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Talk:Charles Goodnight

"Wives" In the "personal life" section it only mentions him being married to Molly but then goes on to say "had his wives write letters". So was he married several times? If so that should be mentioned and if not this grammatical error should be corrected.

“Football” Why is the word “football” found twice in this article? I have never edited on Wikipedia; is this word inserted as vandalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirzchua (talk • contribs) 05:31, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

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Charles Goodnight enlisted in the Frontier company of the Texas Rangers and was not a confederate soldeir. Haley's work and the Handbook of Texas will confirm this statement.

-prior post unsigned

The last assertion in the statement: Goodnight is also known for guiding Texas Rangers to the Indian camp where Cynthia Ann Parker was recaptured, and for later making an incest with her son, Quanah Parker. has no references and is inflamatory. There is no Cynthia Ann Parker or Quanah Parker references to any incestuous relationship between them. And the addition of that statement, aside from defaming the Parkers, casts no relevant light on Charles Goodnight's life. Mdutch (talk) 22:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, It was BOT vandalism. "an incest" was "a treaty". Fixed now. Mdutch (talk) 23:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I have several points. First, in response to a statement above, anyone who served in a Frontier company or regiment, guarding the frontier from Indian attack, was enlisted in the armed forces of the Confederacy, and they were later eligible for a pension based on their Confederate service. Its a simple matter of historic fact. But, I wouldn't say that he "joined the Confederate States of America." I believe that only states "joined the Confederate States of America." The second point is that the article states that Goodnight is "the best known rancher in Texas," and then later says that he "is particularly known in Canyon and Amarillo." (First of all, I'm a big fan of Charles Goodnight, but I think that Captain Richard King is a better known "rancher in Texas." But, I don't think that a contest to see which rancher in Texas history is best known by the average pierced-nose, spiked haired, video-game playing twenty-something-year-old American voting citizen is a worthwhile endeavor. The most important rancher in Texas history may be a virtual unknown.) But, back to my point. On the one hand, the article says that he is the best known, and then it says that he is best known in Amarillo. So, my question is, which is he, a famous Texas rancher, or a local small town hero? Further, his career as a cattleman and frontiersman included much more than just the later years of his life operating out of his his ranch in the panhandle. He is also well-known in Palo Pinto, Texas, where he settled on his Black Springs Ranch in the 1850s, and from where he started the Goodnight-Loving cattle trail. Third, the article states that he "became a cowboy" in 1856. I'm not sure that I would word this quite this way. He didn't just wake up one day and "decide" to "become a cowboy" (instead of a butcher, a baker or a candlestick maker). He had been raised in Texas in the 1840s and '50s and brought cattle with him to Palo Pinto County in 1856. I don't think there was any one point at which you could say that he "became a cowboy." Fourth, the highlighted link to the "Goodnight-Loving Trail" goes to an article about a song, not about the Goodnight-Loving Cattle Trail. Fifth, the caption below the picture of the New Mexico Historic Marker states that the Goodnight-Loving Cattle Trail "extended from the Texas Panhandle" and into Colorado, etc. The Goodnight-Loving Cattle Trail started at Goodnight's ranch in Palo Pinto County, past Fort Belknap and down through Horsehead Crossing on the Pecos River. From there it went up into New Mexico and then north to Colorado, etc. It never extended through the Texas panhandle. He undoubtedly trailed cattle from his later ranch in the panhandle, but I don't think that he trailed them south to Horsehead Crossing on the Pecos. Sixth, the article states that "following the war, he became involved in the herding of feral Texas Longhorn cattle." I just had to laugh here. I guess it is true, they can technically be called "feral" as they had been allowed to reproduce without branding during the several years of the war. But I don't think anyone has ever called them "feral" before. But, it was worth a good chuckle. Who wrote this? There are too many cooks stirring this pot. It reads like it was written by several people, each of whom was away from the switch when the other was tinkering with it. Ahhh, Wikipedia. "Feral" cattle - guhhaw. Seventh, they did not drive their cattle "northward" along the Goodnight-Loving cattle trail. They drove them westward, and even somewhat southwestward. Got a map? Eighth point: Goodnight did NOT "carry" the body of Oliver Loving back to Weatherford. He SENT the body of Oliver Loving from Fort Sumner back to Weatherford. He did not accompany it. The casket was packed in charcoal and encased in tin cans soldered together. See, this is what is wrong with Wikipedia. People can just write whatever they want. It is why I stopped "editing" long, long ago. People felt free to just come along and change history to whatever suited them.

PGNormand (talk) 01:48, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Note that the summary lists his place of death as Phoenix, Az but the article says he died in Goodnight, Tx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garyscoggin (talk • contribs) 07:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

 * I looked up the citation that supposedly supported Goodnight dying in Goodnight, Texas here . It said he died in Phoenix, Arizona. I found a lot of sources that support Phoenix, many more than support Goodnight. I will now adjust the article. See these sources though:

 * Goodnight Charles - Texas State Historical Association
 * Charles Goodnight - Humanities Texas
 * Inventory of the Charles Goodnight Correspondence
 * Spartacus Educational American History
 * Charles Goodnight - Legends of America
 * Charles Goodnight - Wild West History
 * Charles Goodnight - Know Southern History]

Religious affiliation
The article currently states that Goodnight joined the "Apostolic Church, Christian Conventions"—which brings up the questions: which was it, and what is the source for this information? I've inserted a request for a citation in the article. • Astynax talk 17:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've clarified and supplied a reference to the sect which he joined. • Astynax talk 21:21, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Was Goodnight a murderer?
In my continuing (though erratic) research on Western history, I recently read The Cowboys, one of TIME-LIFE's "The Old West" books. The author (William H Forbis), a supposed expert on Western history, states that Goodnight was morally responsible for murder. On page 62 we read: "Goodnight was no better than the rest. Once when his wife expressed shock at some vigilante hangings ("I understand," she exclaimed, "they hanged them to a telegraph pole!") Charlie replied quietly, "Well, I don't think it hurt the telegraph pole." What she didn't know was that the victims had actually been strung up with Goodnight's full approval."

If this is true (though the book has text credits and a bibliography, there is no specific reference for this statement), it destroys the image of Goodnight as a gruff-but-kindly "spiritual" person. The author should look into this. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 15:52, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I would think that Time-Life would be enough of a reliable source, and certainly the view of the journalistic credentials of William H. Forbis make him a notable source (even if the National Cowboy Hall of Fame attacked the book as demeaning). Go ahead and insert the incident sourced to the The Cowboys and if there are other sources that dispute Forbis, we will hear about them. • Astynax talk 19:59, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've edited the article. This quote appears in at least two (apparently hagiographic) biographies of Goodnight, though without the spin Forbis puts on it (and without acknowledging the utter callousness of the remark). The lynching took place near a ranch where Goodnight and his wife were staying. It appears that, although Goodnight did not order the lynching, he knew of it and could have stopped it. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 14:33, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

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Incomplete and possibly misattributed chuckwagon sentence
In the section on William T. Hagan's assessment of Goodnight, there is the mysterious sentence "Goodnight's invention of the chuckwagon, the original version drawn by twenty oxen and carrying provisions for eighteen men for a 600-mile drive.[10]" This sentence has no verb. Furthermore the next sentence is in the same section but seems to have wandered off the topic of Hagen's assessment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Felsenst (talk • contribs) 20:26, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

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The Ancient and Primitive Rite, also called the Order of the Ancient and Primitive Rite of Memphis-Mizraim, is a Masonic Rite first popularized by John Yarker. It has been considered irregular by Masonic organisations such as the United Grand Lodge of England since at least 1860.

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HMS Ravager (D70) was an Attacker-class escort carrier built in the United States (as part of the Bogue-class escort carrier) and operated by the Royal Navy during World War II.

Ravager was initially constructed in the U.S. by Seattle-Tacoma Shipbuilding in Tacoma, in 1942. She was purchased by the U.S. Navy and was converted to an escort carrier at Commercial Iron Works, Portland, Oregon. Upon completion in 1943 she was transferred to the Royal Navy and named HMS Ravager.

