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Talk:Tonkinese cat

== Photos ==

I added a couple of my Tonks, but they aren't the best shots to show body coloration and such. I hope others will feel free to add and/or edit the photos! My 3 are CFA registered, 2 of which are grand premiers in CFA. So they are good representations of the breed, at least in America. Tonks outside the US look a bit different.

The pile photo is a great one to show the classic Tonkpile though. The world over Tonks do this! These cats are always piled up with each other, especially in cooler weather.

Courtney

 * There is no such thing as a "flame point" tonkinese. The cat pictured is a tabby of some undetermined origin. Mooshimanx 22:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The word "volosed", when Googled, only returns this page. What is this word's meaning? --nic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.11.55.242 (talk) 11:21, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it should probably be "short-nosed" but I'm not confident enough to change it. 12.39.246.34 (talk) 18:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I have a few pictures of my cat. He is a Tonks and he is fully stretched. Do you think having him sitting and flexed out would be all right? 71.142.214.138 (talk) 21:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)Rem

Accuracy of history referance to South Pacific
I researched this statement on the Tonkinese cat page. "Some claim that the appearance of the breed is closer to the original appearance of the Siamese, before Siamese breeders developed today's triangular head and very leggy body. The name is not related to the Tonkin region of Indochina. When the breed was first established in Canada, the breed name was actually spelled "Tonkanese," which was a reference to the island in the musical South Pacific where "half-breeds" suffered no discrimination. The mistaken idea that the name was a geographical reference paralleling the Siamese and Burmese breed names resulted in a gradual switch to the current spelling, under which the breed was recognized by the US registering associations."

I find some factual errors after having read the South Pacific musical script, watched the movie version, and read the book "Tales of the South Pacific" on which the musical is based.

There is no island called Tonkanese in the musical or book. The two main islands in the musical are Espiritu Santo which is the island the navy station was on and most of the action and the second island is Bali Ha'i. I could not find any reference to either island being described as where "half-breeds" suffered no discrimination. There are two characters in South Pacific called Bloody Mary and Liat. Both come from the country of Tonkin and were called Tonkinese. Tonkin was in the French area of China which we call today Viet Nam. They came on 3-5 year contracts to work on the plantations. Although the musical does not describe this in such detail as the book, the characters looked and dressed like Chinese and clearly were not local Polynesians. The word Tonkinese is only used to describe non-Polynesians Chinese looking people. So if a person first heard of Tonkinese from the musical, it was not a reference to an island and was a reference to people from Tonkin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martino2000 (talk • contribs) 10:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Certainly correct here. Perhaps a misspelling (deliberate or accidental) by the Canadian folks involved? Or a misunderstanding about just what Tonkin was and how it might be used, slightly modified, in English? Or just confusion about just how factually based the book (and to a lesser etent, the musical and movie) were? ww (talk) 11:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I would like to see the name of a person and source for the statement that the name Tonkanese was in reference to an island etc. Many of us have searched for the person and circumstances. We have found no reliable source for this happening 40 some years ago including talking to Jane Barletta a US breeder mid 60s. Now folks are quoting this statement and we know it has inaccuracies. This statement said it had nothing to do with Tonkin and instead with just the name of an island related to half-breeds yet the characters in South Pacific were from Tonkin. I'm not doubting the name was first heard in South Pacific. THat is probably why it was mispelled. I'm just questioning the rest of the statement that it was an island and had nothing to do with Tonkin as it is inconsistent with the book, movie, and musical. So who gave it the name and when? BTW the book is accurate. Michener lived on the island during the war. It is a novel and the character are fictitious but the ethnic background of the Tonkinese character were familiar to him. He describes in great detail who and how these people worked in the island. They came from Tonkin. So who gave the breed the name Tonkanese and where did they say they thought it was an island and had nothing to do with Tonkin? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martino2000 (talk • contribs) 21:17, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposed additions to the article
Hello. I'm new to Wikipedia, but have bred Tonkinese for 15 years, and there are a few inaccuracies. I corrected one; the photo captioned "a lilac mink Tonkinese" and changed it to Platinum. Lilac is a term used for Siamese not Tonks, although it is essentially the same coat color. Another problem with the picture is it's not a very good example of Platinum coat color. It looks more like Blue than Platinum. Might be a photo quality problem. I hsve quite a few photos I would be willing to share, but don't want to make major changes to the article without some feedback. For example, here's a Platinum queen with tiny Blue Mink kittens: http://www.tonkinesekitten.com/images/1%20Ariel%203%20weeks%20old%20babies_MG_8936.jpg

Here's a major change I'd like to make: " Within CFA, Tonkinese kittens born after January 1, 1984 cannot have Siamese or Burmese parents. All three breeds have changed a great deal since then and are substantially different today. Tonkinese breeders essentially try to emphasize many of the very characteristics that show-style Siamese and Burmese breeders bred out. If the breed were to start today from current (2014) Siamese and Burmese populations, the result would be a very different Tonkinese. All three gene pools are very different from 1984." This is from http://www.tonkinesebreedassociation.org/tonkgenetics.html

This leads to more I would like to add if consensus: There are now two types of Tonkinese out there. Type 1 follows the guidelines above, and results in a healthy, sturdier cat. It DOES NOT have any of the modern slender toothpick show-style Siamese in their bloodlines. BUT some breeders have in fact added show-style Siamese to their bloodlines. This results in a very different Tonk, in looks, personality and health. If there's no objection, I'd like to elaborate, with multiple references. Thanks.Deborahgaeila (talk) 20:22, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

On the name thing: multiple references say a breeder named Edith Lux was actually the on to propose changing the name from Golden Siamese to Tonkinese, in the mid 1960's. The Gulf of Tonkin is in close proximity to Myanmar (previously Burma - Burmese) and Thailand (previously Siam - Siamese) and Ms Lux felt it fitting that these cats have a name closely related to each of the breeds from which they were developed. Nothing about an island. I think the island thing is confusion that crept in somewhere. multiple refs here's one: www.catbreedsjunction.com/about-tonkinese-cats.htmlDeborahgaeila (talk) 20:32, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to add a bit to the history portion. Tonks really go back to the 1950's in the U.S. "In the 1950's, Milan Greer in New York City began breeding 'Golden Siamese,' a Siamese/Burmese hybrid, but discontinued his program by 1960 Greer, an owner of both a Siamese and a Burmese, had seen several unusual cats which, in appearance were somewhere between the two breeds, with a rich mahogany body and dark points. Having learned that these were normally destroyed as they were thought to be 'defective' and would not breed true, Greer launched a breeding program to determine whether, in fact, these cats would breed true. Following experiments on mice, he began crossing Seal point Siamese to Sable Burmese to produce the mahogany cat. By cross/breeding the offspring of the foundation cross, Greer (1961), by his own account, claims to have bred 'pure' for five generations, producing only chocolate brown cats with seal or dark brown points. Not being interested in showing cats, Greer abandoned the project once he felt he had proven himself. Greer's cats were enormously popular with pet buyers in New York City during the 1950's and early 1960's."  That last line is significant.  ref:   www.tonkinesebreedassociation.org/HistoryoftheTonkinese.htm

Tonkinese are paradoxically enormously popular with pet owners, but kind of, well shunted to the side at pet shows. Many judges admit that they simply do not know how to judge a Tonkinese cat. (yes I can ref that one) I think this page deserves some more love, for a cat that is highly in demand as a pet, and in fact makes a great pet. I have bred both show-style CFA Siamese and Tonkinese, and Tonks are a LOT more fun to live with. Yeah, I know personal cite, but I bet I can find multiple official sources, given today's Siamese & Burmese health and personality problemsm, some of which are cited in Wiki's own pages on those cats.Deborahgaeila (talk) 20:40, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

 * Hi Deborahgaeila! I've taken the liberty of placing your comments in a separate section, as is customary on an article talkpage when a new topic is introduced, just to make things easier to follow. Rest assured I haven't changed your text in any way.

 * I'm the most recent editor to this page--which means I've basically done some copyediting to bring it in line with Wikipedia, ie. encyclopedic standards. Speaking from that POV, your proposed additions all seem very plausible (not to say genuinely interesting) and I'd be happy to support them. Just remember to keep to a neutral tone and make sure your references are to reputable, factually-oriented sources. I've gone through and edited a few of the cat breed articles now, and the one major problem I've noticed is a tendency to present information in an anecdotal, 'in-universe' style so to speak, as if to promote the cat rather than more formally present an overview of its history/characteristics. Understandable given the genuine affection obviously involved (you should hear me on the subject of my particular tortie shorthair!) but not quite the done thing on Wiki. :)

 * In particular, by all means clean up the images as you like. I've tried hard to find good clear representatives of the breed characteristics but the existing resources are a bit scanty, and I'm not overly attached to any of them. The "lilac"/platinum cat at the top is the only one I could find that clearly and neatly shows off a characteristic example of the breed (see the top photos on the Balinese and Abyssinian articles for much better examples) but I agree the colour's obviously a bit off, and I'm not too crazy about the leash, either.

