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Phosphatidylinositol

Phosphatidylinositol or inositol phospholipid is a biomolecule. It was initially called "inosite" when it was discovered by Léon Maquenne and Johann Joseph von Scherer in the late 19th century. It was discovered in bacteria but later also found in eukaryotes, and was found to be a signaling molecule.

The biomolecule can exist in 9 different isomers. It is a lipid which contains a phosphate group, two fatty acid chains, and one inositol sugar molecule. Typically, the phosphate group has a negative charge (at physiological pH values). As a result, the molecule is amphiphilic.

The production of the molecule is limited to the endoplasmic reticulum.

History of phospatidylinositol
Phosphatidylinositol (PI) and its derivatives have a rich history dating back to their discovery by Johann Joseph von Scherer and Léon Maquenne  in the late 19th century. Initially known as "inosite" based on its sweet taste, the isolation and characterization of inositol laid the groundwork for understanding its cyclohexanol structure. Théodore Posternak's work further elucidated the configuration of myo-inositol,  the principal form found in eukaryotic tissues. The study of inositol isomers and their physiological functions has revealed a complex interplay in various organisms.

The esterified presence of inositol in lipids, particularly PI, was first observed in bacteria and later confirmed in eukaryotic organisms by researchers like Clinton Ballou and Dan Brown. Their pioneering work established the structure of PI and its phosphorylated forms, shedding light on their roles as signaling molecules. Despite the complexity of inositol nomenclature and isomerism, modern research has greatly advanced the understanding of their diverse functions in cellular physiology and signaling pathways.

The discovery of PI and its derivatives, along with their intricate roles in cellular signaling, marks a significant chapter in the field of biochemistry. From early investigations into inositol's structure to the identification of its various isomers and their physiological functions, the study of inositol compounds continues to uncover new insights into cellular processes.

Structure and chemistry
Phosphatidylinositol (PI), also known as inositol phospholipid, is a lipid composed of a phosphate group, two fatty acid chains, and one inositol molecule. It belongs to the class of phosphatidylglycerides and is typically found as a minor component on the cytosolic side of eukaryotic cell membranes. The phosphate group imparts a negative charge to the molecules at physiological pH.

PI can exist in nine different forms, myo-, scyllo-, muco-, epi-, neo-, allo-, D-chiro-, L-chiro-, and cis-inositol. These isomers are common in biology and have many functions, for example taste sensory, regulating phosphate levels, metabolic flux, transcription, mRNA export and translation, insulin signaling, embryonic development and stress response. Cis-inositol is the only isomer not found naturally in nature.

PI exhibits an amphiphilic nature, with both polar and non-polar regions, due to its glycerophospholipid structure containing a glycerol backbone, two non-polar fatty acid tails, and a phosphate group substituted with an inositol polar head group.

Phosphoinositides
Phosphorylated forms of phosphatidylinositol (PI) are called phosphoinositides and play important roles in lipid signaling, cell signaling and membrane trafficking. The inositol ring can be phosphorylated by a variety of kinases on the three, four and five hydroxyl groups in seven different combinations. However, the two and six hydroxyl groups are typically not phosphorylated due to steric hindrance.

All seven variations of the following phosphoinositides have been found in animals:

Phosphatidylinositol monophosphates:
 * Phosphatidylinositol 3-phosphate, also known as PtdIns3P or PI(3)P
 * Phosphatidylinositol 4-phosphate, also known as PtdIns4P or PI(4)P
 * Phosphatidylinositol 5-phosphate, also known as PtdIns5P or PI(5)P

Phosphatidylinositol bisphosphates:
 * Phosphatidylinositol 3,4-bisphosphate, also known as PtdIns(3,4)P2 or PI(3,4)P2
 * Phosphatidylinositol 3,5-bisphosphate, also known as PtdIns(3,5)P2 or PI(3,5)P2
 * Phosphatidylinositol 4,5-bisphosphate, also known as PtdIns(4,5)P2, PI(4,5)P2 or often simply referred to as PIP2

Phosphatidylinositol trisphosphate:
 * Phosphatidylinositol 3,4,5-trisphosphate, also known as PtdIns(3,4,5)P3 or PI(3,4,5)P3

These phosphoinositides are also found in plant cells, with the exception of PIP3.

Hydrolysis
The significance of phosphatidylinositol (PI) metabolism lies in its role as a potential transducing mechanism, evident from studies showing hormone and neurotransmitter-induced hydrolysis of PI. The hydrolysis starts with the enzyme PI 4-kinase alpha (PI4Kα) converting PI into PI 4-phosphate (PI4P), which is then converted into PI (4,5) biphosphate (PI(4,5)P2) by the enzyme PI 4-phosphate-5-kinase (PI4P5K). PI(4,5)P2 is then hydrolysed by phospholipase C (PLC) and forms the second messengers, inositol (1,4,5) triphosphate (IP3) and diacylglycerol (DG). DG is then phosphyrylated to phosphatidic acid (PA) by DG kinase (DGK). PA is also directly produced from phosphatidylcholine (PC) by phospholipase D (PLD). Lipid transfer proteins facilitate the exchange of PI and PA between membranes, ensuring its availability for receptor mechanisms on the plasma membrane, even in organelles like mitochondria incapable of PI synthesis.

Biosynthesis
The synthesis of Phosphatidylinositol (PI) is limited to the Endoplasmatic Reticulum (ER), which is the largest membrane componement of the cell. This site also contributes the synthesis to the majority of phospholipids, namely phosphatidylcholine (PC), phosphatidylethanolamine (PE), phosphatidylserine (PS) and triacylglycerol (TG). The synthesis involves a series of enzymatic reactions.

The biosynthesis and phosphorylation of PI is mainly confined to the cytosolic facing surface of organelles by already residential kinases, but not at the ER spesifically. De novo PI synthesis of PI starts with an acylated process of Glyceraldehyde-3-phosphate (G-3-P) by GPAT enzymes at the sn-1 acyl chain position. The process is then followed by a second acylation with LPAAT1, LPAAT2 and LPAAT3, LPAAT enzymes, at the sn-2 acyl chain position. This double step process acylates G-3-P to phosphatidic acid (PA).

PA is converted into the intermediate CDP- diacylglycerol (CDP-DG) by a process called CDP-diaglycerol synthase. This synthesis is catalyzed by the use of CDS1 and CDS2, CDS- enzymes. In the final enzymatic process, CDP-DG and inositol are catalyzed by the enzyme PI synthase (PIS) and synthesised into PI.

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Glenfield, New Zealand

Glenfield (Te Wairau) is a suburb of Auckland, New Zealand, located on the North Shore. Established as a rural community in the 1850s, the area developed as a suburban part of Auckland after the completion of the Auckland Harbour Bridge in 1959.

Etymology

The name Mayfield was first associated with the area in the late 19th century. Before this, settlers considered the area rural sections of Takapuna, Birkenhead or Northcote. The name was first used in an advertisement by R. Arthur, a landowner who subdivided 250 acres of land in 1883. The name was adopted by residents for the school and area in 1890, referring to the blossoming white mānuka bushes that residents felt were reminiscent of springtime (i.e. May) in England. In 1912, local residents petitioned the post office to change the name of the area to Glenfield. Until this point, the post office used the name Freemans, referring to John Freeman, the homeowner who operated the post office from his home from 1888. The post office had refused to use the name Mayfield, due to potential confusion with Mayfield in the Canterbury Region.

The first name on early colonial maps associated with the area is Opuawananga, which refers to puawānanga, a native species of clematis. The name was used to refer to an inland bush area of the North Shore where puawānanga grew, which early European settlers called Quick's Bush. In 2013, Glenfield College adopted the name Te Puawānanga for the school's whare wānanga.

Geography
Glenfield is a suburb of the North Shore of New Zealand. It is located between the Kaipātiki Creek, a tributary of Oruamo or Hellyers Creek, and the Wairau Valley. The highest point in the suburb is a hill between Colin Wild Place and Chivalry Road, which reaches a height of 83 m above sea level.

The area is primarily formed from Early Miocene Waitemata Group sandstone and mudstone. Prior to human settlement, the area was a kauri and mixed podocarp forest, which by the 19th century developed into a mānuka-dominated scrubland.

Areas within Glenfield include Marlborough, an area of south-eastern Glenfield that developed in the 1960s and early 1970s on the site of Alex Anderson's former farm, and Glenfield North.

Māori history

Māori settlement of the Auckland Region began around the 13th or 14th centuries. The North Shore was settled by Tāmaki Māori, including people descended from the Tainui migratory canoe and ancestors of figures such as Taikehu and Peretū. Many of the early Tāmaki Māori people of the North Shore identified as Ngā Oho,

The poor clay soils of the area were not suitable for Māori traditional gardening techniques, meaning Glenfield was not as densely settled as other areas of the North Shore, such as the Upper Waitematā Harbour eastern shores or the Devonport-Takapuna areas. The forests of the inland North Shore were a place where berries were harvested.

Archaeological middens have been found on the shores of the Kaipātiki Creek, and Manuka Road was originally an ara (traditional path) linking Oruamo or Hellyers Creek to the central North Shore.

