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Talk:Sydney Technical High School

discussion points, ideas and items for inclusion
All Old Boys worth their tie-tags ought to know and remember Mr Booth, former Science Head Teacher, Prefect Advisor and all round good guy (and train fanatic). Having been with the school for a four decades and influenced generations of students it seems logical that there should be more information about him here (currently there is none).

More recent students may remember Mr Quill, would it be inappropriate to include a short reference to the prohibited weapons list, specifically, the whip joke? Discuss. (1000 words, 15% of final mark)

On a more serious and related note, Mr Quill once gave a speech about the origis of the motto 'Manners Maketh Man', the Tech version of Triple M ought to be expanded out, or at least linked to the appropriate page. Manners, in the original sense of the word, meant more than simply etiquette and this should be explained.

Going back a bit further, I specifically recall listening to an Old Boy recall the stairs at the original Ultimo school building and how the floors and stairs were all wooden and very creaky (was there a reference to this in the old school song lyrics?). I believe it would be a good idea to try and gather more information to fill out the history section of this article while we still have access to invaluable living memories.

Also, having been in the SRC and Interact, but not having been a prefect (my therapist says I am getting over it) I'd like to see people who have been members of other student bodies about the school contribute information about them.

There appears to be no mention of the possibly unique scheduling structure of the Sydney Tech day, namely, the 4 75-minute periods that make up each day, which is a striking contrast to the period structure of other DET schools.

Another point of discussion is how much cultural information should be preserved in this article, I think that this article should do more than just provide information on what the school is. By providing information on the culture, humour and people of Sydney Tech we can help people appreciate what made Tech special (or different, at least). So lets write up and structure everything in an informative manner and then tell them what those things actually meant to techies.

Finally, SGGHS doesn't have an article on Wikipedia as of this time. I need say no more.

--I 16:12, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Semi-protection
This page will be temporarily semi-protected as a measure against the latest rounds of vanity appearing on this page. enochlau (talk) 03:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Why was it vanity or vandalism? someone was only trying to put up what they thought was a notable ex-student. Kevin Tay wasn't a fake person Steven Fitter 13:59, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

In fact, my and others efforts were not vandalism. "Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism". Steven Fitter 00:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to know whether this enoch person went through the proper channels to semiprotect this article. I can't find mention of it on the appropriate page. It's usually quite hard to have an article semiprotected (e.g., constant vandalism is usually a prerequisite, and I can't see that here). Tony 07:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * "...this enoch person..." - is that how you address people in person? enochlau (talk) 12:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Well no; I reserve that for people who appear to act unilaterally without discussion. Tony 12:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Be aware of civility, Tony. The above comment, as well as that struck below, hardly make for constructive discussion.--cj | talk 14:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

unreasonable reverts
I don't know what you're on about, but you should stop reverting the insertion of a link that adds significant value to the article. The pint-sized ego goes with being an administrator/janitor, does it? If you have objections, don't revert, please: discuss the issue HERE. Tony 07:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I think it should be removed and I think you should refrain from the personal attack. Personally I think the link to an official alumni organization is sufficient, such as old scholars, but an arbitrary website by an arbitrary year level is not.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 07:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Why? Tony 07:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Because it is on a par with every other year to have passed through STHS, and there is no scope for 150 sites for old boys from each year.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 07:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * If the 150 links were all as informative and high quality as the 1984 one, we should be pleased to list them at the bottom. But there aren't 150 links, and there aren't 150 years of school history either—so what are you talking about? I presume that you're happy for the link to St George GHS to be removed, then. It's far less relevant than the link at issue. Any good reason for excluding it? Tony 08:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Precisely how does the link add "significant value" in the first place? --cj | talk 11:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Asked and answered. See numerous other submissions on this 'point'. --Andrew Jens

I think it's important that this be linked to from here: User_talk:Enochlau. See my comments about sock puppetry - it's getting ridiculous. Attacking people doesn't get you anywhere on Wikipedia, and really, it doesn't sway people to believe you. This link should be removed - the website basically amounts to a personal photo album.

Also: "I presume that you're happy for the link to St George GHS to be removed, then." - what link are you talking about? enochlau (talk) 11:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

What is personal about an album that contains pictures of people who were at the school during that period? I'd have thought it was a way of bringing to life what is otherwise a pretty boring—not to mention extremely poorly written—article.

Instead of fussing around semiprotecting and reverting, why don't you concentrate on improving the prose? Tony 13:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * The effort being put into blowing this issue out of proportion could have equally been spent on improving the article. I'd note that the insertion of the link was reverted only once. Moreover, semi-protection never came into play with regards to this issue – Enochlau protected the article in late May on a separate matter.--cj | talk 14:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * The supporter(s) of this link seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is (see User_talk:Enochlau): in that he(they) seem to think that Wikipedia is like a collection of personal webpages, where the alumni of a school (for example) are free to add whatever material they do, provided they don't violate certain rules. Just like you can put anything on your own Geocities page provided it doesn't have pr0n or other forbidden content.
 * In fact, Wikipedia is nothing like that: it's an encyclopedia! which means contents have to matter to the wider reading public, *not* whoever happens to be associated with the contents of the article. --Sumple (Talk) 23:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

 * The people arguing in favour of the link have a vested interest in its inclusion, therefore they are not objective when considering what a random reader wants and expects from a high school article in WP. If Wikipedia was a Cabinet or company boardroom or a juror in a court case those people would have excused themselves from the discussion due to a conflict of interest. The class of 1984 website is fun, but only of interest to someone who went to the school. Anyone interested in stuff like that can find it from a search engine, although they probably would not know it existed in the first place unless a link was provided from a source such as WP. However the schools website can always link to the page in question negating any possible gross benefit to society. I am in favour of removing the link, but have no actual arguments to support my case, apart from the groundwork above. That said, having followed the discussion the arguments against inclusion so far have been much stronger than the arguments for inclusion. The onus of good argument falls on people in favour of inclusion and not on the people in favour of removal, that should be an obvious point. If you have a contentious sentence in Wikipedia you need to back it up with a source to assert its noteworthiness, here to assert the noteworthiness of a link good arguments are required in discussion. Grumpyyoungman01 00:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I cannot believe you just wrote: "The people arguing in favour of the link have a vested interest in its inclusion, therefore they are not objective when considering what a random reader wants and expects ...". You've just invalidated the justification for anyone ever entering anything into Wikipedia. Unless you're somehow considering all those authors who randomly want to make changes to sites they have no interest in at all? I'd say it would be absolutely necessary to have a 'vested interest' in order to make a worthwhile contribution. No doubt you've just read Douglas Adams' concept: "the only person who should be allowed to rule the universe is the person who doesn't want to".
 * Can you guys just get off this "random reader" once and for all. Please repeat after me: "the readers that get to the Sydney Technical High School site are not 'random'". They have obviously got there after a relevant search or link. Please give those readers the benefit of the doubt that they are intelligent enough to figure out which external links they might want to click. Please stop thinking like robots or you'll turn Wikipedia into the Encycopedia Britannica. It can be at least that, but can also be a whole lot more.--Andrew Jens

To those people who didn't even go to STHS and want to prohibit linking to our reunion website (which has historical and contemporary information in the form of text and photos) can you also please remove the link from this page....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/508th_Parachute_Infantry_Regiment

to this page....

http://www.508pir.org/

as it sends the user to the historical and contemporary information dealing with the people who participated in the regiment. According to your ealier arguments, nobody is interested in that. And please do it for all similar pages throughout Wikipedia. If you choose not to remove it, can you please detail the difference between linking to an external site for the members of a regiment and linking to the external site for the members of a school. I see no difference, though no doubt you'll use some form of sophistry to justify yourselves. Captain Ploppy. (Don't know what that other junk is after your names! What's UTC?) -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Captain Ploppy (talk • contribs).

 * The fundamental difference is that http://www.508pir.org/ is the homepage of the 508th regiment, as it says on the front page. By contrast, the 1984 alumni page is an alumni page. We already have an external link to the school site.
 * And again, the Wikipedia article is not your (or your school's) private webpage. Whether contents deserve to be on it is the judgment of all editors and readers, NOT that of the school's alumni and their friends. --Sumple (Talk) 04:06, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

You dill, there's no fundamental difference. I knew you'd say that. How about we chuck "official" on the alumni homepage. And don't kid yourself that up to the editors and readers, it's up to a small bunch of goggle-eyed, clique of nobodys with no life. Why would anyone become an editor for Wikipedia???? Don't you have anything better to do? Ban me if you like, only joined today, won't be joining to contribute. Couldn't give a toss. Oh and you'll probably delete this, the creatively-challenged and boring are pretty predictable. Captain Ploppy. Posted sometime Posted someplace. For sad, sad people.

Hi Enochlau. I read your comment about my post on User_talk:Enochlau. You are correct, this is the first time I've contributed to Wikipedia. However, that doesn't invalidate my comment, and I am surprised an admin with such experience as yourself would so quickly jump to the unfounded conclusion that I was a sock puppet. As I wrote before, you seem to have a basic misunderstanding about the site whose link was reverted by you. The site isn't simply a "home page" for the students of a particular year. It's a comprehensive database that contains information from almost a decade's worth of school experience. The site is detailed, well organised, and of interest to a much wider audience than a simple "home page" would be. The site includes information on teachers, information on major school events, and information scanned from an extensive range of school publications. All these are of interest to any student, past or present, of STHS. Rather than making false accusations about sock puppetry, please take the time to look at the site. The important matter is whether the site would be of interest to a visitor to the STHS wiki page, and after visiting the site I'm sure only pride would prevent you from agreeing that the answer to that question is an unqualified "yes". Winterelf 01:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I added a sentence regarding a car being drowned in the pool during the 1990s although it was reverted out, why? I feel this piece of trivia is useful and adds to the article. I attended the school from 92 to 97 so I know first hand that there was a car in the pool for some time. comment was added by Toe2toe
 * I think you've hit the nail on the head. It's trivia. A whole bunch of trivia does not make an encyclopedia article. enochlau (talk) 14:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Enoch. It is a piece of trivia, and very much so. We should aim to add serious information to the article, rather than overload with anecodtes and pranks.Blnguyen | rant-line 01:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * What about the part about the back oval referring to the "Curry League"?? Surely this is regarded as trivia as well, if not bordering on racism. Toe2toe
 * Thanks for pointing it out. I have removed that too.Blnguyen | rant-line 02:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Child labor, brick wall
Could an Old boy please add some information about the construction on that magnificent brick wall as featured in the photograph? Grumpyyoungman01 01:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

valid semiprotections?
Enochlau, you haven't yet specified the reasons for your unilateral action in semiprotecting this article. I note that this has occurred more than once.

Did you go through the correct channels? Please provide a link so that we can inspect them; I can't locate reference to this article on the protection page, either current or archived.

We need to know that you're not abusing the correct processes of WP.

Tony 03:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I did notice that you temporarily addressed Enoch as "echidna" - please desist, editing WP is a privilege not a right. If you abuse it by attacking other contributors they will be withdrawn.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 03:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Oh, get a life, dude. It was a mistake, which I corrected. Chill out. Tony 03:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Really? I noticed on cj's page as well. Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 04:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC).