 * Let me know if I can help in any way re: presentation or shaping the info --as I say, my expertise is in copy-editing, not in breed specifics, and in turn I'd be most interested in any guidance along those lines you can provide. Shoebox 2   talk  22:17, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:The Lucy Show

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Here's Lucy and the Lucy Show while similiar are different TV shows and should be on different pages. (Alphaboi867 04:12, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC))

"Here's Lucy" should indeed have its own page; I added a reference to "HL" here, though, since it seems warranted. While they're different shows, the motivation behind ending Ball's "The Lucy Show" and embarking on a new series is her sale of Desilu to Gulf + Western. So it seems worth mentioning here, since it was Ball herself who opted to change shows, as well as the fact that the show's three stars -- Ball, Gordon and Croft -- all moved over to the new series playing essentially the same characters (widowed mother with two children, cranky boss, and wacky sidekick, respectively) albeit with different names and slightly altered details. "The Lucy Show" should probably be cross-referenced on the "Here's Lucy" page, as well. -Markt3

I don't know who keeps insisting that the show's original title "The Lucille Ball Show" was actually aired like that. It was not. You can find proof of this in "The Lucy Book" which details every Lucy appearance and show on television. I am changing the information to state the correct facts. Jude86 05:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Ads ran in the New York Times and the Chicago Tribune the day the show premiered, October 1 1962, and they say The Lucy Show. 74.104.189.176 (talk) 22:13, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

there have been releases of the lucy show on DVD in australia and new zealand... but i guess they are those public domain ones....Australian Jezza 06:09, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

comment moved from article
Not sure where this came from, but I just moved it out of the article: "(This author contends that the setting is actually Danfield, New York and that numerous sources have incorrecctly stated the setting as Danfield, Connecticut)" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.167.92.26 (talk) 17:25, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Photo of the "Lucy Show" stage.
My name is Jimmy Garrett and was involved in "The Lucy Show" playing Lucy's son Jerry. In reading the article, an error jumped out. The photo of Paramount stage 21 is identified as the stage where the show was filmed. This is incorrect. When Paramount bought Desilu-Gower in the late 1960's, they renumbered all of the stages. The stage in the photo I believe to be the former Desilu stage 14. There was no stage 13 and we shot next door on stage 12 (at least for the four seasons I was there). A couple of side notes: Stage 11 on the other side was the home to "My Three Sons" at that time. The stage you have in the photo, 21 (Paramount) or 14 (Desilu), was where the Lucy Show casting was held while the sets, bleachers, and audience street entrance were being constructed next door. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.85.109.230 (talk) 00:29, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Too long and wordy!!!
The "premise" section is awfully long and verbose, and contains too many uninteresting details. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia article, not a doctoral dissertation!97.73.64.144 (talk) 01:26, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Black and white vs. color
What does the following sentence mean? In the fall of 1965, CBS began broadcasting all programming in color, but continued to produce some programming in black & white. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:36, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

It means that they PRODUCED the programs in black-white but they converted the shows to color for later first-run transmissions. The brave celery (talk) 21:03, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That doesn't seem to clear it up. Producing in black and white would mean filming in black and white, there would be no way to "convert" a show that was filmed in black and white into color in the technology of the day. What I think the sentence actually means is NBC was originally broadcasting in black and white, so even if a TV show were filmed in color, and watched on a color set, it would appear black and white because NBC was only sending a black and white signal. Then NBC started broadcasting shows filmed in color on a signal that carried the color, shows filmed in black and white on a signal that only carried black and white. Then in 1965, they just started broadcasting everything on a signal that could carry color, even if the show was only filmed in black and white. 2600:1700:12C8:10:BC77:2159:6FDD:50B2 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:48, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Typical wiki nonsense. 71.184.87.187 (talk) 09:52, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Children Mentioned
Under the heading "Format, setting, and major cast changes", the first sentence of the sixth paragraph states "By January 1966, all references to Lucy Carmichael's children, her trust fund, and her former life in Danfield were dropped." I question this because I just watched the episode "Lucy The Babysitter", first broadcast on January 16, 1967, and in it Lucy, while discussing her qualifications for a babysitting job, states that she raised two children of her own, and further states that they are away at school. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C5D:5A00:3694:1C51:3448:C1A6:ACD4 (talk) 16:39, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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Jewish population by country

the world's core Jewish population (those identifying as Jews above all else) was estimated at 15.7 million, which is approximately 0.2% of the 8 billion worldwide population. Israel hosts the largest core Jewish population in the world with 7.2 million, followed by the United States with 6.3 million. Other countries with core Jewish populations above 100,000 include France (440,000), Canada (398,000), the United Kingdom (312,000), Argentina (171,000), Russia (132,000), Germany (125,000), and Australia (117,200). The number of Jews worldwide rises to 18 million with the addition of the "connected" Jewish population, including those who say they are partly Jewish or that have Jewish backgrounds from at least one Jewish parent, and rises again to 21 million with the addition of the "enlarged" Jewish population, including those who say they have Jewish backgrounds but no Jewish parents and all non-Jewish household members who live with Jews. Counting all those who are eligible for Israeli citizenship under Israel's Law of Return, in addition to Israeli Jews, raised the total to 25.5 million.

Two countries account for 81% of those recognised as Jews or of sufficient Jewish ancestry to be eligible for citizenship in Israel under its Law of Return: the United States with 51% and Israel with 30% (including the West Bank with 2%). An additional 16% is split between France (3%), Canada (3%), Russia (3%), the United Kingdom (2%), Argentina (1%), Germany (1%), Ukraine (1%), Brazil (1%), Australia (1%), and Hungary (1%), while the remaining 3% are spread around approximately 98 other countries and territories with less than 0.5% each. With over 7 million Jews, Israel is the only Jewish-majority country and the only explicitly Jewish state.

In 1939, the core Jewish population reached its historical peak of 17 million. Due to the murder of approximately six million Jews during the Holocaust, this number was reduced to 11 million by 1945. The population grew to around 13 million by the 1970s and then recorded almost no growth until around 2005, due to low fertility rates and assimilation of Jews. From 2005 to 2018, the world's Jewish population grew 0.63% annually on average, while world population overall grew 1.1% annually in the same period. This increase primarily reflected the rapid growth of Haredi and some Orthodox sectors, who remain a growing proportion of Jews.

Israel
Recent Jewish population dynamics are characterized by continued steady increase in the Israeli Jewish population and flat or declining numbers in other countries (the diaspora). Jewish immigration to Palestine began in earnest following the 1839 Tanzimat reforms; between 1840 and 1880, the Jewish population of Palestine rose from 9,000 to 23,000. In the late 19th century, 99.7% of the world's Jews lived outside the region, with Jews representing 2–5% of the population of the Palestine region. Through the first five phases of Aliyah, the Jewish population rose to 630,000 by the inception of the state of Israel in 1948. By 2014 this had risen to 6,135,000, while the population of the diaspora has dropped from 10.5 to 8.1 million over the same period. Current Israeli Jewish demographics are characterized by a relatively high fertility rate of 3 children per woman and a stable age distribution. The overall growth rate of Jews in Israel is 1.7% annually. The diaspora countries, by contrast, have low Jewish birth rates, an increasingly elderly age composition, and a negative balance of people leaving Judaism versus those joining. Immigration trends also favour Israel ahead of diaspora countries. The Jewish state has a positive immigration balance (called aliyah in Hebrew). Israel saw its Jewish numbers significantly buoyed by a million-strong wave of Jewish immigrants from the former Soviet Union in the 1990s, and immigration growth has been steady (in the low tens of thousands) since then.

Rest of the world
In general, the modern English-speaking world has seen an increase in its share of the diaspora since the Holocaust and the foundation of Israel, while historic diaspora Jewish populations in Eastern Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East have significantly declined or disappeared. France continues to be home to the world's third largest Jewish community, at around 500,000, but has shown an increasingly negative trend. As a long-term trend, intermarriage has reduced its "core" Jewish population and increased its "connected" and "enlarged" Jewish populations. More recently, migration loss to Israel amongst French Jews reached the tens of thousands between 2014 and 2017, following a wave of anti-Semitic attacks. According to a 2017 Pew Research Center survey, over the next four decades the number of Jews around the world is expected to increase from 14.2 million in 2015 to 16.4 million in 2060.

