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WHL Canucks section
Why is there a separate page for the "WHL Vancouver Canucks" and why is there no mention of the Canucks founding in 1945 on the NHL page? This is the same franchise. When the Canucks moved to the NHL many players from the WHL team were included and even their WHL owner - Coley Hall - was involved with the NHL ownership group. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.199.44.55 (talk) 01:15, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The 1945 founding date is mentioned in the infobox, as well as in the early history section. As far as the WHL article goes, I believe the intention was to allow for much greater coverage of the pre-NHL days than would be possible if it was all mashed together. Resolute 05:13, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The NHL Canucks are not a continuation of the WHL franchise otherwise it's history would be recognized as the former WHA franchises are by the NHL. The connections are worthy being mentioned in the body of the article but not in the infobox.  That information should the limited to official league and club history to avoid confusion caused by editor's POV. I recommend the infobox be cleaned up to reflect official NHL history. Straykat99 (talk) 02:31, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

 * What "confusion" do you fancy there is? As with the Seals, the franchise was granted entry into the NHL.  As with the former WHA teams, its previous league records are neither credited nor honored by the NHL, and the team's franchise date - as far as the NHL is concerned - dates from its entry into the NHL.  Since this is Wikipedia, and not NHL.com, we are not bound to take the NHL's opinion for proven fact, nor are we bound to obey the NHL's version of history.   Ravenswing   04:29, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * There is, however, a discrepency in how we treat this. The Detroit Red Wings article lists a founding date of 1926 rather than 1911 (as the Victoria Cougars). In reassessing my opinion from two years ago, I think there is some merit to counting 1970 as the Canucks' founding date in the infobox while using the prose to explain the links to the WHL team of the same name. Resolute 15:44, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The Red Wings article doesn't represent a discrepancy at all. Despite the persistent, inaccurate but surprisingly unkillable rumor, the Red Wings franchise has no connection with the Victoria Cougars franchise. The Detroit owners purchased the right to the Cougars' players from the Patricks, and named their club after the famous team in their honor, and that's as far as it goes.  There was no continuity in city, no continuity in ownership, and no continuity to the franchise.   Ravenswing   21:11, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I've always viewed the Victoria --> Detroit angle as a relocation more than anything else, but your point is taken. Resolute 23:06, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Sorry IP-99, it looks like the '45ers aren't gonna budge. GoodDay (talk) 23:29, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Media - 7th Canuck
I think this section should be deleted. The banner ceremony only happened once, and the #7 banner was unceremoniously taken down from the rafters during the 2009 offseason. I don't see what it has to do with anything, as it is now a very insignificant part of Canucks team history, consisting of a single small ceremony before a game. As far as the organization is concerned, the idea was a failure and it has been abandoned. Chris Zimmerman, the man responsible for the idea, isn't even with the Canucks anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.118.74.23 (talk) 02:05, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Be bold! Feel free to remove it if you so choose. I would, however, ensure that the banner ceremony is noted in the proper season article, as it would be relevant to the season that it was raised.  Cheers! Resolute 02:13, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree, and have removed the section from the main article and placed it within the proper season article. I think The 7th Canuck banner is relevant only to the 2008-09 season and not Canucks history as a whole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.118.74.23 (talk) 16:25, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

NHL Honours
Why does this section get removed? This is good information that is included on other NHL teams' wiki pages. I see no reason why it should be removed, so whoever is removing it please explain yourself.
 * Bascially we have a standard section that deals with honours that is standard across all 30 teams. -DJSasso (talk) 16:02, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

 * IMNSHO, this information is better contained in its own article. Rather than a bare bones list that offers little context or value, it could be moved to List of Vancouver Canucks award winners, which could be expanded to offer greater information.  For comparison sake: Calgary Flames and List of Calgary Flames award winners, both of which are featured. Resolute 16:05, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Ted Lindsay Award
Under the awards section, it has recently been edited that Markus Naslund was the recipient of the recently re-named Ted Lindsay Award, which at the time of his win was named the Lester B. Pearson Award. I believe that it should remain as the Lester B. Pearson award on this page because that was the name of the award when Naslund won it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.15.106 (talk) 18:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Rogers Arena
When the stadium was built it was GM place. When talking about the history of the arena we cannot say that it was called "Rogers Arena" while it was being built, it is currently misleading. For example, if while the Hoover Dam was building built, an engineer referred to it as "The Hoover Dam" and it later changed names to The President Obama Dam, you couldn't go back and change the quote so that the engineer said "The President Obama Dam." Sorry this is the best example I could come up with. I am going to change this...

Two Questions
1) Should we use this table to show the retirees?

2) Should we make a different page for the Ring of Honour?

Waseemg 20:55, 18 October 2010  (UTC)
 * No to both accounts, the retired numbers list is standard across every team. The Ring of Honour if it belongs anywhere, which I am not sure it does, would belong on the Vancouver Canucks award winners page. Which I am not sure that it has been created yet for the Canucks. An example is List of Calgary Flames award winners. -DJSasso (talk) 11:51, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ooh, I like that page. I think I'll clone it for the Bruins and merge the team award articles I created into it.   Ravenswing  14:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes its one of Resolute's many nice featured pages. -DJSasso (talk) 18:08, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm actually not opposed to such a table, but I'd probably add the years the player was with the team for context. But yeah, if we wanted to go that route, it would be nice to discuss it at WT:HOCKEY and decide if we go for all teams.  And, appreciate the compliments on the Flames award list. Resolute 18:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The table is nice looking, but it would be colour for the sake of decoration, which is a no-no. And for Vancouver atleast this particular table would be unreadable by anyone with colour blindness because its green and blue. Personally my favourite was the "banners" we used to have on the Montreal Canadiens page many years ago. However, they were removed for the decoration issue. -DJSasso (talk) 18:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I would pretty much insist on a white background for them all for that reason. I was contemplating how it would look on the Flames article, and thought that the colour and table could break a text wall nicely, depending on how it was implemented.  Alternatively, a table like what is done at History of the Montreal Canadiens would work. Resolute 18:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

