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Talk:Midshipman's hitch

Taut-line hitch?
How does this knot differ from the taut-line hitch? The step-by-step pictures look identical in my mind to how a taut-line is tied, and the end result picture looks the same as the picture given on the taut-line hitch page. -- stubblyh ea d | T/c 17:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You are correct. However the very similar adjustable loop knot that ABOK refers to as the Midshipman's hitch (#1799) is actually not the knot currently illustrated here.  See Taut-line hitch for more information. --Dfred 01:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Proposal for this page to be a redirect
I propose that this page be turned into a redirect to Taut-line hitch. Given the inconsistent naming issues of these related "three-wrap hitches" (Taut-line hitch, Midshipman's Hitch, Adjustable hitch, Rigger's Hitch, Rolling Hitch, Magnus hitch, etc., etc!) my idea is to have all the forms of these knot discussed on just two pages: Rolling hitch (for those tied around an object or other rope) and Taut-line hitch (for versions tied around the standing part) and attempt to explain everything there. Objections? --Dfred 01:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Changed to redirect. --Dfred 14:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

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Levice

Levice (Léva, Hungarian pronunciation : ; Lewenz) is a town in western Slovakia. The town lies on the left bank of the lower Hron river. The Old Slavic name of the town was Leva, which means "the Left One".

The town is located in the north-eastern corner of the Danubian Lowland (Podunajská nížina), 110 km east of Bratislava, 40 km south-east of Nitra, 32 km south-west of Banská Štiavnica, 55 km south-west of Zvolen and 25 km from the border with Hungary.

It is the capital of the Levice District, which is the largest district in Slovakia at 1,551 km2. The town's heraldic animal is lion (in Slovak lev), and the town's colours are green and yellow.

History
Levice is first mentioned as Leua, one of the villages belonging to the parish of St. Martin's Church in Bratka (Baratka) in 1156. It was part of the comitatus Tekov (Bars).

First attacked by the Turks in 1544, the town was set on fire while the castle was left unharmed. Between 1581 and 1589, the settlement was the seat of the Captaincy of Lower Hungary. The town was captured by the Turks in 1663 but recaptured only a year later by the Imperial Army led by General de Souches in the Battle of Levice, which took place beneath the town's castle. During the anti-Habsburg revolution of 1709, the fort was blown up by kuruces. After the break-up of Austria-Hungary, the town became a part of Czechoslovakia (confirmed by the Treaty of Trianon in 1920). As part of the breakup of Czechoslovakia under the Munich Agreement in World War II, the town again belonged to Hungary from 1938 to 1945. At the end of the Second World War it was returned to the restored Czechoslovakia. In 1993 it became part of present-day Slovakia.

It was the hometown of Hungarian-American Eugene Fodor (1905–1991), the founder of Fodor's travel book company.

Demographics
Census 2021:     31,974 inhabitants (100%)

Ethnicity

 * Slovak        26,652 (83.4%)
 * Hungarian      2,644 (8.3%)
 * Czech             195 (0.6%)
 * Romani 	      124 (0.4%)

Religious makeup
Roman Catholic (majority), Reformed Protestant (Calvinist), Moravian Brethren (the biggest congregation in Slovakia), Lutheran, Baptist, Old Catholic Church, Adventist of the 7th Day, Modrý kríž (Blue Cross), several Charismatic and Pentecostal communities, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslim community (non-practising), Jewish community (non-practising), atheists

Production
Textiles, cosmetics, furniture, products from locally obtained Golden Onyx, machinery and construction components, cereals, meat, eggs, dairy products, soft drinks, malt, wine (Levická frankovka is a trademark for locally produced red-wine). One of Slovakia's two nuclear power plants is in Mochovce, 12 km north-west of Levice.

Education
There are 8 elementary schools (7 secular including 1 Hungarian, and 1 Roman Catholic school), Gymnazium Andreja Vrabla, a general High School, a Hungarian Calvinist High School (Lyceum), a Business Academy, a Pedagogical and Social Academy, a Secondary Technical School, a Secondary Agricultural School and various apprentice schools.

Main sights

 * The Castle, built in a Gothic style as a trade-route guarding fort at the end of 13th century.
 * Dobo Château, built by István Dobó, a hero of the siege of Eger, in the 1560s.

Places of worship

 * St Joseph's Church, Roman Catholic, accompanied by a baroque Franciscan convent. It is found close to the entrance to the château, and dates from the turn of the 18th century.
 * St Michael's Church – Roman Catholic, found in St Michael's street (Sv. Michala). It is from the 2nd half of the 18th century
 * Church of the Holy Spirit – Roman Catholic, in the Rybniky quarter. It is from the start of the 21st century
 * Chapel of St Urban – Roman Catholic, F. Hecku street, 1770s
 * Evanjelický a. v. kostol – Lutheran, street, 1840s to 1930s
 * Zborový dom (Congregational House) – Lutheran, next to the latter
 * Kostol Reformovanej cirkvi – Calvinist, Sv. Michala street, end of 18th century
 * Zborový dom (Congregational House) – Brethren Church, S. Chalupku street, 1983–85
 * Synagogue – Jewish, K. Kittenberger street, half of 19th century

Other sights

 * Schoeller's Mill – built at the end of the 19th century, production was cancelled in 1998, rebuilt into a complex of luxury shops, offices, dwellings and entertainment facilities.
 * Main square – a good collection of Art-Nouveau and eclectic buildings.
 * Town hall – erected in 1902, second floor built-up while lifting the roof by a screw mechanism in 1927.
 * Teachers Academy – secondary school, E point of the Kalvaria hill, N of the main square, built in 1911 as a mix of the late Art-Nouveau and Italian trecento-influenced historism.

Functionalist architectures

 * District Court Building – corner of Mlynska and Zahradna streets, projected by Milan Michal Harminc
 * Fried's House – corner of L. Stura and Sv. Michala streets
 * Strasser's House – Sturova street, next to the Fried's House
 * Fertsek Brothers House – corner of Soltesova square and street
 * Munk's House – corner of Mlynska and Zahradna streets
 * Reitmann's House – Mlynska street, a passage to I. Krasku street
 * Eisler's House – corner of Mlynska and L. Stura streets
 * Police District Headquarters Building – former Seat of District Authority, crossing of Kalvinske square and Sv. Michala street
 * Health Insurance Company Building – M. R. Stefanik street, later Infant Hospital

Nearby places of interest

 * Horšianska Dolina (Horša Valley) – nature preserve with unique plant and animal endemics, folk architecture in Horša
 * Kalinčiakovo – this village has a tiny but well preserved Romanesque church dating from the 12th century (see Romanesque church in Kalinčiakovo) and the swimming pool of Margita-Ilona
 * Hronský Beňadik – medieval fort-monastery with Gothic entrance, tombs and memorabilia of Hungarian noblemen
 * Želiezovce– Neoclassical residence of Count Eszterhazy, and Soví zámoček (Owl Château) where the Austrian composer Franz Schubert taught music
 * Santovka– mineral water springs and swimming pool
 * Brhlovce– cave-like dwellings cut into volcanic rock, nominated as a UNESCO World Heritage site
 * Čajkov– known for local folk costumes and the annual wine harvest festival
 * Pukanec– tiny mining town once enjoying the status of Free royal town, still known for hand-made pottery
 * Sitno– volcanic peak in the Štiavnica Mountains, Celtic funeral place, medieval castle ruins, and a botanic nature reserve featuring rare rose species

Notable people

 * Juraj Cintula (born 1953), attempted assassin of Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico
 * Pál Kadosa (1903–1983), composer and pianist; born in Levice
 * Kálmán Kittenberger (1881–1958), geographer; born in Levice
 * Géza Steinhardt (1873–1944), Hungarian Jewish actor; born in Levice
 * Eugene Fodor (1905–1991), writer; born in Levice

Twin towns — sister cities
Levice is twinned with:

 * 🇨🇿 Boskovice, Czech Republic
 * 🇭🇺 Érd, Hungary
 * 🇨🇿 Náměšť na Hané, Czech Republic
 * 🇵🇱 Ruda Śląska, Poland
 * 🇵🇱 Skierniewice, Poland

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Talk:Fireman's chair knot

Untitled
The "Handcuff knot" and the "Fireman's chair knot" are different knots.

The "Handcuff knot" is tied off with an "Overhand knot" or "Reef knot" at the second stage on your diagram.

The "Fireman's chair knot" is built upon the "Handcuff knot".

In my opinion, they really shouldn't be on the same page.

