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Talk:Whole Foods Market

Policies
I feet that more should be said about Whole Food's environmental policies. Keremm May 9 2006

Flagship Store
I think that there needs to be something said about Whole Foods' flagship store in Austin as it adds/changes a lot of things not normally found in a regular Whole Foods store. Dragonfire September 4 2006

Controversy Section Should Be Expanded
The controversy section, as is, just rattles off a list of areas of criticism against Whole Foods, but doesn't actually have any real information about any of them. If such controversy does exist, the inclusion of news items relating to each, and a brief summary thereof, would be a useful addition to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.254.213 (talk) 02:19, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

I just added a section on tattoos and facial piercings, which I hope people will expand and/or argue with. It does seem a bit ironic to see facial piercings in a health food store, as they do pose a risk of infection, both to the wearer and food customers, and project an image of self-mutilation to Whole Foods' supposedly child friendly brand.Horsechestnut (talk) 21:50, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

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Amazon-owned Whole Foods is quietly tracking its employees with a heat map tool that ranks which stores are most at risk of unionizing
Not sure where to include this

 * https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/whole-foods-tracks-unionization-risk-with-heat-map-2020-1
 * https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/20/21228324/amazon-whole-foods-unionization-heat-map-union

John Cummings (talk) 10:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

 * I already added . Could be reworded, of course. Eisfbnore  (会話) 13:02, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

lol fake news bud, the real story is that we and our spouses/partners are being discounted 20% as employees — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.153.242.98 (talk) 23:47, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Company structure
This is very strange that there's no mention of the the associates having voting rights and their pay being no less than 19 times less than the CEO. The co-op aspect of this company is unique and I'm puzzled as to why it's not even hinted at here? Apeholder (talk) 00:41, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Legality of anti-union tactics in Madison
As stated, the company refused to negotiate with the newly formed union at the Madison store. Doesn't the NLRA require companies to negotiate in "good faith?" Was WF's refusal thereby illegal or otherwise actionable? And if so, why were there no regulatory or legal consequences for the company? Ham Pastrami (talk) 23:43, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting something to be added to the entry? If not, this isn't the place for this question. -- Zim Zala Bim talk 02:12, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Marketing shots of buildings removed
Two photos were removed from sections that had nothing about them and only served as promotional marketing. Myotus (talk) 04:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * File:Whole Foods Markham Canada.jpg
 * File:Redwood City Whole Foods.jpg

Wiki Education assignment: NAS 348 Global Climate Change
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Wiki Education assignment: Geographies of Energy and Sustainability
— Assignment last updated by Juniper37 (talk) 18:51, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

 * I added a section on energy under the 'Efforts' heading from my sandbox.--Eswanger (talk) 05:13, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

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Virgin of Vladimir

The Virgin of Vladimir, also known as Vladimir Mother of God, Our Lady of Vladimir (Владимирская икона Божией Матери; ,{{efn|Sometimes also referred to as Our Lady of Vyshhorod and the Theotokos of Vladimir ({{lang-el|Θεοτόκος του Βλαντίμιρ}}), is a 12th-century Byzantine icon depicting the Virgin and Child and an early example of the Eleusa iconographic type. It is one of the most culturally significant and celebrated pieces of art in Russian history. Many consider it a national palladium with several miracles of historical importance to Russia being attributed to the icon. Following its near destruction in the thirteenth century, the work has been restored at least five times.

The icon was painted by an unknown artist most likely in Constantinople. It was sent to Kiev as a gift before being transferred to the Assumption Cathedral in Vladimir. It is traditionally said that the icon did not leave Vladimir until 1395, when it was brought to Moscow to protect the city from an invasion by Timur, although the historical accuracy of this claim is uncertain. By at least the sixteenth century, it was in the Dormition Cathedral in Moscow where it remained until it was moved to the State Tretyakov Gallery after the Russian Revolution.

It was subject to an ownership dispute in the 1990s between the gallery and Moscow Patriarchate, which ended with its relocation to the Church of St. Nicholas in Tolmachi. An arrangement was made to operate the church with dual status as a house church and part of the museum. The icon remains there today, and is only accessible via an underground passage from the gallery to the church, where liturgies are still held.

Origins
The icon is dated to the earlier part of the 12th century, and arrived in Rus' around 1131. This is consistent with accounts given in Rus' chronicles. Similar to other high quality Byzantine works of art, it is thought to have been painted in Constantinople. Only the faces are original, with the clothes repainted after suffering damage when a metal cover or riza was placed over them and in a fire in 1195.

In about 1131, the Greek Patriarch of Constantinople sent the icon as a gift to grand prince Yuri Dolgorukiy of Kiev. Academic Sona Hoisington attributes this in part to a greater effort by Byzantines to convert and Christianize the Slavic peoples at the time. It was kept in a Vyshhorod nunnery until Yuri's son, Andrey of Bogolyubovo, brought it to Vladimir in 1155.

In a traditional account the horses transporting the icon had stopped near Vladimir and refused to go further. Accordingly, many people of Rus interpreted this as a sign that the Theotokos wanted the icon to stay there. The place was named Bogolyubovo, or "the one loved by God". Andrey placed it in his Bogolyubovo residence and built the Assumption Cathedral to legitimize his claim that Vladimir had replaced Kiev as the principal city of Rus. The icon was soon moved to the Assumption Cathedral after its consecration in 1160.

Following the consecration of the Assumption Cathedral, which was soon followed by other churches dedicated to the Virgin, there is no record of the icon ever leaving Vladimir until 1395. However, its presence did not prevent the sack and burning of the city by the Mongols in 1238, when the icon was damaged in the fire. It was restored soon after the event, and again in 1431 and in 1512.

Transfer to Moscow
A legend formed that the icon was painted by Luke the Evangelist from life; the first written account of this story dates back to 1512. The intercession of the Theotokos through the image has also been credited with saving Moscow from Tatar hordes in 1451 and 1480.

The image was brought from Vladimir to Moscow in 1395, during Tamerlane's invasion. The site where the Muscovites met the Vladimir delegation is commemorated by the Sretensky Monastery which is considered to be built where it occurred. However, no archeological evidence supports this claim, and much of the fifteenth-to-sixteenth century church was destroyed after renovations by the Russian Orthodox Church. Vasily I of Moscow spent a night crying over the icon, and Tamerlane's armies retreated the same day. The Muscovites refused to return the icon to Vladimir and placed it in the Dormition Cathedral of the Moscow Kremlin.

David Miller suggests that the icon was in fact normally still in Vladimir, with some excursions to Moscow, until the 1520s. Crediting the icon with saving Moscow in 1395 does not appear in sources until the late 15th century and the full version of the story until accounts of 1512 and then the 1560s. From the 16th century, the Vladimirskaya began to be featured as an important symbol in a series of politicized legends linking Moscow to pre-Mongol Rus and positioning it as the centre of Christianity after Rome and Byzantium—initially to sustain the imperial pretensions of Ivan IV, and later to influence state policy under the Riurikid and Romanov dynasties.

Post-revolution
Under the Bolsheviks, the icon came into the possession of the State Tretyakov Gallery. Displayed as a work of art, it was first put on display in the gallery in 1930 and kept there for at least the next 11 years. During the Battle of Moscow, Joseph Stalin allegedly had the icon flown around the city as the Germans began to invade. This was first described by Moscow city official Viktor Volokhov in his 2012 book Муниципальная милиция в Российской Федерации.

In 1993, it was moved to the Epiphany Cathedral for a Divine Liturgy in the wake of tensions between President Boris Yeltsin and the Russian Duma. Though it was damaged during the excursion, it was soon restored and given to the Church of St. Nicholas in Tolmachi.

Description
The icon is a tempera painting on wood, 106 × 69 cm in size, with the central 78 × 55 cm portion being original and the rest being a later expansion undertaken possibly to accommodate a larger riza. The icon depicts Jesus Christ as a child being held in the arms of his mother, Mary. They embrace cheek to cheek, with the child gazing towards and reaching for Mary. She holds him with one arm and solemnly looks out towards the viewer. The faces and hands are painted with greenish olive sankir, a mix of ochre pigment and soot, and transparent layers of brighter ochre; the child's face is rendered in a lighter shade than the mother's, perhaps to reflect the difference in their age. The child's clothes are painted with dark ochre and gold. The original painting bore the inscription ΜΡ ΘΥ, an abbreviation for 'Mother of God', of which only parts survive.

