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Binatone

Binatone is a British-Chinese telecommunications company.

Binatone was started in the United Kingdom in 1958 by two brothers, Gulu Lalvani and Partap Lalvani, to import and distribute consumer electronics. The company was named after their sister, Bina.

History

Between 1976 and 1979, Binatone produced the "Binatone TV Master" series of first generation video game consoles.

In 1983 Binatone was the first in Europe with fixed-line consumer products that could be bought at electronics retailers. This marked the beginning of a gradual change from Binatone's focus on audio and vision to telecom products.

In 2008, Dino Lalvani, son of Gulu Lalvani, purchased the company from his father and took over as chairman.

Binatone was the official shirt sponsor of Queens Park Rangers Football Club from 2003 to 2006.

Binatone manufactures products under its own brand apart from utilising the AEG and Motorola brands under licence.

In 2013, Binatone released ReadMe Mobile, an Android tablet/eReader. The device specializes as an eBook with a keypad, and a non-reflective screen.

Binatone created an N95 mask and combined it with a Bluetooth headset in January of 2021. The company unveiled MaskFone at the CES 2021.

Consoles
A very early console was the TV Game unit but the first series was the TV master series which are black & white pongs (first generation).

 * TV Master MK IV
 * TV Master 4 plus 2
 * TV Master MK 6
 * TV Master MK 8
 * TV Master MK 10

The Colour TV series are the same games but in colour.

 * Colour TV Game
 * Colour TV Game 4 plus 2
 * Colour TV Game MK 6
 * Colour TV Game MK 10

Related brands
Binatone markets baby monitors, pet monitors, telephones, headphones and car accessories under the Motorola brand name under an agreement with Motorola Mobility and earlier, Motorola Inc.

Binatone also operates a subsidiary Hubble Connected that acts as a platform for connected devices. It acquired a Bengaluru, India-based startup Connovate in 2014 that merged into Hubble. In 2016, Dino Lalvani announced that Binatone intended to sell 20% of Hubble while shifting its corporate offices from the United States to Bengaluru, India.

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Pittsburg State University

Pittsburg State University (Pitt State or PSU) is a public university in Pittsburg, Kansas, United States. It enrolls approximately 7,400 students (6,000 undergraduates and 1,400 graduate students) and is a member of the Kansas Board of Regents.

History
Pittsburg State University was founded in 1903 as the Auxiliary Manual Training Normal School, originally a branch of the State Normal School of Emporia (now Emporia State University). In 1913, it became a full-fledged four-year institution as Kansas State Teachers College of Pittsburg, or Pittsburg State for short. Over the next four decades, its mission was broadened beyond teacher training. To reflect this, in 1959 its name was changed again to Kansas State College of Pittsburg. It became Pittsburg State University on April 21, 1977.

Presidents
Pittsburg State has had 11 leaders. The top leadership post was originally titled "principal" from 1903 to 1913. In 1913, the title was changed to president.
 * Russell S. Russ (1903–1911)
 * George E. Myers (1911–1913)
 * William A. Brandenburg (1913–1940)
 * O. P. Dellinger (1940–1941)
 * Rees H. Hughes (1941–1957)
 * Leonard H. Axe (1957–1965)
 * George F. Budd (1965–1977)
 * James Appleberry (1977–1983)
 * Donald W. Wilson (1983–1995)
 * John R. Darling (1995–1999)
 * Tom W. Bryant (1999–2009)
 * Steven A. Scott (2009–2022)
 * Dan Shipp (2022–present)

Campus

Located in southeast Kansas, the school is on a 223 acre campus.

Porter Hall (1927) is named for Ebenezer F. Porter, a state legislator who helped establish and fund the school.

The campus includes the $30 million Kansas Technology Center, a state-of-the-art technology program in the largest academic building in Kansas. In December 2014, the university opened the Bicknell Family Center for the Arts. The Bicknell Center provides Pittsburg State University with its first true performance facility since 1978, when deterioration forced the closure of Carney Hall. In addition to the Linda & Lee Scott Performance Hall, the facility also houses a 250-seat theater, a 2,000-square-foot art gallery, grand lobby, reception hall, and multi-use rehearsal space for large musical groups.

PSU also operates a satellite campus in the Kansas City metro area, the Kansas City Metro Center Campus, offering a variety of bachelor's and master's degrees. Two degrees are offered in Salina, Kansas on the campus of Salina Area Technical College.

Greek organizations
Recognized fraternities and sororities at this university include:

Academics
PSU is organized into the following schools and colleges:
 * College of Arts and Science
 * Kelce College of Business
 * College of Education
 * College of Technology

The Kelce College of Business is accredited by the American Assembly of Collegiate Schools of Business (AACSB). In addition, research institutes are located on campus such as the Business & Technology Institute and the Kansas Polymer Research Center, housed in the newly completed Tyler Research Center.

Athletics

The Pittsburg State athletic teams are called the Gorillas. The university is a member of the NCAA Division II ranks, primarily competing in the Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletics Association (MIAA) since the 1989–90 academic year. The Gorillas previously competed in the Central States Intercollegiate Conference (CSIC) of the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA) from 1976–77 to 1988–89; in the Great Plains Athletic Conference (GPAC) from 1972–73 to 1975–76; in the Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference (RMAC) from 1968–69 to 1971–72; in the Central Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (CIC) from 1923–24 to 1967–68; and in the Kansas Collegiate Athletic Conference (KCAC) from 1902–03 to 1922–23.

Pittsburg State competes in 12 intercollegiate varsity sports: Men's sports include baseball, basketball, cross country, football and track & field (indoor and outdoor); while women's sports include basketball, cross country, softball, track & field (indoor and outdoor) and volleyball. Club sports include men's baseball.

Football
The Pitt State football program began in 1908 under head coach Albert McLeland. Since that time, the program has produced the most wins in NCAA Division II history. It has been national champions on four occasions; 1957, 1961, 1991 and 2011. Pittsburg State defeated Wayne State University, 35–21 to claim its most recent national championship in 2011. During the 2004 season the Gorillas finished 14–1, losing 31–36 to Valdosta State University in the NCAA Division II National Football Championship. Pittsburg State has won, outright or shared, a total of 27 conference championships during the 96-year history of its intercollegiate program, including 13 conference titles in the last 19 seasons under Coach Chuck Broyles PSU reached the Division II National Championship game in 2004, 1995, and 1992. Its games with fellow MIAA Division II powerhouse Northwest Missouri State University are played at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City, Missouri, in the Fall Classic at Arrowhead. 26,695 attended the 2002 game—the most of any Division II game.

The Gorillas
PSU is the only university in the United States to feature a gorilla as a mascot. The concept of the mascot was conceived in 1920, and officially adopted on January 15, 1925. The current mascot, Gus, was designed in 1985 by L. Michael Hailey.

Apple Day
In 1907 a small delegation from the Pittsburg area lobbied the state legislature to give the newly established university an appropriation that would pay for the construction of the school's first building. But one of the delegate members, Pittsburg mayor Clarence Price, apparently broke the rules by not exiting the floor before the session began (in some versions of the story, it was the namesake of Russ Hall, R. S. Russ, who performed the gaffe). The legislators good-naturedly fined the Pittsburg delegation a barrel of apples before awarding them the appropriation. And when the men returned to Pittsburg, the students were so amused by the story that they decided university administrators and faculty who had missed work and class in order to lobby in Topeka should have to pay the same fine. In those days, students were penalized for truancy. Because members of the faculty left their classrooms in order to attend the legislative session in Topeka, the students reasoned that faculty members should be penalized for their absence.

Twelve months later, on March 6, 1908, classes were dismissed for the entire day in honor of the first Apple Day (officially titled Commemoration Day). During an afternoon program in the assembly room of the Central School building, the students once again fined the faculty a barrel of apples. Thus began the unique, annual tradition at Pittsburg State of the teachers bringing apples for their students.

