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SAML
Hi, welcome to Wikipedia. Just thought I'd leave a message to say I'm very impressed with the way you've transformed the SAML article. A brilliant first contribution. CheekyMonkey 23:49, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

UML diagrams
May I ask what drawing/diagramming tool you are using to produce your sequence diagrams? Allenc28 21:49, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I used the drawing tool in MS Word. Trscavo 13:21, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

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Hello, Just a small thing: when I choose to print and the "shrink to fit" option is on in IE11, the font used by the printer is too small to read, at least much smaller than most of the articles in Wikipedia. The cause could be the schema on the web browser SSO, which is too large and requires IE11 to zoom out when printing, thus makes the font so small. Do you think we can resize that drawing so it fits into a letter or A4 page, when we choose 100% in the print menu of IE11? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.147.140 (talk) 06:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Permission to use File:Saml2-browser-sso-redirect-post.png
Hi,

I'm working on a book on Hadoop Security that includes some discussion of SAML. I was hoping I could use a copy of your image in my description of the protocol. If you'd be willing to provide the image under a non-share-alike license, I can include it in my book. Feel free to e-mail me (book at hadoop-security.com).

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SAML cross reference
Hi - I noticed that you changed the Wiki-link that I added for assertion on the SAML article. [] My intention is to send readers to the general definition of assertion, but your link sends them only to the specific type of assertion related to SAML, which doesn't really help as much. I always hate getting reverted so I thought I'd reach out to you here and see if you agree. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  23:23, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi @TimTempleton. Thanks for taking the time to write. I'm afraid the definition of Assertion_(software_development) does not apply in this case. It refers to something else entirely and so it doesn't really help (or so I claim).

I would be open to writing a new article entitled "Assertion (SAML)" but that is more difficult than it sounds since there are multiple versions of SAML. That is why there are separate articles for SAML 1.1 and SAML 2.0.

Btw, you may have noticed that I added articles for identity provider (SAML) and service provider (SAML). These terms are thrown about freely in the SAML-related articles so I felt SAML-specific definitions were needed. However, I'm not sure if the same reasoning applies to "Assertion (SAML)". Tom Scavo (talk) 14:50, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

 * You are absolutely correct - my bad. I took the opportunity to educate myself a bit and made two changes.  I clarified the text in the Security Assertion Markup Language lede rather than Wiki-linking to the subsection, as you had done, and added a disambiguation hatnote to the top of the Assertion (software development) article.  What do you think?  Better? TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  20:21, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Very nicely done, @TimTempleton :-) Tom Scavo (talk) 22:34, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

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Hi, I’m really curious why you think it’s necessary to have three lines of text for a web citation, when a single click provides all the details required? If every citation had this amount of detail, people might struggle to find the actual links, and the refs would be three times the length of the article itself (p.s. the original link was wrong anyway). Yours in puzzlement, Darorcilmir (talk) 16:36, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

 * I use Template:EFloras for consistency. The actual content is determined by the template and therefore mostly out of my control. Tom Scavo (talk) 17:03, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

 * I see the template is “underused”. Hardly surprising. It’s counter-productive to have such an unwieldy chunk of text for such a simple weblink. Darorcilmir (talk) 19:52, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

 * I don't disagree with your assessment but the use of a template trumps all else IMO. A single mod to the underlying code changes everything, everywhere. Tom Scavo (talk) 22:39, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Hardyplants. I'm looking at your photo in article Trillium cernuum. Since the shot is so far away, I'm having trouble confirming the identity of the plants in the photo. AFAICT, there are no pigments in the reproductive organs, which leads me to speculate that this might be T. flexipes, not T. cernuum. Can you tell me where in MN this photo was taken? If you have any other info that would help positively identify these plants, I'd be grateful. Tom Scavo (talk) 15:37, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Pigments in the floral structures are not a reliable way to ID these species. The picture was taken just south of the Twin Cities, where both species are native. Unfortunately, the flowers in the picture are washed out by the flash and there is a loss of details. I have both species. There is a lot of variation in specimens but generally T. cernuum has the flower hidden below the foliage, and T. flexipes has the flower level with or above the "leaves", Within our local populations the length of the peduncle is also different with T. flexipes having a very long one while T. cernuum has one just long enough to get the flower under the leavesHardyplants (talk) 05:37, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

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Clerks II

Clerks II is a 2006 American black comedy film written and directed by Kevin Smith, the sequel to his 1994 film Clerks, and his sixth feature film to be set in the View Askewniverse. The film stars Brian O'Halloran, Jeff Anderson, Rosario Dawson, Trevor Fehrman, Jennifer Schwalbach Smith, Jason Mewes, and Smith, and picks up with the original characters from Clerks: Dante Hicks, Randal Graves and Jay and Silent Bob ten years after the events of the first film. Unlike the first film, which was shot in black and white, this film was shot mostly in color.

The film screened out of competition at the 2006 Cannes Film Festival and won the Audience Award at the 2006 Edinburgh International Film Festival before receiving a theatrical release on July 21, 2006 to critical and commercial success, grossing $27 million worldwide from a $5 million budget. A third film was released in 2022.

Plot
Ten years after the events of the first film, Dante Hicks arrives at the Quick Stop convenience store for another day of work, only to find, upon opening the security shutters, that the store is on fire. Randal Graves, Dante's best friend, had left the coffee pot on after closing the night before. Because Quick Stop and the adjacent RST Video have been destroyed in the fire, Dante and Randal begin working at a Mooby's fast food restaurant along with devout Christian teenager Elias Grover and their manager Becky Scott.

A year later, Dante is planning to leave his minimum wage lifestyle and move to Florida with his wealthy but overbearing fiancée Emma Bunting, whose parents will provide them with a home and a car wash business to run as wedding gifts. Afraid of losing his best friend, Randal becomes resentful towards Dante and Emma's relationship. Jay and Silent Bob have followed Dante and Randal, and now loiter outside of Mooby's. Although they no longer use drugs (after being arrested for possession, sent to rehab, and supposedly becoming devout Born again Christians), the duo continue to sell them and perform their typical antics in the parking lot.

