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Talk:Eric Margolis (journalist)

Education
Does anyone know what Margolis' education is? Although the wiki articles lists that he holds several degrees from different universities, it does not mention what those degrees are in, and what level he completed i.e. Bachelors, Masters, PhD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.1.61.131 (talk) 02:52, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Paleoconservative
Is Eric Margolis a genuine paleoconservative? True paleoconservatives tend to have isolationist foreign policy perspectives, while Eric Margolis does not - he fervently supported the Kosovo War for example. I'd think of him as a moderate Republican who despises neoconservatism purely due to his pro-Muslim sympathies. GCarty 11:53, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

He's also part Albanian hence his support for the Kosovo War. User: 14:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The article makes two strong points for him being a paleoconservative: he identifies closely with Dwight Eisenhower, and he writes for Pat Buchanan's magazine. I don't think we should change the article without a good reason, e.g. Margolis himself denying that he's a paleoconservative. - Mcasey666 01:52, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Aside from being printed Pat Buchanan's magazine (for the single reason - Eric Margolis is critical of current Bush administration policy in the Middle East), what else identifies him as paleoconservative ? He is a Canadian who never criticized Canada's policy of multiculturalism, social liberalism or open immigration policy. He never advocated social conservatism. His anti-communism or strong support for capitalism is no different from attitudes of such Democratic party supporters as Zbigniew Brzezinski, his views on foreign policy (aside from the Middle East) and other issues are more close to Brzezinski or Wesley Clark than Pat Buchanan. Fisenko 16:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The answer to the question is that he is neither paleoconservative isolationist nor neoconservative interventionist but one who favours any policy that is advantageous to Muslim peoples of any region of the globe. This couldn't be more obvious if you would just read several columns of his. Wikipedia should find out if his Albanian mother is Muslim, and if she is, it should definitely be noted.

 * What brought me to this discussion was his "article" on palluxo.com website, a site dedicated to spreading hatred against Serbs. I'll definitely call CBC and other publications in which he writes under to notify them of his biased views. Now I'm wondering if people have any sources that actually identify his bias?. If so, it would help ruin his "writing" career by putting that in the article. This guy is not a writer, he is equivalent to a Nazi propaganda writer who doesnt care if people are suffering in other countries because of his writing.Rex Dominator (talk) 14:32, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

i wonder if these users would apply these standards when it's coming to people with other background/other views.--Severino (talk) 12:30, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Is Margolis still with the Sun, or not? Need reliable source
I'm sorry, but I still feel we need a reliable source of Margolis being dumped by the Sun. We have 2 blogs, Anti-war and SunFamily. Both are under editorial control, but when we are dealing with biographies of live persons we need more. For example, a column by margolis appeared today. Yes, I know it may have been written before his being let go. I'm still putting a "citation needed" tag until we have something besides blogs. BashBrannigan (talk) 16:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

 * This is verified by reliable sources. As I said, some blogs are taken as reliable on en.WP. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:39, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I disagree, but I won't get into an edit war with you on this. Personally, I will still look for a source other than a blog. BashBrannigan (talk) 16:42, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

 * More will show up. As I said, some blogs can be taken as reliable: It's not the "medium," it's the source and its editorial reliability which have sway. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:47, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I still strongly disagree. i suspect myself that this story is correct. However, you are still wrong here. Wikipedia should have higher standards. Once a reliable news organization picks this up, then we can use it. When we are dealing with bios of live persons we should have higher standards. This is an encycopedia NOT a news source. On the basis of principal, you are jumping on this too quickly. BashBrannigan (talk) 16:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If you think the story is correct, it seems to me that removing a reliable source and mistakenly calling it unreliable because it's from something called a "blog," might be straying into WP:Point. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:01, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

You think the story is correct. I think the story is correct. Neither is relevant. It's what can be reliably proven. Blogs, regardless of "editorial control" are not reliable. Established media have their reputations to worry about, and editors have their jobs to worry about. Blogs come and go. Fact is, if the Margolis email to SunFamily turned out to be a fake, no one at the blog would be fired! BashBrannigan (talk) 17:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Some blogs are quite reliable, as I've already said. Moreover, your thoughts as to what would happen as to any misreporting are your own original research. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:11, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That last comment isn't worthy of a response. OR? Gimme a break? I will no longer debate with you. BashBrannigan (talk) 17:15, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:19, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

"The lives of millions of Western civilians and soldiers would have been spared."
There is no need to point out that Western civilians, or soldiers, didn't die by the milions at WWII...

 * Europe, and Germany, is considered part of the "western" world. BashBrannigan (talk) 06:13, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * To most of us, yes, but Margolis' entire notion of having Nazi Germany and Joe Stalin's Soviet Union exhaust one another would seem to indicate that Margolis himself (who is an idiot) does not include Germany as being part of his "west" (which, presumably, is pretty much just the United States and United Kingdom).--172.129.106.118 (talk) 20:13, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

911 conspiracy theorist?
The 9/11 section makes it sound as if Margolis is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, saying "Margolis has argued that the American government may have been behind the 9/11 attacks." None of his articles actually state this. The only one cited which attacks Margolis as a conspiracy theorist is by Jonathan Kay, a noted conservative and often defender of US foreign policy.However, others have suggested Kay is in the wrong while Margolis simply "calmly laid out some facts and asked some questions about 9/11.". The wiki article suggests Margolis repeats "the theory that 9/11 was "staged by Israel’s Mossad and a cabal of right-wing US Air Force generals.” However, in his own article, which is cited in the wiki article, Margolis doesn't endorse this theory but simply states "one of the most colorful theories comes from Gen. Hamid Gul, former director of Pakistan’s intelligence agency, ISI." Further, in that article he lays out what he views as inconsistencies, unanswered questions and anomalies; he does believe that the anthrax attacks and Bin Laden to have been faked but defends this by alluding to proven historical instances of similar frauds by the American and other governments. Further, Margolis says he met Bin Laden and, to him, those on the tapes are not him. However, no where does he give any indication that he believes 9/11 to be an inside job, which is the staple of conspiracy theorists. In fact he clearly states "I’ve seen no hard evidence to date that 9/11 was a plot by America’s far right or by Israel or a giant cover-up." Rather, he agrees with the official story that "of the 19 hijackers, 15 were Saudis, two from the United Arab Emirates, one an Egyptian and a Lebanese," but, unlike those who claim their acts were the result of religion or a hatred of US values, to him the aim of these hijackers "was: a. to punish the US for backing Israel’s repression of Palestinians; and b. what they called US “occupation” of Saudi Arabia. Though they were all Muslims, religion was not the motivating factor." This is no different a position held by many mainstream analysts, like Michael Scheuer, and shown by numerous polls of the Middle East, as done by Pew, for instance. Despite laying out what he sees as inconsistencies and anomalies, he concedes 9/11 may represent "the Mother of All Coincidences. In the end, it may just have been 19 angry Arabs and a bumbling Bush administration looking for someone else to blame." Apparently to many, any deviation from the standard version, any questioning of the official story, any attention to the inconsistencies and anomalies of the accepted narrative, any suggestion that the US government may have invented evidence despite it having been done before (such as the incubator babies story from the first Gulf War) or that it let 911 happen is labeled a conspiracy theory. Just as any claim that 9/11 was blow back for US foreign policy, no matter all the evidence in its defence, is misconstrued as anti Americanism, hating freedom or as saying the US deserved it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.96.30 (talk) 01:31, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The title on Margolis' own website for the article is "The Mother of all Coincidences" . That's pretty clear what his view is. BashBrannigan (talk) 04:02, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

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Wales
I know that the Welsh do play, but is it really popular there; more popular than in Scotland? ¶ ɳȉčḩåḽṗ | [[User talk:nichalp| ✉ ]] 19:35, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

Category:Jewish terrorist organizations
Please reconsider your vote on Category:Jewish terrorist organizations in Categories for deletion in light of recent comments. 172 12:48, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hitler
In a way yes. Independance movement leaders such as Netaji Subashchandra Bose met Hitler and allied his party with the axis in a bid to drive out the British. He based his principle on 'an enemy's enemy is a friend' He declared a free state of India was was promptly recognised by the Axis. In another plane, many right-wing organisations such as the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, VHP, Shiv Sena support the Nazi idealogy and openly propogate their ideals based on Nazism. In the state of Gujarat, the hardline right-wing government has not criticised Hitler at all; mitigating his ills in school history text-books, to elevate him as a Robin Hood. ¶ ɳȉčḩåḽṗ | [[User talk:nichalp| ✉ ]] 20:24, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)

 * This does not mean that the Indian government or the people idolise Hitler or Nazism. Only the extreme-right wing groups. [PS. Continue discussions in Dec] ¶ ɳȉčḩåḽṗ | [[User talk:nichalp| ✉ ]] 18:05, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)

About Japan and Hitler -- It is not true. I live in Tokyo, and have studied Japan's Foreign Policy and History for some 16 years now. Granted, Hitler is not seen as the Devil Himself in Japan, but that is more because there was no direct effect on Japan (i.e. no Jewish Community or Holocaust Survivors group to remind society of his evil). Japanese would rather forget about the war and that portion of history-- they have moved on. If any memories remain, they center on Japan's atrocities in China, and/or the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.Davejenk1ns 03:22, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

BCE?
Jongarrettuk hi. I noticed you have been (among other changes) changing BCE to BC and CE to AD in various pages. Now, I don't particularly like BCE and CE (I think there are confusing neologisms), but I thought they are actually the standard style here. Has anything changed lately? Gady 22:38, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * You are mistaken. As noted on Manual of Style (dates and numbers), either form is permissible as long as each article is consistent in itself. The edits you spotted were to restore consistency in accordance with Wikipedia policy. jguk 19:10, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Adding Buddha, Jesus, etc. to Muhammad page
Dear Jon,

I don't understand why you felt that it added anything to the Muhammad article to add links to Buddha, Jesus, etc. If you create a page called Founders of Religions, or a category, then you can add that to the Muhammad page and all is fine. But if you insert links to all other founders in every founder page, either you're going to have to do EVERYONE (and swamp the pages with links) or you're going to have to pick and choose who's most important, which is POV.

