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Talk:Bey

Deletion
"Bey is a common Turkish surname." This apparently harmless statement has been deleted, whether knowledgeably or as another of those opaque Turkic "issues" I can't tell. (Is it Albanian or something?) I don't have an Istanbul phonebook. The Turkish Wikipedia returns 24 hits for "bey" out of 2012 articles. I'm at a loss. Can someone help out? --Wetman 12:05, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

bey is the most common used title like MR. in English, I have never heard of it as a surname becouse it is used after the name like Mehmet Bey, Osman Bey, so if is was used as a surname it would be really odd.

Bahamian pronunciation of "boy"
I moved this here, without editing: "*Bey used in The Bahamas a common slang used to replace the word boy. Often ended at the end of sentences similarly to the way "dude" is used 24.244.133.152 17:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC) Oscar Moore" --Wetman 02:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica
BEY (a modern Turk. word, the older form being beg, cf. Pers. baig), the administrator of a district, now generally an honorific title throughout the Turkish empire; the granting of this in Egypt is made by the sultan of Turkey through the khedive. In Tunis "bey" has become the hereditary title of the reigning sovereigns (see Tunisia).--3210 16:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe that in modern "Soveriegn Movements" and the "Moorish" movement that many men add the name "Bey" to their name to declare themselves as belonging to that movement, and as a personal expression (as they consider themselves under the power of no other Principality but themselves).

(You can look it up... I've met "Moorish" representative in Court, but they do not have licenses to practice law and Judges tell them to sit down, but they insist that the U.S. Constitution allows them certain things that "Constitutional Law", however, does NOT grant them (i.e. ability to represent an individual or give legal advise).

The 1911 Edition of Encyclopaedia Britannica about Yuruks, Kailars Turks beys and Konariotes
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The first Turkish immigration from Asia Minor took place under the Byzantine emperors before the conquest of the country. The first purely Turkish town, Yenije-Vardar, was founded on the ruins of Vardar in 1362. After the capture of Salonica (1430), a strong Turkish population was settled in the city, and similar colonies were founded in Monastir, Ochrida, Serres, Drama and other important places. In many of these towns half or more of the population is still Turkish. A series of military colonies were subsequently established at various points of strategic importance along the principal lines of communication. Before 1360 large numbers of nomad shepherds, or Yuruks, from the district of Konya, in Asia Minor, had settled in the country; their descendants are still known as Konariotes. Further immigration from this region took place from time to time up to the middle of the 18th century. After the establishment of the feudal system in 1397 many of the Seljuk noble families came over from Asia Minor; their descendants may be recognized among the beys or Moslem landowners in southern Macedonia . At the beginning of the 18th century the Turkish population was very considerable, but since that time it has continuously decreased. A low birth rate, the exhaustion of the male population by military service, and great mortality from epidemics, against which Moslem fatalism takes no pre-cautions, have brought about a decline which has latterly been hastened by emigration

The Turkish rural population is found in three principal groups:
 * the most easterly extends from the Mesta to Drama, Pravishta and Orfano, reaching the sea-coast on either side of Kavala, which is partly Turkish, partly Greek.
 * The second, or central group begins on the sea-coast, a little west of the mouth of the Strymon, where a Greek population intervenes, and extends to the north-west along the Kara-Dagh and Belasitza ranges in the direction of Strumnitza, Veles, Shtip and Radovisht.
 * The third, or southern, group is centred around Kailar, an entirely Turkish town, and extends from Lake Ostrovo to Selfije (Servia). The second and third groups are mainly composed of Konariot shepherds. Besides these fairly compact settlements there are numerous isolated Turkish colonies in various parts of the country. The Turkish rural population is quiet, sober and orderly, presenting some of the best characteristics of the race. Apostolos Margaritis 10:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)--3210 22:50, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Spelling of Efendi
Though Effendi is a common spelling, for different reasons of which none is relevant to the Turkish /Turkic spelling, the only correct orthography since Turkish have been romanized is efendi. Korenyuk 18:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Bey
Hi Korenyuk, I think you misconceived something. Bayan is not the feminine equivalent of Bey. Bey's feminine counterpart is Hanım and Bay's feminine counterpart is Bayan. Bey or Hanım always comes after the name, and contrarily Bay or Bayan always comes before the name. Although Bey and Bay share the same origin, we make a clear distinction between them. In this case your comparison in the article becomes wrong. Any comments welcome! Chapultepec 22:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Moved from article for discussion
I am dubious about these items, which I have moved here from the body of the article. Would anyone care to justify them? In any case I'd suggest they need a reliable source. Man vyi (talk) 13:45, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Bey Robbins, leader of Team Bey in New York City, established c. 2006. Other members are Busty Johnson, Hi David Feygin and Dantee Hyman
 * In some Cajun cultures, "Bey" is just a common household name that parents will call their child, a nickname. Example, Sean "Bey" Elliot (the BMW driver).
 * The title is still used in the southwest of England as a term of endearment.