The ship initially served as a convoy escort in the Atlantic theatre. Later in the war she was used mainly as a deck-landing training carrier. In February 1946 she was returned to the US Navy and sold for civilian use in July 1947, being renamed Robin Trent and later Trent. She was scrapped in 1973.

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Ravager (AVG-24) was laid down as MC hull 240 on 11 April 1942, by Seattle-Tacoma Shipbuilding Corp., Tacoma, Washington. She was intended to be named Charger, but was named Ravager when launched 16 July 1942; sponsored by Mrs. C. G. Mitchell; acquired by the U.S. Navy and transferred to the United Kingdom under lend-lease on 25 April 1943; and commissioned in the Royal Navy the same day.

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These ships were all larger and had a greater aircraft capacity than all the preceding American built escort carriers. They were also all laid down as escort carriers and not converted merchant ships. All the ships had a complement of 646 men and an overall length of 495 ft, a beam of 69 ft and a draught of 25 ft. Propulsion was provided by one shaft, two boilers and a steam turbine giving 8500 shp, which could propel the ship at 18 kn.

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During World War II, Ravager, redesignated on U.S. Navy records as CVE-24 on 15 July 1943, operated in the Atlantic protecting Allied shipping from German U-boats. After the war ended, she arrived Norfolk, 9 February 1946, and was returned to the U.S. Navy there on 27 February, the day she was decommissioned by the Royal Navy. Ravager was sold to William B. St. John, of New York City, 1 July 1947, and was placed in merchant service as Robin Trent.

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These terms describe the same topic. Therefore they should be covered in the same article. (t · c)  buidhe  06:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

 * I agree, though there's some content at Superstar that should go elsewhere. e.g. the section on "Superstar" art museums should probably be merged into art museum (assuming it's considered sufficiently noteworthy and reasonably well-sourced). Overall, I think Superstar has a major WP:NAD problem, which causes it to spread itself thin over a number of topics that are only superficially related (including major celebrities, people who are exceptionally successful in any field, art museums, CEO compensation, and superstar as a word). Colin M (talk) 17:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

 * I disagree. I know this debate has stalled, but i think it is good to separate a true "star" from a mere celebrity (to where star (person) redirects. I suggest that a person may have celebrity within a limited field, but a "star" will have more widespread and lasting appeal. Likewise, a Michael Jackson or a Robin Williams is a bigger "star", say, than a Johnny Carson. So let's keep Superstar, and perhaps create a category for Star (person) as well. Verne Equinox (talk) 23:56, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that there are shades of difference in meaning between star and celebrity, but that doesn't necessarily mean they need to be treated in separate articles. There are differences in meaning of nude and naked, but they redirect to the same article. I think it ultimately comes down to sources. Do sources consistently distinguish between "star" and "celebrity"? Are there many sources that exclusively deal with one concept and not the other? I would say the answer is "no". Colin M (talk) 18:36, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose, on the grounds that Superstar is an independently notable subset of Celebrity, and readers are best served by covering the topics separately. My view is that the current structure works. Klbrain (talk) 11:18, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. A superstar has a much higher status than a run-of-the-mill celebrity. Michael Jordan is the former, Sasha Vujačić the latter. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:05, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

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レイチェル・クルーズ純資産   レイチェル・クルーズ（純資産） レイチェル・クルーズは、金融トピックの作家および講師としてよく知られており、業界で有名になりました. 彼女は、2021 年にはベストセラー作家のリストに入るだろうと述べた. 1988 年 4 月 4 日、米国テネシー州で、レイチェル・クルーズがこの世界に登場しました. 彼女は愛情深い両親と2人の兄妹によって育てられた3人の子供のうちの1人でした. クルーズ氏は、個人金融に関する講演者および著者として名を馳せています. 彼女は現在、配偶者とともにテネシー州フランクリンに住んでいます.

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Needs link to celebrity culture article
There is not even one mention of the celebrity culture article on this page. Which rightfully should be worked in (at least) at the very top of the lead (to lay out and define the term)...ideally as early as the 2nd sentence.

Which term embraces the proliferation of celebrity and the obsession with it that has galloped with new technologies (the Internet, the smartphone (and its amateur-generated pictures and videos wildly outpacing the output of the professional paparazzi), social media (as itself, as a platform for advancing celebrity, and as a source datamined every day for reposting pictures, video, sightings, etc., from it in mainstream media), and celebrity-based media itself (such a "E!", "TMZ", "Page 6" "POPSUGAR", and countless others), in the new millennium.

Which introduction could use a more alive and "depictive" definition than the prosaic "Celebrity culture is a high-volume exposure to celebrities' personal lives on a global scale" the celebrity culture article begins with (which scarcely captures what it is).

I can't introduce the content here: the page is blocked to unregistered users. But the need for it obviously begs. Who can step up to make this improvement? 2601:196:180:DC0:9C7F:40DD:5C45:641C (talk) 15:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Needs link to cult of celebrity article
Per the above, there is not even one mention of the cult of celebrity article on this page. Which likewise rightfully should be worked in (at least) in the lead (to lay out and define the term, which is a subset of celebrity culture, the latter an important subset of "celebrity").

The "cult of celebrity" is both a function  of and response  to "celebrity culture". And indeed is a very important dynamic in 21st century media and culture (not so nearly narrow as someone attaining their "15 seconds of fame" as it is overly proscribed at that page).

It is (well, of course should be) impossible for an article on "celebrity" not to even once mention the "cult of celebrity" (however defined). The closest the current content gets is a brief (unlinked, even) mention of the concept of the "cult of personality" tracing to "the Romantics of the 18th century".

That's it. Zip.

For something that has (again) both spawned, fueled, and expanded (via boomerang back to itself) reality TV...("The Kardashians"? "Real Housewives of New Jersey".  "Dancing With the Stars".  "Top Chef"...), and is absolutely an exploding aspect of the culture of celebrity which is coming to evermore drive 21st century life, media, "culture".

I can't introduce the content here: the page is blocked to unregistered users. But the need for it obviously begs. Who can step up to make this improvement? 2601:196:180:DC0:9C7F:40DD:5C45:641C (talk) 15:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

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The New What Next

The New What Next is the sixth full-length studio album by Hot Water Music. It was released by Epitaph in 2004. This was Hot Water Music's final release before temporarily disbanding in 2006, and their last new release until 2012's Exister.

Personnel

 * Chuck Ragan - guitar, vocals
 * Chris Wollard - guitar, vocals
 * Jason Black - bass guitar
 * George Rebelo - drums

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Opa-locka station

Opa-locka station is a Tri-Rail commuter rail station in Opa-locka, Florida. Parking is available at this station, which is located near the intersection of Ali Baba Avenue and Sharazad Boulevard. The current station opened for service in 1996 directly adjacent to the former Opa-locka Seaboard Air Line Railway Station.

Historic station
The Seaboard Air Line Railroad depot in is located at 490 Ali Baba Avenue. Constructed in 1927, the station house is typical of the Moorish Revival architecture prevalent throughout the city of Opa-locka. On June 25, 1987, it was added to the U.S. National Register of Historic Places.

This property is part of the Opa-locka Thematic Resource Area, a multiple-property submission to the National Register.

Station layout
The station has two side platforms with a small parking lot and bus bays west of the southbound platform and a crossover accessing the northbound platform.

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Illegal Art

Illegal Art is a sampling record label that was started in 1998. The label gained immediate notoriety from legal threats surrounding Deconstructing Beck, a compilation made exclusively from sampling Beck's music. This was followed by two other theme-based compilations, Extracted Celluloid and Commercial Ad Hoc. All three were co-released with Negativland's Seeland Records label and sponsored by RTMark. After these theme-based compilations, Illegal Art focused on artist releases. One of the most popular artists on the label is Girl Talk (Gregg Gillis), who in 2006 released his third album, Night Ripper, to critical acclaim on the label, earning a Wired magazine Rave Award a year later.