1981-82 Smythe Division Champions
Anyone who's been to Rogers Arena might notice there is a banner hanging in the rafters for the 1981-82 Smythe Division Champions. This currently isn't reflected in the "Division Championships" section of the page because it wasn't a regular season division championship, but because the NHL used a different format for the playoffs that year, the Canucks were actually the 1981-82 Smythe Division Champions in the PLAYOFFS (Edmonton were the division champs during the regular season). How should this be reflected in the division championships section? (I think it should be, because technically it was a division championship and there is a banner hanging in Rogers Arena for it).24.69.65.132 (talk) 17:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, it should be changed, imo. For most teams between 81-82 and 92-93, the division championship was won in the playoffs, not the regular season.  The Oilers do not recognize 81-82 as a season in which they won the Smythe.  Likewise, they do not recognize 85-86 as a division win, nor do the Flames recognize 87-88.  It becomes confusing because prior to 81-82, the division and conference championships were won in the regular season due to the playoff format being division and conference independent.  After 93-94, the divison returned to being a regular season achievement when the new conference playoff format was added.  Per that standard, I'm adding 81-82 to the Canucks article and removing it from the Oilers. Resolute 18:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Now that I think about it, I've removed the 91-92 and 92-93 titles from the infobox on the same reasoning. Resolute 18:07, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Removal of bracketed statement about Vancouver and Buffalo becoming the 13th and 14th teams to join.
I removed that small statement because it was inaccurate. They Canucks and Sabres became the 13th and 14th teams in the league at the time of joining the league in 1970. Given the large number of defunct teams before the 'Original 6' era, the Sabres and Canucks were not the 13th and 14th to join from the NHL's inception as was implied. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Helmut Hedd (talk • contribs) 00:28, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Injuries on the Roster
I noticed that eight Canucks have this next to their name. According to, only Hamhuis and Samuelsson are injured. Also, as a diehard 'Nucks fan, I have heard nothing about the other six who are supposedly injured. Does anyone have a source to back these up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmfriesen (talk • contribs) 23:01, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't have sources handy but certainly alot of them are definitely injured. Raymond for example broke his back and is out until at least Christmas. That being said it doesn't really matter since the season is done. All of the injury flags should probably be removed. There is not disabled list in the summer. I am betting your link just hasn't been updated since there is no DL in the summer. -DJSasso (talk) 23:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oooh, I forgot about Raymond. That's embarrassing. Anyways, I think only the ones that aren't confirmed should be removed, and I noticed Kesler doesn't have the symbol, even though he played in the Final with a lower body injury. Jmfriesen (talk) 00:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and removed the symbol from all of the player except Raymond per DJSasso's comments. Raymond should be the only one out by the start of next season and if I'm wrong the symbol can be added back at that time. here is an article mentioning most of the players who were listed as injured.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 12:48, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fhsig13 (talk • contribs) 08:14, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Canucks Jerseys season by season
I notice that Jerseys change every year and that the current ones get uploaded to wikipedia but once a jersey isn't used anymore, it doesn't seem to be on wikipedia anymore. I was looking through the BC Lions page and they have their current Jerseys on the main page like every other sports team. One interesting note with them if you search through their individual seasons such as their 1994 BC Lions season, they have the Jerseys that they wore that year on that page. My suggestion is that we do that for the Canucks season by season pages so the pages can be more insightful about what Jerseys that wore each year. Secondcube (talk) 23:25, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello! I added a homemade table to the Canucks page, detailing their jerseys for every season, plus I included the Millionaires/Heritage Classic Alternate Jersey.Fhsig13 (talk) 04:08, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * That is pretty clearly copied from NHLUniforms.com, which is copyrighted both by the owner of the website and the respective teams, the Canucks in this case. If you can prove you are indeed Andrew M. Greenstein, the creator of the website, then that should be made apparent in the image description. If not, it can't stay up here. Kaiser matias (talk) 04:15, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm not the owner of that site, and we already have every last one of those Canucks logos on the page, so if you are correct, the entire Canucks Wikipedia site would be in violation. If I need permission from owner (which I shouldn't since I changed the images and created my own master image, this is according to Wikipedia's rules) I will, obtain it. Otherwise, please tag an Admin and allow them to decide this case's fate. Thank you. Fhsig13 (talk) 20:25, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey all, I'd like to reopen the dialog on this issue, if I may. @DJSasso could I get your point of view (as an admin) on this, please? Is it a violation of Wikipedia rules? I think not, but I'd like to be sure. I'll add the image here for context. I've also re-added it to the article for the time being (with rights released this time), for the time being
 * as no one voiced an objection. Fhsig13 (talk) 08:01, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

 * You only gave others a few hours to object, some editors only check a couple times a day. I for one, upon looking at the addition on my computer, the image takes up most of the screen and completely breaks up the format of the page. I can only imagine what it would do on mobile. I am not sure this is really necessary as wikipedia does not need every detail on everything ever, it should simply be a summary. There are other sites dedicated to this sort of thing and I am not sure a giant image is really helpful to a reader. (Especially if we have to make it really small to fit on the screen, then you can't see any of the details; or really large to see the details and not fit on the screen). And even though it is one image, does this not also violate the fair-use clause of WP:GALLERY with the use of multiple logos? Yosemiter (talk) 18:36, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

@Yosemiter I don't see any violations there, and can make the image smaller, that's no issue. Just let me know what size you think would be best. Fhsig13 (talk) 18:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I am saying that the size will be an issue no matter what, so I don't know what's best. I choose to let others decide. For those who would like to see how the page looks with the image with sorting through the edit history: here is the page. (Also as stated before, give this some time. Some of us have lives and only check occasionally, especially on the weekends.) Yosemiter (talk) 18:52, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

I apologize. Take all the time you folks need. I only added the image so it could be viewed in respect to the page. Fhsig13 (talk) 18:55, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

 * I've deleted the image. It is a CLEAR copyright violation from http://www.nhluniforms.com/Canucks/Canucks.html.  Simply taking the images and making one bigger image out of them does not excuse copyright.  only (talk) 22:39, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

@only May I ask how not only making the larger image but modifying it as well is a violation? And it's all images of logos we already use on this page, so I don't understand you deleting it? Fhsig13 (talk) 23:26, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * it’s a derivative work. What you’ve done is taken someone else’s copyrighted work and modified it. That person’s copyright still applies, even if you have modified it. If this was something you made wholly on your own it’d be fine. However, you used someone else’s work to create your own image so that’s a violation. The other images are being used under fair use policies. Yours would not fall under that policy. only (talk) 23:44, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Retired numbers
Wayne Maki - The Canucks unofficially retired his Number 11 jersey until Mark Messier, who had worn Number 11 with the Edmonton Oilers and New York Rangers, joined the team. Buffalkill (talk) 13:13, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * This is already mentioned in both the Canucks' and Maki's articles.   Ravenswing   11:23, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Is the number 38 really unofficially retired? The article says it was pulled from circulation after Demitra's death in 2011, but Victor Oreskovich wore it for one game during the 2011–12 season and Derek Joslin wore it for two games during the 2012–13 season according to hockey-reference. According to this article, Oreskovich said he would have no problem changing his number if the team asked him to, but he ended up wearing it that season. --Parkfly20 (talk) 11:25, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed. There is no citation regarding that, so unless there is something proving that those numbers are thus honoured, I'll take it down within a few days. Kaiser matias (talk) 12:50, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

 * I also could find no references for the number's retirement (except a blog, but it seemed written in such a way that it was referencing this page). However, re-added it back when it was removed in March stating, "The number has been taken out of circulation, it's stated on a board at Rogers Arena" in the edit summary. I am not positive, but it seems like since there has never been any number retirement announcement, it might just be his name and number were raised as a memorial due to his tragic death. Meaning, maybe the man himself is what is being honoured, not the number. Yosemiter (talk) 13:24, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * To preempt a discussion, I removed the names and numbers a few hours ago, and had that reverted, with a source at least, with a summary questioning my motives. However as that source only mention's Maki and #11, the others have once again been removed, and until something substantial can prove they are out of circulation, they should be. Don't let this be interpreted as me being against their inclusion though, or unfamiliar with either the team or the article; I support noting them on the page, however they need to be backed up, and there is currently no evidence to prove that they are. That said, I noted here a week ago that unless a source was found I'd remove them, so it shouldn't come as a surprise. Kaiser matias (talk) 10:59, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