Dante tells Becky that he is worried about dancing at his wedding, so she takes him up to the restaurant's roof to teach him some moves. Dante soon releases his inhibitions and begins dancing to The Jackson 5's ABC. When the song ends, Dante, caught up in the moment, confesses his love for Becky, and she reveals that she's pregnant as a result of a one-night stand they had at work a few weeks prior. Becky tells Dante not to tell anyone about the baby. However, he tells Randal but threatens to beat Randal up should he tell anyone. Becky finds out and, furious at Dante for telling Randal, drives off.

Randal encourages Dante to leave Mooby's in search of Becky, so he can set up a surprise going away party for him. Randal hires "Kinky Kelly and the Sexy Stud," a donkey show act, complete with a fog machine, for the party. When Dante returns, he mistakes the fog for fire and calls the fire department, but upon discovering that it's not a fire, proceeds to watch with Randal, Jay, Silent Bob, and a very drunk/stoned Elias.

The group discovers that "Kinky Kelly" is, in fact, the donkey, while the man, whom Randal thought to be the pimp, is "The Sexy Stud". When Becky returns, she admits that she too loves Dante. As they kiss, Emma arrives with a cake she made for Dante. She throws her engagement ring at Becky, dumps the cake over Dante's head, knees him in the crotch, and storms off in tears.

The fire and police departments arrive and Dante, Randal, Elias, Jay, Silent Bob, and The Sexy Stud are arrested as a result of the show. In their jail cell, Dante gets into a heated argument with Randal, angry with him for ruining his life and expresses his eagerness to start a new life without him, while Randal becomes indignant and condemns Dante for his willingness to live his life under the standards of others and for abandoning their friendship, revealing how upset he is that Dante is moving away. The two then finally realize how much they care about their friendship.

Randal proposes that they buy the Quick Stop and re-open it themselves, although Dante says that neither have the money to do it. Jay and Silent Bob offer to lend them the money (from the royalty money they collected from the Bluntman and Chronic movie in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back) provided that they can hang out outside of the store anytime they want without the police being called. Randal accepts their offer, but Dante is uncertain, prompting Randal to emotionally confess his fear of losing Dante. Moved by Randal's confession, Dante agrees to the proposition. Shortly after, the group is released off-screen without being charged since (as the Sexy Stud had assured them) you can't be imprisoned for watching an inter-species sex act.

Soon afterwards, Dante, having embraced fatherhood, proposes to Becky at Mooby's, who happily accepts. After both the Quick Stop and RST Video are rebuilt, Dante and Randal hire Elias to work at RST Video.

In the very last scene, with the stores open, Dante tells Randal, both having finally taken control of their lives, "Can you feel it? Today is the first day of the rest of our lives." The color then evaporates from the film and the camera pulls back to reveal the milk maid from the first movie still going through all the gallons.

Cast

 * Brian O'Halloran as Dante Hicks
 * Jeff Anderson as Randal Graves
 * Rosario Dawson as Becky Scott
 * Trevor Fehrman as Elias Grover
 * Jennifer Schwalbach as Emma Bunting
 * Jason Mewes as Jay
 * Kevin Smith as Silent Bob
 * Jason Lee as Lance Dowds
 * Zak Knutson as Sexy Stud
 * Wanda Sykes as Angry customer
 * Earthquake as Angry customer's husband
 * Ethan Suplee as Weed customer
 * Ben Affleck as Gawking customer
 * Kevin Weisman as Lord of the Rings geek
 * Scott Mosier as Concerned Father
 * Walt Flanagan as Quick Stop Customer

Development
In 1999, the original title was slated to be Clerks 2: Hardly Clerkin' (cf. Jerry Lewis's Hardly Working), as seen in the credits of Dogma. Smith later modified the title to The Passion of the Clerks, lampooning the title of Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ. According to the DVD documentary, the title was changed to simply Clerks II, due to negative reaction to the "Passion" title. The film was shot from September to November 2005. It was originally scheduled for a 2005 release, and then a January 2006 release, but the production was pushed back due to other projects and Kevin Smith's involvement in the romantic comedy Catch and Release.

Smith released production diaries on the Clerks II website (see links below). They chronicle the entire making of the film from the first rehearsals all the way through to the final release. Some of these web diaries are also available on the two-disc DVD of the film. Smith released a Web-only teaser trailer on the Clerks II website on January 9, 2006, and a web-only trailer on April 2, 2006. Smith also released several shorts featuring action figures from his previous films to promote the film.

Before the release of the film, Smith had mentioned releasing an MP3 file commentary to be downloaded and listened to in movie theaters via iPod. Ultimately, theater owners and exhibitors objected, and the plan was scrapped. The abandoned commentary, featuring Smith, Scott Mosier and Jeff Anderson, is included on the DVD.

The bookend Quick Stop scenes are in black and white (to simulate the original visual style of Clerks), while the rest of the film is in color. Smith has said that much of the film's color was desaturated almost to the point where the film had a similar texture to the first film. The contrast in color saturation used can be seen in the "ABC" sequence in which a more vibrant and saturated color temperature is used to give a warm and sunny look that adds to the playful nature of the piece.

On the film's MySpace account, a contest was held in which the first 10,000 MySpace users who added Clerks II as a friend would have their name in the theatrical and DVD end credits; the list follows the View Askew and Weinstein Company logos. The names are not present in the credits on the Region 2 DVD.

Locations
The Mooby's restaurant was a shut-down Burger King at 8572 Stanton Ave in Buena Park, California (near Knott's Berry Farm), that has since been demolished. The final days of principal photography were filmed at the Quick Stop and RST Video store in Leonardo, New Jersey, with some exceptions, the most notable being the go-kart scene, which was shot at Speedzone in Industry, California. The opening sequence where Randal and Dante are driving to work is a montage of Route 35, mostly in Middletown, New Jersey.

Casting
Brian O'Halloran, Jeff Anderson, Jason Mewes, and Kevin Smith all reprised their roles from the first film.

