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Talk:Appellate court

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Merge?
Any thoughts on why we shouldn't merge this with Appeals court and Court of Appeals? -- PullUpYourSocks 17:55, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * That has been done with respect to appeals court. Court of Appeals remains a separate article, for reasons which seem reasonable if you review the article. Ellsworth 22:42, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

A different merge?
A lot of this information should probably be in Appeal, either instead of or in addition to Appellate court. Surgo 11:04, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

Regarding the article Court of Appeals
Please see my move proposal at Talk:Court of Appeals. --Mathew5000 19:29, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Comparative authority
I'd like to add something to this article about the comparative authority of appellate courts - it is my understanding that in countries like China and Iran, the appellate courts can do basically whatever they want, whereas in most common law and civil law systems their powers of review are substantially more limited. Any thoughts? bd2412 T 18:02, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * As long as it isn't original research. If you can find some book or law review article that actually stands for that proposition, then by all means, go ahead. --Coolcaesar 06:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I was sort of hoping to plumb for anyone with knowledge of such a source. Cheers! bd2412  T 09:56, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

US Appeals court gives legal advice?
In the Roman Polanski rape case, the news is that the justices of the 2nd Circuit here in L.A. are giving advice and suggestions about the handling of Polanski's case, and how he could avoid jail time. Is this proper? Nothing in the article suggests that this is within the job description scope of a U.S. appeals court. JohnClarknew (talk) 21:36, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No, they were discussing hypothetical situations in order to evaluate whether the fugitive disentitlement doctrine applies to him. Appellate judges play devil's advocate all the time at oral argument.  They'll throw out weird hypothetical situations, that is, legal curve balls, just to try to knock an attorney off balance.  The point is to force the advocates to sharpen and refine the exact legal points they're making, which in turn helps the judges figure out what they are supposed to be deciding.  In this case, the handling of Polanski's case is relevant to the fugitive disentitlement doctrine because his lawyers need to convince the judges to allow him some narrow exception to the doctrine based on the alleged misconduct in the lower court.  In turn, the judges need to pose hypotheticals about what Polanski could have or should have done in response to the alleged misconduct, in order to force his lawyers to clarify the exact dimensions of the very narrow exception to fugitive disentitlement which the judges would need to adopt to grant him the relief he seeks.  But it's easy for laypersons and journalists to mistake such hypos for actual advice. --Coolcaesar (talk) 22:55, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, layperson here. This one thought that Courts of Appeal are created for the purpose of appealing the result of a lower court ruling. That is, after a case has gone to trial. Are you saying that the court is open to petitions and oral arguments prior to a trial? A kind of "what if?" game? JohnClarknew (talk) 20:11, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * But if a court dismisses a case before trial, or refuses to hear the case for some reason, then there is no trial and the decision refusing to allow a trial is itself a final adverse judgment that is appealable. For example, a huge number of reported appellate cases today (probably almost two-thirds) are based on the grant of summary judgment to one side or the other, meaning by definition, there is no triable issue of fact as a matter of law.  That is, the plaintiff must be able to present admissible evidence in support of each and every required element of his case.  If the plaintiff, after sufficient time for discovery, can't present such evidence, then there's no need for a trial.  The reason is that during a trial, at the end of plaintiff's case-in-chief, the defense would be able to move successfully for nonsuit or a directed verdict, meaning the case would never go to the jury because there is no issue of disputed factual evidence for them to decide---indeed, there's no evidence at all.  The idea is that if you can't support one element of your case, the rest of it becomes irrelevant.  Each and every element must be supported by factual evidence in the record for a jury's final judgment to be affirmed on appeal.  So why waste a jury's time?  Anyway, after an MSJ is granted, the party denied a trial (usually the plaintiff) then appeals and asks the appellate court to reverse and remand for trial.  If a MSJ is denied, then a case proceeds to trial, and the parties almost always settle on the eve of trial, unless there are millions of dollars at stake that would justify the typical investment of $100,000 (or higher) to put on a show for the jury.
 * In this case, Polanski is appealing the trial court's refusal to hear his case on the merits because of the fugitive disentitlement doctrine. The court issued an adverse ruling basically saying "I'm not going to hear you because you fled the jurisdiction and failed to cooperate with the court," which itself is appealable.  If the Court of Appeal finds some reason for why fugitive disentitlement should not apply and issues a writ of mandate overturning the trial court's ruling, then Polanski can then force the trial court to hear whatever motion or writ he wants to present to challenge his original plea bargain and sentence.  If the Court of Appeal affirms the trial court's ruling, then Polanski can't do anything until he is extradited through the appropriate channels and remanded to the custody of the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation to serve his original sentence.  Once back on California soil, he's under the jurisdiction of the California courts and can, in turn, challenge their jurisdiction over him through a collateral attack, a writ for habeas corpus.  Though even then, that will be extremely difficult because judges are sick and tired of reading frivolous habeas petitions from prisoners who have nothing to do all day but draft frivolous petitions.  --Coolcaesar (talk) 19:17, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. This info is helpful, so I've copied it over to the Polanski discussion page. JohnClarknew (talk) 19:56, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Article does not deal with the subject.
This article should be renamed to the USA Appelate court or something like that, because it only deals with the US judicial system and not a worldwide view of the subject. It is surprising that since the tag was added in 2010, nothing has been done to rectify the problem. I contribute to African related article, some of which were former colonies of Britain, and have the same or similar system to Britain. I am always reluctant to make interlinks to this article, because it is too specific. Take a look at the corresponding French article. Not only is it more inclusive (like many French articles compared to their corresponding English version), it is also short and to the point. Major differences are stubbed with a link to the main article. Perhaps that the way to go rather than writing a book on the USA appeal system.Tamsier (talk) 00:00, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Anyone is free to add information about appellate courts in other countries. The article is far too short, rather than being too long. bd2412  T 03:32, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Appellate court?
How can a court be appellate? A court can hear appeals and work under an appellate jurisdiction. Appellate court sounds as if a court poses appeals or a simplified version of a court of appeal. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 19:02, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

 * Well, that's the jargon that lawyers use. You may have a point that the terminology is a bit confusing, but under WP:NOR, Wikipedia does not lead, it simply follows what's already established.  For better or worse, "appellate" simply means that a court hears appeals, as opposed to hearing evidence or legal argument in the first instance.  --Coolcaesar (talk) 20:32, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

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SR Class 2SL

The Southern Railway (SR) gave the designation 2-SL to the small fleet of electric multiple units dedicated for use on the South London lines. None of these units survived long enough in British Rail ownership to be allocated a TOPS class. In Southern Railway/Region days, they mainly spent their lives as 2-car units on the ex-LBSCR Wimbledon-West Croydon Line (now Croydon Tramway) with head code 2. They were distinctive, because they retained their flat roofs over the driving cabs, where the pantographs were originally situated.

