails originality, making it in the Public Domain since it is too simple and just letters and/or shapes. Since the UH logo is in the Public Domain, it is allowed in the University of Houston article.  Corky  00:47, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

title: Talk:Texas Southern University


text:
Enough Rope

Enough Rope with Andrew Denton (often shortened to Enough Rope) is a television interview show originally broadcast on ABC1 in Australia. The title of the show came from the phrase "give someone enough rope and they'll hang themselves".

The program was the brainchild of Australian comedian, social critic, producer and media personality Andrew Denton, who hosted the show. The hour-long chat show aired from 2003 to 2008.

Overview
The show was based around in-depth interviews Denton held with a celebrity or person of note, usually before a studio audience. Many high-profile guests would comment on Denton's meticulous research in interview preparation.

In addition to celebrities, Denton's interviewees have included people who are perceived to have extraordinary life stories or to hold interesting professions. An occasional feature of the show was "Show & Tell", in which Denton interviewed members of the studio audience, who revealed unusual stories about themselves.

The show initially competed against the Nine Network's Micallef Tonight in the Monday 9:30 pm timeslot, and critics have claimed that Enough Rope high ratings forced Nine to axe their program. Throughout 2004 and 2005 Enough Rope continued to dominate, averaging well over a million viewers weekly. At the beginning of both 2007 and 2008, the series began with several More Than Enough Rope specials, a series that revisited interviews with past guests along with behind the scenes footage. In 2008, the series had a series of interviews with people who are of 'older age', and these interviews were re-titled Elders with Andrew Denton instead of the usual 'Enough Rope' banner. Elders also aired in 2009. The show also included three 'On the Road' specials in which Denton travelled to a small country town and interviewed some of the local residents about their lives and experiences. The towns which the show visited were Rainbow, Victoria (2006), Mount Isa, Queensland (2007) and Kununurra, Western Australia (2008).

In an interview with The Sydney Morning Herald in October 2008, Denton announced that the 2008 season would be the last. He claims to have ended the show because he thought "It's a good time to finish." and saw his television future behind the camera. In a 2018 interview he said it was because he believed more of his guests were putting on an act instead of being themselves.

Notable guests
Some of the high-profile international guests that appeared on the show include former U.S. President Bill Clinton, David Attenborough, Al Gore, Jerry Seinfeld, Jim Carrey, Bob Geldof, Antonio Banderas, Helen Mirren, Bono, Dave Grohl, Dr Jane Goodall, Elton John, Crown Princess Mary of Denmark, Angelina Jolie, Clint Eastwood, Mel Brooks, and Michael Parkinson. Denton sometimes flew to international destinations to conduct his interviews.

On a local level, comedian Dave Hughes opened up about what led him to give up alcohol, and lifestyle television pioneer Don Burke shed some light on the axing of his show, Burke's Backyard. A highly publicised interview with disgraced footballer Wayne Carey conducted in the weeks after a series of controversies drew in a television audience of 1.5 million viewers. Other Australian guests of note include Bernie Banton, Tim Minchin and Kevin Bloody Wilson.

Enough Rope was at the centre of political controversy in 2005 due to a controversial interview with former ALP opposition leader Mark Latham which almost did not make it to air (Latham was also interviewed for Lateline). In 2004, Denton interviewed the controversial anti-immigration figure from Australian politics, Pauline Hanson, who argued that she was not a racist.

For the final program, aired on 8 December 2008, the guests were Ben Stiller and Wendy Whiteley.

title: Enough Rope


text:
Sándor Torghelle

Sándor Torghelle (born 5 May 1982) is a Hungarian former professional footballer who played as a forward. During his career, he played for Honvéd, Marcali, Crystal Palace, Panathinaikos, PAOK, Carl Zeiss Jena, FC Augsburg, Fortuna Düsseldorf, Videoton, and Vasas. He played 42 games for the Hungary national team between 2004 and 2010.