According to the DVD commentary, Kevin Smith originally wanted to cast his wife Jennifer Schwalbach Smith as Becky. Executive producer Harvey Weinstein objected, however, wanting a known actress to play the role for marketing reasons. Other actresses that Smith had met with were Sarah Silverman and Bryce Dallas Howard who both declined. Smith recalls having lunch with Howard who said she was interested in the film but ultimately passed in order to do Lady in the Water. Silverman said she didn't want to play the Becky character as she had been cast as girlfriends in numerous other productions and feared type-casting, but loved the script and would have been more than willing to play the part of Randal Graves. Rachel Weisz was another name the studio considered, but Smith figured she would turn the role down and never offered her the part. Ellen Pompeo expressed an interest but could not commit due to scheduling difficulties with Grey's Anatomy. Finally, the role was offered to Rosario Dawson who loved the script. She later said that reading the "donkey show" scene sealed the deal for her. Schwalbach Smith was given the secondary female role of Emma Bunting. Smith also cast his daughter Harley Quinn Smith as the little girl Dante waves to in the window of a restaurant and his mother Grace as the Milk Maid, reprising her role from the first film. Walt Flanagan makes a cameo appearance as a customer who asks for a "pack of cigarettes" (after the film changes from color to black and white), in a nod to the first film as well.

The character of Elias was played by Trevor Fehrman who had previously worked in Anderson's film Now You Know. Smith saw him in the film and was impressed enough to give him a part. In keeping with Smith's tradition of casting actors that he has previously worked with, both Jason Lee and Ben Affleck had parts in the film. Lee played Lance Dowds and Affleck played a random Mooby's customer. After finding no one else who could pull off being the Sexy Stud, Smith turned to crew member Zak Knutson to fill the role.

Rating
The film was originally planned to be released without an MPAA film rating, in order to avoid receiving an NC-17. Smith claimed "If we put it in front of the ratings board they'd be like, 'You're insane. We have to create a new rating for that.'" However, he later submitted it, and it received an R rating without any edits.

Box office
The film opened in 2,150 theaters and grossed $10.1 million domestically in its first weekend. The film's theatrical gross was $24.1 million domestically, plus an additional $2.8 million from other territoires foreign, against its production budget of $5 million.

Reception
The film holds a 63% approval rating on review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, based on 166 reviews with an average rating of 6.10/10. The website's critical consensus reads, "Clerks II dishes up much of the graphic humor and some of the insight that made the 1994 original a cult hit." On Metacritic, the film has a weighted average score of 65 out of 100, based on 29 critics, indicating "generally favorable reviews". Audiences polled by CinemaScore gave the film an average grade of "A−" on an A+ to F scale.

In a review for The New York Times, A. O. Scott wrote that: What makes Clerks II both winning and (somewhat unexpectedly) moving is its fidelity to the original Clerks ethic of hanging out, talking trash and refusing all worldly ambition. If anything, the sequel is more defiant in its disdain for the rat race, elevating the white-guy-doing-nothing prerogative from a lifestyle choice to a moral principle. Justin Chang's review at Variety called it a "softer, flabbier and considerably higher-budgeted follow-up to Kevin Smith's 1994 indie sensation that nevertheless packs enough riotous exchanges and pungent sexual obscenities to make its 97 minutes pass by with ease."

At an advance screening for critics, Joel Siegel walked out of the film approximately 40 minutes in, during a scene in which the characters attempt to procure a donkey for sexual purposes. Smith claimed on his website that Siegel "bellowed" the phrase "Time to go! This is the first movie I've walked out on in thirty fucking years!" TV Guide film critic Maitland McDonagh, who said she was sitting next to Siegel, largely confirms Smith's account but insists that Siegel did not curse or "bellow." However, she reports that he left from the farthest possible exit, thereby making sure everyone noticed his departure. On his blog, Smith criticized Siegel for unprofessional conduct. Cinegeek wrote a profanity-laced tirade in which Stephen and Suzie Lackey referred to the critic performing sexual acts on director M. Night Shyamalan in regard to his praise for The Village before having seen it. Smith later confronted Siegel in a live interview on Opie and Anthony; Siegel apologized for cursing and causing a scene, and told Smith that he thinks he is a "fine filmmaker," while still defending his decision to walk out.

British presenter and film critic Jonathan Ross has been largely critical of the film, saying he disliked it even more than the first film; he expressed distaste that the film was voted by viewers of his Film 2006 show into the top ten of the year, in which it ranked sixth. It made other Best of 2006 lists, including being named movie of the year by MTV India, being voted the third-funniest film of 2006 by IMDb users and the ninth-best reviewed comedy by Rotten Tomatoes.

The film received an eight-minute standing ovation at the 2006 Cannes Film Festival.

Soundtrack
Music from the Motion Picture Clerks II, the soundtrack to the film, was released on August 22, 2006 by Bulletproof Records. It includes songs from the film, which are of various artists and genres, as well as many soundclips of dialog from the film. One notable exception is that The Smashing Pumpkins' "1979", which was featured in the film, is not included. It has been replaced by All Too Much's "Think Fast", which was not featured in the film.

 * 1) Dialogue: "Anne Frank vs. Helen Keller" – 0:27
 * 2) "(Nothing But) Flowers" – Talking Heads – 5:33
 * 3) Dialogue: "Regret" – 0:28
 * 4) "Welcome Home" – King Diamond – 4:36
 * 5) Dialogue: "Of Parts Enlarged" – 0:17
 * 6) "Neckin' on the Swing" – James L. Venable – 3:49
 * 7) Dialogue: "The First of the Fallen" – 0:55
 * 8) "The Invisible Guests" – King Diamond – 5:04
 * 9) Dialogue: "The Unholiest Act" – 0:52
 * 10) "Goodbye Horses" – Q Lazzarus & Garvey – 6:27
 * 11) Dialogue: "On Knowing Pickles" – 0:17
 * 12) "Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head" – B. J. Thomas – 3:02
 * 13) Dialogue: "Twelve Step" – 0:20
 * 14) "ABC" – The Jackson 5 – 2:58
 * 15) Dialogue: "The Perfect Gift" – 0:54
 * 16) "Think Fast" – All Too Much – 3:24
 * 17) Dialogue: "Party Planning" – 0:31
 * 18) "Goin' Away Party" – James L. Venable – 1:44 - This contains segments of the "Clerks" animated series' theme song, also by Venable
 * 19) Dialogue: "I'm Gonna Miss You, Man" – 0:39
 * 20) "Naughty Girls (Need Love Too)" – Samantha Fox – 3:21
 * 21) Dialogue: "Abstinence" – 1:01
 * 22) "Everything" – Alanis Morissette – 4:36
 * 23) Dialogue: "Semantics" – 0:31
 * 24) "Misery" – Soul Asylum – 4:24
 * 25) Dialogue: "Battle of the Mega-Geeks" – 0:31

Home media
The Clerks II DVD was released on November 28, 2006.