The warrior Maki migrated from the Kāwhia Harbour to his ancestral home in the Auckland Region, likely sometime in the 17th century. Maki conquered and unified many the Tāmaki Māori tribes as Te Kawerau ā Maki, including those of the North Shore. After Maki's death, his sons settled different areas of his lands, creating new hapū. His younger son Maraeariki settled the North Shore and Hibiscus Coast, who based himself at the head of the Ōrewa River. Maraeariki's daughter Kahu succeeded him, and she is the namesake of the North Shore, Te Whenua Roa o Kahu ("The Greater Lands of Kahu"), Many of the iwi of the North Shore, including Ngāti Manuhiri, Ngāti Maraeariki, Ngāti Kahu, Ngāti Poataniwha, Ngāi Tai ki Tāmaki and Ngāti Whātua, can trace their lineage to Kahu.

During the early 1820s, most Māori of the North Shore fled for the Waikato or Northland due to the threat of war parties during the Musket Wars. When Tāmaki Māori returned in greater numbers to the Auckland Region in the mid-1830s, Te Kawerau ā Maki focused settlement at Te Henga / Bethells Beach.

Early European settlement

One of the earliest land sales to European settlers in Auckland took place near Glenfield on 17 April 1837, when Ngāti Whātua rangatira Nanihi and Tuire sold Te Pukapuka, a 320 acre block to American whaler William Webster, at the north-eastern headwaters of Oruamo or Hellyers Creek, near Bayview. Webster on-sold the land to Thomas Hellyer on 13 October 1840, who established the Retreat, a house which included a kauri sawpit, a hut, and a workshop. The Retreat became well known among sailors, who would stop at the Retreat for fresh water and beer from the Retreat's brewhouse. On 22 December 1841, Hellyer's body was discovered at the Retreat, and while an investigation took place, no person was convicted of his murder.

Glenfield was a part of the Mahurangi Block, which was purchased by the New Zealand Government in 1841. In the 1850s, the first European settlers in Glenfield developed orchards and dairy farms, including the Mackay and McFetridge families. The surrounding areas were worked by gum diggers, from 1859 up until the 1920s. Gum diggers would regularly set fire to the mānuka scrubland, in order to more easily locate kauri gum.

Windy Ridge was one of the first areas of inland Glenfield by European settlers, when Terence and Elizabeth Crook purchased 569 acres north of Coronation Road, known as Gooches Corner. The section was later farmed by Minnie Gracie and her husband Arthur Moore Gracie.

Rural community

In the latter 19th and early 20th centuries, the main connection to the outside world were bush tracks. Fruit and farm produce would be carried along tracks and horse carriages to Northcote and Birkenhead, then on to Auckland markets by ferry.

Glenfield developed as a rural community centred on Mayfield Road in the 1880s, developing after major improvements were made to the road at Aranui Bluff / Cut Hill in 1885. By 1889, 24 cottages were built in the area surrounding Cut Hill, and a kauri gum store was established at the junction of Sunset and Glenfield roads in the 1890s. By this time, the name Mayfield had become associated with the area. Dairy farms located in rural Glenfield supplied milk to Auckland, and the farms north of Glenfield specialised in supplying cream.

In 1888, the first post office was established at Glenfield, named Freemans after John Freeman's residence on the corner of Kaipatiki Road. In 1890, the New Zealand Hydropathic and Fruit Hospital was established at Glenfield, as a facility that treated conditions such as rheumatic gout, hysteria, dropsy, diabetes and constipation through treatments such as vegan diets and therapeutic baths.

In 1891, Mayfield School was opened, becoming a social centre for the growing area. Events such as card nights and concerts were held at the school in the 1900s, and residents complained of events where alcohol was consumed, which often left the school in a poor state, and was seen as causing rowdy behaviour and mayhem in the community. In 1912, the area was officially renamed Glenfield, due to issues the post office had with the name Mayfield being confused with Mayfield in the Canterbury Region.

On 4 September 1915, the local community constructed Mission Hall in a single day. The hall was a shared religious space used by local Anglican, Methodist and Presbyterian communities. By the 1920s, the first store was established on Glenfield Road, as well as two brickworks, which closed in the 1930s. By the late 1920s motorcars were becoming more popular than horses for transportation in Glenfield.

In the 1920s, local resident James Mackay discovered the Captain Cook strawberry variety at his land at Cooks Beach. The variety was smaller and sweeter than previously popular varieties, and from 1929 Glenfield growers invested in this strawberry crop. The Captain Cook strawberry became the most popular strawberry variety in the Auckland Region for the next few decades.

The Glenfield War Memorial Hall, first called for in the 1900s as a substitute for the school hall, was finally built in 1934. The hall hosted major social events, including elaborate coronation balls.

Suburbanisation

The opening of the Auckland Harbour Bridge in 1959 led to rapid suburbanisation of Glenfield. After Glenfield was declared a county town in 1961, the population grew from 5,683 to 13,335 in 1966. Most of the suburb was developed in the 1960s, with the western areas of Glenfield developing into suburban housing later on.

With a rapidly increasingly population, the Waitemata County Council decided to establish a rubbish dump on reclaimed land in the Oruamo or Hellyers Creek foreshore in 1969. The plans were widely protested by residents, and were scarpered after the New Zealand Airforce, who insisted that no landfills could be located within one nautical mile of the RNZAF Base at Whenuapai or the RNZAF Station Hobsonville.

Glenfield was one of the most rapidly developing areas of New Zealand in the early 1970s. On 9 December 1971, in response to fears about commercial sprawl down the length of Glenfield Road, Glenfield Mall opened. It was the first shopping mall on the North Shore. The Glenfield Library was constructed in 1975.

In 2000, Glenfield Mall was redeveloped as a more modern shopping centre.

Notable people

 * James K. Baxter, author and poet. While not a resident, Baxter died in Glenfield in October 1972.
 * Janet Frame, author who lived in Glenfield in the 1970s
 * Rachel Hunter, model who was raised in Glenfield

Amenities

 * Southern Cross Hospital North Harbour, a privately owned hospital, is in Wairau Road.
 * Agincourt Reserve, home to the Marlborough Kindergarten and North Shore Woodturners Guild, established in 1984.
 * Marlborough Park, a suburban park which features playgrounds, the Marlborough Park Tennis Club, and the Marlborough Park Skate Park, which opened in 2020. It the home of Kaipātiki Community Trust and Marlborough Park Hall.

Education
Glenfield College, founded in 1969, is a secondary (years 9–13) school with a roll of students. Glenfield Intermediate, founded in 1972, is an intermediate (years 7–8) school with students. Glenfield Primary School, founded in 1959, is a contributing primary (years 1–6) school with a roll of. Marlborough Primary School is a coeducational contributing primary (years 1–6) school with a decile rating of 7 and a roll of 274, and Windy Ridge School is a coeducational contributing primary school (years 1–6), with a decile rating of 7 and a roll of 198, which includes two satellite classes from Wilson School for students with intellectual or physical disabilities. All schools are coeducational. Rolls are as of

The South Seas Film, Television, and Animation school is in Glenfield.

Sport
Glenfield is home to Glenfield RFC, who are a member of the North Harbour Rugby Union, and Glenfield Rovers, who compete in the Lotto Sport Italia NRFL Division 1B. The Glenfield Greyhounds rugby league club are based in nearby Sunnynook.

Demographics
Glenfield covers 4.72 km2 and had an estimated population of as of  with a population density of undefined PD/km2.

Glenfield had a population of 16,872 at the 2018 New Zealand census, an increase of 1,458 people (9.5%) since the 2013 census, and an increase of 2,502 people (17.4%) since the 2006 census. There were 5,286 households, comprising 8,397 males and 8,472 females, giving a sex ratio of 0.99 males per female, with 2,913 people (17.3%) aged under 15 years, 4,245 (25.2%) aged 15 to 29, 7,896 (46.8%) aged 30 to 64, and 1,821 (10.8%) aged 65 or older.

Ethnicities were 43.3% European/Pākehā, 6.9% Māori, 4.7% Pasifika, 48.9% Asian, and 4.8% other ethnicities. People may identify with more than one ethnicity.

The percentage of people born overseas was 55.0, compared with 27.1% nationally.

Although some people chose not to answer the census's question about religious affiliation, 43.0% had no religion, 39.5% were Christian, 0.3% had Māori religious beliefs, 4.9% were Hindu, 2.3% were Muslim, 2.9% were Buddhist and 2.3% had other religions.

Of those at least 15 years old, 4,509 (32.3%) people had a bachelor's or higher degree, and 1,551 (11.1%) people had no formal qualifications. 2,052 people (14.7%) earned over $70,000 compared to 17.2% nationally. The employment status of those at least 15 was that 7,503 (53.8%) people were employed full-time, 1,941 (13.9%) were part-time, and 507 (3.6%) were unemployed.

Local government
The North Shore Highway District was the first local government body in Glenfield. Commencing operation in 1868, the district administered projects including roads from Birkenhead north to the Okura River. From 1876, the area was administered by the Waitemata County, a large rural county north and west of the city of Auckland. In 1961, Glenfield became a county town within the Waitemata County, led by chairman Stan Compton until his death in 1965, and later by Arthur Gibbons.

On 1 August 1974, the Waitemata County was dissolved, and Glenfield was incorporated into Takapuna City. In 1989, Glenfield was merged into the North Shore City. North Shore City was amalgamated into Auckland Council in November 2010.

Within the Auckland Council, Glenfield is a part of the Kaipātiki local government area governed by the Kaipātiki Local Board. It is a part of the North Shore ward, which elects two councillors to the Auckland Council.