Construction
The 2-SL (2-car South London stock, numbers 1801–1808) units were rebuilt in 1929 from the Driving Motor cars originally used in ex-LBSCR AC electric SL stock. They were intended for use on the South London lines. Originally, these units had some First Class accommodation in the Driving Trailer car, but this was later declassified to Third Class only. The units were numbered 1901–1908 before 1936, when those numbers were reused for new 2-BIL units. At the same time, 4-SUB unit number 1801 was renumbered 1600.

Formations
Initial formations of these units were as follows:

Withdrawal
The majority of these units were withdrawn in 1954, the exceptions being 1802 (in 1951) and 1807 (destroyed in 1940 during a World War II air raid). All were subsequently scrapped.

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Talk:Arraignment

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Bayfield River

The Bayfield River is a river in Huron and Perth Counties in southwestern Ontario, Canada, that empties into Lake Huron at the community of Bayfield in the municipality of Bluewater.

The river and community are named after Henry Wolsey Bayfield who surveyed the area in the early 19th century.

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The river begins just south of the community of Dublin in West Perth, Perth County at the confluence of the Cooke Drain and the Liffey Ditch. The river flows immediately west under Perth County Road 180 and takes in the left tributary McGrath Drain. It continues west northwest taking the left tributary Tyndall Drain and then the right tributary Silver Creek at the community of Egmondville, today part of the community of Seaforth in the municipality of Huron East, Huron County. It continues west northwest and takes in the left tributary Broadfoot Drain, and right tributaries Carnochan Drain and Helgrammite Creek before passing under Ontario Highway 4 between the community Clinton in Central Huron to the north and the community of Vanastra in Huron East, to the south. The river then turns southwest and takes in the right tributary Tricks Creek, heads south and takes in the left tributaries Wiltse Creek and Bannockburn River, and then turns sharply west just north of the community of Varna in Bluewater. It takes in the right tributaries Middletons Creek and Brandt Creek before passing under Ontario Highway 21 and reaching its mouth at Lake Huron in Bayfield.

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Talk:Apollo 8

Rollout
The image shows Apollo 6 with its white service module, not Apollo 8. The launch image correctly shows Apollo 8 with its silver service module. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.8.142.123 (talk) 23:19, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

--- Disregard. I have since seen a close-up of the Apollo 10 rollout and have seen that the SM is covered by a white fabric cover. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.8.142.123 (talk) 07:11, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Present location of the King James Bible or the printed verses
Does anyone know the present location of either the copy of the King James Bible or the paper(s) on which the printed verses appeared that was used by the crew members for their Genesis bible reading? This seems to be a major historical artifact, is it accounted for? Did each crew member have the verses he would read on an index card or something similar, or were they on a single sheet of paper or the actual book as indicated by the pauses between the time the two first readers ended their recital and the next began. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:13, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I know you'll see my response at Talk:Apollo 8 Genesis reading, but for anyone else looking in, it's on exhibit at the Adler Planetarium. I don't know if that's worth mentioning in this more general article, though. TJRC (talk) 16:50, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and thanks for your nice additions at the Apollo 8 Genesis reading page. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:59, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Who was the first person to orbit the Earth and a native of?

 * Yuri Alekseyevich Gagarin (9 March 1934 – 27 March 1968) was a Soviet pilot and cosmonaut who became the first human to journey into outer space. Travelling in the Vostok 1 capsule, Gagarin completed one orbit of Earth on 12 April 1961.The start is wrong in orbiting a celestial body. 80.249.248.9 (talk) 19:08, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The article says the first crewed spacecraft to orbit more than one celestial body Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:30, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

WP:URFA/2020
I am reviewing this very old FA as part of WP:URFA/2020, an effort to determine whether old featured articles still meet the featured article criteria.
 * I have attempted various fixes to deal with the MOS:SANDWICH created by the lengthy infobox and the table in the Framework section, but have not found anything that works. Also, I find the same sandwiching in most of the similar space articles, so a global approach would be better, and I'm not sure what that might be. I wonder if the table of Prime crew and Backup crew are necessary, or if they could be converted to prose to avoid the SANDWICH problem, or if it would be better to move the crew image out of the infobox to a different part of the article, but unsure where. I'd like to get this marked with its third "Satisfactory" at WP:URFA/2020A so it can be Moved to FAR not needed.  Can someone address the sandwiching here and in all the similar articles?  Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  21:40, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Translating to Afrikaans...
Hi there! I am active on the Afrikaans Wikipedia and is busy translating this article. I battle to understand the following sentence: "They would continue to do so until they performed their last mid-course correction, switching to a reference frame based on ideal orientation for the second engine burn they would make in lunar orbit." Especially the last past starting from "on ideal orientation". Can somebody please assist? Best regards. Oesjaar (talk) 17:10, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Better late than never! This is explained in the Apollo 8 Flight Journal at 072:00:26: "The current alignment of the platform was meant to match the spacecraft's prograde attitude for this burn when it was calculated such that the burn attitude would be 0°, 180°, 0°. This is to make it easier to monitor the attitude during what is an especially critical burn." -- John of Reading (talk) 09:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Marriages
It is also the only crew whose members never divorced. 73.151.67.233 (talk) 07:44, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Andrei Tarkovsky

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Did Tarkovsky not die in 1986? Ashik-Kerib of 1988 is a tribute to his death.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.87.98.137 (talk) 20:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Date of death
Many Russian sources (google Андрей Тарковский родился) and German version point to December 29. --EugeneZelenko 03:43, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I've heard of the uncertanity around the date of Tarkovsky's death before. Someone recently edited it from December 28 to December 29. Searching for "tarkovsky december 28" and "tarkovsky december 29" in Google (without the quotation marks) nearly gives an equal number of results. Any ideas? If we do not know for sure, the article should at least say so. --JonasRH 15:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems to be uncertain, one reliable book on Tarkovsky says that he died in the night of the 28th to the 29th. On the other side, on the grave stone (see the picture in the article) it is clearly the 29th. So I take this as the official death date. Dassiebtekreuz (talk) 01:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Tarkovsky template
I've put together a Tarkovsky template at User:Staecker/Template:Tarkovsky. It looks like:

