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User talk:Premeditated Chaos/Archive 2

There is nothing here...it's so lonely, feel free to drop a line =P

You forgot to link to the archive, eh?!
Silly PMC, just what were you thinking aboot, eh!? :P :: DarkLordSeth 02:41, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Oh, remind me some time to finish the Megatokyo article? I've been WAAAY too busy with MMORPGs again lately to wrap it up properly, which would also explain why I'm still awake at this time... Also, I got involved in the cleaning up of 4chan, go take a look in that article and... well... help me clean it up please? There's already something going on, request for cleanup and stirring up a general riot in that article's talk page... :) *yawn* Good night! :: DarkLordSeth 04:54, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I just noticed... :o I was browsing the 4chan talk page when I saw my own signature with a blue link. I wondered for a second why it was blue and out of curiousity, clicked to see what was hidden behind it. Cheeky! Anyways, you managed to vandalize a blank userpage, I'm impressed! :D :: DarkLordSeth 05:09, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * You're evil! You vandalized my talk page too! How could you? Have you no shame? :( Oh, the humanity! *sob* :: DarkLordSeth 05:18, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, about my user page... It's just that I don't really have a clue what to put there, hence why I pretty mucht left it empty... Any suggestions as to what to write down there? :) :: DarkLordSeth 05:21, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I tried once... Didn't save it because I didn't get past two or three lines. I'm really off now, I'm exhausted! Leave me a message or two, 'kay? :) :: DarkLordSeth 05:29, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Okay, wrapped up things regarding the Megatokyo article, how'd you like it? :) :: DarkLordSeth 14:04, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Maybe we could expand the Megatokyo characters section a bit? Would a simpel pic from the comic per character be a good idea, along with some basic non-spoiler description? Also, we still need to unlink Miho Tohya and Ping-chan and put 'em up for VfD. Still no idea what to write for a User page, though! :: DarkLordSeth 19:53, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * There aren't colour pics available of all the main characters though. At least not representative and high-quality colour pics. On a different note, after scouring fredart for a while, I've come to the conclusion that looking at a few dozen pics of a guy imagining himself to be a girl is... Damaging... My brain... Medic! :( :: DarkLordSeth 20:23, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Take a looksie at Megatokyo characters and tell me what you think of it! :) :: DarkLordSeth 21:48, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Now we just need to beefen up the content a bit, maybe make it sounds a little less fannish and more professional review...ist? Something like that, you probably understand what I mean. Also, I just noticed that the The Sims 2 talk page ended up on top of my watch list and after a bit of poking around, I saw it was YOU who replaced the repairwomen with prostitutes! What version of The Sims 2 do you have, anyways? :P :: DarkLordSeth 22:01, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Mweh at being overtired. Have some of this stuff! It works great! :P :: DarkLordSeth 22:22, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Oh, btw, finally made up some sort of a user page, go take a lookie! :: DarkLordSeth 13:43, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to you too, silly! :D :: DarkLordSeth 21:07, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Yes, very silly! :P Happy New Year already, hun! *huggles* :: DarkLordSeth 17:56, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

*falls over due to the savage poking* Cheeky little girl :P *covers you in maple leafs* :: DarkLordSeth 21:47, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Vandalism would be if I'd inject any nonsense into your userpage or would intentionally damage it. I just wrote down what I observed ;) Granted, it's prolly POV but it's a user page; it's the factual correctness that matters most! :P :: DarkLordSeth 20:20, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind it either... Just like to tease you around a bit :) :: DarkLordSeth 21:13, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, you can disagree with me all you want but I still think you're cute! :D :: DarkLordSeth 09:39, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thank ye, lady PMC, for editing the anon modifications to my user page. Even though they were quite harmless... :P Anyways, you into playing RPGs? Online ones? :: DarkLordSeth 01:29, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I was curious because I saw you worked on the RuneScape article and thus assumed you we're into RPGs. And, I happen to know a Canadian private server to one of the more popular MMORPGs. Thought maybe you'd enjoy an online RPG so I just wanted to know if you would like to have some more information about the online RPG I have in question. And tabletop RPGs rock, actually! I wish some people around here played them; they are so much more better then CRPGs, but no one around here plays them. Or plays them seriously, that is. :: DarkLordSeth 12:44, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I tried table-top RPGing as well a few years ago. Was pretty much unfun because the others weren't very serious nor amusing about things. The characters were moronic and the storyline... Well... What storyline? Anyways, gave up on that after a few weeks and not I'm stuck in MMORPGs, raah! :D :: DarkLordSeth 19:43, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * PMC! PMC! Where art thou, PMC? Wer bisto? :: DarkLordSeth 17:21, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Awww, you poor thing... Pissed of les parents big time, somehow? Anyways, feel free to vandalize my userpage again, I dare ya :P :: DarkLordSeth 18:27, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Mweh, that bites... And because of that they restrict net access? Laaaaaame... Tell your parents that Seth thinks they're lame :P :: DarkLordSeth 20:55, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Ye olde past bits of PMC goodness!

January 15 Seattle meetup
Just wanted to let you know we are planning another Seattle meetup on January 15, 2005. We're trying to get a sense of who will attend, so please drop by that page & leave a note. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:05, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your interest in the Seattle meetup. I went to the last one, and it was interesting to meet people whom I had previously met on line.  I live in Richmond myself and would support the occasional meeting in the Vancouver area and in the Portland area, but for practical reasons most will probably be in Seattle.

 * I have a 14 year old son (soon to be 15), and one of his presents for Christmas will be the recent book by Dan Appleman, Always Use Protection, A Teen's Guide to Safe Computing. If you asked your parents for a copy it would be a great confidence builder.  In a short section about meeting on-line acquaintnces there are three recommendations:
 * Talk to your parents before arranging to meet.
 * Don't give out personal information, but meet in a safe public place. Let friends and family know exactly where that is ahead of time.
 * Bring your parents to the first meeting, or at least a friend.

 * Since attending the meeting would involve driving from Vancouver to Seattle, and crossing the international border having your parents bring you at least to your first meeting would be ideal. Most friends and families of Wikipedians think we are all nuts, and would be bored to death by staying for a full meeting.  Having them stay for a few minutes for the introductions, and agreeing to meet them after the meeting while they go shopping or whatever could be a safe way to proceed. Eclecticology 21:53, 2004 Dec 23 (UTC)

VfD
I've gone and refactored Wynn Baronets to conform to our standards for such articles. Please have a look. Mackensen (talk) 05:40, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I went ahead and de-listed it, and I'll copy the discussion to the talk page. Mackensen (talk) 05:55, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * And a Merry Christmas to you! Mackensen (talk) 19:18, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Runscape splitting
Sorry, I didn't see your message on the talk page until a little while ago. However, I still feel that breaking it up was the right thing to do. It was already 36kb long and that's with an unfinished quests section. There is a point where an article becomes too long for someone to read through comfortably. Ofcourse, I don't know what your rewrite is like.

It might work as a single article if those sections just listed the items, with one line descriptions at most. The skills are somewhat self explanitory. If the split off articles end up as fancruft, then maybe such a detailed description isn't needed anyway, but trying to put all that stuff in one article would just make it bloated. An encyclopedic entry on RuneScape doesn't need all the intricate details. By putting them on seperate pages, it's there if the reader wants to know more, but doesn't get jumbled up with the other more general info.

Anyways, feel free to drop a line on my talk page. --Aqua 09:14, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

 * That's a great idea. It'll keep everything organized without anything getting out of hand. We also already have an article on the Kalphite Queen. However, there is already a Runes of RuneScape article. Not sure if maybe this should be moved to your suggested name so we can have the same naming convention for them. Hopefully I didn't mess up your rewrite by splitting that article off. I've leave the rest alone for the time being. --Aqua 04:44, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)

 * Alright, thanks. I was just looking at the "what links here" for RuneScape, there's alot more location articles than I had thought. --Aqua 05:25, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)

Congratulations, PMC!
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 07:37, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * AAAAAAHHHHH!!! May Eris have mercy upon us all! *runs away screamming* :P :: DarkLordSeth 12:39, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Ah, I found an admin! I want to report vandalism! An extremely silly and naughty person ravaged my user page! Oh woe is me... :( :: DarkLordSeth 22:49, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Ooooh, block me! Block me! You know what you doing. Block DarkLordSeth! For great justice! :D :: DarkLordSeth 23:02, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * You better! Or... else... *waves a spanking twig around!* It's especially for use against Canadians... It's a maple tree twig! Woot! :P :: DarkLordSeth 23:13, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Yeah, what DarkLordSeth said: Congratulations, well done! --fvw *  12:44, 2004 Dec 28 (UTC)

Wow, never saw that before...
First off, congrats on the adminship. What a way to start off huh? first the vandals and now this.