I'll wait for your response before I delete any links. Perhaps you can convince me I'm wrong. Zora 12:39, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * OK, I created a page called List of founders of major religions. I'm not at all sure of the wisdom of it, but it's better than adding more clutter to the Muhammad page. And hey, I could be wrong and it could be a useful page. Zora 14:24, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hitler's Suicide
Jon:

A serious question: Do you know of any non-revisionist historians who have questioned the generally-accepted view that Hitler died by suicide on April 30, 1945?

I pose this question now because I have a vague recollection of seeing at least one non-"revisionist history" work on Hitler which questioned the reports of his suicide -- and, as a non-specialist, would prefer to know if there are *any* historians outside of the Irving/Zundel/etc. circles who hold this opinion. Any assistance on your part would be appreciated.

(You may have noticed that my preferred approach to Sam Spade's recent reversions was to "soften" his language (at least until the matter could be resolved), though I suspect your decision to eliminate his comments entirely was probably more appropriate.)

CJCurrie 19:57, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I don't, but then I'm not familiar with which historians have conducted serious research into the matter. I'm quite prepared to accept that there may be a small number of non-revisionist historians have questioned it - indeed, if there is evidence to question the generally-accepted view, it would be foolish not to examine that evidence and see where it leads.

 * My motivation is to have a better worded article consistent with the generally-accepted position. After all, Wikipedia is not a place for original research. However, if a few notable historians (revisionist or otherwise) have questioned the generally-accepted account, I see no reason why we should not make a brief reference to it. But we should not overdo it. Therefore my approach to the wording Sam used is to delete all the 'some people have claimed that' sort of phrases that appeared in far too many sentences and clauses of the description of the generally-accepted case, but to acknowledge that a few have raised doubts at the end. I would have no problem if Sam wished to expand on the views of the historians who question the generally-accepted account in a subsidiary article.jguk 20:24, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your response. I may look further into this matter myself.  CJCurrie 21:07, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

WikiProject_Wikipedia_Namespace
I've created a Wikiproject for cleaning up the Wikipedia namespace, as was suggested on the Vilage Pump. Please add listings of your projects, like the Better writing guide, there, and feel free to change anything you feel like. JesseW 07:57, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

My expansion, clean-up and NPOV template additions
Expansion and cleanup are self explanitory. I add cleanup when articles are not in Wikipedia style, e.g. no links, long long long paragraphs rather than having sections etc. Expansions have been added for the reason that the article is seriously lacking, either because it is (a) a stub, (b) lacking valuable information - usually historicity or non-biblical evidence, or (c) lacking information on Jewish/Islamic views which are often a 1 sentance section. NPOV- usually presented from the point of view of biblical inerrancy, or similar. CheeseDreams 23:18, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I am just going to go through all 53 and re-revert them. Please note that I have been adding the articles to a catagory, not just adding the tags, reverting my edits removes the catagory too. CheeseDreams 23:18, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

ArbCom statement

 * The statement was ruining the continuity of the project page. I didn't think you'd mind if I reformatted it, but if you don't want to I'll respect that. There's no need to be rude, though. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 00:39, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)
 * I didn't think I was, and didn't intend to be, rude. Of course, when typing comments, it is difficult to convey tone. I meant to convey a firm request and a slight irritance (editing others' comments outside the article namespace is, as I'm sure you'll agree, irritating). I meant nothing more by it. If I conveyed anything else, then I apologise for it. jguk 00:48, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Good. No hard feelings, then? [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 00:49, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)
 * No hard feelings at all. jguk 00:53, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Excellent. :) [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 00:55, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

Arbitration Elections
You may remember that I coordinated the previous two elections, for the board, and for the arbitration committee. I am willing to coordinate this election as well, and have asked Elian to assist. However, we would like to have the support of the candidates to do this. Do you support us coordinating the election? My policy is to be entirely neutral, and to ensure this, I will not be voting myself (I didn't vote in previous elections either). All results will be announced following the final count. Please answer on my talk page. Danny 01:07, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse (no pictures) per request Pedant 02:04, 2004 Nov 18 (UTC)
Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse (no pictures) per request Pedant 02:04, 2004 Nov 18 (UTC)

Cheese dreams
If he hasn't been vandalising and only inserting POV statements, then please don't list him on Requests for vandalism. I would suggest taking the matter to WP:RFC or Arbitration. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:06, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Bias
I'd like your opinion at Requests for arbitration. Thanks. Chameleon 12:18, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * As I am currently a candidate to become an Arbitrator, but am currently not an Arbitrator, I feel it would be inappropriate to comment. Sorry. jguk 12:26, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * The problem with not commenting on any of the pending cases, is that you've been here a very short time, and it is difficult to form any insights into how you would conduct yourself on the Arbitration Committee if you refuse to comment on any of its cases.

 * Since you are not on the Arbitration Committee, you can offer your opinion without affecting the fairness of those proceedings.

 * A case that is not so cut-and-dried can reveal a lot about the character of the individuals who are given authority to make decisions about such a case.

 * How about the arbitration case involving Shorne? Do you agree or disagree that his actions warrant blocks or a ban?

 * For example, would you have blocked Shorne from editing communism-related articles for the length of the arbitration proceedings?

 * If the other arbitrators were discussing whether to ban him for a few months, how would you respond?

 * As it stands, your candidate statement is just an abstract collection of words that can be interpreted in any number of ways. A powerful way for you to overcome this abstraction, and the brief period of time that you have been a member of Wikipedia, is to give us real, practical insight into how you will conduct yourself.

 * If you refuse to comment on any of the pending cases, then at a bare minimum, could you take a look at some of the past cases over on the Requests for Arbitration page, and explain if you would have ruled in the same manner or differently? Please pick a case that isn't so cut-and-dried.

 * Thanks for running for election. I appreciate having more choices from which to choose.

 * Cheers,

 * --DV 01:50, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I will add an example of how I would have dealt with an already decided case tomorrow. It's better that way as then I can comment on how I see the whole process. I was going to do it tonight, but it's taken me longer than I thought. Lot's of irrelevant evidence to sift through to find the relevant stuff:) jguk 23:11, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

"unsupported nonsense"
Please be more polite in edit summaries, and review talk pages and links before removing content. See Talk:Adolf_Hitler for answers to the confusion you had. [[User:Sam Spade|Sam Spade Arb Com election]] 21:14, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * My edit summary was "rv - Sam, I've made a point by point rebuttal of your argument on the talk page that illustrates you have little evidence to support your claims - please don't keep reinserting them- and TALK don't RV". I don't see what's impolite about this (given there are only so many words you can add to a summary). Having responded to all your comments in detail, I find it impolite that you choose to ignore them all. If you cannot respond adequately to my reasoned objections, then your comments have no place in the article. jguk 21:21, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

lets be frank
we clearly arn't seeing eye to eye. I feel that you are ignoring the facts of the matter (some people view Hitler to be a diety, specifically Kalki). I'm sorry if you didn't like some of the links. Maybe some of them were ill chosen. I also apologize for getting angry about what I felt was a rude edit summary. However, the facts remain the same:

 * 1) Savitri Devi and Miguel Serrano clearly were proponants of this.
 * 2) they are 2 people, famous ones even
 * 3) Ergo, some people feel Hitler to have been a diety
 * 4) people, especially famous ones, thinking a man is a diety is noteworthy on his article, at least in passing

[[User:Sam Spade|Sam Spade Arb Com election]] 22:44, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Your citing of the Kalki article adds absolutely nothing to your argument. And anyway, if your total number of people who believe this number's 2 (and that's assuming avatar=diety), then I continue to argue I must be right that this comment should not appear in the main Adolf Hitler article. Keep it in Esoteric Hitlerism where it belongs. Esoteric seems a very good word for it, after all. jguk 22:54, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

We don't agree, and its likely we arn't going to. [[User:Sam Spade|Sam Spade Arb Com election]] 23:09, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Human rights article
I've asked for some more clarification. Thanks for editing constructively, by the way. I think it reflects well on you! - Ta bu shi da yu 01:01, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Gzornenplatz
While it is not self-evident, we eventually came to the conclusion, with the help of Tim Sterling, that Gzornenplatz is a reincarnation of Wik. These matters are difficult to spot right off, but over time the personality of a Wikipedia editor will fall into a recognizable pattern which can be recognized if they attract enough attention. Proof, as in this case, comes from determining whether both users are editing from the same ip. Fred Bauder 22:42, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)

Bulawayo
Thanks for your added info on Bulawayo! Have you ever, by chance, lived there? – Quadell (talk) (help)  23:52, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)

 * No. Just what I've seen on the telly and can get from the net. jguk 23:58, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

CheeseDreams
Hello, do you know what's up with CheeseDreams? I noticed you threatened sen with a 24-hour ban, but se appears to still be making very strange edits. -- 00:21, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * That wasn't a threat, but more a reminder to CheeseDreams that the three revert rule was almost certain to get passed in a few hours, so that if he reverted four times today, he would get banned. I'm not a sysop anyway, so there's 0% of me imposing a ban on CheeseDreams or anyone else. jguk 09:52, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Three revert rule
FYI, the three revert rule starts with "This guideline applies to each person". See Three revert rule. jguk 17:32, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * FYI, it further states "A growing consensus is that, since the mere incidental fact of one side outnumbering the other does not, alone, make the majority right, each side of an argument should be limited to 3 reverts per day" CheeseDreams 17:42, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Hang on. Where did you get that from. It doesn't say that at all. Instead, it says the exact opposite: "3RR specifically does not apply to groups" jguk 17:56, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

RfC on CheeseDreams
I would like to start an RfC on CheeseDreams, would you be willing to start it with me?--Josiah 23:18, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)

 * I'd support this. --[[User:Eequor| ᓛᖁ  [[Image:Venus symbol (blue).gif|♀]] [ ᑐ ]]] 00:03, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Requests_for_comment/CheeseDreams--Josiah 04:12, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

London Wikimeet Dec 3
Hi I came here to say congrats on finding me. I noticed that you live in london, and just wanted to make you aware of the wikimeet this friday Meetup/London. Hope you can come. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 23:55, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Copyright
Thats the second time I've heard 70 years (not in respect to this though). I've always been taught in Media studies 50 years after issue of copyright, but that might just be Australia (or US). It is a 1935 work, so if it is 70 years in the UK, it will be out of copyright next year. Maybe we can cross fingers that they won't notice until then. Also most articles I have made have had minor changes to the word arrangement, as grammar rules seem to have changed slightly since then, I just made the template more so that people would know it was dated information.