Notable people

 * Fira Basuki, Indonesian novelist
 * John Brown, wide receiver for the Buffalo Bills
 * Gary Busey, film actor (attended; did not graduate)
 * Terry Calloway, former Republican member of the Kansas House of Representatives
 * Eldon Danenhauer, offensive tackle for the Denver Broncos
 * Ralph Earhart, former NFL halfback, Green Bay Packers
 * Dennis Franchione, former head football coach of Texas A&M University (and former coach of Pittsburg State)
 * Eugene Maxwell Frank, bishop of the United Methodist Church
 * Willie Fritz, current head football coach at Tulane University
 * Kendall Gammon, former NFL longsnapper, Kansas City Chiefs and current Chiefs radio analyst (currently employed by Pittsburg State)
 * Don Gutteridge, Major League Baseball player and manager (Chicago White Sox)
 * Jay W. Hood, major general, U.S. Army, Commander of 1st U.S. Army East, Ft. Meade, Maryland, former commanding general of JTF Guantánamo Bay, Cuba
 * David P. Hurford, psychologist and researcher in dyslexia and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder
 * John E. Jacobs, interim president of Emporia State in 1953; Director of Special Education for the Kansas State Department of Education, 1953–1957
 * Inez Y. Kaiser, the first African-American woman to run a public relations company with national clients
 * David Kan, South African businessman
 * Jennifer Knapp, Grammy-nominated Christian music artist; sold over 1 million albums
 * Jake LaTurner, member of the U.S. House of Representatives from Kansas's 2nd district
 * Sherm Lollar, Major League Baseball player
 * Aaron McConnell, football player
 * Ronald Moore, former NFL running back (Arizona Cardinals), 1992 Harlon Hill Trophy winner
 * Brian Moorman, NFL punter, Buffalo Bills
 * Sam Pittman, head football coach of the Arkansas Razorbacks
 * Jim Press, Chrysler, vice chairman and president
 * John Roderique, former football coach Webb City High School, most state titles in Missouri history
 * H. Lee Scott, former Wal-Mart president and CEO
 * Steven A. Scott, ninth president of Pittsburg State University
 * Michael Shonrock, former president of Emporia State University
 * Joe Skubitz, U. S. representative
 * Sally Stonecipher, first female United States Army helicopter pilot
 * James Tate, writer who won the 1992 Pulitzer Prize for poetry
 * Duane Thiessen, lieutenant general, United States Marine Corps
 * Ahasanul Islam Titu, member of parliament, Bangladesh; minister of state for commerce, government of Bangladesh
 * Lucinda Todd, civil rights activist and plaintiff, Brown vs. Board of Education of Topeka
 * Jackie Vietti, president of Butler Community College for 17 years; served as interim president of Emporia State University in 2015
 * Steve Weddle, novelist
 * Pat Woodrum, executive director of Oklahoma Centennial Botanical Garden; former executive director of the Tulsa City-County Library System
 * Darryl Wren, former NFL defensive back
 * Douglas Youvan, biophysicist

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Ariel Graziani

Ariel José Graziani Lentini (born June 7, 1971) is a former football player. He is a naturalized Ecuadorian striker who represented the Ecuador national team on 34 occasions between 1997 and 2000. After retiring in Ecuador he is only able to play amateur football, he has chosen to play for Argentinian fifth-level club Atlético Empalme since May, 2007.

Career
Graziani has been a top goalscorer for practically every team for which he has played. He made his professional debut in 1993 with Newell's Old Boys of Argentina, where he was a teammate with Diego Maradona until he transferred later that year to Sport Boys of the Peruvian First Division.

Graziani transferred to the Ecuadorian First Division to play for Aucas in 1995, and moved a year later to join Emelec. During his two years with the club, 1996 and 1997, he led the league in scoring while helping Emelec earn league titles. His standout play earned him a transfer to Morelia of the Mexican Primera División. Again he was one of the top goalscorers for his club and the league.

In 1999, Ariel was acquired by Major League Soccer for a transfer fee of slightly less than $2 million, which at the time was the highest transfer fee ever paid by the league. Graziani was allocated to New England Revolution but played in only three games for the Revolution before he was traded to the Dallas Burn for Colombian international Leonel Álvarez.

Ariel was the leading goalscorer for the Burn in 2000 with 15 goals and 2001 with 11 goals until he was traded to the San Jose Earthquakes for Salvadoran international Ronald Cerritos. In 2002 with the Earthquakes, Graziani, while the team's leading goalscorer with 15 goals, failed to connect adequately with strike partner Landon Donovan. MLS loaned out the final year of his contract. A bidding war between Emelec and Barcelona SC ensued where, in the end, Barcelona offered MLS more money.

In 2003, Graziani, was the top scorer in Ecuador with Barcelona SC. He also scored what was voted the top goal in that year's Copa Libertadores against the eventual winners Boca Juniors. In 2004, he signed with Lanús in Argentina but only managed 4 goals in 17 games and eventually left the same year to return to Barcelona SC and scored 8 goals from 18 games. In 2005, Graziani signed for LDU Quito. He played there until December, 2006, when he officially retired. Nevertheless, in May, 2007, he signed with Atlético Empalme, where he started his career. Empalme in 2007 played for Santa Fe Province in zone 9 of the Torneo del Interior C, a complex regional fifth-level tournament.

Nowadays, Graziani holds a political position in his country of birth Argentina. He is the vice-mayor of a small town called Empalme Villa Constitución where he is trying to help the poorest people in his town.

Club

 * Club Sport Emelec
 * Serie A de Ecuador: 1996
 * LDU Quito
 * Serie A de Ecuador: 2005

Nation

 * Ecuador
 * Canada Cup: 1999

Individual

 * MLS All-Star: 2000

Achievements
Graziani has played in 33 games for the Ecuador national team during his career, scoring 15 goals for his adopted country. He became top scorer at the 1999 Canada Cup, scoring three goals in three matches.

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Dates
I didn't put dates of usage into the article, because I'm not sure of them. The article Francisco Hernández de Córdoba (discoverer of Yucatán) implies it was already in common use by 1517. The map linked in the article shows it used in 1640. I have no idea of the latest date of use. -- Jmabel | Talk 03:47, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

Recent addition
I've done my best to edit the recent addition to this article, but (1) it is uncited and (2) the English was weak to the point of incoherence, so I was guessing at a lot of it (and removing some that I could not guess at. I'm guessing the contributor is a native Spanish speaker. May I suggest to this person: write your content in Spanish at es:Tierra Firme (preferably, citing your sources), then drop me a note here and I will try to translate more accurately. Thanks.

Hice el mejor que pudiese en redactar los materiales recién añadidos al artículo este, pero (1) no daban fuentes y (2) el inglés estaba débil al punto de no ser coherente; entonces, necesitaba tratar de adivinar el sentido, y remover unas partes que no entendía tampoco. Por supuesto, el contibudor es hispanohablante nativo. Sugiero que escribe este contenido en español a es:Tierra Firme (preferiblemente, citando las fuentes), y después escribeme aquí; traduzco de nuevo con más precisión. Grácias. -- Jmabel | Talk 00:19, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

which was a province of Venezuela, and Colombia?
Neither Venezuela nor Colombia existed until well after the time of the Province of Tierra Firme, so it could not possibly have been a province of either. Qemist (talk) 02:52, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:List of people from Italy

Antonio da Sangallo
Which Italian Antonio da Sangallo are we interested in? Antonio da Sangallo the Elder or Antonio da Sangallo the Younger? Or both? Also, aren't they better served as architects than as artists? --Ricky81682 03:47, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

Expanding
This list seriously needs to be expanded. I was able to add nearly 20 composers alone. That's my part. Your turn. Antonio Juan Santiago Oneto (b. Chiavari, Italy, abril de 1826 - † Puerto Deseado, junio de 1885), Argentine marine of Italian origin, who contributed to the colonization of the actual province of Chubut and founded the patagonian city of Puerto Deseado.

Thanks.

09:32, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

I feel this article should include people from the ancient Italian civilizations, currently it only has people who existed in post Roman, Etruscan, Grecian and Latin Italy. This is fairly strange as the article: List of Greeks incorporates ancient, classical figures alongside contemporary figures... Please could everyone start adding and linking Romans, Greeks, Latins, Etruscans etc. that originated or lived in the area of modern Italy to the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guyaubreydevito (talk • contribs) 15:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

This is correct. Etruscan civilization and Romans. --Davide41 (talk) 17:23, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Removing
This list seriously needs to be shortened. I was able to delete 5 athletes alone. That's my part. Your turn.

Thanks.

--Tom 21:04, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Poor Steve Nunno...
In his listing, I don't think there need to be quotes around "Renowned Gymnastics Coach". Folks, he actually was a gymnastics coach, and coaching Shannon Miller gave him some renown. The quotes inject some sarcasm into his listing, as though he shouldn't be there. Mahalo. --Coryma 23:46, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Famous "others"
Why is Savonarola called a "Book burning priest, and ruler of Florence." Wouldn't "influential priest" be a little more appropriate? Also Napoleon was born on Corsica, a French island, so he isn't Italian is he? 67.173.240.92 20:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

A french island because France bought it from Genoa. And when Napoleone was born the island still was under the rule of Genoa. And it was (and still is) inhabitated by an Italian population.