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Priscilla Lopez

Priscilla Lopez is an American singer, dancer, and actress. She is perhaps best known for creating the role of Diana Morales in A Chorus Line. She has had the distinction of appearing in two Broadway landmarks: one of its greatest hits, the highly acclaimed, long-running A Chorus Line, and, as a teenager, in one of its biggest flops, the infamous musical version of Breakfast at Tiffany's, which closed before opening night.

Early life
Lopez was born in the Bronx, New York to Francisco Lopez, a hotel banquet foreman and Laura (née Candelaria), who had moved to New York from their native Puerto Rico.

Broadway
Lopez graduated from Manhattan's High School of Performing Arts, where she majored in drama; her experiences as a drama student are depicted in the musical A Chorus Line. Had Tiffany's survived, it would have marked her debut on Broadway, but the production was plagued with so many problems that its creative team deemed it impossible to fix. From there, she moved on to Henry, Sweet Henry, which lasted only two months at the end of 1967, when she was 19 years old. Her luck was no better the following year when Her First Roman lasted two weeks.

A Chorus Line (1975) had Lopez portraying Diana Morales, a character patterned after herself. She introduced the hit song "What I Did for Love", and sang "Nothing", a song about a disastrously unsupportive drama class at the High School of Performing Arts.

In A Day in Hollywood / A Night in the Ukraine (1980), Lopez stepped out of the ensemble and into the spotlight, displaying her comedic and vocal skills. The show had two acts, first a mini-musical about the early days of movie making, by Dick Vosburgh and Frank Lazarus with additional material by Jerry Herman, and second a send-up of the slapstick Marx Brothers movies, with Lopez playing Harpo. Both she and the show received rave reviews; it ran nearly a year-and-a-half, and she earned a Tony Award for Best Featured Actress in a Musical. In 1982, Tommy Tune, with whom she had worked in Hollywood/Ukraine, hired her as his assistant on Nine, the musical version of the Federico Fellini film 8½. Midway through the run, she joined the cast taking over for Tony-winner Liliane Montevecchi in the role of Liliane La Fleur. Lopez also appeared on Broadway in the critically acclaimed play Anna in the Tropics in 2003. From 2008 to 2011, Lopez appeared as Camilla in the Broadway production of In the Heights. She took over the role of Berthe in the revival of Pippin from Annie Potts on July 22, 2014 through August 31 2014.

Off-Broadway
Her off-Broadway credits include Other People's Money, Key Exchange, Extremities, The Oldest Profession, Beauty of the Father and Class Mothers '68, for which she was nominated for a Drama Desk Award as Best Actress. She was featured in the City Center Encores! production of Babes in Arms.

In 2021, Lopez was featured as Mabel in the internet musical Ratatouille: The Tiktok Musical, referencing both "Nothing" and "What I Did For Love" with alternated lyrics for the character and situation. Lopez starred in The Gardens of Anuncia, a musical by Michael John LaChiusa about the life of Graciela Daniele, portraying the older version of Daniele.

Television
Lopez starred as a liberal nun in an unsuccessful Norman Lear series In the Beginning with McLean Stevenson in 1978. She had a guest role on the ABC drama Family, starring Kristy McNichol and Sada Thompson; she played Buddy's (McNichol) dance friend in the disco episodes. In 1983, she was the voice of Herself the Elf in the animated TV special The Magic of Herself the Elf. She had a key role in the short-lived 1986 medical drama Kay O'Brien. In 1993, Lopez starred in the television movie For the Love of My Child: The Anissa Ayala Story, in which she played a mother who, along with her husband, conceives a child to provide a suitable bone-marrow donor for their older daughter. Other television work includes L.A. Law, Law & Order, All in the Family, Trapper John, M.D., Cosby, and B Positive. In 2021, she portrayed Abuela Sofia in the Disney Channel Original Movie, Christmas...Again?!.

Film
She had a brief role in Center Stage, and she appeared in Maid in Manhattan playing the mother of Jennifer Lopez's character, and had a role in the film version of the long-running off-Broadway hit Tony n' Tina's Wedding. She appeared in the film Musical Chairs as the disapproving mother of E.J. Bonilla's character.

Awards and nominations

 * Awards
 * 1976 Obie Award - A Chorus Line
 * 1976 Theatre World Special Award Ensemble Performance Award - A Chorus Line
 * 1980 Tony Award for Best Featured Actress in a Musical - A Day in Hollywood / A Night in the Ukraine
 * 2002 Rita Moreno HOLA Award for Excellence from the Hispanic Organization of Latin Actors.

 * Nominations
 * 1976 Tony Award for Best Featured Actress in a Musical - A Chorus Line

Personal life
Lopez is married to Vincent Fanuele; they have two children, Alex and Gabriella.

Filmography
Maid in Manhattan 2002

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What about Congruent to, as opposed to equal to? --Svippong 13:33, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Congruent to tends to mean something geometric--Relational operators aren't geometric --223ankher 23:35, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

 * For instance in PHP among other languages, === is sometimes used: if ($var===true) or if($var!==true). Or am I missing the correct naming? -- [ Svippong - Talk ]  22:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

 * What's up with  "x == 0" is always false (as PHP, like other languages, equate 0 to false)  ? Any links to back it up? -- Jokes Free4Me (talk) 15:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently, this page seems to indicate the exact opposite. But the point is x==0 is true for more than just x being 0, also for x being "0" or false.  Let me fix that. --Svippong 15:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

does alpha equivients belong in this article?
eq, le, lt, etc... ? Bytebear 05:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge [[
]] (or "eqeq") here== The article "==" is a horrible name for an article. (I had to create a redirect named "eqeq" to the article in order to use the mergefrom template, which is why you don't see "==" there). It would seem reasonable to merge most of the content into this article. + m t  01:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. + m t  02:26, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Merge Comparison operator here
Table 6.1 (page177) of "C Primer Plus" 4th Ed. by Stephen Prata tells me these are "Relational Operators". The Comparison operator article has almost identical information to this article, and also has fewer links. Merge? + m t  02:26, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. + m t  18:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Relational vs Equality
Most programming languages distinguish between relational and equality operations. The relational article might call out that equality is sometimes viewed as a special case of relational, I think it is worthwhile having two articles (I agree the == is a horrible title).

Both articles do need more work. Derek farn 19:38, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Can you cite any sources that specifically distinguish "relational operators" and "equality operators"? My sources lump these into one table and call them:
 * "relational operators" ("C Primer Plus", 4th Ed., Stephen Prata; "FORTRAN 77 Programming", 2nd Ed., T.M.R. Ellis; "Practical C++ Programming", Steve Oualline)
 * "comparison relations" ("Writing Excel Macros with VBA", 2nd Ed., Steven Roman)
 * "relational expressions" ("Fortran 90 For Engineers and Scientists", L.R. Nyhoff and S.C. Leestma),
 * "relationship operators" ("Access 2003 Bible", Cary, Irwin, and Reardon)
 * "comparison operator" ("Learning Python" 2nd Ed., Lutz and Ascher; "Handbook of Mathematics and Computational Science", Harris and Stocker; "Using JavaScript", Paul McFedries)
 * I think we can agree these terms are describing the same types of binary operators (with grey area on "identity" operators). Now as far as splitting "equals" from the other "inequalities" (≠,≤,≥,<,>), is this what you are suggesting? These are all similar binary operators, and I think that it would be beneficial to describe them all in a single article—just as the sources I pointed out had done. Could you describe any benefits by having two articles? (Also hold on any editing until this is cleared, as I was in the process of improving parts of the article that I'd rather not loose or have to merge.) + m t  21:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * To get down to this level of detail you need to look at the specification of various programming languages. The ISO programming standards committee web pageis a good place to start.  This don't have the final version of the standards, but there are various drafts available (I have a Fortran draft called 06-007r1.pdf and an Ada document called RM-Final.pdf, search for WG14/N1124 to find a C draft).  I would be tempted to merge the two concepts into a single article were it not for the various different concepts of equality that exist (check out the specification of the Scheme language for details; this supports equality in terms of two pointers being equal, two pointers being unequal but the pointed to objection being equal, and two pointers being unequal but the pointed to linked list being the same).  There is also the somewhat surprising (at least initially) behavior of some floating-point values (eg, +0 and -0 comparing equal, relational operations on NaN always failing, etc). Derek farn 00:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Granted that yes, the equality operator can be complicated, I think that these can be briefly discussed within a section of this article. The overall goal for any article is to strive for simplicity, and indeed all the references I have discuss these operators in the same table/section. I understand what you are saying about the numerical and identiy concepts of equality, however, there is very little mention of identity equality in my version (current-1), and I was planning to expand this a bit more to bring light to the difference with the numerical equality operator. Could I then suggest that this article be about the relational operators in the context of the magnitudes of numbers (including equality in the sense of 5==5, along with 5>=5, 6>5, etc.)? A different article can be created that deals with the equality in a non-magnitude sense, such as addresses and objects. I would expect this article to be more detailed, and programming language specific, as your references suggest. Perhaps it could be called Identity operator or Identity relational operator? + m t  03:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the articles are too programming language centric. Perhaps they should be broadened to include mathematics.  With regard to the type of the values being compared, I think character sequences do need to be covered.  Unicode has some quite sophisticated rules for comparing character sequences.  I have just double checked my copy of the Fortran Standard and equality is classified as a relational operation :-O.  Why not work on the relational article, leaving the equality article as-is, and see how things pan out?  I suspect that there will be some topics that have a better fit in one than the other. Derek farn 03:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a programming-centric article. The other ones (equality and inequality) deal with the math/logic side just fine. Yes, I see and agree with your cited Fortran standard—as do all the references I pointed out. The content I moved from == needs to go somewhere, so how about here, for now, then let it "pan out" (in regards to non-numerical equality) and possibly split off to a new article. Agree to revert back to the version I had going (which besides the merge, I had added other info)? I'll sort it out so the non-numerical equality stuff so that it is distinct, and could possibly be split off at some point. + m t  04:40, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, to revert my revert. More double checking shows that the post-C languages separate out relational/equality and earlier languages don't (ie, they have fewer levels of precedence). Derek farn 11:28, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Right-O, done ... there might need to be more work on the non-numerical equality stuff, and I think some other things could be mentioned in Identity (object-oriented programming). The +0 vs −0 content should also be included at some point, but I don't know enough about this to add anything substantial (e.g.,  may not   due to floating point things). + m  t  20:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Just a quarry about the doesn't equal sign in print, E.G ≠. Is there an Alt command to use it on my keyboard? 68.205.161.84 17:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No, there isn't. + m t  17:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