If its 70 years after authors death, that is a bit iffy, as encyclopedias don't tend to have specific authors, and I definitely didn't find any mentioned in the book covers or anything.

If you feel that copyright doesn't apply, I'll remove that phrasing from the template. Most articles were changed by at least 10%, hence the phrasing "based upon text derived from" in the Template.

Thanks for pointing this out. --ZayZayEM 00:56, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I answered you in my talk page. muriel@pt 09:48, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Proposal
Outside of apologizing for having been angry and perhaps rude with you at one point on my talk page, I don't have a solution (other than what I am already doing, inserting the section regularly, but not so often to be a disruptive "revert war"). However I do think some dialogue may be appropriate, so long as it isn't cyclical. [[User:Sam Spade|Sam Spade Arb Com election]] 13:44, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

CheeseDreams RfAR
I'm very confused by that RfAR, is CheeseDreams raising it against all those people, or is someone raising it against CheeseDreams? Jayjg 22:59, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

it's all a matter of perspective, isn't it.
First, thanks for the message on my page. I appreciate it, and mean no disrespect at all. You suggest I misunderstand. Well, that may be the case. However, I prefer to see it not as me doing the misunderstanding, but someone else doing the misleading. When things are cleared up ON the RFA page, I am sure my misunderstanding will clear up as well. Slrubenstein

There is after all a template. I assume people making requests follow the template. Thus, I refer to the template to make sense of requests. What kind of person would refuse to follow the template? ;) Slrubenstein

Titus Pomponius Atticus - dont forget to post it in Copyright problems. muriel@pt 13:17, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A Message to my Fellow Candidate
Friend, The Arbitration Committee elections are almost here. I humbly ask for your vote in this election cycle. I have been a user of Wikipedia for over a year. I was here before the Community Portal, categories, or . I know how Wikipedia operates, and I am prepared to do my part to deal with problematic accounts. I wish to cut out the bureaucracy that makes our website stagnate. We need solutions to our problems now. If you want an arbitrator who believes in action, frankness, honesty, and fairness in every case, I am your arbitrator. Thank you for your time. You are under no obligation to answer this message.
 * --Paid for by Mero. for ArbCom

Zoroaster article
So sorry if this is not good Wikipedia etiquette--I'm new to Wikipedia. I want to ask you a question, and I find no other way to contact you. I noticed in the article on Zarathustra, you reverted to the last non-anonymous edit, stating that you saw no improvement in the subsequent edits. I would like to rewrite the article, making it less wordy and less biased, and include some of the information that was lost in the reversion. I'm very interested in the historicity of Zarathustra and the evolution of Zoroastrianism after his death, and have spent considerable time researching. I'm curious to know more about why you reverted the article. I know that my work will be edited, but I would like to avoid things that will stand out in the community as unacceptable practice, thus avoiding edits or reversions due to non-content issues. Thanks.

--dave c

Re:proposal
Reply @ User_talk:Sam_Spade. Cheers, [[User:Sam Spade|Sam Spade Arb Com election]] 11:01, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Notability of Ancients who Die
I just noticed on the history of the Recent Deaths page that you questioned the notability of,and briefly deleted,Emma Verona Johnston,the oldest person in the United States.She was also the second-oldest person in the world.While a supercentenarian researcher,I can see the reason to question the inclusion on that page of Virginia Muise or the woman someone wrote an article on as Eleanor Plant (she was better known by her middle name Maebelle),who both died at 111 and were only the oldest in particular parts of the United States,as the world's ancients go Mrs. Johnston was particularly notable.So why did you pick on her,one of the all-time 40 oldest documented,but not on the two others who never reached the top 250?--Louis E./le@put.com/ 12.144.5.2 22:12, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * The original listing just said she was the oldest person in a particular country. Since there are around 200 countries and the oldest person in each of those countries changes frequently, this person did not seem notable to me. Essentially, the addition as it was worded when I removed it did not establish any notability. Of course, you have now offered justification. If it had said she was one of the 40 all-time oldest documented persons, I would have left it alone. jguk 22:35, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Date formats
Interesting. I never noticed that. I'm still debating internally if that preference is a good idea or not. On the one hand it makes sense, on the other, because it's not a default, most people will see lots of inconsistencies throughout and within articles because of it. (I'm a consistency nut on this site, by the way.) R ADICAL B ENDER ★  15:57, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)

Request
Hi, I've responded to your comment at Wikipedia talk:What is a featured article and would request that you look at how important references are to Wikipedia in general, and especially to Wikipedia's best articles. As I mentioned, you are of course entitled to your vote no matter what, but would ask that you make an informed one. - Taxman 18:11, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)

Disagreements concerning style guide, etc.
Your comments have some merit. I am at least open to parts of your proposal.

For an indefinite period, I am willing to suspend my editing of the style guide. I am not willing to cease commenting on the talk page or about the style guide in general. But I will suggest that perhaps we consider the disputed style guide matters to be suspended at least until one of notifies the other, and that either of us place such a notice on the talk page. Please let me know your thoughts on that point.

I will post some comments at User talk:Jguk/Maurreen and jguk. I am willing to give that a serious effort. Everything that you said in your recent post on my talk page has merit.

But I acknowledge that my patience is low in this matter. I fear that our disagreement has progressed too far, and my frustration is too high, for us to resolve this amicably just between ourselves. Maurreen 19:45, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

RfC
I have filed at Requests for comment about your behavior. Maurreen 09:51, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Patricia Cornwell and Sickert
Hi. Would you mind taking a look at the talk:Patricia Cornwell page, thank you. IVoteTurkey 12:47, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Baseball/cricket
I have tried restoring my general comparison between cricket and baseball in a clearer way. When I first started watching cricket the first thing that struck me about it is that it's all about batting while baseball is all about fielding, and that the reason is that cricketers bat with a two-by-four (or four-and-a-quarter) while baseball players field with a thing like a bushel basket on their hands.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to ignore the existence of specialist fielding positions, but simply to point out that cricket places fewer fielding demands on players and more batting demands. I speak as someone who once saw Intikhab Alam let a slow roller go between his legs. People laughed. Bill Buckner did that (on a quicker ball) and has lived in infamy ever since.

My current solution may still be inadequate but I do think the point should be made somehow. Bleeder 20:53, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Fine.
As you asked oh so nicely, sure. Honestly, it's at moments like this one when I'm feeling especially depressed and especially attacked I feel like leaving this site.

Have a nice day. - Ta bu shi da yu 11:53, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I've speedily deleted the RFC. Hope your happy now that Pename is free to keep making personal attacks, even though people made a mistake in the signing. Now we'll never get anything reasonable on Jihad or Template:Timeline of Islamist militancy. And I'll keep getting attacked, via anonymous IP addresses no less. But like I've already said, have a nice night/day. - Ta bu shi da yu 11:58, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry for the snippy and unkind comments. I'm going through a massive period of depression that's lasted at least 6 months and it's not getting any better. I've been using Wikipedia as a constructive distraction now for that period, hence the reason I have so many edits. My depression hasn't been caused by Wikipedia but by real life. But I've got to take a timeout because now my depression is beginning to effect the way I edit/admin this site. I don't want to stuff it up for everyone, so I've blanked my talk page and place a note saying that I'll be off the air for a while. Which I will be until I've worked out some of the major problems in my life.

I really appreciate your patience with me over this one. It's rare to find someone who doesn't react to unkindness in a similar way! - Ta bu shi da yu 13:08, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Just saw the message on my user page. Mate, I appreciate the encouragement :) your comments mean a lot to me! - Ta bu shi da yu 20:16, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yoo Young-Chul
You can include the news about him in Template:In_the_news once you have written an article about him. Cheers. – Kaihsu 23:18, 2004 Dec 13 (UTC)

CheeseDreams and Historicity of Jesus
Firstly, thanks for kind comments on my user page. They were totally appreciated... I'm in a much better state now so I'll be reverting back. It's good to know that people are very kind on this site though :-)

Anyway, back to the point (I've posted this to WP:AN): Can I please get advise on how to deal with the extensive changes that CheeseDreams is making on this article? She's running roughshod over everyone on an extremely controversial article. It's already been stuffed up due to this user's edits and had to be protected by RickK (in it's highly POV and badly structured form: at one point there were essentially TWO articles on the one page). Now CheeseDreams is making a massive change without using the talk page, and it adding sections that don't even have any content in it! I've reverted back and have requested that she bring her changes to the talk page. I would appreciate advise on how to procede with this, I don't particularly want to engage in an edit war with her. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:44, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Current Events removal
Hi there. Let's talk out the issue before we delete that item from Current Events outright, ok? I have seen your work and I value your ability to make a convincing argument, and would like to come to agreement and avoid any edit back-and-forth. Sound good? -- RyanFreisling @ 20:44, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Cricket
Hi, thanks for your cricket invitation, I'll be online after Christmas. --- Nichalp

DreamGuy RFC
Have responded on Requests for comment/DreamGuy. Hope that clarifies. I will tolerate pretty well anything, because, frankly, life's too short. But when someone questions my integrity they step over a line and I will not hesitate to make it 'official'. Icundell 20:00, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Not a problem. I fully appreciate the need to go by the book. As I suspect you realise, I don't really care one or or the other what happens to DreamGuy. I've been around the internet far too long to be bothered by keyboard warriors (and probably far too long, full stop (or is that period?)). All I want is fair play for User:IVoteTurkey, who in our sole other exchange, (see the Christmas discussion at Wikipedia talk:UK Wikipedians' notice board) behaved with utmost courtesy. I would also like to see Walter Sickert cleaned up (take a look and see if you think it is a fair and balanced (dare I say it, NPOV) account of him), but that's a side issue. Icundell 20:40, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

redirecting page
I know you have a pending name change request, but it's confusing if you are actively editing under User talk:Jongarrettuk, yet redirecting your user pages to User talk:Jguk.