The Hollywood Reporter reported that the film opened to #4 in terms of rental and DVD sales, and made approximately $6 million in rentals, or a quarter of the total box office gross of $24.2 million.

Clerks II was released on HD DVD on January 16, 2007. The release featured the film in 1080p high definition on one disc and the same extras as the DVD, also presented in 1080p, on a second disc. After the conclusion of the high definition optical disc format war in February 2008, Clerks II was released on Blu-ray Disc on February 3, 2009 with two additional special features.

Sequel
On February 9, 2017, Smith revealed on Facebook that although a script had been completed, Clerks III had been cancelled as "one of the four leads opted out of the flick". He later revealed that Jeff Anderson was the one who opted out. On October 1, 2019, Smith announced on Instagram that Clerks III was happening and that Anderson agreed to reprise his role as Randal. It'll be a movie that concludes a saga. It'll be a movie about how you're never too old to completely change your life. It'll be a movie about how a decades-spanning friendship finally confronts the future. It'll be a movie that brings us back to the beginninga return to the cradle of civilization in the great state of #newjersey. It'll be a movie that stars Jeff and @briancohalloran, with me and Jay in supporting roles. And it'll be a movie called CLERKS III!

Principal photography began on August 2, 2021 in Red Bank, New Jersey. Filming wrapped on August 31, 2021. The film was released on September 13, 2022 in the United States by Lionsgate (whose film studio acquired the catalogue of The Weinstein Company from Spyglass.) and Fathom Events.

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Page move
Why was this article moved?? How else can the phrase List of Georgia railroads be interpreted?? 66.245.112.178 23:50, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Okay, a long time to answer, but Georgia can also mean the former Soviet Union member nation Georgia. That country also has rail service, so "List of Georgia railroads" is ambiguous. Slambo (Speak)  12:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Possible common carrier
The Macon Terminal Company may belong. --NE2 00:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

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S. americanum
S. americanum is known as poroporo in New Zealand and I have re-edited as such. It is native to more than one country. See Landcare Research for an authorative reference. Alan Liefting 06:04, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Solanum sodomeum
Why does this photo appear in the article, yet the species is not included in the species list? Badagnani 03:47, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Solanum sodomeum is rejected under the relevant provisions of the ICBN, and should not be used. The reason for rejection, and the appropriate name for the taxon aren't obviously available on the web, but there's a Taxon article at JSTOR which might shed some light. Lavateraguy 19:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Native to?
The article should state which regions of the world solanum is native to. The Americas (tomato) and Asia (eggplant) would be two areas, I guess. Badagnani 04:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Major food crops
Shouldn't capsicum be included here, too? Surely it's at least as widely grown, if not more so, than eggplant?--H-ko 13:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

capsicum
I believe chile peppers (listed here as solanum capsicum) are actually in the capsicum Genus.Joe Schmedley 00:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

 * That's correct. I've already removed Solanum capsicum from the list; there appears to be no such species. (The alternatives would be something other than a chilli pepper, or an unusual and rejected name for one of the chilli peppers.) Lavateraguy 19:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Solanum villosum
Wtf? http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/jobj/runjava.jobj?java=ctol.CTOLServer&method=printNamePage&accountref=987&NAMEID=11778. http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?101393 Says that Solanum villosum is Red Nightshade. Should the article be changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LunaRain (talk • contribs) 01:32, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Tomatoes
Isn't it better to put all the tomatoes in their own genus Lycopersicon? Like that species here called Solanum lycopersicon, is called Lycopersicon esculentum in the literature I have access to. That literature is mainly from a professor at the University of Oslo ("Norsk flora" Lid & Lid edited by Reidar Elven). Otherwise is Capsicum in a own genus as mentioned above. Amdb73 (talk) 20:52, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It turns out that when you study the DNA potatoes and tomatoes are more closely related to each other than either is to many other species of Solanum. With the modern preference that genera should be monophyletic clades that means either moving the tomato (back) into Solanum, or chopping Solanum into lots of pieces; no-one seems to care for the latter alternative.
 * You'll still find older literature using Lysopersicum, but most new literature uses Solanum for tomatoes. (WIkipedia follows the current consensus, not the historical consensus.) Lavateraguy (talk) 17:38, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

What about Peppers?
Peppers are also in the nightshade family aren't they? 186.177.185.21 (talk) 17:02, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sweet and Chile Peppers (Capsicum) are in the nightshade family (Solanaceae), but not the nightshade genus (Solanum). The various spices, including black pepper, in the genus Piper are very distantly related - they're near to Magnolia than to Solanum.

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Talk:Washington and Lee University

Source
How does an opinion writer for The Atlantic - ADAM SERWER - qualify as an disinterested, authoritative reference source?

Reference 17 -"The Myth of Kindly General Lee". theatlantic.com. Retrieved 2017-06-04. Lee was as indifferent to crimes of violence towards blacks carried out by his students as he was when they was carried out by his soldiers."

Snit333 (talk) 01:48, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

This article does not present a neutral point of view. I made an edit acknowledging a shift in perspective from historical to modern POVs but had those edits removed. I cited books and authentic scholarship performed on President Lee’s tenure. All of these revisions were undone and the author resorted to name calling instead of considering alternative sources. Gwhitfieldvi (talk) 00:14, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

 * You cited a second-hand source from the early 20th century reprinted in the Lee Family Archives, a poor source at best. And you inserted your own point of view directly into the article: "Modern scholars, Elizabeth Pryor among them, and modern writers have sought to criticize President Lee’s handling of his college boys by making unfounded assumptions..."
 * You are welcome to make or propose edits and improvements to this article. Please cite reliable sources and refrain from adding your own point of view. ElKevbo (talk) 01:12, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