-- 144.138.21.175 20:09, 7 August 2005

 * OK, have a look now -- I've done a diagram of what I think you mean, and moved part of the page to Handcuff knot. Ojw 19:45, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Man-o'war sheepshank
This knot looks awfully similar to the Man-o'war sheepshank. Are they in fact the same? -Shai-kun 17:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The structure the knots in both diagrams is identical. Since use is different, different names may be argued for. This is the position Clifford Ashley takes in The Ashley Book of Knots.
 * "A different way either of tying or applying a form generally constitutes a second knot." (ABoK re. knots #1 and #2)
 * Whether this approach is reasonable is probably a matter of taste.
 * Note: As for the names used in this specific case, "Fireman's Chair" I was unable to find in the ABoK and "Man-o'-War Sheepshank" (ABoK #1164) is given (as one of three names) for a knot that is somewhat different from the version on wikipedia. (The difference being the direction the half hitches are tied.)
 * --Netizen 22:45, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, Ashley also shows the half hitches the other way at #1140, where they are being used to lock the Handcuff knot. Regarding whether Man-o'War sheephank belongs here, I think that reasonable to leave it on the sheepshank page, given the distinct usage and the fact the half-hitches are purposely made out away from the overhand portion of the knot.  In general I think the organization of related knot articles should be a matter of case-by-case judgement, particularly taking into account what makes sense from the WP user's point of view.  Adhering to an inflexible scheme, such as implementing what that Ashley quote implies, would (IMHO) do more harm than good... --Dfred 05:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

First panel of diagram is incorrect
The first panel of Image:Firemans chair knot.png is incorrect and results in a Tom fool's knot instead of a Handcuff knot. The right loop should be behind the left, in the manner of a clove hitch. Actually, in order to arrive at the knot in the second panel, the loops have to be made in the other direction (overhand or underhand, depending on which side one considers the standing part) and then crossed-over in the manner of a clove hitch before the loops are pulled through one another. Hopefully that makes sense. The same is true for the diagram at Image:Handcuff knot.png --Dfred 05:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I replaced the incorrect diagram with a photo of the finished knot. --Dfred 16:56, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Bad reference URL
Current version is at

http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/LocalGovernment/FireandEmergencyServices/FileDownLoad,2138,en.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.152.206 (talk) 22:11, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the new location, I've updated the link in the article... --Dfred (talk) 00:22, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

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Leopoldo Calvo-Sotelo

Leopoldo Ramón Pedro Calvo-Sotelo y Bustelo, 1st Marquess of Ría de Ribadeo (14 April 1926 – 3 May 2008), usually known as Leopoldo Calvo-Sotelo, was Prime Minister of Spain between 1981 and 1982.

Early life and career
Calvo-Sotelo was born into a prominent political family in Madrid on 14 April 1926 with his father, Leopoldo Calvo Sotelo, and his mother, Mercedes Bustelo Márquez. The assassination of his uncle, José Calvo Sotelo, who had been finance minister under Miguel Primo de Rivera, was a key event leading up to the Spanish Civil War. Calvo-Sotelo graduated as a civil engineer from the School of Civil Engineers of Madrid now part of the Technical University of Madrid, working in the area of applications of chemistry to the industry.

He was the president of Renfe (the Spanish national railroad network) between 1967 and 1968. Calvo-Sotelo was elected solicitor (Deputy) of Franco's Cortes, representing industrialists in the Union of Chemical Industries, in 1971. A monarchist, Sotelo was one of the founders of an association of politicians, mostly of Rightists and Center Rightists, which disguised as the Fedisa publishing firm helped Spain's peaceful transition into democracy.

Political career
Calvo-Sotelo was designated Minister of Commerce by Carlos Arias Navarro to be in the first government of the Monarchy (December 1975 – July 1976). He advocated a true transition to democracy instead of mere superficial changes that politicians like Navarro planned. Calvo-Sotelo was kept in the cabinet of Adolfo Suárez upon his succession to premiership in 1976 and directed several centre-right and centre-left political associations into one party, the Union of the Democratic Centre (UCD). Calvo-Sotelo was part of the Tacito group in the cabinet along with Eduardo Carriles, Andrés Reguera, Landelino Lavilla, Enrique de la Mata, Marcelino Oreja and Alfonso Osorio. The UCD won in both the June 1977 and the March 1979 elections and Calvo-Sotelo was elected MP for Madrid.

President of the Government of Spain
Suárez decided to keep him in the Cabinet, first from 1978 to 1980 as Minister for Relations of the European Economic Community, then as Second Vicepresident in charge of economic affairs. After the resignation of Suárez on 29 January 1981, he was supposed to be appointed Prime Minister (Presidente del Gobierno) on 23 February, and advocated Spain's proposed entry into NATO as soon as possible. However, on that date a session of the Congress of Deputies was interrupted by the attempted coup of 23-F. After the failed coup, his appointment as Prime Minister was confirmed on 25 February by the vote of all the UCD members of the congress and 21 others as well, giving him a majority of 186 to 158. Splits in the UCD group led to the formation of three rival parties, the Democratic Action Party (Partido de Acción Democrática/PAD), which soon merged with the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party (PSOE), the Democratic and Social Centre (CDS) and Democratic Popular Party (PDP), resulting in the UCD being unable to count on sufficient support in the legislature. Fresh elections were called, resulting in a heavy defeat for the UCD, which won only 12 seats at the 1982 election compared to 168 in 1979. He served as Prime Minister until 1 December 1982 and was succeeded by the socialist Felipe González.

Later years
In 2002, Calvo-Sotelo was raised into the Spanish nobility by King Juan Carlos of Spain and given the hereditary title of Marqués de la Ría de Ribadeo (Marquess of Ría de Ribadeo), together with the dignity Grande de España (English: Grandee of Spain), this in honour for his service.

Calvo-Sotelo was also a member of the Club of Madrid and of the Spanish Royal Academy of Engineering.

He wrote several political autobiographical books: Memoria viva de la transición (Living memory of the Spanish transition), Papeles de un cesante (Papers from an unemployed person), and Pláticas de familia (1878–2003) (Family talks (1878-2003)).

He died of natural causes at his home in Pozuelo de Alarcón, on 3 May 2008 aged 82.

Personal life
He was married to María del Pilar Ibáñez-Martín y Mellado and had eight children:
 * Leopoldo Calvo-Sotelo e Ibáñez-Martín (born 4 September 1957), 2nd Marquess of Ría de Ribadeo, married to Cristina Egea y Gutiérrez-Cortines.
 * Juan Calvo-Sotelo e Ibáñez-Martín (born 14 November 1958), married to Lucía Fernández y Cartuxo
 * María del Pilar Calvo-Sotelo e Ibáñez-Martín (born 20 October 1959), married to Carlos Delclaux y Zulueta
 * Pedro Calvo-Sotelo e Ibáñez-Martín (born 20 December 1960), married to María Alvarez-Cascos y Gómez de Arteche
 * Víctor Calvo-Sotelo e Ibáñez-Martín (born 24 November 1961), unmarried and without issue
 * José María Calvo-Sotelo e Ibáñez-Martín (born 2 May 1964), unmarried and without issue
 * Andrés Calvo-Sotelo e Ibáñez-Martín (born 14 August 1965), twin with the below, unmarried and without issue
 * Pablo Calvo-Sotelo e Ibáñez-Martín (born 14 August 1965), twin with the above, married to Elvira García-Bellido y Capdevilla

General references

 * Mclean, Renwick (2006). "Spain Takes a Proud Look Back." International Herald Tribune. 24 February.
 * Preston, Paul (1990). The Triumph of Democracy in Spain. London: Routledge.
 * Rogers, Eamonn and Valerie Rogers, eds. (1999). Encyclopedia of Contemporary Spanish Culture. London: Routledge.
 * Walker, Jane (2006). "The Day Freedom Was Put in Peril." The Irish Times. 23 February.

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Parrott rifle

The Parrott rifle was a type of muzzle-loading rifled artillery weapon used extensively in the American Civil War.

Parrott rifle
The gun was invented by Captain Robert Parker Parrott, a West Point graduate. He was an American soldier and inventor of military ordnance. He resigned from the service in 1836 and became the superintendent of the West Point Foundry in Cold Spring, New York. He created the first Parrott rifle (and corresponding projectile) in 1860 and patented it in 1861. Daniel Treadwell, who developed a method for making built-up guns in the early 1840s, tried to claim that his patent infringed on an earlier one, but in 1866 S.D.N.Y. court dismissed it, deciding that Treadwell's claim was invalidated by a 1843 British patent to John Frith.

Parrotts were manufactured with a combination of cast and wrought iron. The cast iron made for an accurate gun, but was brittle enough to suffer fractures. Hence, a large wrought iron reinforcing band was overlaid on the breech to give it additional strength. There were earlier cannons designed this way, but the method of securing this band was the innovation that allowed the Parrott to overcome the deficiencies of these earlier models. It was applied to the gun red-hot and then the gun was turned while pouring water down the muzzle, allowing the band to attach uniformly. By the end of the Civil War, both sides were using this type of gun extensively.

Parrott rifles were manufactured in different sizes, from the 10-pounder Parrott rifle up to the rare 300-pounder. In the field, the 10- and 20-pounders were used by both armies. The 20-pounder Parrott rifle was the largest field gun used during the war, with the barrel alone weighing over 1800 lb. The smaller size was much more prevalent; it came in two bore sizes: 2.9 in and 3.0 in. Confederate forces used both bore sizes during the war, which added to the complication of supplying the appropriate ammunition to its batteries. Until 1864, Union batteries used only the 2.9 in. The M1863, with a 3.0 in bore, had firing characteristics similar to the earlier model; it can be recognized by its straight barrel, without muzzle-swell. Its range was up to 2000 yd with a trained crew.