Illegal Art also released the Steinski Retrospective, spanning his work from 1983 to 2006. It includes the legendary "Lessons", which have been described as "one of the most desirable and prized bootleg recordings in hip hop" (Antidote). It also contains a variety of other essential tracks, and his critically acclaimed Nothing to Fear: A Rough Mix, an hour-long mashup that was produced for Solid Steel/BBC London and hailed as "the closest to a masterpiece the genre has produced."

As of March 2024, Illegal Art's website states that the label has been on an "indefinite hiatus" since 2012.

Artists

 * The Bran Flakes
 * Girl Talk
 * P. Miles Bryson
 * People Like Us
 * Steinski
 * Wobbly
 * Legion of Doom

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Al Matthews (actor)

Alexander Basil Matthews (November 21, 1942 – September 22, 2018) was an American actor and singer, best known for his appearance as Gunnery Sergeant Apone in the James Cameron film Aliens (1986). He reprised his role 27 years later, providing the voice of Apone for the video game Aliens: Colonial Marines (2013). Matthews' portrayal of Apone was the inspiration for Sgt. Avery Johnson of the Halo franchise.

Military career
Matthews was a member of the United States Marine Corps who graduated at Parris Island on May 25, 1966, and served during the Vietnam War. On his website, he stated:

"I spent six years in the United States Marine Corps; I hold thirteen combat awards and decorations, including two purple hearts. I was the first black Marine in the 1st Marine Division in Vietnam to be meritoriously promoted to the rank of sergeant; I served with Kilo Battery, Fourth Battalion, 11th Marines, 1st Marine Division, of that I am very proud."

Music
Similar to US supply sergeant Chuck Bennett who was stationed in Germany, sang soul music and had a couple of chart hits as well as acted,  Matthews was stationed away from his home and he had an earlier career in music.

In 1975, he scored a musical hit in the UK Singles Chart, "Fool", which reached number 16 in the fall of that year. One of the session singers on the record was Maxine Nightingale who had appeared in the German production of Hair in the early 1970s. Pierre Tubbs who produced Matthews' hit was impressed with Nightingale and he asked Nightingale's Hair co-star, J. Vincent Edwards to co-write a song with him which turned out to be “Right Back Where We Started From”.

In August 1976, Al Matthews & the Last Word were appearing at the Clouds in Brixton, The Pavilion in Bath and the BLue Lagaoon in Newquay.

In 1977, he recorded the single "It's Only Love". Backed with "Stormy Days and Lonely Nights" it was released on Mercury 6007 152.

In 1978, he released the single "People Are People" / "Run to You".

At some stage, Alan Mair played bass in the Al Matthews Band.

Film
Matthews played various acting roles, such as Ferguson in Rough Cut (1980), a workman in Omen III: The Final Conflict (1981), a Vietnam veteran in The Sender (1982), a fire chief in Superman III (1983), Benedict in The American Way (1986), Sergeant Apone in Aliens (1986), General Tudor in The Fifth Element (1997) and Master Sergeant #3 in Tomorrow Never Dies (1997). He also worked in British television, appearing in Grange Hill as Sam Green, the father of Benny Green, as well as in theater and radio; for the latter, as both an actor (on BBC Radio 4) and a presenter (on BBC Radio 1 and Capital Radio).

Death
On September 22, 2018, Matthews was found unresponsive by a neighbor in his Orihuela, Spain, home. Matthews had retired there in 2005 after working in the United Kingdom. He was later pronounced dead at age 75. Local reports claim he had battled severe illnesses over the years.

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Bibb

Bibb may refer to:

Places in the United States

 * Bibb County, Alabama
 * Fort Bibb, Alabama, constructed in 1818
 * Bibb City, Georgia, in Muscogee County
 * Bibb County, Georgia

People

 * Bibb (surname)
 * Bibb (given name)

Ships

 * USRC Bibb (1845), a Revenue Marine cutter transferred to the United States Coast Survey in 1847
 * USS Bibb (1853), a Coast Survey vessel, sometimes considered to be the same vessel as the first Bibb
 * USCGC Bibb (WPG-31), a Coast Guard cutter commissioned 10 March 1937

Other uses

 * bibb, bibcock, hose bib
 * Bibb, a variety of butterhead lettuce
 * Bibb Correctional Facility, a state men's prison in Brent, Alabama
 * Bibb County High School, Centreville, Alabama
 * Bibb Manufacturing Company, a defunct American textile company

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Pensnett

Pensnett is an area of the Metropolitan Borough of Dudley, West Midlands, England, 2.3 mi south-west of central Dudley. Pensnett has been a part of Dudley since 1966, when the Brierley Hill Urban District, of which it was a part, was absorbed into the County Borough of Dudley, later the Metropolitan Borough of Dudley from 1974.

Pensnett Chase
The present Pensnett covers a small portion of what was a large common called Pensnett Chase in Kingswinford parish, but contiguous with Dudley Wood in Dudley. As such, it belonged to the lords of the manor, descending as part of the Dudley estate from medieval times. With Dudley Wood, it is probably the woodland mentioned in the Domesday Book as belonging to those manors. There is a rifle range on the chase at barrow bank which was being used for practice firing by volunteer regiments from at least 1860 through till 1920 with many Martini–Henry bullets being found by local metal detectorists.

The name Pensnett is from the Celtic 'pen', for hill and the Anglo-Saxon snaed for 'a piece of woodland'. For many years, it was used as commonland, for animal grazing and a hunting reserve of the lords of Dudley. Pensnett Chase was inclosed under the Pensnett Chase Inclosure Act of 1784. This reserved mining rights to the lord of the manor, but included a clause to compensate people for mining subsidence. The mining of coal and ironstone was long established, and probably goes back to medieval times.

History of Pensnett
The present settlement of Pensnett dates only from the period after the inclosure of Pensnett Chase. Pensnett was made part of the parish of St Mark's, Pensnett in 1844. Towards the end of the 19th century the area began a period of dramatic change. Several factories were built in Pensnett and the factory workers were mostly employed in the iron and steel industries. Many terraced houses with shop fronts were developed along the village's High Street around the start of the 20th century, but the biggest changes were yet to come.

After World War I, Brierley Hill Urban District Council followed the example of almost every local authority in Britain and built houses which were to be rented to working-class families. Several hundred council houses were built in the Pensnett area between 1920 and 1966, although a large percentage of the village's homes were privately owned.

Location
Pensnett lies in the Brierley Hill DY5 postal district. Because it is close to the Merry Hill Shopping Centre, built during the 1980s, the roads around Pensnett are often congested. As long ago as the early 1990s, there were plans to build a relief road around Pensnett, but nothing has yet come of them.

Trading estate
The Pensnett Trading Estate has gradually expanded since about 1970. It was mostly developed in the 1980s. It includes many industrial and commercial businesses, and since 2000 has included a National Express West Midlands bus depot which replaced a depot in the Merry Hill Shopping centre.

Pensnett Halt railway station closed in 1932 and the freight sidings closed in 1994 although some sections of track remain buried in the undergrowth.

Education
The nearest primary school is Bromley Pensnett Primary School, situated just around the corner from the site of Pensnett High School.

The local secondary school was Pensnett High School in Tiled House Lane which was previously known as Pensnett School of Technology and Pensnett Secondary Modern School, having opened in 1932. The school changed from Pensnett School of Technology to Pensnett High School in 2007. However, after much speculation about its future, it was scheduled for a phased closure beginning in July 2011, with the 12- and 13-year-old pupils transferring to new schools in September that year, and no 11-year-olds being admitted. However, the school's oldest two year groups remained at the school to complete their studies before it finally closed completely in July 2013. Most children living in the Pensnett area now attend Crestwood School in Kingswinford or Holly Hall Academy in Dudley.

The local authority's Learning Support centre was situated on Birds Meadow from 1978 until 1989, within the buildings of the former Birds Meadow Infant School which dated back to the 1930s. The site was redeveloped for private housing in the early 1990s.

Barrow Hill Local Nature Reserve
Barrow Hill Local Nature Reserve is situated in Pensnett, near St Mark's Church. The hill in the reserve is formed by an extinct volcano, which erupted around 315 million years ago.