 * Here is a source showing that #28 (Bourdon) and #37 (Rypien) are out of circulation: http://www3.telus.net/dmarchak/cannumb.htm. I re-added them to the list as well.Fhsig13 (talk) 23:27, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I have no horse in this race, but is that a reliable source? It reads like it could have been taken from wikipedia. (Also since the claim for removal has been as "unsourced", you probably should have made it an inline citation.) The source you are pointing out also never says it was taken "out of circulation", just that it has not been used. Is there a source that come from the team or a player being told they could not use those numbers? Yosemiter (talk) 01:01, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

 * I have emailed the Canucks fan services email, asking for verification of the numbers, and I await a response. (I asked about 11, 28, 37, & 38, as well as if there are any others we didn't know about. I also re-added Demitra to the list for the time being and updated the info surrounding who wore number 11 after Wayne Maki, as the source I stated above shows that Chris Oddleifson wore it for two seasons, from 1974-1976. Fhsig13 (talk) 18:48, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Move sub-section 2013-present: John Tortorella era to Head coaches section
The section titled 2013-present: John Tortorella era should probably go under 7. Head coaches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buffalkill (talk • contribs) 01:53, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The section is about the team from 2013 through present time. Head coaches is a list of Canucks head coaches.  Gloss •  talk  02:24, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

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Brian Burke was fired.
Brian Burke was replaced by Dave Nonis on May 6th 2004. Burke's contract was set to expire June 2004. Burke immediately after he was replaced by Nonis started working for the CBC. He could not do that unless he was no longer under contract to the Vancouver Canucks. Therefore, by the truest definition, he was fired. The "non renewed" was simply being polite. He was replaced before his contract was over, he started working for the CBC before his contract was over. If he was "still under contract", he would have been sued for breach R-Boy8 (talk) 20:20, 3 December 2020 (UTC)R-boy8
 * The team can give permission for him to work for CBC without it being a firing, teams often give permission to work for other teams or television if they are no longer actively working for the team because they were replaced. -DJSasso (talk) 13:16, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Change Jim Rutherford era to Patrik Allvin era?
Hello! The History section currently lists the team's eras by General Manager, but the current era is titled by the current President of hockey operations Jim Rutherford, not the current GM Patrik Allvin. The previous "era", currently titled the 'Jim Benning era' had Trevor Linden serving of President of Hockey ops but is titled under the name of the GM. Basically what I'm trying to say is shouldn't the current era be called the Patrik Allvin era rather than the Jim Rutherford era to reflect continuity in the era naming styles?

Interested to hear what others think, and sorry if this matter has already been settled else where. Thank you, Oangie (talk) 23:00, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

 * I concur, I think this was just there while we were waiting for the official new GM. I think (really I should know, I'm a Penguins fan) that Allvin was hired after Rutherford, so it was meant to be temporary. Now that Allvin is running the office I think it makes sense to change it.  danny music editor  oops 23:15, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

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Box office returns?
How much did this film gross overall (until now 12/2006)?

LGBT film?
Is this really considered an "LGBT" film? Homosexuality is shown fleetingly, yes, but does that mean any film with any depiction of homosexuality is considered "LGBT?" --Feitclub 02:39, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * Indeed - this is a movie about sex in its many permutations, not really an "LGBT" movie. At least, no more than the Bible is an "LGBT" book. I don't have any problem with people checking it out because they think it might have that content, but it's not an accurate descriptionRachel612 05:41, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * So it's LGBT-related. Jim Michael (talk) 23:57, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I think that's a bit of a stretch. There's no social commentary on such, it has very little to do with the overall plot, it's never mentioned prior or subsequent to the one scene in which it appears (to the best of my recollection). Anyone checking out this film hoping for any significant LGBT material is going to be sorely disappointed. DonIago (talk) 16:50, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with . It certainly fails WP:CATDEF as it is not a "defining characteristic" of this film. MarnetteD|Talk 18:15, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Plot overhaul
Reading through the plot, none of it really seems coherent when compared to the film. It'll be hard to make the section better, because the plot of the film itself is rather complicating to put into words, but the section really needs to be rewritten. Most of it only covers the downfall that occurs with the characters during the 1980s sequence and it doesn't even mention the homicides and suicides of William H. Macy's character, Little Bill (which is a pivotal turning point of the film) or Brock Landers, the character series that almost creates a revolution in the porn industry by taking it nearer the heights of legitimate film. Basically, this needs to be organized a little better. The sections in the film are more or less like this:

 * 1) Introductions - This is the first hour of the film. It details each characters introduction to the audience as Dirk familiarizes himself to the members of the porn industry.
 * 2) 1978: Brock Landers and Chest Rockwell - After making a series of successful, award-winning adult films, Dirk and Reed approach Jack about the Brock Landers idea: a series of pornography films following the adventures of a James Bond-esque detective. The first film is such a successful exerience that Jack remarks that it's the film he wants to be remembered for. The reputations of Jack, the cast and crew and, especially Dirk, skyrocket within the industry. However, as the 1980s near, the porn medium begins to change for the worse, with word of home video taking over film. This dark downfall is marked especially by the suicide of Little Bill at the New Year's Eve party after murdering his wife.
 * 3) 80s - The characters of Jack's family begin to slowly go separate ways. Though Jack tries to continue to make movies with film, he eventually gives in and starts making porn videos. The quality of his films diminish. Many porn stars try to leave the industry, but find that the outside world will not accept them (Buck's loan/Amber seeking custody). Many characters become more dependent on cocaine (Amber/Dirk). As Dirk becomes less confident in his ability to perform on camera, he succumbs to his ego during a fight with Jack and leaves his care to persue an unsuccessful recording career. Most of what follows is already in the article (Rollergirl and Jack's failed reality experiment, the assault on Dirk, the bloody donut shop robbery Buck is involved in, etc.)
 * 4) Tuesday Morning, September, 1983 - This was a title card for Amber's scene and what comes after. (So the "80s" section would be split in two).
 * 5) Long Way Down (One Last Thing) - This is the failed theft Dirk, Reed and Todd attempt with Rahad Jackson. It ends with Dirk finding himself back at Jack's house. After the incredible dark turn the 80s sequence features, many of the characters try and repair their broken lives by joining back together as a family. Jack, Amber, Rollergirl, Buck, Jesse and Luiz are all seen in Jack's house. The final scene features Dirk, still disillusioned that he is Brock Landers (even though he isn't even Dirk -- he's Eddie Adams).

I'm not sure if I'm writing this more for myself as an eventual reminder to just get off of my ass and try and fix it myself, but if anyone would like to start changing things, be my guest. This film is just one of the most important movies of the late 90s independent film movement and I think it deserves a well-written article.

Pele Merengue 07:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I think the following sentence needs to be moved to later in the section as where it currently sits gives the character Little Bill undue weight.