On June 23-24, 1862, President Abraham Lincoln made an unannounced visit to West Point, where he consulted with retired Gen. Winfield Scott regarding the handling of the Civil War and the staffing of the War Department. Following this meeting, President Lincoln visited the West Point Foundry at which the 100- and 200-pounder Parrott cannons were successfully demonstrated in live firing.

Naval versions of the 20-, 30-, 60-, and 100-pounder Parrotts were also used by the Union navy. The 100-pound naval Parrott could achieve a range of 6,900 yards (6,300 meters) at an elevation of 25 degrees, or fire an 80 lb shell 7,810 yards (7,140 m) at 30 degrees elevation.

Although accurate, as well as being cheaper and easier to make than most rifled artillery guns, the Parrott had a poor reputation for safety and they were shunned by many artillerists. At the end of 1862, Henry J. Hunt attempted to get the Parrott eliminated from the Army of the Potomac's inventory, preferring the 3-inch ordnance rifle. When the Parrott gun burst in battle, gunners would chip out the jagged parts and continue firing. In 1889, The New York Times called on the Ordnance Bureau of the War Department to discontinue use of the Parrott gun altogether, following a series of mishaps at the West Point training grounds.

Several hundred Parrott gun tubes remain today, many adorning battlefield parks, county courthouses, and museums. The gun tubes made by Parrott's foundry are identifiable by the letters WPF (West Point Foundry), along with a date stamp between 1860 and 1889, found on the front face of the gun tube. The first production Parrott gun tube (serial number 1) still exists, and is preserved on a reproduction gun carriage in the center square of Hanover, Pennsylvania, as part of a display commemorating the Battle of Hanover. A list of many of the surviving tubes can be found at the National Register of Surviving Civil War Artillery.

The larger sizes of Parrott rifles (100-pounder and up) were deployed in coast defense from 1863 to 1900, when they were replaced by Endicott period forts and weapons. Along with Rodman guns, some were deployed shortly after the outbreak of the Spanish–American War in 1898 as a stopgap; it was feared the Spanish fleet would bombard the US East Coast.

The 300-pound solution
By summer 1863, Union forces became frustrated by the heavily fortified Confederate position at Fort Sumter, and brought to bear the 10 in Parrott, along with several smaller cannons. In all, two 80-pounder Whitworths, nine 100-pounder Parrotts, six 200-pounder Parrotts, and a 300-pounder Parrott were deployed. It was widely believed in the north that a massive 10-inch Parrott would finally break the previously impenetrable walls of the fort, which had become the symbol of stalwart steadfastness for the Confederacy.

The Washington Republican described the technical accomplishments of the 10 in Parrott: "The breaching power of the 10-inch 300-pounder Parrott rifled gun, now about to be used against the brick walls of Fort Sumter, will best be understood by comparing it with the ordinary 24-pounder siege gun, which was the largest gun used for breaching during the Italian War."

The 3.75 in 24 lb shot, with a muzzle velocity of 1625 ft/s, strikes a target at 3500 yd with a velocity of about 300 ft/s (this is almost beyond the range of the weapon). In contrast, the 10 in 300 lb shot, with a muzzle velocity of 1111 ft/s, strikes the target at the same range still moving at 700 ft/s, due to its much higher mass-to-drag ratio. The resulting huge difference in impact energy, 33000 ftlbf for the 24 lb shell, and over 2000000 ftlbf for the 300 lb shell, means the penetrating energy of the larger shell is 20 times that of the smaller.

In terms of the ability to punch holes in fortifications, at that long range the light 24 lb shell would be expected to only breach a 6 in brick wall. In contrast, the greater mass and retained velocity of the 300 lb shell would enable it to penetrate 6 to 7 ft of brick (given the quality of the material back then). The Union soldiers knew Fort Sumter's brick walls averaged about 5 ft thick, and thus recognized the potential for such a cannon to help them succeed in taking back their Fort.

Swamp Angel
A famous large 8 in Parrott cannon, called the Swamp Angel, was used by federal Brigadier General Quincy Adams Gillmore to bombard Charleston, South Carolina. It was manned by the 11th Maine Volunteer Infantry Regiment.

On August 21, 1863 Gillmore sent Confederate general P. G. T. Beauregard an ultimatum to abandon heavily fortified positions at Morris Island or the city of Charleston would be shelled. When the positions were not evacuated within a few hours, Gillmore ordered the Parrott rifle to fire on the city. Between August 22 and August 23, the Swamp Angel fired on the city 36 times (the gun burst on the 36th round), using many incendiary shells which caused little damage and few casualties. The battle was made more famous by Herman Melville's poem "The Swamp Angel".

After the war, a damaged Parrott rifle said to be the Swamp Angel was moved to Trenton, New Jersey, where it rests as a memorial today at Cadwalader Park.

Parrott rifles by size

(*) This time is an educated guess, the time is unknown. Flight times appear to be extremely inaccurate. Example: 10-in (300-lb) projectile would have to average only 133 ft/s to be in flight for 202 seconds to cover 9000 yd. A more accurate estimate will be in the range of 30 seconds.

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Talk:Window blind

Link to comercial site
Theres a link to a site selling window-blinds at the bottom of this article. Someone should probably remove it? --109.58.193.191 (talk) 13:48, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅   Wikipelli Talk   13:50, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

There are some more links (spam). For some reason, I can't remove them.--Stoneybologni (talk) 17:50, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Mini blind
I added Mini blind to see also. I spent quite some time working on it. According to my research ‘window blind’ refers to all kinds of window blinds and ‘mini blind’ refers only to mini blinds. There’s plenty of room on Wikipedia for Mini blind to be worked on. I put see also 'Window blind' on that article to direct people to this article, since I had never heard the term 'Window blind' before I started researching 'mini blind'. --Chuck Marean 03:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * These should be MERGED. Most of what you write at MINI BLIND is TRIVIAL, REDUNDANT, and more appropriate HERE.
 * They shouldn't be. They are two different words with two different meanings. To give enough about Mini blind it should have a separate article. --Chuck Marean 15:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A mini blind is merley a SUBSET of the larger and more meaningful category fo WINDOW BLINDS. 71.234.194.80 04:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

REALLY, folks, there's NO NEED for a entirely SEPARATE article on mini blind. SILLY.71.234.194.80 11:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

The key question is how much of the historical & background content now at mini blind is truly unique and specific to that particular form, versus window blinds in general. -- Zim Zala Bim talk  22:37, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Window blind is a category of things including mini blind. Separate articles inspire people work on those articles and find info for them, and they show up in Google. Chuck Marean 17:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Origin of Venetian blinds
I've heard, probably in at least two places, that Venetian blinds (despite the name) are actually of Japanese origin. Does anybody know of a source to support or oppose this claim? -- Smjg 17:16, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Infobox window covering
I made Infobox window covering for this page and others.

Chuck Marean 02:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * IMO, this is not an Infobox, but merely a decorated framing & caption of an image, and as such, seems quite superfluous. -- Zim Zala Bim talk  20:31, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It aligns to the right. The info it gives is: name of object, picture of object, caption and whatever references are appended to the caption. It has a resemblance to a window with curtains and a shade because it’s for articles about on such things. It’s really no more superfluous than the main page, and other portals, etc. What hues it should be, I’m not sure. It was Halloween. Here’s another setting:

 * --Chuck Marean 21:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Please familiarize yourself with Help:Infobox, especially the introductory description: "An infobox on Wikipedia is a consistently-formatted table which is present in articles with a common subject to provide summary information consistently between articles or improve navigation to closely related articles in that subject." Your "infobox" does none of this - it merely is a colorful framing of an image that is apparently supposed to resemble a window with curtains (which is clever, but not encyclopedic). I kept the image and caption you included, but the Halloween-themed fluff is superfluous. -- Zim Zala Bim talk  21:32, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I already read it. This is an infobox. You just claimed it "does none of this." Yet, it's consistent. It's a table. It's for articles with a common subject. It's to provide summary information consistently in those articles. It can be navigation to it's reference. I've read about infoboxes extensively. The above color is for the technology boxes, but keeping box colors the same is a minor opinion on Wikipedia. The fact is, the thum image is also an infobox. It's a box and it contains information. I admit I like this infobox because I helped design it. It has color parameters so a consensus can form about what color it should be in what articles. The halloween colors on this talk page were not ment to be the colors used in articles. Again, the picture frame is ment for articles about shades and curtains. It's somewhat adaptable. The caption could have the toc for example, or it could eventually be made into a nav box. It could be like a taxobox, if someone knows how to classify the various things. Actually, I think the subject of the picture's caption should be window blinds Chuck Marean 04:35, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, this is not an Infobox. It neither provides summary information consistently between articles nor improves navigation to closely related articles on this subject. Furthermore, because of this, and because of the original design, it is not consistent with Infoboxes on other articles or Wikipedia in general. Plus, the design is too informal. Common sense says that tables in encyclopedias should strive to be formal. --216.165.32.47 (talk) 00:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Recent edits
While I appreciate User:Chuck Marean's enthusiasm, I fear many of his edits are either oversimplifications (this isn't Simple English Wikipedia), redundant (much of the introductory text he added was already stated), or simply unencyclopedic. I've restored the intro section, and moved the (cute) cat image to the gallery, as it is not very illustrative to be a lead image. -- Zim Zala Bim talk  05:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, Chuck, much of your contributions are redundant to the existing text. I'm sure you're proud of your research, but sometimes the article already states what you've added. Please take greater care. -- Zim Zala Bim talk  21:39, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Chuck, explain to me how this edit doesn't merely introduce redundant material. Just 'cause you looked it up in a dictionary doesn't mean it should be added here. -- Zim Zala Bim talk  17:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, Chuck, just because what you added might be "clear and accurate" doesn't mean it is appropriate to include. The article seemed quite sufficiently clear and accurate before you started adding simple and redundant dictionary definitions. I have not reverted these since I don't want to get into a 3RR situation, but please engage in discussion. -- Zim Zala Bim talk  14:38, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Third Opinion
The dictionary definitions should really be integrated into the main body of the article. Instead of adding content which is repeated with slight variations of phrasing consider rephrasing the existing content and adding the sources - this might be more beneficial, as would adding sources for unsourced statements (I'll flag some up). Consider listing at [Category:Wikipedia_articles_needing_copy_edit] by adding to the top of the page. Finally, an illustration for each of the types of blinds would be a great addition. --Davémon 19:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Fact & Who
Three comments: Chuck Marean 18:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think " . . . old technology." and "Drawings in ancient Egyptian tombs of reed blinds have been reported . . ." are from Tweeddale, David, Blinds and Roller Shades, 2007, U.S.A.
 * "An awning is considered a blind" is obviously from Gove, Philip, Ph.D., Webster’s Third New International Dictionary of the English Language, 1961, G. & C. Merriam Company, Springfield, Massachusetts, U.S.A. and/or Pearsall, Judy, Concise Oxford English Dictionary, 2002, Oxford University Press, Inc., New York.
 * "Venetian blinds were introduced around 1770, possibly in Venice, Italy" is probably from the Unabridged OED which gives dates and points out that the word Venetian means Venice, Italy. Yet, in my opinion Venetian sounds similar to Phoenician, a person from coastal lands in Syria during pre-Christian times. Why wouldn't they have been invented in some year BCE? Even today, they are sometimes made of wood.