"Most shells"
Ok, now let's see if "most shells" use these operators:

 * using these operators:
 * Bourne shell
 * Korn shell
 * Windows PowerShell

 * AFAIK not using these operators:
 * 4DOS, 4OS2, 4NT
 * CANDE MCS
 * CCP
 * cmd.exe (Windows)
 * cmd.exe (OS/2)
 * COMMAND.COM
 * Commodore DOS Wedge
 * DCL
 * DDT
 * EFI-SHELL
 * Macintosh Programmer's Workshop
 * Rexx
 * Windows Recovery Console
 * YouShell
 * Scsh
 * rc
 * most(?) programming language shells (BeanShell, Python shell, Ruby shell)

Ghettoblaster (talk) 22:21, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, okay, I see your point. Now I'm at a bit of a loss as to what to call the category, since Unix-like does not apply for Windows PowerShell (although I see it is influenced by ksh, which is certainly a Unix shell). For now, I've replaced "Most" with "Bourne-like" until a better name comes up. If you can think up something better to describe the family of shells, you can update it. Whatever name is used doesn't really matter a whole lot, since the details are described in the footnote. + m t  23:43, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Object Identity in Pascal
The article states that the expression a^ = b^ in Pascal tests whether a and b are physically equal (same entity) as opposed to structurally equal (same content).

This is not correct. In Pascal the ^ is the pointer dereferencing operator. The expression a^ dereferences pointer a, it returns the value of the target that a points to.

Therefore, the expression a^ = b^ tests whether the target of a has the same value as the target of b.

Even if the expression evaluates true, it does not mean that a and b point to the same target.

Instead, the expression a = b tests whether a and b point to the same target (assuming a and b are pointers).

Thus in Pascal, a = b tests shallow equality if a and b are pointers, it tests deep equality if a and b are not pointers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.160.116.23 (talk) 22:23, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

My banking accounts information
Find all balances and account numbers 99.188.191.33 (talk) 15:49, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

"!=" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=!%3D&redirect=no !=] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. TartarTorte 01:35, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Equality > Usage paragraph
The article states "Equality is used in many programming language constructs and data types. It is used to test if an element already exists in a set, or to access to a value through a key. It is used in switch statements to dispatch the control flow to the correct branch, and during the unification process in logic programming." This is hard for me to understand could this be more elaborated, preferably with examples. In which languages testing if an element is in a set is done with the equal sign? In which languages equality is used to access to(?) a value through a key. etc

And shouldn't it be 'the equality operator is used ...'. BartYgor (talk) 14:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

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User talk:Gamaliel/Archive 2

September to November 2004

"Asses of Evil" in Parody section of Axis of Evil
Just now, I too have deleted the "asses of evil" image. Whoever restores it again will have an RfC filed against them by me. Rex071404 04:23, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Your threats don't particularly mean much to me as you've already leveled about 476 other charges against me. But go ahead and cry wolf some more. Gamaliel [[Image:Cubaflag15.gif]] 04:36, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * It is not a threat, it is a head's up. As you know, unlike an Arb complaint which is punative and RfC is advisory. Notifying the other involved parties that a wider discussion will result, is a way to allow them pause and reconsider how this will look to others. Rex071404 [[Image:Cubaflag15.gif]] 04:40, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

As mentioned earlier today: See RfC here regarding this.

Element Photos GFDL
Finally got some time to update them. All done now... RTC 03:46, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. Most of the images I have placed on were images taken by me with my digital camera. Most are standard images that anyone could go out and re-take. The one of Paul Cullen is for example in the aisle of St. Mary's Pro-Cathedral in Dublin (I am about five minutes walk away from the 'Pro' right now. I could step in and take another shot of the statue!). I don't know which category suits my situation. I suppose I could be regarded as the copyright holder, in which case I wave all claims on them and grant their ownership to the wikipedia community.

Some are adjusted versions of other people's pictures. I chased up owners and all allowed completely free usage (having had the rules regarding images on wikipedia and the implications of allowing images to be used here explained to them) or said that the images were out of copyright or in a tiny minority of cases were of unknown copyright that due to the age of the image was 99.9% to be out of copyright in any case. To be doubly sure I adjusted and cropped some of the images so that they ceased in any way to be identifiable with the original photographs but became basic generic images. In so far as I could be regarded as the copyright holder of these "new" images I again wave any claim to copyright and grant it to wikipedia and the community in perpetuity. I hope that clarifies matters.

BTW lurv the asses of evil stuff above. Oops I suppose that has bme in trouble with Rex too. Boo hoo! FearÉIREANN 17:46, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Rex Not Admin
That was my mistake - I acknowledge it and apologize. 20:17, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * No problem. No harm done. Gamaliel [[Image:Watchmensmiley20.gif]] 20:18, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

David Brock
Hi. I am new to this and am not a registered user yet so do not know another way to send you a comment. This is re: the entries on David Brock & The American Spectator. I am 100% positive the quote from the Brock article on Anita Hill in the magazine is "a bit nutty, and a bit slutty" (actual quote is: "So Hill may be a bit nutty, and a bit slutty, but is she an outright liar?") because I checked it in the original magazine article. I believe the quote is the same in the Real Anita Hill book, but I do not have the book on hand to check so I will not argue that at at this time. It is true that the quote has been widely reportered as having "little" in it, but that error spread uncontrollably in the age of Nexis after Andrew Sullivan and others quoted it incorrectly.

Thank you for your edits! User:207.69.137.201

Support
Thank you very much for your support during my recent run for adminship. You should get on AIM sometime...we're supposed to have a meetup on Saturday and we haven't even fucking decided on a place. It looks like it's going to be us and Jimbo, which is just fine by me. Mike H 03:44, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

 * Hey! Thanks for coming on AIM last night. So I'm talking to Jimbo and everything seems to be a go. This is the generic message I've been posting on other people's talk pages. Enjoy!

Tampa Wikimeet
Pardon the impersonality; I'm pasting this on every Wikiuser's page who lives in eastern Florida. We're scheduling a Wikimeet this Saturday, September 11. Jimbo still has to decide the place but he's looking into Panera Bread locations here in Tampa. Please post on User:Jimbo Wales and tell us if you're interested in coming. Thanks! Mike H 18:38, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

 * Shouldn't that be western Florida? Or do you mean everything east of the panhandle? Gamaliel [[Image:Watchmensmiley20.gif]] 19:22, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm from Pensacola, dude. Western Florida means the panhandle, and don't you forget it. So, can you pick me up? Mike H 04:57, Sep 8, 2004 (UTC)

Rex at it again?
Gamaliel, Rex just reverted your revert. I was generous and gave him 24 hours to responsd precisely to avoid any claim of his that he didn't have enough time. Now, let's assume he uses that 24 hours and then posts a response. OK, fine. But then you and I feel his argument is weak and without merit. He could then just say, "My argument is not weak and without merit. It is upon you to prove otherwise.  Until then, the langauge stays in."

OK, so then we call in a mediator and go through a big rigamoral to get this resolved in a favor. OK, fine. But it doesn't seem fair to me that he can keep making these kinds of edits and force us to jump through a ridiculous number of hoops to prove him wrong.