Terrible
Errors, vandalisms ... Work in progress. So much work to be done --Davide41 (talk) 18:33, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Napoleone Buonaparte ethnically Italian of Corsican origin
This is the list of Italians, not List of people of Italian origin. Should we have Silvester Stallone here? His family is of Italian origin. See Talk:Napoleon I.Brutal Deluxe (talk) 13:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

01. " Silvester " but Napoleone originates from the Italian language. Original Italian Napoleone Di Buonaparte

Napoleon himself was Corsican, and as such his mother tongue was the Italian dialect spoken in Corsica. As a teenager he was admitted in a French military school, the other pupils laughed at him because of his heavy Italian accent. His mother tongue was not Corsican because his family, formerly known as Buonaparte, were minor Italian nobility coming from Tuscan stock of Lombard origin set in La Spezia.

In short terms. He was born Italian but later on became a French Emperor. Napoleon Bonaparte is technically Italian. --Davide41 (talk) 12:51, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Other Sources:

01. [http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Napoleon_Bonaparte#Early_life_and_military_career New World Encyclopedia. " Napoleon Bonaparte".]

02. [http://photo.pds.org:5005/advanced/article?id=ar381040&st=napoleon World Book Encyclopedia. " Napoleon Bonaparte".]
 * Maybe you are not aware that original reearch is not allowed on WP. Italian ancestry is not enough to qualify for inclusion in this article. Brutal Deluxe (talk) 16:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

" Respect but not my support ". Napoleon Bonaparte is technically Italian. Absolutely --Davide41 (talk) 10:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the guy that brought this up, and I think it's infantile to make the analogy with Italian-Americans as what we have here is a very different scenario. Italy was a divided country at this time and so maybe his links to his ethnic, linguistic and ancestral homeland are not as pronounced as they might be, yet the idea that he was a Frenchman over an Italian seems farcical, ultimately he was a transient european of italian descent, which makes him more italian than anything else. As for the idea that the country you live in is the country of your nationality - that's absolute baloney - Try telling Andy Murray or Catherine Zeta Jones that they're English... 86.1.109.215 (talk) 17:54, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Davide41. Napoleon was Italian not French. Napoleon Bonaparte's real name was Napoleone di Buonaparte. The man was clearly Italian and not French. He learned to speak Italian first and then French. It is said that he was even made fun of in Paris because of his name, the darkness of his skin and his short stature. --93.147.197.38 (talk) 21:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Napoleon may also be included in the list of Italians
Reliable sources.
 * Several newspapers host columns that they call blogs. These are acceptable as sources, so long as the writers are professionals and the blog is subject to the newspaper's full editorial control.

The historical journal « Storia In Rete » (whose documentaries are used by broadcasters: RAI and La7) included him in list of the most influential figures in Italian history. Scientific Committee:

 * Professor Nico Perrone of the University of Bari. He has collaborated with Leonardo Sciascia.
 * Professor Giuseppe Parlato of the S. Pio V University of Rome.
 * Professor Aldo Alessandro Mola of the University of Milan. Gold Medal for Culture and Art of the Italian Republic.
 * Aldo Giovanni Ricci, superintendent of the Central Archives of the State and professor of history at S. Pio V University of Rome.
 * Alessandra Gigante (Historian), Fabio Andriola (Journalist and Historian), Emanuele Mastrangelo (Journalist and Historian), Luciano Garibaldi (Journalist and Historian), Vittorio G. Cardinali (Journalist and Historian), Fabio Andriola (Journalist and Historian).

Echo Library, 2006. p. 18. He says: "Napoleon, far more Italian than French, Italian by race, instinct, imagination, and souvenirs, considers in his plan the future of Italy, and, on casting up the final account of his reign, we find that the net profit is for Italy and the net loss is to France."
 * Taine, Hippolyte. The Modern Regime (Volume II).

 * Scott, Walter. Life of Napoleon Buonaparte: with a preliminary view of the French Revolution (Volume VI). Cadell, 1835. p. 240.

"He also inquired how the Christian name of his son, Napoleone, could be translated into French. At that time Napoleon's father was the representative of Corsica at the Court of France. He sent a reply from Versailles, saying the Republic of Genoa had, two hundred years previously, given to one of his ancestors, Jerome, the title of Egregiitm Hieronium de Buonaparte, and that the article de had been omitted because it was of very little use in Italy; that Napoleone was Italian; and that his family name was "Buonaparte," or "Bonaparte." The Bonapartes are of Tuscan origin. In the middle ages they were eminent as senators of the Republics of Florence, San Miniato, Bologna, Sarzana, and Treviso; and as prelates attached to the Court of Rome. They were allied to the Medici, the Orsini, and Lomellini families."
 * Horne, Richard H. The history of Napoleon Bonaparte. G. Routledge and Sons, 1878. Page 1.

 * John Holland Rose writes [ Book: Napoleon, a life ] " Napoleon, far more Italian than French. " (Synthesis)

 * World military leaders: a biographical dictionary. Mark Grossman. Napoleon Bonaparte (Napoléon I, Napoleon Buonoparte) (1769–1821) French emperor Ironically, Napoleon Bonaparte was not of French parentage: He was born on 15 August 1769 in Ajaccio, Corsica, an island off the southern French coast, into a family whose real name was Buonaparte. [...]

"Napoleon was of Italian parentage. He ever remained faithful to the souvenirs of his origin. The Italian language was his mother tongue, and the interests of Italy were peculiarly near to his heart. [...] [...] It was one of the fondest dreams of Napoleon's noble ambition to restore Italian independence. He hoped, by his influence, to have been able to unite all these feeble governments in one great kingdom, containing twenty millions of inhabitants." [...]
 * Henry Mills Alden - Napoleon.

 * Napoleon was much more an Italian than a Frenchman. His father and mother were Italians, his ancestors were Italian (is essential to remember, had not a drop of French blood in his veins) and Italian was his mother-tongue. His family and Christian names were Italian. Always fluent in his native Italian, Napoleon learned French as a second language, speaking it with a heavy accent and unable to write it grammatically. The spelling of the name was changed from the Corsican-Italian form Buonaparte only in 1796. His manners, gestures, and mode of speech were Italian; he was Italian in his fierce explosions of rage; Italian in his declamatory eloquence [...] This was Napoleon Bonaparte, a man from the island of Corsica, of Italian parentage, but a French citizen, for the island had been forcibly The annexed to France shortly before his birth. He always spoke French with a marked Italian accent.

 * "Napoleon, future emperor of France, spoke Italian and the local Corsu (an Italian dialect). Napoleon was French with not a drop of French blood in his veins. He never spoke French correctly."

 * These are historically certain facts. Is correct put Napoleon on both lists. (talk) 10:00, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

 * This is the list of Italians, not List of people of Italian origin. If you want to create the article and add Napoleon, I won't object, but he doesn't belong here. Brutal Deluxe (talk) 10:47, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

 * At least 20 Historians. But for please... " I fight with the children. " --Davide41 (talk) 11:57, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Gallery
Davide41, if you read WP:IG, which is a policy, you will see that this article does not need a gallery. For one, all the pictures you added are already in the relevant articles. Just because another article does not follow the guidelines doesn't give you carte blanche to ruin other articles. Do you want to improve articles or make them substandard? Another reason for not having a gallery is the large size of the article, see Article size. Do you have a fast connection? Sometimes I don't, and I prefer lists to be lists, not beautified articles. Egg carton (talk) 11:56, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

See:
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Poles
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russians
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israelis
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swiss_people
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Puerto_Ricans
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spaniards
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Venezuelans
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainians
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Portuguese
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lithuanians
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chileans
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadians
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Afghans

" Cancellation for no reason " --Davide41 (talk) 18:05, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

" Inappropriate link " \ King of Rome

 * Romulus
 * Numa Pompilius
 * Tullus Hostilius
 * Ancus Martius
 * Tarquinius Priscus
 * Servius Tullius
 * Tarquinius Superbus

This is simply a list of the seven king of Rome (244 years under seven kings). I see nothing inappropriate about this. " Simply a list "

" A civilization of ancient Italy in the area corresponding roughly to Lazio " --Davide41 (talk) 09:11, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This list is about people, not their official role. So, no King of Rome, President of Italy, Mayor of Venice, Bishop of Verona, etc. type of article should be linked. Mayor of Yurp (talk) 09:41, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The seven king of Rome are political figures. Fall into this category. --Davide41 (talk) 09:52, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't dispute that they do, but King of Rome is about the role, not strictly about the people that filled that role.Mayor of Yurp (talk) 10:00, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

See:

 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_people#Monarchs

 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russians#Presidents_and_contemporary_politicians
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Poles#Politics
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_people#Politicians

Etc. --Davide41 (talk) 10:07, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, all those links illustrate MY point, not yours! Mayor of Yurp (talk) 10:14, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * To sum it up: it is appropriate to link Prime Ministers of France, but not to link Prime Minister of France. Mayor of Yurp (talk) 10:53, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

( ! ) I'm tired of discussing trivial things. I disagree with you. "Do as you please..." --Davide41 (talk) 11:35, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Factual accuracy problems
The notability/inventions attributed to these list members have some real factual accuracy problems. Just spot checking brings up "Niccolò Zucchi - constructing the first reflecting telescope (1616)" (he experimented but RS say he never got it to work)...... "Matteo Campani-Alimenis - Inventor of the Magic lantern" (no such credit given at Magic lantern)..... "Giovanni Battista Grassi - discovered that mosquitoes were responsible for transmitting malaria between humans" (not mentioned at Malaria). Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:28, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Red link names removed
Wikipedia lists are for existing articles (per WP:LIST and WP:WRITEITFIRST) so I have removed these red linked names. This looks like a good set of names for article creation (if the claims are true). Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:21, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

The question of Napoleon
Hi everyone,

I have been reading ancient discussions and several statements regarding Napoleon nationality/ethnicity/citizenship/origin and whatever. I seriously don't see why it's so hard to understand some provable facts.