gallery
Bigger version of the gallery, but I suppose it’s alright the way it is:

Chuck Marean 18:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Types and sagging
I put the Types section contributed by Paleologo & Tra before the Automobile blinds section. Also, I paraphrased the paragraph on sagging horizontal blinds somebody wrote. I put it right before the first vertical blinds paragraph. Chuck Marean 21:40, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

History mystery
Just saw a TV movie from 1984 about George Washington which showed venetian blinds. Is that yet another goof by set designers, or could colonial America have had venetian blinds? Shenme (talk) 00:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Not sure, but venetian blinds aren't exactly the pentacle of modern technology. They're just slats of material with a little pulley system. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 01:57, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Umm Bopp leads to a dead end
No info on Sun Vertical patent anywhere online, so perhaps there is a researcher with access. The John Hampson 1841 patent is available, but not included?

RE : Colonial blinds -- they were in use all over France by the late 1600's -- uncertain where the first appeared in colonies, but examples abound by 1760. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.230.117.131 (talk) 18:44, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Venetian Blinds
It is interesting how the rotating bar or wand that is used to open, close and rotate the slates is not even mentioned in the Venetian Blinds section. Come on people. --ProofMaster (talk) 14:49, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Recent edits
I think that last changes that I made are absolutely OK in section where I created content. Why is reverted? Is there any good reason for it?

MilanBgd (talk) 16:14, 5 May 2015 (UTC) -KH-1 (talk) 08:30, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Copyright violations + close paraphrasing
 * 2) Reference links to an online store.
 * 3) Wikipedia is not an instruction manual

Venetian vs Persian blinds
From the way the article is written, I can't tell the difference between Venetian and Persian blinds. Could somebody please clarify? --98.235.110.117 (talk) 15:42, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

 * From what I have gathered, there doesn't seem to be any solid difference between the two besides the name. Octacle (talk) 08:24, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe there is no difference, but the format of the article implies that they are different -- different sections and headings, one after the other. It is confusing. Would be helpful to clarify. AtomAnt (talk) 15:38, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Google: "Venetian blinds": ; "Persian blinds":  I've never heard of "Persian blinds". 85.193.247.94 (talk) 21:38, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Latest revision to Venetian Blinds section
I don't know enough to edit the last paragraph of the Venetian blinds section (about Venetian blinds that are inside windows), but there are at least six typos and no information about who the "some companies" are who "reinvented" Venetian blinds or when this happened, nor is there information about what is meant by "damaging and fouling." There are also no references. I hope someone who knows something about it can fix it. If not, I think it is probably bad enough that it should be removed. FideliaE (talk) 18:43, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Roman Blinds
In this section, the last line says Unlike other blinds such as roller, vertical, and Venetian blinds, Romans offer no option to protect against high temperatures or moisture, making them unsuitable for bathrooms. I am completely unable to determine what this is trying to say. Can someone with more knowledge than I expand on this, and perhaps provide a citation?

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Removing Vehicle Blinds
I'm proposing that we remove the Vehicle blinds section. While it's true that vehicles can include blinds for car windows, it's not in-line with the rest of the article which is referring to interior windows and doors. It seems unlikely that people would look to look for car window blinds on this page, and if they did, the rest of the content wouldn't be appropriate. Open to a discussion on why it should be kept, otherwise I will likely remove the content. - Rowan-MMB — Preceding undated comment added 19:38, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Roman shade
Merging Roman shade here to remove an unnecessary stub. Rowan-MMB (talk) 19:57, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Cellular shades
Merging Cellular shades here to remove an unnecessary stub. Rowan-MMB (talk) 08:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Kegel exerciser

== Kegel Image == Have procurred an image/permission for the "Betty Dodson Vaginal Barbell", waiting for permissions on a few others. Particularly Kegeltoner2000,Kegelcisor,-Enhansor. Each one has their benefits. Schlüggell 00:01, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I have removed the links recently added by Sam Spade to some on-line stores which sell Kegelcisers. Since such devices are widely available, the links are not helpful. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 18:20, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I have removed the links again. Please see WP:EL.  Links to sites selling products are specifically listed as being in violation of Wikipedia's external links policy.  Again, since these devices are widely available, there is little point in linking a handful of online sources for them, particularly since on-line stores selling sexual products tend to be ephemeral.  The Uninvited Co., Inc. 16:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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We completely changed the Rayon page to reflect what we learned in our textiles class, textbook, and research. Please note that Rayon is NOT a synthetic fiber but a MANUFACTURED REGENERATED CELLULOSIC fiber which means it is produced from naturally occuring polymers. See our references if you have any questions about this.

 * Well done, this article was really in need of some attention. I'm going to update the references paragraph to the wiki format, however references 9 and 10 seem to be missing. Could you please supply them? Thank you. Berserker79 09:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Rayon fabric weave photos
I added three photos of fabric that I took, in hopes that this would help with the lack of pix. They're a bit blurry, but I'm not a professional. --Digitalgadget 18:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Rayon synthesis picture
As of 15 November 2005 I've put this picture in the article, but if anyone who has a better knowledge of rayon could comment I'd greatly appreciate it: I don't have a very thorough knowledge of the synthesis of rayon, but I seem to understand that an important part of the process comprises the alkali treatment and "xanthation" with carbon disulfide of cellulose (which is what is drawn in the mentioned picture). Should the picture be left in the article? Is there any modification I should consider? TIA Berserker79 18:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Rayon is not synthetic, and it not synthesized, thus there is no synthesis of rayon. It is a regenerated cellosic fiber; it is no more synthetic than hemp rope or cotton cloth, both of which are commonly heavily processed and chemically treated during conversion from raw material into finished product. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.34.23.13 (talk) 02:50, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Curent picture The following picture illustrating the shift between cellulose and viscose is wrong. There should be an oxygen in the cycle, between the glycosidic bond and the carbon bearing CH2OH group of the cycle, instead of a carbon bearing an hydroxyl group. Wikichimiste (talk) 07:56, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Also for Item 13 in production Steps
In the viscose plant at Mobile Alabama USA Courtalds LTD would spin the viscose into a sulfuric acid bath containing soluble zinc. This presumably enhanced yarn surface characteristics. A consquence of this was a rather high zinc content in the treated wastewater discharged to the head of Mobile Bay where oysters were known to accumulate zinc. Untreated wastewater also contained traces of carbon disulfide which were presumably stripped off during trhe treatment process. Even though this problem was remediated, it is possible that new Asian producers are generating the same environmental problems.

--Charlie Caban 19:31, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

That's interesting. I searched for info on this and found some, and added it to the section on health hazards. Thank you! HLHJ (talk) 19:45, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Missing Information
According to the Greater Parkersburg Chamber of Commerce, in Parkersburg, West Virginia, "Parkersburg also had the world's first and largest rayon mill, American Viscose, and one of two plants in the world to manufacture Vitolite."

URL: http://www.greaterparkersburg.com/area/fast_facts

Having gone to school just a few blocks from Rayon Drive, I have seen unwoven rayon fibers that were donated for art supplies, back in the mid 1960s. They can be quite lustrous. However the woven rayon fabric usually is matte, although it sometimes is shiny. This I know first hand from having sewn a lot of rayon fabric. It also is sometimes blended wool, polyester, cotton, linen or silk.

