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Talk:South Station

Intercity bus terminal
The intercity bus terminal predates 2001 as I used it in 1997. --Daniel C. Boyer 18:23, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * There used to be one in the median of the Artery south of Congress Street ; that may have been the one you used. --SPUI 18:34, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I think he may be right. I found this on Google Groups:

 * "Apr 7 1998, 3:00 am
 * From yesterday's Boston Globe "Ask The Globe" column. ...

 * Q. When was the new bus terminal opened for business at South Station?

 * A. The $122 million South Station Transportation Center, or Intermodal Transportation Center, opened in October 1995, complete with marble floor, a quarter-acre waiting area, and a 50-foot dome atop the rotunda. There you can buy tickets, food, and services. Some 700 buses go in and out each day, carrying close to 10,000 passengers. With spaces for more than 230 cars, passengers can drive into the city, park, and head to the bus, commuter rail, Amtrak, or subway - all under one roof. ... Ron Newman            rnew...@thecia.net"

 * Of course you are correct about the location of the Bus Station that preceded the current one. --agr 15:47, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Greyhound if you can remember back actually used to have their terminal in the Back Bay neighborhood on St. James Avenue. I think it was at 10 St. James Avenue?.(It has since been torn down.) When the new South Station bus terminal over the commuter rail tracks was completed they relocated their Boston area bus terminal to there. CaribDigita (talk) 14:24, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup tag?
Can it go away? I don't think the article is as need of cleanup as the banner contends. Geoff.green 02:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

 * OK, going away.. Still needs work, of course, but no more so than the average Wikipedia article that doesn't have a cleanup banner. Geoff.green 18:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Postal relocation
I was wondering if anyone had any information about where the South Station bulk mail center was being moved to, and whether or not there will still be a 24-hour post office afterwords. -- Beland 06:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Services section
The services section in the info box is way too long and duplicates a more compact version nearer to the top. I propose removing it.--agr (talk) 16:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Well first of all, I don't see any duplicates anywhere in the article. Second, the infobox is a vital part of a good station article however, I do see your point about it being way too long. What we need to do is make it collapsible. I'm going to take this discussion over to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains since this is a very interesting subject. Murjax (talk) 17:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Address
Hi, I've been trying to look at deeds records and the Boston City Assessor's website to get exact dimensions of the building and land, the city Assessor's website seems to give the address as 640 Atlantic Avenue (This made sense to me, because the Federal Bank Reserve building across the street is 600 Atlantic Avenue). To add to that though, I think I do recall the bus terminal in the rear being called 700 Atlantic Avenue. Would it be better to list the Address here as 640-700 Atlantic Avenue? CaribDigita (talk) 14:16, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Boston City Assessor's website Parcel ID: 0305364000

 * I'd go with 640 Atlantic Ave. That's the address of South Station, which is the title of the article.--agr (talk) 16:52, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Restaurants, shops, shopping districts
I'd question the section "Restaurants, shops, shopping districts" which defines them as being "within a radius of approximately one mile." That covers most of downtown Boston and seems way beyond the scope of this article. In particular, one would normally go to other transit stations to get to most of these places.--agr (talk) 16:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Right. I can't find a single item there served primarily by the South Station T stop. Time to be bold and remove the section. Its presence may also be questionable per WP:NOTDIR. Hertz1888 (talk) 18:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Add this picture?
this would show how much of south station was demolished since 1898. http://www.south-station.net/Images/Photos/LargePhotos/newhaven2.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.122.12.166 (talk) 20:35, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Proposed Split
I propose that the MBTA subway part of the article is merged out to a new article with the name of South Station (MBTA subway station). I have made a draft here. Thoughts? If nobody "weighs in" in a week, I will do the changes myself → ♠ Gƒoley ↔ Four ♣ ← 19:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Support. While I don't see the necessity of making a separate article for the subway station since it is technically part of the train station, I don't think it would be too much of an issue as they cater to different services. Grk1011 (talk) 00:58, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Firsts of all it has not been a week yet, secondly, I see no reason in splitting up the station into two articles. I can not find a single instance of this taking place in any other subway station/ amtrack article. I think it needlessly complicates finding information.--Found5dollar (talk) 19:53, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Union Station (WMATA station) is begging to differ. It hasn't been a week? Fuck!! → ♠ Gƒoley ↔ Four ♣ ← 02:27, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * We also have 34th Street – Penn Station (IRT Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line), 34th Street – Penn Station (IND Eighth Avenue Line), and Grand Central – 42nd Street (New York City Subway) → ♠ Gƒoley ↔ Four ♣ ← 02:31, 16 January 2011 (UTC) Atlantic Avenue – Pacific Street (New York City Subway), also → ♠ Gƒoley ↔ Four  ♣ ← 02:40, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

 * Support, plenty of precedent for splitting subway stations. oknazevad (talk) 17:59, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposed Merge
I proposed that South Station Headhouse be merged into this article as there is no reason why the station's building should have a separate article when it can be covered with more relevance here. Grk1011 (talk) 00:58, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support I stumbled upon that article while searching for "South Station" and there is really no reason for it to exist. → ♠ Gƒoley ↔ Four ♣ ← 01:16, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support There are other stations that have this info included on their station page.--Enfiladekh1 (talk) 00:43, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Vociferous support The only reason to have a separate article is if it's no longer a train station. That's utterly not the case here, South Station has never been inactive. I'm just going to be bold and merge the articles as a WP:SNOW merge. oknazevad (talk) 18:03, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅, but with cleanup needed. The only part of the other article worth saving was the NRHP infobox, which I brought over. I know there's a way to have a combined infobox, but I don't know where it is. Some guidance requested. oknazevad (talk) 18:14, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Is this what you are looking for? Hertz1888 (talk) 18:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe it is. I'll give it a shot and see how it turns out. Thanks. oknazevad (talk) 18:34, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope, not working. At least at my skill level of wikignoming. oknazevad (talk) 18:44, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Original track configuration
Hoi. Is there any information available about the track configuration at the time of the opening of the station? Thus, how many platform tracks were available by then and when was it changed? --Thogo 06:52, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

 * The tracks went all (most of?) the way to Fort Point Channel. They were replaced when the USPS facility was built. If you wish, chase the sources down. Lentower (talk) 08:33, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Terminus Preceding or Following?
It seems very odd to me that in the box on the right side, for all of the Amtrak lines and most of the MBTA lines, South Station is listed as Terminus for the Following Station, but for four lines (the ones which stop at JFK/UMass), South Station is listed as terminus for the Preceding Station. I'm not sure why this is denoted this way, but I think Terminus should either be all under Preceding or all under Following, since the station is the Northern/Eastern terminus for every line listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.205.44 (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

The CapeFLYER is technically not an MBTA service
The CapeFLYER is being run by the Cape Cod Regional Transit Administration using MBTA trains south of Middleboro. The infobox suggests that this is an MBTA Commuter Service. It may be useful to somehow list it differently so that readers understand this.FFM784 (talk) 03:29, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 23:07, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