Also, please do not mark RFCs as speedy deletion. The "defendants" have agreed to retain them as evidence, and that is their right. -- Netoholic @ 21:19, 2004 Dec 17 (UTC)

 * Actually, it's not - the current policy is that the page is deleted (though I myself have proposed the policy you suggest). Maybe the complainant and other contributors to the page would like it deleted (which is their right). Anyway, I'll let them take up that case. jguk 12:21, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Changing username "5. Start editing from the new account. Once your request is dealt with, all edits from your old account will be reattributed to your new account.".
 * It really is disruptive to redirect your user page, and I hope you'll respond. Until you begin editing as "jguk", I'd suggest keeping this "soft" redirect. -- Netoholic @ 04:23, 2004 Dec 18 (UTC)

My point is that if you keep editing under your old name, when will the developer know when its safe to move you? You should follow the advice on that page, and start editing under your new name. And yes, that may mean having to rebuild your watchlist in the meantime. At least start migrating over, perhaps... check your old account for watchlist changes, but start doing edits under the new name. You could open your watchlist in one tab/window, then log out/in from another. -- Netoholic @ 09:33, 2004 Dec 18 (UTC)

 * I'll think about it. If you can think of any way for me to easily transfer my watchlist, it would be appreciated. jguk 12:21, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

User Page Layout
Hi, Jon.

Your user page doesn't display properly in Firefox 1.0 under the Cologne Blue skin. The "Royal Palace at Tétouan, Morocco" image is superimposed over the TOC.

chocolateboy 14:24, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for letting me know. Do you know how I can solve the problem? As long as you don't delete anything, feel free to have a go yourself. jguk 14:45, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yep. That seems to have done the trick!

chocolateboy 14:56, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

List of Palestinian children killed by Israelis in 2001
Hi, I know this kind of list can be very emotive, but as I don't see anything on the talk page except a copyright violation dispute which has been resolved, I wonder if you explain why you have added the page to Requests for Comment. I found your entry there and visited the page. It's just a list of children's names and causes of death. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 15:56, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * You've got the wrong person there. Nothing to do with me. It was added by an anonymous user . Kind regards, jguk 16:21, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Duh! Sorry. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 16:39, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Current Events
I agree that the Ohio lawsuit isn't important enough to warrant placement on the currents events page at this time. I have removed it. Obviously, my opinion could change at a later time if the lawsuit progresses and has any chance of affecting the outcome. Cheers! Carrp 21:54, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Please stop putting information in an article that you do not know to be true and that others tell you is false.
That is disturbing behavior.

(Moss v. Bush)

Read the article and the court filings. Learn about something before you attempt to teach it. Kevin Baas | talk 22:02, 2004 Dec 18 (UTC)

 * You might care to note that the reference to what the Kerry campaign said that I added was direct from one of the references you added yourself into the article. Kind regards, jguk 22:08, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * You are confused. That reference does not refer to Moss vs. Bush.  Kerry is not involved in that lawsuit, and is unlikely to be as familiar with the relevant laws and procedures as the lawyers persuing the case. Kevin Baas | talk 22:12, 2004 Dec 18 (UTC)

I have now added comments to Talk:Moss v. Bush, which make clear the legal basis for the first bit of what I wrote. In relation to the second bit, I considered it relevant in the same way as the source you quoted (which was the American ABC). You may disagree with me (and them) as to its relevance, as is your right, but that does not make it wholly unreasonable to mention it. After all, the plaintiffs are arguing for a declaration that Kerry should have won the Ohio votes (not that any such declaration would have any legal effect). I consider a comment on Kerry's current views of the few remaining Ohio disputes to not be out of place. jguk 23:06, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Let's jsut talk about this on the Talk:Moss v. Bush from now on, but I'll reply briefly regarding kerry, here.

 * I do not dispute the relevancy of Kerry's views. I do not dispute that it would not be out of place to discuss them in the article.

 * I do dispute the context in which they have been placed in the article. The context is not about kerry or other views, it is about the basis and innate legitimacy of the suit, which kerry's views are external to.

 * If you would like to put in a section on other people's views on the lawsuit, such as is the 2004 U.S. presidential election controversy: "Official positions". And explain Kerry's views and position regarding Moss v. Bush in that section, then I would consider that a constructive and NPOV contribution.  (provided, ofcourse, that it accurately and represents his position) Kevin Baas | talk 23:25, 2004 Dec 18 (UTC)

"Real world" disciplinary action and its relation to arbitrators
Actually, I was interested to learn the terms of Fred Bauder's suspension from practicing law, which you brought up on his talk page. I would be disinclined to pick such a person as arbitrator, but his activity of Wikipedia has been reasonable. As long as this remains true, I see no reason to request that he step down. On CheeseDreams case however, I think recusal would be appropriate. Cool Hand Luke  08:45, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A different opinion
jguk, I respectfully ask that you think twice about your "background investigation" of Fred Bauder. Your investigation could have an extremely corrosive effect on Wikipedia.

I choose to edit using my real name, but many others do not, as they view their personal life to be off-limits from other Wikipedians. I believe that so many other Wikipedian's choose to edit anonymously partially out of fear of being subject to what you are doing to Fred Bauder.

Imagine if you were successful in driving anyone off of Wikipedia by using personal details about that user's life obtained from outside of Wikipedia?

The corrosive effect of creating an environment in which it is more prudent to edit anonymously would set back the idea that the Wikipedia community is a free and open place in which anyone can contribute.

I for one would like to see more people using their actual names. Editors will work with each other in a more professional manner if they view each other as real people rather than as abstract screen names.

If more people used their real names, perhaps there would be fewer personal attacks and more energy spent on finding creative ways to resolve our differences.

I still have a lot to learn to be a good Wikipedia contributor, so I am grateful for the people on Wikipedia who use their real names. Those editors have made a greater impact on me, to better help me improve how I conduct myself, and teaching me new ways to think about solving differences.

On a number of occassions, various more senior editors have privately e-mailed me to take me aside and counsel me how to better handle a situation when they believe I am off the tracks.

All of this is at risk if you make it seem like a bad idea to edit using one's actual identity on Wikipedia.

I'm not an Administrator. I'm not telling you what to do. But there is an important principle at stake in this case, which I hope you will consider.

Just my two cents,

— DV 10:50, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I am taking this slowly - and note that in this case the person involved actually asked for a background check, as you call it, to be made. There can be no complaints that that request was followed. Had I wanted to irresponsibly plastered it all over Wikipedia by now, I would have done - but that would have been inappropriate. I raised it in non-sensationalist tones on that user's talk page to invite comment from him. I also note that the circumstances here are different (as I have previously noted) and do not apply to most Wikipedians, so do not have general read-across. jguk 11:24, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

title: User talk:Jguk/Archive2


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Jirga

A jirga (جرګه, jərga) is an assembly of leaders that makes decisions by consensus according to Pashtunwali, the Pashtun social code. It is conducted in order to settle disputes among the Pashtuns, but also by members of other ethnic groups who are influenced by them in present-day Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Historically, a loya jirga or a "great council" has been convened in order to elect a new head of state, approve a new constitution or resolve critical issues. Loya jirgas have reportedly been organized since the rise to power of the Hotak dynasty in the early 18th century. In July 1747, Afghan chiefs assembled in Kandahar to elect a new king, choosing the 25-year-old Ahmad Shah Durrani, who is credited with founding the modern state of Afghanistan.

From 11 to 14 March 2022, the inaugural meeting of the Pashtun National Jirga was held in Bannu, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa to discuss the critical issues faced by the Pashtuns in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Etymology
The word jirga is cognate to Middle Mongol noun, ǰerge (originally meaning rank and order), referring to a large assembly of men forming a very broad circle, initially intended for laying siege around games or animals to be hunted for food or sport. Pashtun elders also typically sit in a circle when debating and hearing a given dispute during a tribal jirga.

In Pashto, a grand jirga is known as loya jirga (لویه جرګه, lōya jərga). A mini-jirga is called jirgagai (جرګګۍ, jərgagəy).

Origin and historicity
The institution, which is centuries old, is a similar idea to the Islamic shura ("consultative assembly").

It is thought that the ancient Indo-Iranian tribes, also known as Arya or Aryans, practiced a sort of jirga system with two types of councils – simite and sabhā. The simite (summit) comprised elders and tribal chiefs. The king also joined sessions of the simite. Sabhā was a sort of rural council. In present-day India, they are still referred to as Samiti and Sabha.