So, an anon takes a fairly lengthy article and reduces it to not much more than a stub. It does seem well intended, his/her way of "cleaning up" the article(took the notice off), but this is definately way too bold, especially for an anon with no edit history, no previous work with the article.

I believe the policy on such drastic rewrites is to create a subpage, have everyone contribute/comment on it there, and only replace the origional article when a consensus is reached. So maybe revert and put the anon's edit on a subpage, awaiting consenus(although that might be difficult with the amount of anon contributions to that page). Also leave a note on the talk page explaining what happened, and how his edit might have been too bold.

However, since you are also doing a rewrite which I'm sure will be much better, I question wether preserving this edit is really neccessary beyond just being a formality. Wikipedia is not paper and I don't see that reducing articles so drastically w/o consensus is in the spirit of wikipedia. I would definately vote not to have his version replace the origional.

 * Just a heads up. I think that anon might be pissed that you reverted his edit. Recent vandalism was by an anon with an IP that traces back to the same isp. He even tried to be (somewhat)subtle about it. Pretty funny read though. --Aqua 00:26, Jan 3, 2005 (UTC)

Heads Up
Hey-o! Thanks for the heads up about the move on the Great Big Sea (album) page. I was wondering what to name that in the first place, I can't believe I missed that. Oh, and thanks for the welcome too! =D [[User:Consequencefree| Ardent † ∈ ]] 00:10, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Congrats
Hey hey, congrats to being promoted to admin. ^^ I didn't see it, for some reason (well, I generally haven't been checking Wikipedia *that* much lately), otherwise I would of course have given you my full support. :) -- Schnee (cheeks clone) 13:56, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It's me. The 65.25.75.111 user on the Blood page.
Just wanted to let you know I got your message. I just don't usually think about logging in. :\

More anon trouble
217.44.59.71 has posted huge blocks of test to RuneScape, RuneScape locations, and RuneScape skills. All of this text comes from rune hq so it might be a copyvio. Even if it isn't, he posted all the stuff verbatim from the site, half the time in the wrong place. Either way its gonna take alot of cleanup. I guess I could go ahead and try to confirm that it's not a copyvio. Any ideas on where to go from there if it's not? --Aqua 02:43, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, if it's copyrighted any you don't have permission to use it or can claim fair use it's a copyright violation. You can't just take someone elses copyrighted work and take paragraphs of it verbatim just because you would've wrote something similar. Its the same reason you can't make a copy of your textbook and give it to someone else.

 * If it is copyvio, we'll have to revert it. If it's not, we can still rewrite it but we'll have something to work with. --Aqua 07:24, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

New outline for RuneScape
Looks pretty good, but maybe the game overview should come before the history. The Events/Unique things could be moved under game overview and named like features or something.

I'm also not a member, and I haven't played in awhile so my stuff if mostly old info. Luckily RuneScape hasn't changed that much since then(f2p).

I noticed that you included the template in the intro. I had actually intended for the template in the current form to only be applied to the split off articles in order to tie them together, just in case someone really wanted to read everything wikipedia had to say on the subject. The main article would simply have links to those subarticles in the proper places, ie with a paragraph in the main article summerizing the article to give the reader an overview of the subject covered in it.

Last thing that I want to mention is that about the fansite/clan thing. I'm not sure that listing clans here is totally in line with wikipedia policy. They aren't really encylopedic and have individual links (instead of linking to a directory of all of them) kinda implies that wikipedia supports them. And I agree about the only reasonable size fansite thing. Wikipedia is not for advertisement.

Anyways, good luck on it. --Aqua 05:20, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

PS. about the copyright thing, guy hasn't been back or replied yet, so I think it's safe to say it wasn't used with permission. Probably best not to include any of that stuff, most of it was too detailed for the main article anyway. Some of it might of been of use on the others though.

 * By clans I was actually talking about the external links, but I see now that you did that already awhile ago. Disregard that last point then. --Aqua 08:07, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

Northstar
Hey again PMC, I noticed your edit to Northstar a page I have watchlisted but have been to busy to bother fixing yet. Anyway, my comment is that your edit summary ''De-bold quotes. Why are they bolded? In fact, do we really need so many quotes? Fixed a few other errors.'' contains at least one comment more suited to the talk page. Few will read those comments in the edit summary. Just a friendly thought, as I've seen other users get chewed out for exactly that. [[User:Consequencefree| Ardent † ∈ ]] 09:25, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Megatokyo Talk
D'oh! /me makes a resolution to either use gender-netural pronouns, or look up the people me talks about. But, maybe you should go back and see if the Talk page could bear some further pruning- I woulda took out more, but since I didn't participate or write the original page, I didn't feel justified in doing so. -- Maru Dubshinki

 * 'Page-move', eh? I've never heard of it, but sounds useful.  Thanks! -- Maru Dubshinki

Father of Confederation
PMC, I don't understand why you are sending Father of Confederation to the Canadian constitution page. Please stop! The old redirect was better, and if someone started a page on actual Fathers of Confederation, all that would need to be changed is the one redirect.... Fawcett5 03:33, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Critical Response in Meteora Article
Hello, I was wondering about what your source was for asserting that Meteora received poor critical response from critics. I ask this primarily because it appears to contradict the rest of the section when it lists several entertainment companies, most of whom gave it excellent, good, or average reviews.

 * Just wanted to let you know that I responded on my talk page(I'm not sure whether we're supposed to alternatingly post on each other's pages, or post just on mine or yours). Also, I just wanted to let you know that the quote on your user page from Voltaire is a misattribution. Btboy500 17:11, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mind Benders
Hello! I've noticed your past interest in Mind Benders and wanted to share the following announcement with you! I've taken over the responsibilities of Mind Benders, and the page will now be regularly updated. Right now, the pre-round is open (it's more of a creative artistic competition), and round one will open soon (the questions are done, we just need to wait for the pre-round to begin/finish)! So why not check it out? I'll keep you updated! Thanks, Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 01:27, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Feel free to pass this news on to other Wikipedians.

Mind Benders
Hello! I've noticed your past interest in Mind Benders and wanted to let you know that round one is now officially open! Consisting of ten challenging, puzzling questions, it is sure to be tons of WikiFun! In addition, take a look at all 9 of our great artistic entries and vote for one of them! Hope to see you there! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 16:14, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

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Conservative Alliance of Zimbabwe

The Conservative Alliance of Zimbabwe (CAZ) was the final incarnation of a party formerly called the Republican Front, and prior to that it was called the Rhodesian Front (RF). In the immediate post-independence period, the party sought to promote the position of White Zimbabweans and did not initially seek support amongst other ethnic groups. Following the abolition of the "white roll" seats in parliament, the CAZ attempted to distance itself from its past and appeal to black voters.

White politics post-independence
White politics in Zimbabwe immediately after independence were mainly involved in contesting 20 reserved "white roll" seats in the Zimbabwe parliament, although some whites joined ZANU–PF. The RF party remained under the dominance of Ian Smith who insisted on keeping its identity as a white party concentrating on issues of importance to whites. The RF and later CAZ did not contest common roll seats in either 1980 or 1985. The inadequacy of this as a political strategy quickly became apparent. Most of the sitting RF MPs in the 1980 to 85 parliament either became independents or defected to ZANU–PF.

Smith's response to this in the 1985 general election was to mount a campaign against the defectors, and RF (now renamed CAZ) succeeded in winning 15 of the 20 white seats. The white seats in Parliament were abolished in 1987, although CAZ continued to enjoy limited representation at municipal level. By that time, white-led civic groups such as the CZI (Confederation of Zimbabwe Industry) and CFU (Commercial Farmers Union) were openly supporting ZANU–PF.

1985–1992
Following the abolition of the "white roll" seats in parliament, the CAZ attempted to shed some of its past legacy and broaden its appeal by reaching out to black voters and advertising membership to people of all races.