Debate over United States numbers
The number of Jews in the United States has been much debated because of questions about counting methodology. In 2012, Sheskin and Dashefsky put forward a figure of 6.72 million based on a mixture of local surveys, informed local estimates, and US census data. They qualified their estimate with concern over double counting and suggested the real figure may lie between 6 and 6.4 million. Drawing on their work, the Steinhardt Social Research Institute released their estimate of 6.8 million Jews in the United States in 2013. These figures are in contrast to Israeli demographer Sergio Della Pergola's number of 5,425,000, also in 2012. He has called high estimates “implausible” and “unreliable”. However, he revised the United States Jewish number to 5.7 million in subsequent years. This controversy followed a similar debate in 2001 when the National Jewish Population Survey released a United States Jewish estimate as low as 5.2 million only to have serious methodological errors suggested in their survey. In sum, a confidence interval of a million or more people is likely to persist in reporting the number of Jewish Americans.

In 2020, the Pew Research Center's Jewish Americans 2020 study estimated there were 5.8 million adult Jews in the United States and 1.8 million children of at least one Jewish parent being raised as Jewish in some way, for a total of 7.5 million Jews, 2.5% of the national population. According to Sergio Della Pergola's narrower definition, which count children and adult Jews without religious affiliation only if they have two Jewish parents, this corresponds to 4.8 million Jewish adults and 1.2 million Jewish children in 2020. The American Jewish Population Project at Brandeis University, which synthesizes survey data from the 50 states and DC, estimates there are 7.63 million American Jews, 6 million adults and 1.6 million children.

By country
Below is a list of Jewish populations in the world by country. All data below, except the last column, are from the Berman Jewish DataBank at Stanford University in the World Jewish Population (2020) report coordinated by Sergio DellaPergola at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. The Jewish DataBank figures are primarily based on national censuses combined with trend analysis:
 * Core Jewish population refers to those who consider themselves Jews to the exclusion of all else.
 * Connected Jewish population includes the core Jewish population and additionally those who say they are partly Jewish or that have Jewish background from at least one Jewish parent.
 * Enlarged Jewish population includes the Jewish connected population and those who say they have Jewish background but not a Jewish parent, and all non-Jews living in households with Jews.
 * Eligible Jewish population includes all those eligible for immigration to Israel under its Law of Return.
 * National official population is the Jewish population reported by a national source. Note that the "National" results may not be entirely accurate, as other sources may have conflicting accounts of Jewish populations in some countries.

Table

 * pct = percent of total world Jewish population
 * pmp = per million people in country

Remnant and vanished populations
The above table represents Jews that number at least a few dozen per country. Reports exist of Jewish communities remaining in other territories in the low single digits that are on the verge of disappearing, particularly in the Muslim world, as their reaction to the birth of Israel in 1948 was the persecution of Jews in nearly all Muslim lands; these are often of historical interest as they represent the remnant of much larger Jewish populations. For example, Egypt had a Jewish community of 80,000 in the early 20th century that numbered fewer than 40 as of 2014, mainly because of the forced expulsion movements to Israel and other countries at that time. Despite a 2,000-year history of Jewish presence, there are no longer any known Jews living in Afghanistan, as its last Jewish residents Zablon Simintov and Tova Moradi, fled the country in September and October 2021, respectively.

In Syria, another ancient Jewish community saw mass exodus at the end of the 20th century and numbered fewer than 20 in the midst of the Syrian Civil War. The size of the Jewish community in Indonesia has been variously given as 65, 100, or 18 at most over the last 50 years. In Yemen due to the ongoing civil war, the Yemenite Jews have faced persecution by the Houthis, who have demanded they convert to Islam or face mandatory expulsion from the country. The Israeli military has conducted operations evacuating the population and moving them to Israel. On 28 March 2021, 13 Jews were forced by the Houthis to leave Yemen, leaving the last four elderly Jews in Yemen. According to one report there are six Jews left in Yemen: one woman, her brother, three others, and Levi Salem Marahbi (who had been imprisoned for helping smuggle a Torah scroll out of Yemen).

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Talk:Singapura cat

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I hate to be the kind of editor who adds a picture of her cat to Wikipedia...but we didn't have a picture of a Singapura under an appropriate licence, and Raffles has an excellent pedigree. Pedigree certificate available for perusal if you want a look - leave a note on my talk page. Squeezeweasel 22:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

 * You have a handsome cat. I envy you. Thanks for sharing the picture. :) Micasta (talk) 16:27, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Size
The breed is under Guinness book of records as the smallest breed, but breed standards says it's small to medium size? Why the discrepancy?--165.21.154.93 (talk) 03:39, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Singaporeans
In Catz there is a breed called "singaporean". Is that this breed of cat? Just when I first got the game I knew of the breed Singapura and just assumed they'd spelt it wrong. 13:16, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Drain cat
It seems to me that an explanation of the term, used in text and in a photo caption, is in order. Irish Melkite (talk) 14:09, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Selkirk Rex

An image of a Selkirk Rex (mine) has been added.

Things needed to improve this page: Kpstewart (talk) 05:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * "wikify" the page by organizing the paragraphs into separate headings
 * include references and in-text citations

Origin of breed
Under the photo, it indicates Hungary as the place of origin, but the article states that the first known cat with the mutation was in Montana. Which is correct? Citation? Thanks. Wcbpolish (talk) 15:18, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Scottish Fold

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Basis for claim
What is the basis for saying that Scottish Folds are "not very vocal?" Ours loves to wake us up at 7 am every morning. --BrownHornet21 17:55, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Ours too, she wakes us up at 6:30 every morning without fail, we don't have to use alarm clock anymore. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Desadevil (talk • contribs).

Mine too. I had very good conversations with him. He was wise enough not to argue. His name was Devil (he was a sweetheart)Tflad (talk) 07:39, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

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 * (Notice, NOT reverting...not worth an edit war over something trivial.)YO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Better pictures, please!
Can't we have better pictures for the Scottish fold? No offense to anyone, but, man! those cats in the article are very unattractive. Micasta (talk) 12:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, they made me lol. Gotta love the "Winston Churchill" caption. - 60.50.244.123 (talk) 18:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

What's with "Winston Churchill"
I seriously have no idea what's going on with that image of the cat. This page should possibly be protected from anons because I think they're the ones doing it. -- M elon 2 4 7 talk 17:43, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I have edited the article a little bit. When I began I was not an registered user. Now I am and re-edited it. So now you all can find me. LOL Tflad (talk) 07:34, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Some confusion about the gene itself
The article says the gene that causes this is a dominant gene. However, in the Characteristics section, there's this line: "Because these cats [cats with straight ears with a Fold parent] are still bearers of the gene it is not recommended to use them for breeding with a Fold." These seem to contradict each other: if they had the gene, which is dominant, it would be expressed. There also seems to be no support for the second half, that those cats shouldn't be used for breeding. I'm having trouble with the source given so I can't confirm. 71.55.221.229 (talk) 09:41, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

 * Well I think nobody really knows what gene it is,which function and how it is really expressed. There is only *one* source for the dominant expression (O.Jackson: Congenital bone lesions in cats with folded ears. Bull Fel Advis Bur 1975;14:2-4). BTW not very trustworthy source because of inbred studies and breeding with obvious sick animals. No real research is done yet on the gene. Also the wp article says that all heterozygous animals get OCD. Sorry but that's nonsense.There are less than 10 publications in PubMED on OCD in SFs since the 1970s, there must be a lot more (taken in account that there a lot of SF breeders in US and Japan/East Europe).--Phaeton68 (talk) 11:53, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Pokemon Reference
There is a pokemon based on a scottish fold and it keeps being deleted in the fiction section. Stop it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.11.235.167 (talk) 20:43, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Eevee 2A02:2F07:6209:9600:D895:2E7:2EB6:2367 (talk) 12:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

And again I had to put the reference back in. Kaorichan2009 (talk) 05:08, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Your reference is a topic on a Pokemon wiki with no citation. The reference in its talk page reads "It's obvious to all of us that Espurr is a cat, right? Well, I've looked up some pictures of cats, and I think it may be specifically based off of the Scottish Fold." A fan assumption isn't a valid source. 31.50.232.82 (talk) 22:20, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Pets
Are lions and tigers considered pets 2601:4C3:8101:55E0:75EC:BB24:24F7:DE51 (talk) 00:02, 21 January 2022 (UTC) First of all this is off topic and second of all the talk pages are for improving the pages, not for chit-chat 92.3.186.65 (talk) 15:58, 11 July 2022 (UTC) FoxGalah