In Afghan society, the jirga is still maintained and favored, mostly by tribal leaders to solve internal or external disputes with other tribes. In some cases it functions like a town hall meeting. When the Afghans took power they tried to legitimize their hold with such a jirga. While in the beginning only Pashtuns were allowed to participate in the jirgas, later other ethnic groups like Tajiks and Hazaras were allowed to participate as well. The member of the jirgas were mostly members of the royal family, religious leaders and tribal leaders of the Afghans. King Amanullah Khan institutionalized the jirga. From Amanullah until the reign of Mohammed Zahir Shah (1933–1973) and Mohammed Daoud Khan (1973–1978) the jirga was recognized as a common meeting of regional Pashtun leaders. The meetings do not have scheduled occurrences, but rather are called for when issues or disputes arise. There is no time limit for a jirga to conclude, and the meetings often take time because decisions can only be made as a group and arguments can drag out for days. Various issues can be addressed such as major disaster, foreign policy, declaration of war, the legitimacy of leaders, and the introduction of new ideas and laws.

Functioning methodology
The community council meaning is often found in circumstances involving a dispute between two individuals; a jirga may be part of the dispute resolution mechanism in such cases. The disputants would usually begin by finding a mediator, choosing someone such as a senior religious leader, a local notable, or a mediation specialist (a khan or məshər). In tribal Pashtun society, the maliks serve as de facto arbiters in local conflicts, interlocutors in state policy-making, tax-collectors, heads of village and town councils and delegates to provincial and national jirgas as well as delegates to Parliament. The mediator hears from each of the two sides and then he forms a Jirga of community elders, taking care to include the supporters of both sides. The jirga then considers the case and, after it discusses the matter, it comes to a decision about how to handle it, which the mediator then announces. The jirga's conclusion is binding.

1709 loya jirga
A loya jirga was gathered by Mirwais Hotak in Shari Safa near Kandahar in 1709.

1747 loya jirga
A jirga at Kandahar was attended by Afghan representatives who appointed Ahmad Shah Durrani as their new leader.

1928 loya jirga
In September 1928, a jirga was called by King Amanullah at Paghman near Kabul, the third loya jirga of his reign (1919–1929) to discuss reforms, during which King Amanullah asked Queen Soraya to remove her veil in order to gain support for his modernizing policies. However, this was too much for the delegates, some of whom instigated a revolt. Resistance against Amanullah's reforms eventually led to the Afghan Civil War (1928–1929).

2002 loya jirga
In June–July 2002, Hamid Karzai elected to oversee a loya jirga. This was only possible because in the fall of 2001, Karzai was able to successfully lead one of the largest tribes in southern Afghanistan in an uprising against the draconian rule of the Taliban. The loya jirga was organized by the interim administration of Hamid Karzai, with about 1,600 delegates, some of the delegates were selected during elections which were held in various regions of the country, and other delegates were selected by members of various political, cultural, and religious groups. It was held in a large tent on the grounds of the Kabul Polytechnic on June 11 and it was scheduled to last about a week. It formed a new Transitional Administration that took office shortly thereafter.

More than 1,000 of the participants were elected in a two-stage procedure. Each district elected 20 members, who then elected one person who would represent the entire district in a secret vote. At least one member was allocated to each of the country's 362 districts, with an additional seat being allocated for every 22,000 people. No one was barred from the meeting with the exception of people who were accused of engaging in terrorism, people who were suspected of being involved in the illegal drug trade, people who committed human rights abuses, people who committed war crimes, people who committed pillage, and people who committed theft of public property. Additionally, nomads, refugees, intellectuals, representatives of cultural institutions, representatives of social organizations, and religious scholars were all in attendance. Of the remaining seats, a total of 160 seats were allocated to women.

2003 loya jirga
On 14 December 2003, a 502-delegate loya jirga was convened in Kabul to consider the proposed Afghan Constitution. Originally planned to last ten days, the assembly endorsed the charter by January 4, 2004.

Other historical jirgas
Some other historical jirgas in the history of Afghanistan are:
 * September 1930 – A jirga of 286 called by Mohammed Nadir Shah to confirm his accession to the throne.
 * 1941 – Called by Mohammed Zahir Shah to approve neutrality in World War II.
 * July 26, 1949 – Afghanistan-Pakistan relations rapidly deteriorated over a dispute, officially declared that it did not recognize the 1893 Durand Line border any longer between the two countries.
 * September 1964 – A meeting of 452 called by Mohammed Zahir Shah to approve a new constitution.
 * July 1974 – A meeting with Pakistan over the Durand Line.
 * January 1977 – Approved the new constitution of Mohammed Daoud Khan establishing one-party rule in the Republic of Afghanistan.
 * April 1985 – To ratify the new constitution of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan.
 * May 1990 – To ratify a new constitution of the Republic of Afghanistan under Mohammad Najibullah, amendments includes providing for multiple political parties.
 * September 2001 – Four different loya jirga movements anticipating the end of Taliban rule. Little communication took place between each of them.
 * The first was based in Rome around Mohammed Zahir Shah, and it reflected the interests of moderate Pashtuns from Afghanistan. The Rome initiative called for fair elections, support for Islam as the foundation of the Afghan state, and respect for human rights.
 * The second was based in Cyprus and led by Homayoun Jarir, a member of the Islamic Party of his father-in-law, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. Critics of the Cyprus initiative suspected that it served the interests of Iran. The members of the Cyprus initiative, however, considered themselves closer to the Afghan people and regard the Rome group as too close to the long-isolated nobility.
 * The most significant was based in Germany, which resulted in the Bonn Agreement (Afghanistan). This agreement was made under United Nations auspices, established the Afghan Interim Authority and paved the way for the later jirgas that established the Constitution of Afghanistan.
 * 2006 – Afghan president Hamid Karzai said that he and the Pakistani president will jointly lead a loya jirga to end a dispute over border attacks.
 * December 2009 – after his disputed re-election, President Hamid Karzai announced to move ahead with a plan for a loya jirga to discuss the Taliban insurgency. The Taliban was invited to take part in this jirga, but they declined.
 * June 2010 – at Kabul, in which around 1,600 delegates of all ethnic groups attended for a peace talks with the Taliban.
 * 17 November 2013 – at Kabul, in which around 2,500 Afghan elders approved the presence of a limited number of US forces beyond 2014.
 * April 29 – May 3, 2019 – at the Bagh-e Bala Palace in Kabul, held to agree a common approach to peace talks with the Taliban, amid negotiations between the Taliban and the United States. The jirga was chaired by Abdul Rasul Sayyaf and over 3,200 delegates attended. The Taliban refused to attend.
 * 7–9 August 2020 – held to decide the fate of 400 Taliban prisoners accused of serious crimes, who were supposed to be freed as part of the Afghan peace process.

1947 Bannu jirga
On June 21, 1947, in Bannu, a loya jirga was held consisting of Bacha Khan, his brother Chief Minister Dr Khan Sahib, the Khudai Khidmatgars, members of the Provincial Assembly, Mirzali Khan (Faqir of Ipi), and other tribal chiefs, just seven weeks before the Partition of India. The loya jirga declared the Bannu Resolution, which demanded that the Pashtuns be given a choice to have an independent state of Pashtunistan composing all Pashtun territories of British India, instead of being made to join either India or Pakistan. However, the British Raj refused to comply with the demand of this resolution, in response to which the Khudai Khidmatgars boycotted the 1947 North-West Frontier Province referendum for merging the province into Pakistan.

2006 loya jirga for Balochistan
In April 2006, former Balochistan Chief Minister Taj Muhammad Jamali offered to arrange a meeting between President Pervez Musharraf and a loya jirga for peace in Balochistan. A loya jirga was held at Kalat in September 2006 to announce that a case would be filed in the International Court of Justice regarding the sovereignty and rights of the Baloch people.

Quasi-legal function
The jirga was also used as a court in cases of criminal conduct, but this usage is being replaced by formal courts in some settled areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan, elsewhere it is still used as courts in tribal regions.

The jirga holds the prestige of a court in the tribal areas of Pakistan. Although a political agent appointed by the national government maintains law and order through the Frontier Crimes Regulation (FCR), the actual power lies in the jirga. The political agent maintains law and order in his tribal region with the help of jirgas. The jirga can award capital punishment, such as stoning to death in case of adultery, or expulsion from the community.

In the recent military operations against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Pakistan's restive southern tribal agencies bordering Afghanistan, jirgas played a key role of moderator between the government and the militants. The tradition of jirga has also been adopted by Muslims in the Kashmir valley of Indian-administered Kashmir.

Alternative Dispute Resolution Act 2017
As per 2017 political dispensation in Government, unofficial Jirga and Panchayats are very popular among masses, so formal recognition of the same will help make the system more transparent and responsible, while left leaning political dispensations in opposition expressed their apprehension that weaker sections will suffer while feudalism will benefit. The Alternative Dispute Resolution Act, 2017 of Pakistan makes provision for selection of neutral observing arbitrator from Government approved panel agreed by parties. If a dispute is resolved amicably the court will formalize judgement, and if not parties can choose to opt-in further formal judicial administration for their grievances. Basit Mahmood criticizes the bill's provisions allowing the government to appoint "neutrals" to each jirga not being sufficient since the so-called "neutrals", who must approve their verdicts would most likely be consisting of retired judges and religious scholars of conservative nature and that will put principle of neutrality upside down and with a substantially effect on the lives of women across the Pakistan. ''Basit Mahmood also criticizes United Kingdom's donor agency Department for International Development for funding of misogyny protecting ADR tribunals. ''

Contested justice and human rights violations
In a January 2019 on petition from National Commission on the Status of Women (NCSW) judgement Supreme Court of Pakistan ruled that, beyond permissible limits of the law to the extent of acting as arbitration, mediation, negotiation or reconciliation forums between parties involved in a civil dispute who willingly consent to the same; rest of practices and attempts by Jirgas to adjudicate on civil or criminal matters is not lawful, and that unlawful practices of Jirgas are violate Articles 4, 8, 10-A, 25 and 175(3) of the Constitution of Pakistan, and also that "operation of jirgas/ panchayats, etc violates Pakistan's international commitments under the UDHR, ICCPR and CEDAW, which place a responsibility on the state of Pakistan to ensure that everyone has access to courts or tribunals, (and all people) are treated equally before the law and in all stages of procedure in courts and tribunals".