Napoleon was born in Corsica, an island off of Italy. At the time subject to the King of France but cultural, linguistic and ethnically belonging to the Italian nation. Furthermore, Italy as we know it geographically, does not comprehend only the Italian peninsula, but also its adjacent islands, therefore Sicily, Sardinia and Corsica. (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Italy)

Italian is not just a citizenship but also an ethnicity, which predates the founding of the modern country of Italy. Certainly an ethnic group (such as the Kurds in present-day) can exist without having a country to call its own.

Napoleone Buonaparte, his original name, was ethnically Italian even though he had French citizenship. The same can be said to Catarina de' Medici, Giovanni Battista Lulli and many others young Italians emigrated to France.

If the latters are included (rightly so) as Italians, I don't see why Napoleon is not.

Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by In Ratio Veritas (talk • contribs) 18:36, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Actually I didn't know there was a pretty involved edit war over this at one time. My edit was based on WP:LIST, list's inclusion criteria, the title of this list states it all, this is a "List of Italians", the place that exists from the Alps to Sicily, from 1861 to the present. Napoléon Bonaparte was born before Italy existed, a Frenchman born in Corsica one year after Corsica became a part of France. A raw search of reference brings up very little for "Napoléon was Italian" and a great deal for "Napoléon was French". I noticed "List of Italians" is missing a lead paragraph adding further definition. Napoléon could be included under a different definition (but that would be a stretch for this list title). Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 21:54, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

 * As I have noticed before, this list includes not only Italians citizens, but also ethnic Italians, ethnic Italics and people born within the Italian geographical region. As so, the inclusion of Napoleon can be legitimately claimed. The fact the Napoleon was born one year after Corsica become subject to the King of France doesn't change anything. I can name many illustrious Italians born citizens of France: Giuseppe Verdi, Giuseppe Garibaldi, Giuseppe Mazzini... the list is wide. Along its history, France has always been a multi-ethnic country comprising many cultural minorities as the Bretons, Occitans, Basques, Catalans, German, Italians, etc. And Corsica, in Napoleon's time, was surely a Italian land, influenced by Italian language, traditions, culture and most important of all, feelings. Pasquale Paoli, until today regarded as the "Father of Corsica" and venerated by the Buonaparte family, once wrote against the French invaders in his letters in 1768: "We are Corsicans by birth and feelings, but first of all we feel Italian by language, roots, customs, traditions and all the Italians are all brothers for History and for God.... As Corsicans we do not want to be slaves nor "rebels" and as Italians we have the right to be treated like all the other Italian brothers.... Either we'll be free or we'll be nothing.... Either we'll win or we'll die (against the French) with our weapons in our hands.... The war against France is just and holy as the name of God is holy and just, and here on our mountains will appear for all Italy the sun of liberty." This proves to us the Corsica was part of the Italian Nation in the same way as Tuscany, Liguria, Sicily, etc. In Ratio Veritas (talk) 14:44, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

 * If the list "includes not only Italians citizens, but also ethnic Italians, ethnic Italics and people born within the Italian geographical region" then it may point to a problem with the list i.e. the included items may (be) contrary to the list title and should be deleted or the list title and/or definition needs to be changed. The difference with Corsica is it was never part of Italy and "Napoléon was Italian" has failed (two ?) consensus discussion already. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 23:00, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

 * "the included items may contrary to the list title and should be deleted or the list title and/or definition needs to be changed." Done. "The difference with Corsica is it was never part of Italy" There's no difference at all. Did you forget Giuseppe Garibaldi? The very founding father of Italian unification was a native of Nice. Nice has never been part of Italy (politically speaking). Niccolò Tommaseo, one of the very first Italian irrendentist was born in Dalmatia, in the city of Sebenico, modern-day Sibenik, Croatia. Dalmatia has never been part of Italy either. Pasquale Paoli, Corsican like Napoleon as well, already mentioned above, a mythical hero of the island, was a precursor of the Italian irredentism. Ottavio Missoni, founder of the famous fashion label Missoni, born in Ragusa, Kingdom of Yugoslavia, present-day Dubrovnik, Croatia. Francesco Borromini, baroque architect, born in Bissone, Ticino, modern-day Switzerland. Ticino has never been part of Italy as well. ""Napoléon was Italian" has failed (two ?) consensus discussion already." We haven't reached a consensus because most people are not aware of the concept of Italian. That's the reason and it leads to misleading conclusions and misconceptions. We won't get anywhere if one doesn't acknowledge the fact that the concept of Italian predates in many centuries the unification of modern Italy. Regards. In Ratio Veritas (talk) 15:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Reverted this because "Italians are citizens of the Italian Republic" so this list would not go beyond that. "ethnic Italians, ancient Italics and people born within the Italian geographical region that share ingenious culture" would only be included if the list name was changed (I wouldn't do that) or if "List of ethnic Italians, ancient Italics and people born within the Italian geographical region that share ingenious culture" was created (feel free to do that). Claiming someone was Italian because (in your view) there is some ethnic or geographic connection or a perceived similarity with other people's attributions is original thought. You actually have to show a majority of reliable sources that state "Napoléon was Italian". consensus discussion I am talking about are that that and that. If you think all of this is wrong, start another one at Talk:Napoleon, people there should have a handle on this. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 23:39, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry but it's pretty obvious we're going around circles. I won't extend this discussion anymore because it seems clear to me that many users including yourself are not aware of the concept of Italian, neither the concept of ethnicity. Furthermore, what's the point in arguing with 4 years old discussion? Besides, it's not up to me to decide who should or should not be included as Italians. I'm here just to help Wikipedia, to make it a little more accurate. And if my help is not welcomed, I can leave without problem. Contrary to what you believe (or want to believe?), as I stated before, the concept of Italian go beyond citizenship, it comprises also ethnicity. And again, contrary to what you think, this is not my view. It's a fact very much acknowledged by most historians. If you doubt that, you should delete 80% of the list because 80% concerns ethnic Italians and ancient Italics. Regards In Ratio Veritas (talk) 13:16, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Actually deleting a large part of this list has been discussed before because the content does not seem to meet the basic definition - its title. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:28, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Red links
Per this edit, Please write the article first. List are list of articles and members have a notability threshold ---> the member has a Wikipedia article. I fixed another similar edit by creating an article. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 23:20, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

 * I'll try to create it in a few days. Regards In Ratio Veritas (talk) 19:49, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I put the link back, these seem to fall under good suggestions per WP:Red link. Look forward to the article. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 22:47, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Done.In Ratio Veritas (talk) 21:20, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Editing
Dear Fountains of Bryn Mawr,