Any comments before I stick in on the pages? Feel free to change it around if you have ideas. Staecker 18:29, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No objections, so I'm putting it in. Staecker 18:04, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Concentrate
Does anyone know why Concentrate is no longer listed at imdb? Estrose 23:55, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I was curious about this, so I sent them a message asking about it. But it might be related to this: http://ucalgary.ca/~tstronds/nostalghia.com/TheTopics/Marina_and_Alexandr.html (the script was never shot, a documentary was made but A.T/M.T didn't like how it turned out/was manipulated, so they didn't want to be credited?) 0cm 22:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Concentrate (screenplay) was never-filmed and exists only as a screenplay, see the interview in the link above. Fragments of Concentrate were filmed many years later for a documentary. Dassiebtekreuz (talk) 14:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Tarkovsky and Russia: Exile
The article says that Tarkovsky chose not to return to Russia in the final stage of his life. I don't think this is true. He was told by the Soviet authorities that he could not return while he was making Nostalgia. This forced rather than voluntary exile caused him immense pain as he was unable to see his family who were unable to leave the USSR. He also dearly loved Russia - as the movie Nostalgia shows - and talked himself about how the theme of that film - the yearning in the Russian heart for the homeland - suddenly became the central experience of his life while he was making it. The grief Tarkovsky felt about being cut off from home and family was immense. He didn't (and wouldn't have) voluntarily chosen never to see his loved ones again. ThePeg 2006
 * As I've read it, he was declared a "non-person", which might sound strange today, but in those days, not so much! But he also said at some point that he didn't want to return to his homeland now that they were ready to welcome him (he won the Lenin Prize in 1990, posthumously). My view is that he was bitter and hurt about the whole thing. I'm not sure about his family, did he have a big family to begin with (I know he grew up with his grandmother, mother and sister as his father abandoned them -- I've added a link that might be useful about this, I didn't recall if his son had joined him, so I guess that's a big issue!)? This article could use more info, but I'm almost afraid to touch it! XD 0cm 22:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * According to booklet to the Czech edition of Nostalghia, there were two reasons of Tarkovsky emigrating in 1984, (1) the intrigues of S. F. Bondarcuk against Nostalgia at Cannes 1983, and (2) the wish of his wife Larissa to stay abroad. He tried to get an official permission from Russian authorities for three year's stay abroad, but it was declined. 147.231.160.228 (talk) 10:17, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It is not true that Tarkovsky's wife would join him in 1986 in Paris, she was with him all the time, it was his son and "grandmother" (his mother? Larisa's mother?) who were allowed abroad in fall 1986. 147.231.160.228 (talk) 10:17, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Friendship with Sergei Parajanov
Maybe something could be added about his relationship with other filmmakers? Parajanov, for example, considered Tarkovsky a close friend and dedicated his last film to him (Ashik Kerib). Esn 08:53, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Failed GA
Intro should summarize the article better, one FU image has no FUR rationale, entire sections don't have a ref. Sumoeagle179 (talk) 20:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Copy
This article appears to be primarily written by someone whose English is not their first language. Thus there's some curious word usage, some errors, and parts are hard to comprehend. It needs rewriting. Also, there's some gaps in the timeline. Some sections make no logical sense, since there's missing information. It is unclear why he ended up in Italy, or whether or not he defected -- just as one example.

The whole article needs further attention from an English speaking expert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.239.195 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 20 April 2008
 * He defected without making any official statemnet, but simply refused to return to the Soviet Union. He tried to stay away from politics and media to avoid risk of being attacked by the Soviets, and he knew what he was doing. He chose Europe, because he was censored several times during his career in the Soviet system, so he defected in pursuit of artistic and personal freedom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.166.33.223 (talk) 23:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Greatest Director
Ingmar Bergman famously said, in admiration of Tarkovsky, “Tarkovsky for me is the greatest [of us all], the one who invented a new language, true to the nature of film, as it captures life as a reflection, life as a dream”. "The Solaris Effect" is that one can barely make any art, film or otherwise, without being influenced by Tarkovsky. What is the best place for this info in the article? EricDiesel (talk) 16:44, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As "The Solaris Effect" is a rather extrordinary claim I am not sure whether it should be included at all. Sure Tarkovsky was very important and very influential, but really, one can barely make any art, film or otherwise without Tarkovsky, that seems a little bit to strong. There could be a section on the influence Tarkovsky had, but I would not give to much weight to the Solaris effect, and concentrate more on the concrete influence he had on directors. Alexander Sokurov for example. Голубое сало/Blue Salo (talk) 16:58, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I gotta go give a lecture, so if you can hold off on deletes for a few hours, it would be great.

 * I will stick the Bergman quote in the existing section, recommend the Dillon book to you (I was using the expression "Solaris Effect" back in 1984), and hold off on putting the expression back in.
 * I will also work up some stuff on the social and political effects of Tarkovsky. If you look at the first few seconds of My Name is Ivan, or Ivan's childhood (a koo koo sound over the Soviet hammer and sickle icon), the big name actors en masse digging ditches in Andre Rublev, or think about what the beurocrat next to the rack of booze criticizing Burton for wasting funds on "just filming clouds", and realize who it is supposed to be (Brezhnev), you may understand why Tarkovsky is moe of the most daring of artists, unrelated to his skills as a film director.
 * I will take your suggestoin about Sokurov to heart. Wouldn't mind seeing some of his stuff on the big screen.  LACMA just screened bondarchuk's eight hour War and Peace (must be on a big screen to view, same as tarkovsky) three times in six screeings, and I noticed the same individual audience members filled the house at each screening.
 * I am new, so your sugestions would be helpful. EricDiesel (talk) 17:13, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Ok, I see your point. So far there is no section on the influence Tarkovsky had on other filmmaker so we should surely add something. But we should also avoid giving to much weight to a single author, what your previous insertion did. I probably overreacted a little bit, the problem is that unfortunately it is quite common on Wikipedia for people to insert links to their favourite author into articles, without any regard for the article itself or the notability of the author.
 * Going over your Place in history section, there were several problems. The section title Place in history could be more neutral, something like "Influence on other film makers" would be much more appropriate.
 * Then "Tarkovsky is regarded by many as the greatest film maker of all time." should read "is widely considered as one of the greatest film makers of all time" - I guess one can say the latter for sure, but with the former it is less clear. Maybe Orson Welles or Ingmar Bergman or Jean Renoir or John Ford were greater.
 * "Ingmar Bergman said, Tarkovsky for me is the greatest [of us all], the one who invented a new language, true to the nature of film, as it captures life as a reflection, life as a dream” - quotes with a solid citation are good, but we should provide some context, especially here as Tarkovsky and Bergman have met several times.
 * "Professor and film historian Steven Dillon, in his book The Solaris Effect: Art & Artifice in Contemporary American Film, argues convincingly that all subsequent film was deeply influenced by the films of Tarkovsky." No need to refer specifically to his book, something like "film historian Steven Dillon claims that..." would suffice. Avoid words such as convincingly as it is rather judgemental. Also the claim that "subsequent film was deeply influenced" is a very strong claim, one should provide some context.
 * Having said, Steven Dillons Solaris Effect could be a valuable addition to the article, but other additions are more important, that is a dicussion of the concrete influence Tarkovsky had on filmmakers such as Sokurov, Bergman, Marker and so on. I guess Steven Dillons book provides plenty of references of his influence. So these are my thoughts, bascially all we need is to respect a Neutral point of view. Other than that, great if you could continue to contribute to this article. Голубое сало/Blue Salo (talk) 18:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was surprised that there was no "influence of Tarkovsky on other stuff" section. Of course, this section would be a bottomless pit.  In fact, he was so influential I wouldn't be surprised if Tarkovsky had an influence on stuff made before Tarkovsky was born (just kidding... but not exagerrating).  I will get on it.  Mind if I create an empty section header for editors to contribute under?  EricDiesel (talk) 22:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You are correct in every respect regarding my conrib. On this topic, I got used to having 500 people forced to sit helplessly in front of me, while I pontificated for an hour or more, before a four hour film.  I am usually more careful with sources when I write.  I also redirected "the Solaris Effect" to Dillon's page, until I can dig up some stuff from the 1980's.  I actually gave a talk entitled "The Solaris Effect" in about 1986-89 time period (I only remember the time because an audience member said I used the expression wrong, took over the lecture, and did a great job. He was Russian and also mentioned how fax machines were undermining Gobachev, so I am dating the talk by that comment.  I can't imagine anything more fun than interactively contributing to a Tarkovsky article.  I had volumes of lecture notes with sources, but my library and all of my papers burned down in the Santa Cruz Mountain fire last May... so I get to have all the fun over again. EricDiesel (talk) 23:16, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Read the footnotes about his origin. Even Dagestanis do not clialm that the family of T. that T. was of Dagestanian descent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.197.243.189 (talk) 21:58, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

