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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medical Specialist Centre

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Delete, apparently as a speedy. The deletion log shows:
 * 17:08, 31 Dec 2004 Jimfbleak deleted Medical Specialist Centre (content was: 'deleteagain}}The Medical Specialist Centre a Hospital located in the Wisma Maria building, along the junction of Jalan Ngee Heng with the Te...')
 * 23:46, 29 Dec 2004 Mikkalai deleted Medical Specialist Centre (recreated after VfD deletion)

Comment: Next time, please provide a link to the prior VfD discussion thread rather than trying to force it into the existing discussion. Closing the discussion. Rossami (talk) 04:10, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

New vfd
This page was vfd'ed a while ago. The outcome was delete. I don't see in the new article anything new or more notable. I am afraid author marked "stub" and will add, in a while, loads of too higly detailed elements (as he is doing there against vfd conclusions). Gtabary 20:43, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC) Speedily deleted as recreated after previous VfD. No new info is added to warrant notability.
 * Delete, smells like an ad. Wyss 20:48, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Abstain. Advertising... for a hospital?  GRider\talk 20:55, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Abuse of process, and still not notable. Jayjg  |  (Talk)  21:29, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Qualifies for a speedy, does it not? Xezbeth  22:04, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete I looked at the article's history, and it was created by the same person who created it lasttime. This is vandalism and should be speedily deleted. Spinboy 22:21, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I remember this trash, Speedy Delete as a recreation. hfool/Wazzup? 23:42, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep deleted: The author knew about the previous VfD outcome and had taken part (angrily) in the VfD debate. Therefore, this is not an honest mistake.  Geogre 04:03, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * If it wasn't the same article, it should not have been speedied! There is nothing to stop an editor from re-creating an article with different information. There is nothing in the deletion policy that says hospitals must be deleted. This is the personal opinion of some editors. The idea that Wikipedia can be "too highly detailed" is very worrying. Edit the article, Gtabary, if you think that. That's what editors do. But chasing another editor around, destroying all his work, is unfriendly to say the least.Dr Zen 23:00, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

There come to a point that you are saying that all Hospitals are to be deleted. There are lots more of Hospital articles on the wikipedia, and why are they not deleted since this is? There is a question to this:

 * 1) There is nothing wrong with Hospital articles. This time I have written with a new and friendly outlook, like Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, University of Massachusetts Medical School, Massachusetts General Hospital, etc. I written this time about the outlook of the hospital, instead about the staff itself. This article is just as notable as all other hospitals. What's wrong with writing Hospital articles? User:Chan Han Xiang
 * 2) There is no law that someone cannot write local-interest articles. Your first article. I did add local colours, and there's nothing wrong with that.
 * 3) Gtabary, I did not say that I will add the same old rubbish information again. I only added the stub, and promised to add more info. Other hospitals are just the same with that. Oh god, what's wrong with that? Hospitals are always not so notable, but in the margin between notable and non-notable. User:Chan Han Xiang
 * Article recreated after speedy deletion.  The article has been recreated again.  At this point, it is simply vandalism.  --BM 14:37, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to delete this one, because I'm party to an RfC about the editor. However, this re-creation is quite against policy. I believe the author does not understand that he is again dancing with vandalism. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 16:37, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * keep, possibly redirect somewhere. Sorry, I do not mean to overthrow previous VfDs, and I do not endorse the stubborness of the article (re)creator. But notability is in the eye of the beholder. Why should a real hospital be less notable than, say, Fatty Lumpkin or PallaPalla? If the content was an ad, fix it, or turn it into a redirect, no need for deletion. dab (ᛏ) 10:50, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Old discussion
Medical Specialist Centre was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete.

This article is about non noticeable hospital. Gives non remarkable informations, about non noticeable people. Read especially the details regarding employees potentialy harassing other employees. I suggest this is deleted. Some other articles of the same kind (same author, same federating topic) like Taman Johor Jaya, Hospitals of Johor Bahru Shopping centres of Johor Bahru City Square actually have loads of content but it looks to be petty informations like about my local supermarket, my personal GP, the name of my non noticeable street, the color of my shirt... Am I completly wrong ? --Gtabary 15:20, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Please note that User:Chan Han Xiang edited out (or, rather, "censored", in his own words) comments here by other editors. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 17:52, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Extremely weird. Some workers are left behind to entertain the patients?  The bosses run their own clinics and leave?  If put into less disturbed idiom, it would be not notable.  As it stands, it's incomprehensible without a generous reader. Geogre 20:45, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep: I agree what the writer of the article says. I totally disagree on what Geogre says. Generally, the bosses need to sleep at night. At the same time, hospitals have to be on for 24 hours for the sake of saving people in critical conditions at all times. By looking from the iew point of a human's life, a critically sick or injured person will surely die if there is no help to arrive on time. So, if a hospital is only open for, say, 12 hours, the person will not be able to wait and will even die. Furthermore, the bosses, I presume, are very rich and prominent people since they are able to built a hospital like Tan Tock Seng. So, I strongly urge you to keep the article. Annoyomous user
 * Delete. During talk, page author User:Chan Han Xiang asked me for other opinions. I vfd the page. I think this page and many others are excellent candidates for delete. --Gtabary 12:57, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable. Mikkalai 19:57, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a directory of hospitals. Gamaliel 02:06, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. Indrian 04:40, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is ridiculous, now people are going around and putting up other hospitals for vfd. Spinboy 05:26, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * What on the page says about the notabolity of the hospital, with the exception that it has to pay high rent to a church? That fact indeed says something about charity in this country... Mikkalai 17:58, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. It is useful, relevant, and the hospital is raised, whom I believe, is a very notable and rich man, who attains the Dato' titleship. Equal to the great Johorian Wong Ah Fook. Chan Han Xiang
 * Delete. And is it just me, or is User:Chan Han Xiang screwing around with other people's comments on this page? --Calton 15:44, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, there's irony for you: it turns out that User:Chan Han Xiang tried to delete my comment above as "abusive". Deleting other people's votes? Not done -- full stop, period, end of story. --Calton 15:40, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable hospital. Ant it's not just you Calton, he is ignoring Wikiquette and attempting to sabotage the debate here. [[User:Livajo|力伟|☺]] 01:40, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable. Jayjg 05:50, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Euphoria 08:32, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Dwarf loach

The dwarf loach, ladderback loach, pygmy loach, chain loach or chain botia (Ambastaia sidthimunki) is a freshwater fish belonging to the family Botiidae. Formerly included in the genus Yasuhikotakia, it is frequently seen in the aquarium trade, the product of captive breeding.

This endangered species is endemic to the Mae Klong basin (including Khwae Noi River) in Thailand, and the Ataran River on the Thai-Myanmar border. Records from the Mekong basin are misidentifications of the very similar and closely related A. nigrolineata.

Size and habitat
The dwarf loach can grow up to 6 cm in length. It prefers water with temperature 25 - 30 C, pH 6.5 to 6.9 dGH to 8.0. It is omnivorous, with a diet including live crustaceans, insects, snails, etc.

The dwarf loach is found in the Mae Klong River and the Khwae Noi River in western Thailand. This species is endangered and is a protected species in Thailand. It was thought to be extinct in the wild until recently rediscovered in Sangkhla Buri. While they disappeared from the wild, it remained in the aquarium trade because of artificial breeding by private fish farms for over three decades.

The fish was discovered by Somphong Lekaree (สมพงษ์ เล็กอารีย์) and Damri Sukaram (ดำริ สุขอร่าม) in 1959. Lekaree was an aquarium fish exporter while Sukaram was a fisherman for aquarium trade.

The specific epithet of this fish honors Aree Sidthimunk (อารีย์ สิทธิมังค์), a researcher at Department of Fisheries, Ministry of Agriculture.

Related species
The dwarf loach closely resembles Ambastaia nigrolineata, another Thai protected species, especially when the fish is fully grown. The difference is easily seen when the fish is still small. Juveniles of A. sidthimunki have dotted patterns while A. nigrolineata have horizontal lines on them. Furthermore, the chain pattern of A. sidthimunki develops in fish at a smaller size.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Talk:Benji Madden

What is UP?
Something is wrong with this page. Under tattoos someone messed it up or something. I don't know what tatoos he has so i can't fix it...can someone help maybe? <3/Teentitans! 22:25, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know about this; I've reverted the article to a previous version of it in the page's history. It should be fine now. --Idont Havaname 03:23, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Whoever keeps posting "o yea he is the man" at the bottom of the article, please stop. It is completely irrelevant to his biography or to his tattoo listings. Please stop.

Copyvio content added recently
Somebody added some copyvio to the article recently, namely the "Benji's Fave things" section, which is copy-and-pasted from this and many other websites. WP:CP says that we should just assume that everything is copyrighted once it's published. Please do not add copyrighted material to Wikipedia. --Idont Havaname 01:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Benji's tattoos
The left side of his neck: The Virgin Mary, and below it is written "Saved by Grace."

The right side of the neck: The agonizing Jesus, and below it is written "No Greater Love."

throat/front of neck: a heart with horns around it. Coming out of the heart are flames with a keyhole in the flames right over his voicebox.