I'm fairly new to Wikipedia. What do you propose we do? --Nysus 18:31, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, because he pulled this crap in John Kerry, a bunch of us filed this Requests for arbitration/Rex071404 against him, but it took about a month just to get to that point (with the RfC and the argument over mediation, etc.) and he had been acting up a month prior to that. I have no idea when the ArbCom will do anything, if at all, on this matter, though to their infinite credit they did ban Rex from the article until they resolve the matter. I haven't been here all that long myself, and mostly I toiled anonymously and avoided controversial articles until I got drawn into the John Kerry mess, but what I've seen so far of Wiki's conflict resolution methods, I'm not sure I have faith in this site's ability to manage and police trolls like Rex.  I wouldn't suggest that we bother with RfCs, etc. unless you feel like spending a month debating this point.  The best way to counter Rex is strength through consensus.  With a consensus, Rex is outnumbered and can't employ his usual tactic of revert wars effectively.  And of course, patience.  Just laugh him off and don't take him seriously, and remember that any changes he makes can quickly be reversed.  That will have to do until Arb Com finally manages to deal with him.  Gamaliel [[Image:Watchmensmiley20.gif]] 18:47, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Right, I know consensus is definitely the key and have already been working to build it. I guess I'll keep working in that direction.  Thanks.  --Nysus 18:53, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

OK, after seeing Rex's last few edits, my patience is finally beginning to wear thin. Following up on your suggestion to seek out coalitions, I'd like to formally enter into some kind of pact with you to monitor Rex's behavior and fight against his clearly disruptive editing style. This isn't going to be a pleasant task. I'd much rather be writing articles. But I think for the sake of the integrity of the articles we are collaborating on, we have a duty to try to put a stop to his malicious efforts. And we should reach out to others to join us. Hopefully, if he sees that it's not just one person against him but five or six, he will begin to realize his behavior needs to change. Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to attack or "gang up" on Rex. I'm just finally getting tired of trying to reason with him all by myself. As we have seen, the effort leads nowhere. Frankly, if I can't find others to join me, well, I'll probably leave these article behind and starte editing non-controversial stuff like you. But it would be a real shame if I guy like Rex succeeds in putting a stop to our honest attempts to produce good work. --Nysus 01:52, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Please see this petition about Rex here: Talk:Texans_for_Truth --Nysus 02:48, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Killian Memos
Hey, I'm glad to see you and Wolfman intervening to reign in some of the more, uh, enthusiastic contributors at teh Killian memos page. A few days ago, I rather undiplomatically attempted an intervention in the Talk:George W. Bush military service controversy article, which resulted in a great deal of rudeness and my decision not to directly involve myself in this stuff more. But I'm glad to see you trying to keep them honest. john k 22:34, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Thank you. It feels like an uphill battle.  I'm sure not all of them have an agenda, but they don't seem to quite grasp NPOV yet. It's like we're being invaded by the right-wing blogosphere. I do what I can, but I don't quite have the energy for getting into fonts and superscripts yet. Gamaliel [[Image:Watchmensmiley20.gif]] 07:01, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Gamaliel, what is your e-mail or a way outside of WP i can contact you? --kizzle 22:37, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)

 * You can email me this way. Gamaliel [[Image:Watchmensmiley20.gif]] 07:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

If you are going to quote me
Please do so with a reference to the quoting party (in this case you). I refer to this edit by you, which I have deleted. You have been warned. The next stop is an Arbitration request against you. 02:29, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Aside from their minor amusement value, your threats have ceased to interest me after the first half dozen or so. So go ahead, I'm sure that Arb Com would love to waste their time investigating me for having the audacity to quote you. Gamaliel [[Image:Watchmensmiley20.gif]] 06:52, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Stolen Honor Documentary
The full name of Stolen Honor Documentary is a perfectly valid Wiki link. I do not agree that the short name of Stolen Honor is as informative to the readers in regards to telling tham what the link actually goes to. I did not agree to the "redirect" which the other party imposed in creating the new short name and I'd rather not get in any battles to revert that. Instead, where appropriate, I am going to simply use the longer name. This is one fo those appropriate occassions. 15:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Cayetano Garza
I don't understand how I am supposed to make the distiction between his important and unimportant influences. Perhaps some of them don't make sense right now because I have not finished the section on him as a musician (I am still gathering information). I don't see the point of you deleting all of his influences unless you are going to make the decsion on which ones are important and unimporant. If you are not going to do this I think we should revert the list back. I also don't understand why you think that linking to the list of web comics is a invalid see also link. ZaQ 00:56, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Every artist has many many influences, but there are a few which are far more important than others and are usually easy to spot or frequently mentioned. Frank Cho's obvious debt to Berke Breathed and Garry Trudeau's influence upon Berke Breathed are just two examples. But mentioning that Cho was somehow influenced the Beatles or Trudeau feels a debt to Otis Redding is certainly less significant and notable.  A long laundry list of influences doesn't tell the reader anything of note and just takes up space - note that few wikipedia entries have such lengthy lists of names. How does Hendrix or Blake (for example) specifically influence Garza?  Why are they important enough to be mentioned, as opposed to, say Chopin or Watteau?  All that information came from somewhere, surely your sources must shed some light on this. It should be easy enough to make these distinctions - you already made a start by seperating the list into major and minor.  Gamaliel [[Image:Watchmensmiley20.gif]] 01:08, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Vandalism in Progress/Stolen Honor
Thanks for the nice note. So he's not supposed to list me there? I saw that he'd been trying to remove that perfectly legitimate text, and he goes and calls me a vandal. But I'm not the type to be swayed that easily. Sahara 01:54, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * No, he's not. It's been made clear to him that the page is only for listing vandalism, like blanking the page or filling it with swear words, stuff like that. A clear disupte about what the content of a page should be does not belong there, as he's been told.  Some administrator will take the listing off the page soon, hopefully. He's only trying to intimidate you, just ignore him. Gamaliel [[Image:Watchmensmiley20.gif]] 02:02, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

You have a lot of nerve siding with an obvious sockpuppet. Also, did you even READ the idiotic punctuation that Sahara keeps injecting? Suffice it to say, you are blinded by your own bile and spite - unable to get past your hatred of me enough to even see what's going on. Shame on you! 01:58, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Go away Rex. You've accused me, wolfman, neutrality, JML, kizzle, and anateus feldspar of sockpuppetry, and you've been wrong on all counts.  And you know you're not supposed to list content disputes on Vandalism in Progress, yet you did it anyway.  And you think I'm supposed to be ashamed?  The only thing more ridiculous than your behavior is the fact that wikipedia hasn't banned you yet for your antics.  Gamaliel [[Image:Watchmensmiley20.gif]] 02:02, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Uh did you READ the edit history of Sahara? 02:06, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * What about my edit history? I've been browsing around all day, and I saw the censorship you tried on Stolen Honor, and changed it back. You're just trying to censor opinions you don't like! Sahara 02:10, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I have answered you at Stolen Honor talk page. 02:26, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Mediation requested
Gamaliel, would you accept mediation with me? I believe, based on your overt hostility, that the issue is now ripe. 02:07, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Rex, what do you think the point of mediation would be? My issues are with your accusations, insults, and flagrant disregards for the rules and norms of wikipedia.  Are you willing to change your behavior and act like a rational editor? Gamaliel [[Image:Watchmensmiley20.gif]] 02:32, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

My issue is that you are overtly hostile to me, going out of your way to compound difficulties rather than difuse them. Take a cue from Wolfman. He and I differ greatly, but he is not hostile to me (nor me with him). 03:39, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Obviously we have a very different view of what is going on, as you see yourself as victim and justify your negative behavior on that basis. We can discuss this for years, but nothing will change until the root problem is addressed, and that root problem is your negative behavior. Gamaliel [[Image:Watchmensmiley20.gif]] 07:08, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Will you agree to mediation with me, yes or no? 23:12, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Answer my question, then. What do you think the point of mediation would be?  Are you willing to change your behavior permanently?  If you are not, mediation would be as unproductive as every other encounter with you has been. Gamaliel [[Image:Watchmensmiley20.gif]] 23:15, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Yes or no, will you accept mediation aimed at hashing out our differences / resolving our inter-editor problems? 01:55, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Your latest in a long string of insults directed towards me was posted a mere half hour before this question. It's clear that you are not sincere about wanting to engage in mediation and have no intention of changing your negative behavior. Gamaliel [[Image:Watchmensmiley20.gif]] 03:37, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Unless and until you stop trying to stoke the fires of hostility, I am going to relatiate when and where appropriate. Your cheap shot at the VfD page was a low blow. Until you agree to seek peace, I am not going to unilaterally declare it nor will I let you stomp on me or my edits. I am offering to try to seek peace with you via mediation. If you refuse, any subsequent hostility between us, is 100% your fault. Three strikes and you're out: Yes or no, will you agree to mediation with me? 06:21, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * You don't seem to understand that insults like "warped, spiteful minds" are never appropriate. You don't seem to understand that the rules of Wikipedia don't go out the window because you have decided you are the victim and I am the enemy.  You don't seem to understand that the decisions I make are not made to attack you but to participate in making Wikipedia the best encyclopedia it can be.

 * Case in point: You obviously think that my vote to delete "your" article on Votes for Deletion was a personal attack. Why?  Because I disagreed with you?  I voted for delete because I thought the policy Wikipedia is not a slang or idiom guide applied.  You may disagree, and that is an honest disagreement.  But you should not assume that I did it to spite you.  I also voted on about 6 or 8 other articles today, none of which involve you.  Did I make those decisions to spite other editors?

 * You are making the mistake of taking editorial decisions personally, perhaps because you dislike me, perhaps because you see me as an adversary, perhaps for any number of reasons. This isn't about your feelings.  This isn't about my feelings.  It is not "your" article that I voted to delete.  This is a collaborative encyclopedia, and we make changes not with the feelings of others in mind but with the goal of creating a better encyclopedia.