plzz.. Beyzada removed
plz.. removed beyzada redirect... 18:43, 31 Aug 2012 User:Beypeople

POV
I have removed a POV section claiming that there are scholars claiming a derivation of "beg" from "baj". Three sources were attached to this claim:
 * “*bēǯu.” in Sergei Starostin, Vladimir Dybo, Oleg Mudrak (2003), Etymological Dictionary of the Altaic Languages, Leiden: Brill Academic Publishers
 * Ranko Matasović, Ljiljana Jojić, Vladimir Anić et al., eds. (2004), Hrvatski enciklopedijski rječnik (in Croatian) 2 (2nd ed.), Zagreb: Jutarnji list, ISBN 953-6045-28-1
 * Petar Skok (1988), Etimologijski rječnik hrvatskoga ili srpskoga jezika (in Croatian) 1, Zagreb: JAZU, pp. 104–105

Three sources in Croatian (!) and not a single one of them actually hinting to a connection of "beg" and "baj" ([sic!]; the word is pronunced "bai"), but simply explaining the meaning of "baj". If this is a serious claim, there should be no difficulty in finding a scholarly English publication. As for the word "bai" itself, it is generally agreed that it's also a loan-word from Iranian, in fact from the same Indo-European source: *bhag-. See Iranica: "Turkish took the title bäg, beg, and later bey; in early Turkish in Brāhmī script it was bhek, and in Byzantine Greek the Khazar title was written mékh. The form bägräk occurs in a Turfan Manichean source. In Arabic script the Turkish title was bag, baḵ, and bāk. ... Through connection with “possessions” the Iranian bāy gave Turkish bai “rich,” whence Mongol bayan “rich.”" (Harold Walter Bailey in Baga, Encyclopaedia Iranica). --Lysozym (talk) 11:52, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It looks like you were not able to decode even the ToB source properly. The introduced source in Croation still exists in the text, so what exactly was your point here? That sources in non-English languages are of lower quality, but not if they support Iranic Point Of Views? And where exactly did you see a difference between "to posses" and "to be rich"? And if you go by this extraordinary strange logic why didn't you reverted the entire edit? And last but not least, Iranica is mentioned in the text (as every other academic source has the right to be). So if you intend to downplay any Turkic connotations here, you are out of place. There are left too many questions in your doubtful allegations, hence there was no serious reason to revert. Edit should be maintained. --Etymologias (talk) 08:22, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * A long answer, but not a single proof for your claim. It is absolutely clear that you are not only pushing for POV, but that you are also falsifying sources. The sources in Croatian simply explain the meaning of "bai" (which you also misspelled as "baj", using the Croatian transliteration), but make no claims about "beg" being derived from "bai".
 * If your claims were not POV and were a serious claim, you would have absolutely no difficulty in finding a proper scholarly publication in English.
 * As for Iranica: it is an authoritative scholarly reference work. To disprove Iranica or to add to it, you need to come up with excellent scholarly publications. So, what can you tell about the authors in Croatian?!
 * Wikipedia is about the quality of sources. Either you come up with an excellent scholarly work (ideally published in English), or you leave this site alone and stop pushing your unscholastic and unencyclopedic POV. Read WP:SOURCE before further destroying this article. It is clearly stated: When quoting a non-English source (whether in the main text, in a footnote, or on the talk page), a translation into English should always accompany the quote . Translations published by reliable sources are preferred over translations by Wikipedians, but translations by Wikipedians are preferred over machine translations. When using a machine translation of source material, editors should be reasonably certain that the translation is accurate and the source is appropriate . Editors should not use machine translations of non-English sources in contentious articles or biographies of living people. If needed, ask an editor who can to translate it for you. And most important of all:  The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a reliable source that directly supports the material. Therefore, your nonsense will be removed until you can come up with a RELIABLE ACADEMIC SOURCE supporting your claim. But we all know that you won't find any ... --Lysozym (talk) 08:46, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * For the beginning, of course bai/baj/bay shares exactly the same root with bej/bek/beg. In both variations the vowel a/e varies with ~ä/ë/ā. Sometimes it is spoken as BI or BE, as it is in Kyrgyz (if you are interested in it you can read it up in Gerard Clauson: An Etymological Dictionary of Pre-Thirteenth-Century Turkish). The case is that we have 2 word stems in Turkic: BAY ("rich (person), noble; many, numerous; speech, lord") and BEY ("lord, chief"). I hope that you are able to understand at least this point. Secondly, the claim "beg" being derived from "bai" is not needed here, because there are currently existing two different etymological alternatives. So, the etymological starting point for Turkic is defined as "bay" and for Iranic as "beg". This is also the reason why Nişanyan Dictionary separates the two word stems clearly:
 * the Iranic version: bey in Nişanyan Dictionary (rooted in Proto-Indo-European)
 * the Turkic version: bay in Nişanyan Dictionary (rooted in prehistoric Turkic; the etymological explanations are seconded and completed by The Tower of Babel, an authoritative International Etymological Database Project)
 * All in all: reliable sources --> directly supporting the material, so it's highly inappropriate to accuse me of "source-falsification". In addition, the two online papers of Iranica (BAGA & BEG) are clearly confirming the coherency between those word stems. Maybe even the Turco-Mongol title bagatur shares the same root, but yet not for sure etymologized. --Etymologias (talk) 18:24, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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Bailiff?
Turkic isn't Indo-European, so I wouldn't ask but for the possibility of borrowing from nearby Persians or other Indo-Europeans. Is there any chance that "beylik" is, by some very long route, the same word as "bailiwick", which would make a "bey" the same thing as a "bailiff"?2604:2000:1383:8B0B:103:D4DB:AD9A:6C92 (talk) 21:16, 9 August 2020 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson

Merge proposal
Bey is clearly the same title as Baig. These should be merged. On another note, it might be moved depending on which one is more common because I'm confident "baig" is not a common spelling, and "bey" is largely used in Turkish. Aintabli (talk) 21:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

 * yes correct it should be merged Ahmadbinbilal02 (talk) 07:46, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, it has been more than a month. So, no one disagrees? Aintabli (talk) 21:30, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Unmerge Baig from Beg
Baig is a surname a very common surname in South Asia belonging to lineage of Mughal-Timurids who are Mongol in origin. It is unlinked in lineage and descent to the the Turkic use of the word 'Bey' which is not at all common in South Asia. The Timurid-Mughals with their descent of Baig come with their own history, naming conventions and different ranking in the Imperial structure of the Mughal Empire. In Turkic cultures 'Bey' just means 'Mr.'. In Mongolic culture of Timurid-Mughals in South Asia, it is the surname of a Prince of the ruling family and 'Begum/Baigum' for the Princesses.

Given widely different connotations, these two pages should be unmerged 2001:1A10:1590:4901:C851:D7D5:DFB3:53BE (talk) 16:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

 * Unless you can provide reliable sources for your claims, I oppose. Please also stop repeatedly restoring your favored version until you get consensus. Aintabli (talk) 18:15, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no documentation as such of this since this family was targeted by the invading British empire in India as it was the royal family. Furthermore the concept of surname didn't exist at the times of Mughal rule, but rather of tribal affiliations.
 * However, a simple google search on 'Baig' or linkedin search can show the popularity of the surname in South Asia that's descended from Mughal royal family as per their family history passed down to the generations. Hence demonstrating that it does not merely mean 'Mr.' like in Turkish.
 * I'm merely restoring the well written article that's been on wikipedia since ages that should not just be reduced to mean nothing by merging with 'Bey' with deletion of a huge amount of content from 'Baig' and being void of any information about the Mughal-Timurid use of 'Baig'. 37.210.49.142 (talk) 11:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * https://www.geni.com/surnames/baig 2001:1A10:1590:4901:5B16:E9DA:C3EA:3D14 (talk) 11:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no documentation as such No sources == no content Neither Geni nor LinkedIn are reliable sources, and the article from Geni reads The name "Baig" is derived from the Turkic word Beg, or Bey, anyways.
 * I'm merely restoring the well written article that's been on wikipedia since ages No, that it stayed as a standalone page does not mean that was appropriate. A quick glance at the article would tell one that it was a poorly-sourced WP:REDUNDANTFORK. Your job here is to prove that Baig and Bey are completely unrelated, and at this point, you have not shown any reliable sources, and even the non-RS you've shared tells the opposite. Please stop edit-warring until consensus supports your view.
 * Aintabli (talk) 18:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vladimir Yepes

Vladimir Yepes was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE

Vanity, nearly no google hits. andy 12:11, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I was hoping this would be an article on the up-and-coming concert pianist out of Honduras who already has had his NYC debut. But alas, it's just some nerd with a computer program no one I known has heard of. —ExplorerCDT 19:13, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Forgot to vote Delete. —ExplorerCDT 20:18, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: DCEdwards1966 20:08, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, vanity ad. Wyss 23:55, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity. utcursch 08:53, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, vanity. Possibly userfy if anon registers in time. Alphax (talk) 05:04, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)

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Arkadi Ghukasyan

Arkadi Arshaviri Ghukasyan (Արկադի Արշավիրի Ղուկասյան; born 22 June 1957) is an Armenian politician who served as the second President of the self-proclaimed Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. He was elected as the President on 8 September 1997 and re-elected in 2002, until his term ended on 7 September 2007 and was succeeded by Bako Sahakyan. He was detained by Azerbaijani forces after the 2023 Azerbaijani offensive in Nagorno-Karabakh and is currently facing criminal charges in Azerbaijan.