I have noticed you have the habit of reverting most of people additions. It would be very kind if you discuss your reasons to do so here in the talk section. Because as long as I know, your thoughts are so important than mine. Thank you. In Ratio Veritas (talk) 13:22, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Dear In Ratio Veritas, please see the few thousand words written furher up this talk page? Also please comment on content, not on the contributor on this talk page. Thank you - Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:21, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Dear Fountains of Bryn Mawr, it sounds to me you're very eager to diminish the importance of Vincenzo Tiberio's achievement or, what it's worse, doesn't know what antibiotic means. You reverted my original texting claiming that Tiberio did not discover the antibiotic power before Flemming, but on the other hand, stated that he discovered "the antibacterial power of some extracts of mold" (???). Are you aware that "An antibacterial is an agent that either kills bacteria or inhibits their growth and the term is often used as a synonym for antibiotic."? (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibacterial) If this is not enough, the scientific paper that I put as the main reference pretty states it all: "Now the Italian National Research Council (CNR) has decided to pay tribute to the merits of this scientist, promoting Tiberio's memory in the documentary "Vincenzo Tiberio, the man who discovered antibiotics" (see: http://ijphjournal.it/article/view/5688/5424) Is it ok now? I'll revert your inaccurate move once more again and I sincerely hope this case is closed. Best regards In Ratio Veritas (talk) 14:01, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Per "His discovery of the power of antibiotics", History of penicillin and Antibacterial list many people who noticed an antibacterial effect, Tiberio should be described (if described at all) as one of many. Wikipedia articles are not for establishing "importance" and should not take a promotional point of view (see Neutral point of view and WP:NOTADVOCATE). Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 20:23, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Dear Fountains of Bryn Mawr, how about coming up with a single argument to beat the facts presented before reverting someone's statements? Since when Wikipedia articles should be counted as reliable sources? As far as I know, they can be easily edited by people like you who impose an authoritarian attitude. Furthermore, I have never wrote that he was the first to discover the penicilin, as you stated above, but it's pretty much acknowledged by the scientific paper published in 2011, (Again: http://ijphjournal.it/article/view/5688/5424) that he noticed the very same phenomenon as the scot did, coming up with the discovery or rediscovery, more than 30 years before him. All the references you collected in Tiberio's voice reflect this point of view. see: http://www.almanacco.rm.cnr.it/reader/cw_usr_view_recensione?id_articolo=1704&giornale=1679, another one: http://festival2011.festivalscienza.it/site/home/programma-2011/eventi-per-tipo/conferenze/vincenzo-tiberio-vero-scopritore-degli-antibiotici.html. With all due respect, you're not being honest with your efforts. Regards In Ratio Veritas (talk) 14:09, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * This has been replied to at User talk:In Ratio Veritas since it concerns editorial behavior. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:46, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

New categories
I was thinking of adding some more categories into this list. How about "Lawyers"? Italy has a vast and long tradition in this field. Home of the Roman law, cradle of the civil law in the midle ages. How about "Stylists" or "Fashion designers"? "Industrial Designers"? There are plenty of prestigious Italians in both areas. Another good choice would be "Entrepreneurs". Regards. In Ratio Veritas (talk) 14:03, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

 * I was also thinking of adding up a "Chefs and gastronomists" topic. Does anyone rebel against it? Here I go. Regards. In Ratio Veritas (talk) 18:47, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Images
I think it is better if this article contains some images of "Top ones", such as Fibonacci, Pacioli, Vinci, Giotto, Buffon, Rossi etc. -- 115ash →(☏) 16:19, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I vote for deleting article altogether
Who decides how gets to be on the list? Is there an authoritative list? If not, delete the article.

If I get the energy I am going to recommend deletion, plain and simple. Rococo1700 (talk) 04:25, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * There are lists of other nations as well, why this should be deleted?-- MarcusVetus ✠ 13:27, 3 March 2016 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarcusVetus (talk • contribs)

 * The question needs clarification. This list has two requirements: member has to be Italian, member has to have a Wikipedia article. That is what decides who gets to be on the list.

 * Is the question/problem that this is an incomplete list? Editors are only adding the people they know about and missing everyone else? The list would be way to large if every Wikipedia listed Italian was added? Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 15:55, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

 * This article should definitely not be deleted... There are lists of people from other nations as well, as Marcus said. And as Fountains said, those are the criteria that allows for someone to be on the list. This is a collaborative website, if you think someone belongs on the list that meets this criteria, add it! This doesn't mean the entire article should be deleted by any means. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 16:03, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

This list of a nationality is a monstrousity that cannot be killed
I wanted a title to raise the hackles on the alopecic. I do not want to look through the many attempts in the past to kill these monsters. The fact that there are other nonsense lists does not mean there should be one here. Nonsense is nonsense whether it be English, French, American or whatever. This article should be definitely be deleted. Also Vaselineeeeee please state in bulleted form who does and who does not belong, I believe about half the people on this list do not meet criteria, can I delete them? Why not call this the List of Italian people who have a Wikipedia article? Rococo1700 (talk) 17:28, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Rococo, if an Italian is notable enough to have a Wikipedia article, this means they can be on the list of they are Italian. Does that mean all people with Wikipedia articles are notable? Not necessarily, however if they are not speedily deleted it usually means they are notable enough to stay. On other pages about for example "list of people from x city" the guidelines are that the people in the list should have a Wikipedia page, as well as being born in the said city or country or have a significant tie to the location. If you feel some people in the list shouldn't be, remove them and other editors can look at the changes made to see if they agree... Unless you want to remove a large quantity, maybe bring up the names on the talk page. Virtually all nationalities have a list of people page and this shouldn't be any different. This means it is a continuing topic across all nationalities on Wikipedia. Just because you think some people shouldn't be on the list doesn't mean the whole article should be deleted. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 18:33, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

My concern is that the rationale for the existence of this page, "is that the way things are, is the way things are." I object to any list that is too broad. I object to articles that are too long, or meander into infinity. Can you tell me when this article is complete or nearly complete in covering all important angles of the topic, or are we going to keep on adding thousands of Italians. I have created entries for some 3-4 thousand Italian painters, don't they all belong in your list? What about every single Italian football player? There are likely a few thousand of those.

I prefer to use categories for this purpose. There is a category: Category:Italian people that already fulfills this purpose. Articles should mainly be about subjects with meat. Lists like this are not full of meat, they are mere Velcro, for whatever you want to toss at it. The category of Italian people is far more dimensional, it divides people into time, place, and manner in a much more efficient way. A person can be in many categories, in your list, they are not. There use to be a category of Italian painters, but now it is subdivided into time periods, although one could also search for Italian painters of different styles or different locals. It may be that if the category of 19th-century Italian painters becomes too long, we will break it up into painters active in first half of 19th century, and those in second half. Are you ready to do that with your list when it become hundreds of pages long, and difficult to download, and if so, how will you parse?

This is a dustbin for name-dropping, we should drop it into the dustbin of history. Someone please drive a stake into the heart of this monster. Rococo1700 (talk) 02:30, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

 * You do have a point. But the lists, especially ones about huge nationalities are often incomplete since there are thousands and thousands of people that can classify being included. I guess your 3-4 thousand painters can be listed as they meet the criteria, just they aren't as "important" as some of the other people. Where I am from, Toronto, Ontario, there are thousands of articles created of people from Toronto that can belong in List of people from Toronto or List of people from Ontario. The latter article is much too short for the amount of people actually from Ontario, this is why there is an "this list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it" template at the top of the page. The thing is that if you want this article to be deleted, they all must be. We cannot just have one missing out of thousands. I see what your saying about "that's how things are so they should stay" but we can't just go deleting articles like this that have a connection between other articles of similar fashion. Does this mean all the articles about lists of people of certain nationalities are complete? No. These lists about nationalities tend to be very long, as for the Italians one is very long already. This is just how it is and can't be stopped unless there is a massive discussion about this like there was about removing image galleries from infoboxes. It doesn't mean it's right and it doesn't mean it's wrong, but again, unless a large discussion takes place in favour of deletion, it will stay. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 03:20, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

I vote for deleting this list and all others like it. If you think a discussion should take place, then leave the deletion tag at the heading, and let the debate begin. You are the one standing in the way, since you took off the deletion tag. And if it fails let it restart again. Again, I am not a fan of huge articles, period.

You say: "I guess your 3-4 thousand painters can be listed as they meet the criteria, just they aren't as "important" as some of the other people." Tell me again, how do you define important, and then I will use your criteria to determine whether to include it or not. For example, I typically include as criteria for inclusion of painters in Wikipedia, the following: 1) Two independent non-biased annotated sources for their name, existence and activity. or both of the following: A) At least one non-biased annotated source for their name, existence and activity. Note I have worked almost exclusively on non-living painters. Sources have to be either published anthologies, museum or civic documents, monographs held in public libraries, published articles in journals of wide ranging subjects. That is, a cousin's web-page is not enough. B) Independent link to an entry in the Encyclopedia.

So for example, if a city includes biographical information on an artist-X, and there is a biographical sketch on artist-Y in a separate anthology, which just mentions the name of artist-X, and artist Y meets criteria above and has an entry in Wikipedia.

My other requirement is that there should be a limit to the size of the entry. I do not know what it should be, but in my view, encyclopedia articles should not take a reasonable person more than a minute to download with standard internet access. I am certain we might be able to agree on a byte size, or page size, or character size. The problem with this list is that the criteria are just "being here", where here is Wikipedia, but you only want the important Wikipedia articles without giving criteria on how to decide. Let say you were able to come up with criteria for "Italians", then my point is that you would exceed size limit.

Therefore, I believe the entire article, and all such articles in Wikipedia should be deleted, and their function be relegated to categories. I would be willing to have an article that is sort of like a disambiguation article, and subclassifies this list into a repository of lists of 19th-century Italian polo players, and Italian 14th-century mercenaries. But really, if so, then why not relegate this to categories.