 * You are an adult. Your behavior is entirely your responsibility, as are your constant violations of Wikipedia policies. The fact that something you do is against the rules will not change if I do not agree to something you demand, nor does your behavior suddenly become my responsibility because I did not accede to your wishes.  You have unleashed a constant stream of invective towards me and other editors for three months, and I don't see why I should engage in a lengthy and tedious mediation process with someone who is so hostile and insulting towards me if they make no indications that their behavior will ever change.  If you want to seek peace with me, all you have to do is stop insulting me.  It's quite simple and easy to understand.  Gamaliel [[Image:Watchmensmiley20.gif]] 08:04, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hmm.. it appears that any "hashing out" must occur now, here in this page - so here goes: What about you and your mysterious appearance on pages I am editing? for example Eights and aces? Over a simply typo (Eight instead of Eights), you kept reverting rather than simply fixing the page! Hmmmm....? And why won't you follow the JML precendent which we have all been forced to follow (on other pages such as TfT)? On TfT, you supported the exclusion of links I wanted included, yet on Stolen Honor you turn around and demand the Media Matters link be included, yet it fails the TfT test - in that it's not about the documentary, but about Sherwood himself. And that "moonie" stuff you kept trying to jam in, that's about Carlton Sherwood himself, not about Stolen Honor, the documentary. It's one thing to mention "he also wrote a book about Unification Church" as a snippet of his background on the documentary page, it's entirely something else to try to bring controversy about that onto a page for a topic for which it has no bearing. 15:39, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * I have already fully explained my actions regarding "Eights and aces" here:.

 * I have already fully and repeatedly explained my views about Stolen Honor on Talk:Stolen Honor. You wanted to include pro-Sherwood irrelevancies like his Vietnam decorations and his work as an anti-terror webmaster without including relevant anti-Sherwood information which cast doubt on his credibility as a journalist. Gamaliel [[Image:Watchmensmiley20.gif]] 21:08, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Comic Strips
You're stepping on my toes and I don't know why. The name of the stamp series, so far as I know is American Comic-strip Classics and while I'm tediously plodding along trying to enter the information in 20 different articles you change the name of the article I'm working on and referring to. Why is that? I'm pretty informal too, but gee. Ortolan88 02:03, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Changed the name back to the proper name of the stamp series. Unless you can show that the stamp series is named something else, please don't redirect again. Ortolan88 02:15, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Sorry you're taking the change personally, my intent was not to offend you. That's just not the proper name of the series, at least according to the sheet of the stamps I have. Here's a picture of the sheet for sale on an ebay type site: . Also, here are some references using the proper name:    . I hope this clears the matter up. Gamaliel [[Image:Watchmensmiley20.gif]] 02:31, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Okay, but you were still stepping on my toes, a little warning or explanation on a talk page would have been polite. Your jumping in without warning or clarification is why I took it personally. How's about you fix the first ten incorrect references and I'll finish the last ten? Ortolan88 03:01, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC) Tnx! Ortolan88 03:51, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

About Lee Harvey Oswald and Me
Dear Gamaliel:

I do have new information on Lee Oswald. Systematic distortion of my testimony and history does not change that fact, only that you have been led to believe nothing new is added by my testimony. That's not true. But you won;t hear that from the keepers of the Official version, that Lee oswald did it alone.

Please contact me quickly at elect63@xs4all.nl ASAP as that account will soon close. I have very little time, as I'm finishing my dissertation on a topic in British Literature, on a deadline at present, but I believe your work is important and would like to give you first-hand information for your W. article, if you weill be so kind as to consider it.

Sure, I've been attacked, sometimes viciously. The film by Nigel Turner, The Love Affair, was censored off The History Channel after five shows. It was originally scheduled for nine years. Segments seven, eight and nine were secretly purchased and are being with-held from the American public by the LBJ family and friends'coalition. But the fact is, I'm still alive, unlike many other witnesses, and because I have the evidence, and have decided to speak out, the inevitable attacks have occurred that I knew would occur. Had I stated that Lee Oswald was the Lone Gunman, I'd be wined and dined and rich. But because I tell the truth, I'm maligned and lied about. Through contacts with honest investigators, however, the facts ARE coming out.

Best regards,

Judyth Vary Baker

loved Lee Oswald, an innocent man please disregard any typos, I have eye problems...

Rube Goldberg
You ruined the entire Rube Goldberg page on this website you ignorant lutefisk. What do you think you are doing? You made every single thing a link that there is no link directing to anywhere else. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? NOW I HAVE TO SPEND ALL MY TIME FIXING IT YOU STUPID SON OF A BITCH!

Dear Anonymous Idiot,

I'm sorry adding those links caused you so much distress. If I had known the effect it would have on you I would have done it sooner. Gamaliel 17:16, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

WP:FAC
Hi,can you sign your objection to Shakespearean authorship? As they are so close to my own, I'd hate to see them ignored for lack of a name. Filiocht 10:37, Oct 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * I was pretty tired when I posted that so I guess it slipped my mind. Thanks. Gamaliel 16:43, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Padraic Colum
Nice picture: do you think there are more Irish writers at the same source? Filiocht 08:29, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Sorry for bothering you. I did the sensible thing and looked myself. Filiocht 12:27, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

No problem. Did you find any? I don't think there are any. I think I uploaded pics of all the writers on their occupation index, and I think Colum was the only Irish one. However, that index is sadly incomplete and probably indexes only about a quarter of the people in the collection. Gamaliel 19:53, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Adminship
Hi, Gamaliel. Would you accept a nomination for adminship? [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 00:02, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)

 * Sorry for the late reply, I decided to mull it over a bit and concluded I would accept. Initially I didn't think I was here long enough, but it has been about eight months or so, and I realized I'm not a newbie anymore. Just give me a day or two to finish reading the admin pages. Thank you!  Gamaliel 09:46, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/Rune Mysteries
I'm sorry if my edit on this VfD overwrote yours (I'm not sure why it did, it's been doing that recently instead of giving me an "edit conflict" message like it should.) our changes were substantially the same, I think, except I kept the "Imp Catcher" and "Romeo & Juliet (quest)" that had been added (essentially the same thing, individual quests from the same MMORPG) and I added a note explaining that 3vruna had added the extra listings himself. (I also replied to a conveniently unsigned top-level post from 3vruna where he effectively cast a second "keep" vote.) In any case, I wish the software *had* told me of the edit conflict as it was supposed to -- am I the only one who's been getting weird results with that? -- Antaeus Feldspar 03:38, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I hadn't noticed anything like that but I'll keep my eyes out. It's better your edit was later as I didn't do anything but cut out the list.  I did however go through all those articles and remove the vfd tags.  I didn't bother with the listings/redirects though, some admin can delete those if they can't just be ignored.  Gamaliel 03:41, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Oh, geez -- I thought to warn the people who had voted while the altered list was up, but I didn't realize he'd gone and stuck VfD tags on all those articles! ... Boy, this guy really needs to go back to playing RuneScape instead of propagandizing it.  -- Antaeus Feldspar 03:47, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Opposition to Castro
Hi there I have made changes to the Opposition to Castro will you reconsider your vote. If you do not think that satisfy the NPOV policy please help me do so. It is hard for me to not have a POV on the matter. I love democracy and the Internet and this great country we live in. Thanks and regards! SilentVoice 23:12, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Could you have another look at Opposition to Castro? I'm not sure what it was like when you looked at it (I gather is started out very POV), but at this point it looks to me like the nucleus of a good article. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:14, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

User:12.220.116.188
"Hamilton," Do stay out of my talk page. I am a newbie here (along with several others) and made a simple mistake when I added a comment about documented evidence fact to the JFK assassination discussion page then tagged an incorrect button, instead of saving my comment to the JFK ass. discussion page. You may now delete this. You are aware that the 80%/20%, 4:1 ratio is against your possibly keeping up with us. (what with all the other 1-6+ hours total you waste per day average on wikipedia 12.220.116.188 23:33, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I have no idea who Hamilton is, perhaps you think this is an insult of some sort. Regardless, if your blanking of Talk:John F. Kennedy assassination was a mistake, it was easily corrected, no harm done.  As far as your bluster about numerical superiority, you've sadly missed the point of Wikipedia entirely.  Gamaliel 23:44, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Did you know has been updated
And an article you created recently has made the line up and is now featured on the main page. Enjoy! -- [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 08:39, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks! Gamaliel 08:51, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

On the Assassination of John F. Kennedy
Gamaliel: I agree with your assessment of this article. It seems the main problem is one of presentation - it needs to be tighened a great deal, and better organized - plus there are several facts and principal allegations which are missing. I would be happy to help you with this; however, I believe biases should be revealed first. I assume from your writing that you believe that LHO acted alone in the assassination; I do not. However, I'm willing to work with you and respect your viewpoint if you respect mine. I suspect that we will conclude with something that neither of us is entirely happy with, but it's not necessary that we "solve" the mystery together in this article. If you wish to proceed, perhaps we could trade emails. - Scooter 22:06, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, you're somewhat correct. I do believe that the evidence that Oswald is the assassin is both obvious and overwhelming. The question of whether or not he was part of a greater conspiracy is another matter.  Personally, I don't see anything that particularly excludes it but I also think that no solid evidence for conspiracy has surfaced yet.  I'm saying this because you asked, but I don't think my opinion (or anyone else's) is particularly relevant, because as good editors we put aside our opinions when we work on wiki articles, obviously. I have no problem with an article which presents evidence (if there is any) or theories for conspiracy as long as obviously false items or conjectures are not presented as facts. I don't see any reason why we can't successfully work together on this, and our different povs will I think be valuable and not a hinderance, as we can check each other's excesses.  If you want to email me just click on 'e-mail this user'. Gamaliel 04:52, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The arbitration matter of Rex071404 is closed
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2) Rex071404, Bkonrad and others who have committed petty offenses are admonished to consult Wikiquette and to conform their edits to that standard.
 * Passed 6 to 0