"Assistant director Little Bill (William H. Macy) is married to a blonde porn star (Nina Hartley) who frequently embarrasses him by having sex with other men in public and off-camera. At a New Year's Eve party at Jack's house marking the year 1980, he shoots and kills her and her lover and then turns the gun on himself in front of the guests." Master z0b (talk) 02:50, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Infobox
I've never seen this movie (so I can't do it) but the starring list in the infobox needs to be trimmed down. It should only have the stars...not every actor. I guess I just find it hard to believe that 12 people starred in this movie... Cburnett 19:07, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * PT Anderson's films are like that. 12 people really did star in this movie. Dario 03:22, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed - there are multiple plot lines through the movie, so although Mark Wahlberg probably gets more screen time, there are large chunks of the movie devoted to Cheadle, Reynolds, Moore and others.Rachel612 05:41, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Ensemble cast

Coke vs. meth
My viewing leads me to believe that "Dirk Diggler" became addicted to coke, but "Eddie", while he was down on his luck, did meth during one scene with his gang before engaging in crime. Does anyone have an evidence for one or the other? If not, we can just change that sentence to "drugs", as he was clearly addicted to something. --TreyHarris 20:27, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Original script says Eddie and the Gang do coke... only mention of other drugs is what is at Rahad Jackson's place.--Jamott 22:13, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

-- According to the dialogue and 'drug talk', it appears that it is indeed meth that Eddie is addicted to, or at least that is what they do before the heist. (unsigned comment)

The original drug of choice is coke; later in the film it becomes crystal meth. 209.247.22.166 (talk) 14:17, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Dirk's manhood
That's soooo obviously a prosthetic at the end. He would put the real thing back in his pants a lot more carefully regardless of size. Believe me, I know. Augurr 20:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Avoiding jokes about how you could possible know, if there's going to be mention of the prosthetic there should also be a mention that it was based on casting taken from porn actor Ron Jeremy. I can't remember if it is mentioned in the commentary or not.  RoyBatty42 19:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The credit for penis double needs to be removed, it's a BS gag from a previous editor. From IMDB trivia on boogie nights: ''Mark Wahlberg did keep a souvenir from the film, the infamous fake penis used in the final shot of the film. It was made from an easily biodegradable rubber and foam combination which, according to Wahlberg, has since already begun to deteriorate.'' Phenix2099 (talk) 08:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Laserdisc vs DVD
There are no mentions of the April 8, 1998 laserdisc (or VHS) releases, one was a regular and the other was a Criterion Collection one which is where many of the features of the DVD came from (including the artwork). RoyBatty42 19:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I just added a brief mention of this release. If anyone has more info regarding its release (namely the release date), please add it. --Undertow87 16:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Macy murder/suicide?
Are the three deaths (by WH Macy, at the New Year party) shown unambiguously - as opposed to the sound of gun shot(s)? I don't have the movie but I recall some ambiguity left over from that scene. elpincha 15:14, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

 * No ambiguity. You see Macy walk into the bedroom and point the gun at his wife and her lover who were off-camera but you see the shadow of his wife react to his gun firing on them. Azn Clayjar (talk) 06:35, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

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 * The night club scenes were filmed at The Country Club located in Reseda, California.
 * Samuel L. Jackson (who had worked with Anderson previously in Hard Eight) was Anderson's first choice to play the role of Buck Swope. However, according to Anderson, Jackson said he "didn't get it." Don Cheadle was cast instead. Among the actors circling around the Jack Horner role were Warren Beatty and Sydney Pollack, who both turned the film down. Upon seeing the film at its premiere, Pollack regretted turning down the part and cited that he didn't understand it when he read the script, until he saw the finished film. Julianne Moore had similar concerns about the material, but signed on to play Amber Waves after reading the script and finding it to be wonderfully written.
 * The events in the film take place between 1977 and 1984.
 * A much talked-about scene occurs at the end of the film when Dirk Diggler reveals his huge, flaccid penis while speaking to himself in the mirror. For years afterward, star Mark Wahlberg has been asked if that is his actual penis. It is a prosthetic.
 * The song "The Touch" sung by Mark Wahlberg's character when he tries to become a singing star was originally created for the 1986 Transformers movie. It was performed by Stan Bush. When The Transformers: The Movie was released on DVD there is even mention of this in an interview with the film's composer, Vince DiCola; where he states he was very surprised that it was used in another movie. He even called Stan Bush to let him know about it.
 * Donnie Wahlberg, Mark's brother, said that Mark's singing in the movie was terrible and added..."and that's the best he's ever sounded!"
 * The opening scene is nearly three minutes long without a cut, and shows most of the characters in the film, ending with a shot of young Eddie Adams (the future Dirk Diggler). At the end of the movie, there is a similar long scene without a cut showing most of the characters, right before the last scene with Dirk in his dressing room. Another long, single take sequence that fleshes out many characters takes place during the first party upon Eddie's arrival to porn as the future Dirk Diggler. The moment where the camera pulls into the pool was inspired by the film I Am Cuba.
 * Both the firecrackers during the Rahad Jackson scene and Buck Swope's name are references to the 1969 Robert Downey Sr. film Putney Swope, one of P.T. Anderson's favorite films. Robert Downey Sr. even appears in the film as the recording studio manager, and is singled out as "a prince" in the end credits.
 * Burt Reynolds reportedly did his first day's work as Jack Horner using an Irish accent, but was back to his normal voice by the second day. He was so upset after seeing the film for the first time that he fired his agent, only to rehire him again after getting an Oscar nomination and the best reviews of his career for his work.
 * There is an image of Elliott Gould that appears three times in the film (one of them is on the wall of the porno set during Maurice's big scene).
 * The group Heatwave refused to allow their song "Boogie Nights" to be used in this film because the song was not about pornography.
 * On the DVD, there is an option to view color bars. Doing so reveals an Easter egg. The color bars fade after a few seconds and reveal a gag take of Bob Ridgley presenting an award as the Colonel James and test footage of Mark Wahlberg wearing the prosthetic penis.
 * Ron Jeremy was a consultant for the movie (revealed this in interview on 2/13/07 KISSFM Milwaukee).
 * Ron Jeremy also mentions his work on this movie in his autobiography, The Hardest (Working) Man in Showbiz. Dick Kimball (talk) 18:10, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

While this is interesting, we can't use it unless you provide a source. Also, none of this is really trivia, as trivia by its definition is "unimportant information" - it therefore shouldn't be in a trivia section but instead the information should be incorporated into the main article. - Tbsdy lives (talk) 10:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC) Looks like the person took this directly from the trivia section of Boogie Nights at IMDB.com. I wonder if IMDB.com really is reliable as a source as IMDB also has user generated content like wikipedia. It is trivia as all this is really unimportant because you really don't need to know about any of it when watching the movie. Azn Clayjar (talk) 06:42, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * WWE Superstar Dolph Ziggler's gimmick is loosely based on Dirk Diggler.
 * American singer/songwriter Tori Amos wrote a song called Amber Waves, which focuses on its theme of pornography. It appears on her album Scarlets Walk.