Being bold means not only putting in brave comments. Vacating chatter can also be bold.Rococo1700 (talk) 19:34, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

 * I wrote "important" in questions for the reason that it is debatable on what this means. You must admit that there are some people that are more "important", and when I say this, I mean more notable, than others. Does that mean that all 4 thousand people shouldn't be included? No. But again, you need to propose a a rather large discussion about this. As I see it right now, me and the other two users who responded in your other thread said that in their opinion the article should be kept. That is just the opinion of three. This is why you may want to open a discussion. I also removed the "deletion tag" since I don't think it was the proper one to use... They usually appear as red and with other details at the top of the page. Again, this is a toss up because long lists like this are alive and not only nationalities, also cities, provinces, states, etc etc. the list goes on and on. Is there a better way like you suggest with categories etc? Maybe. But this needs larger discussion. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 20:37, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Iryna Harpy, having bumped into you in similar articles like this in the past, what do you think of the situation? Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 20:41, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I have... umpteen dozen times. In all honesty, there's no way of proscribing them without local consensus to eliminate 'notables' unless they meet particular criteria. While proscribing lists in this manner could be construed as being WP:OR, many of the 'notables' tend to be WP:PROMO bios, or of limited notability, therefore local WP:CON is the only way to manage them per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:57, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Iryna Harpy, thanks for the response. So you say it is local consensus, which was not my original thought, but you know your stuff surrounding this matter. However, Rococo wants to delete the article as a whole! I understand if it's about a few "notables" like you said, however he is talking about the whole article, and with an article of this size, I don't think the best thing would be to delete it as I've said before it is a continued topic throughout other nationalities. Even if the case Rococo seems to be the only one against this list at the moment with me and two others stating our opposition. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 21:15, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Lists of notables from any ethnic group are spin-offs from the main article when there are enough notables to create a list per WP:NLIST. The only way in which could proceed would be through WP:AfD having seriously taken WP:BEFORE into account. Frankly, s/he is going to be greeted by WP:SNOW. These lists are encyclopaedic (see Lists of people), and no one in the community would accept WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT as a rationale for deletion. Managing such lists is another proposal altogether. I would certainly !vote against using deletion as a lazy way of managing a valid article/stand alone list. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:43, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree, thanks for the insight. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 21:49, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * From that list you provided, I would specifically point Rococo to Lists of people by nationality. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 21:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Correct. The list may need to be managed but, given that Wikipedia is an ongoing project, there's nothing wrong with leaving the list as it stands until editors get around to working out how to tidy it up... if it's deemed that it really needs to be tightened up. Such issues don't need to be addressed right now. All editors strive to make articles the best and most salient they can be, but we can't address every issue the moment one editor decides that it's next on their own agenda. Wikipedia is, after all, a collaborative venture. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:03, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Having added some input I thought I would add a little more. MOS:SAL gives us guidelines on this type of list. Lists should have a selection criteria that an editor understands - this list's criteria is "everybody Italian". Lists should have a lead def that the reader would understand - this list's lead def states it includes "everybody Italian". This list's only other selection criteria right now is WP:OR: somebody sees someone is Italian and adds them to this list.

So I see the problem Rococo1700 is talking about (which I asked the editor to clarify). The idea of resorting to WP:Local consensus is actually not recommended per that policy. This problem seems to crop up other places (just saw it at Wikipedia talk:Days of the year). All in all I don't think this can (or should) be solved here. Something like an WP:RFC should probably be opened up on it for Wikipedia wide policy. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 22:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No one is claiming that the list doesn't need to be cleaned up. Deletion, however, is not an option. If you wish to start an RfC, please feel free to do so. Note, however, that this is not the only 'ethnic group' list (or, indeed, diasporic 'ethnic group') article weighed down with OR problems. My suggestion would be that nominating a single article for an RfC isn't going to resolve the larger problem, and that WP:ETHNIC would be a far better crossroads venue to host such an RfC. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:49, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

 * Actually I wasn't proposing deleting this list, more the opposite. It would be pointless to take such an action at this level. It would also be pointless (IMHO) to even take this up at WP:ETHNIC. "Too long lists" (list that, if you filled them out following a clear selection criteria, would contain tens of thousands of entries) is a systemic Wikipedia problem beyond any one type or project. It probably won't be solved until something is done at a policy level. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 02:45, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It can't/won't be done at policy level, but is a potential guideline prospect invoking policies. That, however, would have to be done dependent on the type of list: i.e., for this type of list, levels of WP:N can be proscribed according to WP:LISTPEOPLE. It would be better to have it discussed and elucidated further on the talk page of that guideline article rather than individual list level. Personally, while a lot of these lists drive me batty because of single-instance editors using them as WP:PROMO for their favourite celeb, or for self-promotion, I end up having to check that the person is reliably sourced as having ethnicity X in their background (and it's not my job to do so), there isn't really a valid reason for begrudging them a mention. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:04, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

This debate gets me dizzy. I stand by what I said: This list of a nationality is a monstrousity that cannot be killed. I don't care if we do it by RfC or by arguing elsewhere or just blanking the page. Nobody has provided a reasonable explanation of how long this article should be. Delenda est!!!Rococo1700 (talk) 05:36, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome to submit it for deletion through the proper channels. Blanking the page for WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT reasons is not an option. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:46, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

I put a deletion template on the entry. I explained the reasons why it should be deleted. Vaselineeeeeeee deleted that. But from the esoteric discussion above, it seems no one knows what to do. It is a monstrosity that can't be killed. Help me out what template do you want to put up for deletion. Delenda est!!!Rococo1700 (talk) 02:08, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * The reason Vaselineeeeeeee deleted it because you'd completely mucked up the AfD, so don't blame him for removing a malformed template from an article page. You've done it again, and you still haven't followed the instructions on how to complete an AfD, so please read through the instructions carefully and try again. I'm sorry, but I can't submit on your behalf because it's up you to provide the arguments for deletion. If I submitted on your behalf, it will show up as being as my own submission. This would be ludicrous because I'd also show up as !voting against myself because I can't support a deletion: it may need work and better sourcing, but it is entirely policy and guideline justified to keep this list. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 02:44, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

 * I couldn't have given a better reasoning for my removal of that malformed deletion tag myself! Also, I think Rococo's now figured it out... here: Articles for deletion/List of Italians. Voice your opinion :). Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 04:10, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

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 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 02:04, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

List of Italians → List of people from Italy – Per WP:NOR, WP:NPOV, and WP:COATRACK, we cannot commingle "people from Italy" and "people with some Italian ancestry"; the latter isn't an encyclopedic classification anyway. Talk page shows a lot of confusion and dispute about this, and it's caused by an impermissibly confused scope and a misleading title. This should move for WP:CONSISTENCY with almost all of the rest of our "people from X" articles and categories. The remaining "List of Labels" and "List of Label people" pages are being taken one RM at a time, since they vary between labels that are ethnic, national/regional, or both, on a case-by-case basis. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:38, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

 * Support per above and my reasoning at the move request at Talk:List of people from Sardinia. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 04:15, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per above. "List of people from Italy" is definitely a clearer title, and makes more sense.-- SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 15:21, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Basic Description
Since this list only refers to people FROM Italy, would it be okay to delete the description that states "This is a list of Italians, who are identified with the Italian nation through residential, legal, historical, or cultural means, grouped by their area of notability. If we go by this definition, then this would mean people such as Martin Scorsese, Robert De Niro, and possibly even Napoleon Bonaparte could be eligible for being placed onto this list. I used them as examples because Scorsese and De Niro are Italian citizens while Napoleon has cultural ties with Italy and has origins from Italy. Since most people on Wikipedia prefer to make a distinction between so-called Italians and those of Italian origin (even though both are probably by definition are of the same ethnicity), then I believe the definition of who can be on the list is useless and should be removed so that the title can speak for itself. --Scarslayer01 (talk) 23:59, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * If they have citizenship, they should be on this list - legal means. Cultural refers to the Culture of Italy, not culture as in ethnicity. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 00:13, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * While I would agree with you on that statement; we also need to acknowledge the fact that being from Italy and having citizenship there are two different things. I would assume people like Scorsese and De Niro would just have Italian origins and could not (in technical terms) be identified as "Italians." Their citizenship was based on blood (Scorsese) and by just being an influential actor regarding the Italian identity (De Niro). Most people would not consider these men as being from Italy, but having connections with the country (that do not seem to make them eligible as being "true Italians"). Topics like these are very controversial and interesting at the same time. However, I agree that Italian citizens should be on this list, but some of them can be just second and third generation Italian emigrants who were born and raised in foreign countries and therefore could not qualify them as being what is called "Italian." Thank you for responding and for making this page seem much more clearer for me. :D --Scarslayer01 (talk) 01:22, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is controversial and there have been many discussions about it before, but being from somewhere also has legal connotations as they would be able to vote and buy property as a citizen, etc in the country they hold citizenship. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee</b>★★★ 02:21, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

For another question, what does the description mean when it refers to one having a "historical" connection with Italy? --Scarslayer01 (talk) 01:58, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a figure influential in Italian history, not necessarily born there, or maybe someone born in Italy, having historical connections, but having moved some place else. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 02:52, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

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Al-Ittihad Club (Jeddah)

Al-Ittihad Saudi Arabian Club (نادي الاتحاد العربي السعودي), commonly known as Al-Ittihad is a Saudi professional football club based in Jeddah. It was founded in 1927. The club has spent its entire history in the top flight of football in Saudi Arabia, currently known as the Saudi Pro League. Al-Ittihad has won 50 championships from which 35 are official championships.

