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Talk:Crystal Palace transmitting station

Comment
There should be an article about the nearby Croydon Transmitter, which is a similar height and design, but stands on a slightly lower elevation. Lee M 01:34, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Bromley
According to some maps and Microsoft AutoRoute 2006 the Crystal Palace Transmitter is in the London Borough of Bromley.

LONDON UK    •  (UTC) • 15:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I've now researched this, and the tower is definitely located in the borough of Bromley. This map from the Croydon Council website clearly shows Croydon borough ending at the junction of Church Road and Westow Hill.  The tower is approximately 500 m to the north east of the junction, on the south side of Crystal Palace Road, which forms the boundary between Bromley to the south and Southwark to the north. Chillysnow 22:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

 * And for confirmation there is a Bromley Council sign outside of the transmitter. The boundary here runs along the Crystal Palace Parade main road. Regan123 15:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Article name
Back in the mists of time we had a big discussion about what to call all dozens of UK 'transmitter' articles, which were variously called transmitters, TV towers, TV masts, television towers, broadcasting stations etc., and we settled on 'transmitting station' as being the best, all things considered. That is why I am reverting the page move to that 'status quo' version. If anyone wants to change the name of this article, it needs to be done consistently many similar articles, so please discuss it at Category_talk:Transmitter_sites_in_the_United_Kingdom first.--Harumphy (talk) 11:25, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus to support move. JPG-GR (talk) 22:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

A discussion has opened on the more appropriate naming of articles in Category:Transmitter sites in the United Kingdom. The discussion has been moved to Category talk:Transmitter sites in the United Kingdom. The essence of the discussion, is that:
 * a) the term Crystal Palace transmitter or Foo transmitter is used more commonly than Crystal Palace transmitting station or Foo transmitting station and so fits with the advice of Name.
 * b) the term Crystal Palace transmitting station or Foo transmitting station is more technically accurate as the term Transmitter has a specific use which does not and should not be applied to the station as a whole. As this is a technical term, the naming policy does not apply.

The relevant wording of the advice from the Naming conventions is:

'''Generally, article naming should prefer what the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature.

'''This is justified by the following principle:
 * 'The names of Wikipedia articles should be optimized for readers over editors, and for a general audience over specialists''.

Wikipedia determines the recognizability of a name by seeing what verifiable reliable sources in English call the subject.

Reliable sources use both transmitter and transmitting station. Though transmitter is used more often and more commonly than transmitting station or transmitting site.

Input to the discussion is sought.  SilkTork  *YES! 18:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

 * It has been asserted that 'Foo transmitter' is used more commonly than 'Foo transmitting station' but this assertion has not been backed up by credible evidence from reliable sources.
 * It has been asserted that 'transmitting station' is a technical term which should therefore not be used, but we have been offered no explanation why 'transmitting station' is so much more technical a term than 'transmitter'.
 * The proposed move fails the 'reasonable minimum of ambiguity' test, because it uses the term 'transmitter', which is an electronic device, to describe a facility consisting of land and buildings in which one or more transmitters is installed.
 * If the page is moved, then logically all similarly-named articles in Category:Transmitter sites in the United Kingdom will have to be moved too. That is why I asked that discussion should take place in the talk page for that category. I note that having already lost the argument there, SilkTork now seeks a second bite of the cherry here. I resent this wasting of editors' time. --Harumphy (talk) 08:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree entirely with User:Harumphy, no change should be made. The use of the term "transmitter" to describe such installations is more than ambiguous, it is misleading and by copying the error on Wikipedia we will be compounding the fallacy.  This is the polar opposite of what an encyclopaedia is all about.

 * The Google count and most of the sources cited by User:SilkTork are either not applicable or cannot be considered reliable in a specialised subject such as this, since media journalists and the uninformed general public are prone to frequently use the wrong term. Many of the seemingly more reliable sources cited by SilkTork are referring to a service from the transmitting station, and not the station as a whole, such as , .  These citations and their associated Google count should therefore be discounted from this discussion.  By contrast there are copious quantities of genuinely reliable sources, such as , , , , ,   , , ,

 * In relation to the policy WP:Names, this subject is specialised by its nature, and I contend that no user who is unenlightened as to the difference between a transmitter and a transmitting station would find an article that used "transmitting station" in its title to be any less easily recognisable than one using "transmitter". In other words, to those who don't know, "transmitter" or "transmitting station" are equally recognisable terms for the same article.  It makes no sense therefore to opt for a common misconception and compound ignorance.  It is implicit in WP:Names that any two names up for consideration should at the very least both be correct.  However, as Harumphy has already mentioned, the use of the name "transmitter" to describe these installations is factually incorrect.  For both of these reasons therefore, this move should be rejected, which is entirely consistent with the spirit of WP:Names. Chillysnow (talk) 15:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree that no change should be made. It is absolutely apposite that a "transmitter" is not the same as a "transmitter site" (is the category to be renamed as well?), and it's an obvious extension of this logic that a "transmitting station" is also a distinct definition. Moreover, I get very concerned when Google hits are cited. This is nonsense as evidence. So many sites are references to each other, or even copies of each other, and often prepared by a small number of individuals, that they cannot reasonably be used as evidence of "common usage". – Kieran T  (' talk ') 16:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
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Early Problems
I lived near the transmitter when it started transmissions. Everyone from Anerley to Bromley lost their TV signal with the change over from Ally Palais to Crystal Palace. It turned out that the TVs of the day were overloaded by the strength of the signal. (It might have been designed with coverage of 60miles in mind but the signal was easily accessible in Holland and beyond). The problem was initially solved with "attenuators" which appeared on the market overnight. The ultimate solution was described on BBC news as beaming the signal over the nearby suburbs and providing a low power transmission for the immediate neighbourhood. If this has been documented, it deserves a mention. If it has not been documented, watch for my recollections appearing in the News Shopper, New Scientist or other primary source.

The early strength of the transmission was confirmed when reports of the Lewisham Rail Crash (December 1957) broadcast from the Crystal Palace transmitter were received in Alice Springs, Australia. This early example of Earth – Moon – Earth (EME) propagation (Moonbounce) does not appear in the Wikipedia section on DX TV. I saw it on BBC TV News (of course), so it must be true.

Ownership
So who owns and runs the transmitter facilities - the article mentions BBC & Five programming broadcast but that does not confirm my guess that it is owned and operated by the BBC itself ? David Ruben Talk 15:27, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

BBC station-names
There needs to be a style on whether these are written as e.g. BBC1 or BBC One. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 09:47, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

analogue switchoff
There can be amendments in the coming days because of analogue switchoff of BBC2 tomorrow and of BBC1, ITV and C4 on the 18th of this month. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 09:57, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Construction Film
Does anybody know where a copy of the 16mm film made by BICC which was available from BICC Film Library can be located? Tonysidcup (talk) 15:00, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's on this DVD: http://www.crystalpalacefoundation.org.uk/shop/john-logie-baird-tv/the-pleasure-garden-the-phoenix-tower Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:20, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Dubious
Surely the base area is 120 feet square, not 120 square feet? re/greg/ex ;{ mbox | history } 14:13, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes, you're right. Here's an authoritative source: . Harumphy (talk) 19:46, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Citation added. re/greg/ex ;{ mbox | history } 17:09, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

British Insulated Callender's Construction Co Ltd
Is that the same as British Insulated Callender's Cables? Harfarhs (talk) 21:05, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

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2018 frequency changes
On 21 March 2018 Com7 and Com8 moved to UHF channels 55 and 56 respectively and the local London multiplex moved to UHF channel 35, vacated by Com8, as part of the national strategy to clear the 700 MHz band for re-use by mobile phone companies. Don't know if any ERPs changed. It seems counter-intuitive to move two muxes both out of the A group and into the band that is supposed to be being cleared but the, at least interim, goal is to convert them to national single frequency networks on channels 55 and 56 respectively. Who knows what will happen to them when UHF channels 55 and 56 have to be cleared in 2020? Will they be moved back in group, or will they be closed permanently? How many households in the Crystal Palace reception area will waste money on a wideband aerials? 188.29.164.81 (talk) 18:05, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * 11 million people could waste money on a new aerial, but who knows how many will know the reason that Cbeebies HD / BBC News HD etc. disappeared? COM7 / COM8 used to fit in Group A before last week, so presumably could be "put back", but maybe the playing field will have changed by 2020 (change MUXs to DVB-T2, assume some natural churn in the channel assignments?) WikiWikiPhil (talk) 00:53, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The digitaluk.co.uk coverage checker page is showing an event dated 18 April 2018 in connection with the local London mux provided by Crystal Palace: "COM power-up" though there's no explanation as to what it means. I can't find any other reference to it. 83.104.249.240 (talk) 17:02, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