Educatedwv (talk) 14:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)educatedwv

Missing information
Material disadvantages. (shrinks a bit more then ...list..., etc.)

REFERENCES!!!!

Rayon yarn suppliers
these two companies sell rayon yarn, maybe that should be mentioned

http://www.rayonyarn.com/ http://www.troy-corp.com/

Not synthetic ?
Rayon is produced from naturally occurring polymers and therefore it is not a truly synthetic fiber, nor is it a natural fiber. I am confused. If rayon is produced chemically and does not exist in nature, it is obviously truly synthetic. Just like petroleum is truly natural. Don't you think?

--Nickele (talk) 07:32, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't know if synthetic vs natural is the best terminology, but the point is that in the case of rayon one takes a natural polymer and modifies it. This is very different from most other "synthetic" polymers, which are made by taking a monomer and polymerizing it. --Itub (talk) 09:12, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I know this is a subtile difference. Whatever the terminology that is chosen, it has to be consistent with the one on Synthetic fiber.--Nickele (talk) 19:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Well this is a controversial topic and rayon is like 50-50 natural : synthetic, available from natural polymers but processed with chemicals etc., its officially considered as a Synthetic Fiber in general but its neither... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.82.219 (talk) 09:10, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The proper term is semi-synthetic. See for example this book: --Itub (talk) 12:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Edible?
Can rayon be digested for nutritive value? --75.63.48.119 (talk) 04:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I have an opinion on this, but if you want to know, I suggest you do your own research, and here tell us what you find, quoting your source of information. P0mbal (talk)

Hi, 75.63.48.119. You can ask the wp:Reference desk, but since rayon is fairly pure cellulose, in this case you can read the cellulase article. HLHJ (talk) 19:53, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Date correct? Or even the fact itself?
Current text: "Max Fremery and Johann Urban developed a method to produce carbon fibers for use in light bulbs in 1614." 1614? Really? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.159.203.244 (talk) 22:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

More to the point, did they produce carbon fibre or carbon filaments? Not the same thing and carbon fibre dates to the late 1950s, with no reference in the linked articles to an earlier development. (I changed the link from carbon fibre as a composite material to carbon (fibre). 99.245.248.91 (talk) 19:46, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

merging Rayon article with Modal article
The previous post in this section was misplaced. User talk:67.167.185.133 was suggesting that Modal and Rayon are not the same and should NOT be merged. 24.130.136.98 (talk) 02:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

argue against merge
In my search for modal, I appreciate that it is under its own heading. That's not the reason I'm arguing against it, though-- it should be kept separate from rayon because: while methods of manufacture may be similar, the item itself is completely different from rayon. Using similar arguments, one could say that it should be merged with "cotton", as it is a natural fiber used to make garments with properties similar to natural cotton. I believe this item, short as it is, belongs in its own article. Laurel 17:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurel (talk • contribs)

Due to the fact that Modal is still a completely natural fiber, and not a synthetic polymer, I would argue that the articles modal and rayon NOT be merged. Although the two fabrics are similar to the touch (by hand), the differences in manufacturing the spinning/weaving/cutting processes are different enough for each to warrant individual articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.185.133 (talk) 05:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I was checking on what modal was, as there was modal (and cotton) in sheets we purchased. It was useful to me to find the discussion under a separate heading so we could evaluate whether we wanted to keep the sheets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taxman9x (talk • contribs) 23:25, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Readers are best served by giving modal its own article (IMO). It allows them to find the entry easily and quickly determine what sort of product it is. The modal article is currently short, but that is acceptable, and it encourages addition of modal-specific detail. It seems having a separate article is parallel to the reasonable treatment given to Lyocell. --R. S. Shaw (talk) 16:03, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

I also believe modal should have its own page. I was looking at some clothes online and modal listed separately, in addition to, say, cotton. It has become pretty popular with lots of brands. With regard to fire concerns, yes, that is something that should be added when the information is found. Lmlmss44 (talk) 06:20, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

regarding the suggestion to merge Modal (textile) page within the Rayon page
i suggest that a MANUFACTURED REGENERATED CELLULOSIC FIBERS page is created. this new page would present all the details for Modal, Tencel, Bamboo and potential other ones that i'm not aware of.

so, under TEXTILE, one could find 3 major sections: 1- natural fibers: vegetal and animal 2- manufactured regenerated cellulosic fibers 3- synthetic fibers

here i should mention that i'm not a chemist and i can't take part into the production of these pages. But as a reader, the above would make sense to me.

dany —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.45.148 (talk) 02:12, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Isaac Mizrahi link
Is there some reason why Mizrahi's name is not linked to the Wikipedia article about designer Isaac Mizrahi in the Alternative to Cotton section of the article?

71.20.125.46 (talk) 22:57, 31 March 2011 (UTC)Ken Bloomer

Possibly a good idea and it only took a moment to find a good reference that mentions Mizrahi among others:

WSJ: The Touch, the Feel—Of Rayon?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703730704576066291209981236 Jmonti824 (talk) 05:53, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

deadly flammable
this article needs to say a lot more about how dangerously flammable rayon is and whether or not that aspect of it has been improved through the research that has been done. I personally know a woman who was wearing a rayon blouse (I was there when this happened) there was a candle behind her, she backed up and briefly touched the flame. if she had been wearing cotton, it would have charred first and then burned, but with the rayon blouse it literally exploded into flame, she might as well have been wearing congealed gasoline. her skin was burnt black and the molten remnants of the blouse was stuck to it. she spent a lot time in the hospital recovering from 3rd degree burns. I have seen many very beautiful rayon shirts, another thing the article does not specifically say is that rayon works very well with silk-screened images, much more so than with cotton, the artwork glows due to the nature of the rayon fibers, I would love to wear some of these, but I will never ever buy rayon clothing, unless I need strips of it for use in making a torch or starting a fire. I would love to hear about anything that has been done to make it safer, that incident with the exploding blouse was about 20 years ago. But until I see an official label that says "flame retardant" I certainly will not be buying any...  all it takes is one careless cigarette and you too can be a human torch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.127.215 (talk) 21:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Please see producers section which already mentions: "Visil rayon is a flame retardant form of viscose which has silica embedded in the fiber during manufacturing." Jmonti824 (talk) 05:53, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

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Additional info on rayon synthesis by viscose process
see Chapter in: Regenerated cellulose fibresCalvin Woodings, Textile Institute (Manchester, England) 0 Reviewshttp://books.google.com/books/about/Regenerated_cellulose_fibres.html?id=tufL4gBjZ2UC Woodhead Publishing, 2001 - 336 pages

 * (1st time commenter here - appropriate to add to existing topic?)

Although the steps of the chemical process are described in good detail -- to the naïve reader it's not clear what is the purpose of performing steps 1-9? You begin with (C6H10O5)n and end up with seemingly the exact same material mixed in with: nCS2 + nNaOH. I assume this either purifies (probably not), or modifies some structural properties of the material, but I can't determine anything from the current text. Is it similar to Mercerisation of cotton for example ( which also involves treatment with alkali and acid )? I'm not a chemist or textile export and don't feel confident enough to edit the page. Jmonti824 (talk) 04:39, 16 October 2016 (UTC) Cursory web-search reveals that around 1979 a way was found to "replace the chemically complex viscose route with a simple, pollution-free, physical cellulose dissolution route." ( With many environmental benefits. ) Actual process apparently discovered c1939 and refined c1969 years earlier. REF: DANGEROUS://www.lyocell-development.com/2012/09/the-genesis-of-sustainable-fibres-2012.html?m=1 This seems like important information to add especially if it is the process currently used and not the one currently described by the article. ( I would hope that it is, but that's off-topic. ) ( just noticed this process is also referred to as tencel in this article section: Producers. ) Jmonti824 (talk) 05:53, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I can try to attend to these comments. The problem is that your questions are indeed penetrating, and none of the usual editors is very expert in industrial polymer technology.  So it is unclear to be also why the nCS2 + nNaOH treatment gives such wondrous transformation of materials properties aside from the fact that the cellulose can be made into threads by temporary dissolving and then reverting to insoluble fiber again.  The description of Lyocell should be strengthened.  The PR bit about "pollution free" of course really attracts editors here, many of whom do want to see Wikipedia advocate for "goodness". I think that the technology is struggling to be competitive. --Smokefoot (talk) 13:52, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Jmonti824, I've added some refs on lyocell, including a review and a PhD thesis which readily give the idea. I have nto attempted to disentangle the claims about history, but have stuck to the current tech. Also added similar info to Cellophane an Lyocell. HLHJ (talk) 02:13, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Merge from viscose
There is a lot of overlap between regenerated cellulose (an alt name for rayon), viscose (a generic name for solubilized cellulose), and rayon (which includes the xanthate method, lyocell, and cuprammonium method). I am familiar with the area and I can barely figure out these topics. Also these articles are highly redundant. Today, I redirected regenerated cellulose. Now I propose to merge viscose into rayon.--Smokefoot (talk) 23:21, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Rayon only comes in pink. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.126.15.117 (talk) 21:27, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Link to German Wiki
Hi, please someone add a language link to the German wikipedia article about Rayon (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viskosefaser). I don't find how to add it anymore. Thanks. -- 17:18, 27 October 2022 (UTC) Tauriel (talk) 17:18, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

 * Hi, Tauriel. On Wikidata! If you go to the "Languages" sidebar section, at the bottom is an "Edit link" link. Follow it and you'll see how to add a language. Feel free to post on my talk page if you get stuck. HLHJ (talk) 02:15, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

"Bamboo socks" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bamboo_socks&redirect=no Bamboo socks] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. TartarTorte 16:53, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

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lack of AMD slockets
"For a variety of reasons, slockets were never introduced to take advantage of AMD's transition of their Athlon processors from the Slot A form factor to the Socket A form factor." Does anyone know what those reasons were?

