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Hetman of Zaporizhian Cossacks

Hetman of Zaporizhian Cossacks is a historical term that has multiple meanings.

Officially the post was known as Hetman of the Zaporizhian Host (Гетьман Війська Запорозького, Hetman Viiska Zaporozkoho). Hetman of Zaporizhian Cossacks as a title was not officially recognized internationally until the creation of the Cossack Hetmanate. With the creation of Registered Cossacks units their leaders were officially referred to as Senior of His Royal Grace Zaporozhian Host (старший його Королівської Милості Війська Запорозького, Starshyi Yoho Korolivskoi Mylosti Viiska Zaporozkoho). Before 1648 and the establishment of the Cossack Hetmanate there were numerous regional hetmans across the Dnieper-banks, who usually were starostas or voivodes.

The first widely recognized hetman of Zaporizhia was Dmytro Vyshnevetsky, after that several Polish starostas were added to the Hetman registry such as Lanckoroński and Daszkiewicz who also led their own cossack formations. According to Mykola Hrushevsky they were not really considered as hetman, at least by their contemporaries. Among other such starostas were Karpo Maslo from Cherkasy, Yatsko Bilous (Pereiaslav), Andrushko (Bratslav), and many others. Even Princes Konstanty Ostrogski and Bohdan Hlinski were conducting Cossack raids on Tatar uluses (districts).

The commanders of Zaporozhian Host (the Kish) often considered as hetmans in fact carried a title of Kish Otaman. As from 1572, hetman was the unofficial title of commanders of the Registered Cossack Army (Козаки реєстрові, Kozacy rejestrowi, Казаки реестровые) of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. From the 1648 Bohdan Khmelnytsky uprising, Hetman was the title of the head of the Cossack state, the Cossack Hetmanate. Cossack hetmans had very broad powers and acted as supreme military commanders and executive leader (by issuing administrative decrees).

After the split of Ukrainian territory along the Dnieper River by the Polish-Russian Treaty of Andrusovo 1667, there was an introduction of dual leadership for each bank, or for each Ukraine of Dnieper (left and right). After the Treaty of Andrusovo there existed two different Cossack Hetmanates with two Hetmans the one in Poland being called Nakazny Hetman of His Royal Mercy of Zaporizhian Host and the Russian one titled Hetman of His Tsar's Mercy of Zaporizhian Host.

Eventually the official state powers of Cossack Hetmans were gradually diminished in the 18th century, and finally abolished by Catherine II of Russia in 1764.

Cossack leaders

 * Przecław Lanckoroński (1506–1512), not an actual hetman, he was a starosta of Khmilnyk
 * Ostap Dashkevych (1506–1536), not an actual hetman, he was a starosta in charge of a defense force approved by the Sejm near Cherkasy. Dashkevych offered to create a defense force on the banks of the Lower Dnieper
 * Dmytro Vyshnevetsky (1550–1564), first who created a Cossack garrison at the Nyz Dnieprovski (Lower Dnieper) on the island of Small Khortytsia in 1552
 * Bohdan Ruzhynsky, member of Volhynia princedom, a leader who was sponsored by Moscow
 * Ivan Svirgovsky (1567–1574)
 * Ivan Pidkova (1577–1578), leader
 * Ivan Orishevsky (1579–1591)
 * Bogdan Mikoshinsky (1586–1594)
 * Kryshtof Kosynsky (1591–1593), otaman led the 1590 uprising after Janusz Ostrogski confiscated his lands near Bila Tserkva that were awarded to him by the Sejm
 * Hryhory Loboda (1593–1596), Hetman of Zaporizhia
 * Severyn Nalyvaiko (1596), an Ostrogski recruit who fought against the Kosiński Uprising, led his own uprising in Podolie and Volhynia independent from Hryhory Loboda
 * Lubny massacre, a massacre that was conducted by the Polish army led by Hetman Zolkiewski. After that battle the Cossack movement was greatly reduced within the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth
 * Krempski, Hetman of Zaporizhia, was elected during the siege near Lubny and later managed to escape with a small number of other cossacks
 * Vasylevych, Hetman of Zaporizhia
 * Nechkovsky, Hetman of Zaporizhia
 * Tykhin Baybuza (1597–1598), Hetman of Zaporizhia
 * Samiylo Kishka (1599–1601), Hetman of Zaporizhia, managed to reinstate the rights of cossacks in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth
 * Petro Konashevych-Sahaidachny led successful campaigns against the Tatars and the Turks, aided the Polish army at Moscow in 1618 and at the Battle of Khotyn in 1621. He also saw Cossack interests in the independence of Ukraine from Poland.
 * Mykhailo Doroshenko (1623–1628)
 * Hryhoriy Chorny (1628–1630), elected by Registered Cossacks
 * Taras Fedorovych (1629–1630), elected by unregistered Cossacks
 * Ivan Sulyma (1630–1635)
 * Ivan Petrizhitsky-Kulaga (1631–1632)
 * Tomilenko (1635–1637)
 * Savva Kononovych (1637), former Pereyaslav polkovnyk
 * Pavel Mikhnovych, better known as Pavel Pavluk, the leader of 1637 uprising
 * Karp Skydan, Pavlyuk's assistant, headed the 1637 uprising while Pavlyuk returned to Zaporizhia
 * Battle between Moshny and Ros on 6 December 1637
 * Ilyash Karaimovych (1637), Mykola Potocki's appointee of Registered Cossacks, Bohdan Khmelnytsky was appointed a pysar of Karaimovych.
 * Dmytro Hunia (1638), leader in Zaporizhia
 * Pyotr Mikhailovich Skarzhinsky (1788), 1st Commander of Buh Cossacks Army.

Hetmans of Cossack Hetmanate
Historians such as Mykola Arkas question legitimacy of the Teteria's elections accusing the later in corruption. Also some sources claim election of Teteria being taken place in January 1663. The election of Teteria led to the Povoloch Regiment Uprising in 1663, followed by bigger number of unrest in the modern region of Kirovohrad Oblast as well as Polesie (all in the Right-bank Ukraine). Moreover, the political crisis that followed the Pushkar–Barabash Uprising divided the Cossack Hetmanate completely on both bank of Dnieper River. Coincidentally, on 10 January 1663, the Tsardom of Muscovy created the new Little Russian Office (Prikaz) within its Ambassadorial Office.

Vouched by Charles Marie François Olier, marquis de Nointel, Yuriy Khmelnytsky was freed from the Ottoman captivity, appointed and along with Pasha Ibragim was sent to Ukraine fight the Moscow forces of Samoilovych and Romadanovsky. In 1681 Mehmed IV appointed George Ducas the Hetman of Ukraine, replacing Khmelnytsky.

Following the anathema on Mazepa and the election of Ivan Skoropadsky, Cossack Hetmanate was included into the Russian Government of Kiev in December 1708. Upon the death of Skoropadsky, the Hetman elections were disrupted and were awarded as a gift and a type of princely titles, first to Moldavian nobleman and later to the Russian Empress favorite.

On 5 April 1710 the council of cossacks, veterans of the battle at Poltava, elected Pylyp Orlyk as the Hetman of Ukraine in exile. Orlyk waged a guerrilla warfare at the southern borders of the Russian Empire with the support from Ottoman and Swedish empires.

Tsardom of Russia appointed hetmans

 * Ivan Bezpaly, elected by some cossacks in the town of Varva
 * Demian Mnohohrishny, "Siverian Hetman"

Polish appointed hetmans
The Appointed Hetman Mykhailo Khanenko was elected the Hetman of Ukraine by a council of Sukhoviy's Cossacks in Uman to depose Doroshenko. In 1675 John III Sobieski awarded the title to some Ostap Hohol (died in 1679). Same thing happened in 1683 when John III Sobieski awarded the title to Stefan Kunicki and in 1684 to Andriy Mohyla. Those awards were given during the Great Turkish War.

 * Pavlo Teteria
 * Mykhailo Khanenko, appointment confirmed by the King of Poland Michal Korybut Wisniowiecki
 * Ostap Hohol, appointment confirmed by the King of Poland John III Sobieski
 * Stefan Kunicki, appointment confirmed by the King of Poland John III Sobieski
 * Andriy Mohyla, appointment confirmed by the King of Poland John III Sobieski
 * Samiylo Samus, title surrendered to Ivan Mazepa

Sanjak-bey, Prince of Sarmatia (Turkish appointments)
In 1669 Petro Doroshenko received a title of Sanjak-bey from Mehmed IV. Title existed in 1669 to 1683.

 * Petro Doroshenko
 * Yuri Khmelnytsky
 * George Ducas

Hetman in exile
The title existed in 1710–1760.
 * Pylyp Orlyk
 * Hryhor Orlyk

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Sean Keesler
Seems fairly apparent this is a vanity page. No offence to the author, but Wikipedia is not the place for this. Andrewferrier 00:11, 2004 Dec 15 (UTC)

 * Delete. Not finding any info on him outside of Syracuse. Gsd97jks 01:28, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Staffer, and a possible prank (prostate milking?). Geogre 02:30, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, vanity and defamatory (prostate milking? perhaps this is one for BJAODN). Alphax (talk) 04:18, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. utcursch 08:22, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't think its vanity as it has multiple contributors, but he doesn't seem notable anyway. The nonsense comment was added after the original page was created, so the whole article isn't nonsense/prank. [[User:David_Johnson|David Johnson [ T|C ] ]] 17:15, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Speedy as dubious, possible prank. Wyss 19:24, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * del. Mikkalai 20:50, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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William Hammond Wright

William Hammond Wright (November 4, 1871 – May 16, 1959) was an American astronomer and the director of the Lick Observatory from 1935 until 1942.