In July 1992, Ian Smith chaired a meeting of opposition political groups with a view to forming a political front to oppose ZANU–PF. This meeting was attended by representatives of Rhodesian-era parties including CAZ, UANC, ZANU–Ndonga and ZUM. The Forum for Democratic Reform and the Forum Party (incorporating CAZ) emerged from this.

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Al-Sahifa al-sajjadiyya

 (ٱلصَّحِيفَة ٱلسَّجَّادِيَّة) is a book of supplications attributed to Ali al-Sajjad (c. 659–713), the fourth imam in Shia Islam, and the great-grandson of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad. The oldest prayer manual in Islam, al-Sahifa has been praised as the epitome of Islamic spirituality and the answer to many of today's spiritual questions. In particular, Shia tradition holds the book in great esteem, ranking it behind the Quran, the central religious text of Islam, and Nahj al-Balagha, which is attributed to the fourth Caliph and first Shia imam, Ali ibn Abi Talib. Fifty-four supplications form the core of al-Sahifa, which often also includes an addenda of fourteen supplications and fifteen whispered prayers.

About the book
Al-Sahifa al-Sajjadiyya (lit. 'the scripture of al-Sajjad') is a collection of supplications. Regarded as a seminal work in Islamic spirituality, al-Sahifa has been praised as the epitome of Islamic spirituality and the answer to many of today's spiritual questions. The book is attributed to Ali al-Sajjad, the great-grandson of the Islamic prophet Muhammad and an imam in Shia Islam, also known by the honorific title Zayn al-Abidin (lit. 'ornament of worshippers'). Shia tradition holds al-Sahifa in great esteem, ranking it behind the Quran, the central text of Islam, and Nahj al-balagha, which is attributed to Ali ibn Abi Talib, the first Shia imam and the grandfather of al-Sajjad. The book is known by various honorific names in Shia Islam, including "Sister of the Quran," "Gospel of the Holy Household," and "Psalms of Muhammad's Household." It is also revered by certain Sufi orders. Numerous commentaries have been written about al-Sahifa.

Supplication is the act of addressing God with one's praise, thanksgiving, hopes, and needs. Muslims often recite the supplications of their religious authorities, starting with Muhammad and, for the Shia, continuing with their imams. In particular, al-d likely composed al-Sahifa with the Muslim community in mind. The book, for instance, contains prayers for public occasions, such as Eid al-Fitr, and also a supplication for parents, in which al-Sajjad speaks as if his parents were still alive.

Al-Sahifa may be considered as a practical realization of the essential message of Islam, shahadah, that is, "there is no god but God," or simply, God is all and man is nothing. Thus among the themes of al-Sahifa are "There is no goodness but in God," "There is no patience without God's help," "There is no gratitude but through God," and their complements, "There is no evil but in me," "There is no impatience but in my own ego," and "There is no hate but in myself." Once the worshipper admits his inadequacies and sinfulness, he can abase himself before his Lord and ask for His generosity and forgiveness.

Predominance of mercy
Al-Sahifa has been likened to a mosaic, every element of which corresponds to an element of the Quranic text. In particular, the predominance of mercy in the Quran is reflected in al-Sahifa, where al-Sajjad repeatedly takes refuge in God's mercy and its precedence over His wrath. He thus frequently asks God for forgiveness in al-Sahifa, and so did Muhammad in his prayers, even though both figures are regarded as infallible in Shia Islam. Both men likely repented with utmost sincerity, but their 'sins' were not willful disobedience of God. Rather they repeatedly asked God to conceal (istighfar) their inadequacies as limited human beings.

This emphasis of al-Sahifa on God's mercy mirrors the attitude of its author, al-Sajjad, who is reported to have said, "It is only strange if a person perishes as he perishes, given the scope of God's mercy." This attitude of al-Sajjad matches that of Muhammad, who suggested that the worshipper "should be firm and make his desire great, for what God gives is nothing great for Him." Yet God's wrath is always kept in view, for any hope in God's mercy should be accompanied by "refraining from arrogance, pulling aside from persistence [in sin], and holding fast to praying [for] forgiveness," as prescribed in passage 12:13 of al-Sahifa.

Other dimensions
In al-Sahifa, al-Sajjad sometimes alludes to the injustices suffered by Muhammad's household, the Ahl al-Bayt. There are also cases in the book where al-Sajjad prays for the Muslim community (ummah) and the rectification of their affairs, as well as soldiers guarding Muslim frontiers. Al-Sahifa might have initially been a sectarian booklet for the Shia. For instance, salutations to Muhammad and his family frequently appear in the book in defiance of Umayyad policies. In some supplications, al-Sajjad refers to imamate, a central tenet of Shia Islam.

Besides its spiritual dimension, al-Sahifa is also a source of Islamic teachings. Its prayer, "Blessing Upon the Bearers of the Throne," for instance, summarizes Islamic views about angels.

Authenticity
The attribution of al-Sahifa to al-Sajjad is often regarded as authentic, although parts of the books may have been artistically edited by others. In Shia tradition, the text is regarded as Hadith terminology, that is, handed down by numerous chains of transmission. The addenda were collected by the prominent Shia scholar Muhammad ibn Makki, while the munajat were popularized by Muhammad-Baqir Majlisi , another leading Shia scholar.

Translations
Al-Sahifa was translated into Persian during the Safavid era. An English translation of the book, entitled The Psalms of Islam, is also available with an introduction and annotations by the Islamicist W.C. Chittick.

Other collections
In addition to al-Sahifa, there are other collections of prayers attributed to al-Sajjad. The second al-Sahifa was compiled in 1643 by al-Hurr al-Amili, a renowned Shia scholar. The third al-Sahifa was collected by Afandi, a student of Majlisi. The fifth al-Sahifa by Muhsin al-Amin, a well-known contemporary Shia scholar, is the longest such collection and subsumes all other collections.

Passages

 * And the heavens and their canopies praise Him, and the earth and its embroideries, and the mountains and their heights, and trees and their branches, and the seas and their monsters, and the stars in their rising, and the rains in their falling, and the wild beasts of the earth in their preying and their dens, and the fullness of the rivers and their ripples, and the sweetness and brackishness of waters, and the blasts of the winds and their roaring, and everything that may be described or heard.
 * My worn mortal face is prostrate before Thine ever lasting, ever abiding Face. My face is prostrate, dust-soiled, before its Creator, and meet and right is this prostration. My face is prostrate before Him who created and formed it and pierced for it (the openings of) hearing and sight. Blessed be God, the Best of Creators. My miserable and lowly face is prostrate before the Mighty, the Glorious.
 * My God, were it not incumbent on me too obey Thy command, I should have considered Thy transcendence too great for me to direct my invocation to Thee.
 * My God, Thou hast created me, a body, and with it hast given to me instruments of obedience or disobedience, and hast appointed for me in my own nature a soul clamant for selfish ends, and after this Thou hast said to me, "Abstain, my servant!" Through Thee (only) can I guard my innocence. Keep me then from evil. Through Thee (only) can I be shielded from sin. Then do Thou keep me.
 * Our God and Lord and Master, if we weep until our eyelashes fall out, and wail till our voices fail us, and stand till our feet shrivel, and bow till our joints are dislocated, and prostrate ourselves till our eyeballs burst, and eat the dust of the earth all our lives long, and make mention of Thee till our tongues fail, we shall not thereby have earned the wiping out of one of our misdeeds.
 * One of the generous acts of the noble is compassionate kindness to captives, and I am a captive through my crime, the captive of my criminality, bound by my own deeds.
 * I ask Thee to have mercy on me, on my delicate skin, this slender frame which cannot endure the heat of Thy sun. How then will it endure the heat of Thy Fire? And when it cannot bear the voice of Thy thunder, how can it bear the voice of Thine anger?
 * My God my sins do not harm Thee and Thy pardon does not impoverish Thee. Then forgive me what does not harm Thee and give me what Thou wilt not miss.
 * [O God!] Act toward me with the forgiveness and mercy of which Thou art worthy! Act not toward me with the chastisement and vengeance of which I am worthy!
 * [O God!] Have mercy on me, laid on my bed, when the hands of my loved ones turn me over. Have mercy on me, laid on the washing table, when compassionate neighbors wash my corpse. Have mercy on me, borne among, when my relatives hold the sides of my bier. Have mercy on me, in that dark house, on my homesickness, my strangeness, my solitude. For whom has the slave to show mercy to him save the Master?
 * O Companion of every stranger, be the Companion of my strangeness in the grave. O second with every solitary one, have mercy on my solitude in the grave.