In its nine centuries of existence, the icon has been restored and overpainted at least five times to deal with damage and deterioration, including a fifteenth century restoration thought to have been led by Andrei Rublev. It is mainly the faces of Mary and Jesus and the gold ground above her head that are original twelfth-century paint. In the past, the icon has been covered with several elaborately designed oklad and riza (revetments) which caused damage to the frame. The reverse, which is much less well known, contains an image of the Hetoimasia ('prepared throne') and instruments of Christ's Passion that was painted in c. 14th century (prior to that the reverse side had a painting of an unidentified saint).

Among icons of Virgin Mary with Jesus, Our lady of Vladimir is classed as an Eleusa icon (Russian: Oumilenie), due to the tender attachment between mother and child. Theologians and believers have also commented upon the icons symbology and the religious sentiments it inspires. Contemplating the icon, theologian Henri Nouwen, remarked that the Virgin's eyes glance at neither the child or the viewer but appear to "look inward and outward at once"; that her free hand gestures towards the baby to "open a space for us to approach Jesus without fear"; and, that the child is shown as "a wise man dressed in adult clothes." Literary scholar, S. S. Averintsev interpreted the mix of maternal tenderness and poignant sorrow seen in Mary's expression, as representative of the emotions generated by the events of Nativity and Calvary, respectively. Jesus's bare feet are seen as symbolizing his physical reality; his garments of gold, the Kingdom of Heaven; and the three stars on Mary's dress (one occluded by the child), "her virginity before, during and after her son's birth."

Its artistic quality has been highly praised. Art historian David Talbot Rice said that "[Our Lady of Vladimir] ...is admitted by all who have seen it to be one of the most outstanding religious paintings of the world." Art historian George Heard Hamilton praises its "craftsmanship and conception", and notes how in its representation of the subject's faces, the icon subtly transitions from its normal use of contour lines to a refined surface texture. It is painted in an artistic style typical for Byzantine art of the period with features including smaller mouths, refined eyes, and elongating Mary's nose. However, by avoiding the use of demarcating line, as became common in later Byzantine art, and by setting up the complex interplay of the mother and child's glances, the icon adds to the illusion of life in the piece. The child's features are reminiscent of classical sculpture, though the artist renders an expression truer to an actual infant's. The expressive and humanistic character of the icon differentiates it from earlier Byzantine art and exemplify the artistic developments seen during the Komnenos dynasty.

In Russian history
The icon is generally considered to be one of the most cherished symbols in Russian history. Academic David Miller has ascribed this to its close connection to Russian national consciousness throughout its existence. Its transfer from Kiev to Vladimir was used by Bogolyubsky to legitimize Vladimir's claim as the new center of government in Kievan Rus'.

Additionally, its intimate association with important Russian historical events gave Our Lady of Vladimir the distinction of being a national palladium. The most recent of these events being the 1993 Russian constitutional crisis when it was brought to the Epiphany Cathedral at the request of Patriarch Alexy II and Mayor of Moscow Yury Luzhkov in their attempt to bring peace to the country.

As a religious icon
Our Lady of Vladimir's veneration is also likely enhanced by the fact that the Theotokos is regarded as the holy protectress of Russia. The venerated image has been used in celebration of coronations of tsars, elections of patriarchs, and other important ceremonies of state. The icon has three feast days held throughout the year in celebration to specific events it is associated with:

 * to celebrate Moscow's protection from Crimean Khan Mehmed Giray in 1521.
 * for, in 1480, for their victory against Khan Ahmed during the Great Stand on the Ugra River.
 * to commemorate the Muscovite deliverance from pending invasion by Tamerlane.

Location and display
Our Lady of Vladimir is on display at the Church of St. Nicholas in Tolmachi. As a result of an agreement between the Tretyakov and Moscow Patriarchate, the church is both an active Russian Orthodox house church and functioning museum. Previously, there had been a contentious ownership dispute between the two.

In 1997, the Tretyakov completed a full restoration of the church. Security improvements to store and display art were added, and an underground passageway was additionally made to connect it to the State Tretyakov Gallery. In order to house the famous icon, a temperature controlled bulletproof glass case was commissioned. On 7 September 1996, Our Lady of Vladimir was first installed in the special case located within the church, and the next day Patriarch Alexy II consecrated the church. According to Archpriest Nikolai Sokolov, the rector for the church, the case would able to withstand the firing of a Kalashnikov rifle as well as many other potential hazards.

Due to its dual status as both church and museum, visitors are allowed to pray before the icon and divine Liturgies are regularly held on selected days. However, visitors can only enter the church through the Tretyakov Gallery and via the underground passageway.

Copies and influence
Even more than most, the original icon has been repeatedly duplicated for centuries, and many copies also have considerable artistic and religious significance of their own. According to Suzanne Massie, it became a standard for many Russian contemporary depictions of Mary.

In preparation for the 1980 Summer Olympics, a chapel was constructed for athletes to be able to pray before competition which hosted a copy of the icon.

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Martha Tabram

Martha Tabram (née White; 10 May 1849 – 7 August 1888) was an English woman killed in a spate of violent murders in and around the Whitechapel district of East London between 1888 and 1891. She may have been the first victim of the unidentified serial killer Jack the Ripper.

Although not one of the canonical five Ripper victims whom historians have broadly acknowledged, she is considered the next most likely candidate.

Early life
Tabram was born Martha White in Southwark, London, on 10 May 1849. She was the youngest of five children born to Charles Samuel White, a warehouseman, and his wife, Elisabeth Dowsett. In order of birth, her four older siblings were Henry, Stephen, Esther and Mary Ann. She was 5 feet 3 inches (160 cm) tall and had dark hair.

In May 1865, Tabram's parents separated; six months later, her father died of natural causes at the age of 59. According to his daughter Mary Ann, her father had been unable to work for several months prior to his death.

Marriage
On Christmas Day 1869, Martha married a foreman furniture packer named Henry Samuel Tabram. The service was conducted at Trinity Church in St. Mary's Parish, Newington. In 1871, the couple moved to a house close to Martha's childhood home. She and Henry had two sons: Frederick John Tabram (born February 1871) and Charles Henry Tabram (born December 1872).

Because of Martha's drinking, which was heavy enough to cause alcoholic fits, the Tabrams' marriage was troubled. Martha's husband left her in 1875. For about three years he paid her an allowance of 12 shillings a week, then reduced this to two shillings and sixpence when he heard she was living with another man.

Tabram lived on and off with Henry Turner, a carpenter, from about 1876 until three weeks before her death. This relationship was also troubled by Martha's drinking and occasionally staying out all night. She, and her sons, were listed as being overnight inmates at the Whitechapel Union workhouse's casual ward at Thomas Street on the census night of 1881. By 1888 Turner was out of regular employment and the couple earned income by selling trinkets and other small articles on the streets, while lodging for about four months at 4 Star Place, off Commercial Road in Whitechapel. Around the beginning of July, they left abruptly, owing rent, and separated for the last time about the middle of that month. Tabram moved to a common lodging house at 19 George Street, Spitalfields. By the time of her death, Tabram's economic situation had become so desperate that she was forced to trade sex for money on the streets.

6 August 1888
On 6 August 1888, the night before her murder, Tabram was drinking ale and rum with another woman, and some-time prostitute, Mary Ann Connelly, known as "Pearly Poll", and two soldiers in a public house, the Angel and Crown, close to George Yard Buildings. The four of them paired off, left the public house and separated at approximately 11:45 p.m., each woman with her own client. Martha and her client went to George Yard, a narrow north–south alley connecting Wentworth Street and Whitechapel High Street, entered from Whitechapel High Street by a covered archway next to The White Hart Inn. George Yard Buildings, a block of tenement flats built in 1876, were on the western side of the alley, near the northern end to the back of Toynbee Hall. Pearly Poll and her client went to the parallel Angel Alley.