According to correspondent I.A. Rehman, In January 2019 Pakistani government law officials from provinces and federal confirmed governments-made commitments to Supreme Court of Pakistan to not to allow Panchayat and Jirga platforms for illegal practices of violating fundamental constitutional rights of women by honour killings, wani, swara, karo kari, and that the governments are committed to CEDAW

Instances of jirga judicial overreach
In January 2018, Basit Mahmood criticized 2017 Pakistan act for Alternative Dispute Resolution saying that it creates scope for a parallel justice system which eventually can undermine states' authority. As per Dilawar Wazir's June 2020 news report in Pakistani news daily Dawn and subsequent editorial, district administration in Pakistan's tribal area was struggling to see one Ahmadzai Wazir tribe avoids to implement its jirga ruling of raising a parallel armed force (lashkar) of around 2,400 people to demolish houses of left-leaning political opponents. To make the tribal jirga to submit to a financial compromise, the district administration had to call in elite security force, and make victim submit to demand of 1 million rupees plus four rams as reparation from victim and his clan.

As per a June 2020 Tribune Pakistan report, a jirga (a type of quasi kangaroo court) attempted ruling to give up a 13-year-old minor girl in marriage to a 41-year-old married man as Swara (punishment) for her brother's alleged disliked relation with his cousin, the Jirga's attempt was foiled by a close relative of the boy with help of police.

In another 2020 June incident in Sindh Pakistan, police struggled to clamp down on a jirga which declared two sisters to be ignoble 'Karis' fined father of the girls for one million rupees plus ordered killing of the sisters (an outlawed but prevalent practice of declaring 'Kari's-literal black spot on honour of the family or community – subjectable to severe punishments including honour killing many times for alleged compromising on expectations of modesty and chastity out of suspicions).

Historic jirgas and women
The Sindh High Court imposed a ban on the holding of jirgas in April 2004 because of the sometimes inhumane sentences which were imposed on people, especially on women and men who married of their own free will. The ban, however, has been ignored.

An all-female jirga or a Khwaindo jirga (a "sister's council") was held in Pakistan, and it had a total of 25 members. It was headed by Tabassum Adnan which helped 11 women get justice as of 2013.

2022 Pashtun National Jirga
On 11–14 March 2022, the Pashtun National Jirga, or Bannu Jirga, was held at Mirakhel in Bannu, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa in order to defend the rights of the Pashtuns in the country. The critical issues which were faced by the Pashtuns were discussed during the jirga in a bid to suggest solutions to them. The Bannu Jirga endorsed the declarations of two earlier Pashtun Jirgas, one of which was organized on 10 March 2020 at Bacha Khan Markaz, Peshawar by Asfandyar Wali Khan of the Awami National Party (ANP), while the other was hosted on 7 August 2021 in Hashtnagar, Charsadda by Afzal Khamosh of the Mazdoor Kisan Party (MKP).

Mahmood Khan Achakzai, Nawab Ayaz Jogezai, Abdul Rahim Ziaratwal, Abdul Qahar Wadan, Obaidullah Babat, Nasrullah Zayrai and Arfa Siddiq of the Pashtunkhwa Milli Awami Party (PMAP), Manzoor Pashteen, Mir Kalam and Wranga Loni of the Pashtun Tahafuz Movement (PTM), Mohsin Dawar, Latif Afridi, Afrasiab Khattak, Bushra Gohar and Jamila Gilani of the National Democratic Movement (NDM), Khadim Hussain and Maulana Khanzeb of the Awami National Party (ANP), Afzal Khamosh of the Mazdoor Kisan Party (MKP), Farhatullah Babar and Ahmad Kundi of the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP), Sardar Yaqoob Nasar of the Pakistan Muslim League (PMLN), Muhammad Khan Sherani of Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI), Chief of Waziristan Gul Alam Wazir, historian Parvesh Shaheen, and numerous other Pashtun, Baloch and Hazara leaders were part of the Bannu Jirga. The resolutions were also endorsed by several Afghan political leaders, including Hamid Karzai, Haneef Atmar and Amrullah Saleh.

Demands
Some of the most important demands of the Pashtun National Jirga, 11–14 March 2022, were:
 * This jirga should be an independent entity, and a committee of cooperation should be established to implement its decisions and objectives
 * A public inquiry should be set up to investigate the deaths of Usman Kakar, Arif Wazir, Arman Loni, and all the Pashtuns murdered extrajudicially in fake encounters by the police forces in Pakistan
 * Ali Wazir, Hanif Pashteen, Owais Abdal, Qazi Tahir and other political prisoners should all be released
 * All missing persons should be presented before courts, and internally displaced persons (IDPs) be resettled in their area and homes and be fully compensated for their losses
 * A truth and reconciliation commission should be set up to look into the extent of damages done to the Pashtuns in Pakistan
 * If the Pakistani courts refuse to attend these inquiries, a mechanism should be set up to investigate these damages through international courts
 * The draconian laws under the Action (in Aid of Civil Power) Regulation must be immediately abolished in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, all the safety, security and administrative powers be entrusted to the civil administration, and intelligence agencies must stop interfering in politics
 * The Pashtun region is rich in natural resources including water and natural gas, but the Pashtuns are kept deprived in Pakistan; control over these resources needs to be regained
 * The diversion of the Indus River from its natural course by the Ghazi-Barotha canal was a transgression against international principles and the fundamental right to life of the people along the banks; the Indus should be rerouted to its original watercourse, and the Indus Water Apportionment Accord of 1991 should be revised to grant the Pashtun region a status of owner and stakeholder
 * The jirga called for an immediate end to the occupation of the forests, mountains, lands and natural resources of the Pashtun region by the Pakistani military and government agencies
 * A united Pashtun province consisting of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, South Pashtunkhwa (in Balochistan), Attock and Mianwali should be established
 * Pashto should be proclaimed the Pashtun region's national, official and educational language, while speakers of the region's other languages should also have access to education in their native tongues
 * The jirga rejected the fake results of the 2017 Census of Pakistan and said that an independent, transparent and inclusive mechanism should be made for a new census under international principles
 * A loya jirga should be organized in Afghanistan to form an inclusive government through a general election, and a mechanism should be put in place so that Afghan governments and their powers are not forcefully seized in the future
 * The jirga vehemently rejected the Pakistani-built barbed barrier along the Durand Line, and demanded that all historical trade routes along the line be ensured for trade and free movement of people without any paperwork

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Fritz Feld

Fritz Feld (October 15, 1900 – November 18, 1993) was a German-American film character actor who appeared in over 140 films in 72 years, both silent and sound. His trademark was to slap his mouth with the palm of his hand to create a "pop" sound.

Early life and career
Born to a Jewish family in Berlin, Germany, Feld began his acting career in Germany in 1917, making his screen debut in Der Golem und die Tänzerin (The Golem and the Dancing Girl). His early career in the United States included touring with Morris Gest's production of The Miracle in the mid-1920s. Feld filmed the sound sequences of the Cecil B. DeMille film The Godless Girl (1929), released by Pathé, without DeMille's supervision since DeMille had already broken his contract with Pathé, and signed with Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer.

He developed a characterization that came to define him. His trademark was to slap his mouth with the palm of his hand to create a "pop!" sound that indicated both his superiority and his annoyance. The first use of the "pop" sound was in If You Knew Susie (1948).

Feld often played the part of a maître d'hôtel, but also a variety of aristocrats and eccentrics. In the 1938 screwball comedy Bringing Up Baby he played the role of Dr. Lehman. In 1939 he appeared with the Marx Brothers in At The Circus in the small role of French orchestra conductor Jardinet. He appeared in nine films with Jerry Lewis between 1954-1970, in addition to working with Lewis and Dean Martin on their television program, The Colgate Comedy Hour.

In his later years, Feld appeared in several Walt Disney films and also played an uncharacteristically dramatic role in Barfly. He also portrayed one of the Harmonia Gardens waiters in the movie Hello Dolly! (1969). In addition to films, he acted in numerous television series in guest roles, including the recurring role of Zumdish, the manager of the intergalactic Celestial Department Store on Lost In Space, in two Season 2 episodes, "The Android Machine" and "The Toymaker". Zumdish returned in the Season 3 episode "Two Weeks In Space". In one 1967 episode of The Man from U.N.C.L.E., "The Napoleon's Tomb Affair", Feld played a banker, a beatnik, a diplomat and a waiter.

Feld made his final film appearance in 1989.

Personal life
Feld was married to Virginia Christine who was twenty years his junior and famous for her role as "Mrs. Olson" in television commercials for Folgers Coffee, from 1940 until his death in 1993 in a convalescent home in Los Angeles, California; Christine died in 1996. The couple are interred at the Jewish Mount Sinai Memorial Park Cemetery in the Hollywood Hills section of Los Angeles. The couple had a child, Steven Anatol Feld, born in 1945 (#176621 in the Fales/Feilchenfeld/Field genealogy).

Feld bears number 17662 in the genealogy of the descendants of Wolf Fales Felichenfeld (born 1745). Rudi bears number 17661. They were the sons of Heinrich Feilchenfeld (born May 1, 1867 in Berlin) who bears number 1766.

Fritz Feld was a strong enough amateur chess player that 1948 U.S. champion Herman Steiner and international master George Koltanowski would come to his home some evenings in the 1940s, with the three of them playing chess until 6 o'clock the following morning, as mentioned in The Bobby Fischer I Knew and Other Stories (Denker & Parr, 1995).