Added picture of habits.
My edit of the Habits section addinga picture of the breed laying on its back was removed due to it being my file upload. I added it after figuring out that the claimed habits have no demoonstration and don't think it should be removed solely because it's my personal cat. I just used the picture because I have the rights for it. If it must be a random pet (although alot of cats are at the end, someone's cat) that's fine. but I think it adds to the breed's description since it has unique behaviours. @silvertiger12 added user for discussion. Reef Polak (talk) 20:19, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

 * Cats lying on their back like that is hardly a behavior unique to the Scottish Fold and it is inaccurate and misleading to portray it as such. SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:21, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Your agrument is irellevant to this edit. the fact and text regarding this statement werent made by me and it's not my place to defend them (although I think they are in place). it's a citated claim in the body of this article. I only added a picture to demonstrate it. since this is part of the article, you can either dispute the whole subject or not, that's up to another discussion. the pictures and you removing it is a different topic. I am therfor suggesting to add a photo (either the one added, or another one) of the habits of the cat, otherwise, as you say, the habits statements add nothing as they dont distinguish this breed from others. Reef Polak (talk) 04:15, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with @Reef Polak. The cited fact appears in the article and debating it is irrelevant to this image. In my opinion the image is a good addition and should be returned. סתו שר (talk) 20:07, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

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Maquila Solidarity Network

The Maquila Solidarity Network (MSN) based in Toronto describes itself as: "'A Canadian network promoting solidarity with groups in Mexico, Central America, Africa, and Asia organizing in maquiladora factories and export processing zones to improve conditions and win a living wage.'"

The network is the secretariat of the Ethical Trading Action Group (ETAG) in Canada. ETAG is an advocating coalition of faith, labour, and non-governmental organizations. They advocate to promote government policies, voluntary codes of conduct, and purchasing policies that promote humane labour practices based on accepted international standards.

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Talk:Nebelung

"Creature of Mist"?
The definition of Nebelung as found in this article is not listed in the standard German dictionary, the Duden, so I can't really leave the "translation" "creature of mist" in. As far as I can tell, whoever started this breed merged two words: 1.) Nibelungen (the old Germanic Saga, which includes figures after whom the first couple was named, Siegfried and Brunhilde). 2.) Nebel (the German word for Mist). If someone has a better, more accurate description of how the Name came to be, please feel free to change my current text. 85.177.82.150 (talk)

I went ahead and changed this, the "creature of mist" 'translation' seems like something created without thought to any actual meaning. Amontadillo (talk) 13:18, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Nebelung Attributes
I have had a Nebelung for over ten years and there are several observations that need mentioning about the "elegant fairytale,  with its coat that reminds of dew in a summer dawn".

Fur: Nebelung fur is very fine/light and infinitely abundant (inbreed with a dandelion?). Combing only makes things worse by creating a hairball that is larger than the offending cat ;-). After a few years, their fur is EVERYWHERE and covers things like dust. Example, every few months, I need to take apart my computer and mouse to remove all the fur twisted around the moving parts. Fur can make its way into CD Rom drives. If one was to seal a clean jar and come back later, it would likely have fur in it, it's that bad.

Personality: Nebelungs are 99% lap cats (heat seeking) and are clingy attention sponges. The only way you can have any time alone is to have a closed door between you and the cat. Laid back and mellow. slow whiny and wimpy meow.

Activity: Normal movement is best described as slinky, much like a sloth. Lighting fast when motivated.

Eating: very particular but pukes a lot when it overeats. Must regulate food amount in dish.

Intelligence: Questionable.
 * 2014 update: Seems to have some intelligence but is reserved and not blatant about showing it being so laid back. He does pick up on verbal cues and hand commands and responds quickly and correctly, this makes him appear well mannered. Still trying to decide if he is "good" by choice and therefor smart or too retarded to do anything mischievous. So much effort may have been put into the quality of the fur that brains may have been sacrificed.Septagram (talk) 16:59, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Other than that, my Nebelung has been one of the best cats I have owned.
 * 2014 update: Despite all the negatives of their omnipresent fur and puking, still a great cat.Septagram (talk) 16:59, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Septagram (talk) 04:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

i still have a Nebelung named shadow. his traits arent matching whats here... hes: Timid, likes to be alone, rarely inside except when he comes to eat, huge dork, and not that bright. -Sterling — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.24.173.141 (talk) 21:24, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Can We give the Nebelung a new infobox photo?
Just find the right photo on Google that everyone will agree on, and crop it out. The reason why I gave this idea is because the current photo doesn’t show the face that much, and also, its a little too dark.

Also, can we add health issues for the Nebelung? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.23.154.148 (talk) 00:01, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Can we change the photo for the Nebelung’s infobox, and add health issues for the cat breed?
This is because it is a little too dark, and the face isn’t totally showing.

Also, can we add health issues, because almost every animal has health issues, but some rarely get them — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.23.154.148 (talk) 16:25, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Can we change the photo for the Nebelung’s infobox, and add health issues for the cat breed? This is because it is a little too dark, and the face isn’t totally showing.
Also, can we add health issues, because almost every animal has health issues, but some rarely get them — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathan;dlsa (talk • contribs) 23:46, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Personality
We have a female nebulong that we just found out is a nebulon she looks just like the cats and when everything is described down to personality to a tee. She just turned a year so she's a little over a year we just had her fixed a month or so ago. Although I would like to comment on at least her personality I don't know if the rest of them would because every cat is different but her personality is very more lively and hyper now don't get me wrong she does get in her laid back state but she is a very lovable attached but playful hyper wants to run and act crazy at times when they say that they are very attached to and follow their owners around yet that's very correct she follows everyone around but particularly likes to sleep and cuddle with my daughter. 107.115.207.35 (talk) 17:54, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

 * My male that was turned into the pound, was surrendered by his first owners for chewing on coards, I haven’t had a bit of that in my home. Sadly they declawed all 4 of his paws so the poor thing can’t scratch his thick beautiful coat. Their loss and my gain of this smart and intelligent animal. He tells on himself and takes you to where he has thrown up or to where something is out of place. He is afraid of loud noises or quick movements, I believe are due to being mistreated by the first owners. He is my loyal, loving, devoted big ball of super fine silky hair. The best cat I have ever owned. 170.203.167.182 (talk) 18:42, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Munchkin cat

=Ethics - / Varied Opinions= First of all this wikipedia article is written with a biased set of opinions. and wikipedia articles, can be written by anyone. Second. I am 100% sure, that if you did a side by side comparison of the agility between a regular cat, and this cat, you would find, that the munchkin would be lacking by at least 50% because they're legs are 50% shorter. Do the math. I would finally like to add this nice quote from the wikipedia article cited "One veteran show judge resigned in protest, calling the breed an affront to breeders with ethics." So If in effect you are taking part in breeding an animal, that has less ability than the standard breed, it could definitely be deemed unethical, to rob the animal, of something it was supposed to have, simply for aesthetics. Yes they are amazingly cute. That doesn't make it right. When we choose to continue, breeding defective trait qualities, into animals, we are playing god essentially. But us humans love to do this. It's in our human nature. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Docdemort (talk • contribs)
 * Most of what you've said is correct.
 * wikipedia articles, can be written by anyone.
 * Why should it be a bad thing, this is what we called open collaboration, the motivation is on us at time to fix the article, WP:SOFIXIT.
 * Two ethical problems which are entirely omitted in this article, 1. The interest in such retarded breed, encourage inbreeding, which generates unnecessarily many cats, consists of unnecessarily many retarded cats, unnecessarily many death. 2. The retarded bleed itself, cripples the ability for cats to hunt, run, jump...etc. an ill-formed body which defies the nature of its own (aka cat's nature).
 * But us humans love to do this. It's in our human nature.
 * Sorry, I for one am not exposed to such nature, it is disgusting for me to cripple something just so it must depend on you, so I tend to think that this is a cultural thing and personally I say this is misguided. --14.198.220.253 (talk) 16:29, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Breeding ban
The link for the breed being banned in Scotland leads to a ministirial statement that the Scottish Government intends to ban the breed, this is not the same as saying that they are banned. The actual ban was introduced by the Animal Welfare (Licensing of Activities Involving Animals) (Scotland) Regulations 2021/84 (Scottish SI), however, this only applies to breeders requiring a licence. Therefore, the ban is not total Jimbobpotato999 (talk) 21:05, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

 * It's been removed. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:54, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Validity of sources [25][26][27]
Are these sources appropriate for a claim that no issues were found during an X-ray of Munchkin cats? Maybe the breeder did report it as such but I don't feel any non-study should be used as evidence/citation for a claim regarding the health of a breed. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:10, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

 * Gone ahead and removed sources [25] and [26] and removed the claim about x-rays. Traumnovelle (talk) 23:11, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Javanese cat

question
is it pronounced havanese?