Crystal Palace
After developing in Hungary and playing for Budapest Honvéd, Marcali VFC and MTK Hungária, Torghelle signed for Crystal Palace, in August 2004 for a fee of roughly £750,000. He caught their eyes after scoring both goals for Hungary national team in their shock international friendly 2–0 victory over Germany in Kaiserslautern before UEFA Euro 2004. He wore the number 10 shirt, that of a first-choice striker, but found it hard to gain a regular place in the Crystal Palace starting eleven with Andy Johnson often playing as a lone striker. He scored only one goal in a League Cup match against Charlton, but the referee sent him off late in the game for diving.

After 12 months at Palace, Torghelle was first stripped of his first-team squad number (given number 30, while 10 went to new signing Jon Macken), and shortly after was loaned out to Panathinaikos in Greece for the 2005–06 season. In the deal, there was no clause for re-calling him, so he spent the whole season in Greece. However, he failed to impress, and Panathinaikos chose not to make the deal permanent.

PAOK
Torghelle was transferred to PAOK in Greece and handed a three-year contract, being one of the three players that were traded for the transfer of striker Dimitris Salpingidis.

He was also famous for his failure to score even a single goal since he was transferred from Crystal Palace, yet this "curse" was lifted when he scored in a PAOK-Olympiakos derby in early 2007. He left PAOK at the end of the 2006–07 season for 2. Bundesliga team Carl Zeiss Jena. There, he finally met the expectations, scoring eight goals over the course of the 2007–08 2. Bundesliga season. Carl Zeiss Jena finished in last place and was relegated to the new 3. Liga.

FC Augsburg
Torghelle transferred to 2. Bundesliga team FC Augsburg before the start of the 2008–09 season. He played two seasons for the largest team in Swabian Bavaria.

Fortuna Düsseldorf
On 17 May 2010, Torghelle left FC Augsburg and signed with another 2. Bundesliga team Fortuna Düsseldorf.

Budapest Honvéd
Torghelle signed with former club Honvéd in August 2011. That reunion was short-lived and he signed for fellow Hungarian National Championship team Videoton FC in January 2012.

International career
Torghelle made 42 appearances for the Hungary national team. He scored several decisive ones during the 2010 World Cup Qualification campaign, such as against Albania and Malta. He came to prominence after scoring both goals in a 2–0 victory over Germany in a friendly match in 2004.

International

 * Scores and results list Hungary's goal tally first, score column indicates score after each Torghelle goal.

title: Sándor Torghelle


text:
Talk:Polarization (psychology)

Same as Group polarization
This page is not necessary because the content is the same as that of "Group polarization" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wonglokking (talk • contribs) 07:44, 24 April 2006

Merger proposal
Perhaps this article should be merged with one or both of Attitude polarization and Group polarization. What do others think?--Srleffler (talk) 05:08, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Support - A concur that a merge is appropriate. My suggestion would be that group polarization be the destination article for both other articles, mainly due to that being the dominant terminology in the contemporary literature as far as I am aware. Cheers Andrew (talk) 03:37, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi all, I'm a social psych grad student at UCLA planning to take people up on the suggestion to merge with group polarization. Lmgoldst (talk) 17:04, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

 * While I don't object to this merge, I do have some problem with the discussion, as this appeared to have never been posted at the (former) attitude polarisation article (which I am following) so the first thing I noticed of this was the actual merger. For future cases, please make sure all relevant pages are notified (and that notification is active on all those pages at the time of merger). Thanks. Arnoutf (talk) 12:55, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Hi Artnoutf, thanks for your reply. I'm fairly new to the editing world of Wikipedia, so it's entirely possible my approach didn't adhere to protocol! Thanks for letting me know, I'll be more mindful of that in future. However, I believe there was discussion of the merger on the attitude page prior to the merger, as I did check to see if this was proposed on both pages, and I tried to adhere to the Wiki page on how to complete mergers. Still, I'll keep this feedback in mind moving forward.Lmgoldst (talk) 03:28, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Proposing Deletion of Page