17dB?
The article says "Although DTT requires far less power to achieve the same coverage as analogue TV, this 17 dB difference is too large to ensure comparable coverage." 17 dB suggests a power ratio of 1017/10, or approximately 50. The original analogue ERP was 1 MW and the post-switchover ERP is 200 kW (both given but uncited earlier in the paragraph), which is a ratio of 5 or 10 × log10 5 ≈ 7 dB. So much for the mathematics, what then of the uncited assertion that "The station therefore has a range of about 30 miles (50 km) for DTT, compared with about 60 miles (90 km) for analogue."? Was this based on the false value of 17 dB or the actual value of 7 dB? Perhaps someone who understands UHF propagation better than me could comment. Maybe, as a first approximation, it's sufficient to say that it follows the inverse square law and since √5 is very approximately equal to 2 the range is approximately halved. If that is the case the correction would simply be to replace 17 dB with 7 dB and find a citation.

The manual conversions from miles to kilometres were inaccurate so I've replaced them with Template:Convert. 83.104.249.240 (talk) 18:07, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

 * I have done some research and found citations to support your mathematics, which have turned out to be correct. It turns out that whoever wrote the section about coverage mistakenly compared the pre-digital-switchover transmission power of 20 kW to the analogue power of 1 MW, which is where the 17dB figure comes from.  The post-digital-switchover power is 200 kW which is indeed 7dB lower than analogue as you correctly calculate.  I have also found a source that clearly states analogue and post-DSO coverage is expected to be comparable, so the assertion that the new coverage range has shrunk from 60 miles to 30 miles is just plain wrong.  I will now make the appropriate amendments with citations. Chillysnow (talk) 15:51, 28 March 2023 (UTC)


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Talk:United States National Park

Why is this page here?
Why is this article necessary? The National park article is already well-developed and National Park Service covers the particulars of the U.S. park system. Rmhermen 01:36, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

I doubt it is necessary. My vote is for a redirect to National Park Service. By the way, American gov't organizations usually don't mix United States and National. So National Park system of the United States is more proper than U.S. National Park system. Eoghanacht 20:59, 2005 Apr 8 (UTC)

i agree. -aptpupil79. also, the parks pass is now $80, not $50.

Redirect
It seems that most articles, link to this page to use it as a dictionary definiton, I link it would be better to re-direct this page to national park I am currently working on a re-write of the National Park Service article, that will include much of what is here

Any Objections?07:10, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

 * No objection from me. Please note that the article is actually lower case -- "national park" or "National park" rather than "National Park" (I changed your link above).  Also, don't forget to check for redirects. —  Eoghanacht  talk 14:09, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

List?
See how the German Wikipedia California article (scroll down) has a neat list of parks, nicely presented, and happily seen here.

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Talk:Neve Shalom Synagogue

= Comments =

Synagogues
There are many more or less prominent/significant synagogues with the name Neve Shalom. Shouldn't this article be under a more specific name? For instance "Neve Shalom synagogue, Istanbul" or "Neve Shalom (Istanbul)...? The page "Neve Shalom" ought to be a disambiguation page pointing to the village in Israel, the synagogues in Istanbul, Altona (Hamburg), Jamaica, etc. -- Olve 01:36, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Although I agree that there are many more synagogues that carry the name Neve Shalom, none of them except the one in Istanbul has an article on it in Wikipedia. Likewise, I would doubt that they have so many events going around them as the Istanbul synagogue, with three terrorist attacks and being the central synagogue, although this would definitely not disqualify them from having articles on themselves. A paragraph that would specify that there are indeed other synagogues that exist in many parts of the world with the same name could be added.

 * As to the village in Israel, the name of the article of the village is "Oasis of Peace", and the article mentions its equivalents in Hebrew and Arabic. I would be reluctant in having the current Neve Shalom article be renamed as a disambig page. There already is a disambig paragraph at the top of the page.--leandros 10:21, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I am thinking of writing articles about at least the Altona, Germany and Spanish Town, Jamaica synagogues, actually... :) -- Olve 19:03, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * That's great then! The Neve Shalom disambig article will be a great oasis of peace! I didn't know that this name was so common!--leandros 19:37, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Islam and antisemitism
Can someone justify what this article has to do with the "religion of Islam"?Bless sins 04:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, in this one I will agree with you. The synagogue per se has nothing to do with Islam and Antisemitism, it is the bombings which do. -- Avi 04:52, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Orthodox?
Jayjg has categorised Neve Shalom as an Orthodox Synagogue, but afaik there are no Orthodox communities in Istanbul, and Neve Shalom certainly is not Orthodox for that matter. Turkish synagogues should be listed in Category:Conservative synagogues. --leandros (talk) 10:45, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was technical close. I have reverted the move from "Neve Shalom Synagogue" to "Neve Şalom Synagogue". So that the article is back at the name it has had since 2005 ("Neve Shalom Synagogue"). user:E4024 if you want the article moved then please read WP:AT and then initiate a new WP:RM within the framework of the given policy and guidelines. -- PBS (talk) 16:10, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Neve Şalom Synagogue → Neve Shalom Synagogue – – per WP:COMMONNAME:

An user changed the title Neve Shalom synagogue to Neve Şalom Synagogue only with his own POV. But it's very clear that the common name in English language is Neve Shalom Synagogue.

Takabeg (talk) 06:56, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * "Neve Şalom Synagogue" 1 hit
 * Istanbul + "Neve Shalom Synagogue" - Llc numerous

 * If somebody looks at your contribution history, they could suspect that you have been following me, lately, to articles that never ever interested you, and try to destroy my honest and objective contributions... --E4024 (talk) 12:45, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you serious? Takabeg (talk) 14:08, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Support — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 12:48, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Stop - this is a speedy close and restore per WP:BRD and WP:RM.

 * E4024 please restore the article and if you want to move it submit a RM from the status quo title. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:44, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
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Talk:Zhang Liang (Western Han)

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Zhang Liang was the most brilliant strategist I have ever heard. His intelligence helped Liu Bang to establish the Han Dynasty. His best contribution was discovering Han Xin. I Like Zhang Liang very much. his brilliant eyes recognizeed Liu Bang as the emperor. --- 2005-11-04 About English terms: The author should consider using another term other than "created". Twice out of three times in which it occurs, "named" would seem more appropriate. There's probably a more formal term for this. Liu Bang didn't create anyone. He invested certain people with certain titles, it seems. ...The title of a novel comes to mind, "The Creation of the Gods". The translation "creation" is a bit misleading here. Another translation used was "investiture". Anyway, for your consideration.

PS: Isn't Zhang Liang the one who retired after Liu Bang defeated Xiang Yu, saying something about how after the hunt, the hunting dogs are killed? It's a great quote; but according to this article, it seems that he didn't really withdraw from service to Liu Bang/Emperor Gao. Incidentally, the quote comes to mind in the case of Yoshitsune in Japanese history.

 * "Create" is the right term. See, for example, http://www.webster.com/dictionary/create.  --Nlu 06:23, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Proverb
There is a cantonese proverb regarding to Zhang Liang, but i forgot the whole meaning, it goes like this "You got Zhang Liang list/strategy, but I got Po Chuang List/strategy". Can anybody clearify the correct phrase to me? Basically the meaning of this proverb is about countering someones list.

Just two great strategists?
"Zhang is regarded as one of the two greatest strategists in Chinese history (the other is Jiang Ziya)" What about Zhuge Liang? --SohanDsouza (talk) 09:15, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, incidentally, only two great strategists are spoken of, Zhang Liang, and Jiang Ziya, simply because of the fact that Zhang was instrumental in the founding of Han (four centuries long, including Western and Eastern), and Jiang, because the Zhou dynasty lasted for eight hundred years. Zhuge Liang may have been a great strategist, but he didn't even manage to help Liu unify China, hence why he is discounted.