 * at least 3 "active" actors (2 male, 1 female) of the porn business appear in small roles (may be uncredited) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.221.81.219 (talk) 17:38, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Deleted scene
There are ten deleted scenes included in the DVD release of the film. Why is the one discussed in this article singled out? Why is there no mention and/or description of the other nine? Shouldn't the article refer to all of them or none at all? It seems rather subjective to select one and describe it in length and ignore the rest of them. 209.247.22.166 (talk) 14:27, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Eddie & prostitution
I haven't watched this for a while, but I'm pretty sure that early on Eddie mistakes Jack's approach as him being a punter, and give him a price list - surely this qualifies as prostitution, ergo Eddie is indeed a male prostitute at the beginning of the film. IIRC this happens in the kitchen after Eddie is emptying a glasswasher, or some kind of similar machine. a_man_alone (talk) 16:08, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * This certainly happens. Eddie quotes Jack one price to see him masturbate and another to just look at it. This is apparently a regular occurence for Eddie. Format (talk) 18:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

 * I thought it did. I'll reword the plot summary.   a_man_alone (talk) 20:47, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

John Holmes connection?
I think I've heard that Dirk Diggler is based on John Holmes. If it's true, should it be mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.122.45.199 (talk) 17:18, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure Holmes was a partial inspiration for the character, though I wouldn't go so far as to say "based on". That said, we can't include the information unless it comes from a reliable source. That said, I'm about 90%+ sure the DVD commentaries mention the connection. Doniago (talk) 18:33, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * There's no question that it's inspired by John Holmes: the penis size, the Johnny Wad-ish character, the drug addiction, gay prostitution, and the almost-but-not-quite Wonderland Murders are all from Holmes' life. The connection is mentioned in both the John Holmes and Wonderland Murders articles.  The Holmes article has no citation (presumably because it's so obvious), while the WM article uses this.  Just about every movie review mentions it, if those are considered reliable sources.Prebys (talk) 16:55, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

 * I think that we should have a section on inspirations for the film, as there are a good many known elements of pornography and the adult film stars that were drawn upon for the movie but no actual section for them. Most of them are recorded in some place, such as the On the Prowl/Gillis inspiration. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   15:54, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

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Johannes "Jan" Kip (1652/53 in Amsterdam – 1722 in Westminster) was a Dutch draftsman, engraver and print dealer. Together with Leonard Knyff, he made a speciality of engraved views of English country houses.

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Kip was a pupil of Bastiaen Stopendaal (1636–1707), from 1668 to 1670, before setting up on his own; his earliest dated engravings are from 1672. In April 1680, at the age of 27, he married Elisabeth Breda in Amsterdam. After producing works for the court of William of Orange in Amsterdam, Kip followed William and Mary to London and settled in St. John Street in Farringdon, where he conducted a thriving printselling business. He also worked for various London publishers producing engravings after such artists as Francis Barlow (c. 1626–1704) and Caius Gabriel Cibber (1630–1700), largely for book illustrations. He made several engraved plates for Awnsham & John Churchill's A Collection of Voyages & Travels (first published 1704). He signed the African scenes in volume V of the 1732 edition as "J. Kip".

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The linked careers of Jan Kip and Leonard Knyff made a specialty of engraved views of English country houses, represented in detail from the bird's-eye view, a pictorial convention for topography. Their major work was Britannia Illustrata: Or Views of Several of the Queens Palaces, as Also of the Principal seats of the Nobility and Gentry of Great Britain, Curiously Engraven on 80 Copper Plates, London (1707, published in the winter of 1708–9). The volume is among the most important English topographical publications of the 18th century. Architecture is rendered with care, and the settings of parterres and radiating avenues driven through woods or planted across fields, garden paths, gates and toolsheds are illustrated in detail. The images are staffed with figures and horses, coaches pulling into forecourts, water-craft on rivers, in line with the traditions of the Low Countries. Some of the plates are in the Siennese "map perspective".

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Dinosaur Planet (novel)

Dinosaur Planet is a science fiction novel by the American-Irish author Anne McCaffrey. It was a paperback original published in 1978, by Orbit Books (UK) and then by Del Rey Books (US), the fantasy & science fiction imprints of Futura Publications and Ballantine Books respectively.

A sequel followed in 1984, titled The Survivors (Dinosaur Planet II), or Dinosaur Planet Survivors in the US. Jointly they are sometimes called the "Dinosaur Planet series" or sub-series. They are set on a fictional planet named "Ireta" that some characters call the "dinosaur planet". They became the first two books of the "Ireta series" in 1990, when McCaffrey collaborated with Elizabeth Moon and Jody Lynn Nye to write three "Planet Pirates" novels with the same setting.

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McCaffrey had emigrated to Ireland in 1970, with the second Dragonriders of Pern book near completion and a contract for the third. That work stalled after she finished Dragonquest (the second) but the market for children and young adults eventually provided crucial opportunities. Futura Publications (London) signed her to write books about dinosaurs for children, published by its imprint Orbit Books.

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A survey team visits fictional planet Ireta to survey its mineral wealth. Several anomalies are discovered, including some decidedly large animals that resemble prehistoric beings from Earth's history and legend. Before all can be explained, the Heavyworlder "muscle people" mutiny after gaining a taste for flesh and blood.

The Death of Sleep is a prequel to this book, and the fourth section delivers the characters to Ireta, intersecting some of the same plot points.

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 * The Survivors (Dinosaur Planet II), or Dinosaur Planet Survivors (1984)
 * Sassinak (March 1990), Anne McCaffrey and Elizabeth Moon
 * The Death of Sleep (June 1990), Anne McCaffrey and Jody Lynn Nye
 * Generation Warriors (1991), Anne McCaffrey and Elizabeth Moon

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Talk:Jack Black (author)

Death
"He died during the Great Depression due to a drowning, widely believed to be a suicide." Really? The afterword to the Nabat books edition of 'You Can't Win' says that he simply disappeared in 1932, and that he had previously said that he would drown himself 'if life got too grim'. Is there any proof that he drowned or is the article here stating hypothesis as fact?

First off, sign your posts with four tildes (~). About the addition: it says "was widely believed", which means alot of people assume he drowned himself, including his contemporary publishers. it doesnt state fact. VanTucky 16:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but it says "widely believed to be a suicide," not "It was widely believed that he died during the Great Depression due to a drowning." It's not the same thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.181.61 (talk) 01:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Expansion
Wow. This really needs to be expanded. Definitely discuss Burrough's shallow interpretation of the book's criminal subculture.--Mcgregorj 02:42, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I definitely agree that this article needs expansion, and dramatically. For instance, there is no mention of the Johnson Family, the fraternity of "good bums and thieves" of which Black was a member.  But, Mcgregorj, if you know something about Burroughs's "shallow interpretation" of the book, and have documentation of same, please write about it. ---Charles 02:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Late 19th century?
Should this read turn of the 20th Century? Looking into this, it seems that You Can't Win is more about the early 20th century than the late 19th, although I haven't read it. --Golden Eternity

 * The book covers the essential period from the 1890's to WWI, during, and immediately after, the closing of the frontier. So, yes, late 19th century is accurate. ---Charles 02:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Misc.
Having read the book myself, I don't think even he considered himself an "honorable" outlaw, and calling him that reads like an opinion.