 * Hi all, after further consideration and after merging the attitude polarization page into the group polarization article, my conclusion is that this page should be deleted, and readers should be redirected to group polarization page. There is no unique information on this page that isn't better explained in the group polarization page; furthermore, this page has minimal basis in research. As polarization in psychology is almost exclusively discussed in the context of groups and attitudes, I'd argue this page is not helpful or unique. What do others think?Lmgoldst (talk) 03:09, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

title: Talk:Polarization (psychology)


text: Talk:Empire Club of Canada

title: Talk:Empire Club of Canada


text:
Talk:History of rail transportation in the United States

Merger proposal
Please discuss the merger proposal at Talk:History of rail transport in North America. Thanks. Caseyjonz (talk) 06:49, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Cost for passenger rail
It would be good to add a section about costs of passenger rail; for example, fares between major cities at different points in time, compared to mean income or some similar economic indicator.--Theodore Kloba (talk) 11:29, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

New "Historiography" section
The just added new section to this article entitled "Historiography" seems to espouse the distinct POV that railroad history researched and written by "amateurs" and "rail fans" who are "fascinated by the memorabilia, technology and locomotives of the steam era" is of little value to others interested in railroad history whereas that written by "academics" and "professional historians" (who have apparently "lost interest" in the subject) is not. Railroad history is not limited to economics, business, management, corporate matters, etc. I find this position potentially misleading as much of what these "amateur" railroad historians have produced is well researched, verifiable, and provides valuable information on the technology and actual operations of railroads in providing transportation.

It should be noted that the recent contributions by some well known professional academic historians have also proved to be highly flawed as works of railroad history in the US. A prime example of this is Nothing Like It in the World by the late Professor Stephen Ambrose which proved to be rife with errors, poorly researched, and shoddily fact checked/edited. Interestingly the individuals who exposed these faults were "amateur rail fans". If this new article section is to be retained as being an objective view on this subject its contributor (whom I presume is a professional academic historian as opposed to a "rail fan") should provide a more balanced view on this matter and acknowledge the value of dedicated "amateur railroad historians" as well as shortcomings of the work of some of the "professionals" with no particular established personal interest in the subject. Centpacrr (talk) 20:07, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * This section Is based on the argument of Professor Klein who states: The vast bulk of this work is devoted to minute descriptions of power, rolling stock, obscure short lines, and technical subjects.... But few address the larger questions of railroad history or place their topic in broader contexts. Centpacrr seems to agree with this statement--he does not take issue with this statement or with any other statement. His complaint seems to be that Stephen Ambrose made mistakes in one of his many many books. Ambrose is not held in high regard by professional historians, although he did have an academic appointment at a small school. Ambrose churned out a great many popular books On a very wide variety of topics (only one was about railroads.)  Ambrose is never mentioned or cited in this article, so attacks on him have no relevance here. Rjensen (talk) 03:50, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Tons of Freight
By 1880 the nation had 17,800 freight locomotives carrying 23,600 tons of freight, and 22,200 passenger locomotives.

"23,600 tons of freight" is surely too low; is this 23,600 tons per day, or 23,600,000 per year? Tabletop (talk) 09:56, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Might it mean that the locomotives are capable of carrying that much? Maybe it's not supposed to tell us at all how much per time they carried. Mechanic1c (talk) 14:41, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Titles
Is there a reason why the titles with dates all have the sates in parentheses (like (1826–1860)) except for one section, "Civil War and Reconstruction, 1861–1877"? If this is just an inconsistency, it should be rectified. Mechanic1c (talk) 14:40, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on History of rail transport in the United States. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20101121075513/http://conrail.com/history.htm to http://www.conrail.com/history.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 12:13, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on History of rail transport in the United States. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110526092844/http://www.eslarp.uiuc.edu/ibex/archive/vignettes/1877_rr_strike.htm to http://www.eslarp.uiuc.edu/ibex/archive/vignettes/1877_rr_strike.htm
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20091228095931/http://thecrhs.org/CompanyHistory to http://thecrhs.org/CompanyHistory