Catties conversion
Who was it that did the conversion into pounds from catties? 120 catties isn't 160lb. 9 catties (modern) convert to 10 lb. The ancient catty, as recorded in the Shiji, is only half a modern catty. Hence 120 catties is roughly equivalent to 30kg (which does make more sense); it would be perhaps possible for a very strong man to throw a 30kg mass a few yards, while 160lb would be beyond anyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.31.75.33 (talk) 02:00, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

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Gallagher

Gallagher may refer to:

United States

 * Gallagher Township, Pennsylvania
 * Gallagher, West Virginia, an unincorporated place

People

 * Gallagher (surname)
 * Gallagher (comedian), stage name of Leo Anthony Gallagher Jr.
 * Gallagher family, Irish clan

Other

 * Arthur J. Gallagher & Co., American insurance brokerage
 * The Gallagher Index, in political science
 * The Gallagher Group (UK), construction and quarrying firm
 * "Gallagher" (Space Ghost Coast to Coast), a television episode

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Dionysis Savvopoulos

Dionysis Savvopoulos (Διονύσης Σαββόπουλος) (born 2 December 1944) is a prominent Greek singer-songwriter.

Career
Savvopoulos was born in the city of Thessaloniki, Greece (December 1944) in a middle-class family. He passed his university entrance exams and enrolled in the Aristotle University to study law, but after his first year of his studies, his passion for music and politics led to an argument with his father and he dropped out in 1963. Savvopoulos then hitchhiked on a truck to Athens and took various odd jobs, including working as a nude model for students in the Athens School for Fine Arts and as a journalist in a newspaper. In Athens, he began singing and playing guitar in various night clubs and became closely associated with the so-called Greek New Wave. Although Savvopoulos was not famed for his voice, his talent in songwriting impressed Alekos Patsifas, the director of LYRA record company in Greece which was specializing in artists of the Greek New Wave, who signed him. Savvopoulos remained with this label until 1983.

Savvopoulos debut album To Fortigho ("The truck" alluding to his hitchhiking experience) came out in 1966. Although critically well-received, it failed to chart, allegedly selling only 3,000 copies. Despite this, he was kept on the label's roster and continued with a string of highly successful albums, with self-penned songs combining arrangements reminiscent of early Frank Zappa and politically incisive lyrics in the style of Bob Dylan, with folk tunes from Macedonia, Thrace, and Rebetiko music.

Savvopoulos has been noted for being politically active throughout his career in music. In 1967, Savvopoulos was briefly imprisoned and beaten for his political convictions by the Greek military junta of 1967-1974, led by the dictator George Papadopoulos.

Most of his songs are written by himself (both lyrics and music). He is still singing but no longer composing (since his last studio album as a songwriter, O chronopios). Throughout his career, he has sung Greek rock, Laïko (Greek folk music) and Rebetika.

Personal life
He is married to Aspasia Arapidou. They have two sons, Kornilios and Romanos, and two grandsons, Dionisis and Andreas.

Studio albums

 * 1966 Fortigho (Φορτηγό; Truck)
 * 1969 To perivoli tou trelou (Το περιβόλι του τρελού; The Fool's Garden)
 * 1970 Ballos (Μπάλλος)
 * 1972 Vromiko psomi (Βρώμικο ψωμί; Dirty Bread)
 * 1975 Deka chronia kommatia (Δέκα χρόνια κομμάτια; Ten Years' Pieces)
 * 1976 Happy day, soundtrack for the eponymous film by Pantelis Voulgaris
 * 1977 Acharnis, O Aristofanis pou gyrise apo ta thymarakia (Αχαρνείς, Ο Αριστοφάνης που γύρισε από τα θυμαράκια; Acharneis, Aristophanes who came back from the dead)
 * 1979 I Rezerva (Η Ρεζέρβα; The Spare)
 * 1983 Trapezakia exo (Τραπεζάκια έξω; Tables Out)
 * 1989 To kourema (Το κούρεμα; The haircut)
 * 1994 Mi petaxis tipota (Μη πετάξεις τίποτα; Don't Throw Anything Away)
 * 1996 Parartima A (Παράρτημα Α'; Appendix A)
 * 1997 To xenodochio (Το ξενοδοχείο; The Hotel)
 * 1999 O chronopios (Ο Xρονοποιός; The time-maker)
 * 2008 O Samanos (Ο Σαμάνος; The Shaman), with Thanassis Papakonstantinou

Live recordings

 * 1983 Ikosi chronia dromos (Είκοσι χρόνια δρόμος: ζωντανές ηχογραφήσεις; 20 years' Road: Live Recordings)
 * 1988 O kyrios Savvopoulos efcharisti ton kyrio Hadjidaki kai tha 'rthi opposdipote (Ο κύριος Σαββόπουλος ευχαριστεί τον κύριο Χατζιδάκι και θα 'ρθει όπωσδηποτε; Mr. Savvopoulos Thanks Mr. Hadjidakis And Will Definitely Attend)
 * 1990 Anadromi 63–89 (Αναδρομή 63–89; Retrospective 63–89)
 * 2001 Savvorama (Σαββόραμα)
 * 2007 O pyrinas (Ο πυρήνας; The Nucleus)
 * 2016 Siko psichi moy dose revma (Σήκω ψυχή μου δώσε ρεύμα; Rise soul of mine the power turn on) with Eleni Vitali

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Maria Farantouri

Maria Farantouri or Farandouri (Μαρία Φαραντούρη; born 28 November 1947 in Athens) is a Greek singer and also a political and cultural activist. She has collaborated with Greek composers such as Mikis Theodorakis, who wrote the score for Pablo Neruda's Canto General, which Farantouri performed worldwide.

During the Greek military junta of 1967–1974, Maria Farantouri recorded protest songs in Europe with Mikis Theodorakis. In 1971, she recorded Songs and Guitar Pieces by Theodorakis with Australian guitarist John Williams which included seven poems by Federico García Lorca. She has recorded songs in Spanish ('Hasta Siempre Comandante Che Guevara'), Italian, and English ("Joe Hill" and Elisabeth Hauptmann's Alabama Song from Bertolt Brecht's Rise and Fall of the City of Mahagonny), George Gershwin's works, as well as works by Greek composers Manos Hatzidakis, Eleni Karaindrou and Vangelis.

Her voice is contralto with two octaves. The international press called her a people's Callas (The Daily Telegraph), and the Joan Baez of the Mediterranean (Le Monde). Maria Farantouri was an elected member of the Greek Parliament from 1989 to 1993 representing the Panhellenic Socialist Movement (PASOK). She is married to the poet and former politician Tilemachos Chytiris.

On 23 September 2004, the President of the Hellenic Republic recognized the contribution of Maria Farantouri to Greek song, awarding her the Gold Cross of the Order of the Phoenix. She was awarded the Premio Tenco Italian Award 2014 for her contribution to international contemporary and traditional music, and the Spanish LiberPress 2017.

Discography

 * John Williams Maria Farandouri: Mikis Theodorakis – Songs Of Freedom (1974)
 * Maria Farantouri: Mosaic (Libra, 2004)
 * Maria Farantouri: Live im Olympia (Plane, 1987)
 * Maria Farantouri: 17 Songs (EMI, 1990)
 * Maria Farantouri: Tou Feggariou Ta Pathi (Afieroma Sto Federico García Lorca) (Live concert 1996)
 * Maria Farantouri: Way Home (Peregrina, 2007)
 * Mikis Theodorakis: Sinfonietta, Farantouri, Frankfurt Chamber Orchestra (Intuition, 1999)
 * Mikis Theodorakis: The Ballad of Mauthausen-Farantouri Cycle (1966)
 * Mikis Theodorakis: Poetica (Peregrina, 1998)
 * Mikis Theodorakis: Asmata (Peregrina, 1998)
 * Mikis Theodorakis: Canto General (various versions)
 * Mikis Theodorakis: Pnevmatiko Emvatirio (Live at Royal Albert Hall, London 1971)
 * Manos Hadjidakis: The era of Mellisanthi (Lyra, 1981)
 * Eleni Karaindrou: Elegy of the Uprooting (ECM, 2005)
 * Charles Lloyd & Maria Farantouri: Athens Concert 2CDs (ECM, 2010)
 * Maria Farantouri: Maria Farantouri Sings Taner Akyol – Maria Farantouri sings in Greek translation poems of the persecution suffered by the Kurdish people.
 * Mauthausen Trilogy (Plane, 2000)
 * Maria Farantouri: I Triti Porta (The Third Door). Music by Lena Platonos (Minos, 2000)
 * Maria Farantouri Sings George Gershwin (Legend, 2007)
 * Maria Farantouri: Afieroma Ston Miki Theodoraki (Melody Maker, 2008)
 * Maria Farantouri, Hthes Archisa na Tragoudo (I began Singing Yesterday) Live at Herodes Atticus Odeon, 2 CDs, DVD (Minos, 2014)
 * Maria Farantouri – Cihan Turkoglu, Beyond the Borders (ECM 2019)

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CFIQ

CFIQ (640 AM) is a commercial radio station licensed to Richmond Hill, Ontario, and serving Greater Toronto, Southern Ontario and Western New York with a talk format known as "640 Toronto". Owned by Corus Entertainment, CFIQ's studios are located at the Corus Quay Building in Toronto; despite the station's city of licence being a suburban community north of the city, the transmitter is located in the Niagara Region town of Lincoln, 60 km southwest of Toronto.