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Dosage (album)

Dosage is the fourth studio album by the American alternative rock rock band Collective Soul. The album was released on Atlantic Records in February 1999 and peaked at number 21 on the Billboard albums chart. The album's title was derived from a catchphrase they used to describe burnout after their previous tour.

The first single from the album, "Heavy", gave the band another number-one hit on the Mainstream Rock Tracks chart and spent a then record-breaking 15 weeks on the top spot. "Heavy" was also featured in the opening of the video game NHL 2001 and in the 2014 Golden Corral ad. The second single released, "Run", also gained broad mainstream radioplay and was featured on the soundtrack for the 1999 film Varsity Blues.

Over nine years after the album's release, the single "Tremble for My Beloved" was featured in the 2008 film Twilight and its accompanying soundtrack.

In 2012, the band performed the album in its entirety (save "Dandy Life") during their Dosage Tour.

Recording
Dosage marked a change in recording and style for Collective Soul. Unhappy with the production and sound of the previous album Disciplined Breakdown, the band focused more on production and technique for the recording of Dosage. The result led to an arduous six-month recording period where according to guitarist Dean Roland: "The way we recorded Dosage, we were really meticulous about everything that we did for that record." More than before, the band progressed to a high production pop-rock sound. This status was obvious with the extensive use of loops, Pro Tools effects, and synth-pop sounds, especially in comparison with the band's previous three albums, which are more organic and raw in sound. Ed Roland also said, "Anthony brought an unbelievable spirit and attitude. He has more gadgets than we do so we all had a good time just plugging stuff in and seeing what sounds would work." Dean Roland said of working with Anthony J. Resta, "We started working with Anthony in 1999 or 1998 when we recorded Dosage and we just met him through another friend of ours. And initially, he just came in to help us with some programming ideas and drum arrangements, he's an amazing drummer and he's got that natural rhythmic thing going on. So he came in there and helped us with some of those things and that relationship just grew into other things you know like ultimately co-producing and co-writing with us. He's just a great soul, a great spirit to have around when you're working and creating".

Guitarist Ross Childress wrote two songs that were considered for Dosage, "Dandy Life" and the unreleased song "Tell". Ed Roland gave Childress the option to include one of the two songs for the album, so Childress picked "Dandy Life", which featured him on lead vocals.

Track listing
All songs written by Ed Roland, except where noted.

Generate edition bonus disc

 * 1) "Shine" (from Hints, Allegations, and Things Left Unsaid) – 5:07
 * 2) "Gel" (from Collective Soul) – 3:00
 * 3) "The World I Know" (E. Roland, R. Childress) (from Collective Soul) – 4:16
 * 4) "Precious Declaration" (from Disciplined Breakdown) – 3:41

Personnel

 * Ross Childress – lead guitar, backing vocals, lead vocals on "Dandy Life"
 * Shane Evans – drums, percussion
 * Ed Roland – lead vocals, guitar, keyboard
 * Dean Roland – rhythm guitar
 * Will Turpin – bass guitar, percussion, backing vocals
 * Anthony J. Resta – programming, synthesizers, drum loops, Mellotron

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Talk:Clapham Junction railway station

Busiest
'It is possible that measured in numbers of trains, it may be the busiest railway station in the world.' - it would be good to have some more clarification on this. It's possible that pigs may fly, but it would be nice to have some concrete evidence :) Can anyone provide some? Andrewferrier 17:56, 2004 Dec 21 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of websites claiming that Clapham Junction is Europe's business railway station. For example but I can't find any data to back that up. --Etimbo 00:36, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The figure of 2,000 trains passing through each day looks correct. Since nearly all pass through between 6 am and midnight it works out as a train every 30 seconds. Obviously, the question is, what station can beat that? None in the UK obviously. The obvious candidate is Shinjuku Station in Japan which is undoubtedly the winner in terms of passengers dealt with per day (2 million) - but not necessarily in number of trains passing through.

Exile 18:59, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I think that Shinjuku Station has far more than 2000 train movements per day. A quick count of the number of trains on the Chuo and Yamanote lines gives a total of 1400 train movements, and that is only for 2 of the 4 train lines from 1 of the 6 companies that operate trains from that station. I think JR alone could beat the 2000. The Odakyu, Keio and Sobu train lines are each easily as busy as Chuo, which would make it at least 3200 train movements. An example of the Yamanote timetable in one direction: http://www.jreast-timetable.jp/0605/timetable/tt0866/0866100.html Mattopia 00:09, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

As I understand it, Clapham Junction is only the name of the station, not of any particular junction in that locality. The names of the junctions I can find are: 82.36.26.229 01:27, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Falcon Jn (at the south end of the station where the WLL joins the Brighton Slow Lines)
 * Ludgate GW Jn (at the eastern end of the Windsor Line platforms with the WLL and the LCD)
 * Latchmere Jns (where the three curves join the WLL)
 * West London Jn (the junction that Eurostar empty stock leave the Windsor Lines at to get onto the WLL)
 * Pouparts Jn (where the low level and high level approaches to Victoria split)

 * I thought Clapham Junction claimed to be the busiest Junction station in Europe, not the busiest station. There is a slight difference Simply south 10:24, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

 * As long as I can remember thae claim has been that it is the busiest station. However it can probably lay claim to being the busiest junction in the world as most other contenders for busiest station are terminuses. Jooler 12:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Still in discussion. This may still be able to claim the busiest junction in the UK as according to the Office of Rail Regulation station Usage 2004-05, Clapham Junction was the busiest station in terms of number of people interchanging. This figure came to 8,682,661 interchanges. Simply south 02:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

The 2005-6 figure was 9,453,333 interchanges. Assuming these were mainly between 6am and midnight, this is 1,800 transfers per hour or one every 2 seconds.

Exile 14:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Reopening the debate - according to bahn.hafas.de 140 trains stop here every hour during most of the day, and 120 per hour in the evening. So - 140 per hour 6am to 6pm (1,700), 120 per hour 6pm to midnight (700) plus about 100 midnight to 6am - 2,500 train movements per day, not including those which pass without stopping.

I certainly would claim this is a record for Europe, for a "surface rail" station, and indeed for anywhere outside Japan. India has some very busy stations but has very long trains packed to capacity (and more). Caveat - Zurich Hbf appears to have up to 100 departures per hour. Do we count 2 for each ie is an arrival and a departure a separate train movement?

However subway/metro stations with several lines meeting might beat this - for instance Kings Cross/St Pancras has a train every 2-3 minutes in each direction on these lines

1. Circle/Hammersmith and City/Metropolitan 2. Northern 3. Piccadilly 4. Victoria.

which would be 280 trains per hour. If Kings Cross/St Pancras is regarded as a single interchange including the main termini plus the Thameslink station this would rise to around 350 per hour... Chatelet/Les Halles in Paris has 3 RER lines and 6 metro lines - which would suggest about 400 trains per hour.