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Republican Front (Zimbabwe)

The Republican Front was a political party in Zimbabwe in the 1980s, led by Ian Smith as the continuation of the Rhodesian Front. The name change came on 6 June 1981 as an attempt to distance itself from its policies of the past.

On 23 July 1984 it was renamed the Conservative Alliance of Zimbabwe. At that time the party, which had started with an all-white membership, tried to appeal to black members, as well as black voters who wished to oppose the policies of the Robert Mugabe government.

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Kojo Annan

Kojo Adeyemo Annan (born 25 July 1973) is a Ghanaian-Nigerian businessman and son of the late former UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan.

Early life
Kojo Annan was born in Geneva, Switzerland, on 25 July 1973. Kojo Annan and his sister Ama Annan are from Kofi Annan's first marriage with Titi Alakija, a Nigerian. The couple separated when Kojo Annan was six years old and divorced two years later. After his parents separated, he lived with his father and spent holidays with his mother and sister. Kojo Annan's second name "Adeyemo" means "the crown befits the child" in Yoruba. Kojo Annan is a maternal grandson of Sir Adeyemo Alakija.

Kojo Annan was educated in Wales at the independent Rydal Preparatory School, and in England, at Rendcomb College, where he excelled as a rugby player and subsequently at Keele University. He was also educated in Switzerland.

Career
From 1995 to 1997, Kojo Annan worked in West Africa for the Swiss-based inspection company Cotecna, then as a marketing consultant for the company.

In September 1998, Kojo Annan met with several heads of state and government ministers during the opening session of the U.N. General Assembly. In December, Cotecna won a $4.8 million Oil-for-Food contract.

Kojo Annan, Kofi Annan and Cotecna deny that the younger Annan was involved in the Oil-for-Food contract. Kojo Annan also claimed that connections with Cotecna severed after 1998; however, he continued to be paid by the company until February 2004.

The Second Interim Report by the IIC confirmed that Cotecna indeed won the Oil-for-Food contract fairly and based on merit. The Committee concluded that there was no link between Kofi Annan and the award of Cotecna's contract; and Cotecna had been transparent and cooperative through this investigation.

On 13 December 2004, Kojo Annan claimed that the probe into the Oil-for-Food Programme by U.S. congressional committees was "a witchhunt from day one as part of a broader Republican political agenda."

A January 2005 article in The Sunday Times announced that he had confessed involvement in the UN Oil-for-Food Programme scandal; in a libel settlement eleven months later, the paper announced that it now "entirely accepts that the allegation was untrue."

Megadeth's front-man Dave Mustaine, mentioned Kojo Annan in the song "United Abominations", the title track of Megadeth's 2007 studio release. This song, based on the UN, sparked an official retort from the UN on 10 July by Mark Leon Goldberg of the United Nations affairs blog, UN Dispatch, who posted a rebuttal based on the accusations Mustaine made in the song.

In April 2016, he was listed in a leaked confidential document, the Panama Papers, revealing his use of offshore accounts.

Kojo Annan currently holds interest in a number of start-ups and has founded Africa10 in 2016, a social enterprise focusing on the development of African youth through sports and education

Personal life
In March 2014, it was reported that Kojo Annan had married Shanthi Wilkinson. He has two sons, born 2015 and 2018. He is the son of former UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan and the nephew of Ghanaian diplomat Kobina Annan.

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Sahifah

Ṣaḥīfah (صحيفة), also spelled sahifa or sahifeh, is an Arabic word meaning 'writing', 'book', or 'volume'. It may refer to:

 * al-Sahifa al-Sajjadiyya, a book of supplications attributed to Ali ibn Husayn, the great-grandson of the Islamic prophet Muhammad and the fourth Shia Imam
 * the Sahifah of al-Ridha, a collection of 240 hadiths attributed to Ali ibn Musa al-Rida, the eighth Shia Imam
 * Sahifat Hammam ibn Munabbih, an early hadith collection attributed to Hammam ibn Munabbih (died 711BC or 748BC)

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Gilbert Perreault

Gilbert Perreault (born November 13, 1950) is a Canadian former professional ice hockey centre who played for 17 seasons with the National Hockey League's Buffalo Sabres. He was the first draft pick of the Sabres in their inaugural season in the NHL. He is well known as the centre man for the prolific trio of Sabres forwards known as The French Connection. The trio helped the Sabres reach the 1975 Stanley Cup Finals.

He was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1990. Known for his ability to stickhandle in close quarters, he is regarded as one of the most skillful playmaking centres of all time. In 2017 Perreault was named one of the '100 Greatest NHL Players' in history.

Perreault was a standout junior hockey player who went on to be selected to nine National Hockey League All-Star Games and two post-season NHL All-Star teams (second team centre), while winning the Calder Memorial Trophy and a Lady Byng Trophy, and being selected to the Hockey Hall of Fame. He played his entire 17-year career with the Buffalo Sabres and continues to be the all-time franchise leader in career regular season games played, goals, assists, points, game-winning goals, and shots on goal, serving as the team's captain from 1981 until his retirement in November 1986. He led the team to 11 consecutive playoff appearances ending with the 1984–85 season.

Over the course of his 17-season career he accumulated 512 goals and 814 assists in 1191 games. Among his career highlights was the game-winning goal in overtime of the 1978 National Hockey League All-Star Game played at the Buffalo Memorial Auditorium. Perreault once totaled seven points in a single game, which remains a Sabres record. He also recorded the first power play goal and the first hat trick in the team's history. He is the only Buffalo Sabre to wear number 11, with the number being retired in his honor.

Early life
Perreault began playing organized hockey at about age six. He preferred street hockey to playing on the ice and did not skate until he was eight. He began playing minor ice hockey at age nine. He played in the 1961, 1962 and 1963 Quebec International Pee-Wee Hockey Tournaments with Victoriaville. He left home at the age of 16 to join his first junior hockey team. His first year (1966–67) of junior hockey was spent with Thetford Mines in the Quebec Junior A League. His teammates included Rick Kehoe and Marc Tardif. The team won the league championships.

Amateur career
After the Quebec Junior A League shut down, Perreault joined the Montreal Junior Canadiens of the Ontario Hockey Association (OHA) for the 1967–68 season, the first of three years with the Junior Canadiens. His 49 points in 47 games helped the Junior Canadiens to a second-place finish. During his second year on the team, one that included future NHL talents Réjean Houle and André Dupont as well as future professional teammates Jocelyn Guevremont and Richard Martin, Perreault blossomed. His 97 points were second on the team to Houle's 108 points, and they earned him OHA first All-Star team honours. As Perreault blossomed, the team excelled. In his second season, the team finished first in the OHA and won the 1969 Memorial Cup Canadian Junior championship. It was the first Memorial Cup win for Montreal since 1950.

After Houle moved on to become the NHL's first overall pick, Perreault assumed the leadership role and compiled a 51-goal, 71 assist season, which led the team in both categories and place second in the league to Marcel Dionne's 132 points. The Canadiens defeated the Weyburn Red Wings to become the third junior team to successfully defend their championship and the Memorial Cup. Perreault was named the Ontario Hockey Association most valuable player.

The record of the 1969 and 1970 Montreal Junior Canadiens in the playoffs was so outstanding it caused a change in Memorial Cup eligibility rules. Previously, all Junior clubs in Canada were eligible for the cup, but the Junior Canadiens beat a club from Prince Edward Island so badly in the playoffs that 'Junior A' was re-organized into 'Major Junior' and 'Junior A'. Since then, only Major Junior clubs are eligible for the Cup.

Professional career
In 1970, two new franchises were awarded in the NHL — the Buffalo Sabres and the Vancouver Canucks. It was a foregone conclusion Perreault would be the first selection in the 1970 Entry Draft. The two new teams took part in a roulette wheel spin to determine who would get the first pick. Ultimately, the Canucks were allocated numbers 2-6 on the wheel, while the Sabres had 8-12 (The number 7 spot was neutral, meaning the pointer landing on it would have required a re-spin). When league president Clarence Campbell spun the wheel, he initially thought the pointer landed on 1 (in reality, the wheel had no number 1 spot) and started to congratulate the Vancouver delegation. However, Sabres coach/general manager Punch Imlach asked Campbell to check again. As it turned out, the pointer was on 11. Imlach had chosen 8-12 for the roulette wheel spin because it included 11, which was his favourite number. This was the first year the Montreal Canadiens did not have a priority right to draft Québécois junior players. Consequently, Perreault was available and taken first overall by the Sabres.