No, it's pronounced as in Java, the island as well as the programming language. Eggytoast 16:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Points
In Europe the classification as Javanese (or Mandarin) implies no points. Therefore the more (or less) correct name of the breed here is Oriental Longhair as TICA names it. The reason for naming Javanese as "pointed" cats is solely the fact, that CFA only accepts "Siamese" in four colours: seal, chocolate, blue and lilac. All other pointed oriental cats are according to CFA "Oriental". To me, it doesn't make sense, to call a pointed cat Javanese, only to obey the rules of CFA. Mentions Harald wehner (talk) 14:55, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Pardon? And re edits
Sorry- no idea what that person above said- but will include. Article probably needs attention of expert- preferably science or veterinarian background.Peeweebee (talk) 16:15, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Academic Language
What is with the "so called" phrases in this article. The phrase so called refers to uncertainty, there is no uncertainty in an encyclopedia. This should be further researched and fixed. 168.103.182.71 (talk) 01:13, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

NOT really from Java
The lede points out clearly that this breed does not really come from Java. So why does this article still need to point this out further down?
 * "The Javanese breed has a long, silky coat in a variety of colors. It is distinct from the native domestic cats of Java which have very short hair, approximately 2 cm long, due to the hot and humid equatorial climate."

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Talk:Havana Brown

=Accuracy of this page= I'm a little intrigued by some of the statements in this page, in particular that the Havana is a British breed. The GCCF and FIFe both don't recognize Havana as a separate breed; it's an Oriental Short Hair. Yes, possibly there was a very similar cat in the 1890s (Brown Siamese? There are people who believe that might have been a Burmese), but what does that have to do with the current US breed?

This is also the first I've heard of Havanas being endangered. Certainly internationally they can be born in any Oriental Short Hair litter.

Can somebody update this page to show the international picture? Groogle 07:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Chestnut Oriental Shorthairs and Havana Browns are not the same cat. As you note, GCCF doesn't recognize them as a seperate breed, this is because there aren't any in the UK. The stock that produced the Havana Brown (called Chestnut Brown in the UK at the time) was bred back into the Siamese line and is indeed no longer a seperate breed. ref: http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/articles/havana.html Merenta (talk) 16:03, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

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Nonbacterial thrombotic endocarditis

Nonbacterial thrombotic endocarditis (NBTE) is a form of endocarditis in which small sterile vegetations are deposited on the valve leaflets. Formerly known as marantic endocarditis, which comes from the Greek marantikos, meaning "wasting away". The term "marantic endocarditis" is still sometimes used to emphasize the association with a wasting state such as cancer.

Risk factors
Marantic vegetations are often associated with previous rheumatic fever. Other risk factors include:
 * hypercoagulable states
 * malignant cancers, especially mucin-producing adenocarcinomas (most commonly associated with pancreatic adenocarcinomas)
 * systemic lupus erythematosus: Referred to as Libman-Sacks endocarditis
 * trauma (e.g., catheters)
 * Antiphospholipid syndrome

Valve predilection
The disease affects the valves with following predilection: mitral valve > aortic valve > tricuspid valve > pulmonary valve

Histopathology
Grossly, vegetations form along lines of valve closure and are generally symmetric with a smooth or verrucoid (warty) texture. Histologically, lesions are composed of fibrin (eosinophilic) and platelets but, unlike bacterial etiologies, contain little evidence of PMNs, microorganisms or inflammation.

Diagnosis
Due to the non-invasive nature of NBTE, clinical examination may or may not reveal a new murmur. An embolic stroke may be the first feature to suggest diagnosis of NBTE. An echocardiogram is essential for visualization of the mass.

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Talk:Devon Rex

A photo.. to begin with (?)
I just found one of the first photos of Urd (my Devon Rex). Of course I can't be very NPOV about her, so I uploaded it, but I leave to others to judge and, in case, put it in the article. I can search thru my photo archive or even take specific photo of her, if needed (she's 7 years old now). --Lapo Luchini 13:30, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm going to add this picture to the breed table, until we have one of an adult. If you have any good pictures of her now, they would be very useful. Lachatdelarue (talk) 14:14, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Added an array of photos
Of my devons. If you want more, I have hundreds. Dmurawski 00:34, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Copy edit
I have done a brief copy edit of the page. I removed an unnecessary ref to the businesses selling these cats, as it was already referred to in the sentence, plus the individual naming of a cat in a caption. I also have no idea what is meant by this sentence: so I have removed it. If a non-expert (such as me) doesn't understand what is meant, it should be rephrased. Can someone who knows what was meant re-phrase and reinsert? 86.133.246.184 22:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Toe color varies from fur color to fur color.

Another Devon Rex Photo

I have added a picture here of our Adult Female Devon Rex. She has sealpoint siamese markings. You can use it or delete it if you want.

Fluffball70 01:19, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Discrepancy in info provided re: Devon layers/types of hair
There's a discrepancy in the info on this page.

In "Discovering and Relations" it says that Devons have all three types of hair: "In the Devon Rex, all types of hair are present but are abnormal in texture." (which seems confirmed by the reference below), but then in "Role In Allergy Control" it says there's a missing layer: "It is true that their missing layer of hair..."

Is there someone who knows more about the breed who could fix the problem in the Allergy section?

On the CFA breed page (http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/articles/devon.html) it says: The Devon has all three types of coat hair; however, the guard hair is very sparse, short and rexed. It has a slightly denser texture and is thus responsible for the more open, billowing wave and the looser curl of the Devon coat.

Twinkleblue 00:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
Although this is good and detailed article in general, there were parts that were somewhat poorly written or not in an encyclopeadic style (Eg. "They are the ETs of the cat world"). There was a little too much information on the prices in the introduction (we aren't told what relevance the changes in prices have), and the behaviour section was too long. I've thinned some of it out, and I've also removed:

"They become very attached, often following and miaowing for their human and sitting on their shoulder, like a pirate's parrot.

Additionally, the Devon Rex is extremely fond of "helping" its owners around the house with all manner of tasks. Whether one is washing the dishes, vacuuming the carpet, pruning the garden or taking out the rubbish - the owner of a Devon will find their velvet furred friend only too happy to assist in whatever manner it may. Generally this consists of poking and prodding with paws and climbing to a better vantage point but can also involve darting in and out between ones legs. If you try and shut a devon out, they will cry and feverently try to open the door."

as I don't see what extra this information it really conveys, and strays on the wrong side of cutesyness. --163.1.176.254 22:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

ET?
I thought that was the name for an alien, not a cat! Haha!

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Talk:California Spangled

I wrote the original of California Spangled Cat, and have vainly searched on the 'Net for a copyright-free photo. Any wikipedians with a California Spangled Cat, or who have friends with one? At present, I'm throwing in the towel.

dino 04:06, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have a cat guide, and my cat looks a lot like the California Spangled...at least the ones I've seen. I could give this article a photo if you're desperate, but she's not purebred.

Kitty the Random 20:32, 20 Jan 2006 (UTC)

This article meets the requirements of at least a "start" class article, so I'm removing the tag that says it's a stub.--Spiritgirl58 (talk) 18:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

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I am the niece of the originator of this breed. Any info can be directed towards me and can be forwarded to the appropriate family member. --Caserini (talk) 05:07, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Bombay cat

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Added some citations in the article. More on the way. :) ENVY DIS (talk) 13:44, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

this was edited DOWN to a stub by someone who said the data i put into it is not verifiable...

well im restoring it to what it was with the open invitation to come and watch my cat (yes i actually own the beauty in the picture) or get a book about cat breeds and read up on their personalities... its all verifiable and i will be finding some sources to verify it... so leave it alone and actually look somewhere OTHER than online for facts... try a library the book "encyclopedia of the cat" or something similar to that, i forget the title now

update, ive included 3 external links to help verify the information

yeah i got the book here... encyclopedia of the cat it contains stuff about the personality of the bombay breed, ill find the page and reference it inside the article later on

Last section doesn't seem to be written in a formal tone. Rest of article seems okay, though.

Outside reader note: I am not sure how to provide input but Bombay cats are NOT just an American breed. They are also in Europe. It is not an American only breed. It might be better to note this is the American version of this type of cat.

Personality Section
The section on personality seems to be in parts describing domestic cats in general and in others describing an individual animal (presumably the one pictured). Please remember that this is a resource for people interested in Bombay cats as a breed and not just your pet, beautiful as it may be

- No, I didn't write that article - I just provided the picture of the cat.