Stomach: "PUNX" in 6-inch black letters.

left shoulder: "GC" in a circle with Irish flag colors.

upper left arm: a knife going through a set of brass knuckles with flames around it. "PUNX" and "Take It To The Streets" are tattooed beneath it, and "East Coast" tattooed above it. -a skull and crossbones, -a blue nautical star with "Joel" beneath it, -"Cash" and a martini glass

left elbow: -Spiderweb that he got with Tony from Mest, -"GC", -a skull and crossbones

lower left arm: -the last supper, -a dagger with 2 sparrows, -the world on fire, -a scroll with a text from Revelation 21:1: "and I saw a new heaven and a new earth for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away.", - the number 21, - a blue hinge in his elbow

right shoulder: a crown and underneath it says "MoM".

upper right arm: - a blue nautical star with "benjamin" tattooed beneath it, -an Irish flag, -a bunny with a cross on its chest, -what appears to be a wagon with a skeleton in a suit sitting on it.

right elbow: -a flower surrounding a skull.

lower right arm: -a graveyard with Jesus standing in it, holding a lamb. -a guy holding balloons, -alice from 'alice in wonderland' kneeling and crying.

right leg: PxPx, the MxPx head logo, -Minor Threat sheep, -Rancid (as in the band), "NFG" (for New Found Glory) -GC (yet again).

right hand: a stitches tattoo, in between his thumb and index finger, that he got with his friend, Brian, as signifying blood brothers

On the outside of his right hand there are the letters "AMC." This stands for "American Murder Crew." It is something that he, Joel, and their group of friends from D.C. all have

Across his right knuckles he has M-A-D-E

Across his left knuckles he has M-A-N, and a horseshoe with stars on his pinky

On the right side of his chest he has a GC sparrow with "Sarah," his sister's name, underneath it

On the left side of his chest he has a GC sparrow with "Josh," the name of his brother
 * The material above has been moved from the main article to this discussion page until someone can WP:CITE credible sources for all of this information. Whether each and every one of Mr Madden's tattoos need to be listed in an encyclopedia article is also up for debate.  Hall Monitor 18:33, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Articles on some other celebrities list their tattoos, but I've seen several articles (Mariah Carey was a relatively recent one) get nominated for Article Improvement Drive because they had too much fan trivia. Listing all of his tattoos (considering that he does have many) is fan trivia, and I had always thought that that section needed cleanup anyway.  It probably was good to remove it; thanks. --Idont Havaname 21:51, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

New Pic
If I am not mistaking (and I can be, isn't that picture one of Benji with the girl that one of Joel Madden? I mean if you look closley at the unedited pictutre, you can't see the MADE MAN on his knuckles. Awhitfie
 * The current picture just looks like a head shot to me (and half of a girl's face). Earlier versions of this article had two pictures of him, but those were removed due to copyright concerns (see the page history).  Image:Benji Madden.jpg was there, but it still isn't sourced with one of the Image copyright tags.  You're welcome to add a different picture of him, though please make sure it's sourced correctly.  (I know that deciding which of those tags to use can be a real headache, but try to do the best that you can if you're going to add a new picture of him.  If you're not sure, you can always ask for help at Wikipedia talk:Image copyright tags.) --Idont Havaname 23:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The www.defenselink.mil article I found the photo on said that it was Benji Madden in the photo, not Joel. Extraordinary Machine 15:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The image was simply mislabeled. Those things happened. The picture is of Joel Madden. Benji has 5 facial piercings: 3 on his lip, one Monroe (above the corner of the upper lip), and his nose. None of those are present. Also,you can clearly see Joel's large mole on the left side of his face in this picture. And also, Benji has many tattoos on his neck, Joel does not. Spuddy 17 05:41, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

–I've added another image, this one cut from their official site, but I'm not sure of its license.

Cleanup
I came across this article looking at people from Maryland. I know a deal about this person from meeting him and knowing him before his fame. I can confirm the Last Supper tattoo, as he got that the day of his first National CD release party and debuted it to everyone at the Acme Bar in Annapolis, Maryland. I am going to see if I can find a picture from my collection to post, even if its supplmental to the article, further down the page. I am also putting this on my watch list so I can help the cleanup. The article looks like it was taken in part from the IMDB bio which was written by someone I know, which is also first hand knowledge of him. So there is a bit of a jumble when it comes to the father leaving and as to why, its not because they took their mother's maiden name as their last name, as the article reads now. --vi 22:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Caleigh Peters
I found an article in the newspaper about benji and caleigh. i googled it and it seemed right so i put it there. I dunno if anyone else cares though, but get rid of it if you dont agree. peace out GEorGE 23:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Clean-up
This page could use a clean-up. If you look at Joel Maddens page it's a lot more organized. I'm not sure how to get it started.--Jennie Ambrose 05:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Relatives
The article mentions his brother and sister, but not his uncle John Madden, why is that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The globetrotter (talk • contribs) 00:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Benji moving?
at the melbourne good charlotte concert (october 13) benji announced that he was moving to australia. i dont know if that should be in here and, if it should be, how to cite it. does anyone want to put it in? i didnt know so i left it here for discussion...124.188.25.83 09:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Sexiest man alive
I got rid of "Benji Madden won the Sexiest Man in the World award in 1979-2008", cause its rubbish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hannahmay (talk • contribs) 12:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

New picture
It would be nice if a good, new and fresh picture of him would be added. I mean, the main picture is quite old and I would appreciate if someone took time to add a new one.. maybe from this year or last year. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.72.225.46 (talk) 16:18, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Marriage in the Info Box?
Should the info box mention his marriage? I notice that Diaz's box mentions this but this info box is a little different as it refers to mostly musical issues rather than general background. I was surprised that there wasn't a mention of this already in the article though.-- XANIA - ЗAНИAWikipedia talk | talk 22:07, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I tell a lie - it is mentioned after all.-- XANIA - ЗAНИAWikipedia talk | talk 22:08, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I didn't see it. His spouse should be mentioned in info box. Friendlyliz (talk) 17:37, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

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Phyllis Nelson

Phyllis Nelson (October 3, 1950 – January 12, 1998) was an American singer, most famous for her 1985 song "Move Closer", which topped the chart in the United Kingdom. Her son is the singer and record producer Marc Nelson, who was a member of Boyz II Men.

Career
Nelson was born in Jacksonville, Florida, and a member of family group Nelson Five. She was later a backup singer for Major Harris and Philly Cream. She worked and recorded for several years from the late 1970s to the mid-1980s. Her records were mostly dance oriented. She also recorded numerous records during the disco era.

In 1984, she recorded a self-written ballad entitled "Move Closer". It was a complete departure from the type of music she had been recording. The lyrics of "Move Closer" were based on a long-term love affair she had with a much younger man in Philadelphia, who was struggling to start his own computer business. They lived together for several years, raising Nelson's two children (Marc and Kenya) that she had from previous relationships.

While "Move Closer" failed to find an audience in her native United States, it was successful in the United Kingdom, where it peaked at the top of the UK Singles Chart in April 1985. The song remained on the chart for almost six months, and became one of Britain's best selling singles of the year.

Based in France, she recorded a single with the French actor Alain Delon: "I Don't Know". It was included in the original soundtrack of the 1985 French film Parole De Flic (Cop's Honor). Her subsequent releases failed to make any impression (except "I Like You" which made No. 81), and she is remembered as a one-hit wonder.

In the United States, she had success on the Hot Dance Club Play chart, where her song "I Like You" peaked at No. 1 in 1985 and No. 61 on the Hot 100. "Move Closer" returned to the UK chart in 1994, reaching the top 40, after being featured in a television commercial for anti-perspirant.

Death
Nelson died in January 1998 at the age of 47 from breast cancer in Los Angeles, California, where she had been living since her divorce.

Her son Marc Nelson also enjoyed a recording career, being a co-founder member of the group Boyz II Men.

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Tavares, Orlando and Atlantic Railroad

The Tavares, Orlando and Atlantic Railroad Company was incorporated by Florida state law chapter 3499, approved March 5, 1883, as owned by Alexander St. Clair-Abrams of New Orleans, W. R. Anno, Nat Poyntz and J. L. Bryan of Orange County, Florida; L. H. Davis of New Jersey; John P. Morton of Kentucky; and Charles Jay of Vermont.

The line was defined as beginning at Tavares, in Lake County, running thence to Orlando in Orange County, passing through or near Apopka City, thence to such point on the Atlantic coast as the said company by its President and Board of Directors may determine, together with a branch from or near Apopka City, to or near Oakland, on the south side of Lake Apopka.

The railroad was promised land grants along its line.

title: Tavares, Orlando and Atlantic Railroad


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User talk:Emerman/archive1

See the history page for old conversations thus far. I use this archive method, having learned it from user Guanaco's similar talk page archive style.

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User talk:Novalogic

Welcome
Hi Novalogic -- Great to see you here and thank you for your assistance with the BitchX article! Take a look at my contributions page some time to see what else I've been following. —[[en:RaD Man|RaD Man (talk)]] 15:24, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Category:Heroes of the Soviet Union

Hero of the Soviet Union was the highest honorary title in the Soviet Union and awarded over 12,700 times. Twenty people have been stripped of this title due to various circumstances.