Murder

In the early hours of the following morning, a resident of the Buildings, one Mrs. Hewitt, was awoken by cries of "Murder!", but domestic violence and shouts of that nature were common in the area and she ignored the noise. At 2:00 a.m., two other residents, husband and wife Joseph and Elizabeth Mahoney, returned to the Buildings and saw no one on the stairs. At the same time, the patrolling beat officer, PC Thomas Barrett, questioned a grenadier loitering nearby, who replied that he was waiting for a friend. At 3:30 a.m., resident Albert George Crow returned home after a night's work as a cab driver and noticed Tabram's body lying on a landing above the first flight of stairs. The landing was so dimly lit that he mistook her for a sleeping vagrant and it was not until just before 5:00 a.m. that a resident coming down the stairs on his way to work, dock labourer John Saunders Reeves, realised she was dead.

Reeves fetched Barrett, who sent for Dr. Timothy Robert Killeen to examine the body. Killeen arrived at about 5:30 a.m. and estimated that Tabram had been dead for around 3 hours. Her killer had stabbed her 39 times in the body and neck, including nine times in the throat, five in the left lung, two in the right lung, one in the heart, five in the liver, two in the spleen, and six in the stomach, also wounding her lower abdomen and genitals. She was lying on her back and her clothing was raised to her middle, exposing her lower half, which indicated the body lay in a sexual position. Killeen, however, could supply no evidence of intercourse. The testimony of the residents and Dr Killeen indicated that Tabram was killed between 2:00 a.m. and 3:30 a.m. Residents had seen and heard nothing amiss between these times.

Investigation
The local inspector of the Metropolitan Police Force, Edmund Reid of H Division Whitechapel, was in charge of the investigation. He arranged for PC Barrett to visit the Tower of London on 7 August in the hope that Barrett could identify the man he had seen standing in the street. Barrett did not recognise any of the men. A parade of all the soldiers on leave on the night of the murder was arranged at the Tower on 8 August, and this time PC Barrett picked out a man. On being asked to re-examine his choice, Barrett picked out another man, and the first was allowed to leave. Barrett explained his change of heart by stating that the man he had seen in George Yard had no medals, whereas the man he had selected at first did. Barrett's second choice, John Leary, claimed that on the night of the murder he had gone drinking in Brixton with a buddy, Private Law. According to Leary, they had missed each other at closing time and he had gone for a walk before meeting up with Law in the Strand at about 4:30 a.m., whereupon they had another drink in Billingsgate before returning to the Tower. Law was interviewed, separately from Leary, and his version of the night's events corresponded exactly with Leary's. On the strength of their corroborating statements and because of Barrett's uncertain identification, Leary and Law were dismissed from the inquiry.

Another soldier from the Tower, Corporal Benjamin, who was absent without leave, was also dismissed from the investigation after it transpired that he had been visiting his father in Kingston-upon-Thames.

Connelly was not wholly cooperative with police and hid with a cousin for a while near Drury Lane, not coming forward until 9 August. She missed an identity parade arranged at the Tower for 10 August, but attended the rescheduled one on the 13th. Connelly failed to recognise the clients and claimed that the men that night had worn white cap-bands. As such bands were worn only by the Coldstream Guards, rather than the Grenadier Guards at the Tower, Connelly was taken to another identity parade at Wellington Barracks on the 15th, where she picked out two soldiers, but both had solid alibis. One had been at home with his wife, while the other had been in the barracks. Tabram's body was formally identified on 14 August by her estranged husband. At the time of her death she was wearing a black bonnet, a long black jacket, a dark green skirt, a brown petticoat and stockings, and spring-sided boots showing considerable wear. She was 5 feet 3 inches tall and had dark hair. The inquest into her death was concluded by deputy coroner for South-East Middlesex George Collier on 23 August at the Working Lad's Institute, Whitechapel Road, with a verdict of murder by person or persons unknown. No suspect was ever arrested for Tabram's murder.

Jack the Ripper
Contemporary newspaper reports published at the beginning of September linked Tabram's murder to those of Emma Elizabeth Smith on 3 April and Mary Ann Nichols on 31 August, though before she died, Smith had told the police that a gang had attacked her. The later killings of Annie Chapman on 8 September, of both Elizabeth Stride and Catherine Eddowes on 30 September and of Mary Jane Kelly on 9 November were also linked at the time to Tabram's. The last five murders mentioned are now generally referred to as the "canonical five" victims of Jack the Ripper. All were knife murders of impoverished prostitutes in the Whitechapel and Spitalfields districts, generally perpetrated in darkness in the small hours of the morning, in a secluded site to which the public could gain access, and which occurred on or close to a weekend or holiday.

The police did not connect the murder with Smith's, but they did connect her death with the later five murders. Later students of the Ripper murders have largely excluded Tabram from the list of Ripper victims, chiefly because her throat was not cut in the manner of later victims, nor was she eviscerated. This view was advanced by Sir Melville Macnaghten, Assistant Chief Constable of the Metropolitan Police Service Criminal Investigation Department, who implied that Tabram was murdered by an unidentified soldier or soldiers in an 1894 memorandum on the murders. Dr Killeen, who performed the post mortem on Tabram, strengthened this belief with his opinion that two weapons were used—one of Tabram's wounds, which penetrated the chest bone, was inflicted with a weapon longer and stouter than the others, a dagger or possibly a bayonet, while the others were inflicted with a shorter, slimmer knife.

Several 20th-century psychological reports have assumed Mary Ann Nichols to have been Jack the Ripper's first victim, but add that her murder was unlikely to have been his first attack. Some have suggested the Ripper may have murdered Tabram before perfecting his modus operandi of overpowering and cutting the throats of his victims. Other researchers, however, such as Philip Sugden in The Complete History of Jack the Ripper, and Sean Day in Peter Underwood's Jack the Ripper: One Hundred Years of Mystery, do view Tabram as a probable Ripper victim.

Sir Melville Macnaghten was only actively involved in the Whitechapel murders investigation between 1889 and 1891; thus, his notes reflect only the opinions of some police officers at the time and include several factual errors in the information presented pertaining to possible suspects. Serial killers have been known to have changed their murder weapons, but especially to develop their modus operandi over time, as the Ripper did with increasingly severe mutilations. While the five canonical Ripper murders were located roughly north, south, east and west of Whitechapel, Tabram's murder occurred close to their geographic centre. It is possible that her murder was one of the first committed by the Ripper before he had chosen his later modus operandi.

In 1998 an Australian researcher, Ted Linn, produced his findings in a booklet called The Case of the Redhanded Copycat, in which he outlines his case that Martha's husband, Henry Samuel Tabram, was the real Ripper. He bases this on cryptographic clues he claims to have found in letters written by the Ripper and other evidence.

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Off the rails
POV rant about a rail website, claiming that on the website the only person who was any good was me -- Chris 73 Talk 11:52, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC) .*Delete, POV piece on website. If this is going to be kept we need some facts about it - if it's notable. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 13:02, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * delete, POV rant about non-notable website - Ferkelparade π 12:23, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Badly-written POV. utcursch 13:18, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Yet another website. And POV ranting as well.  Well, at least it wasn't hype promoting the website... P Ingerson 19:02, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. POV and non-notable. Jayjg 20:37, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete Remove the PoV and zero is left. The writing is horrid as well, even as satire. Wyss 20:39, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ubergeek

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Ubergeek
Dicdef and neologism. I haven't heard this word used outside of a few magazines. Luigi30 11:56, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete as POV neology dic def. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]]
 * Delete as trivial dicdef: we have über, geek and English compounds already. :-) This is almost a speedy. Almost. JRM 12:15, 2004 Dec 8 (UTC)
 * Delete, although it's quite a common term in certain circles. Still a dicdef with little to no potential to expand -- Ferkelparade π 12:25, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, I wrote it because I saw the term used in a Wired news article describing 'geeks and ubergeeks' and wondered what the difference was. I saw no reference to ubergeek here, so decided to find the definition elsewhere and add it. Thought an encyclopaedia helped one find definitions without having to look up each individual compound and forge a meaning (which is not always true in any case). But if this breaks wp rules sure go ahead delete it. Just thought it was a nice intro to my writing for wp on a term wp did not already contain. PS I haven't heard of a lot of stuff mentioned on wp or indeed other encyclopaedias, but that in itself doesn't invalidate a word, or a newly formed word. Sigh. (author: see sarcasm before it gets moved to the dictionary - rofl - perhaps also apathy which interestingly isn't voted to move to dictionary even though it is also a definition - LOL)
 * This one should be a speedy delete now, since the author has voted for deletion. utcursch 13:18, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