 * I respectfully disagree. In Russia this is a wellknown fact, and is widely cited in the literature on Tarkovsky, Furthermore, this ancestry is important for understanding why both Tarkovsky and his father Arseny studied Arabic, something very unusual to study for students in the Soviet Union. One should be careful here not to fall for the propaganda of some Russian nationalists who claim Tarkovsky as one of their own. In the end that is not the question anyway, as Tarkovsky was both Russian and Dagestani, and what matters is that he was a great artist who drew inspiration from many sources. And Tarkovksy himself was quite frank about this fact, in one interview with Cahier cinema, for example, he at length explained his family history and stated that his decision to study Arabic was influenced by his ancestry. Not sure about the year this interview was published. I remember the interview was conducted shortly before his death, but not sure about the publication date. Probably shortly afterwards, that is in 1986. 75.5.220.57 (talk) 05:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

State of the article
It is a shame that this great director has an article that lacks so much details. We should in particular include a section on his filming philosophy and style. His book Sculpting in Time is an excellent source. I will add more details, time permitting, but all help is appreciated. 75.5.220.57 (talk) 17:53, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The article does not leave one with the flavor of Tarkovsky. It does not distinguish his style enough to be able to differentiate him from any other common "great" director. PPdd (talk) 03:08, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Suspect symbolism
I came across these two suspect lines
 * "Water, clouds, and reflections were used by him for its surreal beauty and photogenic value, as well as its symbolism, such as waves or the form of brooks or running water.[22]"(the source provided mentions nothing about symbolism).

 * "Bells and candles are also frequent symbols. These are symbols of film, sight and sound, and Tarkovsky's film frequently has themes of self reflection"

This is in stark contrast to what Tarkovsky himself said about his films;
 * "We can express our feelings regarding the world around us either by poetic or by descriptive means. I prefer to express myself metaphorically. Let me stress: metaphorically, not symbolically. A symbol contains within itself a definite meaning, certain intellectual formula, while metaphor is an image. An image possessing the same distinguishing features as the world it represents. An image — as opposed to a symbol — is indefinite in meaning. One cannot speak of the infinite world by applying tools that are definite and finite. We can analyse the formula that constitutes a symbol, while metaphor is a being-within-itself, it's a monomial. It falls apart at any attempt of touching it" http://people.ucalgary.ca/~tstronds/nostalghia.com/TheTopics/Symbols.html

I feel that the mention of symbols should be removed and the sentences be reworked to better reflect Tarkovsky's own veiws. But I want to know what other people feel about this or if they got any objections to my proposal before I change thing.FSAB (talk) 12:29, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Camera witin a camera, Tarkovsky mistrust of Nykvist cf Yusev
I read in two NRS revival theater film notes (one might have been at Pacific Film Archive) that Tarkovsky did not trust Nykvyst and had a camera within a camera built to monitor him. I put this in the article without RS. If it is not correct, please revert my edit, and if it is correct, please add RS for it. PPdd (talk) 17:50, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Concentrate (screenplay)
The film is not notable on its own. JDDJS (talk) 01:53, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I think this is worth considering, as well as with Hoffmanniana. For that matter, we could also name other projects Tarkovsky was thinking about, such as the Temptation of St. Anthony. TarkovskyFanX957 (talk) 18:28, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Hoffmanniana
The film is not notable on its own. JDDJS (talk) 01:56, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

question
should i watch the tarkovsky films with the subtitles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:152:4300:C015:DC9D:CC6:F446:EAB5 (talk) 16:04, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

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"ideated"
We read that the inscription on his tombstone was "ideated" by his wife. Although I now find that the word does in fact exist, I had never come across it in my life before - I am a 66-year-old, fairly well-read native English-speaker - and to me it looks and sounds like a mistranslation from another language! Perhaps replace it with a more everyday, readily understood phrase such as "conceived" or "thought up"?
 * Fixed. Well, you could have do it yourself. Btw, we have a strategy to implant such "easter egg" words into articles to recruit possible editors. No such user (talk) 20:56, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

City Lights is not a silent film
Under Influences it says: "With the exception of City Lights, the list does not contain any films of the early silent era." But City Lights, being a sync-sound film from 1931, is technically not a silent film despite its lack of spoken dialogue, and especially is not one from the early silent era which I would say ended before the '20s at the very latest. Unless it means more like "early, silent" era rather than "early-silent" era. Even so, it is not a Silent film in the very strictest sense as it has sound. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.93.8.2 (talk) 15:59, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Can't seem to find Tarkovsky's remarks on Terminator
The source is "Мир и фильмы Андрея Тарковского. Сост. А. Сандлер. [Andey Tarkovsky's world and films] (in Russian). Moscow: Iskusstvo (Искусство). 1990. ISBN 978-81-7046-083-1." First, the book seems to have been published in 1991, not 1990. (https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/3853440/; 1991 is also the year indicated on the book itself). But even putting that aside, the source does not refer to the exact page and I was unable to find even the mention of Terminator anywhere in the book. Can somebody verify this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marovaso (talk • contribs) 17:52, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I found a copy of the book (also 1991), there is nothing about The Terminator in it. His diaries also don't mention the movie or Cameron. I also failed to find the quoted passage in Russian (except for a 2019 publication which is obviously a translation from English). AveTory (talk) 18:30, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That is srange. You would think that someone would have quoted the Russian original by now. I was also unable to find the quote anytime earlier than 2009 and it seeme likely that Wikipedia article itself was the source. I am not saying that Tarkovsky was a snob or anything, but his warm-hearted words about Terminator seem kind of peculiar as it does not seem he would even have any interest in watching what was initially regarded as a pulpy, low-budget B-movie (just my assumption, perhaps I am wrong, I don't know). The first Terminator was not even that big of a hit, grossing only 38 million in NA. Anyway, I think a more valid source is in order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marovaso (talk • contribs) 05:07, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, Tarkovsky watched all kind of movies, including mainstream and B-movies (he even mentions Zombi 2 in his diaries which he hated, of course). His thoughts on The Terminator could've been originally published in a foreign paper and only then translated into Russian, but I can't trace neither the Russian nor English source. AveTory (talk) 11:24, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

"Сознание (intellekt) - зеркало (mirror) отражающее законы (low) объективного Мира (teality)". Ленин.
Может ли неразбитое зеркало "изобразить" так как если разбитое ?