I also recall reading in the book that his first name was "John," if it's of any interest.

Yes it does and because of this I've always assumed his name was John Black (Jack being a common substitute for John). 202.138.213.90 (talk) 04:37, 21 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.138.213.90 (talk) 04:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I seem to remember a passage where he talked about how despite his criminal activities, he had a strict code of ethics. sounds like an "honorable outlaw" to me. what he concluded at the end of the book was that you cant ever "win" as a yegg. VanTucky 17:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

This page gives his birth year as 1881 however in "You Can't Win" he reads of Jesse James' death that had just occured in a newspaper while at boarding school. According to another page James died in 1882. He seems to be about 10 years old so his birth year would more likely be around 1872.202.138.213.90 (talk) 04:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Links to add and utilize to improve this entry
(This section is for citation and info links that will sometime be added to and into this entry. Feel free to contribute if you wish)
 * http://www.compulsivereader.com/html/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1775
 * http://www.madprofessor.net/2004/03/you_cant_win.html
 * http://wholeearth.com/issue/102/book-review/142/you.can't.win
 * http://lahosken.san-francisco.ca.us/new/2008/08/book-report-you-cant-win.html
 * http://bad.eserver.org/reviews/2001/2001-4-12-11.44AM.html
 * http://www.harpers.org/archive/1929/06/0013929
 * http://www.myspace.com/saltchunkmary Rimbaud 2 (talk) 20:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.blog.wickedlemons.com/?p=883 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dominic R. (talk • contribs) 07:01, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Notes from contributor Mose
Hello, Mose Crowfield, from Amsterdam here, I added some stuff, dont know if it looks all right, but it should make some sense, at least I didn't make it up myself in a pipedream. I've been researching Black for 10+ years now, did that myspace page a few years ago... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.37.210.210 (talk • contribs) 2012-01-31T15:19:58

You Can't Win
YCW is being made into a film by Charles Mudede with Michael Pitt as Black. http://blog.thenewstribune.com/getout/2012/05/01/indy-film-shooting-in-tacoma-stars-michael-pitt-of-hbos-boardwalk-empire/ Murderbike (talk) 03:12, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

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User talk:Jameth

Your blanking of the Mediacrat page was inappropriate and in violation of standard deletion procedure. Also note that blanking a page is not equivalent to deleting it. The page should remain listed on Votes for Deletion and retain its current state until its deletion is processed. -Fennec (はさばくのきつね) 02:43, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * lol

Mediacrat
I noticed that you attempted to salvage the article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mediacrat it is sad that the information was not possible to preserve. Tyciol (talk) 08:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:List of leaders of the Official Opposition (Canada)

Edward Blake
Edward Blake was recognized as leader of the opposition from sometime in 1869 - 1871

Get Rid of the Numbers
It's extremely confusing just looking at this list without having to see numbers beside the names. Just get rid of the numbers as it is going to be debated whether the acting Opposition Leaders should be counted.

I think we should have the numbers, just like how we number the Prime Ministers. I do, however think that we have to come to a consensus on who gets to be numbered. Can someone tell me why acting leaders are not counted, yet interim ones are? I think either they both should be or they both shouldn't be unless this numbering is in some way official. -arctic gnome 04:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

 * The government's history website lists acting leaders the same way they list intrem leaders, so I'm changing it here. -arctic gnome 06:57, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

There is actually no such thing as an "interim leader of the opposition". Interim Leaders of parties in opposition normally are leader of the opposition, but the House does not recognize a difference between a permanent leader of a party serving as leader of the opposition, an interim leader acting as such or even a parliamentary leader acting as such. Acting leader's of the opposition do not count however as there is an actual office holder of the opposition leader at that time who simply cannot exercise his or her duties. For instance, Sheila Copps was acting leader of the opposition in 1991 when Chretien had health problems. - Jord 00:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Source
Can anyone give a good source for this information? The best I can find is the Library of Parliament, but it only goes back to 1957. --Arctic Gnome 15:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Interim Leader of the Opposition??
There's no such thing. An interim party leader serves as leader of the opposition, as much as a party leader. GoodDay (talk) 22:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * True, though I think the fact that they were interim or acting party leaders is relevant. The interim and acting statuses should be moved from the numbering column to a "notes" column.  --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 23:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And the numbering column should be re-numbered. GoodDay (talk) 00:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Also, someone serving in place of a party leader who has no seat in the House of Commons, is also a Leader of the Opposition. GoodDay (talk) 00:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Interims and numbers
Why are McKenzie, Hanson, Duceppe, Grey, Hill, and Graham listed as interim leader, but Ignatieff isn't? 117Avenue (talk) 20:01, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * They shouldn't be, they were Leaders of the Opposition. See Graham bio article's infobox, for example. GoodDay (talk) 20:03, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Are there any sources which refer to a Leader of the Opposition by their number, like the Prime Minister? 117Avenue (talk) 22:57, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. GoodDay (talk) 01:35, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Has there been no opposition (no pun intended) to the changes I have made? Then I would like to propose removing the unreferenced information, and add a column to show the terms of PMs. 117Avenue (talk) 06:16, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Since there's been no comments on this, I've gone ahead. 117Avenue (talk) 01:15, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Date of start of Nycole Turmel's mandate
Shouldn't Nycole Turmel's mandate as leader of the opposition start at the date where she was appointed (July 25th, 2011) instead of the date of his death, as she had assumed this position as of that date? Luckystrikes (talk) 19:16, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No. Layton was still leader of the party and Leader of the Opposition after her appointment as interim leader. She only became Leader of the Opposition on his death. -Rrius (talk) 20:19, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Why do we have her becoming OL on August 23? Layton died on August 22. These 'midnight' change dates are annoying. GoodDay (talk) 05:34, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Trudeau's term
The line beginning Trudeau's prime ministership needs to be higher, so that it includes Stanfield as opposition leader. I don't know how to do this.

I assume Mulcair will be added now? 206.116.243.76 (talk) 17:48, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Wow, that was fast. Seconds after my comment about Mulcair, he's on the page! Wikimpressive! 206.116.243.76 (talk) 17:50, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

 * Stanfield's row does include Pearson and Trudeau. According to the timestamps, Mulcair was added to the list 16 hours before your comment, and to the lead 2 hours after that. 117Avenue (talk) 03:07, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Female leaders of the opposition
It wrongly listed Deborah Grey as the first of two, she was the first of three (followed by Nycole Turmel of the NDP and Rona Ambrose of the Conservative Party, both interim leaders of their respective parties). Chris-Gilmore77 (talk) 11:52, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

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Midday (Canadian TV program)

Midday is a newsmagazine television program broadcast on CBC Television, which ran from January 7, 1985 to June 30, 2000, replacing local noon-hour newscasts on CBC stations. The program, which aired from noon to 1 p.m. on weekday afternoons, presented a mix of news, lifestyle and entertainment features.