Exile 14:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Zürich Hauptbahnhof has according to many internet references more than 2900 trains per day. That seems significantly more than any estimate for Clapham 86.26.2.200 (talk) 22:40, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

As well as the rail traffic (2915 per day according to its wikipedia page) Zurich is a much bigger station, & includes shopping complex, tram termini. Mattymmoo (talk) 20:31, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Gatwick Express at Clapham Junction
Does the Gatwick Express now stop at Clapham Junction? If so, is there now a part of Clapham Junction for passport checks? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alec - U.K. (talk • contribs) 14:04, 8 October 2006

 * No & no. --Tagishsimon (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 06:27, 10 October 2006
 * You don't have to go through passport checks to use the Gatwick Express anyways... It's only a train. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.85.130 (talk) 23:50, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Access improvements to CLJ
Network Rail has recently announced a major package of improvements to access at Clapham Junction, including re-opening the Brighton Yard entrance on St Johns Hill and installing lifts to the platforms by 2009. See at page 20. Dmccormac 21:13, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

 * That's good news. I saw some simple but well done handrail improvements at Weybridge station this morning. Nice when a railway station is better than it was when last you used it. --Tagishsimon (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:02, 11 April 2007

via Gatwick Airport ?
The list of train services (which is probably unnecessary for an encyclopedia) says that trains from Clapham to Southampton (among other places) go via Gatwick Airport. I'm sure I'd have noticed if my train home went to Gatwick. In reality I think the Southampton train is the right one if you wanted to go to Gatwick Airport, but to actually get there you need to change, maybe at Basingstoke? So the train certainly doesn't go _via_ Gatwick Airport. 82.68.41.201 22:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

 * It's not just South West Trains that go from London to Southampton. Some Southern trains go from Victoria to Southampton via Gatwick Airport - the 08:17 Mondays-Fridays, for example. . As for the list of train services, yes, it is perhaps excessive. If you're willing to come up with a way of demonstrating the wide variety of services without the long list, it would be useful. Cheers, A bit iffy 07:04, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There's 1tph all day every day from Victoria to Southampton via Gatwick Airport. Has been since they were diverted from Sutton in the late 80's. You just haven't noticed them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.85.130 (talk) 23:52, 8 March 2014

Blue, fetching? I prefer green.
The end of the history section states the follwonig abuot the Arding & Hobbs store "The cupola is now illuminated at night in a rather fetching shade of blue." Surely stating a colour as being fetching or attractive is a personal preference and has no place in the article? Deckchair 11:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

 * It's clearly POV and should be removed. --Tagishsimon (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 04:44, 29 June 2007

naming issue
It is myth that the station was named Clapham Junction as Clapham was more desirable, it is the sort of thing townies say in Clapham.

Clapham Junction was the name of the railway junction, ie, the railways have names for the junctions and it is this point that the route to Clapham is junctioned off. It's like, the Wandsworth Road is not in Wandsworth, it is the road to Wandsworth.

They didn't have to name it Clapham Junction, even though that makes sense, but they couldn't call it Battersea Junction as there already was one. When it came to building a station, well, there where already 3 stations called Battersea, so, that would be a little confusing, and back then there was only Clapham High St, or not even, not sure. So. 84.13.161.96 (talk) 02:13, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

 * One problem with your assertion is that none of the railway junctions around Clapham Junction are called Clapham Junction - see Clapham_Junction_railway_station and the 1914 map of junctions provided. If I recall correctly, the naming story is asserted in a History of Battersea book in my possession, but not to hand right now. Other problems with your account: CJ station was opened a few years before Battersea Park station and before Queenstown Road (Battersea). CJ and Battersea Railway Station were opened in the same year. And whereas now, CJ is pretty much the centre of Battersea, 150 years ago it was not, and the High Street and village were. Municipal buildings congragated around CJ because of the station. So it is reasonablee that the Battersea name was given to the High Street railway station.

 * And, of course, the junction between the east-west lines going through CJ, and the north-south line going through Clapham is about a mile east of CJ. Way back, Ludgate Junction was the point at which eastbound trains could be pointed in the direction of Clapham. So there's again no good fit with your theory.

 * In fact, on pretty much all points you seem to be wrong, talking out of your hat, and generally in error.

 * Given all of that, I am interested to know why it is you think it is a myth, and/or what sources you have to back up your assertions. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:45, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Just to reopen a closed issue with some unverified information... I heard that it was called Clapham Junction after a stop on the coach route mentioned in the article e.g. that the fact it is called Junction is not because of the trainline. I will try to find something to back this up. 82.23.150.147 (talk) 10:09, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Images
I have uploaded and added four more images, and have also taken the liberty of changing the 'main' image in the infobox to one of the south western entrance, on the grounds that (1) it's more illustrative of the Victorian architecture that still makes up the majority of the station than the modern northern exit, and (2) the southern exits are far more heavily used and therefore probably the 'main' part of the station (the previous northern exit photo's now in the Gallery). Not sure where the Gallery best sits in the flow of the article - I have added it after the explanation that there are multiple exits, but it may sit better at the very end. The article could possibly do with an aerial photo of the station, given that the sheer concentration of lines is one of the station's most distinguishing features, if anyone is aware of one that can be suitably sourced.Curran2 (talk) 14:17, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * See WP:Galleries. Galleries are normally placed towards the end, but before the appendix sections such as References. However, since these images are all in commons:Category:Clapham Junction railway station, a template is usually preferred to a gallery; and the article already has one. -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:01, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

AWB Malfunction
Can someone help fix this page's issue that it just displays the infobox?

Thank you.Vincent60030 (talk) 08:01, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * It was not an AWB malfunction, since was not an AWB edit. I have put the infobox back to how it was before: please don't rearrange it again without good reason. -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:09, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Bad writing
"The railway companies, to attract a middle- and upper-class clientele, seized the unindustrial parish calculating that being upon the slopes of Clapham's plateau would only re-inforce this distinction, leading to a long-lasting misunderstanding that the station is in Clapham."

What is this actually attempting to describe — the siting of the station, the naming of the station, both or neither? Whichever, it's one of the most pretentious passages I've read in a long while. Harfarhs (talk) 19:05, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

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Clapham Junction Railway Station Housing Estates
Hello, are you currently aware that the railway station page already had a section on the (more general) housing estates for the entirety of the wider area of Battersea? "The large Battersea Power Station brought slums, the population of which rose from 6,000 in 1840 to 168,000 by 1910 [this population figure is for the whole former Borough of Battersea, not just the far more specific area that I tried to include by the way]. Battersea's slums unfit for human habitation were entirely replaced with council and charitable housing between 1918 and 1975."

As you have chosen to leave this unchanged, could you also please explain to me the significance of those dates please? The only three housing estates that have any obvious or more tenuous links to the station today are the: Winstanley and York Road Estates, Latchmere Estate and Shaftesbury Estate, none of which were started in 1918 (the end of the first world war!?) or finished in 1975. The Winstanley Estate has an obvious link to Clapham Junction because it is the immediate Northern exit and entrance of the station on Grant Road, has been linked with crime levels on the Estates by the Metropolitan Police and the London Riots of "CLAPHAM JUNCTION" in 2011 originated on the Estates. Unfortunately, the associations with the Shaftesbury Park Estate and Latchmere Estate are not as strong. However, the Shaftesbury was built between 1872-1877, almost immediately adjacent to the Brighton Yard Entrance and largely due to the new workers that the station attracted, especially when the area around the station was not particularly developed and is also one of the earliest examples of social housing in the UK. The Latchmere was the brainchild of John Burns, who not only worked at Clapham Junction in his youth, but also grew up in a house on Grant Road, on what is now part of the Winstanley Estate.ref>

Please respond or I will change the page to include reference to the Winstanley and York Road Estates using some of the references that I have already provided for you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kip1234 (talk • contribs) 01:56, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

 * Please sign your edits and contributions using four tildes (~). I reverted your edit because it added information not immediately pertinent to the article's topic, which is Clapham Junction railway station. I stated this in my edit summary. Yes, I was fully aware of the "History" section in the article. You have been selective in your quote above: the article actually states: "Whereas the station brought wealthy streets to Battersea its adjoining (entirely modernised) manual railway works and the large Battersea Power Station brought slums". The section makes a general observation of the effect the station's construction had on the surrounding area, the "Clapham" name being used by the railway companies to improve the marketing of their product, and the negative aspects of its being built. No further expansion is needed in this specific railway-related article. There are other articles where your information might be better placed (such as Battersea, which is linked from the railway station article). If you have enough referenced information for a new article on your specific subject, then be bold and create it. I see you are a new editor on Wikipedia: please remember to be courteous, and not issue ultimatums such as "Please respond or I will change the page". Bazza (talk) 09:24, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