 * At a guess, I'd start with the socketed Athlons and Durons being in some way electrically incompatible with the earlier socket motherboards. Maybe the wrong number of pins, wrong voltage, etc, all of which - whilst not unsurmountable issues - would push the price of an adaptor up to unjustifiable levels (they ran at the same FSB and bus width, so that's NOT the issue). Also I believe there were cooling issues which were what actually did for the slot format, and the slower slot / early socket-A AMDs were already quite radiant beasts with very little overclocking headroom (<10%) unless you used insanity-spec coolers. I built a Duron Socket-A system from scratch in the early 2000s, and it cost me peanuts, especially considering the performance offered by an otherwise fairly modest setup. Given the improvements offered with a newer motherboard, the slight saving of upgrading an old one with a slocket adaptor (certainly more than "just a few dollars" - probably at least $10, or about a quarter that of a whole new board) just wouldn't have been worth it. Those of us using AMDs at the time found the whole bonkers slot-juggling game played by Intel and their followers as amusing as it was inexplicable. But then when you're paying through the nose for rather slow hardware, you'll go to some extremes to wring the very best out of your existing stuff. (Oh how the tables have turned since) 193.63.174.10 (talk) 17:30, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

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Film Roman

Film Roman, LLC, is an American animation studio currently based in Woodland Hills, California and formerly in Burbank. It was previously owned by Starz Inc., which is now a division of Lionsgate, and currently by Waterman Entertainment, the production company of producer Steve Waterman.

Founded by veteran animator and director Phil Roman on October 26, 1984, it is best known for providing animation for the Garfield primetime specials, based on Jim Davis' comic strip of the same name. The studio also produced the animated series The Simpsons, The Critic, King of the Hill, Family Guy, Wow! Wow! Wubbzy!, The Goode Family, and Dan Vs..

Background
Phil Roman, veteran alumnus of MGM Animation/Visual Arts and Bill Melendez Productions, founded Film Roman on October 26, 1984 as a means to continue the production of the Garfield television specials, since Melendez's own studio was unable to work on both the Peanuts and Garfield specials. Peanuts executive producers Lee Mendelson and Bill Melendez and their aforementioned studio had produced the first two Garfield specials, but due to both Peanuts creator Charles M. Schulz' and Garfield creator Jim Davis' concerns about conflicting interests in allocating production priority at Melendez's boutique studio, the production had to be moved. While he was leaving him and Melendez for his already-established studio, Roman was offered the opportunity to produce the next Garfield prime time special, Garfield in the Rough (1984), for CBS by Mendelson, which he accepted and went on to produce and direct all by himself, winning an Emmy in the process.

Formation
In 1985, CBS' head of children's programming Judy Price had commissioned an animated television series based on the Garfield prime time special series, later ultimately titled Garfield and Friends, which took three years for Roman to decide developing and producing the program before it eventually aired on the network's Saturday morning time slot, premiering on September 17, 1988. The aforementioned show was Film Roman's first regular series. In 1986, in an effort to expand and diversify the studio, Roman hired Marvel Productions VP of Business Affairs and his own personal attorney, Michael Wahl, as President and Bill Schultz, Marvel's Director of Development, to join in the company as the fledgling studio's VP of Production and Development. Garfield and Friends was expanded to an hour on CBS' number one rated Saturday Morning block and the studio grew to increase its capacity.

In 1988, the new management team developed, sold and produced a new series, Bobby's World, to the brand new Fox Kids Network, headed up by former Marvel Productions president Margaret Loesch. In 1992 to 2016, Film Roman took over the source production of 20th Century Fox's The Simpsons from Klasky-Csupo who had produced the one-minute teaser cartoon shorts on The Tracey Ullman Show as well as the animation for the first three seasons and the first two episodes of the fourth season (in total 61 episodes). The studio went on to grow and produce many popular animated series now seen all around the world.

In 1999, Film Roman's founder Phil Roman left and sold the company to form Phil Roman Entertainment, the studio that produced Christmas television specials including Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer (2000), but  he remained a shareholder of the company and then subsequently rejoined in 2001 as a member of the company's board of directors

At the same time, it attempted to get into the syndication market with the launch of Max Degree TV, which would have consisted of three shows, Mission Extreme from Steve Tisch, Skins from the Deep from SFX artist Steve Wang, and a new Wes Archer cartoon Victor, but it never got off the ground.

In 2000, India-based software firm Pentamedia Graphics attempted to acquire 51% stake in the studio for $15 million, but the deal later terminated in 2001.

IDT Entertainment and Starz ownership
In May 2003, the Digital Production Solutions division of IDT Corporation (formed in 2002) announced that it would acquire a 51% controlling interest and stake in Film Roman, which would temporarily renamed as DPS Film Roman, and the studio later became part of the newly-formed IDT Entertainment division in November that year.

Waterman Entertainment ownership
In 2015, Film Roman was acquired from its parent company Starz Distribution by Waterman Entertainment, the production company of executive producer Steve Waterman. As such, it now does business with Starz, which owns the company's catalogue.

On November 22, 2016, the company formed a joint venture based in Tijuana, called Film Roman Baja J.V. (also known as Film Roman Baja Productions), with Boxel Studios, a Baja California-based animation facility.

Location
The original studio was located on Riverside Drive in Toluca Lake, California, where Roman was also joined by Melendez producer Lee Mendelson. Years later, the studio moved to a new location on Chandler Blvd. in Studio City, before settling into another location at Starz Plaza on Hollywood Way in Burbank, which it shared with the former Hub Network and Hasbro Studios/Allspark, and finally settling into its present location in Woodland Hills.

Miscellaneous

 * Get in Line (Barenaked Ladies music video)
 * Frijolero (Molotov music video)
 * The Simpsons Game (2007, produced by Electronic Arts) (cutscenes only)
 * The Simpsons Ride (2008, amusement simulator ride film produced for the attraction of the same name at Universal Orlando Resort and Universal Studios Hollywood)
 * The Simpsons: Tapped Out (2012, freemium mobile game produced for Fox Digital Entertainment and Electronic Arts) (cutscenes only)

Commercials

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 * Ask Jeeves (2000) (five-minute branding reel)
 * Burger King (2001–2003)
 * Butterfinger (1992–1994, 1998–2001, 2007)
 * CC's (1998)
 * C.C. Lemon (2000–2002)
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 * Expedia (2003)
 * Garfield Fruit Snacks
 * General Foods
 * Honey Nut Cheerios (1993) (Garfield ad only)
 * Intel (1998)
 * Matchbox (2002) (CGI sales presentation animated by Forum Visual Effects)
 * Microsoft (2003)
 * Mirinda (2005–2006, 2008)
 * Partnership for a Drug-Free America (2002)
 * RC Cola (1999)
 * SeaWorld (1998)
 * SHO Too (2002)
 * Toyota (1992–1993)
 * Trix (1991)

Unreleased projects

 * Blues Brothers: The Animated Series (Canceled due to irreplaceable casting of the original actors)
 * Max Degree TV (Cancelled due to lack of international backers)
 * Big Bug Man (Canceled after actor Marlon Brando died during production)

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Neal Stephenson
Neal Stephenson's science fiction novel The Diamond Age: Or, A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer gives an account of a book constructed with nanotechnology that speaks to its owner with lessons that are age-specific.

I can't see how the above is in any way relevant to the article. It isn't even a prodigious prophecy, since the quoted book is only ten years old.

Dynabook
A visionary article appeared in the late 40's or early '50s that described a portable electronic book. I think the author was at MIT. My memory may be playing tricks on me, but I have always thought that the term "Dynabook" was used in that article. RWM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.123.17.170 (talk) 21:02, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

The drawing looks like a Kindle reader
Has Alan Kay ever mentioned Amazon Kindle in an interview? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 02:30, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

touch interface
Did alan key envision a touch interface? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.8.169.149 (talk) 16:58, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

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List of Game Titles
Someone needs to compile a list of game titles. Since there were only 18 titles released in the United States according to the article, it should be pretty easy.

Bad title
Even though the Apple Pippin is "the world's worst game console", this article shouldn't have this title. Peter O. (Talk) 02:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC) It's now moved back. Peter O. (Talk) 02:48, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Missing information
Where are the high end exercise treadmills that came equipped with the Pippin hosting a web browser? I saw them at product launch. - Sparky 15:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Applejack
Is the Applejack interface in any way derived from the USB, or are the connectors just superficially similar? boffy_b 11:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

 * The connector predates USB by a year or two, and is completely different. It's only similarity is a rectangular shape.
 * --Flightsoffancy (talk) 18:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

See Also section
I changed the text that said "see also" to a correctly capitalized header, and changed the Apple, Inc. text into a link.