Biography
Arkadi Ghukasyan was born in Stepanakert in the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Republic of the Azerbaijan SSR on 22 June 1957. He graduated from Yerevan State University with a degree in linguistics in 1979. He started his career as a correspondent for the newspaper ("Soviet Karabakh"), becoming its deputy editor-in-chief in 1981.

In 1991, Ghukasyan was elected to the first parliament of the newly declared Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR). In September 1992, he was appointed political adviser to the Chairman of the State Defense Committee, and headed the NKR's delegations during OSCE-mediated negotiations with Azerbaijan.

Ghukasyan was a member of Nagorno-Karabakh's Security Council since 1993. On 23 July 1993, he became the first Foreign Minister of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.

He survived an assassination attempt in 2000. Samvel Babayan, whom he had recently sacked as defence minister, was convicted of organising the attack and sentenced to 14 years in prison. Babayan was released from imprisonment on 18 September 2004 due to health concerns, with the terms of release including a probationary period and continued disenfranchisement.

In 2015, it was reported that Ghukasyan was the unofficial leader of the Artsakh Republican Party.

On 3 October 2023, Ghukasyan and two other former presidents of Artsakh, Bako Sahakyan and Arayik Harutyunyan, together with former president of the National Assembly Davit Ishkhanyan, were detained by the State Security Service of Azerbaijan and brought to Baku. Ghukasyan and the other arrested former officials are reportedly facing "grave criminal charges" in Azerbaijan.

Personal life
He has divorced once and remarried.

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Groove

Groove or Grooves may refer to:

Music

 * Groove (music)
 * Groove (drumming)
 * The Groove (band), an Australian rock/pop band of the 1960s
 * The Groove (Sirius XM), a US radio station
 * Groove 101.7FM, a former Perth, Australia, radio station
 * Groove (Eurogliders album), 1988
 * Groove (Billy Crawford album), 2009
 * Groove (Richard "Groove" Holmes album), 1961
 * "The Groove" (song), a 1980 song by Rodney Franklin
 * Groove Music, Microsoft software
 * Groove Records, record label
 * "Groove", a song by Exo from Obsession
 * "Groove", song by Jay Haze from A Bugged Out Mix
 * "Groove", a single by Jack & Jack, 2014
 * "The Groove", 2003 song by Muse, B-side to "Time Is Running Out"
 * The Groove, a dance club in the Universal CityWalk section of Universal Orlando Resort

Other uses

 * Grooves (archaeology), long and narrow indentations
 * Groove (engineering), a long and narrow indentation built into a material
 * Groove (film), a 2000 US film
 * Groove (joinery), a slot cut parallel to the grain
 * Grooves (magazine), a music magazine
 * Chevrolet Groove, a concept car model, then a sport utility vehicle model sold since 2020
 * Microsoft Office Groove, older name of Microsoft SharePoint Workspace
 * Major and minor groove, the spaces between two strands of a DNA double-helix

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Talk:F. Holland Day

Use of "Christ" versus "Jesus"
I reverted two relatively unimportant changes, substitutions of the word "Jesus" for "Christ," because in context it seems appropriate to use the language F. Holland Day and his contemporaries would have used. Also, the "seven last words of Christ" is the common form, 12,000 Google hits on exact phrase versus "Seven last words of Jesus."

The use of the word "simplify" for the edit comment seems dishonest to me.

The substitution of the word "Jesus" for "Christ" seems to me to imply a point of view, specifically a point of view that does not accept that the historical person Jesus was necessarily the Messiah. Regardless of the merits, there's no reason to inject such a point of view into an article about a photographer of the 1900s who pictorialized a religious theme. It would be similar to saying that Mel Gibson's film depicts "the Passion of Jesus." It doesn't make sense because the very language "the Passion" implies a Christian point of view.

Such a point of view could be appropriate for certain articles, but Day himself was trying to present a conventionally pious point of view. The "seven last words of Christ" belong to scriptural tradition, not historical fact. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 12:16, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * The original version had a link labeled Christ which redirected to Jesus Christ which in turn is a redirect to Jesus. I simplified that, labeling it "Jesus" which is where the link wound up to start with.  It made sense to change the other reference to "Jesus" to match, for simplicity.  I have absolutely no problem with changing the second reference back to Christ if that better fits your views. Please don't make assumptions about my motives, however. Jonathunder 21:05, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)

 * I apologize for misconstruing your motives. Sorry about that. I've since discovered that you've been systematically fixing double-redirects to Jesus in many articles.

 * My last edit to the wording is:

 * ...using himself as a model for Jesus. Neighbors in Norwood, Massachusetts assisted him in an outdoor photographic reenactment of the Crucifixion. This culminated in his series of self-photographs, The Seven Words, depicting the seven last words of Christ.
 * Obviously, I'm happy with that wording. I think the use of Jesus rather than Christ makes sense. He is presumably using himself as the model for the human being, Jesus. So (obviously, since it's my last edit) I'm happy with

 * I don't care whether that reference is linked or not—my personal perference is not, but then I tend to like less linking that many Wikipedians do. But if you think it should be linked I'd certainly have no problem with

 * ...using himself as a model for Jesus. Neighbors in Norwood, Massachusetts assisted him in an outdoor photographic reenactment of the Crucifixion. This culminated in his series of self-photographs, The Seven Words, depicting the seven last words of Christ."