Backifran

I have owned and showed Bombays for over 20 years and this is my description of an American Bombay's personality. American Bombays are single people cats, they tend to have one person who is the center of their world. Unlike most cats, Bombays are very demonstrative and demanding when it comes to attention. Bombay's will often times follow you around the house and leap to your sholder when you stop moving. They are great pets for someone who wants a constant companion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Susangusfo (talk • contribs) 20:26, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

The wording needs to be changed in the current article. It doesn't sound as if it's talking about Bombay cats in general but of a specific cat, and sounds personal and less neutral. 24.192.68.230 (talk) 02:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

poor quality references
This has got to be one of the most poorly written pages on Wikipedia. Contributors need to consider that this is an encyclopedic entry and not a forum for talking about your own pet. Also being the owner of one Bombay Cat does not qualify you to write a Wikipedia page, especially if not using references. The reference that I find particularly poor is "5" http://mybombaycat.com/bombay-cat-characteristics-and-personality/ Not only does this website contradict itself several times, but it totally contradicts the rest of what people have written in the Wikipedia page. For example, the Wikipedia page currently states that Bombay cats are medium sized heavy cats, whereas this reference states that they are small cats. So which is it? I would suggest that all sentences linking to this reference are deleted. Many of these made-up "facts" are in the personality section and seem to be one person's view of their particular cat and in my experience could be associated with just about any breed of cat. Surely someone from the breed association can provide a photo example of the two main lines of Bombay cats and rewrite this article. 60.234.229.163 (talk) 03:07, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

picture of british bombay cat
it looks precisely like my cat, it's almost uncanny.. the little bald patches above the eyes, the little red spot and even a few grey/white hairs below her neck?

is that typical of all british bombay cats?

- mine looks EXACTLY the same Kiarasexton 01:04, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Has anyone noticed the seeming telepathy of the Bombay? We are disabled and run a cat sanctuary of Bombays. Before I have a panic attack, my (indoor) Bombays come to be and get me to pet them to calm down. Before my (also) disabled room mate has a seizure, the (indoor) Bombay warns us. With one look they can tell you exactly what they want and when you have provided it, they seemingly "reward" you with some sort of affection for being as smart as they are, LITERALLY. I was NOT a cat lover going into this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roxicon (talk • contribs) 21:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

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Eye color
The citations given does not match the description, thus the sentence "The eyes are always copper-golden coloured, and green eyes are not allowed" should be removed. This is also an incorrect statement. The British Bombay cat can have eyes from Golden to green in colour. https://www.purina.co.uk/find-a-pet/cat-breeds/bombay#:~:text=Their%20name%20'Bombay'%20was%20chosen,Bombays%20usually%20have%20green%20eyes. 2600:8800:5293:6F00:943B:8996:B37:FAA (talk) 18:09, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Purina is not a reliable source for the appearance of cat breeds. The breed standard supports the claim about eye colour.
 * The sentence is supported by the TICA standard which states to withhold awards from cats with green eyes: in simpler terms TICA do not recognise cats with green eyes as conforming to the breed standard.
 * The GCCF standard says green is acceptable but their standard includes the Asian and other breeds rather than merely the Bombay itself like TICA/CFA. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:40, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * My beautiful American Bombay has gorgeous eyes that turn from Golden to a perfect Green. It all depends on His Mood! Happy to Very Happy and he is so very much loved by his “MA” which he’s called me and me only since the day I brought him home. He’s very sweet and so extremely Loveable. I will love My Magic Baby Forever and Ever. 12.232.149.90 (talk) 14:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

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User:Wekins

My goal for Wikipedia is to create more critical and constructive discussion about the topic on which people write. If I am asking questions, it is not to prove the writer wrong, but to help the writter develop a more defined and accurate description of their topic. By answering the questions, not sarcastically or with "because you are an idiot", we can start a duscussion which will provide the public with less opinion and more truth. Also, if I ask for a reference, I am not implying you are a liar, I am just trying to keep history and opinion seperated from each other.

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Talk:Australian Mist

catfacts link deleted, link only there for internet marketing purposes of their adsense site. Site has little value, all content appears stolen.

Archiving FIP claim in case of future study/more evidence
Australian Mists were found to be overrepresented in cases of Feline infectious peritonitis in a review of veterinary clinical records in Sydney.

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Talk:American Curl

Untitled
This reader came to the American Curl article merely for information. As a non-expert, I can only comment on the clarity of the article.

It is mentioned that the origin of the breed was "the result of a spontaneous mutation.[1]" The referenced .pdf [1] requires subscription to the "Journal of Heredity" without which it cannot be viewed, leaving the visitor ultimately with no explanation.

The article mentions that "two stray kittens were found", that one ran away, leaving the sole remaining cat as the "the foundation female of the American Curl breed" but it is unclear why that is significant or how that might be different if the other cat had not ran away. There is a gap in logic here.

The subject heading "History" contains little or no history. Consider changing the heading.

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Talk:Irish Citizen Army

Correct name
The Mauser 1898 rifle shown is completely incorrect. Few M1898 rifles would have been available in 1916, merely a few soldiers' souvenirs. The Mauser rifes available through arms dealers would have been the M1871 (singleshot) and M1871/14 (repeating) Mauser 1871 variants. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.56.138.65 (talk) 18:15, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

The article name says Irish Citizen Army. The first words of the article say Irish Citizens Army. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.122.21.194 (talk • contribs)
 * Fixed. -R. fiend 04:32, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Flag
Flag: how can the design of the ICA flag have changed in the 1930s if, as per the article, the ICA ceased to exist in 1919? Unless this is explained, both image and caption should be removed from this article. Palmiro 13:59, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Because the blue flag with white stars was a mistaken reconstruction made in 1934 (for the Republican Congress), based on faulty recollections of the original flag, which at that time was lost. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.79.33.250 (talk • contribs)

Irish name
I am changing the Irish name of the ICA to Arm Cathartha na hÉireann, as this is the form given in the Irish version of the 1916 Proclamation as well as the Ó Dónaill and de Bhaldraithe dictionaries. - Conghaileach 19:40, 27 June 2007

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In the 'Easter Rising' section:

"The confusion in the chain of command caused conflict with the Volunteers. Harry Colley and Harry Boland came out from their outposts in the Wicklow Chemical Manure Company's office 200 yards away, where they were under the command of an irascible officer, Vincent Poole; the post had been set up by James Connolly, without countermanding orders from affective Volunteers."

a) Are we to assume that the men are Harry Colley and Harry Boland? The Boland article mentions his "active role" in the Rising but gives no details; the Colley article mentions no link.

b) "affective"—what are we to understand by this word? Is it a mis-spelling of "effective"?—or perhaps one of "affected", in the sense that Connolly's actions might have impaired the military strength of the Irish Volunteers present? Or is there another interpretation?

c) Also, there is perhaps an ambiguity in the final sentence between competing senses of "without him countermanding orders from.." and "without orders, that would countermand his, existing from.." Harfarhs (talk) 23:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

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Adenosine deaminase

Adenosine deaminase (also known as adenosine aminohydrolase, or ADA) is an enzyme involved in purine metabolism. It is needed for the breakdown of adenosine from food and for the turnover of nucleic acids in tissues.

Its primary function in humans is the development and maintenance of the immune system. However, the full physiological role of ADA is not yet completely understood.

Structure
ADA exists in both small form (as a monomer) and large form (as a dimer-complex). In the monomer form, the enzyme is a polypeptide chain, folded into eight strands of parallel α/β barrels, which surround a central deep pocket that is the active site. In addition to the eight central β-barrels and eight peripheral α-helices, ADA also contains five additional helices: residues 19-76 fold into three helices, located between β1 and α1 folds; and two antiparallel carboxy-terminal helices are located across the amino-terminal of the β-barrel.

The ADA active site contains a zinc ion, which is located in the deepest recess of the active site and coordinated by five atoms from His15, His17, His214, Asp295, and the substrate. Zinc is the only cofactor necessary for activity.

The substrate, adenosine, is stabilized and bound to the active site by nine hydrogen bonds. The carboxyl group of Glu217, roughly coplanar with the substrate purine ring, is in position to form a hydrogen bond with N1 of the substrate. The carboxyl group of Asp296, also coplanar with the substrate purine ring, forms hydrogen bond with N7 of the substrate. The NH group of Gly184 is in position to form a hydrogen bond with N3 of the substrate. Asp296 forms bonds both with the Zn2+ ion as well as with 6-OH of the substrate. His238 also hydrogen bonds to substrate 6-OH. The 3'-OH of the substrate ribose forms a hydrogen bond with Asp19, while the 5'-OH forms a hydrogen bond with His17. Two further hydrogen bonds are formed to water molecules, at the opening of the active site, by the 2'-OH and 3'-OH of the substrate.