Overview
Its original hosts were Bill Cameron, Keith Morrison and Valerie Pringle; Pringle hosted consistently while Cameron and Morrison alternated as her co-anchor, as both were also contributors to the CBC's nightly news program The Journal. Dave Hodge was also auditioned as a potential host of the program.

The program would open with a 10-minute CBC News summary, usually read by Sheldon Turcott in the news studio, and then move to another studio – the same studio, in fact, that was used for The Journal – for the main segment of the program. Following the launch of CBC Newsworld in 1989, the news summary became a simulcast of that network's hourly news update that was live for each time zone.

The original producer was Michael Harris and the program was directed for its first four seasons by Sidney M. Cohen, who later became executive producer of Canada AM for CTV. Initial ratings were not strong, with the program attracting only slightly more viewers across all of Canada than CIII-TV's local noon-hour newscast was attracting in the Toronto market alone, although the program was a strong performer in the ratings by 1986.

After several months with the program, Morrison transferred to the CBC's bureau in Ottawa, while Cameron was not interested in taking over as a permanent host of the program due to his duties with The Journal, and Peter Downie was hired as Pringle's new co-host; Pringle took a maternity leave in 1986, with Sue Prestedge filling in as substitute anchor for several weeks.

Downie left in June 1989 to become host of Man Alive, and was replaced by Ralph Benmergui, who was selected over Whit Fraser and Stuart McLean.

Benmergui left the program in May 1992 to become host of Friday Night! with Ralph Benmergui, and was succeeded by Kevin Newman in the fall. Newman cohosted with Pringle for only a few weeks before she left the program in December of the same year to succeed Pamela Wallin as cohost of CTV's Canada AM, just a few weeks after Wallin was hired by the CBC to become co-anchor of Prime Time News, and was replaced by Tina Srebotnjak, previously the program's entertainment reporter and a sometime substitute anchor.

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Other notable personalities associated with the program included Pete Luckett, a grocer from Nova Scotia who presented food segments, and Antonia Zerbisias, who appeared as an entertainment commentator and reviewer.

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Talk:Gene Sharp

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Any relation to Zerna Sharp?

 * (Very funny). Hey, I've searched everywhere for the date of birth of this amazing human being and can't find it. Does anyone have a clue? (Alpheus 21:45, 12 November 2005 (UTC))

And then there were two
...dates of birth. Rothorpe (talk) 19:23, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

............

unable to figure out how to directly correct a factual error myself maybe someone else would kindly do so ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Sharp

the error is a simple obvious factual error

text: Sharp's influence on struggles worldwide Most recently, it is claimed that the protest movement that toppled President Mubarak of Egypt drew extensively on his ideas, as well as the youth movement in Tunisia and the earlier ones in the Eastern European color revolutions that had previously been inspired by Sharp's work, although some have claimed Sharp's influence has been exaggerated by Westerners looking for a Lawrence of Arabia figure.[8][9] However, a Google search of Gene Sharp's name in Arabic turns up no hits.

a simple check found this to be totally wrong

gene sharp in arabic is جين شارب

using the google translator ... from english to arabic  http://translate.google.com/?hl=en#en|ar|gene%20sharp

step two insert the arabic translation of gene sharp into google arabic

http://www.google.ae/

and the serach result is http://www.google.ae/search?hl=ar&source=hp&ie=windows-1256&q=%CC%ED%E4+%D4%C7%D1%C8&btnG=%C8%CD%CB+Google%FE&meta=&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=

clearly the article's author is wrong in that there are 109,000,000 results which is greater than "no hits"

pleased to be able to correct this obvious error, though indirectly, if posssible

i'm sure it was not dont in an attempt to downplay or minimize the pivotal role of gene sharp in many global revolutions —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.148.153.219 (talk) 20:29, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

 * Please see the section below, "Google search on Gene Sharp" for clarification about this issue. Piperh (talk) 07:41, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

POV tag
This comes across as a propaganda piece written by someone associated with that particular organisation. Hence the POV tag has been inserted and will remain until someone makes an attempt to clarify who or what this person is in a more balanced article. Fourohfour 11:19, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, some of the "colorful revolutions", like Otpor's revolution in Serbia and the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, are said to have been funded by Western sources. That doesn't mean that they were "fake people power", necessarily, but there's some engineering going on in there.

But that doesn't make Gene Sharp a villain: he's still the guy who wrote that book that inspired those colorful revolutions...it seems to me that before you slap a POV tag on an article, you should have a specific and informed criticism of your own. Katsam7:04, 10 December 2005

 * I didn't accuse him of being a villain, so don't suggest otherwise.
 * I said the article came across as very uncritical of the guy, like a promotional piece written by a supporter. Maybe he did inspire them. However, I'd like to see something that came across as *trying* to be more neutral than the article currently is. That was the extent of my criticism. Fourohfour 13:54, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I put in some criticisms of Sharp and took out the POV tag.Katsam 08:46, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Here's a couple of links saying Gene Sharp and his Albert Einstein foundation are anticommunist agitators with links to the CIA.  Some see the "color revolutions" as "soft coup d'etats", and Sharp's organization has advised not only the Serbian/Ukrainian/Georgian oppositions, but also the folks who tried to overthrow Hugo Chavez...

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Albert_Einstein_Institution http://www.voltairenet.org/article30032.html That's a little more balance, no? Do you think that voltairenet article is reputable enough to count as a source here? Katsam 2:05, 12 December 2005

Well, the article uses "weasel words" such as "some people" (who?) "believe" (x,y,z) to support assertions that Sharp is associated with (DoD,  anti-Communist movements,  you name it). The voltairenet article, while interesting and filled with data,  is unstubstantiated quackery. So there seem to be some POV problems here. --216.135.36.37 06:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't think anyone links Sharp to the Department of Defense. But some of those assertions are substantiable:  for instance,  I found a link to a Reuters article discussing the AEI training Venezuelan opposition to Hugo Chavez (I inserted the link but it's on a page called burmanet, you'll have to scroll down).

 * I also found an article in Peace Magazine that talked about how the Serbian nonviolent youth group Otpor was trained and funded by the AEI and NED. It wasn't entirely clear from Peace Magazine whether the NED was funding the AEI or just funding Otpor, but a quick search yielded a link to the AEI's archive at Swarthmore where it's visible that the AEI has repeatedly sought donations from the NED.

 * So I don't agree that the criticism is POV, unless you can make a case that the majority of Sharp's work hasn't focused on the nonviolent toppling of Communist governments. Katsam

Sharp's Central Theory
I have a problem with the way Sharp's central theory in his book Politics of Nonviolent Action has been described. What is said about this threory is not, as it exists, incorrect but it is not actually a picture of his threories on political power and action which are the central problems the book addresses. Right now the description laid out in the article merely describes a possible product or outcome of the application of Sharp's thesis but it is not the thesis itself. I am going to provide a basic outline of these theories to clarify this crucial distinction.