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 04:42, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Removal of blacklisted link
I have removed the blacklisted link because I can't find a replacement for these link. Agusbou2015 (talk) 23:27, 19 December 2017 (UTC)


text:
Talk:Alkaliphile

This page is being revised by Clemson University Honors College students for a class project under the supervision of Dr. Lesly Temesvari (Username:LTEMESV). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcshepp (talk • contribs) 16:11, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

title: Talk:Alkaliphile


text:
Talk:Labor Zionism

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 1 September 2020 and 22 December 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Riananjara.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 02:04, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Untitled
I'm a member in good standing of Habonim Dror, a labor zionist organization. There should be info on this page about organizations like this. - --68.235.169.11 00:41, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

lead section
The introduction to this article is not encyclopedic, and needs to be rewritten.--Gilabrand 09:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * So... rewrite. What's stopping you? :-) --Zikim 16:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

NPOV
The entire article in present form is anti-Zionist propaganda and fairly inaccurate. Its references are primarily Sternhell who is antagonistic to Zionism, and there are the usual "Ben Gurion quotes" taken out of context and carefully edited to look monstrous.

Many of the statements "facts" and assertions are probably false, including the Hebrew translation of Labor Zionism - which is translated as Socialist Zionism, a slightly different thing. Quoting Sternhell about Labor Zionism is like quoting the Lubavitcher Rabbi about the Qur'an.

The stated goal of Labor Zionism was to create a Jewish proletariat in Palestine and to uphold the dignity of labor as a Jewish national value. It is evident in the writings of Gordon, Ben Gurion and others. Mewnews (talk) 20:34, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Needs more Sources!
I have added the onesource template. The unsigned editor above was correct in stating that the references are primarily Sternhell, an academic who is known to be hostile to Zionism. In particular, I would like to see more discussion of how Labor Zionism is related to Socialism- right now the article, being so greatly swayed by Sternhell's book (which takes the position, as I understand it, that these two things were in fact not related), tends to argue the same position as the book, which is, needless to say, POV. I will do what I can myself when I can. Rudy Breteler (talk) 02:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Clarity
It was, for many years, a significant tendency among Zionists and Zionist organizational structure and the major stream of the Zionist movement. A significant tendency to what?

The "labor Zionism Today" section, the first sentence especially, is unclear. What is the two-state solution a solution for? I shouldn't have to read another article just to find out what 'Labor Zionism' is. I shouldn't have to look at another article to understand this one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.166.31.61 (talk) 20:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

labor or labour?
Do the Jews speak Commonwealth English or American English? WHO do they love more, their former saviours - or - their current ones? YOU DECIDE 81.158.229.42 (talk) 02:16, 24 January 2014 (UTC) 81.158.229.42 (talk) 02:16, 24 January 2014 (UTC) I think that that is a strange argument. As 'labour zionism' is rooted in Europe, it would be logical to use the European/Commonwealth spelling. Bever (talk) 05:26, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Labor Zionism. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://archive.is/20101017220129/http://www.jewishtribune.ca/TribuneV2/201004142880/Albert-Einstein-was-a-political-activist.html/ to http://www.jewishtribune.ca/TribuneV2/201004142880/Albert-Einstein-was-a-political-activist.html/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 04:16, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

NPOV
I strongly feel that the citation Z. Sternhell, 1998, The Founding Myths of Israel, ISBN 0-691-01694-1 is not adhering to Neutral Point of veiw. While an entire section is dependant on it. Is there any other sources that cites the same content? Dheerajmpai23 (talk) 23:30, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Zionism and the Roads Not Taken 1880-1948
— Assignment last updated by Bane117 (talk) 03:46, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Labor Zionism


text:
Talk:Daryl Hall

We are the World? Votes?!
I noticed that a user at 72.129.62.151 added the 1985 fundraising single "We Are The World" to Daryl Hall's solo discogrpahy.

Does "We are the World" belong in Daryl's solo discography?

Yes, Daryl Hall and John Oates were there singing, but they were 2 singers of many (Labled USA for Africa). Besides he was there with John, thus making it Hall & Oates and not Daryl Hall solo (I think the album even attributed their contribution to "Hall & Oates").

I know that Daryl had some solo vocal time in the song too though....

Maybe it needs to be added to the Hall & Oates discography or just as a note in the Hall & Oates section between Big Bam Boom and Live at the Apollo.