Due to the recessing of the active site inside the enzyme, the substrate, once bound, is almost completely sequestered from solvent. The surface exposure of the substrate to solvent when bound is 0.5% the surface exposure of the substrate in the free state.

Reactions
ADA irreversibly deaminates adenosine, converting it to the related nucleoside inosine by the substitution of the amino group by a keto group.

Inosine can then be deribosylated (removed from ribose) by another enzyme called purine nucleoside phosphorylase (PNP), converting it to hypoxanthine.

Mechanism of catalysis
The proposed mechanism for ADA-catalyzed deamination is stereospecific addition-elimination via tetrahedral intermediate. By either mechanism, Zn2+ as a strong electrophile activates a water molecule, which is deprotonated by the basic Asp295 to form the attacking hydroxide. His238 orients the water molecule and stabilizes the charge of the attacking hydroxide. Glu217 is protonated to donate a proton to N1 of the substrate.

The reaction is stereospecific due to the location of the zinc, Asp295, and His238 residues, which all face the B-side of the purine ring of the substrate.

Competitive inhibition has been observed for ADA, where the product inosine acts at the competitive inhibitor to enzymatic activity.

Function
ADA is considered one of the key enzymes of purine metabolism. The enzyme has been found in bacteria, plants, invertebrates, vertebrates, and mammals, with high conservation of amino acid sequence. The high degree of amino acid sequence conservation suggests the crucial nature of ADA in the purine salvage pathway.

Primarily, ADA in humans is involved in the development and maintenance of the immune system. However, ADA association has also been observed with epithelial cell differentiation, neurotransmission, and gestation maintenance. It has also been proposed that ADA, in addition to adenosine breakdown, stimulates release of excitatory amino acids and is necessary to the coupling of A1 adenosine receptors and heterotrimeric G proteins. Adenosine deaminase deficiency leads to pulmonary fibrosis, suggesting that chronic exposure to high levels of adenosine can exacerbate inflammation responses rather than suppressing them. It has also been recognized that AMP deaminase protein and activity is upregulated in mouse hearts that overexpress HIF-1α, which in part explains the attenuated levels of adenosine in HIF-1α expressing hearts during ischemic stress.

In meiotic and post-meiotic male germ cells ADA2 regulates heterochromatin via translation of the MDC1 gene.

Pathology
Some mutations in the gene for adenosine deaminase cause it not to be expressed. The resulting deficiency is one cause of severe combined immunodeficiency (SCID), particularly of autosomal recessive inheritance. Deficient levels of ADA have also been associated with pulmonary inflammation, thymic cell death, and defective T-cell receptor signaling.

Conversely, mutations causing this enzyme to be overexpressed are one cause of hemolytic anemia.

There is some evidence that a different allele (ADA2) may lead to autism.

Elevated levels of ADA has also been associated with AIDS.

Isoforms
There are 2 isoforms of ADA: ADA1 and ADA2.

 * ADA1 is found in most body cells, particularly lymphocytes and macrophages, where it is present not only in the cytosol and nucleus but also as the ecto- form on the cell membrane attached to dipeptidyl peptidase-4 (aka, CD26). ADA1 is involved mostly in intracellular activity, and exists both in small form (monomer) and large form (dimer). The interconversion of small to large forms is regulated by a 'conversion factor' in the lung.
 * ADA2 was first identified in human spleen. It was subsequently found in other tissues including the macrophage where it co-exists with ADA1. The two isoforms regulate the ratio of adenosine to deoxyadenosine potentiating the killing of parasites. ADA2 is found predominantly in the human plasma and serum, and exists solely as a homodimer.

Clinical significance
ADA2 is the predominant form present in human blood plasma and is increased in many diseases, particularly those associated with the immune system: for example rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis, and sarcoidosis. The plasma ADA2 isoform is also increased in most cancers. ADA2 is not ubiquitous but co-exists with ADA1 only in monocytes-macrophages.

Total plasma ADA can be measured using high performance liquid chromatography or enzymatic or colorimetric techniques. Perhaps the simplest system is the measurement of the ammonia released from adenosine when broken down to inosine. After incubation of plasma with a buffered solution of adenosine the ammonia is reacted with a Berthelot reagent to form a blue colour which is proportionate to the amount of enzyme activity. To measure ADA2, erythro-9-(2-hydroxy-3-nonyl) adenine (EHNA) is added prior to incubation so as to inhibit the enzymatic activity of ADA1. It is the absence of ADA1 that causes SCID.

ADA can also be used in the workup of lymphocytic pleural effusions or peritoneal ascites, in that such specimens with low ADA levels essentially excludes tuberculosis from consideration.

Tuberculosis pleural effusions can now be diagnosed accurately by increased levels of pleural fluid adenosine deaminase, above 40 U per liter.

Cladribine and Pentostatin are anti-neoplastic agents used in the treatment of hairy cell leukemia; their mechanism of action is inhibition of adenosine deaminase.

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 * We already have it: Image:Coventry Cathedral St Michaels Victory.jpg - it's linked in the "other images" section of the article -- sannse (talk) 12:29, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sister Cathedral
The article refers to the Kaiser Wilhelm Cathedral in Berlin, where a situation similar to St. Michael's exists. However, the official sister cathedral of St. Michaels is the Kreuz Kirche (Church of the Cross) in Dresden. This is because Churchill ordered the fire-bombing of Dresden as a retailiation for the Luftwaffe fire-bombing of Coventry. The relationship was formed after the new cathedral was built as an act of reconciliation. I have no references to back this up, other than what I remember from a tour of the Kreuz Kirche that I took in 1993 and a tour of St. Michaels that I took in 1995, but I would recommmend that the watchers of this article research and document these things, as the relationship between St. Michael's and the Kreuz Kirche in Dresden is an important aspect of both cathedrals. Weyandt 13:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

 * The relationship exists also with Frauenkirche, Dresden. By the way, Kirke may be Danish or something, but the German word is Kirche.90.129.197.173 (talk) 10:31, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

 * I know it's been a while, but people will read your claim and give it credence. The mass boming of Dresden came 4 1/2 years after the bombing of Coventry. After many other cities in Britain had been bombed, along with many in Germany. How you causally connect the bombing of Coventry in 1940 directly with that of Dresden in 1945 is unknown, I've certainly never seen the claim elsewhere and it lacks credibility. The only link that you see is the twinning of Coventry with Dresden after WWII. Coventry tinned with other cities including Stalingrad/Volgograd and there the reasoning was similar. These were cities that had a common experience of destruction during WWII and now found themselves on opposire sides in a new "cold war". It was a deliberate policy by the Labour council of promoting international peace and understanding. Coventry Cathedral also of course was involved in these exchanges, especially through its centres for peace and reconciliation. Ecadre (talk) 23:59, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Music
The four-manual organ in Coventry Cathedral was built by Harrison and Harrison.

David LePine, the first choirmaster of the new cathedral, made several innovations. He advocated tonic sol-fa in training the choristers, rehearsed them as often as possible in two parts unaccompanied to promote accurate tuning, and used boy altos instead of adult countertenors. The tone of the choir was unusually bright and full-throated for the period. Does anyone know whether the choir still has these features? Paul Emmons (talk) 05:57, 10 September 2008 (UTC) comment added by Paul Emmons (talk • contribs) 05:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Boy altos are not used. Both female altos and male countertenors are now used. And as far as I know tonic sol-fa is no longer used.--212.159.100.49 (talk) 21:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Pre-bombing photograph(s) needed
This article needs a photo or two of the original cathedral, before it was bombed. The 1880 drawing is interesting, but it would be awesome to see some photos. --208.65.188.23 (talk) 04:12, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

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1962 consecration concerts
In addition to the War Requiem, another concert, featuring the Berlin philharmonic orchestra playing Bruckner's 9th symphony also occurred. According to this post "the Berlin Philharmonic (conducted by Hans Schmidt-Isserstedt) performed Beethoven Symphony no 7 and Bruckner Symphony no 9." this concert happened "the day after the royal train arrived", ie on 26th May. https://www.historiccoventryforum.co.uk/main/forum-posts.php?id=9513&s=15&show_cats=all (to edit into main article) Lawrence18uk (talk) 17:15, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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Frank Hanly

James Franklin Hanly (April 4, 1863 – August 1, 1920) was an American politician who served as a congressman from Indiana from 1895 until 1897, and was the 26th governor of Indiana from 1905 to 1909. He was the founder of Hanly's Flying Squadron, which advocated prohibition nationally and played an important role in arousing public support for prohibition.