– Boston is not the only town in the world with a station named South Station. Cecil Huber (talk) 21:55, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * South Station → South Station (Boston)
 * South Station (disambiguation) → South Station
 * Support. PRRfan (talk) 22:01, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose The South Station in Boston is the only one named just "South Station" on the disambiguation page. All others follow the format "[City] South station."  See the difference? Hot Stop talk-contribs 00:30, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Yes, so? All the other ones already have disambiguating parts in their article names, so why shouldn't Boston South Station too? Cecil Huber (talk) 00:38, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Because unless you can prove otherwise their fullnames include the location, whereas this one (and North Station) doesn't. Hot Stop talk-contribs 01:00, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry but have to note this is the oddest oppose reason I have ever seen on an RM, it amounts to "The title is like that" In ictu oculi (talk) 01:29, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you thick? There is one station in the world with the name South Station. Every other station with a so-called similar name is City South station. If you can't see the difference you need to get your head checked.  Hot Stop talk-contribs 21:56, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There's no need for name calling. Even if you would be right and the station in Boston would be the only thing in the world called simply 'South Station' (which I doubt it is), I still can't see the reason for it to have this name without disambiguating part in the article header on Wikipedia, which is a global encyclopedia. Cecil Huber (talk) 22:52, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I, too, wish Hot Stop hadn't resorted to name calling because it distracts from his quite sane rationale. The other stations on the dab page are never referred to in their articles (or in any web results I've managed to find) as "South Station". They're shortened to "Bromley South" or "Dorchester South", even locally. The only station referred to in the broader world simply as "South Station" is in Boston, unless you can provide sources to the contrary. Ibadibam (talk) 17:04, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Their own names have the disambiguation, so that the article names don't need any.  No need to make an exception for South Station in Boston; its name is unique. Hertz1888 (talk) 00:50, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Even if you would be right and the station in Boston would be the only thing in the world called simply 'South Station' (which I doubt it is), I still can't see the reason for it to have this name without disambiguating part in the article header on Wikipedia, which is a global encyclopedia. Cecil Huber (talk) 22:52, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Hot Stop and Hertz1888. Heck, there's no evidence that the other entries on the disambiguation page are even called "south station" othe than an assertion. Plus there's a little thing called WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and no evidence that this isn't just that. oknazevad (talk) 01:14, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you need to show evidence that this is the primary topic for this term, if you want it to stay under this heading. Cecil Huber (talk) 22:52, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - not as clear as Talk:North Station but current title still fails WP:Article titles on WP:CRITERIA, as well as failing WP:PRIMARYTOPIC see here (though less badly than North Station), and WP:DISAMBIGUATION. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Those Google results are meaningless; that's from their French site, and so does nothing to establish primary topic in English. And intentionally removing Boston from the search biases the results against this station. If anything, that one has to remove "Boston" from the search to get such results only reinforces the idea that this station is the primary meaning of "South Station". oknazevad (talk) 13:30, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Support per IIO -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:20, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. In the words of WP:PRECISE, a generic search term like "south station" is not precise enough to identify unambiguously the station in Boston. Thus, the burden of evidence should lie with those who support that there should still be a primary topic. The primary topic should also not be based solely because the one in Boston got the "South Station" ambiguous title first, and the other pages had to follow suit with a disambiguation title. Zzyzx11 (talk) 09:07, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose; it should probably be at Boston South station, but in the absence of an actual naming guideline for US railway stations who the hell even knows? Mackensen (talk) 11:15, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I interprete that as you are in favour of a move, only just not to what I suggested? Cecil Huber (talk) 22:36, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose This solves no real problem. When the article was named, it was the only "South Station" on WP. Concur with other reasons for opposition. Lentower (talk) 12:15, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, it solves a problem. Boston is hardly the primary topic for Wikipedia. Cecil Huber (talk) 22:36, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The current title is the official name of the station in question. No other station with an article has this as its official name. A English language Google search produces mostly this station with other links largely to accidental pairings of the two words, not other railway stations. South Station averages over 120 hits a day, and North Station 80, which are high for relatively minor articles. Over 300 articles link to South Station, over 500 to North Station. These are all the tests WP:PRIMARYTOPIC suggests. There is no justification for disambiguation here.--agr (talk) 14:37, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose, South Station is the only plain South Station on the list, all the others feature their city names in the title. For this reason, I don't see a need to move the page. WikiRedactor (talk) 17:29, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * And if you live in those cities? We don't all live in Boston. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 21:25, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Support, nothing so special about this one location. Are all places having such a name train stations? DeistCosmos (talk) 19:26, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Did you actually read the arguments from the opposers? Hot Stop talk-contribs 21:56, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - Not a unique name. NIMBY seems to be the reason for most opposition - which is the point being made for the change - except the people making the argument don't see it - because it is their " South Station". My hometown had a "South Station", which the railway company prefixed with the name of the town, because they understood that others existed. Secondarywaltz (talk) 23:30, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment When South Station opened it was the largest in the world. Often (until after WWII when railroad use was largely replaced by automobiles), it was the busiest in the world. Both facts argue against the proposed move. Both facts make it unique among the "south stations" of the world. Lentower (talk) 01:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Originally, it was called South Union Station. Amtrak calls it Boston South Station and its station code is BOS. Cecil Huber (talk) 05:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Amtrak always prefaces its name with the city name as a convenience to passengers; this does not reflect actual naming conventions. Amtrak uses "Boston Back Bay" for a station universally known as "Back Bay". Pi.1415926535 (talk) 13:10, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Amtrak doesn't call it "Boston South Station"; it says "Boston, MA - South Station". If you look more carefully at the site, you'll see that the stations are listed as "City, State - StationName (CODE)". The station's name is only the part between the dash and the code. Ibadibam (talk) 17:04, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. One of many major 'south stations' in major cities (Brussels-South railway station, Frankfurt South station, Guangzhou South Railway Station, Beijing South Railway Station, Tianjin South station, Stockholm South Station, Vienna South Station...), and for consistency with North Station (Boston). We are a global encyclopedia, and should strive to reduce WP:BIAS, not increase it. No such user (talk) 11:26, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Those examples don't serve your point - most of them are arbitrary Wikipedia names that don't reflect what the actual local names are. To any Bruxellois, "Brussels South" is always "Midi" or "Zuid" or some combination thereof. The closest thing to a "South Station" as such is Reddish South railway station which happens to be the least-used station in the entirely of England. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 13:10, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * They most certainly do. In English, they are all called South Station. Cecil Huber (talk) 22:32, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Support as inherently ambiguous. Although most of the hits on a google.com.au search for south station were for the Boston station, this was not true of the google.co.uk or google.co.nz searches, showing that this is not the global primary topic for this title. Thryduulf (talk) 13:10, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There is nothing in WP:PRIMARYTOPIC that suggests we need search local editions of Google. And the word "global" does not appear in PRIMARYTOPIC, nor in the entire disambiguation guideline. The goal of disambiguation is to insure articles have unique titles in the en.Wikipedia article name space, not to enable every English-speaking person on the planet to immediately know what the subject of an article is just from the title.--agr (talk) 18:48, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I tried to replicate your experiment and found that the only "South Station" that came up in search was the Boston one. Every other result was a partial match that included the full city name with it, e.g. "Bromley South Station". This indicates that the Boston station is primary. Ibadibam (talk) 17:04, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Oppose – every entry at South Station (disambiguation) may fail WP:PTM, as none of them are apparently ever referred to as "South Station" — they merely have "South" (or "Süd") somewhere in their names. The only station referred to universally as "South Station" is the one in Boston. That makes it a clear primary topic. Ibadibam (talk) 17:04, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Relocate forum to North Station?
Can we centralize this discussion at Talk:North Station? The arguments seem to be repeated in both places. And if we do decide to disambiguate either (which I oppose), I think we should do both for consistency.--agr (talk) 18:48, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Logo
If the logo may not be placed anywhere but the infobox, then I believe it should not be in the article at all. (And that goes for other train stations as well.) This is not a case like Amtrak where the logo represents a well-known public company, nor the Mexico City subway stations where the the icons are used for primary identification of the station. The article is about the history and operations of a train station - not of the business that rents out offices in the building, which is scarcely discussed in the article at all - but the logo represents the latter. It is undue weight to place that logo in the most prominent place in the article, where it displaces the much-more-valuable photograph. I believe this is a similar case to WP:BANDLOGO, where there is not sufficient cause to include the logo unless it is substantially discussed in the article. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:24, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

 * I started placing logos on train stations because many articles on airports and other transit facilities normally have them. I don't think the situation is akin to that of WP:BANDLOGO because stations are physical facilities operated by a company or agency and not groups of individuals. I do think it should be kept for consistency with other kinds of facilities, but whether stations or airports or transit facilities in general should or should not have them is another question. There hasn't been much discussion of this as far as I'm aware. funplussmart (talk) 19:41, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

 * And those airports have logos because they are in common public use, and because the business entity is synonymous with the history and operations. That is not the case here, as I explained above, because the business entity is just a real estate holding company and is largely unrelated to what is discussed in the article. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:00, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Services out of date
Many of the services are no longer in South Station, and a few are new.

Pinkberry has long been closed, as well as Starbucks (although a new one is opening).

Additionally, there is only a convenience store, a LovePop card booth, and the CVS. Note that CVS's first floor is basically a convenience store, and the second floor is mostly a full CVS.

The eateries are Au Bon Pain, Auntie Anne's/Carvel, Dunkin', McDonald's, a Chinese restaurant and Tavern in the Square. The following are under construction: Caffè Nero, a bubble tea shop, and a Starbucks as I mentioned above.

The public art is mostly not in place, with the occasional temporary installation. However, there has been a lot of information boards about South Station Travis H. O. (talk) 17:31, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

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Jason Gould

Jason Emanuel Gould (born December 29, 1966) is an American actor and singer.

Early life
Gould was born on December 29, 1966, in New York City, the only child of singer and actress Barbra Streisand and actor Elliott Gould. His parents separated in 1969 and divorced July 9, 1971. He is Jewish.

Career
Gould appeared as Mike Cameron in the romantic comedy-drama film Say Anything... (1989) and the romantic drama film The Prince of Tides (1991) (which was directed by and starred his mother) but has seldom appeared in front of the camera since then.

In 1997, he made his West End theatre début in the drama play The Twilight of the Golds at the Arts Theatre in London; he played the part of David Gold, a theatre-designer.

Gould wrote, produced, and directed the short comedy film Inside Out (1997), playing Aaron in the story of the child of two celebrities who is outed by the tabloids. His father Elliott Gould played his father in the short film, and his half-brother Sam Gould played his brother. The short was later combined with other features for the compilation film Boys Life 3 (2000).

Gould has since focused on a singing career. He released the 2012 EP Jason Gould, with the single "Morning Prayer/Groove" the following year. Gould performed with his mother during her 2012 North American and 2013 European Barbra Live tour. The two recorded "How Deep Is the Ocean?" for her 2014 album Partners. Gould released the album Dangerous Man in 2017.

Personal life
At the age of 21, Gould came out to his parents as gay. By 1991, he was outed by tabloids. In an interview with The Advocate published on August 17, 1999, Streisand said: "I would never wish for my son to be anything but what he is. He is bright, kind, sensitive, caring, and a very conscientious and good person. He is a very gifted actor and filmmaker. What more could a parent ask for in their child? I have been truly blessed. Most parents feel that their child is particularly special, and I am no different. I have a wonderful son. My only wish for my son, Jason, is that he continues to experience a rich life of love, happiness, joy, and fulfillment, both creatively and personally."

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Kyle Korver

Kyle Elliot Korver (born March 17, 1981) is an American former professional basketball player who currently serves as the assistant general manager for the Atlanta Hawks of the National Basketball Association (NBA). He played college basketball for the Creighton Bluejays.

Korver was drafted in the second round of the 2003 NBA draft by the New Jersey Nets. He was immediately traded to the Philadelphia 76ers. After four and a half seasons in Philadelphia, he was traded to the Utah Jazz. During his first stint with the Jazz in 2009–10, Korver shot 53.6 percent from three-point range, which set an NBA single-season three-point field goal accuracy record. In 2010, he joined the Chicago Bulls. In 2012, he was traded to the Atlanta Hawks, where in 2015 he was named an NBA All-Star. In 2017, he was traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers, where he was a member of back-to-back Finals teams. In 2018, he was traded back to the Jazz. In 2019, he signed with the Milwaukee Bucks.

Korver ranks among the most prolific 3-point shooters in NBA history, ranking seventh all-time in 3-point field goals made and tenth all-time in 3-point field goal percentage. He is the only player to lead the NBA in three-point shooting percentage four times. Korver holds the Hawks and Jazz single-season three-point field goal percentage records and depending on the source/minimum threshold he is the Hawks career three-point percentage record-holder.