 * Finally, I don't see any need at all for the two references to use the same word, but you have a strong feeling that it should that the same word should be used both time, I'd have no problem with

 * ...using himself as a model for Christ. Neighbors in Norwood, Massachusetts assisted him in an outdoor photographic reenactment of the Crucifixion. This culminated in his series of self-photographs, The Seven Words, depicting the seven last words of Christ."

 * Yes, I'm overanalyzing. Again, my apologies; I misinterpreted and overreacted to your edit. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 23:59, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Opel Commodore

The Opel Commodore is an executive car (E-segment) produced by Opel from 1967 to 1982. It is the six-cylinder variant of the Rekord with styling differences. The Commodore nameplate was used by Opel from 1967 to 1982. However, its nameplate/lineage continued until 2020 with the Australian Holden Commodore. The last generation was sold in the United Kingdom primarily as the Vauxhall Viceroy although Opel models were also sold.

Commodore A (1967–1971)
The Opel Commodore A was manufactured from 1967 to 1971, based on the Rekord C. After having offered a Rekord-6 powered by a 2.6 L 6-cylinder engine (which originated in the Opel Kapitän and Admiral) since March 1964, Opel in February 1967 launched the Commodore as a faster up-market version of the Rekord. The Commodore was initially available with the known the 2.2-litre six and a larger 2.5 L engine developing 115 PS with a single carburettor. The 2239 cc engine with which the Commodore was launched shared its 82.5 x 69.8 mm cylinder dimensions with the four-cylinder 1492 cc Rekord engine on which it was based. The unit was first seen in the short-lived six-cylinder version of the Opel Rekord towards the end of 1966, but ceased to be offered in the Rekord after July 1967 when it became the entry level power unit for the newly introduced Opel Commodore. Body styles comprised a two-door or four-door notchback saloon and a two-door hardtop/fastback coupé. In September 1967 the sporty Commodore GS offering 130 PS from a dual-carburettor 2.5-litre six was introduced.

For the 1969 model year, the carryover 2.2-litre six was dropped and the optional 2-speed Powerglide automatic was abandoned in favor of Opel's new 3-speed automatic transmission.

From September 1969, the base 2.5 L-engine was pumped up to 120 PS; at the same time, both remaining engines received hydraulic lifters for smoother running, a new exhaust system and six camshaft bearings. The handbrake lever was moved from its position under the dash to a location between the front seats and the fuel tank was enlarged from 55 to 70 litres.

An even more sporty model than the GS, the Commodore GS/E, debuted in March 1970. It had a 2.5 L engine equipped with Bosch D-jetronic fuel injection system developing 150 PS, which gave the car a top speed of 197 km/h. The Commodore GS/E also had a career in motorsports, with a car prepared by Steinmetz. In April 1970 a Commodore with a detuned and carburetted 2.8 L-six giving 145 PS followed (GS 2800).

156,330 Commodore As were built, including 2,574 GS and GS/E variants.

The Rekord C/Commodore A "V body" platform was used by GM to produce other models in many markets, these include the Ranger sold in mainland Europe and also in South Africa, as well as the GM Opala which was built and sold in South America from 1968 through to 1992. Ranger and Opala production commenced two years after the Commodore A's debut in 1966.

Today the name Commodore is a name synonymous with GM Holden of Australia. However, that wasn't always the case: The first-generation Holden Commodore actually is equivalent to the third-generation Opel Commodore.

GS/E History

All engines for the Commodore were 12 valve, CIH straight-six engines ranging from 2.2 to 2.8 litres. All but one engine option had single-barrel (2.2) or double-barrel (2.5; 2.8) downdraught carburetor. in 1970 the GS/E model was introduced which as its badge implies did not utilise carburetors, the "E" meaning Einspritzung or fuel injection in English.

Opels didn't have the reputation for performance cars in the period and they had seen the positive impact on sales for other race winning manufacturers on having performance models in their range of cars. Opel wanted to be in this area of the market and the results of this desire was the Commodore GS/E.

The carburettors were ditched in favour of a Bosch D-Jetronic, Bosch's first commercially produced electronic fuel injection system. Bosch D-Jetronic was a very early version of multi-point EFI, the “D” stood for “drucksensorgesteuert” (pressure sensor regulated). Unlike later Bosch fuel injection system, the injection was direct to the cylinder instead of via the Plenum inlets, which meant the a specific cylinder head was manufactured specifically for the engine, making this model unique and expensive to produce and purchase. Different from older mechanical injection systems, it incorporated taking input from the pressure inside the intake manifold. This is known as the Air Mass Sensor or in modern terms this would be known as the MAP-sensor (manifold absolute pressure), a part that's commonly found in more modern vehicles.