Early years
On July 1, 1957, the station first signed on as CJRH. It was a 500-watt station, broadcasting on 1300 kHz. The last two letters in the call sign referred to its city of licence, Richmond Hill. It moved to 1310 in 1959, and changed its call letters to CFGM in 1961. The station adopted a country format in 1964. A few years later, it became Canada's first 24-hour country station. Don Daynard, who went on to become a longtime personality on CHFI-FM, was a host on CFGM in the 1960s.

The station moved to 1320 in 1978, and to 640 kHz on September 16, 1988.

Top 40 era
After 26 years as a country station, CFGM changed its format and call letters at 5 p.m. on June 29, 1990, broadcasting a rock-leaning Top 40/CHR format as AM 640 The Hog, CHOG (which would later shift towards a more mainstream direction in September 1991). By early 1992, the station rebranded as AM 640 The Beat Of Toronto, and adjusted its format to Rhythmic CHR.

Several notable radio personalities were associated with the station during this era, including John Gallagher, "Tarzan Dan" Freeman, Pat Cochrane, Adrian Bell, Tony Monaco, Deanna Nason, Randy Taylor, Eric Hollo, Kenny 'The Hitman' Caughlin, Roger Kelly and the Toronto radio team of Jesse and Gene. After CFTR changed formats from contemporary hits to all-news in 1993, CHOG AM 640 was the last Top 40 station in the Toronto radio market until CISS-FM adopted the format in February 1999. Talk shows would later come to take up a substantial part of the station's schedule, particularly during midday periods when many of the station's hit music listeners might normally be in school.

Shift to Talk
On October 10, 1995, at 10 p.m., the station changed to a full-time talk format. As Talk 640, the station aired syndicated shows such as Joy Browne, Rhona Raskin, Dr. Laura and Live Audio Wrestling, along with local programming hosted by personalities such as Gene Valaitis, Jane Hawtin, Bill Carroll, Shelley Klinck, Marsha Lederman, Karen Horsman, Michael Coren, Dave Chalk, Spaceman Gary Bell and Roger Kelly.

Despite regular adjustments, including acquiring the radio broadcast rights to the Toronto Maple Leafs, the station received low ratings. During this period, the station adopted the call letters CFYI. The weekend programming was a hit with "The Touch of Health" a show that started with just a half hour in 1997 to a two-hour nationally syndicated show airing 2 to 4 p.m. Saturdays. Hosted, produced and managed by Christine McPhee, other weekend shows were the "Pet Show" with Mitch Levitsky, a "Cruise Show", a "Law Show", a "Beauty Show", and the "Small Canada Business Show".

Mojo Radio
In 2000, the station was acquired by Corus Entertainment. On April 23, 2001, at 6:40 a.m., the station re-launched as Mojo Radio, a hot talk radio format aimed at the male demographic. The station also changed its call letters the same day to CFMJ.

The new format featured programs hosted by Humble and Fred, John Derringer, Phil Hendrie, Mike Stafford, Andrew Krystal, Spider Jones, and the syndicated Coast to Coast AM. Later on, John Oakley replaced Scruff Connors, who had taken over from Humble and Fred; the latter pair left for hot adult contemporary station CKFM-FM in July 2003. Krystal moved to part-time work at CFRB and CKTB before moving to CJNI-FM in Halifax. Derringer's Mojo show was later discontinued as he concentrated on his marquee morning show on co-owned CILQ-FM.

AM640 Toronto Radio
In 2004, due to low ratings (MOJO was typically hovering around a 1.4 share), the station moved away from the male-oriented imaging to a more general news and talk format as AM640 Toronto Radio. Oakley and Stafford continued to host the major morning and afternoon drive programs. Former police union head Craig Bromell joined the station as co-host of a new late morning program, The Beat (later rebranded as Bromell! in 2006), and in 2005, Charles Adler's nationally syndicated radio show was added to mid-afternoons. Award-winning journalist Arlene Bynon was added to the ranks in 2006 to host the Saturday afternoon Toronto Weekend program, which expanded to include a Sunday edition as well. Near the end of July 2007, the programming line-up was shuffled in response to the departure of Craig Bromell, whose show ran until the end of August 2007. Afternoon host Mike Stafford replaced Bromell. The Bill Watters Show was added to the afternoon lineup. Just as the new show with co-host Jeff Marek expanded, Marek moved on to Sirius Satellite Radio. Greg Brady replaced Marek as Bill's co-host. Brady left AM640 in late June 2010 to host a Noon - 3pm program on The FAN 590. Bill Hayes, formerly of Q107, replaced Greg Brady as Watters' co-host. Hayes was fired in January 2011. Co-hosting duties then fell to his son, Bryan Hayes. Hayes left AM640 on Friday, April 8 to host his own mid-morning program on TSN Radio 1050. AM640's Leafs play-by-play colour analyst Jim Ralph became co-host of The Bill Watters Show, which ran from 4pm – 7pm covering hockey issues and other major sports news as well, up until July 15, 2011.

Veteran host and reporter John Downs was let go in early August, 2010. His 7pm - 9pm slot was then hosted by Bryan Hayes, whose program was primarily sports-talk, until April 12, 2011 when Bryan took the mid-day host slot at TSN Radio 1050. Charles Adler's 2pm - 4pm program was moved to the 7pm - 9pm slot at the end of August 2012.

Charles Adler hosted a Toronto-based hour from 1pm - 2pm during the summer of 2010. On August 30, 2010, Arlene Bynon took over hosting duties for the 1pm - 2pm hour, with news anchor Tina Trigiani guest-hosting Friday afternoons. On July 18, 2011, The Bill Watters Show was canceled and Arlene Bynon took over the 4-7pm time slot. Tina Trigiani was the host of the 1-2p slot Monday to Friday. On July 2, 2014, Trijiani's hour was taken over by host Jeff McArthur.

Jeff McArthur, former morning show host for both CFPL-FM and AM in London, Ontario, joined AM640 in late August 2012 to host weekdays 2pm - 4pm. On July 2, 2014, his show was expanded to add the 1-2pm time slot.

On January 7, 2013, Arlene Bynon's afternoon program was replaced by Bill Carroll. Arlene stayed on as cohost for the following three weeks. Her last day was January 29. She now hosts a show on "Canada Talks" Channel 167 on Sirius XM Radio. Bill Carroll hosted the 4-7pm weekday slot in Toronto in addition to his a separate show on Los Angeles talk radio station KFI (which is also at 640 on the AM dial)

One of the station's biggest draws was that it was the radio broadcaster of the Toronto Maple Leafs, which it networked into other markets. Its play-by-play announcers were Joe Bowen, Dennis Beyak, Jim Ralph and Dan Dunleavy. Dennis Beyak left in the fall of 2011 to do the play-by-play for the Winnipeg Jets on TSN regional television and on TSN Radio 1290 CFRW. AM640's 7-year contract for the rights to Toronto Maple Leafs radio broadcasts concluded before the start of the 2012-13 NHL seasonLeafs broadcasts are now split between CHUM and CJCL.

CFMJ's studios were in Suite 1600 at 1 Dundas Street West in Toronto, until Corus moved all of its Toronto-based radio, television and other assets into Corus Quay upon its completion in the summer of 2010. On September 8, 2015, CFMJ began simulcasting on co-owned CING-FM's HD-2 sub-channel.