Wright was born in San Francisco. After graduating in 1893 from the University of California, he became Assistant Astronomer at Lick Observatory. From 1903 to 1906 he worked on establishing the "Southern station" of the observatory at Cerro San Cristobal near Santiago de Chile. It only took him 6 months to start with observations from this new site, and he recorded a large series of radial velocity measurements of stars in the southern sky. In 1908 he was promoted to Astronomer. From 1918 to 1919 he was stationed at Aberdeen Proving Ground working for the ordnance section of the United States Army. He then returned to the Lick Observatory and worked there until his retirement.

He is most famous for his work on radial velocity of stars in our galaxy, and his work with his own version of the spectrograph that he designed himself. He obtained a spectra of novas and nebulae. In 1924 he made photographic observations of Mars in multiple wave lengths. From these pictures he concluded that its atmosphere was about 60 miles (100 km) deep.

Wright was elected to the United States National Academy of Sciences in 1922 and the American Philosophical Society in 1935. In 1928 Wright received the Henry Draper Medal from the National Academy of Sciences, and in 1938 the Gold Medal of the Royal Astronomical Society. The Martian crater Wright and the minor planet 1747 Wright are named after him. The lunar crater Wright is co-named in his honour.

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Rod Marsh

Rodney William Marsh (4 November 1947 – 4 March 2022) was an Australian professional cricketer who played as a wicketkeeper for the Australian national team. He was a part of the Australian squad which finished as runners-up at the 1975 Cricket World Cup.

Marsh had a Test career spanning from the 1970–71 to the 1983–84 Australian seasons. In 96 Tests, he set a world record of 355 wicketkeeping dismissals, the same number his pace bowling Western Australian teammate Dennis Lillee achieved with the ball. The pair were known for their bowler–wicketkeeper partnership, which yielded 95 Test wickets, a record for any such combination. They made their Test debuts in the same series and retired from Test cricket in the same match. Wisden stated that "Few partnerships between bowler and wicket-keeper have had so profound an impact on the game."

Marsh had a controversial start to his Test career, selected on account of his batting abilities. Sections of the media lampooned Marsh's glovework, dubbing him "Iron Gloves" after sloppy catching in his debut Test. His keeping improved over time and by the end of his career he was regarded as one of the finest in the history of the sport. He was widely regarded for his sense of team discipline, in particular after Bill Lawry controversially declared the Australian first innings closed in the Fifth Test of the 1970–71 series at the MCG with Marsh eight runs short of a century. He was known for his athletic keeping. He was nicknamed Australia's marshal due to his ability to uplift the spirit and energy within the Australian side by having some word with opponent batsmen during his playing days which had also influenced a shift in momentum in several occasions where Australia would go on to win matches from precarious situations. He continued to maintain his work ethics when he refused to sign a cricket bat in 2009 which had the signature of former New Zealand cricketer Chris Cairns, with the latter being later found guilty of involving in a spot-fixing scandal.

In 2009, Marsh was inducted into the ICC Cricket Hall of Fame.

Early years
Marsh was born in the Perth suburb of Armadale on 4 November 1947 to Barbara and Ken Marsh. Marsh played backyard cricket with his older brother Graham, who became a professional golfer and won eleven times on the European Tour. Both brothers represented Western Australia at cricket at schoolboy level. Marsh played his first competitive match at the age of eight for the Armadale under-16s, where he also kept wicket. At thirteen he captained the state schoolboys' team, and joined the West Perth district club.

When he debuted for West Perth's first XI he was a specialist batsman, as Western Australia wicketkeeper Gordon Becker also represented the club. In order to further his keeping, Marsh joined the University club. He formed a bond with Dennis Lillee in 1966 at a time when Marsh was serving as a trainee teacher with the University Club. Since then, he has been dubbed as Lillee's partner-in-crime by pundits.

Marsh made his first-class debut for Western Australia, again as a specialist batsman, against the touring West Indies in 1968–69. He had an unusual match, scoring 0 and 104. His whirlwind knock of 104 on state debut against a fancied West Indian bowling attack which comprised Garfield Sobers, Charlie Griffith and Wes Hall.

Test career
Marsh replaced the retired Becker from the 1969–70 season. At the time, Australia was touring India and South Africa with Brian Taber and Ray Jordon as the team's wicketkeepers. In the autumn of 1970, an Australian second team toured New Zealand with John MacLean as wicketkeeper. Therefore, Marsh was behind these players in the pecking order. However, he was a controversial selection for the first Test of the 1970–71 Ashes series, replacing Taber; Marsh was selected for his batting.

The media was quick to criticise Marsh's glovework in his early career, dubbing him "Iron Gloves" after he missed a number of catches. Even on his debut in the First Test in the 1970–71 Ashes series he took four catches in his first innings. His batting proved invaluable on a number of occasions and in the Fifth Test he equalled the record for the highest Test innings by an Australian keeper, set by Don Tallon. The end of the innings was controversial; the captain Bill Lawry declared with Marsh eight runs short of a century so he could get an extra hour of bowling before stumps. When questioned by the press about his lost chance to make an historic century Marsh said he had gained forty runs instead of missing eight as he thought Lawry should have declared an hour earlier. Even though Marsh was unbeaten on 92 before declaration was made, Marsh emphasized first priority for the team before personal milestones and achievements. His gesture eventually would help him to win accolades and also to stamp a sense of authority and loyalty among the fans as well as among the teammates. Marsh later admitted that he was underprepared as a wicketkeeper, but he learned from watching his English counterpart Alan Knott. He and Knott did, however, concede the same number of byes in the series: 44.

Marsh became an integral part of the team as the side improved during the 1972 tour of England. He was deemed a strong gatekeeper to Australia's baggy green culture and was known for his authorship of Australian team victory song "Under the Southern Cross I Stand" which he co-opted from the original version of Henry Lawson's 1887 poem "Flag of the Southern Cross". Marsh initially had the role of leading the team in singing it, and on his retirement he passed it on to Allan Border.

It was revealed that it was Marsh who started the victory celebration by narrating the song following Australia's emphatic victory against England on the final day of the fifth and final test match on 16 August 1972 at The Oval where Australia successfully chased down 242 with 5 wickets to spare.

He became the first Australian keeper to hit a century by scoring 118 in the first Test against Pakistan at Adelaide in 1972–73. He also hit 236 against the tourists for Western Australia, the best score of his career. Playing a key role in Australia's series victories over England and the West Indies in the series of 1974–75 and 1975–76, Marsh made many acrobatic dives to catch balls delivered by Dennis Lillee and Jeff Thomson. He took 45 dismissals in those two series, including a world-record 26 catches in six Tests against the West Indies.

Marsh scored an unbeaten 110 in the second innings of the Centenary Test against England in 1977, becoming the first Australian wicketkeeper to score a Test century against England. In the same match he passed Wally Grout's Australian wicket-keeping record of 187 Test dismissals. He scored a further 16 half centuries. In first class matches, he accumulated 11 centuries including a best of 236, aggregating more than 10000 runs in his career.

When the breakaway World Series Cricket was formed, Marsh had no hesitation in signing for Kerry Packer. He claimed 54 dismissals in 16 Supertests. Upon his return to traditional international cricket in 1979–80, his age did not affect his keeping ability. On the 1981 tour of England, he took 23 dismissals to become the first wicketkeeper to take 100 dismissals in Ashes Tests, broke Knott's world record in 22 fewer Tests and passed 3000 runs in Test cricket.

He was the wicketkeeper, in the infamous underarm bowling incident of 1981 which happened during the 3rd final of the 1980–81 Australia Tri-Nation Series.

In 1982–83, his penultimate season, he took 28 dismissals against England, including nine and eight in the second and third Test respectively. His batting form fell away towards the end of his Test career, his last 22 Tests yielding only 589 runs at an average of 19.63. On his final test match appearance against Pakistan at the Sydney Cricket Ground on 6 January 1984, he effected five dismissals and set a then world record for most test dismissals by a keeper at that time with 355. He also became the first keeper to reach 350 dismissals. Marsh's retirement coincided with those of Dennis Lillee and former Australia captain Greg Chappell.

Style
Powerfully built, Marsh was regarded as an all rounder for the majority of his career. Coupled with his short stature, his power suited him to the task of keeping wicket. Despite his bulk, which forced him to work heavily on reducing his weight in his early career, he had fast foot movement, combined with fast anticipation and reflexes, which allowed him to cover more ground. He raised the role of wicketkeeper to a more prominent status in a team with his acrobatic diving, raucous appeals and habit of throwing a ball high into the air upon completing a dismissal. As the wicketkeeper, he made himself the focal point in the field and attempted to extract higher standards of concentration from both himself and his teammates. Speaking of his understanding with Lillee, he said, "I've played with him so much now that most of the time I know what he is going to do before he has bowled ... I know from the way he runs up; the angle, the speed, where he hits the crease, where the ball is going to be."