 * In case you haven't noticed, the semi-protection rationale has been stated above. enochlau (talk) 05:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What, "latest rounds of vanity"? No, I mean the stated criterion. Was the semiprotection listed properly at the time? I tried to have an article that was being vandalised daily semiprotected, and was refused ("not frequent enough" was the response). I'd like to see the process: please provide a link. Tony 06:02, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Alumni link
There's been alot of arguing about the addition and removal of the link to that alumni page, I thought that instead of saying why it shouldn't be added, I would say a little bit about what the link would need to be in order for its inclusion to be justified. I think there are a range of situations in which an external link to an alumni organisation would be justified: There may of course be other, similar reasons.
 * If the organisation was the school's official alumni organisation (which in this case, is actually this site);
 * If the organisation had done something notable on their own, other than simply existing as a group of alumni;
 * If any of the "famous alumni" listed were an active part of that organisation.

Of course, if there is verifiable information on the site, then that should be incorporated in the article, but in that case it should be linked to as a reference and not as an external link, and the link should go directly to the page that the information is on, and not to the home page. --bainer (talk) 09:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Bainer, for a voice of reason in this debate. Thank you also for your civility, which has been disappointingly lacking from the administrator who reverted the link. In my opinion, we should examine the Wikipedia policy for external links. I'll examine two sections of this policy in detail: What should be linked to and Links to normally avoid. That's not to say the other sections of the policy don't apply. They do, but these two sections are the heart of what should be deemed an appropriate external link.

So, on the basis of this analysis, I come to the conclusion that the external link to the site satisfies all Wikipedia criteria for inclusion. I see no justification for removing the link. Winterelf 12:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Please clarify, in relation to part 2 point 1, what you mean by "Does not apply to the site, since it provides information tracable to school publications.". Does the site only contain information from school publications, and no original research? Is such information not available on the school's official site, or the alumni association's official site?
 * In addition, the neutrality policy would suggest that whether the link is added or not should be decided by neutral editors who are not direct participants of, or affiliated with, the site concerned.
 * Also, the 1984 alumni page does not appear to be linked from the official alumni association site. --Sumple (Talk) 12:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi Sumple. Thanks for your comments. I think we're making progress!
 * With respect to tracable/original research, let me first examine Wikipedia itself as an example. Wikipedia itself cannot guarantee that all information in the database is verifiable. It is Wikipedia policy that the database should not contain original research. However, it is clear that some articles may still do so. It is also clear that some other pages of Wikipedia (eg: talk pages, user pages) almost definitely contain original research (ie: unverifiable claims). So, the presence or absence of original research is not the real issue. The issue is whether there is a clear distinction between verifiable information and original research. Using Wikipedia as an example again, it is clear that information contained in user or talk pages may not satisfy Wikipedia's own policy regarding verifiability, and therefore any reader will not give such information as much credence as information contained on well-reviewed article pages. In the case of the site in question, I believe that it contains both tracable information (eg: scans from school publications) and attributed opinion (eg: personal anecdotes, etc), and that there is a clear distinction between the two.
 * With repsect to the availability of the information, I believe that, no, the information is not available anywhere else.
 * With respect to neutrality, I agree with you completely. On this point, I would like to point out that Wikipedia policy for neutrality would imply that the decision to include or exclude a link should be done on a case-by-case basis, by objectively evaluating the worth of each link. The exclusion of a link simply because it is an "alumni" link is, in itself, biased. The assessment should be based on the content of the site. With regard to the site itself, I think it is clear that it is an "alumni" site, and therefore any visitor would expect and understand that information is presented from an alumnus POV. That is to say, the school publications mentioned earlier are unlikely to be completely neutral in terms of their assessment or presentation of the school, since they are likely to portray the school in a good light, in order to keep the parents happy. Similarly, recollections gathered on the site are personal opinion, and necessarily do not have a "neutral" POV.
 * With repect to a cross-link from any other site, I do not think this is relevant. There many be any number of reasons why two websites are not cross-linked, and this does not change the worth of the information contained on the site. The Wikipedia policy has no such requirement for cross-linking. Once again, we must be careful to objectively assess the worth of the site, rather than allowing our thinking to be biased by preconceptions of what an "alumni" site might or should be. Winterelf 00:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Looks like the Fort Street Triads are at it again —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.244.102.174 (talk • contribs).

 * Is that an allegation of organized criminal activity on the part of Enoch and Sumple???Blnguyen | rant-line 05:29, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Ad hominem comes into my mind. enochlau (talk) 05:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi Winterelf, having examined the website in more detail, here are my concerns:
 * 1. From the point of view of Wikipedia-relevance, the website seems to be in two parts: photos to do with the school, which can be encyclopaedic, and photos to do specifically with the "class of 1984" and their activities, which would not appear to be encyclopaedic (except maybe in a very remote sense of having sociological value with regard to 1980s society).
 * 2. The section which may have value is very small compared to the section which does not have value (in the encyclopaedic sense). In fact, the website information claims that its contents are "relevant to Sydney Technical High School students who attended: year 7 in 1979, and/or year 8 in 1980, and/or year 9 in 1981, and/or year 10 in 1982, and/or year 11 in 1983, and/or year 12 in 1984."
 * 3. A casual reader who enters that website will (rightly) feel that the website is designed by and/or for former students. This is especialy so because of the scrolling marquee right on the front page about reunions.
 * So, basically, my concern is that, while there is encyclopaedic information on this website, the larger part of the website is devoted to the fond (personal) memories of the alumni concerned, and a photographic record of their activities - material which is not really encyclopaedic. Any website would have some relevant information. Does this site have enough to qualify as a relevant external link? --Sumple (Talk) 09:16, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

 * As I said above, if there is verifiable information on the site, then that should be incorporated in the article, but in that case it should be linked to as a reference and not as an external link, and the link should go directly to the page that the information is on, and not to the home page. --bainer (talk) 09:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I think this is a reasoanble approach. For the record, this link is this: http://sths84.aus.cc/ enochlau (talk) 12:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Andrew, please stop adding the link. If you even took notice of the discussion here, you would have seen that the link is unwanted. We will now work to seeing what contents of the site can be included directly in the article. enochlau (talk) 13:43, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

 * In particular, you should not add that link, as you are the webmaster of the site - see above for Winterelf's table on what links you cannot add. enochlau (talk) 13:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Value of the 84 link
I read with interest the discussion about the removal of a link to the class of '84 website from the WP articla on Sydney Technical High School. First let me declare my interest as Senior Prefect 1984. The desire to remove the link seems to stem from the claim that it is "unencyclopedic", and could only have interest to those of us who attended at that time. Jens suggests that it should stay as it doesn't contravene any WP rules and in no way affects the flow of the WP article. An apparently neutral contributor to this page felt that the onus should be on those who wish to include it to extol its virtues, but also that (despite the frayed tempers and regrettable incivilities) they currently had the stronger arguments.

Having recently studied the 84 site, I would like to speak in favour of its re-inclusion: There is an impressive array of verifiable information about the school and its history which is in now way specific to the class of 84. In five minutes I viewed a photo of the Sir Charles Kingsford Smith Memorial (which resides in the auditorium foyer), letters from two Australian Prime Ministers (Sir Robert Menzies and John Gorton), an article from former School Captain and Olympic swimmer John Konrads (not from anywhere near 1984), a photograph of the very first teachers of the school in 1911, a list of every teacher who had ever worked at the school up until 1985 (including positions held). The accuracy of these are all verifiable from the school journals and the newletter "Tech Talk". I could see none of this information in 30 minutes of searching the official school website (which is linked to the WP article). I'm sure that there is much more that I didn't have time to look at, but I want to show that the Jens link is much more than a collection of 1984 memorabilia. My view is that the link stands out because it such a detailed piece of work in a narrow field of interest. I'd like to be able to have this level of detail available in any search, as long as it doesn't get in the way of more general searches.

With respect to the Neutral Point Of View policy, I would think that links such as the official Sydney Tech school website have a bigger problem here than the 84 link, as the school site has an ongoing mission to promote the school, trumpeting it's highs and sweeping its lows under the carpet. As a school teacher myself, I place a great value on the impression of the students as to the quality of a school. Since no-one has felt the need even to warn against propaganda from the official school site, I think that it is quite inconsistent to completely remove all mention of an alternative site that has much work that is verifiable, contains many images of general historical value which are not included on the school site, and is written from a NPOV. Granted the site also contains much that would normally be of interest to a select few; I don't know whether this make the link unencyclopedic - I would like to hear the view of others, and think it reasonable that Tech High boys (I was never called a "Techie" - perhaps I should edit the WP article?) should declare their hand.

Rhysw 05:09, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I must say I have previously experienced enochlau's propensity to remove/add semi protection willy nilly without consultation or proper discussion. I genuinely (but admittedly mistakenly) tried to update the STHS page with what I thought was a notable person. Enochlau decided to semi-protect without consultation. I fear that he rules Wikipedia to his own personal preferences and agenda rather than the consensus approach that is central to Wikipedia. 203.3.197.249 07:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

As I mentioned over there, I've realized that I should have provided a link to the Mediation Cabal, and in particular to the case discussion page on this issue. Luna Santin 08:03, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

If anyone is interested, the page in question is now reached by the following link: sths84.reminisced.com. 140.168.69.129 (talk) 06:34, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

How to ensure precise information on Sydney Tech High
I have noticed many people editing this the Sydney Technical High School article, and getting all the information wrong. why not use a reliable source of information, a student or teacher, as they will know exactly what is happening in Sydney Tech. If any editing is done, make sure you have check that the information is corrected by a student or teacher of Sydney Tech, like me Efansay 10:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That's all nice and good but to be even better, everything should be referenced: WP:VERIFY. enochlau (talk) 12:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

What if there isn't a published source, even if the information is valid. E fansay talk 10:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC) Strike that. I forgot about the school's website itself. E fansay talk 10:20, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Paintball Competition
Hey fellas, I just graduated last year from Tech. Just thought I should post up that at the end of the year we have a 20 v 20 paintball match against Homebush Boys and we won't let you down.

Oh and.. Does anyone here work for an accounting or Investment banking firm? I'm looking for a job. :P

If your competitors get to me first you;ll be sorry.

Principals and Deputies
Just a note that the school has a new principal, Mrs Lyons, as of term 3. This means that the deputies return to Mr Dando and Mr McNaught. I shall be making the change now, just for reference. ☺ E fansayT/C☺ 01:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

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NPOV
there are a lot of NPOV issues. e.g."ranks consistently high in the hsc". i've removed this--Welcome to the dark side. (talk) 15:02, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Article cleanup as per WP:WPSCH/AG
I'll come back to this from time to time to list my cleanups and the reasons why

FACILITIES

As much as Wikipedia appreciates your despair at your unsuccessful swimming pool, this information is unnecessary. The swimming pool is gone, therefore no longer part of the facilities. Similarly, a 'quadrangle' is kind of a standard in every school and is thus not counted as a facility either.

EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES
 * Prefect and Executive positions are mentioned later in the article - and besides, they are not extra-curricular
 * School intranet team is gone - you cannot postpone the deletion of material until the material's truth comes back. If it comes back, you can put it on here
 * All schools have a peer support program
 * "*Writers in Residence - A ten week course, held annually, in which a professional writer helps to hone students' writing skills, temporarily cancelled due to lack of participants." - self-explanatory
 * everyone has the ANU maths day

SPORTS

no need to divide up into season, time of week, time of day etc.

PREFECTS

removed when the prefects have tea and inner etc. - self explanatory

SRC

every school has an SRC so please do not detail the voting process or the number of students etc.

--Welcome to the dark side. (talk) 01:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I Think you'll find buddy there is still a pool, which is in the school grounds and it is not gone and therefore it is a facilities. Ill leave it at that actually :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.188.180.107 (talk) 09:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

 * From the previous information on the article, it was implied that there was no swimming pool. However, if you want to edit the article to include this information, you may - on one condition. Cite a source. I'll leave it at that.--Welcome to the dark side. (talk) 14:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

 * The school pool was actually recently filled and covered with turf. It's finally gone after falling into disuse for several years. It should also be worth noting that the school's Centenary is this year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rubik's Maniac (talk • contribs) 14:19, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Alumnus
Warren Daly does not have an English Wikipedia article to show his individual notability. He is a member of the notable group Daly-Wilson Big Band but that is not sufficient. Meters (talk) 00:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

 * @Meters (talk) with all respect, I feel this point is both pedantic and incorrect. He is not merely a "member" of the notable group Daly-Wilson Big Band as you've said above. He is one of the two founders, as the article shows, and most importantly the group is named after him, being named after its two founders, plus his name comes first (admittedly that could be incidental for alphabetical reasons, but still his name is 50% of the notable group's name). I aver this confers the notability of the individual way above being a mere "member" of a notable group. Can we have a third or more voice on this please, as I am just repeating what I said in edit summaries and so is Meters (talk).Walton22 (talk) 00:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Needs to have his own article to be considered notable. Adding him as alumni with primary sources doesn't cut it. LibStar (talk) 01:37, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * LibStar (talk) I really don't think a Wikipedia article is the only litmus test of notability for inclusion on a list of notable alumni! It is merely incidental that nobody has written an article about him yet. He qualifies for one as per WP:NOTABLE. He has received an Order of Australia Award "For service to music as band leader and drummer", see 1991_Queen%27s_Birthday_Honours_(Australia). I will add his name to the alumni list again, but this time appending this post-nominal and its citation, which I think ends the discussion.Walton22 (talk) 01:47, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll also put it on my to-do list to create the missing and needed article Warren Daly. It would be unassailable under WP:NOTABLE Walton22 (talk) 02:03, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yet another reversion I see. Ok, guys, I'll write the article Warren Daly then add him back to the alumni list. Since the only objection here turns on the current lack of his own WP article (when clearly the subject qualifies for BLP!) the need for consensus here will then be obviated when the article appears.Walton22 (talk) 02:33, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll close this discussion as Warren Daly does now have an English Wikipedia article to show his individual notability. Walton22 (talk) 07:31, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

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My name is antonio bastidas and this is the talk page of the sock puppet user I adopted for NPOVing the now-deleted Edmond Wollmann article. San Juan de Pasto, 16 de Octubre de 2007 Doctora: ANA BELL BASTIDAS JUEZ QUINTA ADMINISTRATIVA DEL CIRCUITO DE PASTO E.                          S.                                  D.

Ref.:  ACCION    Nulidad y Restablecimiento del Derecho PROCESO No. 06-0495 ACCIONANTE: RUTH DEL SOCORRO RODRÍGUEZ GARCÍA ACCIONADO: Municipio de Pasto - Secretaría de Educación Municipal de Pasto ANTONIO BASTIDAS UNIGARRO, mayor de edad, vecino y residente en esta ciudad, identificado con la cédula de ciudadanía No. 13009744 de Ipiales, abogado titulado e inscrito con T.P. No. 76.842 expedida por el C.S. de la J., en mi condición de apoderado judicial del MUNICIPIO DE PASTO, en el asunto de la referencia, dentro del termino legal, respetuosamente presento ante su despacho, alegatos de conclusión en los siguientes términos:

ANTECEDENTES

Mediante la presente acción de nulidad y restablecimiento del derecho, se pretende por parte del apoderado legal de la señora RUTH DEL SOCORRO RODRIGUEZ, que se declare la nulidad  de la resolución No.0378 del 18 de noviembre de 2005, mediante la cual se la ascendió al grado 13 del escalafón Nacional Docente, por cuanto considera que  se le desconoce  tres años de servicio como mejoramiento académico reconocido  por comunicado 357 del 21 de diciembre de 2001. RAZONES DE DEFENSA Tal como oportunamente lo manifestamos en nuestro escrito de contestación de  la presente Acción de Nulidad y Restablecimiento del Derecho, propuesta por la demandante a través de apoderado legal, Mediante Resolución No. 287 de fecha 25 de abril de 2005, la Secretaría de Educación Municipal de Pasto, conformó el Grupo de Escalafón Docente, encargado de tramitar y decidir sobre las inscripciones y ascensos en el Escalafón. Así, para el cumplimiento de estas funciones, la Secretaría de Educación determinó internamente la repartición organizacional de que trata la ley. Con base en la anterior competencia legal, la Secretaria de Educación Municipal de Pasto, mediante Resolución No. 00378 de fecha 18 de noviembre de 2005, ascendió al grado TRECE (13) del Escalafón Docente a la  señora RUTH DEL SOCORRO RODRÍGUEZ GARCÍA, identificada con la cédula de ciudadanía No. 30.701.254 de Pasto, quien acreditó Titulo de Licenciada en Física -Matemáticas, Especialista en Docencia de la Matemática. En la que se cuenta como experiencia acreditada: 11 de septiembre de 2000, más SIETE (7) créditos. Para el reconocimiento anterior, se tuvo en cuenta que el ultimo grado acreditado fue el DOCE (12), el cual le fue reconocido por Resolución No. 5975 de 5 de diciembre de 2000, emanada por la Junta Seccional de Escalafón Docente de Nariño. El Artículo 2º de la citada resolución demandada, dispone que conforme a lo dispuesto en los Artículos 3 y 5 Inciso 2º del Decreto 1095 de 2005, el tiempo de servicio para el cumplimiento del requisito de permanencia en el grado TRECE (13) se empezará a contabilizar a partir del día 12 de septiembre de 2004. En el caso sub examine, se tiene que, la docente radicó la solicitud de ascenso el día 17 de enero de 2002, fecha para la cual se debe aplicar lo dispuesto en materia de ascensos en el escalafón, el Decreto 1095 de 2005, cuyo artículo 5 textualmente dispone que: "Los efectos fiscales del ascenso se generarán a partir de la fecha de expedición del acto administrativo de ascenso que determina la clasificación en el grado correspondiente del Escalafón." Contrario a lo que manifiesta el apoderado legal de la accionante de que los efectos fiscales se producen a partir de la radicación de documentos. El problema planteado por el apoderado legal de la docente con respecto a las pretensiones de la demanda y en especial a la fecha que debe tomar en cuenta para resolver las solicitudes de ascenso, se tiene que   el Parágrafo del artículo 2 del Decreto 1095 del 2005 establece lo siguiente: Las solicitudes de ascenso radicadas con anterioridad al primero de enero de 2002 y que cumplan los requisitos establecidos en la legislación vigente anterior a la expedición de la Ley 715 de 2001, serán resueltas de conformidad con las normas vigentes al momento de la presentación de la solicitud. Aquellas solicitudes de ascenso radicadas con posterioridad al primero de enero de 2002 serán resueltas de conformidad con lo establecido en el presente decreto." (Negrillas y resaltado fuera del texto). En su parte pertinente establece que, si verificada la solicitud de ascenso, cumple con los requisitos establecidos, la decisión de ascenso en el Escalafón Nacional Docente será adoptada mediante resolución motivada en la que conste el cumplimiento de todos los requisitos. El Artículo 3º ibidem, consagra los requisitos necesarios para ascender en el Escalafón Docente. Así, para acceder del grado DOCE (12) al grado TRECE (13) el docente, Licenciado en Ciencias de la Educación requiere de CUATRO (4) años de experiencia en el grado inmediatamente anterior, más SIETE (7) créditos. Por su parte, el Inc. 4 expresa que la fecha correspondiente al cumplimiento del requisito de permanencia en el grado inmediatamente anterior quedará especificada en el acto administrativo de ascenso, de acuerdo con el inciso segundo del Art. 5 del presente decreto. Por otra parte, el Inciso tercero del Art. 3 del Decreto 1095 de 2005, determina que. "So/o podrán homologarse los estudios de Pregrado y Postgrado reconocidos por el Gobierno Nacional de conformidad con lo establecido en la Lev 30 de 1992, para ascender hasta el grado 10 del escalafón Nacional Docente. El título por el cual se obtenga el reconocimiento por efectos de mejoramiento académico, no podrá ser utilizado posteriormente para nuevos ascensos en el escalafón Nacional Docente" (Subraya fuera del texto). De lo anterior podemos colegir con plena certeza jurídica, que de conformidad al Decreto 1095 de 2005, respecto a solicitudes radicadas a partir del primero de enero de 2002, no se permite ascensos en el Escalafón Docente, por mejoramiento académico, a grados posteriores al décimo y en tal virtud no le asiste razón alguna al demandante en manifestar que existe falsa motivación, abuso del poder y revocatoria directa, al no mencionarse en la Resolución No. 00378 de 2005 el mejoramiento académico solicitado. En consecuencia, al cumplir todos los requisitos para ascenso al grado TRECE (13) del Escalafón Docente el día 11 de septiembre de 2004, carece de tiempo de servicio para ascender al grado CATORCE (14), como la observancia de los demás requisitos que esta categoría exige. Es importante aclarar a la parte actora que existen dos momentos totalmente diferentes y diferenciabas. Uno al cumplimiento de los requisitos (tiempo, créditos, Postgrados, etc.), y el otro, la fecha de la solicitud de ascenso.

A partir de la fecha de radicación de los respectivos documentos, corre el término para expedir el respectivo acto administrativo de ascenso, y determina como en este caso, la normatividad aplicable para resolver su petición. Se evidencia a simple vista que el Municipio de Pasto - Secretaría de Educación Municipal, al resolver la solicitud de ascenso de la docente, señora RUTH DEL SOCORRO RODRÍGUEZ GARCÍA, lo único que hizo fue apegarse estrictamente a lo señalado por la ley. Teniendo en cuenta las anteriores apreciaciones de orden legal, de manera atenta solicito a la señora juez de conocimiento, se denieguen las pretensiones de la parte demandante.