Early life
Korver was born in Paramount, California, and is the oldest of four children of Kevin Korver, a pastor for the Third Reformed Church in Pella, Iowa, and Laine Korver. Both of his parents played basketball at Central College in Pella. His grandfather, Harold Korver, is also a pastor at the Emmanuel Reformed Church in Paramount, California. He grew up in the Los Angeles area and was a Los Angeles Lakers fan as a child. Watching Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and the Showtime Lakers instilled a love of basketball in Korver that made him want to pursue it himself. He moved to Iowa in 1993 when his father accepted his current pastoral position and graduated from Pella High School. In 2018, he and his three brothers were still in the top 10 in both career scoring and rebounding at Pella High.

College career
As a freshman at Creighton in 1999–2000, Korver was named to the MVC's All-Bench team, All-Freshman team, and All-Newcomer team while averaging 8.8 points per game. He came off the bench in all but one game, hitting 43.4 percent of his three-pointers and 89.5 percent at the free-throw line.

As a sophomore in 2000–01, Korver earned second-team All-MVC honors while leading the league champion Jays with 14.6 points per game. He made a then-record 100 three-pointers while ranking 12th nationally with 45.2 percent accuracy from downtown. He was also named to the MVC All-Tournament team.

As a junior in 2001–02, Korver led Creighton in scoring (15.1), rebounding (5.5), assists (3.3) and steals (1.6) while earning MVC Player of the Year and honorable-mention All-America honors. He ranked 12th nationally in free throw percentage (89.0) and 41st in three-point percentage (42.9) while leading the Jays to MVC regular-season and Tournament titles.

As a senior in 2002–03, Korver became one of six players to repeat as MVC Player of the Year, joining Larry Bird, Hersey Hawkins, Xavier McDaniel, Lewis Lloyd, and Junior Bridgeman. He was a consensus All-American, including second-team honors from the Associated Press, ESPN.com, and the USBWA. Korver earned MVC tournament MVP honors for the second year in a row. In 34 games as a senior, he averaged 17.8 points, 6.4 rebounds, 3.1 assists and 1.5 steals in 31.8 minutes per game.

Korver finished his career at Creighton fourth all-time in scoring (1,801), first in three-pointers made (371), first in three-point attempts (819), first in three-point accuracy (45.3), first in free throw accuracy (89.1), eighth in assists (294), ninth in blocked shots (58) and fourth in steals (172). His 371 career made three-pointers is an MVC record and tied for sixth most in NCAA history. Korver also holds Creighton single-season records for three-pointers made (129), three-point percentage (.480), and free-throw percentage (.908).

Korver graduated with a bachelor's degree in visual communications. He returned to Creighton in May 2019 to deliver the keynote at the university's graduation ceremony.

Philadelphia 76ers (2003–2007)
On June 26, 2003, Korver was selected by the New Jersey Nets with the 51st overall pick in the 2003 NBA draft. The Nets, fresh off an Atlantic Division win and an appearance in the NBA Finals, were low on cash and had none of their preferred draft choices remaining on the board. The organization selected Korver and immediately sold his draft rights to the 76ers for $125,000. The $125,000 reportedly covered the Nets' summer league costs and a new copy machine, with the "traded for a copy machine" incident becoming a rallying cry for Korver for the rest of his career. In 2019, Korver used the experience to help motivate that year's graduating class at his alma mater, Creighton University, explaining, "a few years ago, the copy machine broke...and I'm still playing."

As a rookie in 2003–04, he averaged 4.5 points and 1.5 rebounds in 74 games. On December 21, 2003, he scored a season-high 18 points against the Boston Celtics.

In 2004–05, Korver appeared in 82 games (57 starts), and averaged 11.5 points, 4.6 rebounds, and 2.2 assists. He set the Sixers record for three-pointers made (226) and attempted (558). He led the league in three-pointers made, and ranked among NBA leaders in attempts (third) and percentage (18th, .405). On November 26, 2004, he scored a season-high 26 points against the Washington Wizards.

On August 2, 2005, Korver re-signed with the 76ers to a six-year, $25 million contract. On February 24, 2006, he scored a career-high 31 points in a 116–111 win over the Milwaukee Bucks. In 82 games (43 starts) in 2005–06, he averaged 11.5 points, 3.3 rebounds, and 2.0 assists in 31.3 minutes. He shot .430 from the field and .849 from the free-throw line and ranked fifth in the league in three-pointers made and 11th in three-point percentage.

In his last full year in Philadelphia in 2006–07, Korver appeared in 74 games (one start) and averaged a career-high 14.4 points. He led the NBA in free throw percentage and ranked ninth in three-point shooting. On February 21, 2007, he made six 3-pointers and matched a career high with 31 points to lead the 76ers to a 104–84 victory over the New York Knicks.

Utah Jazz (2007–2010)
On December 29, 2007, Korver was traded to the Utah Jazz in exchange for Gordan Giriček and a future first-round draft pick. On February 6, 2008, he scored a season-high 27 points against the Denver Nuggets.

In 2008–09, Korver appeared in 78 games (two starts) and averaged 9.0 points, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.8 assists. On March 14, 2009, he scored a season-high 25 points against the Miami Heat.

On October 28, 2009, Korver underwent surgery to remove a bone spur in his left knee. He subsequently missed the first 23 games of the 2009–10 season. On March 31, 2010, he scored a season-high 21 points against the Golden State Warriors. In 52 games, he averaged 7.2 points and 2.1 rebounds. He led the NBA in three-point shooting at .536 (59–110 3FGM), setting the NBA single season three-point shooting record, edging the record percentage of .524 that Steve Kerr set in 1994–95. His spot-on shooting surged after he finally returned fully healthy after the All-Star break, having struggled with wrist and knee issues following surgeries to both over the previous year.

Chicago Bulls (2010–2012)
On July 13, 2010, Korver signed with the Chicago Bulls. On November 24, 2010, he scored a season-high 24 points against the Phoenix Suns. In 2010–11, Korver, for the third time in his career, appeared in all 82 regular-season games (all coming off the bench), and averaged 8.3 points, 1.8 rebounds, and 1.5 assists in 20.1 minutes. After finishing as the first seed in the East with a 62–20 record, the Bulls advanced through to the Eastern Conference finals, where they were defeated in five games by the Miami Heat. Korver appeared in 65 games (seven starts) with the Bulls in 2011–12, averaging 8.1 points, 2.4 rebounds, and 1.7 assists in 22.6 minutes. On March 10, 2012, he scored a season-high 26 points in a 111–97 win over the Utah Jazz. He hit 6 of 11 3-pointers and had seven rebounds and six assists.

2012–13 season
On July 16, 2012, Korver was traded to the Atlanta Hawks in exchange for cash considerations. In 2012–13, he averaged 10.9 points in 30.5 minutes per game, while recording percentages of .461 FG%, .457 3FG%, and .859 FT%. He finished second in the NBA in three-point percentage and fourth in three-point field goals made with 189. He made at least one three-pointer in his final 73 games of the season, the longest active streak in the NBA at the time, a career-best and the fourth longest streak in league history (Dana Barros 89, Michael Adams 79, Dennis Scott 78). In addition, his 189 made threes was the fourth-best single season total in franchise history.

2013–14 season
On July 12, 2013, Korver re-signed with the Hawks to a four-year, $24 million contract. On December 6, 2013, Korver passed the NBA record for most consecutive games with a made three-pointer (90) originally set by Dana Barros (89). The streak eventually ended at 127 games on March 5, 2014. Korver finished the 2013–14 season with a 47.2 percent three-point shooting percentage which led the NBA. It broke Tyronn Lue's (45.7%) franchise single-season three-point percentage (47.2%) record.

2014–15 season: All-Star selection
On December 15, 2014, Korver passed Jason Richardson for 15th all-time in three-pointers made. Five days later, in the Hawks' 104–97 win over the Houston Rockets, Korver scored a game-high 22 points and made all four of his free-throw attempts. This gave him 49 consecutive made free-throws on the season to set a new Hawks franchise record. The streak ended at 50 in the Hawks' next game against the Dallas Mavericks. On February 10, 2015, Korver received his first NBA All-Star selection as a reserve for the Eastern Conference in the 2015 NBA All-Star Game, replacing the injured Dwyane Wade. At 33 years and 11 months old, he became the fourth-oldest first-time All-Star. On March 11, in a loss to the Denver Nuggets, Korver passed Kobe Bryant for 12th on the all-time three-pointers made list. Four days later in a win over the Los Angeles Lakers, Korver left the game with a broken nose after taking an offensive foul from Ed Davis with 8:59 left in the first half. The injury ended a streak of 51 consecutive games with a three-pointer by Korver, who missed both of his shots from behind the arc. After missing three games with the injury, he returned to action on March 22 against the San Antonio Spurs with protective gear on his face to cover the nose. Despite having the mask on March 31, 2015, Korver made four straight long-range shots, including three 3-pointers, in a 65-second span against the Milwaukee Bucks. Korver led the league in three-point shooting percentage for a third time (the second year in a row) with a 49.2%, which still stands as an Atlanta Hawks single-season franchise record.

On April 29, 2015, Korver was named the recipient of the Joe Dumars Trophy for winning the 2014–15 NBA Sportsmanship Award. During the 2015 playoffs, Korver suffered a right ankle sprain playing against the Cleveland Cavaliers on May 22 in the Eastern Conference Finals. The following day, he was ruled out for the rest of the playoffs.

2015–16 season
On November 6, 2015, Korver scored 22 points, hitting all eight of his shots, including four from three-point range, as the Hawks won their sixth straight with a 121–115 victory over the New Orleans Pelicans. On December 26, in a win over the New York Knicks, Korver hit one three-pointer and passed Rashard Lewis for ninth place on the all-time list for three-pointers made. However, his late December shooting slump marked one of the worst shooting stretches of his career. In four games between December 23–29, Korver shot 5-of-33 from the field and a woeful 2-of-27 from three-point range. Korver continued to struggle with his shot in January, missing all six of his shots on January 31 against the Miami Heat, marking just the third time in his career that he went 0-of-6 or worse as a starter. Over 47 games to begin the season, his 42% field goal shooting was the worst it had been since the 2004–05 season, and his 37% three-point shooting was a career-low success rate.