В фильме были кадры где учитель и пацан с гранатой. Весь фильм о "зеркале". Наверное минут через 15 нас от полного зала осталось меньше десятка человек.. Я вышел пораньше штобы увидеть лица всех кто мог остатьця. Ничего в них я не увидел.

Сейчас говорят о каком-то "ИИ". Штаты молчат. Может и у них пока нет чем могли бы похвалитьця. А может што все помалкивают .. Во-избежание.. Дали "АСИМО" мотоциклетному заводу для удивлений толп..

Реально - мы сами не поймём как обезьяны не мы. Фантастики с чипами в голове. Робот-полицейский. Робот и полицейский связанные одной цепью.. Не очень получаетця или ца ..

Есть какие-то надежды с NASA, c LAC, c RadioAstron.. Нужен 3D-computer. Алфёров незадолго до смерти сказал о проблемах. Я тоже согласен што работы - на мноогие годы. Век будет што час. Мне так видитца. Просто потомушто 3D-мозга нет. Наши нервные реакции быстры насколько быстры химические реакции как работы так и восстановления сил. А скорость ответных электромагнитных реакций электронов в антеннах и схемах смартфонов ? Вы сможете также быстро нарисовать галерею художественных полотен в режиме video ?? )))

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Larisa Tarkovskaya
I recently created a page for Larisa Tarkovskaya, the second wife of Tarkovsky. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 02:48, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Tarkovsky a Russian film director and screenwriter?
Comment in the article's lead says:

Shouldn't that be changed to "Soviet" instead?

Russian-language article categorises Tarkovsky as "Soviet" ("Андре́й Арсе́ньевич Тарко́вский — советский режиссёр театра и кино, сценарист...").

I realise that Tarkovsky spent last 7 years of his life in exile outside of the Soviet Union - but even in his own words he didn't want to be regarded as a dissident ("I am not a Soviet dissident, I have no conflict with the Soviet Government"), so I doubt he'd have ever gone as far as claiming himself to be "Russian". By the time of his death (December 1986) his nationality could never have been specified as Russian in any document - yes, there was Russian SFSR and one's ethnicity could have been listed as "Russian" in their Soviet passport, but nationality remained still "Soviet". And looking at categorisation of other Soviet dissidents like Andrei Sakharov - their nationality is given as "Soviet". Shouldn't the same be done for Tarkovsky, if only for consistency's sake? 🤔

Szagory (talk) 20:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

 * After several days without any replies to this topic originally posted by me, I assume that there are no objections to changing Tarkovsky's nationality in the article to "Soviet". Plus, as further evidence of Tarkovsky himself considering his nationality to be Soviet and not Russian: his personal registration card from August 1985 with Italian Ministry of Interior clearly listed his nationality as "Soviet" (and had he considered himself to be Russian, he would have presumably requested the Italian authorities not to treat him as Soviet).
 * [[File:Scheda personale di registrazione di Andrei Tarkowski.jpg]]
 * 👉 So I propose to amend the article's text in its WP:Lead to read that Tarkovsky was a Soviet film director - and to add to the text at that place in the article an explanatory footnote saying that Tarkovsky's ethnicity was Russian (although his earliest known ancestor on the paternal side was Polish, Mateusz Tarkowski, and his paternal grandmother was Romanian), but his nationality was Soviet.
 * If anybody has any objections, could you please post a reply to this topic in the next couple of days? Thanks.
 * Szagory (talk) 22:07, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Szagory, thank you indeed for providing those information and sorry for both sloppily and ignorantly insisting on calling Tarkovsky (simply) "a Russian ..."; I was the one who . However, I think we should call him "a Soviet ... of Russian origin" in the first sentence cuz I did discover >10 reliable sources that have called him a "Russian filmmaker/director/auteur", and being such was important to his identity per reviews of Andrei Rublev on Douban (written in Chinese). Actually, I haven't seen any of his films, and the reviews I've just provided are user-generated (but probably useful).
 * Regards, Thedarkknightli (talk) 18:35, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Wotcher Thedarkknightli,
 * I know what you're getting at, what with Tarkovsky being born in the Russian part of Soviet Union and with his ethnicity being dominantly Russian (my own parents were and are pretty much like that, being 1/3 Russian and 1/3 Ukrainian, they always thought of themselves as "Soviet" when USSR still existed and think themselves "Russian" nowadays). And I remember myself what it was like for people of mostly European ancestry in the Soviet Union (I was 13 when USSR started breaking up), everybody would say that they were first "Soviet" and then "Russian". 😉
 * But calling Tarkovsky "Soviet of Russian origin", that sounds a bit ... off, somehow not right. It would make more sense if Soviet Union had formed as a result of Russia's breaking up - not the other way around. I mean, Tarkovsky died before the breakup of USSR, he didn't even know "Russia" as something separated from Soviet Union... I've never heard of anybody from Soviet Union being described as "of Russian origin". But my biggest demurrer would be: we know for a fact that his ethnicity was mixed Russian/Polish/Romanian (although undoubtedly it was predominately Russian). And putting something like "Soviet of predominately Russian ethnicity" would also sound lame and unusual (although factually correct), wouldn't it? 🤔
 * P.S. I remember watching his Stalker during Soviet times and I know that it left deep marks on my subconscious - but in general, I'm not a big fan of slow cinema. Tried watching it recently and it's just not my thing, To be honest, I haven't been able to find a film to my liking made before 2000. 😎🎦
 * Have a good one, mate!
 * Szagory (talk) 22:05, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Szagory: well, I'd argue Tarkovsky's Polish and Romanian ancestry isn't that important to his notability (although well-sourced in the article) cuz most English-language (reliable) sources have never even mentioned it (MOS:NATIONALITY says, "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability") and, tbh, I don't find "Soviet ... of Russian origin" "lame" or "unusual" cuz it has (almost) the same structure as the lead sentences of Dmitri Ivanenko (Soviet ... of Ukrainian origin), Nikolai Amosov (Soviet and Ukrainian ... of Russian origin), Aleksandr Nikolayev (Soviet ... of Russian origin), Alia Bhatt (British ... of Indian descent)—a good article—Ivan Bagramyan (Soviet ... of Armenian origin), a featured article, etc. Thanks for your timely reply, though. Thedarkknightli (talk) 04:19, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Howzit Thedarkknightli,
 * Alright, going by those analogies - you've made your point well. As it's your idea and you're the one pushing for it, it's only right and proper that you go ahead and make this change. 👍
 * "Of Russian descent" would sound like denoting ethnicity only, whilst "of Russian origin" would have additional ring of geographical provenance to it (and both would be applicable here) - so I'll leave it to you to decide which would sound better here. And the EFN (explanatory footnote) which I originally placed in the article will serve well for factual clarification of Tarkovsky's descent being mixed, of his origin and of his nationality. 😎
 * Perhaps just as proposal of format: something like "Tarkovsky was Soviet (of Russian origin) film director and screenwriter"? Putting your addition after "film director and writer" would break the flow a little, I think...
 * Thanks for your time and for your suggestion, too - and have a nice day,
 * Szagory (talk) 14:20, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thedarkknightli (talk) 16:17, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Thedarkknightli,
 * I've moved my EFN (and I've taken the liberty of moving your comment) back to original place after word "Soviet". Unlike references, footnotes are expected to appear in the text (not after punctuation marks, like the case would be with references). With footnote placed after full stop mark, it gets completely obscured by the reference at the end of the sentence (and who ever bothers to read or check the text of a reference?). But most importantly: my footnote and your comment apply specifically to Tarkovsky's nationality ("Soviet"), not to his being "of Russian origin".
 * It looks better now and the text now makes perfect sense, with my footnote and your comment and everything else. Hope you don't mind, mate. 😉
 * Good night,
 * Szagory (talk) 22:22, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