Atentamente,

Yes, it's a sock puppet account I used in January or thereabouts. No longer in operation because the circumstances no longer pertain. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 22:07, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Currently using this account to test some of the functions associated with the operation of TonyBot. --WikiWikiWiki 08:35, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

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Wakana Yamazaki

Wakana Yamazaki (山崎 和佳奈) is a Japanese actress, voice actress and narrator who works for Aoni Production. She was born in Yokohama and is best known for her roles as Ran Mouri in Detective Conan, Atsuko "Akko" Kagami in the 1998 version of Himitsu no Akko-chan, Maria and Shoryuuki in Ghost Sweeper Mikami, Azumi Kojou in Azumi Mamma Mia, Meiko Akizuki in Marmalade Boy, Ayane in Dead or Alive and Ikuko Tsukino, replacing the late Yūko Mizutani in Sailor Moon Cosmos. Yamazaki also took over the role of Nami for episodes 70-78 of One Piece while regular voice actress Akemi Okamura was on maternity leave and also voiced Nojiko, Nami's sister.

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Fyodor Kuznetsov

Fyodor Isidorovich Kuznetsov (Фёдор Иси́дорович Кузнецо́в; 29 September 1898 – 22 March 1961) was a Colonel General and military commander in the Soviet Union.

Biography
Born to a peasant family in Mogilev Governorate (present-day Horki Raion, Mogilev Oblast of Belarus), Kuznetsov served in the Imperial Russian Army during World War I and continued his service in the Bolsheviks' Red Army. During the German-Soviet War, he initially commanded the Northwestern Front during the Baltic Strategic Defensive Operation until 30 June 1941, but was relieved in early August 1941 (replaced by General Major Pyotr Sobennikov). At a Stavka session on 12 August 1941, he was given command of the new 51st Independent Army, but he was replaced by Pavel Batov in October 1941 during the defense of the Crimea. Later he served as the temporary commander of the Central Front (July–August 1941), Chief of Staff of the 28th Army, Deputy Commander of the Western Front, and commander of the 61st Army.

From March 1942 to June 1943, he served as the commanding officer of the Academy of General Staff, and from August 1943 to February 1944 as the Deputy Commander of the Volkhov Front and Karelian Front. From 1945-1948, he commanded the Ural Military District, retiring due to illness.

He is buried in the Novodevichy Cemetery in Moscow.

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Wood Street

Things called Wood Street:

 * England
 * Wood Street, London - a street in the City of London, England
 * Wood Street Counter - a small prison in the City of London, destroyed in 1666
 * Wood Street railway station - a station in Walthamstow, London
 * Wood Street, Bath - Bath, Somerset, England
 * Wood Street Village - a village in Surrey, England
 * Wood Street Mission - a children's charity in Manchester city centre

 * United States
 * Wood Street (PAT station) - a light rail station in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
 * Wood Street Galleries - contemporary art gallery above the station

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Haruhi Nanao

Haruhi Nanao (七緒 はるひ) is a Japanese voice actress who was born in Tokyo. She is employed by 81 Produce. She formerly went by the name Haruhi Terada (寺田 はるひ).

When her father Yojiro Terada and her mother divorced in 2014, Haruhi changed her surname to her mother's maiden name.

Anime television

 * 1998
 * Beast Wars II: Super Life-Form Transformers – Navichan
 * Ojarumaru – Arisa, Hifumi, Hoshino's Mama (third voice), Kaminariakane, Kintarou's Mama, Komachi Mama, Ojarumaru's Mother, Ushiko
 * Super Express Hikarian – Anna Michi, Dojiras (second voice), Fuji, Hitachi Green, Thunderbird, Tsubasa (second voice)

 * 1999
 * Digimon Adventure – Pumpkinmon
 * Elf-ban Kakyūsei – Ai's Mother
 * Great Teacher Onizuka – Momoi
 * Kindaichi Case Files – Shigure Asagi (Ep. 101)

 * 2000
 * Hamtaro – Daisy, Flora
 * One Piece – Pepper
 * Kindaichi Case Files – Yuko Sakamoto
 * Gensomaden Saiyuki – Qiuhua (Ep. 19)
 * Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters – Mai Kujaku

 * 2001
 * Digimon Tamers – Ai
 * Shiawase Sou no Okojo-san – Narrator
 * Soreike! Anpanman – Bikubiku-chan
 * Fruits Basket – Kana Sohma, Kisa's Mother
 * The Prince of Tennis – Yūki Akutsu

 * 2002
 * One Piece – Dip
 * Tokyo Underground – Ruri Sarasa
 * Digimon Frontier – Calmaramon, Ranamon
 * Full Moon o Sagashite – Sasaki
 * Bomberman Jetters – Rui, Hiroshi

 * 2003
 * Ashita no Nadja – Madam Reinhardt
 * Ikki Tousen – Kaku Bunwa
 * Galaxy Angel AA – Harry's Wife
 * Konjiki no Gash Bell!! – Djem, Kazu, Waifu, Yun
 * Saiyuki Reload – Minto (Ep. 13)

 * 2004
 * Naruto – Tsunade (young)
 * Kyo Kara Maoh! – Nina
 * Legendz: Tale of the Dragon Kings – Chiagall
 * Monster – Izzy
 * R.O.D the TV – Haruhi's Manager (Ep. 10)
 * Samurai 7 – Shika (Eps. 11, 17, 26)
 * Tenjho Tenge – Emi Isuzu
 * Zoids: Fuzors – Lillin

 * 2005
 * Futari wa Pretty Cure Max Heart – Hikaru Kujo, Nonomiya
 * Amaenaide yo!! – Sakura Sugai
 * Elemental Gelade – Eve
 * Fushigiboshi no Futagohime – Camellia, Mrs. Butterfly, Nalro
 * Glass Mask – Namie Tamura; Ragneid; Sugiko Yamashita
 * Hell Girl – Ryoko's Mother (Ep. 2)

 * 2006
 * Wan Wan Celeb Soreyuke! Tetsunoshin – Victora, Kaoruko Inuyama
 * Amaenaide yo!! Katsu!! – Sakura Sugai
 * Yume Tsukai – Yūko Aomori (Ep. 3)
 * Air Gear – Ikki (young)
 * Yoake Mae yori Ruriiro na: Crescent Love – Haruhi Takamizawa
 * Fushigiboshi no Futagohime Gyu! – Camellia
 * Digimon Savers – Piyomon
 * Shōnen Onmyōji – Tatsuki, Utsugi
 * Ghost Hunt – Noriko Morishita
 * Kiba – Morina
 * Red Garden – Kate's Mother

 * 2007
 * Gintama – Ofusa (Eps. 51–52)
 * Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann – Cybela Coutaud
 * Deltora Quest – Sharn

 * 2008
 * A Penguin's Troubles – Matsura
 * Minami-ke ~Okawari~ – Miss Kumada
 * Rosario + Vampire – Kasumi Aono
 * Rosario + Vampire Capu2 – Kasumi Aono

 * 2009
 * Detective Conan – Kaoru Hayashi
 * Crayon Shin-chan – Midori Ishizaka (second voice)
 * Minami-ke: Okaeri – Miss Kumada
 * Naruto Shippuden – Rin Nohara, Tsunade (young)
 * Ristorante Paradiso – Olga
 * Welcome to Irabu's Office – Mrs. Ikeyama (Ep. 5)

 * 2010
 * A Penguin's Troubles Max – Matsuura

 * 2011
 * Bakugan Battle Brawlers: Gundalian Invaders – Fabia Sheen
 * C – Control – The Money and Soul of Possibility – Hanabi's Mother
 * Cross Fight B-Daman – Kakeru's Mother
 * A Penguin's Troubles DX? – Matsuura
 * Mitsudomoe Zōryōchū! – Ms. Kaieda

 * 2012
 * Detective Conan – Sumika Konno

 * 2013
 * Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya – Sella
 * Minami-ke: Tadaima – Miss Kumada

 * 2014
 * Ai Tenchi Muyo! – Ayeka Masaki Jurai
 * Dragonar Academy – Angela Cornwell
 * Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya 2wei – Sella
 * Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works – Sella
 * Future Card Buddyfight – Halberd Dragon, Hanae Jūmonji, Kyōya Gaen, Ryōmi Mikado, Stella Watson, Suzumi Mikadō

 * 2015
 * Kamisama Hajimemashita @ – Kirihito's Mother (Ep. 4)
 * Shōnen Hollywood -Holly Stage for 50- – Saori Kazehara
 * Hibike! Euphonium – Akiko Ōmae
 * Future Card Buddyfight 100 – Ryōmi Mikado, Stella Watson
 * Detective Conan – Mitsuru Mamiya

 * 2016
 * Future Card Buddyfight Triple D – Hanae Jūmonji, Ryōmi Mikado
 * Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya 3rei!! – Sella

 * 2018
 * Saiyuki Reload Blast – Rei

 * 2020
 * Plunderer – Greengrocer Lady / Avsayette Vremya

Theatrical animation

 * Digimon Frontier: Island of Lost Digimon – Ranamon
 * Gurren Lagann the Movie – The Lights in the Sky Are Stars – Cybela Coutaud
 * Naruto the Movie 3: Guardians of the Crescent Moon Kingdom – Karenbana
 * Naruto Shippuden the Movie: The Will of Fire – Rin Nohara

Live-action

 * 24 – Carla Matheson (Tracy Middendorf), Meredith Reed (Jennifer Westfeldt)
 * The Brothers Grimm – Greta
 * Buffy the Vampire Slayer – Dawn Summers (Michelle Trachtenberg)
 * Bully – Claudia (Nathalie Paulding)
 * The Chef – Beatrice
 * College Road Trip – Trey Porter
 * Cooties – Lucy McCormick (Alison Pill)
 * Date Movie – Betty Jones (Marie Matiko)
 * Deck the Halls – Ashley Hall
 * Drop Dead Diva – Stacy Barrett (April Bowlby)
 * Episodes – Carol Rance (Kathleen Rose Perkins)
 * The Fast and the Furious – Gimel
 * Gone Girl – Ellen Abbott (Missi Pyle)
 * Like Mike – Reg Stevens (Brenda Song)
 * The Lookout – Luvlee Lemons (Isla Fisher)
 * Merlin's Apprentice – Brianna (Meghan Ory)
 * Nikita – Leela Kantaria (Kathleen Munroe)
 * Prom Night – Donna Keppel (Brittany Snow)
 * The Reef – Kate (Zoe Naylor)
 * Rizzoli & Isles – Courtney Brown (Andrea Bogart)
 * See No Evil – Kira Vanning (Samantha Noble)
 * Skyline – Candice (Brittany Daniel)
 * Vacation – Audrey Griswold-Crandall (Leslie Mann)
 * The Way, Way Back – Joan (Amanda Peet)
 * Wild Things: Diamonds in the Rough – Jenny Bellamy (Claire Coffee)
 * Y Tu Mamá También – Cecilia Huerta (María Aura)

Animation

 * Baby Looney Tunes – Baby Melissa
 * Invader Zim – Gaz Membrane
 * Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius – Britney
 * Kick Buttowski: Suburban Daredevil – Jackie "Wacky" Wackerman

Video games

 * The King of Fighters XIV – Angel
 * Digimon ReArise – NoblePumpkinmon

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People who have spammed on Usenet.