I am not sure that I agree with your characterization of imparting a view. However, if you feel strongly about that one sentence then that sentence should be flagged or edited by you. Removing entire revisions with links to WLU.edu, the University’s website, and to scholarly books, one of which was published by the University, is inexplicable except that the points of view expressed in those articles are ones with which you disagree. The context provided by the distribution of the University is important to understanding the impact that Lee had on the University. I am sorry that that impact is offensive to you. However, the fact that the University was in dire straits prior to Lee’s arrival and that his tenure saved the University and resulted in numerous improvements to the physical campus and curriculum is indisputable. You could have acted as an unbiased editor with advance privileges by making recommended changes to the statement which you believe reflects an opinion. That leads to debate and discussion which is healthy and encouraged by Wikipedia. Gwhitfieldvi (talk) 02:48, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Questionable Source in Lee Years
It seems like the majority of the Lee Year section is reliant on the dsuka.com source from this (archived) page Firstly, the source was cited as "Home – Jual Tiket Pesawat Murah – Rajawali Travel," which I have corrected to "Robert E. Lee" in accordance with the page's title. More importantly, as far as I can tell, dkusa.com doesn't rise to the standard of a reliable source. It seems to be a defunct page for the Kappa Alpha Order, a fraternity that claims it "was born under the white light of [Lee's] noble life" and considers him a "spiritual founder." It has no named author, with the writer listed as "Delta Beta," so it's difficult to establish whether the author qualifies as an authoritative source, and the webpage seems unlikely to be considered a 'published materials with a reliable publication process.' The article is openly laudatory of Lee, if not cloying, as he is an important figure to KAO's history, and the claims it makes are unsourced. As such it seems like it should at the very least be treated as a Biased Source, whereas the current article presents its claims without any qualification. As such, it strikes me as WP:SPS, and to whatever extent it may be considered WP:ABOUTSELF it seems to be overly self-serving.

The Lee Years section also seems to have issues with tone and NPOV throughout, phrases such as "it is hardly surprising that he welcomed the challenge" seem unnecessary. The claim in paragraph 2 that Lee's incorporation of new fields in the liberal arts curriculum is also uncited, the only related source, footnote 17, only establishes that the journalism degree was a new concept. The third paragraph is also completely uncited (the above footnote does mention "To help rebuild a shattered South" as a motive for some of the school's actions, but doesn't seem to support claims about admissions.) There's already a discussion about the reliability of the Atlantic article as a source for claims about Lee's racist behavior as president that doesn't seem to have been resolved.

In all, the section seems to have issues that I think require substantial revision. However, I'm a brand new editor, and this is a slightly contentious topic given current events and I'm hesitant to unilaterally attempt to correct this. Still, I wanted to raise the issue, and if people think it would be a good idea I'd be happy to attempt to find more reliable sources and revise.

Foridin (talk) 01:11, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree. I removed the bit about "hardly surprising". I also put a refimprove flag on the section. I hope other editors weigh in. Attic Salt (talk) 17:06, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

 * You appear to have the qualifications to edit further. You're 100% in the right to point that citation out as inadequate. If we're honest, it was probably written by an undergrad student. I too find the "Lee Year's" section in need of some serious copyediting. The topic is wrapped in with the Lost Cause and that section doesn't appear to have a single academic source. I'll fix that in the coming days. Muttnick (talk) 01:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Addition to categories "American slave owners" and "American slave traders"
On March 18 I added the categories "American slave owners" and "American slave traders," which were reverted quickly, described as "incorrect," "inaccurate," "disruptive" and possibly "vandalism." These are good faith edits which are true, previously sourced in the article, correct, accurate, widely known and certainly not intended to be disruptive, vandalistic or controversial. Here is the citation to the facts, which was previously cited in the article, long before I ever added the categories:

Anyone have any thoughts? I'm attempting to establish a consensus about this so the categories can be re-added. Other pages in these categories are of people and institutions which later stopped slave-trading or slave-owning, as this educational institution has, through various actions/events (manumission, selling all their slaves, slavery abolition). Why would these categories not apply to educational institutions which were American slave owners and slave traders? How can I best go about re-adding them, as they are true, sourced in the article, correct, accurate and widely known? JBDouglas (talk) 01:14, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

 * Both of those categories appear to be intended for individual people, not institutions. Have you discussed whether or not it's appropriate to add institutions to those categories? Is there perhaps a better category or a need for a new one specifically for colleges and universities? ElKevbo (talk) 01:27, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

 * Both categories predominantly list individual people, but also institutions, indicating the intent to include them. But perhaps a new one might be useful or needed for colleges and universities which historically owned or traded slaves. I don't know if that's necessarily the case. JBDouglas (talk) 02:08, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

 * I didn't see any institutions in those categories but I apparently just missed them. Regardless, I do think that a new category - perhaps several - warrants serious consideration. It would certainly be nice to be able to link directly to such a category (or list article) from Slavery at American colleges and universities. ElKevbo (talk) 03:05, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Protection and decision
Can we add the info regarding to board of trustees decision back. At the same time of this decision, people are upset and vandalizing the article, should we protect it? Thank in advance!!! MAXMcow (talk) 21:14, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

 * I made a protection request. I imagine vandals will attack this article for the next week or two. Might as well get some protection going. Muttnick (talk) 16:36, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

I Agree. I did make a typo but someone corrected it so all is good but until then I think we should protect this article to prevent any unnecessary nonsense MAXMcow (talk) 19:01, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Claim that Lee tolerated rape is objectively false and relies on historically illiterate single sourcing
An editor of the Washington and Lee University page is violating virtually every element of historical authenticity to allege a claim that has been denied by the vast majority of historians. Rather, the editor is relying on one historian who weaponizes hearsay, neglects past course of dealing, and ignores all evidence that impugns her claim in order to assassinate the historical subject's character. This subjective politicization runs anathema to the basic precepts of historical research and claim assertion.

Please let me know how to proceed. Washington & Lee applicants, students, alumni, and professors read this page, and the university's founder shall not have his reputation adulterated by an editor relying on one ahistorical source (the Atlantic Magazine) that flies in the face of innumerable sources (from Lee biographers to the greatest Civil War historians) which prove the diametric opposite contention.