2016–17 season
On December 16, 2016, Korver scored a season-high 19 points and hit a season-high six three-pointers in a 125–121 win over the Toronto Raptors. The win gave the Hawks a 13–13 record after 26 games; they began the season 9–2. He set a season high on December 30, scoring 22 points in 29 minutes off the bench in a 105–98 win over the Detroit Pistons. Depending on the source/minimum threshold, Korver left the Hawks as the franchise career three-point percentage all-time leader (.452). NBA.com shows him as the leader, but Sports Reference does not (Tony Snell, 62–109 56.9%).

2016–17 season: First Finals appearance
On January 7, 2017, Korver was traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers in exchange for Mike Dunleavy, Mo Williams, cash considerations and a protected future first round draft pick. The trade would pair Korver with fellow 2003 draftee LeBron James. He made his debut for the Cavaliers three days later, recording two points and three rebounds in 17 minutes off the bench in a 100–92 loss to the Utah Jazz. Korver went 2-of-10 over his first two games for the Cavaliers, with both games resulting in losses. On January 13, he scored 18 points off the bench to help the Cavaliers defeat the Sacramento Kings 120–108. On February 1, he had his best game yet as a Cavalier, scoring 20 points off the bench on 8-of-11 from the field with four three-pointers in a 125–97 win over the Minnesota Timberwolves. However, on February 8, Korver scored a season-high 29 points on 10-of-12 from the field and 8-of-9 from the three-point line in a 132–117 win over the Indiana Pacers. He subsequently passed Jason Kidd (1,988) for seventh on the all-time three-pointers made list. A week later, on February 15, also against the Pacers, Korver became the seventh player in NBA history to make 2,000 career three-pointers, joining Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Jason Terry, Paul Pierce, Vince Carter, and Jamal Crawford. On April 4, 2017, he returned after missing 11 games with a sore left foot and scored 11 points in 12 minutes in a 122–102 win over the Orlando Magic. Korver helped the Cavaliers go 12–1 over the first three rounds of the playoffs to reach the 2017 NBA Finals. There they faced the Golden State Warriors and were defeated in five games.

2017–18 season
On July 12, 2017, Korver re-signed with the Cavaliers. On November 13, 2017, he scored 19 of his 21 points in the fourth quarter to spark a huge comeback for the Cavaliers, lifting them to a 104–101 win over the New York Knicks after they outscored New York 43–25 in the fourth. On January 6, 2018, in a 131–127 win over the Orlando Magic, Korver tied Paul Pierce for fourth place on the career 3-pointers list with 2,143. Two days later, he hit four 3-pointers and had 19 points off the bench in a 127–99 loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves, passing Pierce for fourth place on the NBA's all-time list in 3-pointers made with 2,147. On February 9, 2018, he scored a season-high 30 points in a 123–107 win over the Atlanta Hawks. He made 7 of 13 from 3-point range and finished two points from matching his career high of 32. It was his first 30-point game since February 21, 2007. Korver went 794 games between 30-point games, marking the longest stretch between 30-point games in NBA history. The Cavaliers returned to the NBA Finals in 2018, where they lost 4–0 to the Warriors.

2018–19 season
On October 30, 2018, in a 136–114 win over the Atlanta Hawks, Korver reached 11,000 career points.

Return to Utah (2018–2019)
On November 29, 2018, Korver was traded to the Utah Jazz in exchange for Alec Burks and two future second-round draft picks. On January 12, 2019, against the Chicago Bulls, Korver passed Jason Terry (2,282) to move into fourth place on the NBA's all-time 3-pointers list.

On July 6, 2019, the Memphis Grizzlies acquired Korver from the Jazz as part of a package for Mike Conley Jr. The following day Korver was traded to the Phoenix Suns along with Jevon Carter in exchange for Josh Jackson, De'Anthony Melton, and a 2020 second-round pick. He was subsequently waived by the Suns.

Milwaukee Bucks (2019–2020)
On July 25, 2019, Korver signed a one-year deal with the Milwaukee Bucks.

On March 8, 2020, in a game where Korver saw increased minutes due to injuries, he scored a season-high 23 points, and tied a season-high five three-pointers made, in a 109–95 loss to the Denver Nuggets. On August 10, 2020, Korver scored 19 points and grabbed 4 rebounds in only 22 minutes of playing time in a 114–108 loss to the Toronto Raptors.

Korver's final NBA game was played in Game 5 of the 2020 Eastern Conference Semifinals on September 8, 2020, in a 94–103 loss to the Miami Heat. In his final game, Korver played for 6 minutes and recorded 3 points. He did not sign with any team for 2020–21 season to spend more time with his family, despite not announcing his retirement.

Coaching career
In August 2021, Korver was hired by the Brooklyn Nets as a player development coach.

Executive career
On July 20, 2022, Korver joined the Atlanta Hawks as the team's director of player affairs and development. On January 16, 2023, the Atlanta Hawks named Korver their assistant general manager.

NBA

 * All-Star (2015)
 * NBA Sportsmanship Award (2015)
 * 4× NBA three-point field goal percentage leader (2010, 2014, 2015, 2017)
 * NBA free throw percentage leader (2007)
 * NBA three-point field goals made leader (2005)
 * NBA record for highest three-point shooting percentage in a regular season (53.6%): 2010
 * NBA record for most seasons leading league in three-point percentage (4)

Atlanta Hawks

 * Single-season 3-point field goal percentage (.492, 2014–15)
 * Career 3-point field goal percentage (.452)

Utah Jazz

 * Single-season 3-point field goal percentage (.536, 2009–10)

NCAA

 * Missouri Valley Conference career made three-pointers record (371)
 * Missouri Valley Conference single season made three-pointers record (123): 2003
 * Consensus Second Team All-American: 2003
 * Honorable Mention All-American by Associated Press: 2002
 * Missouri Valley Conference Player of the Year: 2002, 2003
 * First Team All-Missouri Valley Conference: 2002, 2003
 * Second Team All-Missouri Valley Conference: 2001
 * Missouri Valley Conference tournament MVP: 2002, 2003
 * Missouri Valley Conference All-Tournament Team: 2001, 2002, 2003
 * Missouri Valley Conference All-Freshman Team: 2000
 * Missouri Valley Conference All-Bench Team: 2000
 * Guardians Classic Omaha Regional MVP: 2003
 * Guardians Classic Tournament MVP: 2003
 * Guardians Classic All-Tournament Team: 2003
 * CollegeInsider.com Mid-Major Player of the Year: 2003
 * CollegeInsider.com Mid-Major All-America Team: 2002, 2003

Personal life
Korver has three brothers, Klayton, Kaleb and Kirk (1990–2018), all of whom played Division I basketball. Klayton was a guard/forward for the Drake Bulldogs; Kaleb a guard for the Creighton Bluejays; and Kirk a forward for the UMKC Kangaroos. His mother Laine played high school basketball and once scored 74 points in a game. Korver's father Kevin is a pastor in Pella, Iowa, and his uncle Kris is the head basketball coach at Northwestern College in Orange City, Iowa. His cousin Kari Korver is a former UCLA women's basketball player.

Korver married Juliet Richardson on August 10, 2011. Their daughter Kyra Elyse was born on December 5, 2012. His wife delivered their first boy, Knox Elliot, on May 28, 2010. Knox plays AAU basketball for the Iowa Breakers in Mason City, Iowa. Their second son, Koen, was born on November 7, 2016.

Korver founded the Kyle Korver Foundation, which contributes to many philanthropic causes. He held a coat drive while with the 76ers, where he collected and donated coats to children in need. Korver added a new line of clothing called Seer Outfitters connected to his foundation to help underprivileged children. In 2013, he started in October the "Socktober Drive" in which he collects socks to donate to homeless people in Atlanta. Korver has also participated in the NBA's Basketball Without Borders outreach program in Africa, China, Brazil and India. Korver is a Christian.

In March 2018, Korver took a leave of absence from the Cavaliers following the death of his brother Kirk, who died just before he was about to receive a liver transplant after suffering an unknown illness that caused multiple organ failure.

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Hi, I assume you are Canadian from your topics; it's nice to have a North American writing some bird articles, so far they have been biased to Europe or Oz (the latter courtesy of Tannin). There are some public domain images on the USFWS website http://images.fws.gov/default.cfm?CFID=1813329&CFTOKEN=63774106, but nothing suitable for Ring-necked or Redhead.

I've been to Canada a couple of times, Southern Ontario (esp Pelee) in 1999, and Nova Scotia last Oct, jimfbleak 19:21 21 Jun 2003 (UTC)

One thing I forgot to mention is that there is a policy that fauna names, if more than one word, have a lower case redirect to them. Thus Ring-necked Duck has a redirect from ring-necked duck. I've fixed that one and the two teals. jimfbleak 05:49 23 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Sorry, I jumped the gun a bit with the Wood Duck image. If you want to change them around or dump mine, that's fine with me.

On the general image point, an uploaded image replaces another with the same name without giving a warning, so I tend to put a number on the end of the name to make it less likely that this will happen by mistake. Probably a bit over the top, since people are unlikely to be queueing to upload duck pics. jimfbleak 05:46 25 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Hi Big Iron. Nice work on the ducks. You seem to have taken to this Wikipedia thing like .. er ... a duck to water. :) Tannin

It's just Goldeneye on this side of the pond, and Common Goldeneye in North Am. Wildfowl by Madge and Burn, which I take as my bible on swans geese and ducks lists it as Common Goldeneye, with Goldeneye as the only listed alternative. European isn't even accurate, so I wouldn't bother including that (I hope it wasn't me put it on the disamb page). jimfbleak 12:24 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Excuse me butting in here, Big iron, I saw your note on Jimfbleak's talk page. The classification of the egrets is all over the place like a dog's breakfast. So far as I can tell, the number of different "official" ways to assign the various egrets to particular genera is equal to the number of authorities consulted plus one! Jim and I discussed this briefly somewhere a while back (probably on our talk pages, or maybe the egret talk page), but I don't know that we got any further than scratching out heads. From the point of view of search-engine friendliness, we should try, somewhere in the text of each species account, to mention all the names - so that if you hit Google looking for a Great Egret (Great White, American, whatever) under Ardea alba or Egretta alba or Casmerodius albus, you still find it. Which doen't help with your question about rationalising them, of course .... Tannin

 * In Europe, it's Egretta, in N.Am, except Peterson (ie National Geographic and Sibley), it's Ardea, in Oz and New Zealand it's Ardea. Since it breeds in all three areas, there needs to be a rational main name. I can live with Ardea, so I suggest we go with that. I should say however that the similarly widespread Cattle Egret is Bubulcus everywhere except Oz, so I'd prefer that as the main version for that species.   Jim
 * BTW, Your Night Heron made Main Page today.