Coincidentally, Perreault had worn #11 throughout his junior career, and kept it in Buffalo in honour of the roulette wheel choice. As expected, he became an immediate star. He scored a goal in the franchise's very first game, which was a 2–1 victory on October 10, 1970, against the Pittsburgh Penguins. During his first season, he led the Sabres in scoring (with 38 goals and added 34 assists) — a feat he would never fail to accomplish in any season in which he did not miss significant time to injury before his penultimate year — and won the Calder Trophy as rookie of the year.

Perreault developed a reputation as a superb stickhandler, and scored a goal on his first shift in a professional scrimmage. Bobby Orr once said of Perreault: "His head and shoulders go one way, his legs go the other way, and the puck is doing something else. When I first saw it I couldn't believe it." His popularity and respect surpassed O. J. Simpson in a poll of Buffalonians about the best Buffalo athlete. Phil Esposito once said if anyone was to break his 76-goal, 152 point season records "It will be Gilbert Perreault."

Before the 1971–72 NHL season the Sabres drafted Perreault's Junior Canadiens teammate, Rick Martin, with their first pick. The two jelled as a tandem with each scoring 74 points. Late in the season the Sabres traded Eddie Shack for Rene Robert. The trio formed one of the decade's most memorable and exciting lines, known as "The French Connection" with Robert on right wing and Martin on left wing. They ended the following 1972–73 season sweeping the top three scoring positions for the team and leading the franchise to its first playoff appearance with Perreault winning the Lady Byng Trophy as the most gentlemanly player. In 1973–74, Perreault endured a broken leg that limited him to 55 games.

The 1974–75 NHL season was memorable for the Sabres' Stanley Cup Finals appearance. The Sabres finished first in the newly reformatted league's Adams Division, and the French Connection members each finished in the top ten in league scoring. The Sabres defeated original six teams Chicago Black Hawks and Montreal Canadiens on their way to a Finals appearance against the Philadelphia Flyers. The Sabres lost the series four games to two. 1975 was the closest Perreault would come to winning the Stanley Cup.

International career
Perreault was named to the Canadian national team ("Team Canada") that participated in the 1972 Summit Series against the Soviet Union. He managed to contribute two points in two games but left the team after game five.

In 1976, Canada hosted the first Canada Cup series. Perreault played with future Hockey Hall of Fame members such as Bobby Orr, Darryl Sittler, Bobby Hull, Guy Lafleur and Marcel Dionne. Perreault often played on a line with fellow Québécois Lafleur and Dionne. Canada won the series after beating Czechoslovakia in a best two out of three. He later played in the 1981 Canada Cup on a line with Wayne Gretzky and Lafleur. He was playing some of the best hockey of his career, leading all scorers with nine points in four games, when he was forced out of the tournament with a broken ankle. Canada lost the final to the USSR 8–1. Perreault was named to the All Tournament Team, despite playing in only four of Canada's seven games.

Retirement
Perreault retired at the end of the 1985-86 season. Thereafter, pension changes came into effect significantly boosting the pensions of retired players who played at least 20 games in the 1986-87 season. He duly came out of retirement and still played effectively, scoring 9 goals in the first 14 games. He retired for good on November 24, 1986, after his 20th game.

He finished his career with scoring totals of 512 goals and 814 assists for 1326 points in 1191 games. At the time of his retirement, Perreault was the sixth leading scorer in NHL history. Along with the other two members of the French Connection, Perreault was inducted into the Buffalo Sabres Hall of Fame in 1989. He was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1990, and the Sabres retired his number 11 in the same year, having been the only player to ever wear number 11 for the Buffalo Sabres; his #11 was the first number retired by the Sabres. When his French Connection linemates' numbers were retired, Perreault's #11 was lowered and raised back between Martin's #7 and Robert's #14, as the Buffalo Sabres retired the French Connection line as a group, marking the first three players to have their numbers retired by the Sabres. A statue of "The French Connection," unveiled in 2012, is located outside of the Sabres' arena, known today as KeyBank Center.

Since his retirement from hockey, Perreault has remained active in the game, coaching Junior teams in the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League. In addition, he also plays on occasion with the Buffalo Sabres Alumni Hockey Team for charity events.

Personal life
Perreault is married to Carmen, has two sons, Marc-André (born 1978) and Sean (born 1986), and still resides in his hometown of Victoriaville, Quebec. After retiring from playing, Perreault coached junior ice hockey, and invested in real estate. In his spare time, Perreault enjoys golfing, listening to music, and going to the movies.

Career achievements

 * Holds franchise record for most games (1191), goals (512), assists (814) and points (1326) with the Buffalo Sabres.
 * Won the Calder Memorial Trophy in 1971.
 * Won the Lady Byng Memorial Trophy in 1973.
 * Named an NHL second team All-Star in 1976 and 1977.
 * Chosen to play in eight NHL All-Star Games in 1970–71, 1971–72, 1973–74, 1974–75, 1976–77, 1977–78, 1979–80, and 1983–84, as well as the 1979 Challenge Cup, which pitted NHL players against a team representing the Soviet Union, in place of an all-star game in 1979.
 * In 1998, he was ranked number 47 on The Hockey News' list of the 100 Greatest Hockey Players.

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Talk:Mallam Aminu Kano International Airport

This page needs moving. It's been a while since I was there, but I was in Nigeria when the name was changed and I am pretty sure the airport carries the man's full name. Best web link I can find is http://www.nama-nig.com/branch.html. —iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 01:30, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)

 * It's been a couple of days and no one has commented. I have moved the page. —iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 07:24, Dec 24, 2004 (UTC)

Only KLM?
I take issue with the phrase "Until they indefinitely suspended services in June 2012, KLM was the only European airline serving Kano". I am sure Kano was served by Sabena for a long while. Probably by more European airlines, too. Anyone care to follow up? Jan olieslagers (talk) 06:13, 26 July 2017 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:South African wikipedians' notice board

Welcome to the South African Wikipedians' Notice Board.

All wikipedians interested in working on South Africa and South African related subjects are invited to use this as a tool for better organizing their activities, making anouncements to others with similar interests, and keeping track of work on the area.

Although South Africa has a relatively small population, and the community of South Africans on the English Wikipedia is not huge, using this board we should be able to improve wikipedia's imperfect coverage of South Africa.

Active Wikipedians interested in South Africa

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To-Do List
This page attempts to organize and keep track of the articles on South Africa and South African related subjects on Wikipedia. Each article is assigned a level of completedness according to the following scale:

- stub, a paragraph or two, completely inadequate. - maybe a few paragraphs, but coverage is inadequate, still missing some basic information. - Many paragraphs, covers all, or almost all, basic information, provides a bit of depth. - Featured article status, or has gone as far as it can go, as in the case of a simple list.

When rating articles keep in mind the subject at hand. A very broad topic could be considered inadequate even if it is much longer than another article on a very narrow topic.

Please update the page as you see fit.

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Tubias Smigt
Supposedly the world record holder for the fastest drum solo, although no source is cited. 0 hits on Google. --LeeHunter 01:31, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * This page is vandalism. Speedy delete it—Trevor Caira 02:01, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, but I'm not sure it's vandalism, so speedy might not be appropriate. Dbenbenn 03:15, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete as hoax or as non-notable. This is not the guiness book of records.  --fvw *  03:29, 2004 Dec 22 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP != GWR. Alphax (talk) 03:34, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable. Iam 04:02, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unverifiable. [[User:Livajo|Ливай | ☺]] 22:20, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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Phil Eyler

Philip Lee Eyler (born September 1, 1948 in Hagerstown, Maryland) is a former politician in Manitoba, Canada. He was a New Democratic member of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba from 1981 to 1986.

The son of Donald W. Eyler and Helen F. Dern, he was educated at Bridgewater College, Carleton University in Ottawa, Ontario, and the University of Manitoba. He has several academic degrees, including a certificate in resource management from the latter institution. In 1975, Eyler married Paula J. Harper.

He was elected to the Manitoba legislature in the provincial election of 1981, defeating Progressive Conservative candidate Harold Piercy by 46 votes in the upscale north Winnipeg riding of River East. He was not appointed to cabinet, but served as Deputy Speaker from December 2, 1982 to February 11, 1986.