The edit, at most, should read as following:

"One historian, Elizabeth Brown Pryor, has argued that one of Lee's failings as president of Washington College was an apparent indifference to crimes of violence towards blacks committed by students at the college. She claims that students at Washington College formed their own chapter of the KKK and were known by the local Freedmen's Bureau to attempt to abduct and rape black schoolgirls from the nearby black schools, and that Lee seemed to punish the racial harassment more laxly than he did more trivial offenses or turned a blind eye to it altogether. However, Pryor's only source for these criminal allegations stem from an article written by John M. McClure, entitled "The Freedman's Bureau School in Lexington v. 'General Lee's Boys.'" In that article, bereft of citation or any corroborating evidence, McClure alleges that rape was committed by VMI cadets against local Lexington residents. Yet, his only mention of Washington College students references their "readily divine purposes," a phrase cited from one of Lee's principal biographers, Douglas Southall Freeman. In that very same biography, though, Freeman rebuts any allegation that Lee tolerated or condoned sexual assault on campus. In fact, there is no evidence that Lee was even aware of any allegations of rape against students at Washington College. In reality, Lee had previously expelled students who were apprehended for fighting with local men of color in Lexington, regardless of their lack of any conviction in a legal proceeding. Thus, historians agree that Pryor has may have read in her own surmise by invoking a citation that fails to support her unevidenced claim regarding Lee's purported knowledge and lack of punitive reprisal." Sir Facts a Lot (talk) 18:47, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

 * Additionally, Pryor misquotes the McClure article (there is no mention that Lee was aware of any rape allegations), which itself misquotes Freeman's biography of Lee (Freeman never alleges that Washington College students raped any women in Lexington). This is simply a case of a purported journalist (i.e., an untrained historian) for the political magazine, the Atlantic, quoting a "historian" who misquotes another historian who himself manufactured a claim by referencing a biographer who directly refutes the allegation in question. Frankly, the allegation should not be included in the article at all. Not only is it unconfirmed, but it is far more likely than not that it did not occur. This claim thus fails the preponderance of evidence standard required by Wikipedia. The fact that my qualifying the nature of the allegation as "unconfirmed" has itself been removed is evidence that the other editor clearly seeks to besmirch Lee's reputation, all legitimately sourced evidence be damned.
 * Please correct this and keep abreast of the future actions undertaken by this problematic "editor." Sir Facts a Lot (talk) 18:58, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sir Facts a Lot, you write that the claim a claim that has been denied by the vast majority of historians. Please provide links to historians denying the claim in reliable sources. Wikipedia reflects the content of reliable sources, and The Atlantic, a general-internet magazine renowned for its scrupulous fact-checking, is considered a generally reliable source.
 * Information about a university's president's tenure at that university is clearly pertinent and due, so we have an obligation to cover it. I'm open to including differing perspectives from reliable sources, but if those sources cannot be provided, then I default to support of using the Atlantic account. {{u| Sdkb  }}  talk 21:33, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No, we're not going to remove, omit, or edit information simply because you disagree with it or dislike it. It's a reliable source based on many other reliable sources. ElKevbo (talk) 02:03, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Your personal opinion regarding the reliability of the Atlantic is irrelevant. As I have objectively demonstrated above, that Atlantic article's only reference is to a person who - to state it politely - misquotes ("contrives" would be a more apropos description) a historian (Douglas Southall Freeman), who does NOT claim that (1) Washington college students raped women in Lexington, and unquestionably does NOT claim that (2) Lee had any actual knowledge of any allegations. Given the objective falsity of that quote, the burden of proof is on you to provide another source that demonstrates both that rape occurred and that Lee had knowledge of the allegations. The burden of proof is not on me to prove a negative. Perhaps you all to reeducate yourselves on the burdens of proof required in historical interpretation. Lee was a reputed taskmaster at W&L and had expelled dozens of students for engaging in even minor fracas with residents of color in Lexington, VA. That course of dealing would suggest that, at the very least, rape itself would result in discipline (in fact, McClure's piece even admits that Lee expelled university students for fighting with minority residents in Lexington. Should he have had them hanged, instead?).  Moreover, his writings to the Virginia legislature at that time contain his almost relentless insistence that the state reconcile with newly freed slaves.
 * As to ElKevbo - as demonstrated above, claiming that an untrained historian's partisan political piece in the Atlantic is a "reliable" historical source is laughable, and tragically reflects on the quality (or lack thereof) of Wikipedia as a historical database. I could not root the Atlantic's fallacious source to Douglas Southall Freeman's own words any more clearly than has been articulated above. I can explain it you, but I can't understand it for you. That fundamental reading comprehension relies on your own cerebral capacity, regrettably.
 * Again, the burden is not on me to prove a negative. The fact that historians refute the claim lies in the reality that NO Lee biographer or Civil War historian has EVER claimed that Lee knew of or tolerated rape in Lexington. The ONLY "evidence" proffered is an article taken from an opinion piece in a political / social magazine (the Atlantic) which cites a source that does NOT even support its own claim. Is that the burden of proof we should now apply to all historical figures? Should a partisan piece from the National Review or Free Beacon (which harbor the same journalistic quality and historical expertise as a publication like the Atlantic) be relied upon as an objective historical source? Should a journalist who manufactures a claim - one in which no previous biographer has ever asserted - devoid of any physical evidence (letters, court papers, conversations, etc. proving that Lee knew of and condoned the allegations) suffice as evidence? Does that satisfy the preponderance of the evidence standard in which we apply to historicity at the PhD level?
 * By the way, the McClure article referenced by the Atlantic also claims that Lee did "not enjoy his time as president" at W&L - a laughable assertion given that Lee almost religiously worshiped the university and frequently lauded it and his time there in dozens of private letters to family and colleagues (you see, actual letters would constitute the hard evidence required to satiate a preponderance of the evidence standard). In any case, enjoy prioritizing your libelous agitprop over basic precepts of historical interpretation and evidence. Sir Facts a Lot (talk) 14:02, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It looks like @Jtchen26 has restored the passage, a move I agree with. WP:BURDEN is met through the RSP-greenlit source, and WP:ONUS is met with the prevailing consensus here (as well as the status quo ante). Jtchen, feel free to join the discussion here if you have thoughts.
 * @Sir Facts a Lot, welcome to Wikipedia, where our top concern is verifiability, which means references to reliable sources. You can write as much as you want, but if you cannot provide sources to back up your argument then it has no weight. Best, {{u| Sdkb  }}  talk 14:20, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * At the least, the paragraph could stand trimming, with some of the weasel wording removed, as well as the replication of the Atlantic's text being put into quotes. The Atlantic article doesn't devote much space to Lee's transgressions as an educator, and that argues for its being undue here. The initial "However" doesn't really belong, since Lee's purported moral blindness could well have been in consequence of his leaving students to discipline themselves. Dhtwiki (talk) 22:59, 31 August 2023 (UTC) (edited 22:45, 1 September 2023 (UTC) and 22:47, 1 September 2023 (UTC))
 * I'd be fine with rewriting it, but the idea that it should go because it's not accurate or something is ridiculous. Whether the paragraph is weasel worded or not only takes away slightly from it's original point, which would still stand, something @Sir Facts a Lot is arguing the paragraph is entirely wrong. The general consensus is that the paragraph is right, a rewriting could happen (? It reads okay.) but removing it entirely is unfounded. Jtchen26 (talk) 02:05, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Subheading organization
The notable alumni section is short, while the sections above it on art talk about notable alumni like Sally Mann, who don't appear in the alumni section. Does someone want to move the art and other similar sections under the alumni heading? Or would you just put Sally Mann and others in both sections? I'm not experienced enough on Wikipedia to know what conventions are on other college and university pages so I'm hoping this prompts someone more experienced to reconsider the organization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlm275 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