At state level, Marsh was a noted captain, leading the state to a Sheffield Shield and Gillette Cup double in both forms of the game in 1976–77. He had nine wins and seven losses in 20 Shield matches as captaincy, and seven from nine matches in the limited overs competition. Marsh was an effective player in ODI matches, contributing as a keeper and a lower order batsman. His power and aggression was put to good use in the closing overs, when he could score at a rapid rate. In one match against New Zealand in 1980–81 against Lance Cairns at the Adelaide Oval, he struck 26 from the final over, with three sixes and two fours, before falling on the final ball.

Coaching and other non-playing duties
Marsh was a cricket commentator for Channel Nine's international matches between 1986–1990 and 1996–1998.

He was a coach at the Australian Cricket Academy in Adelaide since its inception and was its director from 1990 to 2001. Some of his former proteges include Australian internationals wicketkeeper–batsman Adam Gilchrist and fast bowlers Jason Gillespie and Brett Lee.

Marsh was the Director of the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) national academy from October 2001 to September 2005. During this time, England went from being a mediocre team to challenging Australia as the best team in Test cricket and in 2005, they regained the Ashes after 16 years in Australian hands with a 2–1 win. Marsh later criticised the ECB for releasing Troy Cooley, who had trained England's four pronged pace battery, and attacked Duncan Fletcher's selection of Geraint Jones as the wicket keeper ahead of Chris Read. He once declared his cricketing allegiance to England and was at one time a selector for the English team.

In August 2006, the South Australian Cricket Association announced Marsh had been appointed in a consultancy role to undertake a review of cricket throughout South Australia. Marsh had also worked with the Global Cricket Academy in Dubai.

He was included in a part-time capacity as a part of the Cricket Australia national selection panel in 2011. In 2011, in a newly created role by Cricket Australia he was asked to coach the coaches in order to ensure a unified approach to mentor the players across the states of Australia.

Marsh was appointed chairman of selectors for Cricket Australia on 2 May 2014, replacing John Inverarity. He was previously Cricket Australia's manager of elite coaching development. He felt the heat at times from former cricketers including Michael Slater for not selecting Usman Khawaja in the Australian playing XI especially during the Chappell-Hadlee ODI series in February 2016 in New Zealand.

On 16 November 2016, Marsh resigned as chairman of selectors, after a series defeat to South Africa.

Honours
Marsh was made a Member of the Order of the British Empire in the 1982 New Year Honours and inducted into the Sport Australia Hall of Fame in 1985. He was named as one of Wisden's Cricketer of the Year in 1982. He received an Australian Sports Medal in 2000 and a Centenary Medal in 2001.

In 2005, he was inducted into the Cricket Hall of Fame by Cricket Australia.

Actor Brendan Cowell portrayed Rod Marsh in the 2012 Australian miniseries Howzat! Kerry Packer's War.

In 2015, he became the fourth Australian cricketer to deliver MCC Spirit of Cricket Cowdrey Lecture after Richie Benaud, Adam Gilchrist and Simon Taufel.

He received Honorary Life Membership of the Marylebone Cricket Club in 1988.

Personal life and death
Marsh's son Daniel Marsh captained the Tasmanian cricket team in the absence of Ricky Ponting in the mid-2000s.

In 2010, he appeared in an episode of Who Do You Think You Are?, where it was revealed that his grandmother died after giving birth to one of his aunts, leading his grandfather to put their three children, including Marsh's father Ken, up for adoption.

On 24 February 2022, Marsh was left in a critical condition following a heart attack in Bundaberg, Queensland, whilst en route to a charity event hosted by Queensland Bulls Masters. He died eight days later, on 4 March 2022, in Adelaide, South Australia, at the age of 74.

His death came on the same day as that of fellow Australian cricket icon Shane Warne, who had paid tribute to Marsh in a tweet a few hours prior to his own death in Thailand.

His funeral service was held at the Adelaide Oval on the 17 March, and was hosted by James Brayshaw; amongst the tributes included a recorded eulogy by Adam Gilchrist.

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Where is this place? I don't live in Scandinavia so how should I know? Wikiacc 00:15, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Dmop
Non-notable petition about the doom film. --fvw *  00:15, 2004 Dec 15 (UTC)
 * Delete. —tregoweth 00:17, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete. not a forum for petitions kaal 01:07, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: A teapot searching for a tempest. Geogre 02:31, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, just another petition. Even if it reaches its objective and the movie is changed, all that information should go into the movie article. [[User:Livajo|Ливай | ☺]] 02:40, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * There could be an article about the Civilisation open source petition, but there isn't. Delete. Alphax (talk) 04:23, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Enough reasons above. utcursch 08:23, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * Speedy, it's spam. Wyss 19:23, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Honda CR-V

Unsorted discussions
Hello all, I have limited editing experience but was trying to flag a dead link and/or unsubstantiated claim. If you look under "sixth generation" someone listed the CR-V designer as "Mitsuhiro Abe". I clicked on the link source and it was dead. Furthermore, when searching that name I found someone named "Mitsuhiro Abe" and a particularly disturbing article came up regarding a crime on June 10th, 2022 in Hokkaido. The date of the incident conveniently coincided with the same date as the "designer" being added to the wiki page. It's possible someone is pulling a prank. I can't ascertain with certainty one way or the other, but, the designer link is definitely dead and the name being used is questionable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Takeachillphill (talk • contribs) 04:25, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I added info on the 2.2 N22B i-DTEC engine used between 2012 and 2015 for the European CR-V. This engine was paired with the 5sp automatic gearbox made by Honda (the 9 speed is made by ZF I think). Basically the same drive train as used in the previous generation CR-Vs (but somehow much smoother). The sentence about 2015 engines used for Europe became a bit long though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zpeed (talk • contribs) 20:19, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

I removed the mention of the Passport as predecessor, because the successor to the Passport is the Honda Pilot (i.e., largish/midsize SUV, rather than small-SUVs such as the CR-V or Toyota RAV4). Moreover, the Passport and CR-V were sold simultaneously until the Pilot was released, as the Passport and CR-V served different market segments entirely.

Similarly, I took out the mention of the Honda Element as successor—it seems a little silly to talk of a successor, when the CR-V itself is still marketed. Also, same as above, the CR-V and Element are targeted to different market segments, although I would agree these two segments have more overlap than between the Passport and the CR-V. --Ryanaxp 00:19, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

how about moving the picture of the 2005 CRV to the gen 2 section instead of being in the gen 1 section? worldtravller

I corrected the generation 1.5 engine specs. VTEC did not appear in the CRV until the introduction of the K24 engine for 2002. Information was gained from: http://hybrid2.honda-perf.org/tech/b20/b20tech.html

A very interesting article on how Honda created the cylinder sleeves for the B20: http://dwolsten.tripod.com/articles/jan96a.html

I removed references to the transmission from the Generation 1 section - as this was only relevant to the US model CR-V. CR-Vs in other countries had a manual transmission available from day 1, and the automatic was not standard. It should also be noted that CR-Vs in some parts of the world (such as most of Europe) do not have the K24 2.4L engine, but a 2.0L i-VTEC engine. Someone should add this information to the Generation 2 section Davez621 11:25, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Made some further changes to generation 2, version 2. Wheel dimensions in millimetres are unnecessary - all countries use inches to describe wheel sizes. I have therefore removed the metric equivalents. Only the US model receives standard driver, passenger, side and curtain airbags. ********COMMENT: NOT TRUE - UK MARKET ALSO GETS DRIV/PASS/SIDE/CURTAIN BAGS, AS DOES MUCH OF EUROPE******* Here in Australia, only 2 airbags are standard, with side airbags optional. Curtain airbags aren't available at all. I have again re-worded the article. I have also re-worded the introductory paragraph: I do not agree that the CR-V is a "crossover", because all SUVs are "crossovers" in the sense that they are a breed between car and truck (see my discussion in the crossover SUV article). Davez621 09:18, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

The introduction says, "Honda produces CR-Vs in the United Kingdom and Japan for the American market." To me, this is somewhat confusing, suggesting that CR-Vs are only available in North America (this is not the case, as the article says further.) As far as I know, CR-Vs for all world markets are made in the UK and Japan.

The picture is a second generation image, not first. Can it be changed? My change was "undid". 24.87.104.219 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 08:24, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

The second generation facelift model is available with a 6-speed manual transmission (not 5-speed as stated) - at least in UK. Might be true for all second generation cars?

By definition in North America, any SUV with a car based platform is a "crossover". I would call it a "small crossover" because the CR-V slots between "compact" and "mid-size" while the Pilot is a "large crossover" because it slots between "mid-size" and "full-size".

Attention NORTH AMERICAN contributors!
WITH REFERENCE TO THIS ARTICLE, AND PARTICULARLY TO CONTRIBUTORS BASED IN NORTH AMERICA....

Please don't assume that just because something applies in America, that it applies worldwide. For example, Gen2 CR-V engine's don't JUST come in 2.4l size - there is also a 2.0l that is available to much of the world. Also, Honda in US might call it a "Comfortable Runabout Vehicle", but in Europe and Japan it's called "Compact Recreational Vehicle".

Remember this vehicle is built in Japan and United Kingdom, and America is just one market for it!

Rant over ;-)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.146.19.215 (talk) 16:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Disclaimer Rant
Since we had one rant here already, what is with all the little disclaimers that have been popping up on Wikipedia that state the obvious. Like the one on the current version of the CR-V entry towards the bottom that says "This article or section contains information about a scheduled or anticipated future automobile..." I have a disclaimer: "If you're hobby is hopping around an online encyclopedia posting tags that state the obvious, you need a new hobby." I liked wikipedia better before the nerds took over. Oh Well.