Icktoofay 05:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Made in Ireland
I notice the pictured Pippin says this on the back - where they all made in Ireland, or was it just prototype models of them? I know Apple has/had a production facility in Ireland (Cork I think). --Zilog Jones 21:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The Atworld and @mark was made in Japan, the Katz KMP2000 was in Ireland, as well as some accessories.
 * --Flightsoffancy (talk) 18:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Kind of a very late response, but I need to set the record straight... All of the Pippins were assembled by Mitsubishi in Japan. Bandai decided to let Mitsubishi produce the hardware for them. Katz Media hired Bandai to make systems for it on an OEM basis. The printed circuit boards for many of the Apple products during the 1990s - including the Pippin logic boards were made in Ireland and Singapore. This is why one can't confuse the Pippin effort with the Macintosh clone effort. Although both have licensing to third-parties in common, the difference is that Apple made the Pippin logic boards and then gave them to the licensees, while the Mac cloners made everything from the chip-up. This way, Apple still had control of the Pippin's fundamentals - which was agreed upon between Apple and Bandai. Groink (talk) 08:22, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

"and ran a cut-down version of the Mac OS"
False, the o.s. was cut-down System 7, the first Mac OS (System 8) was only released in 1998. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.79.68.29 (talk) 15:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, the first “Mac OS” was 7.6 (which still wasn't what the Pippin used.) It was also the first time Apple charged everyone for system software :-(. 72.235.10.209 (talk) 10:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Three years to respond... To clarify a few things here: Mac OS is synonymous with Macintosh System Software. In oral and written dialogs, we say "Mac OS" or "Mac system software" to mean any version of the operating system. I've never heard anyone say or write something like, "This model can run Mac OS or Macintosh System Software."
 * It is true that 7.6 was the first version to use "Mac OS". However, there's good reason for why 7.6 was the first. It was the first version to be allowed to run on Apple-licensed Macintosh technology made by 3rd-party manufacturers, also known as the Mac clones. Systems built by the clone makers had 7.6 and later included. Because the clone systems weren't "Macintosh" systems and were even not allowed to use "Macintosh" in their marketing, Apple had to change the name from "Macintosh System" to "Mac OS," in order for the whole clone idea to work. Groink (talk) 07:13, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Other Titles
It is my belief that the encyclopedic voice disapears when it is said "as mentioned before". Is there a way to rephrase this?--Nblschool (talk) 14:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Major Pippin salesman and collector start contributing.
Hello everyone.

I was involved in pippin since nearly the beginning. I became a sales man and wrote a very long, a precursor of the Blog, new page. I have most of the Pippin accessories as well as about 60% of all the pippin titles made, 100 in my possession. I have 3 pippins, one is the KMP2000, perhaps the most rare console ever for a NON-prototype.

I will being adding my experience, which unfortunately has little media backup, but I can provide other evidence as desired.

The story needs to be told. Cheers! --Flightsoffancy (talk) 15:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

OOOOOKAY! I did MAJOR, MAJOR work on the Pippin page. Everything I typed can be corroborated, but with paper material and pictures. I will continue to add little bits at a time, but the foundation is set. IF you question something, DISCUSS FIRST. If I cant prove it, then allow me to change it. If you have more to add, please do.

The CPU is the 603, not 603e. slowest of all the PPC's cpu's used by Apple. Cheers! --Flightsoffancy (talk) 21:05, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Aw come on, man. The 603 wasn't THAT bad compared to the 601, give the poor little guy a break. 72.235.10.209 (talk) 10:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

"Bandai Pippin", or just "Pippin" is appropriate, not Apple Pippin
Apple never made the Pippin, but the OS and ROM was Apple. Bandai made it, it was advertised as such, so it is in fact a BANDAI Pippin. Alternatively, it can be called simply "Pippin" (The front of the Pippin says "advanced technology by Apple Computer") --Flightsoffancy (talk) 21:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe this is just a mistake in terminology. Apple did indeed make the "Pippin." As I mentioned in another section of this talk page, Apple designed the entire platform. What Apple did was license the platform to other companies. Bandai was one of the licensees. The only thing Bandai really made were the games and the trademarks like @WORLD and ATMARK. Bandai didn't even make the shell and the logic board - this is why the Bandai hardware footprint is virtually identical to the developer unit made in Ireland. Also, Apple controlled the entire developer base. The tools, the specifications, the compilers (APW) - all were run out of Apple. Bandai had no interface with the developers. Apple controlled everything because, if it didn't, then you would've had fragmentation between licensees, much like what you're seeing Google's Android platform go through. Apple Pippin's life was very short, but if it was alive for a few more years, you might have seen Apple Pippin appear not only in other products other than Bandai, but possibly in other form factors, such as cell phones, hand-held devices, tablets, etc. It is the very short lifespan and the limited release of products that cause misunderstandings of what Pippin really is. Groink (talk) 07:29, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

PowerPC 603 and relation to latest VGC
Guy Harris:

The PowerPC 603 later became the 603e, and with changes in the cache structure became the PPC750, aka PowerPC G3 (and some Power Mac upgrades simply replaced the 603 with PPC 740 (G3), which in turn was developed to the G4 with the addition of the AltiVec. It does become difficult to trace the versions, but it is reasonable to say that aspects of the 603 eventually resulted in the VGC CPUs.

Thank you for doing better grammar on description. If the above information helps to trace the lineage between Pippin and (say) Xbox, please add to as needed. --Flightsoffancy (talk) 23:12, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

 * What are "VGC CPUs"? The GameCube, at least according to its Wikipedia page, has a 750-based "Gekko" CPU; the PS3 has a Cell processor, the PPE of which might be 603/7xx-derived but which also has the additional processor elements; the Xbox 360 has a Xenon processor which, again, might be 603/7xx-derived.  For the latter two, at least, a citation is necessary.  Guy Harris (talk) 03:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

 * PowerPC_G3 clearly states the Nintendo GameCube and possibly Wii is based on the 750, the descendant of the the 603. Now to find Xbox and PS3... --Flightsoffancy (talk) 17:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The PPE and Xenos (spelling?) are in-order CPUs, while the 603 is some kind of tagged out of order CPU - IOW quite different. I therefore strongly doubt that they're 603 derivates, POWER6 OTOH is also in-order so the PPE might be a derivate of that chip.--Anss123 (talk) 08:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * He's right, all G3 and later chips are directly descended from the 603. The 604-based “Habanero” half of the G3 line (for desktops) was killed when Apple decided the laptop-focussed, 603-based PPC 740's astonishing performance was “good enough.” Admittedly, some parts of Habanero were cobbled together with the G3 to make the G4, and some features from the POWER4 were combined with the G4 during the G5's design, but the entire G3/4/5 series is mostly an evolution of the 603's minimalistic design.

 * As for modern consoles, Gekko/Broadway is just a die-shrunk G3, while Cell and Xenon are refabs using drop-in G5 cores (yes, even SPE, which is yet another name for AltiVec/VE/VMX.) 72.235.10.209 (talk) 10:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Move back to Bandai Pippin
I posted a few weeks ago this is a BANDAI Pippin.

I understand the belief it is an Apple product, but it never was that. This is truly a BANDAI product, made FOR Bandai, in Japan, with Bandai related software. Please do not bounce this back.--Flightsoffancy (talk) 17:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Can anyone make an argument for Apple Bandai Pippin? If not, I will get this moved back to Bandai Pippin, which seems more accurate. Rhindle The Red (talk) 02:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

 * I have yet to find any photos of a Pippin's with any Apple labeling anywhere on it, so that counts against it. On the "for it" side, there are reviews in periodicals that refer to it as the Apple Pippin, and Apple used to have a a support page on their site at http://www.info.apple.com/pippin/, which has since been taken down. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 06:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