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Uthamar Kovil

Uthamar Kovil (also known as Thirukkarambanoor or Bhikshandar Kovil) in Uthamarkoil, a village in the outskirts of Tiruchirappalli in the South Indian state of Tamil Nadu, is dedicated to the Hindu Trimurti of Vishnu, Shiva, and Brahma. Constructed in the Dravidian style of architecture, the temple is glorified in the Nalayira Divya Prabandham, the early medieval Tamil canon of the Alvar saints from the 6th–9th centuries CE. It is one of the 108 Divya Desams dedicated to Vishnu, who is worshipped as Purushothaman Perumal (also called as Purushothamar) and his consort Lakshmi as Poornavalli Thayar.

Purushottamar is believed to have appeared to Hindu gods Brahma and Shiva, to relieve Shiva off his sins committed while cutting one of Brahma's heads. The temple is one of the few historical temples in India where the images of the Trimurti, Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma are housed in the same premises. It is one of the two temples in Chola Nadu where the trinity can be seen in the same premises, the other being Hara Saabha Vimocchana Perumal Temple at Thirukkandiyur.

The temple is believed to have been built by the Medieval Cholas of the late 8th century CE, with later contributions from Vijayanagara kings and Madurai Nayaks. A granite wall surrounds the temple, enclosing all its shrines, while the temple tank is located outside the main gateway.

Six daily rituals and four yearly festivals are held at the temple for each of trinities. The major festival of the temple, the Brahmotsavam, is celebrated during the Tamil month of Kartikai (November – December) when festival images of both Purushotamar and Bikshadanar are carried together in the streets surrounding the temple. The temple is maintained and administered by the Hindu Religious and Endowment Board of the Government of Tamil Nadu.

Etymology and legend
As per Hindu legend, the god Vishnu emerged as a Kadamba tree here, giving the name Kathambanur, which later became Karambanur. The name Karambanur is mentioned by Thirumangai Alvar in Nalayira Divya Prabandam, in which he refers to the presiding deity as "Karambanur Uthaman". The temple is commonly called "Uthamar Kovil" derived from the presiding deity. The temple is also called Bhikshandar Kovil as the god Shiva is present in the form of Bhikshandar (a mendicant) and believed to have attained cure by worshiping Vishnu at this place.

As per Hindu legend, once Vishnu wanted to test the devotion of the god Brahma. He raised as a Kadamba tree in the place; Brahma worshipped him with thirumanjanam (ablution). The water from the ablution filled a tank nearby, which came to be known as "Kathamba Theertham". Vishnu was satisfied with the devotion of Brahma and gave a boon to Brahma to have a shrine in this place. Shiva wanted to expiate the sin for decapitating a head of Brahma and went on a pilgrimage. Here, Vishnu requested his consort Lakshmi to give alms to Shiva. Shiva's grail was filled by the alms and Lakshmi came to be known as Poornavalli Thayar (the one who filled the grail).

As per another legend, Brahma and Shiva both had originally five heads. Parvati, the wife of Shiva, once got confused and worshipped Brahma, instead of her husband. Shiva got enraged and cut off one of Brahma's heads; the head stuck in Shiva's hand due to Brahma's curse. To atone for the sin, Shiva worshipped Vishnu here; Shiva was fully relieved of the curse after worshipping Vishnu at Hara Saabha Vimocchana Perumal Temple.

According to another Hindu legend, the temple is believed to have been constructed by Janaka, the king of Janakapuri and the father of the goddess Sita. Thirumangai Alvar is believed to have resided in the temple to build the surrounding walls of the Srirangam Ranganathaswamy temple.

Temple
The temple is believed to have been built by the Medieval Cholas of the late 8th century CE, with later contributions from Vijayanagara kings and Madurai Nayaks. During the war between British and French in 1751, the temple acted as an infantry for both the troops. There was no damage done to the temple during the war.

A granite wall surrounds the temple, enclosing all its shrines. The temples has images and separate shrines for Purushottamar (Vishnu), Bhikshadanar (Shiva), Brahma and their respective consorts Poornavalli (Lakshmi), Soundarya Parvati and Saraswati. This is one of the few historical Hindu temples in the world, where the Hindu Trimurti are worshipped along with their consorts in six separate shrines within the same temple complex. The central shrine facing East houses the image of Vishnu, as Purushottamar, in reclining posture, similar to the idol of Ranganatha at the nearby temple in Srirangam with the discus in one hand and the procession idols of Vishnu, Lakshmi and Bhumi (Earth goddess). The roof or vimana of the central shrine is called Udhyoga Vimana. There are two shrines located to the south east, each housing the image of Poornavalli and Mahalakshmi. The Shiva shrine, located behind Vishnu's, houses the lingam (aniconic form of Shiva) as Bhikshadanar. The granite images of the deities Ganesha (son of Shiva and god of wisdom), Murugan (son of Shiva and god of war), Nandi (the bull and vehicle of Shiva) and Navagraha (nine planetary deities) are located in the hall leading to the Shiva sanctum. As in other Shiva temples of Tamil Nadu, the first precinct of the Shiva shrine has images of Dakshinamurthy (Shiva as the Teacher), Durga (warrior-goddess) and Chandikeswarar (a saint and devotee of Shiva). The shrines of Brahma and his consort Saraswati are located in the south west corner of the temple complex.

The Saptaguru or seven gurus (teachers) are identified in the temple. The seven are Bhikshadanar (representing Sadasiva Guru, Shiva as a guru), Brahma (Brahma Guru), Soundarya Parvati (Shakti Guru, the Goddess as a guru), Brihaspati (Deva Guru, the teacher of the gods), Varadarajaperumal (Vishnu Guru), Murugan (Gnana Guru, the guru of knowledge) and Shukra (Asura Guru, the guru of demons).

Festival and administration

The temple priests perform the puja (rituals) during festivals and on a daily basis. The priests of the Bhikshadanar shrine belong to the Shaiva community, while the priests of Purushothamar are from Vaishnava community. The temple rituals are performed six times a day; Ushathkalam at 5:30 a.m., Kalasanthi at 8:00 a.m., Uchikalam at 10:00 a.m., Sayarakshai at 5:00 p.m., Irandamkalam at 7:00 p.m. and Ardha Jamam at 8:30 p.m. The Shaiva and Vaishnava sects have their own rituals. The ritual of Bhikshadanar comprises four steps: abhisheka (sacred bath), alangaram (decoration), naivethanam (food offering) and deepa aradanai (waving of lamps) for both Bhikshadanar and Soundarya Parvati. The worship is held amidst religious instructions in the Vedas (sacred texts) read by priests and prostration by worshippers in front of the temple mast. There are weekly rituals like somavaram (Monday) and sukravaram (Friday), fortnightly rituals like pradosham and monthly festivals like amavasai (new moon day), kiruthigai, pournami (full moon day) and sathurthi for Bhikshadanar. The major festival of the temple, the Brahmotsavam, is celebrated during the Tamil month of Kartigai (November – December) when festival images of both Purushothamar and Bhikshadanar are carried together in the streets surrounding the temple. Kadambha Tiruvila is a festival celebrated in the temple when the festival image of Ranganatha (a form of Vishnu) is brought to the Kadambha tank of the temple for Theerthavari. The temple is maintained and administered by the Hindu Religious and Endowment Board of the Government of Tamil Nadu.

Religious significance
Uthamar Kovil is one of the two temples in Chola Nadu where the trinity can be seen in the same premises, the other being Hara Saabha Vimocchana Perumal Temple at Thirukkandiyur. Trimurti in Hindu mythology refers to the cosmic functions of creation, maintenance, and destruction. They are personified by the forms of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver, and Shiva, the destroyer.

The temple is revered in Nalayira Divya Prabandham, the 7th–9th century Vaishnava canon, by Thirumangai Alvar in ten hymns. The temple is classified as a Divya Desam, one of the 108 Vishnu temples that are mentioned in the book. Thirumangai Alvar have sung in praise of the perumal in this temple with one pasuram (hymn).

Periyavachan Pillai, who translated the verses of Thirumangai Alvar, glorifies the temple as "the one without doors where devotees can always visit and worship".

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Junko Takeuchi

Junko Takeuchi (竹内 順子) is a Japanese actress and voice actress employed by Ogipro The Next Co. Inc. & BQMAP. Taking a well-trod path by many voice actresses, she often voices young male characters with generally very quirky and goofy personalities. One of her most well-known roles includes Naruto Uzumaki from the popular anime series Naruto. She has played Takuya Kanbara in Digimon Frontier, Rin Natsuki/Cure Rouge in Yes! PreCure 5, Metabee in Medabots, Mamoru Endou in Inazuma Eleven and Inazuma Eleven GO, Gon Freecss in the 1999 version of Hunter × Hunter, MrBeast in the Japanese dub of MrBeast and GingerBrave in the Japanese dub of Cookie Run: Kingdom.

Personal life
She is the youngest of three children. As a child she studied ballet and piano for seven and a half years. She enrolled in 1991 at Nihon University, College of Art but dropped out two years later. For several years she worked as a shoe salesperson and gave piano lessons at a private school in Tokyo. Originally she wanted to work in a bank office. In 1996 she joined BQ MAP Theater Company where she had several stage appearances. She met voice actor Kenji Hamada in 1999. They married in 2006. Their first child was born in 2012 and the other one in 2017.