Rant over ;P

And you think we like people who type "your" as  "you're"? And just how hard can it be to type four tildas? I liked Wikipedia more when rednecks stuck to singing. Le Grand Bleu (talk) 13:43, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

CR-V To Midsize??
I told you, Hyundai & Mazda will wind up with 3 crossover SUV's. The Toyota RAV4 has morphed to more of a mid-size crossover SUV, and the next CR-V is shorter than RAV4. Here's how it goes:

Honda Element Vs. Hyundai Tucson Vs. Mazda CX-5 Honda CR-V Vs. Hyundai Santa Fe Vs. Mazda CX-7 Honda Pilot Vs. Hyundai Veracruz Vs. Mazda CX-9 -- Bull-Doser 03:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

 * The Element is a niche car that's similar in size and price to the CR-V. The CR-V isn't increasing drastically in size in its redesign the way the RAV and Santa Fe did, and there's no such car as the CX-5. IFCAR 12:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Attention UK contributors and any reader of the specs.amayama.com site in Russia !!!
Granted the rantings that Honda decided to open "one" of their many manufacturing plants there and that you have a market for (sub)"compact" vehicles like the Mini can be proven, the "fact" remains that Honda originated the term CR-V to be Comfortable Runabout Vehicle from conception.

(With probably the exception of the few who offer only their island for authority and their bias against North America instead of providing independently verifiable sources) Anyone capable will easily find Comfortable Runabout Vehicle clearly spelled out on very credible sites "open" to "peer review" including two official (C) Honda Motor Co., Ltd. sources - the Honda Japan CR-V Fact Book http://www.honda.co.jp/factbook/auto/CR-V/200610/01.html document and the World Honda http://world.honda.com/news/2001/4010918.html document.

Also, until a verifiable source is given, caring peer reviewers should at least consider warning readers on a contributor mixing a single market reality with own opinion claiming wider scope and adding their personal grand feelings as expressed in that contributor's "many markets such as the United Kingdom, only all-wheel drive is offered due to lack of demand for lower specification vehicles and higher consumer expectations" example. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.112.74.201 (talk) 13:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC).

Similar Hyundai Vehicles For The CR-V
Just think! The Santa Fe is V6-only for North America, and still competes up against the RAV4 and CR-V. The Santa Fe is priced up against the RAV4 and CR-V worldwide.

Tucson - Element Santa Fe - CR-V Veracruz - Pilot Portico

The Tucson is similar in size to the Element, and the current CR-V's length is similar to the original Santa Fe. The CR-V's length is also positioned between the Tucson & Santa Fe, and the Santa Fe is much closer to the CR-V than the Tucson. When the Nissan Rogue arrives for next year, this CUV will be tackling mainly with the Honda CR-V, Hyundai Santa Fe and Toyota RAV4. The Santa Fe & CR-V are mid-level CUVs. The Tucson & Sportage twins have got a longer wheelbase than the CR-V, and they're both powerful than the CR-V, because the CR-V lacks a V6 engine. In North America, the Sportage is still Kia's only crossover SUV.

BTW, I switched the similar vehicle to the Kia Sportage, since the Sportage will be Kia's mid-level CUV for '09 with the arrival of the smaller Soul. -- Bull-Doser 03:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

CRV towing
I own a 1999CRV and want to tow it behind a RV. Is there any problems?

Pchancellor 22:38, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Subjective Opinion
The following lines are completely subjective; some people may have preferred the previous interior:

"The interior was also improved, as some consumers felt that the support provided by the seats was inadequate for longer trips. The cloth on the seats was also redesigned with a much more attractive pattern."

I recommend changing them to just report the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.99.75.2 (talk) 16:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

CR-V Special Edition?
Does anyone know the difference between a 2007 Honda CR-V and a CR-V Special Edition? Cflm001 (Talk) 12:05, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Missing UK chassis code?
The statement "in many markets such as Australia and the United Kingdom, only front wheel drive is offered" appears to be incorrect. I'm currently borrowing a UK "07" plate (i.e. registered in 2006-2007) CR-V diesel, which has an RD9 chassis code (not listed at all) and 6-speed manual gearbox and is clearly 4WD/AWD (I'm not going to get into that discussion!).86.25.185.198 (talk) 18:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The RD9 (4WD, diesel engine) was only for Europe. The RD8 (also 4WD, K20A engine) is also missing at the 2nd generation.... The chassis code RE6 (4WD - N22A diesel engine) is also missing. I own one. I'm from Germany.CWeitzer (talk) 08:33, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Another question: never heard about the RE7. Could this be wrong?CWeitzer (talk) 09:17, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Some mixed data
I'm from Germany and so I was reading the article about the 3rd generation CR-V. Because while I'm owning a pre-facelift and I'm a Honda fan from the first day of driving, I'm common with the car I drive ;) There is something mixed up in the article "Europe" under the "2010 facelift" section. It's not right, that the facelift **first** became xenon headlights. In Germany there were only three options / models available: Comfort, Elegance and Executive. The Executive came stock with Xenon, it was an option for Elegance and not available for Comfort. Everything else (GPS/DVD navigation system, sound system, panorama moonroof, chrome handles) was also stock for Executive before facelift and as an option for the other two lines... The only different for the facelift in Germany was, that the body is now painted at the lower plastic parts and engine size & type (as written in the article). Additionally there were some new materials for the interior (fabric, leather like pre-facelift and new: alcantara leather), the arm rests between the front seats are a little wider and the aluminium trim on the dash board was a little darker now, the inner door handles aren't silver painted anymore: they are overdrawn with rubber. All CR-V in Germany are 4WD. CWeitzer (talk) 09:10, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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What CR-V stands for
It appears the expansion of "CR-V" is a sometimes contentious subject. The standard for inclusion of information is verifiability -- anyone has to be able to look at the information given, trace it back to its origin, and verify it as correct. This is generally done by citing reliable sources. Personal opinion and original ideas are generally not acceptable.

With that in mind, I set out to see what I found find on the subject. A Google for Honda "Compact Recreational Vehicle" finds the term does seem to enjoy some currency in independent sources, but I don't see anything from any proper Honda Motor site. I did see at least one dealership using the term. Google does not find the term on any global or US Honda website (where global=GTLD).

What about "Comfortable Runabout Vehicle"? Google for Honda "Comfortable Runabout Vehicle" likewise finds plenty of independent usage, but nothing leaps forward as official. Limiting the search to Honda US/global, it finds a grand total of one occurrence, on the Honda Worldwide site. While an official statement is good, it seems strange that only one mention is found.

A search of the Honda UK website is even less conclusive. Google finds nothing for Comfortable Runabout. Searching for Compact Recreational finds again a single match, but that turns out to be a third-party review regurgitated by Honda. Still, I have to think that Honda reviews such things before posting them to their own website, so this is better than nothing at all.

The Honda Japan website is a little more interesting. Google does not find any Compact Recreational hits. However, Comfortable Runabout finds a handful (six) of pages, including some official Honda "Fact Book" pages going back at least to 2001. This adds slightly more weight to Runabout. However, it's far from conclusive. Google isn't everything, and there are still very few mentions. It's even possible the original Japanese doesn't have an exact translation, and both were given by Honda at various times.

None of my research and speculation is acceptable in the article itself, but I wanted to note what research I did and what I found. Maybe someone else can pick up where I left off, and find something more.

Respectfully submitted,

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"7FAR" VINs
Many fifth generation CR-Vs built in Honda's Ohio plant have VINs beginning with "7FAR". While typical VIN decoding techniques would suggest that these vehicles are built in New Zealand due to the VIN starting with a '7', they are not built in New Zealand. My best guess as to why they are using "7" VINs is that they have run out of "5J"s — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avedantt (talk • contribs) 07:43, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok. See WP:OR. Or find some sources if it is interesting enough to include.  Mr.choppers |   ✎  13:49, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Include where? The main article? I'm just trying to have a conversation about this over here on Talk for now. Cheers... Avedantt (talk) 16:57, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

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Re disambiguation with Honda ZR-V
@Andra Febrian Hi. So the disambiguation there was an attempt to WP:DEORPHAN and make the article easier to find. ZR-V sounds similar to CR-V so that is why I thought a disambiguation here was appropriate. I suppose I'd be open to hold off on the disambiguation until the name is confirmed, or if you have any other suggestions? lovkal (talk) 16:14, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * In the meantime no one will potentially confuse CR-V with ZR-V as the latter is unknown by most people, so yes I suggest to hold off the distinguish template until the ZR-V is either confirmed or known by the public. Andra Febrian (talk) 16:27, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

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Qeqertarsuaq

Qeqertarsuaq (, historically known as Godhavn) is a port and town in Qeqertalik municipality, located on the south coast of Disko Island on the west coast of Greenland. Founded in 1773, the town is now home to a campus of the University of Copenhagen known as Arctic Station. Qeqertarsuaq is the Kalaallisut name for Disko Island and is also now used for several other islands on Greenland, including those formerly known as Upernavik and Herbert Island. Qeqertarsuaq means 'the big island' in Kalaallisut (den store ø).