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Billing Abel
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Abel
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Hebrew transliteration
so the article says "Hebrew: הֶבֶל Hébel," but there's no degesh in the Bet. Should it not be "Hevel?" 108.26.177.192 (talk) 03:19, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Should Cain and Abel be merged into Cain and Abel?
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Judd
Please have a look at the hidden note in my last edit. If the relevant Judd is on the disambiguation page, please re-instate the link. Deano 16:54, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Messy para
Can someone sort this para out? I tried editing it but gave up because I didn't know what the contributor was saying. So, for the moment. I've taken it out of the article.

''However, in May of 2000 the US Food & Drug Administration explicitedly stated in writing that this non Generally Recoginzed As Safe natural health food sweetener was mis branded, mis labeled and not in compliance with code of Federal Regulation Standard for ingredient identity in the USA and indeed refined high fructose hydrolyzed inulin syrup. Many major users of agave syrups or nectars or juices ceased using it as a result. Hydrolyzed high fructose inulin sweeteners (70 to 90 DE) are metabolized in the human Kreb Cycle to fat (adipose tissue) and triglycerides (LDL or bad cholesterol inducing)''.

Thanks - Adrian Pingstone 09:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Aloe bloom plant labeled as Agave in bloom?
Removed the 3rd image, which was of an aloe plant in bloom, but labeled as an agave plant in bloom. Obvious error, and seeing as how the 2 plants look nothing alike, it is hard to believe it passed this long. This was the link :

HaeSuse 10:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

 * No, the image is misnamed, or it's a very strangely mutated aloe :-) - what aloe has multi-meter flowering stems with the flowers in panicles? The confusion is probably as aloe explains, that Agave americana often called an aloe (and indeed the appearance of the panicles is a pretty good match for A. americana. Stan 19:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Changes
I don't think moving all the images into a gallery is an improvement, nor is deleting text about the best-known species without moving it to its article, but I'm willing to entertain discussion before reverting. Stan 21:24, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi Stan, the pictures are easier to find in the gallery (which can also include pictures of common cultivars etc). It is unpleasant to have to scroll down the very long list of species (again, in my opinion) in order to find a picture that may or may not be next to the name of that species. It's also difficult to house pictures of a larger number of Agave species in said listing - thus my preference for it. I disagree re: the best known species - certainly in Australia the most commonly grown species is Agave attenuata - though I think perhaps it would be best to include links to these common species in the introductory ramble. Thoughts? MidgleyDJ 21:35, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I added the three most commonly grown species (in Australia - I cant speak for elsewhere) to the preamble (americana, angustifolia & attenuata). Hopefully that helps your concerns Stan re: linking to the most commonly grown species. I've also added new pictures of cultivars and species to the gallery section - which given the length of the listing of species I still think is the tidier option. MidgleyDJ 22:00, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

 * To me the purpose of pictures alongside the species list is more as a sample of the variation (and to fill up blank space :-) ), rather than a search mechanism - we have quite a few agave pictures in all (I just added about ten more to commons just a couple days ago for example), and a useful visual index is going to need to be much much bigger than the handful of images that have found their way into this article. On species descriptions, if A. attenuata is common in Oz, then it deserves a sentence or two of description here too, enough to interest readers in following the link. Full species list is good for completeness, but they don't help the reader distinguish what is found in every backyard from the obscure endemic that hasn't had three words written about it since it was described :-), so (IMHO) genus articles should have a section prior that highlights the most interesting species, at least mentioning why they are the most notable. Stan 22:03, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

 * You know, that species list is about at the breakeven point for separating into its own page. Stan 22:06, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Separation of the list sounds like a good idea to me. I'm in the process of creating a "commonly grown species" section (daggy name, I know) MidgleyDJ 22:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

 * There is a possibility that at least one species of Agave is not truly semelparous (see Secrets of the Sonoran Desert, 1997, Finley-Holiday Film Corp.)Minkman5052 16:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minkman5052 (talk • contribs)

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I've noticed that this has no mention of this being used in alcohol fermentation see wik on beer if someone wants to write about it 220.101.4.140 (talk) 14:47, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Tequ
I've removed the term "tequ plants" from the A. americana section. This was the first mention of that common name, and I wonder if it applies to A. tequilana rather that A. americana. Nadiatalent (talk) 23:32, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Reliable source
In response to a "citation required" tag, User:Tony mendoza has added a reference to Botany in a Day by Thomas J Elpel, Hops Press. It's probably ok to show that agave tea is taken with the purpose of relieving arthritis, but in generally this book is very out of date as to botanical families (e.g. this page doesn't correspond to modern views of the Liliaceae). Peter coxhead (talk) 10:51, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

FYI
I have removed the following quote, because it is not contained in the cited sources:
 * Agave is used in the mass production of lubricant for use with commercial trolley units. The water-soluble carbohydrates and fructan structure patterns of agave sap result in a low coefficient of friction with little additional processing. It has seen particularly wide adoption in Mexico where it is relatively cheap to produce.