So should it be a quick not on the Hall & Oates page? A Hall & Oates discography add? Something else? Thanks, Antmusic 17:36, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Falsetto?
Just wondering how Daryl (and John too, come to think of it!) has been overlooked in the Wikipedia list of Falsetto singers? Can someone please rectify that? Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139.168.114.133 (talk) 06:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC).
 * True, he isn't "always" a falsetto... but does use it (like on "One on One"). So the category "Category:Falsettos|Hall, Daryl" needs to be added - Antmusic 18:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Mention
His high school is Owen J Roberts High School. Could someone add that in there? -Yancyfry

There are places that say 1946 and some say 1949 for Daryl Hall's Birthday. Which is it?
WHICH ONE IS the year of Daryl Hall's birth 1946 or 1949 (please provide an accurate non-internet resource, or an official Daryl Hall webpage)? It keeps getting switched back and forth. Antmusic 17:21, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * More info: Most Internet sources (that aren't Wiki-clones) say October 11, 1946, and I believe it to be true since he recently celebrated his 60th birthday. I asked this question on the Official Hall & Oates message board and the administartor said 1946 is correct.  Maybe Dangerous Dances (the Hall & Oates biography) by Nick Tosches has a date listed. Based on this I am changing his date back to 1946 unless someone can prove otherwise. Antmusic 17:29, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1946 is correct. Jasoned (talk) 02:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * And some say September 25, 1946 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.182.41.136 (talk) 23:58, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Possible source of confusion: Hall = 1946, Oates = 1949. Joeinwap (talk) 07:24, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Also some sources have that his bday is October 11, 1948, also 1946 and 1949. Not heard 1947. Country Girl 15:58, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Daryl Hall backing vocals for INXS
Correct me if i'm wrong, but Daryl Hall did provide a famous backup recording to INXS for the song 'Original Sin', where in the background 'dream on white boy, dream on black girl' his voice can be heard with and without Michaal Hutchence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.130.173.55 (talk) 19:40, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Everytime You Go Away
The article currently says that "Everytime You Go Away" was written by Hall and Oates. However, the credit on the original vinyl LP Voices by Hall and Oates (RCA Records, number AQL1-3646) lists the credit only to "D. Hall." Comments? Famspear (talk) 06:12, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Carly Simon
Why is Carly Simon noted in Background Information -> Associated Acts for both Daryl Hall and John Oates but, no reference is made to Carly Simon within either the Daryl Hall, John Oates or Hall & Oates articles, nor does Carly Simon's article reference Hall & Oates. I think there may have been a tour they did together in 1995, should there be a citation need against Carly Simon in this case? marp (talk) 04:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

 * my understanding- key members of the band were shared- I remember seeing at least t-bone playing bass for CS during a tv special, & there were certainly others.
 * duncanrmi (talk) 10:19, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Blue eyed soul singer
In the intro to this article the term 'blue eyed soul singer' is used. In one of his Live from Daryl's house web casts Daryl specifically mentions that he thinks that term is racist. I tend to agree with him. The color of his eyes or his skin has little to do with his talent or his love for the music he grew up with in Philly. I would like to suggest changing the line to read that he is simply a soul singer. Comments? Thoughts? Suggestions? I can dig up a link to the specific bit of video if anyone wants to see it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.212.61 (talk) 03:52, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Sadly, not having access to the book cited for the referred sentence that has been recently changed: ''Citation #1: Bogdanov, Vladimir (editor). (2003) All music guide to soul: the definitive guide to R&B and soul Hal Leonard Corporation'', I think, if left, it will change the intention of whatever this author meant too much. Surely he did not mean that Daryl is "one of the best singers of his generation" in all categories! We have to give something back to this sentence to narrow it to a type of singer that Daryl Hall actually is. Wikipedia has an entire garden of articles utilizing "blue eyed soul" as a genre for song, artist, band, whatever. However, I will be happy to amend the sentence (at least for now) by inserting "soul" after "one of the best" and after "singers". I think that should fly, as the title of the book used as reference lists R&B and soul as categories.  Fylbecatulous  talk   01:00, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

How is "Hohl" pronounced?
The same as "Hall" or differently? Thanks! - Immigrant laborer (talk) 21:32, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Death of Janna Allen
The Hall & Oates page says "The duo's occasional songwriting collaborator Janna Allen died of leukemia in 1993.