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Talk:Moorman photo

 The Moorman #5 polaroid captured simultaneously with Zapruder frame 315 to 316 (precisely 315.6), only 0.14 second after President Kennedy's head exploded (do you know where the "badge man" and HSCA-determined grassy knoll assassins were located?) ''Used with the personal permission of Mary Moorman, one of three dozen Dealey Plaza  ''witnesses I have personally interviewed. Anyone who claims to know anything about'' ''the assassination should personally interview the living witnesses. They are relatively easy to'' locate, and most will share the details of what he/she saw, heard, felt, touched, and/or smelled.    Moorman #5 showing inverted shades displaying the evident damage to the head top and head rear of President Kennedy.    The HSCA acoustically-determined the location of the grassy knoll assassin when the HSCA had a 11-22-63 Dallas police motorcycle escort radio tape scientifically analyzed and compared to an HSCA shooting recreation recorded in 1978. The HSCA never tested the "badge man" location because the "badge man" was not discovered until 1982.

 The "badge man" cropped, contrasted and brightened only.

 (left to right, and colorized) supposedly Gordon Arnold filming, "badge man" assassin,
 the railroadman construction-hard-hatted accomplice.

 The "badge man" assassin colorized.
 Badgeman 15:29, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:John 3:16

Popular Culture
On September 20, 1987, a strategical blunder committed in an NFL game led to a particularly distinctive parody of the sign being created: The Cincinnati Bengals led the San Francisco 49ers by six points in the closing seconds of a game played at Cincinnati's Riverfront Stadium; faced with a fourth down in their own territory, Bengals head coach Sam Wyche called a running play. The 49ers had no timeouts remaining, and it was Wyche's belief that this play would successfully run out the clock. However, Wyche overlooked the fact that under NFL rules, the clock is automatically stopped on any play that results in a change of possession - and that is what occurred on this play as the Bengals did not gain enough yardage on it to obtain a first down. There were six seconds remaining when the clock was stopped; the 49ers then took possession of the ball, and on the ensuing play Joe Montana threw a touchdown pass to Jerry Rice, and the successful extra point attempt that followed gave San Francisco a 27-26 victory.

I read this about 4times and tried to figure out how this relates to John 3:16. And I couldnt find a reason. Explain, please
 * The ensuing paragraph relates that one. Not very well though.--Will2k 15:48, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

The people likely to display the Bible reference at sporting events are better described as Evangelicalists with their emphasis on biblically-oriented and personally experienced faith. In other branches of Christianity, such as Catholicism and the Orthodox Church, tradition plays a great role (a scientist would use the term "the literature" for "tradition"), and followers of these other branches would find the verse on its own meaningless and out-of-context. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.78.109.87  (talk • contribs)  18:08, 29 July 2005

First debate
The article states ...so briefly (and accurately) summarizes the central dogmata of the Christian faith.

I have issues with the (and accurately) interjection (leaving aside the issue of whether individual verses of the christians' bible should be listed in a general world encyclopedia). From whose Point of View is this accurate? Which sects of christian belief cite it and which deny it? In what way is this "accurate" from the point of view of non-christians (and non-christians make up the majority of our readers)?

As an aethist (to declare an interest), I do not accept accuracy statements relating to any religious texts unless further, non-religious, sources can be quoted. This is my personal and declared opinion so people responding should please question the idea rather than question the questioner. ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 21:54, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought the same thing honestly, when reading this article before making my post to the AfD discussion. and accurately should probably go... I know that the issue of salvation has been at the center of controversy for centuries (see Predestination for starters) so I think it's certainly POV to say that John 3:16 accurately reflects what every christian believes.  I think citing a source or two could be helpful, if anyone wants to dig one up. --W.marsh 22:12, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Apparently all people involved in this discussion come from the other AfD... Anyway, I also dispute that the verse summarizes the central dogmata of Christianity. Who said that? These are two central dogmaota, but only ones exists, as far as I know. I therefore propose to change the second sentence of the introduction into: It has been called ... because it is considered a summary of two central dogmata of Christianity: the humanity and the sacrifice of Christ This would also be a slight simplification. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 00:42, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't know exactly how much we should wait here for people to join the discussion, but since a week has passed and nobody else has commented, I will implement my proposal and remove the pov tag. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 20:03, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Second debate
Sorry, but I want to re-open this issue. The text currently reads as follows:

It has been called the "Bible in a nutshell" because it is considered a summary of two central dogmata of Christianity: the humanity and the sacrifice of Christ.

I have two objections:

1. What Christian group considers the humanity of Christ to be "one of the two central dogmata" of their faith? Almost all Christian groups believe that Jesus was both God and man. Some Christians believe Jesus was simply a man. But there haven't been any Christians who claimed that Jesus was not a man since the fourth century.

2. More importantly, in what possible way can you find the humanity of Christ in John 3:16? This verse refers to Christ as "God's only son" -- but I don't see why you think it implies he's human. Of course, other Bible passages make it clear that Jesus is human, but not this one.

My proposed revision is this:

It has been called the "Bible in a nutshell" by some Christians because it contains two dogmas that are central to the beliefs of the traditional Christian churches: the sacrifice of Christ, and the importance of faith in Christ.

This is more accurate, and by using the phrase "the traditional Christian churches" it avoids the inaccuracy of the earlier versions, since many 19th and 20th century churches don't accept these two doctrines.

Objections? Lawrence King 23:02, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Like you I have never really thought the introductory sentence of which you speak properly summarised the sort of doctrinal things which Christians see this verse as pointing towards. Encouraged by your proposing to revise it, I have gone for a radical reworking of this sentence.  See if you think it accurately reflects the Christian doctines for which Christians consider this verse so rich in theology!  Be bold. Brusselsshrek 13:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I like your additions, but made some alterations. When the Bible or the creeds refer to Jesus as the only begotten Son of God, this is referring to his generation from the father in eternity before time was created, not to his incarnation that took place in our human timeline. In other words, the second person of the Trinity would not be "Jesus" or "Christ" if there was no incarnation, but he would still be the Word of God, the Son of God, and indeed God.

And I'm not usually "bold" when altering something that looks like it has been debated previously.... perhaps a wiki-failing on my part? Lawrence King 23:43, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm very glad that you linked to the relevant doctrinal detail. I hoped and knew this would happen.  Following your lead, I've just also added the link to sola fide.  I am very happy that at least this new structure enables the depth of the verse to be explained via links to the relevant doctrinal sections.  Brusselsshrek 12:38, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

The sentence (with your addition in red) now reads:

- being saved is based on belief or faith, rather than by works, a doctrine known as sola fide

With your addition, unfortunately this no longer belongs in a list of "some of the most important doctrines of Christianity", because it's now Protestant-specific.

The original phrasing, "saved based on belief or faith, rather than by works" is indeed part of the doctrine shared by all the historic Christian churches. For example, see the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification.

However, "sola fide" refers to a very similar-sounding doctrine: that Christians are "saved by belief or faith alone". This doctrine is held by the Lutheran church and most of the Reformation churches, but not by the Catholic or Orthodox churches. Catholics, for example, believe that this contradicts the letter of James (the only New Testament book to use the phrase "faith alone" in the Greek).

I changed it to this:

- being saved is based on belief or faith, rather than based on human works

Even though you said "be bold", I wanted to explain my reasons, because (1) my change is almost a reversion of your last change, and (2) I'm a Catholic Christian myself, and I'm also an NPOV fanatic, so I thought it wouldn't hurt to have a second set of eyes look over my change! Does this look okay to you? Lawrence King 03:10, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm very happy to drop the whole "sola-fide" thing. I think it is important to make sure that the links only point to what the verse actually does state or imply, rather than bringing in all sorts of other things (which may or may not be supported elsewhere in scripture).  I therefore can only support the linking purely to "faith"; this is certainly how the verse says we are saved, and certainly any conclusion of whether this is by faith alone or includes works is beyond the scope of this verse, and so from a NPOV stance it is correct that such debate be left for elsewhere.  I have not looked, but I am sure that the sola fide and other similar pages display with full vigour each side of this obviously very important discussion.  Brusselsshrek 10:22, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Just to clarify what I was saying: I'm not saying that we have to stick exactly to what's in the verse itself, because this section opens with the phrase "It has been called the 'Bible in a nutshell' because it is considered a summary of some of the most important doctrines of Christianity."  To me, this phrase doesn't claim that these doctrines are necessarily found in the verse; it just claims that these doctrines "are considered" to be found in the verse. So I don't object to any reference to "works" on this grounds. My objection is on the grounds of the phrase "some of the most important doctrines in Christianity" -- which, to be NPOV, should remain limited to doctrines that the major mainstream denominations would agree on.

And yes, the sola fide page has endless debates. I'm trying to avoid that sort of things these days (too much of a wiki-holic....) Lawrence King 20:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Third debate
''...that whosoever... - that the salvation is open to all''

This is partisan in that is assumes one of two points, or possibly both: 1.) That the word "whosoever" implies ability on the part of all. But it doesn't. If I say "whoever runs up the hill will get a dollar," that doesn't mean that the "dollar is open to all," including my paraplegic neighbor. 2.) That "world" always, only has a single denotative referent, namely "every single individual ever." But it doesn't. See John 7:7, 17:9, 1 John 5:19. These two assumptions are contested by a significant contigent of conservative Christianity (viz., Calvinists, tracing back to the later Augustine's interpretation of the passage).