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Good God's Urge

Good God's Urge is the second studio album by American alternative rock band Porno for Pyros. It was released in 1996 on Warner Bros. It was the band's first album to feature bass guitarist Mike Watt, who assisted the band in finishing the album after Martyn LeNoble left before all his bass tracks had been completed. There were three singles released from the album.

In addition to Watt, many guest musicians lent their musical talents to various songs. "Porpoise Head" featured Daniel Ash, David J and Kevin Haskins from Bauhaus, Love and Rockets and the Bubblemen. Good God's Urge also marked a reunion of ex-Jane's Addiction guitarist Dave Navarro, who played guitar on the album track "Freeway." The song also featured Navarro's Red Hot Chili Peppers bandmate, Flea.

Farrell's then-girlfriend, Christine Cagle, appeared on the album cover. Photographer John Eder described the photoshoot as "increasingly chaotic and weird", and said the cover was one of the last shots of the night.

The album was devised over a two-year "surf trip" that saw the band visiting places like Tahiti, Indonesia, Samoa, Costa Rica, and Mexico, leading to a more acoustic and less hard rock sound. The trips doubled as occasions for the band to detox from their severe drug addictions, which informed the lyrics of songs like "Porpoise Head" and "Tahitian Moon". Recording took place at Shangri-La in Malibu, California.

LeNoble left the band before recording completed due to drug addiction and clashes with Farrell, who was growing increasingly paranoid from crack cocaine use. LeNoble was frustrated with the business structure of Porno for Pyros, set up as a company with Farrell as the sole owner, thus depriving the other band members of publishing rights. LeNoble was hospitalised after he left due to the severity of his drug addiction.

Porno for Pyros went on a hiatus shortly after the tour (featuring Watt on bass) promoting the album's release due to guitarist Peter DiStefano cancer diagnosis. They were set to reform in 2019 to perform at singer Farrell's birthday celebration, but those plans were scrapped due to the COVID-19 pandemic. The Good God's Urge-era lineup of Farrell, DiStefano, Perkins, and Watt performed in 2020 as part of a Lollapalooza webcast, and in 2022 as part of the Welcome to Rockville festival.

Critical reception
Trouser Press wrote that "while he helpfully turns the attack down to an alluringly cool semi-acoustic breeze on parts of Good God’s Urge, Farrell can’t improve his obnoxious personality, which renders the album another love-it/hate- it proposition." The New York Times wrote that "the music gets atmospheric, experimental and interesting." CMJ New Music Monthly called the record "more pleasantly stoned than the first album."

Band

 * Perry Farrell: Vocals, percussion, samples, harp, keyboards
 * Peter DiStefano: Guitars, samples, backing vocals
 * Martyn LeNoble: Bass (tracks 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10)
 * Stephen Perkins: Drums, percussion, samples, backing vocals

Additional musicians

 * Thomas Johnson: Samples and sounds, keyboards (track 2)
 * David J: Bass (1)
 * Mike Watt: Bass (2, 6)
 * Flea: Bass (9)
 * Daniel Ash: Guitar (1)
 * Kevin Haskins: Samples (1)
 * Dave Navarro: Guitar intro (9)
 * Matt Hyde: Intro slide guitar (3), samples (8), slide guitar (10)
 * Lili Haydn: Violin (2)
 * Ralf Rickert: Trumpet (2)
 * Leo Chelyapov: Clarinet (7)
 * John Flannery: Space guitar intro and chorus (9), backing vocals and trash can (6)
 * Josh "Bagel" Klassman: Backing vocals (9)
 * Christine Cagle: Backing vocals (6, 9)
 * Shawn London: Backing Vocals (6)
 * Kimberly Juarez: Backing Vocals (2)

Production

 * Dave Collins: mastering
 * John Eder: photography

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Correcting the titles of two songs
The title of the album track no.2 should be "100 Ways", not "100 Way". Also, the precise title of the track no. 6 is "Good God's://Urge!" (original spelling by the artist). I corrected both titles. Reference to the album: (see zoomed album back cover photos).Ronniesafarov (talk) 08:18, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

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Season pass (video games)

A season pass is a form of video game monetization in which consumers purchase a discounted package for current and future downloadable content (DLC) packs for a video game atop its base cost. A game may have a single season pass or, for some lifestyle games, new season passes over time. The name originates from the concept of a season ticket for sports (although more akin to acquiring the box set of a season from a TV series). First introduced around 2011, the use of season passes became commonplace among triple-A and mobile game publishers by the end of the 2010s. Season passes can be controversial because the contents of a season pass are not fully itemized beforehand or may not contain all planned DLC, with some instances of season passes being called scams by the gaming press.

Approach
Season passes may be available to purchase alongside the game prior to its release, or may be available after the game's release. Once purchased, the player gains all content that has been released to date under that season pass and eligible for future, unannounced content. Many season passes state the type of content that players will get even though the exact content may be unknown at the time.

Season passes may cover all planned expansion content for a game and represents a one-time purchase. In other cases, season passes cover the content of a game for a limited period of time, on the order of months to years, which allow the developer to continue to add more content in lieu of developing a wholly new title as to continue to draw in revenue. For example, Ubisoft's Rainbow Six Siege has used annual season passes that give players that purchase them access to new playable characters ("operators"), maps, weapons, and game modes. Some of these elements can be obtained by players without a season pass, using in-game credits, while other content remains exclusive to those with the pass. Ubisoft has considered this a better approach for players rather than developing a sequel. Similarly, Destiny 2 used an annual pass model for its second year of content, providing players with access to exclusive content through three DLC drops over the course of the year; for the game's third year, they switched to a season pass model, with each season's seasonal pass available to purchase à la carte. For some games with recurring season passes, content from older passes may become integrated into the base game at no additional cost.