Bosch sold the patent to Japanese companies that continue to produce injection systems based on D-Jetronic.

D-Jetronic fuel injection was installed onto the 2.5 litre engine with the modified cylinder head, increasing power by 20 bhp, making it more powerful than the larger 2.8 litre engine. The fuel injected engine, named 2500 E, now produced 150 hp at 5,800 rpm and 196 Nm of torque at 4,500 rpm with an unchanged compression ratio of 9.5:1. For comparison, the base model Porsche 911T in 1970 had 25 PS less, but was more expensive. The GS/E could accelerate from 0–100 km/h (62 mph) in 9.5 seconds, a similar value to the same period Porsche 911. It could also reach a top speed of 192 km/h.

The GS/E Coupe model is known affectionately as the "German Charger".

Commodore B (1972–1977)
The Commodore B was based on the Rekord D, and launched in 1972. As in the previous generation, four models were offered: 2500 S, 2500 GS, 2800 GS, and 2800 GS/E, as a four-door saloon and two-door hardtop coupé (although the fastback design was replaced by a more conventional three-box design). Power of the 2.5-litre engine was 115 or depending on the specifications (25S/25H), while carburetted 2.8-liters had 130 or. The fuel injected 2.8 used in the GS/E has 160 PS.

The Rekord and Commodore were also assembled as CKD kits in Belgium and Switzerland in the 1970s. These cars carried the name Ranger and differed from the originals in having different grilles and trim. These cars were exported to various countries.

In 1974, due to new regulations regarding pollutant emissions, the 2.5-litre models were dropped and the 2.8 L models were detuned to 129 /. Commodore B production ended in 1977.

The Commodore B series was like the A series briefly used in motorsports, and the extreme "Jumbo" Commodore raced in the 1974 "interserie". It used a 6.0-litre V8 engine and had large wings which almost made it unrecognizable as an Opel. It never enjoyed much success despite its massive powerplant and impressive output.

Foreign assembly
Opel Commodores were also built in Iran between 1974 and 1976 under the name Chevrolet Iran 2800, 2500 , Royal and Custom with both 2.5 L and 2.8 L engines by Pars Khodro (General Motors Iran). The first Royale, also the first Chevrolet car built in Iran, left the production line on 15 January 1974. The Royale sold well initially, but the car had not been re-engineered for Iranian conditions and the low ground clearance coupled with carburettor troubles led to its reputation quickly being tarnished. The car was withdrawn by early 1977, replaced by the locally-built versions of the Buick Skylark, Chevrolet Nova, and Cadillac Seville (American origins).

It was also assembled in South Africa, where it was called the Chevrolet 2500, 3800, and 4100, and was a top seller in that market. These received inline-four or -six engines of Chevrolet origins, built locally.

Commodore C (1978–1982)
The Commodore C was first shown in late 1977, at the same time as the Rekord E. It only entered series production in October the following year, however. The South African version of this car, the Chevrolet Commodore, was actually ahead of the European original model to enter production, in September 1978. The Commodore continued to be a larger and more luxurious version of the Rekord. There was no coupé version of the Commodore C, as it was replaced by the Opel Monza, the coupé version of the Opel Senator, but a two-door notchback saloon was available until June 1981. The single engine used by the Commodore in Europe was the well-known straight-six 2.5-litre unit with 115 PS or 130 PS when fitted with fuel injection.

The Commodore C was never a success, occupying an uncomfortably narrow niche between the Rekord and Senator. Another concern was the fuel mileage, with a fuel injected Commodore taking considerably more fuel than the larger three-liter Senator. The outdated engine also had little torque available at lower engine speeds, and was noisy.

The new model featured a similar front end to the larger Senator. It was sold in the UK under the name Vauxhall Viceroy, with the Viceroy being a slightly more luxurious version of the Carlton. There was an estate version (dubbed the "Voyage" in Germany) offered in the Opel range from April 1981 until the end of production in 1982, which became a mainstay in the Holden range in Australia and was also available in the Chevrolet range in South Africa. It was never offered by Vauxhall in the UK as a Viceroy, although a one-off estate car was built in 1981 for Queen Elizabeth II, for her to carry her Corgi dogs. The car still survives today, one of only 15 Vauxhall Viceroys left registered in the UK, as of 2006.

The Commodore was dropped by Opel in Europe and was replaced by the Opel Omega, which occupied a higher class than the Rekord, like the Commodore once did. It is this model which the early Holden Commodore models were based on, introduced in late 1978, and eventually replaced (after several facelifts) in 1988, with the VN Commodore, a model based on the then-current Senator and Omega models.