Partial filmography

 * The Golem and the Dancing Girl (1917) as Hotel Page
 * Dämon der Welt. 1. Das Schicksal des Edgar Morton (1919)
 * The Golem: How He Came into the World (1920) as Jester (uncredited)
 * Christian Wahnschaffe (1920)
 * A Ship Comes In (1928) as Sokol
 * The Last Command (1928) as A Revolutionist
 * Blindfold (1928) as Thomas Bernard
 * Broadway (1929) as Mose Levett
 * Black Magic (1929) as James Fraser
 * One Hysterical Night (1929) as Paganini
 * I Met Him in Paris (1937) as Swiss Hotel Clerk
 * Lancer Spy (1937) as Fritz Mueller
 * Expensive Husbands (1937) as Herr Meyer, Hotel Director
 * Hollywood Hotel (1937) as The Russian
 * True Confession (1937) as Krayler's Butler
 * Tovarich (1937) as Martelleau, neighbor
 * Annabel Takes a Tour (1938)
 * Bringing Up Baby (1938) as Dr. Lehman
 * Romance in the Dark (1938) as Fritz
 * Go Chase Yourself (1938) as Count Pierre Fountaine de Louis-Louis
 * Gold Diggers in Paris (1938) as Luis Leoni
 * I'll Give a Million (1938) as Max Primerose
 * The Affairs of Annabel (1938) as Vladimir
 * Campus Confessions (1938) as 'Lady MacBeth'
 * Artists and Models Abroad (1938) as Dubois
 * Swingtime in the Movies (1938, Short) as Mr. Nitvitch
 * Idiot's Delight (1939) as Pittatek
 * When Tomorrow Comes (1939) as Nicholas
 * At the Circus (1939) as Jardinet
 * Little Accident (1939) as Malisse
 * Everything Happens at Night (1939) as Gendarme
 * Little Old New York (1940) as Tavern Keeper
 * Millionaire Playboy (1940) as 'G.G.' Gorta
 * Ma! He's Making Eyes at Me (film) (1940) as Forsythe
 * It's a Date (1940) as Headwaiter
 * I Was an Adventuress (1940) as Henri Gautier
 * Sandy Is a Lady (1940) as Mario
 * Victory (1940) as Signor Makanoff
 * Come Live with Me (1941) as Mac, the Headwaiter (uncredited)
 * Three Sons o' Guns (1941) as Blotievkin
 * World Premiere (1941) as Field Marshal Muller
 * You Belong to Me (1941) as Hotel Desk Clerk
 * Skylark (1941) as Maitre d'Hotel (uncredited)
 * The Mexican Spitfire's Baby (1941) as Lieutenant Pierre Gaston de la Blanc
 * Four Jacks and a Jill (1942) as Mr. Hoople
 * Shut My Big Mouth (1942) as Robert Oglethorpe
 * Sleepytime Gal (1942) as Chef Petrovich
 * Maisie Gets Her Man (1942) as Professor Orco
 * Iceland (1942) as Herr Tegnar
 * Heavenly Music (1943) as Niccolò Paganini (uncredited)
 * Henry Aldrich Swings It (1943) as Josef Altman
 * Phantom of the Opera (1943) as Lecours
 * Holy Matrimony (1943) as Critic
 * Passport to Destiny (1944) as Chief Janitor
 * Knickerbocker Holiday (1944) as Poffenburgh
 * Take It Big (1944) as Doctor Dittenhoffer
 * Ever Since Venus (1944) as Michele
 * The Great John L. (1945) as Claire's Manager
 * George White's Scandals (1945) as Montescu
 * Captain Tugboat Annie (1945) as Al Pucci aka Alfred Puccini
 * The Catman of Paris (1946) as Prefect of Police
 * The Wife of Monte Cristo (1946) as Bonnett
 * Her Sister's Secret (1946) as New Orleans Wine Salesman
 * Gentleman Joe Palooka (1946) as Club Steward
 * I've Always Loved You (1946) as Nicholas Kavlun
 * Carnival in Costa Rica (1947) as Hotel Clerk
 * Fun on a Weekend (1947) as Sergei Stroganoff
 * The Secret Life of Walter Mitty (1947) as Anatole
 * If You Knew Susie (1948) as Chez Henri
 * My Girl Tisa (1948) as Professor Tabor
 * The Noose Hangs High (1948) as Psychiatrist
 * Julia Misbehaves (1948) as Pepito
 * You Gotta Stay Happy (1948) as Pierre
 * Trouble Makers (1948) as Mr. Andre Schmidtlap – Hotel Manager
 * Mexican Hayride (1948) as Professor Ganzmeyer
 * The Lovable Cheat (1949) as Monsieur Louis
 * The Great Lover (1949) as Waiter (uncredited)
 * Belle of Old Mexico (1950) as Dr. Quincy
 * Appointment with Danger (1950) as Window Dresser (uncredited)
 * Riding High (1950) as French Dressmaker (uncredited)
 * The Jackpot (1950) as Long-Haired Pianist (uncredited)
 * Rhythm Inn (1951) as Professor Rinaldo
 * Missing Women (1951) as Pierre
 * Kentucky Jubilee (1951) as Rudolph 'Rudi' Jouvet
 * Little Egypt (1951) as Professor
 * Journey Into Light (1951) as Clothing Salesman
 * Sky High (1951) as Dr. Kapok
 * My Favorite Spy (1951) as Dress Designer (uncredited)
 * Aaron Slick from Punkin Crick (1952) as Headwaiter
 * Has Anybody Seen My Gal? (1952) as Alvarez (uncredited)
 * O. Henry's Full House (1952) as Maurice (segment "The Gift of the Magi") (uncredited)
 * Call Me Madam (1953) as Hat Clerk (uncredited)
 * Crime Wave (1953) as Jess (uncredited)
 * The French Line (1953) as Last Cab Driver (uncredited)
 * Paris Playboys (1954) as Marcel, Maitre d'
 * Riding Shotgun (1954) as Fritz
 * Casanova's Big Night (1954) as Baron Mittschalk of Cardovia (uncredited)
 * Living It Up (1954) as The Barber (uncredited)
 * Jail Busters (1955) as Dr. Fernando F. Fordyce (uncredited)
 * Up in Smoke (1957) as Dr. Bluzak
 * Alfred Hitchcock Presents (1958) (Season 4 Episode 10: "Tea Time") as Maitre D
 * Juke Box Rhythm (1959) as Ambrose
 * Don't Give Up the Ship (1959) as Room Service Waiter (uncredited)
 * The Miracle of the White Reindeer (1960) as Geronimo
 * The Ladies Man (1961) as Mrs. Wellenmellon's Hairdresser (uncredited)
 * The Errand Boy (1961) as Busby, Roaring 20's Director
 * Pocketful of Miracles (1961) as Pierre
 * Promises! Promises! (1963) as Ship's Doctor
 * Who's Minding the Store? (1963) as Irving Cahastrophe, the Gourmet Manager
 * 4 for Texas (1963) as Fritz
 * The Patsy (1964) as Maitre D' (uncredited)
 * Harlow (1965) as Fritz, Window Washer in Movie (uncredited)
 * Made in Paris (1966) as Josef, Night Watchman (uncredited)
 * Three on a Couch (1966) as The Attaché
 * Way... Way Out (1966) as Breckinridge, the Maitre d' (uncredited)
 * Penelope (1966) as Penelope's Dance Partner (uncredited)
 * Lost In Space (1966-1967) as Mr. Zumdish in 3 eps
 * Caprice (1967) as Swiss Innkeeper (uncredited)
 * Barefoot in the Park (1967) as Restaurant Proprietor
 * The Wicked Dreams of Paula Schultz (1968) as Kessel
 * The Comic (1969) as Armand
 * Hello, Dolly! (1969) as Rudolph's Assistant
 * The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes (1969) as Sigmund Van Dyke
 * The Phynx (1970) as Fritz Feld
 * Which Way to the Front? (1970) as Von Runstadt (uncredited)
 * Herbie Rides Again (1974) as Maître d'
 * The Strongest Man in the World (1975) as Uncle Frederick
 * The Sunshine Boys (1975) as Mr. Gilbert, Man at Audition
 * Won Ton Ton, the Dog Who Saved Hollywood (1976) as Rudy's Butler
 * Silent Movie (1976) as Maitre d'
 * Freaky Friday (1976) as Mr. Jackman
 * The World's Greatest Lover (1977) as Tomaso Abalone
 * Legend of the Northwest (1978) as Trapper
 * Herbie Goes Bananas (1980) as Chief Steward
 * History of the World, Part I (1981) as Maitre 'D (The Roman Empire)
 * Heidi's Song (1982) as Sebastian (voice)
 * Barfly (1987) as Bum
 * Homer and Eddie (1989) as Mortician (final film role)

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Azari

Azari may refer to:
 * Āzari, anything related to Iranian Azerbaijan
 * Azerbaijani people
 * A person from the Iranian Azarbaijan
 * Old Azeri language, a now extinct Iranian language previously spoken in the Republic of Azerbaijan and Iranian Azerbaijan
 * Azerbaijani language, a Turkic language
 * Āzari, a Persian surname meaning related to Āzar (fire in Persian)
 * Azari Tusi
 * Azari Rural District, an administrative subdivision of North Khorasan Province, Iran
 * the ancient name of the Catalan village of Vilassar de Dalt

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NWS (TV station)

NWS is an Australian television station based in Adelaide, Australia. It is owned-and-operated by the Nine Network. The station callsign, NWS, is an initialism of The NeWs South Australia.