Al-Ittihad matches are played at Jeddah's main stadium King Abdullah Sports City, which is the second-largest stadium in Saudi Arabia, accommodating 62,345 spectators. Al Ittihad has a long-standing rivalry with Al-Hilal, which is referred to as Saudi El Clasico, and is considered the most prominent and most watched annual match(es) rottiball.

It is the oldest sports club still surviving in Saudi Arabia, as the club was founded in 1927. The most successful period in the club history was the 1990s and the 2000s, when the club achieved a large number of titles and achievements domestically, regionally, and even globally culminating in the club securing the 4th place in the 2005 FIFA Club World Championship in Japan.

Al-Ittihad is one of the most successful Asian club at domestic and continental level, as they have achieved the AFC Champions League title twice in a row (one of only three Asian teams to achieve this, and the first to do so), the Asian Cup Winners' Cup once, the GCC Champions League and the Arab Champions League title each once. Domestically, Al-Ittihad is also the second most successful club in Saudi Arabia (behind Al-Hilal), having won nine league titles, nine King's Cup titles, eight Crown Prince Cup titles, three Saudi Federation Cup titles and one Saudi Super Cup.

Creation (1927–1949)
The club was founded after a meeting of some of the notable football enthusiasts (Dean, Zahid, Shawn, and Jazza) of the city of Jeddah, on 26 December 1927. They met in the offices of the radio broadcasting company and discussed the idea of forming a football club to compete with various traveling teams and be a source of entertainment for inhabitants and an outlet for the city youth to practice organised sport. Everyone agreed that they should create the team that unites them and Ittihad Jeddah was born. The attendees were Hamza Fitaihi, Abdulrazag Ajlan, Abdullah Bin Zagor, Fahad Badkook, Abdulsamad Najeeb Alsaady, Ismail Zahran, Ali Yamani, Abdulaziz Jameel, Abdul Latif Jameel, Abdulateef Linjawi, Othman Banajah, Ahmad Abu Talib, Ali Sultan, Ahmed Almir and Saleh Salamah.

As long as we are here together, let's call it Al-Ittihad (Mazen Mohammed)

The name of club was quoted from this wisdom, Mazen Mohammed words which created the current club name. Club owners agrees with him to put the club name Al-Ittihad (United or Union, jointly) in Arabic.

Ismail Zahran team player who was working as in Radio Office in Jeddah to the possibility of electing the head of the works Mr. Sultan to be a President of the club, However, Ali Sultan became the first official president of the club. Al-Ittihad did not find at first a strong support, there wasn't an official clubs (communities) such as Al Riyadhi, because the presence of powerful culture in the city of Jeddah only. In their first meeting with Al-Riyadhi, Al-Ittihad make it victory with 3–0 won. The club has achieved a historic first tournament, which was called The Cup of Nishan Nazer, counted as an official tournament at the time, The cup have formed a popularity of Al-Ittihad, Because of a challenge between them in the final. Depending on the narrator, the winner can burn the Embassy wood's. The Championship attended by several of the clubs, communities, fought Al-Ittihad where several games to achieve access to the final. with Al-Mukhtalat. The weather was dust, did not complete the first half, the match was stopped about 10 minutes. the referee stopped the game to rest for 8 minutes, the weather was changed for the better with the second half, Al-Mukhtalat squad had led to fail, it was a low attacking level. The most prominent player in the game is the club's defender Safwan which was sacrificed for his team. the club won the championship by 3–0 against Al-Mukhtalat. The most important characteristic of this tournament is the first sporting event held in the reign of the founder King Abdul-Aziz Al-Saud The periods of 1940 to 1950 remained difficult, as the Football Association was not established until 1956.

The Start of The Official Tournaments, The First League Title, The Treble (1950–1999)
In late 1950s, it is considered as the first club to achieve both the Crown Prince Cup and the King's Cup for two consecutive times. On 2 May 1960, Al-Ittihad faced their traditional rivals Al-Ahli in the King's Cup, which ended with a big 7–0 victory, which is the largest victory in the derby. The tournament ended and the club became champions for the third time in a row over Al-Wehda, which completed the 1958, 1959, and 1960 series. The club went through its worst period since its founding, after winning the King's Cup in 1967, with the exception of achieving the Saudi Association Cup in 1974, after defeating Al-Hilal on penalties. In the following decade, the Saudi Pro League and the First Division were merged due to the many matches of the national team in 1982, which Al-Ittihad won its first league title in its history, which is the first and only club to achieve it. After an absence for 21 years, the club won the King's Cup after defeating Al Ettifaq in 1988.

In mid 1990s, Which is considered as the beginning of the golden age of the club, where a numerous of titles were achieved. In 1996–97, the club delivered a cup treble, winning the Premier League, Crown Prince Cup, and Federation Cup. After two seasons, the club won the league title for the third time in its history after eliminating rivals Al-Hilal in the final 2–0. The first continental championship was also achieved after winning 3–2 over Jeonnam Dragons with a golden goal, scored by Ahmed Bahja. GCC Champions League was also achieved, as the season ended with winning four trophies. In 1999, The club was a runner-up in the Asian Super Cup, after losing 2–3 on aggregate to Júbilo Iwata.

New Century, A Miracle, Two Champions League Titles (2000–2010)
With the beginning of the new century during the period of president Ahmed Masoud, which is considered one of the most successful periods, winning 8 titles within 3 years. The 1999–2000 league season was achieved at the beginning of the century, after a 3–1 win over Al-Ahli in the final, also, Hamza Idris scored an unprecedented 33 goals, a record in that period, which made him the league's top scorer, and the most scored in a single season. In the following season - the club winning the League for fifth time, and Crown Prince Cup. In the 2001–02 season, on May 1, 2002, Al-Ittihad lost the league final to Al-Hilal, a cross from a corner kick went to Al Hasan Al-Yami, who hit it and the ball entered the goal clearly before Al Hilal's Mohammed Al-Nazhan took it out with his hand. A goal was not awarded by the referee, even as a penalty kick, which in turn ended with a loss 1–2, where the referee was suspended six months after the final - and later apologized, declaring, "I am innocent of your defeat, and God bears witness to that." The match created a great controversy at all levels, as it faced a lot of criticism, which was considered by many and critics as a "robbery".

When Ahmed Masoud left the club, Mansour Al-Balawi became president, which is considered by many including the fans as the most prominent and successful period in the club's history. In the 2002–03 season, many players have been brought in, such as Tukar, Saud Kariri, Muhammad Al-Khilaiwi, and Tcheco; who is considered as one of the greatest deals in the club's history, while both the League and the Crown Prince Cup were achieved. Despite leading the league and ending it without a loss, Al-Ittihad lost the league final to Al-Shabab in the championship-playoff finals. In the 2004 AFC Champions League, Al-Ittihad finished the group in first place with only one loss. In quarter-finals, it was successfully passed with a 1–1 draw in Dalian, followed by a home 1–0 victory scored by Tukar, against Chinese Dalian Shide, of which led them to reach the semi-finals. Both matches ended in the last minutes, as Hamad Al-Montashari finished the first leg's 2–1, and Osama Al-Muwallad scored the deadly equalizer in the second leg, with a 4–3 aggregate over Jeonbuk Hyundai Motors, as the club qualified for the final for the first time. The final was out of the ordinary; Al-Ittihad were thrashed at home 1–3 by Korean side Seongnam in the first leg—leading to the sacking of Croatian coach Tomislav Ivić, as assistant coach Dragan Talajić was given the opportunity. Who, in turn, started the return match in Seongnam, Redha Tukar opened the scoring, rising to a ball from a corner kick to score the first goal, Idris scored the second late minute goal in the first half, Mohammed Noor scored the two decisive goals in the second half, before Abushgeer scored the fifth and the last goal. Overcoming the 1–3 loss with a miraculous 5–0 victory, to achieve the first title, Dragan Talajić achievement was unforgettable and almost impossible, this second leg match became one of the most surprising and unforgettable comebacks in AFC Champions League history, which was called "the miracle". Recalling the tournament, Talajić said, "I was initially an assistant to the compatriots Tomislav Ivic, and I learned a lot from him, and I considered the opportunity to work with a great team as a wonderful thing, which is why I agreed to work with him, I was with the team eight months after we arrived at the beginning of the season, and I knew all about the players." and continued, "I was young at the time, and maybe I was crazy by playing with five strikers, I told everyone before the match that we would win, I always knew we would win, but I didn't know if the difference would be enough."