On the taxonomy issue, I don't know how closely you have been following the various discussions on this. At the order/family level, our effective working scheme, unless you strongly disagree, is that at List of birds, although the passerines are not fully sorted yet. There is another scheme at Sibley-Ahlquist taxonomy.

Species list come from various sources, and don't always agree on scientific names at the genus/species level, although Great White Egret, with three to chose from, is a particularly bad case. I would say that if a decision is purely North American, eg whether to have Yellow-rumped Warbler as one species or two, just decide yourself.

For the species which have a wider range, I imagine that we will have to discuss them as they arise to ensure a consistent approach. A similar problem could theoretically arise with a species pair; for example European Little Egret and Snowy Egret must be in the same genus, whatever it is.

Jim

Hi, I've added an image to Least Sandpiper, but it's so poor almost anything else would be an improvement. Jim

I'm sorry you are having to create so many links for you new articles. When I started, I put in links for common European and NAm birds (didn't know enough about S hemisphere to do Australian/NZ birds), but by the time I got to the waders, I'd given up hope on anyone doing any NAm, so I mainly linked European species. jimfbleak 08:53, 9 Sep 2003 (EDT)

Just a query about the diet of Black Guillemot. Are you sure about the insect and plant bits? I've never seen them do anything but dive for food, and there are few insects in the sea. Liked Caspian Tern, Jim

 * That's fine - I should have known, you are more careful than me - i'm the one who put a whale as a marsupial! Jim

An anon user has added a bit to Grouse about ants. It's clearly intended to be a link to his specialist topic, since most of his/her contributions are in that field. I think this is pure speculation, because grouse don't occur in southern England where this Donisthorpe guy researched.

My inclination is to remove this bit, but I thought I'd check with you, since for all I know NAm grouse might munch ants like sweets (sorry, candy). I only got involved with NAm grouse, none of which I've ever seen, because I stumbled across a stub for Heath Hen, which then required Greater Prairie-Chicken to make sense.

BTW, I might do Glaucous Gull and Iceland Gull next, which overlap our continents. Jim

Only just saw your last message. I actually went out birding yesterday - saw the fourth Pectoral Sandpiper this month - it's been a bumper tear for this species in the UK. BCCorr seems to have systematically removed all the spurious references to Donisthorpe from other articles too, so it's up to you whether the ants go back in. As far as the UK grouse are concerned, I know they eat insects, which presumably include ants, but I've not checked in BWP yet. Jim

I put a public domain picture on Dark-eyed Junco, but if you have a decent photo, please dump it. One of my favourite NAm birds - I've even seen one in the UK. Jim

I've added some species to List of North American birds. They are basically edited copies from British birds, so I'd be grateful if you could check and delete anything I've incorrectly listed. This page is a bit of a mess at the moment, part listed by bird type, and part by scientific family. I don't have any preference, but it should be one or the other. I don't mind sorting it, but as the resident NAm birdperson, it's your decision which system you would prefer. Jim

First off, thanks for the Dark-eyed Junco article! I like that little bird.

Re: edits to Yosemite Valley and Sierra Nevada (US). There is a general question : should Wikipedia articles about animals be specific down to the species, or just cover genus? Either way, edited links should point to likely articles.. Your edits imply that, for birds, the specific species deserves an article (i.e., dark-eyed juncos versus other kind of juncos). How about trees & mammals? Does a white pine deserve its own article? I don´t think so (at least perhaps not yet). So, we might have an inconsistency between specificity of links to articles between birds and other living things.

I´m not a birder, so I really don´t know what the right thing for birds is... I just wanted to point out a possible inconsistency. What do you think? -- hike395 11:32, 19 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Re Burrowing Owl, that's fine by me. I like owls, and that one in particular is something of a favourite, being both diurnal and approachable. I've been doing mainly Old World species recently, but I'm planning to do a few more terns soon. Since many of these occur on both sides of the pond, let me know if I'm treading on your toes. Jim

just for info, I've done five more terns, but I've had enough for now, so I'm going to do some Old World passerines that shouldn't impinge on Canadian species. Jim

Hi. I'm working on the remainin non-passerine British birds. Most of the outstanding species are either seabirds or have a primary or significant North American population. Let me know if there are any that you would rather I left, otherwise I'll crack on with them as the opportunity arises. Jim.

 * following on from the above, I wrote Mourning Dove today, and in the process realised that I don't have much info available on this familiar bird. Would you be kind enough to take a look and check if there are serious erros or omissions? Thanks, Jim.

 * Many thanks for the help with Mourning Dove. I've finished rampaging through NAm species for the time being, and I'm now doing some passerines. I'm going to start with some Old World warblers, larks and the like, so we shouldn't be treading on each others toes, Jim

re Gray-crowned Rosy-Finch. Interestingly, I wrote Rufous-tailed Rock-Thrush this am, which is obviously a similar case. In terms of redirects, it doesn't really matter what we put (I used Rufous-tailed rock-thrush and Rock Thrush for that one, but Rufous-tailed Rock-thrush could also be a possibility), so the the question is really what style is used for article names.

 * The names used are, by default, those from HBW, from where I got the species list. However, I've changed some of the names where it suits me, especially if it seems likely that someone would search for a more familiar name.
 * I'm not very keen on HBW hypenated styles like American Golden-Plover, and I would personally prefer American Golden Plover, which is what people would look for. However, since species names are capitalised in Wikipedia, the normal convention for the hyphenated group bit would be to capitalise both words, if the hyphen is in.
 * My preference would be to dump the hyphen and have Gray-crowned Rosy Finch rather than Gray-crowned Rosy-finch as the article title, and then the redirect is obvious.
 * What ever you decide, I'm sure it will be appropriate, I've read enough of your articles to know that

Sorry about the list, it's to help me clarify my own thoughts. Jim

All the remaining passerine British birds are primarily North American vagrants, so I've wandered back to your side of the pond. I'll steer clear of vireos and for now, and I'll keep you informed so we aren't chasing the same hare. Let me know if there is any other relevant species you want me to avoid (preferably not Cliff Swallow)! Jim
 * all that's left to do in passerine British birds are the New World warblers, so I'll do the species that have occurred in the UK next. Merry Christmas Jim

Would you mind having a look at Myrtle Warbler. I've written this and Audubon's Warbler as separate articles, with a redirect from Yellow-rumped Warbler. If you're not happy with that treatment, please do whatever you think is appropriate. Jim

Belated New Year greetings. I've finished British birds now, so I'm unlikely to be treading on your toes for a while. I'm going to have another look at some old bird articles to see if they need tweaking, and write up some favourite species, like Mosque Swallow, but I'll steer clear of NAm passerines for the time being. Jim

Hi - do you think the pic below is a first or second winter Glaucous Gull? It looks to be a bulky pale gull with a thick dark-tipped pink bill and pink legs. I can't see any black in the wings or tail, and the bill is wrong for Iceland Gull, but looks perfect for an immature Glaucous. I've seen definite Glaucous Gulls looking just like this in the UK in winter, but I just wanted to chack that I,ve not overlooked a NAm gull before I put it in the article. Jim

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Good, thanks, I'll put it in. Now what about the next one, photographed on Laysan Island? It looks like Franklin's Gull to me, but I'm way out of my range with this, only ever seen two Franklin's. Jim

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I'm sure you're right, it is a Laughing Gull. Its wings are much longer than the tail, the hind neck is dusky, not clean white, the bill looks heavy, and the white patch in front of the wings seems to be a feature too. Thanks for the help, Jim

Big iron, you and Jim amaze me with your productivity. Pretty soon there won't be any American or European birds left to do! But the reason I dropped by is to say that I just saw your Rock Wren illustration and ... damnit! ... I'm jealous. That is as beautiful a little bird as one could hope to see. Tannin

Hi there. I uploaded this image of an Orange-crowned Warbler from the USFWS, but then noticed you had a placeholder filename in the table already. Do you plan to upload your own image, or is the one I uploaded fine to add? Hadal 17:51, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Oh, it's the least I could do. Keep up the great work! :) Hadal 18:07, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

There are a few bird images at this site. I'll add an image to Scrub Jay next, and then leave NAm alone again. Jim

I just nominated Image:PaintedBunting23.jpg for Featured_pictures. I love that bird, and your photo! Bevo 01:55, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hi, could you take a look at the flight picture I have added to Red-tailed Hawk, please? I am 99% sure of my identification but I never saw the bird's upper parts to confirm the red rump, so I am seeking a second opinion on principle. Thanks very much. seglea 09:00, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Big Iron, Adrian and I are unhappy with the changes User:UtherSRG is making to taxobox images, and I wanted to consult more widely before taking any action. If you read the bit on his talk page first, and then mine, it will give you the idea, thanks Jim

 * ( Stupid seagull. :) I'll remove it. My bad. I figured it was gubmint, so it was PD. Thanks. jengod 21:36, Jun 22, 2004 (UTC)

BigIron: I notice that you've been putting a number of pages associated with the Canadian Action Party on the vfd site. While I won't make any claims as to the literary merit of most of these articles, my feeling is that this might be the wrong answer to the problem.

I would argue that the act of running for federal office in Canada is sufficient enough to make someone eligible for inclusion on Wikipedia. Most of the CAP articles are in need of a cleanup, but not (I think) deletion.