Origins
NWS-9 was the first television broadcaster in Adelaide, beginning on 5 September 1959 from their Tynte Street studios. It was owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Limited (a subsidiary of his holding company News Corporation) through Southern Television Corporation Ltd who also owned city newspaper The News. Popular programs produced in its early days included the live variety shows Adelaide Tonight and Hey Hey It's Saturday (on-location specials), science show The Curiosity Show, The Country and Western Hour, and children's shows Channel Niners, C'mon Kids, Here's Humphrey and Pick Your Face. NWS also broadcast SANFL game matches from 1989 to 1992, earlier it had produced the first ever colour broadcast of that league's Grand Final in 1973.

In early 1980, NBN Limited became NWS's owner for A$19 million. In 1981, Hadjoin Pty. Ltd., a subsidiary of Kevin Parry's Esplanade Limited (later Parry Corporation), purchased 19.88% of NBN Limited for $6.7 million.

Following this, Parry then attempted to buy the Wansey family's stake in NBN, but was blocked by the Supreme Court of New South Wales, after which Parry revealed that he wanted to take over NBN (and thus NWS). Parry and the Lamb family then formed a deal – NBN would transfer NWS to the Lambs in exchange for their share of NBN which went to the Parrys. This ended NBN Limited's ownership of NWS.

Recent history
The Lamb family sold NWS to Southern Cross Broadcasting for $96 million in 1999, leading to redundancies among almost half of the station's staff.

On 30 May 2007, Southern Cross announced its sale of NWS-9 to WIN Corporation for $105 million. WIN took control on 1 July 2007.

It was reported on 3 June 2013 that Nine Entertainment Co. would immediately purchase Nine Adelaide (NWS) from WIN Corporation as part of a deal to secure international cricket television rights. Nine officially gained control of NWS on 1 July 2013. This move saw Nine Adelaide join Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne as Nine Network owned-and-operated metropolitan stations leaving only Perth which was purchased only months later in September.

Managing Director of Nine Adelaide, Sean O'Brien, announced in late 2014 that within two years, the station would move from their Tynte Street location of over fifty years to new studios in the CBD.

The final broadcast from the Tynte Street studios was on 18 September 2015, followed a day later by the first transmission from the new street-level studios on Pirie Street.

Current in-house productions

 * 9News (Adelaide edition)
 * Hello SA (2022 - Present)
 * Building Ideas (Adelaide edition)

Previous in-house productions

 * Adelaide Tonight
 * The Curiosity Show
 * C'mon Kids
 * The Country and Western Hour
 * Channel Niners
 * Here's Humphrey
 * Pick Your Face
 * Postcards
 * Out of the Blue
 * Garden Gurus SA
 * Building Ideas
 * Feeling Good
 * Out of the Ordinary

News
9News Adelaide is presented from the studios of NWS Adelaide by Kate Collins and Brenton Ragless on weeknights with Will McDonald presenting on weekends. Sport is presented mostly in the studio by Tom Rehn on weekdays and by Corey Norris on weekends, with the weather presented by Jessica Braithwaite on weeknights and Chelsea Carey on the weekend.

News history
John Doherty was the station's first news presenter.

Between 1988 and 2007, the weeknight bulletin was presented by Rob Kelvin and the late Kevin Crease. They were one of the longest serving news duos in Australia.

Throughout the 1990s, Deanna Williams was the main fill-in presenter and state political reporter. Following her resignation in March 2002, either Kelvin or Crease would fill in for McGuinness on weekends, but in 2005 the situation arose where all three presenters were unavailable – leaving weekend sports presenter Mark Bickley to read the news.

Also during this time, the weekend bulletins consistently rated higher than its rival Seven News Adelaide in its timeslot, however, the weeknight bulletins continue to languish in second position behind Seven.

In late 2008, NWS-9 launched its own local version of the Nine Network's flagship current affairs program, A Current Affair, hosted by Adelaide journalist Kate Collins. It was axed only one year later.

On 26 November 2009, one day after the axing of the local A Current Affair was announced, Kelly Nestor announced live on air that her contract as Kelvin's weeknight co-anchor would not be renewed and she would finish on 18 December 2009.

On 22 February 2010, it was announced that senior reporter Michael Smyth would be joining Rob Kelvin at the newsdesk.

On 31 October 2010, Rob Kelvin announced that he would retire from the newsdesk after 32 years on the air. He would present his last bulletin on 31 December 2010 after 27 years anchoring the news. However, News Director, Tony Agars announced that Kelvin would continue to present the occasional special report and fill-in a few times a year when required. Kate Collins replaced Kelvin, joining Smyth at the news desk.

In October 2011, it was announced that Michael Smyth and Georgina McGuinness would not have their contracts renewed. From the end of November 2011 until December 2013, Kate Collins presented the bulletin solo on weeknights and Will McDonald replaced McGuinness as presenter for weekend bulletins at the end of December 2011.

Despite the national dominance of Nine News for many years, the Adelaide bulletin has failed to match the same ratings success seen in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane, and remains the lowest-rating news program in its market, formerly trailing rival Seven News Adelaide by around 100,000 viewers. This is reflected in the frequent position changes that have taken place at NWS over the years since it last won the local ratings in 2007.

Presenters and reporters
News presenters
 * Kate Collins (Weeknights, 2011–present)
 * Brenton Ragless (Weeknights, 2014–present)
 * Will McDonald (Weekends, 2011–present)

Sports presenters
 * Warren Tredrea (Weeknights, 2013–2021)
 * Tom Rehn (Weekends, 2015–2022, Weekdays, 2022-present)
 * Corey Norris (Weekends, 2022 present)

Weather presenters
 * Jessica Braithwaite (Weeknights, 2016–present)
 * Chelsea Carey (Weekends, 2019-present)

News reporters
 * Ben Avery
 * Alice Monfries
 * Harvey Biggs
 * Ollie Haig
 * Kelly Hughes
 * Inga Neilsen
 * Beth Excell
 * Shannen McDonald
 * Michaela Komarek
 * Dylan Smith
 * Will Di Fulvio
 * April Cretan
 * Samantha Hogan
 * Ben Terry
 * Gus MacDonald
 * Josiephene Shannon

Sport reporters
 * Tom Rehn
 * Corey Norris
 * Jack Berketa
 * Will Crouch
 * Josh Money
 * Vicki Schwarz
 * Emma Henderson

Notable past presenters

 * Caroline Ainslie – Weeknight Presenter, 1977–1987 (Now Retired)
 * Elise Baker – broke the news of Phil Walsh's death on Today in July 2015 (now a reporter on Seven News Adelaide)
 * Sue Baron – Meteorologist, 1970s (Moved to ADS-7, later ADS-10 in 1980s as News Presenter. Now Retired)
 * Mark Bickley – Weekend Sports, 2004–2009 (Now co-host of the afternoon Sports Show on talk-back radio station FiveAA)
 * James Brayshaw – Sports Reporter, 2002 (Now a commentator for the Seven Network)
 * Jarrad Brevi – Now with Nine News Sydney
 * Nona Burden – Presenter/Reporter, 1970s–1980s
 * Grant Cameron – Weekend Weather Presenter, 1979–1980s (Now with SAS)
 * Roger Cardwell – Weeknight Presenter, 1974–1983 (Now retired)
 * Jeremy Cordeaux – Cordeaux's Adelaide 1980s
 * Kevin Crease – Weeknight Presenter, 1960s–1974 and 1987–2007 (Deceased)
 * Steve Cropper – Presenter/Reporter, 1980s
 * K. G. Cunningham – Weekend Sports Presenter, 1975–2003 (Now with SAS)
 * Joel Dry – Reporter, 2009–2011 (now with Seven News Brisbane)
 * Tony Curtis – Presenter/Reporter, 1970s–1980s
 * Troy Gray – Weekend Sports Presenter, 2008–2012
 * John Doherty – Presenter, 1959–1960s (Now Retired)
 * Sue Ellbourne – Weather, 1970s
 * Georgina McGuinness – Weekend Presenter, 1987–2011
 * Michael Smyth – Weeknight Presenter, 2008–2011

 * Sue Garrard – Presenter/Reporter 1980s
 * Clive Hale – Presenter, 1970s (Went on to become national anchor for the ABC, now deceased.)
 * Paris Martin – Reporter (now with 10 News First Queensland)
 * Keith Martyn – Weather, 1996–2007 (Retired, does occasional special news stories)
 * Xavier Minniecon – Weekend Weather, 1997–2011
 * Ray McGhee – Senior Reporter, 1979–2007 (Owns Mortgage Broker business and formerly an independent candidate in the 2010 Australian federal election in the seat of Boothby)
 * Kelly Nestor – Weeknight Presenter, 2007–2009 (Now with AdelaideNOW)
 * Barry Pitman – Weather, 1981–1996
 * John Riddell – Weekend Presenter/Senior Reporter, 1981–1989 (Chief Presenter at SAS, Retired)
 * Eliza Rugg – Reporter (now with Nine News Melbourne)
 * Rob Kelvin – Weekday Presenter, 1979–2010 (current stand-in presenter)
 * Jessica Rich – Presenter/Reporter, 2001–2004 (Now reporter at TCN-9 Sydney)
 * Peter Sellen
 * Deanna Williams – Presenter/Senior Reporter/State Political Reporter, 1990–2002 (Now Senior Reporter at SAS)
 * Anne Wills – Weather, 1960s (Moved on to other networks hosting various programs. Became known as Ms Adelaide. Now retired)
 * Kym Dillon – Sports Reporter/Weeknight then Weekend Sports Presenter, 1991–2015 (Made redundant)
 * Virginia Langeberg – Weeknight Weather Presenter 2014–2015

News bulletin titles

 * NWS-9 News, Sport and Weather (1959–1965)
 * Channel 9 News (1960s–early 1970s)
 * National Nine News (early 1970s, 1976–1980, 1987–2008)
 * Nine Eyewitness News (1974–1976)
 * Nine Action News (1981–1986)
 * Nine News (2008–present)

title: NWS (TV station)


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