Film

 * Naruto the Movie: Ninja Clash in the Land of Snow (2004) – Naruto Uzumaki
 * Naruto the Movie: Legend of the Stone of Gelel (2005) – Naruto Uzumaki
 * Naruto the Movie: Guardians of the Crescent Moon Kingdom (2006) – Naruto Uzumaki
 * Naruto Shippuden the Movie (2007) – Naruto Uzumaki
 * Yes! PreCure 5 the Movie: Great Miraculous Adventure in the Mirror Kingdom! (2007) – Rin Natsuki/Cure Rouge
 * Naruto Shippuden the Movie: Bonds (2008) – Naruto Uzumaki
 * Yes! PreCure 5 GoGo! the Movie: Happy Birthday in the Sweets Kingdom (2008) – Rin Natsuki/Cure Rouge
 * Tamagotchi: Happiest Story in the Universe! (2008) – Kikitchi
 * Naruto Shippuden the Movie: The Will of Fire (2009) – Naruto Uzumaki
 * Pretty Cure All Stars DX: Minna Tomodachi— Kiseki no Zenin Daishūgō (2009) – Rin Natsuki/Cure Rouge
 * Naruto Shippuden the Movie: The Lost Tower (2010) – Naruto Uzumaki
 * Inazuma Eleven The Movie: The Final Force, The Ogre Team Strikes (2010) – Mamoru Endō
 * Pretty Cure All Stars DX2: Kibō no Hikari— Rainbow Jewel o Mamore! (2010) – Rin Natsuki/Cure Rouge
 * Naruto Shippuden the Movie: Blood Prison (2011) – Naruto Uzumaki
 * Pretty Cure All-Stars DX3 Mirai ni Todoke! Sekai o Tsunagu Niji-Iro no Hana (2011) – Rin Natsuki/Cure Rouge
 * Onegai My Melody: Yu&Ai (2012) – Kuromi
 * Road to Ninja: Naruto the Movie (2012) – Naruto Uzumaki
 * Inazuma Eleven GO vs Danball Senki W (2012) – Mamoru Endō
 * Pretty Cure All-Stars New Stage 3: Eien no Tomodachi (2014) – Rin Natsuki/Cure Rouge
 * Inazuma Eleven Chou Jigen Dream Match (2014) – Mamoru Endō
 * The Last: Naruto the Movie (2014) – Naruto Uzumaki
 * Boruto: Naruto the Movie (2015) – Naruto Uzumaki
 * Digimon Adventure: Last Evolution Kizuna (2020) – Gomamon
 * Healin' Good Pretty Cure GoGo! Big Transformation! The Town of Dreams (2021) – Rin Natsuki/Cure Rouge

Drama CDs

 * Mainichi Seiten! – Mayumi Obinata
 * Soul Eater – Maka Albarn
 * The Day of Revolution – Kei/Megumi Yoshikawa
 * Yours For An Hour – Haru Hinomoto

Video games

 * Puzzle Star Sweep (1997) – Domingo
 * Street Fighter Zero 3 (1998) – R. Mika
 * Garou: Mark of the Wolves (1999) – Hokutomaru
 * Hunter × Hunter: Altar of Dragon Vein (2001) – Gon Freecss
 * Naruto video games (2003–present) – Naruto Uzumaki
 * Radiata Stories (2005) – Jack Russell
 * Ape Escape 3 (2005) – Satoru
 * Quantum Leap Layzelber (2005) – Chyota
 * Corpse Seed (2007) – Honoka Yamato
 * Inazuma Eleven (2008) – Mamoru Endō
 * Inazuma Eleven 2 (2009) – Mamoru Endō
 * Inazuma Eleven 3 (2010) – Mamoru Endō, Kanon Endō
 * Inazuma Eleven Strikers (2011) – Mamoru Endō, Kanon Endō
 * Inazuma Eleven Strikers 2012 Xtreme (2011) – Mamoru Endō, Kanon Endō
 * Inazuma Eleven GO (2011) – Mamoru Endō
 * Inazuma Eleven GO 2: Chrono Stone (2012) – Mamoru Endō
 * Inazuma Eleven GO: Galaxy (2013) – Mamoru Endō
 * Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Links (2016) – Mokuba Kaiba
 * Onmyoji (2016) – Zashiki Warashi
 * Yo-kai Watch: Wibble Wobble (2017-2019) – Kuromi, Mamoru Endō
 * Fire Emblem Heroes (2019) – Louise, Lugh
 * Inazuma Eleven SD (2020) – Mamoru Endō
 * Cookie Run: Kingdom (2021) – GingerBrave

Live-action

 * Bull – Marissa Morgan (Geneva Carr)
 * Cop Car – Travis (James Freedson-Jackson)
 * Frailty – young Fenton (Matt O'Leary)
 * The Golden Compass (2010 TV Asahi edition) – Billy Costa (Charlie Rowe)
 * A Lot like Love – Emily Friehl (Amanda Peet)
 * Snake Eyes – Ana DeCobray / Baroness (Úrsula Corberó)
 * The Thing About Pam – Leah Askey (Judy Greer)
 * Touch – Jacob Bohm (David Mazouz)
 * MrBeast – MrBeast (Jimmy Donaldson)

Animation

 * The Amazing World of Gumball – Gumball Watterson
 * Beat Bugs – Jay
 * Curious George – Bill
 * Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem – Wingnut
 * Toy Story 4 – Giggle McDimples
 * W.I.T.C.H. – Taranee Cook
 * Zootopia – Dawn Bellwether

Songs

 * "Oh! Enka!" (Naruto)
 * "Life Goes On" (Naruto)
 * "Naruto's Neko Song" (Naruto)
 * "Gyu-ru-ru" (as Naruto Uzumaki) (Naruto)
 * "Touki ~Fighting Spirits~" (Naruto)
 * "Naruto Ondo" (as Naruto Uzumaki) (Naruto (with Chie Nakamura and Showtaro Morikubo))
 * "Distance" (as Naruto Uzumaki) (Naruto All Stars)
 * "Tsubomi" (as Naruto Uzumaki) (Naruto All Stars)
 * "Salamander" (as Takuya Kanbara) (Digimon Frontier)
 * Secret Rendezvous (as Takuya Kanbara) (Digimon Frontier)
 * "Muteki na Bataashi" (as Gomamon) (Digimon Adventure 02)
 * "Sora wo Kurooru (as Gomamon) (Digimon Adventure 02 (with Masami Kikuchi))
 * "Chie to Yuuki da! Medarotto" (as Metabee) (Medarot)
 * Kaze no Muki ga Kattara (as Gon) (Hunter x Hunter)
 * Tobira (Gon and Killua version) (Hunter x Hunter (with Mitsuhashi Kanako))
 * Hunter Ondo (Hunter x Hunter (with Mitsuhashi Kanako and Kaida Yuki and Goda Hozumi))
 * GONtte yatsu wa (Hunter x Hunter (with Mitsuhashi Kanako and Kaida Yuki and Goda Hozumi))
 * ONNAtte subarashii (as Jango-sama) (Hunter x Hunter)
 * Tabidachi (as Gon) (Hunter x Hunter)
 * Taisetsuna koto (as Gon) (Hunter x Hunter (with Mitsuhashi Kanako))
 * Te o Tsunaide (as Gon) (Hunter x Hunter (with Mitsuhashi Kanako))
 * Futari (Ask Dr. Rin! (with Kana Kouguchi))
 * Tomo Yo (as Ted) (Konjiki no Gash Bell!!)
 * Kuroi Hitomi (as Kuromi) (Onegai My Melody)
 * Kuromi Rondo (as Kuromi) (Onegai My Melody)
 * Kuromi Punk (as Kuromi) (Onegai My Melody)
 * Lambo-san's Ambition (as Lambo) (Reborn)
 * Gyouza Gyuudon no Uta (as Lambo ) ("Reborn") (with Li Mei Chan)
 * Yakusoku no Bashou (as Lambo ) ("Reborn") (with Vongola's Family)
 * A fun song (as Lambo ) ("Reborn") (with Li Mei Chan)
 * Tatta Latta (as Lambo ) ("Reborn") (with Li Mei Chan, Yuuna Inamura, Satomi Akesaka and Hitomi Yoshida
 * Mirai no Oozora e (as Lambo ) ("Reborn") (with Vongola's Family)
 * Mata ne no Kisetsu – 7th ending to Inazuma Eleven (as Endou Mamoru)
 * Mamotte Miseru! – (Inazuma Eleven CD – Endou Mamoru Character Songs)
 * Dakara Zettai Daijoubu – (Inazuma Eleven) as Endou Mamoru
 * Maji de Kansha (as Endou Mamoru) (Inazuma Eleven cast)
 * Reversible – (as Rin Natsuki) (Yes! PreCure 5)
 * Jounetsu – (as Rin Natsuki) (Yes! PreCure 5)
 * Okaerinasai – (as Rin Natsuki) (Yes! PreCure 5 GoGo!) (with Yūko Sanpei)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sreenivas

Sreenivas
Delete. Vanity page.-gadfium (talk) 08:11, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a roast, alas. Samaritan 12:57, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Possible vanity, more likely a joke at someone else's expense. Andrewa 16:51, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, graffiti, almost a speedy. Wyss 18:38, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, I'd like to expand CSD to include pages that incorrectly use leading spaces.  --fvw *  08:08, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)
 * Delete: DCEdwards1966 21:33, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * delete --Melaen 14:55, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Datareader

Datareader
Neologism, and a dictionary definition too. It gets lots of google hits, but I didn't see any for this usage - it's a common name for an object type in programming. Cdc 08:12, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: The article is almost gibberish. It was created by use "Datareader" whose only edit was to create this article. DCEdwards1966 09:04, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete this PoV nonsense, anyway the usage described is nn. Wyss 18:36, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, neologism, word not in use with that meaning. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:49, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete  --fvw *  08:18, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)


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Talk:Aircraft pilot

Life expectancy
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevevernon/2019/07/12/no-delaying-retirement-wont-cause-you-to-die-sooner/ "According to Julie Curtis, Boeing’s director of actuarial services, this graph has no basis in fact. It, and charts like it, have circulated for at least 20 years and, ‘although completely untrue, have become an urban legend.’ Curtis states flatly, ‘Just as important, our data show that the life expectancy of a Boeing retiree does not depend on the age at retirement.’" cagliost (talk) 12:27, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

 * From Boeing themselves:
 * https://archive.org/details/boeing-lets-retire-the-rumor-about-life-expectancy-7.30.2004
 * "“The idea that working longer will shorten a Boeing employee’s life expectancy simply isn’t true,” said Julie Curtis, an actuary at Boeing. I’ve been looking at the data since 1983, and the length of a retiree's life is unrelated to the age at his or her retirement." cagliost (talk) 23:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Also denounced as bogus here: https://www.sandia.gov/LabNews/LN11-16-01/labnews11-16-01.pdf cagliost (talk) 23:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

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Reference.com

Reference.com is an online encyclopedia that organizes content that uses a question-and-answer format. Articles are organized into hierarchical categories.

Before IAC restructured the site following an acquisition in 2008, Reference.com comprised multiple reference works, and disclosed its sources.

History

Reference.com was launched by InReference, Inc in February 1997. The site was later acquired by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. In 2005, Lexico announced that Reference.com would begin offering searches of Wikipedia content.

The popularity of Dictionary.com had been greatly boosted by Google's practice of offering a link at the top of their search results that goes to the Dictionary.com definition. This exclusive relationship was terminated without explanation to the public when the Google links were redirected to definitions at Answers.com. (In December 2009, the Answers.com links were replaced with Google's own dictionary.) Google added a Dictionary.com definition link for certain search words in a non-exclusive relationship (along with links to definitions from a few other commercial reference websites). On 3 July 2008, IAC acquired Lexico Publishing Group, LLC and its three properties: Thesaurus.com, Reference.com, and Dictionary.com.

User tracking
Reference.com in 2010 topped the list compiled by The Wall Street Journal ranking websites by how many third-party tracking cookies were added to the user's computer. Reference.com added 234 tracking cookies when encountering a first-time user.