 * The picture of the back of the Pippin in the info box has Apple labelling on it. On the full resolution picture you can read: "Pippin is a registered trademark in the U.S. and other jurisdictions, and the Pippin logo is a trademark of Apple Computer Inc. used under licence" JP Godfrey (Talk to me) 22:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Just plain “Pippin” seems like the least flamey choice to me. 72.235.10.209 (talk) 10:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Platform vs Console
I think some editors are not looking at this article in the same way myself and some others do. This article is about the Pippin platform - technology that, when put together, makes up the Pippin platform. The logic board, the modified Macintosh system software, the firmware, the API, the CDs - all of this make up the Pippin platform. This is very much like Apple's Macintosh or Google's Android - both of them are platforms. Platforms is the foundation from which products are built - or consoles in this case. I think some editors don't see it this way because they're looking at the Pippin from a product perspective. This article is not about the console. The Bandai Pippin ATMARK, or the Bandai Pippin @WORLD - these two devices are examples of consoles derived by the Pippin platform. This article is not about the consoles. This is why, in the introduction paragraph, Pippin is referred to as a platform. If the Pippin was a success, one would have found Pippin being implemented in other form factors, such as phones or hand-held devices like the Nintendo Gameboy. Those are not consoles! Groink (talk) 05:44, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * [This source says that they are all the same console, but different models using different names. If the article was only about the platform then it wouldn't have included the price, nor would it use sources that all call it a console, nor would the articles title include "Bandai". If you feel that there should be a separate article for the platform only, then you should create one, but this isn't the article to try and prove a point. [[User:Jojhutton| JOJ ]] Hutton  23:18, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This link is a copy of the original Apple FAQ, before Apple took the web site down. This article is slowly becoming one about the platform, and I'm even planning on moving the namespace to "Apple Pippin", and have a section about the different consoles like Bandai. As for the price, there should not be a price in the article, and per Wikipedia's "Wikipedia is not a price guide" guideline, I'll remove the pricing information, which is consistent with the iPhone and iPod touch articles. Groink (talk) 01:58, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't move the article, but create a new one that is solely about the software. This articles title and sources say that it was a console, because the article is about the console and not just the software. Always has been. If you want an article about the software, then create one, but don't change this article. JOJ   Hutton  02:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, when you say "software," the Pippin is more than just software. Apple designed the logic board, modified Mac OS 7.5, and wrote the specificaitions for developers to write software for the platform. 90-percent of this article is already about the platform, and not about Bandai in particular. The only difference between Bandai and Katz is that Bandai sold more units. Otherwise, with the exception of the external SCSI interface, there is no hardware difference between Bandai and Katz. So, for this article to stay as "Apple Bandai Pippin" despite Bandai only being a tiny part of the article doesn't make sense. As for the "console" argument, we may as well write an article for the Katz Media Pippin. See my point? The platform is the foundation, and the consoles ride on the foundation. The only reason why "the article is about the console and not just the software. Always has been" is because, really, none of the editors knew any better. I don't mean that in a bad way, but the creation of the article was for the wrong reason, and only now are we correcting it. Groink (talk) 02:34, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Whatever you want to call it, "platform" or "software", doesn't change the fact that this particular article is and always has been about the hardware or the console. That is how it was created. I'm not disputing that "Pippin" is the "platform" used in the Bandai Pippin, but that information is a separate article, if you wish. Just as IOS is the software or platform for the iPhone. I haven't seen any data or sources confirming the Katz though.-- JOJ  Hutton  02:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I've created Apple Pippin. Much of the content has been copied from this article, but I removed the console, CD-ROM games and other parts from it. Only the platform specifics are in the new article. Groink (talk) 02:56, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Great. I'll add it to my watch list. Shouldn't have too many issues with it.-- JOJ  Hutton  03:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Logo guidelines
Before any editor even thinks about modifying the Pippin logo, read the official logo guidelines. http://www.macgeek.org/museum/pippin/downloads/pippinguidelines.pdf The current logo shape and color were a result of this document. Groink (talk) 03:54, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Applebag Tickler?
I can't find any documentation anywhere about any vibrating or haptic feedback version of the Applejack controller, and if such a thing exists, I'm certain it isn't called an "Applebag Tickler" I tried to edit it out, but my change was reverted back. I'm the noobiest, and I'm still not sure what I'm doing, or how to request a reference citation. Surely If someone claims that there is a vibrating controller for the Pippin called the "Applebag Tickler" the burden of proof would be on them, right? (69.144.113.114 (talk) 00:09, 21 October 2015 (UTC))

 * Yes, both the "Applebag Tickler" and "AppleBlaster Light Gun" appear to be vandalism. I first just put a "citation needed" on "Applebag Tickler", as the name seemed implausible even for a Japanese-American co-production, and it seemed unlikely given that the PlayStation DualShock controller wasn't even introduced to Japan until the end of 1997, and North America in 1998.  After that, though, I tried Googling, and found only 7 results for "Applebag Tickler" and 4 for "AppleBlaster Light Gun", all apparently dating after they were added to the article on 2015-08-06 by 99.226.119.233, an IP address on Rogers Cable in Toronto, Ontario, Canada (I would have found it slightly more plausible if coming from Japan and maybe talking about Japan-only accessories).  When you, 69.144.113.114, removed Applebag Tickler on 2015-10-19, 99.226.109.215 (also on Rogers Cable in Toronto) had reverted your edit within hours, meaning they probably had an email alert set up to keep their vandalism maintained.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.226.119.233, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:99.226.119.233, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.226.109.215, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:99.226.109.215 show an obvious history of vandalism and re-vandalism, some not reverted yet.  I suggest this Talk page entry be left here for a while despite the "Applebag Tickler" and "AppleBlaster Light Gun" having been removed in case this persistent vandal returns. -Dan Harkless (talk) 19:41, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

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jailbroken
the pippin was recently jailbroken (private keys reversed). I tried editing but fucked up the citing https://blitter.net/blog/2019/05/04/exploring-the-pippin-roms-part-7-a-lot-to-digest

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Square pixels?
What did it use? rectangles? --Gbleem 15:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It would appear so. See, for example, this page from Dartmouth College. —Grstain | Talk 15:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * BROWSING COMPUTERS 129.205.201.252 (talk) 11:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Aw, it's so cute when they're this young, isn't it? Yes, of course non-square pixels were rectangular instead, either wider or taller than the now-standard square. It used to be pretty common on old machines, and the savvy programmer would account for this when drawing graphics, if they were making a program where it actually mattered (or were using hardware that actually allowed pixel-level graphics anyway). You have your wide/short pixels of a Vic20, or VCS, or a C64/MSX/CPC/BBC/etc in low-rez mode, or even a 4:3 PAL TV broadcast/videotape/DVD (and more particularly any widescreen broadcast or recording, or any DVD at "half D1" resolution)... and more commonly the narrow/tall pixels of the Lisa/stock XL, a PC CGA or EGA card in hi-rez mode, an Atari ST or Amiga in medium rez (and arguably all four of those plus VGA/MCGA in low rez, if you adjusted the monitor for minimal borders, plus the Hercules Mono card and, technically speaking at least, the MDA text-only adaptor with which it shared a signal generator), or a 4:3 NTSC broadcast/recording. It's only since the rise of VGA that square pixels have been a given anywhere except with the Macs... (I was going to say "VGA and LCD", but then realised even the early LCD screens had rectangular pels, and technically speaking a modern colour LCD is made of pixels three times taller than they are wide, covered with a stripey red-green-blue filter gel... And some of those used e.g. on camera viewfinders have a hexagonal arrangement instead, aping that of old non-trinitron CRT TVs and monitors). Oddly I think one other place you got square ones was on certain old consoles, despite their having resolutions that would on a more regular computer lead to non-square-ness, hence their employing rather wide horizontal borders... e.g. the NES and SNES... TMYK and all that. 87.113.33.192 (talk) 22:58, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

 * The answers above aren't accurate; the Lisa always had rectangular pixels but Apple offered a modification that altered its resolution to 608x431, i.e. to square pixels, for use with MacWorks. Sources seem to disagree about whether that became a standard feature as the machine became essentially only a Macintosh. See e.g. the marketing image https://3894a8e173f5f8870a41-c88208a08312eda3cf96a15131ffd631.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/mac-xl1513185191571.jpg — compare and contrast the aspect ratio of the text in that to the text on a Macintosh. It's identical. That's a Lisa with square pixels. — 100.8.186.224 (talk) 01:56, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Macintosh XL versus Lisa 2/10
Was there any physical difference, even from a cosmetic standpoint, between the Lisa 2 and Mac XL? Did the XL have a different product sticker label on the underside? Could it still run the Lisa OS? Did it even ship in a different box with different manual?

From the article the only difference mention is the inclusion of different set of floppy disks in the box.--Apple2gs 21:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Better Picture
Here, there is an image of an actual Macintosh XL. Can we replace the current one iwth this one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ensign Q (talk • contribs) 19:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

What was their actual eventual fate?
OK, so the article text says that the line was discontinued despite unexpectedly high demand when Apple ran out of parts with which to make them, but then the timeline box has a note that the unsold units were buried at a landfill, Atari ET style. You can't have it both ways, so which one is it? 87.113.33.192 (talk) 23:01, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

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Where can I find an image of the Belgrade McDonald's logo?

Etimology and history
I have heard a bit different "legend" about the name: Both the riverboats and a cap were named after a gull (Shaika, similar to Russian Tchaika), common inhbitant of Danube area. The cap has the top similar to gullwing-therefore the name. History: It is part of a military uniform sets which were imported into Serbia from Austro-Hungary during the rule of Obrenovic dynasty (it is assumed that it was standard uniform there at the end of the 19th century). Caps of similar, although somewhat changed shape (with foldable top - which resembling gull wings) were, and perhaps even today are, in use in some European armies, most notably german and russian.

Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro
Does (Deliso 2009) really say that it's worn in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Montenegro? In my experience, "native" usage of this cap is confined exclusively to Central Serbia. Sure, there might be isolated people elsewhere who worn it, and it certainly got re-popularized in 1990s, but before that it was not worn outside of Serbia proper. Specifically, rural Montenegrins would wear a Montenegrin cap, hardly ever a Šajkača. No such user (talk) 11:36, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Good point. Deliso says "The sajkaca has been Serbian men's national hat since the eighteenth century and, unlike other traditional dress, is still worn by old people in the countryside." I'm assuming this means the Serbian countryside. The bit about Bosnia and Herzegovina and Montenegro comes from the old version of the article before I rewrote it. Thanks for picking that up. 23 editor (talk) 16:07, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

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