Global News Radio 640 Toronto
CFMJ, along with several other Corus's news/talk radio stations across Canada were relaunched under the new national Global News Radio brand between November and December 2017. The new moniker matches the Global News brand which is already used for the newscasts on Global Television's owned-and-operated stations, including CFMJ's sister station, CIII-DT, which was acquired by Corus Entertainment as part of its acquisition of the Shaw Communications media unit. The official changeover to Global News Radio 640 Toronto occurred on December 1, 2017, with CFMJ maintaining its talk format and on-air roster.

640 Toronto
The "Global News Radio" branding was dropped in January 2022 to avoid confusion between news and talk programming on the station. The station continues to have a shared newsroom with Global News and the newscasts themselves are still identified as Global News. This comes one month after Amanda Cupido was hired as the station's Program Director.

On May 1, 2022, the station's call sign was changed to CFIQ. The current weekday talk show lineup included Greg Brady hosting Toronto Today in the morning drive slot followed by Kelly Cutrara, Alan Carter, Jeff McArthur, John Oakley, Alex Pierson and Ben O'Hara-Byrne, with Shane Hewitt in the overnight slot.

Effective August 8, 2022, Carter and McArthur discontinued their shows in order to focus on their duties at Global Television. Cutrata moved to early afternoons and Pierson moved from evenings to the 9 am to noon slot, following Greg Brady.

In August 2023, Amanda Cupido was replaced as program director by Mike Bendixen, who also became Corus' national director of talk programming. Bendixen had previously been program director at rival talk station CFRB for 12 years ending in 2021.

Toronto Maple Leafs hockey
From 1998 until 2012, the station aired radio broadcasts of Toronto Maple Leafs hockey games. Dennis Beyak was the team's play-by-play commentator when Joe Bowen called games on television, though Bowen continued to call games on radio when the Leafs aired on national TV. Beyak was replaced by Dan Dunleavy in 2011, when he left for TSN to be the Winnipeg Jets play-by-play commentator.

The station has not aired Leafs games since the 2012–13 season. All games have since been split with CJCL and CHUM, owned by Rogers and Bell, respectively. Both media companies co-own the parent company of the team.

The Morning Show
On November 7, 2016, the station launched a new morning drive show, The Morning Show, pairing National Post columnist and editor Matt Gurney with CBC contributor and lawyer Supriya Dwivedi as co-hosts, replacing the John Oakley Show, which moved to afternoon drive. In February 2018, as part of the station's "revitalization" following its rebranding as Global News Radio, Gurney was moved to the 9 am to noon slot to host The Exchange with Matt Gurney, and Mike Stafford was moved to The Morning Show with Dwivedi remaining as co-host.

On November 27, 2020, Dwivedi announced on-air that she was leaving the show and Global, filing a complaint with the Canadian Human Rights Commission alleging that the station had allowed its on-air talent and callers to spread "false narratives" about refugees, Muslims and other groups on air, unchallenged, and refused to enforce journalistic standards on talk radio resulting in her "receiving an increase in racist comments and violent threats". In her resignation letter, she stated “I can no longer be part of an ecosystem that tolerates and in some cases, actively sows division and discord... As a female, racialized journalist, I have been subject to rape threats against me and my 17-month old daughter and absolutely abhorrent statements from members of the public when I attempt to counter and correct the misinformation and false narratives promoted by other hosts and guests on the station.”

Mike Stafford remained as the show's host, with rotating guest co-hosts, until June 2021 when he was fired, after 20 years at the station, for using a racial slur in an internal company group chat while commenting that Ontario Premier Doug Ford was likely to slip up and use the slur during his press conference. Stafford had previously been briefly suspended in 2019 after making derogatory comments about South Asians and Muslims on social media.

Leafs Lunch
Jeff Marek was offered a position with Sirius Satellite Radio and CBC's Hockey Night in Canada to host a new show. On September 7, 2007 Marek announced that he was leaving Leafs Lunch on AM 640 Toronto Radio to pursue a new route in radio broadcasting on the Hockey Night in Canada radio show on Sirius Satellite Radio Channel 122. Brian Duff from the NHL Network was the program's host for a period of time until he was replaced by TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger. On July 5, 2010, Leafs Lunch was canceled. Leafs Lunch returned to Talk Radio AM640's Saturday and Sunday lineups, filling the noon - 1pm timeslot until spring of 2011, when it was cancelled.

Tina Trigiani
Trigiani's show aired weekdays between 1pm and 2pm, this show generally covered lighter news and popular interest topics. Like the Stafford Show, a main topic was introduced and then Tina took input from listeners via e-mail and phone calls. Adding occasional colour to the show was added by Trigiani's call screener, Ryan Bonnar and technical producer Patrick Malkin. AM640 Host Jeff McArthur's show absorbed the hour in the summer of 2014.

Bill Carroll
Aired weekdays from 4pm - 7pm. Bill Carroll hosted the afternoon drive slot along with commentary from news anchor Sandy Salerno and producer Chris Chreston until early 2016. The opening segment of each show was known as "Carroll on the News" in which Salerno, Chreston and Carroll discussed the day's major news stories. This portion of the show was taped earlier in the day due to a conflict with Carroll's show on KFI 640 in Los Angeles. Carroll resigned from his position in Los Angeles, but soon after left AM640 in early 2016 for 580 CFRA in Ottawa.

The Post Game Show with Andy Frost
Following each Toronto Maple Leafs game, radio host and Leafs PA announcer, Andy Frost discussed the ups and downs of the night's game. Much of the broadcast involves taking phone calls from the show's audience. This show was cancelled on the station, however Frost remained an evening and weekend host on AM640's sister station Q107.

A View from Space
For over 15 years, Gary Bell (nicknamed 'The Spaceman') hosted a show, broadcast on Saturday nights, that dealt with current events, numerology and conspiracy theories. The show was cancelled, following its November 11, 2017 broadcast, when parent company Corus fired the late-night host citing complaints of anti-Semitic content. Bell also worked as a producer for various weekday shows during his time at the station and had previously worked as a technician at CKGM and CFTR. He died of cancer in June 2018.

Tasha Kheiriddin
Weekdays from 12:00pm–2:00pm Tasha Kheiriddin focused on politics and lifestyle. The show was produced by Jackie Lamport. The show featured a Political Panel every Wednesday from 1:20 - 1:40pm. On Fridays during the same time slot a Top 3 panel took place where three women joined the show to talk about three of the top stories of the week. Notable panelists included Maddie Di Muccio, Lisa Kinsella, Anne Lagacé Dowson, and Sophie Nadaeu. The final edition of the program aired March 1, 2019 when it ended its run after three years.

The Exchange with Matt Gurney
Aired weekdays from 9am - 12pm, The Exchange was a news based talk show with host Matt Gurney. Heather Purdon, Mike Stafford's former producer, produced the show. The show was launched in February 2018 and ended in February 2019.

Notable on-air staff and alumni

 * Dennis Beyak, play-by-play commentator for Leafs broadcasts
 * Bill Carroll
 * Andy Frost
 * Jeff Marek

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Fall Line
That's a good edit about Georgetown on the fall line article! Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 20:23, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

Muir and local letter
Might be a good idea to scan it and contribute it as background support??? RichardAmes 08:14, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

abuse
Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

... these concern Giant space magnet of death.

 * Hi Shoaler, randomly browsing your talk page just now, I came across this curious entry. I would be very interested to know more about the Giant space magnet of death, and I wonder if wikipedia should contain an article which describes it. Bards 22:54, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Star Island
Thanks! I'm a shoaler myself (just got off the island recently) and thought of a few things that could be added. Bananorama 11:29, July 26 2005

George Bush poll
Please explain your vote on Talk:George W. Bush, thanks.Voice of All(MTG) 09:10, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Glamorous cumbia
Could you explain your undeletion of Glamorous cumbia? --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 22:22, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

 * The article is original research and the term itself appears to be a neologism. Moreover, the user who created it was a hoaxer. I'll see if I can revive the VfD and decide what to do with it, since most of the text is salvageable. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 14:34, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

A question
What's it like in the UUA?--HistoricalPisces 17:42, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! I agree with your advice, but I seem to be having a hard time getting to do it (I'm afraid the school board will forbid me).--HistoricalPisces 17:08, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Lourdes
Should we protect this?