History
One of the first season passes in video games was used by Rockstar Games with L.A. Noire in 2011. Later the same month, Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment continued the trend with Mortal Kombat, Electronic Arts released their EA Sports Season Ticket in August 2011. By the mid 2010s, season passes had become common in AAA games. By the end of the decade, season passes continued to be offered for many games, although some publishers began to forgo offering them in favor of free DLC due to the negative publicity created by their announcement shortly after release. The rising popularity of loot boxes also played a role in the decreasing popularity of the season pass, although the gaming press has speculated that this may result in less post-release content overall.

Controversy
Season passes have been criticized for being anti-consumer, as they psychologically pressure customers to spend more money. It is also impossible to know if they are worth buying since they cannot be reviewed until they are released, and the discounts they offer are sometimes offset by poor-quality content that the player would otherwise not have bought. Additionally, if a game performs poorly in the market, the prices of the DLC for it can fall faster than any discount people would have received by immediately buying its season pass.

Andrew Reiner of Game Informer called some season passes "scams coming from money-hungry corporations" because so little information is divulged that consumers can be subject to bait-and-switch tactics, like using a lower-quality studio to develop the content, or delaying the content's release significantly.

GamesRadar+ criticized multiplayer season passes as splitting the community of online games, praising games that had instituted a different model that was more dependent on cosmetic DLC rather than downloadable maps, such as For Honor and Titanfall 2. Shacknews criticized a number of games for having disappointing season passes, such as Evolve and Aliens: Colonial Marines.

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Li Fang-Kuei

Li Fang-Kuei (20 August 1902 – 21 August 1987) was a Chinese linguist known for his studies of the varieties of Chinese, his reconstructions of Old Chinese and Proto-Tai, and his documentation of Dene languages in North America.

Biography
Li Fang-Kuei was born on 20 August 1902 in Guangzhou during the final years of the Qing dynasty to a minor scholarly family from Xiyang, a small town in Shanxi roughly 50 km south of Yangquan. Li's father Li Guangyu received his imperial examination degree in 1880, and served in minor official posts in the late 19th to early 20th century.

Li was one of the first Chinese people to study linguistics outside China. Originally a student of medicine, he switched to linguistics when he went to the United States in 1924. He earned a BA in linguistics at the University of Michigan in 1926 after only two years of study. He then did graduate study under Edward Sapir at the University of Chicago, where he was Sapir's first graduate student. From Sapir he learned phonetics, field methods, and American Indian languages. Sapir also encouraged him to study East and Southeast Asian languages, leading to his work on Thai and Sino-Tibetan. Li was also a student of Leonard Bloomfield at this time, from whom Li learned Germanic linguistics and textual analysis. Li also studied Indo-European linguistics, especially Greek and Latin, from Carl Darling Buck at Chicago, and in 1928 Buck secured a 6-month fellowship at Harvard University for him, where he studied Sanskrit and Tibetan.

Li conducted field studies of the indigenous languages of the Americas. His first exposure to fieldwork was his study of the Mattole language of northern California. He received an MA in 1927 and a PhD in 1928. His dissertation Mattole: An Athabaskan Language was published in 1930. Following the completion of his PhD, Li traveled to Europe during 1928–1929 with letters of recommendation from Franz Boas, and visited linguists there including Walter Simon. Li also spent 3 months in 1929 in Canada's Northwest Territories, living on an island in the middle of the Mackenzie River conducting fieldwork on the Hare language.

After his fieldwork on Hare, in 1929 he returned to China and, along with Y. R. Chao and Luo Changpei, became a researcher at the Institute of History and Philology of the Academia Sinica then located at Beijing. From this point on, he performed field studies of several Tai languages, including the Longzhou and Wuming dialects spoken by the Zhuang people, while at the same time conducting deep investigations into Old Chinese and Tibetan. Li's revisions of Bernhard Karlgren's reconstructions of Middle Chinese and Old Chinese were widely used by students of ancient Chinese from their publication in the 1970s until the late 1990s.

Li taught Chinese language and linguistics at Yale University from 1938 to 1939, and after World War II taught at Harvard University from 1946 to 1948. During the same period he was working on a dictionary at the Harvard–Yenching Institute, followed by another year teaching at Yale from 1948 to 1949, where his students included Nicholas Bodman. In 1949, he became professor of Chinese at the University of Washington, where he taught from 1949 to 1969, after which he taught at the University of Hawaiʻi until his retirement in 1974. In 1977, he published a comparative reconstruction of Tai languages, the result of more than forty years of research. He also worked at Academia Sinica, now in Taiwan, in 1973.

Li died in San Mateo County, California, survived by his wife Xu Ying and their daughter Lindy Li Mark, a professor of anthropology who taught at California State University, Hayward and the Chinese University of Hong Kong, as well as their son Peter Li and daughter Annie Li. His alma mater Tsinghua University began to publish his complete works in 2005.

Selected works

 * Li Fang-Kuei. Mattole: An Athabaskan Language. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1930. 152 pages.
 * ——— (1933). "Certain Phonetic Influences of the Tibetan Prefixes upon the Root Initials". Bulletin of the Institute of History and Philology 6.2: 135–157.
 * ——— (1956a). "The Inscriptions of the Sino-Tibetan Treaty of 821–822". T'oung p'ao 44: 1–99.
 * ——— (1972), "Language and Dialects in China". Free China Review XXII, No. 5.
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 * ——— (1979) "The Chinese Transcription of Tibetan Consonant Clusters". Bulletin of the Institute of History and Philology Academia Sinica 50: 231–240.
 * ——— and W. South Coblin (1987). A study of the old Tibetan inscriptions. (Special publications 91.) Taipei: Academia Sinica.
 * Interviews conducted by Ning-Ping Chan and Randy La Polla, with an Introduction by George Taylor.
 * ——— and W. South Coblin (1987). A study of the old Tibetan inscriptions. (Special publications 91.) Taipei: Academia Sinica.
 * Interviews conducted by Ning-Ping Chan and Randy La Polla, with an Introduction by George Taylor.

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