Al-Ittihad achieved its first Arab championship, after defeating Tunisian Club Sportif Sfaxien in the final. On 5 November 2005, Al-Ittihad won the Champions League for the second time in a row, after a 5–3 victory over Al-Ain. Mohammed Kallon, which loaned from AS Monaco, became the top scorer of the tournament with six goals; of which two were in the final—which helped to achieve the second title. Mohammed Noor, was awarded the best player in the tournament. The club remaining as the only to win back-to-back AFC Champions League titles in its current edition. The club qualified for the FIFA Club World Cup for the first time, in the edition that was held in Japan, after achieving the Champions League title—as it became the second Saudi team to qualify for the tournament. On December 11, 2005, Al-Ittihad defeated African champions Al-Ahly after Mohamed Noor's only goal, to qualify for the semi-finals. Al-Ittihad faced the CONMEBOL champion São Paulo, and it was ended by a 2–3 loss. Al-Ittihad played the match to determine the third place against the Costa Rican club Deportivo Saprissa and lost with a 2–3, were two goals scored by Mohamed Kallon and Joseph-Désiré Job—to end the Club World Cup in the 4th place. Former FIFA President Sepp Blatter expressed his admiration, saying, "In 25 years, I have not seen an Asian team this great." Ittihad's success is not limited only to football, but also in basketball, water polo, table tennis, volleyball, and swimming, amongst others. In total, Ittihad has won 8,649 trophies. However, football remains the primary sport.

Jeddah Derby
The Jeddah derby between Al-Ittihad and Al-Ahli is known to be one of the most competitive games in the Saudi League. From the start of national competitions both clubs were seen as representatives of two rivals from the same city: Jeddah. This rivalry continued annually for more than 70 years, until Al-Ahli were relegated to the first division in 2022. The derby was back on October sixth 2023 with 1-0 Al-Ittihad loss.

Saudi Clasico
Saudi El Clasico, or simply the Clasico, is a long-running competitive match in Saudi football, between Al-Ittihad and Al-Hilal. The competition represents the largest and most important two clubs in the city of Jeddah and the capital, Riyadh, the largest and most culturally prominent cities in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The two clubs are considered the most successful at domestic and continental level. Al-Ittihad is the oldest sports club still surviving in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and is seen as the People's Club. While Al-Hilal represents the culture of the Capital Club, it is called by the masses the Leader. The two teams meet twice a year in the league, as they may also meet in the King's Cup or the Saudi Super Cup or the AFC Champions League. It is considered as the most prominent and most watched match in Saudi football.

The first meeting between the two teams was held on July 27, 1962, a friendly match, in the capital, Riyadh, and ended with a 2–0 victory for Al-Ittihad. The first official meeting between the two teams was on January 10, 1964, the King's Cup Final, which in turn also ended with a 3–0 victory for Al-Ittihad.

Al-Hilal has the largest number of wins in the official meetings that brought the two teams together. The two teams faced each other in 148 official meetings, Al-Hilal won 63, while Al-Ittihad won 50, and the tie occurred in 35 meetings. Together with Al-Nassr, they are the only 3 teams that have not been relegated to the Second Division since its founding.

Present-day
Al-Ittihad is based in Sahafa street, Mushrefa district, in southeastern Jeddah, where they have a large sports complex. Senior teams play official games at the King Abdullah Sports City, north of the city, while youth teams play at the club's headquarters.

Al-Ittihad qualified for the 2023 FIFA Club World Cup after winning the 2022-23 Saudi Pro League, but were eliminated in the second round by Al Ahly.

Fanbase
Al-Ittihad is the highest-attended club in Saudi Arabia. In the 2014-15 Saudi League, Al-Ittihad's attendance during 12 home games averaged 42,371 per match. In 2016, American website The Sportster ranked Al-Ittihad fans the 12th most influential football fans in the world. Al-Ittihad has built a strong fan-base across Saudi Arabia, amongst the Arab League and in Asia. Since its opening on 1 May 2014, Al-Ittihad shares the King Abdullah Sports City Stadium with local rival Al-Ahli, while their previous home the Prince Abdullah Al Faisal Stadium faced construction until it was renovated in 2022.

Official sponsor
In a press conference on 9 January 2006, president of the club Mansour Albalawi announced that Sela Sport Co (which is the sponsor of Saudi National Team) will pay 350 million riyals to sponsor Al-Ittihad for 5 seasons. Al-Ittihad was later on sponsored by the Saudi Telecom Company, however the team has not renewed STC's contract.

Honours
Al-Ittihad is one of the most of successful clubs in Saudi Arabia, it has 35 official honours, 30 of which are domestic. In addition to their continental successes, the club is one of the only three Asian clubs to have won the AFC Champions League twice in a row.

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 * 12
 * 🇫🇷 Metsu
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 * 21
 * 🇧🇪 Dimitri
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 * 14
 * 🇦🇷 Calderón
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 * 🇨🇱 José Luis Sierra
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 * 13
 * 🇨🇱 José Luis Sierra, 🇳🇱Henk ten Cate,  🇧🇷 Fábio Carille
 * 2020-21
 * SPL
 * 3
 * 30
 * 15
 * 11
 * 4
 * 45
 * 29
 * +16
 * 56
 * 🇧🇷 Romarinho
 * 16
 * 🇧🇷 Fábio Carille
 * 2021-22
 * SPL
 * 2
 * 30
 * 20
 * 5
 * 5
 * 62
 * 29
 * +33
 * 65
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 * 20
 * 🇧🇷 Fábio Carille, 🇷🇴Cosmin Contra
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 * 30
 * 20
 * 5
 * 5
 * 62
 * 29
 * +33
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 * 20
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 * 20
 * 🇧🇷 Fábio Carille, 🇷🇴Cosmin Contra
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Performance in AFC competitions

 * AFC Champions League: 13 appearances

AFC club rankings
Rankings are calculated by the AFC.

Last update: December 1, 2017 Source: Global Football Ranks

Notable players
Players with senior international caps:

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MBTA template
I realized the flaws when I made the template, and still ended up using it - sorry about that. What do you think of the approach for the NYC subway, for example DeKalb Avenue (BMT station) and Grand Central-42nd Street, simplified of course for the boring Boston system? --SPUI (talk) 11:30, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Hey Jimby. I wrote this article on es-wiki. I want to thank you for having translated it! Didn´t know the death cause of their 2 brothers, but now seeing your translation I do, so I´ll translate it. Thanks again. Good Bye. Ale flashero (talk) 19:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

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Elisha M. Pease

Elisha Marshall Pease (January 3, 1812 – August 26, 1883) was a Texas politician. He served as the fifth and 13th governor of Texas.

Texas Republic
A native of Enfield, Connecticut, Pease moved to Mexican Texas in 1835. He soon became active in the Texas independence movement and after the Texas Revolution began, Pease became the secretary of the provisional government. He served as the assistant secretary at the Convention of 1836 but was not an elected delegate to the Convention. After independence had been won, Pease was named the comptroller of public accounts in the government of the new but temporary Republic of Texas.

Texas State
Following the annexation of Texas to the United States, Pease was elected to the Texas House of Representatives in 1845 and reelected in 1847. In 1849, he ran for the Texas Senate from District 11 (Brazoria and Galveston counties) but lost to John B. Jones who was sworn in on November 5, 1849. Pease contested the election, was declared the winner, and was sworn in four days later on November 9, 1849.

Pease first ran for governor in 1851 but withdrew from the race two weeks before the election. He was elected in each of the next two elections, 1853 and 1855. As governor, he paid off the state debt and established the financial foundation that the state would later use to finance its schools and colleges.

In 1856, surveyor Jacob de Córdova of the Galveston, Houston, and Henderson Railroad Company named a newly discovered river in West Texas the "Pease River" after the governor.

Civil War and aftermath
During the American Civil War, Pease sided with the Union. He nonetheless enslaved several people; census records show ten enslaved people living and laboring at Pease's Austin plantation in 1860. After the war, he became a leader in the state Republican Party and was appointed as the civilian governor of Texas in 1867 by General Philip H. Sheridan, who was the military head of the Reconstruction government. Pease's policies as governor alienated both ex-Unionists and ex-Confederates and he resigned in 1869.

Elisha and his wife donated land to the City of Austin that would eventually become Pease Park.

Pease died of apoplexy in Lampasas, Texas. He was buried in Oakwood Cemetery in Austin, Texas.

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