Manufacture elsewhere
It was the Opel Commodore and Vauxhall Viceroy that formed the basis for the first Holden Commodore in Australia, and was sold in South Africa as the Chevrolet Commodore until 1982, when it was rebadged as an Opel. The South African Commodore was introduced in July 1978, at the same time as the Rekord E went on sale there. These originally had Chevrolet engines, pushrod inline-sixes of 3.8 or 4.1 liters. Sold as a standard or a GL (with the 4.1 only available as a sedan with automatic transmission), the South African version replaced the earlier Chevrolet 3800 and 4100, also based on the Commodore.

However, in South Africa, General Motors South Africa (later Delta) offered a revised version of the Commodore until 1986, again combining the bodyshell of the Rekord with the front end of the revised Senator. It was also sold there with the same 3-litre inline-six, producing 180 PS.

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Sharune was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE

Non-notable mud. --fvw *  12:23, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)
 * Delete Cdc 17:15, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete; muds inherently non-notable. (Speaking as someone who runs one.) --Korath会話 19:34, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: DCEdwards1966 20:07, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete as mudcruft. Wyss 23:54, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Mud. utcursch 08:48, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Mudcruft. I like that one. Sadly, I don't like this article. Delete. Alphax (talk) 05:03, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)

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There is deffinitely a school of neo-surrealism developing now, Surrealism could just as easily have been refered to as an anti-art movement like dadaism. Neo surrealism is a pro-art movement geared against the modern culture (i't could of course be still defined as an anti art movement as modern art nowadays is anti-art in arts traditional sense) of creating works of art that couldn't be hung on walls.

So to summarise neo-surrealism is a n emerging school which fuses the classical styles of art and the dadaist/surealist antiart, to become a new more traditional school of ART.

 * And there's the point in a nutshell: Neo-surrealism may be developing now, but Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. Once neo-surrealism has become an established streaming, it will merit an article. See No original research.  --fvw *  12:28, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)


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Talk:Toyota Camry

Adding info on JDM cars
Do u mind if I add some info on JDM as well as European Camrys?? Would u mind me putting it as a subsection within each generation??

Senna6094

 * I don't want to make it seem like permission is required—but, I have absolutely no objection to inclusion of Euro/JDM information in the article. I encourage it, and I'm looking forward to reading about cars that I don't see every day.  --Milkmandan 02:08, 2005 Apr 17 (UTC)

I asked cos the article is already very impressive, & I'm sure u've spent a lot of time on it, including the layout design. The Camry has a complicated model branchline (as most Japanese cars in the 70/80/90's do), so it would be very easy to make the article hard to read by not giving thought to the article's layout, as there are a lot of extra info.

Senna6094

years, and engines missed
i was looking through the Camry section, and found that you forgot the 1992-1993 V6 motor. it was the 3.0L 4 cam 3VZ-FE. Also the third generation was from 1992-1996. (this was on the right hand column)

Wrong Transmission Descriptions
The A140E is a four speed (three speed + overdrive), just like the A540's and A541s

Kanye West
Moved this in from the article, doesn't make much sense to me: "Toyota Camry is mention alot when rapper Kanye West Raps in DJ Khaled Grammy Family"

miles per gallon?
I think this article, and indeed all articles about various makes of automobiles, should include information about miles per gallon. It could go in the little "stat" box on the right, even.

I suggest this because that is why *I* looked this article up, but was not able to find the information. Mpg is increasingly becoming a bigger and bigger concern for drivers.

India production
Gonna leave these links here:
 * https://www.autocarindia.com/car-news/toyota-camry-facelift-revealed-419257
 * https://www.autocarindia.com/car-news/new-toyota-camry-india-bound-in-2019-409274

There are further search hits for relevant terms.

Samsara 02:15, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

 * That tells us about India sales but says nothing about India production.  Stepho  talk 20:57, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

2023/2024 facelifts vs new generations
Does anybody know (and I mean really know, not just guessing) if the Camry being released in Nov 2023 is a face-lift or a new generation? Same question for Nov 2024. A face-lift will continue the XU70 model code. A new generation will have a new model code (presumably XU80 but Toyota do like to break their own pattern). From recent press teases, I'm not quite clear if they are representing the the same vehicle release or teasing 2 separate releases a year apart.  Stepho  talk 06:40, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Change.org petition
Anonymous users—who I suspect are sockpuppets of the same person, based on their awkward grammar—have repeatedly added information to the XV80 section about a a change.org petition that has, as I write this, gathered about 200 signatures (about one signature per 41 million residents of the planet, so it's not exactly a mass movement). Can we build consensus that this information is non-encyclopedic WP:CRUFT that is inappropriate to add to this article per WP:UGC and WP:NOTEVERYTHING? I can envision Wikipedia automotive articles drowning in trivial or puerile online petitions if this sort of thing is allowed to stand. Carguychris (talk) 21:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

 * Agreed, it is cruft. With such a small number of signatures compared to the cost of developing that engine to meet emission laws and the cost of certifying it (a non-trivial amount), Toyota is almost certainly going to ignore it.  Stepho  talk 22:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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Saint Andrew, Guernsey

Saint Andrew (Guernésiais: Saint Andri; Saint-André-de-la-Pommeraye) is located in the centre of Guernsey and as such is the only parish on the island to be landlocked.