During his term as governor he successfully advocated the passage of a local-option liquor law, which led the majority of Indiana's counties to ban liquor sales. His other achievements included banning gambling, fighting political corruption, and adjusting state agencies to operate on a non-partisan basis. He left office and the Republican Party and became an active and vocal prohibitionist. He was an unsuccessful Prohibition Party candidate for President of the United States in the 1916 election.

Early life
Hanly was born in a log cabin near St. Joseph, Illinois on April 4, 1863, the youngest of the seven children of Elijah and Anna Calton Hanly. His mother taught him to read at home, even though she was blind. As a young man he lived for a while on a farm in the nearby village of Homer. In Homer he attended the Liberty rural school for one year where he became known as a formidable debater. At age sixteen he left home to attend the common schools and the Eastern Illinois Normal School at Danville, Illinois, until 1879. He worked odd jobs to pay for his schooling, and often slept in barns. That year he graduated he moved to Warren County, Indiana where he taught in the state public schools from 1881 to 1889.

He met Eva Augusta Rachel Simmer and the couple married in 1881. Together, they had five children, but only one survived childhood. While teaching he became friends with a local judge, Joseph M. Rabb. Rabb encouraged Hanly to take an active part in politics and stump in behalf of Republicans. Hanly studied law and was admitted to the bar in 1889, joining Rabb's law office in Williamsport, Indiana. Hanly practiced law with Ele Stansbury, a young lawyer who would later serve as Indiana Attorney General.

Early campaigns
He was elected as a member of the Indiana State Senate in an 1889 special election to fill and empty state senate seat, defeating George W. Cronk, and served there from 1890 until 1891. In the senate he gained a reputation for vigorous oration.

Congress
He ran as a Republican and won election to the Fifty-fourth Congress, serving from March 4, 1895 to March 3, 1897. During his term his district was realigned by the Democratic controlled Indiana General Assembly, who created a gerrymander of his district causing him to lose his re-election in 1896.

U.S. Senate campaign
He launched a campaign for Republican nomination for U.S. Senate in 1899, but was defeated in the Republican legislature vote by Albert J. Beveridge. The election caused a major division in the state party, and progressive anti-prohibition candidates supported Beveridge, while the prohibition and conservative wing of the party supported Hanly. After losing the nomination, he briefly retired from politics. The split worsened following the election, leading progressives to split from the Republican party. Hanly went on a speaking tour around the state to build up support for another run for office. His speeches were fiery and often quoted Abraham Lincoln.

Governor

Hanly reentered politics in 1904, and won the Republican nomination for governor of Indiana. Hanly was elected Governor of Indiana, defeating John W. Kern by 84,364 votes. The election was hard-fought by Hanly, who delivered excoriating speeches against the Democratic party which he referred to as "unholy", and "great only its ability to destroy." He called their election campaign "selfish" and said they ran it only so they could "obtain the flesh pot of office." Hanly was considered a party maverick and he pushed his own agenda, rather than his party's platform, once in office. He pushed for what he considered major state reforms, accomplishing many of them. He crusaded against liquor, horse-racing and political corruption, even prosecuting members of his own administration for embezzlement.

Using his popularity, he was able to have the Republican-controlled General Assembly pass legislation to ban gambling on horse races in the state and at the Indiana State Fair. He successfully reorganized most of the state government in an attempt to make the government bureaus non-partisan. He was able to successfully achieve his goal among the state's law enforcement, correctional facilities, and state-run charities. He also brought considerable improvement to the state's accounting methods. He required detailed expense reports to be created by all state employees seeking reimbursements, began regular audits of all spending, and with the support of the state treasurer, he began to establish new accounts by which the government could better monitor where funds were being spent, and by whom.

In 1907, he signed the Compulsory Sterilization Law, which mandated the sterilization of certain individuals in state custody, making Indiana the first state to adopt eugenics legislation. The legislation was part of the progressive agenda and received broad support at the time. Governor Thomas R. Marshall later ordered the practice stopped in 1909. In 1921, the Indiana Supreme Court found the law unconstitutional.

A major scandal broke shortly after he entered office, when it was found the public officials had been using their expense accounts to pay for gambling debts at the French Lick Springs Hotel, owned by the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, Thomas Taggart. Hanly harangued Taggart for breaking the law by establishing a "Monte Carlo." In July 1906 he ordered the state police to raid French Lick and West Baden, and seized several slot machines, roulette wheels, poker sets, playing cards, Klondike tables, gambling records, dice, and a whole host of other gambling implements. He brought suit against the corporations operating the French Lick Springs Hotel and the West Baden Springs Hotel seeking to seize their properties for profiting from illegal activities. John Kerns, who Hanly defeated for governor in 1904, represented the hotels. The case dragged on until after Hanly left office. In 1910 an Orange County jury ruled in favor of the hotels.

Hanly was most concerned about temperance and was known to support a ban on liquor. His stated reason for supporting prohibition was the effect that alcoholics had on their children. He championed a bill that would allow counties to ban the sale of alcohol. The General Assembly had failed to pass the bill during their two normal sessions during his terms, so he called a special session in 1908 to have the body take up debate of the propose bill, which they passed. Once enacted, 72 of Indiana's 92 counties went dry, banning the sale of all liquors. The timing of the passage of the bill caused it to become a major election issue, and Hanly had robbed the Republicans of one of the primary plank of their platform and alienated progressives, costing Republicans the election.

Prohibition party
While still governor, Hanly began to make work with the Anti-Saloon League. Early on he discovered the divisions within the prohibitionist movement and was instrumental in unifying the groups and their goal. He was among the first to advocate a constitutional amendment to ban the sale of liquor, and the prohibitionists rallied to that goal.

Hanly was a prohibition lecturer throughout the United States from 1910 to 1920 and in France in 1919. He organized the Flying Squadron of America (sometimes called Hanly's Flying Squadron), a temperance organization that staged a nationwide campaign to promote temperance. It consisted of three groups of revivalist-like speakers who toured cities across the country between September 30, 1914 and June 6, 1915.

Hanly left the Republican party to join the new Prohibition Party following his term as governor. In 1915 he was nominated to be the party's candidate for governor, but he declined, and instead became the Progressive Party's candidate. He was later nominated to be the Prohibition Party's candidate for President of the United States in the 1916 election. Hanly was overwhelmingly defeated; the ticket of Hanly and Ira Landrith garnered 221,030 votes, or about 1.2% of the total.

In April 1920 Hanly argued the case of Hawke v. Smith, a challenge to the Eighteenth Amendment, before the United States Supreme Court. The case was based on the belief that the amendment had been invalidated when Ohio overturned their previous ratification of the amendment after a public referendum. Hanly won a unanimous decision issued on June 1, 1920, upholding prohibition and determining that Ohio could not change their vote after the tally had already been taken among the states.

Death
While on a trip to Ohio in 1920 to give anti-liquor lectures, he was involved in an automobile-train accident near Dennison, Ohio and died from his injuries. He is interred at Hillside Cemetery, near Williamsport, Indiana.

Electoral history
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I added the picture which was originally linked to because it is allowed according that website. Problem now is, that I can't get the picture to show up if I make "www.aviewoncities.com" an actual link to that website. Any ideas? -Lapunkd

This building is actually called the "Gooderham Building". The term "flatiron" was coined 10 years after this building was constructed. A similar building in New York was dubbed the "Flatiron Building" because of its shape and the one in Toronto also attracted this nickname. Everyone refers to it as the "Flatiron Building" but it is actually the "Gooderham Building" as noted by the historical plaque at the entrance.

I do not know how to change the title of this page but wanted to alert you to the fact that is wrong. Montyjam 20:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)montyjam

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What is the building currently used for? That does not seem clearly stated in the article. NorthernThunder (talk) 06:33, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

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The mural
Two points for whoever would like to improve this article: (1) a photo of the mural would be useful in this article, and (2) the text currently says, "It is a picture of the Perkins Building, which is located directly across the street," but I don't see a building across any of the local streets that has windows that look like those in the mural. I'm tempted to remove the sentence, but left it in case somebody can make more sense of the statement. Regards,  PK T (alk)  16:33, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Two cats in a dog fountain
After a recent trip to this location (June 2018), I discovered there are TWO cats. One is at the lower tier at the fountain itself, while the other (black & white tuxedo) is on top of a metallic cube within the park, near Wellington St.

Unfortunately, I didn't take a picture and prefer not to update without evidence.

Could anyone confirm and update accordingly?

TIA. SanGatiche (talk) 20:41, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

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