Eyler lost to Tory candidate Bonnie Mitchelson in the 1986 provincial election. The NDP have been unable to recover the seat in the intervening years, and Eyler has not sought a comeback in provincial politics. Following his defeat, he was appointed to the Ministry of Industry, Trade and Tourism. Eyler currently resides in Kenora, Ontario.

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Talk:Penn Singers

Not the only one
The only collegiate group in America to have performed all but one Gilbert and Sullivan show? Can this be independently verified somehow? It sounds unlikely. AJD 01:36, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * No, it is not true. I know of several.  UMGASS (the oldest collegiate G&S Society in the US, which has performed all the G&S shows) is certainly more notable than Penn Singers, and it does not have a Wiki article.  I do not believe that college theatre groups should have a Wiki page separate from their universities' page.  Otherwise every college theatre group would have a Wiki page.  They just aren't notable.  See WP:ORG and WP:MUS.  Ssilvers 17:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Merge
IMO, the accomplishments of this group should be added to the discussion of various groups who contribute to the cultural life of U. of P. on the U. of P. entry. -- Ssilvers 23:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I do see some sense in merging, as I see nothing which indicates how this troupe passes WP:MUSIC. Sources cited indicate purely local interest. It is not signed, and there are no nation-wide tours, nor charted hit singles or albums. Ohconfucius 08:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Prod tag
I restored the Prod tag. If you want to remove the tag on the grounds that an AfD is better, start the AfD before removing the tag. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:10, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What? That's not how proposed deletion works. Anyone is allowed to contest a proposed deletion for any reason, without any obligation to start an AfD. Furthermore, this article has already been nominated for deletion, so isn't eligible for a prod. Jfire (talk) 18:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This article could be put up again for deletion via AFD, or it could be proposed for merger withtharticle on the university, but it is absolutely not eligible for PROD since it has previously been through AFD and survived as "No consensus." There is no need to start an AFD before removing the PROD tag. My response to the AFD was "Weak keep" since there were several references from campus papers and the like, but I wanted to see one or more off-campus independent and reliable sources with substantial coverage. Edison (talk) 19:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * A year has gone by, and no such refs have been offered. I was merely noting that the reason given for removal of the tag was that the remover said the article should be put up for AfD instead.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I checked Newspaperarchive.com and only found a number of directory-type listings of upcoming performances over the years, without any substantive reviews or discussion, for what that's worth. Edison (talk) 22:39, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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 * The former North-West Frontier Province (1901–2010).

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How does someone start using this? --Sgeo | Talk 01:38, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)

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Older discussion (2004)
"PK" is a slang term used among Christians and heard by others. If they do not know what a PK is, it will not be found in the dictionary or in the encyclopedia.

There are terms such as "Xian" meaning Christian on this site. "PK" is another one of those slang terms that is used by sone and not everybody knows. Therefore, they may come here looking for a definition.

This is where I found "Xian."
 * KagomeShuko, can you sign ( ~ ) your edits on talk pages, thanks Mike ~ mlk ✉ ♬ 06:51, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC) ~

Does anyone else it would be great if "Pastor's Kid" was a wikipedia category/list? Off the top of my head there's Condaleeza Rice, John Ashcroft, Britney Spears... and way more. -Genesis Winter

Article only portrays two stereotypes (2007)
This article only portrays two stereotypes, the "rebellious teen" and the "holier than thou". It doesn't really discuss the problems and resentments that can build up. The pressure on the kids to have exemplary behavior and not cause trouble for the father, combined with the father who is very busy, but seems to have unlimited time for everybody else but the family. This profession is a difficult one to balance the demands of the job and the family, the fathers often come home emotionally drained by continuous contact with people and their problems, to collapse at home, with the family feeling pressure not to add their own problems to the burdens already on the father. Perhaps a third stereotype that also has some truth would be the kids that feel pressure to always be perfect, friendly and happy, and that have learned to repress their own feelings and sense of abandonment.--Silverback 09:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

This third stereotype is probably the most widespread amongst the many PKs I grew up with. PKs that were all happy, friendly, polite, the perfect children as far as the outside world was concerned. Seeing how we grew up, and the many that have had unhappy lives makes you wonder just how many of those perfect children were deeply troubled underneath. Our feelings were not the important ones, PKs were there to serve the parish, trained not to mind when parents had no time for them. This sense of abandonment and of being unlovable as a result of not having attention lavished on one must surely have a big effect on adult relationships. The scars run deep, but one feels they must always be hidden. How many attract partners and then feel beholden to stay with them because of that sense of duty implanted as a child? Surely a fascinating subject for psychological studies.

Scrundle 11:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

General discussion and AfD (2011)
New to editing on WikiPedia so if I screw up protocol or something, just let me know.

Silverback and Scrundle have it. As a PK myself, I can attest to this third stereotype... I was actually quite disappointed to see the phenomenon so poorly represented in this article. (I would love to edit it, but as I said, I'm a bit nervous about breaching WikiPedia protocol for editing, bibliography and so on.) We weren't an unhappy family as a whole, but there was a growing sense of resentment over things like, for example, never being able to go fishing with my dad because he was too busy with counseling appointments. As a family we were all involved in the ministry, so it wasn't like Dad was the only one engaged in things, but it all left very little time for us to be family and do crazy things like take vacations.

There's more to the story than just 3 stereotypes, though. Scrundle hit on part of it. Having been indoctrinated to be both of service to a community and to keep our issues on the down-low, we often end up in relationships that aren't ideal and have issues getting out of them. Communication issues abound due to the "seen and not heard" aspect of our childhoods. Many of us will work to exhaustion to "fix" these relationships (and even partners), mirroring our parents' role as marriage and family counsellors. Anecdotally, we have a predisposition to codependence due to our need to be loved and willingness to kill ourselves to maintain a relationship.

The problem is that I don't know of any works that express these things, so the bibliography would be a bit short and I know that personal observations and experience aren't considered to meet the standards of WikiPedia.

--ArmchairDeity (talk) 15:48, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

I would like to have such information added to the article. I'm sure there are other than the three stereotypes. Unfortunately, I have not had the time to edit wikipedia articles or research such things. However, I've heard there are many books about "PKs." I am not sure what wikipedia's standards are at the moment, though I do know about not allowing personal observation and experience only. Stein Auf! KagomeShuko (talk) 03:03, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

POV Issues? (2011)
I have removed a POV tag from the article, since I can find no trace of any POV issues being discussed. -- 58.6.117.124 (talk) 00:21, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

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Isn't there a Hawza based out of Najaf? Kufa? —iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 01:43, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)

Copyvio
If anyone cares, the "Hawza subjects" section is a pile of copyvio from http://www.al-islam.org/index.php?t=258&cat=258#s1 William M. Connolley (talk) 08:35, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
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Too much farsi
.... advanced levels of the Hawza including Muqad'dim'maat, Sotooh, Sotooh 'Ulya, 'Uloom ukhra and Bahath Kharij.

Which means what? Zezen (talk) 20:03, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

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Strakonice

Strakonice (Strakonitz) is a town in the South Bohemian Region of the Czech Republic. It has about 23,000 inhabitants.

Administrative parts
Strakonice is made up of the town parts of Strakonice I and Strakonice II, and the villages of Dražejov, Hajská, Modlešovice, Přední Ptákovice, Střela and Virt.

Geography
Strakonice is located about 51 km northwest of České Budějovice. It lies mostly in the northern tip of the České Budějovice Basin, but the municipal territory also extends to the Blatná Uplands on the north and to the Bohemian Forest Foothills on the south. The highest point is the hill Velká Kakada with an altitude of 564 m.

The town is situated at the confluence of the Volyňka and Otava rivers. There are several ponds in the territory; the largest of them are Velkoholský and Blatský. In the municipal territory there are the Bažantnice u Pracejovic nature reserve and the Tůně u Hajské nature monument.

History
A moated castle on the Otava River was built by the noble family Bavors of Strakonice at the beginning of the 13th century, the first written mention of the castle is from 1235. The first written mention of the village of Strakonice is from 1243, when the Church of Saint Wenceslaus already existed and when Bavors donated a part of the castle and several villages in the vicinity to the Knights Hospitaller of the Order of Saint John. In 1318, Strakonice already was a town.