My suggestion is:

''...that whosoever... - that salvation is open to all who will believe ''

This should be acceptable by all parties. » MonkeeSage « 18:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Since nobody has objected, I've made the change. » MonkeeSage « 01:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

 * A bit late, but I agree. It is in accordance with context and meaning of other NT verses. -- ActiveSelective 04:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

All of this discussion about parsing this verse amounts to nothing more than original research. The discussion regarding the opening text, to the extent it quotes the Bible, should be limited to which Bible we accept for our example text. We are not Bible text translaters and if we pick and choose to the point where our text does not match any of the mentioned Bibles, then we have written a new text and that is a WP:OR violation. I would suggest that the New American Standard Bible is the best balance of fidelity to original texts along with understandability. These two criteria are the ones I suggest we measure by. → Wombdpsw - @ ← 06:54, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Continuity error
Did anyone notice that the text in the picture is a different translation from the text quoted to its left (top of the page)? Somewhat unprofessional, if I may say so... Anyone care to fix? -Jadorno 18:52, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

 * The problem is thus: the image is of the NIV translation which is copyrighted (so can't be used in the article). I have requested WP review the image to determine if it falls under fair use.  What is probably the best course of action, regardless of fair use ruling, is to take a similar picture of a non-copyrighted version (such as the KJV which is the one being quoted). AdamWeeden 12:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

 * After posting the image to Wikipedia talk:Copyrights/Can_I_use... (the appropriate spot for this sort of thing) and getting some negative feedback, I'm going to be requesting the image be taken down as a copyright violation. If anyone has a non-copyrighted Bible they'd like to photograph as a replacement, feel free. Adam Weeden  10:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Typical Interpreation
The interpretive section at the beginning of the article needed to be prefaced to point out its subjectivity.

 * I don't think it should be prefaced, I think it should be removed and replaced by sourced interpretations from credible and varied sources. For instance, if the Pope of the catholic church made a quote about the verse, provide sources and place here.  The same goes for other churches, pastors, and religious affiliations.  I don't want to be so bold as to remove the entire section, which could spark an edit war, but as it is, it is nothing more than OR, and needs to go.72.78.179.244 (talk) 14:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Poor quality picture
When raising a concern please make sure you stay within the confines of civility, especially the portion in relation to unnecessary profanity. Thank you. Adam Weeden 23:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

References to God in Greek and literal translation
I capitalized all references to God and Son of God in the Greek texts, because this is how they appear in the original Greek texts. Also, I'd appreciate your feedback regarding the literal translation:

 * Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ Θεὸς τὸν κόσμον, ὥστε τὸν Υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς Αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ᾽ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον.

 * So [much], id est, loved [masculine article "o"] God the world, that the Son the [only child/of same substance] [He] gave so-that everyone who believes to Him not perish but have life eternal.

This is exact translation word-by-word. How should it be adapted in English? NikoSilver 15:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, come to think of it:

 * "γάρ" can mean any of the following: id est/that is/to say/i.e./therefore/to explain...
 * "ἵνα" can mean: so that/to/so as/for/so to/in order to...

Your input is valuable. NikoSilver 15:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Nonsense. The distinction between uppercase and lowercase letters in the Greek alphabet did not exist until centuries after this text and its early manuscripts were written. There is no capitalization in the early manuscripts, as can be plainly seen by looking at them. Where are you getting this nonsense? Antinoos69 (talk) 16:49, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

An actual literal translation is much more like :

 * So indeed loved God the world that the son the unique he gave that everyone who believes on him not may perish but have life eternal.

I would also suggest that this word-for-word translation, while adding little to the discussion, does clarify the context somewhat; and if nothing else, context is important (in this context).

The interesting thing I've learned by translating the new testament is just how easy it is to read traditional meaning into very ordinary phrases, which are most inappropriate here, in every sense. If we're going to be literal, let's at least be literal! Since I'm still very much a student of Koine Greek, I apologise if this is inappropriate. Cephas Borg (talk) 14:32, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Reference to Textus Receptus vs Alexandrian Text
The reference at the bottom of this article is inaccurate. Both the Byzantine Text and the Alexandrian Text types have identical Greek wording when it comes to the auton you refer to. The UBS4, NA27, Westcott and Hort (based primarily on Codex Vaticanus the epitome of Alexandrian Texts) and the TR all include the auton. What the person meant to write, I presume, is that the autou (between "son" and "the only begotten" in Greek, i.e. TR reads "His only-begotten Son" while the Alexandrian Text type reads "the only begotten Son.") is not in the Alexandrian Text type. But that Greek word was not included in the Greek at the top of the page, so there's no need to footnote it unless you use the TR as your text for the Greek at the top of the page.

FYI

Jared White, M. Div —Preceding unsigned comment added by Framdamdidily (talk • contribs) 17:57, 27 July 2007

I noticed the same thing a Jared, since the existing footnote is confusing, I've moved the footnote to where the 'missing' autou goes in the Byzantine text, and adjusted the footnote as well.

bob relyea

Unfortunately, where the footnote is among a sea of blue links makes it almost invisible, and the textual variant is mentioned nowhere else in the article. Since the majority variant in modern greek texts is ignored in favor of the traditional rendering in almost all translations, this issue probably deserves a mention in the article itself.

Spinkham (talk) 05:32, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

 * thank you😚 41.114.207.180 (talk) 18:26, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Allusions in popular culture
This Bible reference is often cited or parodied in popular culture, but most examples of this are not significant. Adding them into the article contravenes the policies WP:TRIVIA and "No original research" unless there are independent reliable references confirming that the instance is significant. They should therefore be deleted.

See this old version for some examples that have previously been added and deleted. - Fayenatic (talk) 13:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

 * People keep adding this one:
 * '' In Family Guy, Chris Griffin holds up a sign which reads: 'John 3:16'. Brian later looks for this quotation in the Bible and reads: 'And the Lord said, "Go Sox!".
 * Why? Is it particularly significant? - Fayenatic (talk) 08:48, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

It is significant because is was 'John 3:16' being used in pop culture why couldn't it be on the page Speer320 (talk) 23:13, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

 * But is there any reason to consider it more significant than all the other references in pop culture? Did it raise a prominent response e.g. was the public or official reaction to it discussed in newspapers or on television? No? Then I'm deleting it again. - Fayenatic (talk) 09:08, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Then why do all the other get to be on they did not "raise a prominent response". If You Can't Back this up then I think the whole Pop Culture Section should be removed Speer320 (talk) 09:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

 * A long list of trivial pop culture references has been concisely summarised already. This one is covered in the existing sentence Various real and fictional characters have parodied the phrase by substituting their own name for "John", or pretending that the verse says something else. "Austin 3:16" gained press coverage; did "And the Lord said, Go Sox"? - Fayenatic (talk) 16:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Popular Culture suggestion
Would it be "trivial", so to speak, to include the August 11th Pearls Before Swine strip in the "popular culture" section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Montaced (talk • contribs) 00:09, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

 * It probably would. Did it raise a prominent response e.g. was the public or official reaction to it discussed in newspapers or on television? - Fayenatic (talk) 13:29, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

What about in the Family Guy episode, Mr. Griffin Goes to Washington, where the Griffin family prepares to go to the sox opening game and Chris presents a sign that says John 3:16. Brian quotes the passage as "and The Lord said,'Go Sox" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.39.251.91 (talk) 02:42, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * See above. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:08, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Cowboy superstar Dale Evans apparently would cite John 3:16 on her autographs according to this artifact reported to the Howard Cable blog Teledyn (talk) 15:50, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

John 16:3 quote
As per the Snopes article at [], there's a fairly common email forward asserting that a given disliked politician cited John 16:3 as their favorite quotation, "And they will do this because they have not known the Father nor Me". Media attention? No more than most of examples listed, but it is informative to indicate it as an urban legend. After all, Wikipedia seeks to inform and educate, right? -71.182.176.147 (talk) 05:13, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Miss USA scandal and Sheena Monnin