Is agave really used in lubrication? A quick couple Google searches suggests no, but this article notes that agave fibers exhibit "self-lubrication"—they slide well. Is that what the IP meant? Bernanke's Crossbow (talk) 23:08, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Agave in Europe in 4th century BCE
This source: twice mentions that a mixture of agave leaves and pitch was used in the construction of the hull of a fourth century BCE ship. Implausible claims need strong evidence, and there is no information on how it was decided that the leaves were of an agave. Identifying leaves this old would not be a trivial matter. Agaves were exclusively found in the Americas until Europeans arrived. So I'm not inclined to add the information to the article unless there are other more detailed sources. Archaeological articles are not reliable sources of botanical information.

There's no mention of agave in this more detailed report.

My guess is that the fibres are from some species of aloe; Aloe vera can be used as a source of fibre, for example. But this is speculation. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:43, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

 * In 2001 Steffy stated that the samples were identified as agave by biologists from Kew Gardens in England. Geneva11 (talk) 22:04, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, the 1972 report that is indicated as being more detailed is actually a much less detailed report than the Steffy article (number of pages is an easy indicator but also the level of detail and breadth of description is greater in practically every regard).Geneva11 (talk) 22:30, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, on looking again, you are right re the reports.
 * The Sorenson & Johannessen book expresses what appears to be a WP:FRINGE view on trade between the Old and New Worlds before Columbus et al. I'd like to see a Kew authored publication saying that the plant was identified as an agave.
 * I'll post at WT:PLANTS to see if there's anyone with more knowledge around. Peter coxhead (talk) 07:29, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The Sorenson and Johannessen book was only used for clarification of Steffy's analysis. The book contains a written communication from Steffy on April 18, 2001 where Steffy states that "the first samples were identified in Kew Gardens in England. A second set was done later in the U.S. with the same results, but I can't remember which lab did it. ... I am a ship construction specialist, not a biologist, so I can only repeat the information given to me in such cases."  The point is that it was an analysis by biologists, not archaeologists.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geneva11 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * This book says it was independently identified by experts from Kew, the US Dept. Agriculture, and a third specialist, but the citation is not available in the preview. I would imagine the state of the leaves was poor and any such identifications were best guesses based purely on limited characteristics. Probably insufficent to support the existence of Atlantis.  Jts1882 | talk 09:10, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

 * I would agree to the removal (I have just removed the edits on the lead of cashew as well) as these are essentially claims by a very small number of authors with a number of citations to themselves. Having seen the Sorensen paper and subsequent claims associated with Pre-Columbian Indian contact with the New World I can say that the evidence is rather weak for all the identifications made from carvings etc. (I have a whole bunch of images of the purported maize carvings from an Indian temple - File:Halebid_Muktaphala_1.jpg, ..., File:Halebid_Muktaphala_19.jpg) The issue is the same with cashew and Annona squamosa - the visual resemblance is weak - unfortunately there is a strong wave of nationalism that rides on such hypotheses. Shyamal (talk) 08:49, 14 August 2019 (UTC) [PS: this new edit can definitely be added to the article at Pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact theories ]

 * I think you missed ehe iUniverse bit - the book is self-published. Another editor removed it from Pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact theories a few hours ago. Doug Weller  talk 07:41, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh well, am I glad to hear! I learned in the meantime that John L. Sorenson's "research" was essentially aimed at propping up something about the beliefs of the Mormon church, needless to say, to which he proudly belonged. Shyamal (talk) 08:37, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Description may not be correct
The Description section probably needs to be updated to take account of the inclusion of Manfreda and Polianthes, among others. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:56, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

And the images (e.g. the gallery) should include species formerly placed in now included genera. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:58, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

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Papiemento
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Population by nationality?
This seems stupid considering there are of dutch antilleans and dutch from the mainland, and no distinction is made. These groups often have different views on things, and have a unique cultures. Many antilleans would in general probably be a bit weirded out being called Dutch. I think it should be edited to include ethnicities rather than nationalities. DirkjanenBert (talk) 23:58, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

 * Hello DirkjanenBert, I appreciate your perspective on including ethnicities in the population categorization. It's important to note that census data often categorizes individuals by nationality rather than ethnicity. This distinction aligns with legal and political affiliations, providing valuable information about the composition of the population based on citizenship. While recognizing the diversity within national groups is crucial, census data typically follows the nationality framework. If there are specific ethnic breakdowns available, it might be beneficial to include that information separately. Let's ensure the accuracy of the data while respecting the census methodology. Thank you for your input! Kallmemel (talk) 14:03, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand your point, but often this has not been the case in many major articles, for example, the wikipedia article of America’s ethnicity/nationality tab shows groups such as “white, black, east asian” and the sort, this is too simple, but its not nationality based. Nearby Suriname shows ethnicities in alot more detail. Even the Netherlands itself does this. In all of Russia’s provinces you can immediately see all ethnicities. so just to summarize, many articles use ethnicities for their census part, even provincial or grouping based ones, while I haven’t really seen any that use nationalities in the beginning of the article. DirkjanenBert (talk) 00:26, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for expanding on your viewpoint. I understand your perspective regarding the approach taken in other articles, like those discussing America's ethnicity/nationality tab, the neighboring countries of Suriname, and Russia's provinces. It's intriguing to observe the variations in how different regions and countries present census information. This observation prompts consideration of societal issues these countries may grapple with, reflected in the recording methods of their censuses.
 * Regarding the Netherlands, while I'm uncertain if they also fall under this method of categorization (for example, white or black), I can provide an example of how the Bureau of Statistics in the Netherlands records people based on their country of origin: How many residents have a foreign country of origin?. Kallmemel (talk) 11:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thats in the Netherlands itself, this is a constituent country. Curaçao does have an ethnic make up, their sources are the CIA i think, maybe i have to double check. I think that would work. A european dutchman is not even comparable to an antillean, for one most antilleans speak papiamento instead of Dutch, so grouping seperating those groups already makes it more sensible. They could be Afro-Dutch and European-Dutch, that would definitely work. DirkjanenBert (talk) 22:53, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I've noticed a strong emphasis on ethnic differences in our discussion. While recognizing diversity is essential, it's equally important not to overlook our shared humanity and the common experiences that bind us. A more inclusive approach can better reflect the reality of a globalized world where people's identities are often complex and multifaceted.
 * Rather than solely focusing on distinctions, let's also consider the broader picture that includes commonalities. This approach could provide a more holistic understanding of Curaçao's or any population, for that matter. I value your insights but believe we should strive for a representation that captures both the unique and shared aspects of communities. Kallmemel (talk) 10:10, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Aruba: "note: data represent population by nationality" Kallmemel (talk) 10:17, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * So your point against using ethnicities is that their identity is complex, so that an ethnic tab won’t fully represent that? A good argument on its own, but completely invalid when you also advocate that we should use nationalities instead, which is a complete generalization wnd tells you nothing about someone’s identity, because anyone can become a citizen, even if you don’t speak the language or are of a different culture.
 * If I search Nigeria, do you think it says 93% Nigerian Nationals 7% other nationalities?
 * No it doesn’t because that would give very little information.
 * I am not from Aruba, and I would like to get an idea of the diversity on the island, but from this info i get absolutely nothing. What type of people are they? No clue, with a definition as wide as Dutch they could be turkish or Frisian and I don’t have a freaking idea if I don’t read the history tab, which doesn’t give me that much info about it either.
 * I really appreciate your politeness and patience, but you shouldn’t ignore that different ethnic groups and cultures exist, and wildly differ. DirkjanenBert (talk) 20:00, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi DirkjanenBert, I see your frustration. The island has lost its identity through colonization. For example, nowadays, locals on the island think that Sinterklaas is a part of their culture. Why shouldn’t they, that’s all they’ve ever known. Most of the old families are from European descent, because all of the original indigenous people were killed or removed from the islands. On the long run it doesn’t matter where they came from. You lose that identity over time. For example: African-Americans doesn’t make sense, in my view. This person is American . Has never stepped foot on Africa. Yes, their ancestors were African but that’s where it ends. America is all they’ve ever known. It doesn’t matter on the long run. I’m not over-generalising, most of us were Neanderthal once, if we want to be really specific. I don’t see anyone nitpicking on the idea of being a neanderthal, but where out here nitpicking if somebody speaks Mandarin, oh means their Chinese? This is a gross over-simplification, and if this Chinese person moves to Italy, what now their Chinese-Italian? because they speak Mandarin and Italian and eats pasta. And then their kids move to the UK, now their Chinese-Italian-British? When are the hyphens gonna end? Billions of years of human evolution, and Afro-Dutch is a “specific” terminology to name a person? It’s a gross over-simplification. If Italian-American arrives on the island with an American passport, that person is simply an American by nationality doesn’t matter if speak gibberish or Mandarin. So if they don’t speak much Dutch on the island it’s for multiple reasons, but that doesn’t make them less Dutch by nationality, that’s all they’ve ever known.
 * If you want more information about one’s origin visit 23andme.com, and buy a test kit for everyone. That’s the only way your gonna get answers. Kallmemel (talk) 00:51, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Grumble
This verbose article does not give a year of settlement. Foreign language Wikis all have 1636. Benjamin Trovato (talk) Benjamin Trovato (talk) 05:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