According to interviews with Daryl Hall in the VH1 Behind The Music documentary, (see Hall & Oates Behind The Music), the death of Janna Allen, a close musical collaborator and sister of his longtime girlfriend, affected him very deeply. I think it makes sense to add the previous sentence to the "Personal life" section of this article. Phersh (talk) 03:38, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Lyme disease
The Healthline Interview: Daryl Hall (Healthline is not listed at WP:RSP); also mentioned on The Big Interview with Dan Rather 2015, calls it chronic Lyme disease, could be post-treatment Lyme disease syndrome. Worth a mention? Mapsax (talk) 22:59, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Possible Missing Album
I have just become aware of an album from 1969 called "Keem-O-Sabe" by a group called "The Electric Indian" which has a "Daryl Hall" listed as playing keyboards. I don't actually own the album as of yet so I can't confirm much of anything but maybe someone else will be able to dig up some info on this if I can't get to it. Ehrichweiss (talk) 17:37, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Update: here's the link that suggests he was indeed in the group. https://www.discogs.com/artist/413911-The-Electric-Indian Ehrichweiss (talk) 23:04, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Online Communities
— Assignment last updated by Odelach (talk) 17:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:Daryl Hall


text:
Talk:American Shorthair

Main image change by Lib3rtine
Lib3rtine is currently changing cat images on a number of pages. In the case of the American shorthair image change, I am nuetral. Could people please compare the current image with that in the history and discuss if a revert is desired? LinaMishima 18:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The image that Lib3rtine added to this article is unfortunately restricted to non-commercial use only, which goes against our image use policy. I'm about to delete it. FreplySpang 21:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, I created that image, and it is now public domain. Problem solved. Lib3rtine 22:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * FYI, I selected the wrong box when I originally uploaded it. Thanks! Lib3rtine 22:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, upload it here again then with the correct licence information, then place it and the previous image in here as thumbnails to be discussed. Although it would be nice to say a your image to the article as well, this would set a dangerous precident, sadly :( LinaMishima 00:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Old main image was terrible
I thought this website was supposed to look professional. Why are there such terrible pictures on so many articles? I changed it to a better picture of an american shorthair cat. Go ahead, revert it to the circa-1995 digital camera look of the last picture.

Main cat image
Since the image Lib3rtine replaced the old image with was their own, there could potentially be an aspect of bias in thier opinions. Hence on the left is the lib3rtine's image, and on the right is the old image: Given the {regphoto} tag, I suspect both photos should be present. In which case, which one provides the better example of an American shorthair? LinaMishima 00:23, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Does either one or both images significantly contribute to detailing the American Shorthair breed?
 * Are there any other problems with both of them?
 * Should only one image be used on the article, or both?

 * I think that if you want a photo of good example of the breed you should ask an american shorthair breeder for a photo. For a comparison of fine example of the breed I would check out this link []--88.152.203.175 20:37, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Changed the photo
I was a short-term (2 yrs) American Shorthair breeder, with CFA registered cats. I added photos of 2 of my cats (one a young kitten) to the website. I took both of these photos, one of which, the kitten shot, has been in a pet magazine article featuring the breed.

I hope other people will feel free to add photos and more info if they'd like. This is a rather short article. I'm not that great a writer though. =-)

Courtney

Unclear
I just added to the article. It switches back and forth between American Shorthairs and Domestic Shorthairs without explaining what the relationship is between the two, and what the differences are. It is also unclear which pictures are ASH and which are DSH. If DSH is a different breed, then perhaps it should have its own article. If it's a subset of ASH, like if it's the name for a mixed breed cat with one ASH parent, or a ASH that isn't up to show quality, then that should be explained. It looks like the current version is the result of many edits that added info, corrected info, changed the breed name, etc. but now needs a cleanup for overall clarity. --Icarus (Hi!) 23:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Possible New Image
Here's a possibility of some pictures:

Encyclopedia-style writing
I'm not an expert at writing encyclopedia entries by any stretch, but the following line seems un-encyclopedian: "You probably have seen an example of this striking variety in television and magazine advertising or in recent movie roles." (Line 27 or thereabouts.)