 * This morning, I posted a short synopsis of the recent leading-headlines scandal and my rationale for its inclusion in this article (i.e., "added Sheena Monnin entry - it's in front-page news and in broadcast headlines; her religious views (summed up in John 3:16) are being used to explain her views"). Additionally, the pageant has also begun selecting questions for its finalists from Twitter, even more closely linking that organization to social media, and thereby making Monnin's Facebook entries all the more relevant. Here's my post:
 * On her Facebook page, Miss USA 2012 contestant Sheena Monnin (Miss Pennsylvania 2012) describes herself as "conservative" and characterizes her religious views by citing the Bible verse John 3:16. The beauty pageant queen and her Facebook postings recently made headlines when Monnin resigned from pageant after publicly claiming it was fixed, posting on her Facebook page, "After it was indeed the Top 5 I knew the show must be rigged; I decided at that moment to distance myself from an organization who did not allow fair play and whose morals did not match my own.” The Miss Universe Organization dismissed her allegations as "false", and published portions of an email Monnin sent pageant officials indicating that she was resigning for a different reason: because she disagreed with the organization’s recent decision to admit transgender contestants. Froid 10:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Personally, I find it hard to think of a cultural allusion with less relevance. The verse contains a passing mention in the article. Contrast this, for example, with the coverage the verse gets in regards to Tim Tebow. StAnselm (talk) 12:07, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Firstborn of Creation
I may be confused here, but the claim that Jesus is 'firstborn of creation' sounds to me like it means that he is within creation: which is the JW position (and that of Arius), but not that of most Christians, who place the Son as eternally begotten, and not part of creation but part of eternal God. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.8.96 (talk) 08:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The way I've heard "firstborn of creation" described is that it is indicative of Jesus' having lordship over all creation - having the powers of a "first born" son, whether or not He had siblings or was created. So, "firstborn" as I understand it in this context refers to Jesus' power. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.246.173.137 (talk) 19:52, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

LOLCAT bible?
Is the "lolcat bible" version really a valid bible translation? 87.202.125.30 (talk) 10:26, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Depends what you define as a "valid" bible translation. We have to be really careful in answering this as this somewhat of a moving target.  I know people who say the KJV is the only "valid" translation. Adam Weeden  16:59, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No. It's a wiki on the internet.  It's not a fixed publication. It's not a question of whether the translation is theologically valid (the KJV-only thing) but whether a reliable source exists to document the translation.  For lolcats, the answer is emphatically "no". — Lomn 14:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent point. Adam Weeden 14:14, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Too many translations
The huge number of translations, many of them very similar, unbalance the article. I propose to reduce the list to a representative sample from the centuries and translation methods listed at Bible translations: Greek, Latin, Wyclif, Tyndale, Douay-Rheims, KJV, RV, NASB (C20 formal equivalance), GNB (C20 dynamic equivalence), NIV (C20 in-between approach and best seller), Living Bible (C20 paraphrase), ESV (C21 formal), The Message (C21 dynamic). Comments? - Fayenatic (talk) 08:58, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Brilliant improvement, and a fairly good selection as well. AndrewNJ (talk) 05:03, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Added Recovery Version literal translation. Useful due to its translation of the Greek preposition "eis" as "into" rather than "in". PRedLSU (talk) 19:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)PRedLSU 02:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

The Message
I want to point a couple things out about the Message, from several standpoints. 1. It is neither historically significant, nor culturally notable: it is passing like a fad, (and that's to be expected with anything on a register that has no formalizing to make it endure, but that's another interesting subject altogether!) 2. The Message at this verse isn't even a translation, it's more a compressed commentary, but from the standpoint of either Greek, or any other of the listed translations, the Message has far gone beyond the components of meaning in the original or those other translations, and eisegeted; it's also hard to imagine that as the meaning of the author of the same work including a passage like Chapter 6. My suggestion is that we find a better paraphrase: "God's Word" and "Bible in Basic English" are both readable here, http://bible.cc/john/3-16.htm, and they are both published, and the latter is actually a notable and significant production. tooMuchData 22:20, 16 February 2009 (UTC) - User:PRedLSU (talk)

 * The Message in in the list as an example of non-literal Bible translations completed in the 21st century (even though its NT was published in the 20th). See here for a C21 list: http://bible-researcher.com/versbib13.html
 * Clearly, The Message might be superseded by more significant new works as the century goes on, but for the time being it is often quoted.
 * The other points of view expressed above would be interesting to discuss, but this is not the place. The Message's take on this verse is not so demonstrably heinous as to deny it a place in the article. - Fayenatic (talk) 20:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Too many again (2010)
I propose to revert to those stated above. "Believe into" is not an English construction so I don't understand why the Recovery Version is included because of those words. - Fayenatic (talk) 22:32, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Flabbergasted
How can this possibly be read in isolation from 16-18? The title should be changed and the article should be expanded. Treating 3:16 as separate from the rest of the passage is absurd. Viriditas (talk) 05:18, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I can understand how you can feel this way, but that does not take away from the fact that in terms of public consumption, John 3:16 is often cited singularly. Ubiquitous are signs/notes with "John 3:16" on them.  I don't think I've ever seen a sign/note saying "John 3:16-18."  The Bible is all about context, so no verse stands on its own, but John 3:16 is often used as a encapsulated message that sums up the Gospel succinctly, and accurately, if maybe a bit simplistically. I would recommend that if you can find some published articles from respected sources online about how John 3:16 should be viewed in the larger context of John 3:16-18 that you should expand on the context section at the beginning of the article.  However, we have to be careful, as this is somewhat of a slippery slope.  Once could argue that the context should be larger than even John 3:16-18, and it could grow and grow until it takes up the whole chapter, book, new testament, and Bible.  I personally feel that the whole chapter (especially 3:5) are important to understanding what Jesus REALLY means by what he says in 3:16, but that goes back to basic principles of exegesis, and speaks more to taking ANY verse out of context.  Adam Weeden  13:07, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right, of course. While trying to think out of the box, I believe my brain may have slightly fallen out as well on that one.  Can you tell me when this whole "John 3:16" thing began?  My knowledge of Christian history is pretty weak.  The article alludes to something about a John Chrysostom.  Is he responsible for popularizing it?  At what point did Christians begin using the term "John 3:16" to represent their faith?  Also, is the objection by David Pawson significant, and if so, can we summarize it in the article?  Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 13:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand why there is a page on just 3:16, but since if there is a "Context" section, that section should at least be accurate. The current thing given as the "Context" here has nothing at all to do with John's point here (especially in reference to John's over-arching purpose in his Gospel). There are other places where John says that the only path to eternal life, but that is not what 3:16 refers to. The focus is on the "whosoever" (Jew OR Greek). The passage as a whole is clearly a critique of how the Jewish leaders had rejected Christ because he exposed their evil, and those Jewish leaders have "already been condemned" (John writing after the Temple having been destroyed in AD 70). Hence now anyone (Jew or Greek) can enter the Kingdom of God through being born again. And for this reason, Jesus must be "lifted up" so "everyone who believes" can receive the spirit (John 3:15), this is the effect Jesus describes elsewhere with the same language (If I am "lifted up" I will draw "all men" to myself) (John 12:32) and similarly Jesus gives the spirit because he "will be given all things" (John 16:15). Remember, John wrote to the Greeks about how God's grace is now available to everyone since the Jews rejected Christ, and it is that availability that is the focus in John 3:15 (for which John 3:16 is the explanation). I would like to edit the "context" section to correct this.68.57.75.246 (talk) 02:33, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Sports and John 3:16
Why is this particular verse of the bible referenced so frequently in sports and popular culture? 98.112.63.4 (talk) 05:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Jay

Yes! Also I am not American and I can't get the right meaning. It caught my attention on the film Jerry Maguire, it's placed in the american-football stadium when Rod hangs and pretend to walk in the air. Thanks! GastonSenac (talk) 04:27, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I think because it IS so well-known, and it does present a simple summary of the "good news" of the gospel. It's truly good news for anybody who's tried to please God through their acts and fallen short many times. That's the emphasis of the "whosoever." Fool4jesus (talk) 15:03, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

New source on John 3:16 regarding who "only begotten Son" is
The Nag Hammadi Library has several gnostic texts which indicate the Holy Spirit is the Son, not Jesus:

The Teachings of Silvanus (115:15): "For all dwell in God, that is, the things which have come into being through the Word WHO IS THE SON as the image of the Father."

and

The Apocryphon of John:

"And he looked at Barbelo with the pure light which surrounds the invisible Spirit, and (with) his spark, and she conceived from him. He begot a spark of light with a light resembling blessedness. But it does not equal his greatness. This was an only-begotten child of the Mother-Father which had come forth; it is the only offspring, the only-begotten one of the Father, the pure Light."