 * Move to Wiktionary. Certainly familiar with the term.--Tomheaton 13:35, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I've heard the term, the article as it stands is probably better in Wiktionary than Wikipedia. Average Earthman 15:30, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Move to Wiktionary. Term is in legitimate fairly frequent use in geek culture circles (Slashdot, The Register, etc.) but needs no more that a definition. Be sure to list both under "ubergeek" and "übergeek" as it has the umlaut as often as not. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 16:42, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to Wikitionary. Certainly seen this used and use it myself. David Johnson 17:52, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to the Wiktionary. [[User:GRider|GRider\talk]] 18:49, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Move to Wiktionary. P Ingerson 19:04, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Move to Wiktionary. Definitely familiar with the term, but shouldn't be here. Katefan0 19:20, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * Wictionary Wyss 20:34, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Transwiki to Wiktionary. Jayjg 20:36, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Gamaliel 20:37, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Linus Torvalds. :) Shane King 00:22, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Neologism, one of several that have recently been made fashionable than formerly by the craze for adding the German über to an English substantive or even an adjective.  Most of them will be gone by the end of the academic year.  Not worth a transwiki in my opinion. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 00:33, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Wikitionary --Edeans 03:15, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Transfer to the Wiktionary. —[[en:RaD Man|RaD Man (talk)]] 04:47, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Move to Wiktionary.: I myself use this term frequently. Coolgamer 03:32, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Del. no wiktionary. Mikkalai 08:34, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Slang dicdef. JFW | T@lk  11:37, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Transwiki -> Wiktionary. It goes hand-in-hand with alphageek. Markaci 11:49, 2004 Dec 13 (UTC)

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Ford Focus RS WRC

The Ford Focus RS WRC is a car built for the Ford World Rally Team by Ford Europe and M-Sport and based on the Ford Focus Climate 2-litre production hatchback, developed to compete in the World Rally Championship. The RS stands for Rallye Sport and the WRC for World Rally Car, the car's FIA specification. The Focus RS WRC was in competition from 1999 to 2010, winning 44 world rallies and two manufacturers' world titles (2006 and 2007). It was replaced by the Ford Fiesta RS WRC.

Like all contemporary World Rally Cars, the car is heavily modified from the production version, with which it shares only the basic shape and some parts of the bodyshell. The car features four-wheel drive, rather than the front-wheel drive of the road car. The engine used in the 2007 Focus WRC is based on Ford's 2.0 Litre Duratec from other models in the Focus range as rallying rules do not permit the standard 2.5-litre engine of the Focus ST or road going RS. As with most rally cars, the 2.0-litre engine is heavily modified and performance was increased using a turbocharger. The 2009 Ford Focus RS WRC uses a Ford 1998cc Pipo built I4 Duratec WRC engine (four cylinders, 16 valves, bore 85 mm and stroke 88 mm), Pi electronic engine management system, Garrett turbocharger (with required 34 mm inlet restrictor), air intercooler, and a catalytic converter.

The car's transmission is a permanent four-wheel drive with an M-Sport designed active centre differential, Pi electronic differential control units, M-Sport/Ricardo five-speed sequential gearbox with electro-hydraulically controlled shift and an M-Sport/Sachs multi-disc carbon clutch.

History
The first version of the car was built in 1999 to replace the Ford Escort WRC. It debuted in the Monte Carlo Rally with Colin McRae and Simon Jean-Joseph behind the wheels of the two cars. It was immediately on the pace, setting many fastest stage times, but the use of an illegal water pump meant that the two cars were excluded from the event. McRae gave the Focus its first win two events later on the Safari Rally Kenya finishing over 15 minutes ahead of the second placed Toyota of Didier Auriol. Despite coming close on several occasions, the car never won either the drivers or manufacturers title. This included McRae losing the 2001 title by 2 points after crashing out of the final round.

In 2003, Ford released a newly designed Focus RS WRC, named Focus RS WRC 03, for competition during the second part of the season. The car, with most parts redesigned from the ground up, featured a lighter body shell and a new aerodynamically enhanced front bumper and wing. Markko Märtin drove the car to two world rally victories. The 2004 and 2005 Focus RS WRCs were evolutions based on the RS WRC 03. The Focus RS WRC 04 won three events with Märtin at the wheel. By 2005, the car was no longer very competitive and Ford had a winless season.

From the last rally of the 2005 season, Ford campaigned a brand new model, the Focus RS WRC 06, following the launch of the new road-going version of the car. The engine chosen for this Focus was a Duratec motor developed by the French engine specialist Pipo Moteur. In the hands of Marcus Grönholm and Mikko Hirvonen, the car took eight world rally wins in the 2006 season, winning the first manufacturers' championship for Ford since 1979.

The Focus RS WRC 07 is based on the 2006 model, and according to Ford's technical director Christian Loriaux "the changes on the new car are mainly to save weight and to improve efficiency, driveability and performance at the bottom end of the range." The car debuted very successfully at the 2007 Rally Finland as Ford's Finns Grönholm and Mikko Hirvonen finished in first and second. Ford successfully defended the manufacturers' championship in 2007. The car later made history at the 2008 Swedish Rally when Jari-Matti Latvala used it to become the youngest-ever driver to win a world rally.

The Focus RS WRC 08 is based on the 2007 model. The Focus WRC 08 was in competition for the first time with its new front aero design at the 2008 Rallye Deutschland. The 2008 version of the Focus RS WRC includes design style changes as well as engine improvements. Style changes to the grill area reflect the looks of the recently previewed Focus RS Mk II road sport car. The 2008 RS WRC was driven to its only victory at the 2008 Rally Japan.

The 2009 version of the Focus RS WRC debuted at the 2009 Rally d'Italia Sardegna, leading Ford to a 1-2. It includes small design style changes. Style changes were made to the lights frame and rear bumper to bring the look closer to the Focus RS Mk II 2009 road sport car. The 2009 Focus RS WRC remained the last of Ford's WRC cars based on the Focus. It was replaced by the Ford Fiesta RS WRC after the 2010 season.

The Ford Focus RS WRC appeared in 173 World Rally Championship events, winning 44 and collecting 142 podium places.

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Nell McAndrew

Tracey Jane McAndrew (born 6 November 1973 ), known as Nell McAndrew, is an English glamour model, TV presenter and fitness trainer. She is also an accomplished amateur athlete, with a marathon personal best time of 2:54:39.

Early life
McAndrew was born in Leeds on 6 November 1973. She has an older sister and two younger brothers. After leaving school she briefly worked as a clerk for the Yorkshire Bank.

Career
McAndrew first signed up with a modelling agency as the result of a suggestion by her hairdresser. She started her modelling career as a catalogue and magazine model and as a Marilyn Monroe lookalike. For a modelling assignment in Germany, she was required to shave her head. In the UK, she first appeared on television as one of the hostesses on the game show Man O Man in 1996. She later appeared in the Daily Star as a Page 3 girl but it was her role as the Lara Croft model for the video game Tomb Raider between 1998 and 1999 that brought her to the public's attention. McAndrew was fired from her stint as Croft in 1999 after posing nude for Playboy. This was partly due to Playboy printing references to Lara Croft and Tomb Raider on the cover, which were removed when Eidos, the maker of the game, threatened a lawsuit.

She has since enjoyed a successful career as a glamour model, frequently appearing in FHM, Maxim and Loaded. She has also appeared in fitness magazines, including Shape and Personal Trainer.

McAndrew, affectionately referred to as a forces sweetheart, has visited the British Armed Forces at bases all over the world.

She has had a television career as a presenter on Racing Rivals, Born to Fight, It's a Knockout and The Big Breakfast. She has been a contestant on various gameshows and reality shows including Fort Boyard, I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here!, Celebrities Under Pressure, Family Fortunes and Dancing on Ice.