(Incidentally, I edited the Magnus Thompson page a while ago, though I apparently forgot to take down the cleanup notice. Thompson ran in both 2000 and 2004; as such, his page is useful as a link between the two separate results [albeit that the riding results for 2000 haven't been added yet].)  CJCurrie 00:05, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

VFD
B.I.: I suppose there are bound to be differences of opinion on borderline cases like these. I'd still argue that having pages on individual minor-party candidates is useful, if not always necessary.

I don't suppose there's any way I could convince you to withdraw your request for the deletion of the Thompson article? (Or, since that's probably impossible, to withdraw your support for its deletion?) CJCurrie 01:47, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Big Iron: I've been involved in a lengthy discussion with Jon Garrett on a possible compromise on the "fringe party bios" issue. You can check out our discussion pages if you want the full details. Here's one salient excerpt from one of my letters, forwarded for discussion:

Responses:

The general convention on the vfd page is that two-thirds support is required for a page to be deleted. I suspect that most people who've wanted to vote on the current round of fringe-candidate articles have already done so, and there isn't really a clear consensus on any of them (let alone a 67% consensus one way or the other). The closest to a consensus, at present, are the Dancey and Fernandez pages -- and the support for deletion here is only 58% (discounting The Recycling Troll) or 54% (including The Recylcing Troll). (I'm not completely certain that The Recycling Troll is a real troll, and every other contributor seems genuine enough).

I believe, for this reason, that the articles will probably survive the vfd page on at least technical grounds.

My concern, at the moment, is not so much with the technical deletion requests as with the broader principle. I think we can agree that there *is* a place on Wikipedia for some information on fringe candidates -- it's such a matter of determining the parameters and form that such information should take. I recognize that there are some advantages and disadvantages to *both* the "bio pages" and the "short bios on a central page" approaches (although I'm not sure if we should be determining Wikipedia policy based on the number of people likely to read any particular page ...), and I could very easily reconcile myself to the latter if it's the popular will. I'm just not certain that the latter course is necessary.

CJCurrie 20:21, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

consolidated pages
Big Iron: The idea of consolidating "fringe-candidate" information on a single page has its advantages, but it also creates some problems when the candidate has run in more than one election (although I suppose redirects could take care of this). I could live with either outcome, though I still don't think that the change is absolutely necessary. CJCurrie 17:53, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Canadian wikipedians
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Hi, have you ever been in Vrbica near Livno? My mother is from there. You can see a link to Vrbica on Serbian Wikipedia. . Contact me if you have any questions. pokrajac_marko@yahoo.com

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
 * Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
 * Multi-Licensing Guide
 * Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the " " template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace " " with "  ". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk) 19:10, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

Collaboration of the week
Congratulations, the candidate you voted for, Underground Railroad, is this week's Collaboration of the Week. Please help edit the article to bring it up to feature standard.

Image tag
Hi! Thanks for uploading the following image:

 * Image:EasternWhitePine23.jpg

I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status?

You can use   if you wish to release your own work under the GNU Free Documentation License,    if you wish to release your own work to the public domain,    if you claim fair use of someone else's work, and so on. Click here for a list of the various tags.

If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know at my talk page where you got the image from, and I'll tag it for you. (And if you know exactly what this means and are really tired of the constant reminders, please excuse me. They will stop once the tagging project is complete.) Thanks so much. Denni ☯ 23:10, 2004 Dec 18 (UTC)

P.S. You can help tag other images at Untagged_Images. Thanks again.

Did You Know
 Did you know has been updated and a fact from the article Meadow Vole, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page. Nice job, it's good to see interest in muroid rodents. Now just 999 species to go. --Aranae 17:44, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

Ottawa Wikipedia Meetup
Hey, just a quick note to let you know there is an Ottawa Wikipedia Meetup coming up this Saturday @ 2pm. If you can make it, please drop by the Meetup website and RSVP. If you can't, join up anyway, so you can find out about future Ottawa Wikipedia Meetups! --Spinboy 20:54, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Geo-stubs
Hi Big iron - good to see you adding a few new Canadian geography stubs... for future reference, there's a separate stub template for canadian geography: - if you use that instead of just geo-stub it'll make the articles easier for editors working on Canadian items to find. Cheers! Grutness|hello? 01:17, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

New Wikiproject
Hi there, just a quick note to let you know that we've started a new wikiproject! WikiProject Ottawa aims to expand the amount of articles in Ottawa, and of the articles that are there, take them from stubs to something worthy of being a feature article. We hope you'll stop by and sign up! --Spinboy 03:48, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"The Vole" Nickname Discussion
Appreciated your comments on Talk:Vole and the updating of the page ( I can't seem to edit that page without it being reverted by Nathan J. Yoder )). It seems crazy that I'm having to expend this much energy on a simple link to an existing article which already refers to the term. Winston Smith 21:46, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Richardson's Ground Squirrel
Hi Big Iron - question for you on Talk:Richardson's Ground Squirrel (or there will be in 5 minutes!) seglea 20:07, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

lots of edits, not an admin
Hi - I made a list of users who've been around long enough to have made lots of edits but aren't admins. If you're at all interested in becoming an admin, can you please add an '*' immediately before your name in this list? I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 23:11, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

Wiki cookie
Some good work on classic Canadian songs, and on some Ottawa stuff earns you this wiki cookie. Enjoy :) -- Earl Andrew - talk 07:19, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Greeting from Alaska
Hi Big Iron, I put the article on Ibram Lassaw on his page-, I also wrote it. Denise Lassaw
 * Thank you for dropping by. I was concerned that the material on Ibram Lassaw might have been used without permission. --Big_Iron 21:59, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Image deletion announcement
I listed Image:BonaparteGull23.jpg in Images and media for deletion. It was replaced by several better quality images, I think no-one is going to miss it. -Hapsiainen 19:58, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

I saved the new image as a png, because I had cropped it. If I had again saved it as jpeg, its quality would have decreased further. UFWS had saved the original image in jpeg format, I didn't want to compress it twice. This is a known problem. -Hapsiainen 10:50, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

 * The question isn't about whether to have a PNG image or a baad JPEG image in the article. There is another JPEG image of an adult gull. You can put it to the article if you wish so. Your vote on Images for deletion is incomprehensible to me. -Hapsiainen

Sarfaraz Nawaz
FYI because you have put a copyvio tag there. The title is incorrect. I am moving it (with tag and all) to Sarfraz Nawaz. Tintin 21:56, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I saw your name in the talk page and thought it was you. Tintin 22:06, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

WP:CP
Hi, you've reported copyright infringements to WP:CP in the last week, a new measure was recently passed to allow the speedy deltion of new pages that are cut and paste copyvios. Please follow these instructions if you come across this type of copyvio. Thanks. --nixie 00:09, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

User Categorisation
You were listed on the Wikipedians/Ontario page as living in or being associated with Ontario. As part of the User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians in Ontario for instructions.--Rmky87 02:56, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for spotting the Naturalselection copyvio. I have deleted it. — J I P | Talk 13:08, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Charles H. Mackintosh
Please note that we don't file individuals directly in Category:Members of the Canadian House of Commons; individual MPs are sorted into subcategories by province and political party. The master category should only contain the list articles. Bearcat 19:08, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

 * No, actually, I'm in the process of emptying the historical category out as well. It was originally instituted to clean up the main Members category, but it's now become as big and unmanageable and poorly organized as that category was when it originally needed the cleanup. The province and party categories are intended to replace filing people in either Historical Members or the parent. Bearcat 21:37, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

OMYA link
Hi, I noticed you added a link to the local OMYA plant in the Rutland City, Vermont article, but the page you linked to says Florence Vermont on it and doesn't seem to be in Rutland (north of Proctor is definitely not Rutland). I was wondering why you added it to that page as opposed to, say, the Proctor article? Thanks. Jessamyn 14:43, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

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George Monro Grant

George Monro Grant (December 22, 1835 – May 10, 1902) was a Canadian church minister, writer, and political activist. He served as principal of Queen's College, Kingston, Ontario, for 25 years, from 1877 until 1902.

Early life, education
Grant was born in Stellarton, Pictou County, Nova Scotia. He was educated at the Pictou Academy and the anti-burgher seminary in West River in Nova Scotia, and, from 1853 to 1860, in Scotland at the University of Glasgow, where he had a brilliant academic career. Having entered the ministry of the Church of Scotland in 1861, he returned to serve in Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island, before being called to the St Matthew's congregation in Halifax, Nova Scotia, where he was minister from 1863 to 1877.

Support of Confederation, railway development
He quickly gained a high reputation as a preacher and as an eloquent speaker on political subjects. In 1867, Nova Scotia was the province most strongly opposed to federal union. Grant threw the whole weight of his great influence in favour of Canadian confederation, and his oratory played an important part in securing the success of the movement. When the consolidation of the Dominion by means of railway construction was under discussion in 1872, Grant traveled across Canada, from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific Ocean, with the engineers, including lifelong friend, Sir Sandford Fleming, who surveyed the route of the Canadian Pacific Railway. Grant's book Ocean to Ocean (1873) was one of the first things that opened the eyes of Canadians to the value of the immense heritage they enjoyed. He never lost an opportunity, whether in the pulpit or on the platform, of pressing on his listeners that the greatest future for Canada lay in unity with the rest of the British Empire; and his broad statesmanlike judgment made him an authority which politicians of all parties were glad to consult.

Ecclesiastical leadership
He was very involved with the 1875 Union of the four Presbyterian groups that become the Presbyterian Church in Canada; not all of his contemporaries in the Synod of the Presbyterian Church of the Maritime Provinces of British North America joined with him in this new group, that eventually elected him Moderator of their General Assembly in 1889.

Principal of Queen's University
In 1877 Grant was appointed Principal of Queen's College in Kingston, Ontario, by the Third General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church in Canada. Through Grant's efforts and influence, Queen's expanded from a small denominational college into a large and influential educational centre. He attracted to it an exceptionally able body of professors, whose influence in speculation and research was widely felt during the quarter of a century that he remained at its head. Grant's great friend Sir Sandford Fleming served as chancellor of Queen's for most of Grant's tenure. Grant served as president of the Royal Society of Canada from 1890 to 1891.