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User:Greatbigtwit

You have two cows. --Exparrot 08:01, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC) You have one cows. --Greatbigtwit 08:23, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC) You have one cow. --Greatbigtwit 08:24, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC) You have one cow. --Vardion 08:32, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC) You have two cows. --Exparrot 08:35, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC) Thou hast a single bovine. --Weldingfish 10:06, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikiism:

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Das Grenzland

Das Grenzland
Trivia about a specific gaming forum. The article does not establish notability. Cdc 08:19, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete. So nn it's hard to find in google (random articles with the german word get higher rank). --Wikimol 14:23, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, nn  --fvw *  08:18, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)


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User talk:Greatbigtwit

Greatbigtwit is a good personal friend of mine. His writing style certainly enlivens Wikipedia. --Exparrot 08:21, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC) The preceeding comment is rubbish. --Exparrot 06:49, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

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Flagship (company)

Flagship Co., Ltd. (株式会社フラグシップ) was an independent Japanese video game developer funded by Capcom, Nintendo, and Sega located in Chūō-ku, Osaka Japan that was founded by game designer Yoshiki Okamoto. Flagship has often created scenarios for new and existing products, and has developed for Nintendo several times on the Game Boy Color and Game Boy Advance. Their last video game was Kirby: Squeak Squad for the Nintendo DS.

History
Flagship was founded by Yoshiki Okamoto on April 24, 1997. Funds and personnel for the startup were provided by Capcom, Sega, and Nintendo. The developer's first project was a series of episodic, Sega Saturn-exclusive RPGs, but it was never released.

In May 2007, Capcom announced Flagship would cease to exist from June 1, 2007, and their employees merged into Capcom's main studio. Quoting GameSpot's news on the dissolution of Flagship Studios "According to a Capcom spokesperson, while the Flagship name is getting the axe, its employees won't be. Noting that the only thing to change will be the company name on their business cards, the spokesperson said all Flagship staffers are expected to continue working at the publisher in the same capacities".

Drama albums

 * BIO HAZARD DRAMA ALBUM ~Fate of Raccoon City~ Vol.1
 * BIO HAZARD DRAMA ALBUM ~Fate of Raccoon City~ Vol.2
 * BIO HAZARD DRAMA ALBUM ~Fate of Raccoon City~ Vol.3
 * BIOHAZARD 2 DRAMA ALBUM ~Sherry, the Little Runaway~
 * BIOHAZARD 2 DRAMA ALBUM ~Ada, the Female Spy, is Alive~

Novels

 * BIO HAZARD The Phantom Beast of the North Sea

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User:Exparrot

My personal website is located at http://finch.am

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About User Jkl_Sem

Greetings -- I live in the Seattle, Washington area (USA) and am currently out of work (so I have a ton of free time on my hands).

I enjoy fixing typos and grammatical errknjjhjjhjkjiljkeiyxjhgfhzffjlgfnvgmlfhfcgxb gjkudjdjhcncjhdyiyd$ou fgjhjjuucnbxhk.

ors, so please don't take offense! They just jump out at me, and hopefully I've helped make your entry look more professional.

Larger versions of the pictures I've placed on this website (as well as others covering the same subjects) are available for commercial/noncommercial use -- max resolution is 1024x768 in .jpg format. Please contact me if interested.

Thanks for dropping by my page... more to come later.

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No One Is Innocent (song)

"No One Is Innocent" was the fifth single by the British punk rock band the Sex Pistols. It was released on 30 June 1978. The Pistols had split up early in 1978, losing bassist Sid Vicious and original lead vocalist Johnny Rotten. "No One Is Innocent" was recorded by remaining members Paul Cook and Steve Jones, with vocals performed by Ronnie Biggs, a British criminal notorious for his part in the Great Train Robbery of 1963. At the time of "No One Is Innocent" Biggs was living in Brazil, still wanted by the British authorities, but immune from extradition. The song was credited to Jones and Biggs.

Lyrical content
The lyrics refer to "God Save the Queen", by beginning each verse "God save...", followed by many, often unsavoury, characters, starting with the Sex Pistols themselves. There are references to Bill Grundy, the television host who had caused controversy two years earlier when Steve Jones swore on his live show, egged on by Grundy, as well as Martin Bormann and "Nazis on the run". Notorious child murderers Myra Hindley and Ian Brady are mentioned (with Hindley's surname mispronounced "Hind-ley"), along with politicians and the police (referred to as "pigs"), Idi Amin, and finally Biggs himself. The chorus goes, "Ronnie Biggs was doing time, until he done a bunk, now he says he's seen the light, and he's sold his soul for punk." (In UK slang, to "bunk", or "do a bunk", is to leave without permission; most frequently used to indicate skipping school or work, here it refers to Biggs' escape from the HM Prison Wandsworth and the UK.)

The final lines of the last verse are "God save the Good Samaritan and God save the worthless creep". Associating all the characters together, both good and bad (including themselves) while claiming that "no one is innocent" is exemplary of the nihilistic attitude of the Sex Pistols.

In an interview in the Daily Mirror around the time the record was released drummer Paul Cook said that 'god should save everyone, even evil people'.

Bormann, prankishly pictured as the band's uniformed bass player on the 12" pressing, is also mentioned in Biggs's recording of the earlier Pistols song "Belsen Was A Gas", another song which makes light of The Holocaust ("No One Is Innocent", while calling Brady "horrible", dismisses the Nazis as "they wasn't being wicked/it was their idea of fun"). Fleeing prosecution for war crimes following World War II, Bormann was for years thought to have escaped, like Biggs, to Brazil.

The title of the song was originally supposed to be "Cosh the Driver", a reference to the near-fatal beating that the train driver had suffered in Biggs's robbery years before. Virgin Records vetoed the idea, and the song eventually appeared as "No One Is Innocent (A Punk Prayer by Ronnie Biggs)". On the 12" pressing, the title became "The Biggest Blow", but subsequent releases on albums reverted to the original title.

The song reached number seven on the UK singles chart, and appears on the albums The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle and Flogging a Dead Horse. The B-side of both the 7" and 12" pressings was Sid Vicious's infamous rendering of Claude François, Jacques Revaux and Paul Anka's "My Way".

"No One Is Innocent"
The song was recorded at an unknown 16-track studio in Rio de Janeiro during Jones' and Cook's stay from mid-January to late February 1978. Lyrics and vocals were provided by Ronald Biggs: "The record was made in a church studio in Rio with the priest present, who seemed very happy. We were rather drunk by the time we came to make the recording, which explains why it may have appeared a little out of tune. We also recorded 'Belsen Was A Gas', which I must say I wasn't too happy about, and I was relieved that it didn't appear on the other side of 'No One Is Innocent', I did find these words a little disgusting."

The second song recorded, "Belsen Was A Gas", turned up on the movie soundtrack album of The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle in 1979. Overdubs to both songs were recorded at Wessex Studios in London with engineer Bill Price.

"My Way"
The backing track of the song was recorded at Studio de la Grande Armée in Paris on 10 April 1978 with engineer Emmanuel Guyot. French session musicians were used - Claude Engel on guitar, with the rhythm section from the disco band Voyage (Sauveur Mallia on bass guitar and Pierre-Alain Dahan on drums). The vocals were recorded on the same day, the final single version consisting of three different vocal takes.

Overdubs were recorded back at Wessex Studios in London with engineer Bill Price. Steve Jones added guitars and Simon Jeffes arranged an orchestral intro to the song.

The original backing track coupled with one of the three vocal takes was released on the album Sid Sings.

Producer Dave Goodman stated he created an unreleased mix of the song at Berwick Street Studios in London in June 1978, but the studio bill was not paid in time so his mix was delivered to the record company too late to be used on the single.

Charts

 * In the UK, the single spent 10 weeks in the Top 75 and reached #7 on 8 July 1978. For the 12 inch version, the song title was changed to "The Biggest Blow (A Punk Prayer by Ronald Biggs)".
 * Virgin Records released the single in West Germany, the Netherlands, Italy and Greece, but it did not chart.
 * Barclay Records released the single in France (with the song title changed to "Cosh The Driver (A Punk Prayer By Ronnie Biggs)" and A- and B-sides reversed), but it did not chart.
 * Wizard Records released the single in Australia, but it did not chart. For the 12 inch version, the song title was changed to "The Biggest Blow (A Punk Prayer By Ronald Biggs)".
 * Nippon Columbia released the single in Japan in August 1978, but it did not chart.
 * The Sex Pistols' US label Warner Brothers decided not to release the single in the USA.

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Talk:Sodium silicate

Chembox
Can the melting point be higher than the boiling point?
 * I'm suspecting the author has written the melting point as boiling point and vice versa. Therefore I'm going to do an experiment in a couple of days to see if it melts at 102 °C.
 * Got a hold of silica gel, it did not melt at over 102 °C.

Sodium Metasilicate is not the same!
Sodium Metasilicate redirects to this page, but has very different properties. It requires its own page. For a brief comparison see http://www.finishing.com/155/96.shtml. Can someone get that page started please? The text of this page should also be changed to reflect that these are not the same. On a (closely) related note, the silicic acid entry needs improvement, stats, pics, etc.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.80.77.131 (talk) 17:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

The article mentions waterglass and describes it as having SiO2/Na2O ratios from 2:1 to 3.75:1 so if that is correct Na2SiO3 would not be waterglass (its ratio is 1:1) and waterglass would deserve its own Wikipedia article (both articles crossreferencing each other but making a distinction). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.206.31.206 (talk) 01:44, 25 August 2012 (UTC) Ring silicates (cyklosilikates) also have the formula (SiO3^2-)k with k=3,4 or 6. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.206.31.206 (talk) 12:00, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I think the SiO2:Na2O-ratios are inverted. In reality the orthosilicate has a 1:2-ratio while the pyrosilicate has a 1:3 ratio. The 2-3.75:1 ratio makes no sense whatsoever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.251.145.66 (talk) 09:47, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Is silica gel pure silica? --207.81.94.148 03:08, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism ?
Is the following sentence nonsense or am I missing something? Rsduhamel 08:31, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Sodium silicate commands a 50 to 100 percent price premium over sodium hydroxide, and processors need the equivalent to 0.5 to 1 percent of it to the volume of crude oil as a neutralizing agent, depending on the acidity of the vegetable oil.

Found the original source of the sentence and fixed the article Rsduhamel 19:16, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Update
--PaladinZ06 22:05, 24 March 2006 (UTC) I've added some information, and changed the content of the timber treatment section. The use of sodium silicate as a wood preservative may not be common, but it was hardly dreamed up in 2005. I am in the process of using an old method at home that uses sodium silicate solution as a wood sealer/fireproofing which is then sprayed with a boric acid solution which keeps the bugs at bay and forces the sodium silicate to gel.

There are several common trade products available containing primarily sodium silicate for treating concrete and other masonry products.

I apologize for any errors I've introduced. I am a total newcomer to this. --PaladinZ06 22:05, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Dishwashing Detergent
I've noticed that my dishwasher detergent containts sodium silicate. This should probably be worked into the article.
 * MSTCrow 12:18, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Sodium metasilicate is also used as a replacement for trisodium phosphate in painting preparation/degreasing. It works well in dishwashing except for the attack of glass. Softer, soda-lime glass is attacked via common ion solution effect, leaving the glass cloudy. As such, automatic dishwashing detergents containing appreciable amounts of sodium metasilicate should only be used for non-glass items like metal and plastics. Glazed stoneware is also susceptible to attack.