From 1402, the Knights Hospitaller owned the whole castle as well as the surrounding estate. In 1420 the Hussite commander Jan Žižka occupied Strakonice, but failed to capture the fortress. Strakonice Castle experienced an extensive reconstruction to a representation residence of the Grand Priors of the Order in the 16th century, the later modifications were minor only. After the Thirty Years' War, the castle has lost its significance.

During the 19th century, the town was industrialized. In the 1860s, the town was connected with České Budějovice and Plzeň by railway, which helped its further development.

Climate
Strakonice has a cool, wet, and temperate inland version of a humid continental climate (Dfb).

Economy
Since the 19th century Strakonice was a main production site for fez hats and it also became an industrial centre known for its motorbikes and hand guns production.

Strakonice is also known for its brewery called "Dudák – Burghers' Brewery Strakonice", located nearby the castle. It produces the beer under the brand Strakonický Dudák. The Strakonice Burghers' Brewery is the last brewery in the Czech Republic to still be owned by a town. The tradition of beer brewing in the town started in 1367 and the Burghers' Brewery was founded in 1649.

Transport
Strakonice lies the railway line of national importance heading from Brno to Plzeň via České Budějovice and Strakonice. It is also the starting point of the lines to Beroun, Milevsko, Blatná and Volary.

Culture
Every year, the town hosts the International Bagpipe Festival. The town's bagpipe tradition refers to the famous work of Josef Kajetán Tyl Strakonický dudák ("The Bagpiper of Strakonice"). The festival has been held since 1967 and is one of the most important folklore festivals in the world.

Sights
Most of the historic buildings were demolished during the 20th century. The Strakonice Castle today serves as a regional museum and gallery. Its exhibitions focus on motorcycles, weapons, bagpipers and the traditional fez production. The Rumpál Tower serves as a lookout tower. Part of the castle complex is the Church of Saint Procopius. It is originally a Romanesque building, rebuilt in the Baroque style with Rococo elements.

The Church of Saint Margaret was built in the late Gothic style with many Renaissance elements in 1580–1583. Baroque modifications were made in 1777. It is among the main landmarks of the town centre.

The Church of Saint Wenceslaus was originally a medieval Gothic church, founded in the 1300s. It was rebuilt in the Baroque style in 1720–1730. It is a cemetery church.

The Church of the Virgin Mary is a pilgrimage church located in Přední Ptákovice. It was built in 1771–1774, when it replaced a chapel from 1749.

Notable people

 * Jan Antonín Losy (c. 1650–1721), lute player and composer
 * František Čelakovský (1799–1852), writer and translator
 * Martin Mathias Secor (1841–1911), American businessman
 * Leopold Ehrmann (1886–1951), architect
 * Riccardo Pick-Mangiagalli (1882–1949), Italian composer
 * Xena Longenová (1891–1928), actress
 * Josef Skupa (1892–1957), puppeteer
 * Věra Machoninová (born 1928), architect
 * Marie Poledňáková (1941–2022), film director
 * Pavel Pavel (born 1957), engineer and experimental archaeologist
 * Roman Turek (born 1970), ice hockey player
 * Alexander Salák (born 1987), ice hockey player
 * Zdeněk Ondrášek (born 1988), footballer
 * Jindřich Staněk (born 1996), footballer
 * Vít Krejčí (born 2000), basketball player

Twin towns – sister cities
Strakonice is twinned with:
 * 🇩🇪 Bad Salzungen, Germany
 * 🏴 Calderdale, England, United Kingdom
 * Lengnau, Switzerland

Strakonice also has friendly relations with Rawicz in Poland.

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Confusion about wording

 * For instance in 1994 it ruled that the Spanish consonants ch and ll would be alphabetized normally, and not as separate letters as in the past.

I find this sentence incredibly confusing. The most obvious interpretation, for me, of normally would be placing ch after cz and ll after lz, as I learned to do it a few years ago when I took Spanish (and I can only assume most of the native Spanish speakers learned to do as well). The most obvious interpretation, for me, of as separate letters would be that c and h are separate letters, resulting in placing ch after cg. Only the phrase in the past hints that the situation is in fact the exact opposite of the one I would have otherwise surmised. Does anyone disagree? Does anyone agree? Can we think of a better way to say this? 66.32.73.115 01:45, 22 December 2004 (UTC)

 * Where are you from? What the author was saying was that the entity 'ch' was thought of as a (1) letter. A single letter. If it weren't a separate letter, its parts would fall into the normal alphabetical order of the dictionary. As a separate letter, it had its own place after the letter c. Don't let the fact that the letter 'ch' was composed of two characters confuse you. The same goes for 'll'. --Djacobs 18:56, 7 April 2005 (UTC)

 * It is a quite logical and reasonable confusion. That isn't a terminology in general use. And it isn't essential to characterize it as being "one letter" in order to alphabetize it as if it were. Gene Nygaard 14:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Non neutrality
I find this article to be a little bit non neutral and certain statements, just like the one that says that its goal is "to assure that Spanish speakers will always be able to read Cervantes". It does not have any documentation or reference.

On the other hand, I am a native spanish speaker from Latin America and I have never perceived that it receives criticism from us for being too conservative. People just talk the way they want to as long as we understand ourselves no matter what the dictionary says; even though we recognize when we are not speaking in a correct manner.

It looks to me the article is incomplete and needs revision. A good source to add a few things (even though that isn't a really complete article either) is the spanish version of the article. Dominican 17:10, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Connotation of the English translation of "fija".
I changed the translation of the motto "Limpia, fija y da esplendor", from '[The academy] cleans, fixes and gives splendor' to 'cleans steadies and gives splendor' because in English, the verb "to fix" can mean either to fix something which is incorrect or to fix something which is not anchored. The latter is a more accurate interpretation of the Spanish use of "fija". NichCharles 23:54, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I've checked this with a friend who is a linguist in Spain and whose native language is Spanish.  I asked her what the motto meant in English, and she says that "fija" in that motto means "it settles" or "it establishes", which sounds more precise in English than "steadies" or "affixes".  (Also, as hinted to above: the verb "fijar" never means "to correct" or "to repair" like "to fix" does in English.  "Fijar" always means "to fix in place" as in "to nail down".)  --Closeapple 23:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think in this case "fijar" is best translated to "establishes" because ultimately the academy does establish the language. It does not necessarily "fix" the language as we think of fix in English.--MrNiceGuy1113 (talk) 16:36, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Wording was "... sets and gives splendour". I changed it to "... sets and casts splendour" because I think is a better translation. Thunderbird2 (talk) 12:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

"Fijar" also means "to keep an eye out" as in "Fijate en lo que haces" = "Keep an eye out on what you are doing"; I guess this meaning is just an extension of "to fix in place". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.160.77.20 (talk) 20:32, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Except that meaning is only applicable as a pronominal verb, meaning it requires the presence of a "me", "se", "te", "nos" or "os", which is NOT the case here. Check it out. Also I'm willing to bet the actual meaning here is #4: "Determinar, limitar, precisar, designar de un modo cierto. Fijar el sentido de una palabra, la hora de una cita."/"To determine, delimitate, precise, designate in a concrete way. [Fijar] the meaning of a word, the time for an appointment". Also, I know it's been nearly a decade since this discussion, but when did the translation get changed back to a mere "fixes"? 213.94.18.239 (talk) 16:22, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Clarification on purpose and recognition
I am commenting here because of a minor heated debate in the "Spanish Language" discussion page (don't know if any of the same folks read this discussion as well). There has been some debate about the role of the RAE with regard to the Spanish language which this article does not directly address. It occurs to me that it is worth addressing this (or at least more acknowledge the controversy).

The debate is basically how widely the RAE's authority extends in defining the language. That is to say, is it fair to say that the RAE's definition of Spanish is considered the "correct language" by the majority of the Spanish-speaking world or is it more fair to say that the RAE defines a standard that is recognized as only applying to a minority of the Spanish-speaking populous. The article seems to imply the former but does not directly answer the question.