Pants Against Rape and 3RR
Hi Shoaler. As I don't want to brake the 3RR, please read my reply at your comments at the pants of Joan section. Regards, HAJARS 21:46, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

About your brother's competiton
Hello,I have been an avid supporter of your brother ever since he joined the Project Superstar,but apparently,the page is in a mess.But fear not,I'll help to clear it up and declare your brother the VICTOR!Cheers.--Father Tan 13:55, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Strange,though,because I saw This page.You better check,for what you said made me fear that your account has been hacked into.Anyway,sorry for the mistake.--Father Tan Ding Xiang of [[WP:CCW|The Roman Catholic Church of Wikipedia]] 02:25, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

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Unitarian Universalism
Thank you for your comments. I clarified my previous edit. --adamahill 05:00, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Your application of the cleanup tag to "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter"
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But you didn't start a discussion on the talk page. IMO, that is irresponsible. This is a bee in my bonnet because there was another wikipedian who used to track my edit history, almost like a stalker, and apply all kinds of bogus tags. He wasn't prepared to enter into serious discussions on talk pages, because, I believe, he wanted to abuse the wikipedia to get across his political points. One sign that he wasn't seriously interested in improving the wikipedia was the frequency with which he didn't initiate discussions to solidify the case for applying the tags he used. Alternatively he would boiler-plate in some patent nonsense.

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Animal liberation front
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ww2 casualties
thanks--Woogie10w 16:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

RE: South America
Hello. I've tried making edits at South America, only to have them rolled back by you. Please recheck, repair, or discard your use of popups. 142.150.134.60 19:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I only reverted one edit to South America and it contained "This is a Buch of shit". –Shoaler (talk) 15:34, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

impressive
Yeah, that's totally fine by me. It's just that "5 star" directly implies a rating by one of the major sources like AAA, Mobile or Michelin. It's certainly a notable hotel, if not the most famous nat'l park hotel --its just that to a lot of travellers, 5-star implies a level of luxury that would seem absurd in Yosemite: imagine the Hotel Imperial or Burj al-Arab in a national park ;-) All the best. --Bobak 20:12, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

APL function symbols
"Take" is currently listed as U+2191, but my Unicode (5) tables show this as unassigned... what is this meant to be? —porg es (talk) 10:32, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not a Unicode expert but the up-arrow shows up at 2191 on . Feel free to fix it though if you think it's wrong. –Shoaler (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ooops, I made a mistake typing that message. The Unicode reference was right but the character actually in the table was U+088F, which is unassigned. I've fixed it now :) —porg es (talk) 21:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Differences_between_book_and_film_versions_of_Harry_Potter_and_the_Goblet_of_Fire
this belongs to a website/personal wiki. It is called fancruft, probably also WP:OR. See webhosting, WP:NOT. User:Yy-bo 17:52, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Unitarian Universalist Independent Affiliate organizations
Hi Shoaler, I saw your comments on the AfD for Unitarian Universalist Independent Affiliate organizations; if you're still interested in the article, a re-working is being considered at Talk:Unitarian Universalist Independent Affiliate organizations. I'd appreciate your voice. HellaNorCal 00:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

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Mars
hi, why is Mars's more correct than Mars'? eg Mars' natural satellites etc.. sbandrews (t) 18:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Most current style guides (WP:STYLE, CMS) use an apostrophe-s for all singular words, even those ending in s. There are particular exceptions based on convention (e.g. Jesus'). –Shoaler (talk) 20:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * sigh, nothing is ever easy, Mars's looks wrong to me, but hey, life goes on :) regards, sbandrews (t) 21:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * this site says Mars' though, sbandrews (t) 21:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe Mars' is one of the exceptions. Do you have a copy of CMS handy (or another reputable style guide)?  Mine are in storage right now. –Shoaler (talk) 09:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Alas no, how strange for an atheist like me to be arguing for the rights of an ancient God :), I'll revert your changes till you find an answer, if that's ok, they'll be harder to correct later... sbandrews (t) 13:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Veirs Mill Road
To save you from mistake in the future, I am notifying you that the road which carries MD 28 for about a block in Rockville, MD is an exception to the "i before e" rule. It is spelled Veirs Mill, not Viers Mill. It is a common mistake, but try to resist your second-grade teacher when commenting on it. Thank you. --RockRNC 01:19, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your edification. It has been many years since I left Montgomery County and, alas, my 2nd grade teacher must be well over 100 by now. –Shoaler (talk) 21:17, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Recovery, Inc. article
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Unitarian Universalism work group
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Virtues & otherwise of 'prioritize'
Hi, Shoaler. Not a big deal, but am a tad puzzled why you consider use of prioritize in first sentence of the Libertarianism article "either wrong word or ambiguous." My on-board dictionary gives the following:

prioritize verb 1 we must prioritize pollution control emphasize, concentrate on, put first, focus on, fast-track, expedite, make a priority. 2 they prioritize patients according to need rank, order, hierarchize, triage; grade, class, categorize.

prioritize verb [ trans. ] designate or treat (something) as more important than other things : prioritize your credit card debt. • determine the order for dealing with (a series of items or tasks) according to their relative importance : age affects the way people prioritize their goals | [ intrans. ] are you able to prioritize?

It's not, admittedly, the most attractive of words but in this context, rather than being ambiguous, seems more specific & forceful than your substituted give priority to, with the additional virtue that it chimes by contrast with minimize in the clause that follows. Please illumimate. Thanks :D Wingspeed (talk) 15:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Hi Wingspeed, My dictionary only gave the second meaning, to put in priority sequence. I suspected that it was being used in the first sense, to make first in priority, but my first reaction when I saw it was uncertainty as to what was meant.  I guess I come from an era when any use of "prioritize" was considered sloppy English.  If you have a better word or phrase to use there, I would certainly not object.–Shoaler (talk) 13:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

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Glomp
Delete This article is merely a dictionary entry for an unpopular slang term among anime fans. From what I know, the entire concept is considered an annoyance in the first place. MrVacBob 01:45, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The annoyance bit doesn't affect its encyclopedic status, but it is pretty much fancruft. Delete or merge to Fangirl Ashibaka tlk
 * I wouldn't say it's an unpopular slang term, and it has spread outside of the otaku set to some extent. Still, it is a slang dictdef, with no potential for encyclopedic expansion that I can see. Transwiki and delete.   — Gwalla | Talk 02:12, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Things are not unencyclopedic just because they are annoying, and I wonder where you get the idea that the slang term is unpopular. That being said, it is a slang dictdef, so if someone can nominate an appropriate page to merge it to, that is my vote.  -- Antaeus Feldspar 02:19, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Who said it was unpopular? I've seen this word used plenty of times by anime fans and always in a positive way, mostly while doing the action itself. Wiki probably holds host to pleanty of possibly useless entries, and simply because a few people find the action itself annoying, is no reason to delete an entry of a perfectly usable word that's worth defining.
 * Above comment was posted by Everfalling. This is his first contribution to Wikipedia. Ashibaka tlk 18:37, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm still puzzled by the "unpopular".  Does MrVacBob mean "unpopular" in the sense of "annoying" or in the sense of "obscure"?  If it's the former, it's equally irrelevant as "annoying"; if it's the latter, I'd like to see him support that contention, since it gets 29,000 Google hits. -- Antaeus Feldspar 20:23, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment: "unpopular" among the general English-speaking public, not teenaged anime fans, although that Google hit count is far smaller than other jargon terms ("boxen" or "fansub", for instance). That and the second sentence were secondary to the reason for nomination anyway (the perception of it being annoying may be from my normal association with older/more jaded fans who aren't going to glomp anyone or cosplay or etc). The claims are that it's merely a dictionary entry and not further expandable, and a jargon term. MrVacBob 00:27, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Move to wiktionary - As a word definition this is better suited to a dictionary. However it is a term that's been around in some circles for at least 8-10 years.  (Actually, the term already exists on wiktionary, but with less detail.)  --PJF (talk) 08:01, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect - This term is pretty widespread on the Internets beyond the usually anime suspects. Doesn't deserve its own article though.  NTK 15:35, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Sugar & Spice

Sugar & Spice is a 2001 American teen film directed by Francine McDougall and starring Marley Shelton, Marla Sokoloff and Mena Suvari. The plot follows a group of high school cheerleaders who conspire and commit armed robbery when one of them becomes pregnant and desperate for money.

The film received mixed reviews from critics. It grossed a worldwide total of $16.9 million against a budget of $11 million.

Plot
The story is told by Lisa Janusch, the spiteful and jealous head cheerleader of the B-Squad at Abraham Lincoln High School...Home of the Emancipators (aka "the Fighting E's").