Her first fitness video, Peak Energy was released in 2002 and became a best seller. It was followed up by Maximum Impact in December 2003 and Ultimate Challenge, Ultimate Results in December 2004.

In 2003 she was voted the Yorkshire Woman of the Year and in 2005 she won Rear of the Year.

McAndrew has been part of a number of PR campaigns for Yorkshire Water, including a digital version of her in their Sewer Raider item on the company website. She also fronted an advertising campaign for Activia Yoghurt.

In January 2009, McAndrew helped Benenden Healthcare Society, a mutual not-for-profit healthcare organisation, launch their "Fresh Start, Get on Track" campaign, appearing in nationwide radio interviews and online webchats.

Sport
McAndrew's time in the 2005 London Marathon was fast enough that she qualified to run in the British Championship women's race in future events.

For the 2008 Great North Run, she competed with the fun runners dressed as Wonder Woman to help raise funds for charity.

In March 2012 McAndrew was the first woman across the finish line in the five-mile National Lottery Olympic Park Run in a personal best time of 29 minutes and 21 seconds.

With a marathon personal best time of 3:08:25, McAndrew was aiming for her first sub-three-hour marathon in the 2012 London Marathon: "2:59:59 I'd be ecstatic, but if I could get anything under 3:08 I've still got a personal best, which is still amazing, but it's just that kind of magic number of three hours ... I just want to get under that three hours." She went on to finish the race in 2:54:39, beating her previous personal best by 13 minutes and 46 seconds. Subsequently commentators Steve Cram and Brendan Foster noted that only 88 British women had run a sub-3-hour marathon during 2011. It was 47th fastest time by a British woman that year and the 9th fastest by a British woman over 35.

On 11 September 2016, she took part in the Great North Run to raise funds for Alzheimer's Society and Cancer Research UK.

† – half marathon ‡ – 5-mile race ¥ – of the 13,064 women who completed the race McAndrew finished 46th

Personal life
After announcing their engagement in September 2004, McAndrew married property developer Paul Hardcastle twice: first in November 2004 in Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, England, then again at a marriage blessing in December 2004 in Dubai. McAndrew and her husband have a son, Devon, born on 24 August 2006.

In March 2009 she revealed that she was still breastfeeding her son, and talked about the criticisms she was receiving for this practice.

McAndrew gave birth to a second child, a daughter, in March 2013.

Charitable activity
McAndrew has supported a range of charities including Breast cancer awareness, Help the Aged, the British Heart Foundation, DEBRA, Cancer Research UK, the Lymphoma Association and SSAFA. She is also a Vice president of the Leeds Rugby Foundation charity.

Launching the Cancer Research UK Race for Life 2008 in London's Regent's Park, she joined a group of other women whose training outfits were painted on their bodies.

McAndrew ran for the Alzheimer's Society in the Bupa Great North Run in Newcastle in September 2010. In March 2012 she set a personal best half marathon time of 1:21.54 whilst running for Cancer Research UK at the Bath Half Marathon.

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Concord Repatriation General Hospital

Concord Repatriation General Hospital (abbreviated CRGH), commonly referred to as Concord Hospital, is a district general hospital in Sydney, Australia, on Hospital Road in Concord. It is a teaching hospital of Sydney Medical School at the University of Sydney, where it is referred to as Concord Clinical School, and a major facility in the Sydney Local Health District and the former Sydney South West Area Health Service. The NSW Statewide Severe Burn Injury Service and the Bernie Banton Centre, an asbestos diseases research institute, are located there.

Parts of the television series All Saints were filmed at CRGH.

History
Prior to the Second World War, the 16 ha Yaralla Estate on which the hospital is built belonged to philanthropist Thomas Walker and subsequently his daughter Dame Eadith Walker. A small hospital had already been established on the site, known as the Thomas Walker Convalescent Hospital. Following the death of Dame Eadith in 1937, the property was bequeathed to the Crown for development as a public hospital.

The current hospital was commissioned in 1939 as a general hospital for the Australian Army and opened on 11 March 1941. When completed in 1942, the 2,000-bed Yaralla Military Hospital (113th Australian General Hospital [A.G.H.]) was the largest hospital in the Southern Hemisphere. The main hospital building (currently known as the Multi Building) was one of the tallest buildings in Sydney when completed and its design won architects Stephenson & Turner the Sulman Award in 1946.

Following the war, the hospital became a repatriation hospital for returned servicemen under the jurisdiction of the Commonwealth government, with a change in name to Repatriation General Hospital, Concord (RGHC). In 1963, RGHC became a teaching hospital of the University of Sydney.

Recognising the growing community need, the hospital began providing care for general community patients in 1974, including the opening of an emergency department in 1977. In 1993, the hospital was transferred to the Central Sydney Area Health Service of the New South Wales Department of Health as a public hospital and renamed to the current Concord Repatriation General Hospital.

Memorials
Although it is no longer under the jurisdiction of the Department of Veterans' Affairs, the hospital retains a historical significance to the veterans community in New South Wales. A number of memorials maintain these links, including:

 * Australian Hospital Ship Centaur memorial, a stained-glass window adjacent to the main entrance of the hospital
 * Kokoda Track Memorial Walkway and memorial rose garden, forming the major part of the designated route for commuting to/from Rhodes railway station.
 * Anzac Day remembrance services

Future
During mid-2006, construction work commenced on a new mental health precinct at the northern end of the hospital grounds. On completion the Sydney South West Area Mental Health Service (SSWAHMS) will relocate the majority of its existing services from The Rozelle Hospital to the new facilities at CRGH.

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Emma Turner

Emma Turner may refer to:

 * Emma Louisa Turner (1866–1940), British ornithologist and bird photographer
 * a pseudonym for Martha Tabram (1849–1888), murdered English prostitute

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Neustadt (Dosse)

Neustadt (Dosse) is a town in the district of Ostprignitz-Ruppin, Brandenburg, Germany with a population of 3,575 (as of 2010). It has a total area of 75.43 km2, and lies close to the river Dosse.

History
Neustadt was founded in 1407 by the Count of Ruppin. In 1788, the Prussian king Friedrich William II expanded the town and his stud. Until today, the national stud of Brandenburg (Brandenburgisches Haupt- und Landgestüt, i.e. Brandenburgian Main and State Stud) is located in Neustadt which is thus a principal place of the horse breeding in Brandenburg, especially for horses of the Brandenburger breed.

From 1815 to 1945, Neustadt was part of the Prussian Province of Brandenburg. from 1952 to 1990, it was part of the Bezirk Potsdam of East Germany.

Areas
Babe, Helenenhof, Kampehl, Köritz, Leddin, Lindenau, Neuhof, Neuroddahn, Plänitz, Schönfeld, Spiegelberg, and Strubbergshof.

Mayor
Sabine Ehrlich (SPD) was elected in May 2014 with 54,3 % of the votes for a term of five years.

Sightseeing
The mummy of Christian Friedrich von Kahlbutz is located in Kampehl, which is a locality of Neustadt (Dosse).

Transportation
At Neustadt, there is a train stop of the regional express on the Berlin–Hamburg Railway.

Sons and daughters of the town

 * Ludwig Jonas (1797-1859), theologian
 * August Lindemann (1842-1921), architect
 * Paul Gustaf Krause (1867-1945), paleontologist
 * Fritz Thörner (1869-1940), writer

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Princess Alexandra Hospital, Brisbane

The Princess Alexandra Hospital (PAH) is a major Australian teaching hospital of the University of Queensland, located in Brisbane, Queensland. It is a tertiary level teaching hospital with all major medical and surgical specialities onsite except for obstetrics, gynaecology, paediatrics, and medical genetics. It has a catchment population of 1.6 million people with 1038 beds and 5,800 full-time equivalent staff. In 2005, the hospital received Magnet Recognition.

The hospital is located on Ipswich Road in Woolloongabba, an inner-city suburb of Brisbane.

History
The hospital is built on the site of the 1883 Diamantina Orphanage, named after Diamantina Bowen, wife of the first Governor of Queensland, and the former Queensland School for the Deaf, which closed in 1988. In 1901, it became Diamantina Hospital for Chronic Diseases. In 1943, it became the South Brisbane Auxiliary Hospital and then the South Brisbane Hospital in 1956.