 * The year 1636, is not mentioned, and it should be. For example as the end of the Spanish period. Kallmemel (talk) 12:23, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

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 * As it stands now the flag seems not necessary: the article contains plenty of reliably referenced material. I'm taking it out. Macdonald-ross (talk) 17:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Two Sedwicks
Just to put minds at rest, there were two British Adam Sedgwicks in natural science! The subject of this article was Old Adam, whereas the other was Young Adam. Young Adam was a distant relative, grand-nephew-ish. Any references in letters after 1873 must be to young Adam Sedgwick, zoologist, 1854--1913. OK? Macdonald-ross (talk) 19:16, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Ephemera or worth mentioning?
Philip Henry Gosse used Sedgwick, alongside Lyell, as a target in his notorious work Omphalos (1857), in which he unsuccessfully attempted to "untie the geological knot" by reconciling old earth creationism with studies suggesting the earth was much older than previously thought. Admittedly much of Gosse's criticism veers towards personal attack rather than anything constructive, but there are several passages where he attempts to evaluate the "flaws" with Sedgwick's own work. Anybody feel it's worth mentioning, or is it too minor a detail for inclusion? Absurdtrousers (talk) 19:21, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Biased Article!
Sedgwick was one of the most important of the early geologists, and it is patently absurd to devote almost the entirety of the article to his opposition to evolution.

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Magic School Bus episode guide was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep.

Wikipedia isn't an episode guide. If anything remarkable episodes should be mentioned in the Magic School Bus article. (Also Magic School Bus Episode Guide) - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 11:33, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC) Nomination has been retracted. -- [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 20:22, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

Then I renominate this. Not encyclopedic. Delete it! --Improv 06:28, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, please. Elf-friend 12:00, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think episode guides and all the other fan things are a case for special treatment. There is a huge amount of material on Wikipedia which, while it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia, is certainly of value to fans.  I think it should be split off to a new site for fans.  It's not so much that the entries get in the way of readers (they don't), it's that we who want to maintain an encyclopedia are constantly running into lists of fan trivia and this takes time away from work on the encyclopedia.  Keep for now until momentum builds up for an administrative decision to create a separate fan site.  --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 12:04, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Where does it say Wikipedia can't include episode guides? Even Jimbo Wales is in favor of including episode Guides. --Rebroad 13:14, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a bit of a special case. Probably doesn'y strictly belong to wiki, but the nature of article subject is about teaching material. This guide looks to me as capturing information of great value for community. --Gtabary 13:19, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. I can see how an episode guide has value as reference material, in a way that other TV trivia doesn't.  ike9898 14:55, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. While ideally I'd like a separate Wiki for fan stuff, episode guides can at least give an overview of the programme, which individual articles for episodes can't (which is why I'd vote delete for an episode article). Average Earthman 16:38, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * There is no harm whatsoever in keeping this. [[User:GRider|GRider\talk]] 17:19, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. An invaluable resource for the small fraction of the population interested in this subject. - SimonP 19:34, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * An obvious keep. Quality information. Please don't nominate articles like this. Everyking 20:03, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's unanimous. Keep. - Lucky 6.9 20:52, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Now this is the way to do episode guides. None of this redlink-every-episode-and-write-either-a-substub-or-a-terribly-detailed-article-littered-with-fancruft-on-as-many-as-possible bullshit. -R. fiend 00:56, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep  Everyone take a good look at this, because this is exactly how episode guides for damn near every TV/comic/radio/etc. series should be handled.  Bravo! -- Netoholic @ 06:40, 2004 Dec 2 (UTC)
 * Keep Deleting this page is anti-content.  Other episode lists exist on wikipedia with per-episode information, and there are even articles for individual episodes.  There is no reason to delete this.  --Brian0918 17:04, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep for all the reasons given above. P Ingerson 03:20, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Token keep. —[[en:RaD Man|RaD Man (talk)]] 04:42, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Episode guides are usually small sections of full articles that get broken off because they become large. As such I view this as part to the Magic School Bus show article, and I vote keep.  Plus, can you think of anything else having an article under this name?  There's no namespace conflict here at all!  --L33tminion | (talk) 08:32, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep for the same reasons expressed by Brian0918. If we're gonna allow episode guides and lists for some TV series articles we have to allow it for all, even if the show in question might not be of personal interest to you or me.23skidoo 06:17, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Rain forest is missing
It says here: "Angola has ''four principal natural regions: the *1. arid coastal lowland, stretching from Namibia to Luanda and characterized by low plains and terraces;
 * 2. green hills and mountains, rising inland from the coast into a great escarpment;
 * 3. a large area of high inland plains of dry savanna, called the high plateau (planalto), which extends eastward and south-east from the escarpment;
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