In 2020, the town had 839 inhabitants. The remainder of the population of the island (less than 50 people) lives in the Kangerluk settlement, a few hours by boat to the northwest.

Geography
The total area of Disko Island and its satellite islands (mainly Qeqertarsuatsiaq Island 11 km northwest of the northern coast and Qeqertaq on the southwest coast at the mouth of Disko Fjord) is 9700 km2. Blæsedalen valley is to the north of the town.

Kangerluk is the location where researchers found a "galloping" glacier in 1999 that moves up to 100 m a day.

History

Traces of settlement between five and six thousand years ago have been found at Qeqertarsuaq. The settlers were paleo-Eskimos wandering south.

During the 18th century, the first whalers came to Qeqertarsuaq, where they found a suitable anchorage. The town was founded as Godhavn by the whaler Svend Sandgreen in 1773. The name was sometimes anglicized as Guthaven and the settlement was also known as Lievely or Leifly. It served as the northernmost point in the enforcement of the Danish rights to whaling in the region. Whaling has been of great importance to the town over the past two centuries. Hunting and fishing are still the primary occupations for the island's inhabitants.

From an early date, Godhavn shared the administration of Greenland with Godthåb (modern Nuuk). Godhavn served as the capital for North Greenland while Godthåb directed South Greenland. In 1862, a new law on municipalities was passed and the so-called Directions were introduced in Greenland. The primary task of the Directions was the administration of the means set apart for social purposes: support for widows, orphans, and others in need. The Directions also functioned as inferior courts in case of theft and other petty crimes, and took an active part in the fight against the spreading of distemper. In Godhavn, they founded a kayak school for boys and a sewing school for girls.

The Councils of Northern and Southern Greenland were summoned to a meeting in Godhavn on 3 May 1940. Following this meeting, administration for the entire island was concentrated in Godthåb. The Chief Administrative Office was abolished in 1950 at the establishment of the National Council of Greenland. With the end of government positions in town, the local economy focused more directly on hunting and fishing.

On 1 January 2009, the former Qeqertarsuaq municipality was merged into the new Qaasuitsup municipality. This in turn was partitioned on 1 January 2018, at which time Qeqertarsuaq became part of the new municipality of Qeqertalik.

Tourism
Many of the flat basaltic mountains found on Disko Island are covered with perpetual snow. The largest is called Sermersuaq ("Grand Glacier"). Sermersuaq is situated rather far from the coast and is difficult to reach in the summer. Lyngmarksbræen ("Lyngmark Glacier") is much smaller, covering only about 10 km, but can be reached more easily in a few hours' walk. From Lyngmarksfjeld, a panoramic view of Disko Bay allows viewers to see the icebergs at Ilulissat almost 100 km away.

Qeqertarsuaq has a dog sled rental.

Transport
During the winter, Air Greenland operates air services from Qeqertarsuaq Heliport to Ilulissat, Qasigiannguit, and Aasiaat.

When the waters of Disko Bay are navigable during summer and autumn, the heliport is closed and communication between settlements occurs only by sea via Diskoline. The ferry links Qeqertarsuaq with Ilulissat, Aasiaat, Qasigiannguit, and Kitsissuarsuit.

Notable people

 * Rasmus Lerdorf, creator of the computer programming language PHP, was born in Qeqertarsuaq.

Population
With 839 inhabitants in 2020, Qeqertarsuaq was the smallest town in the then-municipality of Qaasuitsup. The population has decreased by more than 22% relative to the 1990 levels and by nearly 15% relative to the 2000 levels.

Sister city

 * 🇮🇸 Húsavík, Iceland

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Semantic grid

A semantic grid is an approach to grid computing in which information, computing resources and services are described using the semantic data model. In this model, the data and metadata are expressed through facts (small sentences), becoming directly understandable for humans. This makes it easier for resources to be discovered and combined automatically to create virtual organizations (VOs). The descriptions constitute metadata and are typically represented using the technologies of the Semantic Web, such as the Resource Description Framework (RDF).

Like the Semantic Web, the semantic grid can be defined as "an extension of the current grid in which information and services are given well-defined meaning, better enabling computers and people to work in cooperation."

This notion of the semantic grid was first articulated in the context of e-Science, observing that such an approach is necessary to achieve a high degree of easy-to-use and seamless automation, enabling flexible collaborations and computations on a global scale.

The use of semantic web and other knowledge technologies in grid applications are sometimes described as the knowledge grid. Semantic grid extends this by also applying these technologies within the grid middleware.

Some semantic grid activities are coordinated through the Semantic Grid Research Group of the Global Grid Forum.

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Chico Bouchikhi

Jalloul "Chico" Bouchikhi (جلول البوشيخي; born 13 October 1954 ) is a French musician and a co-founder of the Gipsy Kings. After leaving the band in 1991, he formed his own group, Chico & the Gypsies.

Early life
Bouchikhi was born in Arles, France, to a Moroccan father from Oujda and an Algerian mother from Tlemcen. He was married to Marthe Reyes, daughter of José Reyes, the father of the Reyes sons, members of the group Gipsy Kings.

Career
In 1979, upon the death of their father, José, the five Reyes brothers from Arles (Nicolas, Canut, André, Patchaï, and Pablo), who had up to that point been performing as a family band named José et Los Reyes, were joined by their cousins Diego, Paco, and Tonino Baliardo (nephews of Manitas de Plata) from Montpellier, and together with Bouchikhi, who was then married to Marthe Reyes, José's daughter, formed the group Gipsy Kings. They traveled around France and played at weddings, festivals, and in the streets, with Nicolas as lead vocalist and Tonino on lead guitar. The group eventually became world-famous with such songs as "Djobi Djoba", "Bamboléo", and "Un Amor".

In 1991, Bouchikhi left Gipsy Kings due to financial disagreements with their then-manager, Claude Martinez, and went on to start his own group, Chico & the Gypsies. The band has released numerous albums since 1992.

Personal life
Bouchikhi's brother, Ahmed, was assassinated by Mossad agents in the Norwegian town of Lillehammer in July 1973, in what came to be known as the Lillehammer affair. Ahmed, a waiter, had been mistaken for Ali Hassan Salameh.

Bouchikhi is a UNESCO special envoy for peace. In 1994, he was invited to play before Shimon Peres and Yasser Arafat during the Oslo Accords peace negotiations.

In 2001, he unsuccessfully ran in the municipal elections of Arles.

In 2014, Bouchikhi visited Israel. When asked in an interview with The Independent about his decision to refuse to participate in a boycott of the country, he insisted that reconciliation was more important than holding grudges.

Bouchikhi lives in Arles, where he owns a restaurant and music venue called Patio de Camargue.

with the Gipsy Kings

 * Allegria (1982)
 * Luna de Fuego (1983)
 * Gipsy Kings (1988)
 * Mosaïque (1989)

with Chico & the Gypsies

 * Tengo Tengo (1992)
 * Vagabundo (1996)
 * Nomade (1998)
 * Bamboleo (2003)
 * Freedom (2005)
 * Suerte (2008)
 * Chantent Charles Aznavour (2011)
 * Chico & the Gypsies... & Friends (2012)
 * Fiesta (2013)
 * Chico & the Gypsies & International Friends (2014)
 * Color 80's (2016)
 * Color 80's Vol. 2 (2016)
 * Mi corazón (2018)
 * Unidos with Hasna (2021)
 * Gipsy Guitar (2022)
 * Otro Camino (2023)

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Thanks for uploading Image:K willoch 2004.jpg. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use if you release it under the GFDL, or  if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks, Kbh3rd 00:21, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Stateless person

Former USSR
One class of stateless persons definitely bearing mention: former USSR citizens (mostly ethnic Russians) who were born in the Baltic republics between 1940 and 1991 but are not regarded as natural born citizens by the now independent states of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. I couldn't figure out how to fit this into the article as written, but I will eventually. In the mean time, go for it!. Ellsworth 00:23, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A thing worth mentioning is that there are also former USSR citizens (mostly ethnic Russians) who were born in Russia between 1940 and 1991 but are not regarded as natural born citizens by the now independent state of Russia as well!

 * Are those people who are regarded not to be of russian "nationality" (with the special meaning mentioned in the article)?

(*) The non citizens in Baltic countries can get citizenship in the Baltic countries, if they can a) speak the language of the respective country b) know important historic terms and culture. For the ethnic Russians born in these countries the largest problem is the language, they have lived in the country for years and spoken only Russian, and now they have to learn a new language. The youngsters don't often have any big problem with the languages but the older people have. And becuase they are not citizens they have no voting right. //Martin

Palestinians?
All the Arabs in the Palestinian territories are stateless, are they not? —Ashley Y 02:36, 2005 May 26 (UTC)

 * This is a political comment, so it deserves a political answer. Please don't include any of this in the article.  As a matter of fact, all Palestinians are technically residents of Israel, although they don't have Israeli citizenship (at least those that haven't applied... there are Palestinians who are Arab, practice their Muslim faith, and are Israeli citizens as well).  In addition, there is the "Palestinian Authority" that does legally exist, and they do issue passports that are recognized throughout the Middle-east and even the USA.  This wasn't the case a couple of decades ago, but it is now.  The only real sticking point is trying to decide just what the Palestinian territory ought to be (a reason for the big wall under construction.... and the Palestinians do have a right to complain about some of the decisions about where the wall has gone) and when full independence ought to be.  For a displace group of "stateless people", you might want to instead look at Kurds, Tibetans, or even several Native American tribes in North America. --Robert Horning 03:24, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

 * This is a political question, but it doesn't deserve such an immediately dismissive answer. Since this article is about statelessness as a legal category, the legal position of Palestinians ought to be clarified, to wit:

 * 1. You say "all Palestinians are technically residents of Israel". Leaving aside the contentious question of what constitutes Israel, there's a difference between "resident" and "citizen", and it's the latter category that's important when discussing statelessness. This is a non-rhetorical question: can an Arab resident of Gaza or Nablus or some other outside-the-Green-Line community apply for and receive Israeli citizenship?  Could they between 1967 and 1993?  I don't know the answer to the second question, but as to the first, I'm guessing it's no: I remember reading recently that Israel was making it harder for Palestinians married to Israeli Arabs to get Israeli citizenship, so it seems obvious to me that someone with no connection to an Israeli citizen would be denied in a bid to become one.