3) Rex071404 is banned for 4 months from editing Wikipedia articles which concern United States politics.
 * Passed 6 to 0

4.1) Rex071404 is banned from reverting any article for six months.
 * Passed 5 to 0 with 1 abstain

5) In view of his demonstrated deficiencies in engaging in and interpreting the results of research Rex071404 is required to cite a relevant authority, either by footnote or by comment embedded in the text, which supports every [disputed] edit he makes.
 * Passed 5 to 1

For principles, findings of fact, and enforcement see Requests for arbitration/Rex071404. --mav 05:08, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Thank you for the update. Gamaliel 23:28, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Random thanks
Hey there. Somewhat belated, but I'd intended to thank you for creating articles on most of the Librarians of Congress. A neat little subject that few people know much about. Isomorphic 15:33, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Harlan Ellison
Hi. I reverted your reversion of Harlan Ellison. This was not done in bad faith. Rather, it was added by a person whom we suspect may have actually been Harlan Ellison. Until the matter is cleared up, please leave the text as is. We are in contact with Mr. Ellison regarding the incident and hope to resolve it soon. Danny 21:14, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry, this makes no sense. I don't see why a potential copyvio should be allowed to stand, and even if it is not, it's still a wholesale deletion of the exisiting article in favor of an unformatted press release. And you should be aware that the same editor also deleted material unfavorable to Ellison in Dangerous Visions. I have a great deal of respect for Mr. Ellison's work, but he should be made to adhere to the same rules as everyone else if he participates here. Gamaliel 21:33, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I agree with you, but let's just take it slow here. There's time to make the article right, and we're not clear on who inserted that article, etc., etc.  Certainly the "unformatted press release" can't stand.  Jimbo Wales 23:20, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I've learned a bit more about what's going on and I'm sure you'll be able to deal with it. Gamaliel 00:26, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Congratulations, Gamaliel!
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 04:59, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Congratulations!, [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 05:01, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)

 * Congratulations from me, too! I'm especially proud to see one of my sockpuppets promoted.  Or am I your sockpuppet?  I've already forgotten.... JamesMLane 08:42, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * (monty burns voice) exceeeeelent.... my sockpuppet has now gained admin status! ;) congrats. --kizzle 12:31, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)

 * We're doomed! Doomed! —tregoweth 16:55, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you everyone. My reign of terror will commence shortly. Gamaliel 23:34, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * LOL! [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 00:44, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)

Article ownership
You might want to take a look at Ownership of articles. anthony 警告 23:35, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Why? Am I trying to "destroy wikipedia" again because I think one picture instead of two of some minor city landmark will suffice? Gamaliel 23:46, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Because you act like you own Tampa, Florida. You should also note that reverts of non-vandalism are not supposed to be marked minor. anthony 警告 23:49, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Not agreeing with every edit you make is not the same as acting like I own it. Why does this minor landmark deserve two pictures when others have none?  Why is one picture insufficent?  Wikipedia is not a showcase for your photography. Gamaliel 23:52, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * No, you were acting like you own it because you made a reversion without explaining yourself. The landmark and the sign deserve a picture when others have none because we have a free picture of these and don't have a free picture of the others.  Two pictures is better than one which is better than none.  This isn't my photography.  I didn't take these pictures.  anthony 警告 23:58, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Sorry about that, it looked like they were yours when I glanced at the page on wikicommons. My mistake.  I'm not arguing that there should be no picture at all, and certainly the existence of a free picture is reason enough to add one.  I've slapped more than my share of PD pics into articles here.  But just because it's free and available doesn't mean we are compelled to use it.  At some point, we have to say, no, this is enough, because of aesthetics, space, appropriateness, balance, and any number of a host of other issues.  It's like free cookies: they are fantastic but eventually if you keep stuffing them in your face you will puke. When I added the pic of that Ybor cigar factory, there were dozens to choose from.  Should I have added them all? One cigar factory and one pic of the Mons is more than sufficent. Gamaliel 00:07, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Votes_for_deletion/Rosyth_Primary_School
Re:Votes_for_deletion/Rosyth_Primary_School: what makes something encyclopedic if not notablity or verifiability? These are the two main reasons for deleation on VfD. The bellman 09:48, 2004 Nov 30 (UTC)

 * It's just some elementary school. There are millions of them.  This is pretty much the definition of non-notable. Gamaliel 20:35, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Man, I can't believe what a can of worms I've seemed to open. Rosyth Primary School should be deleted for the same reason that almost every primary school should be.  They're all verifiable, if one bothers to, but they are all also almost entirely nonnotable, except to interested parties, namely their faculty, sutdent's parents, perhaps the students themselves, perhaps close relatives of the above, maybe their graduates, but NO ONE ELSE IN WORLD!  This place seems to have no great historicity or famous graduates.  If I would (which, as promised, I won't), I could write an article almost as good on my own primary school, probably even including a link to the guy who was principal back then, and my point is that probably most of us regulars could, but SO WHAT.  Even if the place had famous graduates, almost all of them subseuquently would have attended higher schools of greater general interest.  Well, this isn't the first vote that I've lost (probably not even here at Wikipedia) and it's not likely to be the last, but I won't be putting up any lower schools for deletion anymore.  Thanks for being on the right, if losing, side.  I spend a lot of time on Wikipedia (currently it's probably safe to say that it's my main "hobby" and I hate to see it become hopelessly cluttered with lots of non-notable filler), and this won't dissuade me to feel that it is one of the most important projects currently under way on the internet, but to me this is a shame.  Rlquall 13:36, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I don't know why people vote to keep every school, even articles that say "this is the only high school in Podunk, Texas" and nothing else. You're right, this is nothing but clutter. I should start writing articles on local grocery stores and street lights, they would be about as notable.  Gamaliel 20:35, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Songs whose title includes a phone number
Thank your for increasing the number of entries in List of songs whose title includes a phone number by 50%! I was beginning to wonder if my idea for this article was complete nuts. (Now I think it's only mostly nuts.) ☺ — Jeff Q 10:29, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * No problem. Thanks for starting the list in the first place. I think it's a great idea. Gamaliel 20:43, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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Exton, Hampshire

Exton is a small village and civil parish in the City of Winchester district of Hampshire, England. The village lies in the South Downs National Park, on the west bank of the River Meon, immediately to the north of Corhampton. It is located two miles north of Droxford and five miles north-east of Bishop's Waltham. Its name first appears in 940 as East Seaxnatune, meaning "farmstead of the East Saxons".

The parish straddles the Meon Valley, including higher ground of the South Downs to either side, with Old Winchester Hill to the east and the southern part of Beacon Hill (shared with Warnford parish) to the west. It is crossed from east to west by the South Downs Way long-distance footpath. The A32 and the Meon Valley Railway footpath cross from north to south.

The parish contains numerous archaeological sites including a Mesolithic flint working site, Bronze Age bowl barrows and the Iron Age fort at Old Winchester Hill. There are also Roman and Dark Age sites and the site of the mediaeval village of Lomer. The 13th-century church of St Peter and St Paul was heavily restored in the 19th century. The 1892 restoration (the second of the 19th century) added stained glass windows by Charles Spooner in the style of the Arts and Crafts movement.

Exton has remained a small community for more than two centuries. In 1801 Exton's total population was 224, by 1901 it had grown slightly to 299 yet by 2001 the population had shrunk to 230 and again to 203 at the 2011 Census. Photographs from the 1950s show a village shop and post office in Exton but this closed in the 1960s. The only community buildings in the village are the church and the Shoe Inn public house.

In 1870–72, John Goring's Imperial Gazetteer of England and Wales described Exton like this:
 * "EXTON, a village and a parish in Droxford district, Hants. The village stands 2 miles N by E of Droxford, and 5 NE of Bishops-Waltham r. station; and has a post office under Southampton. The parish comprises 2,464 acres (10 km²). Real property, £2,640. Pop., 257. Houses, 41. Exton Lodge is a principal residence. The living is a rectory in the diocese of Winchester. Value, 331.* Patron, the Bishop of Winchester. The church was rebuilt in 1847, and is in the early English style. "

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ERC integration in to Emacs
In case anyone wonders if the gnu.org email archive is a reliable source, the announcement by Richard Stallman also appeared in the gnu.emacs.announce Usenet newsgroup June 3, 2007. --Lexein (talk) 16:44, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

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Islands in the River Thames

This article lists the islands in the River Thames, or at the mouth of a tributary (marked †), in England. It excludes human-made islands built as part of the building of forty-five two-gate locks which each accompany a weir, and islets subordinate to and forming part of the overall shape of another. The suffix -ey (pronounced today ) is common across England and Scotland and cognate with ait and meaning island, a term – as ait or eyot – unusually well-preserved on the Thames. A small minority of list entries are referred to as Island, Ait or Eyot and are vestiges, separated by a depression in the land or high-water-level gully.