 * Bazza (talk) 09:31, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

 * I haven't been selective at all. The first sentence includes a far more general area and population (the entire former Borough of Battersea and its population), rather than the specific page that I wanted to add, i.e. the specific streets next to the station that then became the Winstanley and York Road. The second sentence is also far more general in talking about unspecified council housing (again in the entire Battersea area), additionally using some dates that have no relevance to any council housing associated with Battersea or Clapham Junction railway station for that matter. I am not seeking to expand the article, merely improve a section that is already there (in the second sentence that you haven't contradicted) with valid referencing and a link to a relevant page, considering that the immediate "slums" around the station DID become the Winstanley and York Road Estates. I would suggest that you either remove all reference to the public/council housing section as it is much more general than my correction or actually include some valid references so that it is not considered a factual inaccuracy. As it is a very small section of the page and is already included, I'm not sure that a new article is needed under the content splitting policy, if that's what you're referring to. Additionally, doesn't the acceptable content forking policy of related articles allow for relevant information to be published on more than one page, without creating unnecessary multiple pages? If I am not aware of something because I am a new user, as you appear to be inferring, I would just like an explanation of why you would oppose an edit that has multiple sources whilst allowing statements that are inaccurate and have no sources whatsoever to remain. I also apologise for my lack of courtesy and will say that the signing suggestion is appreciated. Kip1234 (talk) 17:00, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You are indeed seeking to expand the article (by adding information not currently there). I have no problem with your material, nor the references you've provided. But they do not belong on the page about Clapham Junction railway station. See WP:OFFTOPIC. I have already suggested two pages where your material might better fit, including one directly concerning the Winstanley Estate. If you think even the general two sentences about housing development directly related to the railway station are likewise inappropriate, then remove them. Bazza (talk) 17:45, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

 * Last set of questions: Why are they "directly related" when there isn't even a reference provided to support that? Why is linking the Winstanley Estate in a small correction with references considered "WP:OFFTOPIC" but linking: Lavender Hill, Guildford The Falcon and Battersea Power Station considered "directly related" or "on-topic"? Why are you automatically opposing any page expansion when the WP:BOLD policy to which you earlier referred me to, also says that editors should be "bold" in updating pages as well as creating new ones? I would be tempted to remove quite a lot more of that section apart from the third paragraph and half of the fourth, due to the fact that it is not WP:V and could be considered WP:NOR for the history of "Clapham Junction" that you would like to be true, but actually is unsupported by any WP:RS. Please don't ask me to read any of the Wikipedia policies that you have already mentioned, none of these will directly address the questions that I've put to you (as I have already read them). The WP:OFFTOPIC policy in particular advises editors to "err on the side of caution", which would be especially true considering that I have included multiple valid references and writing from a nuetral point of view.

Thanks Kip1234 (talk) 22:20, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

 * Since you haven't had a chance to answer any of my questions, just notifying you that I will be WP:BOLD and delete parts of the history section based on the criteria that you have proposed. These will be for all the sentences that have no WP:RS and are therefore not WP:V and also have links that are apparently WP:OFFTOPIC according to your reversion. Please see the WP:NOR policy for why this is necessary.

Kip1234 (talk) 23:50, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

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Show Dogs (disambiguation)

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 * show dog
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South Haven

South Haven or Southaven may refer to:

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Heatherton Village

Heatherton Village (or Heatherton) is a residential area of Derby, England, located at the southern end of the village of Littleover, and approximately 3 mi south west of Derby city centre. It comprises a range of modern housing, several public parks, shops, churches, a school and a nursery.

History
During its development in the 1990s the area was initially referred to as "Hollybrook", a more pleasant deviation from the name of Hell Brook, which runs through the area near Littleover Community School and through parts of the Heatherton estate.

The area is situated off the A5250, three miles south-west of the Derby city centre, with easy access to Burton and Birmingham via the A38 and to the M1 via the A50.

The majority of the Heatherton development is highly sought-after property, and has been popular among professional footballers. During Derby County F.C.'s first stint in the Premiership from 1996 to 2002, Heatherton was home to Fabrizio Ravanelli. Other players who have lived there include Christian Dailly, Giles Barnes and Mart Poom.

Education
Griffe Field Primary School lies within the estate on Grosvenor Drive, built as a part of the initial development by Birch plc (since acquired by Edinburgh-based Miller Homes) but since expanded to double its original size early in the 2000s.

Community facilities
There is a small shopping arcade on Hollybrook Way, at the south-western entrance to the estate, across the road from the Haven Church, the Hollybrook pub and a doctor's surgery. An Aldi supermarket was opened on a greenfield site adjacent to the Hollybrook pub in 2022.

Since the late 1990s, Heatherton has been served by a bus route operated by Trent Barton, known as "The Harlequin". It circles the estate and runs to a terminus on Gower Street in Derby's city centre during daytime from Monday to Saturday.

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Talk:History of Kansas

Flowery
This language of this article is, shall we say, a bit flowery for an encyclopedia. "The sweet assuring smile of peace fell on Kansas..."?

 * Isn't there a "sweet assuring smile of peace" in the heartland ... ;-] ... JDR

 * Sounds like cribbing from an unidentified source.

4.249.63.20 (talk) 13:02, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

 * The opening (preceding the paragraph beginning "Located on the eastern ...") is what passes for history only in the minds of people who devise license-plate slogans. A real historian doesn't believe there is any such thing as "the Kansas Spirit". A real historian believes that there is stuff that happened in Kansas and people who did that stuff. It's not good or bad or grandiose or inspiring, it is merely nothing less and nothing more than what happened.74.64.104.99 (talk) 20:46, 30 April 2019 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson
 * I don’t know enough Kansas history to rewrite it. If you do I’d suggest you WP:Be Bold and change it! Grey Wanderer (talk) 22:40, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The idea of a "spirit of Kansas' is from a highly regarded essay by a highly regarded real genuine historian's historian Carl L. Becker--he taught at U Kansas for years before going to the Ivy League and training many scholars.  Several biographies have been written. In the American National Biography (1999) we learn that in 1910: he published an essay entitled “Kansas” .... That essay, reprinted often, captured the essence of a state peopled by New England immigrants who withstood the battles over slavery during the bloody 1850s and emerged triumphant, the embodiment of the state’s motto: ad astra per aspera. Yet Kansas also seemed parochial to Becker, a place where everyone conformed to certain norms and where “freaks are raised for export only.” Rjensen (talk) 23:45, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Troubles in Kansas
The "Troubles in Kansas" section mentions that Indians are still roaming, plundering, and murdering our pioneers in Kansas today.

Call me crazy, but perhaps this should go in past tense.

 * Yep ... I don't think the Injuns are roaming, plundering, and murdering anyone ... JDR 15:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Originality of content
I doubt the content of this article is original or rephrased. It seems a bit of a cut-and-paste dealio. I'd like the author to confirm it's originality, or do a better citation of it's source lest we suffer the plague of plagurism! --Duemellon 18:49, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

No plagurism ... the article began with Cutler's 1883 text (public domain). JDR 15:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Patowamie Masscare
Has it's own page. I suggest we move the bit about it to that page & reduce this page's explanation (as the stub-article is pretty small). However, I'm a bit hesitant to do it myself as I have just noted I'm concerned this might be a copy-paste article. --Duemellon 18:49, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Cutler's 1883 text is in the public domain.
 * I moved, IIRc, the text. JDR 15:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Fort Leavenworth
To the anonymous user, please note the Fort Leavenworth is already mentioned in the article; you keep adding text that is an exact duplicate of text found four paragraphs above. That is why I deleted it. Kgwo1972 19:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Bogardus Massacre
I am very new here. However, should we forget the Bogardus Massacre? How does one include it without stepping on the original work?

http://www.lasr.net/pages/city.php?Beloit&Kansas&City_ID=KS0806003&VA=Y&Attraction_ID=KS0806003a008

This would be your reference: Bell-Bogardus Indian Massacre and Cemetery, August 12, 1868. Put the info @ Solomon River (Kansas) or at Willow Springs (Beloit, Kansas) or here in the proper timeline. State that the Arapahos and Cheyennes attacked the settlers. The massacre victims were buried in Bell Bogardus Massacre Cemetery on West Asher Creek near the Asherville Township, section 21-7-6 (close to 30 rods north of the section line near Old Highway 24). You could also note that the Bell Bogardus Massacre Cemetery in Mitchell County was the first one in the county. J. D. Redding 19:27, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Nicodemus
I changed the wording in the Exoduster section to correct the misinformation on the town of Nicodemus. Nicodemus was not founded by the Exodusters. The Exodusters arrived in Kansas in 1879, two full years after the 1877 founding of Nicodeums. The town of Nicodemus was an organized settlement that came to Kansas directly from Kentucky, whereas the Exoduster Movement was unorganized from many parts of the South. Plus, the Exodusters were dirt poor and had no money to start a town on their own. Read any of the academic references listed on the Nicodemus, Kansas page for confirmation of this. StudierMalMarburg 18:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Nero Mammoths
Hi guys,

I sort of have a question for you!