It's fine to mention that Sharp's theory resembles Hume's, but I think to put the whole quote in is a little bit of overkill (considering this is Gene Sharp's entry and not Hume's)Katsam 09:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Venezuela
Somebody keeps removing references to Sharp's contribution to the attempted coup of 2002 in Venezuela. I guess unlike Serbia and the Ukraine, that's not one he wants advertised, huh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.245.79.81 (talk) 03:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

 * You should assume good faith, although your cynicism is understandable. In reality, the reasoning is more complex.  In an interview to Peace Magazine, Sharp claims to have never been to Venezuela, and that he does not know much about it; in other words, implying that he could not have contributed to the coup.  Thus any claims about his involvement with the 2002 coup need to be referenced with credible sources, otherwise the libel issue arises.

 * See also Biographies of living persons.--Riurik(discuss) 06:13, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Ok, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.243.112.204 (talk) 23:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Gene Sharp didn't go to Venezuela in 2002, but the head of Sharp's thinktank (Robert Helvey) went to train Venezuelan dissidents in 2003. Here's part of a Reuters article about it:

US democracy expert teaches Venezuelan opposition By Pascal Fletcher CARACAS, Venezuela, April 30 (Reuters) - Retired U.S. army colonel Robert Helvey has trained pro-democracy activists in several parts of the world so he knows something about taking on military regimes and political strongmen. Now he is imparting his skills in Venezuela, invited by opponents of President Hugo Chavez who accuse the leftist leader of ruling like a dictator in the world's No. 5 oil exporter. ... After initially declining to answer questions, Helvey, a former U.S. military attache in Burma and now a consultant with the private U.S. Albert Einstein Institution that promotes non-violent action in conflicts, told Reuters non-violence was the key to the tactics he taught.

 * I've posted links to that article before but someone keeps taking them down. Katsam (talk) 03:34, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

New Source
Interesting background on Sharp's influence on the Arab democracy movement. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 01:01, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

And more yesterday: Sheryl Gay Stolberg, Shy U.S. Intellectual Created Playbook Used in a Revolution, New York Times, 16 February 2011. Probably some good material for anyone interested in expanding the article. - Jmabel | Talk 03:26, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't believe anything the NY Times has to say recently. I did a Google search of Gene Sharp's name in Arabic. No hits at all. This is pure PR. The guy is exaggerating his importance. This is on March 7th 2011. Watch him put in some Arabic pages to get hits and make his claim come true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mischimischi (talk • contribs) 22:29, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Google search on Gene Sharp in Arabic
With reference to the confusion about Google searches on Gene Sharp's name:

It is necessary to keep in mind that a search on a name that contains a common noun like "gene" and a common adjective like "sharp" will return a huge number of irrelevant hits unless the name is enclosed in quote marks, thus: "gene sharp"

Keeping this in mind, follow this procedure:

1. Go to the www.google.com search page.

2. Click Language Tools.

3. In the Search for: box, type "Gene Sharp" enclosing the name in quote marks as I have done here.

4. Click the radio button Specific languages.

5. Choose Arabic.

6. Click Translate and Search.

When I follow these steps, I get 14,800 hits, and nearly all of them are clearly about the person in question, as they mention the Albert Einstein Institution, nonviolent resistance, or other key words and phrases that are obviously related. You will also notice that Google will often translate Sharp's name from Arabic to English as "Jane Sharp" rather than "Gene Sharp," suggesting that there is probably not a single way to transliterate his first name into Arabic.

The statement that "a Google search of Gene Sharp's name in Arabic turns up no hits" has been removed from the article.

Piperh (talk) 07:36, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I can confirm that. I speak Arabic - an Egyptian actually - and Sharp's book about Dictatorship was a Great influence on the educated men and women who organised the revolt. Here you can see the Results of Google Search in Arabic http://www.google.com/search?q=%22%D8%AC%D9%8A%D9%86+%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%22&hl=en&lr=lang_ar&safe=off&tbo=1&biw=1024&bih=621&tbs=lr:lang_1ar&prmd=ivns&ei=jr17TYGIE8eSswbWztnuBw&start=30&sa=N More than 30000 Hits.

Mando Salama (talk) 18:42, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

http://globalvoicesonline.org/2011/04/15/egypt-gene-sharp-taught-us-how-to-revolt/ maybe not  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.74.110.134 (talk) 15:37, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Add
See Otpor!. 99.181.139.218 (talk) 04:49, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

2007/2011 resource, The Progressive
Amitabh Pal, February 17, 2011
 * Gene Sharp interview by Amitabh Pal, March 2007 Issue

 * Gene Sharp's Nonviolent Impact by Amitabh Pal, February 17, 2011

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Photo candidates - adequate permissions? (timely for possible Nobel Prize winner next week)
There's been a request for a photo of Gene Sharp for quite some time, but no responses. Using the search tool that was mentioned in the template above, I see that there do seem to be some photos at Flickr. I wonder if someone who is an expert on photo permissions could tell us if any or all of these photos could be used in Wikipedia. Here are the links, in rough order of my own preference
 * Closeup by chiarelettere; looks like a crop may have been used in publicity for the recent movie about Gene Sharp, How to Start a Revolution
 * closeup, dark, by TwoCircles
 * 45 degree view, distant, by TwoCircles

Possible Timeliness!: Getting a photo up could be timely, and put Wikipedia in a good light, since Gene Sharp is being mentioned in the media as one of the top 2 candidates for the 2012 Nobel Peace prize, to be announced next week on 12 October 2012. If anyone has the expertise to take this on, that would be great! Thanks -- Presearch (talk) 00:36, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Removing pamphlets from list of "major works"
A few months ago someone added a subsection "1950s" under major works, and within that subsection added three entries. On closer inspection via Worldcat, all of these entries are merely journal articles or pamphlets. Thus they do not merit being under the header "major works". In my opinion they do not need to be listed on the page at all, since listing all of Sharp's pamphlets and journal articles seems more appropriate for his CV or his own website. However, it's possible someone will disagree. If you move them back, please make sure to treat them as merely minor works, and please be prepared to make a good case that minor works should be listed on the page. Here they are, as listed now in the "1950s" subsection, plus some newly added links to Worldcat and some libraries that actually revealed the page lengths.
 * A Typology of Non-violence, Periodical Mankind 12/1956, India (a revised version appeared in 1959: HERE, and it is only 26 pages. The first page says the typology's very first version was in Sharp's 1951 MA thesis. A chapter on this topic appeared much later as Ch. 10 in Gandhi as a Political Strategist) (26 pages)
 * Which Way To Freedom, Cardiff 1957, idem Auf anderen Wegen, Hamburg 1958;, National Library of Scotland book page (16 pages)
 * Tyranny could not quell them - How Norway's Teachers Defeated Quisling During the Nazi Occupation ..., London 1958; (23 pages)

After saving this comment, I will delete the "1950s" subsection. --Presearch (talk) 06:46, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

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2011 Boston Film Festival awards
It's very weird that the website doesn't show the 2011 awards even at the end of the year or in early 2012. --Espoo (talk) 08:10, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Criticism - Ciccariello-Maher
Editors are invited to improve the article by providing a specific summary of Ciccariello-Maher's criticism. I do not have access to the source. sirlanz 00:33, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

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