In 1888 Grant visited Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. The effect of this experience was to strengthen still further the imperialism which was the guiding principle of his political opinions. On the outbreak of the Second Boer War in 1899, Grant was at first disposed to be hostile to the policy of British Prime Minister Lord Salisbury and Joseph Chamberlain; but his eyes were soon opened to the real nature of President Paul Kruger's government, and he enthusiastically welcomed and supported the national feeling which sent men from the outlying portions of the British Empire to assist in defeating the South African Republic and the Orange Free State. Grant did not live to see the conclusion of the war, his death occurring at Kingston, Ontario, on May 10, 1902.

Legacy
Late in 1901, while lying ill in Kingston General Hospital, Grant was visited by the Duke of Cornwall and York, the future King George V, who was touring Canada following the death of Queen Victoria earlier that year. The Prince appointed Grant Companion of the Order of St Michael and St George (CMG) in honour of his achievements. The medal of this British decoration, which went missing for many years, was rediscovered in 2008.

At the time of his death The Times observed "that it is acknowledged on all hands that in him the Dominion has lost one of the ablest men that it has yet produced."

In 1872 Grant married Jessie Lawson, who was the granddaughter of the first president of the Bank of Nova Scotia, William Lawson. Among their descendants was their grandson, the philosopher George Parkin Grant; their great-grandson, Michael Ignatieff, served as leader of the Official Opposition during his term as leader of the Liberal Party of Canada.

Grant Hall, a prominent clock tower and meeting hall at Queen's, is named in his honour.

Major works
Grant also published several volumes of sermons and lectures.
 * Ocean to Ocean (1873)
 * Advantages of Imperial Federation (1889)
 * Our National Objects and Aims (1890)
 * Religions of the World in Relation to Christianity (1894)

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Wikipedia talk:Template index/Maintenance

move to wikitravel
It would be useful if there were a 'Move to Wikitravel' template (e.g. Hidden London). However, I'm not sure how to set one up. Andrewferrier 18:26, 2004 Dec 21 (UTC)

See Template:Move to Wikitravel. Spencer195–spencer195 19:33, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Wikitravel is not a Wikimedia sister project, and as such, shouldn't be treated like Template:Move to Wiktionary. Our editors have no special relationship with that other site.  We have no instructions for just how to move that information, especially because Wikitravel uses a completely different license. -- Netoholic @ 19:48, 2004 Dec 21 (UTC)

blanked nonrecreatable page template?
What is the template for a page that's intentionally left blank and protected to deal with vandalism in the form of recreations? It should be listed here. CryptoDerk 01:51, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)

Major reorganization of Template messages table
I've done a major reorganization of the entries in the article-related template messages table. This makes the redundancies between this list and Issues & Disputes and Cleanup more obvious. Please see my remarks on Wikipedia talk:Template messages and comment there if you wish. - dcljr 16:04, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunate wording
The Attention tag says "Please improve it in any way you see fit." Of course we don't want that at all! We want someone to improve it in accordance with our policies of NPOV etc.. Can someone fix it, please? --Zero 01:54, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * You can edit the template at Template:Attention. I personally think it is fine the way it is.  Articles so tagged need a lot of help in general. Template_talk:Attention has discussion about the template's wording.  -- Reinyday, 16 August 2005

New template
I suggest a new template for articles that have outdated information or that need to be updated to current events, etc.. Is there already a template for this? Yodakii 17:12, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Great idea! That template exists. It is Update and currently looks like this:

-- Reinyday, 18:58, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

 * We need a template for Articles that are featured articles, due to recent concerns of lack of stability. (Note: No lack of stability, only the appearance of such.) The Terri Schiavo  article was worked on by many editors, myself included, and our work is the subject of occasional vandalism (sometimes we accuse one another of such), and this new template would stop that. I don't know if I need permission to create a template, but the only way to ask permission is to show it to you, so, I am concomitantly making it and posting it on the front page. If it is "premature," it can be hidden in "hidden comments," but I can't tell you as well as I can show you. See e.g., the front page for the needed new template -another new template, as hinted (but not actually asked, I admit) by the original beginner of this thread. Cheers.-- GordonWattsDotCom  01:29, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment: There are those who might say that this lack of stability would mean the article should not be a Featured Article, but this is false logic:

--GordonWattsDotCom 01:34, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * EMPERICAL FACT: Wikis are, by the nature of the cat, unstable.
 * PAST CONVENTION: We have a protect for images, so we -to be fair -need one for articles.
 * GUT FEELING: If no template for articles, as I suggest, then none for images -but we know that's wrong, so I must be right.

New Template?
(I'm pretty sure this doesn't exist but if it does let me know)

I propose a template for going in articles (not discussion pages) to draw attention to when a major change has been proposed. Here's an example of why I think it's needed (it's why I thought of it)

I just left a note on the List of Xbox games compatible with Xbox 360 talk page, proposing to completely change the format. But although many people who would agree with/be interested in/be capable doing it, it is possible only half or less (I don't know, but I know they wouldn't all) would look at it. A template to place on the main page of the article would draw attention to it, therefore help a more fair decision to be reached, as anyone who visits the article would be informed of it, so it's their choice whether or not to see what it is.

Anyone else agree? (or does it already exist?) - RedHotHeat 20:53, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

You should probably request it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_templates Mattyatty 18:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Where does copyvio template go?
Where does the copyvio template go? The other templates on this page say where the template should be inserted. Because of the "Talk" link, I assumed copyvio went on the talk page, not the topic page. Which is it? -- Mikeblas 07:41, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

 * It goes on the articel page, in place of all the violatory text. 68.39.174.238 04:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Moving
There doesn't seem to be a template to suggest a non-controversial page move. I'd normally be bold and go right ahead, but sometimes it might be appropriate to tag a la. Is there such a template? If not, do we think there should be? --kingboyk 23:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Same templates in Maintenance and Cleanup
Some templates are in both Template messages/Maintenance and Template messages/Cleanup. I don't see any reasons for this; I already removed some from this page. 'Merging and splitting' and 'Copyright violations' are still in both.Vints 17:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Main article template
I know there's a template that goes on a Talk page whose article is somewhere else is summarized using the template. It says something like "this article is summarized on another page; remember to keep those pages with this one." Anyone know where I can find it? --Ephilei 03:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyright violation banner - less prominent version?
Could we have a template version of the Copyright violation banner that is less prominent, for cases where a reporter is truly unsure if copyright has bee violated and he doesn't want to add such a bold gigantic statement?

I'm in this situation right now because Simultaneous brightness contrast looks a lot like, but I would like to attract experts on the subject. I like the article and I don't want to basically "kill" it with a huge warning label, just based on my opinion, without any expert advice. A small "possible copyright violation" banner that also adds the article to the relevant category would be perfect for this task.

So - could we have an alternative smaller version of the template for those cases? Peter S. 14:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

 * After reviewing the edit history, I don't think there's any doubt that article is copyvio. -- Mikeblas 14:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

make it easier to add a 'birth reason' in the template box?
When protecting articles, particularly those protected for forms of vandalism/edit wars (e.g. what caused the confrontation). Now I believe that in some cases this can be very valuable information...e.g. if it happens in an article about a scientific theory/concept that involves a broad range of other, un- or less disputed topics.

Is there a way to make it easier for editors to explain the template's addition within it, i.e. just under the 'you can help by...'? Having to go to the talk page can be very difficult (e.g. dialup connections), time consuming, or even just not 'interesting' enough, despite potentially good information.For instance, a generic factual accuracy tag could make a book look quite bad despite the fact that only one issue may have arisen.

I'm new to this, so please let me know if I(and I probably will) have overlooked something.

--Duagloth 06:26, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

subpages
These template message lists are getting too long. They should be split up into even more subpages. See Wikipedia_talk:Template_messages for main discussion -Eep² 16:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Protection temeplates
It is currently impossible to add more than one small protection template to a page (Those little padlocks in the top-right hand corner), could this be changed, who should I take this up with? Samuel 19:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Copylink template needed?
I often run across articles which link to external sources containing apparent copyvio text. Just a few examples from the Cuba article are: Considering WP:COPY, I think a template similar to Copypaste for tagging these instances is needed. If I'm wrong about this, please tell me. If nobody objects and nobody beats me to it, I'll probably create a Copylink template similar to Copypaste. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 00:39, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagsg022.php
 * http://www.haciendapub.com/castro3.html
 * http://www.haciendapub.com/castro4.html
 * Instead of Copylink, I created an inline template which can be placed on a link-by-link basis: Copyvio link. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 05:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Copyvio template here needs updating
The version of the copyvio template here needs to be updated. The template itself has changed substantially since it was substituted here. I've never worked much with templates so I'd rather avoid trying to do it myself and making a mess. Thanks! User:Glenn Willen (Talk) 01:18, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Updated. Thank you. -- œ ™ 09:28, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Discussion at Template talk:Expand language#Article page or talk page
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Expand language. -- Trevj (talk) 09:27, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

this template defaces wikipedia articles

 * Template_talk:Third-party - move to bottom - my "vote", for the record.)
 * Template_talk:Unreferenced -move to bottom - my "vote", for the record.)
 * Template_talk:Orphan - move to bottom - my "vote", for the record.)

as per links above: I can see the need for the template, sometimes. But it's inclusion in most cases is not subject to any consensus, and makes wikipedia look plain ugly. Can we at least move it to the bottom of the page for the humans to review first before it is moved to the top?