 * 2. The fact that PNA passports are accepted for diplomatic purposes and for international travel, despite the fact that the PNA is not a state, is itself intriguing and worthy of discussion, though not in depth in this article. If the PNA is not a state (and it's not), what status does PNA "citizenship" (if such  a thing exists) confer on an individual?  Do those states that recognize a "State of Palestine" (most of which recognitions were extended before the PNA was created) view the PNA as the legitimate government of said state and its passports as passports of Palestine?  What about the more numerous countries that do not recognize the current existence of a Palestinian state?  How does their treatment of individuals who hold PNA passports and citizenship dovetail with their diplomatic law and theory?

 * 3. The category "Palestinian" covers not just those living in the West Bank and Gaza, but refugees from the 1949 war and their descendents living in Arab countries. I know that in many of these countries (all of them except Jordan, I think), these refugees don't have citizen rights or even rights of abode outside of designated refugee camps.  Can these individuals acquire PNA citizenship?  Surely the can't acquire Israeli citizenship (or else what's all the "right to return" fuss about in the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations?).  Here surely is a large-ish group who might be designated as stateless.

 * Anyway, I know it's impossible, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, to talk about the Israeli-Palestinian debate without inflaming passions. I would really like to find out more about how large the group of stateless Palestinians is, what the status of residents (citizens?) of PNA-administered areas is in the legal theories of various other states, and how many Palestinians could now or could previously acquire some form of citizenship but choose not to.  Hopefully it won't degenerate into a shouting match. --Jfruh 23:09, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

 * What I would find interesting would be to see how many Palestinians are living outside of Israeli controlled areas, such as Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, and Syria. This is not an insignificant number, and presumably would be many of the same individuals that need formal citizenship rights from somewhere in order to remain in the countries where they are living.  Not possessing a passport would make international travel very difficult, even between two countries with good diplomatic relations (like between England and the USA).  Being stateless would make such travel almost impossible.  --Robert Horning 04:44, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Effectively you're right, Palestinians under occupation are stateless. Not because they cannot get travel documents, but because the Israelis frequently prevent them from returning to their homes in eg the West Bank (and particular96.231.222.36 (talk) 04:13, 22 January 2016 (UTC)ly East Jerusalem). This is not a typical example of the situation, however - it only affects students, businessmen or those who dare travel. PalestineRemembered 20:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

===>Look at Palestinian people That information is on the page. -Justin (koavf), talk 16:01, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Famous stateless individuals
Maybe we should include a list of famous stateless individuals? Such persons are such to attract much curiosity. Though I can't think of anyone except that guy who stayed in an airport for a long time... made into a movie, but I forgot the name. -Hmib 01:42, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

The real-life refugee is Merhan Karimi Nasseri, and the movie is The Terminal. —Caesura(t) 17:03, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Albert Einstein was stateless from 1896 to 1901 after renouncing his Württemberg (now part of Germany) citizenship.

 * I just created Category:Stateless people and Category:Formerly stateless people to put articles in. (And technically Merhan Karimi Nasseri isn't stateless (he's still an Iranian national, as far as I know) but he's a refugee because he can't go back there.  I added him to Category:Refugees instead.)  --Closeapple 09:42, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Voluntarily stateless
From this article it seems statelessness is a bad situation, and countries sometimes try to avoid this situation for foreigners or closer people. But also states, as far as I have seen, don't allow nationals to repudiate their nationality if they are not getting a new one.

¿Anyone know of a state that permits resignation of nationality even if becoming stateless? It is a very interesting case to show the limits of freedom, and the needs of states and laws to have people adscribed to them or some other law they can handle you with. I will put a little phrase reflecting this imposibility soon.
 * A 1960s book called Guide to the Draft, aimed at explaining the workings of the United States Selective Service to American men of draft age, advised that a man who fled the country to avoid the draft would probably not be permitted to return. However, if he were to go abroad and renounce his citizenship prior to committing any violation of the Selective Service Act, he might someday be able to return at least as a visitor, though this would not be guaranteed. The book did not really recommend this course of action, noting that no country would be obliged to admit such a person, and he might experience difficulty finding a place he would be allowed to reside. --Trovatore 19:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I believe the U.S. allows its citizens to renounce citizenship even if they have no other.  However this is not a general pattern, for example the United Kingdom has a specific prohibition on a British citizen making himself stateless by renouncing citizenship.   JAJ 18:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Would be nice to get a fact check on both of these (US and UK). My references on voluntary renunciation for US citizens would be Guide to the Draft, in which it was a minor point perhaps not thoroughly researched, and the section on "Loss of Citizenship" in the US passport, which gives among the ways that citizenship may be lost formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. consular officer overseas. The passport does not, however, explicitly say that such renunciations will always be permitted, or effective if permitted. --Trovatore 19:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Three people in recent years renounced their USA citizenship to become stateless: Mike Gogulski in 2008, Glen Roberts in 2013, and Jason Minard in 2014.  (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statelessness)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.56.30.140 (talk) 19:49, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Palestine and Palestinians again
Cut from article:

 * Some areas, such as Palestine, are under military occupation by a country which does not issue passports to its residents.

This implies that all of Palestine is under military occupation. But I thought "Palestine (region)" included both the Jewish and Arab areas of Western Palestine, i.e., the British Mandate west of the Jordan River; and that the Jewish areas turned into the sovereign state of Israel.

If this view is true (and I rely completely on other Wikipedia articles for this view), then not all of Palestine is "under military occupation". The part of Palestine which is Israel is (a) sovereign territory and (b) issues passports to both its Jewish and Arab citizens (see Israeli Arabs).

Or, by "Palestine" did the contributor mean "the Palestinian territories", i.e., West Bank and Gaza? It would be clearer - especially if we are trying to explain a general concept - to use unambiguous terms.

==>Are Palestinian Arabs of Gaza or West Bank are stateless? Do they have no passports? Are they thus unable to travel legally in foreign countries?

===>Palestine The author probably intended Palestinian territories, which remain under occupation. Otherwise, he's a Palestinian nationalist, implying that the State of Israel is/should be a part of a Palestinian state. There are Palestinian Arabs who have Israeli citizenship; most of them live in the internationally-understood borders of Israel. There are Palestinian passports, but many states will not accept them, or will only allow people short stays with them. Most employed Palestinian males work in Jordan, as I understand it. -Justin (koavf), talk 14:32, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

==> The author (myself) did mean the occupied Palestinian territories. Since these are in fact occupied territories and not a state, there is no passport-issuing authority, and thus people born in these territories are indeed stateless. Since they are not able to travel to foreign countries, nor in many cases are they able to live where they were born, the Palestinians are, in my view, the definitive case of statelessness in the contemporary world. I am thus returning them to the text. I am not including a claim that the Palestinians are arguably the largest permanently stateless population in the world today.

I consider it extremely important to mention the Palestinians in this text, and also find it surprising that they should be singled out for removal from such a long list of more questionable cases (e.g., the FARC-ruled areas of Colombia effectively no longer exist.}

 * Palestians (West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem or Israel resident) live in various forms of near or total statelessness. eg Israel issues West Bankers travel documents that are acceptable to other countries, but Israel may (and increasingly does) refuse them re-entry, or allows them back for increasingle short periods eg. recent Scotsman newspaper (8 Sep 2006). People living in Gaza are pretty nearly completely imprisoned in a space where Israel has long smashed all forms of organisation or security [], with both Israel and Egypt closing the crossings, the airport bombed and the coast blockaded. (Need me source that information?).
 * This report: Living death is just a very recent (19 Sept 06) account from an Israeli newspaper of what is happening to Jerusalem born and bred Palestinians. And has been going on for a long time eg in 1997 (after 20 years of occupation, but with no intafada going on) Ethnic Cleansing in Jerusalem, Israeli Style - By former Congressman Paul Findley (R-IL)
 * Palestinians are almost certainly the worst affected stateless people in the world (though perhaps not the biggest group?) PalestineRemembered 13:31, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

 * As per this discussion, I wish to revert the edit of Amoruso on 15:52, 28 September 2006 which removed the 'cut from article' section above. He made two comments (it was reverted once within a few hours) that I will repeat here.

 * (remove uncited. these people are either palestinian citizens/jordanisn citizens and so on.)
 * (it's pov (occupation), uncited and not true. they have jordanian passports etc.)