Sant Mat (The Teachings of the Saints) is the modern equivalent of gnostic teaching, and unequivocally states that the "Word" or Spirit is the Son--NOT Jesus. There are many saviors (Masters) throughout the history of Creation. The world is, in fact, never without at least one (see RSSB.org for many sources, some authored by Masters themselves). Sahansdal (talk) 21:54, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Chill dude, and read John 1 sometime. That first text (ToSilv.) is nothing unusual and does not state the Spirit is Jesus, but that the Word is Jesus (again, Read John 1). The later ones don't even appear to have anything to do with what you're saying. In fact, the latter of these texts may not even have anything to do with Christianity: it may just be a gnostic-Jewish text, which was common enough that John 1 draws upon the lingo from those ideologies (though somewhat altering the meanings in the terms, then jumping from that into the Christian gospel). There was established religious and ideological in-speak throughout religious communities even back then, (of course), including with the use of logoi (word), with variant conceptions and paradigms depending on communities, locale, heritage, etc.. tooMuchData 22:42, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

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Original Greek?
This article several times mentions or references the "original greek" text. Is it referring to the Textus Receptus? My understanding is that there is no definitive Greek text, but multiple variant versions, divided into the Alexandrian text-type, the Byzantine text-type and the Western text-type. Shouldn't the article reflect this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editor2020 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 9 October 2011
 * Yes, as the discussion (above) refers to at least one difference between the texts for this verse. Hoping that someone with access to the texts will do so. – Fayenatic (talk) 12:50, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Comparison with Mark's Gospel
Verses 16 and 18 in John Chapter 3 taken together form a couplet that is logically equivalent to Verse 16 in Mark Chapter 16. Mark 16:16 is a compound sentence constructed essentially like a mathematical if and only if statement. The first statement tells us that one is saved if they believe and are baptized, the second statement in the compound says that one is lost if one does not believe. Given the two thoughts are so linked together it is hard to avoid the conclusion the author tells us baptism is a nice performance communication of the decision the person makes that wins salvation, but it is the decision - the belief - alone that actually secures salvation. Dhrosier (talk) 21:35, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

 * Thanks, but (as stated at the top) this page is for discussing improvements to the article, not a general forum. There's no scope to add personal interpretaions of scripture -- take a look at WP:PRIMARY; in an encyclopedia we need interpretations to be cited from recognised commentaries. – Fayenatic (talk) 14:41, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

C
What are these C numbers? there is no reference given. is this a standard code in bible study. if so, it needs explanation. Wikipedia is not a site for bible scholars to use to write essays for each other.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:38, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, you mean in the table of translations, in the column headed "Century & distinctive features". It's meant to be century. Perhaps linking them, e.g. C20, would help to make this clearer. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:48, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Cleopatra's Needle
Per instructions in the section on popular culture, this is to seek consensus on adding a note that "a copy of John 3:16 in 215 languages is in the time capsule under Cleopatra's Needle in London." Samw (talk) 18:55, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The backstory, recorded at by Jerry Vines, seems notable to me. I'd use this in the introduction rather than under popular culture, but leave the details as a quotation in the citation footnote:
 * is another good source, already used in the article on the monument, but Vines' chapter also backs up other quotes e.g. Luther's "the Bible in miniature" which I propose should be added. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:39, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * is another good source, already used in the article on the monument, but Vines' chapter also backs up other quotes e.g. Luther's "the Bible in miniature" which I propose should be added. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:39, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Popular Culture
Why are parodies of this verse being excluded from this article? Is the internet, and, by proxy, Wikipedia, not made to be a hub of information connected to various ambiguations of any possible subject, no matter how "trivial" (a purely subjective criterion, by the way, for the free encyclopedia curators out there). For this reason, and considering the cultural impact and commercial success of the brands of World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. and "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, please reinstate all deleted content referencing John 3:16 in pop culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:2CB:7200:5CAD:1932:3D03:3114 (talk) 14:05, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That example was on this page for several years, e.g., and I found it acceptable, but removed it  with the justification Removed unsourced and OR; Wikipedia talk:Verifiability/Archive 63. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:57, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

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Copyedit for GOCE
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Lutheran Bible New Testament
Bible verses New text to Matthew 2603:6000:9744:8B00:197E:A65F:CC65:650 (talk) 07:59, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

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Atlantic and Mexican Gulf Canal Company

The Atlantic and Mexican Gulf Canal Company was a canal project approved February 23, 1876 and owned by Joseph E. Johnston, General Lafayette McLaws and Joseph Shepard of Georgia, and others. The purpose was constructing a canal from the St. Marys river in Georgia, across the Okeefinokee Swamp, and thence westward by the most direct and practicable route, as the company may determine, to connect with the waters of the Gulf of Mexico on the coast of Florida, for the purpose of transporting from the Atlantic to the Gulf along the route indicated, and to market on either side, the timber, lumber and other products of the country, and other commercial products as may be offered, and the convenience of the route may determine of may attract to it.

American politician, journalist and industrialist Duff Green also worked with the Gulf Canal Company, hoping to connect the Savannah River with St. Marys and Suwannee Rivers to the Gulf of Mexico.

Florida state law chapter 3500, approved March 1, 1883, gave the company, together with George F. Drew, Jesse J. Finley and George Rainsford Fairbanks of Florida and James S. Bailey of Georgia authority to build the canal in Florida and to extend it along the Gulf coast as far as the western limits of the State, and to connect with any water way which would communicate with Mobile or New Orleans. The company was promised land grants along its line, provided it selected the route within one year, ten miles were finished within two years, and the canal was completed within ten years.

Florida state law chapter 3647, approved February 16, 1885, amended the list of owners to remove George R. Fairbanks and James S. Bailey and add S. A. Swann of Florida and S. L. Burns, Alex Curtis and William Rogers of Savannah, Georgia. Time limits were extended to three years, four years, and ten years.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Middle Class (band)

Middle Class (band)
Middle Class (band) was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete.

An extreamly influential band with only one single. Was speedy deleted before, has a bit more content now but i would still delete it -- Chris 73 Talk 15:32, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

 * They are notable and influential, and we should have an article on them, but I don't really care if this is deleted. Weak keepTuf-Kat 15:42, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * The first and only (Orange County, California) outfit to gain acceptance in Hollywood Punk circles was Santa Ana's Middle Class, with frontman Mike Patton (not the Faith No More/Mr. Bungle singer). Middle Class probably put out the first (hardcore punk) single, "Out Of Vogue -- from Steven Blush's American Hardcore, full citation at the bottom of music of California, which links to this article. Tuf-Kat
 * Delete --Gtabary 15:47, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. It is a shame that the information about this "extremely influential" band has been "lost to history", but it needs to be found, or else a verifiable article cannot be made.  --L33tminion | (talk) 16:41, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete -- not really influential. A minor band tangential to an extermely influential scene. -- GWO
 * Delete. Jayjg 19:35, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Probably worthy of discussion, but only within the master topic. I know something about the Athens scene.  There were bands that only did a single (e.g. The Fans and Vietnam) who were extremely influential, and it's accurate to say that the scene might not have happened without them, but they would better be discussed at an Athens scene article, if one were to exist.  (For those who don't know, the Athens scene gave the world B-52s, Pylon, REM, Drivin' and Cryin', and, sort of, Indigo Girls).  Geogre 20:51, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep There's quite a bit of information on this band, and they're extremely important. The "Out of Vogue" EP was the first hardcore record (Steve Blush, cited above, is a bad source, but right in this case), and one of several the band released.  Auto movil 02:34, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Băilești

Băilești is a city in Dolj County, Oltenia, Romania, with a population of 15,928 in 2021. One village, Balasan, is administered by the city.

Geography
The city lies in the western part of the Wallachian Plain, on the banks of the Balasan River, which flows into the Danube some 20 km to the south. Băilești is located in the southern half of Dolj County, 57 km southwest of the county seat, Craiova and 32 km northeast of Calafat, a port city on the Danube.

History
The first documentary attestation of the town dates from January 4, 1536, during the reign of Prince Radu Paisie; the document recalls that the town existed since the time of Voivode Mircea the Elder.

During World War I, 156 people from Băilești died on the battlefield; in 1924 sculptor Ioan Iordănescu constructed the Monument of the Băilești Heroes in their honor. During World War II, 108 citizens of Băilești died on the battlefield.

In 2001, Băilești was declared a municipality. The city has been expanding during the past few years; several commercial centers have been built, while banks and old buildings have been restored.

Natives

 * Ștefan Baiaram (born 2002), footballer
 * Augustin Botescu, football manager
 * Georgiana Ciuciulete (born 1987), handballer
 * Valerică Găman (born 1989), footballer
 * Marcel Iureș (born 1951), stage and film actor
 * Florea Martinovici (1940–2011), footballer
 * Adriana Nechita (born 1983), handballer
 * Amza Pellea (1931–1983), actor
 * Joseph Schubert (1889–1952), Canadian politician
 * Simona Staicu (born 1971), long-distance and marathon runner

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Police impression of the Monkey-man of Delhi. Source: Ananova

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User:WTGDMan1986

My username "WTGDMan1986" comes from the comic series I created, When They Got Distracted, which debuted in 1994. Unfortunately, nobody got to see what I had created, followed by the usual, and the year of my birth.

Retail

 * Pacific Sunwear

Actors/reality stars/show creators

 * Breanna Conrad
 * Liz Gateley
 * Chelsea Hobbs
 * Jacqui Maxwell
 * Alexis Thorpe
 * Stuart Lafferty

Serial murderers

 * Dwayne Morrison (redirects to Duane R. Morrison)
 * Brian Rooney

Video games

 * The Second Samurai
 * Thrill Drive
 * Thrill Drive 3
 * Rough Racer

Given names

 * Amariah (given name)

Pages I thought about creating, but didn't bother/undecided...
NOTE: This section may contain ghost links (highlighted in red), so don't freak out if you see any on this section.

Actors

 * Vincent Kartheiser
 * Elisabeth Harnois
 * Lorissa McComas
 * Chace Crawford
 * Lindsay Hollister
 * Sebastian Stan
 * Aili Storen

Singers/Band members

 * Alex Varkatzas
 * Brandon Saller
 * Brett Hestla
 * Marti Dodson

Fictional characters

 * Amanda Young

A little about myself (Part 1)
Education status: In college

Hobby: Stock markets, storytelling, story writing, cars, screenwriting, Wikipedia

Likes: arcade games, cars, movies, actors, actresses, scenery, atmosphere, scenery, polite people

Dislikes: People with bad attitudes, violence, serial killers, villains (especially serial killers on TV and soap operas, as well as characters who start fistfights), Wikipedia vandalism, spam.