One particular reason to ask this question is so as to answer the following question. When writing about the contemporary Spanish language in general, is it more appropriate to write about the RAE standard and mention the colloquial dialects (as presumably the RAE would recommend) or is it more appropriate to write about the colloquial use of the language and mention the RAE as one attempt at standardization (as usually is done with English since there is no well established standard)? --Mcorazao 20:53, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

 * It is actually more complicated than that. For things like including words in the Diccionario de la Lengua, the RAE sends word suggestions to the national academies for approval/comments before including them. On the other hand, for things like ortography and semantics they tend to be rather more prescriptive, though they do note local variants when it is pertinent to do so. Finally, the RAE also tends to update their own manuals to reflect (more or less) current usage of the language so in that sense it is also descriptive. Then you also have to consider the role of the national academies... I know this doesn't really answer your question, but hopefully will help you realize this is not a black/white situation. -- Run e Welsh | ταλκ 22:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

nonsense
I think this paragraph is nonsense:
 * «In 1959 it added an acute accent (from upper-right to lower-left) to the orthography (spelling) of conjugations, for example, to: reunió ("reunited", "gathered together") a past form of: reunir ("to reunite", "to gather together") to ensure that the individual letters eu were spoken individually, and not as a single-sound diphthong.» —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.38.181.214 (talk) 15:00, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Whoever wrote it may have been thinking about present tense forms like reúno, reúne. Anyway I took it out and replaced it with a general paragraph about orthography and the RAE. Still needs some work. CapnPrep (talk) 19:00, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Weasel-worded ideological sentence
What does it mean to say that the Academy "has come under fire" for not using free licenses? WHO has made this criticism? Phrasing it as an impersonal sentence just makes it seem that this is some Linux user with an agenda about "free licenses" invading the article for ideological reasons. Bullofconfusion (talk) 23:49, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Trivia from Ch (digraph)

 * Each board member of the Real Academia Española (Royal Spanish Academy) has traditionally been assigned a seat at the board that is identified by an uppercase or lowercase letter of the Spanish alphabet. Thus, given that traditionally the digraphs ch and ll were considered single letters in the Spanish alphabet (with their own names che and elle), the Academy has four of its seats labelled CH, ch, LL and ll. This practice has been maintained even after the Association of Spanish Language Academies ruled in 1994 that, in order to facilitate international compatibility, these two digraphs be no longer collated as separate letters.

Removed trivia from other article that doesn't really belong. May be added in a section here, where it's a little more appropriate, and a link placed in the other article. — Eru·tuon 01:45, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Translated pieces from Spanish Wikipedia article
Krubo (talk) 01:56, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Added second paragraph.
I translated the second paragraph from the Spanish Wikipedia. I am not completely sure of the translation of the founding charter quote, which in Spanish is as follows: "velar por que los cambios que experimente [...] no quiebren la esencial unidad que mantiene en todo el ámbito hispánico." Anyone who can help fix or confirm this please let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrNiceGuy1113 (talk • contribs) 16:26, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Limpia, fija y da esplendor – verbs and/or adjectives?
At the risk of being accused of carrying out original research, or worse, of turning this into a forum, and notwithstanding the translation issue mentioned above, I'd just like to raise the issue of whether the motto of the RAE uses verbs or adjectives. In short, an editor has postulated that the "correct" translation is "Clean, fixed, and casts splendour" (adjective + adjective + verb...), whereas there is no doubt in my mind that it should be "[it] cleans, sets, and casts splendour" (verb + verb + verb...), which has been the consensus to date (translation issues mentioned above notwithstanding).

The reference given to "prove" that we're dealing with adjectives is precisely the reference I was going to give to "prove" that they are verbs, but I finally refrained from doing so because, apart from being a primary source, it don't "prove" nothin' either way. So, just to set the ball rolling, mottos take many forms ("Fortune favors the bold", "Who dares wins", "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" or, to use well-known Spanish mottos, "Dios, Patria y Libertad" and "Una, Grande y Libre") but they need to follow some sort of elementary syntactical/grammatical pattern. BTW, it's true that in phrases like "Ready, steady, go!" the transition is adjective + adjective + verb, but there we ain't talking about a motto, are we?

Why should the guys (women were not admitted to that august body until 1979) who had obviously spent no small amount of time thinking up a motto for their learned institution dedicated to linguistic prescription go from adjective + adjective + verb when the logical/natural structure would seem to be be either adjective + adjective + adjective OR verb + verb + verb? They're obviously not exhorting anyone to do something: they're simply stating what their function is.

OK, so the bottom line is that "the RAE cleans, sets, and casts splendour" to the language, not that "the Spanish language is clean, set, and casts splendour". Q.E.D. --Technopat (talk) 00:05, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

PS. There is, of course, an even deeper bottom line which is that y'all come up with countless reliable sources, each offering different translations, and none of which will concur with Wikipedia's accepted version, thereby casting the shadow of a doubt over the whole issue of the reliability of what are considered reliable sources. Spanish sighs! --Technopat (talk) 00:05, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

 * Just for the record, I've never been too happy with the translation of the motto, but as I have unable to come up with a better suggestion, am willing to accept the consensus version as it stands. --Technopat (talk) 11:26, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Yep, those are in word to word order "adjetive, adjetive conjuntion verb adjetive"--201.189.148.157 (talk) 04:31, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

At some time before April 2021 the translation of the motto has been corrupted again, this time to "To clean, make certain, and give splendor", which is one of the worse versions so far. I'm changing it back to "Cleans, sets and shines". 81.37.92.190 (talk) 19:42, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Probably a translator I know would agree with you, because she is adamantly against transliterating, but I bring objection to the use of "shines" because in the motto in Spanish they didn't choose to use a single word as "shines" (transliterated as [lang:es] "brilla"), they chose to write "gives splendor" (transliterated as [lang:es] "da esplendor"). Why did they choose to use an obscure phrase instead of a single word? I don't know. So to try to also reflect such action of the original author of the motto, I chose to translate it as "gives splendor". Thinker78 (talk) 18:08, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thinker78 (talk) 01:28, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * "Clean, fix, and give splendor" "(The RAE) cleans, fixes and gives splendor" is perfectly correct, but with all due respect, it seems pointless to debate what the proper translation of the motto should be in English, since there is no single transcendently true translation. It seems in order to decide what it should not be, if that can be demonstrated.  Believing that the best translation may be a matter of taste, I can only offer at the moment the sentiments expressed in my edit summary: There are quite a few correct ways this could be translated, but the translation does not have to be so literal: a more elegant translation is "It purifies, it fixes, and it dignifies". I stand by that—as far as I know, the RAE itself does not give an official English translation. Carlstak (talk) 02:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * No, what you stated first is not perfectly correct, unless you are assuming it is "(They) clean, fix, and give splendor". But considering that the RAE is referring to itself, the correct form would be "(The RAE) cleans, fixes and gives splendor".--Thinker78 (talk) 00:05, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've struck that out and corrected it. I even had noticed my mistake previously, but got distracted and forgot to do so. I plead mental fatigue from general lack of sleep.;-) Carlstak (talk) 01:44, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Cast → bestow or confer
Following on from previous objections regarding a "better" translation of "da esplendor" (casts splendour), any objections to "bestow" or "confer"? These terms are pretty archaic, but so is the motto. --Technopat (talk) 17:16, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Prescriptive?
For me, this article makes the Academy sound quite prescriptive. How-ever, this quotation from the Director sounds otherwise: "'La Academia', recordó Salvador Gutiérrez, 'no dicta las normas, sino que estudia el lenguaje que se habla, recoge y expone;....'" (http://www.elmundo.es/cultura/2013/12/12/52a9d8fd63fd3d0c788b4576.html?a=e1017c79219ff622f70c967f089b38f1&t=1386869710&goback=.gde_660437_member_5817333889084985345#!). Kdammers (talk) 01:58, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The DPD is considered of prescrive nature as is stated in they works and other interviews. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.20.54.77 (talk) 05:30, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Any references on RAE's work actually being perceived as prescriptive rather than the self-declared "notarial" attitude? Right now I'm seeing a contradiction between the intro's position (prescriptive) and the "Fundamentals section" (notarial), and I'm about to make note of the later in the former while also keeping mention the former's position, but seeing no references supporting the prespictivist position and having no idea where to find them, I'm very tempted to add a "citation needed" in there. 213.94.18.239 (talk) 16:48, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I started on an expansion on this using the es article but stalled as busy elsewhere. I still plan to expand it.   scope_creep Talk  20:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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Its aristocratic founder described its aims as "to assure that Spanish speakers will always be able to read Cervantes" – by exercising a progressive up-to-date maintenance of the formal language.  scope_creep Talk  22:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

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