In 1959, it became the Princess Alexandra Hospital and was opened by and named after HRH Princess Alexandra, to mark the Centennial of Queensland. In 2000, a new building was opened to replace the ageing red-brick hospital complex built in the 1950s. The current emergency department is situated on the site of the former nurses' quarters building, while the demolished pathology wing was located at the front of the campus off Ipswich Road.

Major milestones for the hospital included: opening of its first short-stay medical assessment unit in 1960, dialysis unit in 1963, ICU in 1964 (which was a 12-bed bay in the operating theatre recovery area), spinal unit in 1965, renal transplant unit in 1969, and coronary care unit in 1971.

Electronic health records
It was the first hospital in Queensland to be fully digitised in 2016, a process led by Dr Stephen Ayre, a former general practitioner, who was then the executive director. Observations and vital signs from patient monitoring devices are automatically uploaded to patient records. All records are visible to all clinicians. Within a year this resulted in significant benefits:
 * 14% fewer drug administration and monitoring errors
 * 33% fewer drug dispensing and supply incidents,
 * 17% fewer emergency readmissions within 28 days of discharge,
 * drug costs per weighted activity unit came down by 14%,
 * 56% fewer stage 3 & 4 hospital-acquired pressure ulcers
 * healthcare associated infections down 37%.
 * early identification of deteriorating patients went up by 59%.

Units
Queensland's spinal injuries unit and the liver and kidney transplantation services are based at the hospital. The Cardiothoracic Surgery Unit opened in 1998. In the following years the unit performed more than 10,000 operations.

Emergency department expansion
From 2009 to 2011 major expansion works were undertaken, including the doubling in size of the emergency department, the construction of a helipad with express elevators, and new oncology bunkers for cancer treatment.

Centres
The P.A. Hospital Foundation is located at the Princess Alexandra Hospital. The foundation raises money for medical research on the P.A. Hospital campus. In April 2008, the Diamantina Institute for Cancer, Immunology and Metabolic Medicine was opened at the hospital. In July 2011, the Diamantina Health Partners, Queensland's first academic health science centre, was opened. The Diamantina Health Partners head office is located within the Translational Research Institute on the P.A. Hospital campus. In mid-2014, the Diamantina Health Partners joined with the Mayne Health Science Alliance and Children's Health Queensland to form the Brisbane Diamantina Health Partners Academic Health Science System, also housed within the Translational Research Institute on the Princess Alexandra Hospital campus. The hospital is the state centre of excellence for renal transplant, liver transplant, trauma surgery and spinal injuries.

Transport
The PA Hospital can be accessed by the dedicated PA Hospital busway station, the Dutton Park Railway Station and by buses on Ipswich Road or Cornwall Street. A taxi rank is also located on Ipswich Road. In March 2008 a new 1400 bay car park was opened to service visitors and staff parking needs.

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Talk:Doujinshi

Just wondering...
I'm just wondering how you can publish your own comics, like Doujinshi, if anyone knows please post a message.Hey Joe what you know? (talk) 23:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This isn't the place for talking about that. But, I'll be nice anyway. If you're doing something that could be considered copyright infringement, publish online, or print and bind it yourself. If it's original, I would recommend MagCloud, or some other service, like CreateSpace, or Lulu. But, in all honesty, the Japanese print their own work. Marowmerowmer (talk) 08:16, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Definitions
Another thing you might want to add is the fact that Dojinshi doesn't stop at fan-created work of existing titles. Doujinshi is also comprised of "Original Work"....this brings you to large events outside of Comiket which is Comitia which solely places emphasis on original titles from independent artists/authors. In fact, Comiket ALSO has a big section of original works as well. I was just at the last two comikets as well as Comitia which is quartely so I've seen them. This article that is currently in Wikipedia is a bit misleading. I also second what the poster typed down below. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.6.89.169 (talk) 19:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello;

It's been a while I've been watching this page, and I've finally decided to say and do what I have to today.

As it's stated in the introduction of this article, Dojins arent restricted to comic books/mangas. Basically every medias are covered by doujin releases, such as games, music and videos. I am myself a Doujin Music amateur and feel having the general term Dojin linking to this Dojinshi entry, and the Dojin Soft one would be by far more logical. As a matter of fact, Doujinshi (同人誌) is a sub category of Doujin (同人). Doujin Music would be 同人音楽.

I hope it's ok for me to take such an step and that everyoen will understand and agree with my reasoning.

--Nikisiou 10:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

So what are these copyright laws that force short runs of doujinshi? --coldacid 14:20, 2004 May 3 (UTC)
 * There is no clause in the (Japanese) copyright law that exempts small runs from copyright infringement. The reality would be more about keeping a low enough profile so that the rightful copyright owners turn their blind eyes.--Outis 11:51, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'm preferring Doujinshi instead of Dojinshi for this article's name, for the same reason we prefer Tokyo to Tōkyō. Ashibaka ✎ 19:21, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * And what would that reason be? We don't call Tokyo 'Toukyou' either. I'm moving this over to Dojinshi as the Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) recommends. Jpatokal 12:01, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That reason would be the same reason it's ecchi and not etchi: the one used in english more is ecchi. Note that in the manual of style you quoted it says "An English word or name with a Japanese origin should be used in its English form in the body of an article, even if that is pronounced or spelled differently from the properly romanized Japanese form: use Mount Fuji, Tokyo, jiu jitsu, shogi and not Fujisan, Tōkyō, jūjutsu, shōgi." And note that in english, and indeed western languages in general, the more commonly used is doujinshi as noted here As a matter of fact, when you type dojinshi into google, it gives you the same message as though you had spelled it wrong. -Aknorals 22:07, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Speaking of ecchi, doesn't the H in H-dōjinshi come from pronounciation of this word, not from the first letter in hentai when romanized? --Mukashi 11:10, 2005 May 6 (UTC)

No, what we are really trying to get at is dojinshi with a macron. That is a more academic spelling than "doujinshi", which is popularized by anime fans. "Dojinshi" with a macron is not possible as an article title, so we use "dojinshi". "Dojinshi" isn't a person, and there is no one body that governs dojinshi, and dojinshi doesn't appear in the dictionary, so academic spelling applies. WhisperToMe 17:14, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Wait, so the academic spelling is more important than the spelling that virtually everyone uses? Ashibaka (tock) 16:06, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * According to WhisperToMe, it is. ¬_¬ 29 June 2005 20:49 (UTC)

 * I'm moving it back just becuase of a Google check-- doujinshi is 10 times more popular. This is ridiculous. Ashibaka (tock) 16:07, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * It's not a matter of academic or not-academic. There's nothing more "academic" about macrons, they're just harder to type. The "house style" for Japan-related wikipedia articles is to use the macron to indicate two-beat vowels, unless the word is already well-established in English. The "ou" is another way to do this. IMO, dojin/dojinshi is not really established in English outside of certain subcultures, so I think it's quite reasonable to render it with the macron, though this is something reasonable people can disagree on. adamrice 17:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are all arguing about. There is one usually accepted means of romanization. Ecchi stays ecchi. Try typing it into a japanese input method on your computer (if you have it installed). Someone correct me if I am wrong but ecchi in hiragana is えっち. Which would mean ecchi is the correct romanization. Likewise (correct me if I am wrong again) doujinshi is どうじんし and you should use a one or two letter set for most romanization (except for the more complex ones like kya きゃ and others). Wikipedia should stick to the generally accepted means of romanization. Dōjinshi should be changed to the accurate Doujinshi and Dojin should be changed to the accurate Doujin. This is the generally used term and is also correct romanization so there are no compromises. I do not see why people are having a problem with this. Ergzay 05:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