This sentence appears on History of Kansas and History of Arizona: In a sense, the hunters who pursued the Nero mammoths may have represented the first of north Great plains cycle of boom and bust, relentlessly exploiting the resources until it has been depleted or destroyed.

Now, here is my question: what on earth were Nero Mammoths? The only places on the web were these poor beasts are mentioned are... History of Kansas and History of Arizona!

Thank you for answering or commenting... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.254.71.2 (talk • contribs) 14:33, August 16, 2007 (UTC)
 * I have changed the term to mammoths and left a note at User talk:Reddi asking for clarification. Flyguy649 talk contribs 16:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I would have done that myself but I prefer not to contribute in a non-mother language. I left a note to Reddi myself before. This is weird, the whole think doesn't sound like Reddi coined the term himself, but Nero mammoth are truely inconnus au bataillon! Thank you anyway, Hervé 194.254.71.2 07:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Yep ... don't know about the "nero mammoths" ... there were mammoths though ... must have slipped though ... thanks for the catch. The hunters did pursued the mammoths ... and it may have represented the first of north Great plains cycle ... I'll see if I can get a references for it ... till then it can stay out ... J. D. Redding 15:03, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Map
Here's an interesting map (File:UnitedStatesExpansion.png) that shows historical territorial expansion of the United States of America. It might be an alternate map for the article. • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  • 21:34, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

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Added new information
I added information about the ancient Wichita city of Etzanoa in present day Arkansas City, Kansas. I even cited a source for the information and the archaeological research.Epictrex (talk) 18:57, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * A brief overview and mention of Etzanoa would be appropriate here, with a link to the article about the site. But that's not what you did, you copy and pasted the entire Etzanoa article here.

 * First, you can not just copy and paste an entire tangentially related article into another article, as it violates a number of policies here. It strips author information from text added by other editors.
 * Second, THERE WAS NOT ONE CITATION OR REFERENCE IN THAT TEXT AT ALL. So not only did you copy and paste an article, you took the time to strip out all of the references when you did. Go here, WP:CITE, read this page. Citations are those little bits of code with titles, authors, publishers, and often url links, to said reference publications. They look something like this: when viewed in edit mode. That is a citation for a book. That's what we are asking for. Unless it is formatted someh8itng like this, it is not referenced. If you go here Citation templates, you can see a number of templates for how to cite books, journals, websites, etc.  He  iro  19:59, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Camden, New Jersey

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RCA
Some mention of RCA might be in order. IIRC, the Camden record label was named after the city and they had a pressing plant there. I remember seeing a large tank with the RCA logo from across the river.

Photos
Do we really need the first picture to be of the prison? Can anyone find a better picture?

Camden famous persons' list incomplete
I think boxing champion hall of famer dwight qawi (born dwight braxton)grew up in camden - altough born in baltimore - should be included in the famous persons' list. His monicker was 'the camden buzzsaw' and fought against george foreman, matthew saad muhammad and evander holyfield among others.

 * I agree, Dwight Qawi should be included. Also, the great American haiku poet Nick Virgilio should be mentioned - reference http://www.nickvirgiliohaikuassociation.org/

 * What about Bruce Gorden president of NAACP graduated from Camden High 1964.

 * You should add Crystal Waters, singer to the list. She grew up in North Camden and attended Morgan Village Middle School. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sallymarcal (talk • contribs) 19:54, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Tone seems negative
The overall tone of the article seems rather negative which would violate WP:NPOV. FunkyChicken! 05:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I live in Haddonfield, and trust me, the tone seems negative because that is the overall tone of the city's current state. To ignore that would be falsly presenting the city. Aufs klo 22:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Dead on! Jersey John (talk) 09:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately, there is a lot to be negative about. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:16, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

 * Camden used to be a great thriving city and in due time it will return to its status as one of the greatest cities in New Jersey. R.KennedyCFD

I heard that the Camden governmental structure was taken over by the Feds, due to rampant corruption. Is this true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.23.105.146 (talk) 08:52, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

This looks accurate
It looks like a very accurate and neutral article to me... I cannot see anything that says otherwise.

66.50.230.85 21:47, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Fictional characters
Is there a significant number of fictional characters from Camden? The only one that I am aware of is Dawnn Lewis' character Jaleesa Vinson from the TV series A Different World. 14:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The Cooper River
Camden is over 15% water, not all of which is the Delaware, the Cooper River is also a significant (moreso in terms of recreation) river which runs through Camden. All along it's banks (and thorugh camden as well) there are parks, and the river is very popular for rowing and crew teams (the Camden County Boathouse is located in Camden along the Cooper). Perhaps it could be put into the georgaphy section, or maybe a small section could be added about the river in Camden? Aufs klo 22:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Tragedy in Camden
Is it relevant to devote so much space to a sordid news item in a city article? Maybe it would sound better to put it in a different article (if any) (such as "Camden Tragedy of July 2005") and, perhaps, if needed, refer to it in the main Camden article. I'd suggest dropping this "tragedy" from this text. --Camcom 14:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree….First, why pick just this tragedy,…not to sound frivolous…..but we are talking about Camden here, which has a tragedy everyday, why highlight one over the other. Second, you have already stated the crime statistics which is a tragedy in and of it-self. Get rid of the paragraph regarding the deaths of these three young boys.Shoessss 20:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree that it should be a separate article if it is retained. In its current state, however, I wouldn't feel comfortable creating an article myself since there are no sources cited. I would rather see it developed with sources first to demonstrate notability. Accurizer 17:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Riversharks.JPG
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Ongoing vandalism by fraternity members
See Talk:Cooper University Hospital for information about persistent vandalism on another Camden-related article, presumably by the same person or persons who keep vandalizing Camden, New Jersey. It appears to be an ongoing campaign by members of the Tau Kappa Epsilon fraternity. Typical tactics involve inserting false allegations of gang violence in Camden or swapping existing photos for the same image of earthquake ruins, often with misleading edit summaries. Still more information is here and here. —Whoville (talk) 00:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

 * I've semi-protected this page for 3 months, per your request on WP:AN. Please let me know if the problems persist. -- The Anome (talk) 00:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Translation into Chinese Wikipedia
The 22:10, 3 November 2008 Darkpharmer version of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia.--Wing (talk) 16:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Riverfront State Prison
This subsection under the section heading "Crime" needs updating.

In 2009, the State of NJ announced its decision to close the prison due to lowered inmate population statewide and at the Riverfront State Prison and because of the widely-held belief that such a valuable piece of property would provide greater value to the community if redeveloped.

Here is a link to one article on the subject:  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davetskinner (talk • contribs) 17:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Contradicting line
The Demographics section says this city is 50% non hispanic black and then says it is 42.82% Puerto Rican. This needs to be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.146.74.177 (talk) 18:36, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Municipal Budget and Finance Info Needed
To Whom It May Concern; I enjoyed the Camden N.J. article/info page quite a bit. However, I would like to see some basic information on the Municipal budget rather than snippets and small pieces. Annual budget figures, total municipal government employment, average municipal pay rates, etc., could help readers make some reasonable comparisons with other cities in the country.

Thanks a bunch. 50.46.214.129 (talk) 21:48, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Mistake; Vie
In the section 4.1 "Government" # "Local government", it says "Vie President"; does this mean "Vice President"?--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 06:27, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Camden, USA
Quote from beginning of article: Although once a thriving center for manufacturing and industry, Camden is perhaps best known for its struggles with urban decay and political corruption.