I would like to become a Wikipedia administrator since I HATE vandalism, libel, and slander like villains. They all need to be taught a lesson. If I become one, I'll tell you which portions of a page are worthy and un-note worthy. I will also try my best to block vandalism, as I have done in my 2nd year. To date, I have busted 5 vandals and plan on defeating a few more.

Retired Works:

When They Got Distracted (1994 (comics), 1995 (word processing documents)-2009) Alexis... series (2003-2007)

R.A.C.E.R.41 series (2004-2009)

Supercar series (2009-2012)

Insert Coin series (2010)

Time Tryst series (2011-2012)

The DFW Diaries series (2013-2015)

Current Works:

#25 series (2015-present) - When They Got Distracted, Insert Coin, Alexis Hurst and The DFW Diaries series combined, and for the first time since 2003, a female teenager is the main character

Misc. Talents: Screenwriting

Admin nominations
Remember: 0/3/1 (2nd request possible) Flyer22: ?/?/? (watching RFA for updates)

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Fritz Fischer

Fritz Fischer may refer to:

 * Fritz Fischer (historian) (1908–1999), German historian
 * Fritz Fischer (medical doctor) (1912–2003), Waffen-SS doctor
 * Fritz Fischer (biathlete) (born 1956), German biathlete
 * Fritz Fischer (physicist) (1898–1947), Swiss physicist

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Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Malcolm Farmer

Malcolm Farmer
final (15/0/0) ending 16:00, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I am extremely pleased to be able to nominate Malcolm Farmer for adminship. He is among the first of the Wikipedians, having made his first edit in March 2001; there are only five still-active Wikipedians who have been here longer. He has made over 2000 edits. He has stayed involved and is still reverting vandalism without the benefit of a rollback button. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 15:42, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

''While Malcolm has already indicated his acceptance of the nomination on my talk page, I will ask him to do so here as well. --The Uninvited Co., Inc.''

Yes, I'm OK with being nominated. Malcolm Farmer

Support

 * 1) The Uninvited Co., Inc. 15:42, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) Support.  Anyone who's put up with vandalism for so long deserves a medal to go with the sysop privileges! - Lucky 6.9 01:49, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 3) An impressively consistent trickle of good edits, which adds up to lots of work when you've been around as longs as Malcolm Farmer. Support. --fvw * † 03:18, 2004 Dec 2 (UTC)
 * 4) Impressive! Enthusiastically support. Everyking 06:37, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 5) ! Tuf-Kat 06:43, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)
 * 6) Support Duk 11:52, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 7) Someone who's been around this long is likely to still have the original goals of Wikipedia in sight. Also, a good user. Support. Andre ( talk )A|  21:17, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)
 * 8) -- Grunt 🇪🇺 01:29, 2004 Dec 3 (UTC)
 * 9) Cribcage 06:41, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 10) Support. 172 18:51, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 11) Lst27 ( t a l k )  02:12, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 12) Wow, I didn't know that he had been around for this long. --Slowking Man 03:02, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * 13) Rje 05:48, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 14) Support.  Would like to see this user be a touch more active, but see no reason whatsoever not to award adminship. Pedant 01:16, 2004 Dec 7 (UTC)
 * 15) Around since March 2001? Now that's impressive context. Support. Fire Star 06:25, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Comments
 * For the record, 2577 edits as of now. Shane King 23:24, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters: I've been asked to answer the generic questions for wouldbe admins. So:
 * 1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? (Please read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.)

 * A. Basically, reverting vandalised pages. Being logged in today when a whole bunch of kids were vandalising pages faster than I could revert them was the last straw...

 * 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?

 * A. The historical Anniversaries: The early edits record is lost in the mists of time, but I actually started those pages, with about three random events from history. The anniversaries pages have been through multiple changes from others contributions since then: it's good to see how they caught on. (Though it's inevitable that sooner or later someone would have started it)

 * Currently, I'm scanning caricatures from Punch to add to the pages of various Victorian worthies. This will be a slow process, as some of them will require creating an accompanying article. But the cartoons are gorgeous and deserve to be given a wide distribution.

 * And the articles on Marvelman and Inoculation simply because so much of what I initially wrote has survived subsequent edits.

 * 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and will deal with it in the future?

 * A. None, really. Someone disputed a comment I'd made that the Scientology page presented a rather rosy view, as if there was no dispute about any of the facts as presented by the Scientologists, but that was very minor, and way back in 2001. There have been far bigger disputes since then on that subject.
 * I generally stay away from controversial subjects as I don't think I know enough about them. Malcolm Farmer


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Hopkins L. Turney

Hopkins Lacy Turney (October 3, 1797 – August 1, 1857) was a Democratic U.S. Representative and United States Senator from Tennessee.

Biography
Turney was born in the Smith County settlement of Dixon Springs, Tennessee. As a youth, he was apprenticed to a tailor. He served in the Seminole War in 1818. Subsequent to this he studied law, and passed the bar examination and began a practice in Jasper, Tennessee. Later he moved to Winchester, Tennessee, continuing the practice of law. He owned slaves. He was first elected to the Tennessee House of Representatives in 1828.

He married Teresa Francis, the daughter of Miller Francis and Hannah Henry, in 1826. She was born December 9, 1809, and died September 5, 1879. Hopkins and Teresa were the parents of nine children.

Their son Peter Turney (September 22, 1827 – October 19, 1903) was Chief Justice of the Tennessee Supreme Court from 1870 to 1893; and served as governor of the U.S. state of Tennessee from 1893 to 1897.

He was then elected to the U.S. House, serving three terms in that body from 1837 to 1843, the 25th through 27th Congresses. Subsequent to this he was elected by the Tennessee General Assembly to the U.S. Senate, returning to Washington, D.C., after a two-year hiatus and serving one six-year term in that body, where he was chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Retrenchment for four years and the U.S. Senate Committee on Patents and the Patent Office for two before returning to his law practice, which he engaged in until shortly before his death. He is buried in Winchester.

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Július Satinský

Július Satinský (20 August 1941 in Bratislava – 29 December 2002 in Bratislava) was a Slovak actor, comedian, singer, showman and writer. He is mostly remembered in Slovakia as a member of the legendary comedian duo Milan Lasica - Július Satinský, however his scope of interest was wide. He died on 29 December 2002 due to colon cancer.

Asteroid 15946 Satinský is named after him.

Life
He studied drama theory at the Academy of Performing Arts in Bratislava (VŠMU). He started his acting career alongside Milan Lasica in 1959, with whom he formed a comic duo. They performed in the Divadlo na Korze theatre (presently Astorka Korzo 90´) until the late 1960s.

After 1968 (see Prague Spring, Normalization (Czechoslovakia)), the duo was partly banned from working in the Slovak part of Czechoslovakia and performed for two years in a cabaret in the Czech city of Brno. Between 1972 and 1978, Satinský was a member of the musical ensemble of the Nová scéna theatre and between 1978 and 1980 he was a member of the drama company of this theatre and of the Korzo 90 theatre in Bratislava.

When they were allowed to appear on stage again in 1982, they moved to the newly established Štúdio S theatre, of which Lasica was director.

Satinský was not only known as an actor and comedian but also as a radio and TV host, a lecturer who travelled around Slovakia to discuss questions about democracy and civil society and as an author of memoirs about his childhood and student years in Bratislava as well as of feuilletons. Along with Milan Lasica he sang on several music albums, the most successful being Bolo nás jedenásť (There used to be eleven of us) with music by Jaroslav Filip.

On 2 January 2002, he received the state award Pribina Cross of the First Class for his lifetime contribution to Slovak art and support for civil society.

Major works
Sketches:
 * Večery pre dvoch (Evenings for two)
 * Soirée
 * Ktosi je za dverami (Somebody is behind the door)

Films:
 * S tebou mě baví svět [a film in Czech] (I enjoy the world with you)
 * Vesničko má středisková [a film in Czech] (My Sweet Little Village)
 * Utekajme, už ide [a film in Slovak] (Let's run, he is coming)

Humorous feuilletons:
 * Moji milí Slováci (My dear Slovaks, 1992)

Dramatic works:
 * Náš priateľ René [co-author Milan Lasica] (Our friend René)
 * Deň Radosti [co-author Milan Lasica] (A Day of fun)

Prose:
 * Nečakanie na Godota [co-author Milan Lasica] (Not waiting for Godot)
 * Čučoriedkáreň (Blueberries factory)
 * Rozprávky Uja Klobásu (Stories of Mr. Sausage)

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Scandinavism

Scandinavism (skandinavisme; skandinavisme; skandinavism), also called Scandinavianism or pan-Scandinavianism, is an ideology that supports various degrees of cooperation among the Scandinavian countries. Scandinavism comprises the literary, linguistic and cultural movement that focuses on promoting a shared Scandinavian past, a shared cultural heritage, a common Scandinavian mythology and a common language or dialect continuum (from the common ancestor language of Old Norse) and which led to the formation of joint periodicals and societies in support of Scandinavian literature and languages. The movement was most popular among Danes and Swedes. Nordism expands the scope to include Iceland and Finland.