 * It is a hot topic, that is sure, yet we should strive for a comprehensive as well as accurate account. Being controversial is no reason to exclude it from the article especially after the efforts on this discussion page to state it with a neutral perspective and to cite the claim. In this regard, I believe Amoruso was wrong to remove it. It is true, it is a neutral statement and PalestineRemembered has shown citations. Nazlfrag (talk) 17:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Modern statelessness?
What about people who have renounced citizenship? --NEMT 02:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Usually you can only renouce if you have another citizenship to go on to. Spartaz 22:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * What does "usually" mean? I gave two (somewhat iffy) refs above for the propositions that US citizens can renounce their citizenship in front of a consular official abroad. Guide to the Draft appeared to say that you could become stateless in this way. --Trovatore 22:30, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There is a UN convention about avoiding statelessness and am American lawyer friend of mine who specialises in Immigration told me that US consular officers would probably refuse to accept the application in the first place. Also, avoiding the draft is how old exactly? Can it still be considered a reliable source for this kind of thing? Anyway, there is a whole world outside the US and if its only the US that allows you to become stateless than I think usually is a good definition of the facts.Spartaz 04:43, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

see http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html
 * The US is not a signer of the convention, and no the consular officer cannot refuse the application. Three people in recent years renounced their USA citizenship to become stateless: Mike Gogulski in 2008 while in Slovakia, Glen Roberts in 2013 while in Paraguay, and Jason Minard in 2014 while in Uruguay. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statelessness)  All 3 have show their certificates of loss of nationality.
 * I quote -
 * In the recent case of Colon v. U.S. Department of State, 2 F.Supp.2d 43 (1998), plaintiff was a United States citizen and resident of Puerto Rico, who executed an oath of renunciation before a consular officer at the U.S. Embassy in Santo Domingo. The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia rejected Colon’s petition for a writ of mandamus directing the Secretary of State to approve a Certificate of Loss of Nationality in the case because the plaintiff wanted to retain one of the primary benefits of U.S. citizenship while claiming he was not a U.S. citizen. The Court described the plaintiff as a person, "claiming to renounce all rights and privileges of United States citizenship, [while] Plaintiff wants to continue to exercise one of the fundamental rights of citizenship, namely to travel freely throughout the world and when he wants to, return and reside in the United States." See also Jose Fufi Santori v. United States of America , 1994 U.S. App. LEXIS 16299 (1994) for a similar case.

 * This clearly shows that whatever the law US consular officuals are veyr reluctant to accept a renounciation even if the law may allow it. Spartaz 04:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This clearly shows that the applicant did not separate himself from the rights of being a US citizen, which is part of what the law requires.

Well, it also says on the same page:
 * Persons intending to renounce U.S. citizenship should be aware that, unless they already possess a foreign nationality, they may be rendered stateless and, thus, lack the protection of any government.

So it does appear that there's a reference for at least the possibility of voluntary acquisition of stateless status, at least for US citizens, of which there are quite a few, notwithstanding the existence of a world outside the US. --Trovatore 05:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not sure what point you are making. Usually means in most cases. That appears to be the point I was making here. Spartaz 05:24, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing you're comparing it only with the UK (or at least the Commonwealth). Do you know something about the practices of some third country? --Trovatore 05:29, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. Spartaz 07:48, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This discussion manages to gloss over the really serious effects of becoming a stateless person, and becoming, for instance, subject to crime (up to and including murder) without any recourse. I'm not sure what situation Einstein got himself into, but he cannot possibly have been suffering the real consequences of this condition. PalestineRemembered 20:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Did I manage to become stupid overnight? Probably. Would you mind explaining that last bit to me again? Why does being stateless make you more subject to crime than a person with a citizenship? Right now, the only largish group of stateless people are those from Somalia and I have seen no evidence that they are more likely to be victims of crime than others? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by  Spartaz  (talk • contribs) 21:40, 24 October 2006  (UTC)
 * This comment is ridiculous, I am stateless in Uruguay (renounced USA) and if a crime is committed, the Montevideo police help as they do with everyone. If I need medical attention, public healthcare will take care of me, or my extended insurance will.  If I need help moving my home, my friends will carry my boxes.  The UN conventions indicate the countries treat you as a resident, and in most cases you explicitly are protected from mistreatment by law.  I think those that are guessing about what it is like to be stateless maybe should ask those that are any questions that you have. (-- Jason Minard)

 * Yeah, there are a couple of problems with PalestineRemembered's comments. First of all, no one really has any recourse if he's murdered :-). In any case the thing is clearly very context-dependent. I don't think there's any Western country where it's legal to murder a person just because he's not a citizen. It might be true in some abstract sense that the state doesn't owe a duty to such a person to punish his murder, but that doesn't mean they won't. --Trovatore 21:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * C'mon guys, pull yourselves together. All this talk of "people voluntarily renouncing citizenship" (as Einstein may have done while living and working in Switzerland?) is ignoring the really serious problems caused to considerable numbers of people in this situation (as the world recognised in 1954, perhaps because of German-speaking non-Germans and other DPs from WWII?). Most of the people affected are from third world countries, and are still in the third world. Only a very lucky few are here and being treated relatively fairly. Even penniless refugees living in someone else's land under canvas are not as badly off as people with no homes or communities ever to return to.
 * PalestineRemembered 17:45, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I just checked and I appear to be pulled together.:) I think you are confusing displaced persons with stateless persons. Practially there may not be much difference in terms of access to travel documents but this is a function of poverty and circumstances rather then lacking a citizenship. Legally Somalis are stateless because they have no access to travel documents from their own government because no government exists. People in Azad Kasmir have Pakistani passports. I have certainly seen Indians from Kashmir though, no doubt, there are those who do not have access to travel documentation. Palestinians now have a recognised authority to issue them Travel documents. The reason they are living in such brutal conditions is because of their cicrcumstances and the behaviour of the IDF rather then their not being able to access a valid travel document.  Why not add a line making the point and linking to an appropriate article that discusses the issues - but this is a economic and political problem not one caused by people being stateless. I do agree that the article is a little westerncentric. Spartaz 17:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Stateless Tamils
Removed from article: Over 800,000 stateless Tamils may have gained citizenship of Sri Lanka in 2001, having been deprived of it since independence in 1948. They were descended from Indian workers brought 200 years ago to pick tea.

This doesn't fit with the rest of the paragraph and if it is to go in we need to find a better to fit it in. Out of curiousity what is the provenence of this statement? I spent a good chunk of 1996 to 2001 interviewing Tamil asylum seekers and I can't ever recall one claiming to be stateless. --Spartaz 16:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I picked it up from the Washington Post article I referenced, where it says: "The stateless tea workers are descendants of Tamil laborers who were brought to the island, then known as Ceylon, in the 1700s by British planters who complained that Sinhalese wouldn't work as cheaply or as obediently. After Britain granted independence in 1948, the plantation workers were denied citizenship in both Sri Lanka and India".
 * Later it says they were granted citizenship in 2001 .... but I'll certainly bow to your better information!
 * PalestineRemembered 17:25, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I simply can't see how this could be true anyway. No-one was left stateless as Britain pulled out of the Empire. If you were not a citizen of the new independant state than you became a British Overseas Citizen. There are not loads of BOCs in Sri Lanka. I can't ever remember meeting a Tamil BOC. --Spartaz 17:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you're right. I'm offended by this article suggesting that statelessness is not really a great problem. Unfortunately, I don't really know enough to detail it properly. Could you do anything?
 * PalestineRemembered 19:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Probably not. Sorry. I can only really relate to the subject as an intellectual exercise. I'm not stateless and am never likely to be. Spartaz 19:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * PR, as Spartaz said, I think you're conflating statelessness in the strict sense with other things that tend to accompany it. There are a lot of stateless people who are suffering, but it's not clear they're suffering because they're stateless, and without evidence of that, giving this as an example of "the problem of statelessness" seems like pro-state propaganda. --Trovatore 19:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think there's a stage at which something becomes a "Well Known Fact" ..... the world knows of the really serious problems created by this condition, that's why there was a 1954 convention raised to try and deal with it (not entirely successfully). I never thought I'd come across people playing it down!
 * PalestineRemembered 12:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Canadian citizenship law and statelessness
Please note that the Canadian law alluded to in the text about having to establish Canadian residency by age 28 — section 8 of the current Citizenship Act — deals specifically with people who were born outside Canada to a Canadian parent who was, in turn, also born outside Canada to a Canadian parent — in other words, second-generation citizens by descent (though please note that the term "citizen by descent" is not actually used in Canadian citizenship law). The law in question has nothing in particular to do with dual citizenship (except insofar as the affected individuals are probably likely to have dual citizenship). Richwales 07:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Brunei
Should all this talk about Brunei really be in this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.35.80.224 (talk) 16:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

 * It should be shortened considerably, yet still it deserves a mention. It appears to have NPOV, weasel word and potential OR problems. The last paragraph in particular has unsubstantiated speculation, is riddled with 'many' weasel words and I don't know what PR stands for. I hope someone knowledgeable can clean it up. Nazlfrag (talk) 16:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Osama bin Laden
Didn't he lose his Saudi citizenship? If so, wouldn't that make him a stateless person? Josh (talk) 08:05, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Recent statelessness individuals
Mikhail Sebastian, a 39 year old male is a stateless person who has been living in the United States of America for 16 years as a responsible tax payer with no criminal background. He came to the United States in 1995 as a citizen of ex-Soviet Union, a country that ceased to exist and along with it, his citizenship. At that time he was 22 and tried to file for political asylum in Houston, TX. Since he was not able to afford lawyers, he defended his own case in front of an immigration judge, not knowing any of the vast laws and nuances of US immigration procedure. His case was denied, Mikhail was told he would be deported. This was an issue for Mikhail, and the United States, because Mikhail is one of the estimated 4,000 people living in the U.S. whom is considered “stateless”, or having no legal rights to any country or place to live. Difficulty often originates in that states are often reluctant to acknowledge the presence of stateless people on their territories. More often, they are counted as undifferentiated "aliens", if their presence is recognized at all. Mikhail has no rights afforded to him as a citizen. But, where do you send a man who has no home?