Three Camden mayors have been jailed for corruption, the most recent being Milton Milan in 2000.[24] From 2005 to 2012, the school system and police department were operated by the state of New Jersey.

Camden public schools spent $23,770 per student ($19,118 on a budgetary per-pupil basis) in the 2009–10 school year[25] In 2012, the city's graduation rate fell to 49%, well below the state average of 86%.[26] and the national average of 93%.[27] In 2012, 3 out of 882 SAT test-takers were scored "college-ready", defined as a combined score of 1550 or higher on the three sections of the test, a standard met by 43% of students taking the exam nationwide.[28] Among residents, 40% are below the national poverty line.[29]

Camden had the highest crime rate in the United States in 2012, with 2,566 violent crimes for every 100,000 people,[30] which is 560% higher than the national average of 387 violent crimes per 100K citizens.[31]

Then going further down & reading about corruption, crime... What a sad article!

Welch eine Schande!

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/camilo-jose-vergara-tracking-time-in-braunschweig-fotostrecke-120145-9.html

--90.2.119.16 (talk) 07:27, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Camden, New Jersey
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Camden, New Jersey's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Committee": From Mendham Township, New Jersey: Mendham Township Committee, Mendham Township. Accessed January 20, 2015. From Waterford Township, New Jersey: Committee Members, Waterford Township. Accessed March 11, 2015. From Pennsauken Township, New Jersey: Township Committee, Pennsauken Township. Accessed July 8, 2014.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:45, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Civil unrest and crime
User:Patrug restored some text regarding the riot of September 1969. While it may be important to put this event on the page, there are two issues with its current implementation:

1) It is definitely not neutral. "Camden experienced a fatal anti-police riot in September 1969." The word "fatal" and the phrase "anti-police" put flags up for me. If it is a direct quote, then fine, but it needs to have quotation marks if it is.

2) Why is this information preceding a paragraph about the Riots of 1971? There is a two-year gap here. The riot of 1969 should have its own bullet point above the Riots of 1971. Each point in the heading Civil unrest and Crime is chronologically ordered. I also fail to see the relationship between the two riots. If there is a relationship, it should be stated at the end of the new paragraph for the riot of September 1969.

We should definitely consider adding a paragraph for this topic. At the very least, we need to reword the sentence that exists.

Scary Ghosty (talk) 22:08, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the note. I'm impressed with your work for this Rutgers course, and I agree with a couple of your points above. Please consider, though:
 * According to the 1969 New York Times reference, the 1969 riot was triggered by reports of "police brutality", leading to "thrown bricks at police patrol cars cruising through the area", escalating until two people including a police officer were killed by an unknown shooter. Feel free to rewrite or expand my summary sentence in the article – but what's "not neutral" about accurately calling this a fatal anti-police riot?
 * According to the 2007 Courier-Times reference, the riots of 1969 and 1971 "deepened Camden's divisions", in the context of "cities that had seen manufacturing shut down and middle-class white families flee to suburbs". What's wrong with Wikipedia following the Courier-Times by describing the riots as an important pair of similar events speeding Camden's decline just two years apart?
 * According to the 1973 New York Times reference, the "Camden 28" break-in occurred on August 21, 1971. Wouldn't it be helpful for Wikipedians to realize this was during the 1971 riot?
 * According to a local historian's 2011 introduction to the Courier-Times article, "The two riots were the worst events to hit the city of Camden until crack cocaine hit the streets in 1985–1986. The Riot of 1969 fatally weakened Camden. The Riot of 1971 mortally wounded Camden. Crack cocaine was the coup de grace." Given the subsequent middle-class flight that decimated the city's economy, wouldn't it be misleading for Wikipedia to present the riots as isolated & disconnected events?
 * According to Wikipedia:Prose versus lists, "Prose is preferred in articles, as prose allows the presentation of detail and clarification of context, in a way that a simple list may not. Prose flows, like one person speaking to another. It is best suited to articles, because their purpose is to explain. In an article, significant items should normally be mentioned naturally within the text rather than merely listed."
 * So, I agree with you that the current version of the "Civil unrest and crime" section reads awkwardly. I think the better solution is not to describe the events more disconnectedly, but rather to do the opposite, rewriting the bulletpoints into a couple of true paragraphs of coherent prose explaining these events in fuller context and perspective. Want to give it a try? —Patrug (talk) 01:05, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

 * I agree that the events probably shouldn't be listed, rather they should be gone through sequentially to better show their relationships.

 * I'm still not sure how I feel about the word "fatal" or how I feel about the relationship between the two riots. I concede that they have a relationship to the extent that they both contributed to the decline of Camden, but I'm still not sure that makes them actually connected. Falling population numbers and slowing industry also contributed to the decline of Camden, but I wouldn't necessarily say that they are directly related to the riot of 1969.

 * I'd be happy to change the page to reflect our discussion, specifically regarding the bulletpoint list. I still sort of disagree about the riot of 1969, but I take your points. Before I change anything regarding it, I'd like to do some research and see what I can find. Scary Ghosty (talk) 14:30, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Crime Statistics
It appears that the crime rate box in the main "Crime" section is showing volume, not rate. The listed source is Table 8 of the FBI CIUS, but this table shows "offenses known to law enforcement" - aka total number of offenses.

To convert to crime rate, each of these volumes would need to be divided by 0.78980 (listed population of Camden / 100,00). So for instance, the murder rate would be 34÷0.7898 = 43.05 murders per 100,000 residents.

199.193.145.98 (talk) 01:51, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

New York Times on Camden policing
This New York Times article might be useful as a reference: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/02/nyregion/camden-nj-police-shootings.html Eastmain (talk • contribs) 03:05, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Misleading on Crime
The top of the article clearly tries to cvorrelate the abolition of police with the decrease of crime, but fails to include that they still have police. The state and neighboring districts had to import their own to police the city after the abolition of policing.Wordbearer88 (talk) 03:45, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

"Camden Township, New Jersey" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Camden Township, New Jersey and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 16 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TartarTorte 20:48, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

New & old buildings
Camden, New Jersey is located on the Delaware River in the Delaware Valley/Philadelphia metropolitan area in the US. At 380 ft, a tower of the Benjamin Franklin Bridge is the tallest structure in the city. Camden City Hall, at 370 ft, has been the tallest building in the city since 1931. Several buildings of the Victor Talking Machine Company (which became part of RCA Victor in 1929) dot the city's skyline, which also includes late 20th century residential high-rises. Proposals to build two towers of 590 ft and 450 ft on the waterfront were unveiled in September 2015.

In May 2013 the New Jersey Economic Development Authority announced that it would seek developers for the site of the demolished Riverfront State Prison just north of the Central Waterfront and the Benjamin Franklin Bridge in Cooper Point. In September 2013 Waterfront Renaissance Associates announced that it proposed to a develop a 2.3-million-square-foot commercial complex on 16 acre called the Riverfront World Trade Center. The project would be built in four phases, the first of which would be a promenade along the Delaware River.The plan calls for two 22-story and two 18-story buildings.

In October 2013, Herschend Family Entertainment announced they would add an attraction adjacent to the Adventure Aquarium, a 300 ft, 25-story observation tower ride with a moored balloon and gondola that would carry passengers above the site offering views of city, the Delaware River and the Philadelphia skyline to be built by Skyview Tower Systems. The 300 ft Skyview Tower, a combination gyro tower and moored balloon, in the city's entertainment district on the Camden Waterfront was expected to open in 2015. The structure is three rod towers joined at intervals by circular hoops Propelled by a winch, lightweight carriage disguised within the balloon envelope ascends the tower. The gondola beneath the balloon acts as floating circular walkway for a maximum of 40 passengers.

In September 2015, Liberty Property Trust unveiled a proposal to build two towers, one 590 ft tall and another 450 ft as part a master plan on the waterfront designed by Robert A. M. Stern. Called Camden Towers it all include an 18-story building the waterfront. Construction began in 2017.

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