Maybe somebody with more expertise could take a look at it. Isarl (talk) 18:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

European Shorthair the same?
Where is the differece? To me they look the same. --84.56.243.22 (talk) 06:41, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Wrong Cat Photo
The current photo of the cat on the front page of this article is not an American Shorthair; rather appears to be a domestic shorthair (e.g, standard house cat). Someone needs to change the image to a cat that properly represents the breed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.51.38 (talk) 13:59, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. It lacks the breed standard facial characteristics of an American Shorthair. The head is too narrow and the muzzle too long and pointed. The wedge-shaped head is clearly visible in other pictures in the uploader's Flickr photostream. Any breeder or cat show judge would definitively identify this as not a purebred ASH but a mixed breed DSH.--Lewisclark (talk) 03:16, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Broken link
The link to the TICA standard on the sidebar is broken. Could someone with a better knowledge of the TICA website please replace it with a working link? 108.51.211.49 (talk) 03:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed (belatedly). It's unusual for a fix-it request this simply to go unresolved this long; I think a bunch of us assumed it was already done years ago.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:23, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 1 one external link on American Shorthair. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120520135051/http://cfa.org/client/home.aspx to http://www.cfa.org/Client/home.aspx

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 12:58, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Main Cat Image Redux
I think the main image should be a pedigreed version of the American Shorthair classic silver tabby. That is what first comes to mind when I think of the breed. Main image currently is a silver shaded cat, which is a recognized color, but in reality, is quite uncommon. If one was to goto a cat show, you would likely see the class silver tabby, followed by the classic brown tabby.College Watch (talk) 16:06, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Not "my breed", so I can't vouch for these specific claims of what is most representative. But, yes, the main photo should be as representative of codified breed standards and typical in-practice breed appearance as we can muster. That said, there aren't thousands of people watching this page and working on it; some DIY is called for. Have you checked commons.wikimedia.org for additional images?  The regulars over at commons have worked out methods of finding usable (e.g., Creative Commons-licensed) photos on various sites, and may be able to help.  It's not something I personally have much experience with.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:17, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

title: Talk:American Shorthair


text:
Talk:Sebastiane

Person
The interviewee in the Sex and the Censor documentary was actually Derek Jarman himself.

Subtitles?
"The only film made in Britain with English subtitles"...I find this highly unlikely as the must be any number of Welsh language or 'Bollywood' style films made in the UK. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.10.209.178 (talk) 19:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've seen some English films with heavy dialect (such as some of Ken Loach's stuff) and with English subtitles. I'm going to remove the assertion as unsupportable. TheEvilPanda (talk) 04:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Passed by the censors?
Didn't Jarman deliberately send a copy to the UK censors on 16mm, so the scene where a chappy with an erection was not seen in the completed shot due to the restricted frame size. The film was passed as an X but when Sebastiane went on general release it was shown in 35mm therefore the full frame revealed the first engorged male member ever seen on British cinema screens!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.125.136 (talk) 11:21, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I watched this tonight on Netflix and didn't see any such scene. Netflix wouldn't censor that, so there must be more than one version out there, or it's very easy to miss. I didn't see anything homoerotic either, but I was surprised to see the best film probably ever made, and I've seen just about it all, or I thought so. No surprise with Brian Eno and Lindsay Kemp in the credits. Definitely not homoerotica--184.63.132.236 (talk) 08:17, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The film was shown at the Irish Film Theatre in the late 1970s and there were certainly uncensored homoerotic scenes and erections. Indeed, some of the scenes were in slow motion, if I recall correctly, so it might be accurate to say that the on-screen talent was portrayed "lovingly" and "lingeringly" for the benefit of the audience.
 * Perhaps Netflix did not censor the copy you watched, User:184.63.132.236, but a censored copy was certainly shown if you "didn't see anything homoerotic." — O'Dea  (talk) 22:25, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

title: Talk:Sebastiane