Mikhail was born in Baku, Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic to Armenian Christian-Orthodox parents, and Azerbaijan does not recognize him as their citizen. During the war between Azerbaijan and Armenia his family had to flee for safety after his aunt was killed by local people in Baku, by being stoned to death. War was escalating in the area was escalating rapidly. He lived briefly in Moscow but Russian authorities did not provide him with residency or permission to live permanently. Finally, his parents moved to Turkmen S.S.R. in order to save their family from persecution. Since the collapse of U.S.S.R., Turkmenistan, predominantly with a Muslim population, had become a dictatorship regime. Russian language was eliminated, the non-Turkmen population was persecuted, and those who went against the dictatorship regime were jailed. As a student Turkmens bullied him because of his nationality, religious beliefs, refusal to learn the local language, his opposition against the dictatorship regime, and his sexual orientation as gay. Any act of homosexuality was punishable by law with up to five years in jail. The family did not adjust well or fit in.

He was able to finally obtain a U.S. visa and flee persecution of his beliefs and sexual orientation, coming to the U.S. for freedom and asylum. As previously stated, Mikhail could not afford a costly trial lawyer at the time of his case and was ordered deported. However, He could not leave the U.S. to travel anywhere else as similarly no other country offered permission or asylum.

In 2010 he contacted United Nations trying to get some sort of passport for stateless people and he was referred to World Service Authority, a non-profit organization based in Washington, D.C. who were are an authority regarding the issuance of World Passports to stateless people and refugees.

On December 29, 2011, Mikhail decided to travel to the U.S. territory of American-Samoa, which is overseen by the Department of Interior. Mikhail was informed by the Los Angeles Immigration Department that he could travel to that territory only if he could obtain travel permission from the Attorney General of American Samoa, since it was territory, not a state. Mikhail obtained that permission.

Hawaiian Airlines checked his documents in LA and in Honolulu and he was told that everything was in order for his departure and return to the United States proper. On his way back, on January 02, 2012, Mikhail was denied boarding by a station manager of Hawaiian Airlines, Judith McCoy, who told him that the Honolulu airport Immigration Office did not authorize his return as he did not have permission to return to the United States. Mikhail procured his official documentation from I.C.E. stating his status in US as stateless. The airport immigration office informed Mikhail that because he left the U.S. voluntarily, he voluntarily deported himself from the U.S.

Mikhail came to the United States to avoid persecution, war and discrimination. For him, the U.S. is the land of opportunity, and values that some take for granted are quite tangible to Mikhail, having come from a hard background into but the land freedom, protection, safety, values and ideals. Mikhail is a hard working person of positivity and good moral standing. Mikhail has been torn away from the life he has carved for himself over sixteen years as a law abiding, tax paying citizen in the U.S., and has no other place to go.

United States is the only home and country he knows. He has contributed a lot to the community in Houston, TX where he lived before moving to Los Angeles, CA, his current home. Mikhail studied English and Literature at the Turkmen University, stopping after 2 years of study to flee the dictatorship regime. In the United States he continued his education, studying Spanish at Houston Community College, earning a has travel management diploma from Ashworth College in GA, a diploma in interior design from San Francisco Interior Design Institute, and he is working on his MBA in Business Administration from Ashworth University, GA. Two years ago he discovered his passion for the culinary world of specialty coffee, a rapid growth sector, and he has become a certified barista at Specialty Coffee House in Hollywood, CA. He frequents events held by the Specialty Coffee Association of America, is certified as a specialty barista by the International Academy for Specialty Coffee, and holds a Level 1 Barista Certification from the same.

The UNHCR mandate is a refugee act designed to prevent and reduce statelessness, and to protect stateless people. If civil society has an interest in elevating the issue of statelessness, the government should have a solemn obligation to do the same. All who are citizens of the United States know that citizenship is a critical part of our daily life and a source of pride. However, for Mikhail as stateless individual, these aspects are a constant challenge, and a statue he strives to reach to find a shared sense of dignity. Without the rights to have rights, he is the most vulnerable person in the world. He has lived with us for sixteen years in the U.S., the only place he considers as his home and his country. He does not have any other place to go. Los Angeles is his home, his life, his job and his carrier.

Everyone that puts in their fair share, works hard, is honest and plays the game the way we’ve all agreed it should be played should have the ability to belong, to consider themselves part of a larger community of America.

Mikhail truly did not know he could not travel outside the U.S. to another part of the U.S. that is considered a territory, and he did not know that his World Passport that was issued according to the rules and regulations of the U.N. Declaration for Human Rights would cause all this trouble.

According to Due Process Clause any person, lawful or illegal or conditional resident, including stateless people and those on order of supervision, are granted the same fundamental, undeniable constitutional rights granted to all Americans. The Due Process and equal protection clauses embodied in US Constitution and Bill of Rights apply to every "person", and are not limited to US citizens.

Most people take passport for granted, except those who have ever been without one. They know how confining it is to be without the right paperwork. They know what it's like to take the first step into the ghastly limbo of statelessness. These people live in the fear of being rounded up and deported, often to countries they don't know, or simply to be confined for unknown duration, for having committed no unlawful act. The life of stateless person is one of degradation, and exposure to fear.

Stateless people in our country should be protected, they are not criminals, and should not be treated as such. In order to do so we have to petition the U.S. authorities to join, sign and ratify 1954 UN Convention, relating to the Status of Stateless Persons, and 1961 UN Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness.

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Nuts2U
And another one from the sonicultra universe. --fvw *  00:26, 2004 Dec 15 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable, not interesting, not well written, generally not. --Tagishsimon (talk)
 * Delete. Should be speedied, but it looks like that's not gonna happen. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 02:29, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Alphax (talk) 04:16, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. utcursch 08:24, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable, but not a speedy candidate. [[User:David_Johnson|David Johnson [ T|C ] ]] 17:17, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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Talk:Z-relation

imperceptible" is better than "imperceivable"
Why? Did I construct a fake word? Hyacinth 00:27, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Just a drive-by comment on history
Z-relations were first formally defined in print (I believe) by David Lewin in JMT in 1959... perhaps early 1960. Of course, he did not use that term. The idea of Z-relation was considered much earlier, however... I believe first by Bacon in 1917. Many of the ideas of set theory in music predate their supposed origin in the 1950s and 60s -- between Schoenberg and Forte we had Ziehn, Bacon, Hauer, Haba, Schillinger, Slonimsky, Perle, etc., each of them working on ideas of collections of pitches in different ways. I've seen the bias to move back to Hanson in some of the Wiki articles... but Hanson's book was/is little known (as opposed to Perle and later Forte), and many of the ideas in that book were around earlier (even if the authors are forgotten today).

Misleading Statement
"Similarly the more familiar major triad {0,4,7} and minor triad {0,3,7} have the same interval vector (<0,0,1,1,1,0>)." This statement is true, but the two sets are not in a Z-relation. Rather, they are inversionally related and therefore reduce to the same [037] prime form. No Z-relations hold for sets of cardinality three. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.93.182.178 (talk • contribs).

 * You're correct--they're not Z-related. Shall we take it out?  It was recently added.  Thanks for noticing.  Antandrus  (talk) 05:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

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Phoenix Evans
Delete for vanity. AtonX 00:28, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Cover for album To the Hilt by Golden Earring.

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To the Hilt (album)

To the Hilt is an album by Dutch rock band Golden Earring, released in 1976.

Track listing
All songs written by Hay and Kooymans except where noted.

 * 1) "Why Me?" (John Fenton, Hay, Kooymans) – 7:13
 * 2) "Facedancer" – 4:09
 * 3) "To the Hilt" – 3:07
 * 4) "Nomad" – 7:06
 * 5) "Sleepwalkin'" – 5:00
 * 6) "Latin Lightning" – 7:15
 * 7) "Violins" – 10:21

Personnel

 * George Kooymans - guitar, vocals
 * Rinus Gerritsen - bass, keyboards
 * Barry Hay - flute, vocals
 * Cesar Zuiderwijk - drums
 * Robert Jan Stips - keyboard

 * Additional personnel
 * Chris Mercer - saxophone, tenor saxophone
 * Eelco Gelling - guitar
 * Bertus Borgers - saxophone

Production

 * Producer: Golden Earring
 * Executive producer: Fred Haayen
 * Engineer: John Kriek
 * Assistant engineer: Robert Ash
 * String arrangements: Robert Jan Stips
 * Concept: George Hardie
 * Photography: Richard Manning

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According to the official website of Golden Earrring, To The Hilt was released in 1976, not 1975. (http://www.golden-earring.nl/)

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