History
According to historian Sverre Bagge, prior to the formation of state-like kingdoms in Scandinavia, "Scandinavia was culturally and linguistically homogeneous. Even in the thirteenth century the term ‘Danish tongue’ was used for the language throughout the area. There were different dialects, but the lines of division between them did not correspond to the later national borders. Religion and customs were also similar, during the pagan as well as the Christian periods. Thus, no cultural or linguistic distinctions prevented unification of each country. Nor, on the other hand, did such distinctions give rise to natural borders between the kingdoms that eventually emerged."Pan-Scandinavianism as a modern movement originated in the 19th century, but the movement had already begun spreading a century earlier in circles of literature and science. The Pan-Scandinavian movement paralleled the unification movements of Germany and Italy. As opposed to the German and Italian counterparts, the Scandinavian state-building project was not successful and is no longer pursued. It was at its height in the mid-19th century and supported the idea of Scandinavian unity.

The movement was initiated by Danish and Swedish university students in the 1840s, with a base in Scania. In the beginning, the political establishments in the two countries, including the absolute monarch Christian VIII and Charles XIV John with his "one man government", were suspicious of the movement. The movement was a significant force from 1846 to 1864, however the movement eventually dwindled and only had strong support among the Swedish-speaking population of Finland.

The collapse of Pan-Scandinavianism came in 1864 when the Second Schleswig-Holstein War broke out. King Karl XV of Sweden (who was also King Karl IV of Norway), who reigned from 1859 until his death in 1872, in spite of championing Pan-Scandinivianism, failed to help Denmark in the war.

Author Hans Christian Andersen became an adherent of Scandinavism after a visit to Sweden in 1837, and committed himself to writing a poem that would convey the relatedness of Swedes, Danes and Norwegians. It was in July 1839, during a visit to the island of Funen in Denmark, that Andersen first wrote the text of his poem, Jeg er en Skandinav ("I am a Scandinavian"). Andersen composed the poem to capture "the beauty of the Nordic spirit, the way the three sister nations have gradually grown together", as part of a Scandinavian national anthem. Composer Otto Lindblad set the poem to music, and the composition was published in January 1840. Its popularity peaked in 1845, after which it was seldom sung.

In 1923, the Clara Lachmann Foundation was established with the goal of promoting Scandinavian unity through culture.

In literature
The Sherlock Holmes story "A Scandal in Bohemia" mentions a fictional King of Scandinavia whose daughter is about to marry the (also fictional) King of Bohemia, a major protagonist in the story.

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Foch (disambiguation)

Foch may refer to:

People with the surname Foch

 * Ferdinand Foch (1851–1929), Marshal of France and Allied Supreme Commander in World War I
 * Nina Foch (1924–2008), Dutch actress

Other uses

 * French cruiser Foch, a ship (cruiser) of the French Navy, which was launched 1929 and sunk 1942
 * Foch (R 99), a ship (aircraft carrier) of the French Navy, launched 1960 and sold to Brazil 2000
 * Avenue Foch, the widest street in Paris
 * Foch, West Virginia, an unincorporated area in the United States of America
 * Île Foch, an island in the Kerguelen archipelago
 * Foch Line, a proposed line of demarcation between Poland and Lithuania after World War I
 * Marechal Foch (grape), a red wine grape variety
 * Mount Foch, a mountain on the Continental Divide in Canada
 * AMX-50 Foch, a long range support variant of the AMX-50 tank

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Białystok County

Białystok County (powiat białostocki) is a unit of territorial administration and local government (powiat) in Podlaskie Voivodeship, north-eastern Poland, on the border with Belarus. It was created on 1 January 1999 as a result of the Polish local government reforms passed in 1998. Its administrative seat is the city of Białystok, although the city is not part of the county (it constitutes a separate city county).

The county contains nine towns: Łapy, 25 km south-west of Białystok, Czarna Białostocka, 22 km north of Białystok, Wasilków, 11 km north of Białystok, Choroszcz, 13 km west of Białystok, Supraśl, 16 km north-east of Białystok, Michałowo, 13 km east of Białystok, Zabłudów, 16 km south-east of Białystok, Tykocin, 29 km west of Białystok, and Suraż, 23 km south-west of Białystok.

The county covers an area of 2984.64 km2, making it the largest county in Poland (ahead of Olsztyn County). As of 2019 its total population is 148,745, out of which the population of Łapy is 15,609, that of Czarna Białostocka is 9,318, that of Wasilków is 11,527, that of Choroszcz is 5,890, that of Supraśl is 4,605, that of Michałowo is 3,026, that of Zabłudów is 2,462, that of Tykocin is 1,973, that of Suraż is 988, and the rural population is 93,347.

Neighbouring counties
Apart from the city of Białystok, Białystok County is bordered by Hajnówka County and Bielsk County to the south, Wysokie Mazowieckie County, Zambrów County and Łomża County to the west, Mońki County to the north-west, and Sokółka County to the north-east. It also borders Belarus to the east.

Administrative division

The county is subdivided into 15 gminas (nine urban-rural and six rural). These are listed in the following table, in descending order of population.

Notable residents

 * Konstanty Kalinowski (known in Belarus as Kastuś Kalinoŭski)(1838, Mostowlany – 1864), writer, journalist, lawyer and revolutionary
 * Aliaksei Karpiuk (1920, Straszewo – 1992), Belarusian writer and public figure

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Farnborough, London

Farnborough is a village in south-eastern Greater London, England, and prior to 1965, in the historic county of Kent. Situated south of Locksbottom, west of Green Street Green, north of Downe and Hazelwood, and east of Keston, it is centred 13.4 mi southeast of Charing Cross.

Suburban development following the Second World War resulted in the area becoming contiguous with the conurbation of London. The area has formed part of the London Borough of Bromley local authority district since the formation of the ceremonial county of Greater London for administrative purposes in 1965.

History
The village name derives from Fearnbiorginga, meaning a village among the ferns on the hill. Old records date from 862 when Ethelbert, King of Wessex, gave away 950 acres at Farnborough. The village was not included in the Domesday Book of 1086, but the manor existed in the Middle Ages and was held in the 13th century by Simon de Montfort.

The village evolved on the main road from London to Hastings which originally ran via Church Road and Old Hill (to the south of the village). The George pub existed in the 16th century and was used as a coaching inn. Coaches and horses were accommodated later. In 1639 a severe storm destroyed St Giles' Church –it was later rebuilt.

Farnborough formed a civil parish in the Ruxley hundred of Kent. In 1840 the parish was included in the Metropolitan Police District. It was part of the Bromley rural sanitary district and went on to form part of the Bromley Rural District from 1894 to 1934. The parish was abolished in 1934 as part of a county review order, following the Local Government Act 1929, and its area was split between the Municipal Borough of Bromley (3 acres) and Orpington Urban District (1,426 acres). The entire area has formed part of the London Borough of Bromley in Greater London since 1965. The population of the parish was as follows:

Suburban development occurred in the post-Second World War years, resulting in the former village becoming contiguous with the London conurbation, however Green Belt legislation prevented any further development southwards.

In film
On 1 May 1933, British Pathé released As Befits a Romany Queen. The subject was the funeral of Urania Boswell, wife of Levi Boswell, of Willow Walk, behind Princess Royal University Hospital, on 24 April. She was the last Queen of the Kent (England) Gypsies (Romani People). The film lasts just under two minutes, and follows the cortège into Saint Giles the Abbott Church, where the gravestone may still be found, very near to the war memorial.

Rail
The nearest National Rail station to Farnborough is Orpington, located 1.7 miles away.

Buses
Farnborough is served by two London Buses routes.
 * 358 to Crystal Palace via Bromley, Elmers End, Beckenham & Penge or to Orpington.
 * R4 to Locksbottom or to Paul’s Cray Hill via Orpington & St Mary Cray.

Notable residents

 * Steve Bennett (b. 1961) - football referee, born in Farnborough
 * Urania Boswell, aka 'Gypsy Lee' (d.1933) - local woman known as the Queen of the Kent gypsies
 * Chris Cowdrey (b. 1957) - cricketer, born in Farnborough
 * Nigel Farage (b. 1964) - politician, born in Farnborough
 * James Hanratty (1936-1962) - murderer
 * Ben Wallace (b. 1970) - Conservative politician, born in Farnborough

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Langkampfen

Langkampfen is a municipality in the Austrian state of Tyrol between Kufstein (8 km southwest below) and Wörgl (8 km north above). The name comes from the Latin Longus campus, which means the long field.

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Talk:1926 Canadian federal election

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I noticed an anomaly in the data and re-checked my spreadsheet. It seems that I had not added the Nova Scotia numbers into the total. this has now been corrected. My apologies. Kevintoronto 15:51, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Why is it that the external link listed, as well as http://www.prime-ministers.ca/king/bio_5.php and most other written sources claim that the Liberals won 128 seats in the 1926 election, when here they are only given a minority? Kndimov (talk) 22:23, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

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