Most are natural; others were created by excavation of an additional or replacement navigation channel, such as to provide a shorter route, a cut. Many result from accumulation of gravel, silt, wildfowl dung and plant decay and root strengthening, particularly from willows and other large trees. Unlike other large rivers, all today are considered fixed. All in the reaches below Lechlade have been protected against erosion by various combinations of canalisation of the river, building up with dredged material from the river bed, water reeds, concrete, cement, wood or sheet piling.

List of former islands

 * Frog Island†, Rainham
 * Isle of Dogs, Poplar, London

 * Isle of Grain, Kent
 * Thorney (or Thorney Island)† covered a broad area surrounding Westminster Abbey
 * Bermondsey†, land and grounds of Bermondsey Abbey, formed by an anabranch (corollary channel) naturally dredged by the mouth of the Neckinger; a vestige of the channel is St Saviour's Dock.
 * Battersea Formerly bounded by the Heath Brook,Falcon Brook and Thames.
 * Beyond the alluvium/silts of the estuary, by the English Channel and North Sea
 * Isle of Thanet†, Kent

List of islands

The islands are listed in order upstream from the sea.

Oxford floodplain
In the Oxford area the river splits into several streams across the floodplain, which create numerous islands. On the right bank a large island is created by Seacourt Stream, Botley Stream and Bulstake Stream, and there are smaller islands, including the large mainly built-up island now known as Osney, created by streams between Bulstake Stream and the Thames, including Osney Ditch. The Oxford suburbs of Grandpont and New Hinksey are on an island created by Bulstake Stream, Hinksey Stream and Weirs Mill Stream. Iffley Meadows is an island west of Iffley Lock, between Weirs Mill Stream, Hinksey Stream and the Thames.

On the left bank Fiddler's Island followed downstream by the built-up island historically known as Osney lie between Castle Mill Stream and the Thames. Cripley Meadow is also on an island formed by Fiddler's Island Stream, Castle Mill Stream and Sheepwash Channel.

Eton and Dorney
The status of Eton, Berkshire combined with Dorney is controversial. These are two mainly pre-1900-built small villages and their outlying localities: Eton Wick, Boveney and Dorney Reach. Much of these areas of land in the 19th century was marked by the Ordnance Survey "liable to floods" which led to pressure on authorities for flood protection, along with the more densely populated right bank.

They have been, since 2002, on a more protected man-made island formed by the Jubilee River, which is sometimes seen as an advanced flood relief channel rather than a channel of the Thames. As the Jubilee River is maintained with flow at all times, they may be coming to be accepted by publications as on an island of the Thames, reflecting their objective strict geographical status.

Lock islands
The construction of almost all locks on the Thames involved one or more artificial lock islands separating the lock from the weirs. These may have been created by building an artificial island in the river or by digging an artificial canal to contain the lock and turning the land between that and the river into an island. In many cases the lock island contains the lock keeper's house and can be accessed across the lock gates. Such lock islands are only listed above if they have a specific name of their own: all Thames locks are listed in Locks on the River Thames.

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Talk:Sterling, Massachusetts

Complaint
Just found this sentence in the history section - "Home to the most B.A. mofo's this side of the Misssissippi." This kind of language is utterly disgraceful !! Who put this in here ?? Chaotic.shifter (talk) 06:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

The local barber is among the notable residents ?? Chaotic.shifter (talk) 07:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

 * You cannot tell who it was, merely an anonymous person at at IP address. But it does not matter. Those of us who care look askance at any changes made anonymously. Genuine editors proudly sign their work. Most of us try not to get caught up in edit wars.

 * Next time don't complain, but simply be bold and edit in a correction, as I did. (I reverted to a known good version.) If your correction is somehow broken, do not worry. Someone else will fix it! Thank you for caring. Snezzy (talk) 23:11, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Would someone please let me know why my updates keep getting rejected? Veevedlab (talk) 19:17, 6 March 2011 (UTC)VeevedlabVeevedlab (talk) 19:17, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

 * It is against Wikipedia's policy to link to a blog that is not run by the organization it is about. Thewikipopo (talk) 04:48, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Utilities neutrality
I'm new here but the words "reap the benefits" and "exceptional" don't sound very neutral to me. Any thoughts? If not I will fix them Thriftycat (talk) 16:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

 * They have been removed. Thriftycat (talk) 00:34, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

2013 "natural gas company" verification
I have been unable to locate any record of a plan for public natural gas service in the town. I have added sourced information about Eversource service. Is there a consensus that the unsourced text can be removed? Thriftycat (talk) 00:33, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

 * Again, no one is responding so I removed them. Thriftycat (talk) 12:36, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Tim Collins (British Army officer)

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 * ''There are some who are alive at this moment who will not be alive shortly. Those who do not wish to go on that journey, we will not send. As for the others I expect you to rock their world. Wipe them out if that is what they choose. But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in victory.

 * ''Iraq is steeped in history. It is the site of the Garden of Eden, of the Great Flood and the birthplace of Abraham. Tread lightly there. You will see things that no man could pay to see and you will have to go a long way to find a more decent, generous and upright people than the Iraqis. You will be embarrassed by their hospitality even though they have nothing. Don't treat them as refugees for they are in their own country. Their children will be poor, in years to come they will know that the light of liberation in their lives was brought by you.

 * ''If there are casualties of war then remember that when they woke up and got dressed in the morning they did not plan to die this day. Allow them dignity in death. Bury them properly and mark their graves.

 * ''It is my foremost intention to bring every single one of you out alive but there may be people among us who will not see the end of this campaign. We will put them in their sleeping bags and send them back. There will be no time for sorrow.

 * ''The enemy should be in no doubt that we are his nemesis and that we are bringing about his rightful destruction. There are many regional commanders who have stains on their souls and they are stoking the fires of hell for Saddam. He and his forces will be destroyed by this coalition for what they have done. As they die they will know their deeds have brought them to this place. Show them no pity.

 * ''It is a big step to take another human life. It is not to be done lightly. I know of men who have taken life needlessly in other conflicts, I can assure you they live with the mark of Cain upon them. If someone surrenders to you then remember they have that right in international law and ensure that one day they go home to their family.

 * ''The ones who wish to fight, well, we aim to please.

 * ''If you harm the regiment or its history by over-enthusiasm in killing or in cowardice, know it is your family who will suffer. You will be shunned unless your conduct is of the highest for your deeds will follow you down through history. We will bring shame on neither our uniform or our nation.

 * ''[Regarding the use by Saddam of chemical or biological weapons] It is not a question of if, it's a question of when. We know he has already devolved the decision to lower commanders, and that means he has already taken the decision himself. If we survive the first strike we will survive the attack.

 * ''As for ourselves, let's bring everyone home and leave Iraq a better place for us having been there.

 * ''Our business now is north."

 * The speech was given in Kuwait, rather than Iraq, as the page states. It was the eve of the battle after all, they hadn't invaded yet.

Why is only an excerpt of the speech here (the one from the film) and not the whole speech as recorded by the journalist? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.7.255 (talk) 12:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Copyright I would imagine. Even what we've got may be overdoing it a bit. The copyright will belong either to Collins himself, or since he gave to the troops as CO it might fall under Crown Copyright.  David Underdown (talk) 12:59, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Recorded?
"No recording or film of the speech exists, Collins told the BBC"

I do not believe this is correct. I saw a broadcast (either Channel 4 or BBC World) a few days after it was delivered that definitely featured Collins delivering the full speech - it was electrifying, and vastly better than what Branaugh manages.

Collins statement may be true if he means "no longer exists", and that is possible as it was controversial at the time and he may have used the courts to suppress it. But video did exist at one time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.255.127.189 (talk • contribs) 09:22, 7 March 2011

SAS
Why no mention of his SAS service? Jprw (talk) 10:26, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I came across this source. Not enough to work into the article, but confirmation that the information is in the public domain. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/6163453/Army-anger-as-soldier-killed-saving-journalist-who-ignored-Taliban-warning.html Rayman60 (talk) 01:33, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

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I think it would make more sense if we renamed the page as Colonel Tim Collins 2.27.75.231 (talk) 00:31, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Wayside Inn

Oldest operating Inn
A search of Google on "oldest operating inn" shows consensus that Wayside Inn is it. But, none of the sources on Google are very authoritative and could just as easily be getting their information from WI itself - so I've added a "self-proclaimed" disclaimer, until someone can find a better source, such as official government recognition or historian society - a neutral source who has verified the claim. Until then it's in the realm of folklore. -- Stbalbach 15:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree with this course of action. Note that I've been to eat at the Wayside Inn many times (I live less than 5 miles away) and I can confirm that the staff do make this claim--the first time I ate there the waiter kept a running narrative the whole time he was serving us and this was one of the first facts about the inn that he proclaimed.--Caliga10 15:56, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Next time you go mention Wikipedia and the need for a reliable source "..uhh.. more water?" -- Stbalbach 16:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I actually had dinner there last night and grabbed some brochures which seem to reinforce the claim. When I have time I'll summarize the contents on the talk page.--Caliga10 11:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks! All effort is appreciated!

 * Atlant 12:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

National Historic Landmark
Also, I noticed a plaque up in the lobby indicating that the inn is a National Historic Landmark. In addition, see the following:

 * NPS says "reputed". That might be the word to use instead of "self-proclaimed" (which is slightly negative in tone), and link to the NPS document as a source. -- Stbalbach 21:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

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