Diane Weston, the kindhearted popular head cheerleader of Lincoln High's A-squad, becomes pregnant by the well-known football quarterback Jack Bartlett. After announcing the pregnancy to their parents, the two are kicked out of their respective homes and find an apartment of their own. Jack initially has issues keeping a job, but eventually gets hired at a video rental store. In spite of their issues coming up with the rent money, Jack and Diane try as hard as they can to survive while going to school at the same time. Lisa, who has a bitter one-sided rivalry with Diane, occasionally runs into Jack at the rental store. She is interested in winning Jack's heart, but repeatedly fails to get his attention.

After struggling with the rent and anticipating the financial hardship of supporting a family, Diane and her four cheerleader squadmates/best friends, bad girl Kansas Hill, boy-crazy Cleo Miller, nerdy Lucy Whitmore, and uber christian Hannah Wald, plan the perfect bank robbery. They promise each other not to tell Jack about their plan, due to his inability to lie to others.

The squad watches heist films to learn how to rob banks, and Kansas visits her mother at the women's penitentiary for tips on where to find weaponry. Following the women's advice, the girls visit a bug exterminator, Hank "The Terminator" Rogers, who sells illegal arms and ammo. After failing to negotiate on prices, Hank offers to give them the guns for free on the condition that they befriend his socially awkward daughter, Fern, and put her on their squad.

The squad reluctantly accepts Fern into their circle, and they all begin rehearsing the robbery, as well as their choreography for the winter ball. During winter break, they order doll masks to hide their identities. Lucy backs out of the heist because she receives a scholarship to Harvard. At Christmas, Diane receives an engagement ring from Jack. She then learns he sold his GTO in order to buy her the ring. The squad is forced to obtain a new getaway vehicle, prompting Fern to volunteer her father's work van with bad brakes.

At their first robbery at a supermarket, Lucy returns to the group having decided to help them after all. Lisa happens to be in the store at the time of the robbery, and notices that they perform cheerleader stunts in order to cover up the security cameras. The squad robs the bank and come close to shooting a customer after one of the guns discharges by mistake. They make off with armloads of cash and honor their success after burning their costumes. The robbery is widely reported in the media, becoming a juggernaut. Neither Diane nor her friends expect Lisa to suspect them until they are confronted by her and the B-squad in the high school cafeteria, followed by the FBI.

Diane and her friends are arrested and need an alibi...which Lisa agrees to supply them with, in return for being promoted to captain of the A-squad. Diane agrees, in part because she is approaching her third trimester (and therefore can no longer do the meticulous physical activity which cheerleading requires). The group is outraged, but come to appreciate the decision. In order to cover up her actions, Diane tells Jack she won the lottery and after they have their twins, Jack wins his senatorial campaign, and Diane's squad lead successful lives after high school.

Production
The film was loosely based on a 1999 series of robberies perpetrated by four teenage girls from the Kingwood area of Houston, Texas. Sokoloff stated, "It's not the same, of course, yet I'm not sure if Sugar & Spice would have been made if that hadn't happened."

The film was originally titled Sugar & Spice & Semi-automatics, but the title was changed and the script was toned down following the Columbine High School massacre. The film changed so much from the original that Lona Williams had her name removed from the film and the writing was instead credited to the pseudonym Mandy Nelson.

Casting for the film coincided with the casting of another film about cheerleaders, Bring It On. 17 years later, actress Gabrielle Union claimed that she and many of her Bring It On co-stars auditioned for Sugar & Spice, with the latter seen as the more desirable project. "Bring It On was the cheerleading movie that was the consolation prize because you didn't get the cheerleading movie that you wanted", she said.

Critical response
On Rotten Tomatoes it has an approval rating of 28% based on reviews from 75 critics, with the site's consensus "Though this cheerleader comedy has an intriguing premise, it's too empty-headed and saddled with too many lame jokes to live up to it. Also, some critics say the movie is irresponsible in its depiction of teens and guns." On Metacritic the film has a weighted average score of 48% based on reviews from 17 critics. Audiences polled by CinemaScore gave the film an average grade of "D+" on an A+ to F scale.

Roger Ebert gave the film 3 out of 4 stars, and wrote: "It's not a great high school movie like Election, but it's alive and risky and saucy." Brendan Kelly of Variety gave the film a positive review, calling it "[q]uite a smart little film with a surprising satirical edge." Lisa Schwarzbaum of Entertainment Weekly gave the film a B grade, and wrote: "It's fun in its raunchy unwieldiness."

Peter Travers at Rolling Stone compared the film unfavorably to Bring It On, saying it was "not in the same clever league" and is critical that Suvari is underused, and that the gags are "scattershot at best". Bruce Westbrook of the Houston Chronicle wrote, "The actors didn't seem worried by taking a comic approach to teen crime."

Box office
The film opened at number five at the North American box office, earning $5,891,176 USD in its opening weekend, short of its $11 million budget but grossed $13,305,101 in the domestic box office and $16,908,947 worldwide.

Soundtrack

 * "Girls" by Lefty
 * "Rock and Roll Part 2" by Gary Glitter
 * "Blitzkrieg Bop" by The Nutley Brass
 * "Glockenpop" by Spiderbait
 * "Critical Nature" by The Dragonflies
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 * "News Flash" by Shampoo
 * "B'cos We Rock" by Brassy
 * "Pistolero" by Juno Reactor
 * "American Girl" by Cindy Alexander
 * "Let's Rob a Bank" by Size 14

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Talk:Blue-plate special

Allen Funt candid microphone episode
I have to confess that I'm relying on memory for this one. And, no, not a memory of hearing the original show, but hearing it on some recorded compilation that was released decades later. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:47, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * You mean "The Last Blue Plate Special"? Yes, it checks out.
 * Press release
 * --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 01:58, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Duh! You mean the Funt thing. Sorry.  --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 01:59, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I coulda sworn I had put a heading on this. Oh, well. Now I have. I've also ordered a Candid Microphone CD from the Candid Camera website, no contents listing, and we will see what we will see. Or hear what we will hear, as the case may be. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 02:44, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * By the way, there is another different mystery novel by a different author, Ruth Birmingham, entitled simply "Blue Plate Special." [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 02:44, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I remembered the episode correctly. It aired in 1947. The blue-plate special cost $1.50 and included tomato juice, vegetable soup, roast beef with carrots and peas, and ice cream (choice of chocolate or vanilla). [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:57, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"Blue-plate" vs. "blue plate"
Usage of the term really seems evenly divided between "blue-plate special" and "blue plate special." I prefer the hyphenated form, so I've used that within the text, and moved the article to "Blue-plate special." Within quotations, I have tried to preserve whatever form was used in the source. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:55, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

K-Mart?????
I suddenly wondered whether the K-Mart "blue light special" is intended to evoke the phrase "blue plate special." I will be watching for anything to confirm this. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 11:02, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Not limited to diners. How rare in restaurants today?
Another piece of evidence for saying it was not limited to diners, besides the historical references from the New York Times, is that Wentworth and Flexner's slang dictionary includes many of the diner and short-order slang expressions and number codes but does not include "blue-plate special."

I'm saying the usage faded after the 1950s, but this needs a reality check. There are many diners still in operation. I probably don't eat in any establishment called a "diner" oftener than once or twice a year. My vague recollection of recent visits is that they do not offer blue-plate specials. What do others know? I'm sure there are some that deliberately offer them as an intentional piece of retro chic. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 16:11, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I've seen them, so called, on the menus of some older diners in Southern California. Not any of the chains nor, I think, anywhere trying too hard to be retro chic, but simply some of those frozen-in-time kind of places.  So the term is hanging on, if by its fingernails.  Most places just say 'Specials', though. —Morven 16:28, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

 * So... the plates... the plates... what about the plates? Did those places just serve them on any old plate? A divided plate? A blue-patterned plate? A solid blue plate? Or what? [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 19:44, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * One definitely served them on solid blue plates, not divided. In others I didn't see the plates.

 * I think I need to go out and do some research ... —Morven 20:27, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

 * In response to a query in rec.food.restaurants, I received this reply:

 * > I'm particular interested in pinning down current usage. I _believe_ that it is very rare for restaurants, even diners, to offer blue-plate specials _under that name_ today. Is this right, or do they survive?