As it is customary to list the parishes round the coast, either clockwise or anti-clockwise, starting with St Peter Port, St Andrew is usually the last parish to be mentioned in such a list. This gave rise to the traditional nickname in Dgèrnésiais of the inhabitants of the parish: les croinchaons (the siftings, what is left behind in the sieve).

General
Saint Andrew is located in the centre of the island and features hills and valleys. It is split into two parts, one bordering St Peter Port and one bordering St Saviour and the Forest. The upper part of the parish where the church and the Little Chapel is situated is very rural. The parish is mainly agricultural, Best's quarry now being used for water storage. St Andrews is the most expensive parish for buying property in Guernsey, closely followed by St Pierre Du Bois and St Saviour. The postal code for street addresses in this parish begins with GY6.

Features
The features of the parish include:
 * Churches:
 * Saint Andrew parish church
 * The Monnaie Chapel
 * La Villiaze Church
 * The Little Chapel, which is believed to be the world's smallest consecrated church.
 * Military:
 * Parish war memorial inside church
 * German Military Underground Hospital
 * German fortifications, built during the occupation 1940-45
 * Abreuvoirs (places for cattle to drink)
 * A number of protected buildings

The parish of Saint Andrew hosts:
 * St Andrew Douzaine
 * Princess Elizabeth Hospital
 * Les Bourgs Hospice
 * Grammar School
 * Blanchelande College
 * Specsavers Optical Group
 * St Andrew water storage reservoir
 * Various hotels and restaurants

Politics
St Andrew comprises part of the South East administrative division with St Martin.

In the 2016 Guernsey general election there was a 3,363 or 73% turnout to elect five Deputies. Those elected (in order of votes received) being Heidi Soulsby, Lindsay De Sausmarez, Peter Roffey, Rob Prow and Victoria Oliver.

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Bristol Centre
Thanks for your work on this, it's coming on well. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:46, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's an obsession! Castle Park now done and up RedSquirrel (talk) 23:21, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Castle Green
I was only aware it was a street from the images. I first came across the Castle Green reference to the park when i was looking up info for a London suburb. Feel free to change the captions. Oh and your link to the pre-war map is not working. Simply south...... 18:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Which one? RedSquirrel (talk) 18:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Btw, just nominated it at DYK if that is okay. Simply south...... 17:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Excellent! More people should know about it! RedSquirrel (talk) 19:47, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I added ALT3 to the template but is it right? Please check it out. Simply south...... 23:30, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

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I saw your note at where you said: I have to say that it rather smarts to be wrongly accused - no, convicted - of 'flagrant abuse of copyright' after seven and a helf years of doing my best to do no such thing. Hey ho

I agree.

I have an item on my to do list to rewrite some of our template messages. While I take copyright issues very seriously, I don't think we need such language in cases where it is likely someone made an honest mistake. However, I don't see the specific language you quoted - can you tell me where it appeared?-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  12:51, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I was mis-paraphrasing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#F9; the actual word was 'blatant' which I accept is less incendiary than 'flagrant'. Actually I don't know how the image was tagged as it was deleted before I had an opportunity to respond! I do appreciate (more now than ever!) what a minefield this whole copyright issue is... RedSquirrel (talk) 14:08, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I hope it didn't come across that I was criticizing your word choice - I want to make some changes, but want an inventory of the phrases in use, and didn't recognize the one you used, so wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a source. In fact, your response is helpful, as I had in mind to work on the templates, but of course, the templates provide links so that wording ought to be reviewed as well. Yes, copyright is a minefield. The more I work in it, the more I realize how much I don't know. However, that doesn't excuse the project- we need to be a little more AGF when it comes to inevitable, honest mistakes.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  14:23, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No, not at all - I am embarrassed to have so misquoted.RedSquirrel (talk) 15:06, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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Apology
Just one thing - I'm sorry if I've offended you by drawing attention to your newness and making an unwanted edit in your specialist area. You do need to be fairly thick-skinned here, and choose your battles, in order to avoid upsetting yourself as well as other people, over issues that aren't particularly important in the grand scheme of things. I still get cross or upset several times a day and I just want to reassure you that, if ever you need help, I will be only too happy to offer it. Deb (talk) 16:41, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem at all, though after 13 years of editing I don't really consider myself new!RedSquirrel (talk) 16:50, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, what are all those long gaps about? Were you editing anonymously in between? (I'm asking out of pure curiosity.) Deb (talk) 07:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I edit Wikipedia when I have time and I think I have something useful to add; when I don't have time or I don't think I have anything useful to add I stop. I have one account, and I have never intentionally edited anonymously.RedSquirrel (talk) 08:50, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
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