(Also for the record: I have been previously tagged "Troll?" by  PK T (alk)

Leng T'che (talk) 23:41, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Errata: I was pointed at MOS:LEAD, but to be honest I am note totally sure if raising this issue here is WP:CAN, so apologies in advance if I have erred. Maybe the rules for canvassing only apply to certain topics/contributors? Leng T'che (talk) 23:48, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * This suggestion has been made before, usually as a sub-suggestion in threads revolving around PEREN, but the response is always divided. I would suggest (with bias) that the majority favors the status quo. HTH. –Quiddity (talk) 00:25, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Proposed addition to the In use template
Your attention is called to the discussion about the In use template at Template_talk:In_use. 22:38, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Template:Needs English sources
While commencing the translation of Thoracic endometriosis from Spanish, which was posted here with a good number of sources in Spanish, I came up with the idea of create a new maintenance template, Needs English sources. So I created it, and set up some documentation for it, but came to realize that it requires infrastructure, such as in the creation and maintenance of article categories, that I, acting alone, am not equipped to provide. Is anyone interested in assisting with this? Largoplazo (talk) 17:33, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Comments appreciated regarding proposed citation-related maintained template
See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Citation_cleanup. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:23, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Mixing references and notes?
Do we have a template to indicate this problem? Exists in Hubert_Gough, for example. (Notes need to be split up from references). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:27, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Surely, if an editor notices this and considers it an issue, they can fix it themselves? It's not like "globalize", "missing information" etc where an editor might notice an issue but lack the expertise to fix it. Furius (talk) 01:50, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


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Scioto

Scioto is a word of Wyandot origin given to the Scioto River, which flows southwards from north central Ohio to the Ohio River.

 * Scioto may also refer to:

In Ohio

 * Scioto River
 * Little Scioto River (disambiguation), several flowing watercourses
 * Scioto Audubon Metro Park, in Columbus
 * Scioto Country Club, in Upper Arlington
 * Scioto County, Ohio, at the confluence of the Scioto and Ohio rivers
 * Scioto County Airport, a general aviation facility
 * Scioto Furnace, Ohio, an unincorporated community in Scioto County
 * Scioto Grange No. 1234, a historic building in Jackson
 * Scioto Greenway Trail, in Columbus
 * Scioto Mile, a collection of parks and trails in Columbus
 * Scioto Mile Fountain
 * Scioto Mile Promenade
 * Scioto Ordnance Plant, a WWII-era incendiary munitions factory
 * Scioto Peninsula, a land feature of the neighborhood of Franklinton (Columbus, Ohio)
 * Scioto Township (disambiguation), several places
 * Scioto Trail State Forest, in Pike and Ross counties

In other states

 * Scioto Mills, Illinois, an unincorporated community in Stephenson County
 * Sod, West Virginia (a.k.a. Scioto), an unincorporated community in Lincoln County

Animals

 * Scioto madtom (Noturus trautmani), an extinct species of freshwater fish
 * Scioto pigtoe (Pleurobema bournianum), a species of freshwater mussel

Other uses

 * Scioto Company, a French land company, established 1787, which operated in America
 * Scioto Lounge, a series of bronze sculptures in Columbus, Ohio

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Ione

Ione may refer to:

Places

 * Ione, California, a city
 * Ione, Colorado, an unincorporated community
 * Ione, Nevada, an unincorporated community
 * Ione, Oregon, a city
 * Ione, Washington, a town
 * Ionopolis or Ione, an ancient town near Antioch

People

 * Ione Band of Miwok Indians, a federally recognized tribe in California
 * Ione Belarra (born 1987), Spanish politician
 * Ione Christensen (born 1933), Canadian politician
 * Ione Virginia Hill Cowles (1858-1940), American clubwoman, social leader
 * Ione Wood Gibbs (c. 1871–1923), American educator, journalist, and clubwoman
 * Ione Grogan (1891–1961), American academic and educator
 * Ione Skye (born 1970), British-American actress

Other uses

 * Tropical Storm Ione (disambiguation), one Atlantic and several Pacific Ocean hurricanes, storms and typhoons
 * Ione (plant), a genus of orchids
 * Ione (isopod), a genus of isopod in the family Bopyridae
 * Ione (mythology), one of the Nereids in Greek mythology

title: Ione


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Atosiban

Atosiban, sold under the brand name Tractocile among others, is an inhibitor of the hormones oxytocin and vasopressin. It is used as an intravenous medication as a labour repressant (tocolytic) to halt premature labor. It was developed by Ferring Pharmaceuticals in Sweden and first reported in the literature in 1985. Originally marketed by Ferring Pharmaceuticals, it is licensed in proprietary and generic forms for the delay of imminent preterm birth in pregnant adult women.

The most commonly reported side effect is nausea.

Medical uses
Atosiban is used to delay birth in adult women who are 24 to 33 weeks pregnant, when they show signs that they may give birth pre-term (prematurely). These signs include regular contractions lasting at least 30 seconds at a rate of at least four every 30 minutes, and dilation of the cervix (the neck of the womb) of 1 to 3 cm and an effacement (a measure of the thinness of the cervix) of 50% or more. In addition, the baby must have a normal heart rate.

Mechanism of action
Atosiban is a nonapeptide, desamino-oxytocin analogue, and a competitive vasopressin/oxytocin receptor antagonist (VOTra). Atosiban inhibits the oxytocin-mediated release of inositol trisphosphate from the myometrial cell membrane. As a result, reduced release of intracellular, stored calcium from the sarcoplasmic reticulum of myometrial cells and reduced influx of Ca2+ from the extracellular space through voltage-gated channels occur. In addition, atosiban suppresses oxytocin-mediated release of PGE and PGF from the decidua.

In human preterm labour, atosiban, at the recommended dosage, antagonises uterine contractions and induces uterine quiescence. The onset of uterus relaxation following atosiban is rapid, uterine contractions being significantly reduced within 10 minutes to achieve stable uterine quiescence.

Atosiban use after assisted reproduction
Atosiban is useful in improving the pregnancy outcome of in vitro fertilization-embryo transfer (IVF-ET) in patients with repeated implantation failure. The pregnancy rate improved from zero to 43.7%.

First- and second-trimester bleeding was more prevalent in ART than in spontaneous pregnancies. From 2004 to 2010, 33 first-trimester pregnancies with vaginal bleeding after ART with evident uterine contractions, when using atosiban and/or ritodrine, no preterm delivery occurred  before 30 weeks.

In a 2010 meta-analysis, nifedipine is superior to β2 adrenergic receptor agonists and magnesium sulfate for tocolysis in women with preterm labor (20–36 weeks), but it has been assigned to pregnancy category C by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, so is not recommended before 20 weeks, or in the first trimester. A report from 2011 supports the use of atosiban, even at very early pregnancy, to decrease the frequency of uterine contractions to enhance success of pregnancy.

Pharmacovigilance
Following the launch of atosiban in 2000, the calculated cumulative patient exposure to atosiban (January 2000 to December 2005) is estimated as 156,468 treatment cycles. To date, routine monitoring of drug safety has revealed no major safety issues.

Regulatory affairs
Atosiban was approved in the European Union in January 2000 and launched in the European Union in April 2000. As of June 2007, atosiban was approved in 67 countries, excluding the United States and Japan. It was understood that Ferring did not expect to seek approval for atosiban in the US or Japan, focusing instead on development of new compounds for use in Spontaneous Preterm Labor (SPTL). The fact that atosiban only had a short duration before it was out of patent that the parent drug company decided not to pursue licensing in the US.

Systematic reviews
In a systematic review of atosiban for tocolysis in preterm labour, six clinical studies — two compared atosiban to placebo and four atosiban to a β agonist — showed a significant increase in the proportion of women undelivered by 48 hours in women receiving atosiban compared to placebo. When compared with β agonists, atosiban increased the proportion of women undelivered by 48 hours and was safer compared to β agonists. Therefore, oxytocin antagonists appear to be effective and safe for tocolysis in preterm labour.

A 2014 systematic review by the Cochrane Collaboration showed that while atosiban had fewer side effects than alternative drugs (such as ritodrine), other beta blockers, and calcium channel antagonists, it was no better than placebo in the major outcomes i.e. pregnancy prolongation or neonatal outcomes. The finding of an increase in infant deaths in one placebo-controlled trial warrants caution. Further research is recommended.

Atosiban vs. nifedipine
A 2013 retrospective study comparing the efficacy and safety of atosiban and nifedipine in the suppression of preterm labour concluded that atosiban and nifedipine are effective in delaying delivery for seven days or more in women presenting with preterm labour. A total of 68.3% of women in the atosiban group remained undelivered at seven days or more, compared with 64.7% in the nifedipine group. They have the same efficacy and associated minor side effects. However, flushing, palpitation, and hypotension were significantly higher in the nifedipine group.

A 2012 clinical trial compared tocolytic efficacy and tolerability of atosiban with that of nifedipine. Forty-eight (68.6%) women allocated to atosiban and 39 (52%) to nifedipine did not deliver and did not require an alternate agent at 48 hours, respectively (p=.03). Atosiban has fewer failures within 48 hours. Nifedipine may be associated with a longer postponement of delivery.

A 2009 randomised controlled study demonstrated for the first time the direct effects of atosiban on fetal movement, heart rate, and blood flow. Tocolysis with either atosiban or nifedipine combined with betamethasone administration had no direct fetal adverse effects.

Atosiban vs. ritodrine
Multicentre, controlled trial of atosiban vs. ritodrine in 128 women shows a significantly better tocolytic efficacy after 7 days in the atosiban group than in the ritodrine group (60.3 versus 34.9%), but not at 48 hours (68.3 versus 58.7%). Maternal adverse events were reported less frequently in the atosiban group (7.9 vs 70.8%), resulting in fewer early drug terminations due to adverse events (0 versus 20%). Therefore, atosiban is superior to ritodrine in the treatment of preterm labour.

Brand names
In India it is marketed under the brand name Tosiban by Zuventus healthcare ltd.

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Category:Tocolytics

Tocolytics are used to suppress premature labor.

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Germanicopolis

Germanicopolis (Greek: Γερμανικόπολις) may refer to several cities named after Germanicus:

 * Germanicopolis in Bithynia, a former name of Tahtalı, Turkey
 * Germanicopolis in Isauria, a former name of Ermenek, Turkey
 * Germanicopolis in Paphlagonia, a former name of Çankırı, Turkey

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