 * ((I'm new to wikipedia, so if I make any mistake don't be harsh, but do tell me, please.))Ecchi cannot be spelled in Hiragana. It IS the Japanese's pronunciation of the letter 'H' so it HAS to be written in katakana. The double 'cc' are used to stress the word. In spanish if 'rí' in María is stressed, when writting in katakana you usually put a hyphen ( - ) to stress the vowel. If you romanize it, then you will have to put a double vowel or a double consonant depends on what's being stressed. The same with 'ecchi'. Now Doujinshi is the most popular. The way I found this article was by writting Doujinshi in Google, not Dojinshi. If I am wrong, please do tell me and I'll ask my japanese teacher. ^^Sakura Miyamoto 03:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I just did some revising to the article and I also have a few statistics from doing google searches.
 * Dōjinshi: 466,000 hits
 * Dojinshi: 219,000 hits
 * Doujinshi: 2,420,000 hits
 * I think this makes it pretty obvious which name we should use for the page. Ergzay 05:49, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Ergzay: There is not just one "generally accepted" means of romanization, there are several, and Wikipedia has adopted one of them, which happens to use macrons for long vowels. There's a whole Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) page discussing this. And according to that manual of style, エッチ (not えっち) should be romanized "etchi" adamrice 17:29, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

 * What I meant by "generally accepted" is the means by which most of the fan community romanizes (and the only place ecchi is usually used). The っ or ッ symbols tend to be annoying to romanize but I think the generally used method of doubling the consonant is a good way of doing that. Thank you for correcting me in the fact its written in katakana and not hiragana. The Modified Hepburn that Wikipedia uses I consider to be incorrect. Macrons are not needed. Romanization should convey the original writing method as close as possible. Using a macron erases part of the spelling. (I stated this on the Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) talk page.) Now wether I agree personally with that method or not is not the issue here. The issue here is that a LARGE majority of fans (the ones who make doujinshi namely) romanize it doujinshi and not with a macron or just dojinshi. As the above wikipedia article page that you linked says "Article titles should use macrons except in cases where the macronless spelling is in common usage in English-speaking countries (e.g., Tokyo, Osaka, Sumo and Shinto, instead of Tōkyō, Ōsaka, Sumō and Shintō)." The common usage is Doujinshi which is what the article should be named. Ergzay 05:09, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Indeed, a "large majority of fans" may prefer "doujinshi" to other spellings, but the question here is, do you want this article to serve the interests of fans or of general readers? Doujinshi (however you spell it) is not well-established among English speakers at large, only among the sub-subculture of fandom interested in Japanese anime and manga (I didn't know the word at all, and I am a Japanese translator by trade and a science-fiction fan, so for that word to escape my notice suggests to me that it is, in fact, pretty specialized). If you want the article to serve the interests of the general reader, it makes more sense to spell this "dōjinshi" in general, with a redirect for "doujinshi" and a caveat "usually romanized as 'doujinshi' among fans." Do you want to set aside the manual of style for Japan articles because you consider it "incorrect" or do you want to maintain consistency to avoid confusing the wider audience? The "ou" for "long o" is potentially confusing to someone who doesn't know Japanese: consider the words through, though, trough, rough, trout. Which "ou" pronunciation should one use as the model for the ou in "doujinshi"? I'm not entirely sold on the macron'd o myself, but it does give readers who don't know Japanese a better idea of what the sound is. adamrice 18:26, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

 * To serve the interest of general readers, using the modified hepburn system would only serve to create even more confusion. Especially in the case of 'ecchi', the word is almost never romanized in japanese, and when it is, it is written as the letter "H", pronounced 'ecchi/etchi'. It is, though, along with the word 'hentai' popular in the west as a label for japanese drawn pornography. There is _no one_ that uses the word ecchi but those initiated. To create a 'new' romanization (although correct according to standards), is to cater for an audience that does not exist. It's something to think about, I think. (87.227.81.22 (talk) 01:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC))

Japanese Exclusivity
Are Dōjinshi exclusively Japanese? The web-comic Megatokyo (for example) explicitly claims to being a 'Doujinshi' and many other web-comics drawn in Manga style also would appear to fit the description to an extent (a better example might be the Powerpuff Girls Doujinshi). — Leedar 14:35, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * With the sheer numbers of artists and the increase in the popularity of anime/manga, I cannot imagine Doujinshi being Exclusively Japanese. KyuuA4 19:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

 * There's nothing exclusively Japanese about dojinshi (no need to capitalize), but the shi (誌) in dojinshi implies printed and bound pages. Megatokyo in its printed form is a commercial publication, so it's not accurate to call it dojinshi in format. As for what makes dojinshi a dojinshi, dojinshi is a publication (誌 shi) by people sharing a common interest (同人 dōjin). So a fanzine is a dojinshi. A fanfic anthology is a dojinshi. A literary anthology is also a dojinshi. Finally, a printed collection of comics and illustration by a single or multiple authors is a dojinshi. However, most printed matters that would be called dojinshi in Japan already have native names outside that country (eg, fanzine, APA). Also, many loanwords become very narrow in what they refer to in their adopted language, and this is happening when most people who use dojinshi in English conversation likely don't realize that the Japanese dōjinshi refer to more than just manga. Outis 30 Dec 2004

 * Perhaps this article is in need of correction if you are sure of that definition. — Leedar 08:26, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * You bet. --Outis 12:03, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * "The shi (誌) in dojinshi implies printed and bound pages"? Nonsense.  Let's look at a dojin circle and see how they use the word, shall we?  Quarter Iceshop will do.  Okay, it says here Quarter Iceshopの発行している同人誌について: 当サークルの本の内容は基本的に本Webサイト上で全て公開しております。無理に購入して頂かなくともネット環境さえあればその全内容が閲覧可能となりますのでご安心下さい。  Sure sounds to me like they're using "dojinshi" to describe a comic that's primarily distributed online...

 * I don't know how good your Japanese is, but the above quote and the actual website says, "The content of the dojinshi is also available online." Is your lack of access to printed dojinshi clouding your understanding? A dojinshi is a publication, and publications are still paper-based. Come back in ten years to claim otherwise.--Outis 08:23, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Sadly, for online material - we have the term "webcomic". KyuuA4 19:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

"Doujinshi," "doujin"
I think it's worth noting that in the English-speaking world "doujinshi" (or "doujin") is quite often a euphemism for hentai featuring characters from popular anime (Try searching "doujin" on Google for example). —Casey J. Morris July 7, 2005 06:42 (UTC)

 * It's the same in Japanese. Ashibaka (tock) 19:55, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Spam
There are 7 external links that all point to the same website. After looking at the history it would seem that whoever put those links there keeps putting them back after other someone has removed them. Can the spam be kept off of the article? —Isuldor 09:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Requested semi-protect for the page. I also suggest that the in-line spam be removed as well.--み使い Mitsukai 13:33, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I still question the validity of the external links, all four read like advertisements and aren't relevant to someone looking for information on dojinshi. 71.224.112.22 (talk) 03:58, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Dojinshi/Dojin merger

 * Oppose. Dojin is more than a mere abbreviation for dojinshi.  There's also Dojin soft, Dojin Music, List of dojin works, List of H dōjinshi authors and H dōjinshi to consider as well.  All are forks of the original dojin article and if anything, Dojinshi should be merged there, not the other way around.  However, since both are reasonably large, they should be kept seperate.--み使い Mitsukai 18:38, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Could you please fix the definition(s) in dojin/dojinshi, then? The current defs are almost verbatim copies of each other, with little indication how they're different. --moof 08:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I oppose for the same reasons as Mitsukai. As stated doujinshi is just a sub type under doujin as a whole. Doujin includes fan art, fan manga (doujinshi), and fan made other things all which fall under doujin but not all under doujinshi. Ergzay 05:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. They are indeed two different topic, although Dojinshi should be mentioned at the top of the dojin page because it is commonly used as an abbreviation of Dojinshi.
 * Oppose, and removing tags that have been there more than six months. Chris 18:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Legality
What about legality of doujinshi (when they use characters from another company's anime or manga)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.82.84.67 (talk • contribs).