 * Another major ingredient in dishwasher soap is sodium carbonate. My intuition is that the common ion effect, from the dissolved silicate ion of sodium silicate, should help reduce the attack by sodium carbonate on glass and glazes. I would appreciate a correction if I am wrong. --AJim (talk) 16:58, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

 * That whole section needs more info. See my comment in a section below. Cshay (talk) 00:13, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Silica Xerogel
According to the Nasa Space Sciences Questions and Answers FAQ (http://science.nasa.gov/faq/#anchor136932), sodium silicate gel, when air dried, forms silica xerogel, which is a similar to aerogel. Perhaps this wiki should be updated in regard to this?

Antifreeze (Bad!)
A friend of mine tried to use sodium silicate as an antifreeze in his car (prehaps misunderstanding its use as a cheap stop-leak compound). The stuff solidified while in his radiatior, requiring a complete cooling system replacement. Got2code 19:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Using it as antifreeze is probably quite bad but it is used as an antifreeze additive (corrossion inhibitor). If this is good or if it is better to use other inhibitors I can't tell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.206.31.206 (talk) 01:37, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

The structure picture is incorrect and misleading
Na2SiO3 does not contain discrete SiO32- ions- with VERY rare exceptions silicates contain 4 coordinate Si and in the case of Na2SiO3 this contains one of the simpler polymeric chain anions. I have tried to remove the picture - with no success- beats me!. I have added words that explain the structure but the picture needs replacing.--Axiosaurus (talk) 18:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The figure indicates that it is one repetition unit in a chain which seems reasonable and fitting with the formula. There are other chain silicates (inosilicates) e.g. wollastonite, a pyroxenoide with the formula CaSiO3 and the pyroxene jadeite NaAlSi2O3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.206.31.206 (talk) 01:33, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Someone want to add the fact that it is being used under the CARS act to distroy the engines of the "clunkers" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.161.117.130 (talk) 22:40, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Disodium oxosilanebis(olate) = inappropriate SystematicName
Problem with some content of the chembox:

| SystematicName = Disodium oxosilanebis(olate)

In organic chemistry, the suffix "olate" commonly refers to an alcoholate, not to the conjugated base of an inorganic acid. Disodium oxosilanebis(olate) is very misleading for the reader. The conjugated base of the metasilicic acid has to follow the same rules as for these of other inorganic acids whose base is also an oxyanion: e.g. All the rules of organic chemistry nomenclature are not directly transposable to inorganic compounds. The analogy with the carbon atom has its limits, even for silicon a close cousin of carbon. Shinkolobwe (talk) 14:45, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * sulfuric acid: sulfate and not sulfonate;
 * phosphoric acid: phosphate and not phosphonate.

Metasilicate represents a specific unit making a linear chain when concatenated together. According to the IUPAC Redbook (see Table IR-8.1, p. 128 on paper, p. 140 in the PDF file), the additive name of metasilicate is: catena-poly[(dioxidosilicate-µ-oxido)–1]. This name explicitly represents the species and is much more appropriated than the substitutive form only provided by User:Plasmic Physics. Shinkolobwe (talk) 16:59, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Substitutive names are most often not appropriate for inorganic compounds
Main discussion here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemicals. Cheers, Shinkolobwe (talk) 17:28, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Hereafter, a first excerpt from the IUPAC Redbook (see p. 5 on paper, p. 17 in the PDF file): IR-1.5.3 Systems of nomenclature | IR-1.5.3.1 General:

Three systems are of primary importance in inorganic chemistry, namely compositional, substitutive and additive nomenclature; they are described in more detail in Chapters IR-5, IR-6 and IR-7, respectively. Additive nomenclature is perhaps the most generally applicable in inorganic chemistry, but substitutive nomenclature may be applied in appropriate areas. These two systems require knowledge of the constitution (connectivity) of the compound or species being named. If only the stoichiometry or composition of a compound is known or to be communicated, compositional nomenclature is used.

Most of the problem recently encountered for the nomenclature of simple inorganic compounds such as different silicate obviously arose from a wrong interpretation of the IUPAC nomenclature system by User:Plasmic Physics. For inorganic compounds the compositional nomenclature (the simplest and the more classic one) is most often preferable and also officially recommended by IUPAC. The additive nomenclature which is more complex comes in second rank. Finally, the substitutive nomenclature is the less general nomenclature for inorganic compounds and previously requires the knowledge of the connectivity of the compound or species being named.

Hereafter, a second excerpt from the IUPAC Redbook (see p. 6 on paper, p. 18 in the PDF file):

IR-1.5.3.3 Substitutive nomenclature:

Substitutive nomenclature is used extensively for organic compounds, …. In particular it is used for naming organic ligands in the nomenclature of coordination and organometallic compounds, …

So, the substitutive nomenclature is only useful when an inorganic ligand is part of a more complex bio-organic or organo-metallic entity. This kind of complex nomenclature is best avoided if not necessary even in scientific publications. Most often, it is reserved to the only publications describing the first synthesis or the first determination of the crystallographic structure of a new compound. Interestingly, IUPAC itself acknowledges the fact that its own conventions may differ from these of the International Union of Crystallography and that the guidelines given in the Redbook are not definitive. This emphasizes the relativity of nomenclature rules.

This explains why most of the contributors to the Project Chemicals are strongly perturbed by the recent edits made by User:Plasmic Physics. Practically, I would propose to ban the use of substitutive IUPAC nomenclature for inorganic compounds when it is clearly not applicable or simply not useful. The compositional IUPAC nomenclature should be first privileged and if considered useful, the additive IUPAC nomenclature rule might be given. This solution could relief the recent tensions caused by the blind application of non-appropriate IUPAC rules in the chemboxes of inorganic compounds by User:Plasmic Physics.

Naturally, for organic substances, the substitutive IUPAC nomenclature certainly makes sense, and no limitations should be applied in the field of organic chemistry. Please, simply read the introduction of the Redbook which explains how to correctly use it. The most shocking feeling with the very complex substitutive IUPAC nomenclature rules applied to very simple inorganic compounds is that they all appear to be treated without reason as complex carbon-based organic molecules. And this non-necessary overcomplexity is highly disruptive for very simple inorganic molecules. Best regards, Shinkolobwe (talk) 16:59, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Dentistry?
There appears to be no word in the article about uses for dentistry. Anyone know why? Googling for info results in bad proprietary noise, and worse, often no real info at all (bad edits based on stolen text for domain placeholders and other web trash).

Superficially, to me (as an extreme non-expert), it seems that in reaction to tooth enamel and dentine it might form a nonsoluble calcium silicate that reduces porosity (and therefore sensitivity) and vulnerability to wear, and that the reaction might cease naturally at the surface in a way analogous to that of aluminium oxide on the surface of aluminium, and offer analogously similar advantages.

There is clearly some evidence (written on the sides of many dental products like gels and toothpastes) that something of this nature is intended, yet no mention of this exists in any form in the Wikipedia page for sodium silicate. If someone knows enough to correct this reliably, without some proprietary interest, please add it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.140.233 (talk) 14:56, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

 * This talkpage is for discussing maintanance, refer to WP:Reference desk/Science for unrelated questions. Plasmic Physics (talk) 23:50, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

The article on Home brewing (which I added to and edited) refers to its flocculant properties. However: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.139.247.229 (talk) 17:29, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Deflocculant / Deflocculant
In Ceramic production small quantities are added to clay slip. When the slip is poured out of the plaster mould a layer of clay is left behind on the surface to create the tableware, hollow decorative piece, wash-basin etc. The deflocculant stops the clay from settling out to the bottom of the mould; the particles stay in suspension while the necessary thickness builds on the plaster surface.<<Simon Armstrong, amateur potter in demonstration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.139.247.229 (talk) 17:59, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

According to the IUPAC definition, flocculation is "a process of contact and adhesion whereby the particles of a dispersion form larger-size clusters." Flocculation is synonymous with agglomeration, aggregation, and coagulation / coalescence.

See also: Flocculation. Shinkolobwe (talk) 15:39, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm a potter... sodium silicate is used in pottery as a DE-flocculant (opposite of a flocculant). Is this section correct (also the section titled "Water Treatment"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.51.49.118 (talk) 16:02, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

 * I am a potter. Potter unfortunately consistently use flocculant and DE-flocculant the wrong way around. When they do describe what the compound is doing it is the opposite of the word they use. Nzkennys (talk) 08:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Liquid glass?
I came to this article on redirect from "liquid glass" while looking for info on nanopool's product of that name. That product is sprayed onto surfaces leaving a 100 nanometer thick coating, which repels water and has anti-bacterial properties. As far as I can tell, the two materials are unrelated. There was considerable hype a couple of years ago, and this year the product won an award in a hospital setting. Should there be an article on this material? Lfstevens (talk) 19:06, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

 * I tried to add a link "For the company, see Liquid Glass Nanotech", but the stub article that I created for the company was speedily deleted as non-notable. Sorry. Maybe you can create an article on the product or company with references to prove its notability? --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 19:11, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

"Detergent auxiliaries"?
The term "detergent auxiliaries" is used without a definition. As far as I know it is not a standard english term. Seem to be industry jargon of some kind. It needs to be defined for laypeople to be able to understand. In general the detergent section needs a few more sentences. Cshay (talk) 00:10, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Formula in infobox
The molecular formula is given as Na2O3Si. This is not in accordance with the text. Tried to change it, but it didn't work. --Janke | Talk 19:28, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

 * Chembox moved to sodium metasilicate. --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 01:21, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Iron containing impurities
The very start of this article says: "The pure compositions are colourless or white, but commercial samples are often greenish or blue owing to the presence of iron-containing impurities."

The first thing that came into my mind when reading this was: greenish/blue-ish..., that rather points to copper-containing impurities (maybe in addition to the presence of iron-containing contaminants). Is someone able to verify this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.101.29.130 (talk) 10:50, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

 * Ferrous salts are usually lime green.  It is those ions that give the green color to green glass bottles and a slightly greenish tinge to common window glass.  Ferric  salts, in contrast, are usually orangish-yellow, orange, or orangish-brown.  They are responsible for the colors of rust, red/brown/tan dirt, common earthenware, and brown glass bottles. Magnetite, a combination of  and  oxides, is black.  IIANM, it (or combinations with other compounds) gives the black or dark grey color to basalt, obsidian, lava, and other volcanic rocks, to the black sand in beaches, to black pottery and to the "rust" on iron pans. --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 19:24, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

History section: Fuchs?
The history section is a bit confusing. It dismisses the earlier reports of potassium silicates in the 1500s and 1600s, and seems to claim that Fuchs was the inventor of "true" waterglass in 1818. However the references seems to say that his waterglass too was potassium, rather than sodium, silicate. What gives? --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 01:19, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Bad reference in Properties section
In the Properties section, reference [19] is not relevant, and refers instead to the war in Iraq! Ianactually (talk) 16:47, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Sealing of leaking - Bad unit conversion
In the section "Sealing of leaking water-containing structures" it states "...secretly buy 140 quarts (160 liters)". A liter is bigger than a quart, so this lacks credibility. I don't have the referenced source to discover which is incorrect. Please fix. OneByteAtATime (talk) 01:54, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

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