 * They do survive. I know of two fairly local places (White River Junction, VT, and Concord, NH) that have "blue plate specials" by that exact name, and have eaten at any number of small family-run restaurants that have them.  Some chains, too, seeing that for most of 1993 my entire office would go out every friday to eat at the Oak Ridge, TN Quincy's Steakhouse[1] and get the Blue Plate Special.  I've been to quite a few cafeterias that have the same special (sometimes just for kids or seniors, however).  In all these cases, a blue plate was used, too.

 * I've even seen a "Blue Plate Special" at the La Jolla, CA Hard Rock Cafe, but nobody ordered it, so I don't know if the plate was blue.

 * > If so is it a true tradition or is it deliberately "retro?"

 * I think the former more than the latter.

 * Richard W Kaszeta
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 * http://www.kaszeta.org/rich

Blue plates
I've been doing some miscellaneous searches on eBay. It appears as if collectors call divided plates "grill plates" or "grille plates," and it appears as if the dishes used in restaurants are called "restaurantware" or "restaurant ware." Various searches on "blue plate restaurant ware" and "grill plate restaurantware" etc. turn up quite a lot of divided plates with a blue transfer pattern, like this one and this one. Blue patterns, particularly variations on blue willow, seem to be very common. I haven't seen a solid blue plate yet.

Of course, blue-pattern plates have been very popular for a long time. The puzzle is why there would be an association between blue plates and inexpensive meals. You'd think that if a restaurant had a supply of blue plates they would use them for everything, not just the daily specials... [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 00:28, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Plate lunches, "meat-and-three", blue willow confirmed
Just got another reply to myq uery in rec.food.restaurants. Leaving it here for the moment, will work into the article when I get a Round Tuit.

> Secondly, I'd recommend at least looking at Southern Food by John > Egerton before submitting your article. I don't have it in front of > me right now (I'll check it when I get a chance), but I seem to recall > that there is a section regarding the blue-plate special and > especially how it relates to the "meat-and-three" lunches still found > at many eateries throughout the South (the term "meat-and-three" is > still used regularly at several restaurants in the Nashville area). > > :-Dan

Okay, I found the reference. It's on pages 67 and 68 of Southern Food and pretty much starts out Egerton's section on lunch in the "Eating Out" part of the book (even though this was written in 1983, I find that it is still a great source for eating your way through the South). Anyhow, in case you don't have a copy, I'll go ahead and cite the relevant paragraphs here (without Mr. Egerton's permission and leaving out the first 2, which are mostly biographical about Hap Townes and son who both ran an eatery in Nashville):

"The genesis of plate-lunch dining in America can be traced to such public eateries as Hap's. Back in the days when lunch was dinner and dinner was supper, the midday meal generally was the main repast for people of all classes.  The food was hearty and substantial, and for good reason; the time to eat heavily, most people agreed, was not in the evening before bedtime but early in the day, when energy was needed for the hard work at hand.  As dinner for working people gradually moved from home kitchens to cafes and restaurants of cities and towns, the pattern of heavy dining at noon was continued."

"The plate lunch, a singularly American invention, became firmly fixed in the restaurant trade early in this [last] century. Before long, there was even a custom-made plate for it:  a large, heavy china plate in the popular and familiar blue willow pattern, with compartments to divide the meat or other main dish from the vegetables.  The blue-plate special (or lunch, or supper, or dinner) was a quickly understood term for a generously large and inexpensive meal that commonly consisted of a main dish, three or four vegetables, some kind of bread, and a drink."

"Southern cooking, with its emphasis on meats and gravies, vegetables, hot breads, and desserts, was especially well suited to plate-lunch dining. Restaurants featuring blue-plate specials came early to the region, and many of the best of them have survived to this day, withstanding the fast-food revolution and other modern gastronomic upheavals.  Hap Townes is [was?] such a place.  In history, style, and quality, the little cafe is a good and typical example of the traditions associated with eating out for lunch in the South."

So, there you have it. The concept of the blue-plate special definitely still exists, but I doubt you're going to find too many (if any) that still use the china, and particularly a blue willow pattern. China dishes used in a restaurant setting, especially a casual lunch, are more prone to breakage. Anyhow, I hope you find this useful - best of luck with your article; it looks good.

Not every diner has them...
I'm afraid I don't eat in diners all that often—I like them, but they're rare and I don't seek them out. Now that I'm sensitized to the issue, though, I'm on the lookout for blue-plate specials. Anyway, I'm sorry to report that the Glenmont Diner, 21 Frontage Rd, Glenmont, NY 12077 (near Albany) which looks absolutely 100% authentic--I don't know when it was built but it certainly looks fifties, NOT fifties-STYLE--does not have them. I had a fantastic breakfast there and I certainly recommend the place, but no blue-plate specials. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:33, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC) P. S. http://www.roadsidefans.com/troy.html identifies it as "a 1961 Silk City diner, serial number 3671." Dpbsmith (talk) 02:35, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Far more common in rural America
Anecdotal, I'll admit, but Blue Plate specials were common in rural Kansas in 1969, and in South Central Tennessee into the early 1990s, much of rural Louisiana into the later 1990s, and even Missouri well into the 2000s, from personal experience. Often, it was the only alternative to hospital food without driving a half hour or more.

Most of the diners with Blue Plate Specials in the 1990s & 2000s were in towns too small to support more than a gas station/convenience store in addition to the local breakfast and lunch diner.

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 * My customers (I am in marketing) include Golf Clubs, and I spotted this today Campaign name "Blue Plate Special - August 2, 2023". This isn't public enough to use a a citation, though Linlithgow (talk) 18:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Does show on their Instagram if you scroll (images only) https://www.instagram.com/sarabaycountryclub/?hl=en Linlithgow (talk) 18:53, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

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Having ben disappointed at not being able to see inside the newly reopened Fenice during a visit to Venice next week I was hoping to read the impressions of anyone who has.

1996 Fire
I struck
 * In 1996, the theater was closed for renovations when a fire broke out on 29 January.

(in the process of moving material from the 1st 'graph in order to restore chronology). It seems clear "completely destroyed" is closer to the truth than "closed for renovations", in light of nearly (6 weeks short of) 8 years' work. --Jerzy(t) 05:58, 2005 Jan 3 (UTC)

-- At the time the theater caught fire, it was closed for renovations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.20.87.112 (talk) 23:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Did it come true that
 * The first opera production will be La Traviata in November, 2004.

? In either case, the article needs an update of that sentence. --Jerzy(t) 05:58, 2005 Jan 3 (UTC)

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Copying verbatim
In my opinion, the recent additions by User:Pietro Tessarin fall foul of Wikipedia's guideline against plagiarism. The material added, twice, copies wholesale text from http://www.teatrolafenice.it/site/index.php?pag=73&lingua=eng which is unacceptable per Close paraphrasing, even if the text of that website were provided under a free licence – which it is not. I suggest to remove all material added after 9 March 2018. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:29, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Dear Michael, when La Fenice was reopening in 2003 we put on our website a precise history of the Theater that is written in two books Bellina/Girardi and another fundamental book that is Brusatin/Pavanello. Gerda is help me and thank her for everything. I change all info in a wiki Italian page with the help of another great guy. But if you want remove i'm stopping because I'm at work and I wouldn't waste my time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pietro Tessarin (talk • contribs) 13:36, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Dear Michael and Dianna, finally the Marsilio permission for La Fenice Opera House wiki page https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QqwOu12zqDv3m1YLoyOsD3Wg9LAzIxJY/view?usp=sharing hope it will be ok for everything. best best, Pietro — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pietro Tessarin (talk • contribs) 10:39, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That declaration falls short in several ways. It allows mentioning of authors and works, not verbatim copying – there's never a need for permission to mention authors or sources, but for verbatim copying, the procedures at Donating copyrighted materials must be followed. The declaration disallows commercial use – Wikipedia licences allow it. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 15:27, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:William F. Buckley Jr.

Incongruous information in Education section
In the childhood section, Buckley is credited with attending the Millbrook School (a preparatory school) until graduating in 1943. I believe this to be true.

However, in the Education and Military Service section, he is said to have graduated from the National Autonomous University of Mexico in 1943 (the same year as his high school graduation). His LA Times obituary says he dropped out before joining OCS. Does anyone have a good source with more specifics on the timeframe between high school in 1943 and officer candidacy school in 1944? CyberAuditor (talk) 21:05, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:William F. Buckley Jr.