Depends on the jurisdiction in which they are produced and/or distributed and the attitude to such fan created works of the intellectual property right(s) holder(s) in that jurisdiction or jurisdictions. Alex Law 08:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Free use image?
Any ideas on where to look into maybe finding someone willing to make their doujinshi free use? Or at least just the cover. Seems like someone out there wouldn't mind.--SeizureDog 08:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

 * FWIW I wouldn't mind actually drawing some goofy doujinshi cover, if it could somehow be allowed as a parody without bumping into several fair-use laws here. As soon as a picture depicting something already copyrighted shows up, tragedy ensues. Would you have to create something, freely license it, and then parody it? Gah. --Primetech 19:30, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Neutrality
Is it really neutral to state that "most" people in the west think of doujinshi as derivative or pornographic? According to what source? Personal experience? Bias against westerners? A source needs to be cited, or the neutrality of the "perception section needs to be assessed. Fade 00:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree. I updated it a little bit but there is still a lot that could be done. I also think it is incorrect to state that "A major part of dōjinshi, whether based on mainstream publications or original, contains sexually explicit material". Certainly there is no shortage of that sort of material but that statement makes it seem like that is the main point of creating dōjinshi, which I would say is not the case. The japanese wiki article on dōjinshi is very detailed and could be useful for anyone interested in fixing this article up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.33.12.93 (talk) 19:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Etymology
Notice that dōjinshi and samizdat both mean (roughly translated) "self-publishing". The fact that the one actually mostly means "porn" in practice, and the other "political pamphlet" (even if in neither case exclusively) seems to me to reflect on what is "repressed" in each of the originating countries. :-) -- Tonymec 17:57, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Japanese or English?
Yeah, that makes sense. --AnY FOUR! 23:17, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

are self-published Japanese or English works, usually manga or novels.
What? They only can be in English or Japanese? Better definition please. Like self-published manga with linkie to manga. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hitsuji Kinno (talk • contribs) 18:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

ru:Dōjinshi
I've decided not to add this information here, because it is not sourced, but, accroding to ru:Додзинси, dōjinshi was initially literary magazines (not novels), and the term itself is a Japanese portmanteau of dojinzasshi (同人雑誌). It's also said that the term was initially related to junbungaku literature (純文学), "pure literature" (i.e. serious books, not pop-oriented). -- deerstop. 16:47, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Coverage
Yano Research Reports on Japan's 2009-10 Otaku Market

--KrebMarkt (talk) 19:51, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Doujin opera
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Talk:Higurashi_When_They_Cry&diff=prev&oldid=448145945 --Gwern (contribs) 02:27 3 September 2011 (GMT)

Source
Major Wired article from 2007. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Touhou
Are you seriously trying to make people believe that Touhou doesn't have much adult dojinshi? Have you LOOKED around lately? There's a joke that goes "new Touhou doujins get created every 5 seconds". I'm sorry, I just don't buy that Touhou is an "exception" rather than the norm.--68.6.182.39 (talk) 21:22, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Random weirdness
I found this gem of an uncited statement: At the Convention, over 20 acres (81,000 m2) of dōjinshi are bought, sold, and traded by attendees. Obviously this needs to be fixed. Can someone improve this statement? Marowmerowmer (talk) 08:16, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

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Free use image
Can we have a more appropriate doujinshi cover image for this page? Right now we've got one about peeking at the panties of underage school girls. That kind of doujinshi is a pretty small minority. There are lots of safe for work doujinshi, and lots of doujinshi with erotic content that have safe for work covers. I feel that the current cover is giving the wrong impression of what most doujinshi are like.Amanoshi (talk) 11:58, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

 * Do you have an alternative free use image? Granted that the current image isn't a desirable one, but since this topic can be adequately conveyed by a free use image, you cannot use a copyrighted image. Even dōjinshi falls under copyright, so you cannot use a random image unless it is free use. EDIT: I am a little concern that there may have been a bait and switch with the image, because an entirely different image was uploaded to Commons within the past few days. Because this new image has not been verified as free use I am tempted to remove it until it is reverified. —Farix (t | c) 12:34, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

 * The only one I could find is a Western doujinshi of Naruto where the author has used a CC license: (https://imgur.com/a/jFECzpa) Does it still count as free use if it's a fanwork? Amanoshi (talk) 14:34, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The fact that it is based on copyrighted characters will prevent it being used on Wikipedia as an illustration of the topic. —Farix (t | c) 15:36, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * In that case, wouldn't a photograph of a doujinshi market like Comiket be more appropriate? That's what the Japanese Wikipedia article uses. The picture we have now is of an uncommon style for doujinshi covers and also uses google translated Japanese. I don't feel like it's an authentic portrayal of what Japanese doujinshi covers are like, and is more likely to be some random person using Wikipedia for their school girl panties fetish.Amanoshi (talk) 17:27, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * A photo of the Comiket crowd would be acceptable for the Comiket section, but not the section where the cover image is located. So that would not be a suitable replacement. —Farix (t | c) 20:57, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

 * Can we bring this up again? Not only is the image inauthentic (not a real doujinshi, uses fake Japanese, and honestly doesn't particularly look like actual doujinshi) but it gives a wholly inappropriate first impression of what doujinshi actually is. Sure there are plenty of erotic works out there, but a lot (most?) of it is not so. This image gives the impression that doujinshi is inherently sexual, and at that, sexualizes minors. My vote is that if a suitable replacement cannot be found, then it should be removed entirely with little if any detriment to the quality of the article. CharonM72 (talk) 21:11, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

I've removed this again for reasons similar to the ones articulated by Charon. Since it is not an actual doujin cover, it does not effectively illustrate the statement about how doujin covers emulate manga covers. Without that, we're just including an upskirt picture of a child for the hell of it. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:03, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 8 September 2020

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 09:09, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Dōjinshi → Doujinshi – Since the word "同人誌/dōjinshi" is commonly romanized as "doujinshi", I believe this article should be renamed in courtesy towards WP:COMMONNAME and the "Determining common usage" section of WP:ROMAJI... 69.160.29.222 (talk) 04:40, 8 September 2020 (UTC) 18:28, 23 June 2005 WhisperToMe talk contribs block 23 bytes +23  Doujinshi moved to Dojinshi 21:06, 6 July 2005 DopefishJustin talk contribs block 23 bytes +23  Dojinshi moved to Dōjinshi: macrons in titles are possible now Hopefully this will lead to stability. Andrewa (talk) 09:06, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support. While it's certainly unusual to enforce one particular romanization, the macron-less ou version is certainly the one I've always seen used in English.  It's a borderline word in that it's a Japanese word but one with consistent usage in English, so a "common name" type argument is reasonable here.  SnowFire (talk) 05:40, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Closing comment: I note two previous undiscussed moves

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Requested move 6 December 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved articles. Categories should be listed at WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy  (t · c)  buidhe  14:24, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

• Dōjin music → Doujin music

• Dōjin shop → Doujin shop

• Dōjin soft → Doujin soft

• Dōjinshi convention → Doujinshi convention

• Dōjinshi printer → Doujinshi printer – In September of this year, two discussions closed {1, 2} with the decision to move "Dōjin" to "Doujin" and "Dōjinshi" to "Doujinshi". As far as I can tell, there are now 5 pages on the English Wikipedia with "dōjin" in the title, so I wanted to start a discussion about them in the interest of consistency.

From what I can see, these last two moves were correct because they obey WP:ROMAJI, which says to use the most common romanization. Scholarly material on the subject of doujin culture is a little sparse, but my searches of Google Scholar ( "doujin", "dōjin", and "dojin") and Books ("doujin", "dōjin", and "dojin") seem to show a similar prevalence of "doujin" and "dōjin", though the sample size is very small. Here is the Ngram chart:.

A search of Anime News Network reporting (a common and widespread WP:ANIME RS) seems to show a prevalence of "doujin" (1,240 news hits) over "dōjin" (676 hits) and "dojin" (497 hits, though this captured many "dōjin" results as well) in raw numbers, as well in a variety of common uses. Searching specifically for the exact terms in this RM, though, the # of results are not sufficient to determine: { } and {  }.

Note to closer: there are several categories and subcategories that would be need to renamed if this proposal passes (see Category:Dōjin). — Goszei (talk) 09:50, 6 December 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 16:29, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Though "neither encouraged nor discouraged" per WP:DIACRITICS, the ngram suggests that this is the proper title.  It is also probably easier for the common English speaker to understand/pronounce phonetically.  And of course, consistency with prior moves. -2pou (talk) 17:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Doujinshi convention: move discussion in progress
See Talk:Doujinshi convention. --Thibaut (talk) 04:11, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

John Opplinger's claims on western fans
Can we get rid of this bit? It's so obviously nonsense. Eldomtom2 (talk) 09:50, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:Doujinshi